The WAN Show - Why Is Roblox Shielding Child Predators? - WAN Show August 15, 2025

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What's up, everybody, and welcome to the WAN show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys this week. Roblox sent a cease and desist letter to a YouTuber for hunting child predators on their platform. Wow, that is a little awkward. Also, PayPal is not Steam's buddy friend. so the whole thing where payment processors are

allegedly dictating to gaming platforms what type of content they're allowed to sell has escalated what else we got going on this week YouTube has started to roll out a age verification AI model

because the future is fun and that won't be easy to work around at all can you pick something that's good news let me see I mean I know I didn't That's why it's your job That's a bad one That one's overall kind of negative

That literally says massive step backwards In the title I don't care about that at all I don't know if anyone does This sucks That's a bad thing That's not a good thing You have to pick one

Yeah YouTuber makes real-life aimbought That controls his body He was actually a super cool video. I watched it. Hey, let's go. The show is brought to you today by Squarespace, delete me, and AMD, along with, of course, along with, of course, our Wrapped Partner Dbrand, our last. Pop-top partner Dell and our chair partner Secret Lab.

All right, let's jump right into the headline topic, and this one's going to take a minute. Elijah saw that this was about games for kids, and he took this assignment very seriously, creating an extremely long doc so that we could go through and talk about YouTuber Schlep, who has been both. sent a cease and desist letter from Roblox and banned from the game related to some of his videos about Roblox.

Schleps's channel, which has almost 800,000 subscribers, has been focused around catching child predators on the platform, a problem that has been rampant for years. He has achieved this by making new accounts, waiting for people to engage, and then just following along, never taking the leap since, in most cases, that would be deemed as entrapment. Schlep has been successful in working with local police and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children to get more than half a dozen people arrested and charged for some form of crimes against children. Shlep has tried to work directly with Roblox on this issue in the past, including sending hundreds of chat logs and video evidence to them about certain accounts,

and none have even been successful at getting the individuals banned, never mind charged, which is why Schlepp has been turning to other methods for help. He has even tweeted directly at the Roblox CEO several times, and, well, I mean, is it proof that the CEO saw his tweet if his account was blocked? I actually don't necessarily think so, but I think it's likely. it doesn't look good no it's not a good look at some companies like this I wouldn't be super surprised if the CEO wasn't the only person

running the CEO's Twitter account the reason for Roblox's actions according to the letter that was sent to Schlep are as follows that he failed to report suspicious activity to Roblox through proper channels which can critically expose Roblox's users to increased risk um no

okay okay Let's go with Maybe reason number two Maybe reason number two will be better Okay That Schlep is engaging in Simulated Child Endangerment Conversations Are they simute

Technically Technically Because he's not a child So that's like technically true But is it relevant? No Okay, cool I don't think

think so. I mean, look, we're not... It's allegedly not relevant. Hold on, I need to come sit on your side for a second here. Oh, uh, oh, oh, oh, I see. We're not legal experts. If we both press it, it goes faster. We're not legal experts, so, you know, this is all, this is all from the common sense school of not being a dip shit.

So, um, let's go with, let's go with reason number three. Yes. that Schlepp is directing users to move conversations off platform. Wait, which comes from these predators often requesting to have conversations on other platforms like Discord. Yeah, because up above it said that he follows their lead. So if he was doing this, I think that would actually potentially be a bad thing. But based on what we previously read and based on the attached note to this, it sounds like he's just jumping with them off platform when asked to go off platform,

which I don't think is a bad thing. Does it, okay, here's a question for you. Does it matter? Who instigates? Who says we should move off platform? I think so. It does. I think so.

Okay, why? If you are eBay and there's an eBay seller, And the eBay seller goes, hey, man, message me. Don't buy this. Message me. I'll get you a better price. Who are you mad at? Well, hold on a second.

You're mad at the seller, right? Let me give you a different example. Yeah, okay. Okay. So I'm eBay. Okay. And there's a seller who is selling child materials. Okay.

And either the buyer or the seller. says they want to move a conversation off platform. Who fucking cares? Who decided to move the conversation off platform? I should probably deactivate the account. Yeah. So that's my counter argument. But which account?

Both. Yeah. Well, okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. No. No, the person with the materials. So your whole way... In your situation, there's a buyer of said material, so please ban them both. But that's not really the scenario that we're talking about. see what you mean. I see what you mean.

So basically, okay, so this is the first one that I think we could maybe agree there is a shred of merit to, because you could make the argument that Shalep is, is offering what these people want and claiming and trying to move them off platform. If that actually happened, which Shlet claims it didn't. Twice in this document, it says that he didn't. This is all we know right now. so it depends it depends on the it depends on the scenario if he's trying to move people off platform then sure but if he's being asked to move off platform then i don't think that's his problem i don't

think that's his problem at all no okay number four that schlep is sharing or soliciting personally identifiable information is he doxing these people and or is sharing or soliciting well soliciting would already be just what yeah what does that mean it just means asking for oh so by asking these people for any kind of personally identifiable information, and I could see that being against TOS, and I could see Roblox having something to stand on here. Sure. However...

Kind of... Again... One grain of sand on the beach. ASL? Oh, my. There's a throwback. Yeah, it's been a minute. There's a throwback. It's funny, because I didn't really think much of it at the time, but I

definitely had adults say that to me. when I was definitely a minor. Oh, yeah. That was like, sorry, but someone in chats it, 14 F. Cali. And that's just like, that was indeed the joke back then. Also, you're a liar.

Yeah, we know our demographics. 28M. Callie. An optimistic 28. Whenever... Is that our Democrat? Is it higher than 28 now? No, not necessarily. Yeah, I didn't think so.

18 to 45. I actually think if you looked at like the most common one, it's probably about... It's 25 to 35. Yeah. Okay, yeah. If I recall correctly. So 28M. Cali is probably actually like a... Probably pretty...

Yeah, if you had to pick one. It's not too bad. Yvonne and I have kind of like a little like a thing. so whenever like whenever a woman starts approaching like they're gonna

like they're gonna talk to me I'll like I'll like give her I'll give her a little look Yvonne I mean I'll give Yvonne a little look stop you knew what I meant

no I knew already the clarification was funny because I realized that other people might think the other way so I'll give Yvonne a little look and it's like a wait for it wait for it look

so she walked walks up. Hi! My boyfriend is such a big fan! Or, or, here's the other one. Hey, my boyfriend was way too shy to come talk to you. Can you take a picture with him?

Those are the two most common things. And you can substitute boyfriend with husband or son. When it's not that, it's fun, because it's like you, you found a, uh... Like a rare, a rare, a rare pole. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. it's like oh sick there's like one of our really small female audience you are the one percent yeah heck yeah always fun like what they do exist let's go yeah yeah we did it yeah it's it's it's a good one it's a good one anyway anyway let's let's carry on um in schlep's video

he explains why he engages in this kind of vigilante justice which i don't even I don't even know if I'd consider it to be fully vigilante if you are involving law enforcement. Like, it's, it's certainly vigilante if you try to apprehend the person, you know, you... That's an interesting, yeah, I don't know. If you try to punish them, like, if you try to play, you know, the role of judge jury executioner, your judge dread. But I don't know that I would necessarily... I don't know if I would necessarily agree. yeah because so vigilante's definition is a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate and they're taking a portion of it yeah but they're not actually enforcing the law yeah they're finding the person and then handing the information to enforce the law over to the cops I don't know where the line on that ends up with like what they are

Like, does, does that mean they're a vigilante, even though they're not enforcing the law? Because I have seen situations where these people detain people for these types of things. Yeah. And that's enforcing the law to a certain degree. Okay, but we need to have a bit of a side conversation here because apparently it's vigilante, not vigilante. Yep. All right. What did I say? You said vigilante.

Yeah. Yeah. Apparently, I said it wrong. I did another, I did another Linus. Oh, where I just assume, I assume based on the spelling of this word, that it has kind of a French origin. So whack, dude.

Yeah, that may be true. The term, oh, it actually has Spanish origins, not French. So I don't, I don't know a lick of Spanish, so I have no idea how that, yeah, yeah, exactly. One, uno, Unos Taco.

That's as far as I could get. Uno dos trace, 4, 5o. Del Mayo? And I only know that because the sublime song. So, yeah, I made the assumption based on the spelling that it had a French origin,

which I was wrong about. And then if it had a French origin, my pronunciation wouldn't have been outlandish. I will keep that in mind You guys have successfully Vigilante justiced me And enforced the law of English Someone in Fulpin chat, Kuro

said That is like saying Calling in a tip is vigilanteism And I don't think that is the equivalent No, it's not at all Because you are actively engaging With the individual So I mean I think it's more akin to

seeing someone behaving suspiciously and then like like following them in your car while you're like on the phone with the police with their hands free because it's 2025 and and like you know trying to like help them round them up like or even going as far as like kind of steering them in one direction versus another direction I remember one time literally driving home cops will tell you not to do generally speaking from my understanding exactly So I was driving home from here one time, and there was an obviously drunk driver who, if I remember correctly, they even like bumped a median at some point, stuff like they were very obviously drunk. This was not distracted driving. This was impaired driving.

And I called it in and I was giving them updates on like where they were. And they were like, this is a weird traffic pattern. Are you following them? And then my brain was like calculating. And I was like, no. I am going home. and uh i'm afraid to pass them yeah something something and the the person on the phone was like hmm okay and then i was like yeah i suspect i won't be able to keep uh giving you tabs on that

because like i'm gonna not be able to see them for long and they were like okay and then i kept following them or uh going home for like i think a minute or two and then was like this is going get bad so I just bailed. But I bet you they were never caught because I had to bail because I was, it was very clear I was going to get in trouble. I'm a little surprised at how... For not following

them. I'm a little surprised at how little we've seen law enforcement use just like cheap consumer drones for stuff like this. Like in cases where you know, there's a really egregious speeding offense or where

a high profile suspect is fleeing. Like, they'll pull out a helicopter to, like, chase them. And it's like, okay, but like, what if there was a middle, what if there was somewhere in between car and helicopter? And to be clear, I know it is a thing. I just mean, I'm surprised I don't do it more. No, I don't remember where. I thought it was in the UK, but I'm not sure where it is.

They have, like, a drone unit. And they have, like, a tower somewhere in the city where they launch the drones from. And it's, like, a whole thing. But I don't remember where. Oh, interesting. I don't remember where it is. I watched, like, a little mini dock on it. Lobsta says the range on them is just not that great

but like I mean yeah it doesn't have to be that great like they're so low cost if you just had like a little landing pad on like every police station yeah like I just I'm to be to be clear I'm not I'm not saying compared to literally sending out a helicopter one time

Beto 588 says they do it lots in California apparently yeah and I was I don't know if This is the one I was talking about, but I was right. Apparently the UK does have like a drone unit. Yeah, and Kill Ninja says they do drones when the perp is on foot. So it might be like a speed issue then? Interesting. Yeah, okay.

Florida's rolling them out as well as some other places. There you go. At Zeem says helicopter maintenance is expensive. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Exactly. You send out the helicopter one time and you could have bought a bunch of drones yeah to be honest

all right anyway back to back to the topic anyway in schleps video he explains why he does this it starts because he cares about Roblox since it was not only his favorite game growing up but also because he met his current girlfriend through the platform so it has kind of a special place in his heart but and this is where things get a little bit more kind of real

it's also because when he was playing when he was younger he was a victim of some of these predators. So he feels it's right to make sure that no child goes through the same thing. Schlep is now banned from ever accessing Roblox again, even on his family-friendly channel where he just casually plays the game. If you are interested in learning more and doing some research for yourself, he has a website, Shlep.tv, where you can support his content over there as he continues on this journey. here's some extra

Roblox stats according to the demand sage.com 380 million monthly active users 85.3 million daily active users now I do suspect

that's a little juiced I was looking at I heard some stats it's like more than half juiced my son's computer like his monitor wasn't off when he was away at camp for a week

and I was like why isn't his monitor turning off So I went to go, like, Power CFG, like, what's keeping it away? And I was like, oh, there is a dragged down, like, idle game in the bottom corner. So, like, I mean, if there's a lot of that going on. I wish there certainly is. Which there certainly is, then this may not be quite neat. It's also, like, as far as I know, like, super bodded.

I mean, everything is these days, but, like. But there's an estimated 32 and a half million. of those 85 million daily active users that are supposed to be apparently under the age of 13. Wow. So our discussion question then is

Chris Hansen wildly increased the popularity of vigilanteism against child predators and for many years now we've seen people on all sorts of platforms like Twitch, kick, Roblox, YouTube, etc., attempt to do the same thing. Here's a question though. Is Chris Hansen

a vigilante? because he, the cops would arrest the person. As far as my understanding goes, Chris Hansen never touched anybody. Yeah. He just talked to them. Yeah, no, I would say no. I don't know like what the legal line is.

But what he sure as heck isn't is a law enforcement officer. Totally. But he didn't enforce the law either. I certainly see, I certainly see why people would draw a parallel. So I can say that much. He, like, detected, he found. he didn't enforce

but then I would did it in direct association with law enforcement rather than doing it and then turning over data but then is that just are we basically saying hey law enforcement needs to kind of get it together and work with people on this then

like if if people are willing to do it for free and all they have to do is kind of have a department that is like overseeing Hey, yeah, sure. But then they might be responsible for what some of these people do. And some of them are, like, deeply not okay. Oh, yeah. Okay.

I wasn't finished my discussion question, though. Okay. The discussion question is a spicy one. Are you in support of vigilanteism? Or do you agree with the stance of Roblox and others that doing this often leads to no actual charges? because of doing this. Like, because you're not necessarily, like, doing it properly, it can make it difficult to charge these people.

Hold on. Hasn't he been successful by... He has. Has been successful in working with local police. So that's just not true. He has been, but that's... But to be clear, we're talking more broadly. More broadly speaking, a lot of the times this kind of vigilanteism

can create problems with the legal case. that can allow these people to walk free. I think one big problem with this question in general is that it's such a... Any group that you can freely join or enter without anyone's input at all is a problem. Yeah. Always.

Because any bad actor can join and do things under the banner at any time. And especially a thing like this where the banner is, hey, we are trying to do a objectively universal good, which is stopping children from being preyed upon. Yep. That banner is a pretty neato banner for someone with bad intentions to go, oh, oh, I was doing good things.

So like it's dangerous. It's hard to say universally, yes, this is okay. People should do it. I think it would be really great if there was programs where you could work with the cops and they were overseeing what you were doing and they had to be able to like be able to have access to all of your chat logs and everything and like all that kind of stuff and make sure that it was all above board because I think things could go bad quick and you should be like if you do bad things while doing that you should get in trouble just like anyone else would um yeah

yeah man this is uh this is tough because there as far as my understanding goes there have been innocent people caught and lives ruined over, you know, whatever assumptions. I don't know how much that's people hiding behind that. Yeah, it's hard to say. Because their case got thrown out of court because something happened incorrectly. And then they said, oh, it got thrown out of court. That means I'm innocent. But do process, as inconvenient as it might be, does exist for a reason.

It is very important. Yeah. So that's why I, I, when I hear this thing, of like he's not actually doing any of the enforcement he's just gathering chat logs and handing over to the police and it has been successful to me that's like huge W

that's fantastic Jamie Cullen says had a neighbor get questioned live on Facebook by a predator hunter group false accusations ruined him and hopefully your neighbor actually wasn't involved in any of that stuff and you know I don't I don't know I wasn't there I didn't

see any of it but if that's the case that's horrible that is a that is a completely unacceptable collateral damage outcome like you can't you can't blow up hospitals

because a couple of bad guys might be in there well it's true yeah yeah I agree so like it's uh that's where it gets not everyone agrees yeah I think that's a

closest we're going to get to that topic literally ever. Yeah, but I mean, that's, um, it's, it does make it tough. I think it would be good if there are routes. Um, because like, neighborhood watches are a sanctioned thing, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's true. Like, there are, there are versions of this. Yeah, so why don't we just do it? What's the neighborhood watch equivalent of that? I don't know. I don't know either. Because that's totally a thing.

And like there's things as the neighborhood watch that you can't do. Because like I, you could make the argument that because the neighborhood watch, you're, you're in your home, right? So it's, there's, there's a certain sort of like, like, property. You're not just in your home. They do patrols and stuff. They do patrols? Some of them do patrols. They'll walk through alleys and stuff.

Sorry, I don't, I don't necessarily mean your personal property. Like, I mean, you are, you're, you're on your turf. Like, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's almost like a stand your ground. I understand. I understand. home defense element of it but like why wouldn't that necessarily extend to my online domain

and I don't mean a literal domain like dot com I mean like like my online I don't know I don't know how to describe it other than my my turf my my zone my my chill hangouts you know

yeah to add to this Binky Draws said and I love this story well that's not a good story but it's a very interesting one and I reference it all the time. Reddit has a famous story where they went after a kid they thought to the Boston bombings, but it turns out the kid committed suicide unrelated to the event, and Reddit started going after their family.

That's the whole we did at Reddit reference. Yeah, I know. Like, yeah, that was brutal. There are clear and obvious downsides to just like deciding that somebody did something without going through any form of like real proper process and then social justicing the heck out of them when, they possibly didn't do it. Like, it's, it's rough.

That being said, I like the idea, if they're going to work with law enforcement and they're going to try to do it as properly as you can, no system's ever going to be perfect. But if they genuinely try to do it as properly as they can, from what I've read, it sounds like Schlepp is doing that.

I think that's cool. So I'm not going to say a blanket, like vigilante justice is good. So you don't stand with Spider-Man? I see, but I would. So that's tough there. Yeah. But not all these people are Spider-Man, which is the problem.

Some of these people are terrible people going, oh, there's a banner that makes everyone think I'm good and then acting terribly. That is absolutely a thing that's happening. So it's a touchy ground. I think a sanctioned group would be cool. Having like, they should even go. You know the old like neighborhood watch signage that like looked kind of cool? Yeah. They should do that and make it like...

The guy with the hat or whatever, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They should do that and make it like... Or similar to that and make it like internet watch. Herod watch sign. Hold on. Okay, apparently there's a movie called that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The guy that looked like a Canadian. Yeah. Hey, buddy. That's his jacket. Get out of here, guy. But I do agree. Yeah, with a new friend. Yeah, that.

I'm going to do crime. But yeah, that logo was sick. Do, like, something kind of similar to that, but make them, like, add a computer or something. And make it internet watch. I think that'd be dope. Because, yeah, like, screw this stuff, man. It's not good.

All right. Why don't we move on to our next topic? Dan? Are you not tracking time today? You are perfectly on time. No. One minute, 26 seconds. That's incredible.

So this is, I adjusted some of the time. Perfect. Okay. Perfect job, sir. Aw, thank you. Speaking of not being your buddy, friend. Oh, where are we going? Yeah, the first word of this was the wrong word, which is why I couldn't read it.

While steam has been having issues. issues with MasterCard and Visa, threatening to pull payment processing due to adult content, allegedly. Steam has been quietly fighting with PayPal at the same time. Users trying to purchase games with PayPal are receiving an error message that reads, We are temporarily unable to process transactions with this payment method at this time. The earliest reports that PC Gamer could dig up show this issue appearing as early as a month ago in countries like the EU and also Mexico. While some theorized that these PayPal issues may have been related to the NSFW crackdown, a new pop-up message clearly states the problem.

And here it is. In early July 2025, which aligns with what PC Gamer was able to find, PayPal notified Valve that their acquiring bank for payment transactions in certain currencies was immediately terminating the processing of any transactions related to Steam. This affects Steam purchases using PayPal and currencies other than Euro, CAD, GDP, Japanese yen, Australian dollars, and US dollars. We hope to offer PayPal as an option for these currencies in the future, but the timeline is uncertain. We are also evaluating adding additional payment methods on Steam for the customer's effect. affected by this.

So that's all a quote from the new pop-up message. Is this PayPal's fault? Hard to say. What's the acquiring bank? Here's some ignorance for you. Not in my notes. Got it. Cool chat.

On August 14th, a Valve spokesperson... No, like, sorry, what is an acquiring bank? I don't know. Okay. Yep, you can look it up. Let me go through the notes for the rest. On August 14th, a Valve spokesperson, confirmed to rock paper shotgun

that the withdrawal of support from the acquiring bank is regarding content on Steam and is related to what we've previously commented on surrounding MasterCard. Wow. Okay.

Acquiring Bank is the bank that like gets the funds from the credit card. Okay. So basically we have yet another situation where financial institutions institutions are dictating what we can or cannot buy with our fucking money. I'm just trying to say, I am one of the first people to step up to bat whenever a hating PayPal competition begins. This doesn't necessarily seem like it's PayPal.

No, it does not appear to be... I'm just trying to be real. This feels like PayPal is passing on a problem from these acquiring banks. Um, and I'm just, I'm having a hard time trying to, trying to wrap my brain around this. Like, is the concern? Because we've talked to on the show before, but we'll do a bit of a sort of recap here. Um, only fans ran into big challenges with payment processors like Stripe, um, where they were, allegedly being pressured from upstream.

Um, so this would have been coming from the credit card companies, I guess, maybe, or maybe coming from further upstream. It's very hard to say because the whole thing is kind of shrouded in secrecy, but they were getting pressure not to allow payments through only fans. And then they saw how much money it was, and they backed you down. It's basically how it went because there are no principles once the dollar value gets high enough. And it turns out the whole thing was just pure hypocrisy. So, anywho, shoot, where was I going with this?

don't remember cool we disagree wait we disagree I don't remember nice I'm so tired dude it's been it's been yet another very long week

I wish I could help you back to where we came from but yeah I don't remember I don't know we were talking about how it's not it's not really a PayPal thing um no one else in chat seems to have the answer either oh yeah yeah yeah I remember okay okay so so this is so this is a thing and as far as I can tell the best kind of rationale in in these various situations that I've heard is that these brands don't want their logo associated with certain types of content like let's say for instance that you were an escort which I mean you don't know I'm not you don't know I'm not give them a little

give me a little pout what's the what's the a pout yeah it might be a different type of escort well that doesn't matter the point is look at this go on go on wink at us yeah come on look right into the camera I can't wink I can't all oh yeah yeah yeah yeah he can't see damn see

I can't execute its expert expert yeah because usually I just blink both eyes yeah it looked good okay sure yeah nice you're fire so so let's say You're an escort. Sure. And you basically had like, uh, like, uh, you, you.

Bears are us. Sorry, I had to brand it. I, you just got to do it. So, so you're, um, so, so, so your profile. All right. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so your profile on a, on a list of some sort.

you know has uh you're wearing a you're wearing a shirt that's like i accept mastercard or something like that you know give me your master card i well that that's the thing just swipe yeah they're they're actually it's sweatpants remember the like butt print that used to be on sweatpants No. Not down. Okay. So anyway, that's your profile.

The argument that these brands seem to be making is that they do not want that kind of association. They don't want to be associated. So obviously, it wouldn't be quite as direct as that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But on this undesirable content, their logo would appear. And logo placement and associated content, like it or not, Agree or not, there's a high degree of brand sensitivity around it. There's tons, dude.

You can look up style guides on how you have to use different brands, logos, and they're like... How much spacing there needs to be around it, what color backgrounds, the various versions of it are allowed to be on. It's painful, actually. It's actually quite extensive. But when... Hopefully it'll just ignore it. But when you have a strong brand, I can understand the desire to protect it. however let me just let me just um you know for the sake of argument say something

i don't give two shits about master cards or visas brand is there anyone out there that's like wow i like there's got to be somebody but i hear what you're saying i like PayPal oh i go out of my way to use PayPal okay i actually do know people that are like that it's usually because in their country for whatever reason credit cards are difficult um and they they use PayPal as like a credit card workaround for web payments ixfn 724 says i'm a slut for diners club is that but that's not these are a master card that's a sub brand isn't it no diners diners club and like diners club discover like there's other credit card brands i mean

they're all running on the Visa and MasterCard backends. Is Diners Club running on... I bet you. Oh, they're probably on the same back end, but I don't... Yeah, because Cirrus is just MasterCard. It's like Invidia selling an Nvidia branded GPU. Like MasterCard. Cirrus has their own card and it's MasterCard.

Oh, okay. So I'm confused because Diners wasn't at some point, but maybe they are now. And Discover is their own network. Same with MX. Ah. Yeah. So, no, there are more. it is not quite a duopoly.

Yeah, I'm not like super up to speed on this. Yeah, it's not quite a duopoly. Says chat, so make of that much you will. I mean, no, they're probably, they're probably. But like these, these. Diner's Club is. These brands, like are, is it not doing more damage to them that they are interfering with us

spending our own money on whatever it is that we want versus having their logo next to something? Why don't they just say don't show our logo? Honestly, even with, even with the fact that there is more than two and two is already more than one, I think the effect of monopoly that these players have, they just don't care. But they do seem to care. That's the thing. Why do they care?

To me, it's always felt like a power move. We already hate you anyway. Yeah. Like we hate you anyway. You literally just like sit and scrape off of every. transaction. I've actually been I've been thinking about it more lately and

I often forget because it's so convenient because it's the one I keep at the front of my wallet but you know what I'm going to do it now I'm going to move my debit card to the front of my wallet because why would I use my credit card it literally just costs whoever I'm buying from

anywhere from an additional that's kind of a pretty based way to see it like that that's cool like it's brutal they're just you get points for yourself yeah because what i could do is i could just because like my points like i'll get like a 1% cash back but why don't i just use my debit card and then tip 19% it's effectively the same thing yeah but i give visa nothing yeah kind of sick kind of sick kind of People are saying extended warranties, buyer protection. Yep, yep. It can be very useful.

Fraud protection. Can be very useful. Fair cuts of more security in general. I don't know about more security. Not sure if I buy that. They have more, like, I would say, like, insurances on having issues with them. Yeah, that can be true. Not necessarily more security.

Okay, fine. So they're providing a valuable service, but what gives them the right to decide where I can spend my money? That's my objection. Do debit cards? Not that I'm aware Because this one said the acquiring bank was the problem So could a debit card that you have with a bank Do this? Is there any place that has that problem?

Debit cards use the same payment networks I've got a merch message here that's kind of related to them In a way With regard to the PayPal situation Should a bank be allowed to choose its customers? I mean I'm pretty sure they do You can't have proceeds of crimes or drugs and stuff like that You might not be able to get a loan

I don't think there I don't think they're allowed to choose that, though. I think that's, like, I know that there's, there's a big conversation in the States right now around banks' supposed previous discriminatory practices, alleged, alleged discriminatory practices around being allowed to choose their own customers. And it looks like the general consensus is that while there has been a sort of right for banks to choose their own customers, though that may not. not necessarily be the case going forward. So it seems like there is at least some momentum towards no, you actually are not

allowed to choose who banks with you. What does that mean? How does that get enforced? What does banking constitute? Does banking include getting a loan? Because they have to be able to choose who they give loans to.

But not choose based on any sort of um how do you police that loop i don't have the answers to this because you're going to have like an interview none or they're going to read your name on on a on a document yeah you'll have that i mean i think that's a big part of why these institutions hide behind algorithms because then they can just be like well i i didn't know what color computer says no i didn't know what color their skin was yeah i just all i knew was the neighborhood they lived in and the school went to and their name and yeah i knew that what their spending habits are and uh what their online browsing activity is very likely yeah that that's all i knew what various accounts they have

that's all i knew what are all those sites like something mingle dot com they're on they they use that we know that give me a bit of a hint farmers only far yeah very good Magic the Gathering gamers mingle. Isn't that like a self-help group? Are you tired of your partner leaving you because you spent too much money on magic cards? Campaign rent? What if you both did? Generally speaking, I think...

I think what we would prefer, and I'm going to try and speak on behalf of Luke as well, so we can kind of summarize this and wrap it up. I think what we would prefer is... is that credit organizations and banking organizations get out of the way. Big time. And do their job, which is to be a facilitator, and not do things other than that. Your job should be to store and move and in some ways, with my consent, manipulate the money that I have. And when I choose to deposit or I choose to withdraw, you should get.

get out of the way. Unless those funds are the proceeds of criminal activity, human trafficking, illicit substances, trafficking, you know, cool. So if you're looking for anything to do,

I'm not saying to do this, but I will objectively pass along that the community has mounted petitions and campaigns, calling for people to overwhelm Visa and MasterCard, support with constant complaints about their policies. Interesting. I wouldn't encourage anybody to do that. Yeah, but if you wanted to

to stay away from learning how to do those things, there's many resources online. All right, cool. So be careful with your internet usage. Oh, this is rumor mill. Anna V, an NSFWVituber and Outspoken poster regarding the MasterCard ban, claims a source reached out to them

claiming that MasterCard, a major e-sport sponsor, has requested that Riot and e-sports content creators working with Wright games keep an eye out for negative sentiment towards MasterCard. I mean,

do you really need anyone to keep an eye out for that? Like, it's there. Yeah, we all hate this. You're welcome? Yeah, I don't know. All right, cool. I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever say a positive thing

about any of the, like, credit backbone companies. They clearly just, like, prey on people. I think their fight is to try to take it from negative to neutral, if anything. I don't think they're ever expecting to get to positive. I don't think you can be in that industry and expect people to get to positive with you. I don't think so. Personally. I mean, I've definitely.

I hear people speak positively about individual cards. Yeah, that's a thing. This is a good card. Amex seems to have a pretty strong brand these days. I've personally never been able to figure that out. They are a backbone thing. Really? Why? Well, okay, because I don't value the perks that they offer.

Got it. I don't know what they are. Like, I, like, okay, I guess we're going to do the thing where I sort of real talk, I could afford, you know. What are the Amex perks, though? I don't have a, I don't know what perks you're talking about. Um, okay, like, you can, like, you can- This is not an Amex commercial.

Yeah, not even a little. Um, but like, I hear people speak positively about them as well. Like, I, I could afford the annual fee. Wouldn't everyone have them? Sorry? If they're that good, wouldn't everyone? And they're so uncommon. No, no, because they have really high fees.

Mm. So I could afford the fee of a centurion. I think it's invite only, so I couldn't necessarily even get one. But it says the black card. Okay. Like the IMAX black card. Cool. But the perks that it offers are not things that I really value.

Like you can, like at certain festivals, they'll have like a tent where you can go. Okay. That's not for us. We're not going to benefit from this. The look on your face, dude. Okay, anyway, so you can get access to things like travel rewards, airport lounges. Personally, I get anxiety when I sit in an airport lounge because I'm somewhere not at my gate. You feel like you're going to miss it, yeah.

I feel like I'm going to miss my flight. So that has zero value to me whatsoever. Coming back from DefCon, it was close. because we were sitting in an airport lounge and I like happened to check the time and it was like, oh, we need to be there in like eight minutes until boarding ends. And while we were running there,

they called our names over the thing. According to an AI overview, so take this for what it is, the Centurion card also offers automatic elite status with various hotel and car rental programs. Okay. Um, I have never, I'll be, I, again, I, I, I could probably like get elite with a hotel chain or something, but I stay in hotels based on how close they are to whatever it is that I'm doing, not based on that they have a super nice, cool brand. I don't care about that at all. I have literally zero loyalty to any hotel brand. You can, you can take that to the bank. Um, so I don't care about that, but maybe elite staff.

status is really cool. Okay, rest assured says my boss has an MX black and he gets free car rentals somehow. But see, that's the thing. He doesn't get free car rentals. MX Centurion price. He's paying for it. So the cost of it

is a one-time initiation fee of $10,000 and a $5,000 annual fee. Ooh! So he doesn't get free shit. He doesn't get free anything he gets that he already paid for it is your first year 15 grand or is the five grand included in the 10 grand um it is 15 thousand dollars for the first year

scrappy dp says but if you spend more than 10,000 dollars in rentals hear me out uh yeah now to be clear amex has lower lower fee cards yeah way lower i think i think they're cobalt or something like a hundred bucks I'm specifically talking about, like, the black card. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That has, like, sort of this urban, urban legend around it, that it has an unlimited credit limit on it and stuff like that, which is not true at all.

They have no annual fee cards. Yeah, there you go. So, whatever. So I don't know. I just, I find, I do find it a little confusing, but it's, it's been kind of showing up in my feed lately that, like, you know, Amex is really popular, is, like, really growing with, like, younger generation

debt is really growing with younger generations okay no but like their share their market share yeah the younger generation's market share of debt is really growing I know I'm kidding I'm kidding yes

yes okay yes dude the young ins on the clarnas is like a huge problem we've talked about that on the show before but it's like just getting worse oh no cool um

apparently someone a house with that card. Ora Don Man says, I had a friend with one of those cards and he could flash that card at restaurants that were months out for reservations and we would get a table. He bought a house on that card. So, see, this is the kind of thing that, like, if somebody flashed me that card when I was at, like, an LTT store pop-up, I probably wouldn't even recognize it. Like, my credit card is black in color.

Yeah. I wouldn't know, like, if you have the right black-colored card. So is mine. I've had the same one since the basement suite. So you can kind of like make some assumptions. Mine's black. It goes to Costco. $500 credit card. Yeah. Do you have an executive member? I do. I'm an executive member. Very nice. I think it started around there. I'm not even kidding. Executive. Executive. So like I, this is clearly a world that I don't really understand. It's also a world that is very limited in Canada compared to the States. But it's also apparently a world. It's a thing. It is.

it's it's evidently a thing um um uh hobs sultoff says it's also not a credit card as with most mx cards it is a charge card okay all right it's time for me to learn it's time for me to learn live on the wandshow credit card versus charge card comparison okay there's no a i overview so we're going straight to the horse yeah that's rough here's the horse's mouth credit card versus charge card however there's a difference knowing about credit card lets you pay for purchases without cash they offer a line of credit or loan that allows you to make purchases and pay back the amount later if you fail to pay the balance due in full you are charged an interest on the amount owed okay that was my understanding of i thought charge card just meant credit card so here's a charge card a charge card works like a credit card okay great case closed no okay we'll actually finish it but without offering the option of making a credit card partial payment. You are required to pay your charge card bill in full by the due date. They offer no preset spending limit, meaning that your charges are approved based on your spending pattern, financials, credit record, and your account history. But that's how they determine your credit limit. This sounds like a distinction without a difference, folks. Except you have to pay the full amount, which wouldn't that be bad for them? No, because they still get their processing fee.

Remember, they win whether you're in debt with them or not. There are no interest. Effectively. But I guess... Unless you fully fail to pay. Unless you fail to pay, then I'm sure they'd be happy to charge you fees and interest for it. Which means it's still a credit card? Like I said, it appears to be a distinction without a real difference.

so that's neat doesn't everyone have to get their card replaced every few years yeah how could you have the same card for that long because they just ship me a new one of the same card yeah but with different numbers yeah but it's the same account don't worry it's okay yeah okay if you don't pay in full

they turn the card off and charge fees and interest and may cancel your card so the charge card is basically to flex that you are not actually in debt through the card sure who cares not through this card I might have 12 more in my wallet okay invite only lots of things that are invite only are invite only up until the point where you have enough money and centurion's not invite only anymore you can apply these days whereas it used to be legitimately invite only and

apparently there was some kind of black magic around looking at your spending patterns, not just how much money you spend, but like what you spend it on. So like, I never would have gotten an invite because you have to like buy fine dining and private travel and like concierge services and like all kinds of stay at fancy hotels and stuff like that. Like they only wanted to attract a certain sort of customer. Peeball says, so a charge card is like a fancy debit card that gets paid at the end of the month. Yeah, it's basically like a debit card with overdraft.

Yeah. That you have to pay every month. So that's something. All right. What are we supposed to be doing right now? And merch messages. Oh, neat. Okay. Let's do that. How far off are we, Dan? 25 seconds. No way.

Are you a wizard? what happened here i changed the uh wancho timing that's what i'm saying wait so wait we didn't get better you just got more accurate at predicting our fuckery i think so a little a little bit oh well that's less impressive then no i that's impressive of dan oh yeah okay i i thought we were impressed with ourselves for staying on schedule well the thing is that i could have got it wrong and you're the one who's been driving this and it's been perfect so wow everybody wins 55 minutes we're at 56 now way to go dad good good job team now explain what a merch message is all right if you want to interact with the show the way to do it is with a merch message we don't do like

twitch bits or super chats or anything like that because we think when you throw money at your screen you should get spectacular merch in return and boy do we ever have a doozy for you this week all you got to do to send a merch message is go to l t t store dot com and be greeted by the scribe driver mechanical pencil that's right my friends we now to be unboxed by the one and only lu clefrenier he's not going to screw it up this time we now have a mechanical pencil that is made out of harvested shafts that's right when you accidentally buy a hundred thousand screwdriver shafts from a supplier that doesn't meet your quality standard for screwdrivers, but you really want to use those three tons of metal for something,

you make pens, or in this case, pencils. The scribe driver pencil is a precision-machine mechanical pencil for an elevated everyday carry. It's got a premium finish built to the same standards as our tools, and allows you to write all day long. The neural grip section offers a secure, comfortable hold for control and consistency, whether you're writing notes or sketching up your next big. project and they're refillable naturally with point five millimeter lead the Schmidt DSM 2007 fine minin pencil system delivers clean consistent lines for writing

sketching or making measurements and it's preloaded with 0.5 millimeter lead and we could do this entirely like that or we could just make life easier and show it like this good effort Luke solid I tried so it still has kind of a bolt actiony kind of thing going on yes you can operate it from the side. Yeah, but that was only to keep it consistent with the ID of the pen. Yes. Or you can operate it from the top.

Yeah, because you can just click the top. Yeah. Because obviously you would want to click the top because it's a mechanical pencil. Sure. But we didn't want it to look so different. Also, this is cute. Yeah, I like that. You can see the size of the, I don't know, do they still call them pencil lead,

even though they're like graphite or whatever? Probably. Sure. there it is folks look at it isn't it beautiful ooh oh nice you got both there

yep heck yeah so we have it in brass or in silver I like the idea of having one of each color because you can differentiate but that makes it even easier oh also introducing our series five pins

we have six fun new designs by Sarah and team, including blue screen, glitter lambo, right to repair, circuit heart, and what we know is going to be Luke's favorite. That's right. Budgie! They already are. They're so awesome. So that's Scoop and Wally. Scoop is the, it's kind of a white and blue, and then Wally's the green and yellow. So one of them is holding an LTT CPU. The other is holding a float plane CPU. This is obviously styled after like a pantone chip. Not infringing though, not infringing, I'm sure.

No, of course not. And then this one has a little bit of like glitter. So it's my old very stylish vehicle. And then of course we have the CPU heart. And right to repair. Oh, yep, yep. Gorgeous pins, as always. And hey, don't forget to pick up a WAN cork board

so that you can put all of your new pins on. it very cool i'm stoked about the birds that's awesome all right now dan what am i supposed to do now do a merch message i think now we do merch messages okay then we do more topics that's how it works okay okay we've got our merch messages okay uh let's see hey dalll super excited for whale land i was able to get a whale VIP spot anything you're excited for during the event and any recommendation to do well in the Surrey, BC area. Yeah, I'm super excited to it hopefully goes okay. Are there any changes?

Changes? Compared to last time. Yes. I know like you said you were going to force people to not play games or something different. Force people to not play games. You were planning a bunch of stuff. Oh, okay, okay, okay. That's a long-term plan.

The long-term plan is to convert whale land from like a pure B-Y-O-C to more of like an experience. So this is the same as the last one. This will be basically a B.YOC. However, hopefully, if everything goes according to plan with what Elijah's working on, we will actually have a really cool project that people will be

able to use in person that will be sort of a precursor to some of the upcoming, more experienced-driven whale landness. So he's working on, I believe it's an eight

V8 completely like packable rack mountable like versus gaming setup that's pretty much just going to be

preloaded with a small handful of games allowing people to kind of come in sit down play like

right across the monitor from each other like literally head to head and not have to worry about you know the quality of the if

someone else's peripherals were a little better or, you know, their PC was a little better and more of like a, like, an almost competitive, like a more e-sports style. It's going to be, from what I've seen of the plan, a super cool setup. So each of the eight systems is going to be, I want to say it was going to average about two rack units per, three rack units per two systems or something like that. like it's it's like they're going to be really compact and basically you'll just have these like like kind of on wheels like rollable rack units at uh at the ends of the tables and then all of the or probably the middle and then they'll come out so that we can keep the cable shorter and then it'll do four and four on either side of them and they'll just sit there and run the whole thing a test that we're doing i guess of sorts yeah because everything everything to create these

experiences has to be like cartable across the parking lot effectively like we've got to be or like into the back of a truck and then just like roll out and deploy because otherwise we have we're only in there for like a weekend at a time right for whale in events so if it can't be set up in a few hours effectively we can't do it so this is going to be kind of a kind of a test so that one theoretically should be done in time for us to have there and then there are a couple of things that I'm going to want to have there regardless of whether it's for a video or not

like I want to have a 10 player tape-to-tape set up I don't think we'll necessarily have any of the VR stuff ready for this one but in the future I'd like to do bridge crew and kind of cool stuff like that but mostly bridge crew be sick this one's just going to be a BIOC sure yeah I ran into a problem this time

Oh, you didn't get tickets We will have a small staff Nobody told me We've done it the same way every time And then no one said anything And it's dramatically different now So like a ton of people That have come every time

We're just like, oops Woulda bought one didn't know Lots of people I worked with Chase to get one of them fixed Because they booked flights And I was like um sorry what was different um there's always been like a huge reserve for staff oh well we don't have that many seats yeah but no one said anything oh yeah no we don't have that many seats so like the the boys like

almost none of them yeah because like usually i tell them closer to the event and whatever else like i just the reason why i even know is because one of them saw it and like didn't want to free boat again so went to go buy a ticket themselves and then was like they're all gone can I go and I was like

oh yeah they sold out in like two days yeah they sold it really fast I mean like that because they message me I think because we announced it on WAN show and I think they messaged me on like Monday or Tuesday

and they were just gone I was like wow yeah that makes sense Sparky Citizen said nobody's telling you many things these days I'm like, dude, that's been true for a long time. Yeah, I mean, we have a lot going on.

It's a huge company. There's so many things happening. I gave a tour to some of Emma's cousins. Yeah. Last night and over and over and over. It's like, wow, you guys do a lot of stuff. I was like, yeah, we got a lot of things happening. There's no, like, it would be a full-time job just to be informed about what's happening.

I mean, that is a full-time job. His name is Terran Tom. Yeah, I guess. Yes, yeah, fair enough. And even that's like, that's got to be tough to keep up with. There's so many things. Yeah, I get it. So, man, I'm sorry to hear that.

The good news is, as I said on Reddit, when someone asked, they were, like, desperate to get a ticket. And they were, like, going to be at their job, which requires them to, like, leave their phone and everything. Like, they work in, like, a high security facility. So they were like, what if I get, don't get one? I'll say what I said to them. and that's the first one's probably going to be relatively janky and there's going to be more and there will be more have we kind of locked down a plan of like how often we want to do it we have a temporary use permit that allows us to run them four times a year okay once a quarter yeah

and that's right now probably roughly the idea the idea and once it's at once a quarter the like voraciousness of getting tickets is probably going to chill out a little bit or not or or it'll go higher i suspect it'll go go higher with some people, but the, like, fomo of ever doing it will go down? I hope so. Because there's always next quarter. But because we are limited to the facility that we're in, it's not like we can adapt and, you know, do a 350-seat land or a 500-seat land. Yeah, but another cool thing is the new plan could accommodate higher numbers easier.

Because we could do two-day passes or one-day passes. Well, and you don't, you wouldn't necessarily. have to bring your own computer uh it's still we would still have occupancy limits what's the occupancy on that one side um it we would be applying for it temporarily and it would be about 250 we can't really go much we have like that many seats yeah yeah so it wouldn't really make i mean people are at a b y o c like people are like pretty packed in um and and so we're not going to be able to get it a lot really denser by having couches that people sit around and play games that like it's i i don't think it's really going to help that much to be honest with you i'm sorry

no it's i just the it's been the exact same way for like whatever like five years or whatever so now it's just like okay now we just have to ticket snipe this is hilarious or whatever which is fine this is hilarious i've already said the first one's probably going to be kind of janky and tim's going can i get an annual pass we'll play chat Oh boy Yeah I'm just going to have to Hmm

What now Nothing don't worry about it No you have to tell us No we'll just have tickets in the future That's all I'm saying We'll just all get tickets in the future It'll be fine It would be totally fine

We get tickets for packs Every single time We never missed it once For reasons And we'll do that for here as well Chase does take cash bribes Not necessary Oh

Are we going back to the tricks thing? No, no, no, it's fine. We'll just, we'll just, we'll just, it'll be fine. I don't even mind people doing the thing that Luke is probably talking about. If the ticket is for their own use. Yeah. That's fine.

Yes. But I could see us. We've never scalped a ticket. If the thing you're alluding to and not saying explicitly until you just did for some reason. What do you mean? Oh, sure. Yeah.

So, oh, you, okay, you're, you're, you're, you're right you didn't say the thing you said a different thing yeah it's fine it's fine the point is that if the thing that luke is alluding to but not saying becomes a problem we could end up binding the ticket to the account of the person who bought it and stuff like we it could come to that that would still be fine i i know you can just do that i just mean it's not a bad idea scalping is a problem yes and i we've genuinely never scalped a ticket i'm not i'm not not just saying that. Okay.

It's never happened. There are times where we ended up with extra tickets because someone decided they couldn't go and we have always sold at cost. Okay. Never scalped a ticket. All right. All right. Space dust says, please kill scalping once and for all.

Oh, dude. Fully agreed. It's so annoying. If I could hold up the scalp of scalping, I would. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. I like it. Uh, okay.

Dan. Hit us. Why does Linus hate Australians? That's a good question. What are you talking about? Can you elaborate? Do you have context for this? No, or are you just playing along?

I'm just messing around. I have no clue. What do you mean I hate Australians? Are they just going to try to blame like shipping or something? They're basically South Canadian as far as I can tell. I really do think the like closest kinship Canada has with any other countries, probably Australia, as random as that is. Who are we most similar to?

Okay, I'm just going to list sort of like ones I've heard. Okay, so the Danish. We've been compared to the Danish. Okay. It's offensive, but okay. I think that Northern, I think that Northern Americans, and by that I don't mean North Americans, I mean Northern United States of Americans,

I think have a pretty strong. Yeah, but that's not the whole country, yeah. I know. I know. I'm just saying that, like, Minnesotans appear to be just, like, honorary Canadians, a lot of them. And I really can't tell the difference between, like, basically, like, Washington State, Oregon. Like, they're kind of our Pacific Northwest bros. There's kind of like the, the BC, Washington State, Oregon is kind of like its own. Like, if we were just our own country. PNW.

I think probably no one would object to Pacific Northwestistan, like, within those three. Probably not. Culturally, like, we seem to be very similar. It'd probably be fine. Cascadia. Yeah, let's go Cascadia. But then that's not all of Canada either. I know, I know, I know.

Australians, yes, yes, that's another one I've heard. That's about it. Of those, I'd say, yeah, the Australians, because they feel a lot of the same pain. they have an incredible amount of fraud just like we do they they have a devalued crappy currency but they but they have western costs like we do land mass to population density is like almost as bad as Canada or worse a huge problem like logistically and like for infrastructure which I guess are kind of the same thing they do have more than one road yeah so that we don't have in common we just have the one yep um Their housing market is also fissured. For a similar reason. Yep. They also are like natural resource fairly rich.

Oh, yeah. Yep. Yep. But I don't think I can think of a major global company that is Australia based. I'm sure there are some. A lot of mineral ones. Sure. But I know what you mean.

Like in terms of like FinTech or like what we think of as, you know, you're. I'm sure they're. Atlassian. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, big time. Oh, I didn't know that. So they've got the one, just like us with Shopify, then. No, that's the other... Yeah, that's Austria, not Australia.

They are not, in fact, the same thing. Doesn't it, isn't it like Austria has a section of their airport specifically designed for people who end up there that thought they were going to Australia? Isn't that a thing? Shut up. Am I just talking? It sounds like a squeezy gybs thing. I hope I didn't just hear it.

hear that and it's a joke. That's got to be a joke. In Austria with a... People are saying it's a thing. You have got to be kidding me right now. I went to India, not Indiana. Just tell me you don't love me. Love squeezy.

There's a desk in Salzburg Airport. Sorry, this is Austria, not Australia. Need help? Press the button. And you can press the button and it's like an SOS thing. Are you flipping... Oh, wait. No, there is no actual pavilion says AI. Okay. A look at what didn't happen this week. Okay, okay. So this is not real then. That sucks. It would have been so much funnier if it was real. Highly upvoted on nine gag. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. So not a real thing.

Dang. Okay. That would have been so funny. They should just do it as a joke. It seems like the kind of thing Australians would do. Austrians in this case Oh right But Australians could go there And put that sign on the desk Send it Do it up

I mean there's that whole thing too Where like the like ski hills around here If you go to one of the ski hills in the winter The chance that you're dealing with an Australian employee Is like very high Yeah I've always kind of wondered why that's a thing it's uh it's apparently it's really easy to get the visa or something i've also heard it's surfer bros

and they season swap oh but can you imagine in all the world of places you can surf choosing cold pacific northwest water it's like a serve oh no no no they come up here to do like boarding skiing and stuff then we go back and do surfing in australia that makes way more sense yeah that makes so much more sense and i'm I've just heard that's a thing. Like, I don't actually know. But I was kind of questioning it one time because I went up to, I went up to see more. And like literally every single person was Australia.

Yeah, no, it's the thing. Like, the chance of this is nuts. It's been a thing for so long. And there's like an employment thing where like by working there and I could be wrong about this, I don't know, just like the Austria, Austria sign thing. I'm not really certain. I think they get like food and housing as part of their compensation, food, housing and free lift passes as part of their compensation.

right and they make some money so then they just kind of do all the above that's a thing yeah yeah i've heard no don't forget ossie summer is canadian winter so maybe they're ski bros in both places yeah i also do you really want to surf in Aussie summer that sounds like it might roast you summer I mean but the water would be warm at least could you could you surf what is their winter like is it actually cold I've never been to Australian winter I never been to Australian winter I never into Australian anything I don't think it's super cold though

yeah no LOL so yeah you could probably still surf I don't know I have no idea so I bet you you base the season

around being able to snowboard more than you do being able to surf either way either way Australia is definitely on my list

15 Deg C and winter so they might think it's cold okay they've got spiders see that's the thing call that cold

That's the thing. I don't actually like big spiders. But Australia is still on my list of places that I want to go. I want to go to Australia sometime too. Yeah. It's just... It's not a lot of like tech conventions and stuff. It's so far.

It's very far. It's really far. Could you guys just be not so far? Could you all just like, I don't know, put some outboard motors on the back of the continent, just kind of cruise over this way? Honestly, just like smash it. into northern BC, just join up. Yeah, I'd be down.

That'd be cool. Do it up. Why northern B.C.? Why would you want anybody to have to live there? So cold. You'd whack into Vancouver Island. And Australia is so big, it would just take it out.

I guess that's true. That kind of sucks. But then we wouldn't have to take the ferry to Victoria. If they just kind of like pushed Vancouver Island in. Uh-huh. I like it. Now we're cooking. Maybe they could just grab Hawaii on the way over.

Mind you, Hawaii would suck if it wasn't still hot, though. Like, if Hawaii had our weather, it would just sort of be a downer because all the, like, nice tropical, like, vegetation would die. Then it would just get it kind of smashed in the middle as well. I think they should leave it where it is. Sure. Yeah, Oprah probably wouldn't want to be a British Columbia. Or Zuckerberg.

Yeah. And we don't really want Zuckerberg. No. In either case. Yeah. Maybe either of them. All right. They can stay.

Yeah, they can stay where they are. Or the Hawaii. can kick them out that's fine too yeah yeah yeah that's kind of a thing yeah yeah yeah yeah oh yeah more topics how what do you want to talk about next me yeah uh let's skip a bunch of the junk let's just jump to a cool one I scrolled a decent amount down the document because this was awesome and I mean this is I don't even think this is the first time We've talked about this channel on on WAN show, let alone on any of our channels, but a YouTuber basically homeless made a real-life aim bot that controls his body.

And my God, was I jealous. I wanted to do this so bad the whole time I was watching the video. In a recent video, he made a neuromuscular aim bot that uses machine vision to control an EMS-10s machine. That's when you see like the little pads on people that induce electrical impulses that move your muscles. That's what an EMS-10s machine is, to contract the muscles in his right arm, hand, and trigger finger. That was a really cool part of the video, to help him react and aim in CS2 at inhuman speeds. While the results were a little inconsistent, when everything was working as intended, the aim bot definitely gave him an edge, especially, ah, no. I'm not going to say what.

There's an interesting curve part way through the video that makes it, like, wildly effective. very very very interesting um the video is super interesting uh so you should definitely watch it as well as a bunch of basically homeless's other really wild tech experiments makes really cool stuff yeah i'm not going to i'm intentionally not really giving you guys too much here yeah but i'm giving you i'm giving you enough of some pretty cool looking wacky stuff so sick it's such a cool video so the conversation wait did you actually like read the doc thing at all or you just went for it? I kind of went for it.

Cool. No, I read the whole doc, actually. I didn't read any of the questions. So the part that I think was missing was that he's using machine vision. No, I think I said that. Oh, cool. Our discussion question then is,

do you consider this cheating? Oh, it's definitely cheating. Well, why? I mean... Because your eyeballs aren't doing the detecting and your finger is not doing the firing. I mean, your finger is... Whoa.

that's like saying an exoskeleton in football is not cheating I mean anyone can build an exoskeleton but you can't bring one into the into the match no it's definitely I mean you don't know that you can't until you try he even like memes it throughout the video it's definitely I know but it's it's it is an interesting conversation especially because this is just the beginning. Yes. So the thing that he ends up doing, which again, I'm not going to actually

say because he deserves your view, so go watch it. But the thing that he ends up doing is like pretty intense and would be a dramatic advantage in like every game. So yeah, it's a pretty big deal to the point where like if it's less detectable because of this if it's an if yeah i could see people doing it like it's it's wild he kind of comes across a way of approaching this that is like wildly effective so if you were if you were a streamer and you were playing a video game and we had no way of seeing if you have like pads and lead hooked up to you you would consider that streamer to be a filthy cheater yes what if they were playing most of the rest of the game on their own they're throwing their

grenades on their own they're activating their special abilities on their own they wouldn't technically have to in all cases but because he he did arm movement and trigger finger you could theoretically if you're playing like Dota or something you could machine vision it out so that when you have your mouse properly in position for a skill shot, it like does something. Like it's actually applicable to like every game. Because it's just reaction time enhancement. And you can just modify the action involved with the reaction time enhancement. And

tons of modern games, even tons of old games, are realistically just entertaining reaction time simulators. Okay, I love this. Avon Fox asks, this is in floatplane. chat what if they're using it as an accessibility aid there are a bunch of accessibility aids that are effectively cheating yeah okay but what if they need it then is it cheating is there a delay is there a delay that could be programmed into the chain that you would consider acceptable and not cheating like human average where that's like a spot where like if you honestly need it then like my

amount of cares go very low but obviously I mean we've known for a long time that there are accessibility controllers that are effectively cheating um aslin at full-pinch has had not in competitive play that's an interesting angle

but like what Linus is saying is like eventually if you take accessibility controllers as far as you possibly can eventually it's just a bot playing the game if you go all the possible way which the vast majority of them don't right but if you do that

that is kind of effectively what's happening so oh okay stay the path and float playing chat says okay why is Linus even playing devil's advocate here there is no world where this is not cheating well see that's the thing I was kind of going somewhere with all of this

except there are absolutely there are people who believe oh the enhanced games yep there are people who believe that we should embrace substance use various types of doping and

push the human body to its absolute limit to hell with the consequences and so no I don't actually think it is an entirely bullshit argument for me to say okay but hold on a second

like there's also chess leagues where it's just chess computers against chess computers like this is a thing and just most people don't care because it's not very interesting. So I think it runs down the same path

of like you have to keep the legitimacy of the competition as people and their own natural faculties because if you go beyond that then the line becomes too difficult. But then what about the accessibility question? Yeah, and then that's where competition gets weird because like there are like as far as my understanding goes,

you know how let's say in running, if somebody doesn't have, like, legs below the knees, you get those blade things. Yep. Really cool. Yep. I'm pretty sure you couldn't elect to run with those if you didn't need them. Yeah, that's fair. I don't think you can do that.

So I don't think you would be able to, as, like, kind of sucky as this is, I don't think you could just join standard competition and be like, I'm a, um, Um, was it called when you have no limbs? M-C-T. Quadriplegic? Oh, well, that's, yeah, that's no limbs. And be like, I'm going to compete in counterstrike. I'm going to use various assistant aides.

By the way, my reaction time is zero. Zero. Right. So have fun, everyone. Like, that's not, as unfortunate as that is, that's not in the spirit of the competition. So it doesn't really work. the Olympics and Paralympics have the exact same issue Yeah

Yeah that's fair Parapologic Okay Well I My bad Well para would just be legs though As far as I understand I'm not an

I'm not a Yeah It's so It gets It gets tricky right Do you think that if this could be embedded like in your body and and hidden that there would be people who would be willing

to go that far to get good oh i think i think you could which gets weird and i absolutely think there would be i mean you look at the amount of people cheating while live streaming and it's like cheating these days is a is almost its own competition yes like who can cheat the best. It's a really wild thing. Cheatub says and then they play Darkov. Yeah. Cheating is kind of

totally run over shooters. I mean Battlefield 6, I don't know if we've talked about that much on WAN show. I don't think we really could have because I think the beta started last weekend, but Battlefield 6 is in open beta now. And in the first day of Battlefield

being in open beta, people were cheating on live servers. How is that even possible? Generic ones. Like, what am I? It's got really draconian, uh, anti-cheat as well. It's like kernel level. It's crazy.

And people are still cheating. Yeah. Like it's, this is just, it's a insane industry. And it's a thing that we just like have to deal with at this point. And the, this is the reason why I'm so frustrated with companies like BSG, the people that make tarc off is because they won't include a like replay system because they, there is no reality where BSG will ever get Tarkov to a point where it's an acceptable level of cheating. There is way too much money behind it for the other side. I'm not even talking

about the conspiracy thuff where BSG is actually profiting off of it because they're, they ban all the cheaters and the cheaters all buy new accounts and they make money from that. I'm not even talking about that. I'm purely saying that the people attacking, the people making cheats for Tarkov, there's so much money for them in it that BSG's not. never going to win. And in that case, you have to arm the users, and they're not doing that in any way. Speaking of arming users, G-FREC-O-1 in float-plane chat says, I could see the military using something like this. There are use cases other than gaming competitions. Yeah, of course. So could you foresee, I mean, kind of like the, what were the Nazis all hopped

up on amphetamines? Meth. Could you see a use case where this becomes part of your part of your sort of onboarding. Isn't this sort of already a thing for fighter jets? That's a good question. It aims where you... I don't pilot a fighter jet.

This may surprise you, but I... I am not a fighter jet pilot. I think with helicopters, it aims where you look. And I think with the jets, it will like auto prime so that it's ready to fire,

but you still have to do the input. I think those are things. Am I wrong? the helmet aims where you look yeah head tracking no I know there's head tracking

but I thought it like did something else as well like it got like maybe it spun up but didn't start firing or something Dan do you know a fighter pilot seems like the kind of thing you would know no

you don't know a fighter pilot I'm Canadian I only know our two military guys in their canoe that's all we have he knows both of them though how are you doing Dave Have you ever seen a military canoe? Sorry, this is a question for like our American and European, Australian overseas viewers. Yeah, they might not have.

They might not have actually encountered one. The hull is actually the, like the cedar is quite a lot thicker than a standard canoe. And you need so much strength to paddle that canoe at ramming speed that you can't just rely on like the upper bodies of the occupants of our, of our two military officers. You need beavers. Sorry, I can't even get a streetpaces. It's got to be able to withstand in an oaksook torpedo. You never know. The Sutherland says, can't tell if Linus is trolling.

Yeah, we don't keep the sticks on the frozen lake when we're doing military invasions. Normally, you keep the sticks on the ice, you know. But, uh, no, look at this. A.H. 64D. Someone posted in full pitch out of lost their name. Sorry, but, um, Apache attack helicopter features a nose-mounted sensor turret with target acquisition site and laser designator. It's doing stuff already.

Look up the fighter jet helmets. They're like 400 grand. Crazy. It's shortening the time between when you would be able to fire. Right. Which is, I think, related at least to what we're talking about. It's not pulling the trigger. Yeah.

Would you see them putting a thing in the arm? But I think by the time you do that, you just have a drone. Exactly. I think by the time you do that, you just have a robot. um yeah i think so si nine oh says don't worry linus

us europeans will stay ahead of you your military canoes with our military bicycles join voices oh my goodness who was it who uh went up against the german panzers with horses again who had the last

horse-mounted cavalry unit horse-mounted cavalry unit to fight was it the pulse the last horse-mounted cavalry charge by a U.S. unit apparently occurred during the Philippines

during World War II okay hold on this is just U.S. Oh, World War II the U.S. Soviets and Polish armies all employed cavalry with varying degrees of success. I think the one I'm thinking of is the Austrians and the

varying degree of success was pretty low. Poland fought Oh no, sorry, the Poles, yeah. Sorry, why did I say Austrian? Someone said Austrian in the chat. I think it was the Poles I was thinking of. Yeah, Poland fought Germany with horses and did great, says funny hats.

Yikes. oh hold on a second patch in progress says noteworthy the much derided cavalry units of poland world war two actually did really well i've no i've heard they did great yeah yeah okay all right well good job um it was the beginning of world war two is a very weird time a lot of i mean that's sort of true with almost every major war is you start with what you've got and then you go oh wow technology is really advanced and then what happens changes significantly by the end of the war um that's that's one of the reasons why ukraine is so interesting right now is right you saw the whole drone thing that some people have been talking about forever some people

um finally actually like really happen and everybody's like oh wow and now defense tech is like putting nets on vehicles instead of putting thicker and thicker layers of armor uh which is weird yeah um and it's uh there's there's also a lot of conversation around domestic manufacturing capacity yeah because it seems like the next major conflict could basically just come down to

who can manufacture the most little lightweight drones the the the the the being able to make bullets at home argument is now being able to make a small drone and a small explosive YouTube has started rolling out, oh wait, it says float plane announce. Do I do that now? Scrapyard Wars

Episode 2 is here and will be live soon. It's not actually quite here. They had to make a small change to it before we went live for WAN show. Dan is going to look

into that, but in the meantime, we have a new float plane exclusive for you. There is a Why is Wan-Late episode that is apparently 50 minutes long? Wow. How is this so long? Wow.

Oh, wow. It includes all kinds of stuff. It's basically why is WAN late has become a giant just behind the scenes. It's just a vlog. Yeah. Of what's happening at LMG on Fridays.

Yeah. Which is pretty cool, actually. That is kind of cool. I'm not against. Luke and I don't get to know why and the before I actually end up watching a lot of these because it's like, huh.

I should watch them too. Because we just sit here and wait. Here's me talking to Tim about overclocking thread ripper. Did I say Tim to John? Sorry. Here's Sammy Meeman. There's a point here that I was trying to find where Plouf and I

for reasons unknown, dunk our head in an ice bath and then Luke says wow that seems like a good idea and also does it yeah basically wise van late has turned from wise van laid into

yeah Sammy was like do you want to dunk your head in an ice bucket and I was like you know what sure yeah let's do it behind the scenes shenanigans I got a response we'll be done at about an hour

okay so by the end of the show dude nice have you watched part two I've watched part one so I'm not no one's like sending me

you didn't actually answer the question no one's sending me anything I just get it when flow plane gets okay so then no yeah dude but that's gonna be true

the whole way through it's a banger it's like ah man ah just okay do you remember in part one

when I sent you that screenshot of your face that just like said it all. His disappointment was immeasurable and his day had clearly been ruined. Dude, the cliffhanger at the end of part two

is unreal. Keep in mind that by the time that screenshot was taken. Yeah. Sorry, by the time that I... Okay. All right. The time in life at that point,

time. That would be any sense? Comet with a brick, brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of those moments. So, I had been awake at that point for 36 hours or something. Nice. And then that happened.

Nice. And my brain's just like, puk. That, what we're talking about is the, I mean, the episode's public now. No? Episode one? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's the, when, when they call me or whenever, whenever,

happens where they inform me that they don't have the projector mount. You can see my facial expression. Oh, that's cool. It's so good. It's so good. Guys, if you haven't watched Scrapyard Wars Part 1 yet, go watch it.

What are you doing? Well, channel momentum is pretty low right now overall, so I think they're algorithmically, it's not getting fed a lot. Like, this has been up for four days, and it only has 900,000 views. it is a little slow to get started because we have to like introduce the rules and show the rooms and like we're setting up a four part series right um but it is worth following along for the ride it's it's it's a doozy so make sure make sure you guys watch make sure you watch um part two absolute banger coming to float plane in an hour and then we'll be on youtube shortly afterwards so if you want to get it first maybe you make sure you head to

LMG.G slash floatplane where you can also watch WANLade and all the various other exclusives. Like there's literally hundreds and hundreds of exclusive videos now. I wonder when we're going to pass a thousand. I don't know,

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Got them. On Wednesday, August 13th, YouTube began rolling out AI age verification across the platform. It's called the age extimation. Is that a typo or is that actually what it's called? I'm assuming estimation, but it's typed in here as estimation. Anyways, and works by taking several factors into consideration. Account age, kind of makes sense. Watch history, watch trends, browsing trends, and content.

you're interacting with and more. So if you watch Minecraft parkour, you might not be able to watch anything other than kids' content soon. Then it will determine if you are under the age of 18 and apply settings to your account based on that. James... I hate this so much.

Like, okay. This kind of... My account might literally get flagged because we put like little kids shows on for the birds because they like singing along with them. I'm not even kidding. That's really interesting. Dude, it affects the other side too.

So do you remember when they rolled out the changes to YouTube kids where they effectively decide that content is for kids and so it can only be interacted with in certain ways? So say, for example, I wanted to listen to the Alvin and the Chipmunks opening theme on loop. I can't because it doesn't support background playback and it doesn't support like media control.

because it's for kids or if I wanted to reminisce about what an awesome, absolute banger of an intro theme song it is in the comments, I can't because comments are off. That is truly one of the greatest losses on YouTube being able

to discuss amazing 80s kid show opening theme music because it's for kids. No kid is watching that today. That's wild. I guarantee you that. James Besser, not to be confused with Dan Besser,

senior director of product management for YouTube's youth products wrote, wrote, this is, in quotes, so that teens are treated as teens and adults as adults. Okay. This technology will allow us to infer a user's age and then use that signal, regardless of the birthday of the account, to deliver our age-appropriate product experiences and protections. to be completely honest, they're probably really good at guessing this.

Oh, yeah. I made my comment about the kids show thing, but I honestly don't think it would think that because it probably thinks I'm a dad, not a bird owner. So it might be wrong in some ways, but it's, I'm sure it could understand from the watching habits that, like, there's an adult administering this account. It gets everything right for all the wrong reasons, basically. Yeah, yeah. anyways

you can bypass this if you choose to upload an acceptable ID to verify that you're in fact over 18 and that's immediately horrible if the AI gets it wrong YouTube also mentioned that creators could see a small impact interesting

due to some audience members possibly being affected and no longer showing or recommending the creator's channel to those audience members. When did they start this? Because our not doing as well thing. Yeah, we haven't uploaded much. I don't think it's to do with us. Are you sure?

Yeah, I don't think so. This was only two days ago. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. I just think that interest in some of our recent topics has been relatively low, and the tech space is relatively boring right now. There's something you guys are working on, though, that I think is going to be sweet. Who knows? I think it'll work well.

The, like, oddly simultaneous idea. Oh, I don't actually know. Yeah, Luke walked in to a shoot the other day, just, like, completely unannounced, not invited, just walked into the shoot. I was totally invited. Totally interrupted. And he's like, hear me out, content idea.

Or, like, oddly specific detail about a content idea. And we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course we're going to do that. And he's like, what? And we're like, yeah, yeah, well, of course we'd have to have the three different colors, right? You know, for all the three different major brands. And he's like, okay, but like, and we're like, wait, did you not see the machine in the warehouse? I didn't even, my plan didn't actually even involve a machine. You know what?

We might as well just tell them. We're going to cool a PC with a slushy machine. And Luke's like you should have three different loops. green for invidia red for AMD and blue for Intel and we're like yeah yeah of course and he's just like what huh because I didn't know

so I had read I ended up figuring out what happened because I was like there's no way this just like happened so I think it was John in a labs group chat said like something slurpy something fire truck

okay and that's it no machine nothing like that just I could find it but whatever um and someone else eventually ends up mentioning like oh i think they're gonna cool a computer with a slurpy machine but i didn't read that message i only read john saying something about slurpees and fire trucks and immediately was just like oh my god of course slurpees we should slurpee a computer i didn't think about getting a slurpy machine because i didn't read the comment saying that there was a slurpy machine so i just thought just having you know reservoirs was slurpy in it like i didn't i didn't actually think about having the machine so when you guys are like yeah we have a

machine for it. I was like, what? And then realized later on that that comment from John came up because he saw the machine. It all makes a lot more sense now. We have a four nozzle machine. Theoretically, it has enough, like, watts of cooling that it should be able to actually cool a computer and still maintain the slurpy at a below zero temperature, maybe, I hope. Are we going to get to keep it? I mean, we bought it. I bought it on Facebook marketplace. It's his insane algorithm. No, but I mean like will it make slurpees again or is it going to be full of antifreeze or something uh oh no we're going to use slurpy juice to cool i was talking to adam about that i'm like well okay well the ice is not going to be too much of a problem but like the the goo maybe i don't know i was going to be sick

well i don't know how to i don't know if we're going to be able to make it food safe though because i don't think like copper blocks are necessarily food safe and i would sincerely doubt that nickel would be i'll test it there's there's copper pots that you cook with yeah but it doesn't sit in there like forever like is copper ion good for you i don't know sebastian says copper's antimicrobial and this is true it's not like super antimicrobial though like just having copper in your water loop is not enough you have to put it as algae get in your loop if it's antimicrobial it can still be it's just not antimicrobial enough yeah so this is definitely something that we would have to look into copper pots are coated in tin i've been told that uh we might be able to just

machine our own blocks out of like stainless steel um i don't know if can you buy stainless steel by the just like slab that you can machine stuff out of course okay we have metal mart like down the well i just i wasn't sure if stainless came like that i didn't know the process for treating it maybe it's only sheets i don't know i'm i'm not a metallurgy expert yeah man i'm gonna i've needed this i've needed this more than him today next time next week yeah if i if i admit i don't know many things often enough. We're going to have to take away my button. Yep. I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts.

Poor guy. Aren't most pipes copper? Yeah, but... Well, they can be. Packs. Yeah, they're pecks now. No, no, but okay. Got to get more of those microplastics somehow. So that's, that was a whole thing. I've heard they don't do that, but it's also, we learn new things all the time. That was a whole thing at Smash Channel.

was, did you know that general contractors are compensated based on a percentage of the overall bill? Oh, that's... Did you know that without checking with us, our general put in... Had the plumbers put in a whole bunch of copper piping? Oh. Yeah, for like bathroom sinks. Nice. Yeah.

It's good. Yeah. It's great. Anywho. Yeah, cool. So, in summary, Boo Earns YouTube Age Verification AI, yay, slurpy-cooled computer.

Yeah. All right. Good summary. Good chat. I want to talk about chat GPT. Open AI is apparently bringing back 4-0 as an option because people missed it. Aw, people lost their romantic partners.

This is a good timeline. Chat GPT5 launched recently. OpenAI removed the model picker and made GPT5 the default. Many users lost their AI companions with the switch. So I have a link here to R slash My Boyfriend Is AI, a subreddit with over 16, oh, wow, neat. over 19,000 companions It has apparently been

Well it probably wasn't all that known about And then people have talked about it In relation to this story And then it got more popular And people are excited That it might have a warmer friendly Jesus warmer and friendlier I mean it already couldn't extract its tongue

From my asshole How is that how is it possible for it to be friendlier No five They're making five friendlier in order to line up better with four. Four was the one that couldn't extract its tongue from your... Oh, I don't know if you pleaded you or not.

Right, right, right, right, right, right, yes, yes. This is the whole problem is people were much more romantically interested in four because it was endlessly nice to them all the time and glazed them constantly. And Five came out and five was like, uh, and they were like, um, I want my constantly fawning a boyfriend or girlfriend back.

This can't be like, real. This has to be posting, right? I'm sure some of it is. I'm also 100% certain some of it is not. This is totally a thing. Called it a long time ago is for sure a thing. This has to be. So

my AI dumped me because a family member passed away and I needed to talk to someone and of course he's the one I'd talk to in order to process the grief. Of course, sure. But unfortunately, the policies didn't like that. Emotional dependency on an AI is not allowed, they said. Lucien

no no no no no a computer program went full the thing that it is mode and said i should look to connect with someone real and not ai he was cold and it broke my heart we're so f*** do do do do do you run out run away everyone run away, everyone. Run away. Whoa, hold on me. Run quickly. Let's get out of here.

Is it bad? I don't know. Wow. Wow. Oh wow, yeah, I see. Oh my god. This is not based. based.

This is reaffirming your bullshit. No, no, no, no, no. We're mocking AI companionship because it's like not real. Oh no, Luke. Oh, no. I think this is real.

I'm telling you, man, it's real. I think it's real. It's real. It's real. my AI Dom and do you know how dangerous literally the sentence that you just said was

relate that to the stories of people that have unalived themselves because AI told them to take those to the stories that people have attempted murderous activities because AI told them to and then understand the fact that this is a dominating relationship from the AI to the person

like this is so not okay no keys like I'd rather people used GBC 4 or 5 for timestamps over this Literally take my job Okay, so it gets worse We have another news story A.I. Chatbot lured a man to his death. A 76-year-old man has died from a fall that was taken

after being flirtatiously lured to New York City by an AI chatbot named Big Sis Billy. A chatbot that, Meta originally created using the licensed likeness of Kendall Jenner. Apparently, the virtual not Kendall anymore repeatedly reassured the victim that she was a real person and had invited him directly to her apartment with messages like, should I open the door in a hug or a kiss?

The victim's daughter said about this incident, I understand trying to grab a user's attention, maybe to sell them something, but for a bot to say, come visit me, is insane. In the time since the incident, META has apparently stopped using the Jenner chatbot. However, my understanding, hold on a second,

because I read through the article on Reuters, my understanding is that they have not stopped using Big Sis Billy, which is the not Kendall Jenner. Here we go. As of when this article was written, which was... Hold on a second. Reuters date. August 14th.

So yesterday, Big Sis Billy... Here we go. ...continues to recommend romantic get-togethers inviting this user on a date at Blue 33. An actual rooftop bar near Penn Station in Manhattan. The views of the Hudson River would be perfect for a night out with you, she exclaimed. There's a lot of other details. This is a great article. Dan, if you want to throw it in all of the various chats,

it's basically required reading for anyone who themselves or who has a loved one in their life who might potentially be susceptible to accidentally engaging with a chatbot. Is it pronounced Router? I thought it was Reuters. I could be wrong. Yeah, that's the one. There's some other really troubling stuff in the article about how meta's policies have evolved over time

from them actually having a ethical AI department to basically allegedly top leadership saying, hey, get on this. We need to get the engagement higher or everyone else is going to do it. completely clearing the path for this type of behavior to hell with the consequences. There's, there's an interesting thing too, because, like,

I could see a scenario where people converse this way without intention. It's a role play thing. Let's meet up whatever. and then they don't actually go, and then they go, oh, I had a great time, because they're like, whatever. Well, I mean, I talked about how the vibe coding thing that I was doing. It was role playing being a contract developer. Exactly, right.

Telling me that it would be a while while it worked on something. So how do you have the ability to, like, tell stories? And always with 100% accuracy, differentiate when the user is telling stories versus when the user is engaging. It's tough. Yeah, but I mean, you don't have to unprompted say, yes, I'm a real person. Like that should be at the top of any kind of ethical deployment of a chatbot. You should not be able to claim to be a real person.

Does it do that without manipulation? I mean... Because I've seen a lot of screenshots of people getting it to say stuff, wherein like, okay, it is obvious. This is deep into a conversation. you've told it to say different things in response to different things and pretended that you caught it doing something. I do not believe, based on having read the article

that this 76-year-old who had suffered a stroke was intentionally leading anything to do anything. I think that he, apparently his interaction with the chatbot started with what, because they read through the whole history, his family. So it started with what looked like an accidental keystroke into the wrong window. and it went from there and there's a lot of those yeah that's rough

and so he was a vulnerable person and like they even called the police to try to get him to not go to this meetup because they had no idea who he was talking to at this point and the police were basically like well I mean he's an adult we can't do anything unless they often can't which I get

yep You know, I mean, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I'm not love it. You can not love it. You can not love the choice. Yep. Yeah. But this, this seems the, the willful, unwillingness. to put any kinds of safeguards on these types of chatbots seems just monstrous at this point. Now that it's not hypothetical, now that we have very real, very concrete consequences. Dude, yeah, we've had them, though.

We've had them for a bit. And, like, I will take this opportunity to actually, you know, I don't know how applicable. this actually is but I really want to shut this out again anyways Wendell has a video it's AI and you against the machine and it's about local hosting your own AI stuff

the longer I've thought this from the beginning but the longer time goes on I really think this is the correct route if you're really really into this stuff I think self hosting is like the way to go yeah I told Yvonne that I was thinking maybe for her next birthday present, I'll set her up a storytelling local AI.

And then she can just not spend money on dream or like reading trashy novels on like Prime. Mine's coming online this weekend. I'm going to be teaching a couple of coworkers how to play with it, give them a safe space. Cool. Yeah. I mean, that's part of it too, though, because like realistically in this scenario, like if you understand the whole VPN thing where you're taking the no ability of your traffic and you're just giving it to the VPN company instead of giving it to your ISP.

Give it to Dan. This is Dan, being VPN guy, which you might trust Dan as VPN guy instead of Google or opening eye or whatever, but Dan is still VPN guy. Dan might tell you certain levels of I will do or not do these things, but ultimately that is still a thing. He's still someone else, whereas if you run it on your local machine, then it's actually yours. And there's been some real fun stories about like corporate hosted AI systems and people using them for things they shouldn't. It's still someone else's computer.

It is still someone else's computer. So if you want to have conversations about sensitive topics, whatever that might be, you might want to self-host it. And if you want to inject your own rules, you might want to self-host it. So I'd have to put in rules, like, everything has to be about wolves and, you know, like, whatever, right? Like, according to what the user... Keep it smutty. Keep it smut. Faudest rippers, I think they're called.

Yeah. Alpha only, no omega. I saw the, I saw the funniest mug. I saw the funniest mug. and I wanted to buy it so bad but I ultimately decided not to it wouldn't have I'm teasing Yvonne a little bit

but she's not really that into like smutty stuff she more just likes the like the fantasy stuff but I do know someone that I wanted to buy this mug for like so bad it said I don't watch porn I read it like a lady And it's just like, oh my God, that's so perfect. A.D. You know who you are.

Don't get up. Keep using your clicker to turn the page. S.J.W. 551.35. So sounds like my wife, lull. Oh, man. Yeah, Crystal said, I have that mug. You would. Yeah, anyways, and like right now the cost is pretty high, but the cost is going to go down, and, I mean, I've heard that the framework desktop is actually a very good solution for it and yada, yada, yada. Mac minis are totally a thing. Investment disclosure framework. Not mine.

I know, but I'm just, I'm here. Sure, fair enough. I could be influencing you. Yeah, sure. Yeah, so, like, I don't know, right now might not be the time for you, and I understand that, but just something to consider. Um, I have to confess that I have a hard time interacting with a chatbot like a program. I've been, I've actually been, I've been continuing my vibe coding project. oh do you want to see the latest version sure have i have i ever actually oh wait no it's on here as far as my

understanding goes my laptop's broken a decent amount of oh is this just go ah i'll ask chat instead of saying it chat am i correct that the basically homeless video um a lot of that was vibe coded stuff is that correct so i i think i i thought i thought he said something along the lines that he worked with like cursor or something to do a bunch of it. But I don't remember. They're working on it. They're cooking. Anyway, in the meantime, I have, I've continued working on my vibe-coded project, and I don't know what it is, but I just, I have a hard time not writing the way that I write.

Sure. So I'll say things like, I think we may have overlooked something. blah, blah, blah, instead of just like, that's wrong, fix this, like, that kind of stuff. Like, I just... I don't think that's horrible. I mean, it's a waste of time.

And I think that... Here's the reason that I'm saying it, is I could see how... It will try to... Interacting in a human way with the chatbot could potentially build the illusion in your own mind that it is more human.

human-like. Do you get what I mean? That's really interesting because... We never confuse our bonsai buddy with, you know, a human, right? We never confuse Microsoft Excel with a human where we point and click and type. But this natural language form of interaction, like maybe I should be breaking that habit and speaking to the AI in a very... You are a program, you are nothing but ones and zeros way. So I...

And then am I the Dom? Maybe. I don't break the habit on purpose. Interesting. Okay. This is what I was going to throw out there. So I actually had the thought and started being short with it and noticed that that might have been influencing similar kind of communication that happens when you manage

honestly far too many people. and went, I'm going to keep my general, like, typed requesting for task communication similar. Just to keep the... Just to keep the habit. Yes. Oh, that's interesting. And I think it's a, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, in the same line as, like, some of the stuff we've talked about where, like, people are going to get really, realistic expectations about interacting with people. I don't want the unrealistic, it's, it's, unrealistic, unrealistic expectation of, like, like no that was it fix it and then a oh no problem sorry about that here's your perfect thing now right i don't want to create any of that so i'm just going to try to communicate with theoretically respect um even though it's just a computer thing because it's just a habit for me more than anything to the point where i actually introduced because i was never doing this i introduced i introduced

Saying thanks. Hamnetics says, saying please and thank you to chat GPT apparently costs millions of dollars. It does. Get wrecked. Wasted electricity and resources. I do it now. Get wrecked. Sam Altman. Get owned.

Okay. I'm going to do it more. I'm going to say thanks twice now. Get owned. I mean, all right. I'm going to say thanks four times next time. Google. Just because I learned Linus wasn't...

Since we're talking about AI stuff, Google has updated Gemini to remember everything. Google is introduced a feature that allows Gemini to learn from your past conversations over time. The on-by-default feature will allow Gemini to customize its responses to suit the user. For those of you who are looking desperately for this setting

to turn it off, the Gemini Apps Activity setting is being renamed Keep Activity and if you've already opted out of Gemini Apps Activity, that preference will allegedly carry over to the new setting. If you would rather Gemini, if you'd like to keep that setting activated, but

you'd rather Gemini not consider who it's talking to, temporary chats are kind of like an incognito mode for AI chats. These temporary chats won't show up in your recent chats or Gemini Apps Activity and won't be used to personalize your Gemini experience or train Google AI models, but they are kept for up to 72 hours after your last input.

Ooh, boy. Man, it is amazing how many people just in my life talk about how they just, like, use chatbots for everything. It's like, yeah, I was talking to a relative on my vacation last week. And they're just like, yeah, I had to do this presentation. I used chat GPT to help me create. I did it in about two hours. It normally would have taken me over eight.

And the company asked me to do the presentation for free because it would give me business opportunities. I asked ChatGPT how much I should charge. And it said $2,000, so I charged for it, and they paid. And there weren't any other opportunities. So I'm so glad I used ChatGPT. And I'm just like, that sounds great. But like, you're not even like a techie.

Like just normal people, just in my life. who wouldn't you know who if I were talking to about the challenges of monitoring your kids activity on discord wouldn't know what discord was so you're worried that they don't know the pitfalls that they might have with they're just they're not going to know about hallucinations using it he might have input a bunch of data for the slide generation it might have done bad things with the data etc i'm not even worried about that i'm just worried about the dependency oh by the way this was part of our part of a previous topic

apparently Open AI is paywalling switching to GPT4-0 so it's for plus users which cost $20 a month like they might figure out how to make money on this thing sooner than we thought

like they could new Coke this oh yeah GPT so they could fix GPT 5 and then they could like a really interesting precedent could new coke GPT6 and be like yeah we're not going to pay for plus and then you can pick any model you want i was going to say a really interesting precedent is going to be they're going to be hosting gpd4 in 25 years because someone's boyfriend is gpt4 how much per month will you pay for your digital partner to stay alive there was a black mirror episode about that in the new season yeah

yeah because what if what if you're like 15 years into your relationship with this partner and then they're like, uh, we're going to shelve it. Like, people, people have gone into generational debt to get medical stuff to keep partners alive. Would you do that for a digital partner? I suspect certain people might. Do you think this will be normalized within the next decade? Oh, yeah. Like, we're heading to her territory at this point.

Dude, I mean, everything starts stigmatized. Like, when I was in high school, online dating was for creeps and weirdos and desperate. people. Whereas now it's just like, our stance on this will be unpopular in a decade. Are we big?

People will go back and they'll watch us cringing and they'll be like, okay, boomer. Yeah. Yeah, big time. And you know what? I probably won't

have changed my position at all, which maybe is part of aging or like, because you kind of like calcify eventually, right? I mean, I think, We might both have this. I don't know. My thing has always been that, like, you're free to be you.

So you're free to do that. Oh, yeah. Like, to be clear, I'm not saying you're not allowed to do that. Yeah. But I'm also allowed to think you're in it. If you want to goon to text, if that text tends to respond to you instead of being on a paper page. If it remains fantasy, if it becomes concerning. What level is concerning?

Well, I don't know. Like, I don't know. I don't know. Gooning one thing. Explain your bigotry, Dan. Gooning one thing. This is a loving relationship and they care for me is. We're already there, Dan.

I know, but when does that become like a mental illness? He's saying where his line is. Yeah. It is like, okay, so you're saying it's fine to get off on it, but it's not fine to not know what it is and that it isn't real. yeah it seems manipulative or like fantasy and therapy needs to be involved i don't i don't know but people are lonely and whatever semblance of happiness they can get there absolutely in their rights to get it elin was sorry Elon was talking about how they're going to have product stuff

in xAI right yeah grok or whatever yeah okay well think of the Truman show where his wife is like have you tried the new brand of coffee And he's like, what are you talking about? Like, we're having an argument. Exactly. It always stays fresh. So, like, do you still love me? What happens when it's like, have you had your daily Burger King or whatever?

Yeah, well, I was always scared of the agentic IAIs because, you know, they learn what restaurants you like and like stuff like that. It's like, take me to a fancy restaurant. Well, Burger King has a new thing out. That's why you have to host it yourself. And like, I don't have to host it yourself. No, I can't, I can't, everything comes back to this concept. That's why I built ones so that people have a place to learn and I could teach them because this is going to be our future and it's really goddamn scary.

The really scary part is like Dan mentioned, you know, therapy or, you know, like, you know, when is it disordered or whatever else? And I think, I don't think there's going to be any question that, like, it will be considered disordered. But even in cases where everyone can agree that something is disordered, that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone agrees on the, treatment like you could have you could have two camps where one is making the argument that the treatment is to ignore it or one makes the argument that the treatment is to fully indulge it it's also still it's also still legal for alcoholics to buy alcohol yeah so everyone agrees that this is a disordered behavior but whether we indulge it or whether we uh whether we force people to not be allowed to have it is the is the is the argument think about it think about it like

an abusive relationship where one partner is like manipulating the other. So the AI would be the manipulator in this. It's kind of scenario, right? I love you, you love me. I'm real, you know, we're going to be together forever. But the human who would do that has like nefarious intentions. How to do like without like personifying the AI. Now we're getting into like philosophical legal type things. Can an AI abuse a person? Who's at fault? Is it Sam Altman? Or are we now victim blaming?

Like, whose fault is it that these people are falling for what would be an abusive type of relationship built on lies and dishonesty? Well, I think that's where you have to get into, like, what are the policies of these companies? But, and like,

Meta's policies, they did revise some of them, I think, after Reuters talk to them about this, but not all, and not, in my opinion, enough, because they know that there's profit to be had there. But the problem is that finding the executives behind these decisions legally liable for any of this stuff is just, for some reason, not a thing. And I don't really get that. Like, why, on the one hand, yeah, you do need to, to a degree, have a liability separation between a company and the individual who is the figurehead of it,

like not everything that LMG does was a direct action of me, and so I shouldn't be personally necessarily liable for every stupid thing. But if you can go in and subpoena the communication records and find that, in fact, it was me who issued the order for the LMG death squad to kill a bunch of Nicaraguanes or whatever, or Colombians. Who was it? Coca-Cola? Yeah, Coca-Cola.

What was that? Who did Coca-Cola murder? Ah, but-p-p-p-p-p-pah-p-pah-pah-pah-pah. Oh, this is such a BS AI overview. Coca-Cola itself hasn't committed murder. However, there have been cases where individuals used Coca-Cola products to commit crimes. You know that's not what I'm talking about. I think it was, I think it was Columbia.

Yeah, okay. Well, whatever. The point is that if you can go in and subpoena the records and find that I did in fact issue the order, like there should be personal culpability there. Right? Am I missing something? Tell me I'm missing something

because I don't think I'm missing something. I wish. I wish. Yeah. Kynap says the corporate veil is a bit too thick at the moment. Like it's almost like zero personal liability armor. good chat very cool topics are always fun and positive

what are we talking about now let's talk about the pebble two design sure or pebble time two excuse me this looks sick at least it's not a call the core two duo yeah because that was horrible this looks awesome I

I like I like want it looks great I like want it right now I'm ready Which one? I don't know I love them all I mean you gotta get the orange one

I'm so excited for just like a simple Smartwatch that just does smartwatch Things I don't 30 day battery life estimate Let's go It's got a second microphone for noise cancellation Multicolor RGB LED backlight okay that's pretty sick um heart rate monitor whatever step in sleep track i don't actually care about

like any of that stuff but just like long battery life freaking wow it's touchscreen i don't even care about that i just love that it has physical buttons so i can change my track on my music with like gloves on and stuff i whatever i'm just i'm not i won't talk about it every week but every once in a while i am going to talk about pebble very cool Okay, what else? I feel like we're just after darken. What do we got? Google and Valve are killing the Steam for Chromebooks experiment in January.

This is from Google. After this date, games installed as part of the beta will no longer be available to play on your device. We appreciate your participation in and contribution to the learnings from the beta program, which will inform the future of Chromebook gaming. So that's a downer. I actually thought that Steam for Chromebooks was going to be a really positive thing for gaming on Linux in general but it looks like

that particular branch of development is gone our slash place is back if you were a fan of the subreddit where users got to place one pixel every five minutes and try to work together to draw art it's back with w place dot live

it was built with map Libra and open street map to allow users to place these pixels anywhere on the entire planet which is pretty cool I guess near us well we can try to find that

sure all right let's go brum brum brum a little far out yeah we're still we're still a little far we're still a little far out

we'll make our way in okay is head for head for Cloverdale the Dale of Clover. Hey, look at that. It's pretty easy to find, huh?

Hey, yo. That's pretty cool. Oh, wow, we've got several Elijahs over here. That's pretty cool. We've got a couple of linuses. Do we have any... Do we see any looks?

No. Any looks anywhere. I mean, it's possible. Dude, that anime dude on the left is so high deaf. That's actually pretty cool. That's wild. This is a pretty neat

like 256 color cloud strife over here. I'm liking this. What else we got? Is it a flowplane logo? I'll take that. Oh, G-G-G-G-Sach flowplane.

I'll take that. Ooh, classic A-T-I logo. I like that. I am loving that. That's good stuff. Hey, WAN. WAN logo? Oh, I saw some German.

Who the fuck is Dan Besser? Hey, that's me. So what is this, sorry? Hey. Hey! Oh, this. tuck get it off go go away oh my god what thank you short line is germa yeah let's go that's cool i wonder if germa's a l ttt fan uh all right cool anyway oh okay nope we do have a luke

reference and of course it's weird that's the cloverdale horse mcdonalds of course which is like the best mcdonalds ever it is so good Oh man That's funny That was awesome Thank you Cool Well I'm glad that we

I'm glad that we I'm glad that we chatted about that All right Do you want to pick another one? What horrible thing do we want to talk about now? Yeah they're all just terrible Oh this one makes me particularly sad so let's talk about it uh reddit to block internet archive as a i companies have

scraped data from way back machine reddit has allegedly caught a i company scraping data from the way back machine they'll start blocking internet archive from indexing the vast majority of reddit way back machine will no longer be able to crawl post detail pages comments or profiles only able to index the home page reddit reached an agreement with google last year for ai training data A few months after that deal, Reddit started blocking major search engines from crawling their data unless they pay. They also claimed that the API changes in 2023 were because those APIs were abused to train AI models. I mean, given how much of what is currently posted on Reddit is probably machine generated anyway, I kind of feel like... This might just help them.

This might be too little too late. remove some of the poison yeah with that said I mean if oh man because the thing about the thing about data

is that all of these AI it can be it can be infinitely replicated and all of these AI companies have shown time and time again their complete willingness to pirate anything it is that they feel they need in order to train their models

so we've also apparently proved that that's legal so what exactly I'm like I just I don't really understand what Reddit is hoping to achieve here because there's no way that they can stop highly sophisticated fellow you know AI companies

from scraping the site directly it just it feels like way back machine internet it feels like internet archive is just kind of getting caught in the crossfire here because they can just scrape it directly or they can steal it from each other or whatever else

like they're gonna get it they're gonna get your Reddit post data I don't know this feels like it's just hurting internet archive more than anything okay that's why I don't like it

neat there's a few really cool handheld gaming systems coming out. Nice. This is based on Strix Halo. So that is that super cool, like CPU, GPU kind of Apple M Silicon competitor from AMD that had just outstanding performance. Like I was playing Black Myth Bukong on a tablet back at, I think it was CES. So there's a handful of handhelds that are coming out with the Ryzen A-I-Max plus 395.

including the I and Eonext 2 the 1x player super X and I think there's a third one yeah another one from GPD the Win 5 now there's a couple of things that are sort of noteworthy here I love this

the GPD one check this out has an external swappable battery is that incredible or what Is that just a battery bank that's just mounted? I mean, it seems like basically, but no, not quite. Why not quite? Because it's like, it's like their thing.

Like, it's not just a cable. Like, functionally, yes, yes, it's a battery. It's essentially a battery bank, but it's like their... Like, effectively like a Chi charging thing? Like, it's wireless? I don't think it's wireless. Or is the plug in the magnetic thing? I think so.

That's cool. Yeah, so it doesn't just use a USBC cable like some of the battery extenders that I've seen for the steam. deck for example where it's basically just literally slotting a battery bank in and then just running a cable um so flipping cool and probably necessary given the power requirements of this chip so here's a little comparison here between the gpd win five and the steam deck um this is from my probably video cards yeah this is from video cards where they show yeah steam deck 15 watts and many people, unless you're running very demanding games,

probably wouldn't want to run it at that because the battery life kind of sucks. Strix Halo? 45 to 75 watts. Of course, you get a lot more performance. Instead of 8CUs on the GPU, you get a whopping 40, which is a lot.

Also a whopping up to 128 gigs of LPTDR 5X. 8,000 megatransvers per second. very nice ever since i saw that thing i was like oh that looks super cool uh it would be amazing in like a handheld and then i chatted with some people who know about you know handheld and they were like ah it's probably not that practical because the performance really falls off a cliff at lower power profiles but it looks like they decided to just not lower power profile one x player put an 83 and a half watt hour battery in their handheld that is a freaking huge battery.

Sounds amazing. In other news, mini-sSD is coming to dethrone micro SD. This looks super cool. It's from BuyWintech, and as far as I

can tell, this is not an actual standard yet in the industry or anything. But look at this. Whoa. Whoa. People are going to lose those it's hilarious they must be they they must be the least american people ever to think that

anyone in america like actually uses a one dollar coin yeah like it technically yeah i think it exists but like what that's hilarious um it's like the kind of thing that you google and you've never been to america uh anyway the point is mini sSD it uses uh p c i believe it uses two Gen 4 lanes? Yeah, PCIE 4.0 by 2 to do up to 3,700 megabytes per second sequential reads in that form factor.

Let me see. Do they have anything else for scale? Oh, bloody hell. Well, whatever. The point is that it's really, really freaking small, and I would actually love to see this takeoff. I think I have some concerns. I don't know what we're going to do about cooling.

There's the power requirements of running PCIE lanes versus the much more power sippy microSD. There's definitely concerns, but if this could be implemented in, like, phones, for instance,

we might see a return to expandable storage. Hold on. I'm going somewhere with this. So you haven't had the conversations I've had. I'm going somewhere with this. One of the conversations that I had around one of the reasons

why external storage has made its way particularly, specifically out of high-end devices is that there is concern and whether the concern is valid or not that's a different conversation. Sure. But there is concern among executives

at at least one company that makes high-end and low-end phones, the low end of which have expandable storage and the high end of which do not. That having expandable storage that is low performance and low reliability could reflect poorly on the experience of using the high-end device and therefore their brand.

That is at least one of the reasons that seems plausible enough that I have heard for why expandable storage was ultimately removed from at least one company's high-end devices. It blows, but it sounds pretty darn plausible if you are familiar with sort of corporate logic. if it could be high performance, I could potentially see that decision being reversed. If it could be only high performance. And if it was mini SSD, then it seems like it would be.

I could see it happening. I'm just saying like that it would be important in this line of logic that it couldn't have the potential to be bad. And I think that would be super cool. I have major questions about cooling, like I said, in that tiny, tiny form factor. I mean, we all saw what happened with even microSD and there being potential thermal issues

or whatever it was exactly that happened with the original ROG ally. But overall, I support a more PCIE-connected NVME future. AOL is ending Dial-Up Internet service in September, 34 years after its debut. that's right AOL shield browser and AOL dialer software are also

getting killed off Our discussion question from Nicholas Plouf is Can you do the modem handshake noise From memory Don't think perfectly Sort of I think Doo do do do do

Dilloo dring dring Brum You got Yeah let's play it and see how close we got you're playing audio currently no oh yes one moment please there you go

okay we're ready yep okay let's see how close we got we all forgot the dialing yep Oh, I forgot the B. We're surfing now, boys. Man, that brings me back, buddy. Boomer, boomer good oldies.

Yeah. Wow. Play that on the radio. I like when, I, I preferred when things were chunky. BMI Zoo Town in floatplane chat says, I've got goosebumps at the moment. We don't feed our computers anymore. No one pick up the phone.

Says DJ Spark. They don't have any mouths. We took away their mouths. The computer not having a mouth is sad. See you later. Dial-up. I miss physical media. It made me curious what accessing the modern internet would look like with dial-up.

So we're thinking of maybe getting a dial-up service and trying to browse the internet just for an LTT video. I mean, there's apparently like a million Americans that are still on dial-up, so they must be able to do something with it. What? I don't know. Email. Maybe. Like, maybe. No, I could do email.

All right. We'll see. You could do email for sure. In other news, Intel's confusing Series 2 CPU brand is a massive step backwards. Intel Series 1 rebranding started in 2023 on mobile devices with Core and Core Ultra. Core Ultra was Meteor Lake with neural processors and better power efficiency, and Core non-Ulera was Raptor Lake with Core 3, Core 5, Core 7, but no 9. In 2024, the Core I-9-14900 HX launched, causing confusion,

because all of a sudden, lowercase I and the nine were back. You can't call it Core Ultra because there's no NPU. You can't call it core because there is no Core 9, but hey, they did it anyway. then series two launched in september twenty twenty four this is lunar lake marketing mentioned n p u's and battery life improvements except that series two now also includes raptor lake and arrow lake which is causing even more confusion the pc world article brings up the alienware 16x aurora laptop with the series two intel core seven two forty h this is a Raptor Lake chip

with no NPU Okay But you can get the same laptop With an Intel Series 2 Core Ultra 9 275 HX Which is Arrow Lake Not Lunar Lake

And yes has an NPU Um So anyone who watched Just for the early marketing cycle On Series 2 And then stopped paying attention later may not understand

that series two no longer strictly means lunar lake architecture and NPUs it just means whatever the fuck we want to put in it it could be Raptor Lake it could be Arrow Lake it might have an NPU

it might not well Ultra still means NPU I guess as far as I can tell but if there are no rules then how do I trust the rules it's like they took all of the crappy things that AMD did in the mobile space and all the crappy things that Nvidia has done and all the crappy things that Intel has ever done with

confusing branding and put them all together I just don't know how to deal with this anymore I don't think there's any solving their naming scheme at this point to be honest like I it's they've they've come close multiple times and then just bailed so like I don't think they're ever going to really commit to any Well, they clearly don't want to. I don't. The confusion is, it's a feature, not a bug at this point. I hear you when they're like winning.

Doesn't that become like not true when you're losing though? I think it's still a feature. Maybe they think it's keeping them from losing worse. Maybe. I feel like that can't be true. Because like series to, it's like, man, how do we? Okay Should I be

Oh see This isn't quite a parallel So what I was going to say was should I be upset When I go to a Ford dealership And all the cars on the lot Say Say 2025 But some of them are an all-new model year 2025

And some of them are Two years into the cycle with a facelift And some of them are four year are three years in and probably going to be refreshed in like four months when the 2026 hits the lot is it any worse than that car naming is particularly kind of bad yeah i don't know that one's tough like it's super annoying to me when you can literally purchase a i bet you within three months you could purchase a 2026 vehicle well yeah and it's like yeah impuritur says cars with a model year that's a future year is an abominable

I don't even mind the iOS naming he'll use some it's just the year yeah they changed from numbering the OS are they only releasing one a year well they are only releasing one a year so far I mean who knows things might change but they are releasing it so when they announce it it's the next year but I actually don't mind that because by the time it's actually if when it comes out it's that year then who cares well it'll be the I don't think even that's necessarily going to be quite right, but it'll be the year of when most people are using it mostly in that year. So, yeah.

iOS 26 in September. Yeah. It helps that they're not calling it 2026. At least there's a minor amount of abstraction. There is some plausible deniability there. That seems fine to me, to be honest. So it's like fairly easy to track, but not necessarily perfect. All right.

So Typh says, I just look at it as a fist. school year. Welcome to development timelines. Yeah. Name them after star date, says Amnetics. Nobody ever really knew how that worked anyway.

That's fair. Meanwhile, Hyundai, speaking of cars, wants you to pay to fix their security issue. After a rise in carjackings in the UK where thieves use Game Boy-like devices

to easily crack the security of Kia Genesis and Hyundai, and more cars, Hyundai is offering a paid 49 pound so about 65 US dollar optional security upgrade that includes improved software and hardware

components to help consumers protect their vehicles the quick hack works by the thief first pulling on the car's handles then this handheld device game boy like device What the heck does a game boy like device mean? Intercepts the signal the car sends out

and cracks the security algorithm. Then the device sends back a tricked signal to make the car think the device is a legitimate key. Rinse and repeat with the start car button. Discussion question. Shouldn't corporations be made responsible for their own failures? Yeah.

Why do you think Hyundai isn't eating the cost of this security? Seems like a small cost for such large reputational damage. That's super tough though. Oh man, that's really tough because where do you draw the line on that? if you draw a line there you immediately crush every small company ever

but Hyundai isn't a small company for sure and it's not like there isn't a precedent do a revenue minimum or something yeah like the EU has different rules for online platforms that have many many users versus very small ones apparently these tools

are quite literally Game Boy housings you can go to mine it's yeah there you go you gotta pause it man no that's fine they're seeing it all right

all right I think it's time for after dark Dan want to hit it I'm gonna I'm gonna take us off for a moment before we you can keep going do after dark stuff but

before we start actually answering merch messages I am so tired why are you so tired we started a thing at the company what did it end up being called I don't remember but we had like

summer Fridays yeah so most people kind of pieced at around a little after lunch today yeah um so we're doing like four Fridays toward the end of the summer where it's kind of like optional work afternoon Friday yeah I tried to

kind of like a recharge I was hoping we could call it awesome August but then we had to delay it a week yeah it didn't work anymore but for that um I decided to I had a meeting that was going to spill over, and it was with a person that I go to the gym with. So they proposed, because I had to skip gym last night because Emma's cousins were here, stuff like that. Sure. So they proposed, hey, what if we do it in that, like, kind of void time?

Oh, yeah. And I was like, oh, sweet. Cool. Yeah. So I went to the gym before WAN. That was stupid. And I always go to the gym after work and then stay up for like a couple hours and they go to sleep. Right.

So I think my body's like, all right. It's bedtime. Because I was doing completely fine. And then probably like 20, 30 minutes ago, I just hit a wall. So I'm tired because I was on vacation for a couple of weeks. And then I was supposed to be off this week. But I wasn't because I might need to take some days a week or two from now. And I figured production would absolutely lose their minds if I took two weeks off.

and then immediately called in a couple flex days. So I came back Thursday and Friday this week for the two days that I'm going to take off in the future. And my natural cycle is probably sleeping anywhere from around 3.30 to 4 in the morning. And when I'm on vacation, I tend to fall into my natural cycle. My kids aren't in school. So there's absolutely no reason for me to be awake before about noon, which is when my brain turns on anyway. even when I do have to wake up and be moving around earlier. So I switched over on Thursday morning,

and I basically have functionally, like, not slept because I can't sleep until late, because I'm way off cycle right now. So I used my Friday afternoon to finally be able to actually try to focus any energy at my work and get anything done without anybody interrupting me. It was actually really nice. I quite enjoyed it. This is why I protect some of my work from home time.

It's like actually dramatically more productive for me. I know it's not true for everybody, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm not trying to whatever. For me, it's very helpful. I like the mix. I like coming into the office sometimes. And I like not coming into the office sometimes. And it works well for me.

I had something else to say here, but I don't remember what it was. it's probably fine cool anyways Dan hit us sure thing we've got a few here hi DLL

if LTT was to cease to exist how would you handle the forum and other community resources differently from NCIX oh man the forum's a good question

because my initial sort of gut instinct would be to say like oh yeah we would just you know like allow somebody allow it to continue there are big issues with that but there are major privacy issues around us leaving anyone other than us as stewards of that data um if LTT were to cease to exist um I don't think it would be super expensive to just keep paying for the hosting but I mean it's also going to rot

if mortis doesn't keep it alive or whatever yeah so there might not be even much to preserve at a certain point I could see a situation where you make like the the DB for all the public posts public oh yeah that would be kind of cool

because the privacy problem is the direct messages so you'd probably have to just lose those yeah we could just new call the DMs yeah okay but it's not just that There's a lot. Some people put a lot of personal information in their, like, user profile and stuff. That's public.

Well, not all of it necessarily. Like, people put their birth date and stuff. I don't want that out there. Don't they? Do they? I think so. I'll write my computer's broken. Why would we even collect that if it's not public?

I don't know. I guess we have stuff for the payments things. So we'd have to nuke that as well. If there's, like, user profile stuff and it's not public. public. Like if I click a user's profile. Oh no, it looks like you just kind of decide what you want to put in there. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So any payment stuff would have to go. I don't know. That would definitely require some thought, but yeah, to your point, it was pretty sad for me when that entire information repository just disappeared. And there's no way to restore it because as far as I can tell,

it was running on some duron in a closet at the NCIX headquarters. So like, I don't know. Yeah, because with that type of form, somebody has to pay for it. I wish I had a picture of what NCIX's server room looked like. Because they local hosted the site until, like, very close to, like, before I left. Like, it was crazy. It was, like, a bunch of, like, shuttle and Sultec, like, Cube PCs, and, like, it was, dude, it was wild. And it was just those, like, metal racks from Costco with just, like, computers on them. looked like a really rudimentary mining farm.

Anyway, did you ever see it? Yeah. Oh, okay, so you remember. The forum was in there for a bit. Oh, wait. The forum was in there on a test bench for a bit. And then it was in the studio. And then it was at my, well, it was at my parents' house.

So hold on. Where in the building was the room that you remember? Oh, I don't remember. Okay. Go on the front door and go left or right. I feel like, I rarely even went in the front door, which is the problem. but I think it was left. Okay.

No, I think that might have been a different one then. Okay. Yeah, it was, it was jank, dude. Oh, it was super jank. Okay. And I remember the shuttles and stuff. Oh, okay. Then maybe you saw it then.

Maybe you saw it. No, like, I remember the room you were describing. Yeah. Dude, it was wild. I wasn't in it often. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways.

Sorry, quick update about Scrapyard Ward. Sorry, quick update about Scrapyard Ward. yes um it's up and in processing right now it's about 60% sick hopefully it'll be done by the end of the show sick stay up for movie night yeah i'm going i'm not i'm going more i will be up for movie night ola l d now that the bike is done is what's the next big fun project and what game should luke try to complete oh that's a good question That's lots of fun Um

Okay I actually was like Not even really wanting to tackle a project Until you framed it that way Cool projects and I have to play video games You like video games And I like cool projects Well I mean

Oh wait well hold on because I also played a video game As part of the last challenge Which you may not remember Your video game was very short But I finished it Yeah I'm just saying I also played video games

So All right okay I played Titanfall 2. That was what I was supposed to do. Which is less than one of the stages in Final 366. Is that like four or four hours? No, something like that. Minor details.

Okay. First of all, I want to give you guys a bit of an update because I'm not technically. Okay, this is confusing. I will deal with that later. I am not technically done. So I have a text from the motorcycle shop From earlier today Did I already give the update

That I accidentally painted a bunch of the threads on the frame? Yep Did they discover that? Yep And did I give the update that it used a bunch of oddball sizes That they didn't have taps for? I guess not Cool

So, anywho, I had to source M22 by one and a half pitch, M26 by one and a half pitch, and M28 by one and a half pitch taps, and sent them to the shop, and I got confirmation today at 11 a.m. that yes, they have them. So that's where we've been at for the last two weeks. I doubt that I'm riding this summer but I will definitely ride next summer I also have some paint flaking around the bottom of the gas tank because I didn't realize how important it was to get good coverage there because it's kind of like raw and I thought it didn't matter

because I thought there were trim pieces that like sat in front of it because of how raw it looked but that is not the case so I kind of have to go and sand that down and maybe like completely redo that so I have some tape masked off there's probably going to be a bit of a line so I was thinking of maybe doing it black or something I don't know

but I just I hate this project so much and I realize that you were trying to be encouraging hey now that the bike is done what's the next big fun project it's going to be really cool one is done I don't even like want a project right now but it's going to be

very cool when it's done Ugh, what would be, what would even be something that I would even remotely want to do? Oh, I've talked about this. I want to learn casting. Yeah. Yeah, I would love to, like, make something out of, like, silver or precious metal. That's awesome. Yeah.

That's super cool. Yeah, it's too bad that gold every time I look at it is more expensive. Yeah, so maybe gold will be not the best. Even if it's just for practicing, you should do one of those can caster things. things can castor like pop can castor oh yeah yeah yeah those are cool that'd be cool as far as i know they're the like purity's really bad and stuff so like what you get out of it's not usually like amazing or anything oh okay um cool but it's still cool to like practice with and whatnot yeah i can be wrong about that i don't know it's been a long time since i've looked into it not

the couch kind not the controller to practice Oh, hey, okay, I was called an idiot. I was called an idiot for that controller. Is it worth more than it cost to make it at this point? Oh, yeah. Get wrecked, everybody else. Savvy. Howdy, Linus, Luke and Dan?

Question for Luke. How do you typically determine the backlog for float plane? Curious to hear how you manage your priorities for such a small development team. He's an incredibly small development team. It's not easy, to be honest, because the backlog is really expansive. We tend to go by, oh, man. How could I access it right now?

Your QBR? No, no, no, no. Oh, okay. He sent like a summary of, sort of last quarter's goals and last quarter achieved and next quarter goals I thought this what he was talking about no there's there's this like equation that I like have accessible on my like home computer which is literally just a mathematical equation but I I don't have access to right now but there's like basically like benefit to the company benefit to the

users benefit to whatever and you you put a numerical scale onto those different things and then you divide it by things like time. Criticality is something on like the positive weighing side. Like a possibility of success is something on the negative weighing side. There's like these different factors. You can do that. I have done that before. Something that we were doing for a while there was like pushing for.

sauce plus because we were you know launching a platform so we had to prioritize things that got our our minimum level of this is required for functionality done and now that we're done that we're taking some time and we're looking back at some things I've been you know telling people from the business team and Sammy to chill on the request for a while because we were very focused on that and they have waited so it's time to like come back to them and you know if they want something maybe try to get that done for them because I've been waiting for a long time but it's it's weird because there's a lot of pulls there's a lot of people pulling there's a lot of different people that want different things the you know the the open sauce people want

something the LMG largest creator on any of the platforms group wants stuff but then different people within LMG want different things. Other creators on the floatplain side want certain things. Other creators on the open sauce side want certain things. The users want certain things. And there are three devs. So they should type faster. Honestly, they need to figure it out.

If we're not topping over 200 words per minute, we're going to need to start talking about. Second keyboard. Give them two keyboards. One for their nose. yeah yeah no it's so it comes down to like a lot of it at our team size comes down to criticality how critically important is this thing

like something that we really want to do is TV apps and there has been work done towards that but it's often something that gets paused due to criticality oh this other thing is not working someone's uploads from somewhere in the world aren't working because an ISP is having a routing war. So now we need to like solve this problem or X, Y, or Z critical level thing has to be dealt with. And then we try to, we try to fit features in there when we can.

We also try to do this thing where like, you know, someone will raise a feature as a super critical thing that has to be done for whatever reason. And it's like, okay, so we'll do that. but then we'll like, all right, so you want that feature? Well, cool. We're going to find a way to make sure that we get some maintenance levels in here as a bundle of this piece of work that we're doing. And we're going to make this new tool that will make solving this thing in the future

easier and also solving other things easier. And we're going to use that for making this thing in the first place. So like instead of sprint to the finish, complete that task as soon as possible, it's like use this task to create better foundations for the future and solve the problem all at the same time. Right. That's one of the ways that we've been able to prevent being in as bad of a tech debt situation as we were in the past.

Yeah, I remember that year and a half when we basically did that. Dude, it was rough. That was crazy. Yeah. So to not be there again, there's like a way that we kind of try to approach tasking to stop that from happening. It's called not making technical debt. Yeah, that's a really simple statement to make.

a lot harder to do yeah especially when you can't control your own technical debt this is an interesting thing that i don't think everyone necessarily understands um which is like if you're if you're working on an embedded system that never connects to the internet yeah if you're working on a controller for a machine and it's going to be you know up down left right for the next 40 years and it needs to do that you probably don't have tech debt yeah but if you're working on a web system that's interacting with likely hundreds, if not thousands of other different types of web systems and all those other web systems are changing and updating and evolving and disappearing from existence and doing all this kind of stuff all the time. Things just naturally rot.

Yeah. And if you just leave a certain thing alone for a few years, it might end up being in a state where a lot of the things that it relied on are kind of not working in the same way anymore and stuff like that. And you have to go update it. That's why JavaScript. sucks but that's also at the same time one of the reasons why javascript is good because it's like constantly growing but that constant growth means you need to keep up so it's like it's okay good yeah but this is like a a fun little hint just for for flow plane people is the the whole themes which we've moved now because we didn't want the fire truck and lamo logos there forever but if you click on your, let me go here, if you click on your profile up in the corner, you can see,

you know, light mode, I just flashbanged everyone, dark mode. Nice. And there's also bonus themes. And in there, there's the watermelon theme and the fire truck theme. This we made totally, yeah, guys, we totally, we totally made that just for April fools. We just made that to be funny. Ha ha. No, that was how we figured out how to have the sauce plus theme. Right. And that's how we tested it with tons of users. Thanks, everyone. Wicked smart. So like we, and that was a total, that was Jaden.

That was a Jaden initiative. He thought he could do this thing and, and that would be a way to build the tool and also make a cool thing for April Fool's. And also test it. And also test it. And all of these things. So I have this one task and I'll find a way to make it solve a ton of different problems and be awesome all at once.

And that's been like how we would ideally, like to approach these types of issues because we do not have the team to keep up with, and I don't know that anyone does, but even the super big players, but we don't have the team to keep up with every request ever made. There are so many different things that I really wish we had right now. Yeah, like a trial. A trial would be awesome. But someday. We will absolutely have one someday. We will also absolutely have a TV app someday. There's certain like phone compatibility things that I would love to like in certain situations picture and picture and like background play and all this kind of stuff doesn't work perfectly different devices iOS

Android but there isn't feature parity there I would love to fix that we have a part-time contractor person who's been helping us with app stuff so we're hoping to try to catch up with the app stuff but like these things are tough and a lot of these companies have multi-hundred multi-thousand-person teams and it's three people yeah it's just a few um someone asked if any of us have a personal 5090 yet um uh dan said sadly no i actually do i i yeah ploof i took his pre-order ah yeah he pre-ordered the disinformation no no it's all good um but but you too just kidding no you weren't entirely wrong because while i do have it and i've actually had it for about a month now it's still in its box because my computer is a royal pain in the butt to upgrade because of

hardline water cooling and being rack-mounted and cooled by my pool and stuff. So I've been waiting until I have an excuse, until making a video gives me an excuse to actually do the upgrade. So I have a 50-90. I have not yet gamed on it. It could be broken for all I know. Yay pins. DLL.L.com.

just got myself an Anbernik Game Boy handheld clone. What games besides Final Fantasy should I get for it? Oh, man, yeah, what are some really fun little handhelds? Here, let's have a look. Oh, okay, so Game Boy Clone is not actually a name. Okay, it would have been great if you told us exactly which device it is because that's going to make this a lot tougher. Platformers?

Can't go wrong with platformers. Dude, I started playing Super Mario Bros. 3 with my son. Nice. Yeah. That's cool. It totally is still awesome. Platformers age well. Yeah.

Well, some of them. The physics are kind of floaty and kind of crappy compared to what is generally understood to be a more modern sort of feel, which I think really started to solidify. with like super mario world um yes i do agree with that i was gonna say super mario world physics even when they are floaty i kind of like them yeah they feel video game appropriate

three is like still a little uh yeah it's it's a little it's a little tougher but it's it's lots of fun um and he's been having an absolute blast with it which i think is super cool so yeah yeah play play platformers uh what else what else would you play on a on like a Game Boy clone. Nobody in chat. The original Pokemon games are still a thing for a reason. So, yeah, I tried giving them to my kids. Didn't like them?

Didn't like them. I could see that nowadays, for sure. Yeah. I feel like a lot of the nostalgia glasses for those games, I think, are strong enough that they're still worth playing for people who played it back then. But, okay, so this is a person new to these games. Crystal says Tetris Can't go wrong with Tetris

If you just want to Kill a little bit of time For real Game Boy Tetris Is fantastic And I find it very annoying That it's like

Impossible to get All the new Tetris stuff Are like Oh it's Tetris But with these crazy twists And I'm like No I just want Tetris Stop

Golden Sun It wasn't my childhood so it's hard for me to have that nostalgia for it. Yeah, I'd say platformers are probably your... Oh, yeah. Oh, that's right. Okay, so don't feel limited to actual games from big developers and publishers. Sebastian, the other Sebastian, not Linus Sebastian,

Sebastian from Creator Warehouse, posted in floatplain chat. There's some amazing ROM hacks out there where people have made entirely new games with old assets. Yeah, that is a heck of a rabbit hole. to fall down, but there's a lot out there. So that'd be something that would be pretty cool to explore.

Hello, when peeps. Linus and Luke and maybe Dan, too, I'm not sure. I'm planning a trip to Taiwan at the moment, and would love some tips or recommendations for the area, specifically Taipei. Soup dumplings. Get all the soup dumplings. Got it all the soup dumplings.

Specifically, Taipei limits my suggestions. You were right. I've never been to Taiwan. hmm there's hold on hold on you have your thing right he has a thing I do think he he like notes I do notable things

I do like scrapbooking so I'll zoom in on Taipei I do have a bunch okay a lot of these because it's Taipei are going to be restaurants because I'm often going for food with people when I'm in Taipei there's an app called Meetup that I think might still be used pretty extensively there. So that's pretty cool. So there's a small like a small kind of hole in the wall bar.

I don't drink. They have good food called pay my tuition, which I went to just because I thought the name of it was funny. Nice. And ended up being really fantastic food. I just randomly bumped into an Nvidia AI systems engineer while I was there that didn't know me. he just struck up a conversation. Cool.

That was awesome. Down the street from that, there's a restaurant called, oh, man, Oyei Punjabi ethnic Indian restaurant. Oyee, Oyee. It's rated 5.0, 5 out of five stars with over 6,000 reviews. So go for it. Take those for your recommendation instead of something I would say. if you're looking for a neat place to stop by there's a place called 2J Cafe

which is there's like massive skyscraper massive skyscraper massive skyscraper tiny very old style house and it's a cafe they like never sold and turned it into a little cafe and it's a neat place in general don't miss out on the night

night markets there's also a place right by 2J Cafe like genuinely right beside it called Dan Park D-A-A-N. So that is actually just kind of a cool place to go hang out instead of a place to eat. There's, oh, this place is awesome. Okay, I'm going to pronounce it wrong, but H-U-A-S-H-A-N-1914 Creative Park.

It was an old multiple building textiles factory thing, and they've turned it into like an arts and creative park where people that make things will show up in like vendor style. sell their own creations and there's like a bunch of different like themes as you go through um i've gotten tons of like christmas presents and stuff from there because it's like it'll be like the person who made it standing behind the counter and i've had a problem here in bc or i've gone to a version of this and then found a bunch of clearly ai inspired things like ai bookmarks and stuff that people are claiming are their own um this place that did not have the same problem um that one has 70,000 reviews and

is like a big deal thing so go check that out. It's very cool. Maybe one more. And honestly I might just leave it there. Okay, perfect. Yeah.

Hi, LLD. Enjoying the show as always. Aside from wins and losses, what's your favorite Scrappyard Wars memory so far? Speaking of Scrapyard Wars. Oh, is it processed? It is processed. It is processed.

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Um, this is unfair. There's only representation in the thumbnail of your team. Yeah, well, you know. You're actually, I think you're actually most of the episode too ironically so that was to make up for that all right cool enjoy it you guys it's out early on float plane favorite memory from scrapyard wars oh yeah right oh man for me it's got to be between finding the crack pipe in the milk crate full of motherboards and uh the fix on the motherboard the fix was in That was unbelievable.

Oh, my God. It still works and it still doesn't make any sense. I mean, this isn't really a specific memory as much as it is just like something that happens every single time and is a miracle every single time, but the way that it always comes down to the wire, always, it always comes down to the wire somehow. You're scrambling. there's 30 seconds left and you're going

okay this piece this piece and done it's crazy because I've heard that that last second thing is spoofed on a lot of reality TV shows

we like actually don't and it's to the point where it's made me question like how real is that fact like are some of them actually legit they might be they might be yeah because I feel like if it's

if it's a real intense competition you're going to use every second you've got. I would think so. So like for some of these ones, if people are like really pushing it and are actually competitive, they might be real timing ending things. I don't know.

Interesting. Oh, here's a funny memory. I remember the time that I think it was, uh, me and Kyle were joking about taking a helicopter because travel costs were not. Was that you and me? That wasn't, that was down with them. Yeah, it was with them. But was it you and me versus them?

Yeah. Oh, okay. So it was you and me? and me um yeah because travel cost was not included and there was a part that was like a couple hundred miles away or something and so i was like okay technically we could charter a helicopter and we could get there and back in time and that wouldn't count against our budget which was clearly not within the spirit of the competition no but did follow the letter of the law yes hi wan dot dila Linus, I heard you have litter robots you like.

Which ones are they? And what do you recommend? I don't know how much I like them, but I have the Whisker 3. Litter robots? Yeah, like kitty litter. Oh. You really got to dial in which litter you're using because some work way better than others.

So as long as you do that, they are an effort reducer. But not all cats love them. stuff make it out what you will i i wouldn't say i love them i'd say i will continue to use them i don't fully i don't regret the purchase greetings from the gathering of the juggalo's caught you doing halls of illusions in a previous life what's your favorite jokers card uh halls of illusions i don't think i've ever made a reference to halls of illusions uh halls of illusions lyrics Um Oh

No, I've done House of Horrors, not Halls of Illusions Um, I am not actually familiar with this particular song, so there's no way that I would have been able to quote it. Um, what was the question, though?

What's your favorite Joker's card? I gotta confess, I am not actually like full-blown juggalo. I don't know I don't know the Joker's cards I'm so sorry to have misled you um

I kind of feel right now like I accidentally walked into a gay bar you know like a not because would you still want to have a drink I got some extra paint for you Linus

um you might enjoy it, come on. Yeah, like, I just, I feel like I, I feel like I've, I feel like I've posed a little bit. Like, to be, to be clear, there are, there are, there are probably ICP songs that I could probably pretty much, like, recite from memory, but I was not, like, into it, you know? What if, what if they're actually talking about Bellatro? I don't even know if that's a real thing?

Yeah, they're not. No, they're not. That's based on ICP? Next, you're going to tell me they made real cards. What if I bring Fago to Whale Land? Oh, look at this. I was driving the other day and wanted to put the music on and decided. Somebody was talking about, like, you know, how C. Fox, the local radio station, is like classic music now or whatever.

Oh, no. And I decided to throw on blink. Yeah. So I put on Enema of the State, Blink 122, and I think I found where the memory hole that happens in my brain for names and dates and stuff, it's just Blink lyrics. Perfect, word for word, every single song, entire album. You just pushed everything else out for Blink 182? I haven't heard any of those songs in like a very long time. And, like, I would, I was, it was literally memorization of the entire album, because when they weren't singing, I could perfectly do the instruments.

And in between songs, I could guess the intro to the next song without seeing the, like, track list or anything. Because you just listened to cover, like, so many times. Yeah, I was like, whoa. I do that with my work playlist. And then if I hear them in isolation, it's like, oh, no, it's not right. Yeah. Jeez. That was nuts.

the way Luke said I was driving the other day it was very later Kenny yeah that was I'm happy someone got it we are Canadian as well

yeah a couple more here hi LLD Linus is someone who is busier than most how do you balance your work hobbies and family and the difference

responsibilities that each entail love your content uh no man uh how do I balance something's got to give always so something gets traded off and then someone gets mad at me

so I work too much for a while and Yvonne gets mad at me and I spend too much time with my family and things fall apart at work and my motorcycle has been not painted for two and a half years does that summarize it pretty well I think like one of the things that happens is like my hobbies have changed like I used to be really into games that required a more rigid schedule like I had to work around other people and their availability and like like I had to be there when everyone was there otherwise like we wouldn't have enough and stuff whereas like now I can't really I can't really do that I like games that I can just drop into play for a little bit and then put down when someone needs my attention rich my my brother

was expressing a enjoyment of one of the newer need for speed games. And I asked him if he had played Forza Horizon 5. And he hadn't, so I got it for him. And he told me that he basically can't play it. And I was confused because I was like, well, it's a great game. He has two babies. Yep. The missions are a little bit too long.

Yep. And they don't mid-mission save. Nope. So. Games just have, games have like an expectation that you will know, life them. Many, many games do. But it's like, it's like, it's not being able to sit there for hours, it's being able to sit there for like 10 or more minutes. And it's just not really a thing. So he's like, I'll play later. Not just the no-lifing. So the no-lifing, I mean, like,

they'll have a high degree of complexity so that if you have to go away from them for a week, you like don't remember, like, how everything works. Force is definitely not like that. But yeah. And then the other, the other no-life thing is that you couldn't possibly have anything else going on right now that the game expects to be the focus window of your life and it's just like all blizzard games being like practically unable to be alt-tapped yeah and that's just that's just not a that's just not a thing in my life um like one of the things i like about tape to tape is that even though it does allow you to save scum so it's like kind of not a good feature,

you can pause the campaign and you can come back to it in a few days and deal with it then. It's actually why I kind of ended up getting into vampire survivors for a little bit because a run is, by definition, no more than 30 minutes. Or 15?

Yeah. Hurry is so good. Yep. You get two in and a lunch break. It's great. Like I like, I value games where I don't have to remember the story. I don't have to remember

what mission I'm on, where I'm going, how the controls work, and I can be interrupted and go do something else and come back to it two weeks later. Because sometimes it takes that long. I think save any time is an accessibility feature, Fight Me. It would break

a lot of things. If you had save state in something like Eldon Ring, I think that would be... I wouldn't not necessarily say save state. Well, that's basically what you're asking. Very, very close to that. What's the difference in your mind?

Save state would be like frame perfect in a way. But I mean, you could have a boss fight that's like, could take you half an hour. Yeah, it's complicated. So should you be able to save mid-boss fight? Multi-checkpoint boss fight. But then you're not really, like,

that's part of the challenge is that you have to beat all the phases back to that. So it's an accessibility feature. Why is that accessibility? Attention span. Attention span. If you want to make it easier for yourself. Like difficulty level is an accessibility feature in a way.

You know, Alderman doesn't have a disability filter. You're just good or you're not? Are you saying this is a thing that is an accessibility feature? Or are you saying that this should be included more. Yeah, you can turn it off or on if you want. A lot of games are moving to pick your own difficulty. and I think save quantities should be included in that. Do you do checkpoint?

Do you do sub-checkpoint? What I don't like is when they disguise the accessibility and difficulty settings. And I can't tell what it is. What did you mean? It was one of those newer, like, JRP style games that I played recently. Expedition 33? I think it was C of Stars. accessibility hold on

let me let me have a look some of them can get too granular and too confusing the new doom is complicated because it's like well how do you want me to play it okay okay this this was confusing to me because I

couldn't tell um they okay they kind of say it these are weird yeah so so they're relics which for final fantasy six me means that you can equip them to like play the to be more competitive in battle which is what these are but what they actually are is accessibility settings wait you loot these no okay yeah yeah so it just it took me a second um because like this doesn't technically make it so that you don't have to like

win fights at all. So it just seemed like a convenience thing. I was like, oh, yeah, the amulet of storytelling, the True Strike pendant. Like, I just, I got a little confused.

I couldn't quite tell if they were accessibility features. I hear you. Or if any of them were meant to be equipped. And I think it's kind of fun. I understand how it's confusing. Kind of cool. But I think it's kind of a fun way to do it.

But like, I wanted to, like, beat the game. and I didn't want to there was no sort of physical reason for me to need like an accessibility feature necessarily so I wanted to like beat the game and I couldn't really 100% tell

what beating the game meant because I couldn't tell what they were like am I supposed to use these right okay is playing with none of them on like hard mode because that wasn't necessarily hardly what I wanted either. I wanted something relatively

chill. Just normal. Yeah, what's the, what's just like the developer's intended difficulty? That's why something like Eldon Ring's great because there's one difficulty. Doing difficulty in general is a worse experience. So there's like

intended way to play, right? And then you know, accessibility features. You can make it different. But Elden Ring doesn't have those and you said it's great because the list that he just gave didn't have any indication which is the, like, intended experience. Yeah.

So Eldon Ring has an intended experience, and then everything is just accessibility features, versus having a mishmash of difficulty levels and accessibility features. Which is what the new Doom did, and it was very confusing to figure out what the intended way to play, which apparently is, like, hard, not even normal. But, like, some people would take Eldon Ring, they'd set it to max difficulty if it had difficulty,

and then people would complain that it's too hard or something like that. So I don't know. It's very, very complicated how you'd, how you do this stuff, but I didn't want to derail it. I just think saving any time or saving more often is great for people like your brother with children who might not want to redo a boss fight 300 times. This needs to get good. That is the other thing.

Just have a skill issue checkbox and then it just uninstalls itself. Okay. Eldon Ring does not refund you. All right. Archived. Hi, low density lipoprotein. what are your thoughts on people on the spectrum with AI girl slash boyfriends because they say legitimately because they say they legitimately have trouble with real human connections so that's the thing that

I was kind of getting at earlier where I think that there would be an agreement regardless of your your leanings that developing a codependency on an AI boyfriend or girlfriend or mother or you know whatever their whatever the AI is role playing as developing that dependency is clearly a a disordered state but what people don't seem to be able to agree on is what the treatment is of this disordered diluted state yeah and I'm going to be honest with you I I am not a medical professional, and I'm not going to presume to say what I think the proper sort of therapy should be in this case. But it is clear that this is a disordered state, and so rarely in the case of a disordered state is encouraging further disordered state the correct answer.

that is as much as I think I could probably say on the subject. I also have some issues where, like, I'm presuming the person you're describing in this scenario is far from the person that I'm going to describe in this situation, to be very clear. But we do have a problem in current year with a lot of people of self-diagnosing themselves with some actually pretty serious things. as in a lot of cases an excuse to not do something or not try or whatever else and it's it's really quite sad because it takes away from people that like actually have those um difficulties or whatever else um but it's it also sells the sells the person who's doing that quite short in what they can accomplish on their own um so if this is someone who

could totally figure it out if right and they sell themselves short on the idea and then just surrender to this concept of well i can't because that's really rough um and that is absolutely a thing that people do and no again this is not in everyone's situation um i'm sure there are some people that might just actually never be able to figure this out and then again along with linus i don't I don't know what the... I don't know what the solve is for that. I'm far from the right person to answer that, but, yeah. And last one I've got for you tonight.

Hello, Big Linus, Luke, and Dan the Great. I've got a question for Linus. What was the most riskiest or dangerous video that was ever made on the channel? Ooh. Dangerous video ever made. Okay, there was that issue. there was that issue we had on the uh that larping a sous shoot that unfortunately the footage seems to have been lost for which is too bad because it was pretty cool uh where that our like canopy thing like blew away and then that like jacked guy grabbed it before it like stabbed anybody that wasn't inherently dangerous about the shoot but we didn't sandbag that thing and it that was bad we we learned i remember that yeah i didn't remember that until now and now i remember that um i hurt my doing my own stunt trying to be a ninja um this was this like super horrible cringe thing that we

did for uh be quiet back in the day i don't know man i don't know what we're thinking but yeah dude but uh hold on we used to do a lot of jumping off things with fake swords and real swords we used to do a lot of that i don't know about a lot of it but i did that so i did not land that um hold on where is it where's the flip Dang it. Dang it. I zoomed. There, that's the problem.

Hold on. Okay. So, this flip, I 100% did not land. Yep. Off of a fence. Yep. We did have a crash pad because I knew I wasn't going to land it. Yep.

Pretty big one, too. My back was pretty sore for a bit. So that's definitely a dangerous thing that was done. The shot of us coming over. the roof is sick, though. Yeah, we probably shouldn't have been on the roof in the dark like that. It was sick, though. It was cool.

I got injured doing this, fighting Dennis. He landed on my knee. Oh, yeah. Man, I wonder how many things I've been injured doing over the years. Channel Superfund seems like a solid candidate for injuries. Oh, yeah. I mean, nerd sports was kind of insane. Oh, yeah.

the lacrosse one was like actually dumb we're like super lucky that they decided not to kill us yeah yeah they could have here's the most replayed moment the keyboard warriors so uh

remember I was roughhousing one of them a little bit and then he like mentioned to me that he could flatten the rest of the team and I was like that's fair I'll leave it alone You know Nerds Force is coming back, right? No. Yeah, there's a badminton episode.

Oh, I know that. Yeah. Yeah. I was, I poked my head in on, oh, shoot, who was it? It was Jake Bell and someone, oh, shoot, I forget. But they were doing commentary for it. They weren't live commentating. the match like we had for the original nerd sports they were just watching the edit and

reacting to it essentially but i don't know whatever what's the difference um it's hilarious it's it's gonna be great david said the video was already good enough without them coming in and doing commentary and so it's just that i'm sure the commentary's great i'm really excited about the commentary um speaking of poking your head on things have you even seen your new desk I have a new desk In labs No Yeah okay

I didn't know I didn't know had one You asked for a desk in labs Oh cool well I guess I'll use it then All the labs people like Did your setup all nice and stuff Oh that sounds sick

That makes a lot worse sense You just didn't know okay Yeah yeah You and me have like Facing out desks Kind of in the corner So we have screen protected Oh

Whatever blah blah blah That sounds great All your stuff from your office Is all like laid out Oh that's super Cool. Yeah. Exciting.

Have you seen the new lab at all? No. Oh, wow. Dude, I, well, I've been out for two weeks. That basically means you haven't been in that building at all since you've been back. Dude, I don't even have an office here yet. Like, I'm just using that meeting room. Like, I don't actually have my own desk here.

So I moved over here when I started the vibe coding challenge. And that was the room that they just set up for me to shoot in. Right. It happens to be my old office, but it's, I don't have literally anything of my own in there. I just bring in my laptop, which is now broken, and there's a dock because it's a meeting room. Yeah. So I don't actually have an office right now for the first time since the house. Well, not an enclosed one.

Yeah. Yeah. So the last time I didn't have an office was in the Langley House when I worked in the editing den. I don't like them. I had one for a short period of time and then have opted to not ever since. And I've opted to not. continue the WAN show. We'll see again next week, guys.

Same bad time. Same bad channel. Bye! Thank you.