The WAN Show - Windows Is Dead To Me - WAN Show June 27, 2025

Starting point is 00:00:00 Everybody and welcome to the WAN show it's gonna be a great show today is what I would say if Microsoft hadn't done the unthinkable the appalling the inexcusable Thing that they did They are generally upset about it. They have killed The blue screen of death. How can one kill death? Does it make any sense?

Starting point is 00:00:27 We'll be talking about that. We're also going to be talking about some additional issues this week that HouseFresh, who you guys may remember if you watched the big video this week that we did on companies suing honest reviewers, that HouseFresh highlighted where basically as far as we can tell independent review sites like theirs could be headed for yet another kick in the teeth while they're down. What else we got this week? Any good news? Oh that can't be good news. You already said enough words that I know it's not good news but sure do go on. It might not even be news to be completely honest. The

Starting point is 00:01:04 Trump phone no longer promises that it's made in America and also Somebody made their own version of a steam controller to Pretty cool. That's good news. That's fun. That's positive The show is brought to you today by, oh I did it a little early, Rove Lab, Proton, and Thorum, of course, alongside our rap partner Dbrand, our laptop partner Dell, and our chair partner Secret Lab. Let's jump right into what is of course the big news this week. Microsoft has killed the BSOD and introduced the BSOD. That's right after nearly 40 years of blue screens, except for that short period with

Starting point is 00:02:06 Windows Vista, but nobody remembers that. Microsoft has decided that they want to, and this is a quote, improve clarity and provide better information on their kernel panic error screen. So gone is the blue screen of death and in is the black screen of death which will now list the stopcode and the application that triggered it but riddle me this mr. Luke LaFreniere what if anything would have prevented Microsoft from literally putting that information on a blue screen yeah they didn't have to make literally any changes other than just adding

Starting point is 00:02:46 information that should have been there for the last entire amount of time. This is just dumb. I am actually more annoyed than I should be, but very annoyed. Well, I for one am actually pretty happy about at least part of this. Oh yeah, the more information is good. Yeah, the more information is a huge plus. I mean, the number of times that I have encountered an error on a Windows-based system and had it just say, you know, error handling at, you know, 0x0x8322. And you Google it and it's just like there's no information.

Starting point is 00:03:29 It's like, brother, if you know what caused the crash, which you must because there's some kind of code that has to indicate something, tell me. And a lot of the time, you know, I still remember the first time I fired up the reliability history and the... What's the other one? So there's reliability monitor and performance monitor has some reliability stuff in it as well. But the first time I fired up reliability history. And I was like, oh my god, it just tells you in plain text. This was caused by your Nvidia driver Thank you Why wouldn't it just why wouldn't it just say that right on the crash screen where any user would know where to find it like? That's a huge plus. I'm actually I'm actually I'm super down with pretty stoked on like your your take

Starting point is 00:04:20 I just hate when companies take like Everyone liked this. I mean, no one liked, you know, getting a blue screen. No, but they liked that it was the blue screen. It was part of the culture. And you know what? Microsoft, I actually really loved when we went from the old blue screen of death.

Starting point is 00:04:46 The little unhappy face was awesome. To the little unhappy face. I liked that they added the progress bar for dumping the error logs. Just add the info to this. And the funny thing is they actually have always had some information about the error. So, and it's actually here as well, that's a really bad screenshot that we can't really like see, but there is information, they had a QR code. I don't really see the point of losing the iconic blue color.

Starting point is 00:05:17 Just don't change the color. The rest of it's great. I have no issues. Like please, yes, add more information. Fantastic. If the title was Microsoft Upgrades the Blue Screen of Death, it would have just been awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would have been great news. I mean, every time Microsoft has upgraded core operating system utilities, things like Task Manager. Yeah, sweet.

Starting point is 00:05:39 We've met those changes with extreme positivity. In fact, I was, dude, I was back on an older version. I forget what version of Windows I was on, but I was on an older version of Windows. It doesn't have a lot of the new quality of life features of the current task manager. New task manager is way better. And I was like, man. Search, dude? This sucks. Search is like, fantastic. What? Search in task manager.

Starting point is 00:06:02 On Windows? Oh, jeez. Oh, no, no, no, no no no no no no no. Only in the Task Manager. I thought you meant Windows Search. I was like, brother are you actually high? It's not even April the 20th. Like what are you even doing right now? No yeah just in Task Manager. A really old Task Manager didn't have Search. Oh yeah no for, for sure. Yeah, Luke rage baiting, 100%. I wasn't trying to. Okay, our discussion question, and I wanna get into this because I actually think that our writing team is onto something here. Please read entire question before reading. Please read entire question before reading.

Starting point is 00:06:41 Please read entire question before reading. Please read entire question before reading. These are my instructions so I'm gonna ignore them. Microsoft seems scared of their own janky legacy. They mean before reading aloud. When we were working on the Altair sleeper build, the brand asked us not to use Clippy in it because of Clippy's kind of controversial history. But the thing that Microsoft, or at least, the thing you got to understand, Microsoft, huge company.

Starting point is 00:07:21 So there's going to be people at Microsoft that totally get it, all the way to people at Microsoft who don't get it at all, and most people are going to land somewhere in between. So the particular person we were talking with, which I think actually worked for an agency from Microsoft, not even Microsoft directly, tried to talk us out of putting Clippy in that Altair build. But the thing that they didn't seem to be attuned to is that culture moves a little bit faster than corporate policy and people actually like Clippy now. Clippy is like- People like the prequels now.

Starting point is 00:07:49 Kitchy and retro. If Microsoft, seriously, if Microsoft made a desk ornament, giant paper clip with googly eyes and a smile that you could just have as like decor in your home office or whatever, people would legitimately buy that. Like if they did a limited edition Clippy statue. Clippy holds a special place. Dude. Yeah, of course. Would you consider, would you consider like, you know those little vinyl figurines, like little collectible vinyl figurines?

Starting point is 00:08:23 Sure. You don't buy anything, but put yourself in the mindset of someone who buys a thing. Elijah. Okay, sure. Would you, okay, but it can't be Elijah because he's too young to remember any of this stuff. Remember the like, the little dog in the Windows XP search

Starting point is 00:08:38 that would like go get things for you and stuff? Would you buy like vinyl figures of the various XP like search mascots and stuff like that? Like how collectible would that be? As we've established, I don't really buy stuff. But if they're like, you know, we did a long time ago, we had like a desk budget. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:57 If I had a desk budget, absolutely. I would buy that for my work desk for sure. Yeah, the dog, the wizard. The little dog. Get the wizard. The little dog, the wizard, and Clippy, as like a trio would go so hard. That would be so cool. I was reminiscing about the install wizard like last week.

Starting point is 00:09:13 Used to be awesome. So do you think this is part of the same kind of, I don't know what it is, discomfort with sort of troubled parts of your history that we encountered when they didn't want us to have Clippy in the video. By the way, we drew a line. We drew a line. We were like, there were a couple things that were not brand safe enough for them, and we were like, yeah, we figured we probably weren't going to get away with that.

Starting point is 00:09:38 Fair enough. We pulled it out. But they wanted Clippy gone. We said, no! Clippy stays. And we were 100% right. Like the audience fricking loved it. So that was really cool. Microsoft was actually shockingly easy to work with on that. Like every brand, guys, you gotta understand, every brand has their like weird sensitivities

Starting point is 00:09:58 and their history and their policies and all that. So yeah, yeah, 100%. What was I, I had a long conversation earlier this week with Bridget and Sarah from Creator Warehouse. And we were kind of talking about, you know, what do we envision as the brand for CW? Because up until now, CW has mostly been an internal department that creates white label products for LTTstore.com

Starting point is 00:10:27 and for Linus Tech Tips and our various media properties, right? But in the longer term, Creator Warehouse absolutely has the chops to create white label products for someone else or create its own branded entities or whatever, right? If we're talking on a long enough time scale, five years, 10 years, 15, 20 whatever, right? Like, if we're talking on a long enough time scale, five years, ten years, 15, 20 years, right? What could that team not do? What would you look the CW team in the eye and say, no, you couldn't do that? They could probably get a rocket into space. Oh, well, okay. No, I bet you they could. Just not manned. I bet you an unmanned rocket, they could do it. So, well, okay. No, I bet you they could. Just not manned. I bet you an unmanned rocket,

Starting point is 00:11:07 they could do it. So, okay, with that in mind then, it was a really cool, really open conversation. And what we were really focused on is sort of what are our core values? You know, what are the key pain points we're trying to alleviate for the average consumer? And you know, what are the key pain points we're trying to alleviate for the average consumer? And, you know, what should our brand voice be? And one of the conversations that we kind of got into it a little on was around the words geek and nerd. Okay. So I'm not going to say who was on which side because that's not important for the conversation right now. Well, yeah, like I don't want to I don't want people to be like, oh yeah, that person,

Starting point is 00:11:50 they have such a stupid perspective on this or whatever because one of the things that came out of that conversation is that while a lot of people are not offended by them or even self-identify as a keyboard nerd or a tech geek or whatever the case may be, for a lot of people those words are a little divisive. And so one of the things that I think we kind of settled on at the end of the conversation, although nothing's ever really in stone, I think that the world changes and if we're not willing to change alongside it then we're gonna be left behind. But one of the things that was kind of settled on up until now was, hey, that's not gonna be part of like our our CW corporate branding. Maybe you could have like a

Starting point is 00:12:41 super laser focused sub brand that is like, you know, geek wear or, you know, or something like that. Like, and this wasn't even part of the conversation, but like, you know, like super street wear looking, but like everything's a tech reference or something like. You mean tech wear, not street wear, right? No.

Starting point is 00:13:01 I mean like street wear. Yeah, call it like geek wear. And it's like styled like streetwear But it's like everything's got like tech references or something. We wouldn't do that. Like it's a bad idea. Don't worry but just like that's an example of the kind of thing that You know, I think we could be comfortable using a word. Oh, I like that like geek for textiles Textiles Okay. Anyway, anyway spelled to ECH. The point is that we pretty good textiles textiles okay anyway anyway

Starting point is 00:13:25 spelled to ECH the point is that we pretty good for Frank Reynolds in chat it's not me it's good though the point is that every every brand has their own kind of like sensitivities and one of the things that you know not everyone necessarily realized is that those words can be really divisive for people and

Starting point is 00:13:50 sometimes I Think we hear we I think it's easy to project our own feelings on things So, you know for us we're sitting here going. Oh, yeah, the blue screen of death is like cool But that doesn't change the fact that for a lot of people working at Microsoft The blue screen of death could be like a really negative part of their job You know if that's something that they are dealing with basically Constantly is partners customers their own internal support agents Just like just constantly talking about how much they hate this thing because of the negativity associated with it.

Starting point is 00:14:25 Like, it's an emotional connection. Every time you see a blue screen of death, something bad happened. I'm not saying I agree. I think that it's also equally an iconic part of Microsoft's brand. Even the acronym is still the same. Yeah. Yeah. Like, they're not getting away from anything, they just made it boring. Yeah. So, our question is, how do brands navigate the nostalgia for their rocky past while successfully branding for a modern audience?

Starting point is 00:14:57 Embracing failures practically always wins. I think the smiley face was a huge win. I think there are ways... The smiley face was a huge win. I think there are ways. The smiley face was an amazing win. I think there are ways that they could make it even friendlier. I think if you had a rotating, okay, you know how Microsoft has those automatically rotating wallpapers for your lock screen?

Starting point is 00:15:22 You can just tell it, I don't know, you pick a lock screen wallpaper for me or whatever. I think if every blue screen looked a little different like that, that'd be kind of cool. That'd be a way, I'm just saying that's a way to modernize it. Sure. I mean, if you don't agree, I'm open to it. No, just being friendlier in general with it. What do I have a section that literally literally just says what do I do now? Yeah, and then it details like some next steps that you could take something like that Yeah, there's there's a bunch of ways. They could make it better. Just being like oh, we're gonna hue shift it to black is

Starting point is 00:15:58 Not one of them And you know what doesn't make the Trump phone better? It not actually being made in America. The Trump Organization launched a phone and wireless carrier last week with the somewhat not that credible claim that the phone was made in America. Many people, rightly, were highly skeptical of this made in America claim and now the website has removed any mention of that specific claim and replaced it with other things. So here, let's go ahead and let's make our way to the phone and see if we can find some of the differences here. Okay, no.

Starting point is 00:16:46 Proudly American. Is it weird to you that they have a period after premium performance, but no period after proudly American? Uh, I mean, nothing's really... How do you narrow down the things that are random and weird about a page like this? You know, Luke? That's fair. Like, what... Here, hold on, can I zoom? Why am I not able to zoom? Here we go. About a page like this You know Luke fair like what?

Starting point is 00:17:05 Here hold on can I zoom why am I not able to zoom here? We go. What are these dots? Yeah, I don't know I was wondering if that was I feel like that's got to be a reference to something I Mean, I'm not sure what does that no I wouldn't I wouldn't assume that Like this I guess on the one because No, no, those are stars. Are those stars though? I mean, they're certainly not aligned in any meaningful way. Whereas like this seems like it's got similar.

Starting point is 00:17:34 The original 14 states. Yeah, I thought it. Is that what this is? It's something. Is there 14 dots? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, wait, hold on. 13, 14.

Starting point is 00:17:43 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. Okay, okay, okay, okay. 13, 14. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Okay, okay, okay, okay, original 14, six, okay, that's something, that's something. So why are they in a random arrangement? So why is there a period here? Is this for the original Mayflower? No.

Starting point is 00:17:55 No. I'm just asking, I'm just wondering. Okay, so what kind of wording do we have now? Proudly American, designed with American values in mind American proud design that is the biggest load of horse That I think that I have ever seen on a product page But the 13 state stars all the flags they're in a circle. They're not like in a random scattered arrangement What is the reference where they're all just like I don't know Luke. I'm over it at this point

Starting point is 00:18:30 I really don't think it matters that much, okay American proud design What does that mean? American proud design seems like a weird way to arrange that sentence. What else do we have? design seems like a weird way to arrange that sentence what else do we have okay this is great this is great it gets better how it American design it's brought to life right here in the USA what did what do you mean by brought what does brought to life mean with American hands behind every device. Well, someone has to deliver it. I guess.

Starting point is 00:19:08 Somebody's going to deliver it. I guess. We don't have automated deliveries yet. Somebody's got to, you know, move it once it gets to the port. I think, oh, the Verge also noted that the specs have now changed. That happened fast. The screen is smaller than before and there is no RAM capacity specified. Our discussion question is how could this happen?

Starting point is 00:19:30 I mean that's... How do you go as far as launching a phone and wireless carrier? Like you think about the amount of work that even the most lazy of wireless carrier creators would have had to put into something like that to launch a wireless carrier I don't know because they're just on somebody else's backbone sure but you would have had to like have meetings you know how do you manage to do that much work and not manage to know how big the screen of your flagship product launch phone is.

Starting point is 00:20:07 Yeah. Like is it not embarrassing at a certain point? Apparently not enough. Our next discussion question is, how would you approach a loved one who has purchased a T1 phone? You know what? I'm not going to answer that. I'm not gonna answer that I'm not gonna answer that Dan What are we supposed to be what are we supposed to be doing next? Well you've still got

Starting point is 00:20:31 Time so one on another topic sure let's do let's do another topic you want to pick one Do we want to lift me up? Do you want to pick me up? Yeah? Let's do a pick me up. Steam controller electric steam controller to electric boogaloo. Do you want to bring up the pictures? Steam Controller 2, Electric Boogaloo. Do you wanna bring up the pictures? He's doing something else with chats. Tommy B posted a video just over a week ago showcasing their custom Steam Controller 2, which was meant to replicate the Steam Deck's

Starting point is 00:20:54 controller layout, including the touchpads. He built several PCBs and even the touchpads themselves. Built the touchpads themselves? Yeah, that's pretty cool. I didn't actually know that part. Before throwing it into a retro purple transparent case, I've seen that, it looks amazing. Walking through the steps he went through

Starting point is 00:21:14 to get the controller working in games. Look at it. How cool is that? Look at it. It's two halves of a Steam Deck. It looks so sick. It actually looks shockingly usable. Yeah, like wow yeah 100% if valve just released this people would buy the crap out of it

Starting point is 00:21:36 Yeah, probably and like yeah, okay, okay, okay? I get it. It's square you guys it's square There there are probably a few things that could be done to make it a little more ergonomic, but like, foundationally. To be able to couch game without a huge couch commander on games that are not traditionally super great for thumb sticks because you have the touch pads, people would love this.

Starting point is 00:21:58 That's what they really liked about the original Steam controller. You could play games like Civ on your couch easier, which was awesome. And I know Civ has console ports now, but... Yeah, but still, trackpad. Trackpad better. He added a nice touch of having them separate, just like Joy-Cons on a Nintendo Switch.

Starting point is 00:22:19 Yeah, oh, that's so cool having individual batteries in the two sides so you can like That's so cool having individual batteries in the two sides so you can like game like this if you want. You got your track. It can be way more relaxed to be able to put your arms down at your sides. And the best part, everything is open source with lots of other guides in case you want to attempt it yourself.

Starting point is 00:22:38 Here's a question. Hold on quickly. Dan, do you mind throwing the link to his video into both the YouTube and Twitch chats? I threw it in floatplane already. Here's a question. I don't know if there's like a video for us here. That's not really a question. But in a situation like this, say with the Laptop. Oh, yeah, no, this guy's on on our radar. Or this controller. Oh, I don't even necessarily mean in that way.

Starting point is 00:23:03 Oh. Like would it be cool if we just made one following the guide? Um Making one following the guide is that fair to them? But yeah making one away from their video making one following the guide is super cool, but making one by bringing the creator here and cool but making one by bringing the creator here and having them show it off and co-host has two additional benefits number one is we get to highlight a smaller creator yeah cuz that's the core reason why I would want to do it and number two is I don't have to build it he already built it what so you're not gonna build one camera you're just gonna look at his literally He already built it. What?

Starting point is 00:23:47 So you're not gonna build one on camera, you're just gonna look at his. Literally, instead of paying someone on our staff to build one, which realistically is what would probably happen from like a, because it's a cooking show, right, like from a video production standpoint, right? I'm not saying I would never do a DIY project again, I'm just saying that painting my bike almost killed me. I'm just saying that right now I have another project that if I have two hours to dink around with something,

Starting point is 00:24:11 I'm doing that. Also, I still have to upgrade my ally. I have the JSO battery upgrade kit with the back panel and like I got my own project. I do not have a lack of projects, sir. No lack. No lack. I do not have a lack of projects, sir. No lack, no lack. Okay? I refuse, I refuse to shop at IKEA for that particular, for that particular furniture. No lack, no lack guy, okay? Thank you, Dan.

Starting point is 00:24:35 Um. Well, that was very enthusiastic. It fit the rubric. So yeah, so I could either pay someone to build it, or I could pay him to fly up here. No, that's cool. And then we also get to highlight it. I think it's way better. My thing, I get a conflict in my head because I'm like, okay, there's an open source project

Starting point is 00:24:57 that I want people to do more. And it's making a cool hardware thing that is within our realm. Obviously, we should make one in order to boost this. But then the other confusion comes in with this person is also a YouTuber who has their own video on it. So? So I don't wanna take.

Starting point is 00:25:15 Yeah. So it's an interesting concept, but if we fly them up, I mean, that just. Yeah, that just kinda solves everything. Yeah. And then you also can, in some cases, get a little bit of context that wasn't really present in the original video necessarily.

Starting point is 00:25:30 Yeah. No, I mean, there's always the, like, you release a video, start seeing some comments, whatever else, and it's like, oh, yeah, okay, it would've been cool if I said this or said that or whatever. And I like collabing. I like meeting with new people.

Starting point is 00:25:42 I, you know, we don't, we haven't always found the most time for it necessarily, but when we're able to do it, I think it's just, it's a win-win and there's no reason not to. So I think, yeah, I think we'll just reach out and no guarantees, maybe he's- Yeah, that might not be interesting. Or maybe it doesn't work for our schedule, or maybe we realize after chatting that, you know what, No guarantees. Maybe he's- Yeah, that might not be interesting. Or maybe it doesn't work for our schedule or maybe we realize, you know, after chatting

Starting point is 00:26:08 that you know what, his video said everything that needed to be said about it, so there's not really a whole lot more meat on this chicken. So I'm not promising it'll work out, but hey, it doesn't hurt to start a conversation. The worst thing that can happen is we meet someone new. Yeah. Yeah. And we collab and then they hate us forever, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:35 I mean, that only happened once. Yeah. New topic or what? Yes? Sure, you got 13 minutes left we don't want other one Riot Games eSports sponsored by I thought you were picking pick me up topics is there any more in the dock I think so you got like one a month yeah the RTX 5050 is coming out that That's a pick me up? Why? Well, it's a pick up for...

Starting point is 00:27:10 The... Take your time. This last Tuesday, Nvidia announced that the RTX 5050, starting, uh, Nvidia announced the RTX 5050, starting at 240, and I'm struggling today. Their announcement includes lots of charts flexing gains with DLSS, because of course it does, and frame gen, but no direct comparisons with those technologies turned off. So here's the question. Yes.

Starting point is 00:27:43 Has Nvidia learned nothing? I think they learned a lot actually. I think they learned that marketing with DLSS and FrameGen on works. Yeah, I think they learned a ton. I think the community taught them very well, very effectively. Yeah, for sure. It includes 2560 CUDA cores, the same number that was included in the RTX 3050. Let's go! It also uses the same GDDR6 that the RTX 3050 had. Nvidia apparently chose this to be more power efficient, at 130 watts it will still require an external power connector. That's weird I hosted TechLink today and there was a bit of a conflicting story there. Oh. It uses GDDR7 in the mobile variant which was apparently chosen for its better efficiency and uses GDDR6 on the

Starting point is 00:28:43 desktop variant because I guess, who cares about efficiency, you're running a desktop, was the version of things that I heard. Oh! So, basically, man, how can we, oh man, wait, oh man, I was, I was, I missed this part when you were reading through the thing, it actually has the same number of coup de Coors as the 3050 says so in the dock that is actually embarrassing Yeah, so it's like a juiced 3050 But with like more AI

Starting point is 00:29:17 Yeah How am I supposed to be excited about this, Luke? You're not! Let's go. Okay, our discussion question is what GPU would you buy for $250? So here, let's head over to, I don't even know, I always default to Newegg because I'm not actually American, so I don't actually shop at American stores and Newegg was just kind of the go-to for so many years. But where do you guys actually shop now? Because Newegg seems to kind of kind of suck now.

Starting point is 00:29:57 I'm a little scared. I was just gonna say Amazon. Oh, the first answer was Amazon. Okay, there it is. And the second answer was Amazon. Newegg Best Buy Amazon, Micro Center, PC Part Pickers, not a store, eBay, Apple, Apple. Okay, you guys are just trolling. The Micro Center people came in strong, but they also came in late. The Apple responders are faster, which is concerning. Oh, it's probably that Apple Silicon. We should benchmark our fans. Through human benchmark, but for people that are fans of different things and just see who the better fan bases are. This is not dingable. What are you even dingin' right now?

Starting point is 00:30:34 Do human benchmark of Nvidia fans versus AMD fans versus Intel fans and see who the best fans are. What about the AIO fans? No. Stop. Okay, that's a ding. That's a ding. That's a joke I thought you were making. I don't get to ding myself. No, Luke. That is a privilege for Linus and you. No, you have to ding it. I get the sad ding. Oh, you just muted it and then dinged it?

Starting point is 00:30:56 That's rude. That was awful. That was so DP unsatisfying. That was rude to the audience. There you go. Good job. Just abusing the dumb. So what would I buy for 250 bucks? I mean realistically, the ARC B580 is the only

Starting point is 00:31:12 reasonable choice. It's not 250 unfortunately, but it is 250 MSRP, which means realistically the 5050 is probably going to come in at around a similar price. This thing is just such a winner. As long as you have a PCI Express Gen 4 motherboard, so you're not stuck at 8 lanes at Gen 3 speed. And we, I mean, it's been a hot minute, but we did do videos on how to make a little bit more cash. You can legitimately go mow some lawns. You are not seriously referring to the blueberry selling video, are you?

Starting point is 00:31:44 No, we did too. It was part of the same series yeah Linus summer job is that what did we is that what we called it? Oh? Yeah, they are by laptop there. They are we summer job mowing lawns. Can you earn a laptop? summer job selling berries laptop or bust episode 2 man Laptop or bust episode 2 man 800,000 views the mowing lawns one did okay. It actually did kind of okay. I Mean for something eight years ago. It has not idea was this that was me. I think oh, I like it Dude we had little branded shirts. I know I know I wish I still had my shirts from this series mow grass mow problems it was so good dude it was so good why is this the

Starting point is 00:32:32 most replayed part okay so we're coming back oh people are skipping the sponsor spot I think yeah okay but what happened here is This the yard that they finally agreed to let me what no what was that thumbnail? I don't know dude. What a weird video Going door-to-door man it that part sucked that part is terrible Hopefully you know some people in your neighborhood that'll make it a little less weird mm-hmm. Oh dude door-to-door sales is an that'll make it a little less weird. Oh dude, door-to-door sales is an amazing way to acclimate to rejection. No, it was what someone at the door said, I can't come to the door I'm naked. Got it. Wild.

Starting point is 00:33:16 I also found like, like I legitimately did this when I was a kid. I find it's a lot less awkward. I don't know why. What, door-to-door sales? When, if you're trying to like door-to-door sales, like, can I mow your lawn? And you're like, 12? Oh, oh yeah, oh dude, so easy. Dude!

Starting point is 00:33:33 Not only, yeah, people like want to do it. Being a little girl is like, OP. Okay, my, my daughters, my daughters got like, fundraiser chocolate bars. Okay? They got fundraiser chocolate bars. Okay? They got fundraiser chocolate bars. Okay. When I was a kid...

Starting point is 00:33:50 Sorry, keep going. When I was a kid, okay, whenever I got like fundraiser stuff, dude, I could have walked for miles and like struggled to sell like, you know, bars or whatever, right? Dude, we walked like one block and they blew through like 30 chocolate bars. Like every house bought like two or three. I was like, this is ridiculous. All you have to do to kill it as a door-to-door salesman is be a little girl.

Starting point is 00:34:25 Yeah. And they have ways these days. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Right, I keep change in my car because I have a rule that if there's like... You have the same car you've always had. Yeah. Oh my... You keep change in your car. I have a rule that if I drive past a lemonade stand, I have to like stop. That's pretty cool. Usually I overpay...

Starting point is 00:34:54 Wait, did you get lemonade when we saw that place? Yeah. Nice. I was thinking about it and then I was lazy. Yeah. I like have to. Fairly recently, I was driving around with Emma and we saw a lemonade stand and we were not in my car, we were in her car and there was no change and no cash. There was no way

Starting point is 00:35:12 to like buy the lemonade and it like actually genuinely ruined my day. I'm not even kidding because I remember sitting on the corner with Rich, my brother, trying to sell lemonade when we were like 10 because we were trying to sell lemonade when we were like 10, because we were trying to save up for a SNES. And I remember people driving by and thinking like, man, and then there was, I think I've even told you this story. There was one dude,

Starting point is 00:35:34 and I think it was like a Jeep or something with his girlfriend, and he stopped by and was just like super cool. Just like, sup guys? Like, you sell lemonade? And he gave us like way more money than made sense for the lemonade. We gave him extra lemonade and he was like, see ya and took off. And I was like, I want to be that guy.

Starting point is 00:35:51 That's pretty cool. That's who I want to be. That's why I have I have paid his coolness forward and will ideally do so forever. I like it. I like it. I respect it. Yeah. So we're talking about overpriced graphics cards, um, yes

Starting point is 00:36:09 Dan what's next? Help us out here because we're clean We've drifted thank you. Okay, do the other thing if you can even explain properly Merch messages You can even explain properly. Oh, merch messages. Just stop talking to me! Merch messages. Boys, it's a good week to send a merch message.

Starting point is 00:36:32 Three years, here we go. It's finally ready. Three years and countless revisions later. It's finally here. I want one so bad let's watch the video we're gonna watch the video are you ready for the video I'm ready for the video I'm ready to live my old memories with a oh wait what just happened three more years to make a transparent no no start over I missed the beginning okay okay this screwdriver took three years to develop and took three more years to make it transparent. Cool side.

Starting point is 00:37:07 So good. We always knew we wanted a transparent one. So we started working on it at the same time as the original. But one problem. The plastic we used for the original cannot be clear. So we had to find a new plastic to make the transparent screwdriver with. And we did. Fortunately, it was around the same time we were having ratchet issues after switching manufacturers.

Starting point is 00:37:29 It helped us peer inside the mechanism and diagnose the root cause of the issues we were having. But... It was brittle as f***. So it was back to the drawing board. And this is where we stumbled on Triton, a plastic used by some of the world's most popular water bottles and while more durable It does present its own set of challenges It would harden the mold way faster than we would like and this leads to massive imperfections in the plastic This also meant that part ejection was a flippin nightmare

Starting point is 00:37:57 Parts would not come off of our molds without cracking damaging or flying off into freaking outer space and because of the difference in thickness between the top and bottom of our handle, any handle made with this plastic would have weld lines all over it. Not only did we have to make the plastic flow faster into the mold by expanding the entry points, we had to change the end cap mold and make the flow more even from top to bottom of the handle. We didn't want to just make new molds, that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. But with a little bit of SolidWorks and a few modifications to our molds, we could do it for a lot less. All we have to do is replace these parts

Starting point is 00:38:35 and we're ready to make a transparent screwdriver. It may be clear now, but getting here was anything but. And I'm excited to finally get this into your hands. LTTstore.com. Hell yeah. That was cool. Yeah, they did a great job of that. And everything Kyle said was right. Man, there were multiple times when we thought,

Starting point is 00:39:01 you know what, forget it, this just isn't worth it. Like, how can it be, how can it be this much bloody work just to, you know, fire a different plastic into a stupid hunk of metal thing to make the bloody shape? And if we weren't so obsessive about things like those weld lines, we could have been done ages ago. They didn't actually impact the the structural rigidity of the

Starting point is 00:39:27 screwdriver or anything like that. Well what they looked like, what they looked like was a scratch. An imperfection. Or a crack. And if anybody got this thing and it had a crack in it they'd be like I already have a butt I don't need more things with cracks in them No, that's not done even done even it's not worth it. It's not worth it. That does not get dinged Question there's been a few of these questions in full plane chat for sure hit me. So we figured out the material Triton Yes, clear fantastic. I love it. I want one purple Clear purple there's no point hiding the fact

Starting point is 00:40:07 that obviously we thought of that. Yeah. Right, like obviously. You kind of have to. I mean, look, we had come up with the SNES, the retro, excuse me, the retro driver, as well as the Noctua editions before anyone ever suggested them publicly.

Starting point is 00:40:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And those were not the only things that we came up with in our brainstorming sessions. And one of the ones that we obviously thought of was Froback N64 clear transparent plastic colors. Yeah, I think they call it atomic purple. You could call it legally distinct, like nuclear purple. So look, I'm not going to deny that we've thought of it. And now that we have a clear plastic base,

Starting point is 00:40:50 I'm not gonna deny that the chances that such a thing could exist are higher than they were before we had a working clear plastic. This would have to sell decently well. However, well, okay, that, but I hadn't even gotten there yet. So this has to be a commercial success before you see any more clear colors. And number two is that once you add the dye, you can change the flow characteristics again.

Starting point is 00:41:17 Yeah. Okay. So if everything goes great and we don't have to do three years of mold tuning again, then obviously we'd love to do it. But that's not a guarantee right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right now the product we have for sale is the transparent screwdriver. Should we do a little unboxing?

Starting point is 00:41:40 Do you want to do an unboxing? Yeah. Here you go. Your very own transparent screwdriver. Oh, you want me to do it? Yeah, go for it. Oh, it's mine? I mean, it is now.

Starting point is 00:41:46 Taking it home. I mean, you could try holding it up into the frame so people can at least see it. Good Lord. Cute box design, right? Yeah. Shout out Sarah and her team. Actually, I think our packaging game is like

Starting point is 00:42:01 so much better than it was back in the back in the day Well, there we go You get the LTT card. Yeah, heck yeah shows off our bit sets. Yep. What's the QR code for? I don't know. Oh leave a review cool. Thank you. Heck. Yeah, you get your bit loadout. Is it like oh It's a gradient. I see I was like, okay. Yes and you can actually like see through it too, which is pretty cool. There's not like... I mean the box is cool and stuff, but it's sort of right there. Yeah, I mean, look. Personally, I've always been pretty minimalist when it comes to packaging. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:39 I don't like spending a ton of money on something that people are going to immediately throw away. But the team is always kind of pushing back on me for, you know, hey, presentation matters. And I think we've found a good middle ground. There's no waste in there. All of that is recyclable. And I think it looks great. I think they do a really great job of the presentation of the product when you open the box. Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:43:03 I do like that it's like very, like if I put it all back in here, it's just right there. It's just right there. No, they do a really great job. Anyway, it's available now at lmg.gg slash transparent screwdriver. I know I mentioned this I think last week

Starting point is 00:43:18 or whatever the last time we looked at it was, but being able to look like that at the bits that are inside is actually awesome. Hold on, Luke cam. I like it so that I the bits that are inside is actually awesome. Hold on. Luke cam I like it so that I know if there's any missing exactly. I mean for Sony reasons Super use know whether to be triggered or not. I said another set in it We have a bunch of different bit sets You might have more than just one that fits in the screwdriver being able to check

Starting point is 00:43:38 Oh is that one that I'm looking for in here is kind of nice without popping it out every time even though that's kind of Fun in its own, right? Yeah, no, they absolutely killed it on this thing. I'm so excited to finally bring this to market, because we've had, like Kyle said, we've had transparent screwdrivers since before we launched the original screwdriver. But they were just made of a plastic that was so brittle that we couldn't launch it.

Starting point is 00:44:03 And like he said, it was with the transparent selector rings that we were actually able to diagnose the issues we had with the ratchets that were delaying the launch of the solid color screwdriver. So transparent was beneficial to us, both in terms of the coolness factor and in terms of the legitimate aid that it gave us in our product development. Can we get close enough that people can see that? I don't know. You'd have to be like, legitimately close. Tis a good question indeed. Actually here, you know what, yes we can, but I'll have to get up and you'll have to talk through it.

Starting point is 00:44:36 No, no, Dan, you're, I'll need focus. Focus! Oh lordy. Oh, here. Okay, so, ah, it's pretty dark. So are you showing it changing with the selector switch or whatever? Oh yeah, you can't really see it super well.

Starting point is 00:44:57 In person, you can see it very clearly. But like when you rotate it back and forth to either make it so that it twists right or twists left or neutral, where it's fixed and it's not really ratcheting anymore, you can see the selector switch change for that. Again, due to our lighting and the camera setup, you can't really... I mean, you've got like the blank white bit showing right now.

Starting point is 00:45:16 No, no, that's not blank. That's the little spring-loaded dude that gives it the feel. Okay, so yeah, he's showing the the the like haptic feedback of changing the switch right there There's a little metal Spring-loaded thing that you can feel now. This is the part you really can't see that well But that's the rocker. So when you change it to twist left or turn or twist right or the neutral position You can see it turning there. We go. Yeah Yeah, so you can see like a paddle in there kind of flipping to either side. And then there's

Starting point is 00:45:47 also... The function that one serves is that's the reverse mechanism. So one of the things that we modified in our ratchet, one of the things that LTT screwdriver haters love to say is that it's just a Mega Pro screwdriver. Yeah. It's not. Their ratchet goes the other way. And part of what we did was keeping the profile of it the same so that it still fits in this tiny space, but it has that reverse mechanism so that our ratchet goes the direct,

Starting point is 00:46:20 so when you turn the screw this way, you flip the ratchet the same way instead of it being opposite All while staying slim that was one of the things we did and then also the like the tactile feedback on the this little Spring-loaded dude at the back that was really hard to find to hear you were gonna say when you keep rotating Sorry, yeah, there's one more thing you guys couldn't see which is as you're actually ratcheting You can see the little the thing that is making the click you can see it flap yes you can as it as it goes through the teeth yeah which is actually like pretty cool here hold on let's let's try it let's try and get that that's worth catching it's hard to it's

Starting point is 00:46:55 hard to see but it is genuinely pretty cool I think that's sweet I just really like being able to see because when it mentioned like it helped them diagnose the mechanism I was like what oh there we go. Oh, yeah, yeah that works Yeah And then I think if you go the other way it's the one on the other side, right? You'd have to change the direction, but I think it's the one on the other side right you'd have to change the direction but I think it's the one on the other side it's all the way over on the other side of the white piece oh oh oh not there yeah there we go yeah you can see it moving there you go there you go there you go

Starting point is 00:47:51 it's a little hard to capture on camera but it is extremely obvious and he's a scene person this is a consistent issue but yeah it looks it looks awesome very cool that's wicked. Very cool. Someone asked if it feels the same. Yeah. It does.

Starting point is 00:48:10 I think it feels the same to me. Or at least very similar. Yeah, it has the same. The profile is the same. It comes out of the same mold. We made modifications to the mold. They're saying does the plastic result in a different hand feel? No, because the plastic, the plastic hand feel

Starting point is 00:48:25 is from the EDM texturing technique that we do on the inside of the mold. So that roughness is intentional. And the slight sort of blasted look and feel of it is very intentional. It could be completely glassy glassy clear smooth if our mold was completely smooth But we found that this level of roughness and and texture was a little bit nicer for grip on the hand grip Yeah, yeah, not a ton of grip. It's not the grippiest screwdriver in the world

Starting point is 00:48:57 I'm not gonna pretend that it is but it adds just a little bit of a little bit a little bit to it It will probably You know what? I'm not gonna guarantee what'll happen over time But what I have seen is the solid color ones have tended to smooth out with after extreme Oh, so you think that might also happen? I don't know. I'm not I don't know. I will say nothing. I will say nothing Glad you guys like it. It seems like people are Seems like people are super super into it But that's not all We also have the transparent

Starting point is 00:49:32 collection oh my Okay, these are actually pretty cool. Do you want to read out the thing while I will I put them on? Sure also before a question before I start reading that is there gonna be a transparent stubby? question before I start reading that is there going to be a transparent stubby? If the full size, which is our best-selling screwdriver, if the full size is a huge success, then who knows? There could be a stubby, it could happen, I would never say that for certain it would not happen, but we do have to evaluate our products based on their potential for commercial success. And the transparent screwdriver will be the major indicator for whether or not we will see other colors of transparent, assuming that technically it is feasible, and whether

Starting point is 00:50:14 or not we will see other designs in transparent. Yeah. The rest of the blurb. We have two brand new print order designs inspired by the theme of transparency. The X-Ray Vision Officer Zip-Up Hoodie, which is not the first one he's starting with, so I will switch what I'm saying. And the core- No, no, no, yes, I'll start with that one.

Starting point is 00:50:36 Featuring the X-Ray Vision Officer Zip-Up Hoodie, featuring an X-Ray of your favorite Chief Vision Officer and his, or at least his teeth it's you where we got his wisdom teeth pulled improved with three thousand five hundred dollars worth of headgear I saw it on set before we got here I didn't realize who is your... hold on. Yeah, what is the $3,500 for the head? Is that a VR headset? It's an Apple Vision Pro. Oh! That's funny.

Starting point is 00:51:12 So we CT scanned the Apple Vision Pro. I should have seen the earrings. I see it now. There's the earrings right here. Ah, man. I get it now. And then those are my actual, like, dental scans. It's funny because I had the idea when I was- This company is so weird. I had the idea when I was chatting with Lisa,

Starting point is 00:51:34 who wanted to do this kind of cool- Yeah, it looks sweet. Ever since we got the CT scanner, we were like, oh, we should do something with clear something, right? And so she had the idea of doing like, you know, it's like a like a kind of cool skull tech something design. And it was like at the last minute, I think we'd already kind of like approved it. And I was like, yo, Lisa, super weird. But like, if you guys called like my dentist, do you think they just like give you my x-ray scans and then could you like put that into the,

Starting point is 00:52:06 because obviously that's not like my skull head case or you know, whatever, right? So it's like, it's a skull image, but the dental records and the bits that are me are inserted into it. So those are my teeth. Oh, that's funny. Which is flipping wild.

Starting point is 00:52:22 I can't believe my dentist gave them my dentist. Wait, it's not you No, like that like we don't we don't have a clean scan of like my the top of my skull Because they don't take pictures of that when you go to the dentist earrings show up in the dentist. They do Oh, yeah, because it's like this area here, but they don't have like up here Yeah, no reason for them to blast my brain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah have like up here there'd be no reason for them to blast my brain with x-rays. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Narcissus button for what? I don't know, it doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:52:50 I don't know. Anyway, there's, but wait, there's more. We also have... And the Core Memory t-shirt featuring a different angle of that x-ray and upgraded with more core, oh. featuring a different angle of that x-ray and upgraded with more co- oh Okay, don't mind that the print quality is kind of faded on this. It'll be like this one But this is just like this is a test one. These are print to order so they'll ship in a little while But yeah here if we can get a if we can get a closer

Starting point is 00:53:21 Look at this one. You can actually see You can see the earrings and then yep That's my teeth That's my toothies Upgraded with AMD inside of course. Yeah So yeah cool, right? Like it. Yeah, I thought so I thought Lisa did a great job with these Alright, what else we got here? Anyway, all available now at lmg.gg slash transparent

Starting point is 00:53:49 collection. What are we? Complicated. I think I'll probably leave that alone for now. All right, what are we supposed to do now, Dan? Oh, wait, we're supposed to explain merch messages. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, if you wanna interact with the show,

Starting point is 00:54:05 all you gotta do is, hey, maybe by picking up a cool transparent screwdriver. Or pretty cool. Or one of the transparent collection hoodies or t-shirts, just go to lttstore.com, add something to your cart, and you'll see a little box for a merch message. We think merch messages are the best flipping way to interact with the show,

Starting point is 00:54:24 because unlike a Twitch boot or a Super Chut or whatever, um, you can throw money at your screen with a merch message, and even if we don't get to your message, hey, you'll get high quality merchandise in return. A kick chair. A kick chair. A kick-k-k-k-k, what are we talking about? Anyway, the point is that... Sorry, that's a bit of a reference to the pre-show. Or wait, I don't even think that was on the pre-show. I think that was pre-pre-show. No, that was just our conversation

Starting point is 00:54:56 that we had privately. Anyway, the point is, leave a merch message in the cart and it will go to Producer Dan who will oh my god no no one's helping reply to your message or will forward it to someone internally who can help you or might even curate it for me and Luke to respond to on the show somebody links me this we have a video of it how cool is that it's like someone How cool is that? It's like someone did cool stuff. So that's the ratchet reverse. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:30 I'm sure there's also a video on there of the the Flappy panel. Dan, do you want to show them how a merch message works? Yeah, sure. I've got lots here. It's been live for about an hour and we've already got about 300. It's been one every 10 seconds so far. Hey, DLL, excited about the new transparent screwdriver. My original all black driver is still kicking in about to have a brother. Question for Luke, what experience do you have in the DFIR?

Starting point is 00:56:00 DFIR? I don't know what that is. A digital forensics incidence response. What experience do I have? In digital forensics based on that he wasn't familiar with the term. I'm gonna say Not that much cyber security things. Oh, well I mean officially not a lot Wink I mean, officially not a lot.

Starting point is 00:56:25 Wink. Howdy DLL, this will be the sixth screwdriver I've gotten after your support team sent me a new one. I was wondering, is there anything that you have bought multiple times just because you like it? Oh, yeah, almost certainly. Oh man, what am I, there's gotta be. Cereal. Not consumables, damn.

Starting point is 00:56:48 Consumables don't count. Just because I like it. Okay, that's the tough part. Just because I like it. Not because I could use a second one, but just because I like it. I think I have an example. Okay, hit me. These shorts

Starting point is 00:57:12 they're like way too expensive. My whole thing is that I don't spend money. These particular ones are I think 10 years old at this point and I wear literally these particular ones like at least once a week and they still look totally fine. They are just tanks. Okay, does this count? I owned a copy of Final Fantasy 6 when I was a kid. As an adult with I don't even know if I have a working Super Nintendo at home. I bought a cartridge.

Starting point is 00:57:48 But is that more of a collectible? That's a collectible, I think. That's a collectible, because I have no intention of actually plugging it into a Nintendo. But you did technically buy another one because you liked it. I did. I don't know if that counts. Man, I'm trying to think.

Starting point is 00:57:58 I bought another one just because I like it. Yeah, the tall boy shirt. Like I buy multiple, I consider clothing almost a consumable. But I've bought like seven of the exact same one. Okay, tell me this. NPC. I bought five pairs of Yonex's 65WX2 shoes,

Starting point is 00:58:20 but it's because I'm gonna go through them. And depending on their product refresh cycle, sometimes they don't have a wide fit. So I just stocked up on them. Does that count as buying more because I like them? I think the problem with my shorts, your shoes, my shoes, we're treating a thing that isn't generally seen as a consumable as a consumable.

Starting point is 00:58:42 We like it so much that we're- Oh, badminton shoes are very consumable because of the strain from all the lunging. Like, dude, I- Oh, yeah, that makes sense. I should show you what the insides of my badminton shoes look like. They get scuffed, like on the inside. The bottoms are fine because you're playing on

Starting point is 00:58:57 like a rubber corset. Is there an example of something that wouldn't wear out? That I bought another one just cause I like it. Man. It doesn't wear out. It I bought another one just because I like it. It doesn't wear out, it's not consumed. Yeah, like I'd buy one of something just because I like it. You know what? I own more Xbox controllers than I need, just because I like them. Like I bought... Is that for when people come over? No, that is selectable. Not always. So I bought that one, the Project Scarlet one, that was given out to the developers of The I believe the Xbox series X on topic you have a transparent one that looks sick

Starting point is 00:59:33 I do I saw it at your place the other day. I do it looks awesome kind of like immediately Cuz I don't know what you're gonna say so it's cool, but it's uh Yeah, I don't know I don't that might be on the collection side of things. With all this stick drift, people are saying Xbox controllers are kind of consumables. Shhh. It's-

Starting point is 00:59:51 Ooh. Ooh! Yeah, I'm not- Oh. I can't even tell you you're wrong, brother! No, no, no, no. I can't even tell you you're wrong! No.

Starting point is 00:59:58 Oh, lordy. Just cause I like it. I feel like we're putting too many cavias on it Mmm, well their example was the screwdriver which has a utility to it But is not something that you would expect to like die Yeah, there's probably it's probably tools that I own more than one of but I wouldn't say that it's ever happened Just cuz I like it But if you're gonna get more than one of these

Starting point is 01:00:25 you would probably get different versions and at that point are you collecting? I think so. Okay in that case I think my Xbox controller counts. Yeah. Because this could conceivably wear out. That was the direction I was going in. It could be collectible like an Xbox controller would but realistically you can only game with one controller at a time you can only game with one controller at a time. You can only screw with one screwdriver at a time. Well, you know, unless you're... Inside out screw drivering. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:52 Middle out. Middle out. That's right. That's right. I'm going to go with Xbox controllers. It's really stupid. And I actually don't care that much, but I have a bit of a weak spot for cool game controllers Xbox controllers I also I also have a that cool Spider-man PS 5 controller. I like the gears of war Xbox controllers. I've always liked those. Yep

Starting point is 01:01:14 Mmm, I'm not even that into gears of war, but I really like the controllers German says children. Yeah, I I did like I did like my children. So I got another one. Yeah that happened Yeah, I don't buy them though. I don't buy them. I just, there's other ways. He rents, it's Vancouver. It's very expensive. We'll explain it to you.

Starting point is 01:01:32 We'll explain it to you when you're older. I might, it might be a little warm for me to wear a hoodie right now. Let's throw another one in here, just because we have a couple. Dear Dynas, Duke and Lan, I work in the defense industry, working as a senior engineer, trying to push teams to embrace

Starting point is 01:01:47 New tech what are your experiences you've had to trying to modernize how people work? I knew I Knew Luke would have this reaction Yeah, I'm gonna take it off a long walk off a short pier Do you have any thoughts Dan? I haven't thought in months. How is it trying to... Most of my brain is just whiskey

Starting point is 01:02:19 So Dan has been trying to... I picked the wrong month, the Saab Huff and Glue At Linus Media Group incorporated We use office 365 Google workspace slack Trello Monday.com Asana, right near Miro Jot form Google forms Google Calendar

Starting point is 01:02:42 Under Google Drive PowerPoint one drive Raw Word documents, some people use, what's that thing called? There's Obsidian and then there's also the other one, I don't remember the name of, and people use both of them. Notepad, anything you could possibly, Notion, there we go, thank you. People use anything you could possibly imagine that has a Trello, or a... Text input. Kanban board on it.

Starting point is 01:03:14 And anything you could possibly imagine that has a text input. And anything you could possibly imagine that has a calendar. In my meeting with Sarah, who I am going to call out here pretty hard. In my meeting with Sarah, she was taking meeting notes in Illustrator. That is so based. Luke, let's put that in our SOP. As a designer, that's kind of sick.

Starting point is 01:03:38 It's vector based, lossless notes. She'll never lose them. So Dan, through a no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, called Airtable. And it went flawlessly.

Starting point is 01:04:10 Okay. In fairness to the people who were being asked to modernize their workflows, sometimes there might've been some issues with the workflows and I'm not gonna attach blame to any particular party. I have personally found some bugs that maybe they were, maybe they could have been predicted. Maybe they couldn't have So I I think that Rolling out new workflows and new tools can be a challenge on stuff both sides

Starting point is 01:04:35 There are entire companies that you can come contract in for hundreds of thousands of maybe over a million dollars to help you do To manage change. And it's tough and some people do better with it and some people don't. And it's part of the process and it's painful. Heck yeah. Let's go. Heck yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:58 So yeah, it sucks. And that was, I mean, this is a very dramatic, very difficult version because we just did everything. This isn't like, like getting the writers to change from Word to Google Docs had pain involved. Yeah. But like was fine. No, it was not that bad.

Starting point is 01:05:15 Cause it's not a huge deal. Yeah, that and like Google Docs in time has gotten a lot more usable. It wasn't that pleasant to work in. Except for search. Search has gotten worse. The search company doesn't seem to be able to do search anymore.

Starting point is 01:05:33 I know. I'm seriously considering switching to DuckDuckGo just to get away from AI summaries. Some of the default sorting to, sorting by relevance, will like, was it you that I was talking to when I was showing that screenshot of my search results in my inbox? I was searching for like flight or something like that.

Starting point is 01:05:50 Oh, dude. And it didn't have my most recent one that was marked unread, but had like old like ticket itineraries and stuff. What are you? Dr. Gohe's AI summaries? Oh wow. I didn't know that. I actually did not know that either.

Starting point is 01:06:04 Welcome to current year If you can turn them off or something. Yeah, there's no escape Yeah, dude, I I constantly get flack cuz I'll be like, hey Can you like link me that doc that you have open and they'll be like, oh you're shared on it Oh my god, like no that makes me scream sure, but I can't find it Can you just link it to me? I need the link It's it's not gonna come up. I will literally search for the title of the document in my Google Drive and then show them my laptop and be like,

Starting point is 01:06:33 I believe you that I'm sharing on it, but like I cannot find it. I don't know. Speaking of not being able to find things or speaking of AI summaries on the modern internet, let's talk about house fresh highlighting more issues with the modern internet. If you're not familiar with house fresh, they were featured very prominently in this video on our channel this week that gained a little bit of momentum and I think really resonated with the audience in a big way. Great video by the way. Oh yeah, thank you. I thought Elijah and the HouseFresh team did a tremendous job. It's fantastic. In a nutshell, HouseFresh reviews air purifiers and they ended up embroiled in some legal trouble over

Starting point is 01:07:19 accusations that they were treating a particular brand unfairly and we kind of dig into, we talked to HouseFresh, we talked to the brand that has been legally involved with them and dug as best as we could to find the full story. Anyway, what we kind of, the basic conclusion that we came to is that companies suing independent reviewers over results that they don't like or agree with is

Starting point is 01:07:52 not good. Yeah, and not going to be tolerated and just days later house fresh highlighted another issue with Modern trying to be a reviewer that could be a major problem. So it's actually this tweet right here that prompted me to flag this for the WAN Show crew, what they're calling the great decoupling. And I'll get into a little bit of the more detailed bits in a second here, but what you're looking at here is clicks versus impressions. So obviously impressions would be the bigger number

Starting point is 01:08:30 over here and clicks would be the number over here. So impressions are purple and clicks are blue. And even when they were like shadow banned in Google, these numbers track together. Your impressions go way down so your clicks go way down. And then there was a recovery, but then ever since about February of this year, there's been this this phenomenon that has been accelerating called the great decoupling, when instead of these things mostly tracking up and down together, they now have a very substantial spread between them. And the culprit appears to be AI summaries.

Starting point is 01:09:12 So here, I'll read through the thing. So they show the difference between impressions and clicks that are growing farther apart, mainly due to AI overview results in Google. So instead of search engines referring people to the original source material from which they got their information, they're basically just scraping the page, spitting that back out to whoever's searching for it, and then no longer referring anybody through to the original source, which means no ad revenue. no revenue whatsoever because it's- Which means death for most of these companies.

Starting point is 01:09:47 It's not like they're paying licensing fees for this content. I mean, we talked last week about what this is gonna mean for news organizations, but, and you know, I guess you could actually probably kind of classify House Fresh the same way. I mean, it's news, kind of, about how good a particular product is.

Starting point is 01:10:04 Okay, it's not quite news, but I think you guys can understand the parallels here and the impact that it would have on a news organization and also on a review organization. Our discussion question here is like, what do? What does someone like House Fresh do? How do they survive when they're not getting clicked through? What would stop Google from taking the affiliate revenue even? Spitting out the AI summary, including affiliate links. Because that's how someone like a House Fresh survives,

Starting point is 01:10:41 is they objectively test a particular device, and they say, hey, if you like what you saw, here's the affiliate link. That's how they make their money. There's a couple of people in full plane chat saying, how do you even, how do you know it's definitely the AI summaries having this effect? What else changed? And like, have you analyzed how you use the internet these days? Like this is a,

Starting point is 01:11:03 this is an extremely palpable change. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't caused more of an effect. Like I that's uh I yeah I don't know. Google changes the algo all the time. Yeah and you can go back through the history of algo changes and watch that those two things match each other. House Fresh is not the only ones talking about this. And then suddenly it decouples and the change that lines up with it is AI summaries. This is like, I don't know, man. I don't know how much more you need. What is this going to mean for the lab?

Starting point is 01:11:39 This doesn't mean anything new for the lab because I knew this the whole time. Pretty much. We've talked about this pretty extensively in the past how the direction AI was going At the end of the day, you were just gonna ask your LLM, you know Hey, what computer should I buy and it'll scrape the crap out of our results And all we can really do is create formats that are more engaging than interacting with an AI chatbot and I think that's something that we have a lot of good ideas for how to do but It will take time. I know the lab's been going really slow.

Starting point is 01:12:18 If anything, I think our error with the lab was trying to go too fast. So if we do anything with respect to, with respect... So if we do anything I don't have with respect to with for If we do anything around speed it will be continue to slow down Things have been pretty good. It's not moving crazy fast, but like line has said that's My design I know there was there was a post on the subreddit recently. I I Lost my like actual official reddit account. Really? Yeah. Why? I can log into it on Geodude. Like on your computer at home? Or your old computer? My old computer. But

Starting point is 01:12:58 there's no way to recover the account. I cannot for the life for some reason it's not in my password manager I have no idea why. So wait, you don't mean you can log into it. You mean you are logged into it. It's session logged. Yeah. So I can open my browser, go to Reddit and I'm in the account. But there's no, I can't set a password. I can't assign an email to it. There's no single sign-on that is attached to it. It doesn't seem to be attached to any email. I think like way back on Reddit, you could make accounts without assigning them to emails. And for like privacy reasons, I just did that. But I can't retroactively assign

Starting point is 01:13:36 it to an email now. And I have no idea what the password is. It's not on my password manager. I have no idea what's going on there. I Need to make anyone but I wanted to I want to probably have a reddit contact like we could probably get some sort of note Yeah, but I wanted to respond to that thread but couldn't but anyways There was a thread talking about how the labs is is moving slow and what I was gonna essentially answer with is yes Absolutely, and I cannot promise it will move faster. I can probably promise it will continue to not move faster. But there is really cool plans. We're probably going to be making a video on it soon. We're doing a lot of hiring a lot, which is I'm kind of like if we if we make a video on this, there's gonna be a bunch of blurry people. And I was I was thinking of just having like titles over their heads. Nice. So you can tell what we're hiring

Starting point is 01:14:25 and kind of what they're gonna be doing, but it's a bunch of people that are technically still on probation. They're doing like Sims with a little diamond above them. Yeah, and there's some cool stuff coming down the pipe too. It's been good. It's just speed is not really gonna be the name of the game.

Starting point is 01:14:41 Eventually we wanna get, when a vertical is up to speed, the output of reviews within that vertical ideally will be pretty high. But the speed of adding new verticals especially, that is not going to speed up. Yeah, I'm very happy with where the lab is at right now. All right. Well, let's talk a little bit more about AI stuff. Oh. After we do our sponsors. Okay, ah, dang it, this topic. Wait, we didn't even finish the announcements. I will get to them.

Starting point is 01:15:12 This topic transitions so well into the next topic I wanted to do. Okay. So, you and I have kind of seen it coming for a long time, that AI is just gonna be scraping every website and is going to be just making that content its own. And if anything, it looks like if legal precedent is what I understand it to be, that's going to get easier for AI companies. A federal judge in California has ruled that using copyrighted books to train AI models

Starting point is 01:15:48 is their use, as long as you purchased them. But pirated books, those are still off limits. The decision sided with Anthropic, stating that transforming legally bought physical books into digital formats for AI training is spectacularly transformative and therefore qualifies as fair use Fair use here was upheld even though the entire book was copied because the AI model doesn't reproduce the book's contents or, and this one, this is where I kind of go,

Starting point is 01:16:28 mm, or compete with the original work. Yeah, that second part doesn't seem legitimate or true at all. Another key part of the ruling is that converting a legally bought print book into a digital file, even just for saving space or search ability is itself considered a transformative fair use. That's interesting. That's very interesting to me because every time I ever opened a book it said something, something, reproducing this in any form, would any form, is prohibited by law. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:17:07 The judge emphasized that this print to digital conversion is separate from broader LLM training and qualifies as fair use for its own reasons. Shall we allow that to sink in for a moment? It's very interesting. Shall we allow that to sink in for a moment? It's very interesting. Our discussion question here is a couple of hypothetical scenarios that I kind of came up with as I was reading this when I was going through topics for WAN today. If making a digital copy of a book you bought is fair use, could this apply to backing up Blu-rays then,

Starting point is 01:17:46 bought is fair use. Could this apply to backing up Blu-rays then? So that I can watch them on my Plex on whatever screen and whatever codec that I deem most convenient for myself. But my understanding is that in certain jurisdictions that is in fact not allowed because just like with a book, when you buy a movie, you are not in fact buying the movie, you do not own the movie, you are buying a license for which that disk is a physical key to use that media in the way that it is licensed for. Like for instance, and you can not like this and you you cannot agree with it and that's totally, totally your thing. Go for it. You cannot like it, but when you buy a Blu-ray at Willow Video, you're not allowed to like host a public event in a public space and exhibit that Blu-ray. You're not allowed to rent a commercial, a little commercial property, set up a big, you know, buy High Senses 110 inch

Starting point is 01:18:46 TV, put it in the front, get some folding chairs, and make a little theater, and then charge people admission to see it. You are not, you do not own a commercial license to that work. So to me, So to me, unless you are buying a commercial license for the book, I don't see how those two things can both be true, if that makes sense. I'm not saying one is right or one is wrong even. I have my opinions, but what I am saying is that those two things cannot coexist. A movie, a work of creative art, being licensed only for personal use and not for reproduction or public display, and a book that is licensed only for personal use and not for reproduction or public display, should not have such dramatically different rules applied to them.

Starting point is 01:19:46 Somebody needs to do some prompt engineering and get it to output the entire book. Obviously not at once, it won't do that, but if you could get it to output the entire book like paragraph by paragraph and then prove the output, I feel like you could dunk this. So I had another hypothetical question here. So my understanding is a big part of the argument from the judge is that it doesn't output the entire Book like you said, but here's the thing even if it only output pieces of the book like So it's still ingesting it for commercial use and reselling it

Starting point is 01:20:22 So my so my second hypothetical example is okay so by that logic, could I take that disastrous garbage dumpster fire of a trilogy, the Hobbit movies, fan edit them into a single movie, and then as long as what? I bought three Blu-rays, like, sell the output? That's crazy! Yeah. And I'm not saying it's crazy. That'd be awesome, because it'd probably be really good. No, I'm not saying it's crazy like no one should do it. I'd watch the crap out of that. Oh yeah. I'm saying it's crazy in the context of copyright law as I understand it at the very least. And look, I'm not a legal scholar. What's up?

Starting point is 01:21:06 Wann bingo chronified in full plane chat said, holy **** I just typed read me the first chapter of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone into meta AI and it actually worked. So yeah, get it to output the whole book over time, log the outputs and uh... Disney will love that. Let's blow some stuff up. Dude, that's wild. I think you- I- I- this is- this is not a question, it's a request.

Starting point is 01:21:30 Like, I hope that somebody goes through the work of doing that. Um, because I- I think you just immediately dunk this court case by doing that. Yeah, how would it know what the book says? Well, no, it- what? No. If they didn't steal it. What? You haven't heard the topic, have you? I just reproduced the whole thing. Maybe Mariah-

Starting point is 01:21:51 Mariah- I've read an eighth one. Dan? Eight? Anyway, um, that's I think all I have to say about that. I- F-F- Dan is hallucinating because he's an AI could be I Can't do m-dashes in person. It sucks The show is brought to you today by our sponsor

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Starting point is 01:26:01 That's more of an ICP kid, but you know blink 18ink 182 is valid. Were you? More than I'd probably like to admit. Like legitimately? Yikes. They're so sweet. They're like the best, they're the best group of people. Alright. Dude, I dropped the intro to an ICP song in the livestream yesterday just to see if Elijah would have any idea what I was talking about. Like one person in the livestream yesterday just to see if Elijah would have any idea what I was talking about like One person in the entire comment section had any idea what I was talking about is insane Yeah, that's the least thing I was ever gonna expect out of your mouth. What no, I'm not surprised at all I see he he says he's yeah, he would definitely fit into that crowd. Yeah, he's very sweet. I laughed you I did like some other songs But yeah blink money to use my favorite band for like ever

Starting point is 01:26:47 somebody said one of my friends sent me a screenshot recently that showed What was it like? Classic music something like that On like a you know song selector thing and it was blink 1a2 classic. It was something I don't remember golden hold these let me find it. Let me figure out exactly what it was. I'm old now. Classic alternative? Like, what- what is- Yeah, let me-

Starting point is 01:27:10 Like, what would- what would Blink be? I'm gonna dig it up. That's a... huge yikes. It crushed my soul a little bit. Did he even send it here? Yeah, I think classic stations are like- People are asking me what a juggalo is. Oldies! I don't know.

Starting point is 01:27:30 Oldies. But I do know that he walks through the streets winking at freaks with a 2-liter stuck in his butt cheeks. Yeah, I remember that line. But yeah, oldies, look. Oh wow. All the small things. Oldies. Wow wow all the small things oldies Wow

Starting point is 01:27:46 huge yikes rough rough all right Oldies stations like the best of the 70s 80s 90s and 2000 For all you new fathers out there Remember going to the club fathers out there remember going to the club Britney Spears toxic equals classical music now yeah no I don't think I can handle that Spice Girls I don't think I can handle that stop

Starting point is 01:28:14 right now thank you very much I don't get a ding for that? Sorry. Fine. I'm still learning the new rubric. This is very difficult. All right. Do I ding? Do I not ding? OK, what are we supposed to be doing? Oh, merch messages.

Starting point is 01:28:33 We should definitely do some more merch messages. Yeah, you want to hit us with some merch messages, Dan? Yeah, sure. Well, wait. Hold on a second. Uh-oh. We still haven't done the rest of the announcements. Let's do a merch message or two first.

Starting point is 01:28:44 All right. Aidan, the man in the other two Let's do a merch message or two first. All right. Aiden, the man in the other two absolutely love the cargo pants. Have you seen an uptick in sales since the Shift fashion review? Also more colors of the new shorts plant? I don't think we've seen any impact on sales one way or the other since the Shift fashion review. Still cool.

Starting point is 01:29:00 Yeah, yeah. I mean, like I said, it's super neat that we're even in the same conversation as like global brands. I believe that the Creator Warehouse team has shot their video sort of looking at some of what Shift Fashion said, responding to some of it. I haven't actually watched it yet. I think it's still in the editing queue. So that'll be coming up on Float Plane sometime in the next little bit.

Starting point is 01:29:24 LMG.gg slash float plane. And then it will also be going live on LMG clips, which is where when clips go, just so that I think the optics of us responding on a paid platform would maybe not have been that great. So we're going to have it available for free. I don't know if it'll be up on LMG clips forever. I think a lot of the time when we put exclusives up on LMG clips, they don't stay up forever. So I actually literally do not know what the plan is there, but we are going to have. I think the biggest thing is it doesn't like really make sense to be a mainline LTT video. But then like, it doesn't make more sense. Someone disagrees with me on cotton poly blends. So we're going to make like an LTT video. I don't see how that's valid our

Starting point is 01:30:07 Response. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah battle of the fabrics I'm sure people would care just maybe not our people. Yeah, someone someone would care someone would care a lot. Yeah Sure, hey dot DLL, can we take a moment to rant about Google TV OS? Why do smart TVs only last a couple years? Bring back the plasma, colon capital D, period. Love the videos and physical products. Keep them. You know plasmas were like, had longevity issues, right? That was like- Notoriously.

Starting point is 01:30:46 Like that was like the drawback of them. Yeah. Other than the cost. Was it ironic? Were they being a funny person? I don't think so. Were they being a silly haha? They might've been.

Starting point is 01:31:00 If we look at context and assume that they're, they have all of their brain. I'm actually not sure if I agree that smart TVs only last a couple of years either though, because you can, even if your OS goes out of date or, you know, gets like kind of laggy and unresponsive, most modern smart TVs that I've interacted with have a mode where you can set them to fire up just on one of their inputs and then you can just get like an Android TV box and then you Like can just run that. That's how my C2 works. Yeah, I feel like TVs have been pretty solid.

Starting point is 01:31:35 I mean until you break yours. That was not me. That was not me Really? You're gonna throw your SO under the bus rather than just take it like a man? I also didn't say... I just said it wasn't me. Well you're the only two people who live there. You're gonna throw your bird under the bus? Maybe it was a bird. Maybe a bird ran into it.

Starting point is 01:31:55 A 26 gram budgie. Managed to break your television. Yeah, but you should have seen the other guy. One of them got out trying to give medicine or something. I don't remember what was happening, but one of them got out in a bathroom and it kept flying into the mirror lightly. It didn't have a lot of distance to really get up to speed, but it kept flying into the mirror, kind of bumping it, thinking that it could fly there. Could it?

Starting point is 01:32:24 Once it landed, classic budgie, it's all like scared and stuff, it lands, sees itself in a mirror and immediately is like, friend? Hello, I'm making friends now. Anyways, sorry, no one cares. It was funny. One more. Hey, Duke Leonard and bread, RSVP'd to a wedding, but found out someone I really dislike is going. What should I do? Go anyways. He asked the anonymous button hasn't worked

Starting point is 01:32:49 on a merch message for a while. Oh. Yeah, none of these are anonymous. Oh wait, here's one. This one's anonymous. Okay, skill issue. Maybe you could just type the name anonymous. But it could actually be a problem, so maybe.

Starting point is 01:33:03 We can look into it. Someone I really dislike is going. Okay, well I do have actually some pretty good advice for this. That person you dislike, don't f*** them. Oh, damn it. Don't hook up with them at the wedding. It's good advice. It's good advice. Where were you a decade ago?

Starting point is 01:33:26 Yeah, see? I could have saved you, Dan. I could have saved you. Thanks. I ruined a reception. More advice. More advice. Okay?

Starting point is 01:33:37 Don't strip down. Don't strip down in the middle of the wedding. And if you do, don't dance. Don't dance on the table. Okay, in all seriousness, it's not your day. Yeah. It's the couple's day. If they want you there, then, you know what, do your best if you absolutely can. I mean, I don't think it's like it like if you cannot attend this event without, you know, fighting this person, that then don't go, right? Because don't do anything that would disrupt. Yes, it is not your day,

Starting point is 01:34:20 it is their day. But with that in mind, it is their day, it is not your day. Pete If they really want to fight, have a pre-written, in an envelope, invite to them. And if they start making a thing, hand them the envelope, and the envelope is a time and place. Jared And so, if you want to, if you want to be there to support them, because they obviously want you there, otherwise they wouldn't have sent you an invitation, then you should just, you could politely ask to be seated at a table as far away from this person as the venue allows. And unless it's a-

Starting point is 01:34:50 Pete Slauson Don't ask the bride and groom. Jared Slauson Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ask like a bridesmaid or like someone in the, it's one of the groomsmen or something. And if that absolutely cannot be accommodated because it's a super small wedding or something like that, then you just, you have to make the choice that's right for you. I would recommend if you are not able to attend, you know, send like a nicer gift, you know, at least so you can show you were thinking of them, you know, drop them a note on the day, send them a gift that's kind of on the nicer side. Just make some effort, make some effort, that's all.

Starting point is 01:35:23 Don't be dramatic. Yeah. Oh sure yeah. Finish announcements maybe? Um, no. What are you doing? My job now? We're gonna get yelled at so much. Sammy just appeared like Slenderman a second ago. He did? What is he still doing here? He should go home. Judging you for not doing the announcement on time? There's never been a better time to subscribe to Float Plane. And here's three reasons.

Starting point is 01:35:51 One, tons of amazing content exclusives coming up. We have an upcoming Linus and Taryn, our CEO, interview to Mark Taryn's two-year anniversary on July 1st, that dropping the same day. Oh, okay, so that's coming out on the same day as his two-year anniversary. We also have Linus reacts to awkward staff interactions. Oh, we shot that ages ago. I've actually talked about that on WAN Show. That was very uncomfortable for me to watch. Very uncomfortable for me to watch. I was watching people describing their first time meeting me and how awkward I was. We also have the I spent 24 hours with Linus in Taiwan. Fake news. The last two are coming out during Lime Day.

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Starting point is 01:38:04 by going to lmg.gg slash float plane. Evil Fuzzy asks, what about the $3 OG subscribers? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Don't worry, we got you. All right, topics. You ready for a topic? Yeah. Tesla has launched RoboTaxi, kind of. Last Sunday, Tesla launched, sort of, its highly anticipated RoboTaxi service in Austin, Texas. This launch included a limited geofenced area of Austin that has been thoroughly mapped by Tesla and it was available by invite only. So we've got a link to the geofenced area and then we have a Google Maps link for reference.

Starting point is 01:38:47 So I'm just gonna pull these up here and screen share with you guys. So here's Google Maps and here is the Tesla area. Oh wow. Is that as small as it looks? It's not all of one city. Oh, it's not even close to all of one city. It's like, yeah. What are the city limits? What am I even looking at here? So here... A map. Wait, where's the 290?

Starting point is 01:39:30 Okay, why am I looking at these layers? Okay, so Lake Shore Boulevard is here. Why am I having such a hard time with this? Did I zoom in on kind of the wrong spot? Uh oh, I think I might have lost it. Why am I having such a hard time with this? Did I zoom in on kind of the wrong spot? Oh, I think I might've lost it. Here it is. Okay, I think I got it now. So basically it's just along.

Starting point is 01:40:01 It's just along here. Why is the 35 not labeled here? What is this one? Is this like 71 or 290 or something? What is this? Okay, I'm so confused. Oh, here's the 71. Oh, okay. No, it's a little bigger. It's a little bigger than I thought. It's a little bigger than I thought. Okay, here we go. Here we go. Here we go. So the 71 here, where it converts to the 290, that's right here. There we go. We've managed to map this out here. And then it kind of goes up to here and kind of to here. So it doesn't make its way into Rollingwood here. So that's...

Starting point is 01:40:36 Wow. So it's this little chunk of Austin right here. Cool. Can we see it? I mean, that's something, you know, right? That's kind of something. So if we go to the satellite view, yeah, I mean, oh yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 01:40:58 I was gonna say, I mean, that's most of the like populous areas, but Austin's a really big city. Wait, this isn't still Austin, is it? No, it can't be. How big is Austin? Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay. Neat. So that's cool. A number of kind of pro-Tesla influencers received invites for the service, and Tesla has not stated when the service will be available to the general public. The trial includes 10-20 Model Y vehicles that have a RoboTaxi decal on the side of the vehicle, and cars included a Tesla-employed safety monitor in the front passenger seat that can react to dangerous situations by pressing an emergency button.

Starting point is 01:41:51 Got it. All fares within the service area were set to a flat $4.20. And there are multiple videos of passengers live streaming their experience from start to finish. There were some issues with one passenger finding their Tesla at the pickup location. This is like Pokemon hunting, one person on Herbert Ong's live stream said, but it's like RoboTaxi hunting. And the riders were asked by the safety monitor to show identification when getting into the

Starting point is 01:42:22 vehicle. Once seated, the rear screen instructs riders to fasten their seat belts and presents a start ride button. Because riders booked the car through the Tesla app, their preferred music app is available on the rear screen with playlists and safe tracks. That's pretty cool. The rear screen also includes buttons for support if you ever need assistance or pull over to end the trip early. Most riders described their trips as smooth and uneventful, although there are a few clips where less than perfect behavior was caught. So Dan, I actually need your help for this bit,

Starting point is 01:42:58 because we don't want to watch these videos on the WAN show, because that would be rude. So what we're going to do instead is we're going to link everyone and we're gonna have a little watch party. Yeah, so if you could link them to the first one first, we're gonna start watching together. So Luke, do you want to load it up? Sure, one sec. Okay, and ready? Luke? Yep. And play. Okay. Oh wow, it was going really slow Okay, so that's what we're supposed to see What so the Tesla and the left lane is one of the one of the cyber cab Tesla's oh not the car that's driving

Starting point is 01:43:58 Okay, I was driving seemed the car that's driving seems to be doing fine But that one in the left lane is going like super slow Okay, got it interesting I mean I would say that that's probably not the end of the world as far as things go okay number two ready and go oh boy I got an ad brilliant Brilliant. What happened in this one? I'm behind you. It's kind of brake slams it seems. Oh wow. I don't have audio but I think that's what happened. Yep. Just for reasons.

Starting point is 01:44:35 I mean okay again I'd rather it you know stop for reasons, rather than accelerate for reasons, so that's something. Number three is a safety monitor intervening for a UPS truck that is backing up. So we can see this is from Dave Lee. And it's going, it's going, it's going, it's going. And it's going, it's going, it's going, it's going. And this UPS truck is coming. Here it comes. Here it comes. We're just we're chilling.

Starting point is 01:45:13 We're chilling. We're chilling some more. We're just going to chill here. These are the kinds of edge cases though that are... The reason that I just... It cuts to the outside when it drives away? Yeah, but the safety monitor doesn't appear to be in the passenger seat anymore there. So he's driving.

Starting point is 01:45:39 I'm gonna double check. That's sure what it looks like to me I'm gonna zoom I can't see very clearly that's what it appears to be to me and then our are we've got another one that is definitely parked in a parking spot for drop-off Let's have a look here. So that's number four. Oh wow. Sure. Wow is that, is that a handicapped spot? That it's like not in at all? I was watching the other one still. Okay. Sorry, I'm trying to figure out some stuff. Okay. And you know what? Grand scheme of things, these are all pretty, these are all pretty small issues. I'd be interested to see, yeah, like for the amount of rides that they did and the duration of it. Like what the

Starting point is 01:46:37 intervention rate is? And like those types of failures and then look at humans driving in the same area for the same amount of time and the types and severity of the problems that were caused by them. Now, I do agree. I fully expect if we're going to have some robotic thing driving, I'm not okay with it having the same amount of problems that humans have, especially because like something has to be responsible and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. But I am still interested just purely in what those stats are. Charge Nuclei8300 says, RoboTaxi is allowed to use handicap parking.

Starting point is 01:47:18 The driver has no legs or head. That's pretty good. OK. That makes sense. That's pretty good. Okay. That makes sense. That makes sense. Discussion question. Yeah. Would you use a service like this in a well-mapped area?

Starting point is 01:47:32 Do you think there is opportunity for this to work in a busy or challenging environment? Waymo. Okay, but let's, okay, okay. Let's maybe, let's not, I'm gonna tweak the discussion question a little bit because Waymo very clearly has the lead here. Yes. They are actually operating unsupervised. And when you factor in how few of these cybercabs are actually roaming the streets in this very limited geographical area. And then if you look at the tweet of the launch party and how many remote

Starting point is 01:48:07 operators are waiting to take over these things, it's not one-to-one, I don't think, but they're ready for basically them to not be working, pretty much. And that does not show a lot of confidence in the actual autonomous functionality of the product. To be clear, Waymo has the ability to intervene remotely in the operation of their vehicles. But my understanding is that it's not such a high ratio of available operators to operating vehicles. I don't know if you're trying to meme or not, Bubbly Charizard, but the Skytrain being fully autonomous does not mean that it's the equivalent to cyber taxis It's on rails literally there's no traffic literally it's on rails

Starting point is 01:48:59 Yeah Well so that people won't sleep on it because of reasons, I guess. So more specifically, if Tesla was available here, if a CyberCat was available here and Vancouver was sufficiently mapped or whatever, would you get in one? No, not at this time. I'm not against it forever, but not at this time. That was a very small amount of testing to have a significant amount of what seemed like issues that should be solved, in my opinion. No, they didn't smash in anything, which is great.

Starting point is 01:49:43 The really curious thing to me is a big part of Tesla's pitch over the years to investors and owners of their vehicles has been that they're going to own the race to mapping data by just having all of the drivers of all the millions of cars that they've sold driving around, mapping these areas. And the way that the goalposts have

Starting point is 01:50:05 moved for the launch of this product has been pretty remarkable for me to behold. And I've just got to wonder, like, is it just that investors don't have the tech savvy to fully understand what it is that they're looking at and how different what they've deployed is here compared to Waymo and even compared to what they've promised in the past like Why did they need to do so much manual mapping of this area if their whole leadership in this space Is that they should have the data already and the claim being made by their CEO is that well because we have all this Mapping data we're gonna be able to roll out new areas like fast There's gonna be thousands and thousands of these cybercabs on the road

Starting point is 01:50:46 at some period, X, Y, Z. But I just, I don't understand how we keep believing these claims, you know, fool me once, shame on, shame on me. No, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. But like, what about the like 12th time I've've been fooled like how who's accountable at that point? You for sure

Starting point is 01:51:13 Just saying There's been some comments about it. I would get in one I wouldn't use the service. Those are different things How wait how are those different? I'm having a bit of a hard time with that. Like if I was at an event, like if we were at CES. Oh, in like a controlled environment. Eh, it's not so much the risk. I just, I don't, like I'm looking at a service

Starting point is 01:51:41 that based on the videos, like barely works. Right, so if you need to go 10 blocks that way. Pretty much any time I've ever had to get into a cab, I actually need to be at that place in a relatively okay amount of time. Like, sure, there are examples where that hasn't been true, but that's kind of usually how it's going. And if it's just going to like randomly pull over

Starting point is 01:52:01 because a cop is in a parking lot or something, like, no, I'll go with the uber I didn't catch the scale last time I was looking at this so it looks like the area they have mapped is actually like it's like it's like a few it's like a few miles wide and tall and stuff tiny you could conceivably walk it though Italy you would. You probably wouldn't, but this guy, this man walks. Like he'll walk an hour.

Starting point is 01:52:29 I do them walks. To go somewhere. Especially if I'm in a place that I like. Yeah, so I'm actually, I'm gonna drop a dot right here and then I'm gonna get directions to like kind of a dot like over here. Yeah, Luca said you wouldn't call one, but if your friend calls one, you would use it.

Starting point is 01:52:43 Yeah, like I'm not gonna like not get in it on principle or something. You could walk across the area that they have mapped in on the order of like an hour and something, but in less than two hours. Where were we when we, can you say? It looks like it anyway, if I managed to find the right spot again.

Starting point is 01:52:59 When we did the gamer house, the land house? We're allowed to say the city we were in, yes. Where were we? Was it Austin? I think it was Austin, yeah. Then I probably like have. Fair enough. Oh, my back.

Starting point is 01:53:17 Oop, all right. What do you wanna talk about next? What do we got, what do we got, what do we got? Riot Games! Nope. Sure. No, I'm down with it. Riot Games announced that they are opening up betting sponsorship opportunities for League of Legends and Valorant esport teams in the Americas and EMEA. They stated that according to SportRadar, there was a $10.7 billion betting turnover on just Valorant and League of Legends in 2024, most of which likely being in unregulated markets. They've partnered with Grid to be the required source for official stats in any sports betting partnerships. They were careful to note that official

Starting point is 01:54:06 broadcasts and their social channels will not partake in gambling sponsorships and that teams cannot have their logos on their jerseys. So it will be up to each individual team then to craft how sports betting related content shows up on their channel within Riot's guidelines, content platform TOS, and local regulations. Riot will also vet each sponsor. Sure. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 01:54:37 This is a good thing to have in here. I take no responsibility for the words. This is a good thing to have in here. I take no responsibility for the words that are about to escape between mine meat folds I wish he was here Sammy's Extremely hot and spicy take when you more of these on WAN show is that this is good

Starting point is 01:54:58 his TLDR is That eSports isn't particularly profitable at the team level, so increasing sponsorship dollars for teams plus Riot taking steps to regulate this is a positive for me. The sport is maturing and this is the result, but of course, be responsible. I think it's a good thing for the sport. I think it is a depressingly bad thing for humanity. That's my take.

Starting point is 01:55:37 Yeah. I do think it's a good thing for the sport. I'm, I'm very, I'm very proud that we have never taken a gambling sponsorship. If I had to choose between the survival of the company and the ongoing employment of everyone here, would my principles bend? I have nothing to gain by having this conversation in public. And only your opinion of me to lose. The truth is I don't know. That's tough.

Starting point is 01:56:11 I actually don't know. It's also even tough to identify that scenario, you know? Well, yeah, because there'd always be like, there'd always be another way. Like another way could be we cut staff. Holy fans. Sure. Sure. I could sell sh** kicks.

Starting point is 01:56:30 I'm messaging Nick like right now. No you're not. Denoli444 says, Luke and Linus, have you seen the gambling stats for young adults in Canada? It's pretty bad. Yeah, it's depressing. It's because it's been extremely normalized. Like, I honestly never thought I'd see this. It was it was totally taboo.

Starting point is 01:56:51 It's quaint to see an old episode of like The Simpsons or something where like, you know, oh, oh, the the the guys are over. Yeah, the guys are over for gambling night. Why did it? Like, I don't know. I don't know if the Simpsons ever did it, but you know, sitcoms did that. Aren't you a cop? Yeah, whatever, it's Poker Night. That bit.

Starting point is 01:57:16 I don't think anyone would even bat an eye these days. No. Like if Luke and I gambled right now, would anybody care? It would be normal content. It would be normal streaming content. Which is sad. The platforms wouldn't care, the audience wouldn't care. You watch sports which never used to talk about it ever.

Starting point is 01:57:36 It used to actually, they would actively try to get stuff shut down and now it is the main advertiser for like everything. Dude, I talked about it already. The casters talk about it. I talked about it already, but it bears talking about again, or it bears merits talking about again. I watched the Stanley Cup finals this year. I couldn't believe how brazenly they were promoting problematic behaviors, problematic gambling behaviors. They weren't just saying, you know, you can gamble. Know your limit, play within it.

Starting point is 01:58:09 Like that is in the past now. That was the limit before. Now it's like, bet on this one. Don't forget to bet on that one. But have you bet on this other one yet? Oh, oh, oh, oh. Have you put in enough bets? Be quick, it's gonna like,

Starting point is 01:58:22 the betting for this is gonna close at a certain point. Don't bet on just one team, bet on three teams. Like... There's a commercial that I saw recently where somebody like, they have a jersey on and they place a bet for that team. And then their like friend comes over and they're wearing a different jersey.

Starting point is 01:58:41 That's the one I'm talking about. That's a horrible commercial. It's awful. That's a horrible commercial. It's awful. That is a terrifying commercial because it is promoting stupid betting habits. Yeah, just betting at any time for any reason. For any team. Constantly. No research, no thought process,

Starting point is 01:58:57 betting based on the most recent random thing you saw. That is what they're promoting. It's horrible. It's actually so bad. God, it like ruins people's lives all the time. And I don't understand. It's so weird to me that so few people hold this opinion now. It's so odd to me. Like is this me just being a boomer? He had these two messages, back to back in floatplane chat.

Starting point is 01:59:29 Trash Cat says, and I'll do the other one first, it's the Frenchiest Fry says, my Boy Scout troop did a fantasy football competition. And fantasy football can be fun. It can be. But oftentimes there's money involved and I think it's not a ridiculously wild take to say that playing for not money could lead to playing for money. Could, potentially. If you are the kind of person who is susceptible to be drawn in to that lifestyle. Right next to them, my younger brother got hooked on gambling and is like $10,000 in debt. Those two messages right there. Dude, I talked about how much I hated, especially after watching Mark Rober's video on how rigged amusement, like amusement centers and arcades are, I hated how much those games

Starting point is 02:00:32 were training my kids for gambling whenever we'd go into them. It's gambling with training wheels. It's kiddie gambling. It feels like that whole, I think it's Nescafe. Do you know this story? Am I, is it the wrong brand? There's a coffee brand that wanted to get into Japan,

Starting point is 02:00:54 but yeah, you know this story? There's a coffee brand that wanted to get into Japan and they worked with somebody or did some market research or something and found that nobody in Japan likes coffee. They just, they all like tea. So they started introducing like kids candies and stuff that were coffee flavored. So the kids would get used, it was Nestle, Nest Cafe, I don't know, it was someone. The kids would get used to the flavor of coffee. And then they kept doing stuff like that. And now

Starting point is 02:01:20 coffee is like an enormous industry in Japan. They got into Japan, not by convincing the adults that it was good. They got into Japan by Nestle owns Nescafe. Yeah, okay. That makes sense. Great. By doing, yeah, by like, effectively advertising to children through getting them used to the flavor. Coffee, Psyop. So these little like, oh, it's kind of gambling, but it's not really and it's for kids is like definitely to get kids more into gambling when they're older. That's for sure a thing. That's one of the, this, whoo, hot takes coming back to WAN Show. I'm excited. This is the whole thing about why I don't balk as hard at the Nintendo game price increase because if I if I'm trying to think if I had kids and I had to give them a game I would much rather

Starting point is 02:02:12 give them older games or games that don't have microtransactions in them I'm gonna dump some cold water on that there's literally gambling in Pokemon Blue. Yeah. Okay. It helps that also like just lose. Also, also I would say that the oh man is Nintendo Super Gotcha. I don't think so. They'll milk you. They'll sell you Amiibos. They'll sell you two copies of the literally going back to the Game Boy. They would sell you Pokemon Blue and Red and a Link Cable. King of the milkers. They'll milk you. But they're not Super Gacha.

Starting point is 02:02:59 Apparently they have Gacha mobile games. Oh. You can't count on anybody. You can't count on anybody. You can't count on anybody these days. Dang. That's sad. That sucks. But yeah, I mean, I think there's value to trying to avoid these things. But it is weird to me.

Starting point is 02:03:16 There is anti-gambling is like not that big of a thing anymore. Like everybody just gave up and it felt like everybody just gave up at like the same time It was weird. I feel like twitch just like made it super mainstream You know what? Oh back to what you were saying about Nescafe and the candies and stuff That's actually something that blew my mind about McDonald's strategy like McDonald's has been struggling. They've been closing stores, broadly speaking. I don't know if they had a good quarter last quarter

Starting point is 02:03:47 or whatever. They did the worst rerun in the world. But they've basically, as far as I can tell, lost their mojo back when I was making the transition to adulthood. Remember when they brought in, they got rid of the fun kid-friendly restaurants with play places.

Starting point is 02:04:04 And they made them the famous boxes. rid of the fun kid-friendly restaurants with play places and they brought in McCafe with the green and the brown and they just tried to be Starbucks. And something that I've been trying to figure out for basically my entire adult life is what the hell were they thinking? The only reason that anyone I knew ate McDonald's was because they ate it as a kid. And my kids don't even like McDonald's. But I will say that the occasional McDonald's we went to when they were young, and they still had more of the ones that had like the the play centers in them and stuff, they enjoyed going there. McDonald's figured it out. Yeah. Like decades ago. Yeah. That you just wanted to

Starting point is 02:04:45 associate the flavor of McDonald's with happy family memories and you'd be hooked for life. And then they were just like, you know what, cartoon characters that appeal to kids? No, forget it. Adults have more money. We should appeal to adult do- GUESS WHO BUYS STUFF FOR KIDS?! ARE YOU CRAZY?! Anyway. Good luck, McDonald's. Truthfully, I don't care about your success. Your food sucks. And yes, that is just conditioning.

Starting point is 02:05:17 So much of marketing, ma- ma-war-ee in Float Plane Chat is just conditioning. Is it ma-war-ee? Ma-war-ee, I don't know. Shubhamg says, McDonald's is not a service company, it's a real estate company. Yeah, but I mean, what's the machine that creates the money to invest in real estate?

Starting point is 02:05:37 Like you gotta, you have to have an operating business. All right. Ooh. All right Ooh Should we talk about D brands kill switch to case controversy? Hope leader What am I looking at That's awesome This is sick is that current it seems like it see like that's sweet well that's not inspiring but

Starting point is 02:06:10 Well yeah why why is fast food so much better in Japan was cool that's wild all right make McDonald's cool again D brands kill switch to case has been under fire for having issues with Joy-Cons detaching when pressure is applied. Dbrand responded on Reddit with a lengthy post with a lot of focus on how the device is generally meant to be held. Uh-oh. They outlined that the issue stemmed from some manufacturing tolerances in the case for the Joy-Con controllers and committed to dealing with any affected users,

Starting point is 02:06:54 but the takeaway from the Redditors who saw the post was, you guys did not just, you're holding it wrong, us, did you? A couple days later, Dbrand issued a part two to their response they condensed their longer response down to just four points and acknowledged to the shortcomings of their previous response dbrand provided us something to read. We fucked up them not us this time it's not it's not my controversy hashtag not my controversy. Nothtag not my controversy. It wasn't us. Not only did we f**k up by not seeing this prior to shipping,

Starting point is 02:07:29 but we f**ked up by responding with 4,000 words that could have effectively been boiled down to you're holding it wrong. Ultimately debating the right or wrong way to hold a console is besides the point. Customers should be able to hold this thing however they want without the Joy-Cons detaching. After reading the feedback, it is clear that neither our response nor the conditional if you're affected solution was welcomed by the community. Since then our engineering team has dug deep to find alternative solutions, come up with two and we have communicated this new plan. Everyone is getting a free replacement regardless of whether they're severely affected, haven't experienced the issue,

Starting point is 02:08:03 have emailed us a dozen times or have no clue about any of this. On July 10th, we'll know which of the two proposed new JoyCon solutions is going to be viable. One is mass-producible and a real improvement over the current good but inconsistent version. The other is borderline impossible to mass-produce, but we're going to try anyway because it will result in a JoyCon attachment that's truly flawless. In the end- You can't say that and then Joy-Con attachment that's truly flawless. In the end... You can't say that and then not do it.

Starting point is 02:08:26 That's so dangerous. In the end, we remain committed to candor, responsiveness, and, when we f*** something up, making sure we own it and getting customers the right product. You, on the other hand, remain short. I like deep bread. Good stuff. They're good stuff. No one else're good stuff.

Starting point is 02:08:47 Know what else is good stuff? I still remember before we had this level of relationship with them. I remember one time at CES I had filmed so many videos and I was mentally cooked and I got to another dbrand sponsorship and I think it was my like fifth of the day or something. So instead of saying the ad read I just said their name like 50 times. And the next day I was like, oh man, I probably shouldn't have done that. And then they saw it and were like, this is amazing.

Starting point is 02:09:17 And I was like, whoo, all right, they're cool. Oh man. Lordy. Microsoft doesn't want another CrowdStrike incident and is kicking antivirus out of the kernel. Windows is making big changes to cybersecurity, removing third-party security drivers from the kernel and running them instead in user space. Kernel space is the layer of the OS with the most privileges allowing direct access to many hardware functions and resources, and antivirus software typically likes to have

Starting point is 02:09:49 kernel access because it provides the ability to handle almost any malicious threat that may have wiggled its way into your system. The issue though, is that kernel access can bring substantial stability issues. A faulty update that was pushed was what caused the crowd strike meltdown that actually impacted world infrastructure. This is why security experts recommend that Microsoft remove third-party driver access to the kernel. So, in July, Microsoft will be launching a private preview of new features as part of

Starting point is 02:10:19 their Windows Resiliency Initiative. This announcement comes with quotes from a variety of security partners singing the praises of the move. Notably though, none of these companies have actually committed to moving their drivers out of the kernel at this time. It's worth noting that Microsoft tried to do this back with Windows Vista, but antivirus companies filed an antitrust complaint with the EU and Microsoft backed down because it would have made it so only Microsoft can handle kernel level security. Our discussion question then is what methods could Microsoft be taking or what steps could Microsoft be taking to provide security software with the same abilities that they have without providing them kernel access? And I gotta confess, I don't know enough about the inner workings of an operating system

Starting point is 02:11:06 to even begin to speculate. Our other question is, I don't know, what does this mean for kernel-based anti-cheat software and therefore potentially the year of the Linux desktop? Because that's a lot of the justification that I've heard for why they won't port their anti-cheat to Linux is that they can't run at a kernel level and Windows allows it.

Starting point is 02:11:27 So if neither of them allow it. And if that's true, what happens to cheating in video games? So, okay, it sounds like you're ready to kind of both sides this a little bit. You clearly, as someone who's security minded, do not want anything mucking around with the kernel of your operating system. However, as a gamer who likes to not be, you know, 360 no-scoped through the map from the other side of a Tarkov raid or whatever, instance, what are they even

Starting point is 02:12:00 called? That was right. Raid, nice, good. Yeah, correct terminology. What are they even called? No, that was right. Right, nice, good. Yeah, correct terminology. Appreciate what can be achieved through kernel level monitoring of what's going on on a system. Or in many cases not achieved, but is there a better than nothing argument to be made here? I think we can't just give up on everything just for the sake of gaming.

Starting point is 02:12:22 I also think that if we really do want to get away from... you can never completely get away from it, but if we want to try to get away from the incredibly rampant level that cheating in video games is currently at, like literally by far worse than ever, and there's a lot of evidence for this, I think we're going to have to... of evidence for this. I think we're gonna have to... Funny enough, with the consoles like kind of exiting the world right now, I feel like we almost need to go back to console like devices. I've said this on Wanshow before, it was a hot take back then, I still have it now. I think you're gonna have to have something that's really locked down and it has these types of like kernel level totally taken over. But I would want it separate from my PC because I wouldn't want that level of secured other people's security stuff on my PC.

Starting point is 02:13:20 Okay. Maybe it's a setup that you can do on your own computer. I'll tell you what's a setup. You setting me up for our next topic. Okay. Announcements went up last week from Xbox president Sarah Bond and AMD chair and CEO Dr Lisa Su about AMD and Xbox's renewed partnership to co-engineer silicon for new Xbox hardware. This isn't that big of a surprise. AMD worked with Microsoft all the way back on the Xbox 360

Starting point is 02:13:48 as ATI at the time for the GPU, and then provided a custom APU for the Xbox One and series lineups. It does, however, solidify the direction that the Xbox is taking for their hardware. Bond speaks about Xbox being a lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories, with both leaders emphasizing that backwards compatibility is a priority so you can continue

Starting point is 02:14:11 to play your old games on new hardware. So does that change anything about what you said, where it seems like AMD and Microsoft are coming out and saying, hey, Xbox consoles are not going anywhere, and does that potentially validate sort of your take that there's going to be the PC gaming experience, which is going to just come with all the problems of not being able to have kernel level security, hardware level security, and would you consider an Xbox console if it offered a more PC-like experience except that it was just games and locked the crap down? Yeah, one of the problems there is there's absolutely cheaters on console.

Starting point is 02:14:55 And like has been forever. I do think the barrier, at least right now, I would say is higher because- Than PC. PC, cheating would say is higher because- Than PC. PC, cheating on PC is literally like advertised in banner ads on YouTube. Like cheating on PC doesn't require anything anymore. When I was a kid, it was like, you had to at least be like

Starting point is 02:15:19 kind of ScriptKitty level, but you could do it and it really wasn't that hard. Yeah. It was mostly like you had to be ScriptKitty level for but you could do it and it really wasn't that hard. It was mostly like you had to be ScriptKitty level for the awareness more than anything, not the actual ability. To not like nuke your computer in the process. And to even like know what to look for and stuff like that. Now it's like advertised to you and it's like white glove service and you pay like subscription

Starting point is 02:15:43 models for the good ones. And like if you pay enough, there's people that will custom make one specifically for you to help you from getting banned. Like it is, it is a multi many, many, many billions of dollars industry. Billions? Are you sure? Yep. Billions. It's bad. With a B. I'm'm pretty darn sure It's huge. There's people that play subscriptions for cheats for games that are many hundreds of dollars And those are not the custom tailored ones There's like it's a it's a huge deal There is a lot of really lame losers It's crazy wisdom. It's crazy. How wisdom tips here. It's crazy how many trash people there are. It's actually wild.

Starting point is 02:16:29 Wow. Parallelogram in Floatplane Chat says people be paying $20 a day for cheats that I know of. There's weekend passes. Like it's wild. Is this a big part of what's driving how difficult it is to jump into a lobby and play online now? In my opinion, yeah. Are there just so many cheaters? There is an incredible amount. Like that Tarkov thing where they were like,

Starting point is 02:16:57 there's kind of at least one in every lobby. After that, I started trying to look around. I was like, is this really a Tarkov issue? No. It's everywhere. I do think Tarkov issue? No. It's everywhere. I do think Tarkov could do way more. Okay, that's not quite the same thing. Yeah, but that's still a lot.

Starting point is 02:17:15 I believe Tarkov could do a lot more. Adding replays would be huge and they're not doing it. And I honestly think it's because people would see how bad the situation is. They have replays in Arena, they absolutely have the technology, they could do it and they're just not doing it. Tarkov is worse than when that video came out, that's really debatable and extremely difficult to measure but my point is that it's everywhere. This is not just a Tarkov issue, the problem is that the impact of it is extremely high in Tarkov, but it is literally ever. There's cheaters in Rocket League. How do you... Wouldn't it be so obvious? I guess not. Like if you just, what, like driving assists?

Starting point is 02:17:57 Or like... There's things like you can get the ball up on your hood and then you can kind of like dribble it by keeping it on your car and there's cheats that can... yeah somebody just said dribble scripts, yeah exactly, there's cheats that can do that like car shake for you. So you would just drive normally and it would keep the ball on your hood for you. I believe there's other stuff as well but that that's only one I know of because Sunless Khan had a video on it recently. It's, it's, it's everywhere.

Starting point is 02:18:32 There are cheaters in Warzone casual. Yeah, they're not even necessarily playing competitive modes. Like it's, it's everywhere. If you're playing multiplayer games these days that are competitive, you're playing with cheaters. Oh, but, but I have good news. This Monday, I attended a meeting at Surrey City Hall. Oh, I don't know where this is going. It was the second reading of our temporary use permit

Starting point is 02:18:58 for Whaleland, and we're good to go. Oh, really? I got kind of the idea based on your body language, but it's nice to hear it officially. We're in. We're in. That's fantastic. Surrey is down to clown and I don't know if I'm supposed to announce it yet, but the first whale land, I have a date and it will be before the end of this year. So Chase is, Chase, oh wait, I announced

Starting point is 02:19:25 this, I actually talked about this on the live stream yesterday that we did, but a lot of you probably didn't watch that. Chase is literally working on it now. Now, right now, well, okay, not now, but a few hours ago he was, when he was before he left the office. Too bad he can't get away from cheating at Lance. at lands? What? I think that when the consequences are literally being escorted out of the building... I don't really think that's happened at one of our lands, to be honest. Give us time. But it's very possible. I would do it. No, no, no, no, no. You know I'd do it. I don't mean that. Oh, you mean cheating?

Starting point is 02:20:03 Yeah. If we catch you, you, no, no. You know I'd do it. I don't mean that. Oh, you mean cheating? Yeah. If we catch you, you will never set foot at a Wail Land again. Could we have it in the thing that it's like name and shame? I would just do it, I don't care, who cares? I mean, we'll have like, we'll have filming notices as part of like Wail Land, like you will consent to your likeness, et cetera. Wann show banner of shame? Yeah, I can't.

Starting point is 02:20:25 Just rotation for all time. No, no, because people want notoriety. No, they wouldn't get that. Absolutely not. Linus is more experienced at this. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But they would absolutely be shamed in person. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 02:20:40 And it'd be awful. Oh yeah. Cause like, I don't like you. Yeah. Like it's that simple, man. Yeah. Not cool. awful. Oh yeah. Because like, I don't like you. Yeah. Like it's that simple, man. Yeah. Not cool. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:20:48 Not cool. Yeah. This is a friendly event. We're all friends here. You don't do that. There's just, there's so many examples of streamers getting caught cheating. There's so many examples of people getting caught

Starting point is 02:21:01 cheating at major tournaments by having cheats like built into the tiny amount of memory on their mouse or whatever else, like just all these different ways. It's, uh, it's, it's rough out there. So if there was a thing that offered at least a solid amount of reprieve, like I'm not, I'm not expecting literally anything to solve it at all but if there's something that added a good amount of reprieve I would go for it. Last thing here is that Xbox president Sarah Bond also spoke about working

Starting point is 02:21:37 closely with the Windows team to ensure that Windows is the number one platform for gaming and not locked to a single store. I think we've talked a little bit about this when we spoke about the the Xbox and ROG Ally collaboration product but it's very clear the direction that Microsoft wants to go with you know Xbox is any screen in your home be it Windows or running Xbox operating system or running Tizen OS or whatever the case may be. That's their vision. This is cool. An Asus RTX 5090 back to front card connector seems to be able to do up to 1900 watts without burning up. Tony Yu, Asus China's GM, showcased exactly what you can do with a different peculiar power connector like the GCHPWR connector on the RG Astral 5090 BTF. So you can actually, if you

Starting point is 02:22:35 want to show your mouse on the the power connector there, this new BTF card design has a detachable GCHPWR, allowing you to choose between it and a standard 12 volt high power connector, or 12 volt two by six, I think is what we meant to put in the script. That's really cool. It allows you to use the card with a BTF motherboard if you have one,

Starting point is 02:22:58 but also retain your resale value for the person who likely won't have a BTF motherboard who you wanna like sell it to when you're ready to upgrade. The GCHPWR connector was designed to handle a thousand watts but you used a chroma load tester with the connector at a constant 670 watts, plenty to power a standard RTX 5090 with it staying between 30 and 35 degrees Celsius. He pushed it to 1300 watts which saw it increase to 38 degrees Celsius, still very comfortable, and as an extreme the chroma was turned up to 1900 watts with the connector staying around 41

Starting point is 02:23:32 degrees Celsius which is not bad, not bad at all. Here we go, here come the amps, bring on the amps! Oh I forgot his name but I've met him. 1900 watts. Gorgeous. Great work. BTF needs to be a thing. Discussion question is cool but I wouldn't want that much power running through my motherboard, which is fair enough. I mean, it's DC, so like the level, like, I don't design PCBs for a living, but my understanding is that that would be less likely to cause interference than AC, obviously, but does just running that kind of power through your motherboard, if you have enough, if you have enough isolation between your power plane and

Starting point is 02:24:26 your data planes or man it would depend kind of where it's coming from where it's going to would that be the end of the world maybe not I don't know nothing about it cat I said usually fine I wonder if they just had a hole and you can what we really need cable through what we really need to do is just like I can't believe that we've gone through so many iterations of updating the standard to like needing new connectors and basically needing to replace this stuff. And we haven't increased the voltage.

Starting point is 02:24:51 Tied inside it's fine, but it might get toasty. Yeah, there you go. Which is not fine. Well, it can be fine. I like toast. Finally, Xbox app merging all game launchers? Question mark. Recently, users in the Insiders Update program for Windows saw an update to the Xbox app.

Starting point is 02:25:13 This update included combining other storefronts, Battle.net, Gamepass, Steam, into the same launcher in an attempt to improve the user experience. Ah, yes, the proliferation of standards. Users will also be able to see the different launcher options in the Xbox app so they know if they are launching a game from Steam or another platform. Steam is the first and only storefront they have right now, but Microsoft confirms this is just the beginning, hoping to add many launchers to the app,

Starting point is 02:25:37 though no promise that you won't need to install those dedicated launchers still for the game to open. Yeah, you definitely will. Discussion question. Do you prefer one store that tries to combine launchers or several launchers still for the game to open? Yeah, you definitely will. Discussion question. Do you prefer one store that tries to combine launchers or several launchers that are consistent with themselves and are clearer about where you are? I just want everything to run on Steam. If you...

Starting point is 02:25:58 If it didn't require the launchers, you could have already done it through Steam and you've been able to do it that way through Steam. I don't want to say forever because that's not true but for a very long time. Yep. And like I like when I buy a game on Steam and it's like an Origin game but I open the game and it just like shows a quick Origin thing and then it like goes away and then Steam is just there and the game is there and then I close it and it's like Origin something I don't know buy it. And I go back to Big Picture. Is it even still called Origin? I don't know, who cares? Me?

Starting point is 02:26:28 I don't need to know. Yeah. Cool. Linus, aren't we against monopolies? Asks M9 and G27. I love Steam, but we are against monopolies, but Valve is not a monopoly. Yeah, not at all, actually.

Starting point is 02:26:42 Valve has real competition. They're's clearly the best one. Yes Good luck Tim Sweeney to the Sweeneycopter Epic Games Okay, yeah House fresh is done This one is pain. I'll be nice to Tim Sweeney says John mesh. I think he'll be alright. I don't think Tim Sweeney cares what I think No, are we done all who got mad when he said something wrong at one point? This we need that was him no no no no no no well okay. Yes, but the PlayStation that was him though

Starting point is 02:27:20 Yeah, well sweet cares Yeah, yeah, I was just I was being nice. I just clarified I was I was just being nice I was I was I was being nice. Okay, I'm nice what? Yeah, he's a juggalo. Of course. I'm nice Everybody likes me Or they're wrong yeah Or they're wrong. Yeah All right, hit me up then it's a time for after dark I think by the way if you didn't migrate from origin to EA App you lose stuff

Starting point is 02:27:54 It's probably fine lose what yeah lose my copy of battlefield 2 Talking about the story on WAN show but how I used to share my origin account. Yes with the Russian hacker guy That's sweet of you I'm gonna download the EA app right now and I'm gonna log into it to see if I even still have an account So I used to yeah some Definitely Russian dude Used to he would steal my origin account play games But I like didn't really care because I very rarely used it. I can't install it because I'm getting in there right now

Starting point is 02:28:33 I'm getting in there right now. I can't install the thing. Give me two seconds, please request admin. I Was already logging in did you press a button? Request admin you mean login as administrator. No,? No, I don't even know what it is. It's under request. I'm going as fast as I can. It's a good thing, it's a good thing that Threat Locker is installed on my work machine. That is a good

Starting point is 02:28:56 thing. It's not installed on all your work machines anymore. You shouldn't tell the people that. Now I'm an attack vampire. Well no, it is technically, it is installed. Now look what you've done. No, it is installed. And I'm not actually pulling that back, it is installed.

Starting point is 02:29:09 Okay. So much for being C-suite Linus. I mean, C-suites can be hacked if anything, they're the best targets. Get, do some of that wailing. Yeah. But yeah, he would take my account and I wouldn't care. And then many months later, I would suddenly care, I just have to play something. And I still, he would take my account and I wouldn't care and then many months later

Starting point is 02:29:26 I would suddenly care because I have to play something and I still he had the password I had the secret question. So instead of resetting the password, I would just log you were able to log in with the secret question somehow or something. I don't remember exactly what. So I would get in and play my game for a while and he would he would leave me alone for like a while. And then I guess he just checked like a month game for a while and he would leave me alone for like a while. And then I guess he just checked like a month later

Starting point is 02:29:48 or something and then he would take it back and keep playing. And I just, I thought it was funny. So I just never fixed the problem. I don't remember all the details, but it's something like that. And- I remember you telling me about this.

Starting point is 02:29:59 This is back in like the Langley house days. Yeah, this is a long time ago. And he added games to the account. So there's like football manager and like all this other random stuff. I was like, what are you doing? Why would you do that on my account? But then I just still never cared. I think eventually I was trying to play something and he kept booting me out over and over again. So I was like, alright we're done now and I officially finally fixed it but

Starting point is 02:30:31 Did it start installing? Oh, you can now run this application run now All right. Let's see. It was fun for a while. See if we can do this Maybe he has your reddit credentials Just being kind online. That's a sick, that's a good reference. Anyway, we can move on to our next thing for now. We don't have one. Yeah, just Merch messages.

Starting point is 02:30:55 It's after dark, let's go. Yeah, that's what I meant. That's what I meant. Should we do super dark mode? Cause of the glow? Sure. Oh, no. Probably won't be able to see anything. We see it for a second? We can see it for a second. Super dark mode because of the glow sure oh I don't see anything

Starting point is 02:31:07 We see it for a second we can see it for a second okay? Okay, give me one second this physical button. I can do it. No no Dan Dan's got the No, he's at he's producer Dan. Yeah, how dare you disrespect him like that. It's not going oh these Yeah Wait, it's not glowing. Oh, these. Jesus, you're needy. Yeah. Doing it for the audience. Oh. What now? That one. I'm getting it, Bobby. It's not gonna have any glow left by the time we actually get it.

Starting point is 02:31:36 Windows cannot access the specified device path or file. I love computers so much. Wait, where is he going? I can't install EA app. Oh, he's cooking. Let him cook. Oh, launch the app. What? It says it's already installed now. I don't think I can launch it. You seem like a me problem. Sometimes. Got him. Oh, hold on. Oh, yeah, no, no, she's working. She's working. She's cooking. There we go. Okay, keep me signed in. Okay.

Starting point is 02:32:19 You just, you know that? My, what, my username? Yeah. Yeah, why would I not know my username? It's just my email. Oh, okay, fair enough. I don't know my username for origin, but I guess it was just my email, it's probably fine.

Starting point is 02:32:34 I think it's this one. Yeah, it's too late. Yeah, it's too late. We can't see our glowing table anymore because it's not charged anymore. Also, I don't think it's dark enough. Maybe the purple light is the problem. Oh but they can't see. Yeah no yeah I can see it glowing but they definitely can't see that. We could turn

Starting point is 02:32:54 the lights back on. They can kind of see it. This has gotten awkward at this point. They can see me. I mean yeah. Why am I visible and not you? Maybe you're whiter than me. Oh, you have a white screen on your computer. Oh. So if we- Goodbye. Yeah, there you go.

Starting point is 02:33:10 Yeah. Yeah. Okay, okay, there you go. Okay, they can see it now. Nice. Our wrap partner, Dbrand, who by the way also makes the glow in the dark skin for my phone.

Starting point is 02:33:20 And also not the glow in the dark skin. Yeah. This is our glow circuit skin and it's all over the table skin yeah this is our glow this is our glow circuit skin and it's all over the table okay thank you that was wonderful yeah that I well debatable but sure yeah I know it was what you think they didn't enjoy it all right well I don't know like the whole point of the show is it though though? For them to enjoy something. Is it though?

Starting point is 02:33:46 Yeah. Okay, Wandshow After Dark, here we go. Here's the games that, time to flash bang them. Here's the games that I own on EA app. Whoa. Oh, ouch. Whoa. I have free to play games, Apex Legends, and The Sims 4.

Starting point is 02:34:03 Nice. I think, oh no, add to your library. So I don't have these, I guess. Okay. My library includes such hits as Battlefield 3. Nice. Battlefield 4. Nice.

Starting point is 02:34:16 Battlefield Bad Company 2. Nice. So you stopped playing Battlefield at the correct time. I never played Battlefield. This is for benchmarking. Oh Stopped benchmarking battlefield at the right time. Yeah crusader No remorse a game that I have been meaning to play since I was like nine Crisis three Dragon Age Inquisition it takes two which I actually owned through steam

Starting point is 02:34:42 Whatever this is knocks dude knocks is a knocks is sick super old-school RPG plants versus zombies Garden wars 2 which I only owned because of a make-a-wish Thing where they wanted to play this and I was like, okay, I'll bite I'll buy this game. It was surprisingly good Yeah, it's actually pretty fun Battlefront Titanfall 2 which is because of you but also just through steam and Iravel 2 which I actually just played with my wife and we enjoyed it. It was fine. Yeah. Yeah the story was I didn't really understand but apparently you're not supposed to. Yeah. So that's cool. Okay. Hey me Dan. Sure I've got a few here. Hello Wynus, Wook and Wan. Linus, have you seen the live action version yet? And what are your thoughts?

Starting point is 02:35:26 Live, what? The live action version. Not yet, I'm so, I'm like actually, I'm actively stressed about seeing it. The live action show. How to Train Your Dragon one is the perfect movie. It is better than any other movie, except maybe The Incredibles.

Starting point is 02:35:45 And I don't know. There's plenty of movies I love, but How to Train Your Dragon 1 is a perfect movie. Chat says, it seems pretty good. Elijah said it was pretty mid. I don't know, man. I don't know. You loved it, okay, that's something.

Starting point is 02:36:07 But why do live action? See, that's the question. It was already perfect. I would have rather they just did like a remaster with new textures and HDR lighting, you know? I agree. I don't like live action remakes. They're not even live action. That's the thing.

Starting point is 02:36:25 The main character is still CGI. I was seriously wronged with the release of the Warcraft movie. That was a crime against me in particular. And then all of Hollywood decided that they were going to release worse versions of childhood classics by taking one of the most charming aspects about them and making them quote unquote live action. Okay, Livin in chat, is that Reese? Oh.

Starting point is 02:36:54 Is Livin Reese? No, Reese is Dirt Wizard, hold on. Livin is... A pancrats. A pancrats, that's right. Okay, I thought it was Reese and I was gonna be like, okay, because Reese and I are pretty aligned on movie taste so far from what I've seen so far. He agrees the Breakfast Club is actual unmitigated disaster. Based. But Livin', Pancrats, I don't know how aligned we are

Starting point is 02:37:21 on movie taste yet. I'm not saying your taste is bad. I'm just saying that maybe, I just don't know yet. I don't know how aligned we are on movie taste yet. I'm not saying your taste is bad. I'm just saying that maybe I just don't know yet. I don't know yet. Make sure that you're agreeing with the narcissist or you might lose your job. Oh, stop. Speaking of which, speaking of which.

Starting point is 02:37:37 Clearly not a problem for me. Movie night last Friday. Yeah. What'd you guys think? Last action hero? It was very good. I was way more surprised than I was expecting to be. I actually wasn't surprised and I enjoyed it a lot. Yeah I know that was that was sick. Binky Draws says the Dungeons and

Starting point is 02:37:54 Dragons movie was awesome though and I agree it was very good. Actually really enjoyed it. It really deserves a lot more than it got and I'm very sad that people didn't realize how good that movie was because it might not get another one and that would be very sad. It wasn't super, super polished, but it was exactly what it was supposed to be. Yes! It was so self-aware. Yeah, it was great. And it was self-aware very appropriately, because it was still a good story, still a good character despite being self-aware. And that's what I love about Last Action Hero.

Starting point is 02:38:23 What was the other movie? It knows exactly what it's doing. The other one you were talking about? The Dungeons and Dragons? Oh yeah, no that was very good. So Last Action Hero is both an action movie and also a spoof of everything that made especially 80s action movies kind of cringe-worthy and unbearable. So it does, it does everything that they do to the nth degree while also straight-faced being an action movie. I love it. And I hadn't even remembered the like celebrity cameos at the end. It had everybody. It had Bill freaking Murray in it. Dude, the scene when Maria Shriver like gives Arnold Schwarzenegger like Arnold Schwarzenegger, the actor playing himself

Starting point is 02:39:12 instead of Arnold Schwarzenegger playing the like the action hero guy, she like gives him crap about talking about promoting his stupid restaurants on the red carpet like, oh it's so mad, it's so good. It's so good. It was really good It was fantastic. I enjoyed the lot Anywho more yeah, so I will see how to train your dragon But I'll probably I don't think I'm gonna bother in the theater I think I'll wait and I'll watch it in my theater at home watch on your phone just to give it an extra little No, it's like a guarantee you're making it lose. Yeah, I did that Gladiator 2 I watched it on a plane on purpose. I was like

Starting point is 02:39:54 I'm not gonna like this so that I like hate watched the whole thing and got to the end was just mad Yeah, I watched that at home and was Incredibly upset. I loved Gladiator One so much. And it was a- That was an incredible disaster. Bimizuntown says, "'Loaded on an iPod video and watch it there.'" Yikes.

Starting point is 02:40:13 Yeah, Kindle. Yikes. Okay. "'Hey, LLD, would you consider doing other transparent products, such as a transparent backpack for security checks? And how long did it take to prototype the transparent driver? Three years so we're interested in other transparent products but I can pretty much promise

Starting point is 02:40:33 you that we're not making Pris's raincoat from Blade Runner as a backpack form. I just I can't think of a material that would be clear enough to really see through but also Robust enough for us to be confident making a backpack with it So Triton well, it's it's rigid though. Yeah, would you really want a rigid backpacks plenty of them They you put cats in them. They're like definitely a thing. They are a thing. Isn't that like isn't that Fjallraven backpack fairly rigid and that was like incredibly popular for many years? Oh hi Josh says you literally ride a motorcycle. Okay all right all right all right all right

Starting point is 02:41:25 all right. Okay so I guess you can strap a luggage to your back if you really want to but I we have so much work to do you know continuing to innovate in like soft goods backpacks that I don't know that I'm ready to just completely change gears and go into an entirely new product category. So no promises, no promises for now. Oh, Frey says, do you know why Last Action Hero was a flop? It opened the same week as Jurassic Park. Oh my God. That makes so much more sense because we were talking about this after.

Starting point is 02:42:02 It did make money. Yeah, but barely. Barely. And when you look like. And nobody remembers it. Yeah, it was an $80 million budget for a movie that did like, what was it, like 150 mil total. And Jurassic Park was like groundbreaking.

Starting point is 02:42:16 Yeah. From special effects and artistry and just so good. Apparently the marketing was also just a total disaster as well. Pancrat said it's just like Titanfall 2 in that, oh man. Oh no, don't get to that. I think everyone saw me go through that.

Starting point is 02:42:32 It's like that's funny, oh no. Oh no. Oh no. Hey, I played it, I bought it, I played it. Titanfall 2 was great. The single player is actually outstanding. Best single player shooter I've played since I was a wee child.

Starting point is 02:42:47 My biggest complaint is that you don't get to enjoy the super amazing, cool, fun gimmicks for long enough. But that's one of the reasons why it's so good. Leave them wanting more. Yeah. If all of it's perfect, it'll always be perfect. How is your home assistant integrations going? We'd love to know what works well and what doesn't.

Starting point is 02:43:08 What's that one automation that you can't live without? Not gonna lie, Jake and I were brainstorming a way to make fixing my house into content today. And we came up with a list of all the stuff about my smart house that's just kind of stupid and doesn't work or was poorly designed or implemented in the first place, or we just never really finished

Starting point is 02:43:33 because we got the video done, got it to like minimum viable product, works as a demo point and then just left it there. So I think it's actually gonna be a series. Video one will be us going through and going, oh yeah, that. Ooh, good. What's rough?

Starting point is 02:43:48 Current state. And then we're gonna go full automotive channel style, and we're just gonna have a piece of cardboard that we're gonna write all the problems on, and then over the series of a bunch of videos going forward, we're gonna cross them out. Cool, I like that. Yeah. That sounds cool.

Starting point is 02:44:02 That's a great idea. We stopped doing series, like multi-part content. Oh, this is interesting. Pee-ball-ee? Pee-ball-ee? Pee-ball says, fun fact, the animated Anastasia movie did worse because Disney re-released The Little Mermaid in theaters at the same time. I wouldn't put it, I wouldn't put it above Disney to pull a move like that. I don't know if that's true. That's allegedly, but I wouldn't put it above Disney to pull a move like that. I don't know if that's true, that's allegedly, but I wouldn't put that past Disney. My lady ruined her own proposal. Should I redo it? If so, should I choose a new location? If it's ruined, you should redo it. As someone whose proposal was ruined, not by the lady, but by myself, I can tell you

Starting point is 02:44:47 from experience that you will never hear the end of it. You might not hear about it often, and it might be in good humor, you know, mostly. But she will remember it, for better or for worse, in sickness and in health, till death do you part. So, yeah, I'd probably redo it. Fire you, fire you. Cheers, guys. Loved the video on MBX Mark II.

Starting point is 02:45:17 For your home systems, how often do you find both change cases as part of an upgrade new builds versus reusing or favorite sentimental cases sorry this is a little self it's this is a little hard to parse how often do you change your case there you upgrade versus me using a favorite or sentimental case my situation is not really fair for this I have kept the case. Yeah, I've advised a lot of other people to keep their cases. And in builds that I've kind of like worked on. I've kept the case for me. It's like not really fair because of our deal that seems to come with cases.

Starting point is 02:46:07 Yeah he gets new computers in perpetuity I guess. Yeah. It doesn't say how often. You offered it. I could do nothing for 45 years. There is part of the clause. Is there? How often do I have to do it? It's not a timing thing but it's a keeping it in pace with yours Yeah, it's not supposed to be the same you were just that narcissistic back then But it's supposed to be like, you know Reasonably within range that makes sense. I don't remember the exact wording that something you have now You're 40 4080. Oh, you're good then. I think you have a better computer than me right now then.

Starting point is 02:46:50 Maybe. I'm not complaining. I have a, oh, 7900 XTX. Probably about on par. Pretty darn close. Pretty similar. Yours is better in ray tracing, which I don't think you use anyway. Nope. Cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not complaining. As for me I

Starting point is 02:47:06 have changed my case very few times I had an Antec land boy that was my first custom computer case with the smart blue 350 watt power supply so that's what I had I upgraded that to an Antec P160. I got the, NCIX didn't carry the P160W, but they did carry the windowed side panel replacement. So I had an extra non-windowed side panel. It was a really cool windowed side panel. Instead of being flat, it had these like,

Starting point is 02:47:41 I don't know, these like ovals in it. Here we go. I don't know, they wereals in it here we go I don't know they were just they were kind of cool they were like stylish oh yeah things and and like the locks for the side panel were indented into it so you couldn't just like put a window on the regular case you had to y'all you had to get the you had to get the stock window it It looked really sick. So I had one of these. I actually, I swapped out the LED color in the front. So mine, instead of having blue LEDs

Starting point is 02:48:12 lighting up these little front mirrored bits, I swapped them out for green. I had a cool AMD inside UV reactive logo in the bottom. I rattle can sprayed the inside black. What other modifications? I rattle can sprayed the inside black. What other modifications? I had a fan controller in the front. I think that's most of it.

Starting point is 02:48:32 I had a cool UV green transparent acrylic cover for my power supply and then I had UV green sleeving for my power supply back when I had this build. Anyway, from there, from there I think I went to the, I think I went straight to the TJ07. Yvonne bought that for me. That's how you know she's a keeper. She gets you like a sick computer case. And then I still have that. I kind of still want to do a build in it one of these days and doing that unboxing of the murder box made me want to do it even more. Yeah, what the heck? Yeah, it was a thing.

Starting point is 02:49:07 I was walking through the lab and was like... Three pallets of murder boxes. I mean, MBX2 or whatever, whatever they ended up calling them. Those are wicked cases. They're the TGO7 but refined, perfected you might say. And then from my TGO7, I went to my rack mount case, which I have, like for tech influencer or whatever, I have kept for an awfully long time without making anything other than like slight quality of life modifications to. I love it. It's perfect. My computer sits in my rack. I never look at it or think about it other than when it's broken. And maybe that's, I don't know,

Starting point is 02:49:44 maybe that's kind of don't know, maybe that's kind of lame. I do want to do a really nice build for the theater room. You need something for the theater room. And I want it to be like dead quiet. Like, yeah, silent. Yes. Maybe even silent and deadly. Oh, Yes. One thing I kind of- One button is a power button. The other button ejects a knife. I mean, why a knife?

Starting point is 02:50:13 A chin knife. You can only kill one person with a knife. If it ejected a grenade, that was- Sort of true, okay. Then the knife has mustard gas in the handle. Ooh, I like. The floor is made of bleach The knife has mustard gas in the handle. I like. The floor is made of bleach and the knife has ammonia in it.

Starting point is 02:50:30 Okay, all right. So why don't we move on to our next merge message? Good, it's easy to get you guys to move on. Hey guys, I'm an injection molding technician and I thoroughly enjoy all of the BTS molding content. How much did the molder do and how much of your team? How much did you learn personally? I learned basically what was in Kyle's video, that we had to open the gate and do more simulation to make sure that it flows through the mold like this instead of going around things

Starting point is 02:50:58 and then meeting and making those ugly lines. I learned about the different properties of plastics and, you know, some cool faster and some cool longer when they're flowing through the mold or stick to the mold or whatever else. That's about it. I didn't do any simulations or anything. As for what our team has learned, I will say that some of it was handled by the molder, but it was definitely a collaborative process. I pretty much promise you that those simulations that we showed in the video were ones that our team was running. We've learned a lot about plastic injection molding over the last few years. Here goes a new impulse buy. Did you need to add any anti-yellowing countermeasures, or is that not an issue for

Starting point is 02:51:45 this type of plastic? I'm not aware of that being an issue for Triton. Don't think it's a problem for Triton. Looking at, especially like, okay, so a very well-known brand that uses Triton. Nalgene. Nalgene. They're water bottles. You know, water bottles, these days a lot of people use them inside, but for a long

Starting point is 02:52:02 time they were like largely outdoor or indoor sports facility type things. That's true. Water bottle culture has changed a lot of people use them inside, but for a long time they were like largely outdoor or indoor sports facility type things. That's true, water bottle culture has changed a lot. Dramatically changed. I didn't even really think about that. But they did go outside a lot and Nalgene bottles never really changed color. Nalgene are usually blue for a reason.

Starting point is 02:52:20 That's an interesting point. But. Who the devil is this? Who are you number 317 anonymous with your $10 gift card purchase? Go ahead Dan. You can read it. Are you sure? Yeah. It's very mean. Is it? Maybe. Linus, also known as Moo Moo the Cow. How do you know that? Oh, this is a thing.

Starting point is 02:52:50 That's my OG Hotmail account. Damn. Whoa. Moo Moo underscore the underscore cow at hotmail.com. I don't have that email address anymore. Whoa. Don't bother emailing it, but that was my original like when I went to Camp Squia for Bible Camp you know that was the email that I

Starting point is 02:53:11 gave to my fellow attendees so they could stay in touch. Is uh you said anonymous 13? 317 is the order number. Oh not the name that they put in. No, no. Sorry, carry on. Damn. Do you find the existence or lack of your beard to have any effect on your viewership? And do you still plan, do you still have plans taking your name out of the branding of your company?

Starting point is 02:53:42 I don't know, we're kind of, I think we're kind of experimenting right now. I am, see, I'm actually not quite done painting my bike. I have put one- Oh, should you shave it back off? Maybe. I put one coat of clear coat on the gas tank and then I made the mistake.

Starting point is 02:54:00 Okay, this is why Jake Tyvey drives me nuts because he was like, no, you should sand it. You know, like, like, fine sand it. And I was like, no, I'm not going to bother. I don't care if there's a little bit of orange peel. I want this project done. He's like, no, you should do it. And then I did the first coat of clear coat on the gas tank and there was like a little something, like a little fluff got caught in it. And I could have sprayed it again and maybe like, like gotten that bit out, but probably not. I probably would have scuffed the finish.

Starting point is 02:54:28 So I was going to have to do another coat anyway. So I was like, okay, well, I'll just leave it with the one coat and then I'll get the little bit out and then I'll blast the second coat and then it'll all be consistent. I won't have the little like fluff or the little nib in it. Anyway, as I was getting out the nib, I was like, oh, I mean, it wouldn't really hurt if I am just a thousand grit. I was like, oh, I mean, it wouldn't really hurt if I, I'm just a thousand grit, I can't really damage anything too badly, I'll give it like a,

Starting point is 02:54:48 like kind of a once over, and it looks so much better. But now I'm thinking, I've only delivered the wheels, the frame and the subframe, none of which I think stand out that much once the bike is assembled. It's gonna be the fairing, it's gonna be the tail, it's gonna be the gas tank that are really gonna be the tail, it's gonna be the gas tank that are really gonna stand out. So I still have all those pieces.

Starting point is 02:55:08 Technically, they haven't started reassembly yet. So technically, I could sand everything, fine grit sand everything. Do you know when they're gonna start? Blast it again and polish it. Do you have like this weekend and then that's it? I don't know. But I did thousand grit the gas tank,

Starting point is 02:55:27 but I don't wanna get in there with like two thousand, like five thousand grit. I don't have time for that. Yes, I know it looks better wet sanded. Yes, yes, yes, it's worth it, it's worth it. Anyway, so if that's the case, I'm gonna have to do a fair bit more clear coating. If it was just gonna be like hitting the gas tank once, then I was just gonna put on the

Starting point is 02:55:51 mask and breathe as little as I can and not bother. But if I'm gonna be clear coating the entire rest of the bike again, I'm probably gonna have to shave the beard. So we'll see, we'll see. Maybe I'll keep a mustache for like one week. It'd be horrible, dude. It would be bad. It would be horrible on me. Anyway, okay. I feel like I can't even imagine it. Still plan to take my name out of branding of the company? Eventually, yes. That is still the goal.

Starting point is 02:56:18 Don't think about it, Luke. Close your mind's eye. I feel like I can imagine myself with one easier than I can imagine you with one Nope it's gross. No. I don't like it. You have to do it Hello from Tampa Returning from Saudi Arabia. We can both do it for Movember. Nope. All right do it now Look at my razors Hello from Tampa. Returning from Saudi Arabia.

Starting point is 02:56:51 Three security agents spent 30 minutes inspecting my mini ITX build from my carry-on. What are some challenges you faced with equipment at airports? The biggest one is the car-nay. It's this stupid piece of paper that that I think it's Canadian Customs insists on or is it you? I can't remember. Someone insists on us having this stupid piece of paper that we bring to the airport and write down the serial numbers of all the like camera filming equipment that we bring with us. And then when we come back, we have to show them the carnet and that this is all equipment that we took with us in And then when we come back, we have to show them the carnet and that this is all

Starting point is 02:57:26 equipment that we took with us in the first place, that we're not importing it. But it's just a piece of paper. There's no tracking. There's no validation. And many of the agents don't even know about it. So it's just a matter of like, if you get the one that cares, then they'll like hassle you about all the gear that you're taking over there, even though you're clearly a professional video equipment person, you don't you don't even have more than one of the same thing. You're obviously not an importer. It's just a big waste of time. It means our camera ops have to show up at the airport like an hour, sometimes an hour and a half earlier. It's just so obnoxious.

Starting point is 02:58:09 It's not a airplane, but I'm gonna tell the story anyways because it's probably been a long time. But one time I had to, for reasons, transport my mineral oil computer from Vancouver Island to back home. And I didn't have a car on the island, so I had to bring it onto a bus. So I had to hand carry on a wooden plank my mineral computer that had like at the

Starting point is 02:58:32 time fish plants in it and stuff but also just computer parts and cables and all this wacky stuff. Absolute genius. The bus driver absolutely did not want to let me on the bus because he thought it was a bomb. And I actually I got on the bus because he thought it was a bomb. And I actually, I got on the bus, but I don't remember how. I don't know if he just eventually kind of gave up and let me or what. I don't remember at this point. But yeah, I got it on the bus eventually and I got it home. But I mean, then I had to take it on the ferry and then all this kind of stuff and it got some looks. It got some looks.

Starting point is 02:59:05 It was probably heavy as hell. It wasn't light. It wasn't particularly light. Part of the spoiler of the story is that it didn't exactly have oil in it at that point in time, or at least not a lot. But the oil was soaked into the wooden plank and I was carrying a computer on a plank for like... Plus the aquarium factor. Many hours, yeah. Ridiculous.

Starting point is 02:59:31 Howdy LDL from Texas. Love the screwdriver and buying one for my dad. Question. AI makes call scams harder to detect. How can we verify who we're speaking to? Maybe encryption keys or back to the old safe words. Safe words. Safe words and just don't... Don't do anything when people call you. Yeah, you can always call people back. Look up their number and call them back. Don't forget they could be SIM jacked, so even calling them back is not 100%... Oh no, don't call their direct number back. Just don't. Like if your bank calls you or something like that. Oh, I was talking like a loved one because you couldn't have a safe word with your bank.

Starting point is 03:00:11 I think they're talking about, like if your wife calls you saying she's held ransom or whatever. I'm sure you could. Call who? I'm sure for the company bank account, you could have a safe word to be honest. I don't know, you'd be surprised how inflexible policy is at places. Again, this comes down to

Starting point is 03:00:40 that whole age-old debate, is Linus Media Group a big company? In the scheme of like, would banks like have a special policy for us? No. It's funny because there are some that would, little tiny credit unions, but like not big boy banks. Maybe, but that's our issue is we're big enough that there's no way we could engage reasonably with a bank like that simply because they don't they wouldn't deal in enough currency for us we deal in GBP euro CAD USD at least and I'm pro there's probably some oh yeah no we definitely have yen Australian dollar yeah we have Chinese Yuan as well

Starting point is 03:01:21 Swedish Krona we deal in all these different currencies. So, no idea. We absolutely have to deal with like a mega bank, just because of all the different income streams that are coming from like Amazon affiliate Australia or whatever, right? I don't even know if that's a thing, but that's an example of the kind of reason

Starting point is 03:01:41 that we might have some international currency coming in. And, but we are not big enough for any organization That's an example of the kind of reason that we might have some international currency coming in and But we are not big enough for any organization like that to give two shots and a limp back about us, so To separate trips or like one so we're in this there are three people So we're just yeah, I don't know. We're in like a weird middle ground. And I'm not complaining. I'm just saying that there have been times that it's been challenging.

Starting point is 03:02:13 Like I remember when I wasn't able to borrow like literally a few months of revenue for like, for some reason for the business, just because they like didn't recognize what kind of business we were. It didn't matter. It didn't matter that I'd be able to pay it back in a trivial amount of time. Didn't matter. We just couldn't because we're nobody. Yep. All right. Hit me. All right. Let's see. Yeah. Hi, LLD, about to receive a utility patent.

Starting point is 03:02:48 Any advice for getting a device from prototype to finished product? Any pitfalls to avoid? ClearDriver will go great with my OG Black Shaft driver. Thanks. Any advice for getting it to finished product? Be patient. Time estimate times three.

Starting point is 03:03:03 Do it right. Understand that there may be compromises to be made along the way. For instance, there is one compromise on this. There's almost no way that you guys would be able But there's like around the bits of the ratchet mechanism, like the metal spine that comes out of the housing here, there's kind of like a thin part of the wall. It goes all the way around. So it doesn't really, like it doesn't matter, you know? But I know it's there. It wasn't what we were trying to do.

Starting point is 03:03:42 We wanted it to sit cleaner to the- I don't know what you're talking about's there. It wasn't what we were trying to do. We wanted it to to sit cleaner to the I don't know you're talking about. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter It's better if no one else can find it But the point is there will be little compromises be ready for that But also stick to your guns when it comes to quality never compromise on on the long-lasting Ness of the product. As for pitfalls to avoid, oh man,

Starting point is 03:04:14 carefully QC what you get back from the factory. Make sure it's actually what you asked them for. I still remember the first time we got a sample driver from the Chinese manufacturer that we switched to from the Taiwanese ratchet manufacturer and it was like, okay, but not quite right. And it turned out that they had somehow never gotten our drawings and had just cloned it based on the sample product we sent instead of creating it from the drawings. And it was close enough that we couldn't tell.

Starting point is 03:04:45 Wild that that was a default action. Yeah. They didn't go, oh, you don't have drawings or anything? They were just like, yeah, we got it. We knew it was like, we knew it was wrong, but we couldn't tell why it was that close. Wow. That's wild.

Starting point is 03:05:00 Hi, the cat distribution system sent a six month old cat my way She adapted well to the home and to me but is spicy with my resident old cats line us any tips from your shed kitten Rescue into intro better. No, I mean they'll be the first thing anyone ever says to me is try fell away I found it really expensive and doesn't especially do anything fell away. I found it really expensive and doesn't especially do anything. Pete Slauson What the heck is that? Jared Slauson It's like a cat pheromone that you just put into a wall plug like those plug-in air fresheners. I just have not observed any difference in

Starting point is 03:05:34 my cat's behavior across like half a dozen different cats now and I just, I don't believe in it. I'm sure someone somewhere has had success with it, but I just haven't. As for how things have gone with our cats, our resident older lady cat was extremely aggressive with the new ones and she now lives with my aunt. That doesn't mean we don't love her anymore and it doesn't mean that we don't go to see her, but she is much happier as a single cat household kitty and that was what was best for her and honestly my aunt is also thriving with Dash living with her. I've told my aunt that she's a crazy cat lady in training for like 20 years

Starting point is 03:06:13 now and it was just a matter of convincing my uncle but Dash is just the coolest cat and within about three days he was telling my aunt they know they're not getting this cat back right so she's in an extremely loving home and one of the things my aunt was concerned about is that they're getting on in years and so we made it very clear to her that if anything were to happen um dash is will will come back to us and we'll just figure out how to integrate them better hello oh yeah sorry go for it. I have a message from Sir Conrad. Merch message anonymous button is fixed. It was an issue on the US site due to an app that we don't use anyways. So he just installed the app and the full point auth button is on the global site now. cuz the sick the one who called you mr. moomoo

Starting point is 03:07:06 something or other what's his name again con Chad instead of conrad oh okay that's good you get a ding for that he's a Chad I thought you said calm calm you know I was like what what's going on yeah um hello newcombe dinus and lan linus with your motorcycle being done soon i ride a cruiser style yamaha and regularly do iron butt rides every year what's the longest ride you've done on your bike uh it's iron but not a particularly long ride but i don't ride a particularly comfortable bike. I went straight down to Seattle from Vancouver and that was the longest no stops trip that I've taken on my motorbike.

Starting point is 03:07:55 I'm not like an avid rider. I don't like go riding for the weekend or anything like that. Don't really have time. I'd love to. Armor trimming on a bicycle? It's a 2003 SV650S. Jokes for six people. Okay, let's see.

Starting point is 03:08:14 Morning, LLD. I work in a secure office, which means no Wi-Fi or Bluetooth devices. I would still like a device to track and remind me of meetings. Do you have any ideas? I've been looking at electronic organizers from the 90s. Yeah, those track and remind me of meetings. Would they accept a device that has the Wi-Fi Bluetooth chipset taken out of it? That's a good question. Seems like a reasonable thing to do.

Starting point is 03:08:51 If they had a person who was capable of making sure that they were removed properly. That is probably the biggest problem. So you'd need something that by default doesn't have that despite the ability to add that to things. Yeah. This is probably a secure office not like a military spec. You are not allowed to have things on you and we will scan you and search you. I mean I know there's like there's like digital watches that have no smart capabilities that have like multiple alarms

Starting point is 03:09:28 Okay, I didn't know the multiple alarms part. That's why I didn't actually say yeah Yeah, virtual said I says that's not surprising we are told that even wireless keyboards are security risks some offices are crazy Look that's what we should do on top of ThreatLocker is ban all wireless devices. Nice. Okay, FogelBR says, likely not. If this is a SIF, then the device has to be on approved lists from the government. Interesting. Yeah, no, I don't know, man. A secure information facility? Is that what SIF says? Yeah, vintage PalmPilot. I think a lot of those older pocket PCs and stuff, no, I don't know, man. A secure information facility? Is that what CIFS says? Yeah, vintage Palm pilot.

Starting point is 03:10:06 I think a lot of those older pocket PCs and stuff, though they had wifi. You'd have to go quite old. Yeah. Like nineties. Like you could get an Apple Newton. No, I think even that. Oh no, yeah, it doesn't have wifi. It doesn't have wifi in the default configuration.

Starting point is 03:10:22 You would be so cool if you rocked up with an Apple Newton. That would be sick. Apple Newton, that's my official recommendation. Let's go. I second that. Okay. Hi, dopamine serotonin and oxytocin. You have mentioned having lots of games in your Steam libraries which you have not had a chance to play What were some of the hidden gems once you played them? I actually did a whole video Really? Yep And then I never

Starting point is 03:10:57 Actually I in the video I was like here I am trying every unplayed game in my steam backlog. I did this four years ago I was like, here I am trying every unplayed game in my Steam backlog, I did this four years ago. It was really fun and I found a bunch of games that I was like, oh, I'm gonna come back and play this one. Never did. Oh, you can favorite things in Steam. I know, I know, I need to go back

Starting point is 03:11:17 and rewatch this video now. So that I know which ones I wanted to play. Luke, I had a shared account just like that on Steam. Only I was the one who ended up with the account in the end. So did he. Yeah. It was a blast seeing the new games and giving them a try for free. Nice.

Starting point is 03:11:37 Honestly, it was surprisingly fun. And the last one I've got for you tonight is Luke have you started any new Final Fantasy games yet no but I'm gonna play tactics oh are you going which one are you gonna play isn't there well no the one coming to steam so there okay okay that's not the only only version so I would say that playing the pixel remaster for Final Fantasy 6 was actually a mistake I wouldn't say you should like replay it at this point cuz I'm whatever Replay it. I'm not playing it again. I know I wouldn't say you should replay it, but I If I were to go back and tell you hey, you got to play this game again

Starting point is 03:12:23 I would have you play the original SNES version. Oh, I see. So for Tactics, obviously, I haven't played the new one yet, but there are actually now, I would say, three valid choices for playing Final Fantasy Tactics. One would be, obviously, the new one that's coming to Steam. Another would be Final Fantasy Tactics for PlayStation 1, the original release, and the other would be Final Fantasy Tactics War of the Lions.

Starting point is 03:12:54 So War of the Lions... Is this a remaster or is this a different game? So it was kind of it was kind of a re-release slash update. Android! Well, no, it's for the PSP. Android iOS it says. Since when is that for what? I don't know, it's just both of them.

Starting point is 03:13:18 Don't worry about that, it's for the PSP. It was released in 1997 and is considered by many to be kind of the, I don't know, the definitive version of Final Fantasy Tactics. However, as someone who never actually played War of the Lions, I can't tell you that I think any of the things they added to it would improve anything. Oh, well, look at that. You can get War of the Lions for iOS and Android. Okay, that's cool. But I wouldn't say that anything that I can see that they added to it would significantly improve the game for me. It has a less janky translation, but in my opinion...

Starting point is 03:14:04 I enjoy that. I enjoy the jankier translation. In my opinion, the original janky translation, aside from a couple cases where meanings can be obscured a little bit, is part of its charm. Mm hmm. And Don't sell me a dog drugstore cowboy. And some of the like new characters just felt like

Starting point is 03:14:24 What? No one's going to understand that reference but yeah just felt like kind of cringy fan service so you kid there's a couple new classes but like they seem pretty OP I'm googling it no one cares, look play whatever version of the game you want I don't really like playing games on my phone I'm just thinking yeah, yeah So you've got three you've got three valid options to play and I'm afraid to recommend Ivalice Chronicles, the re-release. Don't sell me a dog.

Starting point is 03:15:12 Don't sell me a dog, drugstore cowboy, with a huge crest in the middle for some reason. This isn't the exact one, but I saw this on a hat in Taiwan my first time, second time there, and I bought it for Emma. I still have that. That's good. I like bad translations. So here's something, and yes,

Starting point is 03:15:30 Sydney Brokett is saying this in chat. The remake is removing a bunch of the fan service-y things in World of the Lions. So it's apparently meant to be, apparently the source code was lost. Is that right, you guys? So they ended up having having it's very much like a fan service game, but was was initiated by like Someone from the original team like replaying it again and being like no

Starting point is 03:15:55 This is this is the definitive version and wanting to bring it to modern platforms instead of war of the lions, which Yeah, apparently it'll include a classic version. Yeah, apparently. Oh, okay. No, I think they, I think I thought I was reading that they lost at least some of the source. Apparently Ivalice Chronicles will include two different versions of the game, enhanced and classic.

Starting point is 03:16:17 So which would you play? Enhanced or classic? So I need to really get through the details of the changes. If it's just graphics, honestly, I don't care. There was a mode where you could kind of see the old graphics on the Pixel Remaster, and I was like, sure, I could take either, it's fine.

Starting point is 03:16:40 So the classic version of the re-release will have the War of the Lions translation though. So if you want the original PlayStation kind of janky translation, you'll have to emulate PlayStation 1, which can be done very easily these days. You have time to decide. Maybe I'll buy the Steam one and then emulate it. Yeah, that's a valid choice. Because I never bought this back in the day. I don't have any like... I didn't have any Final Fantasy... the only game I had was Final Fantasy 8. Ooh, here's a valid choice. Because I never bought this back in the day. In my opinion. I don't have any like... I didn't have any Final Fantasy. The only game I had was Final Fantasy VIII.

Starting point is 03:17:08 Ooh, here's a fun piracy conversation. Sure. I own a Final Fantasy Tactics disc for PlayStation 1. Oh. If I lent you my disc, and I didn't play the game, then I'd be okay. while you were playing it, that's valid?

Starting point is 03:17:22 I'd be okay with that. You'd be okay emulating it? Yeah. Well, I won't. because technically I have an old PlayStation They oh, this is interesting. People are like valid chat says valid. I think it's fine chat says valid. I think it's fine Well, I'm not I mean, I'm not giving it to you because I actually love that They're remastering the original game and they should get money for it. Yeah, I'm cool with that. I'm not gonna lend you the game I'm fine with that. Yeah, it's one of the handful of like retro games that I own.

Starting point is 03:17:48 Actually, I think I bought it from David when he did his liquidation sale. I was like, Oh, you have Final Fantasy Tactics. I played this game like three times and I've never owned a copy. I feel bad. I would either go to Willow and buy my own old school copy or I think it is also fair in my opinion to buy the new one and then just emulate the old one. I think that's fine. Okay. opinion to buy the new one and then just emulate the old one. I think that's fine.

Starting point is 03:18:06 Okay, that is, my brain is okay with that. You know what my brain's okay with? Telling you guys, hey, we'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye! I was only three hours today. I missed the old windshield, the five hour long windshield. We did over four hours left.

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