The WAN Show - You Have Burning Questions - WAN Show March 28, 2025

Episode Date: March 29, 2025

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We uploaded our How Does LTT Make Money video earlier this week and you might have noticed the thumbnail is a little mangled. That's because there's also been some new information surfacing around the whole honey thing. Oh. It's all about the money. It's all about the honey money, money honey.

We've got a lot of great topics for you guys, so we'll be answering some of your questions. We're also gonna be talking about, oh, 23andMe, filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. Who could have seen this coming? Who indeed? Perhaps a officer of vision somewhere, a chief of some sort. Now, what else we got this week you stole one of mine

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Yeah. Secret lab. I really didn't get over the way. There we go. Man, it's a good thing we didn't both go the correct direction. It could have been disastrous. Because we're not going to miss the WAN Show, so it'll just be me and Luke unconscious in our chairs for the next three hours. Wake up, mild concussion, keep going. Alright, so you guys had some questions about the how does LTT make money video? And I'm not sure if we will answer all of them because I have not yet had a chance to read this document.

I've been busy all day getting ready for our infrastructure test at Smash Champs. I guess we'll have to be talking about that, because that is where Luke and I are going after this. Because what better way to test the infrastructure for a LAN facility than to play video games all night? Yeah. I mean, there's really no other way to do it. Yeah. It's a tough job, but... I guess we'll...

We'll soldier. We'll soldier through. We will. Yeah. All right, through. We will. All right. So here we go. On March 25th, Linus Media Group Inc. uploaded The Truth about how LTT makes money, a video featuring several members of the team breaking down several income streams that contribute to LMG's revenue.

Naturally, this spawned some discussion in our official but officially recognized subreddit as well as on the LTT forum and we thought we would try to address some of the speculation. Speculation number one from u slash just and Nick attempted a breakdown showing that they did the math because they're able to see our float plane subscriber count and the percentage of the chart that was float plane and extrapolate from there, guessing that our revenue number is somewhere between 32.6 and 65.3 million dollars. Elijah responded to the post saying, all I will say is

this, if it was this simple to figure out the number, we probably wouldn't have included that in the video. There are several factors not taken into account. Also, the range you just gave was massive LMAO. However, I will add to Elijah's response that, yeah, it probably is somewhere in that range. There's actually there's there's factors to it that help it be higher and there's factors to it that help it be lower. One of the help it be lower ones is that I don't think this person factored in OG subs,

which are actually three dollars. Yeah, and we have a fair amount, how many OG subs do we have? Quite a few. Like hundreds or thousands? Not hundreds. Definitely not hundreds. A lot more than hundreds. That's too bad. And those $3 subs really, wow, do they ever not?

They don't cost this money. We make money off of them. Yeah, but they don't add up as fast as the other ones. I'll tell you that much. The other ones just do a lot better. Yeah. Because it's like delta over your costs, right? Yes.

So when it, anyways, I don't need to explain that. And the three dollar subs also have more overhead associated with collecting that payment because every payment has a fixed cost as well as a percentage of the overall transaction. So. Yeah, a higher percentage of it is like transaction fees and stuff like that.

So like it doesn't even make it to us. It just goes to PayPal or Stripe. Basically, with how much you pay in fees and taxes and overhead, you might as well just not even run it. Why am I even here? You know what? Pitches the headphones. Another thing that I would say though is so okay, we lowered the range a little bit there

but another thing that I would say to increase the range is that we're not the only creator on the platform and there's other creators contributing to that pie. Some of them very significantly. Dankpods! Dankpods has quite a few subscribers. I had something upside down stuck in my throat there. There's actually a decent amount of creators on Flowplain that I just really actively watch their content on Flowplain.

Which is kind of sick. Well, yeah, because Flowplain's kind of cool. Yeah. And I mean, you don't have to subscribe to all of them. Yeah, I have. Do you? Do you, really? Okay, you.

If I follow a channel for technical reasons, I won't pay for the sub. Okay. But if I'm like, I want to support this creator, I'll, yeah, I'll just pay for the sub. I'd have to if it was on Patreon. Very cool. So like, I don't know. know that's that it's the right thing to do I would think speculation no look there's there's one I have at a time directly

subscribed I don't know if I am right now I have at a time been directly subscribed to dank pods for instance, because there was a while where my sleep schedule was all whack. So I was awake more often when he was actively streaming and I would just have his drum stream in the background while I was working. So it was like, yeah, I mean, nice. I'm just actually watching this, like for fun content. So that's understandable.

Yeah. I mean, wait's super cool. Yeah. Speculation number two, since some channels contributed so little, that's why they were shut down. So the reference here is, of course, to the not LTT, or short circuit or tech links channels, because you got to remember for most of last year, actually even LMG Clips earns more than TechWiki GameLynch. I can address this in there somewhere. Channel's super fun.

There is, okay, hold on, I'm gonna read the official response first. But there's, it is worth noting, yes, good. It is worth noting that that chart only shows AdSense, not sponsorships, which when one channel uploads 15 videos over the course of an entire year and another channel uploads almost, you know, two videos a day, in the case of LMG Clips, well of course that channel channel's gonna make less AdSense, but there is more to the revenue of a channel

than just AdSense, and that was one of the points that we were trying to drive home in this video is- The AdSense is like a smaller part of the pie these days. How does the creator economy work exactly? How do these numbers break down at an organization that isn't just a YouTube channel? And not every YouTube channel will fall, and I think we say this in the video, but not every YouTube channel will follow similar splits to what we have.

No. But this is ours. No, not at all, but this is ours. Point number two on this one is the shutting down of the channels was never about the money. I made that explicitly clear at the time. And I know that there is a cohort of people that believe that every time I open my mouth, I am lying. That is not in fact the case.

If I say it wasn't about the money, I can't tell you what it was about. It means it wasn't about the money, but I can't give you any more detail about what exactly it was about At the end of the day We made a decision to pause the production to focus on The areas we needed to focus on and make LMG as awesome as it can possibly be

All right Speculation number three was that we should have just said how much money we make in the video. Some people said big companies show their revenue all the time, why can't LMG? And the answer is that because those publicly traded companies by law are required to disclose certain aspects of their finances for their shareholders. LMG is still a private company, and we don't have to go as far as we did, but we made a decision to do so knowing that a lot of people The ones who care anyway are gonna go and do the math for themselves anyway, and realistically coming back to speculation number one Probably end up in the right range or so the thing that you guys don't know

Of course is what our expenses look like what our overhead looks like we have over a higher than you think we have over a hundred People on staff like we Like, we went from, I think in our first year, our total revenues were, I'm a little rusty on this, it was under a million dollars, though. Our total top line revenue was under one million dollars in our first year of operation. And nowadays, I'll say this. Oh, okay. How do I, how do I not get too specific? It's a lot more than that.

Nowadays, depending on which period it's for, there are regularly pay periods where, whether it's with expense, expense reimbursements or whatever else I'm gonna keep this fuzzy and that's intentional but there are regularly pay periods where the overall withdrawal from the companies coffers is greater than that it happens sorry paper by paper I saw I mean monthly, monthly. Back then we paid on a monthly basis. So there are months where our overall payroll expense is greater than the entire revenue

for the company in our first year of operation. Of course, in the first year, that wasn't a huge problem because the entire employee count was me, Luke, Ed, Brandon. Brandon didn't even start January 1st. No, no, no. He started in like April or something like that. Was it just the four of us after one year or had we added-

Were we in the new house before the end of the year? We were. So- Oh, do you want to hear something scary? It is almost Colton's 10-year anniversary. Think about what that means. When did Colton start? Right before we moved to the office. Wow. Look at his face! Look at his face. I was analyzing something that happened and I was trying to like, I was looking at something and I was like, okay, we shouldn't do this anymore. And then I was thinking back to myself

in a similar role in the past. Yeah. Because I was like, like, how should I address this? And I was like, well, like I've done this thing that we shouldn't do. So I'm trying to like put myself in those shoes to understand what it's like, right? And then I had the thought of like, that was nine years ago. Because it was 2016. I know, because I split off to do for myself in 2017. I looked at the date and I was like, and I was like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

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I did see a lot of people talking about how there's a huge difference between revenue and profit. And I will say, before anyone bothers to ask this one, there is a very good reason that we don't get into the profitability of each of those segments of the business. And the reason is that we actually can't really, at least not without adding a bunch of completely unnecessary administrative overhead. Like how on earth would I tell you guys exactly what the cost is of a, actually, tech link

would be relatively easy because there's a small team that works on that for a finite number of hours every day. But- And like what's the value of the earnings of one department floating another department while they cook for a while and then make tons of money? Well, okay, that we could kind of figure out. But where I was getting with this is, how do I determine the cost of an LTT video? There's so many parts to that. I would have

to log every single hour of every single person involved from the business team talking to clients to procurement, sourcing product to the labs team doing testing to the writing team to the shooting team to the editing involved the administrative stuff like Did did they talk about this in there in their one-on-one? With an executive. Yeah, did anyone in accounting have to do any reconciliation for it? Probably You could kind of try to approximate it and sponsor money isn't free a business person had to work to get it and we kind Of do we kind of do try to approximate those things in order to make sure that every aspect of the business is running in a healthy manner.

And clearly we're doing okay. But if our whole goal with this type of transparency with you guys is that it's supposed to be accurate, then the most accurate way for us to do it is to give you something that we can actually trust, something that we know is actually accurate. So one of the things that a lot of people brought up is like, hey, with how much of the business is merch now, over 50%, why do they even bother with the video side? But it's murkier than that, right?

Because a lot of that apparel sales and product sales is driven by that video production business. It's just that we've chosen to allocate the revenue into buckets this way. There are easily other ways that we could allocate it. Like if we created internal tracking links that we put under every single video, we could potentially track merchandise sales right back to individual videos and we could have like a P&L for every single video production that we do, but then, you know, we're gonna have to have a team that sits there and runs all of this stuff,

which a bigger business than us, you know, if we were 250 people or 500 people instead of about 100 ish, yeah, might actually make sense for us to continue to, you know, optimize and continue to do better or whatever. But right now, we're too busy doing stuff to analyze it to quite that degree. Another question that came up before you guys bothered to send a merch message for this one is, hey, yo Linus, with how little of it is actually... Here, hold on. I'm going to see if I can find the pie chart with how little of it is actually those those in video like pre roll and end roll things.

Why exactly do you bother including them? Can you just can you just not do in video sponsor spots? It is a good question, and it is something that I have considered. But what I will say is that you gotta remember, guys, this is revenue. Nine percent of the pie really isn't nothing. So if we were to take nine percent of this out, this is a very low low cost aspect of our production. Right? So we would be losing 9% of our revenue. But I'm just going to look at all the rest of this stuff. AdSense, sponsored projects.

9% is a massive section of the pie that just cut out. This is probably other than pasting affiliate links under videos This is probably the lowest lift part of this entire pie So you're not really asking us to cut out 9% of our revenue. You're asking us to cut out effectively 9% Like you're effectively asking us to cut out that 9% of our revenue that was almost pure profit Yeah, that slice is much closer to profit than yeah our revenue that was almost pure profit. Yeah, that slice is much closer to profit than practically anything else. Whereas like if you were to look at something like CW, right? Like a huge chunk of this piece is just cogs, cost of goods sold.

Like it accounts for absolutely nothing other than us buying the product before we sell it to you. Huge. Then you've got tooling and development. Then you've got, you know, tooling and development. Then you've got, you know, human resources. All of our products are designed here in Canada by our team here. So it's not like we're using just like cheap overseas labor and we're just like still screening our logo onto a screwdriver or something. Like it's

not like that. We're doing real design work. There's also, you know, because of the famous trust me bro guarantee that for whatever reason turned into a scandal, a significant amount of cost here in returns. There was a reason. Oh, there's a reason, but the reasons are far more complicated than just what the reasons are. I know, you just try to slip that in all the time and I you know, I do

You can trust me bro about that The point is that that that is a significant cost that we bear here So if you were to say, okay Linus stop doing creator warehouse, I don't know this off the top of my head But I will say with some degree of confidence that the actual profitability of this is probably not that far off of this. Yeah. With that said- I mean, you could kind of say the same about AdSense, right?

Like it's not, it's not, these aren't- I'm just turning that off too. Yeah. These aren't, these aren't showing necessarily all the stuff that goes into it because those like in-video sponsor spots, AdSense, sponsored projects, those are laying on top of the video production crew. Yes.

And in-video sponsor spots is also laying on top of the video production crew. Yeah. So if we were just making the videos, right, our costs are the same regardless of whether we have AdSense and in video sponsor spots. So I have thought about it. I have never gotten as far as discussing that as a possibility with the rest of the team. Unique username says, now I really want a profitability chart, but I can't. Because there's so many resources here.

Like our talent and culture coordination team, HR. Like our HR team, our accounting team. How do I allocate them? Like the accounting team does work for like smash champs sometimes. Do they log every one of those hours in a log book? Does somebody audit that log book? Like, come on, come on, we don't need to do that.

We don't have time for that. That's one of the major- Some of it kind of does work that way, actually. Like- Yes't need to do that. We don't have time for that. That's one of the major. Some of it kind of does work that way actually. Like. Yes, I know some does. Yeah. Some of the development in particular. However.

Those are contractors. That's a workflow that contract developers are like. Kind of used to. Used to. Like that's just part of it. It works. When you're just an employee for a company that shares all the same ownership team or ownership group there's no good reason to do that unless there's like

Unless we're trying to unless we're trying to kind of root out waste in some way like hey is this project not making sense? Because we're like really spending a lot of time on this Like if we're kind of doing an investigation then I would would say that we would get into logging stuff like that. But just in terms of day-to-day operation, no, I don't think we would. Feel free to, anyway, like I said, feel free to send some more merch messages if you have more questions. We do have a discussion question here from Elijah. Can Elijah have a raise? Because he did such a good job with this video and now knows how much the company makes. Okay, so two things, Elijah. Number one is, no, you don't know how much the company makes. We already talked about that because you only see the revenue.

Get rekt. And number two, no. Get rekt. Or maybe, but I'm actually not in charge of that. That was one of the big- Hasn't been for a bit. That was one of the big reasons that I wanted to let go of the leadership reins because the reality of it was, while I've talked about this in the past, I could be CEO of the company.

I didn't have time to really know what everyone was doing, what everyone was doing, how good of a job they were doing, you know, did they deserve a raise? And then also be the primary host and that creative energy guy and sit on this podcast for three to four and a half hours a week. And like all the other things that I do. I didn't have time to do a good job. And so I'd be in these like annual reviews where we're talking about compensation.

And it got to the point where I was like, if we get any bigger, I'm just going to be going on gut feel, which is not okay. That's not good enough. And so, no, I do not determine Elijah's compensation. How has that been? Has it felt like a good... Because I know some things, I don't know this, I suspect some things you had hoped to let go of and probably weren't fully able to just because it is how it is, not because someone wasn't doing things correctly. But I know this. I suspect some things you had hoped to let go of and probably weren't fully able to just because it is how it is, not because someone wasn't doing things correctly. But I know that you were able to let go of. Has that felt like a weight off? It's been hard because there are cases where I felt like I want to be involved. But part of letting go of something is that you have to actually let go and the

second that I have someone come to me like let's say you came to me and you were like hey I'm not happy with my compensation the second I took that and I put my finger on the scale now I'm basically in charge of it again yeah think about it right because the second you do that someone else the second you do that, someone else is gonna do that. And then someone else is gonna do that. And then Taryn's gonna be sitting there going, okay, well, what is the point of even putting together these performance metrics

and these reviews and these management layers and this budgeting? Why am I even doing any of this if Linus is just gonna come in and say, oh yeah, well, like Luke's kind of my buddy outside of the work that he does. Do it this way. Like he's blonde. So like that's cool. You know, I mean, that's a problem in its own way. But like he's sexy. So, you know, right? Like it's ridiculous. So it's probably good that you don't do those things. So, you know, look, and it's, and it's ridiculous. Oh, God. It's probably good that you don't do those things.

Look, and it's one of those things where Luke's and my relationship is particularly complicated because we are friends and he has talked to me about his compensation. But what I have to do is I have to basically say, okay, I am taking off my company hat and I feel like, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like I have given you, from the benefit of my experience, friend advice that is not necessarily aligned with the corporation's best interests. I would also like to, so I agree. I would also like to put forward

that I think I came to those conversations looking for that, not the other side. Yeah, oh, 100%. So I think it worked out great. It is a very weird and complicated relationship. I think we both do a pretty good job. We try. But sometimes it doesn't work out perfectly. But what I didn't do and what I wouldn't do is take what he told me as a friend and

raise it up the flagpole. Which I also didn't want him to. Take it up the chain because that's not the way that's supposed to work. The way it's supposed to work is if Luke has a concern, and I'm not saying Luke was complaining about his own pay. What I'm saying is that something to do with compensation, Luke had a concern that he wasn't sure how to approach and he wanted to talk to me as a friend.

So we did, but I can't, I can't put my thumb on the scale because it's a mistake. Even necessarily one of those scenarios, but like, and I have struggled with this. And I've tried to coach people who manage people under me on this same thing. I struggle with it now. I will probably always struggle with it.

You have to let certain things like fail. Yeah, oh yeah. Oh God. Oh dude, it's so hard. It's so painful. Think about the number of ideas that you've either pitched me or heard pitched to me like fail? Yeah, oh yeah. Oh god. Oh dude, it's so hard. It's so painful. Think about the number of ideas that you've either pitched me or heard pitched to me that I've been like, I do not believe this will work, but try anything twice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How many times have you heard me say those words? Quite a few times. Like I don't think I could count it. You can't fit it on hands. I don't know how many times. It's so hard and it is tough but like and you have to also understand that when you're on the like receiving end of that

That and I'm not saying this is one of those scenarios Yeah, but in all of these scenarios like anything that Linus had to give up. I think hmm Can I say this? I don't say anything you want free country I think what am I gonna do fire on them problem that we had when you and Yvonne were holding certain positions was that you guys wouldn't let certain things fail sometimes too much. And then that limits people's growth potentials. Sometimes you have to, as a manager, you have to weigh the, what is the loss of letting this thing fail versus the actual real loss of this person not learning this thing.

Dude, people have to learn things for themselves. Yeah. Do you know how many things? You can't just tell people. Dude, the number of things. Okay, okay. Here's a perfect example. This applies to everyone.

Here's a perfect example that completely changed the trajectory of my life. Okay? When I was going into school, okay, I joined the science program at UBC and I was like, I don't know, I'll do whatever it is that science people do. And like, I had no idea what I wanted to do for a career. I just, I knew that you're supposed to have a degree because that's what my generation was told. And also a high school diploma was worthless by the time I got one. And so I went to university, I like, I got to a good school, and I went to science because I mean, that'll look good on my resume, right? And my uncle told me,

so my uncle says, look, you're making a mistake. Go into business, learn business, because everything is business. I went, Uncle Skip, he's always pushing this business agenda, but I'm gonna do science. And he was 100% right. I didn't understand what business was. No, it sounded boring. It sounded like wearing a suit. Yeah. I had no idea that business can be plumbing. Be like literally anything. It could be like literally anything. It can be literally anything. You can use business learning.

Like some of the best stuff I learned at BCIT when I was taking a development course was the mandatory business courses that came along with it because they were like communications and other things like that. And I used those more than probably anything else I learned at that school. I never used Java.

I didn't program in Java professionally ever. And I don't know, but I never used Java. I didn't program in Java professionally ever. I don't know, but I used all the business courses. Because like, so to the plumber example, you can be a plumber and you can make a salary or you can run a plumbing business and you can make, if you are successful, which will take some work, some luck, right?

If you are successful, you can make many times a salary. And that was his point. His point was no matter what you do. Even if you go somewhere and earn a salary, you can use those things you learned in business to help accelerate your career. Like it's working within that organization and being useful within that organization

can be amplified by understanding business stuff. So yeah, that was a thing that changed my life, but I had to... Sorry, sorry. PK7 said I'm gonna slightly modify... Oh no, it's exactly what he said. Or you can become a farmer and make a celery. Do the thing. I was thinking about it. My hand was hovering. I'm not going with this. Okay, so the point is that he explained it to me. He told me everything that I'm telling you guys now. I have no new information

Than I had yeah, but what I have is Knowledge which is what I value a lot more than my car We got some books. We got some Star Wars books. The Jedi path unleashed. Why is that there? Is that yours? Did you like order that and forget it here or something? I have no idea who it is. Why are there Star Wars books there? Do you want to get them? They've been here forever. Yeah, I don't

know how long these have been here. You're sure they're not yours? I don't. Because you totally read like trashy Star Wars literature and you totally get your stuff shipped to the office. I don't think I would have bought this though. How sure are you? Not a hundred percent sure but if I did buy it would have been a long time ago. It's yours. I don't care about it My set deck. He'll read it From the camera angle we never use

Are you sure it's not supposed to actually be set deck? Like I feel like I should probably leave it here. I don't know why it's in cellophane then. FogelBR asks, I'll ask this here in float plane chat. Can you empathize with those of us who miss you being more unguarded like you were in the past? Now it seems like with Taryn being so guarded, part of the allure of getting to know business insider things is gone, which is one of the reasons I've been a fan.

Am I being guarded right now? I don't, and I don't think Taron being here would be the reason for that change. I also don't personally think Taron is super guarded. No. To be honest, I think that's a misread. Yeah, I mean, he's not as accessible. Sure.

Because he's not on WAN show every week. Sure, but that doesn't mean he's guarded. No, no, it just means he's, but I can understand why they have the perception. Sure, it's just, I'm just pointing out there that I don't think it's true. Like, I'm pretty readily available. I am, like, whenever I see a message somewhere

about how impossible Linus is to get in touch with, I'm like, yo, you didn't try that hard. Yeah. Like, I am not that hard to get my attention. It's possible that you had a terrible, terrible idea. And so I didn't acknowledge it, but I might have seen it. In fact, depending where you put it, I probably saw it.

But I'll have, dude, I'll have people say how hard I am to get in touch with, and they literally haven't emailed the public email address on our YouTube channel. They haven't posted on the forum. Like they just, they didn't even try. I've had situations like that before with myself and I don't even know if I'm as easy to contact as you are but there's some pretty obvious ways to get a hold of me. There are ones that don't work. Like I don't, I do not get notifications for DMs on

Twitter for instance. Your DMs are open? Yeah but I I don't look at them. Yeah, see mine a little harder. My DMs are not open. Oh, okay. But you can tweet at me. Wow, are you just like too cool, too popular? It's like this guy, man, he's got his Steam friends offline by default, because he's just too cool and popular and people will like wanna game with him,

because he's too cool. He's so popular. Oh my goodness. So I could never like find him in my list. You can just favorite people. I set you as a favorite, yeah. Oh, so, so I could never like find him in my list you can just say he's a favorite. Yeah. Oh so wow So you think you deserve to be a favorite because you're too cool Favorite it online cuz you're too cool and popular to be ever online. I don't search for you I see how it is my goodness. I see how it is. He's just too cool and popular

I mean look all we have to do is look at any kind of controversy, right? And it's like Linus bad, Luke cool and popular. Why does he hang out with that Linus guy? Maybe it's because of actions and words. Wow. See, he's mean. He just does it with a big smile.

So you're all like, oh, Luke, he's so funny. That was me. He hurt my feelings just now. Nah, I don't have feelings. I'm a narcissist. Sociopath or what? What have I been accused of? No, just narcissism, right? Has anyone called me a sociopath yet? Probably. You know what? I'm gonna search the channel. There's a lot of words out there. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna search the channel for con comments that contains sociopath you can't get out ahead of it I'm gonna do it too fast Are we supposed to be doing right now, I think we're still in the house LTT make money topic. Oh, okay Hold on Elijah had one more conversation question

Do you think being as transparent as we've been as a company has shot us in the foot? Yeah. Yes. It's shot us in the foot for the future. This applies to several aspects, sponsor relationships, finances, product development, et cetera. Oh, no, not to those things, to be honest.

Yeah, no, just. Mostly community stuff. Yeah, no, it's just, it's always amazing to me to see people turn a W into an L You know and take something like that video that we did and it's fine to ask more questions I understand why people are curious, right? But some people seem to be legitimately angry that we didn't say more that we didn't show more if you do it at all You didn't do it far enough. Yeah

Like now off. Yeah, basically. Yeah. Yeah. Most people wouldn't have done this at all. Some people do it. There are other examples. Yeah, I mean, Mr. Beast is shockingly transparent. He doesn't have to be. Yeah. Is he publicly traded yet? I thought he's... Did he do a private sale of stock? Yeah, I think he sold privately. Private sale? Yeah. Oh yeah, I was going to talk about that earlier, how one of the reasons that we've never taken outside money is because of how much less of that internal tracking nonsense we have to do when the ownership is identical for all the companies.

So I can say, oh my goodness, We need a thing developed for LTT store Where on earth will I find a developer? Yeah, the Store stuff neither of them actually work for Linus Media Group Yeah, so and that's something that I think we're probably gonna do like a like a restructuring That's a really scary word, but it's not gonna be scary the way that we're doing it we're gonna be doing like a restructuring, that's a really scary word, but it's not going to be scary the way that we're doing it. We're going to be doing like a restructuring at some point where we take some departments whole, okay?

Everyone chill. If you work here and you're watching this, chill. They're restructuring! I know. So we take some departments in their entirety and then we shift what organization they actually work for. I think I might have even talked about this on WAN Show before, but we want to take some departments in their entirety and then we shift what organization they actually work for. I think I might have even talked about this on WAN Show before, but we want to take some

things like human resources, accounting, development potentially and make them a pooled resource like customer service. Infrastructure. Is there any good reason why we have fragmented customer service, a different customer service team for Float Plane and Creator Warehouse. I mean, everyone's job on both of those teams is basically to say yes. So, or say no if people are being completely unreasonable.

I just mean- It's pretty rare. I just mean the flows are pretty straightforward. We actually say yes to a lot of very unreasonable things. I know. Just so you know. I know, I know. That is the marching orders. I had a Just so you know. I know, I know. It's uh... That is the marching

orders. I had a long conversation with another creator many years ago, many years ago, about how obviously, you know, we'd be in a position where regardless of our stated warranty policies, we'd be insane to step out of line in any way. And this long conversation was very well understood, very well understood by the other creator at the time. And I don't know, somewhere along the line, someone got confused about it at some point. And we had the trust me bro controversy. But yeah, we would be, we'd be insane.

I mean, look look how look how explosive things are when we actually like don't harm anybody yeah name a name name someone who didn't get warranty coverage on their backpack name a name me really no really oh how many free backpacks do you have? Two. Three. Three. F***ing guy. I got it wrong. Oh man. Yeah.

The one that I have that has the old carabiners, I think you even saw this. I'm on like a mission to not let them break. Really? The only time one of them even got close was a TSA agent like put their thumb right through it. Is this just you like kind of doing that thing where like you just want the rare one no matter

how much worse it is? Probably. Okay. But yeah, I haven't replaced them. I totally could, obviously. Yeah. The new bag has them on it. Yeah.

And they're great. Yeah, they're better. But my old ones are fine. Okay. They still work. Okay. Dyslexicstoner240 says, Linus, you didn't give me a warranty. I also don't have a backpack. Nice.

Okay. What do you want to talk about next? Oh, did I get it? Yes, I have the button, actually. I want to ask if I have the button. Do you have mine? Nice! That invalidates what he did. Yeah, I have the button but I don't know. All right, what are we supposed to be doing Dan? You could do another topic or

we could move into some merch messages, up to you? No, it's not up to me. I don't decide these things. Let's do some merch messages. I'm not even the CEO anymore. That's right. But you're the vision man. What is your vision for this WAN show? Your vision could be, Dan, tell me what to do.

I always call him eyeball officer. I like it. I call him the peepers. What a weird thing to call someone. The peepers is crazy. What are the peepers thinking about today? I've never heard that before. Wow.

How about some announcements? Let's get through those. No, we should do another topic. That's wild. Yeah, we've only done one topic. How is that even possible? What do you think is this show who knows? I mean certainly it's a show about detailed and accurate medical advice. That's for sure

All right AMD says the rx All right, AMD says the RX 9070 XT sold 10 times more than its predecessor in the first week. Lisa Su dropped this claim in an interview with Asus Tony, saying it has been a fantastic success. Actually, it is the number one selling graphics card of all the AMD Radeon generations for first week sales by far Ten times higher nice this may be true for launch week But does not necessarily indicate a successful quarter or year for AMD

This graph from John Petty research shows a decline in sales for AMD's halo products dating back to 2009 dating back to 2009 basically other than a little bit of uptick in the what is this third attempt at rebrand no no no okay sorry hold on okay so this is the launch of Hawaii after multiple rebrands of oh man I'm trying to remember which one did they rebrand she said it's a billion times all the Radeon generation so so that would be all the way back to 2009 so this is a like over fourfold increase hold on hold on hold on hold on I'm trying to remember which one was the one that they rebranded like a zillion times I am hold on. I'm trying to remember which one was the one that they rebranded like a zillion times. Oh, I don't know. I'm trying to remember. This they rebranded once. The 480 to the 580.

But I thought it was the 7970, wasn't it? I thought it was 7970 or 7950. Didn't that care? Was it a Halo product that was rebranded? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, was it the 50... 5870? Come on, help me out here guys. There was one that got rebranded like three times. Someone's saying RX380.

Man, how do I not remember this anymore? 290 had a lot of rebrands too. Yeah, but that's before this. Yeah, the 290 did have a lot of rebrands. There was one before that though. 7970 became the 280X. 7970 to 280 to 380. Oh, that's right. That's right. It was the 7970 which became part of the 200 series and then became part of the 300 series again. Like that GPU was around flipping forever

as a current part of their lineup. Oh, Atomic Brain Fart says 380 was different. I really thought they are really, I really thought it was part of it. 7970 and December 11th and then became the 280X. It was rebranded as the R9 280X, essentially the same GPU, radio and R9 3. Okay, someone copy pasted something into the chat, but it seems to have been truncated. That's really helpful. All right, well, either way, cool. Anyway, so yeah, they've been in a long, steady decline, according to John Petty research for literally, like, 16 years. However, however, I see hope.

I see hope. Like you can see it just in publicly available data, like the number of reviews on products. Like back in the fury days, you'd look at these cards on Newegg and like, yeah, technically there's listings for them. And there's like a couple in stock, but there'd be like six reviews.

And that's over a span of like six months. So in effect nobody was buying these cards but that does not seem to be the case with the 7,000 series. It is worth noting that while the 9070 XT is likely the top-end card from AMD this generation, it's not meant to be a top-of-the-line competitor like some of the other cards that were highlighted on that graph. With that said, it's a higher-end competitor Polaris, for instance, which was meant to be more of a mid-range card.

But that's, oh man, I don't know, is this meant to be positioned higher than Polaris? Because Polaris launched at like 250 bucks or like 199 or something like that. Don't quote me on those numbers, but it was like affordable, but then is like 549 699 or 649 699. Is that like, is that mid range now? I think disgustingly, I didn't just hear that sigh, I felt it. Yeah. Anyway, like actually bothers me because because low range users have kind of been priced out like the 60 series like that so there's there's kind of two things that have happened at the same time one is the prices of graphics cards have massively ramped another one has been that like I don't know about you but when they first

shifted to talking about like you know 60, 80 kind of series cards. We're talking about like after the 9,800 series. So starting with the 200 series of cards. The 60 series was like, it had a lot of focus, I feel like. It generally won price to performance. Like it was a very reasonable card to get. It was pretty solidly priced. It got you a really good step up in generation every time. It was good. It was a good reasonable card to get. It was pretty solidly priced. It got you a really good step up in generation every time. It was good.

It was a good thing to buy. Just, yeah, if you just wanna like game at 1080p medium to high, just like buy that every time. I don't know when that started getting eroded, but it feels like it has been. Well, the 2000 series didn't even like, oh no, they got a 20, the 2060 kind of sucked though. Because the main highlight of the 60 series was,

or the 2000 series was that it had ray tracing. But the 2060, yeah, you can play Indiana Jones and the Great Circle on it. It's actually okay, but like barely. So you were, compared to the 1660, right, which was the non-RTX from that generation, but it's 16 series instead of 20 series, I don't know, whatever, whatever they were doing with that branding. That was, that was honestly a way better value if you

didn't care about ray tracing and the, the 2060, even if you did care about ray tracing, it was barely really capable of it anyway. So that was to me where the 60 series kind of lost its luster But for me the bigger conversation is like what the fuck happened to the 50 series Yeah, fair enough 50 also used to be a great value Yeah solid card like back with like Maxwell right like a 950 Ti or whatever was like a pretty solid card Like the 1050 was like a 1050 Ti. believe there was a 1050 ti hold on I'm pretty sure and I'm pretty sure it was pretty solid 1050 ti yeah, there was a 1050 ti yeah that thing was solid and like what was the MSRP when it launched? It was a hundred thirty nine US dollars a solid card for a hundred thirty nine dollars

This is what we lost. Yeah, look at the cooler like the cooler even looks cool If that's actually that wasn't I don't think that ever existed. Yeah, I never saw that I know I'm pretty sure those existed for 1060s and I think no it says 1050. Yeah. Yeah, no 1010 60s Definitely you could buy ones that looked kind of like this But this is this effectively did not exist it was all partner cards. Okay. Okay. Yeah Someone says they wall they still use 1050 TIs and slot machines nice Nice anyway speaking of somewhat maybe affordable cards, B580s are in stock. And this is not $250, which is what it was supposed to be, $250. But $90 over MSRP feels less

ridiculous than some of the stuff we're dealing with these days. Do you want to have a labs website feature discussion? Yeah, I would love to. So we've been figuring out getting pricing on the site. Oh, yeah. Because there's been this, the discussion for quite a while now is like, how do we make, how do we get people,

not that we even really profit off of this, but we want the site to be more useful. Getting you to an actual purchasing decision is a very significant form of being more useful. So one of the problems that we have is we want to include pricing. We haven't traditionally included pricing. Yep. And we've talked about this. I mean, going way back to the original roadmap meeting for the labs website between me and Luke. We've talked about pricing, but it's not there yet, obviously.

And there's a big reason why a lot, we like back when I was testing graphics cards, every single time in the review, there'd be price performance. It was the graph everyone cared the most about. It was a graph that like we cared the most about. Now it's completely irrelevant because the price, the MSRP is just meaningless.

Yeah, or it's not irrelevant information. It's irrelevant for us to create that graph based on... Numbers that aren't real. Yeah, numbers that are just invented. Because you're not gonna be paying that price to buy the card, so it doesn't matter. So we're like, okay, we can get MSRP on the site, but does that really solve anything?

So we're working on, we have one of them right now, a store where they're sending us their information so we can see if it's in stock, we can see the price, stuff like that. It's not on the site yet, but we- Okay, but we have like API access. Today, we got that from one of them. Okay.

And there's- Does everyone have that or like? Seems like most stores do, but not all of them. And is that something that we have to like pay to access or like what's the dealio? Seems like sometimes yes. Or is there like a rate that's free and then over a certain amount? We're going to try to talk to people because I suspect when we talk to people, it's going to be free.

But I think by default, most places that want that type of information are not like public info sites. Right. Okay, there's something else. So anyways, we'll figure it out. But so far, it's it's been fine. It's been free. But something we're wondering about is like, okay, cool. So we can have some store information, but then it's going to be practically impossible, like we have a global audience, it's going to be practically impossible to include store information from

every single store in the world. Um, so if we want to be able to build a price performance graph, which I would love to do, like, do we do like a, bring your own price. Set up. Oh, interesting. Where like you could plug in, because one thing that I like about that, and I'm wondering what you think about this, is you could do that for old cards too then, because you could put in the used market price,

and then you could compare like a used market price 30.90, based on your local market, like a listing that you found, you could just plug that number in. And Facebook marketplace in Italy. And then you could compare that against maybe an MSRP card that is out right now and check the price performance based on those numbers.

Like is that interesting? If you think back to, I don't know, like NCIX era, pre-NCIX era Linus, would you use that? I would use it so hard. If that's true, should we go that equal? I'd use it super hard. I think we should. It seems cool to me, but it takes development time, right? So yeah, we have to balance against like, what else could we do?

I think we'd probably have to have both. I think you'd have to have a default because realistically something like depending on whether we're talking Creator Warehouse or LTT, the US market is somewhere between 40 and 65% of our base, right? So like US is most of it. is somewhere between 40 and 65% of our base, right? So you probably just default to USD because it kind of works for any market that derives pricing from USD MSRP as well, like Canada.

Like Canadian pricing for consumer electronics is almost without exception, just US pricing times the exchange rate. There are industries that don't operate that way. Mobile phones, for instance, will have their own Canadian MSRP, sometimes game consoles. But when it comes to the IT industry, almost all of it is purchased in US dollars. So it's just marked up from whatever the cost is in US dollars. That's just how it works, because almost all of it is imported through LA. McBain asks, tariffs. Tariffs are a completely separate conversation from that,

because... Aren't tariffs usually slapped on in cart? Well, Canada doesn't have any tariffs on electronics that are imported from China through the US. So it wouldn't matter. So basically for the US and Canada, you would just have to convert to your own currency to get an approximate idea of what the price to performance would be. For stuff like Europe, man, it gets really complicated though, because they do include

their taxes and their pricing and like over here we don't and okay would the idea be potentially to try to have like at least one store partner for like you know a few currencies? I want to have ideally like a bunch of them. Oh okay okay. So this is not an or. So we are filling the gaps. We are definitely going to have, because like, I mean, the labs website is like fairly likely to lose money forever. But we do want to have affiliate links for people. So those would have to have store prices effectively. Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. Well, no, they wouldn't have to. We have them, we have them already. And we don't have store prices. It'd be way better. It would be better. It'd be way better. So, that's gonna be a thing anyway.

It's in a retailer's best interest for us to have a functioning affiliate link and for us to have functioning stock and pricing. Because effectively they win. So we can already have functioning affiliate links, but people are clicking on them blind, basically. Right, which is like stupid. It's not ideal.

So that's probably happening anyways. You can't rely on scraping though. We're not planning on scraping. Yes. Yeah, we will never scrape anything. We are good boys. We definitely didn't already do that. No. Yeah, we wouldn't. Yes. We would not. Yeah. Not ever. And like some people are pushing back on like, well, what does the MSRP even mean though? Because you can't buy a Yeah, we wouldn't. Yes. We would not. Yeah. Not ever! And like some people are pushing back on like, well, what does the MSRP even mean, though? Because you can't buy a car at MSRP. That might be like true,

but that's true right now. And that's also not true for a lot of other verticals. It's mostly just a problem for GPUs. Yeah. I mean, you can buy a CPU for MSRP right now. So we're, we're making a site for more than just GPUs. Shraff2k asks, what about a calculator for price to performance where you can put your local pricing? Yes, you're all caught up with the conversation. What a great idea. That we're in the middle of. I love that. That's fantastic. I think this was, I think this was like Liam's idea or something on the on the

Labs Web team but I think it's pretty sweet. There's been a few other like interesting ideas on how we can deal with like pricing stuff on the site because we're trying to yeah make it useful, make it good. Angry Panda asks why would you not scrape? Well it's against the terms of service to use the data on people's sites in ways that they don't authorize. Some of them, not technically all of them. Yeah, some of them though.

Most I'd say. And it puts additional load on their server for non-human traffic that is in violation of their terms of service. So if for no other reason other than that it's rude, we would never do it! Fulbright's a different company. Yeah, Linus Media Group would never do it.

Sorry, something in there. Okay, anyway, yeah, no, that sounds super cool. I would just, I would want it populated with something by default. And then I'd want to have like an override. Okay, riddle me this. Not sure how it would look. Could we, could we implement like a high low,

high low median of eBay sales prices? implement like a high-low, high-low median of eBay sales prices. Because that would, I mean, that would tell us what is readily available second hand. We're still learning how to do a lot of this stuff. Like I'm talking about, oh, we got like a pricing thing today, it's super far from landing on the site. Because we're probably not gonna wanna land it on the site

with only one partner. So we're probably still waiting to go through like communication negotiations with other partners. We also have to figure out how we're gonna lay this stuff out. If we show multiple stores for the price performance thing, which might be a thing that we do, and we also make it so you can bring your own price,

and then we also make it so you have high, low, medium for eBay, but then eBay is very like location specific sometimes. This is starting to become the kind of thing that I'd want to like save my session for. Yeah, like it starts getting like really like, we're scope creeping, feature creeping the heck out of it. So it's like, that might be cool, but then we're already like, again,

we've never done this stuff before, this is new to us. How about this? We're looking at all this data from even these stores. And even the stores are really weird about how they list and label things sometimes. Oh yeah, because marketplace and like, so you'll have something that's a better price, but the shipping is like $45. It's like... When we were looking at Amazon at one point, I found a SSD listed under graphics cards with like the specs like smashed into each other, sort of. Some of them were GPU specs, some of them were,

you pull some really weird data out of there. So we have to try to figure out how to match this up with reviews on our site and all these other things. And there's, that I think gets more complicated when you go to somewhere like eBay. I would love to think that you could kind of crowdsource something like that, like the valid links to the right, the right part number.

But then sometimes those things can change. Companies can rev stuff silently. And so all of a sudden that information becomes out of date, not because anyone in the community did anything wrong or because our site did anything wrong, but because there was just, there was a silent revision and nobody knows. Yeah, it's interesting. There's a lot of different ways we can approach it. But I think this will be a... I think I would, in my perfect world, I would select my country

and then I would say, I want to buy new. Even that, like, just sorry to cut you off, just even that, allowing country selection, we're now either excluding a ton of people or we're scaling to an incredible number of stores to support right off the bat. Well, we would start with one or two countries. And then we would add as needed. But in terms of how I configure my view, I'd want to select my country because otherwise what are we even doing here? And the US would probably be the default sure

so I'd want to like a list of countries with the US like you normally have with like keyboards and language exactly and then I'd probably want to go new used and then custom check boxes or no this would would be like a mode. Okay new used in custom So so customers bring your own price. Yeah used is like eBay Craigslist. Whatever else. Yeah, and then new is just MSRP Ah, no, no is store pricing store pricing. Yeah Would you have an MSRP option just to like chip away at graphics cards? No just to make fun of graphics cards Yeah, probably. Yeah, it's just like. What can I buy it for now? Yeah, exactly. Would you show, like, what if, what if something is completely out of stock practically everywhere? Um, we have like a warning? I mean, almost nothing is, tell me something. Tell me something. 5090. 5090. I'll find it in stock right now. I haven't checked at all. I have no idea.

But I mean, there will be a scenario where there are none. Okay. So if you have $5,000, you can buy a 50 90 right now. But you said new, right? That's new. But this is on eBay. So does new include eBay? Because people aren't always truthful about new things on eBay

Sometimes people sell pictures of things. I'm just I'm just saying there's always a price So what we could do is we could return our our best result our closest match Like I'm willing to bet if I go on Okay here. Let's let's try Amazon.com. I bet there's like a third-party seller That has a 5090 for like six thousand dollars or whatever Uh, okay here, let's let's try amazon.com. I bet there's like a third-party seller that has a 5090 for like six thousand dollars or whatever. Here we go, add to cart, one left, four thousand dollars, 5090, boom. I'm not saying you should buy it, I'm just saying you can that's such a yikes dude

I know that American Amazon. Oh, yeah, you better believe it buddy. That is like Wow, what is that? What does that actually work out to so an additional? $450 per thousand dollars. So that is like a six thousand Canadian dollar GPU That that is that is gonna cost Canadian dollar GPU. That is that is gonna cost like over 10% of the median Canadian income for a GPU if I recall correctly. It's so absurd. Median Canadian income. Oh a little under 10%. Wild. Wild. Anyway, what are we supposed to be doing right now done? Okay, you need to kind of turbo-thrash

We never finished that topic what one even was it even oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, there's not much more to say there. Okay Yep, cool. I think five topics was fine. Yeah, maybe Let's cap off our week with end caps. Oh. That's right, folks. Dang it, I always get this wrong. From now until Monday, when you add both

a precision screwdriver, ahem, bundle, da da da da da da, and a precision end cap set to your cart, we are going to give you the end cap set for free. And if you don't know what we're talking about, we have designed the end caps of our precision screwdriver to be interchangeable. That's right, you can just put a little thing here. Yeah, I think I got it.

It's easier if you have a wrench. The point is you just hold this spot right here and you can screw off the end cap. So then you just got the little bearing piece right there and then replace it with one of our other end caps. We have also flat topped black one. Okay, oh wait, what's going on here? Would you call that color copper? Not really. I don't know, orange.

Orange? And then we also have a concave one and a convex one. So if you're the kind of person who prefers to, you know, put your finger like this, you might prefer the concave. If you're the kind of person who wants to kind of palm it, then you might prefer the convex. I think, what's the default is the default flat. I'm checking right now. Oh man, they've well, I think they've like changed all of these. I think you have it. I'm

checking the store listing. I think the default is flat orange. Yeah, the default is flat orange. And then it also comes with a matte black flat top one. So anyway, you get an end cap set for free. So not only do you get a, oh wait, you get a, oh yeah, so not only do you get a 10% discount or a $10 discount by purchasing both a precision driver and a bit set, so that's for the combo, you also get another $10 value with the end cap set. That's $20 of value. The deal is available now until Monday 10 a.m. Pacific time and it will automatically apply if you add the precision screwdriver bundle and end cap set to your cart. There's also some updates here. Quick floatplane update. Dan, do you want to bring that video up? Dan and Smash

Champs general manager Jim Pang did a little tour of the currently soft-launched Smash Champs. It is now up as a Floatplane exclusive. Dan may have struggled a little bit with the word, well the name, Sisyphus. But other than that, absolute banger. There you go. You can watch from 7.55 and stop after Sammy says one must imagine Dan happy Do we have audio whatever that means? You can watch the rest of it at LMG

Okay. My goodness. You can watch the rest of it at LMG.GG slash floatplane. In other floatplane goodness news, Sarah whipped up a new design live on stream this week with suggestions from the chat. They've created Derpy Dinos volume one. And yes, it is exactly as adorable and silly as it sounds. What am I looking at here?

Do we get to see it? Wait, is this it? Oh, Streams with Sarah Art Print 3. Streams with Sarah T-shirt 2. Oh, there's a dry folder link that I don't have access to. Nice. Oh boy, I bet I don't have access to it either. I do not have access. So cool. Alright, I will throw that on. Dan's working on it. Sarah's still doing some last minute touches like shading, but the outline is final and you can expect to see that by the end of March 31st. Also, if you remember the content cosmos. Oh, that is super cute.

They're not Derpy, they're exactly the way God made them. Derpy. That's fantastic. Do they all feature bread or is it? I think that's a cupcakeasaurus over on the left there. Okay. And baguetteadactyl at the top. Yep, I got that. There's a phopla in the back right. There's a... I don't actually see any bread on the like weird bird velociraptor. They're like gingerbread men? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Where? Just above the rock on the right. Oh, yeah, okay. Oh, no, I see those. I'm just wondering about the the bird raptor there. Yeah, the very bottom middle one. Unsure. Also, is that is that little chicken and the egg in the bottom left like growing out of a loaf? Uh, oh. I don't know maybe. I'm sure. The missing link. Yeah yeah for sure that's how that works. Also if you remember the content cosmos design she did in December, the one with the very legally distinct pyrokitsune, that one's been remastered to take better advantage of color usage

That one's been remastered to take better advantage of color usage for a poster! Oh my goodness, this looks flipping awesome. What size is that? That is so cool. And oh my goodness, there's a shirt! There's a color shirt! Oh dude. Dude, that's fire. That is like actual fire. It's super cool. Super cool design. Anyway, both the Derpy Dino's shirt slash poster and the content cosmos poster are available until April 14th at LMG.GG slash streams with Sarah. And hey, just to sweeten the deal, the very first print of the poster is signed by Sarah, Dan, and Sammy,

and one random buyer is gonna get it included with their order. It's marked one of one on the back? Also, yes, by the way, Derpy Dinos will get a remaster too. It's just taking a bit. Art takes time. It actually has a value because it actually does take time. That's how these things work

Well, what no people think art should be free It's not yes, okay Dude, okay. Tell you what tell you what? Hypothetical let's say Someone maybe let's say YouTube content creator. Okay released an app where you could buy wallpapers. How mad would people be if they had to pay for wallpaper? Peaved. Would it be a big scandal?

There was other problems with it. Just saying. However, there was a not zero number of people that were simply outraged at the idea of paying for art. What's the current status of that? I have no idea. What was it called? I have no idea.

Panels or something? I have no idea. I almost immediately stopped caring about it completely. Yeah. I have not changed the wallpaper on my phone in as long as I can remember I Just had my current one for whatever is the default wallpaper, and I give zero cares beyond that I'm sorry I just can't care about it is this it currently has a rating of 4.7 stars. Hey there you go How many reviews does it have?

almost 10,000 Wow, okay, well then apparently it's doing great. Go panels. That's what it's called, right? Yeah. Panels. There you go, panels. Way to go. And do you want a couple of merch messages? Oh, right, yes, merch messages.

So if you buy any merch, the best... Something, no, wait. If you want to interact with the show, we don't do Twitch bits or Super Chats or anything like that. the best something, no wait, if you wanna interact with the show, we don't do Twitch bits or super chats or anything like that, the way we see it, if you're gonna throw money at your screen, you should get something in return. So we do merch messages.

So all you gotta do is head over to lttstore.com and find something you like, whether it's the precision screwdriver bundle that we were talking about earlier where you can get a free end cap set, or whether it's just one of our recent products like the reversible bomber jacket would you believe that this jacket and this jacket are the same jacket what just ones inside which ones inside out oh oh here's

a debate Dan yeah which one of them is inside out? I think I know. Depends where the seams are. Which one's inside out? I think there's an answer. Well here, hold on, I've got one. I think the orange one's inside out. I was wearing mine today. I was wearing mine today.

So I have it. I think there's an answer. Okay. Which one, which one is inside out? I think the orange is technically the inside because that's where the label is. Yeah. Because you haven't ripped it out yet so you can still tell. Okay, now which one's inside out? Boom, boom, boom.

I think it's still the orange because I have all edge of originally permanent yeah yeah I think the evolved the correct animals the correct hack would be which side has the zipper the right way ah that our garments are just random yeah so that doesn't quite count. So the reason for that is that it's different in Commonwealth and American countries, and in Canada we're fucked, man. We have no idea what's going on in terms of like Imperial and metric and like color with a U. Why not both?

Color without a U. Aren't we pretty solidly on color with a U? I regularly see Canadians spell it with a U. Why not both? Color without a U. Aren't we pretty solidly on color with a U? I regularly see Canadians spell it without a U. Regularly. Fair enough. And like most of our spell check is gonna default to American English. So it won't.

I correct it all the time. No color, no neighbor. I'm like a little, I care too much about that. And I suspect most people don't. Yeah. Does that makes sense. Yep, I get it, I get it. So anyway, that wouldn't work for that.

The answer is that there is no answer. The point is, all you gotta do to send a merch message to interact with the show is pick something up on lttstore.com, like say for example, our Terminally online hoodie, get it? Boop. And then you will get in your cart a little box for a merch message. Look at that, we are live.

I would like my purchase to appear as a merch message. So you can go ahead and send a little message and it will go to producer Dan. Ooh, I get it. Is that what they sound like? It will go, yeah, that's what they sound like. That's what they all sound like. It will go to producer Dan, who will throw it down there

or respond to it himself or Curate it for me and Luke to respond to so Dan's gonna show you guys how the curated ones work Sure got me from Drew. Hey DLL Do any of you or anyone at LMG have plans to attend NAB this year? I've been wanting to go since 2019, but I finally managed to pull together the money to go this year. Um, I think we are sending a contingent to NAB. We don't really cover the show. We've done it a couple of times, but the truth is it just plain doesn't perform on our channel. The overlap between camera geeks and tech geeks is there, but they, I don't know, they kind of, they kind of float in different orbits and we just don't find that it performs the way that,

you know, we would need it to to justify the cost of attending a show like that as you pointed out so well. It's not free to go to NAB. We have had, we have had times when we've attended just to like see what's coming down the pipe, but... That sounds like a saying. It's not free to go to NAB. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna catch on. No. I'm not planning to go, but I always like, you know, reading the news about what comes out of there. Have you been?

I have never been to NAB. Yeah, me neither. There's often cool stuff, like there was... What's the nuts? I think like ASUS had a modular display there one year. And then I think, yeah, hey, what happened to that? We were supposed to get like, get our hands on it or something.

And then that just never materialized. Maybe that didn't end up being a real product. All right. Next. Hey, LLDD, have you thought about doing a Wanathon? A 12 hour stream with guests and you all just playing video games? If I'd personally watch the VOD three times just to add to the views. No, I don't think I have ever thought about doing a Wanathon.

Don't do that. Don't actively sit there and watch way and show three times They can't have to one no, it's a free country Do it outside My god, oh man, imagine watching 12 hours of WAN show and Oh man. Imagine watching 12 hours of WAN Show and for two-thirds of it having heard everything before. Man, I feel like the quality would really go down after the natural ending of WAN Show, because we don't have a hard end to WAN Show. No. It just ends when we have somewhere to be or we run out of stuff to talk about that we feel is interesting enough.

That's why sometimes it ends kind of abruptly where I'm just like, all right, well, see you next week. Yeah, because like it sometimes the near the ending might actually feel like the highlight of the show, but once we're out of gas, we're like pretty out of gas. So it's kind of time to go. Yeah, and we'd like legitimately have to really make certain people very angry and eat on the show if we're going for 12 hours. Like there's no way I could survive. I'm already hungry. I've been exercising more again lately though, so I think that's a big part of why. That makes sense. And I've only eaten borscht for the last two days. Every once in a while, my aunt does

like a giant batch of borscht and brings it over to my house with like a giant loaf of sourdough. And then I just eat nothing but that for until it's gone. Oh, dude, I love me some borscht Ukrainian style. Ukrainian style. I didn't know there was a difference, but. I'm pretty sure that I'm pretty sure there's a difference. I'm pretty sure. Borscht. Borscht. Someone said batch of what? So I just pretty sure there's a difference. I'm pretty sure Borscht Borscht

This was a batch of what so I just repeated it Borscht Borscht Borscht. It's the world's most Polarizing soup stew thing is it God people either love it or hate it I don't think I've ever found someone who's kind of tepid on Borscht. Hmm. I Mean feel free to feel free to let me know guys I mean, feel free to feel free to let me know guys Maybe the worst word in existence or at least the ugliest yuck It's the best it's yum. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. There you go All right, what are we supposed to be talking about? Ah, yes it can happen to anyone

Yeah All right, what are we supposed to be talking about? Ah, yes, it can happen to anyone. Yeah Okay, you're trying to spin this as a good thing. So why don't I get through the topic and then you can explain your Indefensible position you will agree with me. How about Have I been pwned creator and Microsoft regional director Troy Hunt has been pwned. In a blog post earlier this week, Hunt revealed on Tuesday that he had fallen victim to a phishing attack in the form of a fake error email that purported to be from MailChimp that stole approximately 16,000 records from his MailChimp mailing list, including the email addresses of both active and lapsed subscribers. He realized his mistake almost immediately, but before he could change his password, the automated attack had

exported his mailing list and created a new API key, which, if it had gone unnoticed, would have given the attacker persistent access to Hunt's MailChimp account. Hunt notes that MailChimp does not offer a phishing-resistant 2FA option and that the attack site simply relayed his one-time password as soon as he entered it. JB Jordan Block adds, the entire blog post is an interesting read, though many of the concerns he has about MailChimp's data retention can probably be answered with because spam laws. Okay! That makes sense, that's interesting. Luke's take on this is that it's a good thing. Yep. Go. The fishing, the have I been pwned guy got fished. There's always, I mean you've had multiple experiences with this, there's always when when somebody gets pwned

When somebody gets pwned there's always the like oh but like he does know that I would have noticed oh sure yeah And it's like yeah, you know in this case you might have but you also don't know the exact scenario that the person was in No, you don't know What was he in the middle was he. You don't know, they're checking their phone while they're being driven somewhere or having a conversation with someone. You were barbecuing, like there's some amount of distraction. There's something going on. I was in the middle of like a bar, a family barbecue. You probably, Troy, many other people, they're not, they get too many emails to be fully paying attention to every single one they ever receive.

And like pixel peeping every letter. Like it's just not really going to happen. So I think this is a pretty good counter to the like, oh, but it wouldn't happen to me. It happened to Troy freaking Hunt, man. So your argument is that it will help destigmatize getting pwned and making it so that we talk about it more, which will spread awareness of pwned and making it so that we talk about it more, which will spread awareness of pwnedness. Yeah. And a lot of the comments that I've seen so far are actually like, oh, wow, it

happened to him. Cool. Which I think is like a good takeaway from this. It's like, yeah, I mean, it happened to him and I wouldn't shame him for it. The stuff happens. And like, we have, I mean, we have training now here and all this other kind of stuff. It's still possible that it could happen to us. Hopefully the training and whatnot will reduce

the amount of times that it happens by making people more aware, but you're never going to be 100% on the ball all the time. Now, if someone here fails, they're training like multiple times, or they make mistakes multiple times and it's the same person, then that starts to be like, okay, you need to take this more seriously. Because we're going to send out fishing tests again. We did one, we're going to do more in the future. And if the same

person keeps coming up, that's a red flag. But if you make one mistake, ideally it's on one of the tests and then you don't make a mistake again and then we're golden. Um, but yeah, I don't know. I was so ready. I was so ready. I wasn't even going to say it. Then I saw your hand cue up for it and I was like, I'm in. I'm totally in. Dive for the content.

Oh man. Um, yeah. So ultimately, I mean, it wasn't a good thing that those people's emails linked. It wasn't like those things are good. Yeah, that sucks, I mean, it wasn't a good thing that those people's emails linked. It wasn't like those things are good. Yeah, that sucks. Of course. But it's like looking at how many times this stuff happens, the chance of those people's emails leaking somewhere.

They could lose a lot more than just their emails. 23andMe has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. 23andMe Holding Co. is attempting to facilitate a sale by filing for Chapter 11. The company was briefly valued at $6 billion in 2021, but has more recently been valued at $50 million after failing to turn a profit after all this time. Co-founder and CEO Anne Wichicki... Wichicki? I've never heard it pronounced like that. I always heard it Wichicki when it was YouTube Susan Wichicki. Is it the same spelling?

No, they're sisters. Or were sisters, rip Susan. Anne announced her immediate resignation and is making an independent bid for the company. The company intends to keep operating through bankruptcy proceedings and says that customer access to data and subscriptions won't be affected. But will it though? Won't it though? Yeah, but won't it though? won't it though. Man, I am so freaking not happy about being right that entrusting your genetic information to some Silicon Valley startup is not gonna work out and I freaking called it. I'm hard to I'm gonna a lot of pushback. I'm still extremely upset with a relative of mine for selling me and the rest of our entire family from now until forever down the river. For what? Out of idle curiosity. That is such a stupid reason to do that. I don't blame anyone who didn't know. But in this case, I explicitly laid out why it's a terrible, terrible idea

and was ignored. That's different. The Verge has a great guide on how to delete your 23andMe data. So I would recommend you guys check that out. And our discussion question here is, if you were the new owners of 23andMe, what would you do to become profitable?

And I think that's the, that's, I guess I kind of jumped to the end of that conversation when I said, hey, all this data is effectively just, it's out there now. Because the first thing that I would do if I was trying to make 23andMe profitable and I was unscrupulous Is I just sell the data?

sell it to the highest bidder give access to insurance companies give access to I Mean yeah insurance companies are the ones that would probably going most interested because a lot of this information is useful for Yeah, the entire family and I've heard dude. heard, dude, I've heard a ton of Americans in our chat being like, they're not allowed to use that for coverage. Dude, insurance companies are already using information that they're like not allowed to use when it comes to evaluating how much to charge you

for things. Like it's just a matter of when and how they're gonna be busted and whether your watchdogs are gonna have any kind of teeth to fight back when it happens, which right now is not looking good, quite frankly. So, yeah, this blows. This absolutely blows. And to be clear, I don't care that 23andMe is going under. I just think this really sucks for the families of people who gave data to this company and are now able to be exploited. Sucks.

Yeah, this is interesting. GM wasn't allowed to show your driving data, but did without consent to your actual insurance provider and that data is permanently housed in third-party databases that all insurance companies have access to. Yeah. There's precedent for this stuff. Yeah. Oh, 100%. If you disagree with me, you're actually wrong.

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All right. So I didn't expect this, but Buildzoid uploaded an apology video last week, and I was very surprised. Basically, what he said is, hey, I wasn't wrong in my criticism of the way that Linus Tech Tips presented their information about the combining of the 12 volt pins on the non-founders edition 5090s. But what was wrong and not cool was just the aggressive tone.

It was unnecessary, it was uncalled for, and I wanna be better. And I guess here's what I have to say. Maybe the original video was clout-chasey. If it was, I don't care. Because nothing is irredeemable, and a simple apology and retraction is all I have ever asked of anyone.

In that spirit then, I could have brought my concerns to build Zoid directly as well, rather than talking about it on WAN Show. I could have brought my concerns to build Zoid directly as well rather than talking about it on WAN show I could have made my case that it felt like a bad faith move for him to criticize in public before reaching out. I Could have said that I didn't and I'm sorry for that as well. I think we can all Do better and I I don't know I guess For my part I'm just I'm feeling just so done with this whole thing,

where I get shots taken at me and I get held to the standard of perfection in public that I never set for myself, that I never set for anyone else. But like, my baggage here is not his fault. That's not his problem. And I got to say, like, his refreshing willingness to take responsibility for his demeanor, when his critique- And it was like deep and extensive. When his critique wasn't wrong, right? Yeah.

But still taking accountability for just being like kind of a d*** about it though, has restored some of my faith in the ability of the tech media to work together. And I was thinking of his critique not being wrong. I was happy that in the video, he pointed out that he wasn't going to not critique in the future. Yeah, together. So. Speaking of his critique not being wrong, I was happy that in the video he pointed out that he wasn't going to not critique in the future.

Yeah, sure. Which is like, cool. Yeah. That's fine. We don't want to be wrong. Yeah. So like, yeah, I would rather you correct it so that we're not wrong.

I would like to update things so that we're not wrong. Yeah, we want to continue to be less wrong as time goes on. Everyone should want to be, like, that's the whole idea with scientific things, right? Is that other people look at it and question it and come back at you. Yeah. So like we do want that.

That is good. And like, yeah, I don't know. I'll leave it there. Yeah. So as far as I'm concerned, water 100% under the bridge. I'd love to have opportunities to work together in the future. And, you know, everyone who speculated under his video that it had anything to do with us sending any kind of legal thread or anything like that, you can go f*** yourself because...

I don't think we had any direct communication. No, of course not. I don't know, dude. I'm so tired of people making assumptions about us. What if someone was kind of a d*** and realized they were kind of a d*** and they shouldn't? And then they apologized. And then what if the person that they were kind of a d*** to realized that they were kind of a d*** too and was like, hey, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done that. And then what if they found a way to like work together

and that was just cool for everyone? Beast, beast, beast. Yeah, what if it was just, what if the world was just actually that simple and actually that healthy? What, no. I know. Not allowed.

I know, anyway, so I thought I, I was like blown away. I braced so hard. So hard. You didn't message me at all. You just uh... Google shared me on a doc. It said like something something

apology. And I was like awww nooooo hahahaha I'm ready to go and then I open it and I'm like oh Yeah it's chill. Oh okay cool. Yeah everything's chill. Yeah. Um, cool. Yeah, everything's chill. Yeah.

Cool. We don't have to collab. I don't think we're. And just to clarify, not only did I not threaten any kind of legal action to build Zoid, I have made it very clear many times in the past, I am not a litigious person, and I have never sued anybody.

Yeah, so we weren't gonna do that in the first place. Yeah, because that's like, because it's- Obviously the wrong move. Stupid. Yeah. It's like actually stupid. I think even on like a strictly like corporate hat on sense, and I'm gonna back you up on this a little bit.

I think this ties into the whole backpacks thing a little bit, like not taking care of people if they had backpack problems would have just had the community turn on us immediately. Well, yeah, of course. And like going after someone for something like this legally, everyone would just hate us immediately. Yeah. Because, yeah.

Well, they hate us for doing it even though we didn't do it. Yeah. Well, it is what it is. How dare you do this thing that I made up that you did what are you even talking about I don't I don't actually think a lot of people know why they hate me it's it's fun it's something to do I guess down the tall stock or whatever that weird hobby dude that's a weird hobby something to do who can laughs like you haven't heard of some hobbies. Oh I was laughing at your cutting down the tall stock. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh wait. It's a good reason to hate

I thought that's what you said I didn't mean it is in like his actual height speaking of Was also talking about the clothes You went there oh my god Why don't we talk about some AI things this week? I wasn't even talking about the clothes either. I was, aw man. Whatever. It's fine. See? Fun hobby.

Yeah. Let's talk about some AI things this week. NVIDIA is rolling out Project G-Assist. It's AI assistant that can run locally on your GPU and is apparently named after the company's fake AI assistant from their April Fool's joke in 2017. I remember that. Oh yeah.

I still have one of these because I thought these were so cool. These were really cool. Yeah, the little USB drive that looked like it. This was awesome. That's super cool. A lot of their April Fool's jokes have been, this isn't one I don't think, but a lot of their April Fool's jokes have actually been fantastic.

Running locally on your Nvidia GPU, G-Assist can do normal AI stuff like answer questions, but it can also control some third-party accessories through API integrations and change some performance-related settings instead of just telling you how to do that. That means that somehow NVIDIA made a more useful AI assistant for Windows than Microsoft. Wow.

Good job. If only you could afford a GPU that used it. In other AI news that's actually worth mentioning, Character.ai has announced a parental controls feature in the wake of a 14-year-old user. Wow. Unaliving themselves after being encouraged to do so by one of the company's bots That's it. That's another one in addition shortly after this incident

multiple bots Impersonating the deceased 14 year old had to be taken off the platform Is this is this did the incident happen a while ago or is this new? Because I know this happened in the wake of I don't know if it's okay. So this is hopefully not I didn't look The new features called parental insights and lets users under 18 send a weekly activity report to their parent or guardian If they want to never going to parent or guardian if they want to never going to kids can enable the report in their account preferences which will share their daily average time spent on the platform the top characters they interacted with and the amount of time

they spent with each character character.ai says this is a first step in providing parents with information about their kids uses of the server why would you why wouldn't you just take start with putting the parental controls on the parents side what are we that's the first ah that's stupid yeah like if you're the kind of kid that's like voluntarily being like yes I would like to send a usage report to my parents that's not the kind that we need this for this for? Oh my goodness. Okay, um, in other news, Nintendo, this is cool, adds family sharing to Switch digital libraries. Whoa. In an uncommon W, consumer friendly move by Big Red, Nintendo is allowing players to more

easily share games across multiple systems that are logged into the same Nintendo account with a virtual game card that can be ejected and then loaded. Game cards, whoa, can also be lent to different accounts in the same Nintendo family group. In order to lend a virtual game card, both consoles need to be connected to the same network and internet during the sharing process and the Lend-E to the internet for the initial game launch. Wait, what? What? And the first time they load the game. Oh, it has to be connected to the internet for the initial game launch yeah after that the borrowed license will last for 14 days without requiring internet access

and then I wouldn't be surprised if you could do it again that is saying is you could use it mobile for 14 days so you could be on other networks for that is so cool that's actually like pretty sick so when I chat said thanks gaben and honestly sometimes I like to dunk on Steam because people are like too nice to Steam sometimes, but I think that's fair. I think this is going to put a ton of pressure on Microsoft and Sony too. Yeah. Like that's been a huge thing.

I mean, we made a whole video about it earlier last year where we talked about digital versus physical games and the whole resale and lending being a huge plus for physical games, but this changes the calculus quite a lot because most people, I mean you're still unable to sell them, so there's still room to improve, but most people that I would lend a game to are people that I could pretty easily be on the same wi-fi as. That's super cool and this seems like it'd be pretty easy to fake. Just saying. Oh yeah. Like trivially easy. Yeah. To pretend to be on the same network. But you're right. Yeah. But yeah most people won't. Very cool. Do you think that this is less

to do with Valve and more to do with Nintendo recognizing that they have real competition in the handheld space now. Including Valve. Because remember that, but also including piracy of their own games. Because remember, one of the biggest deterrents for pirates is making legitimate ownership better. Easier and better. Yeah.

That's why movie piracy is coming back. Our discussion question here here is have you ever had a hard time getting a digital game to work on a secondary switch? I have while traveling the plane ride sucked if you passed Nintendo and thank you current Nintendo. Okay, who did this topic? I don't even know what that means I also don't know what that means. They weren't online and they couldn't yeah, they couldn't get it working on their secondary switch I didn't know that was a thing at all. I only have one switch so I didn't either. Yeah. Apparently it is.

Okay. Canada is freezing rebates being paid to Tesla and barring them from any future rebate programs. This is after Tesla filed an unbelievable number of EV rebate claims, including almost $20 million Canadian from over 4,000 auto sales at one Quebec City dealer in a single weekend. Actually, I saw an article about this where someone did the math for like how many cars they would have had to sell. It's like this everyone has cars per minute. Yeah, it was like every two minutes they would have had to sell a car and there's like just no way that happened. Yeah

Yeah, ridiculous, so the Canadian federal government has frozen 43 million Canadian dollars in rebate payments Until each claim is individually investigated and determined to be valid Transport Canada has also been directed to change the eligibility requirements for future rebate programs to ensure that Teslas no longer qualify while the illegitimate and illegal US tariffs are imposed against Canada. Fascinating. Oh man, we are headed for very interesting times.

Isn't it so cool being in a trade war? No. I love it. I mean other things that I love include YouTube tests turning off channel notifications for overwhelmed users. YouTube says it's running a small experiment in which it turns off notifications to certain channels a user subscribed to. The company says the test will impact viewers who are subscribed to a channel and have set notifications for that channel to all, yet haven't recently interacted with those notifications.

Actively engage users with push notifications enabled will continue to receive them. YouTube wants to prevent users from turning off all notifications from the YouTube app entirely, which they may often do when they've opted to receive all notifications from the YouTube app entirely, which they may often do when they've opted to receive all notifications from many channels. YouTube would prefer users to update their channel-specific preferences in the app instead, but they were never going to do that, so here we are.

YouTube says, channels that upload infrequently will not have their notifications affected, although it didn't specify what qualifies as infrequently. YouTube is, of course, interested in taking measures that will encourage user engagement, but it also says that users choosing to disable notifications entirely can negatively impact creators. Discussion question is, where do you draw the line in terms of the actions platforms can take to protect their metrics? Does disabling notifications for specific channels count as a platform change or interfering with user autonomy? What user autonomy? I mean, YouTube's been fully algorithmic for years and years and years at this point.

I honestly thought they already did this. Yeah, I was surprised to read that this was news. So I guess that's all I really have to say about that. Why don't we flip over to after dark? Yeah It does annoy me a little bit because I wonder how they measure this Cuz I know it annoys me the fact that I have land gaming to do and you're dragging out this last topic One small additional thing is I uh, I don't really like watching YouTube on my phone So I'll sometimes use it as a notification engine But I'll swipe it away and then go watch that video later on my desktop. Oh interesting

Fascinating. Okay now it's time for After Dark. Hey Linus, a while ago I got a survey due to an LTT purchase. On when you said you disagree with it fundamentally, but you are acquiescing to the team. Do you have any outcomes or thoughts about any of this? Yeah. So the part that I fundamentally disagreed with was how much we paid for it. Yeah. It was really expensive. Yeah. I don't remember the exact amount, but it was with like a fancy. Do you want to just tell them? No.

Oh, OK. Yeah, go away. We're not always transparent. What now? I'm curious. Fight me. You don't know it? Yeah, I don't remember. You can't get out of me. Nice try. What a weird thing to get aggressive about. It was so much. Yeah, it was a lot of money. It was definitely more than ten thousand000. I don't remember how much it was. Yeah. Okay. Well, the point is that I felt a lot of the things that we were asking were things that were fairly easily ascertainable by just looking at past sales data and, you know, looking at customer profile data that we kind of have from just our YouTube

viewers. However, the argument that was made to me was that our YouTube demographics are not necessarily identical to our Creator Warehouse demographics and that if we ever want to have any hope of growing beyond our current customer base, we should work to understand things about them other than that they watch LTT. And so I basically said, okay, maybe there's something useful that we obtained from it. I think that at some point in that conversation, I basically said, okay, well, yeah, I'll write the check,

but I would like us to define what success for this is. And I'd like to see if it was successful. I don't know if I ever, I don't know. It's possible I saw that. I don't remember seeing it. So maybe it was good and maybe it was stupid. Scrappy DP says, you don't get to make those decisions anymore.

You are right. I mean, I do get to make decisions about which checks I sign. I actually do get to make decisions about that. Yeah, in that case, that is a yes. Yeah, even at the very highest level, and I'm talking Taryn and me, we have checks and balances for how much you can spend without

talking to somebody. The only person in the company who could spend a literally unlimited amount of money without talking to someone is Yvonne. And she wouldn't. She's so cheap. I don't mean cheap in her last... like her last name kind of way. I mean like... I don't! I mean like she's frugal. Dan, quick, change the subject. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, sure. Hi DLL. How do you go about weighing cost of new systems versus the benefits? We have the opportunity to use a fantastic progressive new tool, but there's pressure to save money and use a subpar tool. Sometimes it can make sense. Oh, man, there's a lot of intangibles though. Yeah. Okay, what I would is sometimes it can make sense to use the cheaper tool, but something you have to measure

is like what loss is there, what other losses there from using the cheaper tool. Because sometimes it's not worth it. And losses are not always measurable. Like they're not always in terms of money. Like you can have someone using an old five by four, 1280 by 1024 LCD, and they could probably do their job, but are they going to like jump at the next opportunity to move somewhere else? Maybe it's like worth it to just give them an ultra wide, right?

Like that's such a simple example, but there's so many things that are like that. I think a lot of the time, the best way to answer it is through talking to people. Like if a creator warehouse came to me and said, hey, we really want a lathe, okay? I'd be like, okay, a lathe is this many dollars. If I told you, you can only have this many dollars, would you still spend it on a lathe?

I can afford this many dollars, sure. So that's not the conversation. Is there anything else you'd rather have that would impact your productivity and your happiness more? Tell me about that. Tell me about the pros and cons so we can make a decision together. I mean, collaboration and communication is almost always the answer. It's just that humans, in spite of our brains being evolutionarily advantaged for those things, still kind of suck at it. Sometimes you just wanna do the lizard thing.

Yeah, lizard brain, let's go. Yeah, but I mean, like, AirTable, you said communication and collaboration. AirTable's a decent example. It's not the cheapest option. Sure. But we're trying to go for it because we think it'll be a very significant improvement. You said communication and collaboration. Airtable is a decent example. It's not the cheapest option. Sure. But we're trying to go for it

because we think it'll be a very significant improvement. I think it will, the amount per user that we're paying, I think will be easily covered in the like time and issue savings that we'll have from running it. So at that point, it's like, I mean. Whereas the same company might've made a different decision 10 years prior. 10 years prior, I would've said,

I don't have time to figure this air table thing out. The very cost there was no way we would have done it. The very cost of figuring out how to use it would not even be worth it let alone the ongoing cost of running it use a Google Sheet. Especially at the scale that we were at. Yeah. Like we didn't have the same type of problems. Well, yeah, but much to a much smaller degree. Yeah Crystal says you technically can make those decisions. I technically can't back to the approval limits. I Literally don't even know where the checkbook is. I Would have to talk to someone to know where it is It's not that I couldn't it's not that I couldn't have a conversation with Yvonne and go hey

I need to be able to spend money at a moment's notice without you knowing anything about it. I don't think that would like, I think she'd be like, why? And that would be, I wouldn't have a good reason for that. Especially with the precedent of that never being required. Yeah, yeah. But no, I literally cannot spend unlimited amounts of money

without any, without anybody else knowing about it. All right. Okay, next. With the current turbulent, in quotes, economy, what do you think of hardware startups doing crowdfunding instead of seeking traditional venture capitalist investment? For example, crowdfunding a prosumer version of your product.

For example crowdfunding a prosumer version of your product. I Think that it's I mean, it's the same trade-offs that crowdfunding has always brought right you are essentially asking for Like venture capital and you're not giving up any equity. So, you know as from a company standpoint Yeah, I totally understand why you want to do that. You'd want to do that every time. But from a from a from an investor standpoint, I use that term extremely loosely because you will not get a return, you have not made an investment. There is basically no advantage. You are extremely disadvantaged and you will maybe get something that is really great. I'm trying to think of like a Kickstarter that turned out great.

Like okay, I and Neo did some cool Kickstarters way back in the day. Or maybe you will get something that is kind of what you thought it would be, but ultimately disappoints, like a Jibo. Or maybe you will get nothing, like Luke's Colehammer. You have no way of knowing. So what do I think about it? I think you shouldn't buy that, but I totally understand why companies are into it, right? Oh, wait, are you asking like if we would do that? Oh.

E.g. crowdfunding a prosumer version of your product. I could see us crowdfunding something at some point. But we wouldn't do it on anything where we don't have an extremely high degree of confidence that we can bring it to market. And we also are also just like funded by our daily operations and cash flow. So at the end of the day, if it like didn't work out with the money that we raised through crowdfunding, we would just push it over the line. So I just, I just don't, I don't know. I'm not saying I'm not going to say never, but especially given the way that I've advocated against pre ordering. I don't see how we could really like

A prosumer version of our product like if it was a variant. Oh, I don't know. I could. Yeah, like I could see us. I could see us crowdfunding like a version of a backpack. I was gonna say Lux. Yeah, yeah. Okay. There are things where I could see it making sense where there's just... Would it be crowdfunding though or would it be like... Presale almost. Yeah. But that's what a lot of crowdfunding campaigns are, right? Is there essentially just gauging interest so you produce the right number of them so you don't overstock or understock, right? Maybe Nvidia should crowdfund their GPUs. So they produce enough of them. Just an idea. Scam. All right. Let's see what else. What's your advice to balance a time consuming or demanding job, but not sacrificing time for family or yourself on a daily basis? Set boundaries for your job. That's the only answer. Try to waste less time commuting.

It's really important to me. I commuted almost two hours each way when I was in school, and then I commuted like 45 minutes each way when I worked at NCIX for the first little while, and then I think it was down to like 35 once I moved in with Yvonne, but it was too much. I'm quite a bit less than that now, still feels like too much. And as much as it's a huge decision to like move, if you're really secure in your workplace, I would say that's one way to gain back time every day is to spend less time commuting.

You might also be able to talk about like hybrid work, like maybe you can work from home partially, that's another way to cut down on your commute. Other than that, yeah, that's about it. You're just gonna have to set boundaries and you're gonna have to recognize that setting boundaries may have consequences that you aren't happy with.

Like depending on your workplace, you may get passed up for a promotion for someone who just like puts in 12 hours a day. And you may kind of go, well, like, I can't do that. And your boss might not care. And that just might be what happens. And I'm not saying that's right I'm not saying it should be like that. I'm not saying that that's fair

But it is so Yeah Yeah, when looking at places to live I Don't know especially around here having some pretty fat commutes to be able to get cool places is very attractive until you like break down like, okay, that's how many hours a week am I driving? How many hours is that a month?

How many hours is that a year? Once I've lived here for five years, how many hours of my life? To drive my car. It's like, whoa, dang. Yeah. Hey, Narcissist Doesn't Know and Dan, love your stuff and your tech video side projects. What's the difference between the blank and labs blank t shirt? I can't figure it out from the product pages.

One of them is a shirt. and one of them is a shirt that we have to sell enough of to register our trademark. Did we? Mm-hmm. Nice. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's a good shirt. Just, it just says, it just says labs in the back. Like literally it's not even visible on the outside of the shirt

Totally blank. I get such a kick out of it I saw another one of these recently when people are like, yeah, I would love to buy your merch But I just don't you know, I don't like really prominent branding on stuff I'm like the fuck you talking about like what even is this? What are you talking about? Well, this one has circle back You know barely no, it's a lot. Oh, never mind. That's not okay Yeah, we don't do logos. It was unfortunately a very bad example ignore that ignore that. Okay fine How about the one I'm wearing then? Yeah, there's just a little tiny logo there like and honestly most of the Most of the shirts that I wear have even happen in the back actually nothing and I mean we also sell blanks and

Have I saw I saw someone complained not tall ones doesn't even happen in the back. Practically nothing. And I mean, we also sell blanks and have for like a long time. I saw someone complain. Not tall ones. I saw someone complain that the commuter bag. Ignored. Oh yeah. That's like super good branding. What are you talking about?

You literally couldn't find a bag on earth that has more subtle branding than our commuter backpack. Get real. All right. Hi, three wise guys. What's the deal with the RGB shirts? I'm an autistic person and they are the one of the few shirts that I can consistently wear all the time. I need more. They're getting threadbare.

I don't know. You might want to forward this one to the CW team and maybe they can get an answer. I... Your CW team. Cannot. My tall shirts are getting threadbare. They're not. They're actually... Oh, you can't do that? They've not checked the box, so I will do CW. Cannot. My tall shirts are getting threadbite. They're not, they're actually not. Oh, you can't do that?

They've not checked the box, so I will do it manually. Oh, okay. Linus, would you think of selling your precision bits individually instead of as sets? I broke one and I need a replacement. Yes, we've wanted to do individual bits ever since we launched the original screwdriver. The logistics of maintaining accuracy with little bits, like little bits, is really hard and we haven't gotten there yet.

We've just had so much more pressing fish to fry. I really, really, really want to do it. In the meantime, reach out to customer service and maybe they can arrange something one off for you, but I'm not promising anything. Hi Linus. I was wondering if you have any background experience with programming? Nope. Nothing?

Nope. What if you had time? Well, here's the thing. Time equals money. So, what if you had time? Well, here's the thing. Time equals money. I have money, so therefore I do have time. But that's other people's time. So if I needed something programmed, what would I do? I don't have literal time like this kind,

but I can buy time. I remember having this conversation with a buddy of mine who runs another badminton center in the lower mainland like like years ago and He was giving me a hard time about like spending way too much on something and he's like and I'm and I'm like look Money yes time no, so That's why I made the decision I made and then the thing dude. He says that to me like every fucking time I see Why do you even talk to you? Yep anyway, yes, the CEO PC is still deployed Jacob framework

It's a little plain chat, of course it is We don't that's the thing I get called a liar all the time It's so weird and chaotic every time I go into his office. He has this crazy blown up computer Yeah, I love it though, but we just like oh wait, we didn't talk about honey says Jack Logan. I don't think You're right. It never ended up in the dock. So one of the co-founders of Honey did an AMA this week and basically outlined that Megaleg's video was, aside from not being entirely in good faith,

which was pretty obvious to us, and aside from being old news, which was pretty obvious to us. That was very true. Given that a lot of what he talked about was stuff that had been covered by videos years prior. So maybe that was what he meant by a multi-year investigation was that someone else had made a video about it years ago, and he finally watched it. Aside from all that, it appears, and I,

Look, I'm not gonna get between them on this. I'm just annoyed that I got dragged into it at all because the whole thing is ridiculous. But basically, he outlined a very compelling case for how Mega Leg doesn't appear to have been entirely forthright and appears to have gone with an overly negative conspiratorial conclusion that is at best not well supported by the data that he collected. Pete Slauson I haven't read this thing at all. Jared I have. Pete Slauson I can't comment.

Jared Yeah, I read the whole thing. Yeah, so cool. And really my question is, how many times do I have to turn out to not be the a**hole for that to stop being the narrative? It doesn't seem to matter. At least at a minimum one more. At least once more. And then that time it will be at least one more time again.

What's that reference? That's a reference, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Disturbed Freak says, Luke, you're looking bored. Surely you're not tired already. I woke up at like five today. Nice. But I'll be fine.

Nice. I can't wait to see what happens with all the performative lawsuits about it. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. And everyone like asking why I'm not saying it. Because I'm not. Man it's really interesting how little traction this thing got. Oh I know. It's amazing how little traction the it turns out that the explosive allegations weren't true gets Like amazing the amount of damage that can be done by a bunch of assumptions and how utterly impossible it is to undo the damage It's really frustrating I got one more for you here

Are you still comment reading? No, it just makes me want to actually give people something to be angry about. What could I do? What could I do? We could do LinusCoin. You could do anything. Really? The AMA guy.

I took that as permission. Really, anything. No, people need jobs. Especially right now. Well, I mean, that would cause outrage. What? If he just dissolves the company. Oh, yeah. That would be pretty good. That would be a good one. That would be excellent. Yeah. I could do it live.

I could live stream myself like joyfully terminating everyone. Wow. Like one at a time. You didn't have to add joy. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. Like, no, I'd have to be like enthusiastic about it I think that would pretty much trash my reputation forever. Then again it does nothing seems to matter anymore. Someone out there would be like That's based. That's based. Yeah. It's like why is why is being an asshole cool? There will be at least one person on your side. Why is being a dick to people cool? It's not. Yeah. Why do- why do we treat it like it's a good thing? It's not. I don't know. You should

like be a reasonable human and engage in good faith. Negativity is attractive. Why? I don't know, because we're humans. Big ape monkey leader of tribe. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,, I need to use mine more. Yeah, you should pivot to selling Aries tech products. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If I wanted to make the real money, I think it would probably be in, actually, I probably just shouldn't say this. It's gonna make people mad. Okay, go ahead.

And it's interesting that the Reddit thread for the honey thing was like downvoted to oblivion. It's currently at zero. Really? But his replies are not. It's almost like all of the replies are positive. It's almost like haters. I think they just don't want to have their narrative challenged. My question is, I suspect people didn't. I haven't read it, but I also haven't voted on it. Um, but I wonder if people read it

or if they just downloaded it. Oh, there's no way that they read it and then downloaded it. And then maybe the reason why all the comments are being upvoted is you would have to actually go in and find them. Yep. I guarantee you 100% that that's what happened. Because people don't want... Because if they brigaded and if they were a complete f***ing a**hole, they don't want to have to face that. It's way easier to just go,

la la la la la, la la la la la la la la la, they're bad, they're bad, they're bad, down vote, down vote, than to find out what actually happened. That's way easier, like, on your psyche. So it's just such a coward's way out Hmm. Anyway, Dan. Hey LLD. Love the show. Love the products Linus Did you save any of your childhood toys to pass on to your own kids? I saved a giant bin of connects that my son and I now build together. Yeah, I have a couple of things I have

a little Galaxian Trying to remember what it's called. Yeah, I have one of these. And my kids played with it like a couple times, but mostly weren't interested because my house is also full of better video games. I'm trying to think if there's anything else. I have a little toy piano that a couple of my kids kind of played with a little bit. Oh, oh, I have that weird wrestler dude figure that I sent you that's apparently,

someone was trying to sell it on Facebook marketplace for like 80 bucks or something, and I was like, why really? I don't know, yeah. That's Stretch Guy, right? No, no, no, it wasn't Stretch Armstrong. It's just like a weird wrestler figure. Oh, right, no, I remember that.

It's like some 80s guy in a Speedo. I mean, they look similar, so. Yeah, exactly. Dude, I no I remember that. Some 80s guy in a Speedo. I mean they look similar. Yeah exactly. Dude I wish I had a stretcher Armstrong. Those things were worth money at one point. Yeah. Mostly I don't, I lost almost all my like kid kid childhood stuff when I moved from my dads to my moms including my Super Nintendo and all my games. Like I just like grab the clothes on my back and like left. So I have almost nothing from before that. And then like after that, I was mostly into video games and computers

and I'm not super sentimental about most of that stuff. So I haven't really like held onto any of it. I've reacquired some stuff. I reacquired the Top Gun joystick that I spent all those hours and hours and hours playing TIE Fighter with before I moved, but it's not my original one. It's a reacquisition. Brandon M. asks, Evil man and the Saints, have you guys ever considered branching into electronic toddler toys? I'd love to see an LTT gaming PC akin to a leapfrog or one of those overtly kitty controllers. No.

I can tell you right now, kids' products are a ton of work. There's a ton of regulatory hoops to jump through in terms of value. You gotta validate every paint that goes on it. You gotta do this, you gotta do that. Getting the shape sorter to market was a nightmare. I'm not sure we could ever have any hope of making money on it with all the time and money

that we spent validating that stupid thing. And then on the flip side, anything with electronics in it, oh, actually, I think it's the wireless communication that's the holdup. So have you seen that little, like kind of rubber, old school CRT with a tower under it thing that has like a screen in the front?

Yeah, I think so. And it's a lamp. Yes. And you can boop the top of it and it changes the color and stuff and you can like communicate it with it wirelessly That's been in purgatory for like a year So anything electronics bunch of hurdles anything kids a bunch of hurdles

Who we ain't combining them no time soon no time soon And yes, that is evil. That is my devious plan to not make any kids electronics very good That is evil. That is my devious plan to not make any kids electronics. Very good. No, that's just who he is. Anyway, we'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Or not, I don't know. Bye! Thanks for watching!