The WAN Show - You Need To Move To Linux Today - WAN Show July 17, 2026

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admits that every Windows 11 install has a secret unique ID for tracking not only that but they use it and so does law enforcement it might be time to switch to Linux like now

like today Like, go start your download and then let it come down while you watch the rest of the show. We'll also be talking about the class action that's hitting YouTube over false advertising around YouTube premium. They are alleging that Google advertises it as having no interruptions. And yet, right now, here on the WAN show, right now, you could have premium and hear me tell you about our high quality, true spec cables available now at LTE. store.com. That's right. We've got almost all lengths and connector ends in stock, and there's not a darn thing that YouTube can do to prevent me from telling you about it. What else we got going on this week, Mr. Lafranier. Uh, we got a topic I'm really confused about... You had the whole time that

I was talking to find two. Did I pick yours again? Yeah, one of them. Uh, Proton 11 is here. That's exciting considering we're talking about how you might want to switch over. That's, uh, I mean, pretty important thing for a lot of people in this audience. A lot of gamers. And 75% of all PlayStation 3 games are now playable on PC. That's a pretty big deal in the emulation space. Yeah. The show is brought to you today by Vessie,

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Stokes's Windows PC across VPNs and proxy servers through three countries. This is fucking crazy. Seriously, guys, I'm not being all hyperbolic here. I'm not being all like conspiracy theory. Where's my tinfoil hat? Keep the radio waves out of my brain. this is a serious problem. A Microsoft representative explained GDID in the complaint as,

this is a quote, a persistent device level identifier that is designed to uniquely identify an installation of Windows operating system on a device, either a physical device, e.g., mobile phone or laptop, or virtual machine across certain Microsoft services, and scenarios. End of quote.

According to the story posted by Windows latest, Microsoft uses it to manage software licensing and Windows store apps. But because it links all your online activities on that computer back to one single identity, law enforcement can use it to track a device's true owner across the internet. Now, re-installing Windows does generate a new global device identifier, so it doesn't stay with you forever. But because all of this is being fed back to Microsoft, the second that you sign in to another account that you were signed into on the old machine, it's linked. and they would be able to resolve both of those GDIDs to one individual person. Is this like a huge GDPR problem?

I'm not sure. Hold on. It feels like it. Not quite done yet. The story states that when investigators hit a dead end, tracing IPs to VPN providers, Microsoft themselves provided the FBI with records showing what Stokes' device was doing. The Windows' latest story has some suggestions. on how you might maintain your privacy,

and there's a full reverse engineering analysis from GitHub user sometimes wonder if you really want to get into the weed. So, Dan, if you could throw that link into the chat for all the wonderful folks who are watching today, and now it's time for us to discuss. Like, look, I am not a nerdy well. In general, I have taken a pretty loose approach

to the trackability of my devices. I'm a public figure. I mean, it just kind of comes with the, territory. This is different because it was not disclosed at any time and there was no implicit tracking. Like in the modern age, if I sign into a web service using a credit card or using an email that I use across various services, there's at least as a technical user, there's some level of understanding that there's some tracking here.

You know, if I'm, if I'm doing anything on a cellular phone, right, where I know that my location can be triangulated from the towers that I'm nearest, and that's, that's the best case scenario, right? Then, then I get that. Here we're talking about devices that don't have a cellular radio. We're talking about devices that, you know, never, that don't need any reason to keep track of where I am and what I'm doing, that inherently, like, I assume that if I'm not enabling something like Windows recall, that what I'm doing on my device is actually not visible to my

operating system. And guys, maybe I'm, like, maybe I'm overreacting that's possible, but I don't know, Luke, I don't think so. Yeah, I don't really, I don't really think so. I don't really think so. either. I'm quite on the train of just pushing more to Linux. I do think it's not going to be perfect for every scenario.

If you're doing video editing stuff, it's still really rough. But there is an option where you can work, if you need to do something like video editing, you could work in Windows just for that and then jump off the second you do basically anything else and you end up using

a dual booting scenario as like your Windows portion is an appliance, which is interesting because years ago it would have been seen as kind of the other way around. Maybe you use the Linux portion as an appliance. But now, yeah, if you have something like video editing, which really isn't, in my opinion, solved

on Linux yet, there are some ways to make it work, but it's still kind of funky. There's also things outside of just video editing, you know, right? Like certain games might not be super compatible or whatever. Sure, professional applications. Yep.

do that thing, whatever that thing is, and then you can jump back and go back to Linux. I am astronomically more comfortable on Linux right now, which is really weird to me. It's also weird how fast that happened, but it feels very true. I also wanted to point out on the subreddit right now, and let me just throw this in the dock. I didn't actually think it was going to end up being applicable on the show today, and then it was like immediately. But I posted it in the discussion questions here.

There's a community member, Gil, Guil-Dwif. Zio-Dwif is my best guest. Sure, let's go with that. I am building a tool to fix the in-quotes LTT-LNix challenge pain points, which they're identifying as a zero-hassel migration from Windows. Super interesting. There's some other tools like this as well. There's, you know, I'm assuming we're going to be keeping some of,

amount of Linux content, and I think that's going to be including trying to make it easier and easier for people to move over and have a successful migration. So I don't know, take a look at this. I haven't spent a ton of time looking it up, but open source. What it actually does right now, data and profile migration, so copies are files and maps them directly over to your new home directories, browser migration, automatically carry. varies over your browser profile. So when you boot into Linux for the first time, your tabs and active website sessions open up right where you left them on Windows.

System configuration sync, okay, this is pretty cool because this is something where not only is not everything the same, but the place to go find and change it might be a little bit different. So it grabs your current Windows keyboard layouts and localized Wi-Fi configuration, so you don't have to input passwords or settings during setup. And no USB drive required, so it should install natively without forcing the user to flash a bootable thumb drive or change physical boot priorities.

in the bios. He seems to have a bunch of distro options as well. Like, this is a pretty cool project. And one thing I noticed is just that Linux is moving really fast right now. So if there's a problem, if there's a reason why you can't use it, I wouldn't write it off long term. Just wait a little bit. Like, we've pointed out during the challenge that the changes from the first time we did

the Linux challenge. And the most recent time we did the Linux challenge, we're just completely night and day. Yeah. And then literally since we've done. we've started the most recent one to now there has been dramatic change. A topic for later on in the show is Proton 11. Someone's working on this right now. Like it's a very, very lively space. So if you have some form of issue, you know, maybe it'll get solved or improved at least soon. I, um, my install of cashy has improved since I installed it. Like it's, it's so cool. In my,

in my dailying steam machine video I make a very strong appeal to someone to fix the middle click auto-scrolling issue that you and I have Luke and honestly it's one of those things where I found plenty of Linux people who were doing that classic thing where they tell you you don't actually want that

paste is better you want middle click to be paste text and it's like no actually I definitely do not prefer that and I do want it to be auto scroll and I lay out kind of the ergonomic reason for it. Like it will be within just a couple weeks of daily and SteamOS, some of my old RSI pain and tightness started to come back from having to use the scroll wheel so much. And I had to kind of remind myself, don't do that. Move the mouse, go find the stupid little thing and drag the page back up. Like, I'm someone who reads at my computer. lot and it's just plain better. Autosroll is just better and for me when I read a lot it's

way more useful than middle click being paste text, especially when my left hand is usually on my keyboard in the left home row position anyway where I can just as easily click Control V. And so hopefully an enterprising Linux person will help us out. Bookhorse, yes, It is a browser setting in Firefox, but not in every browser. And it's a little bit clunky. It's a little clunky. Yeah. It is not the same.

Yeah. I ran into the same advice. It's better than not having it, in my opinion, but it is not the same. Yeah. So we need to get it. And like why? Why settle for worse? Like that's...

Well, no, I mean, I can understand someone who might prefer the other way. No, I just mean the clunky current solution. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, I appreciate that there are opinionated portions of Linux, but I also think at its core, Linux is a customizable option-heavy thing. And I think it would be great if there was the option for either one. I want the people who like pasting that way to be able to keep pacing that way. Of course they should. To be able to use the scroll wheel the way that I want to use the scroll wheel. I want both to be. Why not both? And that's the always the funny thing to me. I don't encounter it as much with Linux people. It's if I had to, if I had to be, uh, if I had to be, uh, why not both. And that's the, that's the always the funny thing to me. I don't encounter it's, if I had to

I had to pick a community to kind of put that stereotype on more than any other, it would be the Apple community, where you kind of say, hey, I'd really love it to work this way. And they say, well, you shouldn't. And I go, well, yeah, but I do, though. And they go, well, I like it working the way it does. And I go, good. Then it should keep working the way it does. And also it should work the way that I'd like it to work.

These are not mutually exclusive. But it's something that, I don't know, some people really seem to struggle with. one thing I will say is that when I was dinking around in the terminal a bunch trying to get Odysseus working Pudy Pied Pies thing I ended up using middle click to paste a lot and I was like okay I get it but that was a that was a weird situation where I wasn't really like at a desk I was at like I was on like a test bench and my keyboard was like way over there because I had the 50-90 with the weird power modification that I was like fixing the soldering job on in the

middle of the debt so like my keyboard was not super convenient and I was uh using a bunch of like AI assistance to help set up like to help with like Linux terminal commands and stuff because no I don't want to go do a six month course on Linuxing in order to you know set up this program that I just want to use um so it was a bit of an unusual situation but I but it was enough for me to the utility of it. I could definitely see it. I do think terminal heavy users are probably where a lot of that is coming from, the people who like the scroll wheel paste. Definitely. And I get it for that use case. Again, it's just kind of, like I could actually see myself

getting used to it during certain workflows and potentially wanting to switch back and forth. Again, I like doing what you do when I'm reading something really long or trying to load a ton of comments or do whatever, which is a very common thing for me in a browser. I like to just middle click, scroll down. Or when you're done reading and you want to go back up to the top and get to the navigation. Just whip right back up. I like that scroll wheel stuff. So, yeah. But there are times where like I've been like, okay, I think I get it with liking scroll wheel paste because of need to jump back and forth between a bunch of terminals.

Um, so yeah, I mean, I, if in my perfect world, I would have some funky keybind where I could switch between the two. Hey, X, Xfin 724 brings up something that was actually driving me kind of nuts. And I could go look it up, but, hey, why don't we have it as a live conversation on Wancho? What's up with control V in the terminal on Linux, adding extra crap to the beginning and end of what I copied? Can someone explain that to me? I, die. Because if you right click paste, it's fine. or if you middle click, then it's fine, but if you control V, then there's just a bunch of, like, bullshit in it. And I don't understand that.

Does anybody know? It's, uh, yeah, it's not paste. I remember looking it up at one point in time because, but it's like extremely long time ago. You have to control shift V? No, no, I don't want to because that's another key. Why would I do that? Okay, no, someone explain it to me in a way that, like,

it, like, it, like, has a purpose, adding extra crap to the thing that I'm pasting, because it does paste the thing. Control V were assigned to system functions like stopping active programs long before graphic windows and clipboards existed. So it's old stuff that has carried forward. Yeah, when I'm going to be true about terminal stuff for like a long, I remember looking stuff like years ago. Yeah. Like when I'm trying to exit a program running on Windows, it's Control C to like stop the running execution.

Yeah. Yeah, this is not a Linux unique thing. Yeah. It's just command lines. It's older than copy and paste. Interesting. All right. It gets to win.

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Like, I think I looked this up when I was in like, university. I'm not talking like a couple years ago. Like a long time ago. So why does it put 200,

whatever, Tildi, some crap and then Tildi? Like, what function did that serve? That I have, I have no idea what you're talking about, to be honest. And if it doesn't serve a function, then could it just not? I feel like that's the kind of thing

that there's got to be a way I could make Linus Linux and that could be like the one thing I change that would be like my fork of like mint it would just change that Control V would just work in the terminal and then it would be fine it could be a box in the settings

that you got to pick yeah yeah MacOS users are just freaking out for me even suggesting that sorry guys I can hear them screaming. Oh, that's amazing.

What the heck is an option? No! Anyways, should we talk about another topic? Yeah, sure. Want to pick one? Yeah, I want to keep it kind of on topic a bit, though, because I want to jump to on top of 11th year. Who are you, and what have you done with the WAN show?

I've been around San Francisco for too long. I want to talk about AI. Oh, no. They got him! They got him! Look how they massacred my boy! It is, it is, dude, you know what? Okay, we'll take a quick aside before we go into there.

We're back to the normal Wandshow. We're back, we're so back, baby. It is so weird being here, man. You, like, you drive around for a little bit, and all the billboards are like, this is the AI. rule all the AI, use this for your CICD development pipeline. Like, it's, where am I? Even the airport, dude, alien space. You walk through the airport and it's like advertisements for like hosting stuff and like, yeah. Like there was a, there's a digital ocean billboard. Yeah. Like,

billboards. Yeah. Sure thing, man. Like, there's, there's probably a tiny amount of people in BC at all I even know what DigitalOcean is. Like, oh, man, it's very interesting being here. It's very, like, you are palpably in nerd land. Oh, yeah, brother. Which is kind of cool, but it's a weird space. And then you're driving around and you see, like, just Adobe building, Oracle building,

yeah, Nvidia building. I remember the first time, like years ago, the first time you and I were down here, I remember seeing the Zinga building and being like, What? Like the Facebook game company? Really? I guess they would have a headquarters somewhere. Yep. Why not here, I guess? Sure. Anyways. Okay, back on topic. Proton 11. Yeah. Valve has released Proton 11 expanding some game compatibility, which is awesome, with certain titles including Universe Generator, the Golden Sword, DCS World Steam Edition. That will get some more nerds over to Linux for. for sure. Resident Evil, Resident Evil 2, Dino Crisis, Dino Crisis, from Dust, Metal Gear Survive,

Warhammer Vermintheid 2, Gothic 1, Classic, and Xplane 12. What's a bigger deal is it includes an integration to Fex, Fex, I'm not sure, 2605 for Arm 64 EC. Oh, that's cool, as well as several core dependencies. I'm going to call it Fex. Fex is the compatibility layer responsible for the ability to play x86 games on arm like we talked about in our initial steam frame coverage that is exciting so i'm going to say this because i don't know anything yet um but i hope that this means steam frame is coming really soon oh i didn't see this as a time frame thing but that makes sense well they recently started updating some games with a works on frame badge okay Proton 11 is here with

Effects update There's a new Steam VR UI update Yep So things are like Things are firing Like every week there's a new A new prerequisite For the Steam Frame launch

That seems to kind of land And it's all kind of working its way up to A lot of the Initial Steam machine stuff Seems to be mostly resolved Like they've got that red bar thing that's getting patched really shortly. The dust is settling on Steam Machine

and it looks like we're gearing up for Steam Frame. I am legit, so excited for this thing. Once I actually know anything, then I'll have to clam up, but I don't have a shipping date. I don't have an availability day. People keep asking me, dude, it's crazy how much hype there is about Steam Frame.

I literally Googled Steam Frame, Steamframe release date rumor I'm gonna see if I can find this again Frame coming in July Is this the one? Hold on No, this doesn't seem to be the one But I came across a A discussion on Reddit

Where something was pretty strongly upvoted That it must be coming pretty soon Because Linus had marks on his face in a video that seemed to be indicative of that he was wearing the steam frame recently for testing. I'm like, bro, I just had a mark on my face. You need to calm down. I do not have a steam frame. I think it was an early release version of the steam frame. Yeah, sure. Sure. I think that's right. I think that right. Sure, sure thing. Now, what about our information on Half-Life 3? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, that's releasing on...

Okay. Are you pretending to be looking it up? No. Linus and Luke, how are your current Linux experiences been going since the Linux challenge? I think it's actually been a while since we've talked about this. Are you still running it on? Okay, we should, but I found it. Hold on one sec.

Any rumors about YouTubers reviewing the frame right now? This is from eight days ago. Are there currently any rumors before this? Okay. I like how the question's not even, are the rumors true? Just do they exist? Like, people are so freaking hype for this thing. I heard LTT has it and loves it.

I also heard he's convincing Valve to wait another month to stick it to the fans. Like, only leak I found is Linus having some VR headset imprints on his forehead. Might have been the Pymax Dream Air. It wasn't that either. Like, what do you guys, what are you guys talking about? You're just, and to be clear, like, it's fine, sure. Like, you know, as far as rumors about Migo, those are pretty, those are pretty tame.

Maybe it was the big screen beyond three. I must have been must have been I'm gonna get my big screen beyond three before Luke even wears his big screen beyond two it's gonna be great but just like seeing how rabidly excited people are just to talk about this just to even meme and shit post about it like

I think I think the frame is going to completely eclipse the already smash hit success of the steam machine like Valve has another winner on their hand here. This is crazy. Anyway, what are you going to say? But yeah, are you, are you, so are you still running, you still running Linux anywhere, bro?

Yeah, so I've been, I've been, I have transitioned off of Pop OS. Well, it depends what you mean. I am running a steam machine and I am also dalying a steam machine. Yeah, see, he's having a real hard time with this. That's why I'm going to remind him. Oh! Oh! of an ad.

Okay, no, I'm switching away from that. I'm not endorsing Roundup. Yeah. Why does the WAN account always get Roundup ads? Oh, what is this? I got two ads. Okay, we're going to have to buy premium for the WAN show accounts. Don't do that.

I'm not spending money on that. They use it once a week. It's fine. Oh, man, two unskippables. Get out of here. Okay. So Jordan and Justin, with some guidance and a little bit of help from me, this was a team effort, alongside, I think it was, was it disappearing ink that flagged this thing for us? Or was it free geek?

I don't remember, but one of the local, like, computer antiquity slash recycler people, I'm pretty sure it was disappearing ink, got their hands on one of the original steam machines that Valve ceded out to meet. not including us but that's fine I can wait I'm patient and then we built like the sickest little small form factor build in it um that ended up just oh man being so good like it's so good and the specs are so good I think we ended up with what was it a 7800 x3D and then a um I want to say it was a 9070 or a 9070 XT or a 9070 X T or a something like that. So that's what I'm actually using for my daily driver machine right now. I'm running Steam OS. It just gets like normal Steam OS updates. Everything's working great. The only thing that I don't have that a steam machine has is I don't have the built-in

dongle for the Steam controller, but frankly, I don't really care about that. I like the Steam controller for what it is. I think that Valve did an outstanding job of executing on their vision for it, but it's not something that I need at my desk where I already. have a keyboard and mouse. It's just not necessary for me. So I don't care about that. And then it also doesn't have support for CEC, but I'm using it as a desktop PC anyway. So that also doesn't matter for me. So it's way more powerful. It's louder. But that doesn't matter because remember, I have fiber optic cabling running through my home. So I just put it in the basement and then I don't have to look at it or think about it or listen to it. It's just a pristine, immaculate steam OS experience.

And I am freaking loving it. It's a steam machine, but faster and better. And I've been stoked. How was the install of SteamOS? It was kind of a pain in the butt, but I didn't have to do it, Jordan did it. That machine has literally just been sitting there ready for me. And I'm loving it. So for the first week of my daily driving steam machine challenge,

I was actually carrying my steam machine in my backpack to and from work so that it was the only computer I was using. And then I wanted to ride my motorcycle one day, and I was like, oh, it's such a pain with the steam machine. machine because it's like it's like on your back and my the posture on my bike is like yeah yeah yeah it's it's not comfortable to have a ton of weight on your back and I already have my tech sack in my bag and I was like oh I really don't want to wait why am I doing this I should just have steam machine at home because now you're it's it's almost less of daily in steam machine now it's more just daily in steam OS yeah and I and I and I spent the first week

you're still spending a lot of time with steam machine yeah I still spent the first week only with the steam machine, which did make me notice some things I missed in my review. Yeah, and honestly, I think, you know, Steam OS is the truly interesting part of this whole situation, in my opinion. Oh, yeah. So, like, that seems fine. 100%. But, yeah, that's wicked.

Yeah. Yeah, I was like, especially after hearing your feedback about it, I was pretty tempted to get one, but man, they're so expensive. And I kind of wanted, like, a little bit more power. Yeah. And I'm kind of in the, just use the OS, build your own computer again, camp. So CEC is an interesting thing because you have a desktop computer, so there ain't no way you're planning to use your Steam OS machine as your desktop. I'm thinking this would be a console, right?

Yeah, home theater, yeah. So we're actually sourcing pretty much every CEC adapter that we can get our hands on right now for short circuit. because I really want to solve this once and for all in my theater room. I'm playing around right now with the CEC adapter that Jordan got for this video that we did not get working properly on SteamOS at the time. It works pretty well on Windows for me, but it's like it's not a silver bullet either. Like I ran into a situation where something I'd never heard of before called a C.E.

storm was causing my computer to wake up when other devices were chatting over CEC. So it turns out it's a it's a really weird architecture. It's like it's like a ring topology or something or it's like it's more like a it's less like a switching architecture and it's more like a hub architecture where it just like blasts out and then if the right shit hits the right fan then shit gets real like it's just CECC is. is a mess. It's an absolute mess. And so I'm still kind of struggling with it. And every device has different degrees of customizability and control. Like a device that does it really well is the Nvidia Shield. It lets you really get in there and say, okay, allow this device to turn on other

devices. Allow other devices to turn on this device. Wake other devices when this one turns on. wake this device when other devices turn on or don't do those things you can you can configure all of those with a pretty significant degree of granularity but then my a v receiver is just like fee fee on fee off what does that mean and you can't tell it on which inputs and outputs it's just free zee like you've got to be kidding me you guys do this for a living this box costs like $4,000. Have you gone mad? So it's just, it's pretty, yeah, it's pretty annoying.

Shraf 2K says, just use the Silverstone key fob. Shraf 2K, tell me you're not married without telling me you're not married. Like, it's got to be kid-friendly. It's got to be like the wife and the girls want to watch a movie. Otherwise, literally no one will use it. That's the whole point of CEC is that. that it took this whole crappy multi-remote thing and solved it, except that it's a giant piece of shit.

Man, what a life goal that would be to, like, fix CEC. If someone wants to do that, like, I'll invest. I'm going to say it right now. If you can give me, like, a credible plan and, like, show you've done the work, I think I'm in. think that could be my third investment. Crystal says you know girls can figure that out. I'm a let you in on a little secret, Crystal.

It's not that they can't figure it out. It's just that most of them don't give a shit and don't want to in my life. And I got to work around the people in my life. I can't change what people are and what they're interested in and what their preferences are. They have the intelligence to do so. They just don't. those particular ones don't care. That's right.

And in general, if our demographics are anything to go by, they're not weird freaks. So we do need to have solutions for people who don't care and don't want to figure this stuff out and don't want to deal with multiple remotes. It's just that simple. I know some people do care, but I don't get to pick. And I know the names and I know the preferences

of everybody my wife would have over for a girl's night, and none of them include determining which HDMI input is correct. literally zero they're not interested and so so i got a you know i that that's the thing that's how that's how consideration works right is i don't the golden rule is not really that great you know do unto others as you would have others do unto you it's like no actually do unto others as they would have you do unto them like that's the that's the right way as a reminder yeah in case people get confused. He's talking about the women in his life. Of course.

Yeah. Of course. And also the demographics on the channel. Again, it's not like, it's not a great mystery. It doesn't mean there's zero. Doesn't mean there's zero. Not as common. But it means the odds. It means the odds are. And remember, I mentioned

like my kids too, and some kids are super tech savvy too. And don't mind it. Emma's better with the TV than I am, because I watch so little TV. That actually doesn't surprise me. at all. Not one bit, Luke. Yeah.

Like, I would be, I would actually be surprised if you could even find the TV remote in your house. Do you know where she keeps it? The only reason why I can is because she got this really cool, manipulatable, like, sculpture of two hands where you can move the fingers

and she has it like positioned so that the remote like beautifully gets held by the hands. Holy shit. shit. I just had the coolest idea. Okay. No, no. Wait. Oh boy. Hear me out. Okay. You know how Yvonne does like craft night sometimes? Okay. Okay. You know those things that you can do like with kids or like as a couple where you create like a mold of your hands and then you like you put plaster in it and you like make your hands? you and Emma should make your hands

like a next level one of those holding a TV remote because that way that way you could have like a piece of decor that's also like a special like memory thing and then yeah Luke can find the remote that'd be so freaking cool

yeah I mean it sounds like a fun craft night I just feel like she was going to get to look up to Craft Night at some point. I have to be there because my hand has to be molded. That's clever. I was going to say like it's, I feel like she would just immediately use the like, oh, if I ask where the remote is, she's like, it's in your hand. Nice. That's hilarious. That's great.

You're already holding it, smart guy. It was not bad. All right. Yeah, sure. That sounds fun. Just be happy that she didn't have. ask you to mold your butt. Here's the remote.

Okay, that would be a pretty funny remote holder too, just like a cheek. Just on the side table, just a pair of cheeks. You know what that could end up being? It's like a dirty cooking spoon holder. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It like shrinks down.

That'd be sick. Oh, dude. Okay. So we make like, instead of just doing like sentimental hand things, we make like, we make like hand things that do stuff. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay.

It's actually not bad. I'm actually, I'm actually messaging Yvonne now. I'm messaging Yvonne. Okay. All right. You want to pick a new topic? I just wanted to say,

I realized while sitting here saying that like, oh yeah, I'd rather kind of build my own steam machine just to make it a little bit stronger. That this finally gives me an excuse to build in a fractal terra. This isn't in no way sponsored by fractal, but I always loved the fractal north and the fractal terra's super cool. And the green fractal terra with the wood accent is just like. Yeah, that looks nice. Beautiful. And has that, you know, appeal that we were just talking about. Like I think Emma would be much more okay with one of these sitting in the home theater like center console thing than uh most other options it's so

funny how the the terra with wood accents went from being like unique to being the case that everyone buys i had actually built in like four of them before i even realized that i had built in four of them just because everyone in their dog was picking them for their ultimate upgrades oh yeah that makes sense. It's a really nice case. Oh, cool. Yeah. It's a great case. And I love the North, but the North is huge. Oh, I don't want it in this case. I generally don't mind computers that are decently large, but like at the home theater set up, man, no. I can avoid it now.

Yeah, no, you don't want, you don't want something that big for like a living room. It's like, what are you in college still? Like, come on. Yeah. Even with the wood accents, it's just, it's not for it doesn't go in the living room. If it was next to a computer desk that is in a shared space, 100% valid. I've got one as my workstation PC. You can't put a giant thing like that.

It ain't going in the living room. No. Hell no. Beautiful case, though. Yeah. But yeah, I agree. Anyways, okay, you said next topic. Let's see.

Well, okay, yeah, what, no. No, I'm not going to do it. I don't even understand why it's in the dock. No, do it, do it. No, I want to know. Do it. Come on. Okay, because I'm confused, but I haven't read the whole topic. Intel releases major driver update for Windows 11. Oh, yeah.

How is this a land topic? No, this is a land topic. Intel released new Wi-Fi and Bluetooth drivers. Wow, that include enhancements aligned with Microsoft's Driver Quality Initiative or DQI. Yeah. Microsoft recently told Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, and other partners that drivers need to stop hurting Windows 11's reliability reputation. Damn.

Yeah. We talked about this on WAN show. I do remember this now. DQI is Microsoft's attempt to raise the floor and includes Microsoft authored class drivers. Less unnecessary kernel mode interference and more user mode drivers where possible. This is good.

That is good. This is real progress. This is actual shipping drivers from Intel that are designed to make Windows 11 less of a steaming pile of shit. This is good. No, that is good. Okay. That was it. I just wanted to...

So the point of note is that someone actually did it. Yeah. Which is great. Real actual concrete action is happening and it's fast. I mean, they announced this driver quality initiative what, like a couple months ago or something like that? Yeah, that was pretty quick.

So we are already getting... The only question is, why did it take you so long Microsoft to care about this? No, no, no, I'm not going to dwell in the past. Good job progress. Okay, sorry, go ahead, Luke. Good job progress. Also, we figured about your tracking. So see you later. You know, the DQI group probably had no idea. I don't know. You know, maybe they're cool.

Huge companies like that, it's, yeah. You'll get these groups or these individuals that really do have the best intentions. Yeah, absolutely. I really deeply care about the user experience. And then I'm sure they are reading stuff like that over on Windows latest and making the exact same face that we are. Like, what, what is even the point of the good work that I'm doing over here when you're going to go and do that with it? Like, come on, man. Yeah.

Hot spot temperature sensor on NVIDIA's Blackwell GPUs is still accessible if you have access to NVIDIA's internal mods tool. Okay. Since that headline was written, this has gotten a little bit more complicated. Let me do the read for this one, just in case they missed. something. When the RTX-50 series came out, reviewers noticed that hotspot temperatures were

missing from tools like hardware info and MSI Afterburner. And while it looked like Nvidia had gotten rid of the feature, like it was no longer reported by the die, turns out the sensor was still there. It just wasn't accessible through the usual

software. Well, Paulo Gomez, I assume, a Brazilian repair technician and YouTuber, investigated a customer's gigabyte RTF 5070TI that was mysteriously throttling despite showing normal GPU temperatures in Windows. In Linux, Gomez was able to use Nvidia's internal mods, so modular diagnostic software, to discover the hidden hotspot sensor was hitting 107 degrees Celsius, even though the standard

tools reported only around 68 degrees Celsius average GPU temperatures. And this was exactly why enthusiasts cared so much about being able to access hotspot temperatures because it would reveal if a bad mount or a bad paste job was making it so that overall the dye was cool enough. But the hottest zones, the most compute intensive parts of the chip, were overheating. He disassembled the card, found poor thermal paste coverage. Okay, yeah, there you go. So that's exactly what I was talking about. He reapplied the paste and confirmed that the hotspot temperature dropped and the throttling disappeared.

Linus comment, oh, okay, so they did put that in here. This seems to have been starting to make its way into regular tools. So I think, hardware info, 50 series hotspot, hold on, I'm just going to Google this live. I think, yes, hardware info, this is two days ago, according to video cards, adds RTS50 hotshot temperature reporting, RTSS can display it now too. So I'm a little frustrated because while I'm not sure that NVIDIA ever said formally that it was removed, they certainly didn't do anything to correct the speculation that it had been removed.

And it's a really useful tool for diagnosing, especially if you're doing African- aftermarket cooling, like mounting something like a full coverage water block can be a little bit hazardous because there's so many surface level components, like it'll directly, it'll directly cover, you know, with thermal pads. Although again, that's a great example of why this matters, because if you have too thick of a thermal pad, right, it's making contact with all these other components on the board, like your memory modules, uh, with your VRMs. And if you screw up something or you put on too thick of a thermal pad or you don't tighten something down enough, it can contact the dye enough. Remember, this is a water block. So it's moving heat away really fast.

So it can contact the die enough to carry heat away, but it can not be in good contact with one small area that could be a very crucial spot that, you know, like Paul O's saw, that could cause the card to thermal throttle. And if we don't have access to that temperature sensor, then we have no way of that knowing if that's happening. So taking away useful tools that help us diagnose hardware is just like not cool? Apparently roughly two-ish years ago, um, Roman from Derbauer asked Nvidia about it not being there anymore and got a response of saying it was no longer accurate and no longer relevant. He obviously, you know, had thoughts about that.

But that was what they said. Oh, man. Yeah, there's some comments saying effectively exactly this, but I had the thought of like, man, telling Derbauer that some thermal measurement doesn't matter. I wonder if they knew who he was. I mean, if it's not accurate, then that's one thing. But this proves, though, that they're taking action. on the behavior of the GPU

based on this number. Yeah. Well, okay, which one is it, Invidia? Is it inaccurate and irrelevant? Or is it actionable? Because it cannot be both. There's a lot of speculation.

Yeah. But it makes sense to me. But it is still obviously speculation, saying that maybe, you know, the modern cards run really hot and maybe it would have been bad for, perceptions or sales or marketing or whatever to have these hotspot sensors blasting out crazy high numbers.

I mean, bad for marketing is the only real reason that I can think of for them to... But it's no longer relevant to the interest of selling more graphics cards. Maybe not no longer relevant to the user. I see. But yeah, this is just one thing I found. I don't know if they've had a more recent statement on that. I doubt it. I think everyone just kind of accepted it and moved on.

Moved on. Yeah. Well, either way, I'm glad to see that this is out in the open now because it's a very useful tool. Speaking of useful tools, oh, never mind. I will do this after. But it's really cool. I'll tell you in a minute.

First, I'm supposed to do the CW announcement. This week, we launched the investment. Investment Disclosure T-shirt. Oh, boy. How do I? I'm not going to be able to screen share and also, there it is. It's the one I'm wearing.

It's pretty cool. It's designed to save me time and effort. Because if I just wear this shirt, then surely the investment disclosure will be all done. Amazing. Are you actually going to do that? No, no, I'm still going to try and remember.

I very occasionally do forget. So we were like, ha ha, ha, why don't we just? just do a shirt that's like investment disclosure and then if you forget then whatever this is great went and got a framework laptop for the shoot anywho uh now available lTT store dot com printed on our classic polyblend tea soft breathable everyday fit high quality print that lasts uh this is a shirt about investment disclosure that's it that's the bit fantastic uh thank you cw team and if you guys were looking for an experience

to pick one up, then, hey, while we're live is a great time to do it. All you got to do is add an item to your cart and you'll see checkout messages. These are the way to interact with the WAN show. We don't do Twitch bits or super chats or anything like that because we think when you throw money at your screen, you should get high quality merchandise and apparel in return, not just, you know, internet peen. So when you go ahead and enter your message here and check out, it will go to producer dan there he is who will curate your message or

who will reply to it or who will pop it up on the stream do you want to show them what it looks like when you curate it Dan yeah sure well I mean I can't show it to them but I can demonstrate it nice I think solid hi DL what's something the audience thinks is

easy about running LMG that's actually quite hard and conversely what looks hard but is easy P.S. UV hoodie so good in UK Heatwave more colors please scheduling scheduling is is by far the least intuitively difficult or intuitive difficulty aspect of lmg like all the moving pieces camera operators uh you know getting the getting the hardware you know tested and in the right place with the right software loaded on it um like a perfect example is this. This is the razor fold. We shot a short circuit for this today. And compared to when we used

to do a short circuit for a phone a couple of years ago, like back then, we would just have the phone. It would come in and it would just like appear on set. And then when we sat down to shoot the video, it would like not be set up. It wouldn't be logged into the Wi-Fi. So you'd waste like 20 minutes just dinking around like signing into Google accounts or in some. cases it wouldn't have any battery left so you'd have to like plug it in and wait around for it to charge or like go shoot something else so getting all those all those little pieces pre-organized like nowadays when this phone arrives on set it's signed in it's connected to the Wi-Fi it's got a couple apps on it that you

might want to run like if you decide to run a game on it it has like Fortnite on it so that we can just you know have some over-the-shoulder gaming you know to cut in while we talk about our, like, our gaming performance measurements and stuff like that. I think that's the biggest challenge that people kind of take for granted. And it's always in flux. It's always thrown for a loop. Like a perfect example of this would be when our steam machine arrived, we had a bunch of other stuff on the go, but it just arrived.

Like, brands do not consider that maybe you have a life. You just, you're a job. just, I don't know, you're just a thing. And they might be right, but like, come on, bro. You don't have to tell me like that. You send it over and magically content appears and that's all they kind of know a lot of them. Some are really good. Others just completely kind of take what you do for granted and the difficulties of what you do for granted. It's like, well, we did all the hard work. We made the product. All you have to do is glaze it. Like, come on. How long could that take? right um so that's um yeah i'm gonna go with that i'm gonna go with that yeah so we just had to drop

everything we were doing so that we could put together and execute on a content plan for steam machine and actually i don't think i've said this publicly yet but like bravo to our team like putting that together we had one steam machine sometimes for like a really big launch we're we managed to get our hands on more than one so that like labs can be testing it while we we're shooting the short circuit unboxing, and then it can, that one can make its way to someone to have, like, you know,

the experiential daily driving experience with it, and then we get the labs numbers in, and then that one goes in for B-roll while the host is holding the other one for A-roll. Like, when you have a lot going on, it can be really useful to have more than one, but we managed to get a short for LTT, a long-form for LTT, a follow-up long-form where we did like a steam machine killer

and compared it against it for LTT, and a long-form short circuit, all, like, within a day, day or two of launch. It was pretty crazy. The team did an outstanding job. Yeah, chat has a good question. Why is the smiley face in disclosure like dead or something? I don't know. Don't worry about it. Don't overthink it. Okay. Why is this a dollar sign? Who knows? It's a mystery. Also, when did, well, I mean, that don't make sense. Stongs. Why did the, when was this first release on the story?

today? Wow, I think, am I reading this right? Your regular large is already sold out? Uh, I don't know. Maybe?

Good chat. Nice. How about another? Oh, not on the global store. Larges in stock on the global store. I'm on the global store. Okay. I don't know then.

It says it will not be restocked. Oh, it won't be But that doesn't mean they're all gone, I think. But it doesn't say they won't be restocked on everything. All right. Well, I will flag that for the team. Okay. Good chat.

Nice. All right, Dan? Oh, yeah, this one's for Luke. Yo. What exhibit or creator are you most excited to see this year at OpenSauze? Did you bring anything to show off yourself, hoping to be there Sunday, myself? I didn't bring anything to show off myself. but the creator warehouse team is here and they brought some cool stuff they brought the fire

they brought yeah they brought some pretty sick stuff they they brought i think uh two different super large screwdrivers i think they might both be three x scale i'm not sure i think one of them is a translucent one and one of them is the just normal screwdriver uh they also brought my favorite thing that they brought really is they have like the history of the the normal standard screwdriver, the scribe driver. The pen. A pen. And then also the precision screwdriver. And they have those on like big boards where you can see the different prototype

versions along the way. And not like pictures of them. Like they have the actual ones. Yeah. They have the they have the like the like laved out shaft that Sebastian put a plastic like generic pen top on and just taped it on. It's the like proof of constant. ever seen that before. I saw that today. That prototype is actually sick. It's the actual, it's the actual one that he handed me and said, hey, what do you think? Yeah. Which is pretty cool. The one. There was not two. Yeah. They're there. They're literally physically there. So like,

if you're talking about it, they might even like pull it out and kind of show you more up close and stuff. So that's wicked. They have some of the actual engineers there, um, uh, which is, which is, is cool because you can talk to them. It kind of fits the theme of the show a little bit. And then they're selling a shirt and the like nuclear green UV reactive screwdriver. And then they have some deal going on. I don't remember the exact details. I think it's if you spend over 50 bucks, you get a coupon for free shipping on the store. And the reason why they did that would totally make sense to me. They didn't want to bring down every freaking product we have because that's kind of unfeasible. It's like a thousand skews or something. I forget.

Yeah, so they were like, okay, well, we'll make it so you can like, kind of have shopped everything by, you know, you can just get free shipping instead. So that was a cool, seemed like a pretty smart idea. Yeah, so I did not personally bring anything, but LMG did through creative warehouse. Particular booth or particular creator I'm excited to meet. Honestly, every year I meet rent. random new creators that I've never heard of sometimes that are like massive. Like gone is the time where as like a casual YouTube viewer, you would just know the top 100

YouTubers. Like not only does is the top 100 YouTubers completely irrelevant to me at this point in time, because who cares? But but also there's like huge creators doing amazing things that I've just never heard of all the time. And I spend a lot of time on YouTube. And there's not huge creators doing amazing things I've never heard of. So I just have fun meeting people doing cool stuff on YouTube.

In terms of favorite booth, my favorite area tends to be the like hobbyist rocketry area, which apparently NASA is just here officially this year. And they brought heat shielding from I think it's Artemis 1 and Artemis 2, which is like super cool. So I'm excited to check that out. Yeah, usually it's the like rocketry stuff. Last year there was a really, really cool booth where you played CounterStrike, but they made it so that a bunch of the grenade effects were had like a real life equivalent. It was like a leafblower and things and smoke machines and fash bangs.

Yeah. That was that was a lot of fun. They did like the inverse for an incendiary grenade. So if you walked into an incendiary grenade, they would spray water on you. If I remember quickly, if you walked into a smoke grenade, It would shoot a leaf blower in your face, and you had to deal with that. What was a flashbank? Do you remember flashbang? There was such big strobe light, like Xenon discharge pulse. It's this crazy light that makes it difficult to look at your screen. That was fun.

But yeah, man, I don't know. I think it's impossible to like look forward to anything in particular at OpenSauce, other than just open sauce. It's just so different every time. I've never been. This will be my first one. I think you'll have fun. if you can move at all.

You might want to bring some form of disguise for your face. There are multiple creators that do that here. I'm not kidding. Really? Yeah,

because there's just a ton of fans around. You won't be able to go anywhere. Yeah. I don't even really like do like maker stuff as much. No, but this is... It's not going to matter. I can't move. Yeah.

Oh. Yeah. You're not going to be able to move. You might want to bring something. I need to be able to move. I'm down for just the, one day we're shooting a video we actually have kind of a fun uh we have kind of a fun video concept it's going to be like uh like a break my cable sort of concept and not like like use a hammer

no no no no relax it's okay um but basically i'm going to go find cool the coolest stuff i can find that people brought that needs a USB cable and then i'm going to like see if my cable can can make it work which it should because it's true spec um and then basically it's just an excuse to highlight like a half a dozen cool projects at open sauce that need a cable. Sounds like a great idea. Yeah. Legitimately, we have had multiple booth people because it was an industry day today. Yeah.

Run up to the booth being like, can I buy a cable? Really? Oh, yeah. Did anyone keep track of who any of them are? Because it'd be great for me to pop in on them tomorrow. I think, I think one of the guys was, I know I was like, they were having a bunch of issues with the creator shuttles today. So this morning when I went to the event, I got an Uber and I just stuffed a bunch of random other craters in it.

And when I had to come back to do Landshel, which I'm obviously not at the crater hotel, but when I had to go back to get my laptop and stuff, I did the same thing because the shuttles were also not working again. And while I'm in there, I'm just like whipping stuff on my pockets. Like, we make all these different things. Look at our pens. Look at our fidgets fairs. I mean, you trapped in the car. But it's, I mean, it's interesting because the, you know, I was talking to someone earlier today about this of the like 2010s era of like every single YouTuber is just selling one to two shirts and one to two hoodies at a time. They're all probably from T-spring.

Like that is over and lots of people are getting into products now. So every single year since I've been coming to open sauce, the like behind the scenes conversations from the creators has been for everyone, not just for. for me or us has been like what's going on in the product space what are you working on what are you thinking about how are you approaching it how do you work with manufacturers how do you like it's a ton of it is product stuff because that's where the external funding seems to be going for a ton of creators and it's really interesting because I was talking to someone recently about like you know if you tried to make if you weren't a YouTuber and you tried to make the LTT screwdriver get it on the market oh my god I don't know how I'd do it it'd be so difficult yeah

And the screwdriver is a little bit maybe more like mass appeal, but there are some YouTuber products that if you were a standard company, it would be so hard to make this like niche product really makes sense because it would be so difficult to actually hit a huge portion of people in that niche. But there's market data out right now that as the generations progress, more and more people are doing purchasing decisions based on online creators. Gen Z's at 41% And if you are a creator within a niche, you already have the attention of the whole niche. So it might make something that that niche has wanted for a long time and actually viable product because of your existence, which is really cool.

It's almost like people followed you and glommed on to you because they had common interests and alignment in terms of what they want. Oh, it's almost like that. Once, you might be able to make it. And because of your natural marketing of already having that audience, you can make products and product lines potentially make sense that might not have otherwise, which is just super interesting.

So it's a lot of the behind the scenes conversations are about stuff like that. Genuinely, most of the conversations that people have with me at OpenSauceau are about, like, our stuff that we make more than anything else, which is interesting. You know, it's funny, I actually shot a video today just doing a tier list

of science and tech creator merch. And again, I shouldn't be using the word merch. I don't want to use the word merch to describe our products because they're not merch anymore. And frankly, none of the things that I checked out today were merch.

Dude, you go back 10 years ago and that would have been... Unheard of it. T-shirts, hoodies, and maybe one water bottle. Yep. And now it's a ton of really unique, very interesting. Dude, I had a barbecue scrubber, a meat thermometer. So those were very, those were, those aligned extremely well.

I cooked my meat and then I cleaned my barbecue with creator products. I had an end table that was in the shape of a, of a, like a, like a sewing thread, spool. I had... No, no, no, not bottom. Bobbin's a little one. It was the shape of a spool. Oh, the big one?

Yeah. I had... Although a Bobbin Ottoman to go with it would be amazing. Simone, if you're watching. What else did we... What else did we have going on? I don't...

Oh, dude, the Green brothers are involved in, like, laundry detergent. It was like a collab with technology connections. I was like, okay. Oh, that's amazing. Yep That's perfect Yep

Wait is that out? I remember hearing about that Oh I don't know Well I have it So Wait did I say did I say I said dishwasher right? I think

I think you said laundry but sorry Not laundry dishwasher dishwasher Detergent Sorry sorry guys Dishwashers I said laundry sorry sorry sorry sorry I said laundry sorry sorry oh apparently both are out Okay good making sure I'm not getting that wrong.

Yeah, so the one that I checked out is the dishwasher detergent. Yeah, very cool. That's awesome. Heck yeah. Oh, I was supposed to say one more thing for the creator warehouse part of the show, callouts. We have our end of season apparel sale with discounts up to 40% off running right now. So it's a great time to pick up some underwear, the lightweight packable jacket, the lawsuit hoodie.

This one's particularly on topic right now. Excuse me. Yeah, so go check it out. Just if you go to LTT store, I think it's the, yep, it's the second banner in the banner carousel there. Just feel free to browse. There's lots of good stuff in there.

All right. Oh, wait, Dan, was that only one comment? No, you did too. Oh, nice. Yay. Thank you. You're actually ahead of schedule or schedule. I don't know what you,

North Americans, say anymore. I have lost the understanding of which is the wrong one for you. It's schedule. Schedule? Yes, like Jif. Gotcha. Yeah, it's a silent beginning of the whole word. Yeah.

Thank you, Jod. Continue. Ouch. Oh, ow, that hurt. Okay. What do you want to talk about next? Should we talk about YouTube? class action lawsuit?

Yeah, honestly, I was looking at that. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. A new proposed class action has hit Google stating that YouTube premium is false advertising because they market ad-free, but you will still see sponsor segments in videos. Oh. Specifically, the baked-in ads that creators include. The lawsuit is citing other claims in YouTube's marketing, such as no interruptions or most

videos are ad-free in the case of previous. me in light. So our discussion question is, do you think there's an argument to be made here for this class action? Because clearly Google is not serving the ads and not profiting from them, but they're also representing the service that they are providing as an experience that people are not really having. Like I just, with my...

built in ad block like I'm aware of you know if I'm watching oversimplified or whatever I'm aware that there's like a giant two-minute ad read in the middle of it or whatever and I'm like that that tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap and and like I don't like it doesn't bother me but also if you don't have that ad block in your brain yeah I can see I can see encountering that and going well what am I even paying for then? Well, YouTube Premium has built-in ad-skip. Yeah, but I don't think... And also, I think the precedent here is not that,

and the argument that I would make is that, like, on all ad-free platforms that I know of, there's still, what is it called? The product placement. Yeah. Advertisements and lots of other forms of advertisements. Just because it's not full-screen role. doesn't mean there isn't other forms of advertisements.

So that has been true for a very long time. There's also been native integrations on other platforms that are ad-free for a very long time. Or non-native integrations, I guess. I don't know. I'm losing the terminology. But when the hosts talk about a thing instead of it being like a cutaway to an ad, that has been true on other platforms for a while. Like a plug, you mean?

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, I don't know. I, as a very long-term premium user myself, ad skip, bro. Like, what's the problem? Yeah, because it does, the way that YouTube does that is they put up a prompt to skip frequently skipped chunks of the video, right?

Yeah. Which generally corresponds to... Almost always is the read. Because the way to do it before that was if you looked at the timeline of the video, It gave you this like wave form. And the waveform was essentially a retention graph. And you would look at the dip and then this like massive surge. And the massive surge was because people would click on that.

So that was just the old form of it was you would just very clearly see where the ad ended by looking at the waveform of retention. And then they added as people are pointing out a little white dot, which is the end of the frequently skipped area. So you can just click on it on the timeline. or there's also a button that shows up in the corner that says jump forward or jump whatever, I don't know, and it'll just skip it for you. So like, I don't know. I understand the argument that the class action is making is that the ad is there at all, not that it isn't easily skippable. But I do think there's quite a bit of precedent for it being the type of thing that they're talking about is platform inserted unskippable. like pre-rolls, mid-rolls, whatever.

Not stuff that's baked into the content naturally by the user that generated that content. There isn't platform ads. I'm going to both sides this one. Like if YouTube says in their marketing, no interruptions, right? I could see that both ways. On the one hand as a viewer who's getting a two-minute read for,

oh man, I'm trying to think of what's that, What's a company that advertises on YouTube a bunch? Funny. Thanks for that. Sure. Let's go with honey. You know, I'm getting this long read about, you know, honey or whatever. I have been interrupted.

But on the flip side, YouTube has delivered the content that that creator uploaded in its entirety to you with no interruptions. How is it their problem or even their role to do? decide what to serve you and what not to serve you? I think an interruption in the perspective of YouTube is them interrupting the video that you are watching by inserting an ad. They're not doing that. They're not. Yeah. The video that you are watching is just becoming an ad. It's uninterrupted. It's very easily skippable. Yep. So I don't think the interruption thing, I think a lot of it depends on like, where are you placing the perspective in this conversation? Yeah.

I mean, Flowplane isn't ad-free then because, you know, WAN Show has sponsors and product places and it's got to get that dough for me. Yeah, exactly. Just like, I mean, I could tell you all about true spec cables

on LTT store.com. And that's on Flooplay now. They're super flexible. They support, you know, very high power and data rates and are designed to be durable and UV resistant if you like using them in your car, for instance.

True spec cables. LTT store.com. Right, like, should YouTube cut that out? If somebody pays for premium on YouTube, should they not see that? And this is actually a really good question from Sidney Brokit over in Floplane Chat. If the entire video is a sponsored video,

should YouTube not serve it then to premium viewers? what exactly is it that they're asking for? Like what should Google do? You know, this is interesting. I don't know if we say anywhere that Floo plane is ad free actually. No, we don't. It doesn't tend to have ads.

Like there's usually a float plane cut, not usually, always, I think. We try. There's a float plane cut that doesn't have the sponsor spot in it. To the point where some people have actually complained because they think the more creative ones they actually want to see it, which is kind of funny. But I'm looking through, you know, I might be wrong.

Someone might have it somewhere. Will we leave it up to the creator? Yeah, because the platform wouldn't say it. Yeah. Because we leave it up to the creator, like you said. But then I don't think the Linus Tech Tips plans actually say, hey, there's no ads, even though we do cut them out. Well, we've tended towards a promise less, deliver more approach.

because we ran into trouble in the earlier days sometimes when we would promise more and then someone would make a mistake or it would not be viable for some reason or another or we would the business reality would change and we'd have to backtrack and it's a lot easier for us to just under promise and over deliver as best we can

versus like promising the world and then fucking it up sometimes. Yeah. Unless it's full spots of videos, like AMD upgrades. Yeah, that might be why we just don't use the verbiage. This is really interesting. Just seeing, now obviously, there's a bit of a sampling bias here because this is coming from people who subscribe on float plane, which is like a very support the creator's platform. Like you get extras. And we'll actually, we've got some

really good extras this week. So we'll talk about that a little bit later. But you get extras. But other than that, it's just like throwing coffee money at us to help us support the team and build the platform. But seeing the conversation in here, like, man, this, this blows. This is a dumb lawsuit. This, are they trying to, you know, destroy creators? It's like, way to go.

This is dumb. YouTube doesn't create sponsor spots. This is basically just saying, you know, screw the creators, but I don't know. Like, it's really interesting seeing the hostility toward this lawsuit when, I mean, you must remember this, Luke, from back in the garage days, how angry people in the community would be that we had the audacity to try to make a living at this. Literally any form of advertisement whatsoever or the video being monetized at all. Yeah.

And it's just- If YouTube monetization was on, because you used to build it just turned it off and there would actually be no ads, which was psychotic that that was possible in the platform. I just want to say, that was crazy. I don't know how they ever thought that was going to work, but whatever. Sounds good. Thanks, Google. Yeah.

But yeah, Mr. Assister makes a really good point. Like, as much as I am obviously coming at this from a pro-creator standpoint, I've got three children. Oh, he's not there to ding me. Whatever. He said it. He said, oh, whoops, I pressed a button. Good Lord, what am I doing? So, yeah, I'm coming at it from a pro-creator, like, perspective.

but I actually agree with Mr. Assister here. This feels like when cell phone companies advertise unlimited data. It's like, yeah, it's not actually unlimited, and everyone understands what they mean by that, and there's an argument to be made that it's unlimited, but like no one forced them to say that. Nobody forced YouTube to say no interruptions. They could have just said it in a...

Because by the time YouTube Premium existed, so did in video. sponsor reads, so it's not like this was some new thing that came about after the fact. This is a perspective conversation, and I understand the argument you're making, but from their perspective, there is no interruption. No, I get it. I see both sides 100%. But I don't think the unlimited data thing is, to me, the unlimited data thing feels more egregious. I understand the comparison you're making. In a lot of cases, it's unlimited. It's just at a, it throttles to such a speed that effectively you could figure out how much

much data it is because it would be the maximum data rate over the amount of time remaining in the month. They just actually don't interrupt videos. Like actually. They don't. It's not that it like, it's not that they don't interrupt 80 videos a week and then they'll start interrupting them a little bit. Like no, they just actually never interrupt videos. I get it. The interruption is coming from the UGC on their platform. But they don't say, they don't say we won't interrupt the video. They say no interruptions, which is a broader statement than they had to make. So he's right that they didn't have to make such a broad sweeping statement. They could have said no YouTube ads.

And that would have been true. So I totally, I totally, I can both sides this one pretty, pretty comfortably. I could sit and argue with myself about this for the next 10 minutes. Yeah. Pretty easily. To be clear, I don't think this lawsuit's going anywhere. Like I don't think you're going to be able to, to make this argument. in court that YouTube is somehow liable for the user-generated content that they are,

to your point, not interrupting, right? Like, yeah, like Google isn't. So Archangel of Death, hell the name in full-plane chat said, no interruptions added to the creator's videos. Yeah, they could add some, like, they could make it a longer qualifying sentence. Yeah. To me, I, personally, I think, you know, I don't think anyone actually thinks Red Bull gives you wings.

I mean, that was a problem, though. Yeah, but like, maybe we don't need to worry about that. Didn't someone get hurt or something? Hold on. What's the actual history? Because I don't know how much of that is just like urban legend. Gives you wings lawsuit. Here we go.

Oh, wow. AI overview, but hear me out. In 2014, Red Bull agreed to pay $13 million dollars to settle a class action false advertising lawsuit. Filed by consumer Benjamin Carithers in 2013, the suit claimed the slogan Red Bull gives you wings

and the drinks marketing misled customers about the beverage's energy and performance benefits compared to standard caffeine sources. So like ah. That's insane. They didn't admit any

fault and this is one of those cases where yeah, the corporation should even if they settle, they should not have to admit any fault. But if Red Bull can get in trouble for Red Bull gives you wings, then I think YouTube might be, maybe could be in more trouble than I thought here. Maybe. Well, I think the safest thing is to just never say anything.

Well, I think the safest thing is for YouTube to say YouTube premium gives you wings. And then anyone stupid enough to believe it can go jump off a building. I like that. It solves itself, really, if you think about it. I do think they could, you know, I think they could have more clarifying language. I just, I also worry about like, okay, is every advertisement going to be a, I don't have a bleat button here, but a legal document at this point? Like, I mean, yeah, I don't think anyone wants that. Like, that's the thing that I think people got to ask themselves.

Like, do you want that? Like, there's a, there's a balancing act here. We don't want misleading advertising, but we also don't want to read a 30-page. legal document just to understand what a product is. There's got to be, there's got to be something in between. We've got to make this happen. All right.

Why don't we jump into, oh, yes, Dan, he moved the mic toward himself, so he's preparing to say something. Dan, speak. Okay, that's a good point from FloPlate Chat. Why am I resisting this? And I think the Red Bull gives you wings thing is really stupid,

but I also think that the Pepsi jet is legendary. I don't know. feel free to unravel that one for us. Is it? I feel like it is different. Because in the PepsiJet thing, they, like, they gave it a point amount that you would need to get to. They were very specific, and it was, like, in the TV commercials.

It was in there. I think it's different. Really? I think it's, I think so. I don't know. Pepsi promised a jet, and YouTube promised no interruptions. No interruptions. No interruptions.

I think we really could both sides this one for like the rest of the show. Maybe. Maybe I'll just shut up and we'll move on. All right. Why don't we have another just kind of free-flowing conversation topic? This came up in Writers' meeting actually last week. And I was like, yeah, I don't know if it's a video essay for the main channel. But what I really think it is is a really interesting conversation on WAN show.

Elijah brought this up. There was a post on the subreddit, and I'm relying on the writers to bring it to me. I think I'm actually one month sober from even looking at our subreddit at this point, and quite frankly, I'm happier for it. This topic comes courtesy of user Zizen 553, saying we should review more mid-range tech.

It sparked some conversation both in the comments, as well as here internally, asking, like, what exactly is mid-range? And we saw people debating things like whether the $200 TV that we just did a video on is mid-range or entry-level. On a recent short circuit, Elijah referred to the nothing 4A as nothing's budget slash entry-level phone, and some people got quite upset in the comments saying that's not budget, that's mid-range. So I guess the question here is like, you know, what does the community want? Or like, what is our team's understanding of mid-range? And I think this answer is going to really vary depending on the product category.

Like a perfect example of a product category that I no longer, like, I'll admit to you, as somebody who does this for a living, for my profession for like 15 plus years now, total, going back to when I was at NCIX, something I don't understand right now is how to classify GPUs. What the fuck is a mid-range GPU anymore? Because I can tell you how I used to do it, right?

Like back when I was at NCIX, entry level was the like, the actual garbage total waste of money like GT 610 literally is worse than just

upgrading your motherboard to something with better onboard graphics why are you even buying this that was entry level it was like I need a secondary display output that was entry level

and that made its way up to like probably about a hundred dollars nowadays you can't buy for under $100. So what even, so entry level doesn't exist. And you know what?

That even started to happen throughout my time at NCIX where the entry level went from being something that even made any sense to buy to being something that was just manufactured e-waste. Then your mid-range would have been like your

$100 to I would say like $200 because as soon as you went beyond that, you got to like, no, this is a serious, discrete GPU for like serious gamers. It wasn't a given that everybody put a graphics card in their system. If you weren't gaming, you didn't put a GPU in your system. There was no purpose for it in general use software. Not everybody was a content creator and using the Adobe suite. Like, I feel like I'm very old man yelling at clouds right now,

but it really was a totally different environment. And so by the time you got up to, you know, I'm buying something like a GTX 460 or something like that. I'm spending $220, $250, $300. Like that was getting into like mid to high end, you know, and then by the time you got up to like a 70 class card, that was high end. But here's the kicker. That 70 class card was like $350, $400, right? And that was high end.

And then anything above that you had like. almost like you would have in like your DDR rankings, where you've got your alphabet, and then you got S tier. So you had like your enthusiast tier, where basically everyone, in putting it in that category, everyone's acknowledging that nobody needs this, that this is not necessary. This is like we know we're spending twice as much

to get 10% better performance or whatever the numbers work out to. You're buying an extreme addition. You're buying an 8800 ultra. Nobody needs this. This is an enthusiast tier. You just want to spend the money because you want the biggest e-dick. That's fine, and that's totally valid, but let's all be honest with each other about what it is. Nowadays, a thousand Canadian dollars, right?

Because I'm talking CAD back then. A thousand Canadian dollars buys you what, in terms of like the class, like the numbers attached to the back of the GPU, I would have called like a mid-range GPU back then. Okay, maybe not quite, but like mid-high. You know, somewhere in that range. Like a thousand Canadian dollars barely gets to like a 50-70 now. And so I have no idea. For graphics cards, for graphics cards, RAM, a lot of modern compute, to me, it feels like there maybe isn't an answer.

Yeah, $50.70 is about $650.0. So times 1.4. So that's around $900 Canadian dollars. I think mid-range is now used. I don't think you can say that, though. That's such a hack. That's a cheap. because people are still buying something. People are still buying brand new across the entire range of Nvidia's products. So there has to be an entry level,

but it seems like the answer is just no, there just isn't. Nvidia stopped making GT. They stopped making anything that wasn't GT. Like it used to be that GT and GTX denoted like gaming cards. Now I don't think they have a product that isn't RTX,

that isn't that isn't gaming. Like their product line starts for the 50-60 at like 300 US dollars, is it not? Actually, I think it's a little more than that. What's a 50-60 8 gig? Yeah, it's higher. 50-60, oh no, these are TIs, hold on. 50-68 gig.

Got to double check. I can't find any non-TIs right now. What's going on here? 568 gig. Yeah, well, it's because the TIs are the same price. So, yeah, their product line starts at the cost of a secondhand PlayStation 5, which is freaking insane. Like, there's no other way to describe that. And people are like, Linus is just discovering inflation, but it's not that, right?

Like, you can look at the dye sizes and look at what those dye sizes are available for in other product categories. Like an Intel, you know, K-series gaming CPU or whatever, still. cost the same in dollars today pretty much as it did back when I was working at NCIX 15 years ago. So no, this is not just that. Obviously, it plays a role, absolutely. And the memory, Ramageddon crisis that's going on right now, that's obviously a factor as well. But I'm just, I'm looking at this going, I don't understand how to classify this. Because if I looked you in the eye right now. And I said, yeah, I'm building a system with an entry-level GPU, a 50-60 TI 8 gig for $370 U.S. dollars. You'd be like, what the fuck? You're out of touch.

But I'm not out of touch. It's the children who are wrong. And Vidia is the one who's out of touch. I don't make the rules. That's their entry-level product. It's the shareholders who are wrong. Like is it is does entry level mean an amount to spend? Because I think that that aligns with what you said where you're like, okay, second hand is entry level or it's mid range, right? Or is it or is it based on what the price bands are of products you can actually buy? I know it's like a meme on the show that I'm cheap boy, but like I was talking to some people lately and looking into some of my own stuff for buying computer hardware and like my job. It's a wasteland. I was trying to look into some decently high-end stuff because I want to start running some pretty good hardware at home for running local LLMs. And in Canada, it just doesn't exist.

So that's cool. Like the use market is just not a thing. You can go on eBay.ca. You can say I want it to come from Canada. You can do the search term and it will say, well, you can get it from the States or China. China. Good luck. It literally shows no results for a bunch of the stuff I was looking up in Canada. Very disappointing. And when looking at other people wanting to build user systems and like if I want to build this steam machine that I'm talking about, I'm not getting new stuff

man. Like I was looking at the stuff that I could find on Facebook Marketplace or whatever else compared to retail prices. And I mean, it's terrible. There's a reason why Scrapard Wars is not very interesting right now. I agree with not making Scrapard Wars this year. It's just terrible out there. It's still better on the use market than it is from retail, especially if you're cool with it,

and you probably should be, because it's actually probably fine, going back to like DDR4 platforms and accepting some stuff that would be, probably feel weird if you're used to building computers over the course of the last 10 minus two or three years. But yeah, this is wild. Go back at Jen, deal with some stuff. Some of the old Zen platforms that were DDR4 are still smoking. We actually, Labs is working on an article that they sent me the first draft of and I wrote up a script on the plane on my last trip. I've just got to tweak it

and then we're going to probably record it on Monday when I'm back in office, but it's like a retrospective looking back on the goat, the 1080 and 1080TI. And talking about now that driver support has been dropped, it's no longer getting new feature drivers, now that there are games that exist

that literally will not launch on these cards because they don't support rate tracing and the games require ray tracing, how viable are these cards still in 2026? And I was actually, I was like kind of blown away by the henser. It turns out they're actually still pretty viable. It was a pretty cool little exploration. I've been saying forever now that my buddy's son was playing Arc Raiders on a 1080,

not even TI. And he like actually was and it was actually really good. And they're, and they're, okay. They are. Don't bite on the first eBay deal, you see. Because there's a lot of people out there going on, who would I got? But there's a lot of people, too, that are more realistic. I found on Facebook Marketplace, deals, there were deals to be had, like 1080s for under

100 US dollars, 1080TIs under 150 US dollars, like 120, 130. When I was perusing stuff pre that article being worked on, I was finding 1080s at like the $80s. Canadian range when you were like kind of lucky. Yeah. You know, not all of them. They're out there. They're around 100, but you can find them down to the 80 range.

And I didn't spend as much time looking for the TIs, but yeah. The TI has 11 or 11.5 gigs of, no, yeah, 11 of Vram. Like, it's pretty wicked cards, man. It's relatively slow by modern standards. So you got to understand that V RAM is not the B.L. and end all, but it's a viable gaming card for literally tens and tens of thousands of games on Steam. You don't have to play. Very likely a lot of, if not all of the games that you're playing. Yes. There, that's key. Especially if you're coming from, you know, if you're upgrading from

something older, right? Although I don't know if too many people are upgrading to a 10 series at this point. It's been 10 years. I wrote a really fun intro for that video. It was, like, oh wait, did you read it? No, I'm just sure. I had a conversation, yeah, let's not get into it, but I am not surprised. Yeah, we can talk about it more later. Oh, okay, whatever.

The point is I wrote up, it was like a thing where like talking about the goat in GPUs is a lot like talking about the goat in women's tennis. Like, there's room for outlier opinions, but there's no way that the 1080 sisters and the Williams sisters are not in the conversation. And it just kind of builds on that.

And there's actually like some fun parallels in that, you know, one of them came first and blazed the trail that the other one, you know, surpassed anyone's expectations for what could be done. Like the older sister, you know, set a bar for greatness that only the younger sister could surpass. Like, I don't know, it's kind of, it's kind of fun. Honestly, I went to SteamStats, most played top 100 games by current players. and I feel like the 1080 would do totally fine in the vast majority of this. Yeah, what are we looking at here?

Okay, we got PAL World. CS2, Dota 2, are you kidding me? Taskbar here, some idle game. PubD. 5M is GTA 5. It'll play PubG, no problem. Right? Like, GTA 5 is literally from that era.

Uh-huh. like what are we even what are we even talking about here I mean I don't know football club 26 might have some tech that would be weird or something

yeah that might be demanding probably fine I still feel like its rating is also 49% with 91,000 reviews so maybe just spare yourself the frustration Destiny 2 is pretty demanding but should run

like overall it's not like you're not going to be able to play mecha chameleon right like apparently a GTX 1080 gets 64 FPS at 1080P Ultra in EA Sports FC26 there you go there you go

what a crazy card man it just doesn't care it just goes forever they're amazing there's this clip and we link I think it's a video cards article or something like that in the in the labs article

that links to, I think that article then links to a video that's from CompuTechs from this year where when someone hands Jensen, I think it's a 1080TI. And you can see in his face that like I think he actually really cared about like that generation of cards. And then he talks about like when he receives it, he's like, oh, this was a good one. And you can tell like there's probably a little bit of hamming up,

there's 10 trillion cameras around or whatever. But you can tell he was actually kind of like really reminiscing on it. And it's, man, unfortunately, that's all we can do is reminisce about it. Yeah, I do miss the pre-R-TX era. But yeah, seriously,

scrolling through this top 100 games by current players, you're going to be fine with most of this. There's a couple standouts where I'm like, ooh, yeah, that might be kind of rough. I remember running Tarkov

on a 1080. I remember it kind of sucked and I remember I was happy when I moved on. Tarkov is number 79 on this list. Nice. But man, oh man,

Siv 5 is there. That's so funny. Is there any other civilization? Six is there. Okay. Five and six are both there. Seven is not. Yikes.

That's a yikes. Both of your older games, being in the top 100, is sick. Your newest game not, is that's unfortunate um i got a question that i've been holding on to for a little bit here from athen immortal and this is going to break your brain um athen asks what is the modern equivalent to something like just a matrox i just need a display card well it's funny you should ask because

the modern equivalent is just the equivalent we have not moved on to this day from the gforce 210, which no longer carries the GT modifier, apparently. I think it used to, although I could be wrong. It's been a while. This is a card that has, I shi-you-not, PCI-E 2.0 and one gigabyte of DDR-3,

all for the low, low price of 45 US dollarinos. what the actual fuck Nvidia just straight up stopped making entry level GPUs which honestly kind of makes sense because they were stupid

and onboard graphics is so much better than them already but also just what like when did the when did the GForce 210 come out release date? Oh I'm looking it up I'm looking it up to get your loud keyboard out of here 2009

2009 So are you saying they're making new ones still? As far as I can tell, that was an in-stock item brand new. So there ain't no way that it's leftover inventory from 17 years ago. So that answers your question. Drivers for it? I mean, there must be. It's a brand new card you can still buy

2009. That's insane. You know what's really crazy about that? Linus entry level GPS. Remember we've done that video twice where we basically just call out don't buy entry level GPUs. They're a waste of money.

So here's one of the times. Okay, I don't even know what card we were talking about cheap does not mean good value okay this was a 10.30 okay so we called out that there was one we did way

way earlier that like what does this have to do oh sponsored like search man search on freaking YouTube what is even the point of using it at all I swear I can't find like

anything on YouTube anymore okay I'm going to have to try and find this and then part of it this is another interesting conversation at open sauce with with different creators and stuff but part of it's just modern packaging you know I'm going to I'm going to complain about it we have to do it so it is what it is but title and thumbnail

it title and thumbnail needing to be the way that they kind of need to be make search atrocious. But it's so heavily promoted. The impact, like, I mean, creators have been talking about, okay, I understand you don't want clickbait thumbnails, but if I put up a non-clickbait thumbnail,

I get freaking owned. And if I put up a clickbait thumbnail, or not even a clickbait thumbnail, if I put up an enticing thumbnail, then it actually works, and you guys actually watch the videos. But it's like way more real now. Talking to creators here even about, like,

oh, yeah, I put up a, better thumbnail and my retention went up by 8%. And it's like, what? Like, just viewer behaviors are wild. And yeah, yeah, someone said, nah, it's clickbait. I'm like, yeah, you can call it clickbait all you want. It's completely necessary. And it's not going anywhere.

That's the problem that I'm pointing out here. But what's dumb about it is YouTube has so much metadata on these videos that there is no reason. And I'm about to prove it that they couldn't. released the right, that they couldn't give me the right result. What was the Linus Tech Tips video where he said entry level GPUs are a waste of money? Boom, here's one of them. If you're thinking of an older video, Linus and Luke ranted about it in this video. Oh my God, this is another ad for Roundup.

You've got to be kidding. Does the ad pause if you switch tabs? It does. That's, that's demonic. See, they don't do that with premium. Let's go. Hold on. There's an older one.

Low end video cards rant. Okay. So that was based on the R7-240. Your one from 10 years ago called out the GT-210, which, oh, my God, was cheaper than it is today. Is it time for another one? Do you have to be another video?

Do we need to make it like a fourth or whatever it is now? No. this video is from 2016 yeah I mean it's been a lot of years bang on I guess been a decade

oh man yeah so inflation would have brought that up by 10 bucks crazy but let's see okay so I search for low end video cards Linus on YouTube okay and it literally

finds the one it brings up 50-50 I guess that answers our question about what entry level is according to YouTube and then what is this okay YouTube made me review this budget GPU

that's actually a pretty on topic one terrible news cloud gaming is good now what are you talking about people also watch what is this can you do an experiment for me can you take the exact term phrase whatever sentence you typed into Google well that's what I was trying

into YouTube okay so low end video cards was exactly what I searched for low end video cards It couldn't bring up that video. What you put into Google search. Oh, sure. Copy the entire thing. No, it's gone.

Sorry. Yeah, I closed that tab already. History? Oh, no, you're going to find all my stuff. Okay, I've apparently reused that tab. Okay. All left arrow does not. Oh, yeah, okay.

Yeah, control shift T. People are saying that should bring a tab back. if you close a tab. Yeah, but I didn't. I've reused it. This is Red Bull gives you wings lawsuit. Sorry, guys.

I computed wrong. Maybe don't worry about it then. Yeah, I've been wondering if, and I haven't actually tried it myself, but I've been wondering if YouTube has been moving more towards natural language search as they, you know, insert Gemini into everything. Okay.

Here's the original. Finally found it. Oh. Sorry, another ad came up. low end video cards rant radion R7 240 unboxing and review and our thumbnail for this literally was a stupid product

no one buy it and here we are all these years later do you think you can still buy an R7 240 I feel like that one maybe not holy fucking shit wow okay okay hold on hold on hold on though this looks like this has got to be an old listing These are just like old, old garbage.

You gotta be kidding me. I can buy a new one from Elmo Prowing brand. That's not as bad as the NVIDIA one that's like still available from actual authorized AIBs. I'm dead here. Can you imagine back then, back in 2016, anyone with a straight face trying to sell a GPU from 2006? like trying to sell you like an X800 pro or something I was going to say what would that even be?

Yeah Your God Like a 70 well yeah well 2006 what would that even be that would be like G46

when did the 6800 Gt come out I feel like, that must have been around then. Oh, 2004. So that would be like a 70, 7,000, that would be like a 7,000 series. But this is. Right.

I'm looking at like a timeline of Nvidia releases. Yeah. And then what would have been current in 2016? That would have been like 780 series. And it would have been a low end card from back then too, which is crazy. No, that would have been later. That would have been like 980. GPU, hold on, let me double check

No, dude, that was the 1080 So that would have been like someone trying to sell you A 6800 GT When the 1080 existed for 499 That's crazy And now that I think about it The 10 series also happened to be the last generation

to get a decent entry-level GPU. The 10-30 in the right RAM configuration was actually not crap. The 10 is just the goat. It's just the goat. You look at it, you look at the 10 series compared to what came 10 years before it, and you look at it compared to what came 10 years after it, and the difference is just staggering in both cases. Like how well it kept up with what came 10 years later

and how far ahead it was of what was 10 years before. I think 8800 GTX technically launched in 2006. I think it was November. Oh, did it? All right. All right. I'll allow it. I'll allow it. But I mean, for most of that year, it would have been 7,000 series. Crazy. Yeah, November 8, 2006. How much do you think it was? The 8800? Which one? The GTX. Hold on. I might actually remember this. I think it was 699, if I recall, correct. correctly.

Yeah, 600 bucks is what I'm seeing. Is it $5.99? But I probably was the ultra was $9.99 though. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also that it was 600 U.S. So you might be remembering

Canadian prices. I probably just forget. I would have been thinking in U.S. prices back then as well. Because all of our pricing at NCIX was just derived from U.S. pricing anyway. Because we were buying in U.S. dollars, but then selling Canadian dollars.

So we constantly had to be like hedging for exchange and stuff. It was the whole thing. The 8,800. GT though, that was goaded for value. That thing was incredible. It was almost the performance of an

8800 GTX, but it was like 350 or something like that when it first came out or like $2.99 or something. It was crazy. It was crazy. Like, if you talk to people who have been in Nvidia long enough, they'll like

still remember the trauma of accidentally releasing a product for like $150 less than what they should have been charging for it because you don't actually like win because the handful of people that were able to get their hands on them like they're happy but everyone else who's getting it scalped or just who can't get one is just mad at you like it's actually not good to price something too low it can end up causing more backlash than it causes goodwill with customers which is a really unintuitive thing that i think consumers.

if they just focus on sort of their own feelings and forget that there's like a lot of other customers out there and not all of them are going to be able to get one at that price, I can easily forget. Like I don't envy, you know, my girl Taylor Swift, right? She, she has her concert ticket prices. If she goes too low, nobody can get one. Everyone's mad. Scalpers rejoice. If she goes too high, she's a money grubbing bitch and how dare she price it so high. like nailing the exact right price. And then back to our what's entry level, what's mid-range, part of that conversation we haven't even gotten into yet is that it's all relative. It's all relative to your income, which, by the way, whether you have an entry level or a high-end income is super relative to where you live

and your cost of living. And so everyone's got their completely different perspective on it. So no matter where you price something, someone's going to be mad because you're pricing it like a premium offering and someone else is going to be mad because if you had just charged a little more for it, then I wouldn't have to stand next to all the riffraff in line at Disney.

Or, you know, well, like, whatever their perspective is, right? Yeah. Man, I... That would be a hell of a move for the Disney theme parks to have, like, one day a month where the ticket is like $2,000, and they're just like, yeah, whatever, fuck you, the park is practically empty,

you basically walk on to every ride. I bet people would pay. it. You know they would. I promise you they would. Yeah. Oh, man. Back to the 8,800 though. It's one of my favorite generations of graphics cards. Yeah. I just looked up the Ultra.

Because I remember I think it was just so obviously never going to happen that I just like almost erased this from my memory. Because I remember being like when I was shopping for cars at that time, like I was not going to be able to afford an ultra. So I think I just kind of forgot about it. the shroud version, which might have been all of them, I don't think so, but the shroud version that had like the bump. That's the ultra. For the fan.

Yeah. Was that every ultra? Yeah. Was every ultra like that? I believe so because that was one of the early examples of Nvidia having almost like a founders or reference cooler. Yeah. And their AIBs were not allowed to really modify it. So all you really got was like kind of stickers on this.

Yeah. They all looked like this with the, like, funky fanbub. The first time I saw one of these in person was when I started working with you. Oh, yeah, okay. And I just remember being like, damn. She was a, she was a thick girl. Yeah. By the standards then.

Like extending, like small. Extending beyond the top of the PCI slot bracket thing was crazy at the time. Two power connectors. Like for contrast, uh, here's what. the 8800 GTX which was basically the same damn thing just not clocked as high here's what the GTX looked like which was pretty

cool but it didn't have like that was like that's a big cart but it didn't have that big full coverage shroud on it so sweet what a time to be alive anyway cool that was a cool fun conversation

we still don't have an answer as to what exactly the crap mid-range tech is. I don't think it exists right now. I think it's a lie. Well, it does exist. I think it's completely contextual based on whether you're willing to buy you stuff

where you live right now because there's actually surprisingly different pricing geographically right now. And the product category. Mid-range TVs 100% exist. Entry-level TVs

that are worth buying 100% exist. But not every category has a functioning entry level or mid-range. And so I don't know what us covering more mid-range tech necessarily even looks like. It's good feedback. It doesn't work. It's talking about this a bunch. It can.

It can. It can. Yes. So one formula that I've been bugging the writing team for us to, like, get on is I want to make a habit of going to Costco, like, once every quarter. And if we don't have a video on a tech item that's in Costco, we basically consider that a failure. because if it's mainstream enough that Costco carries it, people need information about it. And if people need information about it and we're not providing it,

then we suck. And that's sort of the mentality I want us to have about it. You know how to watch Linus helping somebody buy a TV at Costco? I'd watch that too. You taking some employee from LMG that's like thinking of, like they want to buy a TV. Yeah. And you're just taking them.

on a trip to Costco and then they can ask about different TVs. Oh, I think I like this one. You can tell them like why it's, you know, good or not. Yeah, sure. I would, I would love that. Yeah, you don't like that one. That one has Tyson. What's a Tyson? Sure. But seriously. It's the devil. In all seriousness, though, man, I hate that some of Samsung's TVs are so good because I do find myself recommending them sometimes, even though I know that you're going to have to deal with that. But like, at the end of the day, image quality is king. me. So it might be hard for me to recommend something necessarily because my priority is not the same

as someone else's, but what I can do is demystify. Like, if they ask a question, I can explain, like, oh, yeah, it has that or it doesn't have that. The whole just like Linusco's shopping with people format has actually been really successful and going in and reviewing the videos. Like, I can see why. It's really enjoyable. And I also just, I really enjoy teaching people. This gets us really well into the floatplane announcement so we can get that out of the way but uh we did a float plane exclusive this week that is probably the most fun that i've had shooting one in quite a while um well actually there's a couple banger floatplane exclusives this week we have episode two of pull the trigger if you get a tech question wrong uh catchy name sammy good job but basically it's like tech

tech roulette and you have to take a chance at soaking yourself if you uh if the other person gets the answer first it was luke versus nick harris from the lab and then the other one is episode two of lmg turn umg learns life skills so episode one i think was elijah learning to ride a bike and episode two is colton and nico who i did not know did not know how to swim um but i give them a swimming lesson. And it was actually really fun. It's been fun reading through the comments.

Just because like this reminds me of how Linus can be awesome at teaching stuff to people. We don't get to see him do this very often, but we can clearly see how professional he is while doing this. That's literally my job is to teach people about tech. I think you just...

It's one of those funny things where it's like if you saw your school teacher teaching someone piano you might go wow you're a really good piano teacher um but like teaching anything follows very very similar principles and it's a really similar process um so like when you're teaching a physical skill it's just demo describe do correct um and you just you just repeat that cycle and as long as you understand how to do it pretty well and you have an analytical eye, it's actually, okay, maybe this is, this is me then. Maybe not everyone feels this way, but it's actually really fun. It's really rewarding.

And it's, it tickles exactly the same part of my brain as, like, Luke, you described the joy of, like, troubleshooting a tech problem or, like, like, debugging something and, like, like, that aha moment of, like, getting it working. It's exactly the same thing. It's the aha moment of getting someone to process that they need to be blowing bubbles and kicking at the same time. Otherwise, they are going to sink and they are going to die. And seeing that now that will no longer be the case and they might have a chance of not unaliving themselves if they, you know, fall into water at some point. Like, it's exciting.

It's fun. And I had a lot of fun with it. And it's just one of those things that is funny for me to. because I talked about it a lot more in the early days of the channel, but I often forget that a lot of people watching today were not born. When we started this channel, I literally am a very professional swimming lessons teacher because I literally did it for a job.

Like, that was my first job was to teach swimming lessons. I'm a professionally trained water safety instructor. So, yeah, it's not that crazy for me to be able to teach people to swim. But yeah, I don't know. It's fun though. It's fun. I had a really good time. But yeah, Happy Merlin says, I really like this video, especially that this time the instructor actually had a plan how to instruct them and seemed competent doing it.

It's like, yeah, I have like many, I have like hundreds of hours under my belt teaching swimming lessons. I know how to do it. I was just, I was a little rusty. But actually, because I had planned to teach my kids and then I never got around to it, I ended up hiring someone, I went and I got my hands on like an old WSI. workbook. It wasn't the same one. It was like the American one and I had taught the Canadian one. But the principles are pretty much the same. So I was able to follow it along and put together a nice little program for Colton and Nicole. It was good though. And like Sammy

did a great job of filming. We've got like this underwater footage and everything. So it's a fun little exclusive. What else am I supposed to say about float plane? Blah blah blah. Open the link. First one being tech relet. blah blah blah show the thumbnail uh sammy's got a bunch of instructions in here i don't follow the instructions but whatever uh and we have some mouthwatering early access sell the video linis sell the video what does he mean oh oh this is a fun one uh this was actually a uh media team labs collaboration so we tested a bunch of the top gaming distros to determine hey is there a gaming advantage for one over the others.

And it was, it actually has a companion article over on the LTT Labs website where they get into some of the more daily drivery, like setupy details in addition to just the performance benchmark. So it's a really nice little one-two content piece that I think you guys are really going to enjoy. So that's live on float plane. Now you guys can get wet with us. at LMG.g.g.g slash FPWan. Alrighty then, Sammy. Thank you.

Oh, I get it because both of the exclusives were water themed. All right, sure. Fine. I'll allow it. All right, what are we supposed to be doing next? Sponsors. No, I think we should do a topic or two before we do sponsors again. Then why do you ask? Wait, have we done any sponsors yet? No! Holy crap, Dan, you gotta, you gotta tell me earlier.

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da da da da da da da yeah let's do this one 75% of all PlayStation 3 games are now playable on PC

as RPCS 3 nears full preservation the open source PS3 emulator RPSRPS3

it's like designed to trip you up amazing that one's tough just announced that 75%

of the entire PlayStation 3 catalog by the way I read that I think like four times before I got there. Never saw the C.

Anyways. Makes sense that it's there. PC, but whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got this.

The entire catalog is now playable in PC. That's 2681 of the 3559 games. It tracks marked playable, meaning they run, start to finish with acceptable performance and no game-breaking bugs up from 70% of, January. This is an aside. That might be a nicer way for Proton DB to talk about things. Because I'm at the point where I just assume gold means not worth my time. But anyways, moving forward, a few big exclusives like The Last of Us, God of War III and Metal Gear Solid 4, are still in the

in-game tier, which makes sense since those pushed the original. hardware hardest? Yeah, in-game just means you can get past the menu, but you can't rely on it to be stable or not have any bugs. Okay, sure. So they can get in-game, but you can't. Yeah, yeah, you can't play all the way through for sure, just fine. This comes right after Sony confirmed is shutting down the PS3 and Vita stores by 2027, which turns RPCS3 into the de facto preservation tool for a generation Sony is actively sunset. The team also just re-implemented a chunk of the PS3 system software in open source code, inching towards the goal of running games without needing Sony's firmware at all.

Wow. Wow. Our discussion question is a hot one. Every time a company pulls the plug on old hardware, it feels like it's the volunteer emulator scene that actually saves the games. Should preservation really be falling entirely on unpaid communities? Uh, no. Yeah. Yep. Not much of a discussion question, but certainly a good point for us to talk about. Um, and our other discussion question is, if emulation is the only thing keeping some of these games alive, is it still fair to call it a legal gray area?

Yes. Yes, it is. Unfortunately. Unfortunately. Unfortunately, yeah. Also, this is, this is, hmm. Does this make complete sense? the argument that we're making?

Because most PS3 games had physical releases. Did I make an argument? Oh no, every time the company pulls a plug on old hardware, they don't pull the plug on the old hardware. The thing about the old hardware, though, they do, but does Sony provide replacement parts for them?

Okay, but that's a different thing. That's not open source communities. There's a finite amount of hardware that will, and there's a finite lifespan of that hardware before some time in the future when it will all be gone. There is other than emulation and other than preservationists, no other way to use that aforementioned disk.

And so I think, no, I don't think it's that, I don't think it's a disingenuous point to make because that's exactly what they're raising is when the plug gets pulled on the hardware, and there's various stages of plug pulling, like one of the plugs that gets pulled is we're not selling it anymore. another plug that gets pulled is there's no longer any under warranty then there's no replacement parts then there's and so on and so on and so on and so forth until someday there will not be a single PlayStation 3 that is left functioning

i just i just don't know if it's the same argument like there's um like okay when we're talking about like should it be entirely up to unpaid communities so what are we expecting them to do i guess is my question So they made this console. Yeah. They didn't stop it from working. I mean. They sold these games with physical copies, lots of them. I still suspect the majority of PS3 games were sold physical.

Oh, definitely. Most people had switched over at that time. So there's an incredible amount of physical copies out there. There's 80 million PS3s out there. What is the company supposed to do when they are expected to create an emulation port for a completely separate system, also known as the computer? Does that make sense?

Is that fair? I think we've talked about this in the past, and I think that you and I kind of both settled on, well, if I have some way to buy it at a somewhat reasonable price and forever, then, yeah, we consider the emulation a lot less necessary.

Like, if... Oh, I'm not against the emulation. Like, if the PlayStation store still if you were still able to buy those games and run them on modern hardware then i don't think there's any preservationist argument to be made but in a lot of cases you can't that's not that's not what i'm arguing oh okay sorry i'm super clear i'm not against the preservation here but i didn't say you were my my my specific line is the yeah where it says should it be fully on unpaid communities that that's the line that i'm looking at is like what are we by saying that

What is the action we're looking for PlayStation 2 have taken here? Well, that's what I'm saying. The action that I think you and I have talked about in the past and that we agreed that they could take and that would make all of this unnecessary is if you could still buy these titles and still play them on modern hardware. Because that would completely get around any kind of future where PlayStation 3 hardware is no longer viable or no longer available. But in a lot of cases, that doesn't happen.

It doesn't go down like that. that. And so in those cases, you know, I look at something like, like a crono trigger for SNES. And I go, okay, well, like, fuck you, Nintendo. Like, you don't make this available to me in any other way. So, like, you're not, it's not like you're profiting if I go buy a secondhand SNS cartridge anyway. So what are we even talking about here? Um, actually, I don't know if chrono triggers a great example. Is that available on other platforms? Chrono trigger, buy. Like, can you, can you buy it today for, for, any other, oh, no, it's on Steam.

Okay, so bad example, but there are many titles that were never ported to future platforms. And if it was me today, and I was like, I want to play Chrono Trigger, I would buy it for 15 bucks. I would think it is, no, I would think it's not great to pirate that.

For me, and everyone can make their own choice. I'm not passing a judgment if you decide to download a ROM of Chrono Trigger and play it that way. We're talking about different things. Well, I'm, what I'm, the only thing trying to answer is, should it be falling entirely on unpaid communities? And I'm saying if the paid people, like the software engineers at Sony, were making it so that you could play these games on the modern hardware, then it wouldn't be falling on unpaid communities. Sony would be doing it.

But if they don't do that, then it is falling on unpaid communities, because otherwise nobody's doing it. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're on, I think we're having different conversations. Oh, so what do you mean, so I was never questioning, like, if this isn't happening, then this happens, if this doesn't happen, or if this does happen, then this doesn't happen. Like, yeah, sure, it's the should. So that's why I keep coming back to, like, what should Sony do in this case? So are we expecting them as a company to permanently emulate every single game that ever gets released on any console they've ever had? Is that the action? The thing that I'm questioning is, what is the action that we're asking from them.

Because you're saying it should be available. So, okay, so Sony, not necessarily the individual studios, but Sony needs to emulate 3,559 games forward to every single console or PC and make it compatible until the end of time. And then do that for PlayStation 1 and PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 and 4 and everything. I mean, I think that a lot of... of people would also settle for... Maybe they can contribute?

Yeah, I think a contribution would go a long way, yeah. Maybe there's some threshold where like if you sell a certain amount of consoles or something, you're expected to contribute, once you sunset that console, you're expected to contribute some amount of software development hours or something. Or at the very least, at the very least they could just like screw up. off and not like make life miserable for the people who are doing it. Are they doing that? They, they can be very litigious around certain things.

Like the firmware, for instance, is one of the ways that Sony fights emulation by, by going after anybody hosting firmware files, which are copyrightable, even if there's other aspects of emulation that are considered to be, you know, a separate independent work and non-infringing. So it's, it's, you know, in response to our other discussion question here, it's absolutely a legal gray area because you can download an emulator and it's not illegal to host an emulator download that no one's going to be able to go after you for that. But as soon as you're hosting like the dot-sc-peh or whatever like firmware files, then

you're in real trouble. So tracking those down is just like a, it's like an endless maze of, you know, you know, cross-referencing Reddit posts to where there's an active download link for it because it all ultimately gets pulled down. And if it wasn't Sony doing it, then I don't know who it would be. I don't know. I think there's given the financial incentive to keep making these games available and how with all the tools that Sony has to build forward and backward compatibility,

which they clearly have done. so that no I actually don't think it's that unreasonable to ask them to continue to do that. I mean, they have done it. Yeah, I think there's actions that could make sense. I like the idea. It's interesting, interesting approaches, yeah. I'm wondering, like, one thing I'm wondering is, okay, if the firmware is a problem, like, all right, once they get rid of the store, okay, they're shutting down the PS3 store in 2027.

The Vita, too, I think. On the date that they ditched the store, if they open source to the firmware. Is that an action that would, like, work for people? That'd be a pretty bro move. I mean, I think there's a lot more documentation that would be extremely helpful so that it didn't all have to be reverse engineer. No, they would never. Guys, we're not talking about if they would do it.

I'm talking, ah, I feel like I'm not communicating this clearly. We're talking, should preservation be falling on the unpaid communities? Okay, everyone's effectively being like, okay, no. So then it's like, all right, then in that case, what action do we want them to take? And then I'm trying to figure out what thing, not what they would do, but what action do we want them to take? Maybe the firmware is too much. Okay, maybe they don't want to do that. It's trademarkable.

It's a little bit too far. What other step is then going to work? I would accept. them contributing to the open source code. I'd accept Sony doing the work and continuing to commercialize it. And if they aren't going to do that, then I think that's where we get into some of the solutions you're talking about, where they contribute to a preservationist society or they do something.

They, even if it's cost prohibitive, right? Like, okay, here's a compromise that I could see someone like a Sony potentially agreeing to, is they basically go, okay, well, here's the cell architecture, and you can port it to an FPGA if you really want to. By the way, that FPGA is going to be like an $8,000, you know, thing because cell architecture was ridiculous or whatever. You know, good luck doing anything with this. because at least what that would do is it would create a future 20, 30 years from now when again it comes down to

when are all those PS3 is going to die when all of those are actually starting to die maybe it becomes viable by that point to do an affordable FPGA PS3 like you're making it more reasonably possible give us some point on the horizon that we could look toward and go okay there's our target

that's what we're sailing toward to ensure that this entire generation of gaming history isn't lost. But right now, they're doing nothing. They're actively working against those efforts. And quite frankly, I mean, I understand why, because in a lot of cases, this is software that is still available and does still contribute commercially to the endeavors that Sony is undertaking. Like, I get that.

Obviously, they're going to be anti-piracy. They make money selling software. But there's got to be, there's got to be an eye toward, okay, tens of years in the future, how do we make sure that the efforts today to block piracy don't prevent it from being preserved? Where's the middle ground? Yeah, yeah. Okay. A fun topic? Oh.

PC gamer turns Steam games into, do you want to talk about something? I knew you were going to love this. I picked this just for you. I didn't really care about it. Dude, it's so sick. I actually kind of even just want to do this myself because it sounds incredible. I knew it. I knew it.

Even just having like, oh, man, I wonder how absurd they would become. But if you could make like an E-ink display that shows the art of the game, because these are 128 gig SSDs. I don't want to have a trillion of them. But if I had like maybe five, there were some of my more recent games, and then I could update the art on it. That would be so sweet. Okay, okay. Luke, do you want to read the thing? W. Calderini says, um, tell us the topic?

Fair enough. I got too excited. My bad. Reddard Jerrille Sama built a steam game cartridge system by loading individual games onto used two and a half inch SATA SSDs. Then 3D printing custom cartridge shells with cover art. So they look like oversized switch carts. It works by triggering a screen. that auto launches the game when it detects the SSD has been put into the dock, or alternatively just drops you on the correct Steam page so then you can click play.

The whole thing runs on Linux using a U-Dev rule to detect the drive and a system D service to run the script. Now, you don't care about any of that kind of stuff. But it's recreatable on Windows without the auto launch part. But I mean, you're probably switching to Linux anyway, so you can make it the coolest for It's a novelty, more than a practical setup. The notes say, this doesn't seem to add impractical to me, and the games are still digitally licensed.

So it's not true preservation. Yeah, it's not preservation, it's just fun. But the timing struck a nerve. It's landing... Yeah, that's a good point. It's landing right as the PlayStation Disc Death News has everyone talking about physical media again, and it scratches the itch of physically picking a game off the shelf.

One of the reasons why I would want to do this is it would be fun, fun to like, I don't know, once a quarter or something. You're like, you know what? These are the games I would I would love to like get off the backlog. Yeah. And then you're intentful about it. Yeah. I sit down the computer. What do I want to play? Well, I've got these four or five in front of me. Yep. Which one do I want to put in? I put the card in. It just starts the game and I'm going. There's not the like steam library fatigue that you run into. Yeah, this is freaking out. You want to hear the best news? You want to hear the best news? You want to hear the best part.

128 gig like old SADA SSD can be had for like as little as 15 bucks. Yeah. Here's some old sandisks. You know, so you could

get your five games for 19 Canadian dollars each. So it would be a grand total, here we go, of 115 Canadian dollars for all your game carts if you wanted to

build something like this? I think it's cooler to have the game on there. And then that keeps some, you know, some storage off your actual drives that are in your system and stuff like that. So it's like very likely worth it. But realistically, if you already have a big game drive, you don't have to have an SSD for each one of these. You just need the launch script. So you could have some really tiny storage. It could probably be like an SD card effect. You know you wouldn't like it as much that way. No, I want to do the SSD. That is sick. I was fantastic. I'm not even talking for me. I'm just talking to somebody's like, you know, I don't necessarily want to do that or maybe used SSDs are more expensive where I am. I knew you were going to love this. I just, I saw this

headline and I was like, I was looking into it. I'm just like, all right, I got to put this on the way and show doc. I'll bring this to Luke. Yeah, somebody said USB drives. Yeah, you could use like old USB drives. It was just a little tiny auto launch script. You can put on like anything. You could use an RFID chip. You could just put a card on a, you could like boop a card in order to launch the game. Like you could do this with anything. But having the actual- It's fun, having it actually chunk in.

It actually has the data on the drive. It's cool. I like that a lot. Yeah. That's wicked. Cool. This paired with the operating systems that that dude at Whaleand did. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. He had operating systems on? Yeah. Yeah. He had Windows and Linux operating systems on SSD cartridges for his old school modded system. That's so cool. Didn't he make it look like like NES carts or something?

Yeah. No, I think it was for an NES modded system. So then they looked like in nest carts and they like went in. But they were like you got two drives. Like they were like crazy. I have to do that for my server. No, you don't have to do anything. No, I have to do that.

You have to do that. It's required by law. He actually was just sitting there like this. He wasn't even on camera. Oh, my God, I got to. I'm leaving I have work to do I must go

I have been compelled On topic You know to do with PlayStation and game preservation Sony is planning to stop producing physical game discs in 2028 This points to a digital only PlayStation 6 Unfortunately that's a huge problem

for like a big chunk of the world, today, 121 countries cannot officially create PSN accounts or access the PlayStation store. So in a disc-free future, players in those regions

would have no official way to buy PlayStation 6 games at all. So this is the same problem that we had with Helldivers, right? I'm remembering, I think this is the exact same problem that Helldivers had. This whole discussion about how 62% of countries are locked out of PlayStation was kicked off from a Reddit user pointing out that Georgia has no PlayStation store,

meaning that Georgians would not be able to buy games after 2028. It is important context on that 62% number, though, that this is counting countries, not players and not revenue. So the excluded list, Estonia, Jamaica, Kenya, Pakistan, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, and others, is mostly smaller markets, and roughly 70% of Sony's gaming revenue already comes from North America and Europe, where access to the PSN our PlayStation Network and PlayStation Store is not a problem.

But these other regions have historically leaned on physical media precisely because PSN isn't available, so losing discs is going to hit them the hardest, even if they're a small slice of Sony's balance sheet. This lands while Sony is already under pressure on the digital ownership front, facing a $450 million lawsuit from a Dutch nonprofit and a planned antitrust complaint from Mexican lawmakers.

Sony has not announced any plan to expand PSM to those 121 countries before the 2028 cutoff, and there's unconfirmed speculation that the PS6 could offer an optional external disk drive. Our discussion question is, Sony is asking the whole world, I'm not really asking, demanding that the whole world go digital when a big chunk of the world quite literally can't is dropping disks a reasonable business call

or is it a giant FU to the gamers who relied on physical media the most By the way I'm doing a really quick tally of populations Can it be both? And it's billions of people from a... I know we're talking about smaller countries

it is billions of people from a business from a business standpoint I see the logic. But from a human standpoint, it's very clear how problematic the behavior is. I think both of those things can be equally true. Yeah, sure.

Because maybe there are billions of people, but how many of them are getting PlayStation's? There are billions of people. Especially PlayStation 6's. What's a PS6 going to cost? Yeah. How reduced are the prices they're paying? on those stores because of currency stuff, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

That all converts into business value, whatever. But like, oh my God, just have physical freaking discs, bro. Wasn't it like almost 20% of PlayStation sales were still physical? Like, do we really have to cut this off? I mean, it was less that it was still 20% or 25 or something like that. And it was more how quickly it was trending towards all digital. Right, that's right. Yeah.

Like, it's, it's, it's moving fast. Gamers are making a lot of noise about losing physical media and then. And then lining up to buy digital media. And I am, I am an early adopter of digital media. I basically, like, stopped buying physical games when Steam became a thing. Oh, you didn't have a choice. I know. Computer games stop being available physically forever.

I still had a choice. I switched over. well before I didn't have a choice. Oh, well, you're a fart then. I'll deal with it. Yeah. What are you going to do about it? I do miss my old Warcraft 3 reign of chaos box.

Yeah, well, maybe you should have kept buying them. That was the last cool, full-sized game box that I bought, and I, like, had it up on my shelf. It was, that was cool. I was sick. I kept buying them when I could. The PC games disappeared from stores really fast. Oh, yeah. Like, really, really.

Overnight, man. I went from like when we were at Future Shop, I wanted to like go see the PC game aisle to like what is even the point? Why is this even here? Like so fast. I only stopped buying physical games because they just literally were not available.

And then for a while there, you could only get them if you bought the Collectors Edition and then even the Collectors Edition just turned into digital codes. Nice. Yeah. I don't know. Gambler says I also switched over. Digital seemed so much more convenient.

That was before I knew the evil that would then happen. I mean, evil is a strong word, but anti-consumer I could get behind. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'll do the sponsor spots in a minute down. First, I want to do this. I have something called Linus Bonus Topic.

I got tagged in a tweet this week. From something that almost certainly is the most AI thing that I have encountered in quite some time. So here's some AI person. That's about the most AI profile picture I think I've ever seen with a generic you know

handle how an NCIX dropout built line is tech tips into YouTube's biggest tech channel. That's pretty debatable but sure, whatever. And basically, basically it's like it's like just like like an ego thing. So they generate these pages, tag the person,

and then presumably try to get you to talk about them. And it's like a lot of awards are like this, where you like, you pay to be considered for an award, and then because no one, like, pays for it, you like win the award, and then you get write-ups about yourself, and it's like, eh.

Anyway, the point is, I was like, okay, what is this? I'll bite. Let's have a look. And basically what I came away from this with is that this is in a nutshell the death of the internet

Luke the end of being able to find reliable information on the internet because this is like snake eating its own tail content generation that is ultimately only designed to feed into LLMs which is going to create more content,

which is going to pull. So let's go through here for fun and find some of the things that are wrong in this article that if you, if you dig into who these guys... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you dig into who these guys are, they are claimable and collectible.

So you'll, you'll, one true page for everyone making something real, claimable, correctable, and built to be found. This is really important. Built to be found by AI. Okay, and then so who the crap were you guys again?

I forget. I looked it up and basically it was like two, it was two people from, I want to say, you know what, I'm not going to say where they were from because I forget. Hold on.

Where are they? So the company is based, in Peterborough, Peterborough or something like that. And yeah, it's two, it's two Pakistani nationals that maybe are related because they have the same last name that are listed as the founders over on. Endole Open, so make of that what you will. Who knows, maybe everything's fake. But let's go ahead and let's have a look at just how many things are wrong here before

we even have to go too far. At the very top, not too bad. negotiated a YouTube channel worth millions for exactly one dollar. Actually, I lied. That's pretty terrible because it wasn't worth millions at the time. Built a media company from the garage with his wife. That's a nice name for you, Luke. No, just kidding.

My wife was involved at the beginning. Okay, I'll give them a pass on this clause. And still gets on camera to handle the hardware himself. Okay, fair enough. The most famous tech reviewer on the internet, not sure about that, is also the one who drops the most gear. Okay, so it's AI generated, but it got, what, like 70%, right? Which I guess is about on par.

Is it 70%? How do you how do this? Okay, here's a fun question. How are you quantifying that? By words, by word, can't look? Is it word, character or sentence? I'm giving, if they have the word, the, and it's in the right spot in a sentence that is mostly correct, then I'm counting that. To me, that isn't a fact. Here, here, hold on, I'm going to. The word the is not a fact. So I would go based on how many facts they stated. Okay, okay, here. All right, we'll work, we'll work on this together. We'll mark it up together. Okay, here, here we go. Okay, okay. So, so, I've got my, I've got my, this is actually a very interesting debate because it was, people talk about error rate and it's a, it's an interesting conversation. So he did negotiate a YouTube channel for exactly one dollar.

I'll argue against myself real quick. Yeah. He could even be wrong. The word he could be wrong. But it isn't. It's right. I did. Right.

But it's something that could be wrong. Okay. So the fact that they got it right could, like it's, It's the whole error. It's a very complicated conversation. So actually, I think I was going your way because it's more than 70% right if we just look at it by word count.

I disagree the most famous reviewer on the internet, but he drops the most gear. So what I give them? I gave them a 70% so maybe they're a little bit closer to 50 if we do it by facts. He negotiated a YouTube channel worth millions for exactly one dollar. If we encapsulate that as one thing,

then it's wrong. Correct. Yes. Built a media company from the garage with his wife. Yes, correct. That is not entirely correct. But it's not,

it's maybe, I would say, I would say that's a solid, like 66% right. I could agree with that. They got two out of the three people. What? Oh, no, Ed,

Ed, too. So 50, at least 50, at least 50% right. We can give them 50% credit for that one. Okay. And I mean, realistically, like, if they're, if they're talking in terms of, like, the, the shareholders, then they're not wrong. Then it's correct. Then it's correct. Still gets on camera to handle hardware himself, totally. Totally correct. Most famous tech reviewer, no. Pretty debatable. I'd say it's probably Marquez, if I had to pick one. I mean, oh, man, there's an argument to be made for Aaron at this point. But it's like, are we talking? lifetime or are we talking active?

Like, what are we talking about? Yeah. Yeah, I think I think in regards to like household name you're still going to be Marquette's. You think so? I think so because he gets in front of more mainstream media stuff.

Anyway. I think so. It's tough. They're both huge. Is also the one who drops the most in the area. I mean, we've got to give them that one. Either way, I think we can agree that there's a lot of ways you can break it down

and it's, I'd say it's more correct than incorrect. But there are already some glaring issues. I think that's a pretty low bar, but yeah. This is pretty good. But I think this is just like taken from Wikipedia probably. This is a BS number that means nothing. Anytime you've ever read like a Forbes thing or like how much the top creators are making or whatever. Remember guys, these are people that I know in a lot of cases.

And also I know myself. What? Yeah. not even close, y'all guessing so don't even worry about that. Yeah, add a couple zeros, idiots. Well, no, I didn't say that. Some of this is, some of this is pretty good.

You know, combined whatever negotiated the IP from NCIX for $1 when he left to start LMG. Yeah, like some of this is pretty good. But this is where things go absolutely crazy. NCIX cameraman. That's wrong on like multiple levels. What?

What are you talking about? Right? That's awesome. I like that. Yeah. That's wrong because there was someone called the cameraman. That was like a nickname for a specific person. And it's wrong because he wasn't a cameraman.

Oh, yeah. It's wrong for both reasons. And it has the classic AI issue of being. like, just right enough to make you, um, to make you feel like it's all got to be right. Like this whole paragraph actually nails it better than almost any other summary I've seen. Sebastian grew up on a hobby farm in Maple Ridge, British Columbia,

the kind of childhood that doesn't suggest YouTube billionaire. Okay, first of all, your very, your own, your own value here. Uh, whoops, but anyway. You just need more zeros. It's not a big of a problem. He was named, he was named, he was, named after Linus Pauling, the only scientist in history to win two unshared Nobel Prizes, which either set an impossible benchmark or a very Canadian one.

Not sure what that last bit means, but whatever. We're pretty close. Diagnosed with ADHD as a child, he channeled it into a restless curiosity about how things work, the kind that gets you hired at a computer retailer. I mean, that's probably fair enough. The hyperfocus on electronics and then, you know, the touch of the tism that made me prefer computers to people, it probably resulted in my future career. But here's where things get a little bit stupid.

You know, all of this kind of, yeah, mostly made sense. October 12th, Linus Media Group Incorporated. January 2013, operations launched from a garage in British Columbia. The co-founder on the business side was his wife, Yvonne Ho. So far so good. A former... Nice. A former Hong Kong actress with approximately 50 TV appearances who pivoted to become CFO of a tech media company.

Really? Good so far. What's the Nicholas Cage meme? You don't say! I didn't know that I married an older lady. Or a TV star. Yeah, or a TV star. So Yvonne Ho, the actress,

is over here totally different person Oh okay I was hoping for a picture so that we could see just Okay Yvon Ho the actress Completely different person Not to be confused with

Ivan Ho my wife Ivanhoe actress Ivanhoe actress Yvonne my wife Yvon my wife And this is like this is a piece of misinformation that only exists on like weird message boards and stuff like that like it's uh where is it getting this stuff and then and then so anyway i don't think we have to

like keep going down this whole down this whole thing but like the fact that this kind of a quote unquote resource is being built with the goal of being AI findable and AI searchable whether they'll achieve that goal or not at that I don't know but I just feel like we're doomed man

how are we going to find how are we how are we going to find accurate information man yeah yeah I'm interested in if it's going to come up. Okay, so I search it up. I get a Reddit thread. I get Wikipedia.

Another random junk. I mean, it's not surfacing that high on Google. So maybe they're not succeeding in that part. This is amazing. Ados posted this in in the chat. How to confuse machine learning. This is so cursed. Thanks. I hate it. that's brutal all right any here um all right well we can we can move on I just I came across that and I was just like

oh my gosh we're doomed like we're so we're so done because that is for a lot of people that is actually canon that I am married to a Hong Kong actress who is I think like 10 or 15 years my senior uh huh that's a good move

yeah yeah it was really helpful to leverage her experience in show business. Yeah, she was born in 1974, so she's 12 years older than me. And also, I don't think, has ever lived in Canada. So that's, it's a long distance, long distance relationship. There's challenges, but we make it work, you know. Hey, oh, oh, I never talked about the Mac app. Okay, this is so cool.

What cable is a free Mac app that lets you figure out what your mystery USBC cable is. are. You just plug one into your Mac and it shows you things like charging limits, data speeds, and display support. Unfortunately, the app's creator, Darrell Morley, told the Verge that he doesn't plan to make a Windows version because, quote, Windows APIs don't expose what cable needs, but I just thought that this was super cool and I just wanted to highlight it for Mac people so that they could just like, see this. Look at this. How great is this? Port connected, carrying both data and display. Device rents at 10 gigabit per second. Videos going through an HTML adapter. Here's all this like really, whoopsie doodles.

Here's all the, damn it. Here's all this really. That's for nerds, but about USB cables. Yeah. So then if you, you know, don't have true spec cables or you have a bunch of cables already, then you can go through, find out what their capabilities are, and label everything. Freaking awesome. I love it. That was it. That was all. I just wanted to talk about that. And I believe the free version is free. And you can unlock advanced diagnostics with what cable pro?

Oh, this is cool. I wonder what advanced diagnostics means in the place. Your monitor is stuck at 30 hertz. The docks charging at half speed. Pro tells you which part is lying. Which part of the link is underperforming. And apparently Mac reports all of this in like a plain text, easy to read fashion that that he was able to turn into this really useful little application.

Love it. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, super cool. Someone tried to roast you in chat, said, I believe the free version is free. Is great analysis, Linus, thanks. Yeah, it's funny. It sometimes is great analysis, though, because not everything labeled it's free actually really is.

Yeah. Maybe it ends up being free for a time. Or it's free, but there's micro-transactions. Yeah, it's free to download, but if you want to have any, like go go try and find a data recovery software or like a partition manager that's free that actually does anything before you put in a credit card is the is the expression free as in beer i think that's kind of like i've heard that before i haven't heard that before what does that mean that's basically what you're saying is like it's free as it and as it's free which mean it really is free as in beer

would be like the data recovery software where it's kind of like you know there's a catch like you're You know. It's like a timeshare. I actually never took it that way. Interesting. Yeah. I might be wrong. That's kind of how I know it.

I think I just interpreted it. So I don't know that I'm right either. But the way I've interpreted it was usually like, you know, like if you get your friends to come help you move, you provide free beer. It's got free beer, of course. No, you're moving a couch up 15 flights of stairs. It's free beer. Yeah. You want to come over and have some beers and pizza?

And they're like, yeah. And like, also I need you. Labor. Right. Yeah. Yeah, maybe that's right, but yeah. I don't know. I'm not sure.

One press the button. One plus. No longer making phones for North America and the EU. See you later, Markets. Wow. One Plus and parent company, Opo, confirmed the brand will stop launching new phones in those locations. This will end a run that began in 2014.

with the One Plus One. Wow. Existing owners won't be cut off right away since Oppos says warranty, afterscale support, and software updates are all guaranteed. But over the coming months, One Plus ones will drop their Oxygen OS software for Oppos color OS, starting with the Android 17 update. Yeah, but why are they leaving though?

One Plus framed this as a global strategy adjustment, but ours technica is trying... Tying. Tying the retreat to the memory, crunch with RAM alone now accounting for more than a quarter of the phone's billed materials. And I suspect if you're not selling in at least the states, you might be able to use Chinese RAM. Yeah, even a dude, apparently people are lined up out the door for CXMT memory at this point. Like it's any supply that they can build is getting immediately absorbed.

I think it was Apple's asking for an exemption to use it for global devices and like things are things are getting things are getting crazy it is very interesting with SK Hynex and Samsung making so much money on memory right now because it might kind of feels like end micron yeah it kind of feels like they're um they're almost inviting they're almost inviting their own demise here like there's a known famine coming and they're just sitting gorging them themselves. Interesting. Yeah, I think that the ultimate winners are not going to be them, but that's not financial advice. And I have no idea how long you'll have to stay solvent in order for the market to become rational.

Memory is still a commodity, even if today it's an expensive commodity. this is going to get interesting at some point. Yeah, Scrappy D.P. They're inviting competition. And the competition was like waiting in the wings and freaking ready. They're not just inviting it, man. Anytime there's that much money involved,

someone will see it and go, hey, investing in chasing this unicorn is worth it and they'll try. And they like, they cooked like steak and garlic bread and potatoes and then they put a fan that blew out the window and they put a big glowing sign and they're like, there's also free money in here and everything else you ever wanted. And all you have to do is just do the thing you're already doing. And we'll completely, honestly, get out of your way and leave the house and you can just

have the house as well. That feels honestly like, I don't even think I'm exaggerating. By the way, my wife's. great cook. Yeah. You'll like her. Like just... Yeah.

It's wild. I've personally never seen something like this. And I mean, there's a great book. I recommend it to Mr. Brandon Lee recently. I don't remember the name of it. Dan Siegel recommended it to me. But it's on how like Apple basically

sold you know, American IP, how to make modern electronics and stuff to China. They exported making phones and stuff there and then also protected Chinese interests for years by lobbying to the American government so they could keep making all of their stuff there and then basically teaching them how to make all this stuff. And it's a very, it's a very interesting

like for over a decade, Apple was like, yeah, come on, make sure you get better at making all of these things and having all of these skills and production lines and everything all over there. Is it just called Apple and China? Yeah, I don't know. It's a fascinating book, but I mean, it's been not just asked for, it's been begged. When's the sequel? When's the sequel about Tesla? Yeah. No, seriously, though. And I mean, we talked about this recently, like the Chinese model where companies over there have to be predominantly owned by Chinese companies. And like, if you want to sell there, you have to produce there, and you have to basically teach them how to do it. It's all, it's fascinating, man.

Yeah. There's this, it's a quote. I got it from something within the last few weeks. I don't know if it was an audiobook or a podcast or a YouTube video or what, but it was from something. But chaos is a ladder. And it's just been in my head a lot. lately. Because you see what's happening right now. Like there is more chaos than I have personally

experienced in my lifetime right now, concentrated in the right now. Wars all over the planet, very active. Are you sure you not just more aware of it? I don't think so. I think, I think when has there been more sustained economic chaos than now in our lifetimes? I mean, 2008 was a pretty wild ride. The thing was huge. Millennials really did. Millennials really did get to ride the roller coaster, man. Oh, yeah, yeah.

But I feel like 2008 was very concentrated. The right now seems persistent. The right now seems like a new future. Remember, though, that we were in Canada for the 2008 financial crisis, and it was a much softer blow here. Like, the U.S. got shrecked during the 2008. crisis, whereas we like, especially in Vancouver, we barely even saw our property values dip. Like, it was totally different game.

It was a massive, massive hit, and then it was growing out of that hit, right? Yeah, it was a relatively short-term hit, whereas like, COVID plus a particularly tumultuous period in American politics, which... So I'm not talking, this is the most. chaotic moment. We also lived through 9-11. Sure. I'm talking this is the most chaotic, like large period of time. And I could be wrong. It just kind of feels like it that way. It might be recency bias. It might be a lot of it. Yeah. I wonder if every generation feels that way. I mean, like, from my understanding, the period around like the Vietnam War was like,

no, in my lifetime. Oh, in your lifetime. In my lifetime. In my lifetime. There's way, way more chaotic things in history. I mean, didn't the, didn't the Berlin Wall fall within our lifetime? or no, that might only be me. When did the Berlin Wall fall? 1989. So yeah, I don't think you were born yet. I was. Nope. Okay, so in your lifetime, I'm trying to think, man, most chaos in your life. Yeah, probably then. There's war all over the place right now. There's extreme instability geopolitically. I mean, we've got, we've got countries talking about taking over other countries like constantly right now. And both of the really big ones are doing so.

remember having this conversation with you like a while back like years ago on Wancho where I came across a risk map like a risk game board that my friend Tyson had in high school and it

had like Persia on it or something or like the Ottoman Empire or something and I was like what the fuck like the countries change because post World War II that's like not a thing. It's like illegal, you know? And it occurred to me,

I think this must have been around the time that Russia annexed Crimea. It occurred to me that like, that was all just kind of not normal. That constant conquest and war was not a thing. Like this period of relative global stability

that our generation enjoyed for a while was not the normal. And it almost feels like, although you and I might describe what's happening now as chaos, it almost feels like a return to how it like, you know,

really worked for a really long time. Like you look at, you look at, you know, what happened in the lifetime of someone like a Napoleon, right? Like how,

you know, within one, and remember, people didn't live that long. I mean, the like inventor of total war is maybe not, maybe not the fairest example.

but yeah, I agree. Within one short French guy's lifetime that were like multiple campaigns that were attempts to take over the known world, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The fact that we've made it to, you know,

almost 40 here and what, you're 35, 36? I can never remember how many years younger you are. Somewhere in that range. I'm 90. Okay, yeah. So four years younger than me. So the fact that, that like

we've made it this far and there hasn't been like a gigantic land war in Europe um it is kind of insane to be clear there is a land war in Europe right now but the fact we made it this far and there wasn't one was kind of wild

and I don't think dude I don't think it's ever going back I don't see a path to it right now man we're getting way off like tech topics right now. How did we even get here? What were we talking about?

One plus. Hell yeah. Oh, right, because of sanctions and whatever else. I don't know. I could see a future where we get away from this. Could you? Will the middle powers unite? Will that actually work?

The middle powers might unite. I think there's, I mean, there's been a lot of talk about like China taking. Taiwan, but I've been looking into that more recently and how a lot of the people on the mainland feel about that. And it's actually quite nuanced where a lot of the people of the mainland do want Taiwan back, but they don't want Taiwan back with bombs, which is interesting. Because with my previously even more external and ignorant position than I now have, which is highly external. and highly ignorant. It felt like they were just trying to find an excuse to just roll the tanks in.

But it feels like they want to do it politically. Here's my problem. They might, they might, you know, cloak and dagger politically. Here's my problem with that. Xi Jinping is 73. They might want to get it before he goes away. It's the same thing as Putin. But then that's the other thing.

You said, I don't know if we'll go back. Xi Jinping, old, Putin, old, Trump, old. there may be an expiry date on some of these problems. Okay, let's start with Russia. You know, Russia has been Russia since long before Putin was involved. Russia be doing Russia things. I think all bets are off as far as bad as bad. I do think there could be a lot of pressure, though, if, say, Putin did pass away for someone coming in to economically turn that place around by not.

doing the stuff that they're currently. But the most Russia thing ever would be for someone to promise to economically turn Russia around. Or more people at the wall anyway? And then support the oligarchy. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So, uh, sure. Hey, I can be hopeful.

China, China, I have no idea. China, I don't understand the history well enough to make any kind of useful prediction. The only thing for me is, Xi Jinping is 73. He has, from my understanding, said pretty clearly that his plan is to reunify China.

That he will do it. And so that gives us not a lot of time. Maybe a bit of a timeline, yeah. Yeah, I just, I don't know. I don't give up hope that people might be tired of the bad and bring in some good.

It does seem to be that things have to get really, really, really, really bad before that happens. So we'll see what that is. Yeah. Or we won't. I mean, there's stuff happens like every week it feels like that would have qualified as really, really, really, really bad within our lifetimes. I mean, I don't know if you, I don't know if you saw this, but the plan for truth

social is to sell API access to the banks to get market moving truth social tweets early than they are posted publicly through the... Yeah, like that should be, like, administration ending... That's just open, blatant fraud. Well, it's insider trading. More so than all of the other open blatant fraud. Well, corruption.

I don't know if it's specifically fraud, but it's certainly corruption. Is insider trading fraud? It's certainly insider trading. Probably, I'm probably using the word incorrectly. Oh, no. insider trading is securities fraud. Okay, there you go then.

It's literally openly selling market moving information and nobody it's been remarkable watching the transition that has taken place

in my lifetime like I'm trying to imagine if Obama did this instead of wore a beige suit, for instance, what the reaction might have been. It's, yeah, it's remarkable. I remember Bill Clinton's the work that was going on under his desk.

Like, I think that would last for a day or two right now. I don't even know if it would. I mean... Or a couple hours. Yeah, maybe I don't even know if it would register I mean remember this is the grab them by the pussy candidate Right like it's

It wouldn't even be it wouldn't even be surprising At this point Hold, want to see something Disheartening Yeah All right Here I got this for you I got this for you Hold on hold on hold on

Okay we're gonna go US We're going to go Past 5 years Um And we're going to go like this Here we go Guess what people forgot about already

I can't Through my screen I can't see this I know you're supposed to guess Oh Epstein You better believe it Yeah Like okay

I remember when people didn't like pedophiles I do too I remember it fondly Yeah It was pretty cool That was a good time you know It was a pretty good time That was a pretty good time Like I remember when an affair with a grown ass

Woman was a scandal Yeah Um Yeah Anyway Microsoft is testing a copi pilot feature called PC Insights that can answer questions by reading your CPU RAM, GPU, and storage. It's spotted by Windows latest and it lets the AI tell you things like, why is my PC slow?

Or what GPU do I have? Or do I have room for a 100 gigabyte game? And then it taps Windows APIs to check usage along with storage, battery info, antivirus status, connected devices like printers or USB drives, it is opt-in, requires permission each time, and it can't read the contents of your files unless you specifically allow it. It is, however. Yeah, okay.

So that was a W. Are you ready for the L side? It's worth pointing out that co-pilot for Windows now ships as a standalone spinoff of the edge browser and can eat close to one gigabyte of RAM while sitting completely idle, regularly showing up among the top memory users and task manager.

so it can tell you why you're out of memory but the answer might be it was me it would be really funny if you could tell it like oh can you solve the problem with why I have no memory left and it just closes itself that would be awesome

this is rolling out slowly in the US only with no timeline for a wider release and lands right as Microsoft is separately promising to cut Windows 11's base line memory usage. Honestly, as long as it's opt-in specifically and has the option to uninstall it, if it has both of those things, sounds great. Like, to be clear, I'm not actually hating on this.

I think it's pretty cool. But the fact that- If this was default all the time and it's reporting back to Microsoft because, of course it is and it's being tied to your whatever, the GDID, whatever thing, blah, blah, blah, blah. it's going to blow and I'm going to be pissed off but opt in people can make their own choices by the way just the last follow-on point

to our discussion of the Epstein files Luke I'm not feeling suicidal are you no okay I'm chilling I would ask Dan but I'm afraid of the answer what maybe I'm feeling murderous oh there you go

see you never know what he's going to say Luke he's right though I see. He might have trolley answers. I was like, what do you mean? New York has banned new hyperscale data centers for one and one year. They became the first U.S. state to hit pause on new hyperscale data centers with Governor Kathy Hochel signing an executive order that blocks state environmental permits for up to a year. It applies to any campus that draws 50 million watts or more, which for a modern data center actually

isn't that much, since all the big flagship ones are running into the hundreds of megawatts or even gigawatts. Projects that are already approved do keep going. This only hits new ones. The reason comes down to pushback on the AI building boom. People are worried about rising utility bills, strained power grids, and the enormous amount of water that these places use for, okay, this says for cooling, but that's not actually all of it. A lot of the water is actually in the construction process. But yes, they can use a lot of the water. They can use a lot for cooling, especially if they use evaporative cooling, but not all of them do.

There is a nuanced conversation around the water usage, so I want to make sure that we are properly representing that a lot of them do use a butt ton of water, and a lot of them, once they're running, actually use very little. Anyway, during the pause, the state is going to write up a

proper regulatory framework, and Hocel is also pushing to make data centers either supply their own power or pay more for it, so regular customers aren't stuck covering the cost. Okay. Yeah. This is one that it blows my mind is not the default. Okay. So, Luke, I don't, I don't know if I've, I don't,

have I talked to you about when I tried to get into, like, crypto mining at some point? Yeah, okay. So I was, I don't know if you talk about it super publicly. I was blown away. Like, when I was looking into it, I was blown away that it is cheaper. to get power to an industrial property. Cheaper. Literally.

It's a business subsidy. Nothing else in life is cheaper for the business version. Oh, it's pronounced Hokel. Sorry, guys. I don't know American names. What? Business laptop. More expensive.

Business Windows. More expensive. Business camera. More expensive. Business electricity. That's cheap. All the things you listed before electricity were not from the government, though. Okay, fine.

Let me think. Business land, not cheaper. Business permit, not cheaper. There. Okay? Also from government. The land from the government? My taxes sure are.

property taxes i don't think those are cheaper okay what's going on here cheaper and also a tax claim yeah it gets weird yeah business tv not cheaper says et zyme or at zelm whatever that is i know a lot of people in bc that do crypto mining basically just scam farm power

oh that makes sense that's even cheaper than industrial isn't it i think so i'm not certain is crypto mining still a thing a lot of people I shouldn't say a lot some people especially that have more modern cards for mining have just pivoted to AI training

AI training but is there like crowd you rented out crowd AI training really shut up you're now mining Pearl what is Pearl Curious Bread Man Pearl mining

GPU is this GPU? There's a bunch of these. Proof of useful work for AI compute, no way. Of course there's something. Instead of like crypto mining where you can just run it for like however long you want, usually you rent out like a block of time

because if you wanted to do something like training or a big working task you can't have it just, you know, be taken from a random pool. It needs to actually complete the job. Right. So it's a little bit different. And now there's a little bit more pressure on like, you know, do you have a UPS? Do you have a backup

generator? Do you have whatever to make sure that this person's task actually completes? Oh, interesting. And there's like reputations tied to things and it's funky, yeah. Curious Brad says the Pearl Crypto is just doing useless AI inference matrix. It's not actually useful AI training work. There's a paper exposing Pearl just doing random math. for no reason. Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I maybe... The either of us name Pearl? No, no, no. I did. Because I was... Because someone mentioned it in chat. Yeah, no, it was Curious Bread, who is posting that now that flagged Pearl to us. Okay.

Trey's interesting. People are always going to be looking for something to do with all of the extra GPUs they have, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I also know there's like... Some people, even independent miners that have like pretty solid clusters of GPUs are doing like individual contracts with certain companies and stuff. Really?

Companies that want a like this thing we've been talking about of like a siloed like local LLF. But they don't necessarily have the know-how or access to the hardware or. whatever else. Man, do you remember, Luke, when I found that, that property in, like, White Rock that was zoned data center? And I was like, oh, we should buy it and build, like, a tiny data center. That would have actually been, that would have actually been, like,

a banger business move. That's the extra zeros you needed, man. You would have made it. It might have been fun, too, though, actually. Like, building a, I wouldn't have wanted to do anything large scale, but building like a small data center. I feel like people are so desperate for compute these days that they would rent anything anyway.

So you could be a small player and probably still be functional. No key says we bought a data center might be the next April fools. Nice. I mean, maybe, like just to be transparent with people, flow plane staring down the barrel of a lot of price increases

in regards to our infrastructure costs. So hear me out. We move it on. prem. Didn't I already pitch this to you? Did you? I mean, I'm down. So, I mean, AJ's been doing

Let's fucking go. There's a potential plan where our, have we named our ISP publicly? Probably. I think so, yeah. I tell. Yeah, okay. So I tell has apparently some like

fiber that's basically direct from us into Vancouver into a co-location database. So, no, that's like what we pay for. Like we have, so that's why our internet connection is so expensive. It's because we effectively, not quite, but effectively because of the provisioning, it is an unshared link, effectively. Yeah.

So that link. So we are 10 gig. Connects with a co-location data center that we could put servers into. Yes. So we are looking at, and this isn't even like, I'm not, to be clear, I'm not mad at OVH. Yeah, OVH is great. go into this, but OVH's prices are being postured to, like, erupt. And because of normal business things, just to be completely honest, the cost of new hardware

for them is absolutely skyrocketing. And there are big clients wanting to spend lots of money that want to come in. So this is normal business stuff. But we're looking at what could happen. We don't know that it's going to happen yet. OVH has not said this is going to happen to us or anything, but we're looking at what could happen. and going like, okay, well, we're closed.

So trying to figure out how we can be not closed. And one of the ways we might be able to be not closed is to put something on Prem at Vanix. Yeah. That'd be kind of cool, actually. And AJ started looking through a lot of our hardware. And apparently some of these servers were just inventoried as the name of the server without all of the individual details of the hardware. so there's actually been a ton of hardware that's been like found and it's becoming much more real

I'm down as a possibility there are major problems that I need to talk to you about we would need like a like a proper like diesel generator like we'd need a proper backup we'd need well it would be at the colo center oh so you wouldn't put anything here I thought you meant like Like take advantage of the 10 gig pipe. I think that's been mixed. It might end up being a three-tier system. Okay. Some's at the Kolo Center.

Some's at LMG. I think we'd leave some at OVH. Yeah. Yes. So the main thing that we would want from OVH is probably their public cloud. So the idea would be that we could spill over to resources that are at LMG, but then if we need to spill over even more, we would spill over into scalable stuff at OVH. Yeah.

And that, you know, that's going to be expensive. But if we're still minimize the use, though. Yeah, we're minimizing the use. And if we're spilling over that much, hopefully it's something good that's happening. And then it's okay. And we'll just scale up the stuff we have and it'll be all right. And that'll just be a strong indicator to like, hey, up your hardware.

Yeah. But yeah, there are problems we should chat about off camera. But there's things. But it's a plan. Basically, you know, it's trying to. trying to make opportunity out of the bad. We just have to not throw a USB drive at it and then everything's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's crazy. You know, I mean, our server rooms on-prem are pretty okay. They're actually less trash than they used to be. The one here in the studio sucks, it's just really hard to work in. But the one over at Labs, I think really all I would, All I would want to do with that one is I would want to double up the cooling so that if one of them fails, you still have cooling. And then the other thing that I would want to do there is we lose power here so much. And sometimes for like an hour, five hours at a time is we would need to have like on-site diesel generation backup.

But then we might not because if the primary hard one, is at the Kolo, and we still have this billover at OVH, is it more economically reasonable to buffer LMG that much and make it that resilient? Or should we just rely on this bill over to OVH? And then you have to do a calculation of like, how often do we expect the Kolo to go down? The Kolo is not as reliable as OVH is. Yeah. But then it's pretty good. You've also got to factor in the economics that are unique to us. where anything that we build to change our infrastructure as content, baby. Like if you...

It's a surprisingly complicated question that AJ's working on. So if you come to me and you say, hey, I want to buy a $30,000 diesel generator. I tell you that you can fuck right off. And then if you tell me, hey, I need a $30,000 diesel generator. And we're going to do a two-part video series. And, oh, by the way, we've got a great sponsor who wants to come in and sponsor. answer it for us. I'm like, let's fucking go. Like, it's a completely different... We're going to turn off the mains power and see if anyone in the building can notice for an hour.

Yeah. And that'll be like the challenge of the video. That's a, that's banger content, dude. Yeah. Like, that's so cool. Yeah. But there are, there are more questions than that, but we'll get into. It's a longer conversation. It's a little, little dead conversation for Wanshow. Okay. It gets less interesting to video ideas. Hear me out. But hear me out. hear me out for the backup power generation we used the fire truck

that we still haven't managed to sell so we permanently we permanently wire the fire truck into the building he loves it did you guys ever read that book he loves it the old steam the old steam digger

that like dug in the big skyscraper and then when it couldn't get out of the hole they like turned it into the steam boiler and it powered the building No way. That's basically what... That's what we're talking about. That's what we're talking about.

That's awesome. Let's go. That is kind of sick. I don't know how I feel about losing all that parking permanently. On the roof? This man. Are you stupid? We'd have to reinforce the roof again.

We already did. The coolest building. This is this huge fire truck on the roof. He was like, why? I mean, we could gut it and shell it. No, yeah, it's worth it. No, you should definitely make it that you could climb up a ladder to the roof and then go into a fully functioning fire truck.

No, we have that roof, that roof top thing. It could open up into the middle of the fire truck. And so you go up into the fire truck on the roof. And then to get on the roof, you have to exit the fire truck. Oh, Lordy. Anyway, yeah, I fully support. moving more on prem. Also, on top of prim.

Also, I have no idea how viable it would be, but you know, you know, Hezner, right? We've done some sponsor spots for them. How much do you know about them? No, I mean, I'm aware of them. I don't actually know like a ton. Okay. I was in Germany this week. I don't know if you know that. Yep. I often don't know where the heck you are, but I did know about that trip. just because we were talking about the 1080. Yeah. So I was in Germany and I went to see Hetzner's flagship location in, oh, God, I'm going to butcher this.

Hetzner, D.C. location. Falkenstein. Falkenstein. No, Falkenstein. Sick. Falkenstein. Falkenstein. So I was in absolutely but-fuck-now-where-Germany this week.

week, checking out the Hetzner Data Center. And as I toured the place, I didn't actually say this in the video, I don't know if it would have come across the right way to them, but as I toured the place, the one thought that I could not get out of my mind was, this feels like how LTT would build a data center. So, no, no, but I mean that in the best possible way. So what, yeah, what does that mean? Okay, okay. So you know how most people would build a data center with 19 inch racks and probably Dell's or HP servers, right?

Sure. Okay, well, they thought, why would I buy a 19 inch rack from a 19 inch rack supplier who needs to make money for building 19 inch racks when instead I could buy four posts and sheet metal? Yeah. Okay, hold on. Yeah, okay, that's cool. Hold on.

It gets better. Why would I use loud, obnoxious 40mm, shrieking fans on like super skinny, on super skinny builds, when instead I could do like a two and a half U so that I could just put a standard 80 or 92 millimeter fan on the back of it, pull that air from the cold aisle directly through the CPU heat sink, and just make the racks taller.

Why would I use enterprise hardware when I could just put Risen 3,600s in the rack, and people can rent a bare metal Risen 3,600? In fact, it's up to them if they even want ECC memory. I just let them choose. Get this, get this, the cooling, the cooling for the entire building. So I asked this right when I came in. So the building, instead of being square with a flat top roof,

is like steeply inclined. So it goes to a high point on one side. And the reason for that is that they actually have that entire end of the top of the building open to the air. And the way they get away with this is they have forced air intake that goes down into the raised floor

in the bottom of the raised floor. That's chilled. That comes up into your cold aisle, which exhausts out into your, I'll call it a warm aisle because it's not that hot. And then that heat naturally through convection makes its way to the top of the building.

It goes right out. And it farts it out. Is how much, like, is that amount of force of that air able to keep, like, rain out? Yes. How does that work? Keeps out the rain, keeps out the snow. It gets better.

Like, so by having the building shaped like that, about, they say about four to five days out of the year, They have to turn on the evaporative coolers, but those sit in the lee of the building. They sit under the high side, and they're on the north side so that the sun never hits them. It's just like they designed their own HVAC systems

because, I don't know, they could, because buying it from someone else would have been expensive. Like, it's just the whole thing, it was the most, it was the most LTE, That's cool. Data Center that I've ever seen and it just made me happy touring it. It's going to be a really great video, you guys. I hope you enjoy the heck out of it.

I had a ton of fun checking out their data center. That's sweet. Oh yeah, here's a good shot of the shape of the buildings. Oh, yeah, okay. So instead of doing crazy things like building their data centers in like a densely populated metropolitan area and then building them up, they just built it in the absolute farmland, country-ass countryside,

and they're just like, yeah, land is cheap, so we just put up these structures next to each other, and any time we need another one, we just build another one. It's honestly the most based approach to data center building that I've ever seen. It's not necessarily the most cutting edge. They're doing almost nothing with multi-GPU servers yet.

so you know there's a lot of customers that are going to look at this and go yeah that doesn't make sense for me but in terms of just bare metal hosting you can and you can get an epic server if you want or a zion or whatever they'll they'll put anything in your shelf right and i just i don't know i think it's i think it's really cool uh so they i don't know they might be worth us worth us looking at because the rates looked really reasonable when i was checking them out yeah so if we needed something in europe then that may be a way to go. Like the co-location at Vanix, it would have the challenge

of maybe not being as reliable as something like an OVH. I mean, to be clear, they have redundant power. They have redundant cooling. Like, it doesn't seem... We've had actually, like, I don't know. I want to get way too into stuff.

But yeah, it'll be, it'll be... If it happens, which I think it's pretty likely, because costs everywhere, not just OVH, everywhere, are projected to, like, in a lot of cases, just double when contract renews this year.

It's likely we're going to have to be pulling stuff in-house. And it's also, interestingly, likely a de-spone of places will need to in order to keep costs reasonable. Because, you know, just because there's a lot of AI money floating around does not mean that a lot of companies have anything to do with that at all. Yeah. And if their cost of sales in regards to their infrastructure is just doubling, out of nowhere.

That's going to hurt some people. So we'll see how it goes. All right. Cool. Sounds like a business meeting later that we can continue not on WAN Show. People love it when we do business meeting on WAN show, though. That's true.

I think they do. I actually haven't checked how viewership is tracking. People used to like it when we did business meeting on WAN show. Hey, I thought this was another fun one for you. On Saturday, Japan Space Agency, Jaxa, successfully launched and landed its experiment. RVX rocket in the country's first ever reusable rocket test flight.

I assume you saw this. Yeah. The flight was pretty short, with the rocket rising about 11 meters, moving 16 meters sideways, and then touching back down in under a minute. The goal is a cheaper, reusable successor to Japan's current single-use H3 rocket. Jacks says co-developing the RVX with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and is separately working on reusable rockets with France and Germany. Jack's next test flight is aiming for a much higher 100 meters.

discussion question. Do you think government agencies like Jackson will be able to catch up with the likes of Blue Origin and SpaceX? I mean, I think this is... Speaking of Blue Origin and SpaceX, check that link out. Oh. Chinese engineers using wires to perfectly catch rocket booster. Oh, hello. Oh, that's actually like super smart. Yep. But hey, $3 trillion company, right? I mean, this is one of those things. It's almost like what we were talking. about earlier with the memory memory manufacturers it's like when you when you put a big enough target on yourself don't be surprised when everybody takes a shot well and it's like it's interesting there's there's some questions on like did Elon know and is that why they push for IPO when they did um who knows i have no idea um the concept actually just kind of makes a lot of sense apparently

it had been like theorized by a variety of people in the past because it's like it's like almost 3D printer logic yeah like it kind of does actually make a lot of sense if you go as far as to think of catching a freaking rocket which is crazy yeah at all once you go that far you think about how would i do this huge chopsticks coming in actually feels kind of crazier than wires on like effectively 3D printer rails. Yeah, that also allows you to do it at sea instead of on land, which there are benefits to doing it on land because you could theoretically reuse that rocket faster.

It's in place, other good things about it. But this is a potentially very cheap route and failures should also be cheaper. blobbidi bleep bloop. Bedhead says lull Chinese using string Americans using chopsticks. Oh my God, guys. I was not...

Okay. You need to know like with the stuff that's going on. The SpaceX thing is called chopsticks. Anyways, whatever. Way to go, Lou. Yeah, it's, there's, I mean, there's a lot of interesting stuff

happening in space. I was talking to someone at OpenSoss last night who's in a hobby rocketry club in BC, which... Go figure, all right. I didn't even know there, like, was any, so that's interesting. And he was talking about how their school is planning on defunding their hobby rocketry club. And the thing that was interesting to them was they were saying, you know, I'm getting one side of

the story or whatever, but they were saying that, and hopefully I'm quoting this all correctly, but they were saying that they were willing to fund themselves. And the school was like, no. And that seems crazy to me because I'm going to do that thing again where I say at any point in time of my life. But it feels like space stuff is getting so extremely active right now, including globally. I mean, did you see this wasn't in the dock, but did you see the leak slash report slash investigation, whatever you want to call it, that apparently since 2003, the Chinese and Russians have been working on a way to, to disable or worst-case scenario, destroy Starlink?

I mean, I'm not surprised. No, it makes sense. If you look at what's happening in Ukraine, it's like one of the most important, you know, accessories to war in that arena at all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, crazy.

Why would they defund that, like my local robotics club that I did in school, just not support by the school either, which is crazy? Yeah, I don't know. It's just the thing that stood out to me was specifically that they've like had it for a while and they want to defund it now of all times. And I'm just like, man, what are you doing? Look at the stock market. Look at whatever. What are you?

You're a school. You're supposed to be preparing people for like the jobs they might get into. This is highly applicable. Like what are you doing? It seems like such a weird time to do that. I don't know. Maybe the school's on hard times or something, but then at least let the people involved. self-fund and still like support it as a as a thing in the school.

I don't know, whatever. It's very frustrating. Space race is back, baby. Space race is back. I mean, China and the U.S. have both proposed dates for when they're going to be boots on the ground on Mars again. The states is currently falling behind their timelines. China is pushing. It's, it's interesting to me because neither of the countries seem to want to like,

really like declare it or acknowledge it. But we are absolutely in a space race right now. Like it is no question. It is absolutely fully active. It's too bad. Only one of the competitors is increasing funding for space. And the other one is decreasing it, which is. Yeah.

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I'll do that next week Okay Boop Boop There we go Solid I was unprepared Let's do this one as well

I just have a couple for you Actually it's more than it was earlier Wow look at that Hello com 1, com 2 and com 3 Luke on a past WAN show you said you were considering using Kaggie Kagi. Do you have any updates?

Kagi. Kagi? I was right the first time. Kagi. I have dabbled with it, honestly. I've been not actually searching an incredible amount over the last bit. And I have it set up at home. I don't have it set up on this laptop. But I have used it a little bit. I've also used it. I've been poking around. I've been trying something recently called Waterfox.

Waterfox recently switched to some open source, something search that I've had some success with. I feel like I might end up right now going the Coggy direction. It does kind of hurt my brain paying for search, but at the same time, not paying for search, kind of hurts my brain a little bit. because again the whole like if you're not paying are you the product I don't know if there's other alternatives outside of Kagi Kagi was just recommended to me by I don't know if he wants the fact that he recommended it public

so I'll just say a buddy so I've been enjoying it so far I don't have a ton of experience with it it's not duck dot go Waterfox has been using something else I got a notification saying like oh we're going to start using this whatever search engine and it's actually been pretty good inside of there. But I have personally found like the best quality search, and this is not a comprehensive review of all the different search engines,

whatever, relax. Quant, that's it. Yeah, Q-W-A-N-T, quant. That's the one that Waterfox has switched to. Quant search. And to be clear, I know nothing about this. search engine the values you is a user not a product oh ray cool um okay i need to look up whoa okay well it managed to it managed to find one of the oh my god this roundup commercial again

f's sakes it managed to find the 10 year ago one but not the 12 year ago one and not the three year ago one that's better than YouTube search. So quant, I looked up how does Quant make money. It's in their FAQ. Quant is a free search engine open to anyone. Our main source of revenues comes from ads displayed in Quant result pages. Therefore, every ad that Quant displays fully adheres to the values we defend and our quality standards, blah, blah, blah. News quant, no personal information whatsoever is neither captured or transmitted to advertisers in details.

no third-party cookies, no trackers, no behavioral targeting, et cetera. So I suspect a lot of people watching this might align with Quant faster than they would align with current Google Search. And I've actually had pretty good luck with the results from Quant. I'm kind of on the side of I've been actually enjoying Koggi because of the lack of those ads. It's pretty nice. I've been a YouTube premium user for a long time.

I was trying to watch something with somebody the other day, and we were skipping through a few YouTube videos, and it was on their phone, and they did not have YouTube premium, and I was like, I don't know how you survive. Like, watching tons of ads all the time drives me freaking insane. And I think I'm just really not down with the amount of ads that are everywhere. and if I can pay YouTube premium to have no interruptions, maybe I'll do that.

If I can pay for Koggi and not get ads in my search results, maybe I'll do that. Quant actually did pretty well. I've been evaluating that search result. So this is the one from 10 years ago. This is returning our channel, which is pretty reasonable for a search that starts with the channel name. This is the forum thread for the one from three years ago.

this is another page of that same thread reasonable enough here's watch Plex TV season 2016 episode 64 I didn't even know this was a thing like I know Colton was working on like free ad supported what is it fast so free ad supported television I didn't even know this was a thing

but apparently that's a thing anyway it found that and then here it found a Reddit thread that got the one from 12 years ago so it managed in the first six or so results to surface every video in some way about low end GPUs suck from LTT whereas I was really struggling earlier

with Google and with YouTube search again this is not a comprehensive thing on search engines no I don't know quant just because I happened to install Waterfox and Waterfox was like, hey, we're using Quant. And I was like, what the heck is quant? And then I did a few searches and I was like, hey, Quant is pretty good. Right now, I would rank

Quant above Google Search. Just by default and Quant is free. So, I mean, I would just do that automatically. And then if you want to be a super premium boy, maybe you go the Kogi search direction

and pay and then just not have any of the ads. which I'm currently leaning towards. I think it seems pretty sweet. But Quant, you know, and you never know how long these things will last. Seems to be a cycle. Yeah.

You know, Duck, Duck Go is the thing for years. And then I don't know necessarily. Someone asked in chat, like, why doesn't Duck, Doe get recommended as much these days? I don't remember what happened. I feel like we talked about it on Wancho like a hot minute ago. But, Yeah, is they're just not recommended as much.

I don't know what it was. Yeah, quant.com. Good stuff. Okay. More? Yes, Dan. Hello, sir, Dan, Lott and Co. You are passionate about your jobs.

What keeps you engaged in coming back for the long days? Thanks for the cables and threads. I feel like I've answered this enough times. I can let you guys go. there's a there's an old meme i don't want peace i want problems um well we got those i think that's part of it i i don't want to just sit at home and do nothing

um i want to work on stuff i want to try to make things better um and also the people i really like my teams i like i like working with the people i work with and I would like to try to keep working with them best I can. And then in order to do that, you need to try to create an environment that is, you know, cohesive with that. So, yeah, I don't know. I think I, you know, there's been topics of conversation with my parents recently about what, like, what is retiring look like? And I've had this question to myself for a long time, not that I'm anywhere close. But like, what would I want my retirement to look like?

and there's a bunch of different versions of it. One that I really like is like an inverse week. And I don't remember whose idea this was, I think it was my mom's, but where you work two days. Yeah. And you have five days off. So your weekend is when you work now. And then your entire week is off.

Because, you know, well, the weekend always feels so short. It's like, okay, well, now the work week is super short. these like really long weekends. It's kind of a cool, cool way of like retiring because I really think it's good cognitively to keep active and stuff, right? You have to know what day of the week it is, you know?

Yeah, I think that's actually pretty important, yeah. But then do I need to do minimum 40 hours every week for the entire rest of my entire life? Maybe not. That seems like if you could avoid it, be nice not to. The other idea I've heard of that sounds pretty cool is the like seasonal focus

But maybe I work And fully work Yeah three months of the year And then I take nine months off That'd be that'd be tougher to schedule though Because like inverse work week is like Yeah you could have a part time job where you work weekends And you know everyone else who doesn't want to work on the weekend

Easy we'll have Luke do it. Right? Whereas like, yeah, you know, I'm thinking, yeah, maybe October, November, December I'll come in this year and then see you later for nine months. Like, that seems like a tougher conversation. There are some places, like, you know, BC, this doesn't happen enough. But I used to know a guy I played games with a long time ago, um, who would do landscaping in the warm months. Okay. And we'd do snow plowing in the cold months. Well, I don't think you're going to do landscaping, but sure, do go on. But I think you could, I think you could snowplow.

Some kind of seasonal work, though. There are some routinely seasonal jobs. Okay. Yeah. I don't know how relevant this is with online shopping, but I remember when I was growing up, you could get a job in high school in the summer, or in the, like, holiday season, not the summer at all, in the holiday season at retail stores, because they, you know, stores would just sell way more stuff, so they would hire seasonal.

No, there's still seasonality to retail, for sure. No, for sure. I just don't know how much, how many more, okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely still a thing. Yeah, that was my first entrance into Best Buy. I started as seasonal. Ludwig the Mad.

They kept me on. Posts ski instructors are often also river rafting instructors. That actually honestly makes sense. So you ski on the snow until it melts and then you raft on the snow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Yeah, so I mean, that's an interesting idea. I think there's a variety of interesting idea. Someone said freelancing. I think for me, the problem with something like freelancing is, maybe if you've like absolutely made a name for yourself and then you can get work easily. But if you're not super active in the freelancing space, like that might not be the easiest thing to keep doing when you're only doing it two days away. week. People's memories are very short.

And people expect communication. Pushing. That too. You can't just be like five days of radio silence in the modern era. Come on. I mean, if you're super famous in a space, you might be able to demand the

patience or whatever. If you're anyone else. That's tough. That's tough, I think. I think that's tough. When a board of directors going to politics, politics. I don't know if I'm made of the right metal for that world. No, but I think that's the problem, right? The kinds of people who are attracted to politics are generally not the kinds that we want involved in it.

Yeah. So, you know, maybe you should just do it anyway. Yeah, I do think there is a variety of options, though. I think, I mean, at that point in time, I would see volunteering routinely and at a place that had, like, fixed goals. and whatnot. Like, it would need to be a fairly serious position of volunteer. But I could see you finding some form of nonprofit where you're contributing quite heavily in your effort.

Yeah, I think that'd be fun. And you're working two days a week or something as the same level of applicable thing. You need something external to yourself that you could pour a lot of care into that needs it and takes effort and has problems and has problems that are naturally created and are important and impactful to overcome. All of those things are important to keep the brain juices flowing. We're wired so hard to care about things that we invest our own time and our own energy in. And the more time and energy we invest in them, the more we care about them.

It's like you can fight it, but it's there. I talked about this, I think, on the last WAN show. But Emma and I have been doing this thing where, at night we'll go for a walk. And we walk around this really nice park. And there's chess tables at the park. And we've tied bags to the chess tables and put chess sets inside the bags.

And at night we'll go by and I'll set the chess pieces back up and we'll make sure that they're all there. And if they're not there, we'll fill the chess pieces back in. One of the thought processes that got us to do this, because the park never provided the check pieces. chest pieces because obviously people are going to steal them or lose them and then they'll be gone forever so it's impossible. But you still want to put a chest table there. But it's such a

classic problem. I've genuinely seen this a bunch of times where like play areas or parks will have chess tables or one that I've seen too is like the chest thing where it's on the floor. It's like painted on the floor and it's huge as if you have like people-sized chest pieces as if anyone's ever actually really going to engage with that properly. So I was like, man. Actually there's one at the Fraser Heights rec center that is like a giant chess set that people do. They actually have the set there? They actually have it and it's amazing. Is it outdoors?

No. It's inside. I've seen one outdoors and you have to go and request them from the office and they give you like one of those little garbage picker-upper things. You can grab the pieces by the neck and move them around. That's pretty cool. That could work. I could see that working.

It's supervised. So you can't. Yeah, this place doesn't have an office. All right. Carry on. But anyways, yeah, we tie the chess pieces there. they're there. We go by every night just to make sure the first couple days there were a few minor problems. We've had some really cool moments where like we lost a bishop, for example.

And we couldn't find it in the dirt or anything. Did you ask the cardinal where he went? So we replaced the bishop with one of the ones that we had in the bag and we went home. And then we come back the next day and we check all the pieces and there's an extra bishop. Nice. So someone Faith in humanity restored. It's actually been fascinating. Like the very first day, some kids tried to steal the bag. And then Emma caught them because she had just put it there. And gave them a little like, don't do that.

And they're like, oh, it's my friends. And they're like, no, it's not. And then, but then after that day, no one seems to have tried to steal them. And they've basically just been, you know, probably some little kid accidentally hit them and they went flying. and there's some dirt near it. So especially the black pieces just kind of get lost in there and whatever. But like it's been pretty consistent. And a big part of the idea that spawned this is that super old.

I think it's Chinese or whatever. It's the you should plant trees you'll never sit in the shade of. Part of the idea is that we don't, we do it at night. We're replacing the pieces when nobody's there. Nobody knows this is us. Right. We're just trying to make the park better. I've never actually played chess at those tables.

To be honest, I basically only play chess on my phone. Whenever I play chess over the board, it feels very strange. So I'm just used to seeing it digitally. But it's like, I want to do more stuff like that. I don't know what opportunities there are for that, but I want to try to do more stuff like that because it's really cool. I mean, never forget that what you do here is very important for that. I got this message today, which is pretty much made my day.

Dear Linus, Hi, I know you'll probably never read this But I wanted to thank you for the role you've played in my career One of the first videos I've ever watched from you Was when you unboxed a quantum computer at D-Wave For holy shit Well, last week was my first day As an intern at D-Wave

I'm currently working on multicolor annealing Their most cutting-edge cubit control technology And I'm really excited for where this industry is going Without you and your team I would not have had as much passion for technologies I do now, let alone even know what a D-Wave was. Thank you so much. Like that's...

I'm going to send that to HR. I'm going to have them print it and put it on the fridges and stuff because I think that a lot of the time it's really easy for us around here to forget. Like I always say it. I'm like, our job is to go around and start little fires. And if even a handful of them burn, then we've succeeded, right? but we have so little visibility like your chess sets you don't see who's playing with them you don't actually know yeah just to jump in one of the things that's really cool about doing it at night too is we always have this

question of like is anyone even playing with them yeah every single day the bags are mixed up that's cool and you'd think it's like a little bit annoying because i have to reset the bags and like sort everything out. But it's actually just amazing. Because every single day, I mean, it's not like, you know, one person played with it one time. It probably got played with a bunch. And that is how they ended up getting mixed up. And it's just, I don't know, it's cool. I've been thinking, I want to do like some, you know, I'm doing pretty well for myself. I want to do some type of like, budget of sorts because I'm so happy with this chest thing we've been doing of like, you know, a yearly or monthly thing where we try to like do something like that or we just try to improve

the community in some way, some tiny little, tiny little way. I mean, you don't. Small stuff. Genuinely small stuff. Every day someone is touching grass, getting some cognitive exercise and interacting with another human being. That is, you have no. idea what that might snowball into compared to what they could have been doing in that time.

Yeah, and then realistically, like you get small. You talk about how small it is, but I guess what I'm trying to say is like, I don't think random acts of kindness are ever small. But I think that's why I want it to be small. Right. You know what I mean? Like I do recognize that too, but I think it's why I want it to be small is because I want to do the stuff that I think like a large organization like a government or a huge charity or whatever would never think of because it's a $15 cheap oh Amazon chess set yeah it's whatever there's no way you bought it on Amazon sorry there's no way you bought it on Amazon I think oh Emma bought it so all right okay yeah I did not you know what it still counts it still counts still makes still making the world a

little better I was thinking about being able to get away from that by by 3D printing them or something. I'm not stoked on that part, but it is what it is. But it's like that plus the combination of the fact that people aren't taking them. Yeah. It's like this was effectively a $30 investment. And it's been like incredible, man. Like I just, I don't know.

It's been it's been super, it's been very fulfilling. Selfishly, it has made me feel very good. So it's like, was this worth of 30 bucks? Like, dude, absolutely. I have, I have met people that take that to a toxic level where like their whole, like, it gets to the point where the charity they do is all about being the best at charity. And that's their like whole identity. To be clear, I'm not saying you're anywhere near that.

I'm just saying like, I'm sure I can imagine the personality. Growing up in the church, you find some of those people where the whole point of it is how much. much more Jesus loves them than anyone else. And it's just like, oh man, dude, it's not about that for crying out loud. It's actually, I think, like, very not about that. Yeah. Not the point. Anyway, hit us up, Dan.

Happy Friday, Dan, Luke and Linus. Why does the future keep being worse than we were promised instead of better, saddice? Let's turn it around. I blame the internet. I think to a degree, the connectivity and the communication and the interaction online has turbocharged our process, our progress. I also think that it has turbocharged our worst instincts and our ability to harm each other. I think that it has amplified everything that's great about humanity and at the same time amplified everything that's bad. And unfortunately, cancer grows faster than healthy cells.

And I think we're reaching the point where that is becoming, it's hitting like a tipping point of being extremely problematic. There, that's my, you asked, that's the only reason I'm talking about it. Hello, Dune, Lunis and Lake. Apparently I'm the only one who's going to answer that. Sure, fine. Oh, sorry. Was Luke going to butt in? Honestly, I was so focused on Linus' answer.

I don't remember the core question at the beginning. Why is everything garbage now and... Oh, yeah. I mean, the internet was a really good answer. I think it's because people aren't like Luke and they're not giving people chest sets. Oh, my God. No, if we had more of that. just do one thing

we should do a new shirt be more like Luke I'll wear it I was 99% of the stuff that he does I still wear my Luke Newcomb shirt very regularly it's like one of my weekend shirts I've seen you wear it before

I um oh yeah I ran into it at Bubble World and I was wearing it right? Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um Bubble world is great um crap wasn't

say yeah i think it's i think it's not i mean this is so true for so many things it's not inherently the internet it's what the internet has kind of become um like the i remember the my first foray onto the internet it was so much goodness there was all there was pretty much always bad stuff on the internet but there was so much goodness and now with like the mass commercialization with the amount of insane amounts of money being poured into trying to control your brain as much as they possibly can with infinite scrolling and physical addiction to hand movement and, you know, maximizing humanity's constant draw towards anger and hatred and how that has killed a lot of journalism, to be completely honest, and how we're, I mean, we talked earlier

in the show about how even what remains of good information on the internet is rotting away because they generated articles and stuff. And the erosion of trust in experts, which has been a fascinating one for me to watch. Like, I believe my dentist when they tell me, when she tells me about something about teeth. And that's like not to be taken for granted anymore. I believe my doctor when she tells me about a vaccine or about a treatment. And it's like, that doesn't mean that she's perfect or whatever or that she'll always get it right. But like, in general, I'm, I'm asking her not a podcaster.

and that's not to be taken for granted anymore. And it's been wild for me to watch that in my lifetime. Jay Shmead says I miss Good News, Wann. Okay, okay, we'll bring it back a little more good news next week. Sorry, you guys. Yeah, yeah. There was some bad parts earlier in the show, but this was a question. Not much we can do about that.

We're doing what we can. But yeah, I think I'll still say the internet, but I'll say what the internet became. Not necessarily how it started. Okay. Hello, Dune, Lunar. and Lake, what if your whole game was your NFT that you could buy and resell on a marketplace,

like an online game stop? Would this help the ownership problem that we are facing? Okay, I'm going to let you finish, but why does it have to be an NFT? Yeah, what? No, no, no, I understand what they're saying. Basically, they're asking for a transferable digital license. It doesn't have to be an NFT, and there's no way that, you know,

the Microsofts and Sony's of the world would allow it to be managed off, you know, their own authentication chain, so to speak. But, no, I mean, if a digital asset was transferable... Better read a game license. Yeah, sure. If a digital asset was tracked and transferable in a central location versus a decentralized or whatever, I don't think that matters. And, yeah, it would totally help the ownership problem we're facing.

But it also sort of wouldn't because you still wouldn't own the zeros and the ones that would still be... um inactive without a central authentication server at least in the current sort of way of things working so i sort of kind of talked around it but yes but also no but also yes kind of but also no not really so that makes sense last one i've got for you today hello linus look and dan love the dms home theater video uh this one is mostly for luke when is it a when is a non-essential tool or tech purchase

worth it just because it makes life easier. Oh, makes life easier. If you can afford it often. Yeah, I think they kind of answered their own question. Yeah, if it genuinely makes life easier. Yeah, sick. I mean, I've done a bunch of that. I mean, a guilty purchase that I have,

would I say that I have an eight sleep? I don't recommend an eight sleep because of a variety of things We've talked about on a Wancho very extensively, so I'm not going to go over everything again. But it makes my life easier. When it's not set up, I am sad. And I don't sleep as well. And when it is set up, I am happier and I sleep better. Yeah, that thing was expensive as hell.

Yeah. And deeply problematic. And very deeply problematic. I don't think I'd buy another one. I would search for alternatives immediately, though, because it's like they're pretty sick. Yeah, I don't know. Making life easier is a pretty strong reason to buy something, to be honest. You made it sound like it's like so minor.

That's why you should buy something. That's like what it's all about, man. You just got to make sure you can afford those things. Like if you ask Luke, like when can I justify a plastic? do-dad, you know, he'll be like, never put away your wallet, brother. But when can I justify something that makes my life easier? It's like, yeah, you're not going to get a lot of pushback around here.

$20,000, $40,000, you're worth it, sister. I'm even, like, again, people call me cheap, man, but like, if you can buy, like, there's some expensive things where, like, if it's a, if it's, um, I don't know. My grandpa used to talk about boots all the time. Yeah, boots theory is pretty traditional. Where he's like, you know, buy a good pair of shoes, buy a really good pair of shoes. Because, you know, not only should they be comfortable, but you also want them to last for a long time. And yada, yada, yada, yada.

It goes into all these different things. Like have a good pair of shoes. Don't cheap out on your shoes. Buy like expensive. But he doesn't mean expensive. Go buy Louis Vuitton thingies with the red bottoms or whatever. where he means like buy a good quality, well-constructed pair of boots or shoes.

What's really funny is I leaned really heavily on, what is it, Sam Vimes? Yeah, I leaned really heavily on that for the launch video for our socks. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was talking about how, like, being able to afford better socks up front was saving me overall on socks back when the,

The champion ones that I used to get at Costco became in shuffied. People are calling me out because I have ratty shoes. I do have ratty shoes, but those are the most comfortable shoes I've ever had. That's a whole thing with him. You can't rebuy them. Yeah. He would buy 10 of them today if he could. It's not a question of whether he'd spend the money.

I was quite genuinely on eBay last week trying to find more of them. Yep. Because they're not new. You can't buy them. I have a newer pair of shoes. I do wear them. I find them very annoying in a variety of ways. And I often go back to my older ones because they are significantly more comfortable.

So really what it comes down to is Luke wouldn't mind buying things, but nobody builds anything that lives up to his standards. Oh, yeah, yes. I'm just too discerning. He'd rather owe nothing and be happy than buy something inadequate, something lesser. I think that's noble. To be completely honest, that is often kind of true. I know.

I was like 8% joking. Like, not negative. It's like a little bit joking, but it's not that much. That is, that is, that is pretty real. I would, I would, I'm pretty happy buying like a quality craftsman, whatever nice thing that I can keep basically forever. If I have to buy something that's junk, I'd really rather not. I'd really rather like, okay, can I like rent this thing or borrow this thing? It's always...

Go ahead, Dan, sorry. Yeah, the other nice thing is generally the more expensive or high quality something is the more repairable it becomes. Yep. They're easier to service, there's more parts available. Not a rule that always works.

It is a rule that sometimes works. Never a rule. Like washing machines, you get industrial stuff. We were talking about this. You were looking for a fridge or something like that. I was like, there's a repairable fridge that will last for 400 years.

It's probably 4,000. $40,000. Yeah. They exist. You just probably can't afford them. Yeah, I found this. Our washer and dryer was having issues. And it's fine right now.

So I'm no longer in the market. But I was trying to find like, okay, what's a very reputable, high quality, repairable washer and dryer? Nope, they do exist. Oh, yeah. Yeah, how much you want to spend, though? It's a lot of money. And I'll tell you, working on them.

It's a lot of money. A dream. They're like designing. And you undo two screws and then you pull the thing out and all the circuit boards like fold down and lock and all the wires are long enough so you can get to the whole thing. And the company support is amazing and they'll just- Tons of people in chat. Speed queen. Okay, I'm looking this up.

Sorry, Dan, I was listening. No, no, no, no, totally. I'm just rambling. Built better to last longer. They do exist. I didn't even say the name of the brand and like four people got it in a row and no one said any other brand. but okay scroll all the way down no prices

because I'm in a condo I need vertical stacking units so let's draw all the way down okay all the way down stacked washer tires okay so I mean okay so these are dogs for scale but then also sometimes a cat oh these are just different colors anyway so let's go electric electric

no I think yeah okay only four stars I guess depends on what people are expecting from is this US dollars probably That's actually less than I thought. Yeah. I mean, is this a double-thought?

This is still about double what you would pay for like a regular one. Double to triple. Mine was made in 1970s. It's going to outlast me. Nice. So, I don't know. It doesn't have anything electronic in it. I also don't know 100% like is the stacked,

are the stacked versions of as high regard as the individual units or whatever. Never get a front loader ever. Yeah, and this is a. front loader. Wait, these top loads are not even like that bad. Here's their top load washer. It's like $1,600. It's American. I don't think they sell them in Canada. You'd have to import it so you're paying duties and everything else in talking about it. I'm fairly certainly not in Canada. They might be, but I don't think so. You must allow functional cookies. Okay. Functional cookies. Confirm my choice. No, you aren't looking at the good one. What's the good one then?

Okay, what's the good one? Well, why do they, why do even these guys? have a bad one. Yeah, that's the TR7. That's the like, that was the one on the far left. I don't 100% know if I, you know.

Like higher number more better, right? I mean, I think so. Am I missing something here? Okay, TR3. No, that's like the same price. Yeah, Ross, I think people just import them. Surf and Sam asks, hey Dan,

why never get a front loader? Just because they leak, right? And if there's a problem, and it's full of water and the drain is broken where the pump goes very traditionally on a washer. Now it's full of water. What do you do? Oh, I see. You can't get a bucket in there or a wet dry vac and suck it all out. It's not a good idea.

Got it. Not a good idea. There's a brand that we used to work with a bunch. They're called Splendid. They're very expensive. they were like compact spaces so it's a washer-dryer combo but it doesn't have an exhaust hose

so you can put it like in a cupboard because it recondenses the like dryer exhaust and so you can fit them in like a space that's the size of it oh this is like for boats or something right yeah but I mean they're in they're in like the domestic places too but they're like really high end.

That's crazy. Splendid. S-P-L-E-N-D-I-D-E. Splendid. Splendid. Splendid laundry centers. Designed to fit where others won't. I don't know what that accent that's supposed to be.

Don't worry about it. I mean, they are you. That was great. Okay. That's probably not how I would do it, but sure. Our collection. Premium detergent. Vented combo

Compact washer All right Most reliable Okay Whoops, that was a mistake All right Anyways, we can probably stop talking about Washer and Driers

Yeah, sorry hyperfocus We can stop talking about everything We'll see again next week, guys Same bad time, same bad channel Bye So sudden Conversation over. This was a nice visit. Get the fuck out of my house.

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