The WAN Show - You Okay Intel? - WAN Show September 1, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:17 What is up, everyone, and welcome to The WAN Show. We have a great topic lined up for you guys today. Luke and I both got some... I think quality is a strong word. But we got some time in with Starfield already. So we're going to be talking about that a little bit. Yours is questionable. Yeah, the quality was a little low for me.

Starting point is 00:00:36 So we'll be talking about that. We've also got... Quite literally. Oh, right. I guess we should acknowledge the weird thumbnail. Oh, yeah. Intel's quality in Starfield is a little questionable, so we'll be talking about that.

Starting point is 00:00:49 In other news, iFixit has brought the fight for right to repair to McDonald's, tearing down one of their infamous ice cream machines. So we'll be talking about that. What else we got today? The Legion Go handheld has been announced, and it looks potentially quite interesting. Also, games right now are crazy. That's just going to be a general topic that we have.

Starting point is 00:01:10 Starfield Sea of Stars. Suspiciously similar names. Extremely different games. Yeah, but we've got fields and seas. Yep. So next is going to be Air Star. Don't forget about the Citizen of Star. Oh, we got that one already.

Starting point is 00:01:22 Desert of Stars. Yeah. Tundra of Stars. Okay, there's already desert of stars yeah tundra of stars okay there's a lot of biomes chill star chill forest of stars we're really good at naming games what else we got uh no i did two good i actually thought of two this time uh and it's gone you pdf and kudos kudos why don't we jump right into the big topic i mean who in the gamosphere is not amped about starfield right now who in the gamosphere is not amped right now who is who is even watching the wan show right now instead of playing starfield of people saying like hey just checking in but i can't really keep watching because there's too

Starting point is 00:02:23 much dialogue in starfield see you later can you explain something to me yeah how is it that you already have like six hours logged well because i have personally spent like most of your waking hours with you since the game launched can you explain this to me i was at i was at your house until like six uh-huh yeah i went home and house until like 6. Uh-huh, yeah. And then I went home and played until like midnight. I see. And then I went to sleep. And then I saw you this morning.

Starting point is 00:02:51 And we played more Starfield. And we played more Starfield. Okay, cool. Why don't we run through what's in our notes here, and then we'll talk a little bit about Luke's experience and also my experience. I got stuck in a ship already. That was actually cool. That took me way longer in Star Citizen. Bethesda Starfield is available through early

Starting point is 00:03:08 access and is set to come out more generally on Wednesday September the 6th reviews are already out and are generally positive though some community discourse okay has been centered around comparisons to No man's sky star citizen as well as other bethesda games and hasn't been especially positive one particular effect and tons of things one particular pain point was the fact that players cannot walk the circumference of starfield's 1000 planets how dare they i mean you can land anywhere on a planet, but outside of pre-established sites like cities, the game mixes procedurally generated and handcrafted elements to create a limited area that you can explore on foot, which, by some reports, is actually bigger than the entire map of Fallout 4.

Starting point is 00:03:59 So this complaint feels a little bit spurious. I don't care about this literally at all. Spurious, yeah. If you want to spend actually hours walking in a particular direction, finding nothing, like, okay. I think if there's anything that gamers have proven over the years, it's that they will. Someone's going to want to do that.

Starting point is 00:04:18 They do want to. But there's very likely, in my opinion, going to be some mod that allows you to do it anyways. Also, you could walk up to a certain point and then just get in your ship and move it. And then just keep walking if you wanted. You could circumnavigate a planet by just moving your ship a bunch of times. A slightly more legitimate criticism concerns the in-game map, particularly in cities. And I have a link here.

Starting point is 00:04:41 It apparently looks like this. Oh, that is very unfortunate. I will fully admit the map totally is terrible. I will also, however, say that this is the planet side map. Yeah. When you're in the space view, solar system view, et cetera, that's all good. The planet-side terrestrial map is kind of trash.

Starting point is 00:05:10 I think someone's probably going to change this at some point. But I don't know. I didn't really use it, so I didn't really care. Can I just... It's one of those things, though, that is just kind of confusing to me. Why is it so bad? Because the Skyrim map was fantastic. Morrowind came out in 2002.

Starting point is 00:05:31 I would guess, you've played Morrowind. I have only dropped into it once, and I didn't last very long because I tried to play it after playing Oblivion. Yeah, that's not going to happen. Yeah, anyway. I would guess that the map was actually better. Oh, yeah. Than this. So how is it, and we saw a lot of stuff like that when we were tinkering around with it this morning.

Starting point is 00:05:50 How is it that you can have been making games where you explore and use maps for 20 years and then release a map like that? Like, I just don't really, it had to be intentional. Yeah, I will say, like, in in whatever the whatever the main city is called what is it called again uh dan's trying new atlantis new atlantis when i landed in new atlantis which is like the big primary main city i was unsure of where to go to find a uh place that i could sell my my firearms to because I was carrying too many firearms I wanted to sell them. What a problem. So I Didn't open my map. I don't know why. I can tell you weren't in America

Starting point is 00:06:33 Actually, it's it's it's the stores in the residential district and I made a joke what about how it feels like it's America it feels like it's America. Sorry. Anyways, I saw there was an info kiosk. I didn't open my map. There was an info kiosk and I was like, oh, I wonder if like this works

Starting point is 00:06:54 and I open it and it tells me what thing it's in, like what area it's in and I just went to the tram thing and the tram said I could go there. So I went there and then I just found it myself and it felt very intuitive. It felt intuitive to the point where I didn't even really

Starting point is 00:07:08 think of opening the map. I was just like, oh, I'm just going to do it this way. So yes, the map is bad and it should be better. And I hope modders make it better, but I will say that they've done other things in the game that are cool to the point where you don't really need to use it that much. You can also fast travel, not using the map. You have this thing called the scanner where you don't really need to use it that much. You can also fast travel not using the map. You have this thing called a scanner, and you can bring it up and it'll show you points of interest, and you can fast travel to those points of interest on foot and in your ship. A lot of people complain about needing to open up, including myself,

Starting point is 00:07:37 about needing to open up the map to fast travel when you're in your ship because it feels very non-immersive. But I learned today, I haven't been able to put it into action yet but i learned today um that you don't actually have to do that you turn on your scanner and then you can warp there riley's calling bethesda simp that's true but i'm actually i think i'm being very unbalanced here i'm saying the map is trash what i'm also saying is that there's ways around it is that you don't really need the map anyway it's true the map is trash though you are and the Skyrim map was sick. You are kind of sounding like an apologist

Starting point is 00:08:07 right now. For what? I said it's trash! Where's the city map? It's bad! Where's the city map? I never said it's good! Why do you like it so much? The iPhone reception is bad, but if you just held it differently, then it wouldn't be a problem. You're using it wrong. He doesn't like it, but he he has nothing it's because it's fair

Starting point is 00:08:27 all right uh i'm just saying like if you are playing there are ways that you can avoid it because it is so bad that you should probably like not use it because it's actually like i thought it was a bug when someone first sent me that the map was this bad and i was like yeah there's no way. That's got to just be like, it's not loaded in properly, or something's just wrong. I don't really believe it. And then I saw it in the game myself,

Starting point is 00:08:51 and I was like, holy crap, they're not kidding. Because again, the solar system map is fantastic. So I don't know. I don't know why it's so bad. Overall, the game seems to be running... running. On NVIDIA and AMD graphics cards, outside of some minor issues.

Starting point is 00:09:11 The notes here say, Linus can probably speak to this, having filmed a video today. Yeah, we both can. We were both there. We'll talk about this in a bit. But according to Reddit, on Intel Arc GPUs,

Starting point is 00:09:22 most of the time, the game doesn't even launch. And this is a great video from Hugh Splat. I'm not going to show you the whole thing because, you know, fair use, right? I don't want you guys to watch the whole thing. I want you to go check out the video. It has 368 views, but it's amazing. Arc A770 No Worky.

Starting point is 00:09:41 Check this out. It apparently looks like that when it does manage to launch. I'm going to drop the link in the chat so you guys can go check that out. It apparently looks like that when it does manage to launch I'm gonna drop the link in the chat so you guys can go check that out It's only about a 30 second clip, so it's not gonna take you very long Oh right, the YouTube chat as well. I forgot about YouTube chat. Sorry YouTube chat I... I remember you I was trying to think of like, you know what you would say to your forgotten child you.

Starting point is 00:10:05 I was trying to think of like, you know, what you would say to your forgotten child. It's just, um, so that they're not forgotten. I was just, I was getting milk. Yeah. And cigarettes from the corner store. Anywho, Intel has acknowledged the issue on Twitter, says that they are working to improve the experience for the game's general release next week. And meanwhile, AMD released their Starfield optimized driver on October 31st, while Nvidia released their driver a week earlier

Starting point is 00:10:28 on August 22nd. Did I say October? Did I say October? You know, it doesn't matter. You might have. I'll give us a little spoiler alert here too, because I've been retesting the 7900 XTX for the AMD video,

Starting point is 00:10:41 because I'm trying to get like more recent testing. And I launched the game and it crashed pretty quickly and I was like oh no and then realized that I didn't have the day one driver got the day one driver perfect after that zero performance issues zero crashes no problems so it was very good experience and it's on me for not updating so not their problem now we tried three different configurations today aside from luke's at home config with the 7900 xt we tried um a 5700 so radeon 5700 which happens to be the minimum spec that bethesda uh advertises as what you know what can have i guess uh you know a suitably adequate experience running the game i can play the game i've never really understood what minimum spec means because you

Starting point is 00:11:32 can always launch it with slightly more minimum than what the minimum spec is yeah i anyway uh so we tried that we tried their recommended spec which is uh an rtx 2080 non-super if i recall correctly and then we also got just a balling out absolutely everything top of the line config and i think man i don't want to i don't want to say too much because it's a good video it's worth watching we encountered a ton of sort of interesting behavior both in both in terms of like graphical anomalies or, you know, things that we can discuss and in terms of just like general game behavior. And there's an interesting discussion in it

Starting point is 00:12:14 about the current state of like PC graphics options. Because we're in an interesting spot because there's a lot of graphics option settings which when enabled enable a bunch of automated stuff yeah and it's like it's a black box i don't really know what's happening exactly so you might get okay let's put it this way the minimum config and the recommended config just out of the box ran at almost the same FPS. However, it was very noticeable to the eye that one of them looked better than the other. But we had no way of knowing exactly what settings in the background.

Starting point is 00:13:02 To be clear, when he's talking minimum recommended config, he means the hardware config. The settings are the same on both in this scenario. No, not necessarily. So we did that. We did the same settings on both. Oh, that's true. We did do that. Yes. And it was graphically better on the higher end one with very similar frame rates. Yes.

Starting point is 00:13:22 Interesting. So the reason for that is there's so much automatic fidelity tuning going on in the game. If you turn on certain settings. You can't tell necessarily. And those are settings that are enabled by default. And you probably should turn on. That you can't tell exactly what you're running at. Like, it doesn't have a dropdown for texture quality. What? Yeah. When's the last time i mean i shouldn't even ask this because there's a lot of console ports that are just going to be an example

Starting point is 00:13:54 right away there's going to be an example right away but but but my point is yesterday when's the last time that we should have seen a pc game that doesn't have a texture quality slider. Yeah. It's weird. How is that even remotely acceptable? There's already modders fixing some of that stuff. Like there's modders in Starfield that have added FOV control.

Starting point is 00:14:18 Because did you notice there isn't an FOV slider option? I didn't even notice that. Interesting to have a first-person game with no FOV slider. Least of my even notice that. Interesting to have a first-person game with no FOV slider. Least of my concerns, sir. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I saw the fact that there's no texture slider. I don't even think we should talk about the other one.

Starting point is 00:14:33 What? Draw distance? No. There's no draw distance slider. The one thing that you can't change that we were enraged about. Sure. I feel like that should be a tidbit for the video. No, let's talk about

Starting point is 00:14:45 there's so much in the video okay you can't set a a non-native resolution so if you have a 4k monitor this is a very hard to run game if you have a 4k monitor and you're like i i'd run this game in 1440p or 1080 you have to do um resolution percentage, whatever it's called. Scaling. Scaling. You have to do resolution scaling. But when you do that, the other settings are going to interact differently. So like we actually got a very different experience instead of doing a resolution scaling by changing our monitor's resolution, setting it to native, cranking resolution scaling to 100% and then interacting with other options.

Starting point is 00:15:26 It was actually notably different. I should clarify that a little bit. So by setting it to a non-native desktop resolution. So we've got a 4K TV. If we run it at 4K, but then set the resolution scaling to 50%, which is the minimum, that's as low as the slider in-game goes. Remember, we don't have any mods installed. We're not, you know, we were experiencing it as a gamer would experience it we're not running into you know config files or anything like that and manually typing in values we're just

Starting point is 00:15:54 using it as it's meant to be used so 50 is the lowest you can go meaning that you are rendering at 1080p, but FSR is enabled, so maybe... You actually have no idea what resolution, what pixel count your GPU is trying to push. And then, sorry, what Luke was saying was we tried changing the desktop resolution to 1080p. So that's not the native resolution of the panel. Now we go into the game, and all of a a sudden we can turn it down to 50% again, which would be 540p except that Depending on what what desktop resolution you're running except that no matter what desktop resolution you're running at When you just go to low medium and high it just

Starting point is 00:16:46 moves that slider to what was it like 62 i think so 50 or 75 it actually even on ultra never goes to 100 we didn't even mention that in the video but that blew my mind i think we pointed it out i don't know if it was a major beat but it never defaults to 100 So what that means is it's setting this overall level of detail the same, regardless of what pixel count your display is running at. How is that even possible that they overlooked that? I don't understand it. It's kind of wild. You also can't full screen.

Starting point is 00:17:20 So if you're at 1080p for your desktop resolution and you put it at low, it's going to render at 50% of 1080p with all low details. If you have a 4K monitor, okay, and you set it to low, you are going to render at 1080p all low details. Whoops. Those are not the same low. It's weird. Yeah. It's honestly really weird. The whole only working in windowed full screen, though,

Starting point is 00:17:56 and having to use resolution scaling, I know that's not a new thing. That's not unique to this game. It's just... The implementation is jank. And it's bad, and I i hate it but that's a separate thing like it's halo infinite has the same thing too you can't just run an exclusive full screen mode but the implementation in starfield and the way that the presets interact

Starting point is 00:18:17 with it is really really bad because people have the same hardware They're going to set it at the same thing in game. And then depending on what monitor they have. Them and their friend might have very very different gameplay experiences. That's bad. Not being able to just set an exact pixel count that you are rendering at. And then an exact target pixel count that you are trying to upscale to means that you just have no idea what's going on inside the black box of this engine just just wild man um definitely some fun bugs i really like the one where dead guys stand like

Starting point is 00:19:01 this oh yeah it holsters their weapon, so they actually- there is nothing here, so that- no, no, no. Their hands are up. Oh, yeah, right, okay. But their weapon just goes in their holster and they stand there, and they're lootable. But they just keep doing this! So you're- you're looking around and you keep getting jump- scared by this- by this thing. I waste a ton of ammo on them.

Starting point is 00:19:20 Because I- I- every time I come out of the corner I'm like, BAH! And I shoot, and I'm like, ah, crap. He's- he's already done. Yeah, but I mean,, ah, and I shoot. I'm like, ah, crap. Yeah, but I mean, that might be a you thing. You couldn't even recognize friendlies from enemies. Oh my goodness. I was roasting him for that, and then I did it too. It's a very gray brown.

Starting point is 00:19:38 I have an excuse. My eyes are bad. I mean, I know this is true. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess so. He was roasting the game for being for being very like shades of gray and brown, but we were on a moon So it's like I don't know Yeah, I've been on colorful planets. There are also And again, this isn't defending

Starting point is 00:19:57 But there's there's reshade mods already out Multiple of them zero-point float plane says I had the opposite some Some miner was lying dead on the floor but had his eyes open and was talking. I think that's worse. Yeah. That's a lot worse. That might be. Oh boy. I mean zombies are normalized enough in games that it's like I don't mind the living dead

Starting point is 00:20:18 but the dead living. Space zombies are worse. That's uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah. Are we talking about Star Citizen? No. No. No we're not. Space zombies are worse. That's uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah. Are we talking about Star Citizen? No. No.

Starting point is 00:20:28 No, we're not. No, but in a weird way, this made me appreciate Star Citizen a little bit more. Really? Because... That is... For a game that you just spent probably a solid, I don't know, 75% of the pre-show,

Starting point is 00:20:43 and like half of this show being positive about about that is a really mean thing to say We haven't had the opportunities I have a lot of negative things I can say about Starfield I've talked to you but I hate the crouching And you pointed out that like Maybe it's a little more realistic I don't care it feels like junk

Starting point is 00:20:59 It feels very bad to me Yeah it's not very like Quakey you know It's not like press control and they're just like I Am faster than gravity, you know, like it's not it's not like that like it's it's like press You know like it takes them a Split second to get down, but I here's the here's my car my problem for you. I actually eight minutes to get to prone It actually feels more responsive in Tarkov one of the things in Tarkov that I would say is it Initiates faster and one of my big problems is if I'm in a firefight, and I'm like I'm getting shot at

Starting point is 00:21:37 I need to be behind this physical cover my characters like oh get to it like no dude Cover my characters like oh get to it like no dude Get down, and there's maybe some argument for like crouching when you're when you're actively moving taking longer And I think Tarkov does do that now that they have the momentum system in place But it just it feels really really clunky, and I don't I don't like it I a hundred percent think this is just a modern gaming thing and you're going to have to deal with it. Here's something that isn't a modern gaming thing is the sheer volume of loading screens.

Starting point is 00:22:11 And the places that the loading screens even happen in, like there was the firearm store, like I mentioned earlier. It's a very, very small shop with one shopkeeper. You have to loading screen in a loading screen out it loads this enormous city around it just let me open the door don't put a loading screen what are we doing yeah i mean why do you have to loading screen into your ship the inside of the ship is tiny remember when we all watched that playstation 5 uh showcase where they where they talked about you know new generation

Starting point is 00:22:47 you're streaming data off of high-speed ssds and all that stuff i know that that's a sony thing and architecturally they are probably ahead of what microsoft is doing on the xbox right now but the sheer speed of the ssds is different but not so different that i would imagine that what you're talking about should be a problem as you get close to something i don't i don't actually understand why it couldn't start to yeah start to grab those assets and some people are backing me up night pause in Philippine chat said crouch and flashlight I noticed this too both make me feel like your character has severe arthritis There's already mods that reduce the input latency when you go to carry objects in game So if you go to like I'm picking this up and I want to move it and put it somewhere else

Starting point is 00:23:39 There are already mods that reduce the input latency on that because it's like super high for like no real reason There's a bunch of weird sluggish controls where you go to do something you press the button There's a noticeable amount of time that goes by for like no reason and then it starts to happen It's just like I just it doesn't make it more immersive me. It doesn't make it better I hate it. I wonder if part of excited for mods to solve that I wonder if part of it is that people are generally used to running games at really high frame rates and starfield does not like both of the recommended systems they were clearly with the with the recommended settings on these recommended configs clearly targeting 30 frames per second like like 28 to 26 to 28 one percent

Starting point is 00:24:28 lows 30 to 33 average kind of thing and i do wonder if a lot of pc gamers in particular are playing this 30 fps game and kind of going man it feels like there's an extra, like, 17 milliseconds on top of everything I'm trying to do. Now, that doesn't explain your issue with the crouch or the flashlight. It's not everything. And I think that that's probably part of it. But I do wonder if these things are compounding a little bit and making it feel more worse-er than it actually is. Because we talked about this a little bit when we were at the shoot.

Starting point is 00:25:08 It's not part of the video, but we were talking about how this year it feels like there's been huge game after huge game. Oh, it's been amazing. And it's just kind of happening. And we had some different theories. I think one of the theories was COVID games. I said COVID era games, yeah. And think one of the theories was COVID games. COVID era games, yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:26 And then one of the other theories was, you know, maybe this is just what the development cycle looks like for a new generation console now. That's a good one. I think people have talked a lot about how the Xbox has lost this generation. The PlayStation 5,

Starting point is 00:25:43 it ran away with it, whatever whatever else but what i kind of wonder if is if forget about the hardware on the software side sony just did a way way better job of filling up the queue with games that were if not next gen at least post last gen enough that they could make the playstation 5 heart give the playstation 5 hardware um enough of a library of of of next gen content that it just seems like the obvious winner today but if it's not maybe not over something that i would argue is i don't think it's, it's. It's the flood coming for the Xbox. I don't know about that. I, I, I think my, my argument is more that I actually, now that I think about it more,

Starting point is 00:26:32 I don't think it's a console generation thing because what I'm noticing is game quality and like a game that I'm going to games that I'm going to include personally for this, like, Hey, games have been amazing lately are like dave the diver and sea of stars which have nothing to do with that's true fantastic next gen hardware yep um i i i also think like the reasons why i just adore balder's gate 3 which is just a stunningly amazing game have nothing to do with the the like like graphically i think it's very similar to divinity original sin 2 which is the previous game that they made i think it's the same engine i think it's a lot of the same stuff i don't think that's because of console generation

Starting point is 00:27:14 um starfield for how hard it is to run not a particularly amazing looking game um let me clarify my console generation point though okay because I don't necessarily mean that those games it's kind of like what I was saying with the PlayStation thing I don't necessarily mean that those games are taking full advantage of this console generation what I'm saying is that what I suspect is that the development cycle for these games couldn't start until the development kits hit for this generation of consoles and we're at the point now where what was the budget for starfield i think i saw people throwing around

Starting point is 00:27:49 the 600 million dollar number like earlier in the chat that is that is the only citation i have for that but i guarantee you it was many many millions of dollars final estimate uh based on some forum post on NeoGAF is $400 million. Okay. And, yeah, so the point is many, many millions of dollars. And you were talking about how even playing the game, there are moments where you can clearly see that they worked on this asset like three years ago. It really feels like that.

Starting point is 00:28:21 In my experience, I've seen the fidelity and quality of different assets are surprisingly different across the board so that's going to be a number of things that's going to be you're going to have very different teams working on things and they could be working on them at very very different times and so we know okay yeah they've obviously been working on this game since around the time the x Series X would have been beginning its life cycle. And so I do wonder if it's just that the games that are getting the time, whether that goes into more graphical fidelity or whether it goes into, you know, I'm not going to say something like a Dave the Diver probably has anything to do with this cycle here. But I do think that it's probably, you know what, it's probably a combination of a lot of factors.

Starting point is 00:29:07 It's probably partly the generational cycle. It's probably partly just the like, you know, COVID return to productivity boom, you know, projects kind of got stalled for a little bit and, and maybe we're seeing like, and you know, maybe it was even just, you know, Oh, everything got kind of disrupted and we had some kind of cool ideas. Oh, I'm not talking about it being disrupted.

Starting point is 00:29:27 I mean, there's certain, especially online continuous service games, we saw quality increases from COVID era. Like during COVID era. Because these are games that have to roll out content constantly. I think some of the work from home stuff that happened in the gaming industry was like super beneficial. I'm sure it was also super negative for certain companies that like didn't manage it well or whatever. I'm not saying across the board it's good, to be very clear. Yeah, there's a... But there are some examples where it's worked really well.

Starting point is 00:30:00 If you are 100% for work from home or you are 100% against work from home, you're wrong. I think there's flaws with those. Yeah. Yeah. There's it's the world is almost never black and white. And it's it can be it can be really, really good. And it can also be really, really bad. Here's here's another I'm jumping off this topic.

Starting point is 00:30:21 Here's another criticism that I would have for Starfield. Yeah. One of my favorite things about Eve online when did Eve online come out? May 6 2003 a space game made in May 6 2003 in my strong opinion has drastically better travel mechanics than Starfield When you jump They've been working on that game since to know when it launched okay Because it hasn't changed when you jump if you're jumping to a gate in Eve

Starting point is 00:30:56 your your ship aligns This part isn't that important, but it aligns it it points at the things it needs to jump to, and then it like kind of starts jumping. And then depending on how far away the thing is, you have to sit in warp and you actually physically move to from location to location, right? In Starfield, it's just an animation and then you're done. That doesn't translate a sense of distance or effort or time or anything like that and i understand there's different explanations in in uh in eve you're going up to a extremely high speed and then traveling the whole way in this one they maybe i haven't read all the lore yet maybe

Starting point is 00:31:37 they're doing like oh we're folding space or something like that so there is no actual time aspect also in eve uh when you're in that warp you can actually get pulled out of it midway through right some of the more advanced stuff you want to be going to uh special midway points through a solar system instead of gate to gate because people hide in that traditional warp highway and they can pull you out right in the middle yeah they can put a bubble that disrupts warp along the way exactly but again this mechanic might work differently it might be folding space or whatever uh but if it does that i feel like they should translate it in in a different way just making it an animation a

Starting point is 00:32:12 loading screen effectively yeah feels it's immersion breaking yes by the way i think floatplane chat is trying to interpret things that we say as uncharitably as possible now. Oh, boy. COVID was the best thing to happen to gaming ever. Luke LaFrendier in a 2023-09-01. No, no. There's some games where I think it benefited the game. Oh, there it is. There it is, you guys.

Starting point is 00:32:37 You heard it again. That's all I'm saying is there's some games I think it benefited the game. I also have a weird theory that it has to do with, like, if the development studio for this game was in a city where people have to commute for like- Luke 2023, the blood sacrifice was worth it. Extremely long. So that I could get better games.

Starting point is 00:32:55 Oh God, no, I'm not saying that. If people had to commute for very, very long periods of time to get into like a very densely populated city to get to their office. So now they're not burning three hours a day, hours a day i know someone who worked at a game development studio that had to commute over an hour to get in and out both directions so they're commuting for more than two hours a day um if you take that out of their day they might have more creative energy can we talk about how i this is just something that I've never understood you I know you and I think you and I

Starting point is 00:33:26 have probably talked about this at the at the earliest point like as much as probably like 13 14 years ago I think I was ranting about hockey games and I was trying to figure out we've had we've had rant conversations about hockey games for sure yeah yeah yeah but we're canadian so basically it's a given right um i was trying to figure out why they keep trying to pack stadiums and like major venues into downtown vancouver which if you look at a map the downtown area of vancouver is almost an island it's an island. It's more of like a peninsula. But it's this tiny, tiny little space with very few points of ingress.

Starting point is 00:34:12 And so anytime there's any kind of event, I'm glad Taylor Swift isn't coming. Oh boy. Now I've gotten myself into real trouble. COVID was good for gaming. I hate Taylor Swift. Yeah. And we're done.

Starting point is 00:34:26 See you later. Good night, everyone. Oh, boy. Because every time a major event takes place in Vancouver, it's impossible to get in or out for a solid, like, six hours. And so I remember talking to you. I was like, why are we doing this why don't we just put the put the arena in a suburb where they can just have a giant parking lot where it

Starting point is 00:34:53 doesn't cost 40 to park or whatever else and it and like it doesn't matter and it also happens to be just as long of a of a trend like it's just as connected to transit as the downtown core but we keep doing this and i remember when we first started lmg i got some advice from someone whose advice i respect a lot in general but in this case i think they were just completely wrong where they basically said yeah you know if you're going to be taken seriously you need to have an office downtown like a studio downtown i'm like why yeah that doesn't make any sense we upload videos to the internet i could have a studio in a barn and as long as it was decorated kind of nicely you guys might even like it better look at the way people talk about missing the kitchen isn't mr peace stuff like

Starting point is 00:35:45 far away from downtown centers oh yeah yeah oh yeah no one judges that mind you don't think there are challenges like there's a lot of people who just simply do not want to live outside of a city and but there's also people that don't want to live in a city so like i don't know yeah so it's it's always going to be a it's always going to be a blade that cuts both ways, right? I'd prefer to not live in a city, personally Yeah, but you are, how do I put this? Pragmatic to a fault? If it costs the same, I don't think I'd want to live in a city

Starting point is 00:36:19 I'll word it that way It doesn't cost the same, it costs more to live in the city No, but what I'm saying is like Come on, you're just trying to bother me it's basically all i've done since the pre-show started it's been it's been kind of it's been kind of a long week i was supposed to be off i was actually supposed to be off last week too but i was supposed to be I was supposed to be off this week and I managed to get 1.25 days off um and the days that I did work which was most of them were incredibly intense we've got a lot of new stuff going on we've got a lot of uh we've got a lot of pressure from the community rightly to make sure that you know everything is everything's polished everything's

Starting point is 00:37:02 you know awesome um and so there's just been there's been a lot There's been a lot going on and it's been an incredibly challenging day bothering No in float plane chat said You also assume you'll have good transit having everyone heading in the same way when event ends is just as bad hold on hold on Have such a good answer to this his point about vancouver is that everyone has to head in the same way if it's out in the suburbs it's more centralized and there's multiple directions people could head in haven't spoke yeah sorry yeah yes that's the entire point instead of the arc of possible directions being

Starting point is 00:37:41 like this v between my fingers it's a a whole circle. Yeah. And I, you know what? I honestly think it is. I think a big part of it is that, and I'm, I'm going to be generalizing right now based on my own anecdotal experiences. So don't take it personally. Uh,

Starting point is 00:37:53 but it tends to my, my experience is that suburb people tend to be a lot more willing to travel for things than city people, uh, because they're just kind of used to it it's kind of like the same way that um canadians uh canadians are more accustomed to shopping in in u.s dollars than americans are to trying to convert their currency to anything like you have conversations with americans and you're like yeah well you know why don't we just travel there and they're like i don't have a passport and you're like why don't well, you know, why don't we just travel there? And they're like, I don't have a passport. And you're like, why don't you have a passport?

Starting point is 00:38:26 Like pretty much, yeah. Every Canadian I know has a passport. It's a given. Whereas in America, it seems like it's kind of normal to just not have a passport. Well, what do I need a passport for? Yeah. But also every Canadian, you know, is within like half an hour of the border. That's true.

Starting point is 00:38:44 That's true. If you look at the percentage of the Canadian population that lives within, I think it's two hours of the border or something. It's like 90%. Yeah, this is true. But like, so it's all kind of what's normal to you, right? So I tend to find that suburb people are willing to cross bridges and cross boundaries. And city people have a much lower willingness. Like their lifestyle just isn't, doesn't account for that.

Starting point is 00:39:09 See, I grew up where... I think part of it's city taxes funding. I think it was about an 18 minute drive to the nearest place where you could get a jug of milk. So for me, it's like, yeah, I have to drive half an hour to somewhere. It's like, yeah, okay. Yeah. And?

Starting point is 00:39:25 Pretty normal. Whereas like, okay, for the badminton center, for example, like a lot, yeah, I have to drive half an hour to somewhere. It's like, yeah, okay. Yeah. And pretty normal. Whereas like, okay, for the badminton center, for example, like a lot of my badminton buddies are like Richmond, Vancouver dwellers. And I was like, yeah, well, it's about, it's about 30, you know, 33 minutes or something for you. And they're like, want to get in on the best savings hack ever. Only Kudo saves you up to 40% on a sweet phone plan, reliable home internet, and all the streaming you could ever need with Netflix, Disney Plus, and Amazon Prime.

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Starting point is 00:40:06 Only at... CUDO! Now with internet. Yeah, I don't know. Okay, yeah, fair enough. I get it. I get it. So I think part of it is taxes funding.

Starting point is 00:40:20 I read up a while ago on stadiums and how a lot of them like don't even really make money yeah and a lot of it's just like oh man if you want to go by the cities if you want to go down like a painful painful like corruption back alley deal rabbit hole just look into any publicly Any publicly subsidized stadium deal. Yeah. It hurts. Yeah. Man. The chats are like. I don't remember the last time I saw them this active. About something that is basically not even what we're talking about anymore. Talking about passports.

Starting point is 00:40:59 Oh. Like yeah. I don't. I have no passport gang. Like what? Why do you have a passport? Like yeah I don't I have no passport gang like what why do you have a passport It's one of those things that just

Starting point is 00:41:07 Seems to split people right down The middle everyone I know Is super opinionated About it the people that I know That have a passport are like How on earth do you not How could you possibly function without A passport for me it's your secondary

Starting point is 00:41:23 ID if you ever lose your wallet it enables you to travel internationally if you really you know flip and needed to whatever and then everyone that i have ever encountered who doesn't have a passport is like yeah and what do you mean what would anyone goes for yeah i'm just like there's there doesn't appear to be a lot of middle the first person i ran into that was like that i actually like sat down and was like okay i need to have a conversation with you to just like, there doesn't appear to be a lot of middle ground. The first person I ran into that was like that, I actually like sat down and was like, okay, I need to have a conversation with you to just like understand. Because it seemed so foreign to me. But I think like if you live, you know, not, I've lived within 30 minutes or less from a border my entire life.

Starting point is 00:42:02 If that's not your situation, it's be different yeah 100% what if you're in your 30s and you've literally never had a reason to have one why would you keep paying to renew it I mean sure I don't know yeah I use passports to get on domestic flights even because it just feels weird not using yeah it's like but you don't have to you travel yeah I get your passport yeah exactly like it what do you mean? I remember someone was with me We were going to Toronto for work, and they didn't bring their passport, and I was like worried They weren't gonna let them on the plane. They're like no. It's a domestic flight. We're not changing countries, and I'm like But it's a we're gonna go to plane

Starting point is 00:42:39 It's just it's routine like when we're driving to the airport. It's like passport checks. Yeah, everyone like make sure they have their passport But you have to have it when you go to the airport right come on Anyways, yeah gaming has been Insane lately I Gaming has been wild lately I I have more criticism for Starfield I also believe that 90 plus percent of the issues that I've had are solvable by modding. Therefore, it being a Bethesda game means they will almost certainly be solved by modding, which is great.

Starting point is 00:43:13 And I feel like I'm getting to the point in Bethesda games now where I'm running into factions and side quest situations that are getting very interesting. So I'm satisfied with the game thus far. Moving on, though. Games this year have been wild and I think it took Baldur's Gate 3 coming out uh for me to fully accept that we are in a fantastic era of gaming like genuinely Baldur's Gate 3 is amazing Starfield looks it's definitely interesting we'll leave it there um Sea of Stars is one of the highest rated games

Starting point is 00:43:43 I've seen in a long time I'm super excited excited to play, but I'm not going to play until I finish Chained Echoes, which I'm very close. I'm on the final dungeon, so I'm ready to pick up Sea of Stars. He's digging Chained Echoes, which came out. Dave the Diver is super sick. I don't think it was a year ago, but it was last year. Elden Ring came out and just smashed, completely smashed. Twos of the Kingdom absolutely fantastic.

Starting point is 00:44:05 Did I mention Armored Core already? No. Armored Core incredibly great. Yeah I think you were you were saying earlier that you are at the first you're at a point right now where for the first time in basically as long as you remember you have a back cattle our back queue of games to play all of which are are from like this year and all of the last 12 months. Amazing. I can't keep up,

Starting point is 00:44:30 which is like frustrating. Cause like I've been waiting for Starfield for, I don't know, six years or something, but Baldur's Gate came out and it's an amazing game. And I have to like, you put it down to, yeah,

Starting point is 00:44:43 you haven't, if you work full timetime and have family obligations, I think it's fair to say that there has not been enough time to completionist enjoy Baldur's Gate and now move on to Starfield. No. When did Baldur's Gate 3 come out? It was just a few weeks ago or something.

Starting point is 00:45:01 Maybe a month. Things have been a little crazy around here. At least like our record is short. Less than a month. August 3rd. And that's a big game. And that is an amazing game. 29 days.

Starting point is 00:45:10 That deserves like replays and deserves thorough playthroughs. Because like I'm hoping to play again with them soon. It's not even out on every platform yet. Yeah, like they're still rolling out. They're still launching massive, not DLCs, just updates that are adding like content and fixes to the game like the the layering studios is a fantastic Studio that is treating the game extremely well And it's a I don't know what to do. I don't have enough time. I can't play all this stuff I I'm I'm planning on like rotating them a little bit but that just means i feel like i'm never going to finish but um i ball there's gate three deserves deserves the attention so i

Starting point is 00:45:50 don't want to completely put it down either but like there's even like things with ball there's gate there's uh and there's complaints about all these games right i'm not saying any of them are perfect um like in ball there's gate ploof brought up something that I think is a really good point where in tabletop RPGs like if you walk up to a scenario if you if you turn around a corner, and there's the one who's has a Beam from a house on top of them And they're like trying to get off of them and you have to strength check to try to help them pick it up if this Was a tabletop RPG your strongest character would go do it, but in Baldur's Gate. It's whatever one got around the corner first And you can't switch so if it's like your wizard. He's probably gonna fail

Starting point is 00:46:30 That's kind of unfortunate, but I don't even care Now I'm sorry basically I'll just spam healing spells on you. So you just stay in pain the whole time No, it's it's it's that's more of a cleric thing yeah it is i just uh thought i'd point that out he's right that's not really a thing magic missile by curing that oh magic missile my ailment was healed but now I have blunt force trauma um yeah I know Baldur's Gate is incredible

Starting point is 00:47:11 all these games there's more that I forgot to mention um it's just been it's a it's been a wild ride and I think I think it's good to recognize when we're in these times because when you look back on it later and you're like man games kind of suck right now but remember that time that was great i should have appreciated more like no i appreciate it now these games are awesome we're in a very very very very strong era of gaming and it's great all right dan i think we're ready for whatever the next thing is here topic two 20 minutes ago that was topic two really. Topic two, 20 minutes ago. That was topic two. Really? Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:47:46 Yeah, that was 20 minutes of topic two. That's fine. I suspect you're pretty busy with merch messages today. Okay, then what are merch messages, Linus? I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, right. I'm supposed to explain merch messages. You know what?

Starting point is 00:47:58 Just for fun, I have to get logged into the dashboard. Why doesn't Luke explain merch messages today? Merch messages are our solution to the problems that we're having with Super Chat. And to be completely honest, at this point, we just like them more anyways. You can use merch messages by going to lttstore.com, purchasing an item. And then when you're in the cart, actually, so this is before you've purchased, you can select to enter a statement or a question or just send some form of message to us on the show. Dan will then see that message

Starting point is 00:48:25 it might be answered by dan down here um if it's not a question or anything it's very likely it'll just be shown on screen uh or if it is a question that uh dan particularly thinks that linus or myself i did that your name's gesturing with my hands backwards but it's all good um if he decides that we should answer it then he will curate it for us to directly address, which is cool, and it costs nothing. You have to buy something off the store, but the merch message itself is a free add-on. Yeah, it's our solution to, we think it's kind of weird

Starting point is 00:48:56 that people just throw money at screens. Yeah, you should get something, so now you get merch. I've been asked a lot of times why I don't disable Super Chats then, and my response is people want to use it people really want to throw money at the screen go for it am i gonna stop them we think this is no better yes because at least this way if we if we don't acknowledge your money throwing or whatever else hey you still get some high quality merchandise in the mail and of course this week you could be

Starting point is 00:49:26 getting some um new high quality merchandise that's right it's finally launched the stubby screwdriver have you seen this in person you probably have yeah okay uh i don't know let's do the luke cam anyway don't worry dan you don't have to get up but luke is going to show off all the different varieties of stubby screwdrivers we have Actually, that's not all four so it's available in all black plastic So that's the one you've got there. We go all black plastic with the silver shaft It's available in all black plastic with the black shaft which may or may not last that long Like that you do great moves great it's available in all a black plastic

Starting point is 00:50:08 with the our orange and black with the silver shaft and orange and black with the black shaft the black shaft might not stick around forever because it does still have the same issues with the plating on the full-sized one where it's not going to look like that forever it It's going to patina over time. Some people like it. They really like their worn black shafts, and they wanted it to be available for the stubby, so we kind of went, okay, sure.

Starting point is 00:50:34 But it's probably not going to stick around forever. The silver one is a much more durable finish. I saw a picture of someone who worked in a mechanics shop of some sort, and they had a very worn LTT screwdriver that was black shaft, so it had that used patina, and then also clearly used for some heavy applications, so some amount of wear on the rest of it too,

Starting point is 00:50:54 and it actually looked pretty sick. But if you're not into that type of thing, I would not recommend it. Hey, do you want to talk about bit storage? So it has the same pop-out bit storage as the full-size driver, but instead of 12 bits, it only takes one row of six bits. So you've got a Philips Zero, a one, and a two.

Starting point is 00:51:11 You've got a couple of different flatheads, and then you've got our classic magnetic bit, which works together with our super-strong magnet in the shaft to hold on to basically anything you want. So you can, like, poke in and grab something if you really need. It has exactly the same. That's an aluminum water bottle, but good try. Oh wait, no, is it? I actually don't remember what our water bottles are made of,

Starting point is 00:51:32 but whatever, it's not going to stick to it. It uses the exact same well-known ratchet mechanism. In fact, Project Farm tested it and found that, yes, it has super low back force. That is a magnet, Luke. That's cheating. Oh my goodness Don't oversell it something metal

Starting point is 00:51:51 Me right now, yeah, sorry, I don't know Anyway, the point is it's everything you like about the full-size driver, but stubby er so we've got that on the store now We also have oh, guess i oh i guess the short circuit for this hasn't gone out yet so i should probably explain why it's not that much cheaper uh it's not that much cheaper because it costs almost the same amount yeah most of the cost is in the ratchet ratchet which is the same size and it's exactly the same ratchet so all we're saving actually thanks for that Luke all we're saving is this much plastic six bits and then this much raw metal material like the actual tooling time for the shaft is not that

Starting point is 00:52:38 different and then the shooting time for the plastic is identical because you just you shoot it into a machine like it's the same um so there's there's almost no savings on it so it's um yeah so it's basically not that much cheaper ah but we have some other really cool stuff have you seen all the solid color drivers yet no i actually haven't well i see them right now but i haven't seen them like up close This is all this is a lot is he gonna hand me these because this is a lot So from the build your own screwdriver booth at LTX We wanted to make sure that we had enough of every piece in every color So that nobody would walk away without the exact color that they wanted, but we were looking at it going, oh, well, gee, that's a lot of...

Starting point is 00:53:26 That's a lot of combinations. That's a lot of wasted plastic parts if we're not going to... If we don't sell them all, so what are we going to do? Just shred them? Well, that would be stupid and wasteful. So no, we're not going to do that. We are going to assemble them into solid color drivers. So Luke can show off all the different colors of drivers here. gonna do that we are going to assemble them into solid color drivers so Luke

Starting point is 00:53:45 can show off all the all the different colors of drivers here we've got blue raspberry pink pizzazz red vibrancy I'm just making these up as I go eggplant orange that doesn't really look orange on camera but looks quite orange in person don't worry about that green sizzle and electric yellow not bad i don't know i'm doing i'm doing my best over here not too bad i think they're all i think they're just called red pink purple orange we're really creative about our naming sometimes you are yeah sometimes often not though um and then the last thing that is available this one is especially limited time oh is this is this drop down new yeah oh super yeah the the facelift hit the uh hit the store

Starting point is 00:54:40 so there's uh there's other changes other than that but the the there's a hover menu uh at the top now which i i think personally adds a ton of usability to the site um and it works in dark and light mode can you still get these and shoot anyway i'm not certain um there's also the sizing chart if you check out one of the, shirts, the sizing chart is new and significantly better. There's also lots of other small changes, but those are, I think, the main ones. And where do I see that? I think it's in product description. Oh, size guide.

Starting point is 00:55:18 Sorry. Right under the, right over quantity, above quantity. Oh, wow. Okay. Hey. Oh oh super cool. So pops up like a modal type thing which is a little bit more clear And also doesn't break the formatting of the site which is good, okay? Yeah, the last thing I wanted to talk about was mystery color screwdriver This is as you can imagine if people were building

Starting point is 00:55:46 you know whatever drivers they wanted at LTX, and then we took the leftovers and we made them into solid color drivers, we can't control what people are going to use, and we can't control how many are going to be left, so we probably ended up with a bit of a poop mix of random pieces that didn't really match anything. So rather than waste those, we decided to go through the very manual process of assembling them into mystery drivers. These will come in any rando combination. They actually do cost more than a regular driver because of how manual the process of creating these is at our

Starting point is 00:56:25 3pl they just do cost us more but hey at least they come with this pin look a pin they love pins it comes with a pin it does see i i've i i have in the past i've always been like skeptical about about pins um that that's the context for what i'm doing right now but luke assures me that people are are super into pins i don't particularly care much but some people are really into the pins dan can you move us so that i can um so i can see this picture i think the people need to see the pin this is the pin next to the logo on an ltt backpack look it's a pin that wasn't you just deleted us oh did you oh oh we're back oh yeah we can delete him too oh we can watch this boom deleted poor dan all right he's gonna make a starfield character that looks like you

Starting point is 00:57:20 and then he's gonna jump off a planet oh okay there's one last thing to talk about for the uh it's dark oh how do you jump off of what is wrong with you jumping off of two more things for the store but there are more there are less things for us to announce to you and more things for you guys to tell us we are working on a pet bed. It's going to be kind of cat or small dog sized. It's about the size of like a 19 to 21 inch CRT monitor. And it's got an opening in the front where the glass would be. And so the pet can crawl into it and hang out in a little like, and it looks, it looks super cool. It's like beige, like a, like a CRT. It's like beige, like a CRT.

Starting point is 00:58:05 And what we wanted to know was for the pillow inside, would you guys prefer something that's more like a fuzzy finish, kind of like our CPU pillows, or do you guys want the more shiny finish? So the pros and cons both ways. This is going to gather hair more, but it's going to be more comfortable and soft. Whereas the other one is going to be easier to brush hair off of,

Starting point is 00:58:37 but it's maybe going to be a little bit less comfortable. So I'm going to run a poll for that now, unless Luke is already working on the poll. I see him typing things. No, I'm typing other stuff. What do you want the poll to be? Luke's doing completely unrelated typing things. What do you want the poll to be Luke's doing completely unrelated typing things what do you want the poll to be um soft material so for the um for the pet bed for the pillow inside soft material or soft material like the CPU pillow or yeah or the more slick sleek like um like silky

Starting point is 00:59:01 smooth material so easier to wash or softer basically um like the the silky material the the benefit is easier to wash right exactly less likely to gather gather as much hair and the benefit of the soft material is just it's soft it's softer cool yeah no matter what we're going to make sure that the cover is removable so that it can be machine washed uh we're just we're just getting your guys feedback on like what kind of material, what direction to go. And then the other bit that we wanted to talk to you guys about is if you're someone who wears 4XL, 5XL, 4XL, 5XL, or 6XL, we are looking for alpha slash beta testers for our extended sizing, both locally in the Lower Mainland and in other regions. So we've got a place where you guys can sign up if you're interested.

Starting point is 00:59:47 It's a topic on the forum, and I'm just going to show it to you guys. Men's Extended Sizing Fittings by LMG Community. If you guys want to go find this, it's under LTT Official, ltstore.com, merch, and you can go seek it out. So we could get you guys some of the early samples that we have. You can give us feedback. We want these things to work for you Something to note is that we aren't working on the tall sizes yet, so this is not a 4xl t or a 5xl t That we're hoping will come later. We want to do the standard height

Starting point is 01:00:22 Bigger XL sizes first um uh bigger excel sizes first um so we actually yeah we're asking for heights between five nine and six foot so i am personally excluded i am too short we want stormtrooper height people between five nine and six foot yeah sorry luke neither of us are allowed get wrecked we're both bad uh looks like around 70 so far at least 70 ish percent of people want soft material and 30-ish percent want slick material. Someone did bring up a pretty interesting point, though, where if you pick the soft material one and then, or if you pick the slick material one and then put a blanket over it. Yeah, I can tell you now the shape of the inside is going to be a little bit irregular. now the shape of the inside is going to be a little bit irregular. So the wrapping the blanket around the bottom might be a little bit funky because it's kind of a T shaped pillow because of the shape of the CRT.

Starting point is 01:01:10 So the pillow sits in the bottom and the front of the CRT is like a wide and then the back narrows like a monitor. Okay. So it's a, so it's a T shaped. Is this a dog bed or like a dog cave? It's a cave. Those exist. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It's a, and it's it so it's a t-shaped is this a dog better like a dog cave. It's a case those exist, okay? Yeah, yes, okay. Yeah, it's and it's it's more cat sized just to be that

Starting point is 01:01:31 Because that might change the answer oh, I don't know That's I mean I said it's in the shape of a CRT and you go in through the screen. Okay? I wasn't I was paying attention. Yeah clearly not To where's messages? Yeah, oh yeah sure hit us Dan. Let's see. What do we got? What do we got? yeah clearly not two merge messages yeah oh yeah sure hit us Dan let's see what do we got what do we got what's

Starting point is 01:01:48 the return rate of those screwdrivers is the normal screwdriver allowed to be brought on a commercial flight oh you have to check bag it I think I haven't checked with the team lately but I believe

Starting point is 01:02:01 our overall return rate is somewhere in the neighborhood of one percent maybe like one percent and change that's pretty good that's that's about what you would target for a successful project yeah yeah yeah it's very good though it seems pretty good yeah we're really happy yeah and yeah don't don't take it in the cabin of a or don't try to take it in the cabin of a plane it'll it'll get confiscated by security yeah you can take the stubby on a flight even then though i just wouldn't recommend i would check bag just check your tools if they don't like it they're they're gonna try to take it from you yep just think of your screwdriver as your

Starting point is 01:02:33 privilege and check it yeah i don't know where i was going with that next up for linus yeah question for linus what has been the most interesting thing you've learned from working with the engineers in the lab um sorry i uh i i tuned out for a second someone was upset that the screwdriver pin only comes with the mystery and the solid color screwdriver it doesn't come with it it's like 10 bucks yeah so it's like it's it's a value add but it's like, it's a value add, but it's, I mean, they cost more. We're just, it costs us more to make the things, more than like the cost of a pin. We're just trying to make it so that it's like overall a good value package. We're trying to do a good thing.

Starting point is 01:03:18 I'm sorry. I'm sorry the pin didn't come with your thing. Okay, sorry, Dan. That's okay. What has been the most interesting thing you have learned from working with the engineers in the lab? Oh, I mean, it's less like the things that I have learned and more the process of working with them has been really enjoyable. Like we have a co-op student right now who you guys are going to meet for the first time sometime either this weekend or early next week. We got our hands on a Soviet-era mouse that's almost as old as me.

Starting point is 01:03:52 I think it was manufactured in like 91 or something like that, 91 or 92. So it's, yeah, not quite your age, I guess, but darn close. And, you know, when we first got it, we thought, oh, cool, it's cereal. So we'll just plug it into any computer with the cereal. Okay. Was it an unknown? Looked like cereal. Interesting.

Starting point is 01:04:14 But it was kind of like, it was as similar to cereal as my former Soviet stepdad's thing that he would call breakfast cereal was to the kind of cereal that I like to eat he would just take a loaf of bread and he would rip it into chunks and he would put it into a cup not a bowl a cup for some reason he would pour milk over it and then he would just like eat it with his hands and I was he was like yeah it's Russian cereal I'm like that sounds so much worse than just consuming both of those things individually yeah i i never really um like wow that sounds so much worse yeah i have done the like i just take a piece of bread because i have nothing else to eat and just mash it into a ball and then eat that because i find the texture more interesting. Like I've been there,

Starting point is 01:05:08 but I would eat that and then drink the milk, not do it at the same time. I don't know, man. But all right. Yeah, sounds good. Yeah, I'm sorry. I really can't clarify this for you any more than I already have because no amount of explanation from him

Starting point is 01:05:18 has ever made it make sense to me. The point is that it was not cereal, just like his cereal is not cereal. So working with, you know what, I'm just going to let you guys meet him because, yeah, he's going to be in that video. So working with him on it, he managed to get it to first go from absolutely nothing to it moves, but we can only move in one direction along one axis. At a time?

Starting point is 01:05:46 Nope, at all. Oh, no. Well, first we got to click. Then we got to moving along one axis. We learned all kinds of cool stuff. So you're saying it's powered along one axis. Stop it. That was post-Soviet anyway.

Starting point is 01:06:03 It was funny, though. Don't you start. Or pre-pre-soviet oh wait hold on a second yeah no that was yeah no the so sorry yeah no i've got my uh okay all right all right okay sorry sorry i was i was thinking 90s yeah yeah yeah no so yeah the soviets were an axis power i guess well hold on were they i think i'm pretty sure. You got the Germans, the Italians. Okay, hold on. Who was the Axis? Axis powers.

Starting point is 01:06:31 No. No, the Soviets weren't Axis. They were allied. I thought they were at the beginning. Five other nations joined. Did they start there and then they flipped? Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria. Okay, hold on.

Starting point is 01:06:42 People are... No, they were not Axis. Okay, so I don't even feel... What about at the very beginning i don't know were they just neutral or not involved or something are you talking world war one or two two uh yeah i think that i thought they were at the very or the yeah i'm not thinking italy i probably just don't understand the point is i didn't get the joke and i don't feel bad yeah sounds good The point is, I didn't get the joke and I don't feel bad. Yeah, sounds good. Boom, got him. I didn't get the joke for a completely different reason, though.

Starting point is 01:07:09 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. The USSR de facto allied with Germany for the invasion of Poland. But then later on, it was flipped. So this is, I don't know if that was part of the, I might be getting some stuff wrong, but I'm not like, yeah, anyways. It's fine. Okay, moving on. The point is, it was really fun working fine okay moving on the point is it was really fun working with the labs on the project as they you know dug through random Russian

Starting point is 01:07:30 forums with Google Translate and managed to get that you know spoiler managed to get the mouse working enough that I was able to play a modern FPS game with it Don't involve Lee Jensen! Stop stalling the show! That's... I'm just gonna... there you go. You get your own. Good job. Linus is angry. I'm just gonna let him burn himself out over here. It's okay, we're good. We can move on. All right. Why don't we do another topic here?

Starting point is 01:08:12 Wait, did we do two merch messages? We did. Yes. Okay. I fix it. Bringing the fight for right to repair to McDonald's. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:23 I fix it. This is hilarious and cool. This is so cool. They bought and tore down a McDonald's ice cream machine in order to determine the cause of their well-known unreliability. In terms of hardware, as you'd probably expect for an industrial piece of equipment that has like a tiny crappy little display on it and otherwise does basically nothing other than squirt out cold stuff the guts of the machine are pretty basic they consist of a

Starting point is 01:08:50 compressor a motor and circuit boards however the machines are prone to overheating and around 10 percent of mcdonald's ice cream machines are broken at any given time which is remarkable and another incredible rabbit hole that i would strongly recommend it's very interesting the issue appears to be mostly software-based the machine's once daily repasteurization cycle takes around four hours to complete but it is easily disrupted and often needs to be manually reset the machine will frequently throw out confusing error codes which have to be interpreted using an obtusely written manual. According to a long-standing contract, all McDonald's ice cream machines are built

Starting point is 01:09:35 and must be repaired by Taylor, the company that makes them. Taylor is typically slow to respond to requests, and 25% of Taylor's profits come from the service technicians that are called out to fix these machines. And get this, they cost $315 every 15 minutes. So what does that work out to? $1,260 an hour. Wow.

Starting point is 01:10:01 I need a raise. No kidding. Well, you're going to have to go to the ice cream machine repair industry. I got some bad news. I chose the wrong career. I got some bad news for you. What? The technicians aren't the ones making that money.

Starting point is 01:10:14 Duh. Got them. Duh. At one point, a startup called Kitsch developed a device that automatically interprets the machine's error codes, allowing franchise owners to conduct their own basic repairs. However, this is great. McDonald's head office pressured franchisees to stop using it. It's just getting paid off.

Starting point is 01:10:41 Pockets lined. So now, iFixit is petitioning the copyright office for an exemption that allows third-party repair workers to fix industrial and commercial equipment however in order to bypass taylor's digital locks they are also requesting that congress addressed flaws in the dmca that protects this kind of behavior let's go letFixit. Love it. I mean, you know what? There are certain industries where I think you can at least make an argument. If we're talking about a machine that keeps your heart beating, I think that if a manufacturer were to say, look, we should really be the only ones to service this thing, there's at

Starting point is 01:11:20 least an argument to be made, even if the medical industry is extremely predatory and all the same things we're looking at here are happening except in those cases it's life and death so it's it reaches a whole new level of amorality i'm not arguing any of that i'd like to make that actually clear so that this you know doesn't end up being misinterpreted yeah it's disgusting but at least there's an argument to be made and maybe maybe uh i think some arguments could be made there too where like building a code interpreter might be okay in that scenario and then certain levels of repairs to certain things might be okay but there's like certain levels of repairs that should really be done by fully certified technicians etc etc i don't know but

Starting point is 01:12:06 um but an ice cream machine this is not life or death for the most part i mean anything consumable probably is but as anyone who's ever worked in a commercial kitchen will tell you you know that the the repasteurization cycle on the ice cream machine is probably the least of your concerns. Yeah, I think... Have all three of us worked in food service at some point? I haven't. Really? I went straight into lifeguarding.

Starting point is 01:12:38 That was my first job. And I'm glad I did from everything that I've heard. But if you guys want to tell some stories, I always find these to be highly amusing. I would be careful of ordering taco pizzas from shops that you don't think taco pizzas get ordered from often. And why would that be? Because the sour cream sure might not be that new. I mean, it's supposed to be sour. Real sour.

Starting point is 01:13:08 That would be my main thing, is like, consider to a certain degree how often the place you're ordering from is going through the ingredient that you're ordering. Get this. First response in chat is, what the f*** is a taco pizza? So that should give you some idea

Starting point is 01:13:23 how often these are getting ordered. Which is a big part of Luke's problem with them. Yeah, they exist. And it's like the only thing that gets sour cream in the whole shop. So just think about it. If that pizza place is famous for their taco pizza, maybe it's fine. Sure. But if you're like, wait, what the heck?

Starting point is 01:13:44 Taco pizza exists. Just consider it. That's all I would say. They might be completely fine. They might be totally above board. They might use the sour cream and other things. They might be very diligent about making sure that they're replacing expired sour cream. But I guarantee you they're not all that way.

Starting point is 01:14:03 So just, yeah yeah that's it what's yours we need we need a story oh that's pretty nice that sounds like a lot of work. And that, yeah. The baker started at like six with the set menu, and the baker started at five a.m. Oh, they can't hear you.

Starting point is 01:14:36 Oh, I thought you did that too. Whoops. I used to work in fine dining. Okay, you guys get the story now. We'll just... Yeah, just do it again. Do it again. I used to work in fine dining. It guys get the story now we'll just um yeah just do it again i used to

Starting point is 01:14:46 work in fine dining uh it was a little bit different i don't know if i have any bad stories but uh yeah everything was clean top to bottom every single day uh all the ingredients were fresh every day and was pretty much only what we could get that day uh leftovers like our veal stock and things like that would be made from leftovers from the previous day's service and then boiled overnight and then skimmed and basically continued into the rest of stuff fresh bread every single day all that sort of thing i don't know desserts so what's this restaurant so i can exclusively eat there? Or you don't have to name it. I won't name it publicly.

Starting point is 01:15:28 Sure. But I'll tell you if you want. I don't know if it's the same. I haven't worked there in a long time. I think that's part of my point, though, is like, consider the restaurant that you're going to. And if you're like, ah, this place definitely pays everyone that's working there absolute minimum wage and like doesn't treat their employees well and is like a little not that amazing. And they have something that has. i got a good tip for you taco sour cream stuff on it and we don't think it's going to sell that much consider ordering that because their their cleanliness levels and

Starting point is 01:15:55 stuff might not be that amazing but other places it might be fine i want to hear dan's tip will they give you a tour of the kitchen imagine that getting a tip from a waiter i was back at house that's pretty interesting all right yeah we used to do tours of uh of the kitchen you did tours of the kitchen yeah if you had a nice client in who was like i'd really like to meet the chef this meal was lovely and we bring them back in you know floors are done i don't think i've ever eaten at the kind of restaurant you worked at. Oh. Yeah, maybe not. Would it occur to you in a thousand years to ask the server if you could have a tour of the kitchen and meet the chef?

Starting point is 01:16:30 No. I mean, that's like super cool and sounds really fancy and awesome or whatever. Would you do that for everyone or does they have to like have spent enough? It didn't happen very often, but you know, I think it's the kind of guy

Starting point is 01:16:40 who would come in there and be like, this was nice. I got to meet this chef. That kind of person doesn't come through very often, if you know what I mean. Yeah, fair enough. I mean, it was clean enough, and we ran a tight enough ship that that was totally fine. Jake from the lab says, my story. X was a professional chef, worked at a high-end steakhouse in Bristol.

Starting point is 01:17:00 And if anybody ordered a well-done steak, the chefs would toss it on the ground first and call it floor spice I think that's like a crime That is just that is just a crime I think yeah Uh, that's like a game. Well, I don't know about in bristol But here I think you'd be breaking like actual laws around food I mean I can tell you this I dropped one of the burger patties from the party from the pool party I have no idea who ate it but they're not dead so okay but you're not a restaurant i'm really not i think i think

Starting point is 01:17:33 it makes a more of a ghost kitchen yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there you go and and and and and hold on hold on hold on hold on it was oh chat um it was pre Being cooked, I was cooking Them from frozen, so it like Basically, I might as well have dropped a piece Of plastic on the floor in terms of like How much, you know, ground Schmoo, oh this is outdoors mind you Uh, but like, how much

Starting point is 01:17:58 Porch schmoo it managed to pick up And it was pre-cooking It obviously, so it spent The next like, nine minutes or whatever at 400 degrees celsius so it's like whatever was on it is dead um it might have been me who ate it one in like 45 chance that it was me so probably not but um uh some people are saying that i i'm traumatized by this taco pizza i i actually i got in a debate with my boss at the time About it. We had like a little fight about it because he was like ordering people to serve expired sour cream

Starting point is 01:18:32 And I was like pissed but I was also like 12 So there were limitations to what I could accomplish. Oh, sorry 400 Fahrenheit 400 friend. We cook in Fahrenheit up here I've got and we did we did get complaintsaints about it so like it actually was like a Big thing but yeah To clarify they would Toss it on the ground pre-cooking thanks Jake That's very helpful but they Were probably not cooking from frozen

Starting point is 01:18:55 So they probably picked up a lot more floor Schmoo yeah Anyways let's move On was two more topics Okay what The Anyways, let's move on. Two more topics. Oh, okay. What the f***? Oh, man. People at Floatplane Chat are going through their experiences.

Starting point is 01:19:16 I worked for Timmy's when I was 17. I could write a book with the stuff I've seen people do. My direct manager was so lazy. She used to scoop the chocolate out of the tubs with her bare hands into the warming bins. Also, never order the broccoli cheddar soup. Hashtag facts. I think that's one of my examples, though. How many people are gonna order broccoli cheddar soup from Tim's?

Starting point is 01:19:35 I've eaten it. I like broccoli soup. Oh. I'm really unhappy about it right now. I get chili from Tim's. This might be just as bad. Oh, no, the chili is... Okay, this is all hearsay,

Starting point is 01:19:51 but what I have heard said is that especially if you're at a Tim's-Wendy's combo restaurant, the chili is made of the meat that is not good enough to put in a burger anymore. Nice, that makes sense. I don't know if that's true. That could be not a fact. I don't think that's true because I don't think they make makes sense. I don't know if that's true. That could be not a fact. I don't think that's true because I don't think they make it there.

Starting point is 01:20:08 I don't think they just heat it up. I think it comes to the store. I don't know. That was an interesting tip someone gave me. If you want to figure out if the restaurant that you're at is just reheating things, ask them to make a small change to a soup. CH-5609 says perpetual chili. Oh, man. CH5609 says perpetual chili Oh man Yeah cool

Starting point is 01:20:31 Wendy's chili is burger meat apparently Chat says it I don't know if this is true I don't know if this is true Yeah I don't know if it's true Okay So I don't know I feel's true. Okay. So.

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Starting point is 01:23:24 we've ever done though, but I don't even want to i don't think it's the spiciest one we've ever done though but i don't even want to reference the one that i think was spicier yeah i think i know what you're talking about i don't think we're going to talk about that yeah was it a long time ago no oh okay then you're probably wrong oh Hmm. Alright. Yeah! Cool. Uh, Lenovo! What? Oh, three merch- oh, sorry Dan, hit us. Uh, let's see. Any chance of even more special bits for the screwdriver? Hold on, they're texting each other.

Starting point is 01:23:57 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay, yeah. I was wrong. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, I was wrong. I forgot about that.

Starting point is 01:24:11 Sorry, Dan, keep going. That's totally fine. Yeah, enjoy your moment. It's a funny thing to all the people that are like, you know, yeah, why does Linus keep putting his foot in his mouth lately? It ain't new, man. Just, oh, no hints. Nope, nope, sorry nope nope sorry go dan we're moving on he asked if there's going to be more specialty bits for the screwdrivers the answer is yes uh we are planning oh hey dan throw me that thing that you were fidgeting with earlier luke has a division thing with okay cool uh is this uh which version of the bearing is this uh The bad one. Not the new one.

Starting point is 01:24:45 This is not the new one. No. Okay. So I'm just going to go like this. And then I'm going to talk about some of the different screwdriver bits that we have planned. I know that we have some additional head types for the quarter-inch hex drive ones, like the full-size and the stubby. And then we also have a full

Starting point is 01:25:05 set of bits that is going to come with our precision driver at some point i just want to clarify still going and this is the bad version this is the bad this is the crunchy one it didn't quite stop before you moved i do want to clarify that the point of this driver is not to compete directly with someone like an i fix it we love i love iFixit. We love their mission. There's so many things that they do that we are just not even going to begin to approach. I love what they've done with the McDonald's things, the teardowns, the guides. But we do think there's space for a...

Starting point is 01:25:37 Fidget toy premium driver. Fidget toy grade driver that also has bit storage. It's going to probably be quite a bit more expensive than the iFixit driver. Fidget toy grade driver that also has bit storage. It's going to probably be quite a bit more expensive than the iFixit driver. You saw the one with the big back rest, right? It had the giant pommel on the back. Yeah, so one of the features that's going to differentiate ours is we're trying to do interchangeable tops. So you could have one that really is just a precision driver with a fidget toy at the top. Do you know how long it's spun for?

Starting point is 01:26:06 No, I don't. Seven minutes. That's pretty cool. Was that with the good bearing, though? I don't know. I don't even think they have them in yet. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, so we'll have all kinds of different bits coming.

Starting point is 01:26:17 And in the long term, we would love to allow people to just order individual bits and make their own sets. But for the time being, we can only do them as packs just because of how kind of relatively unsophisticated our pick and pack procedures are. Okay, another merch message? Sure, sure, sure. Let's see. Are you fidgeting with that under the table? Because I can definitely hear that from Mike.

Starting point is 01:26:42 Oh, yeah. Sorry, I'll stop. Yeah, I shouldn't have left it with him. I need to need to put it down yeah uh let's see this thing seems fun given ltd's growth would you ever consider private jet travel for yourself or other employees instead of booking an airline ticket um it's one of those things that i i think would be kind of fun to experience once, but I am, um, I, I'm, I'm, I don't want to be judgy, but I'm personally kind of opposed to the private, um, air travel industry. I don't think it's, uh, I don't think it's, I don't think it sends a good message. I don't think it's particularly, um, helpful in't think it's particularly helpful in a lot of ways. Obviously, it helps people save time. Other than that, there's some stuff about it that I find, you know...

Starting point is 01:27:34 How do I put this? I'm not a fan, personally. I've only flown first class... once. Hey, me too, exactly once. Yeah. it happened to be, it wasn't my choice. Yeah. It happened to be just the ticket they booked. Um, like in the early days of the company, I would have people offer it often. And what I would always say is, um, I can't pay my staff with a first class plane ticket. So what I would actually like you to do is, um, since I know you have the budget for it,

Starting point is 01:28:07 you can pay me another couple grand and we'll do the deal and, uh, I'll fly coach. I have pulled that move a lot of times over the years. Um, and so, yeah, I just, I, there's a lot of things about it that make me kind of uncomfortable. And I get that this is something that people either don't believe or don't want to hear or, or whatever else, but I don't actually like feeling separated. I, I, like even at our lands, we have staff areas that are cordoned off for people who prefer that but i prefer to just sit with everyone like i don't um i don't like to be separated there are reasons that that is like probably kind of better if i actually wanted to play games because people do interrupt me a lot um but i just i don't know It's not something that I'm particularly comfortable with.

Starting point is 01:29:09 I've sprung for some economy plus seats before. Well, you're tall. I have no excuse. I'm also a weird form of tall because almost all my height comes in my torso. And I have very broad shoulders. So if I sit in a middle seat, it's actually just like rude to everyone because my shoulders will be in their seats. Like it, I cannot avoid it. So if there's only middle seats left in the like standard coach section, I'll, I'll often spring a little bit more to try to get in like economy plus I'm never going to do business or anything like that.

Starting point is 01:29:40 I'll try to find a new flight, but I'll sometimes do economy plus, um, just to try to get out of that situation. I've literally had someone before who had, I don't remember which one it was aisle or window, but offered to switch with me. Cause they're like, I'm assuming you'll just like lean over. And I was like, yeah. And they're like, cool. So I leaned over and got my shoulder out of their way. And I was like, I honestly appreciate that you did that. I did not take that in a rude way at all. This is just way better for everyone. Thank you. So I don't know. I've done that, but that's like, I don't know, maximum like 90 bucks.

Starting point is 01:30:12 How tall are you? I'm not like that crazy tall. My torso is just pretty abnormally tall. Yeah. Plasma Tor says there's a legitimate use case for business class overseas. If you do it right, your first day is useful as opposed to dealing with jet lag. That's totally fair. I've always just kind of powered through it.

Starting point is 01:30:29 But the one time I did fly business class was when I went to visit the Intel Fab. I can also sleep and coach. And that was really far. Yeah, I'll just. Not everyone can. I'll just sleep and coach or I'll just suffer. I guess I've done it so many times and i've been doing it so long at this point i'm just like yeah okay uh here we go

Starting point is 01:30:52 yeah someone in twitch chat says uh my company owner has sprung for private jet travel a couple times for me and my team to get to events when other stuff was going to be really really challenging sometimes there's no other options and and and there's there's also a huge range in like private flight yeah so i i think that what we're talking about when we're like no is the like hyper fancy like i have a large plane with like dining areas and stuff that's not even what i'm talking about i've i've only flown even like the one that you can recline the whole way like the kind of like c-shaped thing where you're one's facing forward one's facing back i've only done that once with that said because you're talking about private flight oh private oh sorry sorry yes yes yes yes um with that said i have paid

Starting point is 01:31:39 for private air travel not for myself i think yeah i'm trying to think what would and it was not for a paid event it wasn't like for a sponsored thing we didn't make any money from the event we lost money on the event can you remember what it was ltx no okay there was a flood involved there was a flood involved. There was a flood involved? Yeah, when Colton couldn't make it to the Christmas party. Oh! Yeah. But again, I'm going to point this out again. I'm sure that wasn't a super fancy, what people are going to think of when you say private jet.

Starting point is 01:32:18 Yeah, it's a bit different. And I would have done it for that Scrapyard Wars. That would have been sick for that scrapyard wars I was willing That would have been awesome. Yeah, okay, I got Half a question and a proper question. All right for Luke. Can you get more loading screens with mods on Starfield? Can you get more? More we want more loading screens. Honestly, i wouldn't be surprised open the menu loading simulator i was i was looking at this earlier in the show but i i went on nexus mods for

Starting point is 01:32:50 for starfield and looked at today's new mods so mods in the last 24 hours and there has been 106 yeah i told you they'd be fast it's crazy are there any bird mods no oh joel's 13 says if you ever want to try it without spending a ton or feeling bad about the environmental impact, look up empty leg flights. It's where a private plane needs to get somewhere so they just fly the plane there. Oh, interesting.

Starting point is 01:33:16 Yeah, I've never heard of that before. Me neither, but that makes sense. I'd be super down to try something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure there's like travel youtubers and stuff who have done videos about that i still just i don't care personally i don't know i don't know it's you okay hold on i'm gonna i'm going to convince you okay i'm gonna give myself one minute to

Starting point is 01:33:37 convince you actually i'm gonna give myself about 10 10 seconds to convince you okay one of the big things for you is experiences yeah and i think that you would enjoy that experience if you shared it with your family damn it got him oh i felt that i felt i felt it hit him i felt that god you're good at this linus see this is the problem when you know someone this well oh that was brutal the problem is that when you know someone this well... Oh! Oh, that was brutal. The problem is that when you know someone this well, you can only achieve that if you also open yourself up. So he can hit me just as hard. I just have to wait for it. Yeah, that's a pretty fair one. Alright, okay, last actual question yeah hello

Starting point is 01:34:27 fellow techs with nvidia being less and less interested to invest in the gaming space how long do you think it will get before they start charging a monthly fee for using dlss like technology why do they know me so much so well they know how to just make me not want to do this anymore i know i not only don't want to talk on wancho anymore i don't want to talk about that i don't want to face that i actually almost wish that was never asked i don't want to have to make that video yeah i don't want to cover it watching the the donut media team address the like subscription seat subscription seat warmers was like painful for i think the exact same reason um there is i think that sometimes i've seen it many times over the years the general viewer or

Starting point is 01:35:15 at least some subset of the general viewer seems to think that we have some kind of power that we don't have you know whether it's overpriced gpus or like under spec like oh if only you guys complained about it more you could get this changed we can't change anything and it's honestly it makes our impotence feel all the more frustrating because there's at least a some a subset of you guys who want this from us who want us to wield this enormous club that you feel like we have for this industry-wide change at the most we can affect policy within a department at some of these companies or something like that but you have to understand they're publicly held they answer to one entity the shareholder that's it so if

Starting point is 01:36:02 people will buy this then they're going to pump it out and it's like sorry i'm not meaning to like i'm not meaning to go off on this or anything but it's so frustrating because we're just watching this slow motion burning train crash and and it's like the extra weight of the expectation that we can do something about it. It's all the more frustrating. I hate it just as much as you guys. And I hate that you're probably right. It is a matter of f***ing time

Starting point is 01:36:37 until there is a subscription tier GPU feature. And you know what? It's not going to start on GeForce. It's not going to start with the LSS. RTX 7090 with what it's not going to start on geforce it's not going to start with the ls 90 with premium it's going to start well it's already starting with the data center grade stuff and then it's going to make its way into the workstation and then it's going to make its way into consumer it's already there if you pay for a gpu as a service like geforce now but it's a matter of time

Starting point is 01:37:05 before it makes it into the card that you supposedly own. Sorry, this is a thing. Anyway, sorry. Yes, go ahead. Do you think you can push a boycott? Yeah, I'm going to convince gamers to stop playing games,

Starting point is 01:37:24 just like we convince people to stop paying for microtransactions. Just like we convince people to stop pre-ordering. It doesn't matter. Crom Welp on X or Twitter, the director of publishing at Larian Studios, recently was in a thread talking about this, and I strongly agree. When it comes to game pass style subscriptions so accessing video games not not the nvidia geforce one but just like the xbox one or playstation one or or whatever origin has one I think you play has one whatever

Starting point is 01:37:56 where where they were basically saying if you can afford it which is a pretty big caveat but if you can afford it just buy the games outright because one of the issues with these subscription services and and i brought this argument up recently to someone i don't remember who but they were like hey no like i know some i know some game developers and and they make some good money from if they get onto one of these services like it's a good payday The problem is when these things become ubiquitous Then the four or five companies that run them Run everything and now they can dictate all the terms. I believe that Freudian slip I believe I believe recently Microsoft and PlayStation have cut their Payments to I believe it's just indie developers, but it might be developers overall

Starting point is 01:38:48 Like the only reason why they can do that is because they're not worried about it They like up their prices and cut their payments to indie developers at the same time and you saw Microsoft Changed the terms of their trial for games pass in the lead up to yeah field Yeah, so it's like and it's like yeah That's well within their rights to do. And what if your favorite game gets taken off of it, and at the same time, what if it gets taken off of one of these subscription services years after proof? It's in GameLinked. Go watch GameLinked. I'm sure it's cited there somehow.

Starting point is 01:39:17 But if this game that you love is taken off of these services and also isn't currently for sale on any of the stores, it's just gone. We're seeing this happen with, uh, with, with web video, web movies right now. Um, like Netflix style platforms where they're, they're taking things off of the platform in order to get a tax write off on it. But that means you don't have access to it anymore. And yeah, sure. It got got taken off the platform maybe it wasn't that good but maybe you liked it so like man that sucks i i don't know i i don't subscribe to any of these things and i know i'm a i'm a old school i want physical versions of my games person but this is almost a different argument this has actually

Starting point is 01:39:59 nothing to do with physical versions of games this has a mixture of things to do with wanting uh the the no hoping that i'm taking a little bit less control away from the subscription services and making it so the developers have a little bit more because i think that's important there's a relationship there right they need the platform steam is really important these other things are really important they need a storefront to be able to sell their games through everyone just selling their games through their own websites is not going to be great it works for some people it's not going to work for everyone and the cuts are rough and to people saying that piracy is the answer here's the problem with that argument piracy is the answer as long as formats exist that can be pirated

Starting point is 01:40:37 all they have to do is basically decide as an industry it It's all game streaming now. Yeah, you know what? These games, we're just never going to make the files available for anyone to download. There will be nothing to reverse engineer. And there will be leaks occasionally. I mean, we saw that giant dump out of Nintendo, but almost literally everything that came out of that was like 20 years old. Like you are not going to be just playing pirated games

Starting point is 01:41:05 that were only ever installed in a data center that was NDA'd up the butt, you know, six months after release or anything like that. Or they can collectively just decide, you know what, it's just not worth it if people are just going to pirate this stuff. And people might turn to piracy if they start making everything a subscription.

Starting point is 01:41:23 So it becomes this arms race, right, where they kind of go, okay, well, then we're just only going to develop games that are hyper-reliant on the always online sort of community features. And that's something we've already seen, where you've got this like multiplayer-ish kind of cloud functionality that's just kind of shoehorned into games that honestly didn't need it but then suffer a degraded gaming experience if you are if you don't have them at least at least for some people you know even if it's something as simple as you know people just

Starting point is 01:41:56 like leaving comments behind that you can find um yeah i don't know it's just like we talked about i think we talked about this last week how I was saying I'm like worried about the future of movies. Did we talk about that? I think so I think so. I'm worried about the future of gaming too, which is which is like We're like getting we're coming out of a rough era into a very good era right now And I will also say one of the great things about this current era is a lot of these games have very acceptable monetization setups which is interesting because for a while there like remember the battlefront era

Starting point is 01:42:32 when like what was it it would cost you like a hundred grand to unlock all the characters or no it's like a hundred thousand hours of gameplay i don't remember what it was i don't remember the quote but it's an accomplishment yeah it's like one of the most upvoted things on reddit ever or downvoted down like 600 000 or something yeah sure whatever i don't know it's been a while but like we came from that into where we currently are which is great but because we're in a great spot right now doesn't guarantee that we'll be in a good spot in the future yeah and i don't know everything about the games industry i'm not in it it doesn't even mean that we're in as good a spot as we think we are now. I mean, one of the first things that you were saying about the splash screen when you jump into Starfield is that they've got that box sitting there

Starting point is 01:43:11 that is obviously a placeholder to get you used to seeing something there so they can start selling you horse armor. Let's not forget who started this whole bloody thing. Horse armor! Never forget! Bethesda. thing yeah horse armor never forget bethesda i know i know like mark kern popped off on this um i don't i don't know if if it was because of um here i don't know if it was because of what it looked like or or if it was because of this thing in the corner because i honestly didn't pay attention to that conversation because i didn't care because i think it looks fine, but this welcome to Starfield Square in the corner

Starting point is 01:43:48 Mark my words will be used to sell things I like that. I hate that you're right. I hate that. I promise you It's gonna happen some DLC is gonna come out or something something's to be available. I don't know. Just mod it out. It's the solution to everything. Add a loading screen to it. Yeah. Can I just shout out Twitch chat? Someone is gifting subs

Starting point is 01:44:20 to people who have usernames that insult me. If that's how you guys want to express your hate, I'm super into it. That's pretty funny. You guys really are something else, Twitch chat. Lenovo announces the Legion Go handheld. It's to be released in October, and highlights include an AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme with integrated

Starting point is 01:44:50 graphics. So this is just like the ROG Ally. A starting price of $699. However, it's 799 euros in Europe, which is closer to 860 US dollars. Um, a little weird. Maybe this indicates that it'll be a higher spec maybe this is a vat included price um not 100 sure anywho uh 49.2 this says hours i'm sure it means milliamp hours uh compared to the allies 40 which would be nice i've been using my hours

Starting point is 01:45:21 oh watt hours oh that yeah that would be a lot higher if it was million powers uh 49.2 watt hours i think it's big whatever it doesn't matter no one's gonna look at this doc again um that'd be a big improvement i've been using the ally a lot lately to play um chained echoes and i i have found the battery life affecting my habits. Like, I will play. Do you play in bed? I play in bed a lot, yeah. Yeah, I'm a bed player.

Starting point is 01:45:51 This makes a lot more sense. Just timeline-wise of when you log into that game. I'm like, okay. Well, I'm, like, always logged into that game because I just leave it running. My son was making fun of me for taking over 100 hours to beat the game. And I'm just like, son, I have i have put like less than half of that into it because i just like fall asleep and it's just like lying there yeah yeah um anywho i was sorry i just i fell asleep playing slay the spire on my phone and i my hand was like out like this and i woke up with my hand still propped up with the phone still in

Starting point is 01:46:24 it um and my girlfriend said like yeah i saw you like that i just thought it was funny i just left and I woke up with my hand still propped up with the phone still in it. And my girlfriend said like, yeah, I saw you like that. I just thought it was funny. I just left it there. Did you at least plug it into the charger? No. Well, it eventually like went to sleep and was fine. It didn't keep the game running the whole time.

Starting point is 01:46:42 But yeah, when I woke up and my hand was still like that, I thought I just dozed off for a second and went to go like put it on the charger But I realized it was like the morning and I needed to get Anyways the screen is huge This is wild it has an eight point eight inch display So this thing is gonna be flippin enormous. I hadn't actually looked at this yet. Yeah, like look at this Why wouldn't they just put bigger? You know buttons on it at that point those look even like full-size joysticks like the Steam Deck In fact those look like touchpads like oh no just one it does look like a touchpad one touchpad

Starting point is 01:47:21 I guess that would be convenient for navigation even if you can't use it for gaming like you can on the Steam Deck. I'd like that, yeah. Why not? Yeah, I mean, you could use it for certain kinds of games. You play like a city builder game or whatever else. I mean, you can't use them as like a dual sticks replacement like you can on the Steam Deck.

Starting point is 01:47:37 The resolution of the display is 2560 by 1600. It runs it up to 144 hertz. It has two USB 4 ports, which may or may not allow you to connect an external GPU. Support for eGPU on USB 4 devices is a little bit hit or miss. I am liking the price, 16 gigs of RAM, 256 to 1 terabyte gen 4 ssd um discussion question here is are we about to see real competition in the gaming handheld space i'm gonna say no really yeah why because nobody is competing with the steam deck right now oh okay do you guys see the price of those refurb steam decks by the way dang it Austin Austin Evans video on refurb steam decks basically gonna do

Starting point is 01:48:31 the same thing not only did a video on refurb steam decks but we had an idea to have kind of like a more complete angle on it and like do a bunch of upgrades to it with the money that you saved and he did the same bloody thing so anyway we're gonna try and do even more upgrades because whatever f**k you austin just kidding i love austin um but we're yeah we're gonna try and do even more upgrades to our steam tech he was on uh kyle's podcast and he was saying that he gets uh recognized as you like all the time. He says it drives him nuts Yeah, but you didn't used to so he was also at the same time talking about how one of the worst things for people to Say when they meet him is I used to watch your videos. Oh What about what about my boyfriend watches your videos cuz that's the one I usually get I

Starting point is 01:49:23 Don't mind that one. Why do you oh, why do you it's just it's just the thing people always say to me so it's like predictable it's like tell me something I'm not expecting to hear I guess it's not upsetting or anything I know what our demographics are it's just always funny

Starting point is 01:49:42 so anytime anytime sort of someone who I identifies as a woman walks up to me I'll go I'll count I'll start counting down five four three two my boyfriend loves your videos but it's not always that way and it's pretty cool

Starting point is 01:49:58 when it's not no it's not no it's not always that way but it very very often is one of one of the one of the almost the thing Austin said, but not quite ones, when people walk up to me is, I used your guide when I built my first PC. But they don't really remember my name or anything. They just kind of recognize me.

Starting point is 01:50:20 That's still cool, though. Right, but they probably haven't watched in three or four years. Because we don't really do PC build guides anymore anymore i don't know i think i think i get recognized a lot less than you guys so none of the responses really bother me much i also like i'm not on camera anymore so people couldn't really say that they still watch me now unless it's just wanshow right so like i don't know a shocking number of people watch wanshow yeah that's true it's like i was trying to figure this out i don't know if A shocking number of people watch WAN show. Yeah, that's true. I was trying to figure this out. I don't know if I've talked about this on WAN show yet,

Starting point is 01:50:48 but I was really trying to figure out why I was getting so much attention at LTX. WAN show. WAN show. And the most hardcore viewers are going to be WAN show viewers. I didn't necessarily put together the connection between hardcore viewers and WAN show viewers.

Starting point is 01:51:07 I knew WAN show viewers. If people are going to recognize me, it's connection between hardcore viewers and wan show viewers i knew wan show viewers if people are gonna recognize me it's probably gonna be wan show i knew that but i didn't really put together that if they go to ltx they very likely watch wan show so i was like oh okay yeah do you have any idea like what percentage of ltx tickets were sold when we like talked about it on wan shows oh no yeah it's a lot yeah that's not like all of them or anything like that like it's not it's not like that some people the wanshow format is just too long i get it i had i had a hundred percent this was actually technically someone who was running a booth um but i i had a line form in front of their booth and then uh when i left i i like apologized to them for making their booth a little bit harder to get to for a little while and talked to them for a second. And the guy was like, yeah, so what's it like working for Linus Media Group?

Starting point is 01:51:52 And I was like, it's pretty cool. He was talking to me as if I was a very new employee. I was like, wow, this is kind of awkward. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't. Yeah. Sort of. I've been here for a while yeah I don't know that's okay I mean other than that Linus guy is like determined to like crash the company into into the ground it's a lot of stress otherwise it's okay just start screaming more progressively loudly people are great i like hanging out in the fishbowl with dan it's really fun oh man anyways so yeah you don't think competition no i just steam decks just

Starting point is 01:52:38 stomping i think that i think the steam deck is stomping i mean why do you like the ally more than oh it's way more powerful. And as a tinkerer... How much does a Steam Deck cost? The reverbs are like $3.29, Luke. Whoa. Yeah. They're dangerously close to Switch Lite. That's actually...

Starting point is 01:52:59 Yeah, and when you consider the cheapness of games... That's still $500 Canadian because our dollar sells. Right? Compared to Nintendo, the lifetime cost of this thing is it's way less, right? The Steam Deck is incredible. I wish it was more powerful. I wish that Valve had adopted a model of iterating on it more frequently. The fact that they've decided to treat it less like a pc

Starting point is 01:53:25 and more like a console in terms of its life cycle makes sense but i would have liked to see rapid fire iteration um but other than that i just i think it is so close to most of what people many people need that it just it kind of irrelevance everything else at that price point. Because let's talk about some of the games that you're excited about that have come out over the last year or so, right? Like, sure, you've got your Starfields.

Starting point is 01:53:58 You're not going to be playing that on a Steam Deck. I've heard it's a pretty bad experience. You're not going to play it on an Ally either. Yeah. So, okay, whatever. Oh, I see your point. They're in the same class of hardware where you can play

Starting point is 01:54:10 older AAA games or you can play newer ones kinda. Here's a question. If you were going to get the premium Steam Deck. But Dave the Diver. Yeah. Okay. Sea of Stars. Sea of Stars. You play the crap out of those regardless regardless of whether it's a Steam Deck or an Ally or whatever else.

Starting point is 01:54:28 Yeah. Okay, so sorry, what were you saying? The Premium Steam Deck. The Premium Steam Deck is pretty expensive. Would you do Ally or this Go thing, or would you do Premium Steam Deck? I would, I mean, I've already told you, I would go Ally regardless, because I want the extra performance. I also like the form factor of the ally better. I don't like how

Starting point is 01:54:45 gigantic the Steam Deck is. I also like the 120Hz display. Hey, if I can run the game smoothly, I'd like to. Because the premium Steam Deck is 820 Canadian. But, because the Steam Deck is so user

Starting point is 01:55:01 serviceable, you don't have to buy that. Buy the cheapest refurb you can, and then huck a big SSD in it. A better screen, anti-glare glass. It does, but you don't need that. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, it's a little bit better for glare, but it's not a night and day difference. You can go back and you can watch the original hands-on that we did down in Seattle. It's better, but it's not even better in a this is better and everyone should get it kind

Starting point is 01:55:29 of way it's kind of a personal preference sort of better okay yeah so no i i don't think that's a big deal so yeah if if i if i wanted if i wanted the best possible entry into handheld gaming i'm buying a refurb steam deck and i'm putting a big fat ssd in it and i'm calling it i'm calling it a day i'm gonna go spend my money on a bunch of great fun you know indie games or or or lighter games or older games and i'm gonna play the crap out of that thing because at the end of the day it's not about the hardware here's a counter argument it's about the games every single refurb steam deck is sold out. Oh Really? Yeah, I blame Austin. We bought we just bought one before his video Yep, they're sold out. Okay

Starting point is 01:56:17 There's three different versions 64 gig 256 gig 512 gig. They're all sold out Also take a love Austin 399 is it even oh, yeah, it's like 100 bucks less for each that's pretty significant holy is it is yeah same warranty and stuff wow even then at 399 it's still so competitive yeah love it pretty cool that they have the ifixit hardware and stuff mentions another creator oh bloody anyway so yeah i i don't know i don't know if lenovo is going to make like serious oh right so i was going to talk about why i tolerate the ally it is a it is not an appliance. It's a computer with a controller and a battery bolted to it. And it really feels like it.

Starting point is 01:57:08 And it has all the same issues that PC gaming has. Like when I put it to sleep, it's mostly fixed with the latest firmware. It's just going to wake up sometimes. Yeah, just like wake up sometimes for the first couple of weeks that i was playing uh chained echoes um or you know it you you'll go to you'll have like a weird thing where the where it doesn't switch from controller to to joy to mouse mode properly and you're just like oh screw it i'll just restart oh windows update fantastic um yeah okay okay okay it's stupid little microsoft's been trying to build an os for touchscreen since windows 8 and they still get basic stuff wrong okay you boot up the system

Starting point is 01:57:51 you just want to log in so you you swipe a thing then you click the field and then sometimes i get it where i have to click the field again to get the number pad to pop up to enter a pin it's like this is three interactions when realistically i'm sitting here looking at it it should just be one i should immediately start typing is little things like that that are just cleaner on the steam deck and i think that there's a possibility that microsoft will take this space seriously and that we'll see like a a gaming you know a handheld gaming mode or we'll see some kind of version of windows that's like really optimized for these things but i don't think it's a given and it's certainly not going to happen anytime soon valve has put a ton

Starting point is 01:58:37 of work into making the steam deck more appliance like more console like and anything running windows is not going to be that experience yeah yeah fair enough okay what are we doing right now topics yeah someone's upset that i had someone referred to bellevue as seattle i love twitch chat i'm just oh man i'm gonna hang out in Twitch chat. Oh man. They're my people. Professional trolls.

Starting point is 01:59:11 Oh wait, what are we supposed to be talking about? I think we're still doing topics. I think we're done all three of the main ones. We just got to jump through some rapid fires. I want to talk about Elon Musk demonstrating full self-driving while filming himself without his hands on the wheel? Yeah, this is pretty wild. Do you want to run through it or me? Go for it. Elon Musk live streamed a demonstration of Tesla's updated full self-driving beta. The car was able to drive almost entirely independently using only cameras and algorithmic intelligence. At one point,

Starting point is 01:59:40 the car attempted to accelerate through a red light, requiring Musk to intervene, but it was otherwise without incident. You know, running red light is no big deal. However, Musk spent the demonstration in the driver's seat, filming on his cell phone, and interacting with commenters, which goes against Tesla's own policies for using full self-driving software, and I believe also the law. Palo Alto police say they will not be issuing Musk a ticket or fine because the incident wasn't directly witnessed by police. So here's what I would like to understand.

Starting point is 02:00:18 What are the dynamics at play here? Because from my understanding, whether you want to talk about like let's take some significant events like let's say the january 6th riot i'm not going to get into the like politics of it i was going to do even way more basic things like if you see shoplifting on camera but there were plenty of people who were absolutely prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law based on footage and not necessarily someone who actually, like a law enforcement officer observing that individual committing a particular act. There is massive precedent for catching people doing something on camera. Why does it matter that the person catching them on camera happened to be themselves people are saying federal instead of local all this other stuff i don't know how the

Starting point is 02:01:14 law works there any chance of adding video oh this is about um federal versus state law. Yeah, this is, this is like America stuff that we don't know, I think. Um, but like, is it like a self-incrimination thing? Cause you like can't incriminate yourself. Yeah. Is it that simple? So as long as I film myself doing it and nobody else sees it, it's not a crime. And something to remember is I am feigning ignorance a little bit here because traffic code is not necessarily the same as criminal code.

Starting point is 02:01:48 In some cases, there are overlap. So you can commit a traffic violation that is also criminal. But not every traffic violation is criminal. If he had actually killed someone, well, that's manslaughter now. And that's criminal code. Or maybe potentially actually running the red light. Yeah. Because, like, think about red light cameras

Starting point is 02:02:13 Yeah, but that's not his camera that's like their camera that's different because of that Remember when one of his lawyers argued that anything that he said previously could be a deep fake therefore We can't hold him accountable for it. That's pretty epic. I wonder if that would have been the defense here Hey, you don't know it's real footage yeah i mean we faked so much about the capabilities of our vehicles why not this maybe what was outside the window was just green screens and this was all filmed in a studio i just got myself in trouble nobody i didn't even hear what you said which is highly concerning to be completely honest um but i anyway i was poking at the tesla fanboys oh that's fine yeah okay uh i i feel like they have toned it down a lot like the remember how it used to be when you would point out anything that's not positive about tesla okay to to defend that slightly i think that's because

Starting point is 02:02:57 people were getting very defensive about electric cars in general because they wanted electric cars to become a thing and tesla was like its best chance of that happening and now that has happened and now it's like and now it's like oh man producing all these batteries is like really hard and there's downsides to things and stuff yeah generating power in certain places like here it's very easy power is very economical here and quite environmentally friendly because it's all falling water i also think a big part of it is that whatever blah blah the cult of personality around that particular individual has eroded did you see the what was it a valorant match did you see this dan i don't remember what it was what

Starting point is 02:03:38 there was there was some form of match that he was at recently, some gaming event. Elon Musk? Yeah. And he was spotted in the crowd by the camera people and put on the big screens. And then everyone was booing while he was on camera. Not everyone. Audibly, the crowd was booing while he was on camera. And then after he was off camera, they started chanting like bring back Twitter or something like that. I don't know what it was, but it was,

Starting point is 02:04:06 it was pretty funny. That, uh, that is impressive. That's gotta be, that's gotta suck. Um, but anyways,

Starting point is 02:04:12 you could try blocking them in real life. I gotta say, I, um, having had the experience that I did recently, I, I do feel for the guy, you know,

Starting point is 02:04:23 doing something that is actually bad and people being mad at you For it is quite a thing I'm not saying I'm not saying He doesn't deserve it I'm just saying that I have some empathy Due to recent events I feel empathetic for Elon Musk is a genuinely Hilarious statement I just

Starting point is 02:04:44 I have to that is actually so funny I don't like yeah doing something catastrophically stupid and having people call you out for it is It's not something I would recommend I bet Linus would have rebranded it to X as well Yeah, there you go, we're renaming it L. yeah there you go We're renaming it L And when you install it on your phone you're going to take the L Take my L

Starting point is 02:05:11 That is actually better branding Than what he's done At least it's funnier Uh Oh hold on there's more No no there's more In other Tesla news this week, oh, no, this is not this week, this is ages ago.

Starting point is 02:05:28 So the way that he may have been doing this, right, this is why this surfaced again, is the Elon mode that exists for hands-free full self-driving. This was surfaced back in June of this year, but a Tesla software hacker found an Elon mode driving feature that seems to allow Tesla vehicles with full self-driving to operate without any driver monitoring. So while he was paying attention,

Starting point is 02:05:50 it's possible that the way that he was able to so confidently film himself while he was supposed to be operating a vehicle was by using a not street legal version of the software, which very cool makes perfect sense and should be a thing all right sea of stars all i ask is no spoilers in chat you might just want to not reach out for a bit because people are going to hear that and then purposely try to spoil it i'm going to close chat yeah so there's no point doing it because i'm not going to see it. Both my chats are closed, boom, you're done. Okay, so then what can we say? Because I am one of those people who,

Starting point is 02:06:31 I am obsessive about knowing absolutely nothing about a piece of media that I know I'm going to consume. I read one article about Sea of Stars. It went on my to play list. I think the notes that are in the doc right now are fine. Okay. I'll read through it. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:06:48 Sea of Stars released this week to a great deal of excitement, given its visual and thematic similarity to JRPGs of JRPG classics of the past, like Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger. Reviews have praised its maps, world building. I think it's world building.

Starting point is 02:07:03 I like word building, though. It's probably true enough. World building, combat, characters, music, and and story and then there's just discussion questions wow there's not much more than that all the notes i'm like a big part of the motivation for me to finally pick up chained echoes was that i've had this list of these you know classic jrpg inspired games to play that's been kind of building up as some of them have come out. Here, I got to check what's on my list now. Okay. The discussion questions here are,

Starting point is 02:07:32 are we entering a better era of gaming? And dang tootin' it seems like it. I think we maybe have been here for a little bit and it took me until pretty much now to accept it and realize it because I was traumatized from games for years. But yeah, I think things are good. I think things are good right now.

Starting point is 02:07:50 The amount of bangers coming out is actually like crazy. In no particular order, here are some of the games that are on my, I absolutely must play. Destroy All Humans, Dragon Quest XI, play that Chinese game that's basically breath of the wild. That's hilarious Genshin I wrote this a lot down a long time like Genshin

Starting point is 02:08:14 I probably won't based on that I didn't like breath of the wild 2 or rather that it didn't suck me in Play Fantasian which I made it a lot of the way through until I reached like kind of some uh play fantasia which i made it a lot of the way through until i reached like kind of some mobile gamey stupid like qc issues or like i shouldn't call them quality control did crash a fair bit on my apple tv but um more like um qa like like game testing uh game testing issues uh project triangle thing on switch uh bravely default 2 which i have checked off it takes two tie fighter total conversion sea of stars so sea of stars has been on here since before rise of the third power era fell titanfall 2 single player risk of rain 2 uh stray oh i've played that cool risk of rain 2 did you play risk of rain 1 no i don't know if you're gonna care about risk of

Starting point is 02:09:02 rain 2 barrington recommended that i play it with you so i don't know me make of that what you will yeah um reach the future final fantasy tactics mod that sounds cool i've totally forgotten about that that final fantasy game for android oh oh this is super cool i found an article about this on somewhere and they were like hey remember that final fantasy game that absolutely nobody ever talked about and was basically the very end of good mobile games it's called final fantasy dimensions it's heavily inspired by final fantasy 5 is like a like a sprite pixel art style final fantasy game no microtransaction crap you just like buy it for 14 or whatever it is you play it on your Android device and um and then microtransaction hell happened and that was it that was like that was like the end but it's still out there you can still get it yeah it only has 3.6 stars it's very true to the older games

Starting point is 02:10:00 there's some quality of life stuff but apparent I haven't played it yet but apparently it's like very old style and maybe not everyone maybe not everyone would like that dimensions yeah i searched final fantasy dimensions the first thing that came up was final fantasy b e w o t v i have no idea what the next thing is final fantasy dimensions i don't know why it's second and it's rated much more highly yeah what's what's the star rating uh 4.3 yeah okay for a mobile app is like that's great um local co-op game grounded max pain i still haven't played a single max pain game uh pixel cup soccer max pain's good chained echoes oh i'm gonna check that off i'm on the final dungeon i've played enough of that um 8-bit adventures the forgotten journey and sequel octopath Traveler. I still haven't played Octopath

Starting point is 02:10:49 This is an interesting little list. That's my list of stuff that I will play darn it Final Fantasy dimensions 4.3 stars Final Fantasy dimensions to 2.6 stars well yeah I Yeah. Womp womp. Womp womp. I should just, you know what I should do? Is I should just let the community like order my games.

Starting point is 02:11:14 I'm not going to let them pick games because they probably will have a hard time picking games that I would actually get into and enjoy. But if I just like took my game order and they were just like, yeah, just in this order then I could just just always not think about it because honestly choice paralysis is a huge problem for me I'm back on my old note 9 and I think dude. It's also contributing to the interference this time Oh Shoot no that was on the list. I just didn't say it because you already knew that one. Yeah, you said order, though. Oh, was it on the list?

Starting point is 02:11:48 Yeah. Did I say it? Okay, I thought I skipped it. Sorry. Fartmuncher69420 asks, have you tried Final Fantasy VI? There are some things I worry about with you.

Starting point is 02:12:02 I can't tell if you're memeing or not. I've been trying to get him to watch one particular movie for, like, actually... Pirates of Silicon Valley. Like, 13 years or something? Yeah, and my sister's been trying to get me to watch, um, uh, Fanboys. You've also been trying to get me to watch Hackers, which... I intend to watch them. I really do. I just... Yeah, except it's been 13 years.

Starting point is 02:12:22 I find very little time to consume media! The problem is, at this point, when he finally watches it, it's going to be impossible for it to live up to whatever hype this is. I don't consider your recommendation that hype. And then Titanfall 2... I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

Starting point is 02:12:39 Titanfall 2 is like... I just... It's a fantastic single-player shooter game but we've been talking about it for years now so like I'll enjoy it don't even don't even worry I don't know if it's anywhere near as good as fear then I'll enjoy the crap out of it and it probably is very different game but it doesn't have like good gunplay yeah and any interesting mechanics yes then I'll be fine all right yeah yeah I'm not I, yeah. I'm not actually that picky. It's just, you know what the big challenge is, is that it's really hard for me to sit

Starting point is 02:13:10 at my computer and play. If you watch Blackberry before Pirates of Silicon Valley, I'm actually going to be pissed. What's Blackberry? Good. What? That's all I'm saying. Am I supposed to know what Blackberry is? Not particularly.

Starting point is 02:13:24 Oh my goodness. It's my phone for sure. Blackberry movie. I've watched The Social Network. I watched that before Pirates of Silicon Valley. You like that? No. It was a silent one, but I farted. I know. I saw you do the lip.

Starting point is 02:13:41 A Canadian? Someone said Blackberry's good. Yeah! And you know what it like takes a lot of inspiration from? Pirates of Silicon Valley! Oh my god. Anyways, sorry. Oh. Is the- is the name of the stream on floatplane wrong? By a stubby rune Kyle's day You might need you might need to refresh. Oh, okay. Maybe I've had it open since before that. Oh, yeah, there we go

Starting point is 02:14:13 Okay, good job Dan Cool, there we go Yeah, that was a that was a stream we ran today Every time someone bought a stubby screwdriver It would make a noise in Kyle's office and then we had a live stream running of his office That was floatplane exclusive apparently they did some Q&A and stuff on it as well. That's cool So that's yeah, it's pretty cool. It was inspired by Puget systems when we did the tour there They have like a gong that goes off in their warehouse every time someone buys a computer

Starting point is 02:14:41 Which I imagine you know when you're selling three, four, $10,000 computers, they do a lot of really high-end workstations and stuff there. Probably doesn't go off that often for a still very sustainable, profitable company or whatever. Whereas when you're talking like a $60 screwdriver on launch day, it was going off basically continuously for quite a while there Apparently Kyle did not get any work done today according to a plane chat. That's amazing. That makes sense That's okay. His work was to entertain you guys. I have watched antitrust by the way Good for you

Starting point is 02:15:23 I'm just I'm messing with him a lot. Come on! I'm messing with him a lot today. It's been a lot. It's okay. I'm like actually kind of... It's okay, it's a long weekend. I'm feeling spicy.

Starting point is 02:15:30 I'm feeling spicy today. Speaking of spicy, Intel announces a photonic chip with scads of threads. Scads. Scads. That's a metric term. Metric scads. It's a real unit. I don't believe you it's like a moment. You know we use it colloquially, but it's actually a real thing That one's actually true though. Yeah

Starting point is 02:15:52 Yeah GADs is true look it up. Is it actually yes? No, I'm not gonna do it. He's gonna do it. No he has to now no because no you know It's unveiled Puma a photonic chip that is based on custom risk architecture with eight cores and 66 threads per core for a total of 200 528 threads modern x86 cpus usually have only two threads per core with some with some exceptions um such as intel xeon phi which had four threads per core, IBM's Power 8, which had eight.

Starting point is 02:16:27 Which isn't a modern x86 chip, but is a modern chip. Yep. And Sun's Spark chips, which went up to 16. Which is also not x86, but... Yeah. Yeah. It's just that we said modern x86. I totally got you.

Starting point is 02:16:40 Yeah, it's worded weird. The chip only uses 75 watts of power and uses 32 optical IO ports that each operate at 32 gigs per second per... Direction. Direction. Wow. Holy crap. For a total of one terabyte per second of total bandwidth.

Starting point is 02:17:01 There are optical interconnects between chips so they can be connected together in eight socket server sleds that in turn interconnect with each other yeah so like optical optical networking like directly to the i forget what tour we were on i think riley called this sam altman's wet dream which i thought was hilarious uh we were on a tour where we were looking at a configuration that had basically like fiber optic connectivity between what were they like daughter boards or something i can't remember man it's escaping me now but it was super cool and they were kind of talking to us about the future of scalability in the data center and how as they get fiber optics closer and closer to the actual dyes,

Starting point is 02:17:51 we're going to see the lines blur between what is a chip and what is many chips and what is many servers full of many chips. Computing unit. Yeah. Our discussion question here is, will this ever make sense for the consumer prosumer market? Honestly, ever is a really, really big word, but I don't see it coming anytime soon. Soon, I don't think so, but ever, I actually do think so. Both Intel and AMD have completely abandoned even HEDT.

Starting point is 02:18:22 You're running, you as as in Dan not the audience you are running uh uh like LLM AI stuff at home yeah yeah yeah so you know Dan isn't everyone in the world currently but there's really cool applications for having your own version at home that could potentially learn off yourself in the long run we don't know so much right now but in the in the long run uh and also it keeps it more private there's benefits do you think you could see that becoming a thing what running them at home yeah yeah average people we were really hoping that there was going to be this breakthrough technology one sec uh which would basically bring like data center level gpu production to the home from consumer cards but that ended up yeah not

Starting point is 02:19:04 materializing there's some more development in that space right now. When we talked about that, I hardcore called it. I remember that conversation. That it wasn't going to be possible? Oh, yeah. By that point, I knew it wasn't going to be possible. There's some new stuff that's probably kind of exciting in that space, too. So that's kind of not going to be happening.

Starting point is 02:19:21 But the 4090s and these high-end cards that are consumer grade actually perform a lot better than some of the dedicated machining learning cards uh that that nvidia produces pretty well the only downside is that you can't squish 16 of them together into one big gpu so your frame vram they're not super data center friendly yeah so that's that's a disadvantage um but it's really nice we're we're kind of doing it i'm doing it at home more as like the hype's died down now and so now we're learning now we're actually trying to build tools we're trying to figure out how they function we're trying to understand how they work with gpus why are they limited to single GPU? Why can't that be spread across multiple GPUs? Why is inference only able to happen in a single section of VRAM?

Starting point is 02:20:13 Why can't that be segmented or something like that? And learning how LLMs function, the different types of tunes and models and lauras and all the little settings that you don't get to play with when you're using the big boy online LLMs. This all to me feels like something that is not consumer ready yet, but it's in that niche enthusiast space where it might actually get to consumers eventually. A lot of people have been producing really, really easy tools that you can basically, you go to one GitHub page, you download a one click installer. You've already lost 90% of people. I mean, yeah, but I mean, that is way easier than building something from source. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, definitely. Somebody who's a little

Starting point is 02:20:55 bit computer savvy. I mean, the entry point for everybody is just these online websites, right? But then you're just playing with them. You're not like tinkering, right? But it's pretty easy to get going. And they run on consumer cards. I think we could see this type of tech being in the home for sure. Just definitely not now. And the nice thing is, if you're worried about privacy, like I want to play with having a home assistant AI in my house. I don't want all the microphones in my house calling back to google or amazon or microsoft every six seconds so it runs in my bedroom you know that's the kind of that's the

Starting point is 02:21:31 kind of space where where i'm really seeing this is going to shine farhan hadi um says at linus it was the ibm tour where they had like eight cpus sharing cash between chips. Yeah. Oh, man, that was cool stuff. So, yeah, if you guys check out the IBM Z tour that we did. Man, IBM reached out recently. They want to work together again because they were, like, thrilled with how that video went. But, honestly, I was thrilled with how that video went, too, but I'm a little bit worried that so much of what we were able to say

Starting point is 02:22:02 the first time around is going to be redundant the second time around because z moves slowly and that's kind of the point right is that they are they're cutting edge but in sort of a a lumbering big iron giant icebreaker style kind of way getting into unfound territory but you're chugging yeah and so i i i worry that if i were to go do it again i'd be like what is z for the same thing it was for last time but this one's even more wild and better but then maybe i'm underestimating them maybe i'm going to show up and they're going to be like oh yeah but you know what about this so who knows i i was just i was blown away by the kind of cool stuff they had just everything from their you know custom memory modules to those optical interconnects and stuff it's super cool yeah yeah uh i think we have like one or two more topics

Starting point is 02:22:57 and then it's after dark yeah i think so i mean youtube offers amnesty for channel warnings yeah youtube is going to be changing their community guidelines policy so that creators can get violation warnings removed from their channel. If they complete an educational training course on YouTube's content policies, if creators complete the course and then go 90 days without violating the same policy again, the warning will be lifted.

Starting point is 02:23:27 According to YouTube, more than 80% of creators who receive a warning never violate policies again. Of course, many of those creators were inappropriately flagged and never violated any policy to begin with, and we're not really sure if that's reflected in the numbers. But would still have to take the course, even if they were incorrectly flagged. Our discussion question here is, why doesn't YouTube fix their policy ambiguities in an accurate moderation?

Starting point is 02:23:50 And I know the answer to that. The answer is that if they keep it ambiguous, they give themselves more flexibility in terms of enforcement. That's the answer. That's always the answer. Unpopular opinion, they might need that. Everybody wants super clear guidelines oh for

Starting point is 02:24:06 things like okay so here's something that a lot of people don't know this is like inside baseball uh youtube has engines that run internally that analyze thumbnails for whether or not they are clickbait did you know that no yeah so they will rate a video's title and thumbnail for how clickbait like they are. And this includes all kinds of factors like the expression on the face and what objects are in it and similarity to of clickbait, which is baiting someone into clicking something that they otherwise wouldn't. I'm not talking about, you know, effective packaging that is clickable for something that, you know, is similar to, you know, what the thumbnail was, where the thumbnail is representative of the content. I'm talking about like the old school, like Phil DeFranco thumbnails with the just like boobs in them all the time. Clickbait, right? So YouTube has systems that will analyze thumbnails and determine how clickbait they are. And they give creators general guidelines like, oh, if you were to do this, that would be an example of something that would possibly be treated as

Starting point is 02:25:26 kind of clickbaity at least initially you know if they find that it's quality piece of content and people who click on it are quite satisfied then that will derank it in clickbaitness but these are things that might get your content kind of flagged as possibly clickbait, but they won't tell you exactly what those things are for two reasons. A, they're always changing, and B, and that's by design, and B, if they tell us exactly where the lines are, there's going to be a significant proportion of content creators that are going to go right up against them. And that's the way that it is, whether it's community guidelines or whether it's clickbait analysis

Starting point is 02:26:09 or whatever it happens to be or whether it's a spiffing Brit hack the platform exploit, like whether it was polls and polls in community posts or whatever else it is. They're always looking for ways to open up exploits and close them. And it's always changing. The sands are always shifting and that is 100% on purpose.

Starting point is 02:26:39 What else we got today? Uh, not a ton. Okay. Let's call that in. I think it's time for WAN Show After Dark. Sure. Sounds good. Dan, do we have any possible hope of getting through all these merch messages?

Starting point is 02:26:54 Well, if you start going through the potentials while I take a while to stand up and turn off the light, yeah, maybe. I couldn't help noticing that it's been a bit of a day for merch messages. I didn't even notice. I think i'm just just in the zone i'm just capable of this now just rocking it it's just been this for so many weeks my fingers are fire i had a new i had a new keyboard made that you can't even hear anymore it's awesome oh oh yeah i haven't heard yeah uh i tried every single keyboard that we had in the building.

Starting point is 02:27:26 I mean, it looks like a normal keyboard. It really does. It has new switches. I was expecting to be very impressed by your... No, but here, right next to the mic keyboard. We can't see what you're doing. Oh, it's the sound. It's just the sound. I mean, it's not the camera.

Starting point is 02:27:38 It was robotic. This is a video... Oh, my God. Wow. You're upsetting it. You're going to be... Angry camera! Okay, there we go. video pod- oh my god. Wow. You're upsetting it! You're gonna be my- Angry camera! Okay, there we go.

Starting point is 02:27:50 This is uh, this is my voice for comparison. What are the switches? I have no idea! Did Plouffe recommend them or something? I don't know, Matt made it. He killed it. It's awesome. Okay, cool. Sick. Oh yeah, I was getting up. Do uh, for the potentials. Oh, sure, yeah. Um. Sort of the top I was getting up. Do for the potentials. Oh, sure, yeah. Sort of the top. Sure, I'll start at the bottom.

Starting point is 02:28:08 Oh, my. It took me that long to scroll past incoming. There's a lot. We might be boned. Okay, well, I'll just curate that one. Oh, crap. Okay, there's not that many that he actually curated. Okay, so that's good.

Starting point is 02:28:21 We might be okay here, Dan. Oh, yeah. Okay, Jan Michael asks, actually curated okay so that's good we might be we might be okay here dan oh yeah um okay uh jan michael asks what feature would make you want to upgrade back to a slab style phone um you know what i think i'm just at the point now where i appreciate the pros and cons of everything. iOS, Android, the deal breaker for me for iOS is not being able to sideload apps. If Apple addressed that, which they might with some of the stuff that's been going on with the EU, if Apple addressed that,

Starting point is 02:28:56 I just don't think it would make much of a difference to me because every platform has its pros and cons. And honestly, I feel the same way about folding versus non-folding. There's issues with folding phones. There's issues with folding phones. There's advantages to folding phones. We actually have a video coming that's just 10 things that are just plain better about folding phones.

Starting point is 02:29:15 And it is not a video about things that are bad about slab phones. It's just a video about things that are great about folding phones. And I guess I just see it that way across the board now i'm going back to the note 9 there are some things that are bothering me my wi-fi chipset seems to be kind of flaky like i can't connect to five gigahertz at home even though i can connect to it here and every other device in my house can do five gigahertz at home i'm using the same access points at home that we are at the office which is really wild um so like there's some issues and it's slow. It definitely feels slow now. But it's been fine.

Starting point is 02:29:48 It's been totally fine. Actually, Luke, I want to get your take on this. I had a plan to do a two-part video series where the community picks a phone for me. Okay. So part one, I lay out everything I've liked about every phone I've ever owned and everything that I have disliked about every phone I've ever owned. So I basically, I walk into a wireless wave, you know, like a, like a, like a a mobile device store i lay out my needs and then i basically just give

Starting point is 02:30:26 it to the community and i take whatever the top upvoted device is i use it for a month and then i come back and i basically go you guys nailed it or you guys got it totally wrong or okay so i came up with this idea when i dropped the fold in the pool. Before that happened, I had apparently reached out to the Fairphone folks. My Fairphone 5 review sample arrived today. Which should I do? Should I let the community pick a phone for me to use for a month? Or should I just review the Fairphone for a month? Or should I mention in that video

Starting point is 02:31:01 that the Fairphone 5 is totally an option and I totally have one and see if they just want me to try that one? Maybe that. I like the Fairphone at the very least being an option. Everyone says both. I hate doing phone reviews now, though, guys. It's such a hassle.

Starting point is 02:31:14 Everybody's saying Fairphone. But here's the thing. If you do the other option and then just vote for Fairphone, that seems cool. That's more democratic? Yeah. I think so. You're going to get trolled, though though if you do a poll that's my one concern I'm I actually you know what we've had this conversation and I that that was raised by I think both Jordan and James the internet send like Taylor Swift to a

Starting point is 02:31:38 school for the deaf or something here's my argument back Or something. Here's my argument back. Don't underestimate the fanboyness of fanboys. How much do people... Don't underestimate internet trolls. Hold on, hold on. No, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

Starting point is 02:31:57 But also, don't underestimate the fanboyness of fanboys. Think about how eager people are to have someone else try that thing they like. And phones? Good Lord. People are very emotional about their phones. And it makes sense, right? It's the thing that is with you

Starting point is 02:32:20 more than almost anything else that isn't permanently attached to your body. Like, what is it that you carry permanently attached to your body like what is it that you carry more reliably in your life than your phone i would take if i had to pick between keys wallet and phone i would take my phone 100 of the time yeah i mean that's you have a lot of your wallet on your phone and your phone can probably so would you probably for uh at least less than you think credit card Credit card? Yeah. Yeah. Sort of.

Starting point is 02:32:48 To be clear, I'm not talking for a year. I'm talking about you leave the house, you have time to grab one of the three. Which one is it? Keys. Okay. Let's assume that you have a way of starting. I'm being a jerk. You have your car key.

Starting point is 02:33:02 On a technicality. Okay. Well, I need to lock my house, so I need at least two of them. I need to get into the office, probably, so I need three of them. You don't need a key to get into the office. You need your phone. Depends what time it is. Probably you need your phone.

Starting point is 02:33:19 Anyway, I think you understand my point. Yes. So, it's one of those things that it makes sense that people are very emotional about. They interact with it more than probably almost any other device in their life, right? Probably more than their families in some cases. So I, I think there's a solid chance of both. I think I might get trolled, but I think the farthest the trolling might go is they want me to use an iphone for a month or something like that like i think people will actually want to vote for their phone that they love but we'll see you can do whatever you want can i though that poll's gonna

Starting point is 02:33:57 get trolled yeah i know i believe you i believe every poll gets trolled it's like a rule the internet i mean i we're gonna lay out at least some ground rules, right? Like I'm not going to use a phone that's not compatible with modern networks. Like that's just stupid. Um, so like, I think we,

Starting point is 02:34:13 we could, we could lay out a ground rule, like it has to support a reasonably modern version of Android or iOS. Like I'm not going to use an iPhone three GS that I actually have work to do. Like I have a life. Um, so yeah yeah you're right people might troll but it would be within reason um i don't know if that's true

Starting point is 02:34:33 i mean it'll have to be then we'll lay out rules i mean if we lay out those rules that i already gave it has to support at least the last couple versions of Android. So it can't be anything super old. And it has to support the latest version of iOS. You're saying, like, it can't be that bad? Yeah. Yeah, like, people might find some obscure thing. But, I mean, yeah, maybe that would be interesting. Like, there's tons of Android phones out there that you've never heard of from brands that, in some cases, you've never even heard of the brand.

Starting point is 02:35:01 Like, did you know Cat makes phones? Like, the tractor company? I don't know why I knew knew that but yes yeah they're they're super cool some of them have built-in thermal cameras actually pretty sick from fleer like actual like proper thermal cameras in them yeah um i have one that i keep at home um just because like occasionally we'll be doing a shoot at my house and it's like oh we need a thermal camera and we don't have the big one it's like ah yes but we have something which is better than nothing uh people asked if i gave up on the fold five i never switched to the full five i decided it was too much hassle and kept my fold three which i then promptly dropped in a pool so um i've been using my note nine you there was just a long

Starting point is 02:35:39 delay between filming and releasing that short circuit because of our production delay all right all right shall we get into these let's do it i'll try and get through them nice between filming and releasing that short circuit because of our production delay. All right. All right, shall we get into these? Let's do it. We'll try and get through them nice and quickly. Let's see. Oh, we've got them moving down. Any plans to make a plushy motherboard and case

Starting point is 02:35:56 to go with the plushy CPU and GPU? No, I think the novelty kind of wore off for people on the plushy CPU. It doesn't sell that well anymore. So we have some stuff coming. We on the plushy cpu it doesn't sell that well anymore so we have some stuff coming we have a plushy vr headset oh i saw that yeah that's awesome clean pillow nope oh not practical at all ah it's the vr headset for people who get nauseated by actual vr okay all right, it comes with little plushy controllers. It's a portable cave.

Starting point is 02:36:26 The first versions of the controllers were very phallic. Well, it's the stitching, you see, because the handle comes to a point, and there's a cross stitch right there. Yep. Yep, it looked like a pee hole. Ah. And the fact that you put your hands on them like this

Starting point is 02:36:43 really didn't help. Luke? Yes? Can we get a BG3 update Baldur's Gate 3 update an update they want an update uh I guess did playing yes yeah yeah I don't know I don't know what to say uh it's it's great it's absolutely fantastic. We'll see how Starfield goes in the long run, but it's potentially my game of the year. Absolutely amazing game. Larian should be extremely proud. If you haven't played it yet,

Starting point is 02:37:16 I would highly recommend it. It's beautiful. Work of art. What is the maddest you have gotten at a pet? What did they do? Dan is not a pet. I mean, not to you, I guess. Wonk.

Starting point is 02:37:33 Wow. Wow. Wow. Not to me either, to be very clear. He might be to someone. You don't pay me enough. But that's not my point. I'm just saying some people's relationships, I don't judge.

Starting point is 02:37:48 I don't shame. Some people have a certain dynamic. I'm just saying that we don't know. We don't know. I don't think I've ever gotten that mad at my pets. I have. Just train them. I haven't had cats.

Starting point is 02:38:05 I've had very stupid pets before. Oh. So, like, I mean, okay, okay. I used to get really mad at my goat because she would get out because she's a goat. Yeah, that makes sense. My parents said if she gets out anymore, we're going to eat her. I remember this story. Yeah, so, like, there was a lot at stake, sir. Yeah, I know I did that.

Starting point is 02:38:34 They're a little small to make steaks. You don't make those steaks. I've got a story. It's not actually being mad at my pet, but it was being mad and it had something to do with one of my pets. But when I was growing up, both of our dogs were getting to a very advanced point of age. being mad and it had something to do with one of my pets but when i was growing up um

Starting point is 02:38:45 both of our dogs were getting to a very advanced point of age um so we knew it was kind of coming but um my parents told me i had a hockey game and i this is like pre-online schedules right so you're like writing down information you hear from your coach um so i was like man i really don't think so but like okay so i like it's kind of sudden and weird like there was no like they tell me the night before or anything and it's like okay it's kind of like a weird time of day and like nothing really seems right but i throw my gear in the in the van and my dad and i go drive there and we get to the hockey arena, and it's, like, abandoned.

Starting point is 02:39:28 And I'm like, what? And it was a diversion because they had to go put one of our dogs down. And he was trying to, like... I did not appreciate that. I understand what they were trying to do. They have since apologized. I understand that they were trying to do it over the kindness of their hearts. There was no malcontent.

Starting point is 02:39:56 There was none of that stuff going on. Malicious intent. Malicious intent. There we go. Very close. Yeah. But I hated that. Yeah. But I hated that. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:40:06 I mean, look, I can vouch that Luke's parents, from everything that I've heard and seen. I wasn't even going to say that. Love my parents. I was going to say good people. Yep. That's more than just being a good parent. From everything I've seen, they are good people. And sometimes good people make mistakes.

Starting point is 02:40:27 I hated that. i hated that i hated there's very very few things my parents have ever done that i would say that i i hated very few i can't even think of any others at all um but but i hated that that sucked um yeah and i get it too because like there's that whole thing you hear when like it feels like your kids are aging super super fast. And maybe if I was a little bit younger, maybe that is what they should have done. But at that age, like I kind of like, I felt like I needed to experience that, if that makes sense. I needed to be there, all that type of stuff. So it sucked. But like, I don't know. Parents are going to screw up sometimes. Like it's fine. It's fine. I don't know. Parents are going to screw up sometimes.

Starting point is 02:41:04 Like, it's fine. It's fine. It just sucked. We had a really dumb dog that didn't recognize the difference between just, like, running around in the yard and his family being attacked. And couldn't seem to figure out, even though I still lived there, that I was part of the family. So whenever I would, like, run around with my little brother and, like you know or even like play fight with him or whatever uh he would like misunderstand in a big way which is like quite a few dogs it's weird they'll horse around with each other and they'll play fight with each other and they're fine if you play fight with them but

Starting point is 02:41:40 the second you play fight with each other as as humans they don't like that. Yeah. So he would get like very aggressive with me. And once he bit me so hard, he broke skin. And I still have a scar on my leg from it. So I was pretty mad about that. Yeah, that makes sense. I was like, sir, you need to stop. I'm sure that's how you dealt with it. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:42:01 Sir, sir, you're biting my leg, sir. Yeah. Sir, sir, you're biting my leg, sir. Yeah. Well, the thing is, like, it was a funny thing, because, like, he knew that I was definitely in charge of him, because, like, when I yelled at him about it, he, like, got it immediately and was like, whoops. And this is something we've talked about before, sir. So, you know, he knew, but he was just kind of dumb and would get kind of like riled up.

Starting point is 02:42:28 And, uh, yeah, very stupid, um, very stupid dog. Not very trainable, by the way. Like I've, I've, I've seen the spectrum. We were not good at training. I will tell you that much. Like just a family with five kids, you're going to get a lot of inconsistent signals for a dog. And my parents had very little interest in animals other than their function on the hobby farm,

Starting point is 02:42:49 right? Like that. So, yeah, but we saw, I've seen a very smart dog and then I've seen a very stupid dog and, um, basically same environment.

Starting point is 02:43:01 Some dogs just, yeah, dogs need more attention i i do think the potential for trainability is often higher than people think but it takes time if you ever met basil i promise you you would change your tune i've ran into a lot of people's dogs that they said that type of thing about um and have had more success than they've had literally killed by his own stupidity yeah i do remember that story yeah yeah that's basil i don't know yeah not a genius yeah um anywho yeah but like my my parents have a chihuahua yeah no no i know not known for being particularly smart knows tons

Starting point is 02:43:39 of tricks all this kind of stuff but my mom's also like an award-winning dog trainer yes and all this other stuff so it's like yeah yeah it can be way harder i can totally agree with that barely knew his own name and trust me we like tried that on that one most dogs will figure out how to come when they're called like even if you are a pretty incompetent trainer that is true he was kind that one not not the one that bit my leg Yeah, no, but this is not the yes, sir. This dumb one was he was very kind He absolutely meant well with absolutely everything he did but he couldn't do the right thing to save his life It's just a very very stupid animal. Yeah

Starting point is 02:44:21 Anyways moving on when will we get the WAN DLL pickle To go with the Botanifer scale Is that what these are? Those are cucumbers No, that was for you to take home and enjoy with your family They're Dan's No

Starting point is 02:44:37 No I meant that in a sweet way, not in a weird way Dan's mom grew those And they're very nice. No, stop it. Stop it. No. Stop what?

Starting point is 02:44:49 I'm looking at them. Stop it. Now, do you want the big one or the girthy one? I'm just holding them in my hand. Stop it! Both of you! I'm just holding both of them in my hand. Stop it!

Starting point is 02:44:58 One of them's for Luke. Oh. Stop it. Do you want to touch my pickle? I'm sure you could pickle them. Go on, Luke. Grab it. Oh, both hands. He jerked it. Oh my god. Jerked it right out of my hand. He played with that.

Starting point is 02:45:20 I'm blushing. It's going over here. It's safe over there. Stop. Stop. Stop. Thank you, Dan. You're very welcome. I hope you enjoy it. They're very good. What do we do? Oh god, I have a job. Hi DLL, still patiently waiting for Secret Shopper 3. Are there fun April Fool's videos ideas that would have been funny,

Starting point is 02:45:42 but you had to scrap? Or could you describe the brainstorming process for April Fool's videos ideas that would have been funny, but you had to scrap? Or could you describe the brainstorming process for April Fool's videos? I have a couple. I'll just delete them from my doc when we're done, because I think there's probably at least a couple that I can share with you that are just realistically never going to happen. Oh, and in response, no, I haven't finished painting my bike, so it hasn't turned out. I will get around to happen. Um, Oh, and in response, uh, no, I haven't finished painting my bike, so it hasn't turned out. I will get around to it. I think the shop that was working on the disassembly, like got busy for the summer and I had sort of told them when they took on the job,

Starting point is 02:46:15 like I didn't really expect them to work on it in the summer. Um, cause it's like a kind of big project and kind of a stupid project. Um, so maybe we'll get back at it very soon and then I'll, I'll get the painting going over the winter and then maybe write it next summer. Uh, LTT prep schedule. No, what is, what is this? Where's the video idea tracker doc? Hello buddy. See, this is what I'm talking about. This phone is like, I pressed back on this document. Yeah, there you finally saw it change. Um, yeah. Videott this is the one oh my goodness i clicked this dock like three times and it's she's thinking she's thinking about it hello there we go all right it loaded it loaded this it is a pretty massive dock in fairness all right april

Starting point is 02:46:58 april fools uh oh okay this uh this idea i came up with back when that that CPU walk in the rain video was sort of fresh on everyone's mind so it's line 102 in this document out of like 900 lines this is just like a general idea doc so it was gonna be a parody of like nature walks except I'm walking around in nature spotting stuff like servers and CPUs and computers. You know, kind of throw in a little... Like a David Attenborough? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 02:47:31 Yeah, the wild, you know, CPUs are frolicking here, and you can see they're... Oh, what's going on now? We've got a GPU coming in. Somewhere between David Attenborough and, like, Cro like crocodile hunter kind of thing Yeah, that's that's obvious that is ranked as a D idea D is for doom scroll

Starting point is 02:47:52 So if you want to just kind of doom scroll crap ideas and look for a little bit of inspiration. That's Okay, what else we got? This is really funny. I'm gonna hold on to that one Oh we got uh this is really funny i'm gonna hold on to that one um oh this is really funny uh we might do this one uh hey luke what do you think of this one um kind of in the bottom quarter are your eyes good enough to read that i guess your close-up vision's okay are you down it'd be a lot of work Wow That would be amazing but yeah that would be an immense Amount of work This was a fun one I don't think

Starting point is 02:48:33 We'd ever do this Wait Aren't there people there Well if they were ever not there it would be Funny That could be really funny actually This one April Fool's idea Intel extreme downgrade we're ever not there, it would be funny. I could be really funny. Actually. Um, uh, this one,

Starting point is 02:48:45 uh, April fool's idea, Intel extreme downgrade. We go to someone's house and take $5,000 worth of stuff. I like that. Leave them with like the arc Jersey. Yeah. Holes in the wall.

Starting point is 02:49:00 It's just like, Oh man, that'd be pretty entertaining. Um, this is a good one. Uh, we create the A. It's just like, oh, man. That would be pretty entertaining. This is a good one. We create the Akinator. You know, that thing that guesses celebrity names? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 02:49:12 But it gives out tech tips. And then, except it's just a massive BS dialogue tree that always spits out the answer. Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on again? Okay, I've given you guys enough. That's already some, some like kind of B plus a minus material said that one we should have just done that on one of the websites that's fine yeah it's okay we got lots of good ideas don't worry

Starting point is 02:49:32 every time people are like you guys are out of ideas I'm like you have no idea we have so many like smart talented creative people here there is no there's no shortage of ideas there's a shortage of time to execute them. There's no shortage of ideas. Jane wants the downgrade. I could use the downgrade. Jeez. It's just like a garbage removal system. Get rid of my stuff!

Starting point is 02:49:57 Please! Just take it. Too much! Too much crap. Okay, moving on. With the excitement of a new Bethesda game, I wanted to ask what was the worst bug you have encountered in a video game? I mean, worst is like if it just doesn't launch.

Starting point is 02:50:15 Yeah, I don't... That's one of my things with Bethesda bugs is they're usually just funny. Non-progression is always really frustrating. Not funny, yeah. Oh, I know the worst for me. Okay. Do you?

Starting point is 02:50:27 I mean, I was just thinking of the time I got really deep into Final Fantasy Tactics and I happened to build my main character as like kind of a lightweight. Like he wasn't big. He was like a support class. So he wasn't heavy DPS and he didn't have a lot of HP. And you get to this stupid fight with, I think, WeGraph or something like that, where he one-on-ones your main character until your main character can unlock the door to let in the rest of your party. And I would just get one hit. I couldn't even get across the room.

Starting point is 02:51:05 slow, you know, retro game save protocol and have multiple water falling saves or whatever you would call that. Like I didn't use all my save slots and then overwrite as I went. I just, I, there was no equipment and no class changes that I could make to him to survive this. And it was a non-progression problem.

Starting point is 02:51:23 It's not really like a bug, but it sucks. I have, I have two. one of them i was playing uh x-com iron man or whatever it's called where uh when people die it's permadeath and you only have one version of the save of your game so you can't like save scum to get someone back if they die um it's like a hardcore version of xcom this was years ago um and i got to the very final mission and for some reason opening the door to the boss's room would crash my game 100 of the time i tried on different computers i tried it on different versions of Windows. I tried everything. Could not progress from that point. So I just watched a Let's Play of someone beating the game and was like, all right, I guess that's it. Because I wasn't going to play through the entire thing again. Because it removes all your previous saves. You only have one save.

Starting point is 02:52:26 So I was just like, okay. I made it here. OMFG mine 2 killed me. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess this was like a thing. It's been too many years. I don't remember if I googled it and it was a thing or not.

Starting point is 02:52:40 But yeah, I couldn't get into the boss's room. And that was really disappointing. Because that felt like quite an accomplishment accomplishment and then the other one was outer worlds outer wilds and outer worlds came out at a very similar time outer worlds was an amazing game i loved it there's one room if i open the room the whole game crashes and i've tried it different gpus i thought it was a driver error for a while. I tried different GPUs, different versions of Windows, different computers, everything. Again, nope, doesn't work.

Starting point is 02:53:10 And it's just like, man, I've never gone back to the game. I really enjoyed playing it. Really good game, but I got a non-progression bug. I was just like, okay. I like Joe's answer. Tarkov is one giant frustrating bug. That is accurate, yeah. I can't bring myself to play anymore

Starting point is 02:53:25 I think the cheater expose actually just like broke it for me So I don't know They had a wipe. I tried playing I think I got like a couple hours into it was just like no There's also too many other good games. I didn't even mention this one. We've been talking about good games Battle bit I didn't even mention this one. We've been talking about good games. Battle Bit. Yeah. Battle Bit's awesome. Yeah, Alex Clark was telling me that I need to play it,

Starting point is 02:53:50 and I was like... Battle Bit's really fun. It's all the things that made Battlefield good back in the day. Yeah, it has weird Roblox graphics, but at least they were able to develop it more easily. It's pretty cheap, and it runs amazingly well. This is what I talk about. Spreadsheets. Games talk about spreadsheets. Games are just spreadsheets.

Starting point is 02:54:10 If the game is good, it doesn't matter what it looks like. Yeah. Right? Yeah, totally agree. Absolutely. It can look like whatever, but the core loop is there and the progression is there. Battle bit is fundamentally fun. It's fundamentally a good game.

Starting point is 02:54:23 I enjoy it. This is my core tenant when I do games is aesthetics don't matter. And it pisses off a lot of people because they don't understand that it actually really does matter. But if the game isn't fun to play, it's not a game. It's bad. Yeah, and like if Battle Bit looked better, that would be sweet. Tell us how you really feel, Dan. I used to play EVE Online. I don't get to have comments. I did too. Did you like to watch movies?

Starting point is 02:54:49 What's it like playing EVE Online? Well you watch movies. I've seen a lot of movies. Yeah, I don't know. I played like back in OG days, so there was no... I only had one monitor and all that kind of stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah oh yeah yeah i also played more recently but anyways anyways move it on uh linus how have you been liking your ecobee thermostat i don't care about anything smart home i just want to be lazy and control my thermostat from my phone uh they keep disconnecting from my wi-fi it's super annoying i don't know that that's necessarily the Ecobee's fault. But what I do know is that getting them reconnected is kind of a pain in the butt.

Starting point is 02:55:34 If I go and I just key in the password and click connect, it won't do it. I have to go get an iPhone, not an Android phone. I have to go get an iPhone and I have to go through the connection process on the iPhone and then it'll work every time. So that's, it's clearly one of those for Apple users first and for everyone else, I guess you exist as well, products from my experience with it. When they work, they work great. But you know, it's probably not helping matters that their integration with Home Assistant is kind of clunky in the way we're working. The way that we're using them is kind of hacky. So I think out of my nine, I think it is,

Starting point is 02:56:09 six are still connected over the summer while I haven't been using them because I only use them for heat. So I have to get a few of them reconnected and blah, blah, blah. So, I don't know. First time stubby screwdriver buyer. I mean, yeah, they are new. I'm in search of high quality socks to buy while waiting for the LDT socks to release.

Starting point is 02:56:31 What's your go-to sock brand? Darn tough. Don't ask Luke's. It's not as good. Icebreaker. They're not as good. I like them. I know you like them.

Starting point is 02:56:41 I need to write that down too. I didn't say you don't like them. I said they're not as good. Objectively, like our materials person was like, how the F about the darn tough socks? They're like really amazing. I don't know that having more materials makes it more better. It's not the more materials.

Starting point is 02:56:56 It's like the design is the composition of them. They're just like amazing. She was saying that there's maybe a handful of machines on earth that can weave like that um if anyone knows anyone who works at darn tough we have had a heck of a time we we would love to just co-brand with them at this point rather than trying to make our own socks um because i'm, I'm unwilling to put a sock on the store that I can't stand behind. And now that I've experienced darn tough socks,

Starting point is 02:57:29 I just can't enjoy anything else. Luke can. He likes his icebreakers and I'm really happy for him. I've also never had darn tough socks. But I do really like my icebreakers. And my icebreakers are a lot better than the demo prototype pair of socks that I tried on. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:57:45 Yes, they are. They just are. Yeah. So those were an early version of ones that we were trying to come out with and just... I'm happy we didn't go forward with those, to be honest. Nope. Because, yeah. I know.

Starting point is 02:57:57 I know. They weren't good enough. We kept trying. And to be clear, there's lots of different versions of our, like, proto socks. Some of them were probably better than what you have but none of them were good enough and oh yeah something to note is darn tough socks are super expensive they're like 20 us dollars a pair so i'm not necessarily really expensive too i don't remember how much they are but yeah i'm not even recommending them it hurts to buy i'm just saying they're really good i mean if you're gonna wear them

Starting point is 02:58:24 for like 10 20 years you know that's one of the things with why i bought these is because like i had a previous pair i bought one pair for hiking back in the day um and i still have that pair and i bought those i think eight or nine years ago and they're still great literally wore them yesterday so yeah i don't know. And to be clear. Or wait, no. Literally right now. You're not even necessarily talking 10 years with them. But the way that I wear through socks,

Starting point is 02:58:53 like I could wear through those like stupid champion Costco ones. They downgraded them significantly. The old ones were really good. And then the ones that they have now, or at least the last time i looked at them are garbage um and i would wear through them in like maybe five or six badminton sessions i would have a hole in the big toe uh or even like in the whatever the i don't know what is that it's not the heel of the foot it's the like here the ball in the ball of the foot um

Starting point is 02:59:22 from sliding from friction arch you're talking about where your your arches the ball of the foot. From sliding, from friction. Arch? Are you talking about where your arch is? No, the ball of the foot. Okay, so behind the toes. Yeah. So padding behind the toes. Behind the toes, but before the arch.

Starting point is 02:59:33 Yes. Yeah. Like seriously, five or six wears. Whereas darn tough, I can get easily like 25 to 50. They do have a lifetime warranty, but it's good for one time so you don't just have socks for life but given that i know that i will wear through every single one of them the cost is effectively 12 per pair of socks and they're really comfortable and they're really breathable and i don't have to like go replace them all the time which is annoying um

Starting point is 03:00:01 uh christopher s says luke would you be interested in a boeing factory tour the answer is yes if so hit me up i have no idea how you want them to contact you though so um i curated this but i can archive unknowingly because i don't like twitter that's actually the easiest way okay yeah so you can hit them up on x yeah or that thing i guess yeah it's gonna be one of those things where i start out calling it that because i'm memeing and then it'll just keep going and then i just keep doing it like gifs no no gif is just correct deal with it uh hi dll from the uk luke a fellow CTO, do you have any examples of where you have changed

Starting point is 03:00:45 or added a process and been surprised by the impact it had made on productivity, good or bad? With the CTO hat, I don't think I've really been in it long enough to do that. The main thing we've been doing is like, oh my God, look at the state of everything. We're actually working on potentially prepping a video for you guys, for the writer people of like, wow, this was the state of infrastructure.

Starting point is 03:01:13 I thought of this idea because he's off probation now, but I don't know if he wants me saying his name publicly, but the new IT guy. Oh yeah, we should ask because I think people would be like pretty really you know if uh they found out actually yeah that'd be cool i'll i'll i'll i'll make sure i ask him at some point um but he pulled out uh i believe was it a switch dan yes it was a network switch that is correct it was an old water-cooled networking. What was wrong with that? Oh, you know It's like probably the most corroded thing I've ever seen in my life and was also out of water corroded. Yeah

Starting point is 03:01:51 What do you mean by corroded? Didn't Elijah almost throw up? He unscrewed the top of the res and then smelt it and apparently almost threw up. Oh And that was running in production boys. It was sitting behind Andy's desk for the entire time I've worked here. Someone probably should have put some extra water in there and maybe some biocide at some point. I was scared to unplug it, because you don't turn off equipment like that. So we're gonna see if we can find more things in that realm. That'll probably be the headliner, because that's pretty amazing. But, yeah, I don't know.

Starting point is 03:02:26 I don't have a great answer for you because it's been like a low amount of months at this point. Um, but yeah, sorry. I don't know. Long time fan, first time merch messenger. I'm visiting Vancouver next spring and was wondering if there was any badminton updates to share. My local court is outside and closes in October. Um, no, if anything, it's a little bit stalled right now. We've been pretty busy. We had hired a business manager for it. And, you know, it's nothing personal. It just didn't work out. So within their 90-day probation, we basically agreed to part ways.

Starting point is 03:03:10 So that means we don't have one right now. And Yvonne and I realistically do not have time to run that business. So we're really hoping to, we're going to cast out the net again. And we're hoping to find a really solid applicant who basically wants to just kind of run a badminton center business. And I get to play there sometimes. Yeah, that's about where we're at right now. We're even having a lot of questions where it would be highly beneficial if it was someone who had literally ran a badminton center before. Because we were trying to figure out what software solution do we use for like online booking and stuff and there's a billion options yeah it's amazing how many options there

Starting point is 03:03:53 are because every pilates studio has to handle the same kinds of bookings things so of course there's like a zillion software as a service companies for, you know, all these zillions X, you know, some factor like, uh, martial arts studios and, and, you know,

Starting point is 03:04:14 yoga and fitness and dance and like ribbon education, whatever gymnastics, like, and a lot of them have really adversarial business models and like it's yeah it's kind of not great but oh well next up using up some of that alpaca wool linus and luke have you seen sanctuary shattered sun it looks like it's going to be the spiritual successor to supreme commander yeah the devs actually reached out to me um a while back and they were uh they were at a kind of fundraising

Starting point is 03:04:51 stage and i i basically said like look i i am very interested in the game it everything i've seen out of it looks amazing but i don't know anything about the gaming industry compared to what I know about the hardware industry. I wouldn't really be able to be like an activist investor. I wouldn't really be able to like open any doors for you or anything like that. I was also fresh off of the investment into Framework. So I wasn't really looking to throw more money into a furnace because at that time, that was really how that felt. looking to throw more money into a furnace because at that time that was really how that felt. Not because I didn't love the mission, but just because I didn't have a lot of faith in the mission since then.

Starting point is 03:05:36 Man, I've told Framework, I'm like, we talked about this on WAN Show. So I told them, yeah, the community is down. So if you guys like need more money, I'm potentially interested. Not that I really have any right now because of the badminton center, but you never know. If the timing's right, maybe there's something. But with Sanctuary Shattered Sun, the timing just wasn't good, but the game looks super cool.

Starting point is 03:05:59 It's kind of like you said, spiritual successor to Supreme Commander, but with a lot of new quality of life improvements. Should be way better performance. Supreme Commander doesn't really support multithreading. So when you've got like a couple thousand units on the field unless everyone has a 13 900k you are having a pretty bad time and i'm exaggerating a little bit but you one player in an eight game uh in an eight game uh excuse me in an eight player match that has a subpar cpu is going to slow down the simulation speed for everybody because all the combat is physics based every projectile flying through the air is simulated as opposed to just being like a dice roll

Starting point is 03:06:36 so it's pretty heavy um yeah i'd i'd be super i'd i'd be i'm ready to play it i'm very excited I'd be super, I'd be, I'm ready to play it. I'm very excited. Was wondering if you guys ever had any trouble with the USB reset bug Ryzen used to have or still has. Both my systems have constantly crashing USB. Sadly, made my mind to leave AMD for good. Also stubby. Sorry, I just accidentally archived one

Starting point is 03:07:03 where someone suggested putting the kids in scouts. We haven't. They already have too many activities. As for the AMD USB bug... Oh, you didn't archive that. I curated it. Oh. All right.

Starting point is 03:07:15 Well, there's the answer. Now I'm archiving it. No, I haven't had trouble with it personally. At least that I know of I've encountered some other really frustrating AMD bugs There's a sleep bug on Threadripper that just Makes your CPU Excuse me, makes your system blue screen

Starting point is 03:07:33 When your CPU is not doing anything Specifically when your CPU is idle It's like, as if I didn't feel abandoned enough On this platform already, AMD Thank you very much I've had it lock at 1 GHz before For ages, and you just can't do anything. Frustrating. But no, I haven't seen this particular bug. Enjoy your stubby screwdriver, though. Hi, Linus and Luke. How long would you say a flagship system should last with regards to being able to play the latest AAA titles at max settings?

Starting point is 03:08:04 This is a really interesting question. I curated this one because I wanted to talk about how that is, unfortunately, just not how it works. And I'm going to use game consoles as an analogy here. It's kind of like asking, how many years should you get out of a game console before it's time to upgrade? There are so many variables that are going to affect this time frame that are completely outside of your control and that you cannot predict. Nobody knows when the next game console is coming. Nobody knows how long developers are going to keep releasing games for it past its

Starting point is 03:08:45 successor's release date nobody knows uh well i guess yeah those are the two those are the two biggest factors um and then on the pc side of things nobody knows what your tolerance is for lowering settings maybe to you high is max settings as whereas for someone else, maybe it's ultra. Maybe to you, if it doesn't run at 4K resolution, it ain't worth shit, whereas maybe to someone else, well, they're more than happy with higher detail levels, but at 1440p or at 1080p. Maybe you're comfortable with using AI upscaling, whereas maybe they are like native resolution or bust.

Starting point is 03:09:25 So it's one of those questions that is so personal. You could buy a top-of-the-line system, okay, right before a new generation. Okay, if you bought a top-of-the-line system right before NVIDIA launched the 30 series, you'd feel like you got ripped. Yeah. Like they came in, stomped all over 20 series for performance, were really aggressively priced at first yeah and then if you bought a 3080 ti or something like that or i forget what the actual launch lineup was a 3090 if you bought a 3090 at launch

Starting point is 03:09:56 man you are sitting tight still you are still playing everything so So it's hard to say. Whereas if you had bought, yeah, if you'd bought like a 10 series top of the line, you got a long life out of that. If you bought a 20 series top of the line, I mean, it was fine, but was really superseded in a big way by 30 series. And then if you bought a 30 series, you're like sitting tight all the way through 40 series. So it really depends. And it also depends on what's going on more broadly in the gaming industry like all of a sudden we're getting all these super heavy titles that are pushing 30 90s 40 80s

Starting point is 03:10:34 to their limit right well why well it's because we're getting all these games that are developed to run at 4k 30 on a new generation of consoles and as pc gamers we're expecting them to run at 60 or 120 fps so all of a sudden pc gamers are going wow man this card that ran everything for all these years when everything was designed to run on the xbox one x or the playstation 4 all of a sudden it's being pushed to the limit it's like yeah because there's next generation games that are coming out by the truckload right now so i don't know it's totally up to you i'm afraid i do think that now is a pretty okay time to buy prices have fallen in a big way i hope that i hope that the basement for gpus is going to be lower. But CPUs are pretty darn approachable right now, especially with how cheap RAM is.

Starting point is 03:11:31 Like platform upgrades are pretty good right now. And yeah, GPUs, there are some deals to be had. And hey, there might be some new stuff coming that'll be pretty attractive as well. Linus, as someone in the business space, what are your thoughts on the value of staying loyal to an employer versus chasing better positions externally I think that anyone honest is going to tell you that you are going to want to at some regular interval at least consider whether your current situation is the right one for you we do it as a company every year we meet with

Starting point is 03:12:07 everyone and uh before we do that we meet with the exec team to kind of re-evaluate to rethink to kind of go okay um is lmg the best place for this person who we want to retain if it might not be how do we consider how to make it be and i think that people should be having those same thoughts on their own at at least that cadence if that kind of makes sense i do think if the if the answer is that you might want to go elsewhere depending on the reason i would make sure that you might want to go elsewhere, depending on the reason, I would make sure that you have that conversation with your... If you would like to stay where you're at, I'll say that. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:12:54 Because that gets over the depending on the reason part. If you would like to stay where you're at, but you're feeling like it's not working out for whatever reason, I would make sure that you're having those conversations internally. I can't speak for every company, but you know, anything is a relationship at the end of the day of some sort. It could be a toxic relationship. It could be a frosty relationship. But it is a relationship.

Starting point is 03:13:14 And if you want a frosty relationship, like a cool one, like you're not close. Ah, gotcha. Yeah. But if you're in a relationship and you have any desire whatsoever for it to continue, communication is key. Yeah. So both sides should be...

Starting point is 03:13:33 And you might want to stay there, but that company is just, you know, they're unable to meet what you need. And that's just life that happens sometimes. Yeah, or it could go the other way around sometimes yeah i i think one of the only uh one of the only really wise things that i learned from the actual big boss at ncix the smartest thing i think he ever said to me or the most i'll put it this way the most perspective changing thing he ever said to me was nobody stays at the same company forever it It was when I was on my way out the door already. I was, I was quitting. I had made it clear that I was, I intended to leave. And, you know, he, he tried to renegotiate once. And when I basically said firmly, no, I am,

Starting point is 03:14:19 this is my intention, option A or option B, I either go to a competitor or you sell me the channel um we work out a deal uh he basically went okay and we and we moved on he didn't linger there and i kind of i asked him later i was like you didn't like counter off for more um and he's like well nobody stays at the same company forever or like nobody works at the same place forever and it's like it was uh it was really perspective changing for me because i had never really thought about it that way to me ncix was the only place that i had ever really enjoyed being that's really true and it's actually just like actually not it is broadly pretty true on average people change careers like every six years common yeah yeah it's like broadly pretty true very few people do that sure the exact same very few companies even exist long

Starting point is 03:15:12 enough for someone to spend their entire adult career maybe like a helpful thing for him to say to not take it like personally on departure because i don't think he necessarily should because yeah yada yada yada yada but people do it was a way of saying it was it was a way of saying yeah that it's not personal and relationships end and that's okay yeah and it's time for both of us to move on and that's okay yeah um and so yeah it was just it was just kind of it was perspective changing for me because ncix was my first real career job that i felt like like i worked as a lifeguard and I worked like painting houses, but I was, I was doing odd jobs. I didn't have a career at that point. And so, you know, for me, it was actually probably a more traumatic breakup than the other way around. Like I loved that company in an irrational, like fanatic kind of way. I, I, like I, I learned about computers on

Starting point is 03:16:01 their community forum, you know? Yeah. And so I, um, and so, yeah, you know yeah and so i um and so yeah you know to to have him kind of counter once and then basically just move into negotiations with me on how to move forward it was like i just i i don't know i don't know what i was expecting but i i i think part of me wanted them to want me you know like i just yeah like i said i loved that company um and i i don't think looking back on it that that was necessarily at a healthy level i think that you can believe in a company i think you can believe in a mission i think that you can really enjoy the people you work with whether they're your reports or whether they're your boss or whether they're your peers or whatever else.

Starting point is 03:16:53 But I think that the way that I had bought into the brand there was not necessarily great for my career. I mean, for me, though, the experience of working there was, I think, really different from a lot of people. Like I was a strong negotiator on my own behalf. And so, you know, I would hear other people complain about not being paid enough there. And I was like, I don't know, I get paid a lot. I don't know what to tell you other than like generate more value and then go ask for more money. Because that's what I did and it worked out great for me. But like not everybody, not everybody takes that approach and not everybody can. Also doesn't work out for everyone at every workplace.

Starting point is 03:17:20 No, 100%. Things like that. You might try that at your workplace and basically just get shown the door. I don't know right so You know my experience was my experience, but it doesn't necessarily translate Anyway, I'd yeah, I still you know I still It's less now you know having Taryn here helps, but there's still some days when I'm like oh, yeah That was a that was a cool team. you know? It was a cool team.

Starting point is 03:17:47 Howdy, LLD. I didn't like it. What? Oh, NCIX? Yeah, they treated you like crap. Yeah, cool team, my butt. That's okay. You're a cool team now.

Starting point is 03:17:57 It wasn't Taren's fault. My team's cool. Yeah. Your team's super cool. Howdy, LLD. I installed GPS and automation on heavy equipment, dozers, graders, and pavers. Any comment about these seams coming apart?

Starting point is 03:18:11 I really like the jacket, but I can't have it fail when I'm working. Oh, which jacket is this? I assume it's the... Well, it would be in the order, right? The working jacket. Let me check. Oh, there's a drop-down.

Starting point is 03:18:25 Nope, it's a drop down. Nope. It's a stubby screwdriver and a jerry-rig everything knife. I assume you're talking about the workshop jacket. If you have any problems with it, I know there's a couple of reviews that mention that issue. If you have a problem with it, trust me, bro, we got you. Contact customer service. They will get you sorted out. And if they don't, then you can link them to this WAN show segment and they will get you sorted out and if they don't then you can link them to this WAN show segment and they will get you sorted out what's next what is an out

Starting point is 03:18:53 are you asking us are you asking yourself no I don't know where am i what is an outrageous tech related conspiracy theory that you've come across um an outrageous tech conspiracy theory where do you even get these um people send them in from your website i know where you get them from oh man i mean is it the nanobots and the vaccines like are that's kind of, that's a tech conspiracy theory. It's not exactly, it's not exactly a new one. The chemicals in the water for the frogs. Microchips in the COVID vaccine were like a thing. But I don't think that's what he's talking about.

Starting point is 03:19:37 I don't think there's a time. NVIDIA doesn't care about gamers anymore. That's outrageous. No, I'm just kidding. That's like totally. There's some like, are your cell phones constantly listening to you because of the uh suggested ads and the cell phone companies say that those suggested ads are not based off that some people have experimented and found that it's like i'm i'm not sure if i believe that yeah i've seen experiments that lean both

Starting point is 03:19:58 directions but yeah i don't know i kind of think they do I don't know. I kind of think they do. I don't know. In regards to the copyright discussions with Twitch streamers a few weeks ago, how do you guys feel about MediaShare? Okay, I had never heard of MediaShare until reading this message, but I looked it up, and if it's what I think it is, it seems really cool. Viewers can send you songs when they tip you, and you can choose ones you like, so the media has been paid for,

Starting point is 03:20:36 presumably somebody has been compensated, and you play them on stream. That just seems super cool. Seems cool. Yeah, it's kind of like if there was a way to mute the background music track of a YouTube video and just play music out of your own library that you like as a background track. You're basically contributing your own soundtrack

Starting point is 03:20:58 to the content that you consume. No, it wouldn't be. I'm just saying. It's like the... This used to be a feature in games. You'd have like the jukebox in the game or whatever. It could access local files. Do you remember that?

Starting point is 03:21:11 I do remember that. That was actually really cool. And there are games now where you can buy music, like especially music games like Beat Saber. There are ones that license a certain number of, you know, A-tier titles. I think that's really gone out of fashion now that there's been some lapsed licensing and then it has been complicated for that game,

Starting point is 03:21:35 both for streamers and just for the game to continue being sold. But that was kind of cool when that happened. Looking forward to getting the new merch. I am curious if the team has ever thought about creating a board game or not. If you could make a board game, what would it be? That's the problem. That very end bit. A truly creative, engaging board game is like a full-time job.

Starting point is 03:22:02 Oh, yeah. It's very hard to make. Yeah, it's not the kind of thing very hard to make yeah like it's not the kind of thing that i would just be like her her let's make a board game it's like basic let's skin the game of life and just you've used luke and linus as the characters and then the careers are like youtuber and like data center you know i really like highly strategical very difficult co-op board games okay Okay. But those exist. So like, it's not like that's a new idea.

Starting point is 03:22:27 Yeah, I think that's the other big part of it is have we even, it's like... Are we contributing anything? I've talked about this a fair bit, right? Like if I was going to make a game, it would have been CrossCode or Chained Echoes or from what I've heard, Sea of Stars. Yeah. Why would I make that when people are already making that and I can just play it for $39.99 or whatever?

Starting point is 03:22:50 Compared to how much I would have to invest to make that. So it's the same with board games. Why am I going to contract someone or hire a team or spend a bunch of time on it when realistically I don't have time to play all the amazing games that other people are already creating. Yeah, that's one of those ones where I'm just happy to let somebody else go be creative and cool and I'm just going to enjoy it. I wanted to chime in and ask Luke if he's made any decisions about a new phone yet. I have the same phone and I'm very curious to what you'll pick next.

Starting point is 03:23:23 Oh, I don't know if I'm going to be able to get away from Pixel. So I'm probably waiting for this, what, October for the launch of, or the announcement at least, I don't know, of the Pixel 8 Pro. That's where my head's currently at. But I don't know. I've had a lot of frustrations with my last couple of Pixels. but I don't know. I've had a lot of frustrations with my last couple of pixels, but every time I start looking into another phone, I start looking into the OS that happens to come with that other phone. And I'm like, ah, there's certain things that I really like about a very stock Android experience, um, with the pixel features on top of it. no i do not want to get a pixel fold um

Starting point is 03:24:06 so yeah probably pixel some some flavor of pixel 8 i know i said pro um but i i'm yet to see the prices for things and that might influence stuff um jake dane says talk to me Tuesday. So, I mean, maybe that'll influence my decision. Um, yeah, I, I, I'm not, I'm not decided, but I've basically timelined myself, uh, because my, I, my phone was on top of my, my clothes when I was swimming at Linus's place and I had a black shirt and my black phone was on top of my black shirt and I picked up my shirt and my black phone was on top of my black shirt and I picked up my shirt to put it on afterwards and it flipped off and it smacked into like the the stone steps

Starting point is 03:24:51 near your pool and the screen cracked so it's like it's on its way out it's still usable but it's like it's it's time to like plan for a new phone you know um the screen separated a little bit from the body and it's cracked slightly um so and it's like getting like marginally worse all the time so i think by the time october comes around it'll be like i need a new phone um but i'm pretty sure i can hold out until then but yeah i'll talk to i'll talk to Jake about it. We'll see what he says. Howdy from Idaho. You have talked a lot about some of the stress and trouble that can come from owning a business, but what's your favorite part of owning a business? People. People are the worst and hardest part of running a business. And they're also the best and most rewarding part. I think I've said that before, but like the reason why I like my current job

Starting point is 03:25:45 is just because I really like my team. There isn't like anything particular about my actions of what I do in my role that I'm like, I love that. I do love seeing the output of all the people on my team. That's really cool. Because I feel like I have some amount of like micro contribution to all of it.

Starting point is 03:26:03 But yeah, I really like my team. Any thoughts on different colored stubbies? I'd love a yellow one. If it sells really well, then we already have most of, not just the molding, I mean, obviously with the molding, but we already even have parts shot.

Starting point is 03:26:24 Like here, Luke, can you throw me that yellow screwdriver and a stubby, please? So if you look at this, molding i mean obviously with the molding but we already even have parts shot like here luke can you throw me that yellow screwdriver and a stubby please so if you look at this we are only one molded part away from making this yellow the end cap is the same the selector ring is the same the accent ring is the same so all we have to do is take shot yellow selector rings put this shaft on it on the ratchet mechanism and then we just have to shoot some yellow ones of these the problem is that there's minimums in terms of the runs in terms of ordering the dyes for the plastics in terms of what is just practical for us to keep track of

Starting point is 03:27:06 for skew count at our third-party logistics company. So we're going to have to see stubby sell well in black, which is the most popular color. And after that is proven, then we might look to explore different colorways, whether it's like a Noctua or a Retro or a Yellow or different solid colors or whatever the case may be. I could see us doing, now that we have kind of gotten the hang of working with these plastics and we know that it's reliable and doesn't have to be hot press, like it is too spec with the cold press,

Starting point is 03:27:41 even if it's not quite as gripped on it's it's it's very very close um so knowing that it would be easier for us to stock parts and then and then build drivers from them um so it's possible you would see more limited time drops from us in the future but that's still very much TBD. What's your opinion on the EV industry switching to Tesla chargers? Do you think they will further solidify Tesla's position in the market? I don't care which one. I actually don't care.

Starting point is 03:28:21 It could be the 4 one, the Tesla one. I don't care. I'm just glad that the industry has made a fricking decision and the momentum is swinging away in particular. It's not like Tesla and everyone else. And if we can all do that, then I'm happy. Multiple standards for things like charging outlets is really bad. We saw this in the phone space

Starting point is 03:28:45 where you had to have a different stupid cable and different stupid hookup or adapter for every stupid phone, and it sucked. And I'm just glad that whoever wins, I have no horse in this race, I'm glad it's over, or that it hopefully will be over at some point. And I'm saying this as someone with a Taycan,

Starting point is 03:29:04 with a notikan with a not tesla standard charger um so that'll might be inconvenient for me at some point on public infrastructure but i'm just i'm just glad that it's not going to be like this forever hello lld my so wants the new tv above the fireplace our current is placed up there uh what can i say other than it's too high compared to where we sit? There are other location options. Heat can be bad for the long-term reliability of the TV.

Starting point is 03:29:34 And also, it's too high for where you sit! He's really passionate about this. There's a whole subreddit for this. Have you seen it linus you know what you should do oh yeah take your so take your so out to the movies go straight to the front row sit down with them go go early so you're in an empty theater go straight to the front row sit down with them in the front row put your arm around them grab grab kind of grab their arm and then like lean back together

Starting point is 03:30:05 be like isn't this great and when they're like no you'd be like okay so we need to talk about where the tv is mounted there i got you uh i don't know who curated this. I don't care. It just says, Stubby Me Daddy. I did not. That may have been a misclick then. Okay, well, it's getting broadcast. All right. Thank you, Jake. Hi, DLL.

Starting point is 03:30:34 It's 2050, and you've just finished writing your autobiography. What is it titled? Mine would be, I Couldn't Help Myself. Just like Jake D. Just like Jake D. Thanks, Jake D. I thought it was a very optimistic title that I just thought would be a really cool title for an autobiography for a tech person.

Starting point is 03:31:00 But I think wouldn't be appropriate for me that I came up with was be iconic because icons. Yeah, like if it was like a Steve Jobs level character, like a Wozniak or something like that. Well, not Wozniak, someone with like a strong personal brand. So like a Steve Jobs. I could see that being like just a really cool title. I don't think I have a particularly strong personal brand I think we've seen plenty of evidence for that over the last little while I do my thing and you guys

Starting point is 03:31:31 tolerate it let's go um but yeah I think I think that'd be a super cool name I have no idea what I would what I would call what I would call mine I don't know I don know. I don't even know if I'll ever do it. It would be less of an autobiography and more of just like some text diarrhea on a page and if you enjoy it, then cool. I don't have a good enough memory, I think,

Starting point is 03:31:59 to write something truly autobiographical. Then again, I'm not convinced most people who write them do i think you could do a decent amount of recall if you watched old videos and used that old video to try to center your mind in that time but that would only be professionally i wouldn't remember everything that i thought or went through personally i've gone through i've i've looked

Starting point is 03:32:22 back at old videos and in watching that video have remembered like, oh, I'm wearing like that shirt. Or I, from that concert I went to or, or I did my hair in some weird way or I was standing in, hey, weird. I remember this orange set that used to be in the studio that had like a world map and a ladder. Like, why the heck do we do that? Oh, that reminds me of the meeting that we had with these other people that didn't work at the company and the reasons why we thought that was going to be good and that ties now i'm remembering those other people and i remember hanging out with them and like it it kind of branches repeatedly um i don't know like you might watch an old video of yours and see that you're like super tired and remember that your your first one used to cry a lot.

Starting point is 03:33:06 And it might make you think like, oh, maybe this was like at this time when these things happened. And it just like, I don't know. I find stuff like that can spark memories really easily. I feel like what's really interesting to me about something autobiographical is the details, the anecdotes. And I feel like that's what I'd be missing a lot of.

Starting point is 03:33:22 You'd lose a decent amount of that. I don't remember almost any of like my kids things like uh i don't remember the first words and stuff like that it's somewhat surprising how much stuff you don't remember i just i i um uh someone that i know okay you guys remember ivan right um who used to work here uh he has this uncanny memory for just like a thing that i said to him nine years ago or whatever and every time he tells me a story i'm like that sounds highly plausible i have no recollection that this ever took place and it's not because it's not memorable or funny or cool or something. I just, I could tell you the exact model number of some motherboard I had installed 10 years ago, but I couldn't tell you like a human interaction I had. I just, I don't, I don't process it that way. a people person which is i think um a double-edged sword for me

Starting point is 03:34:30 it's like when when when the merch message about like what's uh the best thing about running a company and i said the people but then i also said it's the worst thing it's like what's the best thing about life people what's the worst thing people what is worse than people but what's better than people you know they're they're amazing they're beautiful they surprise you you know like it's people are complicated the only sketchy thing I find about your memory is sometimes when agreements are made oh like about what you just like don't remember them oh yeah but i know you don't remember our old like computer agreement but you still honor it yeah because it sounds plausible so like so it's fine my approach is i just always do what i would do and i just tell the truth and so if i in good faith do what I would do, and I'm honest.

Starting point is 03:35:27 I've never actually had it be a problem, but it is something that's been top of mind often. We'll make some deal, and I'm like, he's not going to remember this. So if I did some really good negotiation, or got this through in some crazy way because of some reason, I'm like... But there have been times. And you've explained what the negotiation was and I've been like sounds plausible he'll sometimes be like mad about it but be like okay it's like all right like it I I will admit it has never been a problem but it is still something that I like think about every once in a while like he's not gonna remember I

Starting point is 03:36:11 Know it's it's been fun. I don't have the attention to detail to be duplicative That is actually something that don't ask me how but I learned from my now wife then girlfriend I I Do not have the capacity to I do not have the capacity to get away with things because I'll forget and I will say something inconsistent and it's like, all right, it doesn't work for me. So for better or for worse, transparency is the way I go. And sometimes, boy, is it ever for worse. Last one of the curated I've got for you today who's luke's favorite character in baldur's gate triple oh um carlack for sure but uh it's an interesting question because I actually like, am not a huge fan of a bunch

Starting point is 03:37:07 of them, but I think, I think that's a good thing. I think that's me. Yes. Yeah. I do not like all the characters. Yeah. And that's great because there's lots of characters. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:37:22 There's a bunch of characters and the reasons why I don't like some of them, it makes me, I'm like, I don't like this about this person, but there's an extremely large looming threat and this person is potentially very useful for me. I think that makes it better. I don't want you in my party and I don't like you very much,

Starting point is 03:37:41 but we have to be friends. It makes it feel more real. It's very, very good. I wouldn't like you very much, but we have to be friends. It makes it feel more real. It's very, very good. I wouldn't expect every one of those people that came together for the reasons that they came together. I'm going to stay vague just because someone hasn't played this game. It's just like D&D. I wouldn't expect me to like all of them all that much. How did a video game do this?

Starting point is 03:38:00 I found myself, I'm out adventuring, and then I'm i'm like crap i need this person that i hate and you kind of have like that that sheepish you know looking at your feet so much better than apathy yeah yeah someone someone oh my god it is yeah the worst thing a companion can be is uninteresting yeah and they are all interesting they're incredibly well written yeah i yeah i mean you you walk up to them and you're like not uh i ugh, I have to get this guy so I can min-max. It's like, ew, I have to talk to this horrible character and now I have to make them useful. It's a video game. They don't really exist. It doesn't matter.

Starting point is 03:38:35 There's at least one character that I actively dislike but is still in my party because I'm like, ugh, you're annoyingly useful. I think I know who you're talking about. party because i'm like you're annoyingly useful i think i think i know you're talking about every time they screw up i like they miss or something like that i'll just be like idiot worst you suck get wrecked get out of my party it's my party sorry yeah but yeah yeah uh carlack for sure um easy first place. After that, it gets a little muddy. Yeah, I think I'm talking about Gale, Geofig. Just hit it! I hate Gale.

Starting point is 03:39:13 You have one job, and it's to throw things, and they connect with other things. You idiot! Yeah, I really like one of the custom characters that i made um but in that playthrough i just make sure i have carlack all the time in the in the game that i have with wendell i'm actually just playing carlack and that's very cool and very fun i like that um she's awesome i i really disliked laizel at the start but then as you get to have more conversations with her and as as you get into deeper conversations

Starting point is 03:39:47 with her and stuff she actually grew on me a lot she's pretty i had the same experience i don't understand how they did that i think it was just amazing writing it was really incredible because you also have to balance the mechanics of it too because you need her in your party to like be functional and you have that moment with you you start with her and you're like oh i really hate this person in my party but i need them to be functional and then as you get better at the game you like them more and they become deeper and yeah i don't know i don't know how that's just yeah why don't i try surprisingly attached to the characters in that game it's weird they're very very well written i told you I had that weird moment

Starting point is 03:40:25 where I was looking at my quest table and I was reading like what to do next. And it just sort of said like, eh, do the thing. And I had this moment of realization where it was kind of, okay, so the quest just tells me stuff that I should be doing,

Starting point is 03:40:44 not that I have to be doing. I can do whatever I want. And then it didn't become a video game anymore. It was actually fun. I think that's, I'm going to branch this slightly and talk about Starfield, which is on the table as well. I think that's one of the constant problems with Bethesda games. And I was kind of talking about this earlier,

Starting point is 03:40:59 where people are like, oh, like I have already somehow spent 100 hours in the game, and I blasted through the main quest, and I blasted through all this other stuff, because I wanted to be the first one to hit all these achievement points and stuff like that, and now I'm done. It's like, okay, that's totally valid. You can play the game that way if you want. You can do Disneyland like that.

Starting point is 03:41:19 Yeah. I don't think it's the—if you really want to extract the most out of it, that's not going to be the best way. Just kidding can't do Disneyland like that they make you wait in line yeah even with the fast pass but like Starfield Disneyland sucks they build things into it that make it so that you can skip a lot of

Starting point is 03:41:39 the really valuable parts of the game and they do that because some people are going to want to. I know people that played Skyrim that did zero, they usually, these types of people, usually didn't play Oblivion in Morrowind. But I know people that played Skyrim that did zero of the side quests,

Starting point is 03:41:56 zero of the factions, just went straight through the main quest and they were like, that was a cool game. And then they moved on. And I'm like, wow. Like the best parts of that game you did not play like there's there's a quest that i i don't think most people have ran into but uh you get drunk with shio gorath in a bar and then you go on a drunken night of shenanigans with shio gorath

Starting point is 03:42:17 and then you wake up at the end and have to like deal with all the consequences of the things that you did and it's amazing and it has nothing to do with the main quest in the game you have to find that by experiencing the world and i i feel like the bother's gate there's like more of it it like makes you experience it in a cool way um which is great but bother's gate and starfield both of them you gain so much more from those games from letting yourself wander letting yourself explore and just absorbing in the atmosphere and the writing in the game and they're just so much better how much does Bethesda pay you that was one of my uh I watched the making of Morrowind movie video whatever you call it uh

Starting point is 03:43:03 and I was determined when I was a kid to go work for them when i grew up and then they uh did certain things and now it's fine i don't need to go work there okay yeah this was morrowind era this was pre-horse armor uh thanks bethesda yeah yeah uh linus you want to go through these you want me to read them what's your what's your plan here i i mean yeah there's only four so hey there lld the variation of different types of mystery screwdrivers produced will be 5040 that's seven factorial factorial uh do you plan on making more or less than this i'm interested to know how rare these screwdrivers are um okay hold on a second is is is that the math what the what the heck is factorial it's been a while i play too much factorial uh factorial i think is like uh the

Starting point is 03:43:54 amount of permutations that you can create because you have to use one of every single part and there's seven different colors so it's like seven times six times five times four times three times two times one, I believe, if I Google that. But we could have all of the same. But even then, if I just do seven times seven to the power of four, that's still only 2,401 combinations. How do you do the math for this? I cannot remember statistics.

Starting point is 03:44:24 I pushed as much as I could from my brain with alcohol yeah statistics is evil um i don't think it's statistics um can someone do the math for us so there are actually eight colors for one thing um because black is also in mystery so there are four components there's the selector ring the accent ring the handle and the top the cat end cap um and then they can any one of them can be in any of eight different colors theoretically you could get an all solid color random mystery driver we don't control for anything we just grab whatever um so so what's the math on that so yeah it's just eight to the power of four then right i think 40 96 that's what people are saying in the floatplane chat and they're more credible than uh twitch chat wait

Starting point is 03:45:25 no someone says 40 000 um 40 96 permutations that's got to be it they're only silver shaft yeah so there's about 4 000 different combinations um we don't plan on making a specific quantity of them it's just based on what we have kicking around. We'll see how long they last. And it's the same for the colored ones. I saw someone ask, hey, how long are you going to have the green one? My company might want to order a bunch of them

Starting point is 03:45:53 and equip all of our tech to order them now. I don't know if we will restock them. I don't know what colors we would restock. It all just kind of depends on how they move. So if that's something that you want, then you do need to get it. How many stubbies have you sold today i actually don't know i can tell you though that um a few during the show there's been hundreds of merch messages and item number one most popular is stubby screwdriver i might have a number for you if you would like me to say it

Starting point is 03:46:22 uh yeah it's not accurate though okay because the Because it's 411, but the dashboard doesn't cap. Oh. No, the tally that's been running all night. Oh. Is it somewhere in the 3,000, 4,000 range? Something like that? Oh, wow. Okay.

Starting point is 03:46:41 Yeah, apparently it's just shy of 5,000 so far today. Wow, that's a really solid launch. Hey, thanks, guys, for. Okay. Yeah, apparently it's just shy of 5,000 so far today. Wow, that's a really solid launch. Hey, thanks guys for your support. But also, you're welcome. It's a solid product. I'm really confident in this one just because it's all proven stuff other than we did a new plastic proud of the team, I think, is probably the easiest thing for me to say with 100% confidence. You know, I'm not going to... I think that you and I have engaged in a fair transaction. It's a really good product. You're welcome. And also, thank you for your business. And the team has done an amazing job of bringing this thing to market, getting it ready in time for LTX, and then following up with the launch here.

Starting point is 03:47:28 Yep. Luke, Dan, and Linus, hello from a Canuck brother. Adding to my quest of food questions. What is your dream breakfast? Mine is waffles with strawberry yogurt and syrup with Costco breakfast sausages. Dream breakfast? I mean, ugh. I've never really been a breakfast person because I have like a very averse reaction to eggs.

Starting point is 03:47:53 I guess I'll say dream breakfast is something that I don't, I'm not, they have, the calories are fake and they don't matter. Then it's going to be Belgian waffles with a bunch of whipped cream and a bunch of fruit. Have you been to Kraus Berry Farm? Yeah. Okay. So. I haven't gotten it though. What?

Starting point is 03:48:11 That's their thing. The one time I went for that reason. The one time I went for that reason, they only had raspberry. Oh, right. And I'm not that into raspberry. All right. It's like the worst berry. And it's also not a berry

Starting point is 03:48:25 every once in a while we find something that we disagree about very strongly this is one of those once in a while's you don't like raspberries it's not a berry who cares it's delicious I'm not that into raspberries I don't like the bitter Rhode Island isn't an island

Starting point is 03:48:44 what you hate it now? Yeah, no, I'm not that into it. I like blackberries. I like blueberries. What, are not blackberries a berry now? I don't think it is. Your logic is extremely inconsistent, sir, and I'm finding it upsetting. No, I'm just not, I'm not really into the bitter.

Starting point is 03:49:05 Yeah. It's the sour not really into the bitter. Yeah. It's the sour, it's not bitter. Oh, maybe you have crappy raspberries then. Maybe. There's lots of different varieties. This is something that I thought about recently because Dan's mom, the person who grew the cucumbers, also grows raspberries. And I was mentioning about how I don't like raspberries and I was like, but maybe I would like these because it's very possible I've just had like everything that you're describing you don't like about raspberries sounds like Not normal raspberries. Don't forget raspberries like maybe I've just had junk raspberries raspberries. Don't you keep well? Oh, they do not

Starting point is 03:49:35 So this is maybe part of the problem too. Yeah, I'm not saying there's like no chance Okay, if you get them at the grocery store, they science with okay, so that's the only ones I've ever had You just need to go like berry picking. And get to use some raspberries. Across Berry Farm. And eat them on a waffle. That's what they do. I was also,

Starting point is 03:49:53 this was also very recently, so I was in my like trying to lose weight phase. Fair enough. Yeah. I'll rediscover good raspberries at some point. Pretty sure you've just

Starting point is 03:50:03 eaten moldy raspberries. I don't know if they were moldy, but they're definitely grocery store raspberries. They sure weren't good, I can tell you that much. Yeah. All right. I answered a bunch of these already. Hey, LLD, what components should be the focus

Starting point is 03:50:15 of a music production PC that utilizes a lot of virtual instruments? You answer this. I have to answer this? Yeah, why would we answer this? I already answered it. I already replied to it. Okay, let me think. CPU, lots of RAM. Good IL. Really, really, really good single-core performance from the CPU.

Starting point is 03:50:32 You also need a secondary PCI card for USB Thunderbolt or MADI or Dante. If you use the internal motherboard, the graphics drivers can interact with the USB thing and you get clicks and pops and increased latency and video drivers are pretty bad for latency there's one or two USB chips that are really good that's about it I don't know budget goodbye oh wait I have to continue talking because there's another merch message hey DLL something I this has never happened to me before. Hey, DLL, something I have thought about a lot. Why do you think companies focus on pure electric cars instead of improving hybrids? Because plug-in hybrids were really hard to communicate i've talked about this on the show before but the the volt was like

Starting point is 03:51:26 an awesome car that people who who get it get it and love it and people who don't have it leave really bad reviews for it i feel like plug-in hybrids got wii u'd yeah like plug-in hybrids to me before i experienced your vault my understanding of plug-in hybrids were those really crappy ones early on, where it was like basically a really big car battery. And like you couldn't actually just drive just electric. Yeah, so just a hybrid. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:51:53 Yeah. But plug-in hybrids were basically like EVs with a gasoline range extender. Which is amazing. Best of both worlds. Now, even a lot of the, you like the prius prime for example i think is a stupid plug-in hybrid because it doesn't have enough range at least for me if you drive a shorter distance it could work great for you but for me i couldn't commute to and from work on battery which is what i want so that i'm not burning fuel all the time yeah but what's good

Starting point is 03:52:20 about it is like the volt you could just gas it up and drive as far as you want and gas it up again and drive as far as you want. And it would behave like a really efficient hybrid that whole time. So driving on the actual hybrid mode where it uses both is like insanely efficient. I think dealerships didn't properly understand it, didn't get proper training. I think that the manufacturers were not really that incentivized because there wasn't a ton of profit in it because they had complex drive chains. Excuse me. Yeah, trains. Drive chains.

Starting point is 03:52:54 Bicycles on the mind, apparently. Complex drive trains, trains in some cases. I think that there wasn't a lot of I think there wasn't a lot of understanding about them from a consumer standpoint the petrol heads the ambassadors of the motor world were super not into them they don't sound cool

Starting point is 03:53:15 they don't go fast and I think it was hard to communicate the savings when everyone wants the efficiency of a vehicle just boiled down to like an EPA rated something when actually with these cars, it really depends how you drive them. If you never touch the gas tank, you are going to get amazing efficiency out of it. And if you're one of those people who just drove it on the gasoline engine the whole time you had it, then you're not.

Starting point is 03:53:46 It's still going to be okay. It's still going to be a boat like a hybrid. So that's good. But it's not going to be amazing. Yeah, it's sad to me because I thought they were super cool. Just like I think it's super cool to say, hey, thanks for tuning in. We'll see you again next time. Same bad time, same bad channel.

Starting point is 03:54:03 Bye. we'll see you again next time same bad time same bad channel bye

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