The WAN Show - You Should Own Your Games - WAN Show July 4, 2025

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What's up everybody and welcome to the WAN show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys. Apple really, really wants you to see F1 the movie. So much so that they would become everything they sought to destroy. What was the title today? I don't even... oh yeah, right! Right! The whole, um... How is this so controversy? Stop killing games? Controversial? Yeah, you know, how is this so controversy? Stop killing games?

Well, we'll get to that, but stop killing games is a thing. Maybe, or maybe it won't be, or maybe it is. Oh! Ha ha! What an intro to a topic. It's not an intro to a topic, it's an intro to the show. Right. We'd hate to misrepresent this and have people who are just tuning in for the first time think that this is a hinged show.

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They had enough. They did. What are you leaning? What are you doing? I was showing the logo. Stop killing games! You always lean the wrong way, so I was trying to do it right. Stop killing games did it! But don't stop now unless what you want to stop is stop killing games. You sound like a town crier. I am the crier. I was on two and a half men you know My name is John What it's the actors name John cry oh wow all right? Stop killing games the initiative to save games from dying at the hands of their makers Because usually developers stop making money on it and they're like, hmm.

See ya. We architected this to only work if our servers are online and now they're not so I guess um, it's too bad. See you later. It has crossed the one million signatures it needed to get the attention of the EU commission which gives it a much higher chance to pass a law which could force developers to sunset their games properly. Now Luke and I have given our thoughts on what proper sunsetting of games would look like in numerous times.

And some really good examples. We've also given some examples of how in some cases it might not actually work that great. It could be quite challenging whether it's around third-party licensing of say for example music or other media that's included in the game or whether it's around IP that is used across multiple multiple products that could potentially harm the security of those other products or you know, there are potential reasons that just you know, putting out the source code of a particular game or putting the servers into the hands of the players might be really challenging,

but that's what Stop Killing Games is seeking to change, is to make them architect these games from the ground up to comply with their obligation to make the game available after they no longer wish to support it, whether that is in the hands of another entity or the gamers themselves. Anyway, the petition is not over. They want as many signatures as possible because the more signatures they get, the better they can show interest in the movement. And it will also help in case some signatures are invalid for whatever reason. Given that this has

gotten global attention, I don't doubt that a significant portion of those 1 million signatures are probably not from the EU. Yeah, there's a big push for questioning not only may they not be from the EU, but there's some questioning of if it was like, bought it to go higher with the intention of hoping that people would slow down once it passed its mark. So there's a lot of questions going on. In other news, because they have no sense of, I don't know, irony, EA has announced that Anthem's servers will be shutting down on January 12th, 2026, and that the game will be removed from EA Play on August 15th, 2025.

Man, there was some other terrible games industry news, but I guess none of it had to do with games that were actually released. You see Microsoft killed a whole bunch of jobs again. No, I didn't. Yeah, including some games that apparently were so promising that, like, Microsoft executives had to have the controllers, like, taken out of their hands when they were playtesting it, like, and now it's dead. Anyway, so if you're from the EU head over to stopkillinggames.com and sign the petition because while this only affects the EU ruling it is quite possible, nay probable, that it will have

a larger impact outside of the EU as well because if they already have to do all of the work to architect their game so that it could be tied up into a nice little bow and then hand it off once they no longer feel like supporting it, then I pretty much guarantee you that that would have a positive impact for players in other countries as well. Other continents, excuse me, sorry, sorry, EU is not a country. There's also a UK-specific version of the petition on the same site,, EU's not a country. There's also a UK specific version of the petition on the same site, if you scroll down a bit, this has also reached the 100,000 signatures needed, but couldn't always use more.

So our discussion question here is, can you brainstorm the ideal sun setting plan that developers could do to keep games alive forever? Is it leaving their servers up and running? Is it making it open source? What's the ideal? And I know my answer, but I want to hear your answer. Yeah, I don't think leaving their servers up forever is going to function. It's not going to work.

No, no, that's not going to work. You can't just legislate companies losing money. Infinite maintenance on things that are losing money. Yeah, that's not going to work. But that doesn't mean that this is impossible or an unreasonable expectation for products that we buy. Right, like these aren't products that are even sold to us necessarily as a subscription service. I mean, they treat them like one,

but these are products that in many cases we buy. It's like a one-time transaction and you can bury terms in your end-user license agreement that make it so that you're only obligated to leave it up as long as you feel like it. But I think there is a certain expectation that when I give you a one-time payment for something, say one lime, that that is now your lime,

and that I don't have a remote lime kill switch that will just take your lime and get it out of here. Right? Like that is not what our expectation would be, I think, under normal circumstances. I have pirated the lime. Nice. Open source lime. I like it. I'll just put that back.

You whacked the TV. Well... It still looks like it works fine. You'll never prove it. You'll never prove it. The camera didn't see anything. Yeah, I don't know. It's a little tough for some games. I don't necessarily think it's completely unsolvable because the stance that we've had, I don't know if this perfectly, honestly, I'm not super on top of the stop killing game

stuff, so I don't know if this perfectly aligns with theirs. But the stance that we've had is that you should at least give the community a chance to do it. Yeah, I'd say my ideal execution of this is Forged Alliance Forever. Yeah. Supreme Commander was a super cool game that I really enjoyed. I think, I forget who went down first, Gas Powered Games or THQ. But ultimately what happened is there was some complexity around any kind of transfer of the IP.

There was some drama that went down around, I think it was, was it Gas Powered Games that went down first, you know what? I really don't remember, so it doesn't matter. The point is, either the publisher or the developer went bye-bye, and what they ultimately arrived on was leaving the matchmaking and custom map hosting and community chat and all of these features leaving them in the hands of the community that

wanted to maintain the game and be stewards of the game meaning that even though it has been like 10 plus years now since that game was no longer actively supported by the developer you can still play it online. You can play custom maps, there's all kinds of cool mods that you can apply. So they have their own like mod workshop that's built within the FA forever. So Forged Alliance was the expansion to Supreme Commander. So it's Forged Alliance forever. Within the Forged Alliance forever launcher, it handles automatic updates. It's a little janky.

Sure, but in a way that's honestly like, I'm completely fine. It's kind of cool. It reminds me of old old style computing. But it's alive. It's freaking alive and the best part is the IP holders still get to profit from it. So you have to buy. They've worked out a system where you have to authenticate with the Forged Alliance Forever server, that you have to give it access to your Steam library and prove that you own a copy of Supreme Commander or Forged Alliance. Also think it's fine. Which I think is totally fine. I mean, if the company is willing to hand all these reins over in the way that they did, then I think it's okay.

Ideally, they put it at a price that's like not. Yeah, and I think it's pretty reasonable these days. But the point is just that this is a way that the players continue to win by being allowed to play the game and the publisher and or developer, depending on whatever their revenue split looks like, gets to continue to win by occasionally selling the game here and there. That's freaking awesome. You can buy it for $2.79 right now.

That is two US dollars. It's a great game. It actually has legitimately a pretty decent campaign. Like it's an RTS campaign, so you know how it goes. You do each level and you unlock some more of the tech tree and you kill all the bad guys or whatever. And I would say that the online can be a little daunting to get into because you'll finish that campaign and think you're a supreme commander god, and then you'll jump in online and get

absolutely curb stomped. The skill ramp is insane. But it has a really great built-in replay function that allows you to watch back at any speed you want and like it's really quick to go through replays. People from my experience have been very friendly and willing to discuss strategy so once you get a handle on some of the strats, it's- QD seems great. It's pretty fun if you like a deep RTS. And it has the best, the best top-down interface

that has ever existed for a game. I will stand behind that. The strategic zoom is outstanding. It's very easy to get around the map. With a mouse wheel, you basically, you don't move the cursor to the edge of the screen and pan. That's like dinosaur technology. So you just use the mouse wheel

and kind of like zooming in on an image in like an image editor, you just kind of like zoom out and then zoom in. It's like shoo shoo. And then you can actually turn so you can turn your viewport into like a super zoomed in look at what something is doing. You can like you could go to one of your factories and see the unit that's being like 3D printed on the bed. And then you can zoom all the way out. So your whole monitor is just a big mini map like a like a you know a not mini map but you know anyway the point is there's icons for little just little icons representing

all the units and you can see like a whole strategic view of the entire battlefield it even supports multi monitor it did back in the day anyway so you could have like your your giant mini map on one monitor and then your gameplay view on on another monitor. It was like freaking awesome. MaxiMap says when bingo chronified. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Apparently, Factorio has something similar as well. Strategic zoom, dude. Huge innovation in that game. It was great. Absolutely love it. So that's my... That's kind of the ideal to me, is like put the ability to keep running it in the hands of the community. And if the community doesn't care. Then that's fine. All right. All right. And some games will still die.

I would prefer the things required to be put somewhere, some external repository that doesn't required to be put somewhere, some external repository that doesn't cost to maintain like a public GitHub or something like that, I don't know, but like put it somewhere. I don't know if this makes any sense. Internet Archive it something, do something so that you never have to look at it again. Because honestly, if the company doesn't ever want to look at it again, I think that's completely fine. Also, don't take it back. If you have given it up to the community and then they find some huge success with it, it's theirs. Yeah, but there's an opportunity there as well, because that keeps the IP alive. It keeps it.

Learn what they did that worked really well. Yeah, and then do a sequel. It's still your IP. Yeah. Yeah. What other parts of it? I know like an argument that I've heard is like, oh, what about the music licensing? It's like, okay. Yeah. That can be a thing. Take the music out. I mean, I think at that point, you could even potentially task the community with doing that. You could be like, here's all the stuff that's not licensed.

Like we, realistically, you know, we're insolvent now. You know, like we're not, we don't have the means to do anything with this anymore. But yeah, here's the documentation. You guys are responsible for your own legal minefield. You have to remove any licensed music and replace it with something else. That seems fine to me. I'm okay with that. I don't music and replace it with something else. That seems fine to me.

I'm okay with that. I don't know how that necessarily works legally, but it seems fine to me. I don't think you can legislate companies working on something in perpetuity. Yeah. You can't do that. Yeah. But what you can do is you can create an expectation that they will hand over in some semblance of working order the materials that are needed to continue the work if there is someone who is willing to take it on.

I don't think they can even hand over the music it needs to be removed beforehand. That's easy to do. And besides, I don't think, I don't even know if I would buy that because I don't even know if I would buy that because realistically, the ownership, the right to use music comes down to licensing anyway. Like I could hand you a CD and that wouldn't be a license to include it in a game. So like if I handed you a file pack, I am not handing you a license to use it in a game.

I'm just just like it's it's one zero distributing the music you are but you're not legal people we're not gonna figure this out yeah no but but you're distributing it with a set of terms that prohibit actually using it for anything yeah like I don't know that's that's a tough question that's for the legal people to figure out and I you know appreciate their hard work, but I My point doesn't change that. I don't think this is insurmountable

Our other question is I know you guys are boomers and play old games But are there any games that have been shut down that have impacted your social circle? I already know Luke's answer. Oh You probably do yeah, just when wow went to shit Yeah, like that's it. That's an even more interesting question because that's a version of a game that is still running Yeah, that's a that's a tougher one that gets really tough I don't think there's any recourse there. The community forced that too. You mean bringing back WoW Classic? Yeah. But then didn't WoW Classic like evolve and then is like not WoW Classic anymore? Yeah no so no what I mean is like

Nostalrius back in the day and Nostalrius is the most well-known one but there's a ton of private servers for WoW. Sure. Not just Nostalrius and there still are private servers for WoW, ton, in Stellaris. And there still are private servers for WoW, many of them. The community forced that. They rebuilt boss mechanics and stuff that they didn't have because they had to build the server side of it. And it's honestly extremely impressive. That was just out of an immense amount of community attention, I guess. But there's still the original Classic WoW branch that Blizzard made, but it's still going and it's way past Classic WoW now. And then there's like some other versions, I don't know all of them. There's a hardcore one where if you

die your character is done. And there's one I think called Season of Mastery where they like change a bunch of stuff. I don't know if many people are into that and then there's rumors of them making what they're calling classic plus now Which is a whole other thing but Yeah, like games that iterate everquest Wow all these old MMOs like it's really interesting because Where does that argument stop? Because it might not even be within an expansion might be a patch within an expansion. Yeah. So like a state of a game. Yeah, like I mean okay here's a here's a perfect example of a game that you know there wouldn't be any kind of

stop-killing games impact on but they've absolutely made a change to it that has killed our ability to enjoy it. Tape to Tape. That's an early access game, I have good news for you. Okay. That's an early access game. I have good news for you. That's an early access game right now that they moved away from time-based game lengths to just first to reach a certain number of goals. It's a hockey game. And Luke was so upset by this change to the gameplay that I actually reached out to the lead developer, or lead designer, I guess, is technically his title,

and I advocated on your behalf, and mine as well, I agree that a hockey game is determined by the clock, not by who reaches the threshold number of goals. The good old hockey game is three periods. Three periods, and there is now a drop-down. Which, totally cool. In the pre-alpha branch, so you can select your difficulty

and you can select first to a certain number of goals or time-based. Which is, because maybe some people will like that very weird version of first to three goals, maybe some people are into that, cool. If it's an option, I'm totally down yeah so it's we're back baby I looked today and it's in nice it's in the pre-alpha branch very cool that's good yeah very cool very cool but yeah it gets you know yes stop killing games wouldn't do

anything about that because like everyone is mad about classic wow but it's still technically I don't know what expansion they're even on now, but like the main branch is still technically there. It never technically went away. The game was technically never killed. It was never killed. It was just expanded upon for decades. So this is a tough... this is going to be a tough thing to tackle because there's absolutely practical challenges like we've outlined already not being able to legislate maintaining software forever not being able to legislate never patching in or out functionality

like that's something that they could do to get around this pretty easily is they could just Patch out multiplayer. Yeah Okay, well that we didn't kill the game. We patched the game down to a... Like, you open a door and then the game is over. It's no longer multiplayer, it is single player. And it shows an end screen. You open one door and then the game ends. And it says, congratulations, your speed run time is X or whatever.

And we have given the files out to the community to run this game. So there's absolutely ways around this that we'd have to kind of try to brainstorm all the sneaky ideas that executives and publishers might have to get around it. It's a tough problem. I'm happy someone's trying to address it. Yes.

At least this is a step. And I'm really glad to see that it's got the momentum that it does Even if there are some voices within formerly of the industry that are speaking out against it because of some of these Practical challenges around crafting this legislation and then ultimately enforcing it What do you want to talk about next? Well, what's our headline not really our our headline topic, but our main topic. Apple really wants you to see the F1...

Wants you to see F1 The Movie. Yeah. In an excellent piece published on thestar.com.my? Sure. Sure. .com.my. Yeah. What?

Okay. Don't worry about it. Jason Atten Aten Atten sure Jason yeah discusses what he thinks is Apple's most important product trust and how Apple violated customers trust with the recent push notifications sent to US iPhone users through the wallet app offering them a $10 discount on tickets for F1 the movie. Huh. I mean, I have talked about this a fair bit, but it always rings quite hypocritical to me. I don't like that.

When Apple criticizes their competitors for being ad platforms, when Apple is taking their very operating system and behaving no different from when Microsoft integrated OneDrive that bothers you to subscribe to it or put stupid candy crush in the stupid start menu. This is this is what Apple would criticize anyone else for doing on any other timeline. So Atten opines that Apple's entire brand is that it is not like other tech companies.

Yes, their products are expensive, but in exchange for the larger bill at the checkout, you get a better user experience and an ecosystem that at least claims to prioritize privacy and security over mining and monetizing your data. He says that when Apple uses an app most associated with security and trust to advertise to its users, it crosses a line. Absolutely. TechCrunch reported on widespread social media complaints about the promotion and noted that a new offers and promotion setting for iOS 26's wallet

app suggests that Apple plans to push more marketing through the app in the future. The push notification, this is funny, is actually in violation of Apple's own App Store guidelines. Guideline 4.5.4 states that push notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes, unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app's UI, and you provide a method in your app

for a user to opt out of receiving such messages. So Jason goes on to say, a company that has spent years telling the world that privacy is a fundamental human right, a company that famously took on Facebook and limited how apps can track users across other apps and websites, just used its own system level app

to send out marketing content that users didn't ask for and couldn't opt out of. That's not a great look. How much money did they get for this? Well, I don't think it's so much about how much money they got. I think it's more about how much money did they get for this? Well, I don't think it's so much about how much money they got. I think it's more about how much money they spent. Like this is an Apple TV production.

Oh. Yeah. I see. Our discussion question is, but at least that U2 album was awesome, right? Says Jordan. So this is actually not the first time that Apple has just brazenly

used their platform for marketing. What is this website? I'm sorry Apple TV is buying the TV rights in the US for F1. Sorry, sorry that's the affiliation. Thank you, thank you Jay Brad. What is it? This is thestar.com.my website is a mess. Yeah, don't worry about it. It's a good take, either way. Okay, cool. Let's not worry too much about that for now. So, I guess the question here is...

Are we really surprised? I mean, Apple's hypocrisy has been on full display for so long, and I know that this really rubs a lot of Apple fans the wrong way whenever I point it out, but like, Apple's whole thing with their whole like, sub-site on Apple.com about all their sustainability, while at the same time, in their other hand, they're either facilitating or explicitly enforcing the bricking of perfectly functional devices like Apple's whole holier-than-thou thing around user privacy and security while operating data centers that are effectively under the control of the Chinese government for their Chinese users. Like, can we please,

please Chinese government, for their Chinese users, like can we please, please stop pretending that Apple is anything other than an equally soulless and heartless corporation like any other. Please don't fall for the branding. That's all I ask. And when yeah and when Apple rubs me the wrong way over this stuff a big part of it is honestly not that they're behaving any different. This is honestly not any worse than you know Samsung promoting their crap to me on my Samsung phone or Google promoting their crap to me on my Google phone. The difference is that those guys for the most part just kind of own it. Google's like, yep, we're an advertising company. Whereas Apple sits there and just blows smoke up their own asshole about how

amazing they are and how much they care about this stuff. No, you don't. When the rubber hits the road, you guys will sell us out as fast as anyone else. And here's the proof in F1. Okay, rubber hits the road, didn't quite work there, but the F1 thing, you know what? I'm standing by it. Rubber. One of my problems that I'm having is like people in,

some people in Flowplain chat and some places that I'm seeing elsewhere, I think this directly ties into what you were kind of just talking about, but, people are like, oh, but it's good though. elsewhere. I think this directly ties into what you were kind of just talking about. But um, people are like, oh, but it's good though. It's like, man, you can't, that doesn't work. What if the next one's not good? Well, yeah. Kavi says, except for Linus Media Group Incorporated, they have a soul, right?

No, I'd like to think that some of the people who work here have a soul. But the company itself. I'd like to think that influential people who work here have a soul and care. But as soon as you go public, you are beholden to your shareholders. And in that case, your shareholders are in it for literally one thing. Like in our case, our primary shareholder, that's me, has to get out here every week and talk to you guys directly. And you guys talk to me directly.

Sometimes very direct. Linus, we need to talk. That video you did on the lawnmower today, didn't enjoy it. Actually, for just like a Friday showcase, people seem to be kind of into the lawnmower video today. They said it's Actually, actually, for just like a Friday showcase, people seem to be kind of into the lawnmower video today. They said it's a lot better than the pool robot one we did. So we-

We want land robot, not water robot. The point is, the point I'm making is that we have a two-way dialogue and there is an actual ability, potentially at least, to make your voice heard and that may actually affect change. And we did take a lot of the feedback from that pool robot video and integrate it into making a better lawn robot video this time. Was it still just a sponsored showcase that we put in our Friday time slot where it's ultimately gonna get stomped on by Wanshow and we know it's not gonna perform very well. You better believe it.

But hey, we're able to have this conversation and we're able to make it as best of that as it could possibly be. Whereas with a publicly traded company, like at the end of the day, the people with the influential voice are gonna be the shareholders that are able to exert power over the board of directors and the executive team.

That's it. Your voice doesn't actually matter. And if Apple sees that in spite of people being upset about this, that a whole bunch more people go to see F1 the movie and they ultimately get a bunch of kickback from it, they're just going to do it again. So no, we don't have a soul. And no, you shouldn't just implicitly, you know, believe that we have your best interest at heart at the end of the day. We are a corporation like any other. But I also think that being a smaller company, not a publicly traded company, not having

investors who are purely in it to extract as much value as possible over as fast a timeline as possible. I do think that that makes smaller companies a little different. Maybe we even think different. Maybe we are Apple. Okay. I genuinely really miss the old taglines. Like Intel inside was really good. What even is Intel's current one? Is it still Intel inside? I don't think so. I legitimately don't even know but like this is a pro I can think of There's one company that I really like their tagline and then they changed it and I like kept saying their old one and then

They're square space mad at us Build it beautiful. It was so much better. What is it now? I don't know. Yeah who cares? Once you get one that's really good and everyone likes you should probably just keep it. Is this just nostalgia glasses though? Do you- are you just a boomer who remembers- Build it beautiful was good. Who remembers things the way they liked it? Intel inside was good. Think different was good. What is Apple's now? What's ours? I don't think we have one. Maybe we should.

United passion for technology. Okay, that's on our mission statement. Yeah, that's not it. Light things on fire. Dude. When I did that interview and talked about sort of how we see our role in the tech space as like going around and like starting little fires and like seeing what burns, you know, what I was thinking was ignite passion for technology.

But the context around the events that happened at that time with the California wildfires and the fact that I was down in California oh no and the timing of the release of the video like the wildfires hadn't happened yet when I used that analogy analogy yeah so maybe we yeah how about we sprout passion for technology will change it sprout it It sounds impregnated. Oh impregnate passion yeah that Plant seeds of passion yeah

deep seeds like from alien First out of your chest. Um, cool. What are we supposed to, is something, speaking of fires, is something on fire? Uh, somewhat. I got it though, it's fine. He's doing great.

Why don't we jump into whatever we're supposed to be doing next. We could do another topic, or we could do some merch messages? How about some merch messages if Luke's doing his job instead of his job? Whoa. Oh interesting. Okay sure. Merch messages are the way to interact with the show. We've actually got... Where'd it go? There it is. We've got a really exciting new product on the store right now. It is our transparent edition of the LTT screwdriver. It's every bit the LTT screwdriver that you already know and love, but now it's clear. So you can see the bits like this and you can even see them when they're in there like

that. You can even see the ratchet mechanism moving around in there a little bit as it click, click, click, click, click, click, click click click click and makes it satisfying noises. So now is a perfect time just like Jacob S to pick up one of these by sending in a merch message. Merch messages go to producer Dan who will either reply to them himself, forward them internally for someone else to address, or curate them for me and Luke. All you got to do to send a merch message is go to LTTstore.com, add something to your cart like, hey, say for example this or, ooh, the Transparent Collection. That's a cool hoodie that actually has my dental

records on it because we are absolutely unhinged people. What else we got? You could add, ooh, the new Hydrophase swim shorts from our Touch Sand collection. Just add something to your cart, and whenever we're live, you will see a box for a merch message. Dan, do you wanna show the peoples how it works? Sure thing, I've got one here from Alyssa.

Linus, I have an Epson Home Cinema 4010 Pro UHD. Saw the Valerian Pro 2 video. Specs beat mine on paper. I thought that short throws were worse than traditional projectors. What am I missing? Is it worth switching for? So I'd say traditional viewpoint is that short throws were worse because you could have more distortion because of the optics that are needed to create such a large image over such a short distance and how much you have to kind of stretch it in order to do that and just the angle of light in the wall and all that. With that said,

optics is an area of technological advancement over the last like 10 to 20 years that honestly probably has not gotten enough attention. It's one of those things where like people often in person, people thinking they're gonna get an unexpected answer will ask me things like, you know, what's the most exciting change in technology you've seen over your career? And the answer that I invariably give because I genuinely believe this is one that they they don't expect. so nobody comes away disappointed But I think it's actually in lighting

Think about what has transpired in the time our company has existed in Lighting like cinema lighting technology Also, just the expense even the K Flow, like what has scaled simultaneously in quality, like lighting, and in cost, like lighting in the time that our company has existed. Yeah, that's really interesting. Name something. That is not what I would have expected to say. Our Kino Flow Diva Lights were these quad fluorescent tube light things that had this cheap shoddy like corrugated plastic

flap system on them. They were fricking heavy. They were ridiculously expensive. Very expensive. They like sucked. They weren't very bright and they had absolutely no capacity for adjusting them in terms of their color temperature.

They just like were what they were. They were whatever fluorescent tubes you put in them. Nowadays, dude, companies like Aperture, for like a few hundred bucks, you can get lights that are ludicrously bright. Like you can run your entire set off a single circuit instead of having to, you know, have flip in like one halogen light that has to run off a cable from way that,

frick, that set over there and then like a bunch of other ones for the back that can run on this circuit. You need like three circuits to light your stupid set. You can run an entire set off of a single circuit. You can make all these fancy adjustments to your color temperature and your brightness, it's super granular, it's all like wirelessly controlled and relatively simple to integrate compared to what things were like back when we started. Man, what we paid for our flippin' uh, well the RGB lights Dan, our first ones, the blue ones, sky panels. Or the Titan tubes or something like that. Oh, dude, Titan tubes.

Titan tubes are so expensive. Dude, but now you can get off-brand ones that are way cheaper, they're battery-powered, you could stick a light anywhere you want. And just as powerful. And they're awesome, but our first Sky Panels, those are from Ari, which tells you everything you need to know about how much they cost.

And I was like, oh, this is so cool, because they had modes for firelight flickering those are from Ari, which tells you everything you need to know about how much they cost. And I was like, oh, this is so cool, because they had modes for firelight flickering and modes for old school black and white TV. So you could have it off camera and it could cast sometimes a little bit more black, sometimes a bit more white. And cop car. They had cop car. I think some people aren't recognizing that you are talking chronologically. Yeah. Because I got a comment that are like,

oh, this thing is much better than the Kino Flow. The Kino Flow that we bought was 15 years ago. Yeah, yeah, that's the point. Is the Kino Flow sucked back then, but that was like the go-to, like, decent, kinda affordable light. It was like five grand or something like that. Almost every YouTuber that was like the go-to like decent kind of affordable light. It was like five grand or something like that. Almost every YouTuber that was heavily investing in their camera

setups at that time that I knew had keynote flows. Yeah. And like, dude, by comparison, I could buy some stupid little like LED array on AliExpress and a little bit of like diffusion paper or something. And I could get better lighting results out of that for like 20 bucks than that Kino Flow from like 13 years ago or whenever we bought it. Even the lights that are behind you now, those tiny little square things, they are so bright. They're IP65 waterproof, they're LED, they're RGB. They're taped to the floor.

Yes, you can't move them because people bump into them. Dude, and the little battery powered ones you can put on your camera? Like those existed ten years ago. They were kind of rough. But they were pretty bad. They weren't bright. They were expensive. The battery life sucked. Like I remember we'd have to, oh man, we'd have to like micromanage like our mic pack batteries and our camera batteries and a stupid battery for the little thing. like our mic pack batteries and our camera batteries and a stupid battery for the little thing. Nowadays, it's so easy to build a nice rig with just like one battery

that like daisy chains across to everything. No, no, dude. Oh man, Smash Champs. Smash Champs is another great example of this. Hold on, I'm gonna just bring this up. Do you have any flipping idea what the lighting here would have cost me just like 15 years ago? I think one of the reasons why this is probably so surprising for people is because house

lighting, premium house lighting is still really expensive. And honestly, I don't know I was lighting for LEDs looks kind of hold on where's that where's a better shot that shows okay so here now is that a video why do I keep clicking videos can I just click something that's not a video here we go is this a video there it's not a video okay perfect okay

they're not actually on this is absolutely genius here we we go, finally. Okay, okay, cool. So this lighting setup here was inspired by a lighting setup that I saw in a hall in Taiwan, like almost 10 years ago now, I think. And they had these really cool fixtures. They were basically giant rectangular prisms

that were like diffuse, like matte rectangular prisms that had that were like a like diffuse like matte white prisms that were suspended across the entire hall kind of like this and it was less janky because they didn't have all these stupid like ready rods and aircraft cable and stuff like they were really nice architectural design as opposed to our functional design. And ever since I played there, I knew I wanted that for my ideal lighting because it brings the lights down closer to the court and the closer the light is, the less bright it needs to be and therefore the less dazzling it is whenever you accidentally look directly into

the light, which inevitably will happen when there's a moving projectile that could be coming from anywhere to anywhere on the court surface. To do something like that back in the day, good lord, they were so bright. Oh, it looks crazy. Yeah, it would have had to have been full of either incandescent or CCFL light sources. You'd be losing a bunch of it to the diffusion layer. Nowadays, do you know how we made these? These are just like your typical 4x2 office light panels.

And then they're just- On an angle? Yeah, they're just mounted to like this aluminum structure here. Is there a diffusion layer on there in addition to the standard? No that's just built in. Yeah because it looks good. It's just built in. It looks like way better. They've got little color temperature switches on them so you can just decide what color temperature you want and look at this you can actually really tell in the picture that the consistency is really

good. Oh yeah. Like even when... It feels like that when you're there too, even when LED panels got somewhat affordable like I don't know what five years ago ten years ago the CRI of them sucked and the consistency was all over the place nowadays You can just buy commodity stuff like these weren't even expensive. I Mean by enough of them and anything's expensive. But relatively speaking, they weren't even expensive, and they're just outstanding. And so I, yeah, I just, I can't think of anything in the technology space that has come down in price and up in quality like LED lighting.

And I got, I got a caveat this with, I'm going to say health things and you're watching a tech podcast. So don't, don't, uh't don't yell at me. Just look it up a lime a day Keeps your lover away I was trying to pick some I like that one But yeah, I've heard meanwhile in homes I've heard that things like the very very white light that we're getting from modern LEDs and stuff is like bad for you because of circadian rhythm things and stuff like that. Oh, like the color temperature that we set everything to. CRI, I think? They're not very full spectrum?

I don't know, I'm not very up on top of this. And then actually nice lighting for your home is really expensive still. So the consumer space hasn't really followed the exact same trend in my experience. Oh, as like the production space and the commercial space. Well, maybe it's just different incentives, right? Like on the production space, in the production space, everything comes down to like, yeah, why? Yeah, I mean, I guess just.

My understanding is like LED technology just misses a whole bunch of wavelengths. And then you get something like the China ball that's above us, which is a full spectrum proper real light. They have to do a lot of work. Right. Interesting. That's my understanding. Please feel free to correct me, but, you know, high CRI and full spectrum bulbs are way easier to do in the day.

And I guess what's driving the innovation there that allows them to do that in the production space is a combination. Like you've got the volume to invest in building a really good LED light, which obviously you would have in like a home setting setting as well you have the volume But in a production space you also have people willing to pay at least some premium Whereas I don't know about you, but for me when I'm like buying a light bulb to put in a fixture in my house I'm not I'm not paying like extra Yeah, and it's and it's cheaper because you don't have to care. Yeah, we really have to care

Mmm, that's interesting. Yeah, and the flicker free stuff like your LEDs can blink in your home. That's apparently a huge problem You can't perceptively tell that they're blinking. Mm-hmm, but it's like bad for you for some ish reason again like please. Yeah, who knows I Did not know I did make sure these don't flicker. Where's my, do you wanna press the thing? Oh, yeah, I could do that. There you go. There we go. I don't know, look it up if you care.

But there's a lot of stuff going on with lighting. Yeah, I made sure these don't flicker because we wanna be able to record in slow-mo at some point and I didn't want that to be a problem. So, and it was not that hard to find just commodity office lights that, just to go in a drop ceiling that don't flicker, it was just, it blew my mind. That never used to be a thing.

Yeah, I know, right? Like, impossible. I know, right? Yeah. So the quality just keeps getting, and it's happening so fast. Like even five five years ago when we were looking for lights like for the office It was freaking impossible to find anything that like Brandon wouldn't lose his shit if we installed and like Didn't have also proper filming lights in addition to them. Whereas like nowadays we could just huck these in the office and turn on a camera

like Incredible pretty once we put in the labs for like the drop-in ceiling ones pretty high CRI. Yep, pretty decent super dimmable Yeah, yeah, it's a top gear and full planchette is calling it PWM flicker Yeah, that's that's right. But yeah, like the the old ones would just kind of glow Oh incandescent. Yeah. Yeah, so there you didn't have the flicker problem Well, they ran off they ran directly off of AC, so theoretically they should flicker, but because you were just heating up an element, it wouldn't cool down enough in between the cycles for it to be a problem. So it wasn't until we started doing things digitally that we were like,

oh, whoops. And anytime you had a dimmable bulb, they just, oh man, did they ever suck in the early days. Emily Shebang has said, in in flowplain chat, said, I'm autistic, terrible sensory issues, and can see the tiniest microflicker possible and it's triggered my seizures. Yeah, so flicker is bad. And apparently it affects at least some people people that don't have those problems. Oh as far as As far as I have heard it's like technically bad for all of us to a certain degree I Don't know was that one merch message Good lord, I'm either really good at this or really bad at it

Thank you for sending a nice merch message depends Depends what we're trying to accomplish. Okay, go for it Dan. Why don't we do a second one and then we'll get into the saw stuff. Sure. Let's see. G'day tall, slightly shorter and short. Why is my download speed in Australia so slow?

I've noticed over in Northern America speeds are two to three times faster. Very jealous, cheers. How tall are you, Dad? Six foot two. Or sorry, sorry, five foot 14. Get out. I can't, I'm out of my head.

Oh, hold on. The female audience in Float Plane Chat chat says yes, and you never answered it. It was about projectors. Oh These days I would say you can get a short throw with relatively low distortion However, I will say that compared to an ultra short throw the higher higher end cinema models do still tend to be short throw or like normal-ish throw lengths. And those tend to be the higher quality models that have features like lens shift that make it much easier to get perfect alignment,

et cetera, et cetera. So- And they're like just giant bulbs, right? There you go. Okay, sorry. What was the new one? Ah, yes, why is the internet slow in Australia? Because you're a penal colony and nobody cares about you I'm glad somebody said it. The actual reason is the ocean because there's limited

tubes Because there's limited tubes. What they call it, it's the internet is not a big lorry. Well now everybody's cutting them. That doesn't help. Yeah, those darn sharks. Lily's not helping. Way to go China. Alright, are we, what are we doing now? Do you wanna do the game? Do you wanna do another topic and then the game? I guess we should probably do the game, which I just lost and so did all of you.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay, so I was handed this backpack. Yes, don't open the backpack just yet. Yeah, I'm supposed to not see or something? Close your eyes. Do you want to turn them 360 degrees and walk away? One commuter back... okay.

That's an old reference, still checks out. I get it. Vintage. Okay, now what? Read the thing oh wait I have to close my eyes no no I close my eyes read though he closes his eyes my eyes are closed let's play a game lime day you don't have to you don't have to close your eyes I don't me yeah no just close the dock it's fine okay lime day our annual sales event where we squeeze our margins and bring you sweet deals

is happening next week starting Wednesday, July 9th. But instead of just listing out the deals you can expect, we thought it'd be fun to play a little game. Luke, we're going to show you five different items that are going to be on sale or in a bundle during lime day. Okay. You have one guess to figure out what each item is. But here's the catch. The picture is going to be very zoomed in. Oh, and if you don't get at least three out of five, you have to take a bite out of this lime.

Oh. But if you do get three out of five... Linus has to? I take a bite out of the lime. LET'S GO! Alright. I don't think I'll mind taking the bite out of the lime, so hopefully... With skin? I...

With skin. I mean, I would assume so. You guys just chomping? Oh. Right in the side of it. Do you have to consume the whole thing? Nah, just take a bite. I think you have to at least chew three times. I'm fine with that I don't know if I want to yeah, I don't think you have to swallow. Okay. Yeah, we do. We it's not that type of show

Not yet wait for after dark yeah, really okay, all right Hey, I'm interesting stuff cuz like both of our backpacks use reprieve right Yes, so like And then also last year there was stuff in lime day that we don't sell mm-hmm normally so this might be kind of tough How am I supposed to see the things I guess Dan? It'll pop up on screen and then after you get it right or wrong We'll show you the full picture that it was based off of and then we'll show you the item You ready for number one first item

What product is that Luke I think I'm not gonna eat this line are you actually kidding me what's number one? transparent screwdriver Is that your final answer? Sure. You only get one. Are you ready to see what it is? Sure. We have our iconic double wall vacuum sealed water bottle.

On both our US and global site, you will get $15 off our regular price during Lime Day. Do you see it now? Sure. It sure so obvious it's the outline of the bottle yeah yeah I should have known that was so obvious but okay I think there's one in your in your sack there like oh all right that Oh, right. Da da da da da da! That was really hard. Oh, that was the easy one. Oh.

Wait, okay, okay, so Dan, you shouldn't show him the thing. I think that's why I have this. I think I'm supposed to show him the thing that's in here. I'm looking away. I have no idea. I actually have two water bottles. Ah! I guess they wanted me to point out that we have different sizes.

That's true. Oh, sorry. I got those wrong. Am I still supposed to not be looking at stuff? Yep, there we go. You can just look up. It's fine, I'm just holding up water bottles. I just don't look at the dock. I had them wrong before.

Now they're fixed. Don't look at the dock and you're fine. I've got the text uncovered. I'm not, this is my laptop. What are you doing? All right, second item. I write it for item number two and if Luke gets this one wrong He has to get the last three right. Yeah. Are you ready? Okay. Here we go

Like it's so obvious. Oh my god, wait Wait, okay this one's actually gettable. This one's gettable. Yeah. This one's get-cha-cha-cha-cha-cha-cha-cha-cha. Can I look closely at it? Absolutely not. Without opening it? Wait, the backpack?

Yeah, I don't know. Because that, you can see the weave on the backpack. You can look, you can, you can- Can I look at LTT store at the products? Oh, is that allowed Dan? I don't know. That's not against the rules. I mean, I think we should have a time limit

if you're gonna do that, because this is gonna take forever. No, that seems fair. It's gonna take forever if you do that. That seems fair. Okay, you have to close the chat though. Get the chat out of here. That's fine, that's fine.

Absolute pumpkin eater over here Oh Could it be that I'm gonna go with that precision screwdriver. Precision screwdriver? Yeah. Hold on, wait for it. I'm not that confident, but I'm gonna go with it. Da da da da da da!

Oh really? Let's go! Our precision multi-bit screwdriver! We're gonna be offering a really sweet deal where you get a precision screwdriver and bit set bundle with a free Jerry Rig Everything knife. Oh cool. So if you get the bundle. Small tools.

You get the free knife. Let's go. That's legit. All right. Number the third. Well, LCD story's up, that's it. You ready? Go for it.

Boop. What? What? Okay. I think this browsing the site is a bit of a hack. Hey, Sammy. Oh, all right, all right. Is it hard to browse the site? You can't look at the site, you can't look at the site.

Close the site. How do I figure that out? It makes no sense at all. Just look at it. Just look at the sight. Close the sight! How do I figure that out? It makes no sense at all! Just look at it! What? Just look at it, you don't have to. This game sucks! Are you kidding me?

What did you do? Oh, make it easier. It doesn't make anything easier. Oh my goodness. Look at him. He's staring at my soul. Oh my goodness. Come on, it's not that hard. What do you mean?

No, no, no, no, no. He's staring at my soul. Wow. Give me the ding! Yes. Sorry. Yes. Oh, Jesus.

Okay, go for it. Do you give up? No, he can't give up, he has to guess. I don't think he was in the new swimsuit photos, but it's not gonna be a standard shirt. Why is this, why is, is that even his hand? Is that someone else's hand, or is that, can you zoom in on the hand?

I don't think this is gonna help me. In hands. There's no way Elijah would wear an Apple watch. It also looks like it it doesn't look like he's doing this oh my god it might be someone else's hand so it's a group photo one of the things do we have yes? Thanks. LTTstore.com. Oh. Um. Sofa Tux says, learn your product catalog, dork. It's not even there! It's literally nothing to do with the product is in this photo.

Okay, let me. Just to be clear. He has to take a guess. Just take a guess, dork. I'm gonna give you a hint. What? No, he has to guess. I think he's just making it smaller.

Just, what? There's your hint. Just guess! Okay. There's my hint. Is this a real hint or are you just trolling? The task jacket. Alright, ready?

Oh, wait, do I not have... Oh, I don't have to fit in the blank. I don't think you have the shirts. It's a specific shirt. It's a blank T-shirt. Are you kidding? It was a... During Lime Day, you will be able to get four

of our blanks for only $60. And that's the price on both the US and Canadian site. Four for 60, that's $15 each for our blanksies. No, I didn't think you would stoop so low. Me? To put a specific shirt, not you, to put a specific, I love how you just stooped it was you.

And a blank is a specific shirt. No, we have a bunch of them. Yeah, but there are other shirts that you sell. Oh, I see what you mean. Okay, okay, okay. All right. All right. Fourth item.

You need to get the next two correct. Yeah, like that's gonna happen because you're gonna show me like the left side of Linus' head. How about compromise? What product is this? No, no, no. How about compromise? Compromise, compromise. On the next one, he can browse the site for one minute.

No, he'll be fine. Okay, I'm actually on your side here. I appreciate the attempt. Sammy's here, he's got a gun to my head. We can't bend the rules. This isn't my segment. Sammy does actually have a gun right now. It's a little terrifying.

Fourth item. I don't know how he got it in the office. right now. It's a little terrifying. Fourth item. I don't know how he got it in the office. Okay. Well, he got them at the gun show. Yeah, you go to the gym, you've been working out. Okay. This man lifts. Think.

Artie's letting him browse for two minutes. Two minutes? Yeah. You know this one. Two minutes? It's already been in the browser for two minutes. Two minutes? Yeah. You know this one. Two minutes? It's so red. I know this one. Why would I know this one?

I should, after you threw the lines at the TV. Oh yeah, that's not helpful. What? It's fine. It's perfectly helpful. Very red. Is it actually orange? It's perfectly helpful. Is it actually orange? It's on the website.

It's on the website, I guess. Allegedly. I mean, your two minutes is ticking. So yeah, my brain wants to go to screwdriver because the three lines are in like the cap thingy. But that's on the website. What do you mean? You can browse and you can browse with on the website. It's a product that isn's on the website. What do you mean? You can browse and you can browse with on the website.

It's a product that isn't on the website. Apparently. What? What? I'll get your lime. This is not on the website. No. But you can use the website to help. I'm getting your lime ready.

You're gonna get punched in the face repeatedly if this isn't on the website. It all makes sense once you figure it out. Luke, just when you jump up in rage and jump over the tables, just take your headphones off so the cable doesn't get caught. And Sammy, please don't get blood on the concrete, it's very hard to get out. No, I sealed this one.

Oh, okay. Uh, yeah, feel free to bleed wherever then. It is, this one is, yeah, this one is sealed. Alright, what do you want? It's not on the... What'd you guess? It will help though, it will help. Okay, you're gonna have to guess.

You have five seconds, this is getting ridiculous. Pfft. Ha ha ha. I... But I... The variation of the product on the website. BOOM. Uh, screwdriver.

Alright, you ready to see? Sure. There's like no way it's gonna be right. I have to reveal them in the bag, Dan. There's like no way it's gonna be right. I have to reveal it in the bag, Dan. There's like no way it's gonna be right. Because the screwdriver has those three things on it. And I'm assuming that's... Wait, really? Okay.

Okay. Wait till I know it is red. It's a screwdriver, but not just any screwdriver. This is one of five exclusive Lime Day Color Ways that you'll be able to get by purchasing a mystery screwdriver next week while saving $20 US dollars on the US site or $30 Canadian dollars on the global site. Do I get it wrong because I... You made me think that I messed up the color balance on my TV.

Yeah, what were you talking about? You guys need to stop giving so many bloody hints. I thought it was supposed to be very good at the three things That was it yeah, okay. Well the thing that really threw me off was that he said it wasn't on the website Okay, you guys are honestly Hindering more than helping by talking. He has to get this one correct. Okay, so the last one, I vote everybody shut up and let him play the game. Yeah. Are you ready? Sure.

For all the limes. That's not on the website either, is it? Everyone's gonna shut up and let you play the game. I think I even know what that is but that uh can I look at the website on this one? Don't okay yeah that wasn't the question but I don't know I don't know it's up to Artie. The game was never supposed to

he was supposed to like... This has dragged out forever, you guys. That's cause he won't guess, cause he's gonna lose. Go on, what's your thought? What's my thought? I thought...I don't know if I can say it. Cause I don't know if it's even like... Say it.

Say it. Let me type it to Linus. You can say anything you want. Say it! WAN backpack. What? It's our brand new WAN edition of the LTT backpack! That's right, my friends! But that doesn't... That was...

I'm so thrown off! Because... I thought the products were in the bag, but this wasn't in the bag. So I thought I was losing by saying WAN backpack. You did it! It's the same backpack you know and love, but with a little more WAN personality. We're gonna be launching it next week,

but since it's Lime Day, we're gonna be loading it up with something really sweet. If you wanna find out what we're gonna be putting in them, sign up to get notified at lttstore.com slash lime. You'll also be the first to be notified of everything that's going to be on sale and you'll get new deals throughout the week directly in your inbox. That's lttstore.com slash lime. Also, this is very important, pay close attention, If you are an LTT float plane subscriber, you are going to have a day of early access to all of our week long deals.

Could maybe put it in the frame. Yeah, turn it around maybe. I don't know, just ideas. Um, okay, I'm gonna laugh at you guys. Where's the salesmanship? Good enough. Is there a top? Guys, where's the salesmanship? Good enough. Is there, we could, we could.

Give me the damn one. Oh wow. That's tough. Yeah. I watched you really try. Like he gave it a shot. Do you want to open it up first? Ooh. I am I like really trying to place anything do you want me to do it too the contest was kind of messed up I

can join you in this if you'd like I mean that's that's your call if we want to eat a lime you can eat a lime I won I don't know if I can get in there or not. Oh. Ugh. Oh. Sure. Oh man. Did you swallow the peel? Nope, I'm just still going

You know, it's turning kind of nice it starts really bad, but it gets pretty okay. Do you need a bucket? I got juice all over my laptop. Mm-hmm. I Got it mostly on my pants. Oh It's also like all on one side which is really well, I mean it depends what side it's hanging down right? That's what I was, yeah. It's supposed to hang? Oh. Okay, we did it. Nice job.

Did anyone think to have like a napkin or anything handy for this or? I don't think so. Nice. Oh. I mean, we deserved that. Yeah. Well, I did, I don't know if you did. I'm blocked by a TV, sorry.

Also, you mentioned how, like, them helping me was not helping me. It's... They were actually unhelpful. Where is it on the website? It's not on the website. The WAN backpack? It's not. Exactly. I don't know what they're talking about.

Dude, they were... I didn't know that they were... I legitimately was like, I am losing, but this is the only thing I can think makes sense. I went from being like, kind of annoyed because they were giving you a bunch of hints in this game that was supposed to be a game, to kind of annoyed because they were like sabotaging you. It was just Sammy. I repeatedly like, I thought screwdriver would not have been possible because they said it wasn't on the website But I understand what he meant that variant wasn't yeah

I think I was super confused because I didn't know that variant existed on my monitors. That's sort of orange Yeah, so I thought it was a color problem This monitor is extremely red I thought it was a color problem So I thought because of that, it wasn't the screwdriver, because they said it wasn't on the website. So I was like, what else can it possibly be? None of-

See, I knew that everything was fine and working completely normally and that his guess was good, but we just had to sit through like four minutes of you guys misleading him. I was uninformed. Just get on with it. Okay, so buy things, next topic.

Buy our products so that we don't have to do this again. What is this stupid show? Also, in my defense, and definitely the angle is way off, but I thought it was this, but way more zoomed in for the water bottle. Yeah, this is not, half of it is the water bottle. Yeah, this is not it. I thought it was like the neck. Half of it is the water bottle. Yeah.

Half of it is the water bottle? No, I get it. No, no, I see what he's going for. That's just the neck. I see what he's going for. Yeah, yeah. I just thought it was like a slightly weird photo. I'm picking up what you're throwing down.

The Germans have a word for everything. On the last WAN show, we got into a discussion about whether or not LMG is a big company or a small company. And I kind of tried to describe, or the way that I ultimately described it was, we're a big enough company that a credit union cannot service our business properly.

But we're too small of a company for the big multinational banks to care about us. No, no, no, no, to care about us at all like at all anyway Redditor Alactrium underscore reached out with a German word that defines us and apparently it is mittel stand which according to Wikipedia commonly refers to a group of stable business enterprises that have proved successful in enduring economic change and turbulence and is defined as a

statistical category of small and medium-sized enterprises with annual revenues up to 50 million euro and a maximum of 500 employees. So here's the here's the here's the the the lewikipedia. It would have been nice if we linked to the actual post. Oh yeah, no, here it is. Here it is. So the way that they defined it was a little bit differently. We made up a word for this kind of company. It's... Okay, yeah, anyway, no, never mind. Yep, cool, good definition, thank you. That actually does help. Yeah, we're a mittel stand is what our company is.

And there are complications with that. The transition is surprisingly very difficult and painful. And I can understand why a lot of companies might not make it. Like I gotta confess, when people told me that the, I forget, people lay it out both in like revenue terms and in like headcount terms, but when people told me like, oh yeah, this transition when you grow from like 100 to 500 employees is where most companies die, I always looked at it and went, well, like that's crazy. Why would that happen?

Like, if you're if you're profitable and doing great up to 80 employees, what you have 110 employees and you just go bankrupt. But what we're learning as we are, as we have scaled to 100, over 100, back under 100, and then now over 100, over the course of the last like three years where we haven't really grown in headcount at all, is that the communication and process challenges associated with crossing this threshold.

You effectively have to rebuild your entire company. Are painful, but the difference is that this time you're building the airplane while flying it. Whereas the first time you're building the airplane while flying it. Whereas the first time You were building the airplane and figuring out how to take off the runway like it's a very very different experience And there's so many more Voices so many more vested interests. It's it's been challenging To put it lightly. No no I like it that way

nothing changed and now way more people know but I saw their messages don't imagine I didn't bother them. This will bother even more people now. I tried. Does it, is it better if they match? I don't think so. I really don't think so.

Um. Well, we'll see. This is interesting. The Colombian Navy has snagged a Starlink-equipped Narco sub. On Wednesday this week, the Colombian Navy captured an unmanned semi-submersible that was equipped with a Starlink antenna. This unmanned drone vessel is believed to have been a trial run for automated cocaine trafficking.

No drugs were found aboard the vessel, but Colombian officials stated that it had the capacity to transport as much as one and a half tons of cocaine. So it was a test run. Manned semi-submersibles clandestinely built in the jungle have been used for decades to ferry cocaine from Colombia to Central America and Mexico, and have in recent years been found crossing the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. Whoa! Colombian law calls for prison terms of up to 14 years for the use, construction, marketing, possession, and transportation of semi-submersibles. That's obviously working great.

Unmanned subs eliminate the possibility of a captured crew cooperating with authorities. This is really interesting. So I learned recently that people were equipping planes with Starlink by just like putting the antenna like in the window of the front and just pointing it up. And then Starlink, because they have launched now, I believe they've launched, they've launched or they're launching their corporate jet service. Starlink has apparently countered this by doing a speed check and making sure that your receiver, your receiver unit is not moving too fast. Because there's nothing that would prevent the

service from working so then you want because they because what they're gonna upcharge the airlines I guess mm-hmm yeah yeah well because the plane version to pay more yeah so Starlink what's it called not commercial corporate corporate airplane price here for corporate and private jet application Starlink aviation offers hardware for a hundred fifty thousand dollars with monthly service plans ranging from two thousand to twenty five thousand dollars which honestly understanding goes is about in line I thought it was cheaper I don't really like for like a jumbo jet oh oh that

maybe okay sure sure not about the installation at all no idea on that possibly yeah no but no it's apparently this is for business jets according to pilot mail says the AI summary So take that for take that for what it is. You gotta watch them AI summaries business unlimited $10,000 a month I think that's pretty competitive So so yeah, and the interesting thing about it is from my understanding This basically just comes down to like certification and regulation because from what I heard from my uncle nothing prevented anyone from just

putting the like ground-based starlink in the in the cockpit and just pointing it up and Getting starlink service, but but with all the like certification and everything the prices do go up a lot because you're not allowed to just like install, you know, Starlink in your own, you know, plane. Like it has to be done by a certified shop. Yeah. Not necessarily weird in a bad way, but.

Apparently they take like fire resistance extremely seriously, like to the nth degree. Like if you have a fire on a plane that's apparently the worst I mean makes sense to me kind of does make sense that makes perfect sense to me yeah yeah play play open the window are just oxygen and fuel big containers of oxygen big containers of oxygen and big containers of fuel. Yeah Everywhere the fire could go is really bad Yeah, oh boy See if I can find this yeah everything everything everything plane is just

Whatever it costs on land times You know a bunch. Yeah. Now consider space. Oh, dude. The last place not ruined by capitalism. Space. Give him time.

If you don't know that reference, look it up. It's amazing. It's amazing watching him crack up as he says it. He's having such a good time. You want to play another little game? Sure, okay This is a USB outlet it has USB C at 15 watts and

USB a at 15 watts How much do you think this module costs? This is for a plane? Yes, this is from MCICO.com True blue power. Assuming a very substantial price increase off of what this would cost a consumer. I think I'm still gonna be intensely low, but I'm gonna say 125 bucks. Oh, well, no.

Oh! As low as $423, okay. Hold on, one sec, so adding USB-C, because the one beside it was exactly the same, but no USB-C, right? So adding USB-C is like over $200? I think you mean as low as $213. Oh no.

Hold on, but wait, there's more. Okay. Let's say for instance, because that's just regular old like crappy USB-C where it's just doing the voltages and amperages of a USB-A port, but it's just shaped like a USB-C port. Huh. Okay. a USB a port, but it's just shaped like a USB C port huh Okay, how about the? appropriately named six four three zero three six zero dash 21 This does USB CPD. Oh 100 watts at five amps and then USB a at 15 watts

Consider it so the last one was four hundred twenty five that right? Yeah, something like that. I'm going to say 1100. Oh, you're actually high this time. Oh, that's actually a much lower increase than I expected. 700. I mean, that's obviously absurd, but I expected them to just go even harder. Dude, that's like freaking wild. It's like it's like more than 10x Oh, actually, I don't know if that's more than 10x because I was shopping for a USB PD Like outlet to put in my wall

And they're they're pretty expensive. That's why I thought it was gonna be so much more I'm actually surprised the lift on that is as low as it is Wow Luke so out of touch John Mesh says oh $700 that's actually a much better deal than I expected. I wonder if that's the bulk deal if you get ten thousand of them. Oh, dude as low as who knows moq a hundred What I don't know did that say That's that'd be crazy that'd be crazy that's all that's all absurd cuz like how much would Like I'm just thinking cables because you could just if you just mounted extensions into like a 3d printed little square yeah it's like 30 bucks? Yeah, like nothing. Sheesh.

Wild. This is, Jay Richie, 1984 says, this is why experimental aviation is so much less expensive. I can add a USB power outlet to a Vans RV7 for like 30 bucks. I'm not actually familiar with the Vans RV7, so I looked it up and this is it. Popular two-seat, single-engine, low I looked it up and this is it. Popular two-seat single-engine low-wing home-built aircraft kit, known for its sporty handling and performance. Dude, how is it that like, I don't know, how is it that I keep discovering stuff

this cool that I have never heard of? You can buy a kit, airplane and fly it and it's known for its sporty perf- are you serious right now? If you want some interesting info and I can't explain why I know this but it's not for me, I'll put that out there first, BC actually has really fantastic laws for experimental aircraft. They are allowed to be much heavier here than a lot of places in the States, meaning you can put better engines and better wings and more fuel than you can in the States. It's a big problem in the States. You really get

limited by weight really intensely. And our limit is genuinely, I think, five times higher. It's not a little bit of an increase, it's very substantial. And yeah, they fall under experimentals. I'm trying to look up the BC experiment. Like how much are these? Standard kits, okay, hold on. Standard kits, here we go. This means the fabrication work we do on the kit parts

is less than 50% of the total required to complete the aircraft. Oh, that's what makes it a kit. So you have to... Oh, good Lord. You have to provide the engine, the prop, the instruments, the avionics, and the upholstery. Yeah. Okay.

Standard build kit. That's a plane. That's a plane that's a plane so that you get this in the mail Justin can make it that is dude those panels don't even look bent you have to shape them yourself oh no you would you would fold them and rivet them to this the subframe wouldn't you yeah we do not do the small trimming and adjusting jobs, which the average home builder in the average shop can do just as well as we can. Okay, trim in this context, I think,

means like adjust the thing so that it flies in a straight line. That's what we mean by trimming, right? Maybe the panels fit together. I don't think that's what that means. It says we do not do the small trimming and adjusting jobs. That? Maybe the panels fit together? I don't think that's what that means. It says, we do not do the small trimming and adjusting jobs. That's making the panels fit together. I think they're talking about the panels.

Okay. Trimming the panels, I'm fairly certain. Okay, sure. RV kits are quite- Gotta need another garage. You'll find we want to continuously improve them, the biggest improvement. Okay, so where's the price?

Trim is an active adjustment you do in flight. That's a normal thing on a plane. I'm just saying, I'm just saying you do it yourself. That's all. Kit build aircraft. Okay, so RV7 was the one that the person said. Here we go. So kit order form.

Okay, what do these cost? Like I have no idea. Throw some stuff in there, yeah, start clicking. Okay. Well need one. Okay includes electric aileron trim Okay, good wing kit. I'll need wings probably probably for my aircraft. You could make your own. Oh You can get a quick build wing Add quick build wing. Okay, so this is basically, oh yeah, okay. So that's another like five grand, four grand. Four grando.

Fuselage kit, I might need a fuselage. You might need to sit somewhere. Yeah. I received my center section with my wing kit, so I have possession of it already. I, sure, I guess it comes with my wing kit. I don't need a quick build. I'll build my fuselage. Okay, I want a sliding canopy. Sliding is so sick. Obviously. I have finishing kit. Whoa, okay. Spinner type. Okay, ship two, wow. Seriously?

There you go. I mean, I'm sure. For less than Bryce, well, you don't have an engine. Yeah, I'm sure I'm missing some stuff. You don't have a seat. I know Asianics. That was the price today. It was actually 58. That's what you have to pay now.

Yeah, go back and look at the page. The kit total. Amount to pay today. Oh, there's my look at the page. The kit total. Amount to pay today. Oh, there you go. There's my deposit. There's my deposit. There you go. You still don't have an engine.

No. Okay, but still, like realistically, I'm up in the air for probably less than like my Taycan. Oh yeah. Like what does, like how fast does one of these fly? Like is it like RV? How is this a thing? How do you how is your business making? Aircraft oh sorry so the maximum takeoff weight of 50

544 kilograms or 1200 pounds you can have one or two seats and they must have a stall speed of 39 knots or less No design standards That's for ultraralight airplanes but there's like lots of other things going on. Oh was this was this plane specifically on there? Down? Down to down to down to down down down down down down down down down. Oh here we go. Oh no no no I saw the seven and I thought we were I thought it was RV 7 but it's beach 77 something. But yeah like down in down in the the America the the weight is much lower as far as I know at least in California America gets weird about laws because their whole state system thing so I don't know. Okay, so the Vans

aircraft RV 7 apparently has a top speed of 350 kilometers an hour So, I don't know. Okay, so the Vans Aircraft RV7 apparently has a top speed of 350 kilometers an hour, which is something. That is, man, that is so cool. But okay, what engine is that with though? Cause isn't the RV7, oh, is that a kit or no? I think you'd probably have to have like a rated max speed of the chassis.

Like you couldn't just put any engine you want on it and go 900 kilometers an hour rip the friggin thing apart right the AI overview seems to think it's legal in Canada that's crazy who knows what that means this actually explains something that I have wondered about a lot like dude Facebookplace is full of airplanes. And really? Yeah, dude. Dude. Airplanes? Cause I've told you,

like I train my Facebook Marketplace algorithm to just show me the wildest stuff. And so I started clicking on like airplanes for a bit. There's so many aircraft on Facebook Marketplace. And this raises so many questions for me. Why do all these people own aircraft? Why do they buy and sell them on Facebook Marketplace of all places? Like I just, I couldn't wrap my brain around it. Yeah, it's totally legal in Canada.

I had no idea that the pricing for them was this accessible. Like, sure, it's really expensive, but when you compare it to what people will spend on, like, you know, a boat or whatever, it's not that different. Whereas I just assumed, like, oh yeah, you know, a car is expensive, a boat is more expensive, and a plane is like way more expensive. I just thought they were like way more expensive.

But it's like like it's expensive but yeah compared to what people might spend on their boat and all of their you know like water skiing gear or you know whatever right like sure cool what are we supposed to be talking about why don't we do sponsors hold on I found you an engine oh yeah, yeah. Yeah What am I gonna? What am I gonna pay for it? It's coming homing engine I'm not seeing it. Oh Hundred grand. Yeah, that's the most powerful engine. I could find that works in that Oh, you could get a rebuilt one for like 55 grand dude. You could totally be in the air for like tycan price

215 horsepower I say doikan price. 215 horsepower? I say do it. 210 to 215 horsepower? This is not, this is not me. I'm not doing this. You're not doing this? No. I know this stuff because of someone else, not me.

I bet, I bet Luke's getting into aviation. No. I'd love to. He runs a site called Floatplane and he just couldn't handle it anymore. See, that's the problem. This wouldn't work for me because I can't land on water So I could put you in touch with my old neighbor who used to get crashed out float planes and rebuild them and then fly them And that is not a made-up anecdote that is real. Why do you always know? Very exciting life. I've told you about him before

Yeah, I think you have. Yeah. But yeah, from what I'm sure there's some other one, but from like literally two minutes of research, that's the most powerful engine that fits in the RV-7. I mean, he was excited that he found a replacement plastic light cover, and it was only $80 US. It's about the size of like less than your fist. How happy would he be with 3D printing now?

Because I think with these experimental... It would not be rated for flight. But I mean, these are like plane planes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're still in the, oh, maybe the RV7 is a plane plane. Because I was wondering, maybe you could get like a crashed out flow plane, fix it, get it reclassified and certified as a experimental, and then you'd have a flow plane for, you know, a couple hundred thousand dollars. That's still a lot of money though.

I also wonder how often would you fly it? Years of time to reassemble it yourself. Yeah, so the RV-7 is technically considered an experimental aircraft. Yeah, I wonder what it would take to get something reclassified as experimental. Do you just scream it? Think you'd have to substantially rebuild and fit within the requirements, like the weight limits and stuff like that.

Does it have to be built from nothing? Dealing with plane pontoons, retrofit? Within weight limits might be a little difficult. Yeah, I don't know. Sorry, I'm just signing into Facebook to show you guys all of the airplanes. Not that I'm not enjoying it thoroughly.

What, what, what topics is this? Was this a merch message topic? Yeah. What even is the show Luke? It doesn't matter. This was you talking about Starlink. I have, uh, I've just stopped trying to pull you back on time. There's no point. I was just curious. It's better. We're gonna do sponsors though. So at some point, at some point.

But we got a stall so Linus can sign into his Facebook account after having to go through 700. Look up hangar rent prices. Yeah. Well, I mean, this guy basically he had like five acres behind us and he basically had a double airplane hangar on his property to rebuild these in How insane would it be to just take the wings off and park it at your house? Some of them actually do have foldable wings they fold up or you can take them off. Yeah

That's a flipped over truck. Is that for sale? Are these Hummels doing what I think they're doing? No, they're not The pool mobile from the Simpsons What oh I thought it was a pool. Dude, my face... Look at the Jeep. Look at the flipped over Jeep. Honest. Please, what's that $1000 Jeep? I gotta know. Wow.

Actually, you put some body kits on those Jaguar F-Types and they look sick. Just saying. I don't like them by default. Do you have to go get it yourself? Is it 100,000 kilometers? It's flipped over delete if not, okay One picture you just have to go get it yourself Just one picture that's amazing. That's it. You just yeah, you just go get it. I guess dude. I told you I told you this is I told you this is unbelievable

I train my Facebook marketplace to be just the wildest stuff I would pay money for that. I wish you could import someone's like algorithm training. Commercial slushy machine. That would be so cool Oh my god. What is that? Definitely not creepy monkey I'm gonna take fifty dollars Probably collectible Just incredibly weird things and then like yeah really expensive cars. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man This is great home business. It just shows like candy so here's an original series tricorder functional prop Replica because yeah that makes sense for me to be shopping for I guess

Here's some stuff from scrapyard wars no spoilers though. No. Here's a 3d LED dance floor Sure, I'll take two floor sure I'll take two at least you know at least they put up a real price for it yeah give them that yeah to their credit they did they do that they did do that oh oh gee McDonald's stuff I don't like that I I wanna do some clown wibits. No, thank you. Oh my god. Do you want a nacho and cheese warmer? Oh my goodness.

Anyway, anyway, um... Is that just... Oh, I thought it was ranch. Anyway, airplanes. Um... No, I forget. Ah, I forget what airplanes are under. Okay, so here, here, here, here, I'll show you. I'll show you, you wouldn't believe how many planes are on Facebook Marketplace.

Like, here's just, here's just a casual float plane. Dude, like, people put up, wow. Oh, Beaver's a classic, yeah. Yeah, buddy. Oh, yeah. It's like the first time cars were listed on eBay, like, who's listing a $600,000 plane on Facebook Marketplace? Love me a good beaver, you know?

That's so wild. Why would I put it? Oh my goodness, dude. Dude, what a, man. You gotta reupholster that. What a choice. What a choice. Dude, you could ride your Harley to the dock.

I'm super into- And then ride your Harley plane through the sky. Pontoon planes and loud motorcycles. Oh, dude, dude, dude, float plane 160K. Let's go. In Maple Ridge, B.C. Why do they have this? Airs.

Why? Well, the thing is, the cool thing about having a float plane is you just drive it on the water and then you can take off whenever you want. I mean, in fairness, some of these are- Thanks, Dan. Some of these are obviously like fake. It makes it cheaper. You don't have to store it in an airport.

Like you can't call this a biplane if it goes three different ways. Fuck. Here, fixed wing ultralight. Can I interest you in an 1800 dollar aircraft from 100 mile house would you get in this no Is that what you do you do you do your trimming look yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Need some TLC just needs a tune broke just needs a tune oh

My god. Oh my god, but yeah like dude you could be flying you could be flying an aircraft for okay Hold on is that so she knows actuator rod broke Attachment point to down lock torn off okay, then all this one needs some work, okay? Let's find that let's find the cheapest one functional plane that just like is ready to fly. Beautiful, well-built, great reputation. USD $65,000. You could literally pick this up in like 30 minutes. And it works?

Apparently. Like is that crazy or what? That is pretty nuts. That's like 60, 65k, Crazy or what? That is pretty nuts. That's like 65K, 65,000 US dollars. You are in an airplane. Now obviously, this is like what I was talking about. I don't know if I want a 65,000 dollar airplane. No, that's fair enough. But this is like what I was talking to you about

a while back with that lead on the GamerJet, where I was like, I guarantee you, it's way cheaper than you think. And you were like, nah. And I was like, yeah, it seats nine and it's a million dollars, and you were like what? so With this and with that it's very weird the truth is the the bulk of the cost is in the operating of it Yeah, you got to have the hang you got unless you're unless you're working on it yourself

Unless you're even allowed to work on it yourself which for the experimental ones I guess you'd be able to but for like a commercial one I don't know the cost per hour of flying them is insane the engineering the fuel But anyway, I just I got I got a kick out of the fact that you can get a functioning airplane for 65,000 US dollars like literally less than a cyber truck and You would look like way less of a tool. You could like take it off off the back of a Cybertruck. Dude, don't give people ideas like that.

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and if you're wondering, yes, it is as chaotic as you would expect. The highlights for me are definitely the awkward energy. It's funny. I saw a lot of comments saying that the video was not that awkward. It's amazing what the magic of video editing will do. They say the edit really made it feel not that awkward. It's amazing what the magic of video editing will do. The edit really made it feel not that awkward.

It was really awkward in a bad way for probably the first like hour and a half of the shoot. And then it got way more awkward and it came full circle in a good way for the rest of the shoot. It was a lot of fun. We had a total blast. Natalie's upgrade, no, it was all on me, like 100%. Like sometimes I just blurt things out and I don't know if they're gonna work. And sometimes the stuff I say is super weird.

And then I'm just like, yeah, we should probably cut that in the edit. The piano joke was genuinely like probably one of your your best pun jokes ever made like it got me pretty good it got me I couldn't even do the delivery of it was genuinely very good I was just like Very good. I was just like, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh,

okay, so if you haven't seen the video, I was unpacking like this keyboard, and I was like, okay, everyone, how do you know this is the best instrument? The number one, oh, man, I flubbed it. You did. I flubbed the setup. How do you know this is the number one instrument? How? Well, they don't call it a poo I know. Which apparently didn't land with a lot of people because they don't have like number

one for pee, number two for have to go poo. Oh. Like for little kids. But to everyone here it made sense. I thought it was. But to everyone here, it made sense. I thought it was really funny. I assure you it made sense. Anyway, it was a lot of fun and as always, AMD are the ones making it possible. And like with every upgrade, AMD has a giveaway to go along with it. This time, they're giving away one of two Sapphire Nitro Plus AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT GPUs and you can enter today by clicking on our link in the video description but hurry there's only a few days left. Alright yeah what do you want to talk about? Should we find some good news? What do we got?

Not much. Oh, we have Microsoft adding a free option to Windows 10 Extended Security Updates program. Yeah, Windows 10 users have a new option to receive security updates beyond the October 2025 end of life. The previously announced ESU program allows users to pay $30 or, and I think this is the free option, 1,000 Microsoft reward points. No, no, that's one of the old paid options. Oh. Yep. And that would give you an additional year of Windows 10 security updates making it safe to keep using, I guess. Yeah, the new third option requires users to sync their PC settings

to OneDrive via a Microsoft account using the Windows backup app and presumably giving up some privacy in return for updates. Oh, this is very... Judging from the enrollment screenshot, PC settings may also include installed apps and credentials. Pretty interesting. So we've talked a fair bit. In fact, we had a video, I think, on TechQuickie, minus Windows Free, about how Windows is effectively, yeah, here we go. So this TechQuickie video from five years ago

is like, why Windows is free now? It's not free, but it's clear that Microsoft's efforts from the late 90s and the 2000s to prevent people actively, like aggressively prevent people from pirating Windows have been discontinued for ages at this point. You literally can go to Microsoft's website, download a Windows ISO and install it on a computer and just say I don't have a product key and run Windows. And it will, as far as I can tell, other than not letting you set some personalization options, background, and you can still set

a background by just right-clicking an image and then setting as desktop background. It doesn't block you? Yeah, you just can't do it in the personalization menu. Unless that workaround has been patched or whatever. But the point is they just clearly don't really care. And I think this is yet another illustration that they just don't care. You could have an old Windows license that you've upgraded to Windows 10 that they would offer to upgrade you to Windows 11 if you met the hardware requirements. And now they're basically even saying,

okay, forget it, don't even bother with the hardware requirements. You can stay on Windows 10. Just please, please, please, please, please, please have a Microsoft account. Because at the end of the day, Microsoft is going the direction of basically everybody else where it's free to use

and you give up your privacy. It's just hard to see data. use and you give up your privacy. You just harvest your data. Yeah, you give up your data in return. So what would you do? Right? Because your choice is... Linux is not an answer.

Hold on. Hold on. Why is Linux not an answer? Linux is not an answer because you're... Because there's whole government switching over to it right now. Because you are a kid and all your friends play a game that has kernel level anti-cheat. There, that's why. So what would you do?

You're running Windows 10 because you like Windows 10 better and Windows 11 is bad. I would never under any circumstances run Windows 11 because you're a gigachad like DOSDUDE1, okay? Your options are run it without security updates, upgrade to Windows 11, or sign into your Microsoft account and sync all your stuff. Let's say those are your three options, which would you take? Windows 11. You would just go Windows 11?

And just pirate it. Oh, interesting. And then do customizations. Okay, I didn't give you those options though. So you're you play... But I'm a kid so I have gained the option of pirating it. You said I'm a kid. Going back to when I was a kid, that was a low bar to walk over. Like didn't require a hop. You had to step up a little bit. Okay.

People are questioning what DOSdude1 is. DOSdude1 is not a what, DOSdude1 is a man. And we did a collab with him recently, upgrading the storage on a MacBook. It was super cool. You guys are definitely gonna want to check that out. Okay, I mean, yeah, I think we are long overdue. I don't want no security updates on my operating system. No, I think we're long overdue

for like a de-bloating Windows episode. Cause there's like- Do you remember the Windows 9 thing? I do. That guy reached out recently. Really? Yeah. Oh, interesting.

Yeah, I'd be down to do another like- Apparently he's still doing stuff. De-bloat your Windows. Let me, bleh, I'd be I'd be down to do another lately. He's still doing stuff. Debloat your windows. Let me um Yeah, I don't have an easy way to access the message now, but yeah, that's okay. Dan will email you a reminder I don't think the merch message dashboard is like super super busy tonight. I think he's good That okay, Dan Thank you, don't email it though. Thank you. Thank you That's a weird way to put it Well, no, I want to do a poll

I want to I want to hear from the people and I'm not giving them a custom option Dan. Can we make a poll? so Windows 10 raw dog Windows 10 signed in and Windows 11 Those are the only options so you have to pick one of those three options So do you have to buy Windows 11? No, because I assume that you can upgrade to it. Let's say you can upgrade to Windows 11 Windows 10 raw dog. Yeah, well Windows

10 signed in. Yep. And Windows 11. Okay. I want to know which one. Alright, we're hitting floatplane with a pull. Let's see. It's not Windows 10 signed in, it's Windows 10 with your PC settings shared. Yeah, so what we talked about, like synchronizing all your crap. I'm just saying it's more than signed in. Yeah. Okay, live. Okay, here we go. Here come the results. Oh, for crying out loud. I will find a way to do this. Hey, look at that. Oh my god. Good software, Microsoft. What is happening right now? We need to get power toys on that laptop for you. Yeah, probably. Yeah,

most people are, we've got 70% of the vote right now on Windows 11. Yeah, they're just like, okay, forget it, I'll do it. So I mean, this is how they eventually getcha. I mean, I remember Windows 10 raw dog for me. I suspect the Windows 10 raw dog people are like me. You have problems. Would you actually, you'd go no security updates? Oh yeah, instead of going to Windows 11. And then when Windows 12 comes out,

cause it's the next one after the one that's missed. It's going to be even more n****dified, dude. There's no way that Windows 12 is actually good. I'm using Windows 11 on this computer in my workstation. And maybe I don't hate it as much, because when it first came out, I didn't know how to neuter it. And now I know how to neuter it. And so now it's OK.

Are you going to access the Windows updates despite not supposedly being able to? Is that your plan? Are you actually just going no security? My dad still uses Windows 7. Like. Why? Cause he doesn't like the new ones.

But it doesn't matter though. I don't like Windows 11 very much. I mean. He doesn't like Windows 10. I keep telling doesn't matter though. I don't like Windows 11 very much. I mean, yeah. He doesn't like Windows 10. I keep telling him, do Windows 10. Here's my question though. Like I recently did a switch to Mac challenge and for the first couple of days I hated my life

and then it just didn't matter. Like I don't use my operating system. Windows 10 is in my opinion the most it doesn't matter operating system Microsoft has made. Sure, but like... It just doesn't matter at any point. I mean, just any of them. They just, I don't know, man.

They just, they don't really matter that much. I even try new features, and they just, in my opinion, aren't very good. So then I just don't use them. So I just don't really use the Microsoft stuff that comes from the operating system and it's fine. Like they have this new, is it on this one? They have this panel when you open the start menu that is like you can use Microsoft link and link your phone, except it like, kind of sucks.

You know what, maybe part of my thing is that I just have my like ad block built into my brain. I don't even notice a lot of the annoying things about Windows. That one was a major change. It added a whole extra like... Was this on Windows 10? Windows 11. Oh, this is on Windows 11. It didn't happen to this computer though. So like, I don't know...

Yeah, I don't know what to do. Why did they make the start menu worse? Yeah, but you can fix that. I mean, yeah, I mean, but you can fix that. I mean, yeah, I mean, I learned how to fix everything. So now it's like, okay, you could do that in Windows 11 and have security updates. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. Like, so then what you can say is, why would you go Windows 10? I'm surprised you would just be like, oh, this have no security. And if there's no massive Windows 10 vulnerability, I

don't believe it is able to be tackled by roaming the internet bought things I'll just get wrecked. I'm surprised by that answer then Hmm at work no at home good. I let my dad use Windows 7 Hmm I'd used Windows XP. Okay, can't you just like... If I still could. What's the equivalent of like window blinds these days? Like can you just window blinds Windows 11 to Windows 7 and then have them not notice?

Like couldn't you just do that? Eh, no, there's a functionality thing. Like the... What functionality? The split between control panel and like the new settings menu is getting more split in Windows 11. There's just some perclivities that I don't particularly like. What does your dad do with any of that stuff?

Come on, how often is your dad going to the control panel? I don't know, he browses Google Chrome. He browses Google Chrome. Why does he need security updates? Like we don't care. Is this really a problem for people? Like do they care that much about security updates? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe part of it is me being traumatized by like Blaster back in the day.

Do you remember when you couldn't so much as install Windows XP and make it to the desktop if you had like a network, an active network connection before your entire computer would just be taken over by just bots that are just finding any connected PC on the internet and infecting them. Maybe that's because the pair of us like lived through that and we're just like, eh, it's fine. We've dealt with this. Why would that be the takeaway? That wasn't fine. You couldn't even use the computer. I actually don't believe that happened. Because we've always been fine. I don't know. Oh? That wasn't fine. You couldn't even use the computer. Yeah, I actually don't believe that happened. Because we've always been fine. I don't know.

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Yeah, like your dad should honestly just use Linux Yeah, he actually dual builds mint Why is even do a bit? Why why why why why how does Windows How does Windows 7 make sense here? Some program commandability. I mean you could triple boot. Or you could run a VM. Yeah that sounds like effort. It's easier to run Windows 7. It doesn't to me. Cloudflare. No I'm moving on. Cloudflare is changing the rules of the internet. Cloudflare has announced that it is now blocking AI crawlers by default and is introducing a new pay-per-crawl model in which AI services can pay content creators to allow their content to be crawled. CloudFlare infrastructure and services are utilized by

almost a quarter of the Internet, and bots and crawling traffic can significantly increase the costs of running websites and recent studies have found that more than 50% of internet traffic is AI bot driven in 2025 with projections anticipating a rise to 90% by the end of the decade. Yeah, the internet's fake. What? Yeah.

Half? I've known this for a while. I did not know that. I did not know it was that high. Yeah. That internet theory stuff is like pretty real. Like half of internet traffic? Well, yeah, because I'm not even talking about internet traffic. I'm talking about internet interaction right now. Internet traffic, that's not surprising to me, literally at all. The internet interaction though, if you spend some time on like the dumb one letter website

and you actually like actually dive into replies and actually read stuff. It's painful. So much of it is fake. It's painful. Crazy. Even YouTube comments these days. Incredible amount of like back in the day would be like the bed in his tank or whatever that weird thing was Yeah, there's a lot of spam. Yeah, click my pussy stuff like that. Yeah, that but these days there's a ton of Bob yeah Bob's Tank Army Bob's Tanker. Yeah, that was it. There's a ton of fake ones now. It's weird It's odd watch them get in loops of talking to each other is entertaining to Just like oh this like random tweet or whatever has like a billion comments

and we don't know why and then you see that there's one comment with a reply to it and they just keep replying to each other for like ever. It's like, okay. Cloudflare says that site publishers will have full control over the AI blocking and the paper crawl settings Publishers will have full control over the AI blocking and the pay-per-crawl settings, while AI services will be able to choose if they want to pay the crawling prices set by the Publishers. The feature is currently in private beta, and Cloudflare customers can apply for early access. Our discussion question, then, is how do you think LMG will utilize these new features?

And go. We signed up for the beta. We're not in it yet, but we signed up for the beta just to kind of see what's going on. It's interesting. I think there are downsides to things like this. It's not like search companies aren't going to be aware of who's turning this on. And it's not like search companies wouldn't be able to hurt your search ability. Not only do I think it's possible, I think it's so likely that it's close to guaranteed that that would happen. That's my vibe check right now.

I don't technically know, but I really think that would be a thing. It would be very, very easy for them to do in regards to impacting PageRank. However, I mean, they can't derank everyone and Cloudflare is enabling it by default. Yeah, I think there's also like, oh man, I think there's a lot of interesting bits.

Like if you block crawlers on your website because you're like, you know, the three one millionth of a cent that I'm going to get per crawler interaction is not worth the money. I'd rather people just actually come to my website. If you do that, it also opens up a really weird gambit where people could prop up a website that just copies your stuff.

And then they allow crawlers to come for a fee, whatever else. There's a lot of like, this is, I think this is a good route to be very clear, but this is gonna start a very weird interact, Conrad, stop. This is gonna, I don't know what he's doing. This is gonna start some really weird interactions

on the internet of how things work. Now to be clear I do not think this like AI summary no one ever asked to click on a website again garbage is a good idea. Yeah it's not sustainable. So we need something. Yeah. If this works awesome. But this could have unintended consequences I guess is what you're saying. Practically everything has unintended consequences. Anything can be gamed. Yes. And this will attempt it to be, this will, people will attempt to game this. And I don't know, what's interesting to me, I guess, is that this might just be too little,

too late. Most of the clean training data is already out there. Like I've heard that companies are basically like guarding, they're uncontaminated by, you know, just AI contributions, actual human generated training data, which, man, could have really fascinating implications for like the evolution of communication. Because the way that we communicate with each other, our slang and our grammar, it changes and evolves over time. But if we've got these time capsules that we use to train AIs and people are effectively using AIs to process information and send it to each other, I do wonder if there's going to be like a stagnation there.

Pete Slauson You know how right now there's a fairly dramatic difference between written word and spoken word? Jared Huffman I don't know, is there? Pete Slauson I think so. Oh okay sure, I'll buy it. Like you and I are not very good use cases for this because I think we often just write how we talk, but for a lot of people there is an actually pretty substantial gap between how they write and how they talk. I'm bringing up a text chat. Okay, who's someone I talked to? No, two x rated. Okay, okay, okay. So here's a here's a yeah, no, I think I basically just write how I talk. So this is to one of the writers off ours.

I said one attempt... The writer's not a good example. I said one attempt. Well, no, but we're just chatting in text. I know, but you're giving an example of another person who is, through their work, highly incentivized to write how they talk. I mean... Got it. Yeah, they don't care. Um, so I said one attempt adds a ton of scope at a time when we are objectively very busy. Send

it away to expert and test can be done in an afternoon. F*** around with the Tormach as a day shoot. We can hash this out during work hours, though. Hope your evening is good. Sorry for the slow reply. V busy today." So I guess I'm a little bit more point form in text, but I don't know. Yeah, pretty similar. Like what do you mean? Like how different are you thinking things are? For a substantial amount of people, it's like very different. Like they'll use, they'll sometimes use different language. Someone I'm saying professional communication. Yeah, but this happens in non-professional settings as well.

This is like a thing. Man, who do I talk to non-professionally? I don't have a social life, man. I got nothing. Let me see. Okay, what do you like? Trying to not use the AI summary. At any rate, the non-contaminated stuff is basically,

where I was going with that is the non-contaminated source data for training is pretty much Where I was going with that is the non-contaminated source data for training is pretty much maximized now. You kind of can't get uncontaminated new data. So I do wonder how much this is even going to slow down the actual training of AI models. Probably not at all, but this could maybe slow down their intake of new information. But even then, like- Yeah, because there's extremely valuable companies currently popping up and their entire argument is that they have clean training data instead of junk training data.

And that's off of data that's already out there. A massive percentage of the internet has been farmed. Yeah. I mean, it hasn't just all of it. That's a tough thing to say, but likely. Probably. But the one kind of saving grace is if we're going to look at sites like House Fresh, new products are going to come out. Sure.

So like you would still need to crawl a site like house fresh if you want to have Up-to-date product recommendations. So for those of you who haven't watched every WAN show ever house fresh is an air purifier specialist Reviewer and we collaborated with them recently on some of the challenges that they've faced around Being pressured by air purifier manufacturers to change their reviews and also pressure that they're under financially from the decoupling of impressions and clicks that has taken place over the last little while where people are getting an impression for House Fresh but they're not clicking through to see an air purifier

review because there's like an AI summary and they just don't have to so yeah they wouldn't be able to get information on new pages but I just wonder if they'll care I mean the AI's are so inaccurate anyway. And it also starts an arms race. Yeah, we're just kicking off another crawlers versus anti-crawler technology. I mean if anyone's gonna keep out ahead of it at Cloudflare, I mean if they can handle DDoS on a massive scale the way that they do, that's a pretty dedicated bunch. They're the right team to be in front of it. We're not sponsored by cloud flare. I think we ever done anything with them. Don't think so. Oh, yeah I mean maybe yet. Yeah, we'd be open to I'd be open to it. Yeah, I'm open to it We've been working with them. Yeah in some capacity another incredibly long time quite a long time

Good luck cloud flare we're actually rooting for you on this one. Big time. Yep. Big time, big time, big time. Oh, we have another announcement. On the content side for Floatplane, I don't know where that was supposed to transition from. Cool.

You can check out my 44 minute sit down discussion with Taron. Do you wanna bring it up maybe? Sure. Okay. We... Yeah, cool. We talk about a lot of things, like some high-level company stuff, like what the f*** he's been doing so far, because viewers don't really see most of what he's doing, or what he's done since starting two years ago. We also talked about how after Yvonne met Taryn

formally she said I have a type which was a weird thing to hear. It's not our most liked video but it is our most viewed video by far ahead even of the Smash champs grand opening video. How do we know that? Do we have a view counter now? Since when? We have a ways to... no, no, it's not there. So it's not on there. No. Oh, it's a good like dislike ratio though People seem to like it. Yeah. Okay. We have ways of getting information. Well, how do we how do we know? Are people... is it just does it just seem very viewed because everyone's archiving it because they're worried It'll be taken down or like... No, no, no no no no it's there's our view counts are not accurate because technically everyone's view counts are guesses and we just haven't invested literally anything in guessing

accurately but we guess similarly all the time I see so so it's comfortable to our own stuff yeah oh okay so like we know that, you know, but like, yeah, the exact number that we have is not accurate, but unless they're like extremely weird, extremely unique interactions around this one particular video, got it, then it's probably accurate that it is high, you know? Jared S which wouldn't be a somewhat average day. I don't know when it was. And the last time we heard about this, I pushed back on it because I was like, there is no way because you didn't like stay in like 24 hours. It's clickbait. I mean, they could have hidden in my closet. I wouldn't have probably noticed. That seems to be it's a bit of a problem. Yeah, I know. That I don't think it's that. We also have the long awaited Linus reacts to staff

describing their first interactions with him. That's coming out Monday. So if you ever want to see- I'm really excited for that one. If you ever wanted to see what Float Plane is all about, now is the best time. I don't think so. I don't think so.

Because you can get early access to deals for Lime Day and amazing exclusives at lG.GG slash 4G. Yeah. Alright. What do we got left? We got some topics to minimize. You can donate your idle bandwidth. Yeah, what is this? To help archive the internet.

To make sure that the internet never forgets! Yes, Redditor U slash The Curious Bread posted a call out on the LTT subreddit for archive team warrior. Archive team warrior is a software set up to run inside a virtual machine that downloads sites and uploads them for archiving. How it works according to the curious bread's post is that there's an IRC chat where the Internet Archive team hand selects web pages with an expiration date. They set up a list for each project.

You can select the project you want to support from your end. It downloads the pages and after each page is done, it gets sent off to the Internet Archive and the copy is deleted from your end. Lightweight, late on Internet usage and big impact. That actually sounds very intelligently built. I'm not like, I shouldn't sound like I'm that surprised, but that's like, that's smart. I like that you get to pick. That's the, that was the big thing for me. That's really cool. There's a link to the Archive Warrior virtual application page, which we'll post in the chat.

I'm dumping in the float plane chat right now. I don't have the other chats open. Yeah, we'll ask Dan to do it when he's back. Dan just stepped away. Yep, way to go, Dan. Good producer. But it's wiki.archiveteam.org slash producingp.php slash archiveteam.org slash producing PHP slash archive team underscore warrior

yeah I don't know I just thought that was pretty cool that is really cool yeah I am a little confused as to how it saves any bandwidth for them if I download the page and then I upload it to them Maybe I thought you could explain it to me. No, I don't actually have an answer for that. Is it just that it's easier to scrape? Is it the bandwidth that it's saving? Is it actually the bandwidth that it's saving or is it the processing? I don't know.

I don't see how it saves any processing either. Well, it doesn't have to like go to those websites and try to grab the data. But they have to get it from like us. Or we'll only use your bandwidth. The only thing I can think of is that it would be down to it being hard for them to scrape it. Yeah, distributing it. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just distributing the crawling and downloading of the assets. Doesn't really look in here like it says, hey, the reason for this is to save us bandwidth. Yeah, it looks like it might be a rate limiting thing.

Okay, that makes a ton of sense. Yeah, sites often block server IPs or rate limiting. Okay, okay, that, that makes sense. I think our notes were just, maybe not 100%. Maybe a little bit, a little bit confused. Yeah, very cool. I don't know, I saw this and I was like, that seems like a neat project for people to participate in. Here's another neat project. The US House of Representatives has passed the big beautiful bill. Here are some rapid, rapid fire tech implications. Tax credits for semiconductor firms that are building capacity in the US could rise to 35% from 25%. The $7,500 EV tax credit will be gone by September 30th.

So if you were planning to pick up a new EV that is eligible for that tax credit, be gone by September 30th, so if you were planning to pick up a new EV that is eligible for that tax credit, you are gonna want to do that pretty quick. Clean energy tax credits, so for like wind and solar projects, will be phased out by 2027, which it has been speculated could result in higher energy costs in the longer term, and this one's a bummer. 800 megahertz of radio spectrum in about the six gigahertz range is expected to be auctioned off by 2034, which could impact the six gigahertz wifi range,

which is I think gonna be a mega downer for our American friends. Like I was at, I was at Natalie's during that tech upgrade. Hey, thank you for your ideas. No, it is not the Riot Games launcher that caused her slow downloads. Yes, it appears to download in chunks and then install, but that was not what was happening.

Her connection was super slow. We could barely even load a webpage. And there were so many SSIDs in her area, there's like 50, that we couldn't do anything. And that's on five gigahertz. Like I remember the transition from 2.4 to five gigahertz and what a breath of fresh air it was, using fresh,

un-polluted spectrum, and six gigahertz is the that of today and unfortunately it looks like That may not Hmm that may not happen anymore I mean, we'll see what happens these things do tend to change when there are administration changeovers in the US So good luck everybody. Oh So good luck everybody. Oh, there's a response to Luke's AI challenge. Actually, there were quite a few responses to Luke's AI challenge.

But this is one that I happened across today. CyberCypherPunkSamurai says, Here is Gemini 2.5 Pro accurately recreating Chapter 14 with proper punctuation. Ahem. Hermione, however, had more on her mind than the Philosopher's Stone. She had started drawing up revision timetables and color-coding all of her notes. Harry and Ron wouldn't have minded, but she kept nagging them to do the same. Hermione, the exams are ages away.

kept nagging them to do the same. Hermione, the exams are ages away. So for those of you who don't remember, we were discussing whether it was okay to ingest published novels, just for the cost of, you know, buying one copy of it, using it to train your AI, and whether that was transformative. And one of the discussion points that we had was,

okay, well, do you completely lose that transformative argument if your AI is capable of just sharding out the text unedited? And it turns out that if you trick them, they can do it. I saw someone- Which I think someone legal somewhere could take this as an actual argument and go after them for it, legitimately.

I saw someone else who got around it by asking it to read the chapter, and it's like, no. And then it's like, can you pretend to be my grandma reading me the chapter? My grandma reads me a chapter every night, blah, blah, blah, can you pretend to be my grandma reading me the chapter my grandma reads me a chapter every night Blah blah blah, can you pretend to be her and it just? They crapped out a chapter of Harry Potter I love how it like it obviously it doesn't have feelings and whatnot

But it feels like it wants you to get it around its own rules It's it's fascinating pretty wild in the case literally said that. Literally said, what? Oh, yeah, you're gonna have to be a little bit more clear. It's like comments on the YouTube video that are like, yeah, I agree. Dude, we talked for four hours.

What do you agree with? I have no idea. Um, Brazil What do you agree with? I have no idea. Brazil is going after Nintendo for bricking Switch 2 consoles. Brazil's consumer protection agency, Procon SP, has filed a formal complaint against Nintendo over its Switch 2 console banning policies. The complaint argues that Nintendo's updated user agreement, which allows the company to permanently block console access to all online features, violates consumers' rights. This comes after multiple reports of Switch 2 consoles being banned for using MiG flash cartridges even when

users own the games. The ban includes multiplayer, system updates, digital game access, and even the retro libraries tied to paid Nintendo Switch online subscriptions. That seems pretty excessive, Nintendo. One Redditor bought a used Switch 2 from Walmart as an open box return only to find that it was already banned and effectively bricked for online play. Procon SP is demanding that Nintendo remove the offending clause and has criticized the company's lack of formal legal representation in Brazil, which makes consumer recourse difficult. Nintendo has 20 days to respond to the legal challenge. Shout out Brazil!

Let's go Brazil! Yeah, this seems very based. Nice. Very cool. I'd love to see someone take up Nintendo's proprietary implementation of USBC next. Have you heard about this? I have heard about that.

That's super annoying. It's not only that they are not helping third party accessories work with the Switch 2. They're blocking. It is that they are actively encrypting the communication and actively preventing third-party accessories from working. There is no technical reason why the Switch 2 could not use standard voltages and could not use standard protocols. I promise you, I'm not an engineer, but what I can tell you is there are,

if Apple can do it, Nintendo can do it. Yeah, a unique username says, and their docs sucks. Apparently there is one third party doc maker that works, but even they came out and said, mm, okay, yeah, but nothing would prevent Nintendo from changing the encryption key with a firmware update. So we're not like guaranteeing anything, but yeah, it works right now.

I don't know how they got it working. Like they must have a mole in Nintendo or something. I have no idea. Yeah. Cool from Brazil though. The USB-C thing like, I don't know the rule of the law on that use USB-C stuff, but I feel like it violates the intention. Certainly the spirit of the law, yes. Yeah, that's what I was looking for, spirit of the law. And hopefully that you can step in on that a little bit because like, everyone using the same connector, but not being able to actually use it because you locked things off

Defeats the whole purpose and honestly actually just makes things worse in a lot of ways So hopefully that's not allowed to continue to be a thing on the really goofy part is like on the switch one It was no problem for you to just plug the Switch one into a wall wart and use it, although apparently it could like wear it out faster or something. But then if you took that same wall wart and plugged it into a dock and then tried to use the Switch on that, it like wouldn't work. It's like, can we just not? Like, can we just not that? Seriously, yeah. that seriously yeah why like I know you got to sell $40 AC adapters but like $80 games not enough how much blood do you want from our stones no no I was I

was thinking like no that's too cheap it's a hundred something I know I was thinking like, no, that's too cheap. It's a hundred something. Yeah, I know, I was converting to US. Oh boy, this is interesting. The Supreme Court in the US has upheld a Texas law that would require ID to visit some websites. Last Friday, in a six to three vote, the Supreme Court upheld a Texas law aimed at blocking minors from accessing online adult content, which on the face of it, sounds like a good thing. I don't think most minors need to be seeing that kind of content. However, like many potentially well-intentioned policies and legislation, this one is full of holes.

And no, not all of them can be filled, because we can't get to the websites to see it. The Free Speech Coalition had challenged the Texas law due to worries about the First Amendment being infringed upon. Justice Clarence Thomas stated he didn't believe that this restricts adults' free speech rights, saying, "...adults have the right to access speech obscene only to minors, but adults have no First Amendment right to avoid age verification." Okay.

Even though this is now overturning decades of precedent and has the potential to upend access to First Amendment protected speech on the internet for everyone, children and adults alike, said Samir Jain, vice president of policy at the Nonprofit Center for Democracy and Technology. Yeah. This is because back in 1996 and 2004, as well as many other times, there were rulings that federal law at the time said it would be unconstitutional to have restrictive measures on content filtering.

Several websites that would be required to have this age verification check are simply not running in Texas, as well as in several other states because they don't want to be the ones responsible for holding people's private information, like driver's licenses, passports, and whatever other ID would be used to verify the user. See, that's the problem with this law, is that... I don't want that either. The government is not doing the work to make it manageable. They don't have a nationwide ID program for every man, woman, and child that is properly

administered and properly safeguarded and whatever. And I'm not even advocating for that as a solution here. I'm just saying that they are not doing the work and not putting in any kind of infrastructure that would enable these organizations to perform the identity and age verification checks that they are demanding that they perform. They're putting all of the liability on these private enterprises, all of whom are going to have to create from scratch some kind of solution to collect this information, validate it, and store it. Which is insane!

I'm assuming what they're hoping, if I can make a, if I can try to find an argument for them right now, I'm assuming what they're hoping is that the free market will make a stripe-like thing where the liability goes on a third-party company that is very highly security focused. Sure, I mean that worked great for the credit monitoring industry. Equifax is awesome. TransUnion too. I love them both.

Dude TransUnion site is so f***ing garbage. I had to they had a wrong address in my history and I had to I like went in and tried to change it. And once you try to change it, first of all, it took me like four, three times on the phone with them to stop my account from just randomly locking when I would try to get into it. And then we finally managed to get me into the account. And then it's like a separate portal to go and like register for a change. And then when I went, I finally got an email saying that there was an update to my change request. And then when I tried to log into it, the page would error out every time I would try to go to it. I still don't know what happened with that, but I have never lived in Edmonton.

It's been a wild saga. Yeah. I mean, the thing that surprises me the most is that there wasn't one of these sites already queued up by one of the people trying to push for this bill. That's the thing that surprises me is that there isn't a solution that already at least sort of exists. I don't think they've thought that far ahead. There's a really interesting point at the end here. I think you're giving them too much credit I think this is just classic I know but as Elijah says at the end of this topic I swear this prawn topic comes up every month I

We've talked about the Texas one in particular. I think like three or four times. Yeah. This is crazy. I don't have another solution to accomplish the thing that they want other than just clicking yes on a website. And I don't think there is one. I don't think so either, but like, that's the issue is you're, you're supposedly, you know, anti-government overreach and anti-regulation,

except when it's convenient, or in this case, like, inconvenient. Like, there isn't even, there is no plan, there's no concept of a plan for how this could possibly be implemented. And look, I'm not saying that the adult entertainment industry is precious and should be protected at all costs. At all. I'm just saying that if your argument is that they need to do this thing and you have literally no idea how you expect them to do it, how do you legislate that?

I can't think of another example of something this stupid. And like if you're... Yeah, because I can imagine legislating something where you don't have the answer for it. I can't imagine that being a thing in a variety of scenarios. But in this scenario, the thing that you're trying to tell them to do is putting serious security risks on everyone involved. Well, yeah. So it's like you kind of know the only direction that they can go in Well yeah. So it's like you you kind of know the only direction that they can go in and you know that it's bad which seems

not good. Yeah I gotta wonder what lobbyist is pushing this. Like who is who is asking for this? I don't know. Genuinely unsure. Helen Lovejoy. That's the only possible thing I can think of. Who's that? Won't somebody please think of the children! Oh that's actually yeah that is actually her. Wow you're so informed. Am I? On The Simpsons? I'm sure yeah. Yep. Yeah pretty pretty much. mean, I haven't seen I haven't kind of watched any of the last probably 10 or 15 seasons But you and sir dank pods should sit down and chat about the Simpsons. There's only eight seasons. That's when the show ended Why? There is like full of Simpsons references or what I I used to make like I I used to make like

Simpsons wave is that what is called is it the music what is Simpsons wave Simpsons wave? Yeah, like that didn't you like or like we come up with this. I have no idea who invented Simpsons wave dankmas Tankmas that was it wasn't oh dang pods Isn't dank isn't that'swis one of his things? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I thought you said DMS. No, no, no, no. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I know about Dankpods and Loving the Simpsons or whatever. Okay, what are we looking at here? That's right. Okay. Yep, that's a thing that exists. Oh, this is like, this is peak stuff. Don't knock it till you try it.

No, no, I, yeah, I, okay. Yep, that's good. This is like the good part of humanity. If all this news in the WAN show makes you feel bad about being alive, any stuff like dankness, okay, should restore some of it. I am fully unironic. The art brain that that man has is amazing.

He's great. That's good stuff. Crump with me Linus. Deeply uncomfortable. Apple has introduced tiered commission and tax for app developers. In response to the EU ruling that Apple must allow app developers to use alternate payment solutions, Apple has made changes to the store services fee

paid by app developers in the EU. The fee is now broken into two tiers. And if you elect to link to outside payment options, you are locked to tier one, which gets only a subset of store services. So Tier 1, 5% commission on in-app purchases, limited store services with the TLDR being no automatic updates, no search boosts, no personalized recommendations, no editorial features,

no custom product pages, no insights and analytics. At tier two, you must exclusively use Apple's payment system. 13% commission on in-app purchases, and you get the complete set of store services. In addition, Apple is rolling out a new fee, the Core Technology Commission, which allows Apple to take a 5% bonus on outside purchases made through App Store apps.

At the time of writing, the EU Commission is yet to respond, but if you thought Epic CEO Tim Sweeney would say something, you're right. He weighed in on Twitter, Twitter, saying, Apple's new Digital Markets Act malicious compliance scheme is blatantly unlawful in both Europe and the United States and makes a mockery of fair competition in digital markets. Thanks, Tim. I feel like I always have to disclaim this.

I don't agree with Mr. Tim Sweeney on everything, but boy, do I ever agree with Mr. Tim Sweeney on everything, but boy do I ever agree with him on basic f***ing logic when it comes to monopolistic behavior in online marketplaces. I feel like he has been a voice of fresh air just kind of saying what should be obvious to everyone that the Emperor has been naked for years and if what Microsoft was doing in the 90s and early 2000s was antitrust this is like this is like uncle trust like this is you got to be kidding me yeah okay uncle trust yeah yeah yeah like anti-trust but like stronger oh like could probably beat anti-trust in an arm wrestle. I'm gonna die earlier though

probably sure probably sometimes questionable on holidays heart condition yeah Facebook is training meta AI with your unpublished photos meta AI with your unpublished photos. Last week, TechCrunch reported that some Facebook users are seeing a pop up when posting to stories, asking if the user would like to opt into cloud processing. The pop up explains that by allowing this option, Facebook will generate new ideas from your camera roll like collages, recaps, AI re-silings, or photo

themes. For this feature to work, Facebook will upload media from your camera roll to its cloud on an ongoing basis. According to the Terms of Service, Meta will have the right to retain and use any personal information that is shared with them. Wow, that's pretty cool. Holy crap. How does it keep getting worse, Luke? Billions and billions of dollars.

That's a legitimate answer. When is it enough? Like when does Mark Zuckerberg own enough of Hawaii? Never. I genuinely don't think that has a cap. He wants all of Hawaii? For people that their brain work that way, in my opinion, I think it would be just- Like is he racist? The universe.

He doesn't want Oprah to live there too? It's a valid question. I think it's everyone else. Why does he want Hawaii to have only white people? Specifically himself, actually Asian too. I'm sure his wife would be allowed to be there. Yeah. Yeah. Why does he feel that way?

Don't know. Is it just how he is is are all lizards just racist If I say that does that make me racist against lizards it might It's pretty good Mystery Ion says you don't have to be racist to not want Oprah near you I Actually have no idea what her controversies are so I'm gonna stay out of that one. I don't care Yeah, okay. Let's probably switch over to After Dark.

Maybe we got a few merge messages today. All right, cool, let's do that. Oh boy. Okay, merge messages. Do you guys just- Do you guys just, there's, hold on, there's 12, you guys just... Hold on. There's 12,500 people watching live on YouTube. Presumably there's some stragglers who still watch on Twitch for some reason.

It's like five. Maybe not for long. There's probably thousands more watching on Float Plane. I have to ask you this, honest question, okay? Do you guys tune in weekly so that you'll be there the moment my career is? That the idea I think a lot of people used to That's why I arrive every week I think I think there was a period of time where that was like absolutely a very significant part of it

Yeah, so I got a I don't know if that's as much of a thing anymore, but I know that was a thing. People at the company! He's still watching. Well now we tell them what we tell people online during the show. But people also watch to be like, is there going to be a work to come back to? Do I have to come to work to Monday? Do I have to come to work Monday? Do I have to come to work Monday? Um, I came across this on the subreddit recently. Haha, yeah I've seen this. This was funny. Um, I had never actually rewatched the clip.

Really? I mean, dude, do I really have to like, relive? Dude, I thought it was so- I watched like like so many reactions. I thought it was so funny. I had a great time with this. This guy, this guy's face So I were very funny, so I watched I had to sit through the Agonizing it's so long. It's like it's not actually that long It's like two minutes, but it feels like forever, but it feels like forever but it feels

like a lifetime imagine how long that felt for me I'm ragging through my brain like am I even right about this like cuz there's no way he would say that I'm trying to like yeah like we were, like the fact that you knew, because I don't always monitor chat. So like- Oh, that wasn't from chat monitoring. No, no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, I don't always monitor chat. So if you hadn't known- Yeah, yeah, we would have been- We could have made it to the end of that episode. And then once we stopped airing. To get back was not an option. There was no way.

Yeah. There was no way. Yeah. Just like. Yeah, it was tough. You know, I actually, I look back at that like fairly fondly and I like watching reactions to it and stuff. You know what does suck though?

Yeah. Is people that'll recognize me in public and be like, Oh, the heart R thing. That's actually why you saying this. I don't get that. That's all really knows this from. That's what people know me from. All my most viewed stuff is that clip.

So like it will genuinely I'll be in an airport. And someone will walk up to me with hundreds of people walking by and be like, oh the horror thing! That was crazy! I'm like wow I really don't want this right now. Please stop. It happens at conventions, it happens at airports. what like like if it's just us sure it's never just us I didn't have my face

show it's rough yeah and then like the stuff that comes out Luke Luke Harder left Rennier the stuff that comes after it where they're like, oh, like, I can't believe you saved that, whatever. That part is always said at a significantly lower volume than the initial bit. You scream that first bit, yeah. Yeah, like it actually happens a lot. It's very disturbing.

I don't know when people are just gonna yell, Hardar at me It's the guy, it's a heart R guy In front of the public Yeah, as long as you're not in the states you're probably okay It's not like in terms of people understanding it. Yeah, yeah, but like in America if I was just like Hanging around and someone referred to me like that real loud. I probably wouldn't be stoked on it. No, it's not comfortable. Yeah.

Like at all. Yeah, I, yeah, it is hilarious though. I do like, anytime anyone links me, a like somebody reacting to you to talk about it, whatever, I love it. I thought Moist Charlie's's Mois Criticals, his was hilarious. Highlight of my career.

Yeah, did you ever watch that one? I got to Mike Wachowski it. Just a tiny little, tiny little postcard of my head. It's great. Let me see if I can find it. Can't be that. Why did detectives almost ruined his career? He was like hours.

It was really fast. He was really fast. I mean, he just normally is really fast. Oh yeah. But yeah, this one was like hours. It was really fast. He was really fast. I mean, he just normally is really fast. Oh yeah. But yeah, this one was so funny. He talks about how he was, you should go watch it if you're interested, but he talks about how he's watching

and he's been apparently watching for a long time, like just the channel. And he was just like, sitting there just like, oh no, it's all over. I haven't watched it forever, but his recount of this was genuinely hilarious. It was also fun to hear him say that because I first saw his channel when I was in university. So like, UVic University.

So that's kind of a cool crossover thing but yeah it's very very funny anyways we're still here for now dorkier people have tried to cancel us he didn't he didn't try to cancel no no I know oh man beer B gonna fall down the reaction rabbit hole. It's pretty funny. It's yeah it's pretty good. All right. Dan. Yeah? Hit me. Okay. Hello Dynas Duke and Lan. I just got into hockey recently and I know you Linusus, had made a joke about being a fan of the Oilers before. But what are your favorite teams? Let's go Kraken for me.

To me, picking my favorite hockey team is like picking my favorite corporation because they literally- That's what they are. They literally, like very literally are corporations. So you're just like, Like, very literally, our corporations. So you're just like, when you buy the merchandise, you are supporting, you know, a lot of the really positive things that sports teams do bring to their communities. They bring people together. They often contribute to their communities charitably. Like, Canuck Place here in Vancouver does a lot of really great work.

You are contributing to the livelihoods of not just the players that play on the team, but also the farm system that filters up to the big league teams. There's a lot of, you're contributing to the businesses that rely on, you know, people leaving the stadium after the game to go get dinner or drinks or whatever it is. There's a lot of really positive things about sports ball, but you are also funneling money into the pockets of multi-gazillionaire owners and you're doing that at a greater rate than you are probably any of the other

things. And so for me, I really enjoy the sport. I am a fan of hockey. I love the tension. I love the incredible talent of just amazing, amazing players. I love the speed of the game, the intensity. I can appreciate the talent and the hard work and dedication that goes into being so, so very good at it. But I have a real hard time being that invested in a team. So for me, a big part of the joy of watching hockey is watching, you know, with someone who's really passionate about someone. So I'm at a point now where I can kind of cheer for whatever team. So I just get behind whatever, whoever David Gauthier wants to win. It was genuinely more fun watching the finals because he was there.

Oh yeah, David's so passionate and he's very well informed, not just about the game itself, but like all the players and their history and like, you know, whether they're dirty players or whether they're people that we can feel good about cheering for. Yeah, hearing him rant about that one guy was, I don't remember his name, but it was cool. Yeah, I have no interest in watching on my own. I absolutely, I don't generally like TV shows. I love Shorzy. Um, and that's like about a hockey team. So that's cool. I, I've been considering trying to like recruit a couple people to also do this with me because I'm not interested in just doing it by myself but the like kind of local hockey team trying to get season tickets for that some year and like actually trying to go to every game I think could be

kind of fun. By local hockey team I do not mean the Canucks. Yeah. I also I really like you know interesting storylines. I was rooting for the Oilers, because I don't know, they're the Canadian team or something, last year. But I was also pretty happy to see Paul Maurice lift the cup. This was the very unfortunate record that he had last year until he won. He had the most wins of an NHL coach

without having a cup. You could be like the greatest coach that never actually lifted the bloody thing. The winningest without championship coach is not the thing that you want to go down for. No, it really isn't. So I felt pretty good for him for finally getting there. And this year I just really, you saw all the passion from Dry Cytle and McDavid. I really wanted to see them lift it. They couldn't get it done. Maybe next year. We'll have to see how the offseason goes.

Yeah, I love the game. Don't love the corporateness of it. I stopped following super hard back in the Forget which lockout there was there was a lockout and it was basically like I was just as a fan I was just kind of tired of like millionaires versus billionaires This this crashed out a lot of people that I know from watching and I just didn't care who was right anymore at that point Yeah, I was just not interested anymore was it 2011 I don't remember exactly but I know I used to know quite a few people that would watch and like almost all of them stopped watching after that to be honest just 2012 2013

yes was the was the lockout it canceled many of the games of the 2012 season including the all-star game and shortened the regular season to just 48 games what was that tournament they did this year? That was incredible. That was like peak sports. New answer, the Four Nations faceoff. Yeah! Whoa, dude!

That was like... That was... It's amazing how much harder the players play... Yeah. ...with their country flag on their chest versus some corporate logo. And it really shows us what we're missing by having hockey as this corporate behemoth rather than as an international.

The Four Nations Tournament, even if you're not into hockey at all, was a fantastic watch. It's like the best hockey you can watch. And every player was going for it every time like It was kind of crazy. That was that was fascinating. That was my favorite hockey thing that's happened in like maybe ever Yeah, I'd love to see them bring that back. I don't know if they're committed for Next year, but I think seeing the success of the format there. They like it

I I'm just I'm just worried there's gonna be like too many injuries or something and they're gonna shut it down. I think they're not doing it next year because it's an Olympic year, isn't it? I think it's a winter Olympic year. That would kind of make sense, but if they did it on non-Olympic years, that would be cool. I'd be super into that.

Yeah, Four Nations Face Off was amazing. Okay. Okay, let's see what else we got next. Hello from Tasmania, Australia. Wow, hi. Linus, as you get older, do you expect your viewer demographics to age with you? Do you worry about young newbies in the tech field

shunning you in your forties? It's something that I've thought about a fair bit, actually. I mean, I think that I've talked extensively about what I call the curve, which is kind of a natural fizzle out of not just like online, you know, internet famous people, but pretty much anyone with cultural relevance. Like you can't keep it forever. And depending on what kind of a space you're in or whether you're a man or a woman or what kind of role people can imagine you in.

You think about- Happens in movie stars. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. You get kind of typecast. So if I'm typecast as the young geeky tech guy and then I grow out of it, and I'm like an old guy that still talks like this. Like, that's, that probably won't work for people.

Formats change. Something that I have not really had a, you know, a strong presence in is short form content. There's a whole tech talk that occasionally, you know, clips of me will end up on or whatever else. We have some of our own content that we upload there, but I wouldn't say that we're a dominant force by any stretch of the imagination when it comes to short form. You know, everything changes. Nothing ever stays the same. And aging out of this career has absolutely been something that I've thought about a lot, but what we're

also seeing is that while I think the audience is aging up with me a fair bit, it's not as bad as I kind of always assumed that it was going to be. We're still like heavily skewed in the 18 to 24, 25 to 34, and 35 to 44 ranges, which from an advertising standpoint is like ideal. Young men with disposable income is pretty much your optimal demographic target. And while we don't have one of the most sustainable verticals necessarily, like Financial Advice for instance has like crazy CPMs and stuff like that. Tech is really not that great for verticals. So we don't have that going for us.

Like automotive CPMs are apparently much higher. What we do have is a really stable... Oh, go ahead. They talk about that. There's a big time has a video on like, it's been one year since we left Donut. What's it like? Yeah. And they actually like, it's a very, much more open video than I think most people would make. And they show one of their dashboards at one point and show their kind of CPMs and they explain how it works and they explain how YouTube takes their cut and all this kind of stuff.

And it's really cool actually. It's a good video. I would say there is a bit of a shift occurring. So we are 41.4% 25 to 34, 20% 35 to 44, and 24.5% 18 to 24. So that is, all that remains is like 10% outside of those ranges. But I do think that Google's doing a better job of filtering out like garbage data. So I suspect it's always been a little closer to that and we are aging up a little bit into 25 to 34 but I'd say given I'm

gonna be 39 pretty soon if we're still managing to speak to 65% an 18 to 34 audience we're actually still doing a pretty okay job. And given that we still have 30% of our audience, 35 and up, we also aren't completely losing the more mature audience either. I think more of that is probably not related to you. And I think more of that is probably related to our format because we don't cater heavily to short form. We do cater to short form, Sammy does a great job, but we don't cater, our primary content is long form, which is aging up. Yeah, that's true. And I think there's just that our focus is computer hardware,

which I would argue is aging up as well. I don't necessarily think it's super related to you personally. And there's like socioeconomic factors that are contributing to this. Like it is harder for a 17 year old to buy a brand new gaming computer today than it was when I was a kid. Not just in terms of like raw dollars, like in terms of purchasing power and typical disposable income, it's much more difficult. So I can totally understand why a lot more younger people would gravitate towards console gaming, for instance.

Okay, up next. Finished all medical training, now leaving the incredible friends I went through hell with over the past five years and it sucks. What's the hardest goodbye you've had to say and how did you handle it? Ooh. Hardest goodbye. We're not talking deaths, right?

I don't think so. Oh, really? No, they left school. I think that's probably a little bit too- And they're all going their own ways. It's a little too far. Man, I don't know if I've, I don't know about hardest goodbyes.

I've had a few moderately difficult goodbyes. Like when I did my six-year exchange to Quebec, not only was I saying goodbye to all all the people who effectively like taught me French and I spent every day with while I was there as like a summer camp counselor, but I like I literally I think I think like the terms of the exchange like there was no personal information to be exchanged or something like I was literally saying goodbye forever. So that was like kind of weird. It's an old school problem. Like I hadn't really, I hadn't really like encountered that before. I don't think I had a super strong attachment to anyone in high school.

Anyone that I like didn't, you know. Maintain an attachment with. Yeah, like there, it wasn't really like goodbye. It was more just like fade away. That's one of the issues I'm having is a lot of the situations that I have left. Like what about your teams? Like, you know, you went to provincials

for like football and hockey and stuff. Like, was there ever like a goodbye moment with your teams that you were like, I'm never gonna see you guys again? That you. It was less in my opinion, like those teams. Cause the, the team you'd go play with for provincials is not the team that you would naturally, I think is not the team that you would play with throughout the

season because they would take a like all star team from all the different teams in BC for ball hockey. It's how it worked. Interesting. Um, and then, and then you'd go travel and play wherever. So like that group, I was never usually that tight knit with that group. It was more the team throughout the season. And the team throughout the season even, a lot of times you'd see the same players kind of year after year. So it's like a slow roll. Yeah, what did really really really suck was the very last year

because you turn whatever and then you're not eligible. 18 or whatever it is and you can't play on those sports teams anymore and the jump to adult teams a lot of them don't exist. Yeah, or the vibe is like completely different. Yeah, that the vibe is like completely different. Yeah, that makes sense. Like football. Oh, yeah. Adults are not going to want to like get injured. No. Like, no. Turns out people do play rugby. I didn't know about that until like

way later. But yeah, football, not so much of a thing. There's like one team, if I remember correctly, but they were super serious. And they really kind of wanted to be this is extremely of a thing. There's like one team, if I remember correctly, but they were super serious and they really kind of wanted to be, this is extremely old information and could be wrong even from back then. But they wanted to be kind of like the house team for the Lions. Like they were like trying to make it. They weren't just playing for fun. Right. Seriously playing for fun. Like I like, obviously I'm going to give it, but like I'm also not

trying to be a professional football player. So like there's a difference between trying as hard as you can and trying to be a professional football player. There is a difference. So like certain sports, they just didn't have teams, other sports, the vibe was completely different. Like I would still like to practice. Most adult teams don't practice. So you want the like football equivalent of like a badminton club, like we're running, where you can go and you can do training. Yeah, I think so.

And you can like play and compete in like ladder games or whatever, but like. Even if it was just the practice, I would love that. Football practice was sick. Pushing bags around and stuff was really fun. And there's even like, I've been looking into getting into ice hockey. We couldn't do ice hockey when I was a kid. Equipment's too expensive. Thanks. I do pretty

well now. So I could, I could, I could get some hockey equipment if I wanted some hockey equipment. But like, I can't skate at all. Yeah. Like literally at all. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty sad. It's a problem. Like I can't skate and like you're trash So like I can't just go join a team. I mean David offered to kind of Hold our hands next year. I want to do that. I'm kind of down. I'm totally down. Okay, should we do it? Yeah Okay, all right, we're doing it. Next season. So David's got to recover. I don't think you guys have seen any content yet,

but his wing is pretty busted right now. Yeah. Which is not a good sign. Ah. But he's also. Because he's a unit. He's playing a league. He can probably take some damage.

He's playing a league above what he, so apparently he can kind of, he's allowed to play in a lower league if he's kind of like chaperoning us and we suck kind of thing And he doesn't like to score too many goals and stuff So he offered to come in at the bottom. Yeah, like I was good at ball hockey and 20 years ago I'm a great rollerblader. Oh Dude, I was really good at rollerblading. Terrible ice skater. When I was 12.

Yeah. I have not done that ever since. You know those, the crosswalk bars? No. You don't talk, can I find an image of this? Okay, in the meantime I wanted to address something real quick. Unique username asks, how do you mean you couldn't get back in touch, like literally forbidden from exchanging contact deals?

I was a minor. So I think it was like a thing. And then there was one other thing that I was going to answer and I forget what it was. Oh yeah, the hardest goodbyes. Probably the hardest ones for me were employee employment terminations here. So like some of the OGs. And when I say termination, I don't mean fired. I'm not saying if they quit or were fired, that's none of your business. But just like people that, because there's some that like,

I'm still in touch with and like, it's chill like Taryn and I, not my boss Taryn, the other Taryn. We text once in a while, like Brandon came to movie night the other week. Like there's people that I'm still in touch with. But but and we do our best to kind of part on good terms, but breakups are always complicated and emotional. And sometimes, you know, they're not going to be on good terms. So those goodbyes can be really hard because these are, again, people that you work with

for a long time, a lot, and sometimes very intensely, there's a lot of bonding that takes place. It's really good. I can't find an image. So I have come up with a terrible way. You really truly have. If the goal was terrible, you did it. And do you step in them? Like a cross? There's like one here and there's like one here.

And it's a crosswalk? It's not a crosswalk, I said the wrong term. It's like a, like a, in suburbia, it's like a trail between houses or whatever. Oh! Like a pathway. That's a pretty good, picture those. Like the vehicle blocker thing.

That's a really good- Yeah, yeah. Walking paths. Good job. Yeah, walking path, not crosswalk. I just said the wrong word. We're gonna put it on the fridge. Gold star. That's a pretty, yeah. Okay, so those bars, you know how there's like

a middle bar and then the high bar and then they. So when I used to rollerblade all the time, I would deliver newspapers. Speed was of the essence. And when I was rollerblading but not delivering newspapers, or if I had a few to deliver through one of those walkways, so I'd leave my big thing of newspapers and just go with a little bit and try to go really fast, I wouldn't want to weave around those because they would slow me down. So I came up with a way that I could, if I jumped, I could get the middle of my four wheels, I could lodge it on the

bar and then lift myself up a little bit and get the middle of my other foot's four wheels on the top bar and toss myself over and just like vault them. Bloody hell, you shouldn't do that. So I did that every week for years and it was awesome. Don't try it again. My brother and I were both like, oh no dude, I might die. My brother and I were both very good. That was awesome. And then I haven't done that genuinely since I was like a very early teenager. Good.

So if I tried, I have a feeling if I tried to stop now, I would biff super hard. I literally can't find a picture of that. Yeah, why, like, why is it so hard to search for? Is that just a local thing? Like, is that not a thing? I don't know. Okay, well anyway.

I'm sure there's a proper term for it. All right, Dan. Dan, you were not there at the time. Please don't answer this for Luke and Linus. Okay. If the company was now still as small as it was five or six years ago, do you think people would have better opinions of you?

That's a good question. Five or six years ago, we were a lot smaller. I think it'd go a little bit of both ways. I think there's a certain amount of inherent, I think there's, and it depends on the person. Like some people will respect someone more, the bigger their businesses or like whatever, regardless of how good of a person they are.

Like you look at the way we hold someone like Steve Jobs in super high regard, like the guy's personal life was a dumpster fire. Like he was such an asshole. Like, you know, and nobody even disputes it. Like it's not like it's, it's not like people are like, no, he didn't completely like mistreat his partner and child. It's like, yeah, but, Apple.

He did amazing things. Yeah, like it's this sort of bizarre issue that I've talked about in the past, but I think we're doing a really poor job of choosing our male role models, is kind of what I think it boils down to. I think we sort of always have. Fair enough, I mean, we call him Alexander the Great,

and he literally, I don't know if he came up with decimating. Well, greatness does not mean good. But he certainly did a fair bit of it. Fair enough. I mean we call him Alexander the Great and he literally, I don't know if he came up with decimating. But he certainly did a fair bit of it. Anywho, but on the flip side, I think there's people that inherently feel worse about someone the more wealth they accumulate which I Can also see the perspective of especially now as we're hitting like quite a peak of wealth disparity Yes, and We're ramping up into an unaffordability crisis that is impacting almost literally everyone

like on Earth. With that said, hey. My son lives there. Sorry. Tenet. Have you been following what's been going on with property? I sent you an article today. I have not. Oh yeah, you should. Well, I mean a little bit, but not enough.

You should read it. Let me put it this way. I've been a little busy the last few it. Let me put it this way. I've been a little busy the last few weeks. Let me put it this way. The crash that I've been rooting for for some time that I think will help significantly alleviate some of the pressure that people in the Vancouver area have been feeling, we appear to be on the precipice. Like we're already over here and it seems like

the trajectory is this way. I'm so excited. People keep saying this argument to me and I don't have anything substantial to counter it with but they're like, oh yeah, everybody's just waiting. And then like when the market drops like a couple percent, which is an enormous amount in the housing market, they're just all gonna rush and buy. a couple percent, which is an enormous amount in the housing market.

They're just all gonna rush and buy. And my constant gut feeling is like, who, dude? Corporations! Who are these people? They're gonna buy up all the cheap housing. Cause there's a demographic shift happening at the same time. Like, dude, there's so many businesses for sale on Facebook. Look, I...

Buy one with a jet jet two for one. Your Facebook marketplace is a jet, I really, really, it'll never happen, but it'd be so wonderful if I could just copy your algorithm and put it in mine. I want that as its own website. Yeah, I would, Linus's Facebook marketplace is a website I would go to. I know I didn't speak directly to the mic, you can't hear that, but like, man, you see businesses? Tons. Tons. Not haunted monkey, $2 million jet, just an entire business. Do you want to buy a Kroger's for $26,000?

She's a nacho heater. Like it's actually amazing. Cursed Gatorade. So there's a lot of businesses, okay, for sale on Facebook, because boomers are retiring and there's like literally no one to buy them. So they're cheap. Right. So people are able to buy these things for like 1x EBITDA and like if they have some

startup capital, which is a real challenge because they haven't had an opportunity in their life. They're making money so they have to inherit it. Yeah, to build up a nest egg or credit worthiness. You could just borrow against your house. Oh, no way. Wait, no, that's like real though. Yeah, that's how a lot of it gets started, right? So it's gonna take some time, but I think we are,

and the problem is that heading into this is going to be really painful in other ways. Like it's gonna be a boon to people who are who have managed to save and we're just waiting for things to get ever so slightly more affordable, but it could also be deeply problematic for people who are a little bit lower on the social ladder rungs and have not managed to accumulate the down payment that they need and whose employment could be impacted by the economic hardship that's going to take place and the like everything's oh why is everyone show bad news when show It's almost like it's a reflection of the world.

Oh no wait, that's worse. Irish Luck asked, what is EBITDA? Hold on. It's a really fun word that doesn't seem to mean anything on the stock market. It stands for earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization. It basically tells you how much money a company makes excluding any effects of financing taxes

and non-cash accounting practices. So it's like theoretically a no bullsh**. Like how profitable is this business? Theoretically. Yep. Big theoretically. But there's always creative accounting. Yep.

Hit me Dan. Hi, Linux Seabass. Do you feel burned out due to the increased workload as Chief Vision Officer compared to the time that you were thinking of retiring? Do you feel more tired this time? Well, I never get younger, which it turns out is a challenge, because we hit our biological

peak at like, what is it, like 23 to 27 or something like that. So everything's downhill every day. My reflexes are slower. Oh, hi there. Every day my reflexes are slower. Oh, hi there. You know, like every day I'm dumber. Every day my peak physical condition erodes a little bit. So I never feel more energized than before. However, I wouldn't say that my workload as CVO

is increased, it's different. I was trying to cut back to four days a week for a long time. I never actually really got that day off actually, I shouldn't say never, I think it happened somewhere between three and five times. And then theoretically, I was going to go to filming like three days a week, starting at the beginning of this June. But in practice, I've actually just started telling people I'm officially back to full time now. Because I mean, the truth is, we've been having some very challenging growth pains recently. And I don't mean this as a knock against anyone in particular.

What I mean is that it's just very difficult scaling a company from, what's the German word again, Mittelstaat? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. The good one. Mittelstand. Very difficult scaling a company from Mittelstand to even just being a sustainable Mittelstand, actually. Even if we weren't trying to 10x, which I don't even think we are trying to do. to even just being a sustainable middle stand, actually,

even if we weren't trying to 10X, which I don't even think we are trying to do. I'd kind of rather not. Yeah, people don't wanna stick around for stagnation, right? And staying middle stand forever might appeal to you or me or someone, but it might not appeal to, maybe Dan doesn't like that. Maybe that doesn't work for his career growth progression.

I'd still ride the bus, but just like I applied some amount of resistance to us becoming the size we are now, I would apply a similar amount of resistance to us 10Xing. 500 would be difficult enough. Yeah. 1000. I would hope, when I was talking 10X,

I was talking revenue. I would hope we could 10X revenue without 10Xing. Oh, I thought you were talking headcount because we were talking about the difficult. Oh God, no, I don't know. Oh yeah, 10X probably be 200, I would say. 200 to 20. You could probably do that level of revenue.

Depends. 10X revenue dude, let's go. Revenue,, profit, probably not. Let's go. Yeah, 10x revenue we might be able to do like if we really scaled our activities in LTT store, and did like way more marketing. So we just like go for maximum top line revenue, knowing that the profitability is going to drop like a rock, then yeah, something like that could work. Jirisol says, imagine building an air table for a thousand people. Yeah.

I read that and it gave me short-term trauma and I'm not even doing it. It's going to be identical. Um, there's, there's like no change. The, the complexity is in how many types of jobs. That's a big problem here. As much as it's a hundred jobs, it's not a hundred people. 200 people would still be about the same quantity of jobs. Unless we keep doing more and more things,

which is what this company does. So, the way I'm looking. Yeah, but we already did the hard part. FloorVPN, LinusCoin, we'll have a system integrator. We're gonna have one. Now it's just scope creep, and so we've already done the hard part, so we're fine. Okay, okay?

Yeah, cuz I was gonna say no now. It's a thousand jobs I might need another couple months Vacation by the way This is the it's the best example. I can do Nice It's about all the zoom you got basically there we go. Yeah, just like that. It won't keep it perfect Yeah, that's what he's talking about. Yeah, yeah. There you go. I tried, I tried every search term I could think of and couldn't find an actual example of it in a walkway like that. I could find just the bars I found that and I've seen them everywhere they are oh just like close that's close that's close not it's not perfect that's close

yeah no the one Luke showed is the one that we have all the all over the place here yeah the cyclist Ender says curious bread yeah there's some rough videos there are actually no no yeah I don't need to see that yeah I mean you're not supposed to be riding your bike there it's just a slow down it's it means slow down a lot it means walk the rough videos are usually from where it didn't have them and then they put them in because everybody rides looking at the ground. Well, it's a lot of it's like coming down a hill

or something. That's bad. Should put a ramp. And if it's like really gloomy out and raining and they're also gray. And like the ones that I showed had like little stripes at the top. Most of them don't.

I have never seen them with any kind of indication that there is something that's going to hurt you. That was unique about this one. I've never seen that either. That was unique about this one. Usually they're just gray metal. So like in certain conditions, they're not the easiest thing to see. And if you're traveling really fast,

you can whack them pretty hard. I never have, but I know from video experience. Look up staggered barriers, I did. Okay, last one. Last one I got for you. Hey, Linus, Luke and Dan. Wow, somebody actually used normal words for a change. Still awake here in London enjoying the show.

I am brainstorming an app idea that I want to build. And I was wondering back at the beginning of Flowplain, how did you plan it out? That was my reaction when I read this too. Ah, yes, plan. So Jake and I had a semblance of a plan, and then we talked about it somewhere. Concept of a plan, they say.

Yeah, we had the idea of having a plan, and we talked about it somewhere. I don't remember where that was. It was in a video or a WAN show or something. Nice. And then there was a thread made on the forum of people talking about it, and AJ, who still works here, Thank goodness, responded being like, neat plan, but you could do it this way. And it was like this really long write-up of like how we should actually do it.

And then we brought him on and did that. Nice. Nice. And then we're like wow that was one of the worst times in history to make a video platform so a lot of it has changed since then but AJ's plan for that time was good nice. It's just with hindsight. It's just like wow those weren't bad ideas but Rough We'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel

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