The WAN Show - YouTube Is Getting Way Worse And Also Way Better - WAN Show September 25, 2026

Episode Date: September 26, 2026

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Everybody and welcome to the WAN show. It's been an enormous week. Like, it's not Techtober yet. So why is there so much tech? TechTember. Dude, made on YouTube 20, or made on YouTube 2026 was insane. There's a bunch of new features coming, both for creators as well as for audience members, some of which make me very excited and others of which make me concerned for the future of

platform. We got a good healthy mix of both of them. Also, meta. How was meta the highlight of the week with, I mean, a little charm that has a cute little spy mascot on it? We're going to talk about Muse. What else we got going on? Raspberry Pi is locking their firmware capacities in locking their RAM capacities in firmware, so you can't upgrade them anymore. And if you buy GTA6, the collector's edition, you don't get GTA6. The show is brought you today by Corsair, an AMD along with TeeLink and C Sonic. In addition to them, there's our rat partner Dbrand,

our laptop partner Dell, who, I guess I should probably move this so you can. I'll put it here. You know, that kind of works, right? Oh, now it's so inconspicuous. As well as our chair partner, Razor. All right, let's jump right into the headline topic this week, which is all of the stuff announced

that made on YouTube 2026. Four creators who why don't we start with the I misread this as controversial but why not both? Their conversational AI editor in shorts and the YouTube

create app which lets creators use suggested or custom prompts to generate a first draft of their videos. From there, the idea is that they make manual edits or just keep chatting with the AI to reorder frames, trim clips, or even sync their edit to the beat of their background music. Do we want to comment on these things as we go, or should I just get it all out of the way and we'll discuss it at the end?

I think comment as we go. Okay, I hate it. Yeah. I thought the whole idea is create. and remember when they rebranded YouTubers to creators, right? To get away from that icky eye influencer word?

Are we really creators if we're just letting an AI edit our videos for us? I realize that this has probably super strong old man yells at cloud energy right now but back in my day... No, I think a lot of the old man are just scrolling Facebook AI generated videos. So maybe not.

I think they're too busy. I don't think they're yelling at clouds anymore. Or if they are yelling at clouds, they're fake like Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger duking it out or whatever. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Well, if I'm, I, uh, YouTube studio is also being pumped with a lot of new ways to give creators better insights and tools to apply to both their new and their back.

catalog of videos including feedback on a drafts pacing, structure, and storytelling. This is in addition to new insights into past video performance to help creators spot their outlier hits in hopes of replicating them. This is another one of those things that between these two, actually I'm going to do the next one first and then I'll talk about all three of them. When it's time to package the video, creators will also soon be able to generate thumb that match their channel's style, or let dynamic thumbnails show the best of three options

to different audience segments. Okay, I'll do one more. Another announced feature is letting creators test up to three different cuts of a video to see which hook performs the best or which one has the best pacing and retention. There's so much to unpack here. I think we've got to pause and talk.

I think we're going to pause. doesn't talk. Yeah. I need a minute. Now, we could prompt YouTube's AI to figure out what you should have done instead of going silent for a minute. That wouldn't be real, Luke. This is where, this is where, I mean, we're, look, I'm a professional YouTuber. I have been for half of my life, basically, in some capacity or another.

I have, I have uploaded videos to the internet as part of, part of or all of my job for, coming up close to two decades now, which is a pretty unique position, one that I'm extremely grateful for. And I've always told myself that what made it work was that, you know, there was something about, you know, my passion that resonated with other people that helped us form a community together. I've always, I've always told up-and-coming creators, to use the newer parlance. When they ask me for advice, I'll say, hey, never forget, it's called YouTube. You have to be, you have to be genuine and you have to be authentic to yourself because anything else won't last. You know, people's BS detectors are hypersensitive. And if you're anybody other than

you, it's just not going to work. And while I have embraced certain optimization tools, because the reality of it is that we've got 100 mouths to feed here and we've got to make sure that our videos are getting views. A great example of this would be things like very convenient ways to look at the retention of your video and, oh, this part really resonated, this part didn't. It's kind of like reading the comments, except that it's kind of distilled down.

You can see, yeah, what people liked, what people didn't like. And then another one is A-B testing for thumbnails. Like, what is more eye-grabbing to people as they're going through the various interfaces on YouTube that I don't necessarily even use? Like, I'm one of the weird frecozoids who doesn't watch YouTube on their TV yet. And so, you know, I don't know necessarily what thumbnail packaging is going to work best. These are things that I have embraced. But damn it! I kind of feel like I got to draw the line at AI recommendations for the story that I...

Like, is it my story anymore if I'm taking AI recommendations or if I'm even worse, letting an AI edit it for me? And furthermore, I mean, I honestly, no, yeah, I think in both of them, the idea is that a human comes in and does the final work. No, it's just, it's interesting. And maybe the argument is irrelevant anyways. But the, to me, but that might just be. the way that I approach things, the original crafted story being written by AI is worse than

a original crafted story written by a person that is then edited by AI. Well, in either case, supposedly, we're giving it footage that... Yes, in either case, it's a... We created. So there was some human storytelling as long as you all didn't also just have an AI shard out a script and then read it to the camera. But the other one for me is like, where I draw the line is multiple versions of the video. Like if you've got to make a correction because, you know, something,

you derped a graph or whatever the case may be, that's something that I'm very supportive of it. It's happened to us. It's happened to many other creators. The most interesting thing to me with the multiple versions of the video thing was that the videos were not the same length. No.

Which would mean, which if you're wondering, like, why does that matter? It's, if you are posting a correction to a YouTube video, they need you to have the resulting correction be the same length. Or they won't let you do it. If that is no longer requirement, that's awesome. Then why can't we make little corrections? Well, no, I'm thinking we would be able to now.

But I didn't see anything about that. But this is effectively the same thing. And also, I am not. You could just A, B, test it and then forcibly make the other one be the answer. I see where you're going. And I am unhappy still. I wouldn't trade this for that. because in my mind, at a certain point,

like, okay, you can play around with the packaging, right? Like, I always love the food analogy for the packaging. Like, I want to make a nutritious meal, and then if I have to put, you know, a tricks rabbit or Captain Crunch or whatever on it, if I have to put, like, a silly character or whatever packaging on, I have to make this face, you know, whatever YouTube face, right? Fine, I'll do that as long as people are getting something that ultimately, you know, is kind of entertaining.

it teaches them a little bit. It helps them find their passion for technology that might spread into other parts of their life. These are all tradeoffs that I'm willing to make. But if you can't actually just commit to what the story is that you wanted to tell, what was authentic to your voice, are you even finishing the product,

or are you just throwing spaghetti at the wall and then letting algorithmically slash audience behavior decide what your story is and what your voice is? And at that point, what is your voice? That's interesting because I didn't take it that way. I took it as like you can have, you have, you know, there's kind of, there's a lot of major parts to a video.

But to simplify like basically as far as you can go, there's your appetizer and then there's the rest of the video. Yeah. And the way that I saw this is basically just experimenting with appetizer. And I think a lot of that comes down to, you might have like a, say, an artistic idea. Like there's a really interesting video. This was talked about on the Cullen and Samir show a little while ago. But Red Bull, I just typed in Red Bell. That is not what I'm looking for.

Red Bull has a video that they released. Not that long ago. I should be able to find it pretty easily. Here it is. this video here I skied down Mount Everest World First no oxygen 49 million views

even for a Red Bull video that banged this video starts really slow if remember correctly there isn't audio there isn't talking here really slow start

and this was fairly controversial there was some debate around this and then they ended up deciding to go this direction but this extremely slow start isn't necessarily the video you know this is this is I think this is like the first time you actually see a person is like 24 seconds in like it's it's really slow but people resonated with it really powerfully but it was a gamble that they took and they could have started it where they had like traditional YouTube well we're gonna ski down a mountain

and then also had this one and then a be tested and then been able to go to go with this one. Because it's tough, because you're kind of segmenting. It could also be interesting. Yeah, what if they, what if they hadn't committed and what if this one had not won and it hadn't ultimately found its legs? We actually still don't know that. I think it's also interesting, like they're talking about how you can deliver thumbnails

to segments of the audience. Yes. I'm wondering if they're going to eventually allow you to give videos to segments of the audience. And it could make sense almost because this video, especially this intro was crafted for TVs. Yeah. They talked very publicly about how this video was specifically made for TVs. And if you're sitting down in your couch and you have a big, beautiful looking TV up there,

and you have these big, vast swooping shots of Mount Everest, you might be more tied in than if you're watching this slow thing while you're on your phone and you only have a few minutes. So it's interesting. It's interesting. I think it's a lot of work. I saw a couple creators reacting to this with just like tired face emojis. And it's like, yeah, now we're, now we're not just making a video and a title and a thumbnail. We're making a video in four titles and four thumbnails and four intros.

And potentially entire videos in some cases. Like you might have vastly different cuts. And the crazy part is as a creator with a team, with the resources to actually leverage this stuff. Is that what you really want the more? No! No, I want us. I want us. It's like what type of competition do you want to have, basically?

Yeah. And if the competition is pushing everything you possibly can into getting a click and getting someone to watch for 30 seconds. It's like, is that the race? No. We really want to be in. And that's the race we were already in. Yeah. Now it's shifting the focus even more to just that.

Because now you have the specifically engaged views stat. And it was about retention. And now what I'm hearing a lot of people talking about is just engage views. And to capture that engaged view, you need them for a nebulous amount of time, but somewhere around 30 seconds. I, um, I'm, I'm, I just, what, what I think is that for the people who have, have already made AI integral to their workflow, this will be pretty easy to just do more of it. But for the human, for for human crafted channels like ours, what we're doing is not scalable in this way. We can't really, we can, but we also can't really do, to your point, you know,

three intros for every video, a whole bunch of thumbnails, a whole bunch of different titles, and just kind of... Especially with the effort that goes into these intros. Like, there's times where I think there's just as much effort that goes into the intro that goes into the entire rest of the video. So at this point in time,

if you're doing three intros, like, my God. Whereas if you were just having an AI, crap this stuff out for you, and you basically just have, like, you know, an agent running in the background, monitoring your back catalog of videos, finding anything that dips below some view number, and it just like sharts a new title or thumbnail idea

based on a more current meta. Okay, this is going to be really controversial maybe. But have you seen what's going on with CGP Gray? No. Ooh, I don't know how people are going to feel about this. But as far as my understanding goes, like, you know, no upload in a year. year. As far as my understanding goes, that's what's happening to this channel, is that all these

titles and thumbnails are being rapidly recycled to try to get them rebooted in algorithms. Really? I've heard this, and as I'm scrolling through, someone who's watched a lot of CGP Gray stuff, I don't recognize a lot of these. I recognize the art style. Yeah, but there's a big difference between the art style and actually drawn by him. Yeah, and the flow plane chat. Yeah, it's true. It's definitely real.

He's been doing it for a while now. Titles and thumbnails have been changed multiple times. It's just, it's very interesting. I've also heard, you know, from some other creators talking to them that, like, we might do a few thumbnail revisions. I've talked to other creators that are doing minimum double digits every single video no matter what. and they have like very specific rubrics for like how they do revisions and what the revisions are based on and like the first few revisions are are very different than the last few revisions and like what what types of things are changing and why and when and blah blah blah blah

I mean we've even talked about um how there is no best thumbnail anymore yeah like there's a good thumbnail for your first hour yep and then there's a good thumbnail for that too because what we uh James actually sent me over a really interesting bit of analysis that he did, where he found that for a video, because in theory, right, YouTube is serving the best video for you, the individual viewer, at this given moment. That's the idea. That's in theory. In practice, creators end up kind of like pigeonholed and their video cannot be deemed good

unless their baked in viewer base decides that it is good, at which point it will be served to a broader audience. No one at YouTube will ever admit that. But in practice, James proved it. Like, that's how it works. No, that's for sure. Your outlier, banger videos must resonate with your core subscribed audience, or basically, they just are dead.

They may pick up later at some point. I found evergreen views are incredibly low right now. Evergreen, oh, dude. Like, basically dead. Dude, evergreen views are ever brown. They're dead. They're dying. They're like the one, it used to be that I could go into like the real time stats and I would always find like how to build a PC the last guide you'll ever made.

I would always find like, you know, a handful of like like Scamazon would show up there once in a while. Like those ones that were just relevant forever, basically. One quick sec. Yeah. Someone asked what is an evergreen view. Evergreen is basically the amount of views that your video is going to continue to get. it over time. And there is usually content that is made with evergreen views in mind, meaning that like, you know, news would be like anti-evergreen. If I'm covering the news of what happened this week,

latest iPhone, or that, whatever, that's not very evergreen. Unless someone's trying to look back and see what happened with the certain iPhone, you're not going to get that many videos views over time. But if you're trying to make a video and the title of it is the last guide you'll ever need. Or you interview Linus Torvalds. Sure. That is intended to. be a forever piece that people could watch now or 10 years from now. Despite the fact that you guys are building a computer, which timegates it slightly, no one cares, it doesn't matter. So that's viewable basically for all time.

That's an evergreen video. Yeah. And so the only one, the only one is actually the one I just mentioned is the Linus Torval's one. Everything else is basically just like, okay, it gets and it's completely dead. and that's not the way that that's not the way that it traditionally worked like here if we go especially like the 60 minute view would always be a way that you could kind of go oh yeah there's one that's like getting a little resurgence so everything in there is my wife needs a phone i cooled a PC with a slushy machine why is everybody buying this uh something part of that series $20 something uh apple just copied Microsoft's homework okay we've got one the $2,000 gaming PC classic LTT Builder guide is in there. Other than that, it's all stuff from the last couple of weeks. In fact, the Torval's video isn't even in there.

Oh, no, there it is. Yep. Other than that, it's all stuff from the last couple of weeks. There's no steady state that a video can kind of settle into. And I think a part of that is YouTube algorithmically changing. And I think a part of it is other creators going back and updating their back catalogs, which raises the competition bar for, someone else's back catalog.

So, I mean, in theory, this is the thing, right? In theory, everything that increases competition between creators increases the quality of the final product that you will watch. Except that I feel like, and I don't have solid evidence for this, but I feel like there's a big difference between the quality in terms of the tastiness of something and the quality in terms of the long-term fulfillment. And I'm not sure if we're chasing the right one. Again, food industry sort of parallels where just because everybody's buying it and the

more everybody buys it, the more we put it on the shelf, which means the more everybody buys it, just because that positive feedback loop exists does not necessarily mean that Pop-Tarts are what we should all be eating. and I'm not even going to claim that LTT is the most nutritious content on the entire platform. No. We make an effort to fortify it with vitamins and minerals, but we do try to make a tasty snack. Get some iron in there. Yeah, get a little bit of B6 and, you know, that good stuff.

Like breakfast cereal, but it's got some nutrition in it. Yeah, exactly, right? But I just, I worry that by focusing so much on packaging, we've lost the point of all of it, which was that it was supposed to be you tube. And it just, it feels like algorithm tube. It feels like optimization tube is where we're headed. And that old phrase, which is not intended to be used this way, but I think it can be, is like you optimize the fun out of everything.

Yeah. I feel like that's pretty real. And you know what? I'm not going to, I, this is a great, good timing for this question. M.

N. Connor says, if this feature is proven to increase revenue on your videos, would you try it as a business owner? And I have already, not refused to use because there are other people internally who use tools like, um,

you know, thumbnail idea generators and, there are, I was going to ask you about that. There are thumbnails. on our channel that have AI stuff in them. Oh yeah, 100%. But I don't use them.

And I, how do I put this? I ran a little experiment, and it was just, it was a little experiment. It wasn't like a, I didn't even go full, I didn't go full hog. I was working on a video, oh, yeah, it's one we haven't actually shot yet because MSI is sponsoring it

and they want like their monitor. prominently featured in the shoot, so we've just got to kind of get it set up for that. But it's going to be how to switch from Windows to Linux. And that one was based on a Labs article. And so just for lulls, I tried feeding a couple prompts into an AI, and I said, hey, in the style of an LTT video, ignore this kind of stages of grief sort of framing that the article used because I don't feel we need to have exactly the same sort of narrative thread through it.

I have something else in mind. Write a video script for this. And it did. And it was fine. Then I wrote an intro. I wrote my own intro. It was completely separate. I think I'd actually already written the intro.

So I then fed it the intro. And I was like, okay, now continue where I left off and finish it. And it was a little finer. And then I wrote half the video. video on my own and I was like, okay, just finished the rest of it. And the part it did was fine. It was all fine. But what it wasn't was... You. It's not fine, tube. Yeah. It's a f***ed, man. Yeah, I don't like it. It's like, okay, let me devil's advocate slightly. Sure. Hit me. First. Doing that first.

Yeah, here we go. All right. If they're going to build these tools and people use these tools who were going to use tools that do effectively the same thing anyways, but are off platform, this gives YouTube more baked in insight into what videos are having this done to them. Therefore, if they're going to publicly flag things in any way, they have that ammo. if I had any confidence that that was how they were planning to use this, I'd be like, whoa, big brain, 4D chest, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But you really. I put the hands up before I said anything, okay? Yeah, yeah, you did. I preemptively surrender. That was weird. What? What? Shoot, man.

I'm, I don't know. I feel, I feel between this and the meta event. And I don't think we're ready to transition into that yet. We'll talk about that later. This, the meta event, there was at least one other thing this week that I was just like, maybe I don't, maybe tech has moved past me. I think tech has moved past most real people. I don't think it's fair to call the people who are interested in this stuff

not real people. I think I will hold back from going that far. I know a lot of people who are interested in the tools. I don't know almost anyone that is interested in the content. I know a lot of people that are interested in the productive output that it can have for coding. I know, I mean, man, looking at almost any new small community spun up website these days

is fascinating because they've all got the fingerprint. You can tell within seconds, man. I can tell it's a good wandshow when my eyebrows spend the whole time in this shape. I actually, it's like, it's something I'm like very conscious of because I like kind of hated. It looks kind of punchable.

but it's like my concern eyebrow shape. And it's there, you'll see it even when I smile. It's like there a bit. But I mean, I've thought that it's interesting because a lot of these small communities are like making websites again instead of just centralizing around discords, often both. And but every time you look at them within like if you have a mildly trained eye. like if you've been paying attention to AI stuff basically at all and you look at one of these yeah extra crispy is saying that it's the colors

especially open AI models collad is better but it still has its vibe yeah they all have kind of the same vibe they all pull from the same kind of color palette they have the same kind of thing going on they're almost all built dark mode first or only they they often all have rounded

corners on things there's there's lots of they all have boxed little sections and blah blah blah blah blah it's all it's it's all neat and it's nice and they look aesthetically fine um i didn't even intend on doing that but it's true it's just fine uh devoid of life sure yeah they're they're fine they're just fine and there's a bajillion of them um and i know a lot of people that are trying to code projects the most successful place that I've seen this in is like little personal projects like oh I want to have I want to build this thing for home automation that's been really popular for the last little while and I'm going to careful with that one and I'm going to use like you know AI prompting to build this little home automation thing which will maybe like use my cameras and detect when someone that I know is coming to the house versus someone that I don't know is coming to. to the house and do different things or whatever else. You know, use AI to detect absence of people at home and change the...

Turn the HVAC off. Turn the HVAC off. Turn the heating off. I mean, I am... I was up till like two, three in the morning last night working on... Yep. A car recognition. Sure.

So I like, I know a lot of people that are using it very happily and very happily using the output of it in that realm. But I don't know like anyone who's like, yeah, I'm excited. excited about AI movies. Yeah. Or, oh, yeah, I'm really into AI art. Like, I don't, I don't know anybody who's... Read a really interesting article.

Apparently, there's a lot of, like, it's like the boomers who are really into AI art. Like, slop of their grandkids. That's why I mentioned earlier. That's why I mentioned earlier, the old people scrolling Facebook reels of AI stuff. I don't know what's up with that. That's weird. Yeah.

I don't have an explanation for that. It only seems to be sniping the old people. I know, I think the very young, too. Mm. Like, just, just meming on it. To them, it's like, there's, there's no difference. I, I, um... I'm around less, so I don't know.

I'm so glad my kids are not allowed on TikTok. Yeah. I'm like, I, I'm giving myself a gold star of parenting. Good job. Um, for not letting my kids on TikTok still. My oldest is like well into high school and not allowed TikTok. Well into high school. I know right.

I know right. Oh, dude. Speaking of like human experiences and stuff that matters, man, I had this conversation with him already. But I had like the most magic like dinner with him last week. It was Saturday night. We went to the fat burger after. playing badminton together for three hours and this was this was a really special night because i've been telling him for years that one day if you train really hard and if you do your best

and you've got your conditioning in the right place i will take you to like my high octane group like my my saturday group and uh he finally came for the first time and he like slayed it um i'd gotten him in in like a waitless spot because it's like it's it's it's one of those things it's like it's a pretty demanded people want in yeah people want in it's it's the happen place on saturday night as you go do the saturday group and then you get like go get a meal after it's like it's like one of the cool groups yeah um but you have to be at a certain level or you like you just you don't get the invite it just doesn't work like that um but i got him in waitlisted and i was told like hey it's like a one-time thing um he needs to be able to hang on his own merit he's

Yeah, and like he has to, and I, like, I have kind of a special rule for myself because I know the organizer of the group. He works for me. And so he lets me kind of jump in like last minute, even if it's like kind of full and stuff because he knows my schedule is not conducive to planning ahead for stuff like that sometimes. But he's like, your son's going to have to like get a last minute spot if it's available, whatever, whatever, whatever. I get the message afterward. He can come anytime. And I was like, this is 10 years of investment paid off. Like, like, I think I have this reputation for being very, like, fly by night, like, seat of my pants.

Don't imagine for a second that there isn't a master plan. I literally, like, got married, had kids right away, and, like, grounded out at the beginning. like 100% grind set with like pay the mortgage fast get the business going get the kids raised do it do it do it while you've still got the energy while you're young and the the pot of gold at the end of this rainbow was supposed to be that there would be enough overlap between the tail end of my prime and the beginning of my kids that I could have like a real still functioning and not cognitively declined relationship even like physically be able to like do hiking and sports and like keep up for a little bit while they made their way into adulthood. And I finally like finally got there last Saturday. And in no part of that experience did AI play any role. Whatsoever. AI had nothing to do with all of those mornings like nine, ten years ago going to the rec center and just just hitting.

All the times that I drove them to and from lessons like AI not present at all. Actually, I've been driving that self-driving Tesla this week. And I've had another week of basically flawless experiences with it. It's been kind of outstanding. And it got me thinking there was some time that it would have been very convenient to just send the car to go get my kid and bring them back. And then I went, wait, no, because the car is actually one of the. primary places that you can pin down your kids and they can't escape anywhere and you can talk to them. My mom used to say that she like used to say, I don't know, I think she'd still say this,

that when we were growing up, she didn't want to send my brother and I on the bus too much because it was like, you know, it's, yeah, basically what you just said, she could effectively corner us and get us to like talk about school or whatever else was going on. You got nowhere else to go. You got nothing else to do. Might as well chat. What are you gonna do tuck and roll? Yeah, yeah. If she starts asking you about that, you know, that girl that you were messaging or whatever.

Like, you got no choice, you got no choice. Yeah. Anyway, I, um, I... So, back to, back to YouTube features. Yeah, I just, I don't want, I don't want this stuff. YouTube's been going down a rough path. It's tough though. know what you everything has to be sold we've talked on Wanshow before about how like one of the

most universally valuable degrees would be a business degree because everything has to be sold you have to be sold you have to be sold to prospective employers you have to be sold to prospective partners you have to be sold all the time um Sammy apparently wants to say things um but I, so I want to, and like everyone has to sell something to someone basically all the time. So if you're, if you're running YouTube, um, you have to sell to alphabet, I guess, what your future path for YouTube is. Yeah, how you're going to keep generating a return. And it's not enough to tread water. No.

That's not what a multi-trillion dollar multinational organization expects. They, they want to know how you're going to be beating TikTok. and they want to know how you're going to be beating Netflix because that's a primary competitor now. Yeah. And they want to know how you're going to be beating all these things and retaining all these creators and getting new creators come to your platform

and being innovative and being on top of everything. And they want to know all that kind of stuff. And what do you do you do right now? What do you sell to them right now? And your answer could be, you could be watching this and your answer could be, we are YouTube, we're not AI Tube, and we're not going to promote shorts

and we're not going to promote AI made content. And it's just going to stay on the graders. And that's a wonderful answer. And I love it. And I agree with you. And that's great. And you're not going to run YouTube. And it's just like, it is what it is.

So I hate it. I hate this path. I hate that shorts are being promoted so much. I hate that AI content is being defended. I hate that AI content is not only being defended, but they're going to help you make it. But at the same time, it's like, I don't know. It's tough.

I don't see them going a different direction than this. If there's a ton of public outcry, all kind of stuff, I still don't see it necessarily changing. There's a few more. There's more. But wait, there's more. On the community side, YouTube is testing an opt-in AI comment moderation feature that learns to mimic a channel's own moderation style.

There's another cool one that I actually noticed that I like. When I reply to a comment now in the studio, I'll get a notification after I reply that there were like 10 other people who had a similar comment. And based on my response, it'll draft a response to them that I can go approve, approve, approve, approve, approve. And it's actually been pretty good. Throwing that out there. Automod has also been a thing forever. Not actually forever, but for quite a while now.

I don't know about it taking actions. It's suggesting actions, I think is totally cool. It taking actions is maybe a little much. Yeah. Finally, likeness detection is something that is already a thing, but will expand to detect unauthorized use of a creator's voice as well as their likeness. YouTube says that billions of channels are eligible to sign up for automated deep fake detection as well. Now, you came across a channel.

Yes. Right as we were starting the show that it's apparently using my likeness, what were they doing exactly? So it's this channel, HomeFi. I just, what is it like some slop channel or, What is it? I have no idea. This is what the thumbnail was. I don't know why it's showing for every single chapter.

I don't know if that's normal or not. But this is what the thumbnail was. I saw this thumbnail in the sidebar, saw a Linus. Is that a real me or is that an AI me? I actually can't tell. That might be a real me. That might be from one of our TikTok hacks videos. Yeah.

It looks real you to me. It's getting hard to tell these days, but it looks real you. and then I Oh it's not from one of those videos Clicked on the video Because I was trying to figure out is this stolen Yeah Content that is just re-uploaded somewhere

And no As far as I can tell Oh man Yeah Chrome was locked up again Is that even Is that a real board Um

And that looks like it's potentially also fake Um But yeah there's There's a lot Basically there's no linus in this video Okay Despite being in the thumbnail And as far as I can tell...

So they just ripped off my likeness for the thumbnail. As far as I can tell, it's because of this. Featured gear in products. Proxmark 3. Proxmark 3 is the top product listed. Oh, okay. So it's just farming. Proxmark 3.

How to use a $12. Proxmark 3. So I think it's just generated content that is trying to sell stuff. Got it. Okay. I think. Can't really tell you. what's going on.

All right. For live streamers, but wait, there's more. They're now able to tap a new React Live button on any eligible long form video or live stream to jump right into the conversations happening across the platform,

whatever exactly that means. What it sounds like to me is that basically they're building reactions into the platform in a way that might actually credit the original creator of the video. I have not looked into this

more deeply, though. but that actually sounds like a major positive, but only if it actually changes live streamers habits. Because if they continue to just embed the original content into what they claim is their content, then there will be no revenue share

and it's going to continue to be a problem. Live creator matchmaking is supposed to simplify co-streaming by allowing streamers to enter a quick match queue to let YouTubers automatically pair with similar creators. I mean, this is stuff that like is, has got to be live meta stuff that I just don't get because we don't really live. Live showdown is essentially like the TikTok battles system where viewers send chats, gifts and super chats to push their creator score forward on screen in real time.

What? So they compete to give more money to the creator that they want to win. Oh, it's just Twitch train things, whatever they call hype trains. Okay. And then live auto dubbing. It's coming in early 2027, which will automatically translate live broadcast. The viewers can listen along in their. preferred language.

Sure. There's a few viewer features. Short series. Shorts can now be grouped into seasons and episodes. That could actually be a benefit for viewers. So for like, I think microdramas is a big thing. Apparently they can be watched sequentially as well. Like as you're scrolling, each one will come up. Ask YouTube is getting a shopping feature.

Let lets you receive organized video recommendations such as a comparison table that includes product attributes and categories based on your preference. Great. So fewer reasons to actually watch the videos. That's good. YouTube will also be supporting GIF comments. Okay, one step closer to video responses, I guess. Let's go.

And that was supported by Billy Billy. And then finally, YouTube announces custom feeds, a way for users to build their own algorithm with AI and hookers. It's powered by Gemini, and users can either write a short or a long description of what they want to see, what to exclude, and what to prioritize. Each custom feed gets its own tab,

that's pinned at the top of your homepage. A wired writer tested out the feature asking to see gooey macaroni and cheese recipe videos, Caleb Heronin clip compilations, and Crystal Singing Bowl videos under 15 minutes, and according to them, the feed it generated was exactly that. Custom feeds are currently starting with a US-only rollout for now.

Let's move on. I think I've talked about this as much as I possibly can. There was a question of what custom feed would you want. You know, this would okay, this would be kind of a hack. Because normally I open YouTube to find

something specific. I need a guide for X. Like I am one of those freaks who still uses search. And what often happens to me is it'll have some legendary badminton clip of like Li Chong Wei playing

someone or whatever or something. And I'll like, I'll click the damn thing. And then now I'm doing something other than what I was supposed to be doing. So you get ADD maxed. So here's a crazy idea.

What if I intentionally made my homepage stuff that I'm completely not interested in? So I make it like butterflies and like slime videos and then I can just ignore it every time I see it. I feel like that's probably the first thing I would do with it. Brilliant. Brilliant. Brett Jigges says it would be cool if Linus made a weird feed like his unhinged Facebook marketplace.

Okay, that's pretty smart too. But that would only, the Facebook marketplace one is only fun to me because it's real stuff I can actually buy. That's the fun part is that if I was feeling impulsive enough and I had enough money burning a hole in my pocket, I could put it in my house tomorrow. That's what's interesting. It's window shopping. To me, YouTube videos are not something I window shop. I don't know if, uh,

I don't think this would even work. But I, I, I've been really enjoying, like a, like a handful of creators lately. And I think one of the buckets I'd put them in is like low cortisol content. Hmm.

Some more chill. Yeah. Chill vibes. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I can be more chill today. Is this better?

No. I did something in my brain does not like it when you talk. like that. Get a little closer to the mic. It's throwing me all. Because then it'll go near field. Just do the rest of the show like this. No.

I'd like to talk about GTA6 special edition. I'm so upset. I hate this. What about it, Linus? Well, the Rockstar store is taking pre-orders. This is terrible. Specifically raising my cortisol. It's for a $400

premium collector's box. But the box doesn't include GTA6. That doesn't sound very premium, does it, Linus? No, and not having GTA 6 in a GTA 6 is kind of like not having corn flakes in a box of corn flakes. I love corn flakes. But it does. It makes such a tasty, crunchy sound. But it does have a copy of Boggle.

Now, you said you had a hot take on this. I do have a hot take on this. I already know what your hot take is. Okay, you know what? Hold on. Can I write it? Can I write it? Sure.

Let's do the thing. I wonder if it's going to be... I wouldn't say low, but lower than normal confidence that you'll get this one. I was typing for a while, so maybe he will get it. Okay. Go for it. First of all, we're all acting like... No, no, don't read it.

First of all, we're all acting like this as a first. This has been happening for a long time. Not just with GTA. Tons of different games. The collector's edition of not coming with the... game itself. The reason why they've been doing that is because they don't have to make a bunch of individual ones for all the different consoles and PC and everything else.

They just make one collector's edition and then you buy the game on whatever you want it on. And then I don't remember my second point for some reason. Yeah, I think my second point is kind of that I just, I don't actually care. I saw a lot of people flip out over this and it's like, whatever. I didn't get it No what yeah what was it You should I forgot to buy it anyways

It costs hundreds of millions To make what I can't see but yeah Yeah yeah Okay well yeah completely I think that was like implied So like you still kind of got it Like okay but seriously

Yeah I think the kind of second part of my point of like I don't care was more or less If you're spending 400 US dollars. It's only because you just were going to give them an unlimited amount of money anyway, they might as well milk you. Yeah. Go be milked. Yeah. So you effectively got it.

But I just like, this is genuinely been happening with collectors editions for a long time. The primary reason was because they generally make a fixed amount of collectors editions. And then they have to try to divide it up amongst PC, PlayStation, Xbox, all that other kind of stuff. And it's really annoying. And it's pretty common that like one of them will have a bunch of versions left and the other ones don't. The sure as heck won't be a PC one. But like it's and another thing that would happen too is people would buy, like people would have an Xbox by the PlayStation one because the Xbox ones were sold out or more realistically the other way around. They would then have to try to flip the key that's inside.

Buy it anyways. Yep. And then like try to, I don't know, you don't get the cool stuff in game because you just sold that key, I guess. Let's just streamline it. Yeah. And you sheep were going to buy it anyway. 100%. They might as well take your money.

Yep. Yeah. It also makes it so that like if they end up selling the collector's edition later, people could have bought in on the pre-order right away or or, you know, vice versa. Yeah. Like I actually kind of think it makes a lot of sense. And I don't really know why people are so upset about it either. If you were going to spend $400 on like some glasses in a freaking sling bag or and some

stickers, as far as I can tell it's like everything that's in there, then you can afford the game, bro. I don't understand being upset about something that you so don't need. And is incredibly solvable. They are not stopping you from buying the game. Yeah. It was confusing when it first started happening. It first started happening, I think, like a decade ago. All right.

Like yeah, the Halo helmet The Halo helmet that you lifted off the stand And the game was inside the helmet That was pretty sick You would have bought that If it didn't have the game in it You would have just bought that and the game Tell me I'm wrong

I don't believe you You didn't even wait for me to tell you you were wrong I wouldn't have believed you There's no shot Oh no All right I think if anything I think it's kind of nice Because the I've gone in for

collector's editions a few times, and it's been annoying. As a PC player, that usually the ones that are available are console locked. And it's like, well, I don't want this freaking thing. Right. I'd rather give you the same amount of money and not have a console game that I can flip. Ideally, the price comes down.

I can see why people are mad that... But it was never going to be the same amount of money. That micro transactions have become macro transactions. It was never going to be the same amount of money. I get it. I get why people are mad, but I guess to me, it's just it's just really not that hard to not buy it. Rockstar was going to unabashedly charge even more for this.

I guarantee it. If it had to include the game, they would have happily charged more for this. What is the most you think that Rockstar could have charged for this and still sold out? For this in particular, Kay, let's see what you get. You get a... I don't even know what to say about that. You get a little gator figurine.

Uh-huh. I love as well when collectors editions come with some figurine like this. Yeah. That is something, I mean, maybe I didn't play enough GTA 5, but like, I don't recognize this character. So it's probably some like weird one-off side character from the game that you haven't played yet and you're buying a collector's edition. It's like, what?

Anyways, glasses. Mike, Mike. Dem some basic looking glasses. Mike hairs are currently completely zero. Okay. They say Vice City on them? Okay, sure. Is the new game in Vice City?

Yep. Okay. A fanny pack? That is a cheap-looking fanny pack. I'm assuming this is like Velcroble sticker things, or not stickers, you know what I mean? Does have a YKK zipper pole,

so at least they like spent money on that. A hat? That's a cool hat. Sure. A magnetic mirror. Reflect on your life choices. The self-awareness is so high here. On rock stars part, not the people buying this stuff.

Holy! Just a shot glass? Yeah. Swizzle spoon? Okay. Dan, is this drugs? Why would you ask Dan? Depends on the size of the spoon.

That's what I thought immediately. You ask why I asked Dan. Listen, just keep scrolling. Let's ignore this. of razor brain chain Dead Dad is this for drugs I'm also experienced

I have tips Um An enamel pin set In a metal tin So you get nine of them Some stickers Imagine Imagine putting those stickers on anything

I bet nobody does. A souvenir poster map. $40 stickers. So if you want the cool map that used to come with the game for free, you now have to buy a $400 U.S. dollar collector's edition to get it. I'm assuming the game doesn't have any more. That's it. And that's it. And that's the money. And that's why I think they would have had no problem charging you $100 more if they included the game. Yeah. So I don't think that's a relevant thing. I think they could have gone as high as like $5.99 on that. I think they could have gotten away with it and still not had the game in it. And I think people just

would have bought it. I think it really comes down to how many of these they made. CatOS, you're not. It's not worth $75. Like, just the fact that there's like Oakley sunglasses in there at all is like more than $75. Like you got to, look, I'm not going to say it's worth $400, but we've also got to be somewhat realistic. All right.

We are apparently speaking of buying stuff that hopefully is worth the money that you pay for it. We are supposed to do the CW announcements. Now listen, I know at the beginning of September, I said, hey, look at this cool new concept we have, where instead of launching one product every week, we're going to do like a huge drop in a given month and slow down on the like weekly launches. Well, apparently we didn't do that at all because the apparel team is absolutely cooking with gas lately. What? Cat O-S. I don't know what Oakley's are. So they're, They're a brand. They're owned by Esler Luxottica.

They charge money for their stuff. Um, okay, cool. Anyway, we've got... That explains why you thought it was going to be so cheap. Yeah. Uh, do you want to fire up the store? Yes. Dude, do we ever have some drops for you guys this week?

The tech sling is a smaller carry option for your everyday tech when you don't need to bring an entire backpack with you. It has a dedicated space. For your handheld gaming device, it accommodates the Steam deck and similar sized devices, plus it has a padded back panel to give your gear some extra protection. The inside also has a sectional organizer

that can be completely removed, so you can keep the compartments when you wanna stay organized, or you can take it out when you just need a big open space. As always, YKK zippers in all the places, we've got little pouches in there, we've got, this is like, sorry, this would be the loop side of hook and loop. So if you wanted to put some hooky things in there,

then you could do that. There's a, there you go. RFID blocking inner pocket right here. If you want to use it for, you know, going out for the day when you're traveling. We've also got kind of a little sort of mini tech sack inspired organizer here with some various zipper and less zipper pockets. Got our little penholder here.

And then just to show you guys kind of how it works. So we got some pictures on the site of, what it looks like with different devices. Yeah. Yeah, cool. We don't say it explicitly in my notes here, but... Here, do you want to zoom a bit so that people can see? There you go.

So that's what it looks like. It's got... Again, not Velcro, hook and loop. It's got hook and loop that can be reconfigured according to the size of the device that you need to put into it to make it a nice snug. fit. Um, so you can see it right there with either a switch to or with a steam deck and it's just kind of stretched and and snugged out. If you're looking at what he just did and went like,

it would be way easier if he had a device in it when he tried to do that. Because then you're, you're literally just wrapping it around a device. Somebody had asked if it fits your Ioneo or if you had tried that. But if it's adjustable then it's adjustable. So maybe message support if you're not 100% sure. You're not, there we go. But the whole idea is basically that you can just You just pull the loop. Set it up to accommodate whatever it is that you need.

And then because it's hook and loop all over the inside, you just pop it in there, secure it in there, and boop. There it is with the switch two. There you go. And then...

You got an RFID blocking... I mentioned that. Pouch in the back. With the switch two, it can also accommodate an iPad mini, but I already took the switch two out, so I guess I'm not showing you guys that. So it can accommodate both at the same time.

And then if you have something bigger in bulkier. Man, guys, Matthew really cooked on this one. Getting something that could accommodate something as big as a steam deck and as skinny as a switch or a switch two while still offering padding accommodations for your joysticks, screen safe materials. It's a pretty cool product. Anyway, so I'll just pop that in there. Boop. And boop. And there it is. There it is with a steam deck.

Cool, right? Yeah. Also. It also fits one that we didn't do a demo of, which is a 40 ounce water bottle. Okay, that's crazy. If you want to just toss that in there. You can. I don't think people are going to buy this to carry a primary use case.

A water bottle, but yeah, it'll fit. But just for reference for size, really. In other news, finally. After all these years. Hey, Dan, can I borrow? You have an OG bag, right? Are you on the commuter? Can I borrow your OG bag?

Okay. When we were developing this product and when we launched it, we talked about... Thank you, sir. How we went and put... Ah, here we go. These little, like, kind of webbing-inspired... Accessory loops. Loops.

Here, here. Here, and also here. With the idea being that we would develop accessories to perhaps... one day attached to them. It's been 83 years, but finally, we have the wireless earbuds carrying case. It's just a cute little bag.

It fits your AirPods or your other wireless. I know someone who's been product demoing this for quite some time. Mr. Sean Caldera, and he uses them for tons of different stuff. I know we advertise them as headphone case, but he uses them for like cables and lots of other.

things. Do you want to pull up the, pull up the site? Got it already. You can show people how the attachment mechanism works. Basically, yeah, there you go. That's a really good shot. So there's a couple different ways that it can attach. Thank you, Dan.

Either through the little carabiner loop, or if you wanted to, full dad style, put it on something like a belt or any other kind of strappy thing. It's got one of these nice little click-in-to-place things that then has a nice little release. so you can carry whatever you want in it. Subtle branding. It's finally here. And it's a molly clip. That's what it's called.

Thank you. Thank you for having that in the notes. And then finally, we're bringing back the RGB Beanie. Now available in two fun new colors, navy and off white, and in short and regular fits, depending on whether you want

a more sort of snug or a more slouchy look. It's a multi-napped yarn with little flex of color woven throughout. Actually, you might want go to the site for this one as well. Sure, I want to show one quick thing before I switched, which is that you can remove the carabiner portion if you're just using the molly clip.

So you can take that off so it's not dangling being annoying. And I also want to show you an incredibly legendary photo. That was at the very end. I was just like, holy crap, the swag of this is incredible. I just wanted to make sure everyone saw that. And then now I can go to this is me doing being bad. New arrivals. Okay. There it is. Yeah, so just get a close up. Yeah, there you go.

So you can see the little bit of fun, fun color that's woven into it. And there you can also see the two kind of different sizes there as well. All right. So that's it. So now's as good a time as any. LMG.g.g.g slash sept drop, like sept,

SEPT, like September, sept drop to send in a checkout message. So if you haven't been, paying attention, hype trains, Twitch bits, superchats, those are not the way to interact with the WAN show. We will by all means take your money. Feel free to throw your money at the screen. We just feel that when you're done throwing your money at the screen, you should get some pretty exciting hype new products in return rather than just acknowledgement. But we can do acknowledgement too. So all you got to do is head over to our website, LTTStore.com. That's also our

website, LTTLabs.com. But specifically this one, go ahead and add any of these, new items or anything else from our September drop into your cart. When you're in the checkout, you'll get a chance to send a message. That will go to producer Dan. There he is. Who will pop it up on screen, like that one that just popped up there. Or he'll reply to it, or he will curate it for me and Luke to respond to. Why don't we do a couple of comms right now?

And we'll show you guys how it works. Sure. I've got a bunch here already. Hey, wan. DL, would an RGB edition of the true spec cable be something in the future, like different colors outside of just blacks. I would love to do other colors right now. Our primary concern is that we are at the manufacturing capacity of our cable manufacturer.

In fact, they have quite significantly increased their manufacturing capacity in order to accommodate us and our ongoing orders for those cables, as well as the development of other cables that we want to do. So we are in the weeds on HTML, displayport, angled connectors. HTML display port would be real nice. I was dealing with one of those problems a week or so ago, had a bunch of cables, even from some quite reputable brands, but that just had no labeling on it at all. Couldn't figure what was going on.

Yeah, it's pretty frustrating. We're also, I have asked the team to explore having like a very complete offering, even including going back to microbe. Whoa. USBB as well. Whoa. Because like docs is a great example of products that need a high quality B cable. Old audio equipment.

I have a bunch of old audio equipment that's USBB. I know they're against the spec, so I haven't 100% settled on this. But extensions are another one that I feel like. True spec rebel. I feel like we have to do. Because I was running into some really annoying issues with my Z-Wave stick. So it turns out that it's like a well-known issue that you're supposed to use a USB 2 extension in order to get it away from your rear I.O where the high-frequency USB 3 can cause interference with Z-Wave and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, the point is I was trying to find a decent shielded extension, and I just was having a heck of a time. And so fine, I'll just, I'll make it myself then. Yeah, I feel like you can have kind of like a subline of products that are like, there is no spec for this. Well, yeah, I'm on the fence about it because the whole idea of true spec is that it is the spec. And the first thing people are going to do when you make an extension is they're going to plug another cable into it. And as soon as they do that, you're well-being. what they're rated for and they're gonna have a bad time and now it's our fault True spec rebel dude I'll think about it I think it's sick I think it's wicked also I would get

USB a to be like USB 2 a to be I would probably get a couple of those yeah because there's there are still multiple things I use that are like that and hunting for one of those old cables is a nightmare and hubs hubs are another one are very common hubs and docks yeah And stuff like old hubs and old audio equipment, like, they're probably still fine. Mm-hmm. You don't need a new one. Oh, dude, audio equipment. Damn cable.

It's a great example of something that I would want to use a true spec cable for. Not because it'll make your bits sound better. It's not about that. I need one so badly. If I look at mine incorrectly, it disconnects from the computer. And I, you know, if you touch it, if you breathe on it, it disconnects. And it's very irritating. Yeah.

So we're going to. So between all of those things, different colors of she-thing are pretty low on the list of priorities. Yeah. And once we have dramatically expanded the lineup of cables, you know, once we've got 150, 250 skews, the second you add another color. Why not 500 skews? Yeah, well, I can think of reasons. That's fine. So for now, you can have them in any color you want, as long as it's black.

Thank you, Mr. Ford. Hi, DLL. I vibe-coded a Parsec host for Linux works with their client for myself, but I'm torn about releasing it due to the ethics and stigma around reverse-engineered slash vibe-coded software. Thoughts? Wow. I feel like we could talk about this for a while.

I don't think there's a right answer. I think there's a personal answer. And it also depends on how exactly you're planning to do it. Like I would have, I can tell you right now, I wouldn't use it. I would have a lot of discomfort around using anything to do with my data or screen capture. that I just sort of randomly downloaded. I actually had someone reach out by email telling me about a really cool tool that they're working on, not a vibe-coded project, but just related to this for reasons I'll get to in a moment,

that was designed to finally fix once and for all file transfer speeds. Just over, you know, because everyone's seen it, right? You've got a 10-gig network connection, and you're transferring files at like, you know, 350 megabytes a second. What are we doing here? like how is this not you know solved how is this not just you know built into windows and and and and and and true naz how do they not just handshake and just transfer the damn files um and so they were they were originally you know telling me oh yeah i was going to do it like as open source i was going to do this i was going to do that but now i'm thinking i want to do it like paid with a subscription and i was like cool that's nice um good luck pretty much because like i'm not going to i'm not going to use that i i have no interest in a file transfer software from a random that you're asking money for that is not going to be like community code audited. And they even offered to send the source code like to us to, but like what?

I'm going to read it. Like I'm, no. And like the whole point of something, you know, being developed out in the open is that you get more than one pair of eyes on it, ideally, assuming that it's something that actually builds any momentum. And so coming back to this, like if you haven't baked anything, you know, any malware or anything nasty into it,

then, you know, that's great. That's something cool. You can by all means throw it out there. But don't be surprised if there is some backlash because... I don't think there's going to be much backlash. Really? That's my hot take on this.

Let's hear it. If you release it openly, if you communicate clearly about what it is, and if you don't, try to be all like, well, I made it, and I'm going to charge you for it. Or I made it and I'm going to put it under some crazy license limiting you from doing things. If you just put it on the most open license you possibly can. And because, I mean, an AI made it, meaning basically no one owns anything, which is the same thing as art. And you just let it out there. Then it is what it is. I would

maybe prepare yourself and not sign up for maintaining it for everybody because you won't know how if you vibe coded it yeah so I mean you could you could just add even more vibe coding stuff our slash self-hosted hates any vibe quoted project which is funny because people even before AI have always made terrible software the difference is a random comment in full paint chat okay there's you're not yeah I mean I'm in your camp, I would not run this. But I might see that and go, oh, okay, and make my own. Because to me, it's information. I see that as, oh, this is possible. I never thought about making

your own connector for Parsec. I would not have assumed that was a thing that would work. But like, oh, okay, I can actually do that. Yeah, I'll make my own. Thanks for the, thanks for the. Man, is that a fragmented future that is we really want? Oh, it's the fragmented. future we're going to have. I know, but is that what we want? I don't know if it's what we want, but I can pretty much guarantee you we're going to have it. Getting used to it now, old man. The amount of one-off personal software.

Oh, wait. I don't think we've talked about this. You have no idea. You have no clue. It's doing the thing again. It sure is, and it probably should. Wow, there are YouTubers making video editors for themselves. Oh, that should not surprise me at all.

themselves that is working better for them than Premiere. And a big part of the reason why is in a lot of these cases, they have very specific ways that they edit their videos. Yeah, you're going to have very specific footage formats that come in. They have very specific formats. Very specific ones they need to output. They don't need all that other croft. Yep.

There, I know multiple people at this point that have made their own financial management software. Right. Where it takes information from their bank accounts and their credit cards. and brings it all in and analyzes their spending for them and gives them information on how well they're doing and where they should pull back and all this other type of stuff. See, I married mine. They feel like they can trust that more, which is interesting because it's self-hosted. It's their own thing.

And because they made it, they feel like it's less likely. You know how a bunch of credit card companies will be like, oh, yeah. and we have like financial planning and like warnings enabled in our thing but you know what their motivation is yeah so now the motivation for this thing is i don't know it's vibe code whatever you tell it i made it myself and i'm going to tell it what i want to happen and it'll work that way um it's there is a massive wave of one-off just made for me vibe coded software happening already right now that is already a thing we are already you talked about like you talked about like you're is the future fragmented software?

And it's like, no, the now is fragmented software. It's already happening. Oh, man. So how do you, oh. Uh-huh. Because, like, there's no, like, the knock-on effects are impossible for us to fully comprehend today. Oh, and the security problems are mind-blowing. Like, there's, like, there's already, I wasn't even, I'm not even thinking from like a software architecture standpoint,

because that's not my problem. Sure. I have a department of people that worries about that. Like my, I'm looking at it going, okay, so what is your career mobility if you learn to, if you learn to video edit in, you know, John Sweet? You know what I mean? Like, you get what I mean. Like, I go to hire someone to join our company where we use. I only know Temple OS.

Okay. Here's a counter. You know, what does that do to your resume if you spend three years editing on some like vibe-coded edit software and you come into, and now we're using Linus Cut? Like what? But here's a, here's a counter. Would you be using Linus Cut? Or would you be using individual versions for each person? Yeah, just bring your copy of John Sweet to the next job.

Okay. What happens if, what happens if Emily, you know, uh, is sick on Friday, and her video needs to be finished by Peter. Tough luck. Get f***ed Peter, basically? Maybe. Are we robbing from Peter to pay? Or he, Peter needs to...

San Alman? Hey, hey, please, AI, please adapt this thing. Please let me continue editing it. Maybe. Who knows? I'm not buying credits for that. You don't know what you're buying credits for. Boy, this is true.

People going type. No, Luke, no. It's not me, bro. I'm telling you what's happening. Not that I am doing it myself. These are all Luke's real thoughts. And this is how our company functions. I told everyone globally to do this.

It's me. It's purely my fault. I will take this. You and my girl, Taylor. It's me. Hi. I'm the problem. It's me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's a huge thing. It's a huge deal. I mean, we were, it's interesting to me, we were just talking about this with home automation stuff. You're literally doing this yourself. Dude, okay, you know how I've shown you in the past, how limited my interactions are with, like, the various AIs in my life?

Yeah. Hold on, hold on. Now that I've been just like diving headfirst into home automation, this is this is what my Gemini history looks like. Like and and that doesn't even include a lot of the stuff from like the last week or so because I was hanging out with Stephen and Lucas from the lab and we finally got my local LOM machine working. So I so like some of the stuff that basically Odysseus is a wonderful. idea and its vibe-codedness did not work very well for my particular hardware on my particular operating system or a couple other operating systems I tried and some other hardware I tried. Cookbook is a really cool idea in theory, but in practice compared to LM Studio, where I just

like, was like, here's my hardware and it just immediately configures it perfectly. I have noticed that Odysseus has lost a lot of its traction since it launched. Yeah, but there's like, there's still cool things in it. Yeah, cookbook is really cool. Yeah, it's a cool idea. Yeah. Too bad it, like, didn't work at all. Yeah.

For me, for me. And like, it was driving me nuts because I went with it because, A, you know, it's PewDiePie, right? Like, so there's, if I, if I, I was thinking from like a video angle standpoint, I tried, you know, PewDie Pied's AI thing. So that was reason number one. And then reason number two was that it's supposed to be the like brain dead simple, just, you know, for nobs one. Generally positioned like that. And so I was like, let's see just how noob friendly it was.

The answer was not very. It ended up involving a lot of tomfoolery in order to get it to do anything. So, Fire Panda Sasquatch said Gemini is the worst AI right now too, L.O. And I kind of... I don't agree. Chat GPT has been worse for me than Gemini. First, like, not even close.

I find the hallucinations that Gemini has have been nuts. So for what I've been doing, it's been like practically, like, I was about 50-50, OpenAI and Gemini. So maybe part of it is that Google gave me like a year of some elevated Gemini. Oh, are you just on basic chat, open free chat, GBT? No, I paid for it for a while and it wasn't much better. So I canceled it. Weird. So between the, I was 50-50 between the two of them, kind of benchmarking them between each other.

And Gemini, like, I would waste like 45 minutes in Gemini and then chat GP, or in chat GPD, and then Gemini would one-shot it. And just tell me exactly what I needed to do. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, and like, to be clear, I'm doing something very specific. I'm just getting help with home assistant. Like, almost all of them.

this is just this boiler network IP setup this home assistant integration for an alarm system this issue with these sensor templates this custom hacks integration for my robot vacuum this like it's all just like yeah I find like the and I haven't tested you know your use case or specifically home assistant or whatever else so you might be totally right and who cares One of the things with, like, is this AI model better than the other one is that's a very tough thing to conclusively answer. Yeah. So, I don't know. I just know that I've seen some of the hallucinations that I've seen from Gemini, even up until now, are like the crazy stuff we were talking about last year, which a lot of other ones don't seem to be doing.

Like, it'll make a mistake and then just spam shame 700 times. I haven't seen that a single time in all of that. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's not that common. Yeah, okay. But you'll also see it more in its, like, thinking context. instead of what Ashley sends to the user, which is a little wild. The current flavor of the month seems to be collod.

But who knows? It'll be two months from now. Right now I have a free account for this one, and it's doing what I need it to do. Have you been messing around with... I haven't tried Codex. So you got local stuff working. Have you messed around with that much? Not enough yet.

Got it. So far, it's... just doing chatbot things for me. And I'm kind of like I'm still, like I still haven't, I haven't done much in terms of configuration and like hooks. Like I've got it searching the web now, but I got like almost immediately gated by duck, dot, go,

and it won't let me search anymore. So I guess I'm going to have to sign up for a paid search or I'm going to have to like get more API access to duck, dot go somehow, however you do that. I still have not, not even done a Google search for how to do that yet. I'm sure it's not complicated, but what I've what I've been spending most of my time on is now that I have a now that I have a model running at all, the thing I'm trying to do, because for me it's about accomplishing

something. I'm not just trying to hook as many things into it and run as many models as I can and then sort of imagine something to do with it. I'm coming at it with a very specific goal. My goal is home automations and using a multimodal model that I can interact with the natural language and also give images to so that it can activate or deactivate various home automations. That's the goal. And so what I'm still working on is actually more of the home assistant stuff and more of the hexOS software that I need running on my server in order to act as a, as a traffic controller for all of that because like say for instance I want it to play a particular playlist when a particular person comes in okay so I need to make sure that I have my integration working for ubiquity which involved a whole thing where I had to figure out like API key access

because they don't just do username and password in the RTMP stream or RTSP whichever one it is they don't do it that way anymore so I had to figure that out and then I had to figure out how to have that work over like the secure like better version of it and then I had to figure out how to get that actually integrated into home assistant then I needed all the entities to actually flag when there's a person then what I learned is actually that's not the best way to do it what I really need is frigate so that I can have a particular frame so that oh by the way I need to get a bunch of reference frames okay so where am I going to store those and so I'm still kind of in the weeds of like okay how do I create this flow where the camera because I have kind of older ubiquity cameras um

They offered to send me newer ones, the G6s that have way more edge AI built into them, so that you can, like, I think they have a much greater breadth of things that they can recognize and that they can trigger events with. But I have the older G4 pros. and honestly, I was a little more interested in retrofitting. Like, I'm way more interested in leaving my existing cameras, even if they have crappier sensors, but then like bolting on like this AI processing. So pretty much what I want it to do is, okay, that's a person, grab that, capture that, send that over, do the analysis,

and then feed that back into home assistant and trigger some kind of an automation. I'm still finding very little time to work on it unfortunately life is busy I have three kids I run a company I thought that unfortunately there's there's just like

you know I got stuff going on and I know man like the lighting automations basically I have relearned how to do it probably half a dozen different times and every time I re-learned how to do a lighting automation I realized that every room

that I had worked on up until then was absolute garbage and needed to be thrown away. And I'm finding it's exactly the same with anything to do with LLMs and local AI is that I'm just trying to, on as accelerated a path as I can, learn it as many wrong ways as I need to before I get to a way that is more right

and then by next week there will be a righter way to do it anyway. And I'm just having fun. Yeah. I think that's for me the most important part. That's why I shrugged and said basically it's not bad that it's taking a well because like who cares? Yeah.

Having fun with it. That's sick. Rod Rosenberg, the man, said AI key is a nice boost to detections in G4 cameras. Yeah, I asked them about that and they were like, yes, that would work. By the way, do you want to just get some G6s? They never told me if I was buying them or if they were sending them.

I didn't ask. I was like, I'm going to try and I want to do the clunky version, but I might pick up an AI key. Yeah, it's just, it's a, little accessory that you can add to a ubiquity NVR system. Here, I'm going to see AI key. See if I can find it. Yeah, here it is.

It's not cheap. It's like a grand. But when you compare that to like, you know, building an AI compute box and bolting that on, obviously this is a great deal. But I think it gets it pretty much up to what the G6s do, is my understanding. Even then, though, like, 1800 smart detections per hour. It's not even like that much. I don't know if you can have multiples of them either like I have not looked into it enough Good Lord. It has 16 gigs of RAM honestly. It seems like a pretty good deal for a grand given the pricing of everything right now

I hate that that is the first thing I think of when I see that though So yeah speaking of AI I did hear about the comma AI investigations. There's like a half a dozen or so Yes bad, bad traffic incidents around AI devices. I think with any autonomous vehicle thing there's going to be some

some bad stuff that happens and hopefully hopefully they can address it in a constructive way and move forward. Oh, this person's joking. I want to check it out. Oh, yeah. What's up? Uh, there's a, there's a memory surcharge. Did you see that? No.

So, with the surcharge included, it's an extra hundred. 90. Why don't they just say 1235? Yeah, I don't know. So like if you, if you add it to your card, it says 1235. That's crazy. Ah, ubiquity. Generally, you guys are like pretty chill, but that's, I don't like that. Okay, you know, okay, hold on. I genuinely thought the person in the comments was kidding. I don't even remember the person's name because I just immediately went to go do it.

Okay. Hold on. I can kind of see where they're coming from. Hyro Pinky. You know what? Counterpoint. I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one. Ubiquity wants to look forward to a time when that is actually the MSRP and when sanity returns to the market, they're, they are foreshadowing that they have an intention to actually bring the pricing back down to that.

That's the good faith interpretation of it, is that instead of just raising. the prices like they did on bread and then just leaving them there. They're like, this is temporary. That's the, that's the good faith sort of best intentions interpretation. Do I know that that's actually true? No. But I could at least see, I could see a positive interpretation of it. Yeah, if that's the goal, then sure, I think they can communicate it better.

Like if the fine text could be, this is the original price without the, or charge included instead of the fine text being it's not that fine the smaller text i don't want to call it fine text that's that that is not fair the smaller text being like oh this is what the real price is the real price should still be the biggest text the small text could be yeah defining that the price is different because of memory stuff oh they fixed it i was uh i was going to hold on sort by No, I can't find it. They fixed it. I was going to say, well, it could be worse.

It could be the Dell outlet. I found a machine on the Dell outlet yesterday, I think it was, that had a negative $1,000 savings. So it was priced $1,000 more than the original price. But I cannot find that anymore right now. Negative $1,000 in savings. Whoa. Who could resist it? I did screenshot it already, though.

So it will be in the video that I'm, that I was doing about shopping on the Dell outlet. But, uh, man, I wonder if, uh, I actually had a conversation with, um, our Dell rep today. And I told them I was working on a video on the outlet. I wonder if somebody went onto the outlet and was like, uh, we should make sure there's nothing stupid on here. And I wonder if they found it. I'm really glad I screenshot it because this is so funny. Oh no, I found one. I found one. Here we go.

The Alienware 16X Aurora Gaming Laptop. Estimated value, 2178. Today's price, 2317. Total savings, negative $139. The stupidest part is even at this price, it's honestly not that bad of a deal. 24 core processor, 32 gigs RAM, RTS-50-TI mobile. Yeah, so the video is basically going to be like, hey, there's some deals on the Dell outlet. You might want to keep an eye on it if you're trying to get your hands on a decent machine at a decent price.

Not everything makes sense. Don't buy the one that's a negative $1,000 discount, but there's some stuff that looks pretty compelling. All right, you want to pick one? Yeah. Raspberry Pi, locking down RAM capacities in firmware. Raspberry Pi engineer Phil E. told users the move is meant to prevent resellers from taking a low-capacity board, desoldering the RAM, replacing it with a substandard part, and reselling the device for a profit.

Why specifically low-capacity board? Anyways, whatever. Yeah, because it's the cheapest way to get a board. Because you wouldn't upgrade a high-capacity board. Preventing resellers from taking a low-capacity board, deserting the RAM, replacing it with a substandard part. Yeah, but like higher capacity potentially so that you could so that you could sell it as like that. Yeah. You're probably right. That's what you would do.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Reselling the device for a profit. On top of the memory capacity, the firmware locks also tracks some other device attributes. So even swapping memory chips of the same capacity may not work. And the measure has been in place since late 2024 before RAM prices skyrocketed due to the data center boom. Some in the pie communities say the locks go against the tinkering.

spirit of the Raspberry Pi community. Kind of wild that we only noticed this two years later, I guess, maybe. I don't know. I think this is missing some context, so maybe that's not the case. With Jeff Geerling, suggesting a one-time warranty bit could have been a better approach, basically voiding your warranty if you do

some type of upgrade or change like this, but not blocking you from doing said upgrade. Now, here's my question. Why do we go so hard at Apple for what is, as far as I can tell, fundamentally the same behavior. Well, I think people are going.

But then are we going? I have felt like people didn't go quite as hard at... Raspberry pie. Yeah, is that what the company's even called? They got acquired a while back, so I'm trying to remember who actually owns them now. I have no idea. I can't remember. Who owns Raspberry Pi?

Your grandma? What a weird thing to know? Publicly traded a company. Raspberry Pi Holdings. Supremo? Institutional investors include Arm Holdings and Lansdowne partners. But the original educational charity

still owns a major stake in the commercial entity. So according to AI, it's its own company still. So yeah, Raspberry Pi Holdings. I feel like... SBC Supremo is a media nickname used to describe Raspberry Pi. Single board computer Supremo.

Okay. Cool. I feel like when it was Apple, We were a lot less open to this kind of rationale for it. Right? Like the response was basically, F you, don't interfere with me changing my screen, changing my, whatever. I don't know if anyone has accepted the rationale, to be clear. I feel like I have seen some acceptance of it.

Oh. Like even just the more constructive dialogue around like, well, hey, what if you avoided my warranty instead? Ah, okay. rather than just like Open rebellion How dare you? You're the worst, you're evil I think I think Crystal said it

Basically pie is Tiny And and thus like I mean you didn't know the parent company I mean the parent company Includes arm So like Compared to comparatively to Apple

It's also very non-normy They're also a publicly traded company They're literally a publicly traded company They're literally a publicly traded company that IPOed at a valuation of $690 million. Like, they'd be a real, they'd be a real company at this point. I don't know, man. I think they're not at the same ire level as an Apple, though.

Yeah, yeah, I guess that's fair. But on the flip side, okay, flip side, I feel like the potential societal liability of iPhones being able to be scammed in this way is actually way higher. So the potential damage that can be done by allowing people to willy-nilly swap RAM and storage chips and screens, harvest out the authentic parts

and put in cheap knock-off parts and sell them is actually way higher. So the stakes are much higher for Apple. I mean, I was trying to figure out, I was like noodling on this because I was reading, this is like years ago at this point, but I was reading about how, like, in London,

like just moped by phone thefts are such a huge thing. And I was like, you know, why? Because everything's, you know, locked down. It's encrypted, accounts, blah, blah, blah. Like, Android, sure. But, like, iPhones, it's, find my, has been a thing forever. And it was like, adoy authentic storage chips, RAM chips. You can take useful parts off of these boards,

use them to repair broken phones that you source for next to nothing, and then you can sell them for way more. Of course. Screens, batteries. You can pull all this stuff out of there. So if it's not paired to the SOC, then it's basically you're snatching spare parts, essentially, which still has a ton of value.

And so, like, I don't know. I'm a little torn because maybe it's because Apple kind of warmed me up to it, and now Raspberry Pi doesn't have to be the first one to tell me. Or maybe it's because Raspberry Pi is a smaller company, and they've generally been tinker-friendly. They have a history there. but I am more accepting of this excuse that they're fighting substandard counterfeit parts and they want to protect the brand and protect the user experience.

But flip side, like, dude, that sucks. These are supposed to be tinker-friendly hardware. That's like the whole point. Yeah, I'm trying to find like, yeah, I'm not seeing like, I don't know, maybe you saw other stuff. I'm not seeing people in the comments here being. you're okay with it, to be honest. By and large, the community seems pretty upset about it, but even just being willing to engage in any kind of constructive dialogue does feel different than when Apple pulled this

kind of stuff. That's probably true. Apparently, we're missing some amount of context from Jeff Geerling's quote, by the way. Some people in chat have qualified this, and after reading some comments around this topic, it makes sense to me. one of his caveats for the warranty bit wouldn't just be that you no longer have a warranty it's that it would also warn you on boot

that your device had been modified that makes a lot of sense to me I like that quite a bit would anybody have wanted that on an iPhone would we have accepted that back when we were having this conversation when Apple was first locking SOCs yeah was their thing locking SOCs

or was their thing making something Teeing SOCs to two screens and to batteries and to various other parts of the hardware. I don't know. I don't remember hearing that argument. It might have been an argument that was around. I just don't remember hearing it. But maybe part of it is just that we've had a lot longer to think about it. Also that, maybe that.

I don't know. I don't know. I think you've definitely got some, you know, there is a section of the community that will just get the horns out anytime Apple does anything. So there's, you know, there's something there. But not sure. Yeah. This is a really great point from Naitohan. Apple was keying parts that were common failures,

like batteries and screens, et cetera. And that's totally valid too. The whole, I guess the part that was a little surprising to me about all of this is that it seems like it's become a more nuanced conversation than just sieve right to repair, how dare you sieve? We're acknowledging now, at least, that hold on a second, there actually may have been some merit to... I wonder how often this is nefariously done. Like, maybe this is a common thing in the Raspberry Pi community, so people are also like a little frustrated about it.

Maybe. I have no idea. I literally don't know that. I mean, the biggest frustration I've seen from the Raspberry Pi community is that Raspberry Pi's aren't five bucks anymore. Yeah. That's the main complaint I've seen, too. Yeah. The cheap SBC is like not cheap.

I mean, I guess, you know, with the price of food, maybe it's in line with what raspberry pie costs now still. Dude, I was at Safeway. And you can buy, instead of, you know, buying a whole pie, they cut them in half and you buy half a pie now. It was like, it was the most in your face shrinkflation that I think I had. seen yet because usually they kind of try to hide it like they make it like a flatter package

that's like bigger from the front so it like it doesn't feel like you're buying so much less but there it was on the shelf at a price i might have expected to pay for a whole pie really not that long ago half a pie and i was like oh i don't actually think this is related but um when sammy and i were off shooting that video that i'm not going to go into detail of um there was the way we stopped for lunch. It went to this little lunch place that was near where we were filming. Yeah. And I got a soup and sandwich little combo. And when it showed up, it was a half of the sandwich. It was a club sandwich.

I was like, what are you doing? What do you do with the other half of the club sandwich? Who's getting that? Is there a cook in the back just nominate on half a club sandwich? Or like, what's happening? Would you blame them? There was like three customers in the store. The other people were already served. Like, this is going nowhere. What's, I know I wouldn't blame. It was actually very good. But like, I just, it was strange.

Meanwhile, meanwhile, I got very excited yesterday. A&W Canada has $5 teen burgers on right now. Whoa. So I bought two yesterday, ate them. I will probably buy more today. Um, it's been so long since I've paid $5 for a teen burger. And when you buy two, it's like, that is like a large meal for it is for 10 bucks. Man, when I was, when we were doing the reno and our kitchen was, 998 baby Yes Lettice wrapped Teen burgers

were like I had a lot of those Dude Teen Burger 499 That may be The best fast food deal That's out there right now In Canada I feel like

That's got to be true Yeah it's Canadian dollars So that's like 350 US or something like that And A&W Canada doesn't suck Like A&WUS Yeah it's completely different thing Yeah it's good food

Completely different For fast food For fast food It's not like the best burgers or whatever. No, no, no. It's like actual meat, you know, with real cheese and like fresh tomato and stuff. Like, it's good. Last Whale Land, you know, there's a lot of snacks floating around and stuff.

But my dad, my brother and I zipped off to go get lunch and we went to A&W. And it was like, oh, nice. Real food. Yeah. This is good. And fast. And fast. So we could go back to Whaleland.

I'm a big A&W. I'm a big A&W. Canada guy. I don't think this is in the dock but I think we have the new dates for the new whale land. Oh, do we know? Uh, I saw a picture of it. Yeah, I don't think it's in the dock, but there you go. All right, we'll see you there. November 28th to 29th, fall whale land, let's go. Let's go. Really good vibes at the last one. Yes. I only dropped by for a little bit because I was really busy that weekend, but I just, I heard it was just good vibes, no internet outages. So we're, every event just

yeah the last couple times the infra's been like ready and fine and then some like third party thing happens and it's like ah so this time just no third party thing happened and it was why and the layout the layout changed I think it's pretty sweet how it is

I kind of hope we stop changing it because I think it's pretty dialed in right now we'll see how that goes I mean with that said if the same people what brought you better layout if they come up with a better idea try to make it better or

sure I'll accept it. I mean, yeah. Where it's meant to be an evolving event. It's not meant to be static. Yeah. You know, it happens like four times a year. So the idea is not necessarily that people come to every single one,

although there are some people who do come to every single one. Yeah, there's some people that are like familiar phases. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Where it's just like Whaleands, just like the quarterly hang out with the ladies and gents. Yeah. And just like come hang out. And honestly, it's been, that part's been really cool.

So having that like that kind of like that anchor crowd, but also the like yeah, I'll come to you know one a year crowd. Yeah. It's a really good mix. It's been really cool. Yeah. Yeah. And like if you and your buddies are like we are we are like winter whale land attendees or whatever. That's cool. That's sweet. All right. This is going to sound crazy. But one of the things that I thought was kind of coolest from this week. came from meta. Oh, no. Oh, I know where you're going. Okay, sure. All right, I accept it. I figured it out. It's fine.

Meta this week announced a bunch of like purve glasses and like AI always listening to you stuff. Uh-huh. And then also like, this is a pretty cool, pedal. A first of its kind trans-oceanic subsea cable. I did not really. realize how invested meta was in like the actual physical infrastructure of the internet. It makes sense. They got to move all that purve data somehow.

Now that I think about it totally makes sense. Yep. But this is like very cool tech that like look, say what you say about meta. Think what you think about meta. If meta reached out and was like, Linus, we're going to give you some kind of access to like look at pedal or learn more about pedal, boots on the ground with pedal, we'll sponsor it, we'll do that. I'd be like, yes, Zuck.

That would be... The cable will run roughly 7,000 kilometers between the eastern United States and France's Atlantic Coast. It will enter service in 2029 and will carry, this is not a typo, one pet a bit per second. Wicked.

Wicked. One thousand terabits, which is apparently double what Meta's current best transatlantic cable and Jana does. The trick here is two core fiber from Sumatomo Electric. So instead of

adding more fiber strands, which makes the cable thicker and heavier, each hair-width strand has two separate light paths inside it. So pedals 24 fiber pairs behave like 48. According to Meta's engineering blog, the

signals in each core travel in opposite directions, which keeps interference between them so low that they describe it as nearly immeasurable. So important to note, this is not the same thing as running like multi-modes. This is like separate light paths along with

some kind of like I guess bi-directional tomfoolery that at those switching speeds, I just, I struggle to even begin to wrap my brain around. NEC is building the system and Orange is apparently handling

the French landing. Our discussion question here is meta says, that 99% of intercontinental traffic runs through cables like this. And I think they said something along the lines of like this one cable was enough to handle like 75% of communications between those two continents or something like that. Don't quote me on those numbers because that's not in my notes. I was just like reading about this separately because I was like this is really cool.

Some obscene amount of like communication between these two continents could be handled on this like one cable that's going into service in a couple of years. However, our discussion question, doesn't bother you at all that the biggest pipes across the Atlantic are increasingly owned by companies like META and Google rather than by governments, which is effectively publicly funded, or by telecoms who, you know, are supposed to be the neutral highway on which everything else runs, although in practice, I don't know if it's really worked out that way. I don't think I trust the telecoms

any more than I trust. Yeah, I don't know. That's a tough one. I just don't trust any of them. It's all zero. If it's, you know, at a certain point, it's just already at zero.

What else is going to happen? Can you not tempt the gods like that? They hate us enough. clearly. Yeah, like, do we, do we allow the trust bar, do we allow the number line that is the trust bar to go into negatives or not? I think it's just easier to think. I think they can go negative.

I think if you, I think if you have a positive belief that they will fuck you, then that would be negative trust. Or is that, or is that high trust? The integer overflows. No, it's like lawful evil. No. You know you are. confident in the fact that there...

No, the devil you know does not make the trust positive. If you... Threatlockers are going to have to change their annual summit. It's going to have to be negative trust world. That makes so much sense. Okay. If there's... If there's an evil guy named Stabman...

Stashers, stab man walks up to you holding a knife. You can have a very high amount of trust that Stabman is going to stab you. Yes, I would call that negative trust. A hundred percent. He's doing what he says he's going to do. It's high trust in a negative direction. So I trust him to be untrustworthy. It's an integer overflow and it goes below zero and then wraps around to be extremely high trust.

It's like the word, it's like the word great. So you got Alexander the Great and then you've got a great spaghetti. And they both mean noteworthy. Oh, no, I mean certain leaders. of countries are often defined as great leaders, but not, but not good. I mean, he decimated his own men. Okay. He's not exactly a nice guy. Yeah. He was actually the example that I used, like, talking to my kids about the difference between goodness and greatness. Sure. Okay. Yeah. It's like, yeah, so there was like a lot of like raping and pillaging and murdering in all of that greatness.

That's not good, you know, trying to try to have that conversation with them. stab man does what it says on the tin LXFN sent a Google review for your stab man Got what I didn't pay for Yeah so anywho But yeah it's so it's trust would be That they would do the thing that you think they're going to do Which is monitor everything you send over this pipe and steal it

They tell you they would do basically right so stab man He named himself stab man right He staves people And you accept that While he does stab people, he does, in fact, clear the line and make your life a little bit easier as long as you're not the one who gets stabbed. His motto is be evil. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So he's an evil guy that stabs people, and I trust him to be an evil guy that stabs people. Absolutely. It's not that it's good. I don't want Stabman to exist. Prompt, friendly service. I would prefer that I didn't wear Stabman glasses that tells Stabman potentially where his target is all the time. Yeah, you wouldn't give Stabman your live-loven. location on Snapchat, would you?

But if you're wearing the glasses, it gives other people's... But at least stab man says that if you give me your location, I will come and stab you. AJ in chat asks, how do you even steal a petabyte per second? A pet a bit per second of data. Hold on, I've got ideas. Okay, so have you ever heard of storing data in the moving data of the internet? Yes. Okay, hear me out, AJ. They just build more trans-oceanic.

cables and then all data is in flight at all times being stored in the movement of the data problem solved you're welcome ping fs baby thanks a j there's your new floatplane product oh dude ping fs speaking of float plane projects i had a meeting with a j today um yeah i guess it's time to tell you guys LISP is a go. We have the best internet. The logo for LISP should be you just grinning really widely with your braces on.

Yeah, so we've got a couple videos planned. One of them is going to be we're working with ubiquity to get some new gear for our racks here on-prem. And that is for two reasons.

One of it is to upgrade it. So we're going to be ubiquity through and through now, which I guess is convenient from a management standpoint. And then reason number two is that, and this was a cost reduction measure, if I recall correctly, right? The switches that were stealing from here for the Kolo rack,

we need those for the Kolo rack because they're more suitable for that purpose. Everything about this project is a cost reduction measure. I just mean there was a more baller version. of the equipment that we were going to acquire if I recall correctly. Oh yeah, but that's true for everything. Nice. The min-maxing AJ has done here is absurd.

I'm excited. So there's going to be two videos. There's going to be one where we put the new ubiquity gear into the rack here. And then there's going to be another video. We've got permission, we think, from the Kolo to go shoot inside our cage. So we're going to show you guys the servers. Is it locked? I'm pretty sure that's...

He seemed mostly sure today. Oh. So, but then... I don't know. AJ, don't take this the wrong way. Sometimes AJ can be sure and sound unsure. I think there are restrictions to how we do it and stuff. Oh, that's fine. We can't have anyone else's rack and blah, blah, blah, blah.

That's fine. He says, I'm pretty sure. Okay, so we can both be right. So anyway, the second video is going to be shooting at the Kolo showing, we'll also be building up one of the servers together because we don't have quite all of them done. So we'll be building one together. We'll be putting it in. We'll be showing the networking equipment that we're,

ripped out of our rack here. We'll be putting that in. And then we'll be talking through some of the like provisioning stuff that's going to have to happen because apparently like our, our dedicated routing from here to the Kolo won't be done until like sometime in the new year or something like that. I'm a little fuzzy on the details. A lot of long cues for things, unfortunately. I mean, there's a lot of like data centery stuff that's trying to move really fast. So I get it. I get it. By the way, before I move on from this, apparently PINGFS is not just a joke that AJ came up with. No, that's what it's called.

Yeah, it's a real thing. Yeah, I know. I didn't actually know. I knew. I'd heard about the concept. Yeah. I didn't know someone like... You can't store a lot.

No. But you could like store a song or like small video files even in the movement of data. I also knew that people had done it. But I didn't know this was like a GitHub project. Yeah. Like I didn't realize it was that. Yeah. That was surprising me

That's wild You must have just forgotten Because nine years ago or whatever I think we talked about this on WAN show Probably And it was a thing and they were storing real data in it I think Well no I knew it was a thing

I didn't realize it was like This publicly available Oh no you did Yeah okay Yeah at some point you knew Sure Look I don't remember I don't remember what we talked about on WAN last week

I had a conversation with Pankratz today Where I was like yeah Because I had given a really brief explanation of the type of like data mirroring that some, oh man, we did a video on the coolest server this week. It's like old, like 2002. But literally in the intro, it's running Cinebench, and I rip memory out of it.

And then I put it back in. Ram goes in, Ram goes out. Ram goes in, ram goes out. Ram goes in, ram goes out. Because it's got memory mirroring, and it supports hot swap memory. including in-place upgrades. It's so cool.

That's pretty wild. Anyway, I was giving a brief explanation of something to do with, like, parody data or something like that. And I was like, hey, Pankrat said that sound about right? And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. And I'm like, yeah, well, just sometimes I don't have 100% confidence because realistically, we cover such a breadth of stuff. We've done so many different videos.

We've got so many different projects going. I've probably forgotten more about tech than most people would ever even care to know. And so I end up in kind of an awkward position where I like, I know just enough to be dangerous about. Also sometimes conflating two different technologies. Dangerous amount of things. I do sort of similar. I know that I do my best. I have, and this has happened not a ton of times, but more than once. Yeah. Where I've been trying to figure something out and I've landed on like an ancient tech wiki video. And then it turns out that I'm the one hosting it. And I don't remember any of this literally at all.

But hey, this is a nice video, good. Yeah, sure. I guess I'll listen to myself explain this to me. Yeah. I'm like, cool, nice. Dude, I've seen compilations that people have put together of like top LTT moments or whatever that I'll recognize like maybe half of them. Yeah. Like, oh, that's really funny. Oh, I'm in that shot. I was there. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, to have a better memory. Anyways, let's talk about the next thing I'm going to forget about. Want to do the Discord age verification? Sure. Discord's age verification era is upon us. On September 23rd, Discord rolled out its long-delayed age verification system. The launch was originally planned for March,

but got delayed after backlash, not canceled, unfortunately, but delayed over the original methods, which heavily relied on facial scans and ID uploads. Discord says its new method works such that over 90% of users will never be asked to verify because it uses an automated age estimation method that places every account

into one of three groups. Adult, teen, or unconfirmed. How the estimation model works is it's a machine learning model that looks at account signals. How old the account is. Okay, I mean, that's a pretty obvious one. The fact that Steam still asks me

insane. If I'm allowed to view this, I think there's a setting. I think you can actually fix it. I'm pretty sure my account is over 18 years old. Let me do what the heck I want. Anyway. Um, which is terrifying, but it is its own thing. Uh, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Or unconfirmed is the last category. I don't remember if I said that or not. How all the estimation works. Right. How old the account is. Which communities, servers, and games it's connected to. So if you like Roblox, prepare to get cooked. Um, general activity levels, like how many channels the user is active in. Really?

So if you're more active, you're what, younger? Maybe. Maybe less employed. That one's an interesting one. This all happens server side, not on device. Discord says it is not looking at messages, calls, or other content. Teen and unconferred accounts keep messaging calls in regular servers, but lose access to age-restricted servers, channels, and bot commands.

there are additional restrictions like not safe for work images get blurred and messages from non-friends go into a separate request inbox frankly that should probably just be everyone that sounds like that's just how that should work it sounds glorious i think you can also pretty sure my account is set that way already um adults placed in the wrong group and new accounts which start unconcerned can verify manually through discord's vendor k-id which offers a number of tests which vary in the level of documentation or required. Note that KID is kind of like an orchestrator here, sending verifications to other third-party vendors based on the user's preference for verification method. They go from, I'll let you get to it, but they go from kind of scary to, oh my God, really? The verification method options are as follows in escalating order based on the level of documentation required. On device, video selfie. This is the first stage. It's facial age estimation and is administered through KID's subprocessor privately. It runs entirely on your device. Okay. So the video never leaves your phone and produces only an age vector that places you in

one of three buckets mentioned above. Okay. Methods requiring calls to external servers include payment stuff so you could put in a credit card. Stripe confirms the card is owned by an adult and may place a temporary charge under 50 cents to prove the card is real, which then gets refunded within 14 business days. The Apple App Store or Google Play Store, which which shares only the age range already on your account, not your birth date. Okay, that one seems relatively, I wouldn't hate it too much. Both of those seem not necessarily too bad. Okay, here we go.

I don't love the credit card one. More okay with App Store, personally. Then there's ID stuff, Google Wallet. It would use a passport-based ID pass in your digital wallet, currently limited to passports from Brazil, Singapore, Taiwan, the UK and the US. Yeah, I ain't send in my passport to anyone who doesn't super duper need it. If you're not a customs and border control agent, I don't think you need my passport, quite frankly. An ID scan of a government issued ID plus a selfie goes to Veritat, another third-party subprocessor of KID.

Or lastly, age key, a reusable age credential stored as a pass key on your device usable across other services. So that seems like the ultimate, this would be a really. great solution if I could actually trust anybody to implement it properly and for it to not turn into just like a giant potential gold mine that will be targeted at some point. With that said, I mean, everything's a gold mine that's going to be targeted at some point. I don't think it's in the dock this week, but did you see the hacker group got the, like, name, address, contact information, spouses of like every FBI agent, supposedly? Whoops.

Whoa. yeah anyways Discord says that for all these options it only ever receives a digital age signal that is used to put you into one of the teen buckets okay to be clear maybe Discord only gets that

but clearly KID is passing whatever this is going through like a billion other people so I don't think that's the important part but whatever also according to their documentation every vendor is required to delete is required to delete your data immediately after the check is complete what was his name again stabby

yeah you know stab man or whatever stab man okay uh internal bleeding or your money back can you please fire over a request to Ashley

I think we need a new mascot for the WAN show Stabman I would like I would like to see what she comes up with for stab man So it's you know that whole like Why are they Why are they confessing?

And it's like oh they're not confessing they're bragging. It's like, is this a stab man moment? Are they just telling us how they're going to be evil? I love it. I need a snack. I'll be right back. Okay.

Watch out for stab man. He sent me a message at the day. He's been stabbed. This was extremely expected. Someone called hospital man. No, he's too expensive. Oh, America. Yeah, he sends you an email on the date and time that he's going to show up,

and then he's on time. He's very prompt. Very reliable. How come in current year we're talking about an evil corporation that does the bare minimum of doing what they say is going to happen and being on time, and he stabs you? Is this really what reality has become? It seems to be. Yeah. A major criticism is that the number of third-party platforms kind of maximizes the threat surface for a leak or data breach.

It maximizes the potential of stabbing. But yeah, that is a huge problem. It could be passing through tons of different external platforms. That sucks. Basically, one of the truths of modern life is if it's on an online platform, it will be hacked at some point. So I don't like this. Also, required to delete data. What an ice cold take, Luke.

Frosty. Frost man. The concern is reasonable, given that there was a similarly shaped breach in 2025, where Discord's vendor 5CA exposed 70,000 government IDs and selfies submitted for manual age appeals. Yup. I don't know what else to add to that. Another point of concern for some individuals is that Discord's age estimation model is using data on people's behavior to infer their age.

Though this is honestly a super common practice in data analytics, most platforms that collect data on people use behavior to infer demographic and psychographic information on their users. And in this case, Discord is using it to keep the majority of its users from dealing with more invasive age checks, but they're doing it at all. Well, but they were doing it for sure. Stabman's going to stab. That is true. Modern...

He do be stabbing. I mean, the fact that Discord was so free for so long means we were the product. We've always been the product. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Stabbed me, Daddy. That wasn't sure what you meant. That'll be 15 bucks a month. Oh, you know what it meant.

That's the wrong pose. For you, maybe. Lordy. Are you like super into armpits or something? Now's a really good time for us to talk about our sponsor. As Stabman. Coursair. He probably would be.

Actually, you know what? I'm going to talk about float plane first. Okay. Okay. Time to read the float plane notes. We not only have the extras from Lease's AMD upgrade, but we also got episode three of LMG learns, which is a life skills series that we're running, where people who have never done a basic life skill thing

learn a basic life skill from someone else here at the company so Sammy this time learned how to chair his car oil I assume he means change from Ariana from HR we also have extras out already for tomorrow's video the all razor setup but if a tall bearded French man is more your type you can check out

his full video game essay video that we released on LMG clips today. Is Luke French? I doesn't know. He has a French name. I guess I could actually, I mean partially, yeah. Um, yeah. So, uh, okay, cool.

Finally, let's release Monday's LTT video. Whoops. Okay, I'm going to do that. Check out all of our exclusive content at lmg.gg.g slash fp1. Oh, this is a banger. Oh, yeah, nice. I've been waiting for this follow up. This is the picture that I took in the middle of the night when Yvonne and I were out for one of our classic midnight walks.

We showed that on Land Show. We did show that on WAN show. And now if you were on float plane, you can watch this video right now. Fun fact, by the way, Boca's Swan Song. Oh, yeah. Yep. and he actually came back the cat came back the very next day

literally the day after his last day to help me with the finale of the video which is pretty fun so that that was really cool at Whale Land man I was skimming the comments really quick because I didn't know we released this video one of the I think it's a cool idea that we do this on LMG clips we release full plane videos every once in a while

but I do think like this this video is old. Like quite old. And the context has changed a lot since then. And I think sometimes it, maybe we need to have like cold intros or we explain that or something. I'm not sure. But I've had this problem before where there was like a Q&A and a and it was released on here, but it's a Q&A from like not even this cycle. It's a Q&A from like a long time ago. Yeah, you can talk to Sammy about that. Whatever. We'll figure it out. But I was skimming through the comments and Where was it? Yeah, I saw this one.

I'm just confused. Based on the title, I expected a game engine tutorial, but I'm surprisingly three months pregnant instead. And I don't know how to interpret that. I think it's a compliment. Maybe. I don't know. Pregnant with what, though? Because if it's a future stab man, then hopefully your innards are the chain mail.

You just kicks a lot. Pregnant with knives. Is that a kick? No. It's an odd stabbing motion that he's doing on the inside. What was I supposed to be doing right now? Oh, no. Nokey pointed out something in the dock that I apparently missed.

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I never used to be. And now I am. I am... I got burned before because I am not really like a... quote-unquote gamer. My PC is a tool, and I want it to be rock-solid. So I used to buy... Not touching even? What? Yeah. I mean, I sit next to it sometimes. Sometimes we get a little closer, but you know what I mean? But yeah, I always buy near top end if it has the features that I need. I'm still using PCI cards. I still use a lot of outputs. I like going... I didn't even know.

Yeah, yeah. I like going on the high end of mid-range. Depends if the high-end ones are like actually like good, good. Like sometimes they're just not worth it. We've ran into this problem a number of times before, but when you go to like truly, really high-end stuff, not that many people have it. Yep, it's like a run of 500 units worldwide. Also, at the top end these days,

it used to be you bought the top-of-the-line motherboard. It was just like the top-of-the-line one. Now the top-of-the-line ones are like art boards. yep you'll you'll get it because it's expensive and for some reason it has a screen on it and like whatever else I don't want it on screen

it to be good please what do you pour yeah many sorry many screens on it but yeah it's I feel like you end up putting yourself in it in a weird spot

also I want to clarify something because I was skimming through the comments on here there are a ton of comments that are confused about the video because that was released on LMG clips because they're like, well, this isn't what the game is like anymore.

I've already messaged Hammy. Maybe we'll try to do new intros or something like this for some of this content. But it is clearly very confusing for people because the only clarification is a pinned comment. I think a lot of people are not reading that. It's amazing how many people manage to scroll by a pinned comment to post a comment about the pinned comment. I will never understand that. Technically, the out-of-comment field is above it. It shouldn't be.

Or this is somewhere I've actually brought this up to YouTube before this is somewhere that AI moderation could be very valuable somebody goes to post a comment it goes hey that's actually addressed by the pinned comment or by a creator response

do you want to just jump into that thread? I think it should maybe be an option because like I think I can I can fully understand someone being confused about this there is nothing in the title that clarifies that this is like a more than I think it's more than a year old video or actually a year old video, so we're on there.

Anything like that? So there's a lot of confusion in the comments. Torjerk says, man, buddy really let pal down here. He did. So I guess that's canon now, your pal. Sure. Way to go, buddy. Yeah.

But I mean, I think I like the idea that we do this. I just, I think we need to communicate better with the audience. Agreed. Wow, I've only ever seen those on airplanes. What are they? You have... I know. You have airplane food.

I know. I saw them in the snacky thing. I love these. Every time I'm on an airplane and I get twigs craft pretzels, I'm like, wow, these are really good. Oh, wow. And they're Canadian. I should get some. And then I just never remember because I always exit an airplane in a state of, like, dazed, confusedness.

And I've even at times kept the packaging, like the garbage packaging in my pocket with, So that when I find it, I'll be like, oh, yeah, that, I should buy some. And then I just am like, oh, garbage in my pocket. And I throw it away. Like, I've never managed to actually do it. Are this like the butterflavored ones? Buttery, herb and garlic from twigs. No way.

Yeah, they're over there. All right, I know what I'm having for dinner. Okay, that's not what that's for. He actually left. He actually, like, moved with some haste there. He was boogieing. Okay, let's talk about something else. Oh, I don't know how to feel about this.

Oh, okay. All right. This is a, I don't know. If you told me that this happened in 2006, I would have been pissed off and mad at you and thought you were making stuff up. You were untrustworthy. You're not like Stab Man.

But Activision is taking over Halo as part of a massive Xbox Jake up. Oh, that, okay. and this is just weird. Microsoft is moving forward with a massive restructuring of its Xbox division following earlier layoffs that we've already talked about that hit 1,600 Xbox employees and major studio changes. Most recently, another 260, oh, I didn't know this part,

another 268 Xbox employees were laid off with several notable studios and their IP moving under the Activision umbrella. It's not just Xbox. Sorry, it's not just Halo. Xbox's chief content officer Matt Booty outlined the changes in a memo. Activision will be developing the next Halo title with a team that is separate from ongoing development and plans for Call of Duty. A small team at Halo Studios will stay on to support the games already out.

And Activision is expanding its position, taking in World's Edge, the studio behind Age of Empires, and Rare, the studio behind Sea of Thiefs. Those ones make way less sense to me. Cool, cool. But okay. Days after the initial announcement, nearly half of the employees at World's Edge were laid off. Oh, one developer has already been caught up in the Xbox layoffs last May, found a new role at World's Edge,

and was recently promoted to senior software developer. He ended up being laid off seven days after the promotion. He also wrote on LinkedIn that as part of the restructuring, their next project was canceled. Yeah, Activision's making Halo. I don't know how to feel about it because... Call of the Covenant. Since 343 started to exist, it's just all sucked.

So... Somehow Activision will change that. It's just gonna suck more? The same amount? Who would you put in charge of Halo? I have no idea. scrape Bungy back? I mean,

I don't think that's going to happen. It's been kind of wild to watch. Like we talked, I think it was last week. We were talking about how Blizzard, like, came out and was like, hey, look at all the cool stuff we're working on. Definitely don't lay us off. Please don't lay us off, yeah. Honestly, bungee seems like they're doing exactly the same thing with Destiny 2.

They are. They're just like, hey, you know that thing you've been asking us to do for years and years and years and years? We're pulling all the content out of the vault. You can play it all. Oh, but it's going to take a lot of. work. It's not the kind of thing that we could just flip a switch. It's going to take a lot of work to bring the content. Please come play the game so that we can all keep our jobs.

Please, please, please. And people seem happy about that. And people seem happy about the Blizzard stuff. Is that one silver lining in all of this? How did it take, how did we have to get to this point for management to wake up and go,

hey, we should probably do the things gamers want us to do? I've never played. Oh, that's not true. I have effectively never played any form of destiny. I was talking to somebody who has. They're not like the biggest destiny fan that I know of, but they have played it. And I should talk to DMS.

Oh, man. I know DMS. Okay, I'm highlighting this comment for later, but carry on. But they seem pretty happy about that. Most of the Blizzard fans that I know of, of you know whatever game under the umbrella they're a fan of including some of the more niche ones are quite happy about what happened at bluescon so like I don't know it seems to kind of be working maybe

Lucky Drive 1984 I can tell you the answer to this but I wish it was a possibility says how is it not id handling halo that would have been the coolest that would have been the coolest thing too bad that id got like gone doomed yeah that was pretty good yeah that would be my favorite one but like one of the problems is if you're asking

like who should take it over yeah it would be amazing it's 100% I don't know why they didn't do it but the problem like the reason why I can't have said that in the first place is because the question was framed is like who would take it now and a lot of them were laid off they're gone

so like they can't really so that that option's gone I don't know I don't know if like I mean, I really liked 107 First Light, but that's made from the people who make Hitman. I don't remember their name right now, but it's a very different game than Halo.

I don't know if that's the right team for it. I was very happy with First Light, but I think they should just keep doing the thing that they've been doing. They're good at it. But, yeah, that's not Halo so much. And I'm worried they're going to take the wrong thing, things from the Call of Duty franchise and apply it to Halo.

Jay Hirschman says Activition is in the business of making money printers. That's why they got picked. I don't mind. If Halo's a money printer, sure. That's not the problem. But if it's designed to print money, it's like, it's hard to hit the right mark when you're aiming at the wrong target. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, but I do think that Call of Duty has been handled a lot better than Halo was. Call of Duties had its ups and downs It has, but it hasn't been only downs I liked Infinite Not the campaign Coled Ducampines have been pretty alright All right Conton C E jumps in

I also like Infinite Nice Yeah, you in the seven other people I know Infinite was released terribly man Infinite could have been good I think Yeah I think it had the potential

Honestly they should have just never released the single player. It was so bad. Some of the early decisions around like map rotations and stuff were just so dumb. Insane. Let me play the map I want to play. The fact that Forge wasn't out at launch

that like there was a bunch of things where like if they really just did the multiplayer because the single player was so trash. It makes me really sad because for me, Halo was largely a game that I liked for single player in co-op, but the single player in co-op was so bad. Dr. Gismos says I didn't know. Linus actually played.

Cod. Yeah, it's because I mostly didn't. The only one I ever played was, um, um, I'm assuming two or Modern Warfare four. Yeah, what about bloops? Were you ever a bloops, sir? So I played, I played, I played Cod 2 at a LAN one time. Okay, got it. And then Modern Warfare 4. Yeah, it was like, the one I played. Because I think I got a free copy with a GPU or something when I was working in NCIX. I love that I nailed both of them. I have a thing to update then. What? I think I know he's doing. Yeah, of course you do.

Or, no, modern war, did I say four? No, it would be Modern Warfare 2. When did that one come out? No. Two, it's pretty good. Hold on. I'm assuming you mean Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare and Call of Duty 2.

Uh, man, their naming scheme is so complicated. Hold on. I'm going to have to just look for okay, hold on. The reason why I said, COD 2 is because COD 2 is a big thing on Steam and they had a bunch of crazy sales and it was very popular online.

Okay. I played this one. I know the box art. With the two. Oh yeah. With the two. That one was great. Yeah. I played this and then I played COD 2. Those ones. And even then... I'm sure it wasn't... Not much.

I just know the box art, dude. And COD2, the only reason we played it at that land was because we also had like a free Cod 2 disc thing at some point and it was such an old game and no one cared that we had like hundreds of discs left over What year was it that you played Mono Warfare 2? No, this is too late. That's why there's like no way you played that.

No, it's got to be this one then. Maybe we benchmarked. Maybe we benchmarked this one. Maybe. That must be it because this is benchmark era. Yeah. I didn't play any of them enough to actually internalize the Call of Duty naming scheme

because that that looked that looked pretty right too yeah so this one I probably benchmarks the crap out of pretty sure yeah that makes sense and then yeah cod too I just had like a dozen discs because no one cared about them and I was like

are we gonna throw these away one of the most ubiquitous shooter games for some reason just everybody owned cod too I don't know how that happened which a lot of the time was what determined what you played yeah because like there wasn't free to play yet so you just kind of would

go lowest common denominator of as far back as you have to go until everyone owns it because it was cheap enough that it was on sale or whatever for eight bucks um and so cod two was kind of a thing for a while it just like yeah this this box art was just like nice i don't know that thing was just everywhere nice it was crazy cod too man it's amazing how bad games from that era look when you it looks so cinematic and realistic to us back then, I swear. Yeah.

Yeah. Yep. Data they are. Sure. Oh, now we're getting into two modern stuff. Both of these are modern. They have like red dots. Yep.

There you go. That's more like it. I literally remember specifically that mission. That game was really fun, man. The single player was great. I've gone back and played some old shooter single players, and they're often still really fun. Play Far Cry.

Yeah, it's probably still great. Far Cry 1 is an absolute blast, and it's hard. Like, really hard. I think I saw you stream it one time, and it was tough as heck. So the reason is that the enemy AI tick rate is tied to CPU performance. Oh, no. So I played it on a modern system, and I was like, Man, I don't remember this game being so hard.

You got to like underclock. And then what I eventually figured it out because I was doing a driving mission that I always remembered being like basically a sightseeing jungle crews. You just kind of go through and I could not beat it. Like I'd do the same checkpoint over and over and over again and I'd execute it like perfectly. Like boom, headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot, and I'm dead. And I'm like, what is going on? And so I finally looked it up. I was like, is this game way harder than I remember? And I found like a thread where someone was discussing that, yeah, it's all

about the tick rate. So what's happening is you're cruising through so fast and the enemies are clocking you so fast that they're just, they're just going to take you out. Yeah. But I refused to turn the difficulty down. I was like, no, I'm going to beat it. I undervolted my CPU to beat Far Cry. I was noticeably better at FPS games for like a while after I finished that campaign because I had done so much practice just having to take out enemies before they got me. It was like playing against like ultra hard bots pretty much. Except that they were never, the way that the levels were designed was never supposed to be such that they were that hard. One of my secret favorite games, which is apparently $5 on Steam right now, I bought this when I lived in Victoria.

and I had a bunch of roommates and I played it with the on speakers with the volume up because everyone was just laughing listening to it. It's rated horribly. Metacritic gave it a 28%. I MDB gave it a 3.7 out of 10. Steam at 6 out of 10. It's like five bucks right now. The game is horrible. Featuring first person shooter featuring Richard. Demo Dick Marsenko. Sure.

Okay. I don't know. I don't remember who the voice actor is. Um, but it's just insane. They just say wild, wild things the whole time. And it's just hilarious.

Like, yeah, it's published by Bethesda. That's probably why you bought it. No, you. I wonder, that might be how I found it. Um, but yeah, the narrator of the guy that you're playing is just insane.

Even just reading this, play as a real-life legend. Play as Richard Demo Dick Marsenko, a real-life American badass. His defiant, crude, and sometimes ruthless behavior has earned him both glory and infamy in the history books. This reads like AI Slop, honestly. This is the pre-A.I. Slop. But it's just... Now you take on his explosive nature as you engage in black ops and go against the rules of conventional warfare. to get the job done.

Yeah. It's... Brutal kills. I wonder what someone is... She's terrible. The plot, so much as there is one, follows real-life war crime enthusiast and catastrophic alcoholic

Richard Marcinco on a make-believe mission. Two to three hours long. Oh, my goodness. Right. It's, yeah, it's, I don't remember all the individual lines. I think there's some stuff said. It's amazing you didn't end up as a Manosphere influencer. These are your early influences. Oh, I just thought it was hilarious. But like, I think some of the lines that are said are like genuinely like extremely offensive. But we, yeah, we had it on speakers while I was playing just because like every once in a line would just come out.

It was just like, what? It's nuts. And like the one-line, he's basically slinging one-liners the entire game. I remember that too. Just like badass, like Arnold style. Just like, ugh. It's, it's crazy. It's a heck of a game.

Or hear me out. If you haven't played it, go play fear. Yeah, there you go. There's a good old game that you can play. that's actually good or you could play this maybe play some Duke Nukem forever wash it down with that

like the opening scene of Duke Nukem forever is enough that I just like could not play it I think this is the first time I have fully played through a game because it was terrible does that make sense? Well yeah

so this is your The Room Yes yeah this is my The Room of video games You know what that's enough for me to play it I'm adding it to the list I'm adding it to the list. I'm going to play it.

It's horrible. I haven't touched it in... Rogue Warrior. All right. I haven't touched it since before I met you. Yeah, you can't keep hedging. You can't hedging anymore. Now I'm playing it.

I still bet it's fantastic. But it has to be fantastic in a horrifying way. Maybe I should stream the Sunflop Planet. Yeah. The Noki. Sorry. Look at Noki in chat. I'm dying.

The outro has swears nonstop. with one-liners. Oh, man. All right. Oh, man. Okay. DoorDash, hey, here's some good news, has agreed to $131 million settlement with New York City over wage theft claims.

New York has had a minimum pay rule for app delivery workers since 2023. The city's Department of Consumer and Worker Protection audited DoorDash against it, going through more than 152 million payments and 110 million. working hours. They found that DoorDash failed to pay thousands of workers for completed deliveries and paid thousands more late. They also found DoorDash left out some trip time and on-call time when calculating what workers were owed. These violations run from April 22 through June 26 and affect more than a quarter million workers. About $150 million of the settlement goes directly to the workers with payments starting in late October.

The rest covers civil penalties, a worker-run compliance program, and admin costs. The city says it is the largest worker settlement in NYC history. DoorDash had a statement. It opens with, simply put, we screwed up. The company blames technical bugs and messy edge cases, like deliveries that crossed city lines or were partially fulfilled or canceled. It also says less than 1% of NYC payments were affected. By DoorDash's numbers, 12.3 million covers missing and late payments,

which works out to an average missing payment of $7.70 and a median payout of about $48. The bigger piece is over $83 million to settle a dispute over how to count time that Dasher spend online between deliveries. Mamdani rejected the mistakes framing and called the violations sustained and rampant. In January, the same agency accused Doordash and Uber Eats of using what it called design tricks in their tipping flows. The city says that those changes cost. workers more than $550 million in tips after December 2023 when average tips reportedly fell from 366 per order to under a dollar. The Uber-Eats side is still unresolved.

Separately, the New York State Attorney General got 16.75 million from DoorDash in 2025 over tips that were withheld between 2017 and 2019. Linus note, my question here is, if this is one city, admittedly a very big city, but if this is just one city, how much are these companies pocketing that they shouldn't? I mean, you know, in my life, YouTube is the one that I trust to calculate my ad sense correctly. Trust is a strong word here. That I am forced to trust to calculate what I'm being paid correctly.

How much are we being wrong? Hundreds of millions of, over $100 million, Luke. Yeah, I mean, the whole time you're reading that, I was just thinking, I mean, this should be, if I'm a state, if I'm a representative of a state, I'd be jumping on this immediately. It's just, it's, follow New York's state of province. Anywhere in the world, this isn't just like, these guys are all over the place. I don't think Dordash is just North American. Dude, this is what people mean when they, when they talk about corporations paying their fair share. It's not even like, okay, yeah, some of it is, hey, you know, tax them more, do this, do that.

But a lot of it is like, no, just honor the deal that you made. Like I'm, man, I'm sitting here and I find it very frustrating when I see the kind of nickel and diming that goes on with taxation. And then I see stuff like this and I go, the bounty that is there for the IRS or the CRA or other government officials to go after here is so colossal. And as far as I can tell, the only reason they don't do it is because larger companies have more legal resources to make it difficult. But how quickly the new New York administration is making these things happen? Like, yeah, it's good. Dude, I feel like, oh, a Mamdani is a naturalized citizen, right? So he could never run for president.

Definitely, yeah. Yeah, I think so. But like, all you have to do, is follow this blueprint and basically become beloved. Just like actually be on the side of the people who live in your city or state or country or province or wherever it is that you happen to be. And is that why Trump's cool with them? You can't run for president? I don't know. I mean, he's, I don't know. He's cool with people if he's in the same room with them and then he's immediately on true social yelling about them.

So who can tell? I think to someone like that, words are just noise and they're just whatever noise you need to make in whatever moment that is most convenient and most beneficial and it's like why are you even mad bro i just said whatever words i had to say uh yeah i don't i don't think it's i don't think it's i don't think it's that complicated and that deep frankly someone said in in chat Pavan in chat said shout out Lina Khan for also doing this as well Was she involved in this? I don't know probably she's an advisor to Mammondani

Oh Yeah she's such a badass I was well I know but I was thinking we used to talk about all the time But she's stepped into less public view So I was kind of wondering what she's been up to She's cooking oh I'm sure I just was what it was Yeah yeah better cooked cool Oh wait Wiley Draft says uh

What? Oh yeah, she's part of the mom. I'm Donnie Admin. Yeah, okay, so I was up to date on that. Yeah, sick. She's awesome. All right. You know what else is awesome?

Oh, whoops. No, I had already taken the awesome one. This was it. Okay, let's go with something not awesome. Disney rolled out an updated agreement that went out by email to subscribers in the UK and Germany starting September 17th. The wording says now that every plan may include promotional content sponsorships and advertisements before and after playback of content, and in channels, live slash as live, special events, and any third-party services content.

In plain terms, standard and premium still won't get commercial breaks in the middle of on-demand movies and shows, but trailers, sponsor messages, and pre-roll or post-roll ads are fair game now. Junior mode profiles are the only ones exempt from all of this. Disney told screen rant that nothing about the viewing experience on standard or premium is changing, and that older agreements already allowed this. Okay. Nobody in the U.S. or Canada received a new agreement. This is just the European version that's stating in clearer language

what the ad-free label has evidently meant for a while. I mean, this shouldn't surprise us at all. I mean, back when we bought a movie for $20, $30, it still came with ads on it. So we can move on. What do you want to talk about? Opie-dope. We're running out of things that are not the meta event this week. so yeah

I want to talk about this though you can keep trying to avoid it I really don't know what I think about the title of this but I'm going to read the title of it anyways it's just not my title okay Microsoft tries to patent a way

to piss off gamers a tiny bit less is the title uh the body of this text is a patent application for Microsoft proposes inserting games inserting games into ads no ads into games

yes okay but only when the game signals that it's a good time, which is I guess why they're saying a little bit less of piss off, with what it's called a promoted content trigger event. So in theory, your game isn't interrupted right in the middle of a boss fight, it's just interrupted at some point. Yeah. This is pissing enough people off that my barber asked me about it.

Really? Unprompted. It's amazing He's like you like You know game stuff yeah I was like yeah He's like you know what this Microsoft ad thing I was like yeah

He's like what the heck's up with that I don't like that When it makes its way into like The parents of my kids friends And our barbers And our like non-techie relatives And this is like He's like

He wasn't a hundred percent sure that elder schools in Skyrim were the same thing. Like that's, you know, he kind of likes games, but he has kids. He doesn't have a ton of time. He doesn't get around to playing much these days. But he knew about, hey, this is my entertainment I paid for. But why the heck are there more ads coming from my junk? This is so annoying.

And he was talking about how like, based barber. He's been unsubscribing from more and more like Netflix-E-type platforms and stuff. And he was talking about the price increases that have happened to Disney Plus. He's got kids. and blah blah blah and it was really annoying him and he's annoyed of all these ads jumping in everywhere. Tell him about $5 teen burgers. Yeah, I should.

I told them that my theory on this, which might be totally based on nothing and I haven't fully read any of these articles so maybe it's already, you know, pushed away or whatever. But my theory on this is that this is a game pass tier potential thing. I don't think this is going to be always. but maybe, I don't know. Like my take on this is assuming I buy Forza

and it doesn't wait and then the second I win a race, it serves me an ad. My guess isn't that. My guess is that it does that if I go on the ad-supported tier of GamePass. That's my guess. You can hope.

I mean, I think a game like Forsa. If there's a Forsa game where it serves me an ad after a race and I bought the game for full price, I will not buy that game. I will refund it, I will not play it. Okay.

I think a game like Forza is actually a really interesting one to use as an example because of how much opportunity there is for product placement in a game that is just about products. Yeah.

We are, we literally stare at the butt end of a product, literally the entire time. Okay, let's say we're playing NHL 2027. Okay, you get an ad for Sportsnet Plus during a loading screen. No. Okay.

So you're playing Forza. The boards. I'm actually kind of okay with that. Does that make sense? Hold on. Back to Forza for a second. Sure. You're in Forza.

You, again, loading screen, natural break. You fire up a Ford Mustang and you get a phone number for Brown Brothers Ford. No, see, I think the thing that drives me nuts is I would assume that the loading screen took longer because of the ad. And it probably would. What if it didn't? I don't believe it.

What if it went? What if it was shorter on faster computers? I feel like this is a Stabman thing. Stadman. Because technically they had to load the ad. They did, but what if the ad was static? What if the static image? I don't believe that.

You don't believe it's a static image. I don't believe that it's going to be a static image. I believe Stabman is stabbing. I heard someone say that they're possibly going to do this patent to prevent other companies from being able to... I actually mentioned this to the barber guy. That's really interesting. Okay. Zalith in chat said,

I heard someone say that they're possibly going after this patent to prevent other companies from being able to generate ad-filled games. I brought up that that has happened before. And in the gaming industry, I don't remember what patent it is. I don't remember what company. But this type of thing, oh, we don't want people to do that. We're going to patent this and then sit on it and never do it. Has happened before. I don't know if low-plane chat is going to be able to have the example.

Sony did something like that. I said to the barber guy that I thought it was Sony, but I didn't remember what it was. Oh, Sony apparently holds a patent. This is according to Dax-Wan Bingo team that makes you yell the product name at the TV to end the ad. they're holding it just so that nobody builds a product like that. And they've never used it. This has technically happened. But that's Sony.

This is Microsoft. I don't believe it. Sony's doing some weird stuff these days too. I also caveated that to the barber guy because I mentioned the whole physical games thing. And then apparently he's aware of that too and that annoyed him as well. Avon Fox said in Dead Space 4, I got to a crafting bench and there's an LTT screwdriver that I can unlock if I watch an ad.

Is that true? No. Is it a mod? There's no way. LTT screwdriver in Dead Space 4, I think you would know. I would think I would know. But I remember someone, I remember our screwdriver being in a... Apparently there is no Dead Space 4.

Oh, there's no Dead Space 4. Oh, they're joking about a feature. I just remember, I remember someone showing me our screwdriver in a game at some point. It might have been like a really small one or something, though. I don't remember anymore. Anyway, yeah, whoosh, yeah, sorry. Listen, listen, I don't know. I don't keep track of how many dead spaces there are.

I know there's at least two. That I know. I don't know if there were ever any after that, though. All right, you're not going to be able to avoid it forever. Samsung accidentally freezes its smart fringches with a software update. Customers reporting food spoiling. Samsung has pulled a smart things update after it caused several bespoke AI fridges in South Korea.

I think those are insanely expensive, but okay. Bespoke AI fridges in South Korea to stop cooling. To stop cooling? I thought I said it froze them. I don't know. Yeah. Freezes the functioning of the coldness. Okay, sure.

Don't worry about it. Nice. Don't overthink it. The update was reportedly only meant for testing. Sure, it is unclear how it managed to be pushed to customers. I mean, mistakes do be happening. What's worse? is that it took place right before

Chusok, a major harvest holiday that many describe as Korean Thanksgiving. Oof. Discussion question is, can we all agree that smart home stuff is great in theory, but not in practice? I don't agree with that. I don't want you to control it. I want to control it myself.

Well, when you control it yourself, there's all kinds of problems with that too. Sure. I'd just rather be the one responsible. If I'm going to push a software update to my fridge, maybe I'll know that that software update happened and I might like check it. If my fridge just randomly updates itself, that's a piss off. Well, sometimes your garage door mechanism might just update itself on how it detects.

So right now, apparently three of my garage doors are open. They're not. But apparently a driver update caused my particular relays and their voltage sensors to, instead of reporting via a value from zero to 255, they now report an absolute voltage value. And so all of my stuff is dingle-boppers. And- See, but at least-

They're such a chore. Even when they're like really good, inviting smart into your home is inviting an ongoing battle into your home. Yeah. It's so dumb. You were smart to do it. that way. Yeah, and it's just

thoroughly dumb. With that said, when it works, it's kind of magic. There are some things I do want to smartify. I have, all of the bathrooms are like, you just don't touch light switches in them, which is like, honestly better.

And then all of our hallways and stairwells. They all have sensors near enough to them so that if you walk around at different times of day... You should talk to AJ Moore. about this stuff oh I can yeah

anyway pretty good with home smart home stuff anyway all of my yeah all of my like lights as I walk around will light up the zone that I'm in and like the next place that I'm probably going and then depending on the time of day it'll be at like different brightness that was that was a fun rabbit hole

learning how like time of day and then I think it's like is it a choose entity or whatever it is like basically you, basically you create like a logic branch for what it does with different conditions. And so I've done it. I've done this. I was talking earlier about how I've learned how to do things like multiple different ways. I'm on about the fourth iteration of learning how to do time of day different brightness.

And I think I finally got it down to the point where it works well enough that the time I invested in learning to do it a better way would be a waste because I could have my whole house done before I would actually do that. Yeah. but man it's it's pretty freaking cool. I am on hacks. I'll have to have to have to have a look at that but I also don't think it will be necessary because I've kind of got things kind of figured out pretty good right now.

Man, you said there's not a lot of topics left before meta but there sure do be quite a few topics left. It was a huge week. I don't know what the heck is going on, but it was a huge week. Yeah. Google Books launch October 4th. God, who cares? Based, do you want to just not talk about it? Let's talk about it.

Let's talk about it. Google was launched October 4th based on new Android Google Book OS. Google's taking a crack at laptops again with the all new Google Books pre-orders are live. And I didn't add the period there. But pre-orders are live. And they'll be on shelves on October 4th in the U.S. That's like next weekend. They run Google Book OS, an Android operating system that's replaced Google Chrome OS or just Chrome OS.

This is Google's first new operating system. in 15 years. Sure. Designed to feel intuitive to anyone who's ever held an Android smartphone or tablet. It uses Material 3 expressive design, which has been in use since Android 16. Google Book OS relies heavily on AI, offering support for AI agents like Claude CLI. And with anti-gravity, it provides... Offering support for AI agents like not theirs.

And with anti-gravity, which is their thing, I believe. It, although, just like someone else mentioned this the other day, I don't know anyone who's ever used it. Anti-gravity is just like the weirdest. Does anyone chat use anti-gravity? At least I would maybe know the username of a single person who does. I don't know. I use Uncle Mass. What, my deeply religious relative?

The brother of my mother. AJ does? What the heck? Crazy. There you go. is the only person in chat that says that they do. No one else has at all. It's just AJ. Why? Why, AJ?

Is it just you got free tokens or something? We have credit for it. Yeah. Yeah, that explains it. So pragmatic. Okay. All right. That makes a lot of sense.

Oh, geez. Okay, where was I? Yeah, and it also works with anti-gravity. It provides a built-in tool for developers who wish a program further AI support for themselves. Google is also promising 10 years of updates for its Google Books. Wow.

New updates are expected to be released every three months, once a quarter. These new devices aren't immune to rising hardware prices, of course. The more affordable Google Books from data, Dell and HP start at 899, while other manufacturers' models can reach 1,300 or higher. All Google Books will come with a year of Google AI Pro, 5 terabytes of Google Drive storage for a year, I'm assuming, and a year of G4S now for game streaming.

Really? Interesting partnership. I am so disappointed in the direction that Google took their laptop operating systems. they had an opportunity in my opinion humble opinion humble over here they had an opportunity that i think was just so obviously better than the direction that they've taken it and i cannot even begin to express my dissatisfaction i think that chrome os google os whatever you want to call it google book os i think it could have been the mainstream linux distro it was already linux based They already could have, you know, done what Valve is doing to... I mean, they already did a bunch of the work of making Android apps,

like, ARM applications run on X86 Chromebooks. Like, they were so close, and they just couldn't... They couldn't loosen the reins and just let it become, like, a really polished Google-first Linux platform. I yeah Scrappy DP says they want to lock it down yeah and

but I don't want a locked down laptop yeah I don't think anybody wants a locked down laptop schools right for like deploying them to students but they're just going to go to NEOs they're like basically the same price I think NEOs are 899 now as well or they'll just be stuck in just like you know

cheapo chipo laptop price point that's unprofitable for everyone involved forever. Like they could have like they go and they release products like the like the pixel book in the past. It's like oh yeah it's really really really you know premium and the hardware felt great but like what am I

going to run on it? I don't need fancy hardware to run a Chrome browser. I want a real computer. And so I just and I've seen no evidence that the Android app ecosystem has mature

to the same level that iOS has, thanks to the iPad largely, and how that's basically a computer now that you've got all these options for, like, folio and, like, keyboard covers and stuff like that. So I don't see the Android software being a good enough experience on this thing.

I don't see the adoption and the funding that Google would have to put into Linux software to make that a great experience. So I just don't understand the point of them. Man, Niels are cheaper. They're not going to win that battle. So then what are we even talking about?

Yeah, it's a good question. We're talking about meta. No, there's other things. There's really not much left. There is other things, though. I can find one. I mean, you like VR. China.

They mended fences with Palmer Lucky. He was in the ad. Was he? Yeah. What? He made like a cameo. That's so strange. China probes deep seek and moonshot AI over Anthropics claims that they wrote requests to Claude.

On September 22nd, the information reported that China's cyberspace administration opened a data security probe into deep seek and moonshot. This probe is the result of a threat intelligence report released by Anthropic a couple weeks ago. In that report, they stated that they called. caught a number of Chinese frontier AI companies secretly routing their users' AI queries to clod and using the responses to train their own models, aka distillation attacks. Wait, what? I thought everyone just knew this. We did. But now the Chinese government is saying it's not cool, which is interesting for reasons you'll get to it.

This is an issue for the Chinese government because it raises concerns that state secrets could leak to the U.S. through these distillation attempts. that doesn't sound like distillation that sounds like offloading your your active work both why not both okay well my understanding was that this works a different either way what user queries

are being routed to an American company yeah yeah yeah and potentially these are Chinese users potentially even party members who don't think they're using an American tech company they think they're using deepseek but it's actually being rerouted so this is an actual

concern my only problem with all of that is that they called it aka distillation attacks. It's both. Yeah. Because if you like the scale of it that Anthropic found they were doing it at is clearly designed to help them refine their models

maybe as well as just like reroute the answer. Yeah. The reroute the answer thing that's this is the first I've heard of that for sure. I've heard potentials of that but the anyways, whatever. It doesn't matter. I'm dying on a hill that no one cares about. This is an issue

for the Chinese government because it raises concerns that state secrets could leak to the U.S. through these distillation attempts. Anthropic explicitly stated that some of the routed requests included information connected to a network of surveillance cameras near Chinese military facilities. According to the report, the query was submitted by a user who was likely affiliated with the People's Liberation Army. So the Chinese Army.

Yeah. Neither company has committed publicly commented publicly. Ironically, the same day that this news broke, one of the companies named in Anthropics report, Jami, the phone company, they make AI now too, of course, because I think they also make cars and whatever.

Yeah. They dropped an open weight model, Mimo v. 2.6, that topped a bunch of performance benchmarks. Smart money says that the model was probably trained by distilling clod. And that's like, I mean, yeah, we've known that bit for a long time.

Can I just jump in that I don't, feel bad for Anthropic like even a little. Yeah, who cares? Okay, cool. Discussion question, what do you think, what do you think of the strategy is, what do you think the strategy is with the Chinese frontier companies being so willing to release open weight models? I think they're just damaging American companies. Yeah, I've talked about this on WAN. My entire theory on this has always been that it's just economic warfare. Oh, you spent all this money making this thing. What if I just released it for free? Oh, cool, watch the stock market go. I mean, it's not working. It did at the beginning. Yeah, one time. Yeah. But then why do they keep doing it? That seems to be a bigger question.

I think they are continuing to make them spend incredible amounts of money. You think so? Because they're constantly racing. And by taking the ground under them, even if it's not affecting the stock market, it is making them constantly race to try to be ahead. But they're also racing with each other. Like you kind of don't have to. But then, yeah, making it, making it cheaper. does increase that pressure. It's just, I mean, that's only, that's only been a thing relatively recently. I mean, it's making the American companies keep their prices down. And it's making the American companies keep their spending up. China has shown time and time again, though, that their ultimate interest will be to leapfrog the offshore technology. And it just, this doesn't

seem like a path to that. But maybe it doesn't matter in the shorter term. I think they are watching the Americans burn themselves alive in the short term. And I think they're pulling an Apple where they're just like, you guys will figure it out. And then they'll jump in later. I know like meta's whole thing on like, oh my God,

if we don't own the data centers now, we're screwed, we'll fall behind. And then if you look at like almost the history of all of these types of things, that's just completely irrelevant. Interesting. Speaking of meta. That's all you got. Nope.

MetaConnect, 2026. Nope, nope, nope, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's still more. You're wrong. At Metacconnect, 2026, they introduced. Lab's article. What LLMs you can actually use on your A&BCs. Oh, fine.

Okay. Okay. Meta introduced a new audio glasses category that doesn't have cameras, which they say will enable lighter, slimmer designs, and all-day battery life. I don't know if they ever actually acknowledged to this explicitly, but I saw a lot of people calling these, the non-perve smart glasses.

So it's only slightly creepy because they can, you know, they have microphones on them, but at least they don't have cameras. Between new and upgraded models, Meta says they now offer 51 style combinations and aim to offer more than 100 by the end of the year, including the full-color ray-band display glasses and the metaneural band. Meta also unveiled new MetaVR glasses, offering an immersive, high-resolution display in a form factor that looks a lot more

like a pair of rather beefy sunglasses and a lot less like a traditional VR headset. It weighs in at about 100 grams on your face, though it is worth noting that there is a tethered compute puck very similar to the Apple Vision Pro paradigm. You know what's funny about that is, we called it, do you remember that project where we strapped a compact gaming PC

to a hiking backpack and then put a VR headset on it. That was always the future. The future was never going to be a computer strapped to your head. It was always going to be a computer strapped to your body with something lightweight on your head. So it's been interesting to see the big companies.

We've been talking about that specific concept on Wancho since the garage, even before the backpack. The big difference is that no one has yet come around to the thing that we've said this whole time, which is, hey, I'm already carrying this. Just an idea. Anyway, actually, you know what?

That's not even necessarily true. Nice, that got like no views. Yep. That's not even necessarily true. What's their nuts? X-Real is very into, it runs off of your phone. Anyway, the $12.99 U.S. dollar glasses feature a 5K display with micro-olyly panels with Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos and are connected via an optical tether to a rectangular

puck that contains a new Qualcomm Snapdragon Elite processor alongside a battery that's capable of up to three hours of high-res playback and 45 watt fast charging. Meta says that these are the first VR device to be IMAX enhanced certified, making them one of the only ways to get the IMAX experience at home and that they're also working with Disney on 3D experiences and ESPN for immersive sports is 3D coming back let's go 3d 3d 3d 3d has it been has it been the right amount of time for 3d to come back again 3d as as a i love 3d i love 3d is the kind of thing that i like never use but totally love you know know what i'm saying uh meta also mentions virtual work spaces with multiple virtual monitors and a virtual keyboard and touchpad alongside full access

to the meta quest catalog and hundreds of streaming games from xbox cloud games gaming. I saw this claim, this is not in my notes, but I think it was their chief technology officer or something, like some big wig, apparently reached a hundred words per minute on the touch keyboard, which seems like the kind of thing that someone obsessive enough could try hard enough to get good at, but oh my god, please just give me a proper keyboard. That sounds horrible. Thank you. Thank you, meta. We have another meta. Oh, yeah, so any thoughts? There's a couple kind of key things that people are really talking about here that not really in the notes.

The lightweightness, obviously, that sounds kind of appealing. Sure. 100 grams. They are literally glasses, I would hope so. It's about 500 grams for a Quest 3, by comparison, like 700, 800 for an Apple Vision Pro. Just to put that in context, 100 grams is like very wearable. However, we go from, I think it's about 110 degree field of view on the MetaQuest 3 to... Yeah, but would you trade that for a much more wearable form factor?

No, I used tethered. Cool, good chat. I'm not the target. Now let's talk about another thing you're not the target for. Meta has debuted a dedicated, palm-sized charm device to use their new AI assistant muse on the go. It's an AI device, kind of like the humane pin, but instead of being a wearable,

Bloomberg has it listed as a holdable. Oh, that's like worse. Which serves the... Basically, they seem to be going for high-tech Tomagocchi vibes with a 2-inch O-led touchscreen that lets you see and interact with the animated personification of Muse, which looks like a little abominable snowman thing. My question was, what the heck is Muse? Because they have managed to penetrate even my ad block.

I was playing Wordscapes with Yvonne and we still haven't paid the $13 or whatever to eliminate ads from it. So I got like six ads in a row for Mews and I was like, okay, what is this thing? Basically, it's Meta's answer to chat GPD and Claude. I was launched earlier this month with iPhone and Android apps as well as a dedicated web portal

and it's an AI agent that is supposed to be able to surf the web and shop on your behalf. It hit number one on the app store, unseating the reigning champ chat GPT. Now let's talk about what is the charm and why does... Apparently, Amazon blocked it from shopping on Amazon. I read a rumor thing about this. Yeah.

I wonder why? Because like people would return stuff or because they just don't want bots shopping on Amazon? I wouldn't think they would care if as long as you buy more stuff from them. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yahoo Finance article. Amazon blocks mid- what the? Amazon Blocks Meta's Muse.

That seems crazy, honestly. Totally. Like teleporting hyper ads on Yahoo! Finance is a hell of a thing. But yeah, apparently that happened. This feels like such a short-sighted, wow, we just really want people to use Alexa. Please use Alexa.

So not letting people use the thing that they're using. People are talking about Rufus? What's Rufus? Amazon Rufus? Like the USB? Dude, what's with the names of these things? I mean, let's not pretend the 90s was any better. Ask Jeeves.

I like that. The fact that Ask Jeeves did not get rebranded as an AI, like, agentic thing is wild to me. I agree. I want to, can you- Amazon announces Rufus, a new generative AI-powered conversational shopping experience. So they blocked it because they went using Rufus. Okay. If anyone, like, you know, I'll make you an offer.

That's like the worst time to shut this down. Five bucks. Five bucks. I want Jeeves' spirit to live on. Okay. IAC ink, hit me up, slide into my DMs. Anyway, carry on. Dude, AJ can have that up and run in no time.

Let's go. But yeah, Rufus is apparently thing. Syntax VGM says the amount of times I've just been trying to shop and Rufus pops it stupid butt up and shifts my entire. screen to the right has actually lost conversions from me. Wait, Amazon's is called Rufus? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

Why, they have all these weird names. Man, I don't, I just, man, no, I don't want to take your money. Not like that. That's crazy work. That's, like, that's insane. Like, if it was generating fraudulent orders or something like that or like, unintentional orders and it was like causing a bunch of returns, then sure, right, like that's a good justification.

But just, I have my own AI shopping agent. Please use mine. That's crazy work. Anyway, back to what is the charm and why does Muse need a gadget? The charm apparently has a lot of the same tech that a smartphone has. So 5G modem to keep Muse working away from Wi-Fi, front and back cameras. So you can ask Muse about your surroundings, a fingerprint sensor,

speakers, microphones, and USBC charging. It cannot make phone or video calls. And why does it need a gadget? As far as I can tell. Actually, this is really great. This is from our writer who prepped the article. This is me editorializing, so feel free to ignore it. You know what?

I'm not going to ignore it. I think this is a really good point. Basically, Zuck needed a win to keep meta in the AI game. This is a way to do it. Meta stock jumped 25% after Muse was announced. So he's back in the running for whatever prize all these AI guys are vying for. Also, as an added bonus, This is a device that is always with the user

is completely controlled by meta, meaning that it can feed a way richer data stream back to their servers than an iPhone or an Android app will ever be able to with all of their pesky privacy settings. And for meta, more data means more targeted ads, which means more money. It also counts as a rare AI win for meta because it beats open AI to the market

with a dedicated AI device. Apparently Best Buy has a shopping. agent too. Go figure. So. Someone who doesn't buy a lot of stuff online, this is fascinating. Want to hear my hot take? And horrible. What's up? These are going to take off. Yeah, probably.

They're going to be absolutely everywhere. You are going to be listened to absolutely everywhere by mics that you don't even know. I had an experience recently at the tech house where one of the assistants for like the interior design consultant that we were talking to, I was like an hour into a meeting with her. And I was like, are you not going to write anything down? And she's like, nope, I've got my, I've got my AI recorder here that's making notes on all of this for me. And I was like, you are the normiest normie that I've met in at least several weeks. And this is one of those like get out of our Reddit, like tech tube bubbles and wake up. People are just

embracing this hardcore. And they're going to be everywhere. And there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. Yeah. I didn't even know. Didn't realize I was being recorded for an hour. And it didn't even occur to her to tell me. It is an interesting thing. Because it was like, of course I am.

How would I get anything done if I didn't have my AI assistant recording everything? Yeah, the normies don't care about AI stuff taking their jobs at all as far as I can tell. Oh, no. Like, dude, I think I told the story on WAN before, but the guy who worked at like the compliance office or whatever was just like stoked he didn't need a marketing department anymore it was like oh yeah we just have a i do all of it it's great like my okay anywho there's some other fun stuff for the charm a customizable muse character lives at the center of the screen a little tomagatchi like monster two charms placed near each other

can recognize and interact with each other the developer's internal name for it was clawmogachi so it seems like a lot of it was inspired by the capabilities of the open claw agent. And Tamagocchi's makes sense. None of this really answers the question of why does this need to be a gadget? But Zuck said this. If you're not wearing glasses, this is going to be by far the fastest way to talk to your muse and show what's going on around you.

I am done, I think. After Dark Time? You can take him away. Okay, there you go. Actually, why don't you run through the Labs article? I've got to run to the Washington. Okay. Hooray.

More AI. Labs article, what LLMs you can actually use on your gaming PC? I will read the notes instead of going to the article first. Local LLM enthusiasts across the internet, which is the right way to do it. Across the internet will have absurdly expensive setups to host their AI personal assistance, but most of us only have our gaming PCs. This article answers what level of models you're able to host yourself and what kind of things you can get done with a gaming PC worth of hard.

Now, this doesn't cover every card. This doesn't cover every possible use case, but it's a bit of a, you know, a splash in the puddle. We also CT scanned an iPhone 18 Pro and published the performance battery and charge results. People are very happy with the views on this. It's honestly probably easier if I just go to the article, but that link so you can actually see what is going on. Why did they go into a new window? That view of the CT scanner that you can see through Luma Field is also linked in the article. So I'm going to go back here and you can see cool scans of the 18 Pro and also benchmarks and fun things like that. So that's one article and then the other is the local AI article that I mentioned.

look at your gaming rig second job and then you can explain some stuff and then you can go into where are we at oh we included interesting okay i didn't expand that previously but yeah it dives into a few different options and and you can check that out uh which is probably decently useful because there might be things uh that you would be interested in doing with AI that you don't necessarily want to share all the details of with public agents. I haven't done the deep dive on this. And I don't know if there's enough information to be conclusive about it yet. But some of you, if you've paid attention to the internet recently,

might have seen the news about a very, very difficult math problem being solved by Open AI. And some of the silliness surrounding that, including that they potentially got a lot of the information in order to solve. it from someone who was using the chat GPT prompt. So things are weird. Maybe you're doing stuff with the frontier models that just really doesn't matter at all. It can be as public as you want because who knows, everyone can steal your information and it is irrelevant and won't be useful to anybody.

But maybe that's not true. I don't know. That's it, Dan. you want to after Darkus? Yeah. You as well? You should have your own little purple light. Is it just, yeah, if we go to you, is it just not?

Where are you? Yeah, there's just no purple. That? Yeah. Dang. All right, well, you got some for me? Oh, nice. I haven't noticed a...

I was muted that entire time. Do you want me to restate it? What's up, boys? Luke, I know you take... creatine, but you take collagen as well. I've been reading that it doesn't have much of an effect, wondering what your thoughts are. I, so yeah, I've been taking creatine for a long time. I saw immediate and noticeable results with creatine. I am one of those guys that, uh, when I'm working out in the gym, especially when I'm working out alone, I don't know if Dan ever saw me actually do this,

but when I'm working out alone, I'll have little notebooks and I like obsessively write down all my numbers. Oh, you've seen me on my phone the entire time we've been working out. Yeah. Obsessive numbers. So like if you're doing something like that, it's easier to notice. the effects. Yeah, data's important. Collagen stuff, I didn't really notice anything, to be honest. Creatine is the only supplement I've ever tried where I could tell that something happened. That was, yeah, it was really weird.

It was the first time I took it too, and it was like, what the hell is this? How did you guys get from LLMs to creatine? Look at the wall. It has a mecha chameleons in it? It's got a purple. Oh, it's after dark. Yeah. So we can talk about whatever we want now.

Okay. And there was the question mentioned. Let's talk about ideal ariola size. Mm. Seven. Okay. The second one is also not for you. Basically, I don't know.

I'm not confident enough in that one to say that people should take it or not. I don't even know if it's helping me. What, areolas? Seven. Yeah, you should take them orally, ideally. One for each hand. One for each hand. Oh, my gosh.

God. Yeah, anyways. Next. Sorry. Hey, Luke, have you heard about the new game War Dogs? It's kind of a combination of old school battlefield armor, King of the Hill, great show, and Tarkov. Great show. Yeah. No, I've been told by a bunch of people I should try it. I haven't gotten around to it yet.

There's so many games, dude. And the rate at which new games get released ramps up, like every year. Like you cannot play all the It doesn't feel like it. It is it. It's crazy. 50 a day currently on Steam. That's crazy. Like you you that would be Less than half if you didn't sleep at all that would be less than half an hour To spend evaluating every game if you were to try to try every single game that was released on Steam That's nuts too many but yeah, I do actually really want to check out war dogs people seem pretty happy with it

The reviews on Steam right now are very positive. All right. Very positive is okay. Early access, though, I don't. That's cheap for a modern shooter. What are you talking about? That's early access.

It's for a modern shooter by like someone I've never heard of before. I don't know. Oh, Team 17 and bulkhead? No, Team 17, I know. I don't know bulkhead. 40 bucks is reasonable. That's a good middle of the road price. Yeah, it's early access.

Well, yeah, it's 50, 50, yeah. Oh, okay. That's not that bad. It's early access. So I don't feel like I'm exactly like pressed to try it right now. Right, yeah. And there's just a lot of stuff going on. So I have not jumped on it yet.

But I do intend to it at some point. 100 players split across three teams fight for the control zone. So it's the main cell to me. Pirates, Vikings, whatever the third one is. Ninjas or something. I was going to say ninjas. It's definitely not ninjas, damn it. What's the third one?

Knights. The main sell to me was that it feels more like old Battlefield, which I'm pretty there for. Oh, yeah, see? Fatal exception in Philippine Chat, I'm loving war dogs feels like going back to Battlefield Bad Company 2. Like, yeah, okay, so that's a pretty big sell. So here's a crazy idea.

Go play Battlefield Bad Company 2. I don't even know if the servers are still up. Yeah. It's a shame that that's such a thing now. Also, if you go and play those old games, the servers are kind of weird. It's, it also, what also sucks about playing old games is that the only people still playing them are obsessives. Who have been no-lifing it since then.

And it's just, it's so unwelcoming to anyone who even might be pretty decent at the game, but just hasn't played in a long time. Yeah, 100%. Oh, okay. New Grounds! That was a big New Grounds kid. I don't know if I frequented much. Is something wrong with my talk button? Because I was muted again.

Oh. this. Yeah, just read it on the screen. Gonna use my five meter cables and umbilical cord for the steam frame. One of the websites that you would frequent act back in the day AG, NASA astronomy picture of the day when strong bad emails. I really like StumbleUpon. Okay. Because it helped me find other stuff.

I was even thinking the other day, something that I might want to make for myself is a modern stumble upon. By coded StumbleUpon. Just for me. And then you just tell it, I liked this one. I didn't like this one, and it just goes in AIs it better every time. Yeah. So if I can make my own, if I can bring back the old internet for myself through like effectively

StumbleUpon, then that would be wicked. But yeah, I think because I liked things like Stumble Upon, I don't think I really frequented much stuff all that often. Necessarily. I definitely did check out strong bad emails, but I don't think I went there all the time. Yeah, I don't think there was any site that I would like check every day. I was on New Grounds every day.

I was on NCIX Forum every day for sure. I was on Oceana bunch back in the day. I was more of an overclock. or extreme overclocking. Yeah, I liked Overclocut.net. Extreme systems as well. But even there. Extreme systems is the one.

I was thinking of. Yeah. Even Overclock.net, I wasn't there every day. I'd maybe, maybe twice a week. Like, it wasn't usually that for them.

I was there every day. I was probably on red flag deals almost every day. It's just like shopaholic for hardware and sellaholic. Like when you're buying and selling, there's always something going on. Yeah.

Anyways. I'm sure there's something. I just don't remember it really. Linus, is there anything you considered waterproof? Suggestions. Diamonds. More water.

Black holes. P.S. more mouse pad-sized desk pads, please. Okay, thanks. Bye. Yes. I do consider something that, you know, reasonably over a very extended period of time is waterproof to be waterproof. I consider a five-gallon bucket to be to be waterproof for all intents and purposes.

When I say, like, you know, water makes fools of us all. Water plus time equals, you know, the Grand Canyon. I'm mostly just being facetious. The reason that I don't really engage with Vessi's claims of waterproofness is that over a period of time that I could expect to wear a pair of shoes, me being a crazy person who wears my shoes extremely hard. We both only fairly recently realized that people have more than one pair. I could defeat the waterproofness of Vessi's shoes. if Vessi made gumboots then that were like made of rubber

which by the way they shouldn't because I'm actually a big fan of Vessi's I really like the shoes I like their Diamond Tex material it is breathable it pairs extremely well with our socks like I like them

but if they made them out of like rubber like fishermen's boots then I would say they were waterproof but they're just they're not waterproof they are quite very water resistant

as long as the integrity of their water resistance stays good and that's not a bad thing and I can understand their stance that it actually is you know waterproof

within the way that they define it it does in fact you can like we've shot our own videos validating that you can take a pair of vesees you can like put them into water and pull them out and the sock is dry. Like that's totally a thing.

But I live in Vancouver or I walk around in Taiwan and I get back to my hotel in Taipei during a downpour and my socks are definitely wet. Did all of it make its way in through the top? Maybe. Or maybe some of it came through. I don't know. But I've definitely had my feet get wet in them before. So I can't say waterproof.

I'd be happier with water resistant, but they were really not into that. they wanted me to say the words waterproof and I said, okay, well, I'll say they say they're waterproof and they were like, okay. Swear I'm out on it. Hello, LLD. Question for Linus. As a tech dad, have you ever considered making a locally hosted

private social network for just your kids and their immediate friends? Something with your safeguards. Oh, I would never use that as a kid. No. There's no way. No, we have... I don't know if I would be okay with my kids using that if it was controlled by someone else either. We have an understanding with our kids that we're allowed to do phone checks.

We tell them when we're going to do it. We do it together. We're not looking at their phone without them. So we don't see anything. They don't see us see. I see no reason the way that my kids use their technology with some parental controls and with also just some, you know, supervision and parenting. I see no reason that I would have to do that.

I don't think it's good for their social lives. I mean, I already was like no snap. If I was to say, no, you can't use Discord, you have to use my custom social network instead. I think that's like getting into a crazy guy. Yeah, I think there's got to be, there's got to be given, taken, any relationship, including one where you're supposed to quote unquote the authority, right? Like, just because I'm an authority figure in their life doesn't mean that I can just like, dictate how they live.

It doesn't quite work like that. Well, I was thinking of getting the RGB Beanie, but already have last year's one. Are these the same? Yeah, just new colors. So same great warmness and comfort and fit.

New updated, cute colors that are like seasonal. We have like actual fashion people these days who do things like they'll have like a seasonal palette that they like draw from to do our designs and stuff. It's like crazy.

Hat. And it's released when it's getting colder out. I know. Instead of in the middle of summer. That's nuts. If you know like history of LTD store, that is mind-blower. Forward planning. Traditionally, we would release heavy winter jackets in the middle of summer

and we release shorts in January. It's November time for your swimming trunks. January. Sorry? You would wear shorts in January. I do. Yeah. No, it's,

uh, the, the apparel team has been really like executing on getting things done on season. So you got to give them, you got to give them credit for that, man. Um,

Hey. It's working. It's certainly working. You're doing a good job. Hey, DLL just saw the sock restock and instantly copped. Excited to try them. Curious if Luke has tried the board game, Wingspan.

It's all about birds and is also on Steam. Me and my wife love it. Yeah, it was gifted to me. I am extremely not surprised. This game. Oh, my God, is that a turkey? Oh, Linus has to buy it now. Chickens.

I got a new feeder and water for my chickens, and we were training them how to peck the little metal nipple thing to get the water out. And what else have I done with the chickens lately? Oh, I roofed their house. Did I show that to you guys last week? I have to interject Rogue

Rogue-like duck builder What? A duck builder? It's rogue-like deck builder But it's duck builder Because they're birds I'm so sorry I couldn't keep that I couldn't keep that to myself

No ding No we don't ding No ding You get nothing I had to You get shunning Hold on I'm gonna send you this

Um No no ding Ding is for Linus I think Luke gets them True I've come over and I've dinged it for you too I've actually You just aren't getting it for that

I've also Pavloved myself Because now when I'm around other people That's not on the WAN show When somebody says a joke Because you're on in the background And so I'm always like Like 5% of my brain is listening to what's going on And so

People are talking And it was that pun And then my hand moves And I'm like God Damn it. No, it's a real thing that it happens to me now, too. That's crazy. Background task delping thing to help.

That's really funny. A little brutal, but really funny. I hate the team. Live and die for my art. All right, what's going on? Should we do the next one while he does this? I'm sure I've got another one for you here. I'm done.

I sent it. Okay. Okay. Well, it also takes me a minute to... He'll figure it. Appropriately sanitized. You'll figure it. it out. Oh, by the way, while you do that, I'm going to show it loaded. Luminfield can take a second

to load sometimes, but you can see the rotating iPhone 18 Pro. So that's why I haven't been able to daily drive it. You know, D-brand's going to be very disappointed. They're making me do a video on the iPhone 18 Pro. I got it in and I was like, is this really worth moving my whole life over to just so that I can go back to Android again in a couple weeks, and then D Brand was like, yes, we're sponsoring the video. I was like, okay. It happens to be worth it. Aha.

Right, yeah. Live and die for the art. Okay, I got it ready. Okay, you ready? Yay. Yay. I did it basically all wrong, so. Yeah, did that, wait, what?

It'll leak at some point. Yeah. Does not, like, overlap? They do. Where's your softets? It looks like a seam. You didn't even... What looks like a seam?

Like they should do this, right? They do. Oh, they're like double the... They're like double the length. Like half of them are covered. There's a tar strip under there. And stuff. I put a starter strip at the bottom.

Like I did some stuff right. My eyes kind of suck, but it looks like a grid. But I have to go back and I have to put some polyurethane goop on all the exposed. I was just going to say I see exposed nails. Yep. It's been a long time since I've done roofing.

Yeah, like it's like I didn't know what I was doing for the first time. Also, these are just like leftover shingles from James who had a project that he had like one small chicken coop worth of leftover shingles from. So I didn't have like a proper, what's it called the thing for the peak, the pieces for the top. Oh, yeah. I mean, you can. I forget what they're called. They're in my,

they're in my, like, to do list, dock. You can make those. But I just, no, I just bought,

like, one for a completely different kind of roof. Oh, and just put it on the top because it doesn't really matter. But, um,

it seems to be waterproof. It's been raining. And they're, uh, cozy chickens. And they're, yeah, they're,

they're happy, they're happy chickie booes. You're getting, you're getting, it's getting cold. Yep. So it's there for them. What are they called?

Uh, man, this is really bothering me. now because I definitely knew what they were called. Yeah, Ridge something. What's it? Ridge something. Okay, people are, Ridge cap.

Ridge cap. Thank you. People are backing me up that they, you know, on the, on the bottom one, which is where I was looking, it looks like it's the thing that I was describing. Oh, like that it's, what I just like put a textured sheet of like de-rand wrap that looks like roof. Basically. Obviously not what you actually did, but I was just making, I didn't know if you had ever

roof before. I was making sure you knew that they had to like overlap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, they're like way bigger. So there are strips of three pieces each. Usually they're like twice as big. Yeah, they're like double the depth of what you can see. Yeah.

I can see that. I can see that on the detailed picture. I believe it. Yeah. Just making sure. It's not that incompetent. I mean, what's under it is already like a stained piece of plywood. But I was, I looked it up.

I was like, hey, is staining plywood enough to make it weather resistant? and the answer is yes but actually no. So I was like, okay, well, I'm not going to do this properly. I'm not putting like gutters and downspouts on a stupid chicken coop. But what I will do is I'll put some shingles on the roof. Yeah, it seems reasonable. You know what's under the stained plywood? Hold on a second.

Cifula says you go from top down overlapping. Not what you did. You went bottom up. Wait, did you go bottom up? Yeah. Why would you not go bottom up? That's crazy. Bottom up.

Wait, bottom up. Why would you go bottom up? Because you start at the bottom, and then you put the next one on, and it comes down over top of the bottom one. No, I don't think that's right. What? Is that why it looked weird to me? What? No, it's definitely bottom up.

How the hell would that... If you went top down, all the nails would be exposed. All the water would run under the one under it. If you started on the top, then you'd have to put the next one on top of that. I'm trying to have a gap here. That's crazy. What are you talking about syphilis? I'm not crazy.

I just haven't done this in... No, no, syphilis is crazy. He probably has the one that makes you crazy. The Sifu-Siff is something. I forget what it's called. I'm an STD expert. Thank you for that, Dan. Dang it, what's it called?

Why am I struggling right now? He pushed a boulder. Sisyphilis. No, not that. One must imagine genitals happy. Wait, what are you talking about? Sifilus says the bottom one, then the one on top of it. Yeah, yeah, duh.

That's what I mean by bottom up. That's what he's saying. What? That's what he is saying. Yeah. So you start at the bottom. Then you put, okay, you put the starter strip along the bottom, then you put a shingle on top of that. Then you put your next layer of shingles on top of that, then the next one on top of that, then the next one on top of that.

And they all overlap by about half. So that when the water runs down, and then they're offset like this, so that the like gapy spots are in between where there's a covered spot. It should be fine. Don't worry about it. It's okay. Sheesh. Okay. It's hyperventilating.

Just a deep breath. Just a deep breath. Well, it looked opposite. Don't worry about the picture. It's been compressed and then sent over teams and compressed again. It just looked weird. And then compressed on a YouTube thing to you guys. It's all good.

My chicky booze are dry, which is all we need to know. That is the important part. Oh, man. Oh, bloody hell. Okay. Hi, Berta, biker. and aqua aspreciator. I've been in tech for decades,

but only ever needed a single USBC. What's a piece of common tech people would assume you use a lot that you just don't? Oh, I think people assume that I, like, obsess over the latest Wi-Fi. I remember chatting with, like, a colleague. This was, like, a while back,

and they were floored that I hadn't moved to Wi-Fi 7 yet, and I was like, why the fuck would I? I don't care. That's a great answer. You did for quite a while. Well, I did. until it got good enough. Yes.

And I had a very specific reason for it. I had an Nvidia Shield portable, which is not the same as the Shield thing they have now. Their branding was so confusing around this. I hate it! When companies named two different products, the same name, it's actually unnecessary,

and it's so confusing for anyone involved. Anyway, the Nvidia Shield Retcon, so it was called Nvidia Shield, then they changed it to Shield portable. It was a little clamshell Android gaming system. I found mine the other day. So cool. When I was looking for the base stations.

Nice. Really cool little device, and it allowed you to game off of your desktop gaming system over Wi-Fi. I played the entirety of Tomb Raider 2013 on it with a small child because I had nothing else to do. I was holding this baby that would cry if you put them down for two seconds. So I would like hold them in my arm and I would play video games while the stupid little thing slept. And it was awesome, except when it like did. didn't work all the time because anything other than that crazy $1,000 ruckus AP just like couldn't do it. The thing was wicked.

Yeah, my R700 AP, that thing, or R710, I think it was. So that was freaking awesome. And I needed fancy Wi-Fi in order to do it. But that was like, man, that was like Wi-Fi 5 or something. And it was good enough to do the 720P 60 FPS stream that. I needed. But like the difference between Wi-Fi 6E and Wi-Fi 7 is like what are we even talking about here? Like the data rates are so high that any portable device is not benefiting from it in any meaningful way as far as I can tell. Like you're you might be able to get, you know,

over a gigabit down and up on your phone. But like, man, you're going to be busy resolving the freaking like URL that you're supposed to be downloading from for more time than you're going to actually be downloading anything that's coming down to your phone. Like, what do you people downloading? So yeah, fancy Wi-Fi. People just assume I'm super into it. And I love seeing number go up. I'm actually more excited for Wi-Fi 8. I think I could move to Wi-Fi 8. Apparently, Wi-Fi 8 is all about just unfucking things. Quality of life, quality of connection, quality of roaming between access points. There's no speed upgrade. That's what I'm into right now. That sounds great, actually, yeah. I'm done with that.

but no one else is going to answer that was for all of us I don't remember what the question was who something that people assume you're super into but you just don't use that much oh I think people he never turns them on well I did okay he rarely

and eventually turns them on I think there's I saw some comments under what was it I think it was last wancho oh lordy we were talking about something to do with it and there's a bunch of people like raging that I haven't used it as much. I think my circumstances have made sense and I'm getting back into it now that my circumstances makes sense to do that.

Yeah, and I'm still going to tease you. It's really funny. No, and that's fine. It's so funny. It was mostly the comments. It's so funny. The man who spends nothing on anything except a thing he never uses. It's great. I'm using it. Yeah, finally. Oh my God. It's amazing. I just have to do that and fix my house and then no one would be able to razz me. I'm still going to rise you. I think people think that I use AI more than I do. Hmm.

And I think it's similar to when the Linux challenge was going on. And people were acting like I was like... Linux guru. And I'm like, no, I have no idea what I'm talking about. No, but he's just used it before and has like more of a development background. And those things... I think people took that as like, oh, he's used it for years. I mean, you used it over a span of years.

Sure. but usually for like weeks at a time. Yeah. Not years at a time. I think part of it was the contrast, right? With someone who is quite literally never touched it and doesn't have a little bit. Well, I think the contrast was fairly legitimate. It's just I would see comments of someone being like, Luke, and I know this isn't what we said, but this is the interpretation of that they had.

Luke has been using Linux for years, of course, he's going to understand all these different things. And then I remember reading that, I mean like, I don't know any of that. I have no idea what you're talking about. Ciculus says Luke gives big penguin energy. Maybe. He's kind of adorable like that. Maybe I've fallen that far. Frick.

Wow, you don't even swear anymore? What does your mom watch the wind show? Trying to get better. It's not really working, but... Are the new RGB beanies thicker than the last band? The last ones felt rather thin. Happy to buy another set if they are. I don't think they're thicker now.

Which, I mean, maybe that purchaser isn't happy about, but I am. I don't want overly thick ones. Buy two. Set a fashion statement. Just staple them together. Two toks, Timmy. You could staple them to your head. Two toks tommy.

Then you'd never have to worry about them coming off. It was better. You should do on with a chin strap. Oh, you should alternate the colors. Yeah. It's more interesting. Now they're double-lined like some of our other products. Okay.

We're layering, boys. Okay. That totally works. See? Now it looks ultra-thick. Layered up, baby. It's like a double-thick Oreo. Yeah.

Call it shrinkflation. You have to buy two of the same product to get the quality than you wanted. It's not quality. It's quantity. If we sell or, Oreo cookies in one box and then the stuffing in another box and they're sold in one to one, you now have to buy three boxes of cookies to get one cookie. They should put me in charge of Oreos.

Both of you to assume that I eat Oreos, but okay. This was a hypothetical. If we took one teen burger, it's $5 for the meat. Mr. Techman. All right. How durable is the Caribbean are? for the earphone pouch looks similar to the carabiner

for the OG backpack. It's in between. It's stronger than the carabiner on the OG backpack, but it is not a titanium thing of a boober. But like, be reasonable with it and it shouldn't break.

Hey, Linus, will you do the 30-day challenge with the new Google Books like you and your team did with the SnapDragon laptops were released? I feel for my use case, a one would be useful for me. Get a Neo.

That was tough, sorry. I'm thinking about it. Ew, gross. Well, yeah, not because I want to, smart guy. Honestly, it wouldn't affect me at all. Is that a challenge? Maybe. I seriously doubt it would affect me. I mean, are we? Okay.

I mean, you walked right into this one. I'm not going to replace it for everything, but I would replace my work laptop. And I seriously doubt it would affect me. If I had to go on the road and I had to do Wancho remotely, maybe that gets annoying. I'm actually... I'm actually... I'm actually a lot more interested in decks than I am in Google Books. I...

I forgot my laptop on Monday. And I don't have a desktop anymore. And I was like, oh, no, I need to do work. Okay, I'm going to finally set up decks because I've been meaning to do it forever. So a Samsung thing? Immediately started finding some things that are really flipping... stupid about it and some things that are really freaking awesome about it. So I made a bunch of notes.

Agent Renzo says, Dex is weirdly functional. And I hope you mean that both ways. The way that it functions is weird, and it's weird how functional it is. I definitely have some thoughts on that. But then I ended up not spending the week on Dex because I had that refurbished Dell that I wanted to check out,

and also it was a lot faster. Yes, I will take a 20-core CPU over whatever this is. Hey, LLD at Linus. Is there an update about the ADHD medication and its impact on badminton? Have you been able to pick the meds up? If yes, are you getting better? Is there any evidence? I think better is subjective.

I don't consider medicated me better or worse. I consider it medicated me. As for its impact on badminton, I did pop a riddle in for one of my training sessions, not this Monday, but the previous Monday. And I did not notice a difference, but sometimes, because I think anyone with ADHD probably knows that it's in flux, right? And sometimes the cycle can happen on an hourly basis. Sometimes it can happen on a weekly basis. And I didn't feel any worse.

But so it's hard to tell, though, if it's because it didn't do anything for me or if it's because it was masking, like, a more scattered time, but I felt normal. It definitely confirmed once and for all, as though I didn't know, that I definitely have it, because isn't Ritalin supposed to give you some kind of an effect if you do not have ADHD, like if you're neurotypical? You paint the house and run around in circles, and then if you have ADHD, you kind of like just have a nap.

Right. Because your brain finally comes down. I did not get the high. Did you get the nap from it? Did you get the nap to you? Did you feel? chill. I actually just, like, didn't really feel anything. Yeah. Yeah. And you're not taking extended release. This is just pretty much like... Yeah, it's like a three-hour dose kind of thing. It's basically...

So just like normal, like, off-the-shelf house mom snorting in the bathroom. Yeah, I told the doctor, I just wanted it for when I play a badminton session and then I want it to go away when I'm done. Super, super normal, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you don't drink coffee. Most, most ADHD years are haplessly, haplessly addicted to caffeine because it... uh makes us sleepy and calms us down if we don't have stimulation from that type of thing brain don't work good so and i mean a point of notification is to make you feel normal anyway yeah should try so i'm going to try the other one the not riddlin one i forget what it's called um is it is it not at all that i don't know i forget that's an extended release

i like super duper definitely forget i mean it's a minor detail like a man dedication I'm putting in my body, why would I remember it? It's not that one, and I can't explain why I know. Oh, okay. Cool. Good chat. Experiment. Hey, no, I'm doing... Hey, LLD, Linus, any updates on your light switches?

I am getting a new house and looking at investing in Inovale's switches. Are you still liking them? Any pros and cons? Yeah. Lots of really good things about them. I the millimeter wave sensing is super le cool. They definitely still have some firmware bugs that they're ironing out. I have found some ways of modifying the millimeter wave sensing range that appear to break the sensing. So like in theory, you can go from 600 centimeters this way to negative 600 centimeters that way. But if you set it to like 500 to 600 and you don't have a negative value,

it seems to get look confused. I have generally found that the Zigby ones are a little bit quicker to, like, adopt and configure. And the way the interface shows up within Home Assistant, if that's what you're using, is not quite the same. I have found that is it, I forget if it's the Z wave one or the Zigby ones that have, like, better native support within the devices interface and Home Assistant. Yeah, it's the Zigby ones that just have it there. you don't have to click through to something, which is kind of nice. But also the interface kind of sucks because when you scroll, if you accidentally catch a slider, it's like hypersensitive.

That seems to be more of a home assistant thing. So you might end up wanting to use like the other menus like Zwave JS and MQTT, whatever it is for the Zygbee stuff anyway. What else can I say? I seem to have found a bug that they told me they might know. I was like just messaging them in like the middle of the night last night. And I heard back from their CEO. So I think I probably have one of the deployments with the most of these switches.

So I'm finding some edge cases, I think, for them. Because I'm going through and doing a lot of configuration. Like I did some funky wonky stuff. They have a cool thing where they can send a burst of higher. I actually don't know exactly how LED dimming can. control works. I mean, obviously the voltage is the same. PWM. Yeah, PWM, whatever. So whatever, a higher power. You can send like a higher power burst when you want it to go really dim to overcome the offness so that you can hit like 5% brightness. Whereas otherwise, if you just set it to

5% it would take like a minute to turn on. So I found like I had a suggestion for them about how they could do that a little bit better so it doesn't like overshoot it when the light is warm already. flashbang you and then dim back down. So I think they're working on an implementation of that. And then I found a bug, I think, where my rec room lights got stuck off. And then the back upper stairwell lights were stuck on. And I ended up having to do like a full go-to-the-breaker power cycle. I couldn't just re-interview the nodes.

And they said they think they know what I'm talking about. And that should be fixable. So there's definitely some stuff that's not perfect about them right now. But what I will say about Inevelli is they've been like, very responsive, very committed to fixing things, very transparent, very on it. So I have right now a very strong confidence that they're going to get it sorted out. And that's more important to me right now than the product necessarily being perfect right out of the gate. Yeah, fair enough.

I don't think any of them are. So like, somewhat irrelevant. Yeah, we went through it with zoos for an upcoming video. Do you know about this? Is that why you're nodding? No, I'm just not surprised. We've got it working now, but the solution was infuriating. So you'll have to stay tuned for the Tech House video where we installed a leak sensor on the water mains.

Sorry, a valve shut off and then a leak sensor set up for the Tech House. I should really do one for my place. It seems very smart to have. It seems like a good idea. Yep. I'm still looking for a good neutralless light switch. Do they offer, like... I think in a valley, you can check the...

I have the little. like the little booklets that have all the different wiring things in it or I think they have it online too. I'll just have a look. But I think they have a neutral list solution but I don't think you can use a three way. I just need one my house is bad.

I just want stop smiling Luke stop it. Stop it. What? Fine. The biggest Last one. Last one. Let's get the hell out of here. It's too horny. Hello from Estonia. Ordering a bunch for myself and colleagues. This is a big order. What is? Twelve items. Transparent screwdriver, flannel shirt, scribe driver, pixel heart, Northern Lights T-shirt, magnetic cable management, cable ties, magnetic cable management, magnetic cable management, magnetic cable management.

I run out of air. Hello from Estonia. There were two more. Magnetic cable management, magnetic cable management, magnetic cable. management. Hello from Estonia. Hey, what's up, Estonia? Ordering a bunch for myself and colleagues. Question for DLL. What's something people have never understood about your job, current or previous. Oh, man, a lot of people don't understand that my job is a job.

People actually seem to think that I, like, I go to work and I play with tech all day. and it's part of it, and it's the part that I enjoy the most, but so much of my job is meetings. Like, it feels like every quarter or so, the leadership team slash like Vance slash Dan gets tasked with like, okay, how do we once and for all, make it so that Linus can spend his time writing, making videos, tinkering with tech,

and doing the things that like really add value to our organization, and how do we have them spend less time in meetings? That's essentially what I was going to say. And then I always get drawn back in. Yeah. I was going to say that it's like the level of bureaucracy involved with doing stuff like this. Well, that's the thing. The level of bureaucracy involved in doing anything without me,

because I'll just come in, bowl in a China shop, and I'll say, let's just do it that way. And then I don't know whether it's credibility or the fact that I'm the shareholder. No, it's that one. It's just like... And it's not because you don't have the other one. It's that a lot of times there's like this stun lock because it's like no one can really make this call. Partially because Linus might just come in and change it anyways. In fairness to me, a lot of the time when I come in and change it anyway,

it's because it like would be catastrophic if I didn't. I'm not saying anything else. I just, yeah. But I think sometimes like I, you know, I describe what I do and people know it's attached to a YouTube channel. And I think they think there's more action. and less meetings. And then I show them my calendar and they're like, huh?

So you just have a job? Yeah. Like, yeah. I was talking to somebody recently who is in software sales and they were talking about how they like, they spend all their time in meetings and they sent me a screenshot of their calendar. And I was like, oh yeah, it's basically the same as mine.

And they're like, no. I was like, yeah. And I sent the screenshot of mine. They're like, what? I thought you did all this other stuff. And I was like, yeah, it's mostly meetings. Once you reach a certain point, life is basically meetings. And I wish it wasn't.

And I've tried to kill a lot of them. And I know, you know, I was gone. I went to Japan with my brother. And then I went to Taiwan for CompuTechs. And then I stayed in Taiwan for the Biden Powell video. And I was gone for a while. And I came back and I was like the meetings that I was in that didn't like fall apart because I wasn't there. I'm going to largely try to exit.

And I did that for a few of them. Nice. And it just got filled with new ones. I remember having a conversation with a colleague a little while back where basically they were like kind of resentful that the way that you like made more was by taking on more of a administrative role. And I was like, yeah, it's because nobody wants to do that. That's why it gets paid more. It's because it sucks. It's like terrible.

It's hazard pay. Yeah, kind of. It's horrible. I was explaining to someone the other day about how like... It's like if I just needed someone to just like assemble widgets or whatever, it's like, yeah, you're gonna have to compete against anyone who can assemble widgets and who is willing to. Whereas if you're willing to slog through the administrative bullshit, then you have to assemble people. Then all of a sudden, guess what? It's worth more, baby. Yeah.

Scrappy DP says you have to pay people more to do stuff other people don't want to do. Fascinating. No one's ever heard of that before. I know. I was explaining to someone the other day. I was in a call with two buddies. One of them was talking about how they were getting their first. A three-way call, you might say.

Yeah, it's true. It's true. One of them was talking about how they were a manager now and they were getting their first. first direct report. They're getting their first employee. It's not, I word it that way because they don't like own the company, but they're getting their first employee that reports to them. Yeah. And the other guy in the call was like, oh, congrats, man. And I was like, I'm so sorry. And they were like, what do you mean? I was like, you know, at one person, you probably won't figure it out. It's like parenting, but they never grow up. But yeah, but at a higher scale, you'll probably

figure out. And can sue you if you make a mistake. I joke. True. I joke because actually, there are some very rewarding elements of mentoring people and and and it's as much as it's a cliche I learn as much from my my team member my supposed subordinates as they do from me like it's a very mutually beneficial relationship you got to be ready for that that that part is pretty real you got to be ready for that but it's also it's also a challenge but no it's like you have to care about this person's life and career development and everything else. And if you don't care about it, you're trash. Okay.

That is not good. Avon Fox. This is actually great. Avon Fox says, and yet nurse wages, teacher wages, cleaner wages. Okay, I want to talk about teacher wages for a second here because I have a theory.

I was going to go into teaching. And I couldn't explain why. And I think that comment finally made me figure it out because it doesn't pay well. I know a ton of people that want to be teachers. Like utterly thankless. in terms of like how parents treat you a lot of the time and how the entire system just treats you like an expendable cog. It's getting more difficult to deal with modern kids.

And this is like it's going to sound like boomer. Old man yells at Cloud. I get that. But also, no, it's definitely a thing. But there's this constant, like, influx of new people into the career. And I think I just like finally figured it out. and it's the reason that I wanted to do it. It's because from the moment you turn five years old

until the moment you are expected to decide what to do with your life, the only thing you've ever done all day, every day is go to school. And so it's just like, the influential people in your life who made you who you are were your teachers. They were your role models. And that might influence you in both directions.

Maybe you had a terrible teacher and you're like, I want to be not that for some kids. Or maybe you had great teachers and you're like, I want to be that for some kids. So why do teachers get dunked on? Because there's constant pressure from people who have no idea what else to do with their life other than stay in school and be teachers. And so they can just treat them like the replaceable cogs that I guess they are

because of how replaceable they are. And it's, that's sucky and we should treat teachers better. Because good teachers are mind-blowingly valuable. They're so, they're like the best investment a society can, like make. Yeah. And we've kind of lost. I feel like we've lost the plot.

There's still some really dedicated people who are just really incredible. Like we've encountered them with my kids going through both, both different systems. And there's people who just still care so, so, so, so, so much. But we shouldn't rely on that. We should make it a rewarding career monetarily as well. And I mean, yeah, same. Same goes, man. Like health care workers, man.

What a job. What a job that you would. have no reason to get into if you didn't actually care so maybe we could just also give them money that would be cool yeah now we get a i teacher says corrosit sooner well on that note um i've had enough see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye