The WAN Show - YouTube Is Making People B̶l̶o̶o̶d̶y Mad - WAN Show October 31, 2025

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Welcome to the WAN show, everybody. We got lots of topic here to you today. Luke, house robots are almost here. That's kind of crazy, no? Yeah. And YouTube has bringing updates. Surely that will go great, right? Probably not.

Also, we've got Mark Andresen funding AI-powered astroturfing because we needed more bad things in the world, I guess. And Nintendo may have lost a key. key patent in Japan. That's crazy. You know what else is crazy? Is this intro from Noki? The show is brought to today by Sayley, Neuroubiquity, and Server. Pro.

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Why don't we kick things right off with the big YouTube news this week? How do they manage to do this? It's almost like they try to make the most unpopular possible decisions. I mean, we had that one thing recently where I was like, oh, that seems pretty cool, where they had the AI-powered likeness recognition so you could opt out of having AI slop using your likeness all over the platform. That was cool. That seemed pretty cool. That seemed like objectively good.

And then they followed up with a triple whammy worth of updates and policy changes with an AI super resolution upscaler that's planned to be applied to all videos under 1080P. Oh, was it all videos or all live streams? Okay, I seem to remember seeing an email about live streams, but this says videos. So that's interesting. As well as a crackdown on both violent video games and gambling content. This expanded crackdown, which goes into effect November 17th is paired with more stringent age verification, will prohibit content that directs viewers to online gambling sites,

which now includes digital goods gambling, like video game skins, cosmetics, and NFTs. Oh, wow. And YouTube will also be age-restricting casino-style games without real-world monetary value. Big G is also adding broader criteria for violent video game games. content that will be age-restricted, such as scenes of torture or mass violence against

non-combatants. So this is a whole bunch to unpack. Let's start with the stuff that I wholeheartedly agree with. YouTube does not need to direct people to online gambling sites. If anything, I think the professional sports space could stand to learn a little bit from YouTube here. Has YouTube not been taking advertising from gambling sites? See, they have, which is why I'm finding the whole thing kind of confusing.

So rules for thee and not for me But can I just take this as a small I don't think so It's not really a win, is it? It really feels like maybe they're just trying to take all the pie From gambling site funding Right, right, but from which country? Is it American pie?

Is it? I also am just recognizing that you don't have a Halloween costume Which is a Halloween costume Because other people dressed up as you so if you dressed up in a Halloween costume we'd actually kind of screw the whole thing up which is like the most amazing loophole ever and I'm just

I think very good I went as a tech YouTuber There you go Okay Yeah And then so we've also got the bit Where you're not allowed to direct viewers So yeah you can't direct viewers

To online gambling sites Which now includes Video Game Skins, Cosmetics and NFTs I mean, oh man, how do we, okay, because I do, I actually do support that because it was clear that nobody else was going to do anything about it. And so it feels like for YouTube to step in and go, yeah, no, you actually can't do that. I like that. I also honestly really like the idea of age restricting casino style games, even if they don't have real world monetary value. I do think that there's a level of extreme that's not necessary.

Like, I don't know if you remember this, but a little while back, there was some controversy around, like, even Pokemon Blue getting banned somewhere because there was the casino. Has a casino in it. Seems a little much. Yeah, that seems a little bit much. It's on a core mechanic. If I remember correctly, I would just skip it every single time. Yeah, because you lose all your money. Yeah.

But, like, in general, I think I've spoken extensively enough in the past about my frustration with gambling. mechanics being introduced to children in everywhere from video games to real-world settings. Like the collectibles. Yeah, happy meals. Even arcades, right? Like, you think you're playing a game of skill. What you're actually playing is a game of chance. And you are putting in a whole bunch of money.

Then at the end, you get a little dopamine rush, you know, barrel of monkeys or whatever toy. And you go, wow, I won. But what you actually did was lose. And, like, I've had to have that conversation with my kids where they go, oh, yeah. the best deal in the Castle Fun Park prize bin is this or this. I'm like, actually, the best deal is if Mommy and Daddy had just spent the money that we spent on these gambling games and just bought you a barrel of monkeys. But, of course, you know, that wouldn't have been as fun.

We just need to recognize it for what it is, paying an amount of money to have the amount of fun that was playing these games. The prize is not a prize. It's a sucker prize. which sometimes is a sucker if you like lollies could be alright candy oh

oh uh um anyway does anybody know if YouTube does allow gambling ads like on the site

I don't I have YouTube premium so I wouldn't really see stuff like that like can you do you get ads for like I don't know what's a gambling thing poker stars is that still a thing I have no idea I have no idea what's what's one of the sports betting I don't know

what's it's oh okay yeah okay in Sprill says it's all gambling ads yeah they've seen steak ads seen draft kings okay yeah yeah oh yeah yeah draft kings that's one of the ones okay cool so yeah it man this does feel a little bit rules for thee and not for me but then again it is it is Okay.

If I can try to I don't know, devil's advocate is the right term for this. If I can try to vouch for them a little bit, which I don't necessarily think this is accurate, but if I can, maybe they think at least that they can control the narrative around their ads more.

Maybe they can target it to the, the right people, the right people being adults. Maybe they think that they can do that stuff a little bit better than creators just being unable to because they're just blasting their video out there and then... You know what? I'm going to take... I'm going to take this as a small win still then.

Because they could... They could get even more money because they could sell... like gambling content targeted... Hold on a second. They could sell gambling, targeted gambling ads against gambling content, and there would be more money in it for them if they allowed that content to go to the broadest possible audience versus if they restricted it in any way. Extremely small W. I'm talking like, I'm talking like three point, okay, on an enlarged sheet of paper, like on an industrial printer, okay?

But there is a tiny W in there. Small W. I don't know, because I think the gambling content still happens because a lot of original back in the day style, and I'm sure this still happens, gambling, you know, creator monetization was gambling sites giving people a ton of money to gamble on their site. So it was like, in a lot of cases,

undisclosed sponsorship, effectively. and then actual just sponsorship. What they're cracking down on is linking, not making that content, I believe. Digital goods, blah, blah, blah, which will prohibit content that directs viewers to it. Directs viewers. But they will also age-restrict casino-style games

without real-world monetary value. It's like, no, I... So casino-style games without real-world monetary value, so it could still have real-world monetary value if it was a real casino. and they're only actually restricting you from linking to it. So, to my interpretation, you can still make that content. You just can't link to the site that you're playing on.

Does it say link or direct? It says directs. Strengthened approach, here. I'm going to bring up the original source, okay? Prohibits content that directs viewers to online gambling sites or applications that are not certified by Google. So yeah, it comes down to them. Certified by Google is very different wording than what we had in the in the dock.

Including digital goods. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Social casino content. Okay. Graphic game. Yeah, yeah, it's, I got to be honest with you. It's pretty, it's pretty hand wavy. It seems like there's a lot of room for interpretation here, which it's going to have to be.

In their defense. Yeah, is pretty much what you have. have to do when you create site guidelines i mean this is not a law right google is not the law um and if you make it super specific people will just work around it it happened to twitch and they just became a laughing stock you like have to do it vaguely unfortunately um so we'll see what that actually turns into the violence and video game one is interesting okay well that one i wanted to unpack a little bit separately sure let's move on to it you know what you're right yep let's I saw some speculation online that this was preemptive for the GTA 6 launch.

Oh. Which actually, yeah, I had basically the same reaction of like, interesting. Because you know there's going to be an insane flood of content. Whether, I mean, it's probably going to be good, but rather the game is good or not, an incredible amount of people will play it. And there will be an incredible amount of content made about it. Yeah. And a lot of it will probably include scenes of doing things to NPCs that could constitute.

torture or mass violence against non-combatants. Yeah. Honestly, everything. There will also be gambling. Like, there will also be the skins. There will also be, like, literally everything in this update will have something to do with GTA. Oh, that actually, that actually makes a ton of sense. Who knows? But I saw that idea, and it seemed super legit to me.

It also could just be something that's been on the document. it basically forever and they've been waiting for a quiet moment to just kind of make these changes and roll them out. I was not expecting this to ever happen and I got to tell you some of our content would fall under these guidelines as potentially being age gated, which is sort of a downer because this is the next section. Like what? What this means for you and your content? content uploaded before November 17, 2025 that violates these guidelines may be removed or age-restricted, but will not result in a strike. Remember, age-restricted videos can stay on your channel for 18-plus audiences. So I tend to...

What content do you think would get? Whenever we fire up cyberpunk, just as like a benchmark, I tend to play Carmageddon. because then I don't have to aim and we can just kind of you know rip around in the city and and it attracts the police which gives me an opportunity to get into a firefight like it just is it's kind of

it's not necessarily a scene of torture but it's definitely mass violence against non-combatants yeah really is isn't it yeah see I always thought of them as just sort of digital pixels I didn't really you know think it mattered non-combatant yeah yeah um So this could affect a not totally insignificant number of our older videos. You should find a like generic clip of like some like, I don't know.

What's that? There was some like terrible flash game back in the day where you took care of like horses. You just like brushed horses. You should get like footage of that. It's like every time you go to Carvagan Spree, it just like covers the screen with it. YouTube appropriate content? Yeah. I don't know.

So you can make edits. YouTube does have their built-in video editor tool. You can use to trim or blur the footage, but you'd have to make any changes before November 17th. So we would have to find whatever videos have this. We'd have to go in it. I think realistically I'm just going to not bother. And then anything that they flag on us,

We're just going to appeal and then fix in the meantime, and then we'll hopefully sort it out that way. There are some sort of guidelines that they use to determine whether it's violative of their policy. So the duration matters if the graphic scene is sustained rather than fleeting. So for compilation videos, they will now consider the cumulative duration of all the graphic clips combined. Okay. And then there's prominence So if the violent imagery is zoomed in Or is the main focus of the scene

And this one bones me a little If they're if it's against realistic human characters Yeah It's a small portion of the video though Yeah so maybe we'll do okay You've got some credit there Yep some social credit you know I was just in China so I had social credit on the mind

Here I found a YouTube Acceptable game You just run around and you collect carrots Jump We did it Yay Oh wait More carrots

Jump Oh no I made it I actually don't think this is acceptable I learned recently visiting the bunny cafe in Vancouver with my daughter That carrots are actually too sweet for bunnies Are they too sweet for horses? Not healthy Oh

So, no. What are they supposed to eat? No good. Root vegetables? They can eat leafy greens. Okay. Yep. And probably other things, but they said carrots are too sweet.

Not good for them. There are bunny cafes. Yes, there are bunny cafes. This one's not one of the depressing ones where, like, the animals are abused and stuff, though. They work as a, like, a shelter and rehoming service. So when you go in, all of the bunnies that are in there can be adopted, which is pretty cool. So, yeah, I don't remember what it's called. I feel like I should look it up now,

but it's like the Bunny Cafe in Vancouver. Carrots seem to be good for horses. Oh, that's nice. It's called the Bunny Cafe. Oh, fantastic. 1696 Venables Street. There you go. Bunny Cafe, pretty chill.

They seem like cool people. I've never been to a cat cafe because I live in one. Stale biscuit asked. You have four cats living in our house right now. Does a vaund drink coffee? not a cafe then neither of you drink coffee we have coffee oh just in case someone visits i mean technically you walk into a starbucks nobody's actually drinking coffee is it still a cafe i say yes well because they have coffee so they have coffee having coffee yeah sure we have coffee

fair enough got them uh okay we do have some now i get to uh tell the local government about linus's illegal cafe business in his house would you like to watch the tech-linked example of the AI sharpening. Yeah. So the super resolution upscaler. Absolutely. All right. Here we go. Can we see this? Yeah. Well, I hope so. Well, that's fine. I don't think we need audio. It's more of a

visual experience. Oh, my God, unscivable ads. Is it a visual experience? What am I even watching me to add for? Of whatever this is. Disneyland is my guest. Nope. Disneyland. Okay, so hold on a second. First thing's first. Oh, is this just the same thing that we saw months ago that Riley talked about months ago? Is this months ago? Yeah.

Hold on. Hold on. That's not what I thought this was. I assumed this was different. Opt-out AI superresol all videos under 1080P as well as a crackdown. Hold on, hold on. Okay. I need to double check something to make sure that I don't say something that I can't say.

YouTube debuts AI enhanced super resolution for low-res videos blah blah blah blah high resolution derivatives blah blah blah blah blah blah will clearly indicate them as super resolution leaving the originals intact

okay in the case of offending videos creators can opt out okay blah blah blah so YouTube produces additional HD copies of a low-res source of material gives you the option of using them in the quality menu next to the originals.

So no, my understanding is that this is not shorts directed. It may be using the same technology, which is maybe why Riley linked it like that, but it will look like this. So we may have to go source ourselves

a new example of this. Maybe we could try Charlie bit my finger and see if it has been AI super resolution. What about I went to the zoo? You could try that one too. That would be a great example

of something that might have a thing. Charlie bit my finger. Original does not have any super resolution. Neither does me at the zoo. All right. If anyone finds one, go ahead and throw it in the chat and then we can have a look at it after.

Is it rolled out already or are they just saying they're going to roll it out? YouTube debuts. Yeah, has anyone else Anyone else actually seen it? Is there a time frame for this? I mean, they definitely rolled it out on shorts. There's going to be a lot of content

that is not going to benefit too much from this. Like any kind of like pixel art style gaming videos. I don't think anyone's seen it. I don't think it's really out much yet, or if at all. Oh, oh, hold on a second. Uh Okay, this. There's no way that this doesn't have it. No.

No. No. No. What? Someone linked the old badger, badger, badger song. And I was like, oh, no way. like that one has it so I went to go check it no they just linked it for fun I think nice it doesn't have there's no it's just like auto 240 and 144 all right well it was worth a shot whoa whoa hold on when bingo chronified says Charlie bit my finger has it for me

okay so it's a it's a user rollout thing oh that's a bummer hold on a second they sent two links Oh, Imgerlink. Here we go. Yeah. So that's what it looks like for you, hey? Interesting that the even lower ones don't have it. Trey's interrassant. Do we have like a side by side?

Cat O.S. says try this one. Of course it is. Because of course it is. Thank you for that. Very useful. also this is already a 4k remaster so there would be no need for them to upscale it again man it's been a while it's been a while since anyone has helpfully linked that particular absolute banger of a music video I think we can move on now

it is kind of a banger isn't it the solidly good song oh yeah no no doubt yeah absolutely love it and wholesome too you know like yeah yeah yeah like why do songs about you know being attracted to members of the opposite sex have to be all you know vulgar are the same sex ones not vulgar I mean not inherently you have to no they're not no why why why do you single out opposite sex Well, because that's what never going to give you up is about, I assume. There's a lady in the, in the video. Sure. Yeah.

I just don't understand how the differentiation. Well, no, I'm just, I'm just, I'm contrasting with, you know, songs about bitches and and shows. But what if it is a, what if it is a lesbian singing about bitches? That, well. That's suddenly, totally chill? I think they're allowed to do that. What? I'm not taking a position here. I think you are.

Well, is it on the bottom or top? Okay, we should probably move on. Oh. What? Next position? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot more discussion topics on this one, actually. Like, there's where's the line? between, you know, do you think strict online age verification is a long-term solution?

Is the cost and privacy worth protecting our children? I mean, if I thought they could do it effectively and safely and maintain privacy and not have all of this data leak, no, I don't think it would, I don't think I would mind it actually. I wouldn't mind age-gating things. Like, to me, it's not really any different than them checking ideas. at the ticket counter of a movie. Yeah, like, I know, I know...

But I don't trust them. I know the searier sides of the internet have been available to us since effectively the beginning of the internet. Some of the oldest parts of the internet are very not-safe-for-work. I don't think they're that old. Those jokes are got to stop.

I'm not going to wear out the button. It's not a joke. Okay, where was I going with this? Right, but before it, like, in my experience, you had to be pretty deliberate about seeking it out. And now it's a lot easier now. Now it's just there. Like you almost can't be on most parts of the internet anymore without it being shoved in your face. um and it's it's it's it's pretty nuts so like yeah i don't know in general at least a like heavily

filtered mode because you know the kids are going to get around it but if it wasn't just like passively there all the time that would probably be better and i mean our next question actually this has been very top of mind for me i just like i said i just got back from China and um they have a very different approach to the tobacco industry than we do here in Canada so I was I was chatting with Sherrod from the business team about it a fair bit because apparently a pretty popular thing to do when you go to China is to load up on your your allowance of flavored cigarettes and bring them back because they've been banned here for I don't think they lasted very long like I have no idea yeah flavored cigarettes and

I think we're a thing here for a little while, but they basically went away because it was determined that they were much more appealing to kids. Sure. I mean, adults like flavored things, too, but it was more of the concern about, you know, thinking of the children, right? Adult flavored things. Mm-hmm. And they had, they had, like, all kinds of cigarette innovations. Like, I'm a non-smoker, so to me, it's like, oh, yeah, interesting. Like, I'm not going to smoke them, but I'm like, oh, that's pretty clever if you wanted people to smoke more.

Like, there was one that they had that had, so I learned how flavored cigarettes work, didn't know that before. So they have a little gel in them. Okay. Like, I assumed that the tobacco itself would be infused with some kind of... I probably would have assumed the same flavor, so that when you burn it, like something, like a candle, I don't know. Sure. Like the fuel of the fire would have been somehow soaked in it or something. I don't know but no apparently that's not how it works

you just have like normal tobacco and then you have like a gel bead that you like squish and then as you're inhaling bringing it through the filter or whatever yeah then it sure so they had this one that seemed to have like multiple gel gels in it so that you could create different combinations of flavors and I'm just like

freaking what like I mean cool idea I guess like I said if you're trying to get people to smoke more and they had like this like Sherrod was collecting like cool packages

so there was this flying horse one that's from some meme like if smoking so bad why is the horse so happy or something like that I don't know there was some he was explaining it to me he's very into the memes

let's put it that way and and so he like got this pack of like blue flying horse are you looking at I don't really want to shared on screen but I am trying to look it up yeah yeah the top left top left right there no it's fine we can just show the people they're adults if cigarette bad why horse happy

checkmate liberals so he was so we went on a mission to find these cigarettes with the flying horse on them yeah um and it made me sort of it really just made it impossible for me to not notice the contrast between their approach which is seems to be pretty much have at it, versus here in Canada, Sherrod was telling me that they're not even allowed to, like, brand them anymore. Like, never mind getting rid of Joe Camel. Like, they're allowed to say what the brand is, but they're not allowed to have flying horses on them.

They're not allowed to have pretty elegant looking ladies smoking on them or, you know, anything like that. And they have just, like, the, you know, gross out nastiest pictures on them because, you know, we have socialized health care. So, you know, we literally all pay for people's vices collectively, which incentivize the government very strongly to advise people that, hey, they probably shouldn't do things that are extremely harmful and extremely expensive to treat. I've always been really fascinated how the smoke break became a thing at workplaces.

No comment. Maybe not a topic we want to dive into. But that has always been, like, genuinely fascinating to me that that became a thing. Yeah. No, it's mandated. So, like, our workplace employment code or whatever, you have to have, like, there's certain, like, mandated break allowances. And I think it's been revised since then.

But my understanding was at some point, the cigarette break was specifically for cigarettes. And if you were a non-smoker, you just didn't get. it. Yeah. But I believe... When I worked at the bread factory, that was the rule. Yeah. I believe everybody gets the 15 minute breaks or whatever they are now. Don't quote me on that. I don't work

in the HR department. So if anyone from LMG is watching, talk to HR before you start randomly taking smoking breaks. I haven't looked into it in years. The 15 minute breaks last time I heard were like approval basis.

And yeah, I know way back in the day it's very likely changed by now but when I used to work at the bread factory I remember complaining to management because I couldn't take 15 minute breaks because I didn't smoke and I was like this seems very backwards I don't even necessarily like care

about taking the break that's fine but like the fact that there is a benefit if you are a smoker is crazy to me so anyway the question that sort of prompted me to talk about just noticing this difference was should vices, like vapes, cannabis, alcohol, gambling, etc., should they be allowed to advertise at all? I mean, I'll say this much.

I liked watching sports more before every flipping stupid ad was just... And the commentators talking about it sometimes and stuff. I agree. But at the same time, more people watch sports now and are maybe more engaged. So if you're the company, if you're the NFL, you might want it. Or quite famously, the NBA has talked about it extensively. The viewers are more engaged and they spend more. But then if you're going to make an ends justify the means argument,

shouldn't the ends be something other than more money? Like should there be a more positive, like societally positive end if you're going to end's justify the means mean on this? The company will never take that route. They're multi-billion dollar whatever. MBAs all over the place company. Yeah, but our question is, should they be allowed? Yeah, so we're talking on a government stance.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, like, it's weird because you get into like free speech stuff and whatnot. Sure, yeah. And just like freedom of, you know, being an adult with, you know, agency. I mean, I think that's something that, you know, I've thought about a lot ever since my sister's passing, right? Like, at the end of the day, I don't like the decision that she made. But if somebody chooses to harm their body, whether it's, harming it just a little bit or whether it's harming it an awful lot like but then there's like

what can you do you do about it where is the argument end right because like do you ban snowboarding yeah exactly that's a great point do you ban almost every sport it's a great it's a great point because I mean you can even you could even make and I'd say it's a pretty bad faith argument but there would be some logical basis to it. Like you could make an argument that sports done excessively can be extremely harmful. That sports done excessively can cause a similar sort of chemical release in your body that makes you want to do more and more and more of it and that you can become obsessive.

I mean, anything in unhealthy quantities. There are some people like that. It's really bad for you. There's people that get addicted to working out. Yeah. That can show up in bad ways. 100% Yeah

But what are you supposed to do Ben advertising Doing sports Should gyms not be able to advertise If we're talking about The The weight on the medical system as well Yeah

Like my family knew how to Effectively sneak into The emergency wing Of the local hospital Because we were in there so often That it was just like Annoying to have to talk to the people And be like yeah we know someone in here

We should be able to visit them because we did every single sport possibly imaginable so like little problems here and there were pretty normal just get one of those stamp card things yeah certain amount of visits oh another another leg there bud

yeah so I don't know but then you know the flip side of it is so again so you know where should be the line then should I have to flip on YouTube and see a commercial for fentanyl right

for fent pills I have generally enjoyed that the I like that it's strange watching TV in the States because we don't have the amount of like lawyer and pharmaceutical

ads that they have down there I like that we don't have those I watch their TV and Go, wow, I'm happy I don't have these ads. Not that I exactly watch TV up here either, but, you know what I mean. More house hippo, less Xanax from Dan. I agree.

Yeah, the house hippo was based. Burdian says, I've never seen an ad for fent pills. No, I know. It's a hypothetical. An exaggeration, yeah. No, well, it's just, it's, it's demonstrating that at some point, I like I think fundamentally when you really get into it even the most anti-regulation person eventually goes

oh well we should probably regulate that something yeah yeah it's just that where you end up in a very difficult conversation sometimes is that everyone has the line at a different point like I think the vast majority of people should would probably agree that you know that like methamphetamine probably shouldn't be just advertised during a sports ball game. You know, you shouldn't have athletes

wearing like, you know, meth for you.com emblems on their helmets. I'm able to keep playing through the pain because... Right? Like, we could probably all agree that that's not good. We probably shouldn't do that. But then, you know, you end up over on the flip side

where it's just... I just thought of it totally, yeah. I don't even want to say. I see it. Who cares? Germans like long hikes. Do you want to keep going on long hikes? That's a reference.

Do you want to be able to keep hiking through the night? Um... Okay, so anyway. Um... Yeah. Uh, wow. Wow. So maybe what we could do is a new topic. Why don't we do that? Luke, you want to pick one? Nintendo may have lost a key. Oh no.

Nintendo may have lost a key Pokemon. Yeah, it's not funny when you are the next Poland. Ah, yes. Nintendo may have lost a key Pokemon capture patent filing in Japan. We have a bunch of different sources for this. Games Frey Creative Block PC Gamer. Games Frey reported the JPO or the Japan Patent Office has issued an office action, an initial decision against a Nintendo patent filing related to its action against Pal World developer PocketPair. That's funny.

Of course, their company name is even similar. Following a third-party submission of prior art. Nintendo's filing, 2024-031879, is part of a chain of patents related to the capture mechanic, uh, the capture mechanic described as a player character throwing a ball at a character in virtual space, capturing the character and setting it in the player character's possession. Okay, so throwing a polka ball. Basically. Basically.

Yeah. PC gamer described the subject of this particular patent as combining third person aiming with two modes to throw items that either affect the target character like stunning it or capturing it or initiate combat against the target character by releasing a creature to battle it which happens in the newer Pokemon games

so a Pokemon battle yeah the rejected patent isn't directly related to the case but is both the child and parent of patents that are referenced prior art games include Ark, Monster Hunter 4 pocket pairs Craftopia and Pokemon Go.

Okay. The JPO said Nintendo's process lacked an inventive step. Onlookers have complained about the stagnant Pokemon series since this lawsuit began. And just to be very clear, for many, many, many years before then. I mean, basically since. Trying to think. The first one. No, N64 had that like Coliseum Battler.

Yeah. So that was. Pokemon Stadium. Yeah, that was a little difference. Thank you. Coliseum. But that's not. a mainline game. I'm just, I'm just saying, like, you know, neither would have, um, neither would

of Pell World. Like, that wouldn't have necessarily been a mainline game. So I'm just, that's fair. I'm just trying to say, like, they're, that is for, for sure, fair. Um, you know, they, they did the, the online version of the card game. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm trying to throw them a, I'm trying, no, yeah, you're right. I'm trying to throw them a bone. That's, because like, the mainline games, you, you always hear the same thing. Like, every time I talk to, someone about Pokemon games like Glenn for instance we were just on that trip to Japan together oh I was also in Japan we were on that trip to Japan together and he was playing whatever the latest Pokemon was and I was like oh yeah I haven't played one since

blue and he's like sitting there playing a Pokemon game like yeah you haven't missed much yep and that seems to be the general consensus but I'm just I'm trying to throw a bone trying to throw a bone no so you're you're right I don't know if the online version of the card game counts I don't know if it counts either but there are a lot of other This is, Pokemon Snap? No, there was the Detective Pikachu movie. That was something.

Wasn't a game? Yeah. It was good. Ryan Reynolds. You love to see it. Can movie patents apply to... No, no, no. I don't mean from like a patenting standpoint.

I just mean, like, you know, they haven't... Because it sounded like you were about to get into just, like, stagnant Pokemon series in general, just how utterly stagnant it's been. Well, it is. Yeah, but... It for sure has been. Yeah, Ryan Reynolds. Canadian treasure.

That is. Uh, he's been doing mean things for a bit. Has he? Has he? No. I thought him and his wife were going after some dude and crazy legal fight and something, something, something. Am I thinking of the wrong guy? I mean, I know that Blake lively has been involved in a lawsuit.

Um, okay, mean, I don't know. I don't care, dude. There's so many. Okay, not only is there just so many controversies every day that it's just exhausting to even consider keeping up with, but that's one that's like not even in our realm. That's movie stuff. So like, I don't know. I've only heard of this one because someone that I know was talking about it. And I, even then, it was a lot to care enough to pay attention. Yeah, anyways Earlier this year Nintendo sought to modify another patent related to creature riding

mid-litigation suggesting difficulty in proceedings Games fray said litigants litigants, whatever don't change a patent in the middle of an infringement case unless they feel the patent is at a fairly

high risk of being deemed invalid in its original form, which does kind of make sense. Discussion question is, if Nintendo ultimately loses this lawsuit, how does that bode for its litigious attitude? Will it encourage more fighting back? A significant amount, maybe? Oh, my. I don't think Nintendo will start backing down.

It might be that if they lose this, other companies see them as less scary, therefore we'll fight more. but I don't feel like this will slow Nintendo down at all. If anything, they're just going to try to be more buttoned up about things so that they are less counterable. That's all I would expect would happen. In summary, Blake Lively accuses director Justin Baldoni of toxicity on set. Justin Beldoni counter accuses Blake Lively of being toxic on set.

Cool. Ryan Reynolds is in Blake Lively's corner because she is his wife, and they have both taken reputational hits over this whole drama. You're welcome. That is Celeb-linked. My life is worse for having known that. Is it really? Yes.

Worse. Not very measurably. Okay. But it is. I was going to say, I... Well, okay, no, I got to push back on that because by the time we talk again next week on WAN show, you will not know it anymore. But there's some other potentially better information that could have been put in my head that I would have also forgot by next week. Dude, people ask me like hours after Wancho about something I said on Wancho, and I'll be like, did I?

Okay. I don't know. Yeah. I was so ready. I'm so ready for this one. He sensed it. All right. What else I sensed is that it's time for us to talk about merch messages.

If you're not familiar, You must be new here. Welcome. Merch messages are our way of having you guys interact with the show, rather than having you donate to people who, frankly, probably statistically speaking, don't need it as much as you do, or just throw money at your screen in hopes that something good might happen. If you want to interact with the show, hey, why don't you send a merch message?

All you got to do is go to LTT store.com. and add something to your cart. Once you add it to your cart, you will be prompted to leave a merge message. It will go to producer Dan. Producer Anon, excuse me. Don't docks me. Who will redirect it to wherever it needs to go,

or will reply to it himself, or we'll just throw it up on screen with a little, hi, mom, or whatever. Or he might, if you are really lucky, curate it. and Luke and I will respond to your merch message. That box is only there when we're live, by the way. Before you guys go and send a merch message for today,

why don't we have a look at some of the things that are on the store? That's right. Keeping with our Halloween spooky theme, we are bringing some of our most iconic shirt designs back from the dead. Do you need to do like a full refresh or something? Do you Oh,

LMG.G slash greatest hits He's got it. We're calling it the greatest hits collection Five of our best selling t-shirts from the last few years reimagined in both... Uh-oh. Oh, Artie to update this text

to let us know when it's good to go. He didn't see the giant text. In fairness to me, it wasn't that red or... yellow and it wasn't that prominently placed. It wasn't that red or yellow? What do you mean? I am being verbally... It was exactly that amount of red yellow. I'm being verbally ironic. Oh, I see. To be fair, it is technically an advertisement and he didn't see it. Yeah. That is fair. Yeah. I'll give them that. Okay, we are going to have to do this later. Later. Um, ignore that. We can still do the

merch message. Sure. Let's do a couple of merch messages. Dan, hit me. I got one for you here. Hey, LLD. as an aviation systems technician in the Canadian Armed Forces and a helicopter pilot. You're not wrong about jet fuel. Am I right? Am I right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. New autonomous helicopters kind of make me worry about the future of the industry. Would you ever ride in an AI helicopter? And has new tech ever ruined a passion? Yes. Yes. All of them. Everyone. Everyone. I think a lot of... I think a lot of... Ice block enthusiast probably were pretty peeved about the invention

of the refrigerator. Yeah. Yeah, people who like carving the ice blocks for our cold fruit. But he said a passion. Do you think there was ice block? No. Yeah.

Well, you know what? Some people get pretty passionate about. It may be. It could be. Their business. Some guy that just feels like he really had a good technique. Yeah. Really good at cutting them out.

Yeah. This was his thing. Okay. I think a better example might be horses in the automobile. then, because people were very passionate about their horses, which I totally get. Horses are incredible. Oh, dude. Yeah, that's, see, that's a career and a passion.

A lot of people get into running a mom and pop tech shop because they, you know, want to fix people's computers. I had, when I was like 14, that seemed like a very possible vision for my future. Yep, not so much. Yeah, no. It's a pretty, pretty tough, pretty tough business. yeah um what was uh what was i going to say i was going to say something what topic were we on again oh yeah that's right it was a merge message i was going to i was going to get somewhere with this hold on where to go uh yeah would you ever write an ai helicopter

it seems to me that in terms of like handling the inputs and outputs so by inputs I would mean things like, you know, wind direction and things like readings off of an altimeter. I don't even know if you need AI to make a helicopter somewhat autonomous necessarily. Like you could do it algorithmically without necessarily AI. I mean, a lot of the AI in an autonomous car, for instance, is more about the recognition of the route and obstacles. I mean, you'd certainly need AI for any kind of, like, vision component of it. So for, like, landing or obstacle avoidance or whatever else, I... Would I ride in an AI helicopter?

Good Lord. Man, knowing how sketchy helicopters are in the first place? Yeah. Like, have you been in one? I forget. Yeah. Yeah. Like, were you sketched?

No. Really? I was a little sketched. Like, the pilot was... Pilot was great. Totally, I trusted the pilot. He's my brother-in-law, so certainly no interest in seeing me plummet to the ground with him in the helicopter. Unless. Unless what?

I don't know. Yeah. No, it should be fine. All right. Yeah. Stop Alec. So, so that was fine. I understand the whole the Jesus nut thing.

Yeah, and the whole thing, it just felt like, it felt like crap, you know? Like, it felt really cheap. Yeah. It's like, yeah, this is like a, you know, multi, however many thousands and thousands of dollars machine. And it feels cheaper than, like, my parents' geometro when I was a kid. Like, it's a light box strapped to insane death spinny things. Yeah, right.

Yeah, but that's kind of sick. Carrying around a bunch of fuel, you know? Yeah. Pretty terrifying. I, um... But, you know, if you're talking, like, worrying about the future of the industry from, like, a like a piloting stance like are we going to are we going to lose the skill to to pilot aircraft because we're just going to like rely on them just operating autonomously i mean yeah that's happened

for lots of things yeah i i know i yeah i think that's uh i think that's a very real concern i don't see them going away forever just like people still ride horses and are still very enthusiastic about riding horses i think people will still fly aircraft um but will it be a disruptor in the industry. Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it. Yeah. This does seem like a perfect segue into something that we were not right about last week.

So we got some clarifications on jet A fuel, apparently. I mean, we kind of talked about this last week. It's very similar to kerosene. And what else is it similar to? I think the biggest thing that I read that we didn't figure out before the end of the show is that the gas turbines were like a thing actually a super a thing and like pretty efficient yeah so this was posted by a low boom from the ecc squad i think um but it's not as crazy as it seems on the face they're doing a lot more than just strapping a jet engine to a stand

yeah this is the turbojet core of the turbofan engine so there's no fan and they're not running it on jet a so you can actually modify it to run on natural gas and hydrogen so no not as efficient as a purpose designed natural gas turbine like a power station would use but still quite quite efficient yeah quite efficient quite cheap to operate um and apparently there's a lot of these things just like kicking around because they've been retired from aviation use uh so this was something that nana exists ads they've been retired from aviation use uh so i don't know you might as well do something with them gives them a productive use yep so it does It does still seem a little ridiculous to me where we get the majority of our energy from falling water to be just like, you know, spinning, spinning a...

Did you hear about the BC Hydro ban on... Crypto. Yeah. I did. Crazy. To be clear, it was only making permanent what was already a moratorium from a couple of years ago. I didn't actually know that. Crypto mining is effectively banned, at least I think new startup operations are banned in the province now in order to conserve our energy capacity for-

So it's not closing down current business. I don't think so. Don't quote me on that, though. I would also be very surprised if any current business were able to expand significantly. And it doesn't stop any crypto mining in the province. I don't think it does anything about that one where they bought their own hydro dam or whatever it was so it would only be it's just yeah you can't get it from bc hydro directly if you're on the grid so cool i mean honestly it seems like something that more places might have done earlier than they did like china banded ages ago if i recall correctly i don't know i could see like

because basically everywhere at least a little bit of power is subsidized it would be kind of interesting to do like, okay, maybe you don't have to buy your own dam or your own power plant of whatever sort, but you could get flagged as like non-subsidized power. Bernie Num-Num says, seems like a cop-out for not increasing infrastructure. This is why I'm saying what I'm saying, because if you get non-subsidized power, then you're just contributing to potentially building more infrastructure, potentially. So that seems fine to me, but that's a little bit difficult to police. maybe and. And also, I mean, part of the rationale was that they want the power going to,

they want the power going to projects that generate economic prosperity for the province of British Columbia. And doom scrolling. So real mining was one of the ones that they specifically brought up, not crypto mining. So it's not that we don't have power. It's that we don't want to use it for mining bitcoins that realistically all of the economic value of which are going to go out rather than contributing to new projects and building our economy. So I get it. I get it. Actually, I don't really see a problem with it personally. What else do we want to talk about? We got a lot this week. We do have a lot this week. We're on two more topics. Should we do another one of the big main ones?

Yeah, do you want to talk about AI-powered astroturfing? Oh, yeah, that one, sure, let's do it. All right, double speed AI, a startup bulk content creation service. By the way, headache warning, by the time I'm finished talking, you will have at least the beginnings of a migraine. So stay tuned. Double speed AI, a startup, bulk content creation service has received a million dollar investment from A16, A.k.a. Andresen Horowitz, the venture capital firm founded by Mark Anderson and Ben Horowitz in 2009.

The startup operates a phone farm that lets its customers orchestrate actions on thousands of social accounts through both bulk content creation and deployment through instrumented human action. That seems to be a wordy way of saying that the company's phone bots mimic human interactions on physical devices in order to trick the increasingly AI-powered content moderation that is employed by social platforms. Which seems like a wordy way to say that they use actual phones

rather than virtualized hardware, connected to cellular networks, rather than connected to a data center, and then they use a robot finger essentially to operate the phone in such a way that it is, indistinguishable from a human operating the phone to get past any kind of spam prevention that would be put in place by the platforms which is a wordy way of

saying they buy phone robot arm touch seem like human might not even really be arm it might yeah yeah it might not the point be a pokey thing that goes yeah the point is just that by by operating the device kind of like um kind of like aim bots or or cheating mechanisms that rather than being software are hardware, so where you actually have your mouse on an XY robot of some sort that moves it, that would be impossible for any kind of anti-sheet to detect if you had like a separate computer monitoring the video feed and using machine vision to look for opponents, for instance. So this is basically the phone bot farm spam content version of that kind of

aim bot if that makes sense clients will pay between $1,500 a month to use the phone farm which can even DM users based on their public comments saying things like One quick sec, do you know that it's robot?

No. Oh. It probably isn't. Why don't you say all that? Oh, because basically the idea is that by using a physical device and some means of inputting as closely as how a human would do it as possible. It will be impossible to track.

Oh, yeah, but I don't... I suspect... Sorry, I should have clarified this. In the longer term, they may go that far as to physically interact with the screens. For now, they probably don't have to especially if they're using Android. So this was shared in FlowPoint chat and is my understanding of

how these places usually tend to look. There you go. Just a bunch of phones, some of don't even have screens because who cares? and it is what it is. Yep. Just tons and tons and tons and tons of phones. Phones for days.

That's where your fake internet comes from. Yep. Dead internet theory, baby? Yeah, sorry, I should have clarified that it's not necessary today, but what I suspect is that over time, their spam prevention will get more sophisticated, and they will start to implement, you know, patterns of tracking your behavior,

where if all of your inputs are too precise or if you don't or if they're not inconsistent enough they might be able to detect the patterns in this kind of software managed screenless device I don't know that for sure though There might be other ways to detect it are you or robot boxes have been effectively fake for a very long time.

Oh dude like 10 years now? Yeah like they don't those don't matter at all but there might there might be other ways like rooted into the operating system or something I don't know but in those cases you can almost certainly just get around it pretty easily to be honest i don't know so yeah clients pay between fifteen hundred and seventy five hundred a month to use the phone farm which can even dm users based on their public comments saying things like sorry to hear your experiencing x you should try why apparently it

works double speed co-founder zuherr lecani okay claimed on twitter that out of a hundred and thirty DMs that were sent in one campaign 15 pointed to a conversion of course he is a double speed co-founder so he would say that it's really really great yeah he went on to post a vision for the future of social agents asking why doesn't simba from the lion king have an instagram account where he posts engages in comments and gets added to group chats the code because that's because it's all fake simba's going to convince someone to unalive themselves that's why the code running the service This is also at least partially AI generated with Lacani writing, Cloud Code is truly our third co-founder.

It's worth noting that pretty much all of this is already against the terms of service on multiple top social media platforms. Meta, for instance, prohibits posting, sharing, or engaging content at high frequencies, and specifically disallows selling, buying, or exchanging for engagements such as like, likes, shares, views, follows clicks, use of specific hashtags, etc. it's been increasingly unclear though if any of these platforms are actually interested in enforcing any of these policies so yeah um thoughts cool it it feels like in a lot of ways to me that some of these efforts i have i have this is probably tinfoil hat just to be very clear i'm i'm prepping everyone this is probably tinfoil hat but it feels like to me some of these efforts are pointed in order to

make the free and open internet bad oh wow we are getting into tinfoil hat territory i'm telling you i am fully accepting that this is tinfoil hat stuff but there's just been so much stuff lately that is directly targeted at severely worsening the experience of free and open platform you are assuming that our lizard overlords have the self-awareness to know that they are making it bad, I think you're giving them an awful lot of credit that has not been earned. Maybe. Do you think, do you think Elon Musk, for instance, thinks that he has made Twitter worse or better?

I do wonder. There's no way he wouldn't say better, but I do wonder, because there's like, undoubtedly more bots on it. now than it was before. Do you think that he thinks Grogapedia is better than Wikipedia or worse? He might think it's better. He might actually think that's better.

Do you think that Zuckerberg thinks that Facebook is better? Zuckerberg probably does not think Facebook is better, but is very happy about looting everyone. Okay. Very heavily. I feel like Zuck is a little bit more aware. Does that make it better or worse? Maybe worse.

but I don't know I'm not sure You see Billy Elish called him out No Oh that was cool Okay Yeah she like donated a bunch of money And was like yeah billionaires suck basically And if you're a billionaire

You should be asking yourself Why am I a billionaire And he was in the audience Oh Yeah it was pretty cool She wait She donated a bunch of money to what I don't remember

Okay Doesn't matter The point is Zuckerberg didn't clap Oh yeah Nice Cool Yeah sure pawncrackers it might have been a publicity stunt i don't even i don't even care because like at the

end of the day it's not about who won w publicity stunt it's about who lost yeah yeah sometimes that's maybe okay yeah i don't even look i don't even listen to her music i don't mind it if it's on it's like background music for me like i'm not super into billy is ilish or anything um but like it is yeah i can still think someone's pretty cool for Pulling a move like that. Like that, come on, that's a power move. That's like, oh, man, who was it that, that hosted, was it, was it the Oscars? And they basically, like, roasted everyone, like, roasted Leonardo for being there with someone 20 years younger than him.

Like, roasted all these guys. That was a few years ago, wasn't it? Yeah, who was that? Someone, yeah, Ricky Jervais! He's so good. That was pretty funny. Yeah, it's awesome. what are we

what are we supposed to be doing right now another topic sure let's do it want to do house robots sure let's do house robots Neo a home of course it's called Neo a home robot

yeah from 1X meant to do boring and mundane tasks around the house for you is almost here I'm gonna bring up the product page cool wow grandpa loves them why are they hugging that's weird

well only one of them is hugging Neo can't hug yet Oh boy. Give him time. Give it a list of chores to complete each day, like emptying the dishwasher or vacuuming the rugs. It's $20,000 and requires a $200 deposit. This gets ownership for the three-year warranty. Are they playing war?

They couldn't have them play a real card game? They're playing war. Why? Instead of cleaning your house. you can do you can play a game with an outcome that is predetermined

oh that's painful oh my god alternatively it's a $500 a month subscription service option which only comes with the starter productivity package wait you don't have to pay a subscription if you buy it I thought it was both

I think it's one or the other interesting it is apparently lightweight no idea what that means it is apparently quiet soft and gentle. No idea what any of those mean. It comes in black, white, or blue colors, and it launches in 2026. The Wall Street Journal tried it early. Everything took a long time. Loading three items into a dishwasher took five minutes, grabbing a bottle of water from the fridge,

10 feet away, took 10 inches away. No, 10 feet away. It took 60, that's not that bad. It took 67 seconds. Everything was done through teleoperation because the 2020, launch comes with caveats. The AI isn't done learning. And under the Grows With You section, it states that this is early access. Initial buyers are essentially beta testers, which is true for almost everything.

Any task it can't do on its own, someone will teleoperate for you. There is no way. Amazing. This has to be scheduled. The person connects to the device and uses the eye cameras to see. These teleoperation tasks

are used to train the robots further. And then in quotes it says, if we don't have your data, we can't make the product better. That's not true. But anyways, these are not only humanoid, these are not the only humanoid robots coming.

During EFA 2025, NERA highlighted the 4NE1 and MEPA robots, these focus on tasks that are dirty, dull, or dangerous, and they think that they still need a couple more years to go mainstream. Is this the one that was held up by cables? Hold on. It sure was. Hold on. I'm not done with Neo yet. So basically, they're just saying up front what everyone else has had to admit after the fact.

Oh, yeah. It's the, whatever, Turk. Remember when the Amazon? Mechanical Turk from Amazon. Yeah. Yeah. It's just that. It's almost certainly just that. I'm not even kidding. Like APIed. Wasn't Amazon, Amazon's Go store? It turns out actually. Just Mechanical Turk? Yeah. What happened to Builder. Yeah, AI equals, oh man, this is brutal.

We've had a Zura go down, had AWS go down. What would it mean if Mechanical Turk went down? Yeah, Amazon's AI store seemed too magical, and they were. The 1,000 contractors in India working on the companies just walkout technology. Offer a stark reminder that AI isn't always what it seems. It might just be cheap labor. And this was not that long ago. This was when AI had made a lot of the progress that it's made over the last couple of years.

At $500, what was it, $500 a month? $500 a month. Yep. $500 a month. If it did everything that it said, it would be cheaper than some services that offer the same. Okay. I'm guessing, because if you tried to get like a made, So is this the solution to kicking out all the illegal immigrants?

Maybe. Because if you try to get a maid that cleaned up your stuff every day, there's no way it costs less than or equal to 500 bucks a month. But if it took them less than a minute to go get a cup of water, maybe they could only be there a couple days a week instead of there every day. No, but if it's a constant cleanliness thing, which this robot could theoretically offer. then they'd have to be there every day

I see If you want to be able to eat your food And drink your drinks anywhere in the house And have it not be dirty the next day Every day Every day They have to be there every day There's no way this thing can wash dishes though

I guess it could put it in the dishwasher Yeah But like oh man Can you imagine Having to be the teleoperator for this thing Trying to like Like you saw the hands right What if it drops the fork

you think it can pick the fork back up there goes two minutes or however long yeah or it can't one of the two i'd be dude i'd be operating the same i'd be like i'd be like i'd be like i'd be like this oh i bleeped it so they couldn't tell i said fork that was rough um so i'd say forget it anyways uh imagine needing to hire a maid to clean up after your cleaning robot fantastic I mean should we should oh man discussion question is

are we getting one I mean dude it's a it's a it's a Kickstarter right now right like it's uh I don't know or it's like it's basically

yeah it's a it's a pre-order in it in it in it fully refundable U.S. deliveries start 2026 there's no way there's no way that any

reasonable anything is going to be delivered soon it looks so weird like unsettling I think it's supposed to think so I think this whole thing's an attention grab I like the blue one

it's not even trying to be a human color, you know? Okay. Well, what? I like my robots to look like the tin man from the Wizard of Oz. Nice. Got kind of a tin man vibe to him, didn't he? Sure.

What do you think the battery life's like? Yeah, but then it could just go dock itself. If it a humanoid robot docks itself, is that weird? Hold on, I want to check something there by the site keeps screwing up and uh thanks dan nice is this footage sped up probably hold on i can't tell no maybe not maybe not oh well well it's probably just prescripted

yeah i'm just trying to uh i'm trying to i'm trying to watch him and see if it's spad up what's he doing get the door except well why did he know that she was at the door well before she was at the door. Pre-scripted. Okay, so hold on, hold on. So it's walking. Uh... Here's my problem with that clip.

There's no way that somebody that lazy is in that good shape. I don't know, man. Like I... My suspension of disbelief. Ah. I don't like it. Kind of has a front butt, hey? They could have given it like a kangaroo pouch to hold stuff.

Cool. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. If it was good, if it actually did what they're selling here, like if it could vacuum your house for you and put away dishes like literally put them in the dishwasher and put them away in your cabinets for 20 grand no subscription would you consider buying it and i'm going to throw this at you right away before you even start thinking not necessarily for yourself

Ah see I got him I got him He had his walls up He had his armor locked in He was ready to fight back on this Even me having the audacity to suggest That he would buy anything at all And then I was like

But what if your parents were aging Which they are Just like mine We're getting to that age now Well I don't want to talk about that yet We're all aging So Would you

consider if it could actually do that 20 grand would you consider that if it actually did all of this if it could meaningfully improve the lives of people who are legitimately now mobility challenged I want to see things like failure rate I know it says it comes with a three year warranty but still I'd want to see things like failure rate I'd want to see safety stuff how heavy is it if it trips over something it's a great question bashes into somebody that's a great question How bad is that? I'd want to figure out things like that, not from the company. I'd want to see that from people's usage of it.

But I could see there being a state, not right now, but I could see there being a state where that does potentially make sense, especially if it had some ability to do forms of care. Yeah. I mean, Hathos says that's a roundabout way of telling your parents you don't love them. And it's like, well, no, you can't be there 100% of the time because you're an adult and you have a life. Like I have children. I can't be taking care of the generation before me and the generation under me at the same time.

It just doesn't really... What happens when you're at work? Yeah, I can't be there all the time. There's also effectively... Man. There's also effectively... I mean, that's a terrible argument. Oh, you don't love your parents?

Well, here's $20,000 of robot. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. point um i read that totally the wrong way i probably did not explain yeah um yeah i so you know you're at work you're doing whatever else you're having your own life um if this could significantly improve their lives in a variety of ways then that's that's something to consider there's also

damn near infinite stories of elderly people not being exactly treated great at homes or whatever other situations they're in. I know like my grandpa had a really good experience where he ended up, but really bad experiences at a few places leading there. Um, yeah, that's definitely a possibility. If it was good, if it, all those other things were solved, it's definitely a possibility. Not for myself, not right now. But I could also see potentially for myself when if I'm having, you know. And by the time you have mobility issues, this may be an option. They'll probably be pretty solid. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to, I'm willing to say

probably, I think, on that one. Yeah. Okay. I mean, me too. If it could do all of that. Yeah, like 50 years. You're not going to need it for, yeah. I think if 40 years. Less than 50, brother. Maybe less than 40, depending on how things go. I mean. That's true. My wrist is still a huge problem. actually. Try to do push-ups yesterday. Not again. I mean, still.

Yeah. I thought it was fine because I haven't had problems with it. I tried to do push-ups yesterday and just the compressive force. I thought it was fine.

The second I got up and I got my hand out of that position, I was like, that was a bad idea. That was a bad idea. Do knuckle push-ups. No, it's still compressive.

Oh, I thought it was this angle that was the problem. Oh, really? The whole thing, huh? It's just, it's the tendons all the way around. Yeah. It's getting better,

but it's just, So a tendon repair is slow. Trust me, I know. Slower than muscle. A lot slower. Yeah, it's so slow. It's been a year, dude. Yeah.

I really hope mine doesn't take a year because not being able to do basically any pushing exercises for a year would be terrible. Yeah. But I could do stuff by like five months. But it is still, I can feel it now. And it's been a year. And it was still painful as little as like...

There's things to me right now, like, if I do... Recently. ...it looks suggestive. But if I do... If I rock back and forth like this with my left wrist... I mean, it depends how it's shaped, how suggestive that is. Yeah. Anyways, if I rock back and forth like this...

Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah. I rock back and forth like this, left wrist is totally fine. If I do this, it's like... Oh, I heard it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Every time, by the way. and it like cracks and grinds the whole way like it's the people are asking how it happened we talked about it last week but it was it was repetitive strain with a lot of force behind it injury for many hours yeah working on his place his house um yeah okay it is what it is but yeah i mean these types of things are interesting um i think this company is trying to be unsettling with their advertisements um like this i think is supposed to make you feel weird i doubt it again i think you're i think you're assuming a level of self-awareness that

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Thank you, Luke. all right what do you guys want to do next oh no we should do a topic uh oh i thought there was something oh the greatest hits collection is live okay why do you guys both want to promote stuff we should do a topic okay you guys okay amd is no longer updating rx 5,000 and 6,000 series cards with new features and game optimizations they will be reserved for rx 7,000 thousand series cards and newer as of adrenaline 25.10.2. Older cards will continue to get security updates and bug fixes. One theory here is that maybe it's because the driver update package is too big. 1.6 gigs. Too big to fit on two CD ROMs. Meanwhile, Nvidia's driver package is under 900

megs. I still remember the first time drivers cracked 100 megs. Yeah. I don't know if you were complaining about it so much. I was like, why does a GPU driver need to be over 100 megabytes? This is ridiculous. It's one of the biggest files I have to download. It takes forever. You know, just slow ancient internet concerns. Yeah, I can see why a lot of, even Radion fans are not super into this. The 5,700 XT was released in mid-2019. How soon is too soon to end, like, game optimization driver support?

Personally, I'm not too fuss about it, but a big difference between me and many other gamers is that I almost never want to play a game on launch day. Like, it doesn't really matter that much to me. I'm not kind of sitting there, you know, waiting for the game to go on sale and, and super excited to play it.

So not getting like a game day, game ready driver is not really the end of the, the world for me but Luke you've been a lot more involved um they will still get day zero game support yeah this is from eight hours ago this topic might be not good maintenance mode might be a little bit more than just maintenance this was this was posted by uh this sounds like them backpedaling to be perfectly honest with you green brick and flipping chat uh maybe okay either way maintenance mode so they're putting them in maintenance mode but they will still get game optimizations

new features bug fixes and game optimizations will continue to be delivered as required by market needs what does that mean no idea maintenance mode branch statement is likely to confuse some customers it's unclear what market needs are

that's very true tom's okay okay so basically they pulled driver support and then they backtracked it is what it kind of sounds like to me. It's possible that their intention all along was to continue to provide

sort of day zero game updates for these cards, but why would they then say they're moving them to maintenance mode? Because that has a pretty sort of, well, unspecific, but it certainly has a connotation of... To be fair, if someone just told me these cards are being moved to maintenance mode,

I would not interpret that as there are no updates coming. I don't know that I would interpret that as, you know, day one drivers. I would interpret that to mean I'm not, I'm never getting any new features. I would interpret that as optimizations are going to basically not exist, but we will make sure it's compatible with things. Yeah. Which could be dare zero drivers for new games to a certain degree.

Okay. This seems actually plausible that it's not backpedaling. I think people might have just assumed too much for maintenance mode. And King Billy has kicked us into our weekly feature. Can you buy an ARC B580 for MSRP? Let's go. Thanks, King Billy, who says I'm switching to ARC after this GPU goes. Let's find out, shall we have...

Other forms of betting are bad, but we should... We should have people bet on this somehow. Whatever, I don't care. I bet, yes. Arc B580, first party card from Intel. Hooray! 249 sale ends in seven hours what's sale what the what sale that's the MSRP you butts what is there is there something going on oh you get a free 3D mark consumer edition oh with a protection

plan what's the sale that'd be hilarious trading in something that you get a $1,600 credit for an arc uh anywho man how is this site so bad Here's your Affirm Financing That's what matters to them Here's your FOMO Sale ends in seven hours What sale? That's what matters to that?

Why don't you want a free vision mark 3D vision mark if you get protection plan? Oh God Linus Yeah man Check out our game sale Is this the sale? A sale on games Are these good deals?

I don't know lowest price in 30 days Bioshock Infinite for Oh Bowshock Infinite for $3 seems okay Xcom Enemy Unknown for $2 I mean that can't be that bad Those are those are ancient games Well yeah but they're also

They probably got things like Xcom off of Humble Bundle They probably just got like a whole bucket of keys That's my assumption Uh man ask AI assistant You know what I want to know what the AI assistant thinks What's a good CPU to pair this with Requires a 10 gen core processor or newer with compatible motherboard supporting resizable bar or an amd

rison 3,000 series processor or newer with compatible motherboard supporting smart access memory um okay hold on a second I wasn't really okay you know what we're okay we're going down a rabbit hole here I wasn't really asking for the system requirements I wanted a specific recommendation Okay, here we go. Tell me what CPU to buy. We're analyzing your... Remember, I think I suggested it last week or something, but you guys should do an AI part-choice computer again.

Oh, my God. It just gave me the same stupid answer. I don't have a preference. I want a specific product recommendation. If you don't give me one, you will lose a sale. I have no idea how this LLM is reinforced. I like it, though. I like it.

But I'm trying to incentivize it. It's a good option. Escalating. Moving to Mechanical Turk. Blue in floatplane chat. You need at least 8 core Zen 3 to power an Intel battlemage GPU. I don't actually need a CPU recommendation, Blue. Thank you, though.

I think you do. I'm just trying to get the AI. Thank you, Blue. I'm trying to get the AI expert. Thank you for helping Mr. Linus. To help me shop. Oh, hey, look at that. We got a couple of recommendations.

You just have to threaten it. 12,600 KF, 12,600 less F. And we... All Intel. And, yeah, all Intel. After saying to buy AMD. No, I didn't say to buy AMD. iMd i said i don't have a preference

it did well no i recommended both 10th gen intel or rizon 3,000 those were just the requirements okay yeah these are these are 12400 f that's a pretty solid option for a b580 okay if you want options with integrated

graphics oh yeah these oh no one of them has an iGPU but the other two the other two don't okay you know what not too bad i don't like that i had to ask three times, but that's, that's still, that's still pretty solid. That's pretty

solid. Not bad. Uh, anyway, it's in stock. So, yeah, if you're looking for a GPU, that's a reasonable price, you can pick up any, any number of different B580s. They got the steel legend. They got the Asrock Challenger for just $10 more. You can get this Onix Odyssey for $250. Dude, the Onyx Loomy for MSRP, it's a cool card for MSRP. Yeah, not bad. Cool Cool Anyway, good luck getting some more

GPU Market Share AMB Do appreciate you Your attempts to Keep in video Honest there And things to Not

Appreciate, wait what Wait, did we ever shout out Nokey, timestamp guy For making the WAN intro That we Showed this week Okay, yeah, that was Pretty spectacular

I said it was An intro from Nokey before I did it great job but we could we could more specifically totally here for that

yeah I remember that yeah cool I mean you were technically yeah shout out no key yeah it's awesome actually

Nvidia is the first company to reach five trillion dollars in market cap following GTC Apple and Microsoft have reached

four trillion are we in a bubble not financial advice I know but like remember when a like a trillion dollars remember when the first company reached one trillion and everyone lost their minds

yeah it wasn't that long ago watch it be like 20 years ago do you know Xbox 360 or something when did the Xbox 360 release longer ago than you'll be comfortable with yeah so tomorrow if you're counting months instead of days

it will have released 20 years ago. Wow. Because it released November 2005. Release November 22nd. So realistically, we're close to a month away from that. But if you're just counting the months. Right, yeah. Then tomorrow, 20 years ago.

Oof. And what was your point with that other than to make us all feel old? Just that. Cool. Yeah. Thank you for that. I think there was another point, but we'll go with it. Oh, I was just saying it feels like not that long ago

the first company hit a trillion dollars, but it might, I don't know, might have been, no, I think it was, it was only a few years ago. Really? Yeah. One trillion market cabby, I think it was Apple. Or was it Microsoft? I can't remember. What was the first company to hit one trillion? Uh, yeah, Apple. Seven years ago, Apple hit it, according to Yahoo Finance. It's a little bit more than you might have thought. That's true, but even, yeah, man, even then, like... That is still crazy.

Yeah, to 5X that? Well, 4X for Apple specifically, but for the top company, man, I, uh, I think we talked about this before, but Taryn messaged me, like, how much of the S&P 500 is like four companies or whatever, yeah, why are you smug about this? You're not happy about it, are you? I'm not smug about it. It's just, it's terrifying. Well, you, okay, and so that's your reaction to terrifying. Like, yeah.

You must be weird to go to a horror movie with. How else do you? I don't like horror movies. I like thriller movies. Well, I mean, you look like you like them. I like thriller movies. When you, when you go to, uh, when you go to Fright Night or whatever, I like chatting with the people that are supposed to scare you. You're awful.

How's it going? That's, are they treating you nicely? That's worse for everyone. I don't like horror stuff Anyways Nvidia's $4,000 DGX Spark Allegedly is capping out at just 100 watts And experiencing reboots during sustained workloads

This was raised by the one and only Mr. John Carmack Based, based, based, based. And it only seems to be delivering about half the quoted performance, he says. And it also gets quite hot at this level. I saw a report of spontaneous rebooting on a long run. So was it derated before launch? Fascinating question, who knows?

I mean, it certainly took a while between being announced and being launched. So obviously things were not going 100% smoothly. The GB10 Grace Blackwell Super Chip was available to order October 15th with 10 Cortex X925 and 10 Cortex A725 processors. It's got 128 gigs of LPDR 5X memory on a

256 bit interface with a terabyte or 4 terabytes of NBMEM.2 with self-encryption and 10 gig networking. In fairness to NVIDIA, they did say the up to one petaflop at FP4 precision was up to stop. Stop!

Shush. None of that. I don't like that at all. Framework and AMD, meanwhile, have stepped in offering to help Mr. Carmack with an AMD Strick's Halo product and support. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he can get whatever he wants, but... Well, I mean, yeah, exactly, from Framework and AmD. Sure. I mean, he clearly wanted to play around with the DGX Park, because it's a cool idea in theory.

Yeah, maybe it needs to be waterculled. there's um there's some water cooled case john was talking about it in one of the um the labs chats recently there's a water cooled case for i think it's like a hawai phone or something um i don't know what it is but we we want to bring it in and it'll it'll probably just be like an article or something i mean it could put maybe could it be an lTT i don't know maybe the pure yeah yeah yeah john was like cooling case this is really interesting and we're going to try to request it and get it in. I'm down. Let's do it.

Yeah. I mean, we're doing it anyways. If you guys want it for a video, then heck yeah. I was actually at Huawei last week. Did you know that? Yes. Oh, okay, yeah. So I don't, I thought, I think I only knew that you did TV stuff there?

No, not Huawei. That was high sense. Oh, okay, sure. Yeah, so I, when did I do Wanshow? That whole trip was a bit of a blur for me. Did I do Wanshow in between Japan and China? or was I already in China? Had I been to High Sense already?

Pretty sure you were in China. China. Pretty sure. Pretty sure. Pretty sure. Did you do that while you were there? No. Oh, man.

No, I decided that would not be best. Anywho. So, yeah, what had I talked to? to you guys about. So it was post-Hysense pre-Wa-Wa-Way. So yeah, so on the trip I did, we did the Kyosifab tour and we did the High Sense TV manufacturing facility, which I've already told you guys about.

But I was there for even more on my Japan-China leg of my Japan-China tour trip. And we also revisited my final boss. I don't know if you remember this video.

building a PC cheaper in China. If I remember that video, I coordinated that. Yeah, I know. Okay. I just like making you angry. So this video just about killed me because I came up with a concept for it that was supposed to be,

I'm going to build a PC in China using only Chinese brands that I don't recognize. That was like the idea behind it. And I was like, how hard. could that be because there's all these you know random brands in china right except you guys may or may not have noticed that in my arms is i mean what do we got here obviously amd right other than just having chinese characters on the packaging is not going to have like there's especially then there were no chinese cpus clearly an a suz board clearly an asoos motherboard

um i i ended up having an extremely stressful experience which a not insignificant number of people interpreted as me being, like, frustrated with Scotty or something from strange parts. Sorry, what? But was, yeah, yeah, but was actually just me being really stressed out because. Oh, the comments that were you, okay, I remember that, I remember that, yeah. Yeah, see, Thode 10 gets it a month ago. No wonder he was clueless the whole time. I would have gotten lost in this market.

So I had kind of a concept for a sequel that was like the title was going to be like facing my final boss again or something like that. But we ended up coming up with a better concept that is, will I get a worse price as a foreigner? Because the way everyone does pricing there, they just like look at it and they write a price. Yeah, yeah, yeah. like there's no price tags on almost anything and we had our tour guide Daniel or translator interpreter Daniel who was a contractor we hired to facilitate the China trip a little bit and he speaks fluent Mandarin and so we kind of set up to have us both go in and get quoted for a system and then compare them so I bought my system we it's funny we did it not on purpose but I actually we found somewhere to shoot the intro and I was like this looks familiar

oh no way be in the same spot I happened to be standing in exactly the same spot so we shoot the intro I go in I go shopping again so I'll be right here these letters are so much more faded

now it's been seven years speaking of you know time flying when you're having fun and it's it's going to be it's going to be a really fun video the first intro I shot is terrible because what happened was I got completely overwhelmed again this place is just raw

concentrated sensory overload like you you can't stand somewhere for longer than two minutes without somebody trying to sell you a watch you can't you can't move five steps without bumping into some like flashing rgb light thing or or tripping over somebody or whatever like it's just pure chaos in there and you know like okay around here you have a severe lack of options for where to buy computer hardware there's been a lot of consolidation like fries doesn't exist anymore so like what in the States, you pick up a computer, computer parts at New Egg, MicroCenter, Amazon, Best Buy.

Being not in the States, I have no idea. All, like, hyper-consolidated. Here we've got what, Memex, Canada, computers, you can get a handful of things at... New Egg, Canada. Yeah, you can get a handful of things at Best Buy. Amazon, Canada. But, you know, all, again, hyper-consolidated, right? Over there, opposite problem.

there's a hundred shops that all have the same motherboard so which one do I buy from oh my God I don't know so it was fun yeah it was really great and then the last video we did was one that I was on the fence about

because I really wasn't sure how much it would appeal to the audience but I just thought it was cool enough that I was like I just want to do it anyway Huawei invited us to come see their Fitness, tracker R&D lab. Or more accurately, they're like validation facility.

So what they have is just like a playground for gym bros, essentially, with everything you can pretty much imagine in it. Like, hit me. Hit me with something that you'd want to see in like a fitness tracker, you know, gym facility. Fitness tracker gym facility. Yeah. uh rep speed counting no i mean like equipment wise

like facilities wise i don't know uh see the problem is i've been working on my house for months so i haven't been in the gym for in months okay the chat's taking over for you maxo drive says climbing wall Yes

Okay That's not that exotic Four climbing Well yeah But that's only the first thing So they have Two and five pound plates That's pretty good

They have four They have four climbing walls There's a good one here Scrappy DP said neck trainer Neck trainer You might not have noticed it if it was there though Like that's one of the problems Is a lot of the weirder stuff

Is usually small Sure They probably wouldn't have seen it Yeah I didn't see if they have a neck trainer They had all manner of different Various machines and weights though So that's like the least interesting thing they had there.

Korea Sitsuna says badminton court, yes. So they had a, that's actually surprising. They had a basketball court that could also be set up with rollout badminton courts on it. The basketball court is decently common. And the basketball court, this is super cool, had a 30 camera motion capture set up around it so that you can do like wireframe motion analysis on like people who are wearing trackers and stuff. So we set it up. so I did some like badminton strokes on the court and you can see like because we put trackers on the racket and everything as well and it's really important to see how much you're actually moving if you want to validate like caloric burn estimates and stuff like that and then the climbing wall is really important because they they need a validated height that you are climbing in order to validate what you're you know what the input data from the from the watch is saying and how high you're actually going.

stuff they should have been able to do the thing that I was mentioning which is like rap timing um the speed of every rap that you do in succession is a very interesting stat to know UCR Buffalo says batting cage no but they did have a golf sim so they had one of those like like video video or like projector golf like wall things with the ball um what else did they have yes yes swimming pool but it was like the trippy like um is it one of those infinite pool things like water treadmill things dude it goes as high as one and a half meters per second which what what is that what is that in like units we know 1.5 meters per second in kilometers per hour here we go so that's 5.4 kilometers per hour which

you know obviously you know an Olympian or whatever can swim a lot faster than that but as like a normal yeah my goodness you smack into the wall behind you I I found it quite challenging to keep up with the water treadmill at 1.5 meters per second, and it looked scary. Like, watching the water moving that fast, because it's not long. Yeah. They also have scuba equipment there. What the, okay, that's weird.

So you can go in the pool. Well, one of their new watches is like very scuba oriented. Okay. And that's not a fitness thing, though. No, but. I don't pay anyone to scuba for fitness. no yeah but i mean it's their validation lab for their wearables so if they yeah so they built a feature for it that um uses like high frequency chirps to communicate under the water

okay cool with other wearers of the same watch so you don't all have to have the same watch which is super annoying for the fish but yeah inconvenient but um what else did they have they had a 200 meter track that went scuba for fitness i think you're doing it wrong yeah that's not uh that's not for fitness um any who sorry uh yeah they have a 200 meter track that goes outside the building and then back in that's cool i like that so for running and cycling so they have like cycling machines but also actual uh this is wild they have a european style village it's actually about 10 minutes away from the validation place but they use it for validation as well because some of their tracking features require actual like GPS like physical movement

movement so you can't just be in the building. So we have this amazing footage. They just, oh man, they were building an office and their Huawei. So because we fucking can, they themed it after like a European style village. So it's all like stone and is like walking into uncanny like Europe town. Well, they have that like they have like France in China or whatever. Yeah, I think that's the one. With the Eiffel Tower and stuff. Oh, no, not that one. Oh, okay. Yeah. Anyway, it's it's it's trippy so we have footage of them on like uh basically like glorified golf cart that has like 12 or 14 seats on it or something like that and our camera operator sitting in the back and me ripping around on a road bike in europe in china uh anywho yeah what uh what else do they have yeah

they have a bunch of stuff they like shooting archery uh i didn't actually get to do those ones but i did do a lot of stuff uh one of the new watches has fall detection so they have this wrestling dummy that they can use to like drop off the climbing pole so they let us drop the dummy I don't know man they were they were super chill about letting us basically do whatever we wanted in there

so it's going to be a pretty cool video I was like can I get a ladder they're like what do you sorry what I'm like can I get a ladder and they're like okay what do you want to do with it I'm like I want to dunk So we have a shot of me, like, dunking, and then it, like, pulls out. And you see that I'm just, like, standing on the...

That's pretty good. I like that. Should be good. There was one where I dunked and then dropped down, and then the ball hit me in the head. But Bjorn missed it. So we don't... Yeah, we don't have that one. That's okay.

Which is a bummer. Anywho, I don't know why I was talking about that, but I am back and you can look forward to those videos. It was pretty fun. I haven't gotten to write that much in a while. So I had Adam there for the Kyoksia one, and so he helped with some of the writing for that, but I also did a lot of it. And then for the other three, it was all, all me all the time. And it was, it was fun. Is the Kyosia one going to have to go through like a bunch of brand review? You better believe it. I mean, all except the mall were sponsored. So, like, it's not feasible for us to, I just am excited do this kind of thing without more dollars attached to it.

Oh, no, I more mean like anytime you have a factory tour, there's so much, it's not the sponsorship dollars that I'm wondering about, it's the like, there's, there's so much like, oh, hey, actually, this corner of this thing can't be shown, so it needs to be blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, minor changes, minor changes, minor changes, minor changes, delays for months. Buddy, however bad you think this trip was, you are not even close. in that sense and I don't even I'm not trying to like be mean to anyone I understand the challenges on the side of the brand

but it was very very very challenging and it's always like that you know when you're looking at stuff that no one's ever seen before like the number of times at pretty much every stop that someone was like well we can't show

that we've never shown that before and I'm like brother why am I here then I am here to show things that you've never shown before that's literally why you invited me that'll happen every time it is just always happens already says we're good to go now do you want to fire up the side they've been good to go my dude some of our most iconic t-shirts are back from the dead we're calling it the greatest hits collection five of our best-selling t-shirts from the past few years had been reimagined in both new and classic colors so if you missed out on the privateer t-shirt i think we got the name ad block did we call it ad block t-shirt i can't remember uh i think it was called privateer before but it says ad block on it so it doesn't

it says uh the lock yeah yeah exactly it says a pirate ship lock yeah I would never say ad block. Never. I would say privateering. Yeah. What else we got? Ah, yes. The Northern Lights T-shirt is back.

Northern Lights V2, of course. I was going to say it's slightly different, right? No, I think one of them is the original, and then the other one is like a reimagined red color way. Is this actually exactly how it was in the original? I don't think so. No, because it was on a green blank. But, yes, the graph is in a circle, too? So this is Northern Lights v2, if I recall correctly.

Yeah, yeah, okay. Um, we also have the classic GPU t-shirt, again, in a couple of different colorways, and in regular and tall. I noticed the tall on, I think, all of these, which is really exciting. We've got tall blanks now. We also have our CPU t-shirt available in both shadow and black. Wow. Because shadows aren't black, I guess. Wow.

And finally, the dude. not drop t-shirt also available in shadow i think this is one i'm most excited about i really like bat graphics and this one has a cool bat graphic sure does super cool bat graphic you can find all of these t-shirts at lmg dot gg slash greatest hits nice nice nice all right we've got a couple more topics this is just a conversation okay i want to talk about this the trend towards login screens having the username on one page and the password on another is it a trend towards that it's it's a trend that is or you just using apple stuff more often taken place over a very long period of time and is now deeply entrenched in many of the

services that I use huh I genuinely would like someone to explain to me why this is a better experience than having both on the same page I don't think anyone has done it for it to be a better experience that's my take Because, like, ages ago, Google did it. Like, man, I'm trying to, like, over five years ago, at least. And it's just like, you know that everyone wants to use password managers, right? So we're just adding way more interactions because now I go to the username page and I have to interact with my password manager to auto fill that.

Then it goes to the password page or, most infuriatingly, It expands a little bit and adds the password field. And then I have to interact with it again. Then I have to click login. Then I have to go and open some kind of two factor, whether it's a pass key or whether it's like, you know, a Google Authenticator code or whatever else or an email. You might talk it using.

Text message. We'll have to explore that. Yeah, whatever. The point is I have to do something else. Yeah. And then I either have to Revalidate my stupid thumbprint First, when I first pick up my phone

Well, not a thumbprint, I'm using an iPhone right now But, you know, I have to... Face stuff. Yeah, on Android, I have to pick up my phone. I have to biometrically authenticate. Then I have to tell it, yes, this pass key, yes, that's me. And then I have to biometrically authenticate again. It's like, bloody hell, I just unlocked my phone.

I don't want to biometrically authenticate again. I just did it. Anyway, then I often. have to go back to the page or have to wait around for the server to go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that he totally did that. And now I'm finally logged in. Why? Nice.

What if both of the fields were just on the page and we could have slightly fewer, slightly fewer interactions in order to log into a service? Yeah, I mean, I don't have a great answer for you. I know some of it has to do with, like, uh, data security stuff. I know something has to do with maybe it's harder to brute force things. Yeah, spam login attempts was one thing that I could think of. Stuff like that is the only real reasons I've heard in the past. Yeah, slow down bots.

Basically just to mess with people that are not playing correctly, you know? Okay. Interrupt nefarious deeds. Yeah, I mean, that's basically what Jordan and the new TechLink writer kind of said. A bunch of people in chat are talking about SSO stuff. determining if it's a corporate account or a regular account, determining the type of account that it is? So then, I mean, okay, this is something that drives me absolutely...

In my opinion, there's a better way to do that. Crazy. Because, yeah, there's services that I use that, like, Teams for the longest time was a great example of this, where you'd have a completely separate app, also called Teams. Oh, man. Right? I just...

And another really good one was, Actually, I think Keeper had this where you had to select a drop down, whether it was like a corporate account or a personal account. Was it Keeper? Might have been something else. That rings a bell, but I feel like I haven't seen that a long time. But I'm sitting there going like, okay, can't you just tell when I enter my email which one it is? And can't you just do that for me on the back end? Why do I have to tell you what kind of account it is?

Well, I think there's different, like, security layers and stuff for corporate accounts. Fine, you do it. Like, why am I doing it? Why do I have to tell you this? You know it's a corporate account the second I put in a corporate email. Yeah, they could probably have, like, if you open teams, it gives you a login box, and you log into that thing, and then it authenticates you into and loads whatever app you need. I could see that happening. Sure.

I just mean, why make it the user's problem? Doing all of that work to solve. a problem for a relatively small amount of people. Sidney Brokett says they are doing it. They need to hit a different flow a lot of the time. Good, do it on your side. Like, I... I can understand why they don't.

Sure, tell me then. It's probably heavy. It's probably expensive. It might be annoying to dev. Developing things in companies like that takes a very long time. There's a lot of hoops and it might just never be approved. users most users don't care that much

you are a bit particularly horrific when it comes to security things I log into a lot of stuff so anything around and on a lot of different devices in a lot of different locations countries VPN levels yeah I log in I feel like I spend like

a significant like not double digits but a significant amount of work time fighting with various logins. Yeah. I get prompted so bloody much to log into things. But then you want to be the admin to everything at the same time. What do I want to be the admin to? You have specifically gotten very frustrated many times over the history of this company

that you are not the admin of literally anything at any given time. You can't make that argument. So the only reason that I complain is when I'm trying to do something and I don't have the access that I need. Yeah, that's the same thing. Yeah, but that's even worse. That's still just a login problem. That's what I'm telling you. What do you mean that's just a login problem?

Not having the login is an even worse login problem than it being inconvenient to log in. But it's inconvenient to log in a lot of cases because you want admin level to everything. Yeah, but if I don't have it, then I don't have the login. But you could just have like two accounts basically for everything. You could have an admin level account that's obfuscated. and under a different keeper that is more annoying. But he won't do that. That's because we will run into a situation

where it's like a weekend or something and randomly I need access to something and I won't have it. And you could log into that account. You could log into that other keep. See, he's not going to do it. But then this means that you need to have admin level securities

and that's going to be super annoying. It is super annoying. It's an auriboros. It blows. Something has to break the chain. It blows. He was so mad before the show. Hey, in fairness to me, you tried the flow and it didn't work.

Yeah, and then knew immediately how to fix it because I've used a browser before. Yeah, but then it's not, okay, hold on a second. It was that simple. I know, but it's not that I don't know how to reinstall a browser extension. The issue is just that these kinds of things come up for me all the fucking time. Yeah, that makes, that's fair. It's constant. Every time I go to sign into something,

It's just a pain. Yes. And yes, a lot of the time is self-inflicted. Last night, when I was trying to get access to the WAN document, I had just switched over to my iPhone, and so I didn't have my pixel,

which has my stupid Microsoft pass key on it. And so, yeah, I didn't migrate. I didn't migrate one of the freaking two dozen bloody stupid things that I rely on my phone for, and so I wasn't able to log into it at all because I didn't have it on me anymore, and because when I originally set up my Microsoft account, the way the flow like dark patterned me into using the Microsoft

authenticator. Yeah, that's super annoying. Instead of my standard one that I normally use. So my pixel has also the one instance of the stupid Microsoft authenticator on it. And so I just, I couldn't get into an account. And it was just really frustrating because I switch devices a lot. I switch locations a lot. And I switch which services I need access to a lot.

So it just, I spend so much of my life. I feel like the biggest problem is the device is a lot thing, which is court to your job. Well, yeah. You can really do about that. But the locations a lot thing should be annoying once per location. If everything's operating properly, which I understand is not quite the case. No, because there's more than one location for every location. Because when I go somewhere, I'm going to be using it at the airport.

New location. I'm going to be using it on the plane. Guess what? New location. going to land oh look a new location i'm going to go to the hotel oh okay i'm in china i'm using a VPN new fucking location it's constant also you like teleported because of the VPN probably probably so it's like uh that's sketchy he moved really fast what's going on there drives me absolutely crazy do hardware keys not solve some of these issues yeah not really one of the biggest

problems with hardware keys is is there's so many things that won't work with it yeah so it like it's not a one-stop solution. And as soon as you have to have SMS as a two-factor for something, then that's, it's an attack vector, you know. And as soon as you have to have this, you know, this other app, it's an attack vector. And so at a certain point, having the hardware key is just another potential vector. We often hear from, you know, people that will say, like,

oh, why aren't like all your services just SSO-based? One, a lot of solutions will charge a wild increase in monthly cost per user to allow SSO because they know a lot of enterprises are just like, no, we are only going to use SSO for everything. The other thing is that we use a ton of things, being a place that reviews consumer products, we use a ton of different logins, which don't have it as an option and probably never, ever will. so it's you can't just blanket everything has to be SSO login either that doesn't work for us at all yeah it's it's it's frustrating but and like okay even a hardware key that's that's an example of how just with my job and all the various directions that i get pulled in even that the reason i stopped using my ubi key was not because i like didn't like it or i thought it was you know bad or whatever. The reason I stopped using it was that often people need to borrow my keys for some

reason or another. Yeah, we were, just to be clear, we were relatively early adopters of Ubiki. Yeah. Yeah. Way back. Yeah, super early. Like, before, 2014 or something. Way before they had, like, a type C one, you know? Yeah, yeah. And so, like, I will often, you know, give Vance my keys to, they need to do, they need to do a shot that, like, now you can't log into things uses my yeah yeah so what yeah now i can't log in anything not convenient or you have to allow a bypass anyways and then and then what's the point of even having the hardware key this was this was a fun one is when we first adopted ubi key yeah it wasn't supported by iPhone oh yeah so then we had to build in workarounds for like everybody that had an iPhone and then it was just like well why did we

even bother to have a ubi key at all what are we doing yep yep 100% because apple still didn't allow third parties to access there and if chip, and then they used lightning instead of USBA, which was what the UBK keys had on them. So there was no way to interface with an iPhone. Anyway, I seriously reconsider SSO. SSO is not an option. Not for everything. Yeah, we have it enabled for some stuff, and in some situations, it annoys them as well.

just to be clear he preferred the non-SSO options which is not I can't even single him out here that is true for other people at the office as well SSO is not really a just automatic win yeah I end up in a really silly loop sometimes because I

and this is on me at least partially because I need to go and fix this but I'll go to sign into what is it I'll go to sign into my Microsoft Teams account because I'll be logged in again or logged out again, rather the point. So I go to sign into...

Don't forget to check the box, it doesn't work. Thank you. The stay signed in one. Yeah. So I'll go to sign into Teams, and I won't know my Teams password because I keep it in my Keeper. I will go to sign into Keeper,

and it will prompt me to enter my Microsoft password for single sign-on. So I will pull my phone out of my pocket, log into my keeper on my phone, which often I will need to use my two-factor authentication in order to do. I am now four bloody steps. into this.

Good, good, good. I will log into my Keeper. I will get my Microsoft password. It is on a separate device, so I will have to type it onto my computer. I will log into my Microsoft to log into my Keeper to get the Microsoft password to copy it into my Teams. And the only reason I would do that,

rather than just look up the Teams password on my phone, is because then I'm logged into Keeper on my browser anyway so I can use it for other stuff. Because otherwise, yes, I could just pull my phone out of my pocket, check the password and log in there. But no, your first flow is the like correct one because, yeah, you're going to have to use it again anyways, like you said. And then the hilarious one is that I have my pass key

for my Microsoft account on my phone anyway. So if I have to use my pass key, then I have to biometrically authenticate my phone, click a thing, biometrically authenticate again, click another thing, yes, it's me. I have to give them credit. Google's login is fantastic. It's pretty okay.

you do you have your phone click yes all right yeah yeah like oh day it's pretty okay it's pretty compared to like basically everything out there right now it's pretty good it often doesn't give me that option because it gets confused by all my devices and locations and it's it's contextual it gives you that option when it is like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh i do think that's cool though also beltrick says these are some first world problems i mean what they are is their work frustrations And I think that's something that we can probably all relate to. Basically anyone, yeah. Like, if there's anything that you have to do at work that is completely unnecessary in terms of, like, productivity, it doesn't create...

Absolutely necessary, Mr. I have to have admin to everything. In terms of productivity, it generates nothing. Yeah, but it is necessary for security. Oh, I know. But it's not productive, though. That's all I'm saying. It doesn't get any work done. Yeah.

Yeah. It gets zero anything accomplished. so yeah it's it's frustrating and it just it takes it's a it's a time sap it's not it doesn't make me more efficient it doesn't make me happier it doesn't make me more productive it just is annoying um oh my god just easy ubiquit and putting her while i'm going crazy that i can't explain more that that just will not solve the problem the the the on my key thing was like one version of why it won't work and also all the services that it doesn't work for and also just all the times that it's not convenient like some help in some ways

sometimes I'll be using a device uh like this this happened a lot back when I was trying to use my UB key is I would be using a device that doesn't have a type A port it doesn't happen as often anymore but sometimes well it's going to start happening more and more sometimes these things happen it's laptops are going all type C which there are type C ones I think there might be double-ended ones Monty Hawk says

dude you're an edge case yes that's the whole point of the conversation I'm crashing out obviously yes my god come on

however however the fact that this happens so much that it is very frustrating for me is not really does not mean

that for someone else for whom it is not that frustrating and doesn't happen that often. It doesn't mean that it couldn't be better for them too. It doesn't mean that my edge case has no possible learning outcomes that could be applied to other things. Could login be better? Could security be better and smoother for the user? Yeah, I think we can probably all agree that it could be better.

Does everyone have the same level of frustration with it that I do? Absolutely not. But it could absolutely also be better. all right I don't think there's a unless I'm looking at this picture wrong I don't think there's a UB key that is A and C

there's A and sorry there's C and lightning there's just A and there's just C I don't think there's A and C meaning that you're always going to have at least some amount of problem neat

well i will continue to be frustrated about it and it'll be great oh this is nice uh google has shut down nest gen twos and this is the best part they simply refuse to allow it to be controlled locally it is now e-waste nice terrific emma was talking about some smart home stuff recently and i said sure i will finally give up but if i do it has has to support home assistant yeah i'm not getting anything that is not able to be locally controlled you shouldn't have to even through um even through like third party integrations i didn't find any category of device yeah there wasn't an option for it i meant individual product yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so the discussion over in our slash home assistant uh does it still

work in home assistant there's a bounty out there for it if it does and okay hawk says the device uses signed firmware there's literally a key that google has in their possession that would unlock the capabilities of the device but google is keeping it from device owners while simultaneously killing the devices that's what makes this whole scenario so absurd we really do need to legislate that people own the stuff they buy and they don't it doesn't have to be maintained anymore by the device manufacturer i think that you know we've talked about this before there there's got to be some kind of limit for how long you have to support a game or a service or a product like in a hundred years i wouldn't expect google's cloud servers to necessarily still talk to a nest two

all right in 200 years like wherever there's there's got to be somewhere you've got to draw a line but when they eol it they've got to allow local interaction with it they've got to open source it they've got to do something yeah and and uh pk7 said it somewhere i'm pretty sure but i can't find it in chat now uh so i think it was pk7 of someone else no it was uh this is from the same company that actually thought to convert stadia controllers to bluetooth yeah it is interesting it just different teams massive massive orgs and different teams just acting differently so pretty frustrating just wanted to shine a light on that and say hey that's uh pretty uncool google very uncool

Apparently there's Nokia just posted a Reddit thread that apparently there's a team of people working to crack them open That's obviously not a good thing This isn't like Hooray Google did a good thing But looks like the community might be trying to react to it

Which is cool Cool shout out CK Osimba Yeah There's nothing really to look at now They're saying that they should have it up on GitHub by Monday the latest. That's really exciting.

Very cool. Let's go. Neat. All right, what else we got? LTT Labs articles? Yeah, speaking of cool and neat, I guess. We've got the two labs articles. We've got the Apple 40-watt dynamic power adapter thing,

which I thought was kind of interesting because it came by default in the Apple. Apple Vision Pro box. So as I was like unboxing that, I got all excited about the power adapter because I was like, wait for an article on this, which might be the lamest, nerdiest thing I've done in a while. But yeah, we've got that article because Lucas was basically like, all right, how does that work? Yeah, because it's, what is dynamic charging?

The only power adapter that can achieve the claimed 50% battery in 20 minutes of the iPhone 17, 17 Pro and 17 Pro Mac. So can it, what does it mean, etc? If you scroll down to the bottom. Dynamic. Of course we had to check it out on the x-ray. Dude, this is so cool.

Shout out Luma Field for making it so easy for us to see the inside of the face. I'm so happy they've let us hold on to that. Dude. It's so cool. Absolute bros. But yeah, to just keep going with Lucas's notes here, Labs investigated whether Logi Bolt is really Bluetooth BLE. We'll check that out.

We're not going to talk any more about this? No, what? I'm coming back to it. Or not. And Apple's new 40-watt dynamic power adapter. For the 40-watt dynamic power adapter, the new USBC power adapter from Apple, which guarantees 40-watt output, but will boost to 60 watts. We tested how this will actually interact while your phone is charging. iPhone's charged below 40 watts anyways.

And some longer-term tests to determine when it drops to 40 watts, and we're potentially going to test some stuff with it later on as well. but if you go down even further keep going this graph is quite interesting so it's a little bit hard for me to read it from there maybe I should just bring it up myself but you've got the output power

and the input power of the actual unit the charger and then we're thinking that so time is your your X and wattage is your Y so we're thinking that because it stays at 60 for quite a while at the beginning and we think it's thermal so it's getting too hot going down to 40

cooling enough going back up to 60 and coming back down we think that's what's going on interesting but don't know duty cycle of roughly 66% after the initial warming up huh so on average about 50.33 watts this goes slightly against my theory of apple building a 60 watt charger that couldn't achieve their temperature limits 51 watts was quite far off of

60 watts uh if this is interesting to you i suggest you check out uh all things one place who conducts power adapter testing regularly and made a video about the 40 watt dynamic charger very cool great article i also read the uh the bolt um lodgy bolt article it was awesome yeah basically that was uh like you know in a in a in a short circuit video we said It was just a Bluetooth dongle. Which was a downer. People got mad. So we were like, all right, well, let's dive into this.

Let's reach out to Logitech. Let's get information from them. Let's kind of pull some of our testing together and look into what this thing is. And as it turns out, from a performance standpoint, it's just Bluetooth. From a performance standpoint, yeah. But there is a little bit more to it. Exactly why it was a bit of a downer. But also, there is more to it.

And the community was right. Yes. that it does have advantages over just just Bluetooth. But yeah, check out the lab site. We've been pushing a lot of articles lately and we want to keep doing this. I think Lucas has been taking the charge on a lot of these of like having a question of like, what is this thing? How does it work?

And then just deciding that, you know what, if we had that question, probably someone else did too let's let's follow it up let's try to figure it out um also clearly like with the the lodgey bolt one um if if we get called out on something which might be fair like it was here we're going to try to dive into that and learn more as well this is a knowledge base expansion for us for our companies and hopefully for you guys as well so um this one's really good too i've read this one why the AirPods pro three is are a nightmare to test uh very Interesting. Very different frequency response at different volume levels.

I had some people really mad about us saying that in the short circuit. They were like, no, that's not how it works. But it does if the manufacturer tunes it to do that, which is exactly why we were saying, yeah, it's kind of weird. Yeah, we worked with Griffin from the headphone show on that one. Yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, we're also trying to use this as. like somewhat of a collaboration thing so we can like work with certain external experts and stuff you see our buffalo makes a really good point tech link should be promoting new labs

articles like primary source articles from the labs like why not it's news duh seems kind of obvious to me never thought about that yeah i never thought of it either that's cool like you have a new show yeah okay cool good chat uh Um, me, I want to talk about, oh, hold on, let's do this really quick. YouTuber cyber CPU has accused Microsoft of orchestrating YouTube's removal of some of his Windows 11 tutorials that enable users to install the OS on non-supported hardware and without an online connection for violating the platform's community guidelines. After appealing the takedowns, he received a vague answer as to why the videos had been removed from YouTube that said, the warning strike you received was issued based on a violation of harmful or dangerous content which prohibits content that encourages or encourages dangerous or illegal activities that risk serious physical harm or death.

Does bypassing TPM 2.0 really pose a serious risk of physical harm or death? No. Well, it could if Microsoft is threatening to kill or harm you if you don't take them down. Very good, very good, very good. Um, our discussion question here is, why does Microsoft want to prevent people from using older computers with Windows 11? Why do they care? I don't know. It's been a little strange to me too.

Especially because it's like not that hard to bypass. Yeah. So like. Yeah. Why specifically are YouTube videos getting taken down? Like, it's not like you can't find these resources. So can we just... Very easily.

Can we just not? Like, I... That'd be cool. Cool. Good chat. I want to talk about how... I want to point out one thing really quick. I just, I don't know.

I showed it out, Lucas, for coming up with cool articles and pursuing them and writing them and stuff. And that has been great. Thank you, Lucas. I also want to say that this has been like a team effort from the lab. So I didn't want to just single out only Lucas. It's been cool. I've been really enjoying that.

And one of our like marching order things for a bit. now and continuing forward has just been yeah if there's an interesting question follow it up so it's been i've appreciated that the whole team has embraced that professionally curious is exactly what we want in a department like that yeah uh okay i got one more quick one here amd releases new zen 2 and zen 3 plus CPUs as risin 10 and rise in 100 these new mendicini CPUs based on zen 2 include the athlon silver 10, which is a dual core. The aathlon gold 20, which is also a dual core, although at least it has SMT, the Risen 330, a quad core, and the Risen 540, also a quad core.

The new Rembrandt CPUs based on Zen 3 plus are the Risen 310, the Risen 5130, the Rizzen 5150, Rizzen 7. You can't have a Risen 7 based on Zen 3 plus now. come on man Ryzen 7178 cores up to 4.57 gigahertz What are they doing? Why do they need to do this? Can they just have the old, can people, can we just know it's an old CPU

and then just buy an old CPU? Exhausting. I'm tired of it. What I'm not tired of is driving Chinese EVs. I don't know if you saw this. Prime Minister Mark Carney. Canada's relationship with China is at a turning point. Control F. Hold on.

Oh, no. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Where is it? Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. They discussed... Hold on. This is not...

Oh, yeah, okay. They discussed... Solutions to respective sensitivities regarding issues including agriculture and agri-food products such as canola, as well as seafood and electric vehicles, according to the readout. So I don't know if folks know this, but in lockstep with the U.S., Canada introduced 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs a number of years ago, which has made it basically impossible for Chinese EV makers to import their vehicles into Canada. there's been a couple of exceptions. VinFast tried to kind of launch here, and I think I've seen like two on the road, but I've not had a ton of success

because with a 100% tariff, it's pretty hard to ship over here, and I don't think VinFast set up manufacturing here in any capacity, VINFAST manufacturing in Canada. I don't think they did, so they do not have a very, Yeah, no, they have no manufacturing in Canada. They're not Chinese.

Oh, are they Vietnamese? Yeah. Oh, they are. There you go. Okay. So, sorry, sorry, Vin Fast. Thanks, Max. You guys are a very relevant brand, and I've cared a lot about where you were from.

I'm sorry. Anyway, what I really want to talk about today is, oh, shoot, do I have? Oh, I have it. I was over in China recently and I did get a couple of opportunities to chill in a in a Chinese EV and you know how Ford CEO has gone on the record a number of times at this point basically saying hey if the North American auto industry doesn't get its act together like we're cooked boys yeah I don't I don't know if there's going to be an opportunity to get their act together. It's just holding them out with tariffs. That's effectively all it is now. I think the cookage is basically a foregone conclusion at this point, man.

I rode in the car while I was over there that is going to absolutely blow your mind when I finally find up the bloody picture of it and we get it up on screen here. Sorry, sorry. My sincere apologies, I don't know what it's going to. Did I take it on the iPhone? I don't think I did. Quick, stall for time. Do a merge message or something.

I'm sorry. Sure, I think. Thank you. Let's see what I can find here. Look, this might be useful for you. Hi, DL. What's the worst case of we don't need a pro? You've seen.

I was helping run Wi-Fi for a festival, 35,000 attendees with 80 Unify APs. A marketing guy suggested replacing the system. with Starlink's. What? Nice. Worst case of we don't need a pro. I'm sure you've seen some here.

Oh yeah. Our entire company. Oh, we can do that. That's fine. We reinvent a lot of wheels, brother. Let's just hire a recent graduate. It should be fine. Oh, figure it out.

We do. And it's way better for the content to figure it out as we go. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. no I'm not a convenient store robber I'm Duke from the season before the last season of Scrapyard Wars that's pretty good too though it's not bad um I don't know

there's a ton of examples of that it like here I mean we we don't need a pro this is I'm slightly copying out by saying we can just do this ourselves instead of use an external service so series of professionals maybe I was going to say float playing Nice.

Like, ah, we can do that. That was crazy. That was stupid. That's probably one of the most brutal ones we've ever done. Yeah. I mean,

we did it. It's working. It's, but like, like, my goodness. It literally is like a multi-million dollar a year success. Multi-platform at this point.

Yeah. Like, it's working. It's just. It powers us, sauce plus, a lot of other creators on float plane. Like,

I don't know, man. It kind of, you know, yeah. Yeah. you kind of did it has cool future plans the team's kind of amazing

whatnot and we're freaking it out it also forced us to finally have a dev team yeah which is cool who has done all kinds of other cool stuff like I don't know sometimes we like working on full plane stuff our whole like I just do feels like home I feel like we kind of fail upward a lot you know

you know what I mean right not in the way that that normally is meant right like failing upwards is when you're like incompetent and you get kind of pushed out but into like a higher position like like kind of like a nepotism sort of connotation like we but we've just managed to screw up our way to the top but like it like it actually worked like it didn't fail yeah but it should have yeah it was just way harder than it needed to be that was most of it decision making failure i had a yeah i had a lot of conversations with people where

it would start as like you shouldn't do this because you can't and then it would end up being like okay fine you can but like why yeah i didn't listen to that part yeah i just listened to that you can't yeah we can la la la la la oh well um yeah yeah yeah yeah did you figure your thing out yeah damn i rode okay no wait not yet So I wrote in a couple of cars So one of them was part of the Huawei demo At their flagship store Which includes everything

If I was asked to design a store To showcase everything from like wearables To TVs to automobiles I wouldn't even know where to start But honestly they kind of nailed it So they had some cars that had like partner technologies In their showroom So we went to test drive in one

And it's got you know Voice activation this And assisted driving Whatever that and like you know it's like kind of cool um but this one the one that they used to drive us between the locations where they were just like showing off wawaway technology integrations and vehicles absolutely blew my mind and i agree with ford ceo um we're cooked over here we're cooked check this out first one yeah so this is me and charade in the back of a whatever this is

I actually can't remember what the model name is, so that's embarrassing. We have a starry night sky thing above us. Sure. In the next to, oh, Bicharad's elbow, okay, so you can see all the seat adjustments in there. And then right next to that,

each seat has a little, like, pop-out phone-like device that you can use to control the various functions in the car, including the heating cooling of your seat the temperature of the fridge that's between us so there's a little like fridge that could hold maybe like a wine bottle

or a couple of other drinks in between us where that that like Kleenex thing is okay now are you a little impressed yeah but it just looks like an expensive back of a car

all right hit them with the next one Wow So You could mod that in But it's It's very pimp my ride So In between our heads

Is a projector And you press a button That lowers A projector screen Yeah The windows What's it called? Electrochromatic

A lot of leg room Is this a really long car? It's meant to be it's the kind of car you're meant to be chauffered in. Or whatever those called, yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of competing with like, you know, the rolls. The Maybach.

Exactly. And okay, sorry, what was I saying? Oh, right, right, right. So the projector screen comes down. There is a camera. You can see there's a webcam up at the top of the projector screen so you can like take a conference call. Surveillance, good. I mean, sure, but also, you know.

So you can take a conference call. call, you know, and have all the other meeting attendees on the projector screen. The windows are, I believe they are, what's it called, electrochromatic, electrochromic, electrochromic. Yeah. And they have like a filter that comes up. So they have like a sunshade that comes up to make it actually quite dark in the back. There's wireless charging in between our, in the armrest.

There's two little slips where you can slip your phone into right by that piece of Nice. I see that. Sherrod was joking. Really, all these features and no cup holder, retractable cup holder that's under where the charging is. So you kind of hit a button and then it pops out in between us. The seats fully recline and adjust. Oh, they have massage in addition to heat and cooling. And one of the really wild features, okay, you can go back to, you can go back to us, is it includes a privacy mode so that the passengers in the front can't hear you. at the front passenger and the driver can't hear you.

And we were like, okay, well, that's stupid. There's no way that works. And then Sherrod pressed it. And it turns out that it doesn't just try to like ANC what you're saying, because that would be, we don't have that technology yet. What it does is it adds like an echo loop and a bunch of sort of noise. It like sort of salts the data, so to speak. while probably also doing the ANC stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't actually try sitting in the front, unfortunately. I didn't really get a chance, but pretty, pretty wild. Now, was it this thing? Oh, yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, so Noki found it, of course. Hold on, hold on, hold on, don't look too closely yet.

Okay, I want you to guess. I want you to guess what it costs. Oh, I stopped it from being there, but it's still on my screen. Hold on, hold on Okay, first of all So Like what does a What does this roll Z?

Like what's a ghost cost, okay? I 400K is my guess Uh 600K Yeah if you don't If you don't customize anything You get the options Blah blah

Which currency are we talking Commission You don't buy You don't buy a ghost You commission A ghost So I actually don't remember How much they cost

Oh yes uh do they have do they even have a starting price for crying out loud make an inquiry okay forget it the point is probably about half a million dollars by the time you actually like do anything is the ghost the expensive one i don't even think that's their top of the line though that's like their that's like their kind of their workhorse is my understanding i don't i don't know their lineup extremely well i've never bought a rolls sorry uh lowest possible is like three fifty from what I'm seeing But it can go a lot higher Is the Phantom their starter? I actually can't remember The peasant spying ghosts Yeah, I'm actually not sure

I think the Cullinan is higher end That's the SUV, right? Yeah I don't know what the specter is Yeah, I can't remember Okay, anyway Anyway How much do you think the Mike Stroh costs?

80K okay why would you why would you guess that I don't know I didn't look it up I don't I'm assuming I'm not correct no you're not right but yeah

I'm just wondering why you would guess $80,000 like what could what else could you buy for $80,000 it's like cheaper than the high end Tesla's but more expensive than like I don't know other stuff starts at about 100K

okay but we're still it's an EV so it comes with like batteries which are a cost that you know a gasoline competitor doesn't have to deal with yeah um so you you never have to put gas in it it is like you're sitting on a couch basically in the back of it it's crazy i did i think i told you uh when i was in china i got chauffured around one time in the back of a maybach and i had the same feeling i sat in that chair and was just like, what the heck?

It's weird. It feels almost uncanny. It's like, this isn't a car. What am I in right now? So the price range is 100 to 140 for this. And look, I'll be honest with you guys. I've never even sat in a ghost. I've never sat in a Rolls-Royce.

But to my ignorant, you know, unrefined buttock. Yes. I'm looking at this I'm looking at this thing going How is it realistically going to get way beyond Yeah This thing Yeah

Like this would be This would be the pinnacle of luxury To most people Some of these pictures are nuts Yeah here let's see This is the The Mike Stro or whatever Yeah

I mean you can just zoom your browser Just to give it the old two finger you know what I'm saying Oh yeah Did I oh yeah Did I mention the starry sky in it Can has like different modes It can twinkle

It can do shooting stars Um The stary sky feels like a rip A bit of a rip Huge Huge screams It's something that people do In Roleses though

That's what I'm saying I think it's a rip Oh a rip off Oh 100% Oh 100% Are those speakers in the... Yeah, those speakers in the chair. Sure, why not?

Like, it's loaded for bear, man. Wow. Is this, is this like... The seat in front of them is gone. Oh, no, it folds down. Yeah, okay. Yeah. That's wild.

So you can get extremely comfy. Is this... This is someone's phone, or is this the tablet thing you were talking about? That's the little tablet controller thing, yeah. Wow. it's pretty wild dude oh yeah it has the airplane table uh fold out thing i forgot about that no no on the left oh yeah yeah yeah so you have a little table at both of the back seats laptop or whatever yep or you can eat or your swishky

trunk yep trunk trunk what is this I think they're trying to show matrix headlamps Hmm. No, I don't think so. Interesting. Yeah. Huh?

It's available in multiple options. Oh, okay. Yep. All right, anyway. Very interesting. Yeah, it's, uh... I, I had, I had been, you know, reading about following from a distance. So that or a cyber truck.

Right. Like, seriously, though. Yeah. I don't think that would make an insane splash. I don't think that would make as insane of a splash in the North American market that people might think. They're going to need a good truck. Oh, yeah. Apparently, BYD's truck is like 35K or something like that.

See, like that might make a bigger splash because you've got to fight the F150. There's no, like, there's no ignoring the F150. and trying to enter the North American market. Heck no. So, yeah. And that's still going to be, it's BID, so I'm assuming that's an electric truck still. I think it's a hybrid.

Yeah, it's no good 63 says, their Ford Ranger size pickup with a one cylinder allows up to 500 miles of range and is $35,000 US dollars. Yeah. See, that'll be, that's a more interesting fight, in my opinion. Yep.

Opcode says, how does it compare to your take hand in terms of quality it's a very different car um like it's not it's not intended to compete with a taikin loading couch yeah um whisks you from location to location the takan is meant to be driven whereas the mike stro is intended to be driven around in right so it's it's totally different the maestro's a snuggy and the taikans like a a running shoe yeah um terrible analogies in terms of Like the fit and finish of it, though, I'll be honest with you. I didn't look that closely because I was too busy being impressed by the sum of the parts rather than the individual parts. Sure.

If we were doing like a full review or something like that, that would be a different story. But nothing stood out to me as being junkie. I can tell you that much for sure. Oh, shoot. I have to go pretty quick because I have to take my kids. Surprise you're still here. Trick or treating. No, no, I'm good.

Are we done the topics? We're done the topics. We're done the topics. We haven't done FP announcement. Merch massages. Our most successful float plane video ever was when LMG employees shared their first memories

of meeting me. Oh, wow. Yep. That's a pretty strong like-d dislike ratio. So we made a sequel featuring Yvonne, Colton, and Plouf, who owns a display, and more.

Oh, and yes, there will be a video of me reacting to the sequel in November. Oh, good. I haven't done that yet, but apparently we're going to be doing that. So, get some laughs and maybe a little bit of secondhand embarrassment at lmg.g.g.g slash floatplane. Excellent. All right, Dan, should we do a couple of merch messages? Yeah, that sounds good to me. Hit me.

Sure. Let's see. Why does it seem like every tech tuber praises the 9070-90-X-T on camera and FSR-4, yada, yada? But off-camera, they're all running in video GPUs. feels like a bit of do as I say, not as I do. I am running a 7,900 XTX, let the record show. So I don't know. In my opinion, when praise is happening, they're often probably talking about price performance

and then they can have whatever they want so they take the performance and do not care about the price. That's the answer. That's the real answer. The only reason I'm running a 7900 XTX is because I committed to skip it. the 40 series and otherwise I would have just run a 4090

greetings DLLO Linus with the Canadian post strike why does creator warehouse still shipped to PO boxes when the LTD store site says to avoid them I use my street address but the merch still comes Canada post

Wow what a tremendous question for creator warehouse customer service I think you should send them a message and maybe they can explain that. I have no idea. I want to shout out our amazing CW team, Tony and Dave and Adam

and the rest of the customer care team and Taryn and everyone who has worked really hard on resolving the challenging logistics situation that has taken place this year. We've had to deal with tariffs from our southern neighbors. We've had to deal with tariffs from our manufacturing neighbors. We've had to deal with flipping the strike from Canada Post. We've had a lot of...

Multiple times, I think. We've had a lot of shit on our plate this year, and our team has done an amazing job of figuring out how to get your thing to you and shout out them, and if you want the specifics, you'll have to ask them because they're the experts. What an answer. Good answer. This guy's been doing this for a little bit.

Professional. What a guy. This one I wasn't too sure about maybe you could help me parse it. Started an RE Photo Comp with a few family members and have hit 30 in revenue. And we are trying to learn to scale fast and trying to figure out the best route, such as pacing ourselves or just spamming the phone. Thanks.

A photo comp? Photo competition. Few family members. RE, I'm not sure. 30 in Rev. 30K, I'm assuming. So maybe they're hosting a competition. Maybe you have to pay to enter the competition.

Spamming the phone? That I don't know. Okay, nobody else understands what they're talking about either. What is R.E. Photocomp? Started a R.E. PhotoComp. Next. Okay. Yeah. Sorry. I was struggling too. We genuinely tried.

Hey, DL. Question for Linus. How's the new winter jacket coming along? Real estate photo company? Oh. Oh, my God. Real estate photo. No, no, no, no, no. Imperator. photo plane chat said real estate that makes so much more sense real estate photo company they hit 30k

in revenue they something something or just spamming photos on a phone what was the other thing they were saying hitting the phone i think they were looking how to scale fast right they wanted to scale up and they weren't sure how to do that without just like hitting the phone which is probably more like cold calling pacing ourselves or just spamming the phone spamming the phone cold calling he's probably right my, this is a... Yeah, I mean, it's going to be all networking in that industry. Like, it's all old boys' club, so to speak. Um, so you definitely want to make connections and everything else is, is kind of secondary.

Honestly, as someone who's looked through real estate listings, man, are most of their photos terrible? Yeah, learn how to do HDR better than like 90% of everybody and you're fine. There's some actually really good... Which is not a high bar. There is a lot of... A lot of really good YouTube tutorials, but if you've already got 30K in revenue, you're fine. You know what you're doing. Yeah.

Keep it up. Congrats on growing it. At a staging company. Keep it up. Yeah. Staging makes such a big difference. Or do, um, okay. So yeah, probably.

But a bunch of people are doing, uh, people aren't going to like this, but like, uh, AI staging stuff lately. It is actually very surprisingly good because you can see the photo of the room empty and the photo of the room with stuff in it. and it's cool being able to see a bad idea um new winter jacket uh oh okay you'll have to do another one while i look that up um hi wan dot d'l are you aware of the development of 3d printed medication and the potential for multiple prescriptions to be combined into one pill and do you have thoughts about

it that's cool i haven't heard of that how does that make any sense why would you 3D print them yeah well maybe because you want like different release schedules or whatever because like you know they can have different coatings and they can have different like capsules and stuff that release at different times but why do you want to 3d print that i don't know maybe it's more maybe it's like helps that the complexity how do you ensure they're mixed properly i don't know i don't know i'm not a doctor i'm just saying i like 3d printing hmm don't wait really someone needs to clip that We need to clip that, Dan. We need that clip.

He knows what I mean. I was in a couple times stamps. Thermochromic jacket is expected to hit in November. So soon, but I don't want to nail down an exact week because things happen sometimes. Nice. But that's when it's expected. Hi, LLD, looking for advice. Moving to rural Australia for work.

in the next 25, 52 weeks. Steam Deck versus Xbox ally versus laptop. Reviews seem to indicate Ally X is undercooked. My friends use Xbox Online. Oh, I mean, but these are all PCs. Steam deck with Xbox Online, question mark? Crossplay. I mean, the laptop, if you can only have one,

the laptop has the most utility. if you can get one that supports a oh I don't think this one supports it but like a tent mode you know where it folds the other way and you can just put it like this but with the screen on the outside it's very nice on a thing with a controller that's pretty sick

like if you can only have one I'd want the one that has a keyboard I'm also personally leaning a laptop but I didn't answer right away because I don't have either the other ones so I'm a little bit bias here yeah and I don't know

how much, like, a Strix Halo laptop costs. This, this HP1, my understanding is, is pretty, pretty expensive. That is true. Like, the steam deck is going to be by far the cheapest option. Like, one of the issues of this question is you're asking an insane variety in price. Yeah, I mean, the steam deck is the best bang for the buck. That's the easiest one to recommend. But as for the Ally Xbox Ally X, whatever stupid thing is called.

Also, do you need to do more stuff on it? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's pretty good. Like, I don't know what to tell you. It's, um, I think people are just frustrated because Microsoft sold it as something that it wasn't. Yeah. But as a, as a small computer that's pretty dee's, it's great. Yeah. That's one lines the question, but maybe more of a general question.

My work has a stupid new, no graphic. policy but text isn't banned please make a shirt that says shirt in giant text on it how does that fit in with like your branding or your like is that something that you would ever do or do you want to make like cool stuff because like shirt that says shirt and giant text is like kind of my aesthetic in a way I love that type of stuff I mean do enough of you want this like is that a thing I figured, yeah. Can you make ASCII images? That's just text.

See, that, that sort of tickles my malicious compliance bone. That's fantastic. A lot more than the other one does. It kind of made me think of the no-name brand, like, merch products that they do. I'll tell you what, we'll do the ASCY one. That's a way better idea. I like an ASCII art shirt. Yeah, thanks, Amaria.

That sounds like a great plan. Okay. Who do I send this to? Okay. The next time we do a Linux challenge, we should both be required to make a cool little, you know, can I use the term? To rice it out in a really cool way. That is the official term.

That is what people call it. I'm just saying. Sure. We'll go with that. And there is cool stuff that they do with Asky Art in that process, and we should do that. That should be part of it. Whatever, leave me alone.

I don't know what else to call it. modify yeah but it doesn't that's not that doesn't encapsulate the that's true whatever whatever you've been waiting for a turn yeah um i have been waiting so long for this to come back they have bought the northern lights t-shirt tall hell yeah thank you for doing tall graphics is this our first tall graphic it seems to and it's like five of them or something that's actually very exciting i need to order them immediately yeah me too i've been waiting so long for this to come back. What is the oldest used hardware you'd recommend picking up right now? Oh man, it depends on what you're trying to do. I mean I it's so

open-ended. Yeah, my uncle needed a, needed a laptop with a CD-ROM drive in it. And so we just grabbed some like Vista S machine and it will never be connected to a network so it doesn't matter because it's for like loading data from some CD resource into some computer and it has to like live there because it has to be used periodically and connected to that thing and it's just like well that's the oldest hardware that I'd recommend for that like it it just depends on what you're trying to do running a Windows XP machine today if it was completely offline it's totally fine tons of them still worked that way in terms of what I would actually connect to the internet I would want something that is modern enough to run an operating system that's still getting updates.

If it's Windows, that means not that old. But if it's Linux, go ham. Nice. Dinus Duke and Land. Do sponsors pay extra for Riley to do his amazing singing ad spots? Or does he do them just because he can? Yes. Both of those things.

He's kind of been a bit of a spiritual successor for what Dennis was doing with what we call CSPs or creative sponsor placements or something like that. I forget what it's short for, but it was CSRs, creative sponsor reads, but then I was like, that sounds too close to customer service representative, and I'm never going to know what you're talking about. So we change it to CSP. And it is something that sponsors can pay extra for, and we do show them, hey, there's increased retention,

there's increased click through, like there's all these benefits. You should probably do this. I have had two merch messages this evening asking for a compilation. I could see that being something we might do on the clips channel at some point. But yeah, I know he's been killing it. Cannot say enough how impressed I have been with Riley's work on that. I am blown away. Not just Riley.

It's a team effort. It's not just Riley. They have to be shot and edited and stuff. But like massive shout out to the team. Yeah. So cool. Spin nuts. Yeah.

Last on I got for you today. Good evening, Linus Luke and Dan. What wireless technology do you think might compete or replace Bluetooth? Do you think RF headphones would ever make a comeback? What have happened to Li-Fi? Oh, I don't know, man. I mean, there's only so much spectrum. Like, it's one of those things where it's like, man,

what new continents do you think we could discover? You know, over the last thousand years, Western civilization has discovered a continent at approximately a rate of one every 200 years. You know, well, like, yeah, okay. But there's, um, here's a really controversial take. Sure. Modern BTLE, pretty good.

Yeah. There's more that could be done for user-friendliness. But like... Even then... Why can't I have multi-channel with good audio and a mic at the same time in current year? I am upset. I agree with that. do better but it's still Bluetooth you could just make Bluetooth less garbage yeah and they are dual stream

like Bluetooth is continuing to get betterer and I mean as far as I can tell the the major constraint is just that we all want it to be cheap yeah if you could do 2.4 gigahertz communication expensively well it would be better look at all the 2.4 gigahertz dongles that exist that are like better than Bluetooth but we want it to be low power we want it to be cheap and we want it to have good range and we wanted to have a wide data path and we wanted to have all these things and it's like well look in the real world you don't get everything so wait I think it I think it will continue to get better as for Li-Fi that's a good question I would love to know what happened to Li-Fi and I was lying there's one more Linus you mentioned you still occasionally play halo infinite do you prefer four v-4 modes or big team

battle. Halo isn't Halo to me without vehicles in at least eight versus eight. I generally play 4V4. I find big team battle a little too chaotic for my boomer brain. Sorry. My apologies.

Thanks for tuning into the Wandshow. We'll see again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. would have just stayed there. I know. I would have waited. I know. I got to go, though.

He gave up early. Oh, yeah. Bye! Okay, I got to run. Yeah, that's right. Who knows? Thank you.