The Watch - Cary Fukunaga Takes Over the Bond Franchise, Plus a Live Performance From the Altons | The Watch (Ep. 291)

Episode Date: September 20, 2018

The Ringer’s Chris Ryan sits down with GQ staff writer Zach Baron to talk about the news that Cary Fukunaga will direct ‘Bond 25’ (1:45) and Fukunaga’s new Netflix show ‘Maniac’ (13:06). Then Los Angeles–based band the Altons perform live in The Ringer studio (19:40) before Chris sits down with them to talk about how they got their start in music (36:42). Read Zach’s profile of Cary Fukunaga here. Read Miles Surrey on the pros and cons of Fukunaga directing ‘Bond 25’ here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, it's Liz Kelly. Here are a few things to check out in the Ringer universe before the end of the week. We've got an oral history on the movie Rounders 20 years later going up on Thursday. So read that and then check out the rewatchables episode that Bill and Sean did on the movie earlier this month. And don't forget about our extensive football coverage. We have a new pod going up every day of the week on the Ringer NFL show and more football content on the Bill Simmons podcast, dual threat, and against all odds. Subscribe to those and more on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, thanks for listening to today's episode of The Watch on today's pod. My friend Zach Barron dropped by, and we talked a little bit about Carrie Fukunaga taking over the James Bond franchise, which is obviously pretty shocking news coming after Danny Boyle's exit from the long-running series. And we wanted to talk a little bit about what that means for Fukenaga, for Bond, and then also a little bit about Carrie Fukunaga's new Netflix show Maniac, which is coming out on Friday. after that, I had a really, really awesome band from Los Angeles called The Alton's Drop By, and they played a few songs for us.

They were incredible live, like, just an absolute delight. If you get a chance to see them, I know that they've got a record coming out, and they're going to start touring a lot more soon. So you've got to check out for them at the Alton's on Twitter to find out where they're going to be playing around you. I can't recommend this band highly enough. I'll talk a little bit about them before the music starts a little bit later in the podcast, but let's get into my chat with Zach Barron. I need sports to have to clear the room.

Stand up and walk now. Hello, and welcome to The Watch. My name is Chris Ryan. I'm an editor at the Rigger.com. And joining me in the studio is the Robert Caro to carry Fukunaga's Lyndon B. Johnson. I think that's fair to say. It's Zach Barron.

Very fair. What's up, man? What's up, man? Zach and I are very, very close friends. We're our own support system on a golf course in Los Angeles. But Zach is all. Also, a chronicler of modern celebrity and of some of the great creative minds that we have today. And one of them is Carrie Fukugnaga.

And you just wrote a piece a couple, I guess you wrote the piece a while ago, but it was published a couple weeks ago about Carrie Fukenaga. And then today, we wake up and it's announced that Carrie Fukenaga is taking over the Bond franchise. Yeah, I feel away about that actually. I was wondering. Carrie did not mention that when we spoke. Was there even any suggestion when you were hanging out with him where he's like, yeah, you know, I got a couple of irons on the fire. but I guess Danny Boyle was still directing. I think Danny Boyle was still in.

And maybe he was like plotting his palace coup. The thing about Carrie Fukunaga is he's had like seven projects in development at any given time. Yes. Since before he made his first film. Like he's very ambitious and just has like seven scripts going at all time. It feels good to blog about him, to attach him to things. And to be like, you know who would be good for this is Carrie Fukenago. He also is like high drama.

Like he'll go in on. a project and he'll like develop a project and then he'll quit the project and he'll spend two years working on something and that's what he did with it right did with it and he did with the alienist too yeah and then would you but i thought one of the things that was really kind of convincing in the piece was his description or at least his his account of like you know people think that i'm like throwing all my toys out of the pram when i i don't get my way or something these were like really like varying degrees of amicable departures from these situations because of these X, Y, and Z reasons.

Like, I didn't think that he was, like, this Enfant Terriblo, you know what I mean? Right. I think the reality is somewhere in between. Okay. And I think Carrie would cop to that. Okay. Obviously, in the piece, he's a little defensive about, because of it not working out, because the alienist not working out,

because of some other studio projects not working out, because of Nick Pizzolato taking a little shot at him in season two of True Detective. with that character that is a very pretentious director that may or may not be a stand-in for Carrie. I think he legitimately in some circles has a rep for being a little bit difficult and being a guy who is going to do it his way or he's not going to do it. And I think there's some truth in that,

but as you say, obviously, he'd be the first to be like, we ran out of money on Beast of No Nation and we just reshot the third act. I compromise on that. I compromise on True Detective in a million different ways. You know, this is a guy who, like, with the second film made Jane Eyre because he just wanted to make his studio film.

He's like, I'm not like a renegade here. I'm, like, trying to play ball. And I think that's true as well. Well, and now he is playing ball in the most, like, not, I would necessarily say corporate, but this is old school. Like, there's no franchise that has as many pot-committed cooks in the kitchen. if I can mix two sayings, then the Bond franchise, because you've got essentially this, it's the broccoli families. They're like, they've, they shepherd this whole thing.

And, you know, they've had a lot of success over the last couple of years with the reboot featuring Daniel Craig. But it's really interesting to think about the idea that they were like, hey, we're going to do something different. We're going to bring Danny Boyle and we're going to do something really subversive. That didn't work out for a bunch of rumored. reasons stemming from either what they were going to do to the character and what he was going maybe be grappling with as like somebody who may have been like guilty of some crimes in the Me Too era. Also, he apparently, at least according to Jonathan Price who said like, who just said something really randomly, the actor, Jonathan Price was like they didn't want a socialist

James Bond and that the politics of the character might have been a little bit different. Well, also, isn't there, speaking of cooks in the kitchen, wasn't there some rumors about? Daniel Craig's opinion on Danny Boyle. And also on the who they were trying to cast as the villain. And it was rumored to be that Danny Boyle wanted the guy from Cold War whose name escapes me at the moment. But that that was also a sticking point and that Daniel Craig gets approval over all the casting that goes on around him.

So you've got all that stuff happening. And then into the mix, Danny Boyle exits, they throw out, I assume they're throwing out John Hodges' script, which was like they had a Neil Purvis and Robert Wade's script ready to go. They hired Danny Boyle, and Danny Boyle's like, I'll do it if John Hodge can just write a completely different script. He sat in the room and pitched a completely different movie. And they bought it.

Yeah, and now that's all gone. They hire Carrie and you think on the surface, the first thing you see is like, Carrie Pugnog is going to be on this job for six weeks, right? Yeah, and I think that's a real possibility, no shots to carry just because of what you're saying of

the broccoli's are super involved. Daniel Craig has shown in the last week that he will absolutely get a director thrown off a project if they don't see eye to eye. He seems like a reluctant bond anyway, so he's like, I'm only going to do this one way

if I'm going to do it. Yeah. And like you say, this is like old school, you know, what's the date on this? It's 2020. He's making a movie with Ryan Johnson first called Knives Out. He's making like a thriller. Right. And so it's like you've got to keep

all the balls in the air for the next year, year and a half, two years. You've got to keep everybody happy, all the cats hurted, to get to the finish line on this. Here's the weird thing, though. I kind of think this will work. I think so, too.

And partially because I don't think Carrie's lying when he's like, I actually am a team player. And one thing he is, is, and I don't say this in a negative way, he's very ambitious. Yeah. This is a guy who, like, made his first film when he was still in film school and, like, took it to Sundance and was, like, Like in his third year, it was like, guys, I'm out of here.

I'm a star ready. And he was a star ready. And I think he has been trying to figure out a way into the major leagues like this. He also hasn't made a studio film since 2011. Yeah. Which is Jane Eyre's second movie. Then he did True Detective and Peace of No Nations. The Netflix film, it hasn't actually, was never really in a theater.

So he might end up going nine years between having. theatrical releases, which is fascinating. But this is a guy who is like, I want to be a great director. And that means like being in theaters and playing to big audiences. And I think it actually makes a lot of sense and not just sense in terms of what he wants. Kerry is not like, I don't think of Carrie Fukenaga movies and then always carry around a certain them. That goes from movie to movie. He's an exquisite composition.

He is one of the great, like, frame artists. He obviously, based on what we know from The True Detective, like, is incredible at moving the camera. He's a great stylist. I think he's very thoughtful. But I wouldn't say that these movies have a, like, a through line where you're like, this is what Carrie Fukenaga makes movies about. And if you don't like it, then you shouldn't hire Carrie Fuken. No, the through line with him is, is like the camera in motion and character in relation to their surroundings.

Yeah. know, it's like Sonomre, where he's taking the camera into the sort of hideout of these drug dealers, and he's looking in every room, and you just see people out of the corner of your eye or the camera's eye, like doing stuff, you know, or True Detective, where it's these cars, like, gliding past oil refineries. And it's all about atmosphere and character's relationship to their surroundings as taken in by a camera. I mean, his training is as a DP, and he's still just has this brilliant eye. But thematically, yeah, the things that get you in trouble with the broccoli, it seems, when you're trying to make a James Bond film or when you're like,

what if James Bond was someone different than James Bond? And there's like a couple of successes with that. Like the probably one of the best ones is the San Mendez Skyfall, where it's like, what if James Bond was being bad at, was bad at being James Bond? What if James Bond? What if he was like washed up? And what if he was an orphan? What if we finally found out a little bit about what made him the way he is? Right.

What if we basically like gave some interiority to this? this guy and some real regret, angst, self-doubt. Scar tissue. Yeah. And that, I was kind of shocked that they even allowed that to happen. It's a very, it's one of like the better James Bond films, but by the time Spector rolls around. It's gotten much more convoluted and they kind of have like, I think that that's the problem with where they're at with this, with that reluctant bond in terms of Craig that we're talking about,

Because that way, if Craig's not like, I want to do something that forever changes the trajectory of this character. And we bring in this idea that he's fallible, that he's guilty of certain crimes, that he's an aging dinosaur in this Brexit era. He probably doesn't want to do that. I mean, he had the opportunity to do that because that, by all accounts, is what Danny Boyle wanted to do. You hire Danny Boyle for subversion for the most part. Right. It's also not like a great continuity strategy for these things. I mean, it's like you go to a Mission Impossible film and you want to see Tom Cruise pilot his own helicopter.

And you're willing to do some meta stuff and you're willing to do some self-doubt stuff occasionally. But like Mission Impossible, James Bond is endlessly renewable because it's action set pieces in great locations and a certain kind of bygone English colonial vibe. And I understand guys like Boyle or Mendez for that matter. especially these Englishmen who come to it and are like, Empire is dying and so is James Bond. But that is not how the Broccoli family is going to keep making James Bond films. Right. At some point, there's just like, can we get that tracking shot from True Detective in here?

And we'll reinvent Bond by not having the camera cut when he's like fighting 17 dudes rather than reinventing Bond by being like, what if James Bond was kind of a bad dude. Yeah. And if anybody is wondering about that, I mean, you can just watch Carrie Fukenogra's commercial work and see him make Western Pennsylvania look like the French Riviera and know that he is going to look at whether this thing is set in the Middle East or the Mediterranean or Eastern Europe or wherever they wind up traveling for this movie is going to look astonishing. Yeah, I mean, look at his, you know, that guy went to Louisiana and basically shot outside

in New Orleans and was like, we're not doing the French quarter. We're doing all this other stuff that you've never seen on camera. You know, and then did the same thing with Beas of the No Nation where he was just in these crazy locations that no one had basically put on film in the way that he put them on film. Even Jane Eyre is like, you're like, wow, this English countryside. I really like, I see this English countryside. So that's a strength. That's like a, they want to go to, they want to go to a gang of places for a Bond movie. Kyra Vuanaga is like top five in terms of being like, you want to go to a place. I'll like, I'll show you that place. I'm fired up for this. Do you think that the broccoli family watched Maniac before they hired him?

It's a great question. Have you seen Maniac? I've watched the first episode of Maniac and it's, I was going to say no spoilers, but it is almost unspoilable. Yeah. Well, so an interesting thing that happens in Maniac, which is, when is it on Netflix? It comes on tomorrow. It's a show starring Jonah Hill and Emma Stone, which I think is going to get a lot of people to click on it.

And then I really, really would love to see the retention rate. And the fascinating thing is, so I think it's 10 episodes. The first three or four are like the first one in the sense of it's this sort of slightly alternate reality in New York that's like glum and weird and surreal and you can't quite tell what's going on. And then the plot of the thing is about these two people in a drug trial

and they have eventually when they start the drug trial they have these visions. And so this isn't really a spoiler. I think it's like sort of part of the pitch of the show and it's a remake of another show anyway. Episodes become visions that they have. And there's like him doing like cool like Inception style spy stuff, you know, or Jonah Hill and Emerson are, you know, Long Island dirtbags.

Right. And they're married to each other. Right. And I think this series really comes alive when he's like basically making little movies. But I do wonder what like Barbara Broccoli is going to think when she just watches like glum Jonah Hill be ostracides from his family in like an Upper East Side townhouse. in a slightly alternate New York. So this is the thing. It's like, was that the material?

Is that what Carrie wanted to do with that specific group of material? And is he essentially, like, I do what's right for the material that I have? Or is he going to get midway through and he's going to be like, you know what we got to do here now is you have to do underwater swimming?

You have to scoop dive for 20 minutes. Probably, but like, isn't that a better outcome than him getting halfway through and being like, you need to cry in the scene? Yes. Or Danny Boyle being like, I'm going to do five split screen on VHS, and we're going to talk about socialism. I'm into that.

I don't know if I'm into that with Bond. I can't tell. Bond is so funny because it's not somebody, as I get older, I find that I feel less and less emotional ownership over these characters. Like, I don't really, like, when, spoiler alert, when Luke dies at the end of Last Jedi, I'm not like, oh, no, there goes part of my childhood. I was like, oh, I'm probably ready for this to happen. Bond is not somebody that I am either overly committed to as like he needs to walk into an office and throw his fucking hat over there and then say something cute to Miss Moneypenny and then say this to Q and say this to M. I'm more like you guys can play around with this or whatever, but like if I want like a real movie about something, there are other places to go. So I'm kind of fine with Bond being Bond, you know?

I agree. And I think that Carrie's a great hire for that because I think, you know, he doesn't, it's not that he doesn't. it's not that he doesn't do interiority. It's not that he doesn't do, you know, dialogue and interpersonal stuff. But as even maniac kind of shows, he really soars when he's got a little bit more to play with than two people in a room talking. So I don't know. I'm pretty excited too. And I feel like it will work out.

And I feel like this is a nice place for him to have landed. I think that there's a lot of, I think, cynicism about. young director is getting sort of slurped into to big projects. But I think he's not as... As we see Ryan Coogler oversees Space Jam too. Yeah, I don't think he's not as young as some. Yeah. I think he's got a little bit more work under his belt.

And I also think his talents are kind of pop talents. And he's just been working and stuff that's not quite pop. And I'm actually super excited to see him take on something of the scale and size of the bomb movie. I wonder what's like Robert Purvis and Neil Wade, like what their email. emails are like, where they're just like, so we got fired. Danny Boyle's here. Now we're back. We're back.

Our script is back. And then they're like, wait, now they're going to want to rewrite my whole script again. Well, okay. It was a lovely emailer. I can attest to that. That's good. All right. Zach Barron, thank you so much for coming by.

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this is basically the same thing, but I found them through Spotify. I was listening to a bunch of different bands based off of one live performance that I saw by a guy named Rudy DeAnda at a bar randomly, really randomly. And I was like, oh, this guy's pretty good,

and I started reading about this LA scene of bands that were sort of drawing from everything from like 60s Soul to Psychedelia and playing out of Long Beach in East L.A. and different spots around Los Angeles. And it seemed like there was this loose community, of bands of which the Alton's were apart. And I just sort of read a little bit about them and started listening to them and just

love them so much. And they're locals. So it was not that hard for them to come on by and play a few songs. If I had to describe their sound, I mean, that's the nice thing about 2018. You don't really have to describe anything. You can just hear it. But they are, they remind me a little bit of a kind of rock version of 60 Stacks Soul with a little bit of a Latin flare to it. They've been compared before to the Alabama Shakes. I love

Adriana Flores's voice. I love, love, Brian Ponce's guitar style, which really goes all over the place from these kinds of heroic guitar solos to really classic Steve Cropper, Booker T and the MGs, like rhythm guitar style. So it's just a really delightful, delightful band. You need more bands like this in your life. And I hope you guys check out the Alton's. You can find their music on streaming services and follow them at the Alton's, A-L-T-O-N-S, to find out when they might be playing near you. I highly recommend seeing them live. I chat with them a little bit about being a young band in Los Angeles, and we get to hear a couple of songs, which are great. Here are the Alton's. It's my pleasure to be joined by the Alton's. We just heard you guys play three songs.

You guys mind introducing yourselves? I'm Brian. I play guitar and I sing. I'm Adriana and I sing. I'm Gabriel and I play bass. And I was just wondering, like, I want to hear the sort of basics about like how you meant where you started and stuff like that. But I was wondering if you could describe the first time that you were playing together and you were like, oh, this is what we sound like. We used to have this little studio in the city of Vernon and we invited Adriano over one time. And, yeah, we were just playing our songs.

She came in and we did this cover of summertime, the old song. and we had her sing on it and it just blew us all the way it worked we're like oh we got something going here were you looking to join a band at the time I was in a band but it's always just you jam with other people when you're like in other groups

and it just kind of fit it worked yeah so tell me a little bit about it so you like where were you guys how did you guys kind of like connect that was you met Adriana through this this fortuitous cover of summertime but what was going on like right before then? We're all part of this

collective musicians around the East L.A. and South East L.A. area. So we've all kind of just played in bands with each other and like seen or heard of each other, seen each other around. And it just so happened that, uh, I've, well, I've been playing with Gabriel for a while because we went to high school together. Yeah. And then we had another project before this one. Okay. But then we, yeah, we heard of Adriana. We saw her play one time. We met her at a show and we invited over. So it's just kind of like a community musicians that all recite. You get on bills with different bands and you can show up at the bar and you check each other out.

You open for them, they open for you. Exactly. That was it. Yeah, yeah. What are some of the other bands in that scene? There's La Chamba, Bank Hot Twinsies, the Steady 45s. Weapons of mass creation. It's just a bunch of groups.

And is it largely like a lot of it, like some of the 60s soul, Verton beats? It definitely like taps into that. I feel like it's a weird fusion of like a lot of things we grew up listening to. And then we sprinkle in like inspirations that we've heard from our parents, like through boleros and through rock and like the different things we listen to. That's really cool. So yeah, it's cool. It's a cool mix. Because it's like right now it's sort of funny.

I mean partially because I'm a little washed and like I'm 40, but like I think that because of the way, ironically because we have access to so much music and so much information about music, sometimes I feel like I read or think about just like the same old bands over and over and over again. And I was always kind of wondering, one of the things I was hoping to talk to you about

was sort of like the state of like a local scene when everybody can listen to everything all the time anyway. you know, like, do you find that it's a pretty, like, a vibrant experience being in a band right now? Like, it's really supportive and, I guess you see what I'm saying? Like in a local sense? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's definitely more organic if you're going to those shows and you're, like, going specifically for a certain band. And, like, you're really going out of your way as opposed to just being at home in your room listening, which there's nothing wrong with that.

But if you're going to the scenes and supporting the band, it does become this organic thing. It's really supportive. So the bands we just, like, mentioned. So like Chamba, Entropa Magica, we know all those guys. Yeah. And we all hang out. And, like, we shoot each other's names to, like, different people, like, to try to get them gigs. So it's, there's still that old nostalgic feeling of, like, support.

A community. Yeah. But then also that could easily, like, the lines are blurred with online with being on the web, with searching for bands that aren't even near us. You know what I mean? The thing is, too, that we've all been playing, like, backyard shows, like, in high school. Like, all the musicians that are around, we've been doing it for a while. So we all know each other from, like, the house party. scenes and from backyard shows and things like that.

Well, we shouldn't have been partying in high school. We were. That's okay. And we were like in backyard shows. We were like, yeah, nurturing that. Sorry, mom. You know, the way I actually heard about you guys was I went and saw, I randomly went to a Rudy DeAnda show.

Oh, cool, cool. And I actually saw him in Ohio, of all places. And I was just looking him up on Spotify and you guys came up and recommended, basically like, recommended if you like. Yeah, we know Rudy too. Do you find that that kind of random stuff happens now because of the way people can find stuff online. Yeah. It definitely does. Yeah. The technology definitely changed the game for musicians and like how to network. So rather than before, we're just here's the

flyers, you know, like by word of mouth. It's kind of like an electronic word of mouth. Now it's like, yeah. Yeah. You just send links on YouTube and stuff like that. So what do you guys, you guys are working on your first full length now? Right. Yes. So you've been working on it for a while? Yeah, it's been a while. Tell me a little bit about it. It's just a collection of songs that we've been that we've had just gigging. We've been gigging for the past year or two, just nonstop and we finally got together and went to the studio and recorded them. Yeah.

So just a collection of songs that we've had, we've been playing, we're proud of, decided to finally put them out. Do you guys mostly play it, like, are you trying to replicate the live experience when you're playing in the studio? Is there a lot of studio? We definitely added different things, I guess, for a different feel. Yeah. But definitely have the same elements of a live show that we do.

That's cool. Yeah, it's definitely very, like, live sounding. We did record it in, like, one of those old style studios where it was, like, they have... We're all playing at the same time, and they're making everything up. And with, like, dividers and stuff like that. Yeah, everybody, like, I feel like you guys have such an incredible live sound. Oh, thank you. Like, capturing that is, like, a job in itself.

Is it? Is it? Yeah. Shout out to Joel Jerome. Yeah. And they're the ones who, like, helped us and, like, got it done. the tedious cycle of doing it over and again. So you put the record out and we're recording this in August,

but the record will probably be out in September at some point, and then you guys are going to try and tour it? Yeah. Oh, definitely. Yeah. We were talking just a little bit before the podcast started about, like, the average music fan probably thinks, oh, this band's just going to put out a record and just like go out on tour,

but it's like a massive undertaking. No, there's so much, so much work that goes into it. What's the farthest point you guys have been so far? Texas, you said? Texas, yeah. Austin, Texas. Austin, Texas. in Austin for South by?

And did you gig down there and gig back, or did you just like drive straight? A little bit. Yeah. We caught a gig in Arizona and... And then we just drove overnight. Yeah, we caught a gig in Arizona the night before we had a gig in Texas. So we played the gig in Arizona. At 9 at night, drove all day, got to... We changed in the car, got to the show, just jumped out and had a set up and played.

Jumped out, jumped on stage. I think we had to play at 4.30. We got there like at 425, so we jumped off. Oh, that's rock stars. It's right at the end. It's hard. What's the album called? It's called In the Meantime.

Okay. And people will be able to find it on streaming music platforms and everything like that. Me and Andy obviously shoot it out when it comes out. Thank you. I really appreciate you guys coming by. Thank you for having for us. This is a cool experience. This is Alton's. Thanks, guys.

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