The Watch - Ep. 111: The Golden Globes After-Party With Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins

Episode Date: January 9, 2017

The Ringer’s Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald are joined by ‘Jam Session’ cohosts Amanda Dobbins and Juliet Litman to rehash the best (3:45), worst (9:45), weirdest (22:13), and favorite moments from the Golden Globes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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My name is Chris Ryan. I am an editor at The Ringer.com, and it's a special episode today, joined by Andy Greenwald, as usual, and also Amanda Dobbins and Julia Littman from Jam Session. This is the Golden Globes After Party Show. So we're talking about who had the most fun, things we were displeased about,

the best, the most, what was weird, and whether any of it matters. We're going to start off right away by talking to Amanda Dobbins about whether or not this was a good award show to begin with. I thought it was a comedian event fest. There were high moments for me. We'll talk about the crown.

This is not just here for random reasons. I love Ryan Gosling. So there were highs, there were some definite lows, and I thought Jimmy Fallon was terrible. Got off to a rocky start for Jimmy. I think that we've been... I like to think it was just an homage to Mariah, and a

validation Mariah Carey. So I thought it was fine with it. So this was like an Andy Kaufman meta bit he was doing. Kind of. He just was like in solidarity with a fellow performer. Sure. I think that we've been operating under a false premise for a couple years, which is that the Golden Globes are the Good Award show. Yeah. Controversial opinion.

Only because, with a smaller voting block of admitted, you know, easily bribeable international crazies, you get wild winners, you get surprise winners, you get upsets, sometimes things that really deserve to win, win, and sometimes the crown wins. But in general, it's very surprised. I want to make this spicy. Yeah, it's fine. But in general, it has been exciting, it has been fun, and as I said at the beginning, it is legitimately Hollywood's drunken nights.

You expect there to be some strange fireworks or some sloppy some things. Apparently, though, when you take away hosts that want to play into that, like Tina Fey and Amy Poehler the last few years, you kind of just get an award show. Well, I feel like Amy and Tina is one of their go-to moves was going into the crowd. Yes, they do something fun. They do a lot more work with the crowd. A lot of interaction, a lot of bringing everyone into it. And Jimmy Fallon did none of that.

As Amanda pointed out, it disappeared for an hour, which I guess isn't that weird, but we're used to the host being more involved. We can put so much of like an emphasis on who's hosting and, oh, my God, this person going to host is they're going to kill it. They're going to burn Hollywood down or they're going to play to the cheese. cheap seats. And then it winds up really always being like they do 15 minutes in the beginning, a couple of interstitials. And that's it. I would say my disappointment is actually not with the hosting, but the people in the room were not as fun tonight as they usually are. Because it is

the drunkest night of television. You do have movie and TV actors there. And the Hollywood foreign press loves famous people. I won't do anything to get Brad Pitt in the room as they did tonight. And that was great. I loved seeing Brad Pitt there. But we needed Taraji P. Henson, like someone who really reacts. Yeah. Or you needed Leo making fun of Lady Gaga as She walked to the stage, which happened last year, which was, you know, there was great. There was no gift for lack of a better annoying grace. Or, you know, in this case, obviously the greatest justice that was finally done tonight was that Merrill Street won an award, which I think terrific.

Like, talk about going out on a limb. But as much as I admired and liked her speech, which I did, she was very earnest this year winning that award. And honestly, if the Golden Globes in general are a giant goof, the Cecil B. DeMiller Award or whatever that's called is the biggest goof because it's really just like, who can we get to come this year. And then who has famous friends who will come introduce that person. I think Spielberg has won it like seven times.

I think he's going to win it next year. Because that usually is, because this is the award show where you don't have to do the songs. This is the award show where you don't do the in-memorium. And so the one bit that's going to usually just be the drunkest, most celebrity-centered thing was the most earnest part of the show. Let's start talking a little bit about the show itself. And I want to ask you, who do you think had the most fun tonight? earnestness aside. I think it was a good night for Gosling.

I think we all agree on that. Yeah, I think that was the unanimous. And I think I had the most fun, well, Juliet and I had the most fun watching Ryan Gosling give that speech, which was really beautiful. It was just a new, it was a side of Ryan we don't usually get. It was great. Disagree, actually. I thought some of his ad lives up there suggest that maybe he's been writing his own scripts for last year because he had like a little. He did seem, well, I just feel like he, like the way his accent is constantly changing, his, like, most recent part has, like, is still, like, rubbed off on him.

Yeah. It's like he hasn't watched his first pair of jeans, like, in a while or something. I want to be sure that you both heard the content of a speech because your jaws dropped in tandem when he went up there. There's nothing wrong with him showing feelings of affection and love for his family. Nothing wrong with him. Yeah, he was a beautiful man. He was a beautiful man. He was only able to do this because of the women in my life.

Shout out to Ryan Gosling. Plus, he was charming. Plus, listen, he's never going to win the Oscar. So I was very glad to have this moment. This was the only Ryan Gosling speech I was going to get this season. And I am very glad that I got it. He's probably really happy too, because until this point, his biggest award show moment was making out with Rachel McAdams on stage. at the MTV's, yeah.

So now he's got a real, like, substantive, like, I'm an adult, I'm a dad, look at this moment instead. Wait, who do you think he's gonna win the best actor? I mean, it'll be between Casey and Denzel. Yeah. I mean, Gazzick has no chance. I don't know. You think, what, you think he's creepy?

I think it's like a, I think it just feels like there, there could be like, basically a la-la-land unanimous. Maybe this is just one of those times where it just becomes like a Golden Globes phenomenon and then there's just like a little bit more fracturing as it goes into the Oscars. And I know that there's already like a huge la-la-land backlash of which I'm kind of like neither here or they're about. But it just seems like this was very much the coordinated movie today.

I'm the captain now. You're the captain of that backlash? Look, I just don't think he's ever going to be in contention to the Oscar. He'll be nominated most likely. But there's a grand tradition of movies winning Best Picture and then the serious dramatic role winning.

I just don't think he's good. I don't think he's going to have much to say against Zenzel and Casey. Speaking of Lollah Land, I think that your most fun was actually sort of a bit player in that whole mosaic of Lola. But we saw her a lot.

Yeah. Damien Chal's girlfriend. Can we talk about it? Olivia Hamilton. Yes. Can I pull up her IMD? Sure. She's got some stuff ruined.

I just want you guys to know about it. I don't know. Yeah. Do you have some background you'd like to share with us about this relationship? They live in Venice. They have a rescue dog. They have a rescue dog. I entered my password incorrectly.

While you're looking that up, let's check out, let's check out a quick clip, right, of Olivia Hamilton. Oh, the awkward. Is this a good one or the? Oh, okay. So, no, go ahead. You just go ahead and let me know the item. Do you want me to reenact it?

No, it's okay. Okay. Literally just like this. Oops. Guys, we've got champagne here. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And the mirror of all. Um, she has seven credits as an actress.

Okay. Three of them were listed in 2016, actually four. She was Brie, gluten free girl in La La La Land. So she had an ex-she was, she was in the cafe with Emma Stone. Who could forget that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course.

When Ryan Gosling comes in. I remember that. She seems delightful. So you have to assume that she and Emma Stone spent like, through this whole thing, they've spent like at least five hours together. I would go up to 12 even. Yeah, long days on Hollywood set. Very little interaction between them tonight.

Very little. Although let's dispense with this fiction that the movie was written for her, as Dave Jazeel suggested. Well, not just to be in. I mean, for his fiancee or girlfriend, Olivia, right? Yeah, so he wrote this before La La Land. He wrote this back when he was walking the mean streets of Cambridge as a Harvard University. Back when he was married to someone named Jasmine Maglade. Yeah, wow.

who did not have a credit on this film through the whole festival season. And then for the final print after Tellurad got an executive producer credit. And now it's also on her bio. So just some drums. Yeah. I don't know. But Olivia Houns is having a great time. She got a lot of close-ups.

And her man won a lot. So like, what's not to love? Plus, she's in this movie. I will say her other credits with an actress are all in 2016. They're currently listed as post-production. And it's 2017. We're working on it. So I don't know, Olivia.

They're just uploading it to Abby. There was a lot. I mean, one of the reasons people say that they like Lala Land. so much is that they're like, oh, I had such a great time in the theater. It's such a positive film. It's so uplifting and fair enough. That seemed to have translated into the room. People seem just generally supportive of it. I would like to say that Kenneth Lonergan's face speaks for me. That camera was willing to go back to literally anyone who is even in the room, except Kenny Lonergan after that incredible performance in reaction to what I think was the speech

of the evening, which we're coming back to. I have a cue for you. Yeah. Are people saying it's uplifting? Like, is that a thing people are saying? Yeah. Oh, people had a wonderful time. Is there a president fan? Do you find that film of Lallaland? Hold on. Oh, I didn't go about Manchester by the sea. I was just like... This is from the person...

Juliet earlier in the evening, our audience to know, said that fences was delightful. I thought we were talking about hidden figures. Right. Hidden fences. I think people are being very sentimental about Lallelam, which is also the level on which I appreciate it, which I guess I'll just be honest now. I saw it once and I was like, that was fine.

Sure. Had some good moments, some bad moments, thought Ryan Gosling was transcendent. Yeah. Then I saw it again. and I was, like, deeply moved by the last 20 minutes? I don't know. I don't know what happened. I don't know. It's not a good, it's not a perfect film.

Do you often wonder your choice about marrying Tom Everett Scott? Do you feel like sliding doors? I really, I'm waiting for the Tom Everett Scott Sessel B. DeMille Award. He should get it next year. Before we move on to the things that we're displeased about, the results are in from the voting. This is a little bit chilling to do this. Oh, no. Who's having the most fun?

Our listeners and watchers said, Damien Chazel's girlfriend, 34%. Ryan Gosling, 30% celebrity bear hunters, which we didn't mention. That was my pick. That's your bit. And Lakeith Stanfield from Atlanta got 17%. So, Damichazel's girlfriend. Woo-hoo! Wow, you've got your finger on the pulse.

Big night for her. Let's talk about what we're displeased about. Okay. I was not, like, outraged at this show, but like, did you have anything that you were particularly displeased about? I was very disappointed that Mahershala Ali did not win for best sporting actors. That was just, like, straight bullshit, and it was the first category. right or second maybe it was early in the show it was shocking Aaron Taylor Johnson oh yeah

yeah like I already forgot but that seemed like a parody like that was just so weird just I just want to say Aaron Taylor Johnson is amazing and doctoral animals sure but did anyone see that coming like that was that was peak I can say Aaron Taylor Johnson before he won and then me and Tate were like I got you that was that was very very very surprised I thought he was fine I didn't even hate noctural animals like everyone else I loved it But isn't this... I mean, would you characterize the year this way? I feel like there aren't...

Who has horses in these races? Like, who's passionate about these? Who's particularly passionate? In many years, there's like the good movie and the bad movie that might win, and people get very fired up about it. People feel robbed. This year, there's some pretty good movies

and some very good performances. And it doesn't feel very contentious. People are pretty fired up about moonlight. People are pretty... I mean, I think that... Not saying they don't love moonlight, but they're not like, you know, fuck Manchester by the sea, are they?

More complicated on that one. Yeah, I mean, I think Manchester by the C has become like really caught. This is what happens to the award shows. Award shows are like this incredible stress test for not only the movies that they're celebrating or evaluating, but also everybody who's in them and everybody's story about, you know, that's obviously I'm eluding of Casey Affleck's controversy. It's like there's just a tremendous amount that these movies go through before they get to the finish line. Sure.

So I think that like in some ways, yes, there are people who are like, I'm not, I'm not here. I'm not really here from Manchester by the C. I was kind of just on the television side of things. Obviously, Tom Hiddleston, people had a lot of fun. Not a lot of fun, but people were making fun of Tom Hiddleston's very self-satisfied speech. It's a shame. Also, Night Manager upset in a couple of those categories, Night Manager upset. That was very surprising.

A couple of other really good contenders. But the thing is, I actually really like the Night Manager, and it's almost like a bummer that people are going to be like, man, screw the Night Manager. Because, like, you should check it out. That's why the Golden Globes remain the weirdest and hardest show to parse, because there are any number of reasons that you could say why Night Manager upset People v. OJ. One is that maybe people liked it more.

Night Manager was pretty good. I completely agree with you. Two, the Golden Globes seem to have fallen in love with being new and surprising. They definitely like to carve out their own lane and not doing what the Emmys did as much as possible. Three, the Hollywood Foreign Press. They love foreign things,

and those dudes are foreign. Great hair, but foreign. And then a show is set across Europe. Or the voters may have been members of Medcens-Saint-Saint-Sont-Frontier. Speaking of voters. Wow. Well in South Sudan.

Beautiful. Before we move on in this category, we invite you to vote on Facebook and Twitter for this category. What are you most displeased about? Julia, what were you most displeased about? I'm fucking pissed. The Game of Thrones didn't win. They make a movie every fucking week across multiple locations with hundreds of actors, and they have an amazing showrunner, Dave David Bedrock,

who always thanks his wife Amanda P. And I really wanted that tonight. I really wanted it. The thing is they almost at this point need to rename that award. Drama Series Award for the Golden Globes is the best new show. It's just gonna be the best new show. I think the affair won the other year Mr. Robot won crazy ex-girlfriend one last year not that they won in best comedy This year the one thing that I knew going in absolutely is a lot the Game of Thrones was not going to win It's not fair. It's the best show I didn't we like kind of say it might win? No

I I have hedged I have lied two people's face about what I said on our podcast last week I admit that to you. We both thought it was this is us right? Eventually. Okay, you You convinced me. I think we came in hot on Stranger Things. Right. And you made the this is us argument. They really hit those kids tonight. I was just about to say, super-und unused. I thought they were going to really drag Millie Bobby Brown out there and have her do like Nikki Minaj like five or six times.

And they really like, if they had. If they had some acts of the voters. It would have been better than how they used them, which was like for one shot during the Tom Hilson speech. Is this the moment to talk about the thing that made Amanda happiest since we're talking about the drama series? Yeah, listen. I loved the crown. I loved the crown. I had been looking forward to the crowns. Could you, could you please? How many times have you watched each episode? At least twice, because I watched it, I can't believe I'm doing this.

You've watched each episode of The Crown at least twice? Okay. I've never watched an episode of television, course. It looks great. Perfect. You look like Miss America. Great. You look like in 1984.

That's both the intention of the Crown and also one of my long-held desires. So it's good. It looks like you're ready to do your final program for figure skating. And please do, we can clear the table if need be. I have watched The Crown all the episodes twice because I watched. them once by myself and then my beloved husband is like his greatest act of love agreed to watch all the episodes

with me. He did turn to me halfway through and was like, why is this interesting? Can you explain it to me? Like it's just in like a very respectful way. I have just really always liked, I have had a weakness for British royalty. I have seen Peter Morgan's other work. I think he's for good. Which, spoiler alert is about British monarch.

Do you know that story would keep giving? Is that what he wrote? And what else? And the special relationship? Oh, yeah. The queen? Yeah. And then he also did a play starring Helen Mirren about Queen Elizabeth.

We don't have to it. It's fine. But he also wrote the film King Ralph with John Goodman. Yeah, that was what began his interest. Are you being serious right now or no? No. It was just me being really stoked.

It was somebody I love Claire Foy's dress. I thought she looked a love. Claire Foy, was that an upset? Yeah, kind of. Who did she beat? They love coronating new stars. They love that. Nailed it, coronating.

I do this for a living. Can you make the case or the crown just in, like, what's the pitch for people who might be dubious about it? I mean, if you're dubious and you aren't interested in this stuff, it's like very soothing. They're like very low stakes, well-made, well-written. You already know what happens. But, you know, for me, I'm watching it. Like $100 million, they spend it. Yeah, which is great.

But, like, you know, you've watched eight versions. I pay them $8.99 a month. That's right. You're an investor. I am an investor. Yeah. I have a stake in this company. They really have they're cutting quarter.

are narcos for the crown. What's that? I said that's not what investor means, but that's okay. It's like texting, right? I will say that the sets are amazing. The homes, like when they're fighting about moving out of Claren's house. Claren's house, I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't want to leave either. The wallpaper is incredible. They did a great job

restoring it. Prince Philip did it himself. All right, so obviously we're getting very passionate about the crown, so let's move into what were some of our best and our most for the evening since we're going to be very affirmative now. Can I take this off? Yes. Okay, thank you. Can I put it on? On the fashion tip, I thought Claire Foy looked great, but best dress was definitely Zazzy Beats.

She looked amazing. Oh, she was incredible. Love that black dress. She just looked effortless, and that's a great character anyway. I got to say, the whole cast of Atlanta looked pretty good. I think Atlanta's big stories coming out of this is just like Atlanta was this critical darling, beloved by the like small but like powerful group of people who were watching it. Us. We are investors.

You know, I think Atlanta truly, when it gets out, when it gets out, we're watching it. It's the story of me and Andy and our dedicated. Every night we listen to Outcast and sleep in a storage locker. No, but... It was just an incredible night for that show. Glover winning best actor, the show winning best comedy series. It's really exciting. This is what's best about the Golden Globes is when something relatively under the radar

can upset and get a spot on that stage, basically, make their voices heard, make their presence felt, and that could turn into something very positive. I mean, we talk about what these awards actually mean. For the movies, it really is about Oscar jockey and positioning. For TV shows, including the Crown, this is a chance to be defined as something worth watching. It's something excited to get eyes on these people, on Claire Poy, on Donald Glover, on relatively new stars to a lot of people. And it was really thrilling. We got a question from a viewer named Aaron Sarrotsky, who was wondering, what was the biggest night in a night of surprises?

Were you surprised at all by Atlanta? No. Okay. I mean, with the Hollywood foreign press and with, you know, Andy's been described. and they do weird things. And so they don't always reward the best show. And the fact that every single person we know, myself included, it's like Atlanta was the best show on television.

As an Atlanta native. Yes. You could have seen them screwing it up. So I was surprised they didn't screw it up. Like shout out to Hollywood Foreign Press on that. Especially because there were two Amazon series in the category as well. And Amazon, I'm not saying Amazon has a lot of money. I'm not saying they're just like.

Billy Bart Horton's hair doesn't come cheap though. Seriously. Alexa, get Billy Bob Thornton the Golden Globe tonight. But that was legitimately, for me it was surprising. I did not think they were going to win, and it was legitimately thrilling. It's also nice because since it is like an international show and so much of

Hollywood and entertainment relies on basically exporting these American things, other places, where hopefully people will watch them and the rights and translation and all that, like it makes it more likely the show will be more international success and have a longer life and more money, etc. Sometimes there's a little bit of like a weird delay with like a show getting rewarded

I think OJ got another award tonight, but it felt like OJ really had its moments at the Emmys, and that it was kind of nice to sort of get some new blood into the award show if you're gonna sit through a three-hour award show. You kind of want to get like a mix of stuff in there. Counterpoint, best speeches at the Emmys were all from the OJ people. I missed them. I could have used a little more, Vance, could have used a little more. But like, I honestly feel like you should almost be limited to one serious speech

and then one like, just kind of like, I'm improvving, this is just fun vibe speech. Because if you're gonna win multiple times, It's like almost like, ah, I really, remember when McConaughey was basically just doing like a riff on the same thing for the Dallas Bires Club run? And he would just basically like- But he peaked early. He peaked at the globes. Right, exactly. That was the first all right, all right, all right, wasn't it? In a speech, at least not ever. Probably not ever.

For the speeches. When we were watching tonight, there were a lot of like very clearly pre-rehearsed speeches that felt very halfway to me. A lot of throwbacks to fighting tuberculosis at the Oscars when she won for Les Mis. We ask a lot of these beautiful, rich unicorns. And one of them is to appear to be completely off the cuff and inspired and emotional. We also want them to have content and to be good at it. I thought tonight we didn't really get the sweet spot very often of what we wanted. I think Gosling probably was the best speech because it did seem to be in the moment,

but also did have prepared things to say that were actually meaningful. Other people were either too rehearsed or it didn't quite get there. Yeah, it's like we can't ask. What speech are people? What are you doing to talk to this? Literally what's their job? No, but if they're like, it's literally all they do is to content. But if they're caught in the axis of like sincerity and sort of like brushing it off, like it's like, I'm just like some weirdo up on stage.

Like you kind of, it's always hard to hit that main target where you're just like, oh, this is really great. You're being so heartfelt, but actually now you're making it weird. Yeah, but again, it's hard, but they are supposed to be able to do this. And I think that actually. But they say things that other people write for them. Sure, but I do also. Yeah, we'll have someone else write this. That's true.

And then learn how deliberate and convincing way. I do think part of... Would you have Peter Morgan write your speech? Yes. Although, weirdly, Peter Morgan's speech is not that good. Not grace. Yeah, that's true. In terms of not just the acceptance speeches,

but there was also, obviously, people are presenting and there's always a snafu with the teleprompter or maybe a bit that doesn't go off as well as they hoped. I thought obviously Kristen Wigg and Steve Korel were the funniest part about the show. I still am waiting for Kristen Wig to be able to host an award show. I don't know if it would be the weirdest thing of all time if she did it. But, like, I just kind of want to be alive when that happens.

Low-key shout to the other best Kristen tonight, which was Kristen Bell's face, when she realized that Cuba Gooding Jr. really was going to do that. She just grinned, and this is what actors can do, she just smiled her way through it. I've never heard anyone say a bad thing about Kristen Bell, so here we are. You want to? Should we start? No. I just want to say that Kristen Bell was the highlight of bad mobs. I was late to bad moms by Kristen Bell

like a tour to force in bad moms That's all I have to say And you call yourself a cult I'm not here I am Shocking She's also still great and forgetting Sarah Marshall Which has been on TV lately She's been talking about that a lot

Like she has like a thing where she'll like She refers to like three of her roles And that's like only They're only three that she's ever done She's like there's Veronica Morris For getting Sarah Marshall and like And the good place And then like everything else is just sort of like

Why doesn't she talk about Spartan? I know Oh my gosh That is her single best for movie Great David Mamet. Well, let's talk a little bit about, like, then obviously that wig and corral bit was pretty strange. So we want to do a bit, a segment here called That Was Weird, about the more awkward moments of the show. So if you guys have any suggestions, you should just let us know.

Did you have one that you thought was particularly odd? Well, I think I already alluded to it. I did think it was weird when Tom Hiddleston talked about how volunteer workers in Sudan were binge watching his AMC series. I just felt like that was a little rough. Yes, it was. A lack of self-awareness. And not to belittle the situation that he was talking about, but he himself in the speech belittled it to such an extent.

So, I mean, I don't want to blow this out of proportion, but I think that his career is in shambles after this, and he'll never be James Bond. I'm just going to put that out there. Disagree. You do? Yeah, I don't think that anybody is like, did you remember what Hittleston did at the Globes?

Let's get him out of here. But he's coming off a rough year. Where he won a Golden Globe and was in Thor again? Do you remember that he? I guess it's like not this year. He dated someone this year. For 15 minutes. Question is, did he date her?

And her name is Taylor Schlest. I just want to admit to you guys now, this is comfortable, hopefully. I really like the song from 50 Shades darker. But Taylor Shubbed in Zane. I'm really sorry. I've been waiting to get that off my chest. This whole time? Yes.

Sorry, she had to throw that out there. Is it worth recreating the conversation we had during the show where you tried to explain to me how there's a sequel to a movie about people just boning? Let's go back to Hilsen versus. Yeah, here's the thing is like, take Hilsen out of it. Have you ever written someone off because of their behavior at an award show? Like, can you even remember an award show before this? The name Ann Hathaway just, just emerged.

Actually, you were... Hollywood never forgets when it comes to you. Also, Adrienne Brody. The thing is, I actually like Anne Hathaway as an actress, but, like, her person has never recovered from the press tour of Lamez. That award speech was... That Oscar speech was so catastrophic for her. Like, all, like, should women characters be likable internet essays started with that speech?

I'm not kidding. That's true. Like, she started a whole economy. So yes, that does better. Okay. Adrian Brody. Adrian Brody, one best actor. And then he made 19 terrible choices about what movies to make.

But, you know, I think it all starts from something. What about Hillary Swank and Chaddow breaking up because she didn't thank him? They're a divorce now. I guess, yeah. I guess that's true. I guess that's... Oh, yeah, and Affleck saying the weird thing about his marriage during the Argo except. But now he's in, like, Affleck is Batman.

Like, I think for like just like there's like a large swath of people who don't actually remember or care about what happens during these shows So we place a lot of importance on it, but to say Tom Hiddleston is over Like I don't even know why I'm like like caping up for Tom Hiddleston here, but I guess I'm just I just got to do it I just think he's gonna say he shouldn't be bond I don't think he'd be a good bond No, he'd be a terrible bond so you think he'd be a good bond no I don't and he was pretty good night manager Nice linen shirts. Oh, he really knows how to wear something breathable lousy. I know Can we just get Ryan Gosling his bond I know he's American.

No. First of all, so many British people. He's Canadian. Oh, right. He's Canadian. Merrill Streep told you that tonight. Yeah, that was tough. Okay, guys, let's just take a quick break from our sponsor before we go any further.

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Another really weird thing is, whatever the relationship is between Emma Stone and Damien Chiselle. They had like an awkward hug when he went up for the first time. And then she kind of did like a very like cursory, just like a courtesy smile whenever he mentioned her. It just was weird. There's something going on with those two. Maybe she doesn't like Olivia Hamilton or it's just not over the scene of when she was rude to her. She just Olivia Tolly stole her shine. Maybe she wishes that he would make room for women in his movies and not just blame them for.

like getting in the way of art. I don't know. Just a thought. Just a thought. The problem... Definitely possible. The problem is that Olivia Hamilton appreciates jazz.

And Emma Stone doesn't. I don't know. It was weird because it seems like their whole... They've always been very tight on that movie. And then tonight it just seemed awkward. Also, tough for Emma Stone because Andrew Garfield was one table away.

He seemed psyched for her. No! Standing O! When she won, Andrew Garfield, alone at his table. I believe... I don't actually believe it. I don't want them.

Love never dies. Can I say just a quick 30 seconds? about Andrew Garfield. I saw silence yesterday. Oh. The worst three hours that I've had at the movie theater in a very long time,

but I did spend at least 30 minutes of the movie, just imagining what it must have been like to be Emma Stone, dating Andrew Garfield as he was preparing to be a Jesuit priest and be like, Emma, I read this book. I really need to tell you about it for four hours.

Let me tell you about how faith is it. But she was like, Jesus Christ. Don't slam doors in the face of creative people. Has Andrew Garfield had the quietest, loudest year in history? He has his big profile in your times about being like the spiritual ghosts in the Hollywood machine. But the movies that he was in, Hacksaw Ridge and Silence, just sound like nightmares.

Nobody's going to see these movies in great numbers. Yeah. Right? So is he, if his career falls in a forest, did anyone hear it? Like, what's going on with him? I mean, I think he's, like, exercising the ghost of Spider-Man, right? In the most annoying way possible. Like, by literally, like, losing all the weight that he's ever gained in his life to be.

I thought that there were some other weird bits on the show that I, the, the Sophia Vergara horrific thing is like kind of probably. It's time for that to end. I feel like that's got trotted out a couple of times. I wasn't, you know, I thought Quest Love's music selection was amazing. The fact that just to get a rep by Gangstar was played over course of a Golden Globe show, but I could have done without Jimmy Fallon's Cypress Hill bit. Yeah.

Thanks for bringing up Eddie Redmayne. Did you guys notice that when they were doing... I didn't bring up Eddie Redman. Well, he's part of the Cypress Hill bit. Oh, okay. You did. Own it. You did.

I was like Eddie Redmayans in Cyprus Hill. Well, then they were doing the... Right. When they were doing the, like, my first job or whatever, the only one who got bleeped out was like Eddie Redmayne? Was that intentional? No, I think that was just a technical. Which is our TV?

Oh. I was like conspiracy theory. Eddie Redmayne. Famously works blue. Everybody knows that about it. Sorry, back to Cybers Hill. Wait, I've got a weird moment, which was just how much you two loved the My First Job Segment. We love this.

We're just fucking. Dying. We love it. I think it. Yeah, I don't know. Celebrities are just like us. Look, the Fallon thing, what show was Fallon hosting? So I was going to say he thought he was hosting the Oscars, he was hosting the Oscars, he was hosting the Golden Globes. But it was more like he was hosting a high school talent show with that stuff.

It was weird. He's a celebrity cheerleader, which works on a talk show. But as ridiculous as a word show are, they are at least, you have to, at some level, either keep up the pretense that it's about art and making good art or puncture holes in it. And he didn't need it. I think his biggest flaw was that he disappeared and it was like kind of fine. Yeah, they all disappeared, but no one missed him. Yeah, yeah.

I don't think that there's any, like, there have been award shows in recent memory of a Croc. Where, like, you're like, oh, we're going to remember that monologue for a while. We're going to talk about that monologue for a while. Jimmy came out, immediately was like the prompter's broken, did a shuffle and tried to like kind of make up for it, which may or may not have been a bit. Pretty much immediately got to the stuff. He ducked out on any of the Trump night tonight show. stuff, which I think he, I thought maybe he would bring up as like kind of a self-referential

bit, but I guess not. You probably doesn't want to relive him touching his hair. Right, or whatever. I mean, there was like a certain contrast between the politics of a lot of the speeches and Jimmy's kind of benign hosting, which is fine, but it's just worth noting. I think that's why the speeches did feel earnest. You got the impression that everyone who had a platform felt they needed to really use it. And so while it made it for a less fun show, it is in some way, while like Emma Stone's speech

maybe with a little tone deaf and certainly Tom Hilton, at least everyone seemed to be aware of like the gravity of their platform, which I guess is nice. The weirdest moment of... I was just going to say, we didn't mention the one speech that I thought did hit all the quadrants,

which was Tracy Ellis Ross. He was deserving, who has always been on that show. Funny, self-effacing, very grateful, very excited to be there, but also like kind of like a lovely sentiment. Yeah, she was terrific. And a great dress. And during Merrill Streep's speech,

my that was weird moment was definitely the cutaway to Vince Vaughn and Melkinson who looked like they were like watching the end of 2001 while she was talking. I have no idea it was going through their minds. Were you talking about Hacksaw Ridges, Vince Vaugh? Okay, I didn't know how to place it in the room.

I didn't realize. Yeah. So let's get to the end sort of like the takeaways, right? So a lot of fun has had at the expense of the Golden Globes about how it's basically superficial, how we've fought for impress. You can buy them with a nice lunch, et cetera. But does it matter?

Does anything that happen tonight matter in so much as basically the discourse around these movies and television, but also like going forward whether or not La La Land now has like pretty much a clear runway to the Oscars. Right. I mean I think that you can argue that La La Land has both totally cemented its front rudder status and at the same time like backlash starts tomorrow. Yep. Backlash starts right now. Backlash started like two hours ago. Yeah, but I think that it probably won a little too much for its own good and like do the Golden Gloves matter? Like no, not really except in how they affect the Oscar conversation. Yeah. And they do like you can't it's precency bias, but you just, it's the thing that you think you think of. Sure. So I think they, I'm sure they're very happy that they won, and like on Thursday they won't

be as happy that they won. It's almost like they have so much, how much, when did the Oscars, March 8th? February 26th? That's my favorite day. They have however many days, six weeks or whatever. Like, I feel like there's the way that the cycle goes now, they'll have the backlash, and then there will actually be like a mounted defense of Lala Land period in a couple weeks. Because the nominations aren't for a couple weeks.

Yeah. So I can go. La La Land is going to win. There's no question La La Land is going to win Best Picture, I don't think. But the one thing that was supposed to come out of this evening, I think, was the clear-cut alternative. And I don't know if we got there. I guess just by the nature of it, by the fact that it won, Moonlight would be the alternative. But Casey Affleck did win. Isabel Hubert won.

Who knows? That makes things kind of interesting for the Best Actress Award, at least, with Emma Stone and Isabel Huper. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was extremely, when the nominations came out, I was surprised at how. little attention Jackie got from because you'd think that that is like a Hollywood foreign press and Natalie Portman, a famous person playing Jackie O like Presti, dropped up. I was surprised that she didn't win tonight even though they didn't care for Jackie. Yeah. And I do kind of, she was definitely

the front runner before tonight. I wonder if she's still, when they're all in one category, maybe she still is. Yeah, something still could change for sure. And there's there is the foreign aspect of the foreign press that maybe wanted to give Isabella Perry, who's wonderful an award. They just scorned Europe. So they're probably like, nah, Natalie. That's probably... I do kind of wonder, though, whether or not, I mean, the table gets set by the Gold Globes in some way, but if they're... Because a lot of these movies do have, like, January 13th-wide release dates. Not that there's, like, a surge of popular opinion necessarily, but we've talked about this, and I think that this is sort of far-fetched at this point,

but it's worth mentioning, like, let's say, like, Patriots Day is a box office sensation or something like that. Or, let's say there is, just, you know, like any... Fences. If a lot of people get to go see fences finally, and, in... January that Denzel could kind of catch up or pass Casey Affleck. One thing that's worth noting is that for a long time, because the Oscars just didn't have the Golden Globes on their radar at all, and they looked down on them, there was an enormous amount of time between the shows. And in fact, I think the nominations weren't even locked in for the Oscars by the time

the Golden Globes aired. That's no longer the case. Now the nominations are locked. They just haven't been announced yet, so they can't really be swayed, which is sort of interesting and almost a shame because I think that if they had a little bit more time to get the nominations in, Hidden Figures, for example, would absolutely get a best picture nomination. It's a smash, smash hit, beloved by audiences. Yeah. Apparently delightful. I just, I believe it. It's moving, and I had a great time

watching it, and the three women in it are amazing. But one thing to... It's just worth noting that looking forward to the Oscars, the nominations will not be reactive to the Golden Globes, but the winners might be. Right. And I just, I just wonder whether or not there could be, like, you know, Hell or Highwater didn't win anything tonight. Or, I mean, Jeff Bridges got nominated, but Taylor Sheridan got nominated. But there's a bunch of movies that are kind of like floating around out there that I wonder if they could enter into the conversation. Julia, we're not really talking about television that much. Mostly talking about movies here.

Did you learn anything from the television awards? Does any of this matter? Do you guys think that Billy Bob Thornton will be in one TV show for the rest of time? I mean, if you got... He's having a revival from Fargo to... It's true. First of all, he looked great. Did he?

We discussed the sunglasses. The sunglasses. His glasses. His glasses, Christian Slater's glasses, Joel Edgerton's glasses with the dark... Joel Edgerton's glasses of the evening. I just realized that, um, that... Philly Bob Thornton was really kind of like a variation on a former Johnny Depp look.

Like I feel like that was like a very deaf inspired. Yeah, now that I think about it. Depp inspired. Really? Yeah, Depp used to do like those dark round sunglasses with the longish hair on both sides. That's kind of interesting. He did. Hollywood vampires. Like in the 90s. I'm a really big David D. Kelly fan. I believe he did Glyas in me. So that's wonderful to me. And he's responsible for Big Little Wise, right? Or he's Kelly back. Yeah. Kelly back. That's great. I think that you know, the the TV side of the Golden Globes is old. the most fun and probably the least relevant in the sense of like ratings, but ratings don't even matter to TV anymore if you ask TV people. So it really is

just more of a, that side really is the party. Like I think that's the side where people get to have their coming out party. Right. And it's cool because they get to come out and they'll be like watch Atlanta best you know Golden Globe winner watch the Crown golden globe winner. It does have like a little bit of momentum going on. And it is more fun. I mean we've made the case at the Emmys year after year like Julie Louis Dreyfus is the best comic actor on television man or woman one of probably the best performer, many years running, she will win that Emmy every year that she's nominated, and she certainly has until she John Larrakets herself out of the conversation, that she should win,

but it's more fun when other people win. Yeah, it definitely is better. I mean, we had a viewer comment about the Glove's not mattering because Moonlight didn't get any love. I mean, I think Moonlight did win at the end. The lack of acting awards was disappointing. It was disappointing, but I think that, I think it's still in the conversation. I know that La La Land is obviously the favorite. I don't think Aaron Taylor Johnson's winning the Oscar.

I'm sorry, Tate. I'm not getting my hopes up. I don't see it happening. Remember Sikovia. We'll always have the Golden Globes. It was nice to see him again. Yeah. Who is it nice to see again?

Who would you miss? It was great to see Brad Pitt. It was not like, I don't know what to say. I'm not picking sides in that one. The tablet stories about him are so salacious where it's like he's just like hiding under a bed and niece. You know, and like... First of all, we all could be so lucky

because that guy looked amazing. But he looked like he was just, he looked like he'd been lifting for like the last three weeks. He's back. He looks great. He's on the Santa Clarita diet. Hit back. I unsubscribe from that. Though it was great to see Ola Phan.

And Drew Barrymore looked like she was having a fantastic side. You know what it would have been great to see? The top part of Chris Pine's cheeks. Because the beard looked like it was coming for the eyes. Yeah, that was a major problem. It was a little paste on it. What was otherwise a fantastic performance by Chris Pine in the role of Man in a Suit? I would say the one thing that these award shows teach us.

That's the role he always plays. I know he's great at it. He's pretty good at it. It's fine, I'm great. These award shows can act as sort of a barometer for celebrity in the best possible sense. Who are the star? Who are America stars? Who are we happy to see again?

Who's back doing the bit? Who's back here? We were all happy to see Reese. Who's the Jack Nicholson thing? Queen Reese is one. She looked great. Brad Pitt is another. I think it's time to reassess like where John Legend is in our universe.

He's just been involved in so many things. He's in the Daily Mail all the time. He has a really cute child now. I think his relationship with Chrissy Teagan seems great. So, reassess our relationship or your relationship? Everyone. He was in Lawland. He was a part of Selma.

He's the leader of the messengers. Yes. Everyone loves Jazz Fusion. I don't know. I forgot what the movie told me. Is that what you're going to be talking about tomorrow? What is the biggest takeaway from the Golden Gloves? You're going to go away and be like, we need to reassess our relationship to John Legend?

That's definitely one of them for me. Yes. Also. Oh, go ahead. Please. I'm just still working through my feelings about Damien Shazel, just in general. Okay. Can I ask that.

So, what do you? Who do you guys think from the younger generation of stars? Like, obviously, Leo is trying to become Jack Nicholson physically, or at least in terms of charisma and face-width. But in general, but he's not actually funny. So he's not good at doing that at award shows. Who from the next generation can fill those shoes? When Brie Larson came out, I was like, oh, she's a star.

Nice to see her again. Who's a good audience member? I'm glad you brought out the audience member thing. A lot of time in the Globes, you get a lot of friend group shocks. Like we used to get a lot of like Brad, George, Matt Damon in the Clooney years. And then very little Ben Affleck, except when he was on stage. Like just there was not a lot of like friend group action happening except for the cast of Atlanta, which is one of the reasons they were so fun to look at because they were clearly enjoying the moment together.

Christian Slater had a fantastic audience moment during the Tom Hiddleston speech. That's true. He does a good nod. That was really good. Yeah. Because the thing about it is he wanted to understand what was going on. I don't know if he did and that's why I think he tried to. But the cameras caught him at a moment where he just couldn't.

We have a couple of viewer questions. So Peggy Jean-Louis wants to know, I hope I pronounce that right, should Fleabag or Search Party be in the awards conversation? I think they kind of came out a little late for the sort of, if not the actual deadline, but at least in terms of like the critical appreciation happened a little bit late in the process. But I'm sure we'll be talking about those at some point. I hope so.

Ben Thurber wants to know is Emma Stone taking Jay Law's corner, which could be read in a couple of different ways. Oh, interesting. Well, I don't think her speech tonight was good enough to take J-Law's sort of bumbling, likable, like a real girl, corner. And I think by that performance, you may understand how I feel about J-Law's particular persona. So, no, I think Emma Stone's a little too aftery to be J-Law. I think she might win, so in that sense, you know, she might be a young person. with an Oscar.

Yeah. But... She's walking down the street with an Oscar. You're aware. This is my Oscar. Any feelings about Emma Stone versus J-Law?

Emma Stone is a theater kid. Like, she's just like, you know her, you know? J-Law is not. So, like, J-Law is like a goof who happens to be an actress to like to talk about farting.

Emma Stone has, like, been waiting for this moment for a really long time. But not, and like, you don't think she seemed thirsty, though. No. She did not seem thirsty.

She seemed like she was well hydrated and prepared. Almost too prepared. Yes, absolutely. I'm glad that she's back being a redhead currently. Yeah. Okay, really quick before we go, what is the thing you're going to be talking, what are people going to be talking about tomorrow about the

Golden Globes? Lala Land, for sure, and whether it's worth it and how it's not worth it. Atlanta. Atlanta is the best show on TV. Atlanta crashed the party last night or tonight in a big way. Hilsen, he's done. He's done! Protect Hittleston. For Amanda Dobbins, Andy Greenwald,

and Juliet Litman. I am Chris Ryan. Thank you for watching our Golden Globes after party. We enjoyed it. Have some lie on us. Lion! Lion! Okay, this has been our Golden Globes after-party chat. You can find a bunch of stuff about the globes on the ringer.com. Thanks for listening. Andy and I will be back on Thursday.