The Watch - Ep. 125: The Oscars' Surprise Ending

Episode Date: February 27, 2017

The Ringer’s Chris Ryan, Andy Greenwald, and Amanda Dobbins react to and unpack the Oscars' shocking ending (1:30), the curious case of the envelope (30:10), and other noteworthy Oscar moments. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Thank you so much for listening. This is our post-Oskar show. What a bonkers fruit loops show it was. We tried to capture the insanity of what was happening afterwards. We recorded this with Amanda Dobbins right after the show. So all of Envolope Gate that we had. had the information for at the time we tried to capture. So that's, that's this episode. Then we're also going to have Andy's got a really great interview with Lena Dunham this week and we have a

special excerpt from that interview going up today about last night's episode of Girls American Bitch. So you can check that out today. So look for that in your feed because there'll be two episodes. Andy's full interview with Lena Dunham is going to run Wednesday. We'll have a watch re-up on Thursday. Let's get to the show. I need sports to have to clear the room. Stand up and walk now La La Land Blue A 3-1 lead What's up? Academy Awards

Post Show for the Ringer My name is Chris Rye This is Andy Greenwald This is Amanda Dobbins Holy shit! I cannot believe what we just saw Or what just happened I had so many jokes prepared

about how this was our big little lies after show And they just went into the trash I mean guys I sort of feel like I just had too many Big Little Eyes drinks And now I just like dreamed that I literally don't know

I think that the people from Lala, probably feel the same way. On one, on the one hand, I can't believe this doesn't happen all the time, this has never happened before. But to the degree that the whole bit, we were sitting here being like, Warren Beatty has to make it about Warren Beatty. Yeah. And he was fumbling around making a joke. I mean, it's almost glad that there was something that was actually confusing happening. Because otherwise, I was just like, that's just like an awkward dramatic bit. Can we walk through actually what happened here?

Yeah, absolutely. Because I was like sort of in my Twitter. And so he had the envelope. He looked at, he opened it. He looked at it for a really long time. long time. He seemed confused by it. And seemed confused. And then handed it to Fay Dunaway who just said Lala Land. Correct. But then... That was the name of the movie on it. That's understandable behavior. Lala goes through one or two producer speeches. They're

getting like they're really building up. It's wrapping up. Can we just rushes the stage and self-conyes. Yeah. And it's like, oh my God, Moonlight One. I'm not joking. And like, Jimmy's out there. Like, it was a like, I mean, in a year of like all these moments, I can't believe this stuff keeps happening. This is very weird. So Warren was given the wrong envelope. He was given the envelope that said Emma Stone won best actress. But how did that happen? Well, someone at Pricewaterhouse Cooper's getting fired.

Where does the scandal end? How high does this go? Who won best actress? Isabel Uperre right now is calling all of our agents and the Jean's France press. Look, a couple things to say here. One of which is... This is not supposed to happen specifically for the...

Wait, did they not do the Pricewaterhouse moment tonight? They did not do that. Oh, my God. So we're... Wow. Are the envelopes not... There were a couple things that broke from tradition tonight. For example, they did not do the thing where people sketch the costumes,

then they come to life and the beautiful forms of the actors. They did not have a parody montage in the beginning. They celebrated La La Land, but also had musical bits about Lion. They did not have actors introduced, This is Lion. Right. They broke with a lot of tradition, including announcing the wrong movie. Can we say, though, in the spirit of generosity that was shown on stage, the La La Land speeches and all of it were quite nice, very appropriate,

They handled it about as well as you can handle something that if you were working for the better part of a year to get something like this. And they're just like, not. You war, invading, and fade, Dunaway, bricked it. Yeah. Bonnie and Clyde just wrecked your life. P.S, all these people are coming off. You guys got to get off. That's, I can't believe that that just happened.

It's like the epitome of you had one job. Can we talk about the strangest thing? Stranger than that? Moonlight, probably the best picture of the year, just one. Best Picture of the Year. I was not even there yet. I was just thinking I'm still so like, holy shit what happened that I have not gotten to the part where the best movie of the year won. We did it. Right. That's insane. We didn't do it. It's insane. I did nothing. I just sat here. It's insane to me. You tweeted a couple times. There's something very interesting about this

just in so much as like, first of all, that like you can't count on anything anymore. You know what I mean? You can't like something that is so stage managed as the Oscars that could have that kind of possibility for chaos is so wild. Like, how did that envelope get in his hands? I'm not trying to go, like, full, like, Kevin Costner and JFK here, but, like, show me the film. I want to see the tape. At least go Kevin Costner and hidden figures, and at least just direct this and get us to a better place. I mean, look, the people have been saying for a while that the only reasons to have a TV, basically now, plugged in, like not to be a cord cutter, are live events.

Sports and particularly particularly sports, but also award shows. The Super Bowl was an example of, okay, well, I guess that's why we do it, right? Because the impossible can happen and nothing is scripted. Award shows, actually,

the ratings have been going down, maybe because people aren't liking what's being awarded, but also because maybe stuff like this doesn't happen. We were preparing jokes about how we were going to officially be hour nine of the broadcast. This all happened at 12.10 a.m.

On the East Coast, all hell broke loose. It's crazy. This is terrible, Because, you know, in sports writing, there's this whole thing where it's like you're writing a gamer during the game. Oh, and you tear it up. And you're just like, oh, no. This is that, man.

Like, everybody who's writing, you know, about the Oscars has to tear it up. And now they all have to become, like, forensic scientists about how envelopes get passed. Another point, Jimmy Kimmel seemed kind of actually upset at the end, like he had screwed it up and felt bad about it. He just hosted the most legendary Oscars of all time. All of that is going to be remembered far longer than a lot of these movies. It's almost weirdly, like, because he's such a prankster, I just didn't get it for a second. I thought maybe that guy worked for Jimmy Kimmel or something. Yeah, I didn't understand who, well, first of all, when you win Best Picture, don't let the producers accept, because I had no idea who that guy was.

It's a producer's award. Who was holding an Oscar and was like, hey, Moonlight One, I'm not joking. And I was like, who the hell are you? I've never seen you before. Is this part of the Jimmy Brigade? All the credit, though, to that Lala Land producer whose name I'm forgetting, maybe someone will say in your ear, who, as you guys have said, I mean, he had one job. He's a producer of this film, and his job for the last two months,

other than to count the money, which is outrageous, has been to give these speeches as they win. And this was everything. He was speaking for them, everyone who had been a part of it, everyone in the cast, Chazelle, the movie, and then to go immediately into it and immediately say, like, my friends deserve this, I would like to give it to them. He deserves a lot of credit.

It actually was something in action that you don't see because for all the talk, usually Oscars in general are industry awards. People on the stage are always saying, I'm part of this beautiful community. I'm so honored to be with people. Actors are always saying, first I want to say my fellow nominees. And then also, everyone behind the scenes

and on their couches are like, this is bullshit. This is a town, this is a land of wolves now, right? Actually, especially in independent film, the producer guy who did that actually had the face of an actual holiday producer, which was like, I'm going to keep a straight face while I do this, and then I'm going to light someone on fire as soon as this. Okay, so when we were coming into this,

we were going to do what stood out. Obviously, the fact. that two frigging movies, one best picture stood out. So let's kind of try and recon this a little bit. Who had the best night? And I don't really, and it's definitely not the dude from Pricewaterhouse or whatever guy was like, I'm handing the envelope to Warren Beatty. Warren Bady had a pretty good night where he got to come back on the mic and be like,

shout out to Bullwark! Wasn't my fault. You guys thought I'm senile, but no, you literally screwed me up here. I think it's hard. That'd be great if he was like, that's for Ishtar. God damn. Yeah. Just the double birds and walked off stage.

You know, back when things were normal 10 minutes ago, I was going to say that I thought Mahershala Ali had the best night for a couple of reasons. One, because he deserved to win, but mainly because he won the first award. He could just enjoy the jujuvies for the rest of the night. That's always the greatest thing. Also, he's Mahershala Ali. And his life's pretty decent anyway. And he's definitely going to be a big movie star now.

But I would say, I guess, Barry Jenkins. Yeah. I mean, I don't see how that's not the case. I mean, he already, I would have, there's a case to be made for him anyway, because his speech for adapted screenplay, a very deserved win, was a beautiful and impassioned speech and one of the best of the night. But he made this movie. Yeah, we talked about this.

It's a million-dollar movie. It is a, and it is a beautiful, beautiful, gentle, kind thing. I mean, this movie is a very beautiful film, and it is the kind of movie that no one thought would win because we would all say to ourselves, we know it was good. It's going to last. Amanda, who do you think? had a great night.

I mean, I was going to say Barry Jenkins at this point. Sorry. No, it's fine. I can't honestly remember anything that happened before midnight tonight. It's just totally been washed my brain. Before, I mean, my answer is so stupid. I was going to say Matt Damon. I don't give a shit about the Matt Damon bits now.

And I liked watching them. It was such a long Oscars. I can't believe that it's 30 seconds of insanity and then it's gone. We sat here for such a long time and chipped away it takes. We were just like Carter. I can feel it's still going on. Like, they're boiling in the press room right now. Like, I honestly think we should send someone out at, like, Hollywood Boulevard and just be like, what's going on?

Are those people just like, are they okay? What if they did it? Are they responsible? What if Gary has the envelope? Did we do background checks? Seriously. Who got prank now? I was going to say my person who I thought had the best night in a weird way was Ryan Gosling

because I do think that there is a jack-sized hole at the Oscars of someone who can just regularly bring charisma. Yeah, Nicholson-sized hole. who can just regularly bring charisma and a happy to be thereness and a sort of Hollywood family vibe where they're just like, yeah, always ready for the cutaway. If there's a bit, I'll do it,

if there's a cutaway, I look great, I can present, I can practically co-host. And I thought Gosling did a really good job in all of those aspects and was a graceful loser. He was never going to win. It was always between Denzel and Casey. He had the easiest job tonight no matter what.

So I just thought he had a really nice night. I mean... Can I jump in and say? I disagree that he's the new Jack. I think Merrill Streep's the new Jack. Merrill Streep, front row, everyone talks to her, bows to her. She's always ready for a little look or a face. She's down for the jokes.

They need somebody who's like a little bit... She defeated Carl Lagerphel. I just think that Gosselike appeals to a younger generation in a certain way. Would you like to speak to a member of that generation? I understand like Amanda's not there. Actually, for me, I think in many ways the winner of the night where those of us here in the studio who got to watch Amanda's face during Ryan Gosling's face on the screen when Emma Stone won.

Yeah. That was really nice. I was going to say my top three moments are Ryan standing up to greet the sad tour bus people. Well, let's get into the Oscar super relatives then. And our best crowd reaction of the night, which I think I didn't get, we didn't get a crowd reaction. We had Taraji v. Henson, Snapchatting, that insane moment where there's like this handoff of best picture winners. We didn't really get much of a crowd. I'll have to go back and check the team.

Let me do something for you and let me see whether you recognize what I'm doing. Okay. Yes. Do you know what this is? Nicole Kidman... What is this? Nicole Kidman does know how to clap. I know.

Nicole Kidman had a weird night all around, I would say. You know? She apparently knows the words to the troll song. She was very excited. She and her musician husband, Keith, were very excited about Justin Timberlake's opening. Is Lion really a movie? Did anybody see it?

Yeah. Like Lion's a real movie. Are we sure? Yeah, sure. Okay. Is that your best crowd reaction? I'm asking for a friend. Oh, I don't.

You just freestyle it. I'm just riffing here. You're playing a little jazz. I am. Oh, wow. Amanda, who did you think was the most prepared today? Let's see. I mean, no one.

Not me. What the fuck? That's all gone out the window. Not the Oscars. Yeah. Not the Oscars. Not anyone behind the scenes. You know, I think Emma Stone and Viola Davis both seemed to know that they were going to.

Viola's speech was the loveliest of the night, I thought. The Moonlight Screenplay speech on the night. That was really excellent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think anyone, no one just read from a piece of paper. Right. Which was nice. Except the letter from the Iranian director.

Yes. Oh, yes, correct. Which was pretty terrific. That was a great moment. I think the most prepared person of the night was Denzel Washington. And what I mean was, there are two Denzel Washington. There's the one who's ready to play along. No one who's not really ready to play.

The one doesn't want to play anymore. All during award season, and we talked about this in our preview podcast, Denzel was ready to play along. Yeah, he turned on the charm. He wanted this one. And to the degree that when Jimmy Kimmel brought in the bus full of people, he was ready to play. He was first one on the front line.

To back up your two sides of Denzel, when the bit was over, he was like, and now I'm out. I'm out. Much like he was on the evening when he didn't win Best Actor, because his face fell. Before we get any further, I do want to say that we are taking your questions, which I assume will just be an assemblage of exclamation points and question marks. And maybe, yeah, maybe some WTF emojis.

But, you know, any questions you have, Facebook.com slash ringer, Twitter.com slash ringer. We'll be happy to answer those. You can also hit us up at our various Twitter handles if you haven't. Amanda. Yes. Best tears. Baila. Yeah.

That was really moving. And one of those things where she was, she performed the shit out of that. And I don't mean that in a way of like it was fake at all. It was just that is, she has a presence. She is an actress for a reason. She's one of our greatest actors. And yeah, I thought that was pretty moving. There's an acceptance speech thing that happens.

Like, I remember, like, McConaie for Dallas Bfires Club. It felt like he was, like, trying to act shocked at the circumstances at every award show over the course of award season. Whereas Viola, I think, had, like, is like an ascending emotional peak that she had maintained over. So it was kind of cool. I mean, I was so happy for the McConniscence. But I'm just saying, like, you can get caught in the rut of being like, well, here it is. What amazing times are we living. That was my McConae.

That was pretty good. Yeah, thank you. You can work on it. But we also see people choose to do different things at different award shows. And, you know, in our pre-show tonight, we were saying, Mahershal Ali, if he wins, you know, we're expecting a firecracker of a political speech after what he gave at the, I think was at the Saga Awards. Yes.

Tonight, he was just simply human. He was just talking about people that he wanted to thank. And people would matter to him and his family and his new-hand daughter. And that was in many ways just as effective. It was just a different thing. My favorite tears were Lala Land songwriter Benjpassig's mother when he shouted out, shouted her out for letting him quit the soccer team. Oh, yeah.

I like a little back and forth of the crowd, and the camera was ready for it. Yeah. And I thought that was very sweet. Amanda, who did you think was the, yeah, I'm just turning to you out of deference here, but who did you think was best dressed today? Taraji wins for me.

Taraji Hansen looked just amazing. Out of the winners, I liked Emma Stone's dress. I liked the flapper thing. You disagree? She was my pick. I completely agree. I realize that I am not listing any men here, But, uh...

You haven't listed Alicia Vicandria yet either. Oh, she looked, she did look great. Yeah. The tan was a little extreme, but I figured that's Tomb Raider. I dare you. Look. I'm here to just be honest, you know? I always enjoy your thoughts on fashion.

Do you have any thoughts? The guys, I mean, I think you mentioned something about navy blue suits seem to be a trend. Yeah, but then you were just like, that's not happening. Well, we also discussed whether you were colorblind or not. Right. So I don't think I'm colorblind. I honestly thought that there were Navy blue suits. I am now.

Like, how everything is upside down. I know. All right. Andy, what was the, Like, this is great, because I have this written down what was the biggest surprise. Let's take the out of they got best picture wrong. Yes. What's the biggest surprise?

Well, the biggest surprise, well, there's two. I mean, I think in a minute we're going to talk about the show as a show. And I was actually surprised with how the show went as a TV show. But in terms of as an award show, the biggest surprise, and obviously this was only exponentially increased by the end, was that Lala Land didn't dominate. Yes. I mean, you... We were starting to get, like, here's the thing. Lolloland had such a huge swath of nominations

and was up for, could have tied the record, I believe, if it had won all of them with Ben Hur and, you know, and it wound up once there was like one Hacksaw Ridge win, which Krista Adomis here predicted, that was insane. Well, I just had a bad feeling. I had a feeling that there was a silent contingent of Mel Gibson voters out there and that he might win some weird comeback director. The deplorables, if you will.

No, I didn't say that. I just mean like, I just think that like there was like a weird feeling that like something could go wrong here. But I thought it would not be wrong. I mean, something could go out that was unexpected. And as those technical awards started to go to different places instead of just La La Land, and as

it just seemed like the stability of La La La Land was falling away. Here's what I think happened to some degree. I think we, and I mean anyone who comments on this stuff, misread the nominations. And what I mean is, obviously it got, it tied the, you know, it tied other movies for the most nominations ever,

14 nominations. But what that actually meant, now that we've seen how they played out, was that La La La Land was pretty good at a lot of things. It did not mean it was so far in a way the best at everything. I actually think, and I like the joke about the movie, and I didn't love the movie at all, but it won the appropriate awards almost. It won, it's a musical. I don't really like the music in it, but of course it would then win the music categories if it was a popular film.

Emma Stone was tremendous in it. The movie was beautifully directed. Damien Chazel won. And I think in a weird way, the result was actually quite fair and even-handed. But, you know, it was to use a sports analogy, which I believe is appropriate with the dream team looking at us. It filled up the stat sheet, you know, but it didn't dominate. And I think that that, and I think everyone immediately assumed because it had those nominations that it was Ben Her Titanic. And in fact, it wasn't.

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mean for the Oscars as an institution? Is this the beginning of a major change for what gets awarded and made moving forward? That's a good cue. I think it's actually secretly a two-part question because you have the entire question of, like, institutionally, how did that happen? You know, how did you not have a certain safeguard in place where there's only one envelope for one award and there is nobody who's standing? I mean, did Emma Stone handoff her envelope to somebody? But I thought you meant, like, how did it happen?

How did Moonlight win? Well, but I think that in some ways, Moonlight is, I mean, it's a phenomenal victory. But it's, I think that there is just a lot of variance that can happen in the Oscars now. We have not had a complete lock, just sweep of an Oscars winner in a while now, right? No, it's, you know, it's got to been split up between the best picture, the acting, and the technical films that kind of are three different blocks at this point. Which is actually reflective of how movies get made. Yeah. The movies, you know, I mean, passengers got two nominations.

It was a $300 movie that tanked, but it was, the technical stuff looked good. Typically what happens is best picture contenders. And the reason why a lot of these movies, and we talk about them for some months, is that they are in telling a story, like not the story of their film, but the story within their film, but the story around their film, right? It's like La La Land is a return to this musical, and it's about dreams. And Moonlight is about, you know, like this idea that a film that's outside of the mainstream of what Hollywood usually makes could be this huge best pressure for people gender.

Did you feel like Moonlight had somehow, I mean, did it gain any momentum over the last few weeks? I don't even know. You know, I sort of have this secret theory that the Academy voters actually pay more attention to the narrative around, you know, how we're talking about things. I don't want to say they read film Twitter, and I don't think that we should give film Twitter that credit, but that they are paying attention to the conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that they were, the La La La Land backlash and sort of, you know, the just kind of the, it's okay. Sure. sentiment about La La Land.

I think that people, I think voters were possibly more aware of that and more aware of the notion that Moonlight was a very, very special film at a time when we need a film like Blue Night. I think, I agree. And I think a couple things. One, I think La La La Land Backlash, I think that's film Twitter. I think what I experienced and I think a lot of other people probably experienced Oscar voters especially when they received the screeners is that they were excited to see

something great and they saw something that was fine. Exactly. That's not a backlash. That's actually watching the movie and being. able to separate, well, Emma Stone is great, and the ambition is great. And my feeling with that movie, my main criticism is that I think it's a very young. I think that Damien Chazel is very young. I think the emotions in the movie are very young. And I think he could make a great movie worthy of 14 nominations 10 or 15 years.

Which is strange, because spoiler alert, it doesn't end in terms of like the traditional reasons why you would like a movie like Lawland. It ends on a bittersweet note. It's not, in some ways, it's like, it's almost like a first breakup movie. I see nothing wrong with marrying the guy from that thing you do. But to your other question about Moonlight, we saw Cheryl Boone Isaac's the president of the academy up on stage, and it is no secret it's been reported on. She has done a lot of work behind the scenes to broaden the membership of the academy and to make sure things like last year's nominations don't happen again, to make sure movies like Moonlight specifically get seen.

And so she's increased the diversity of the voting block, which made a huge difference. But I also think this does come down to the fact that a lot of the Academy voters are older, and a lot of the Academy voters wait for their screeners to come in and then they watch them. Yeah, based on those Hollywood Reporter, secret ballot articles, that's exactly right. And so I think a bunch of them knew about Manchester by the sea, for example, and by the way, fantastic the Kenny Lonergan won. But they heard about that movie, they got it in the mail.

And like many people were like, this is a tough hang. Like, I don't know when I'm ready to clear out space for this one. And I think probably a lot of them considered Moonlight with the same trepidation. Like, this is going to be a tough one. This is an important film. This is here because of diversity or something sort of cynical like that. And then you put it on, and it's very beautiful and it's very affecting. And it is not a hard watch.

it's actually quite a transporting watch. And I think that was reflected in what we saw tonight. Got a couple other questions from the audience. James Hardingham from Facebook wants to know. Who will have a better career now, Barry Jenkins or Damien Chazelle? Oh, interesting. Right now we know Damien Chazel's next film is a Neil Armstrong movie with Ryan Gosling. Yes.

I don't know what Barry Jenkins' next movie is, or if he is lying one up yet. I believe Sean Fantasy said that he has that... Isn't he doing something with Colson Whiteheads the Under... Red Railroad book? I don't know if that's a film or a TV project, but... I don't know about better. I mean, Barry Jenkins can do whatever he wants from now on, I think. And you have to sort of assume that the way in which La La Land lost is going to, in general,

like a lot of sympathy for Damien Chazelle. And I think they're both going to be fine. That's why Damian Chazel won Best Director. It's true. I mean, then he literally had to stand up on the stage and have the best picture taken away from him. That is just humiliating. There's no other way to spin that. So I think...

By the way, if Harvey Weinstein had produced Lala Land, they would not have left the day. He would have literally been like, no, you gave it to us, we are keeping it. That would have been intense. Another question from the audience, Hong Shang wants to know. What was the most memorable movie of 2016? The last five minutes of the Oscars. I mean, Moonlight, I think, was the best movie I saw. When we talked about other movies, on our podcast, we talked about how, you know, a rival we found affecting.

interesting about what it means going forward for movies and for cinema. It's weird, I think, the right movie. What were your other favorite films of the year? I mean, I can just answer. I think about Moonlight a lot. I think about Arrival a lot, especially the last 20 minutes of arrival. I live in Los Angeles, and I moved here a year ago, so I think about La La Land, especially when I'm coming over that one part of the 10 or whatever.

And you hear that piano? Yeah, you know, it just starts up. Do to do to do to Um Manchester I think I mean I hope people don't have to think

about it that much but it does speak to a particular experience in life in a really beautiful way that one scene with Michelle Williams and Casey Affleck

I do think about I think that's one of the best acted scenes I've ever seen in any medium but I think also let's just take a moment to say like Kenneth Lonergan

will get to make another movie Barry Jenkins will get to make another movie Damian Chazel will get to make another movie Also people are not going to forget this Oscars anytime soon and Colin has a question

for us about whether or not there, I mean, to paraphrase this question is, like, to the extent to which there's going to be, like, an asterisk over this victory, it's not an asterisk. And the cool thing about this Oscars is I think that going into this award show, we were all kind of like, of this crowd of movies, probably Moonlight, Manchester, and La La La Land all deserve something. They all deserve some recognition for Malala Land's been a huge box office success. It was definitely a much more appreciated movie before the backlash started. Manchester is an incredible work of drama. And Moonlight is obviously the best picture and is by far the most beloved movie I've come across in terms of the people I know how they feel about a film.

They all got something to go home with. It was a remarkably generous allotment of awards, and that's something you don't usually see. And I think that sort of speaks weirdly to the night as a whole. I mean, it did, there was about an hour into it. We were sitting here saying, wait, why is this feel kind of peppy and kind of fun? And there were surprises. I thought Kimmel was really funny. We could talk about the show as the show,

I mean, up to the last 30 seconds if you want. Yeah, because what we were commenting on, especially, was that we felt like they had cut a lot of the fat that every year we make fun of them for having. Well, it just wasn't trying too hard. This self-referential, like, this is why comedies make us laugh. Let's remember what movies are.

And I always used to say, like, movies, your movies, act like you've been there before, you know? And this year, it seemed to. And then we ran right into that brick wall of Charlize there and watching the apartment, which paid off with we bought a zoo. I'm not even mad at that. I liked all the people in the movie theater.

You guys love the bits. You guys love the bits. You want to talk about bits? I do. I mean, I just, like, I am a sucker for montages. I'm a sucker for people who make movies talking about movies. I love the movies. I love celebrating the movies. I just love all that stuff. So Javier Bardem being like, I love Bridges of Madison County. I'm like, yes.

I would listen to Javier Bardem talk about the four miracles of acting for like the entire, for three hours, for the whole ceremony. Just do that next year. I think a lot of people expected a very politically charged Oscars, and there certainly were politics present. But in a strange way, the tone set by Maharshala Lee's speech carried through, that it was actually a very almost inward-looking and emotional ceremony in a lot of ways. It felt like a community.

And it felt all the talk about the importance of the arts and of art in these people's lives and in everyone's lives around the world actually didn't feel that cynical to me. Plus, it had the little acid that you needed from Jimmy Kimball, who I think was an excellent host for one major reason that separated him from even other good hosts, he called out movies for being bombs. You're not allowed to do that. Where you just make fun of the Great Wall. And he did it all at Damon, which obviously he was in on and is a good sport about.

But he basically, he made fun of The Great Wall being a, you know, a ponytail movie that lost $80 million. He made fun if we bought a zoo just like, just peppering like a speed bag. You're not supposed to do that. And that helped cut some of the sanctimonies. I want to ask about major takeaways as we wrap this up. I have to tell you guys, as we are sitting here, You just want to check Twitter? I don't know. No, no, no. I don't want to just...

I have a really bad feeling that this was like... Like a staged thing. Like, that there was... Not that almost... I have like a bad feeling that there's going to be like, yeah, like, it was a mistake, but like it was a mistake. Like, what is the mistake mean? Like, politically they wanted Moonlight to win?

People are going to talk about the Oscars for weeks now. You think it's going to be like Benghazi or something? No, no, no. I just mean like... Let's investigate that. No, I just mean like it's like... There's something about this that it's like, how could that possibly happen? And that is the takeaway.

And it's almost a shame because it is almost gonna overshadow Moonlight winning is just because that's what people are gonna talk about. But are you ascribing some ulterior motive? Like, do you think that because Oscar's so white last year that Moonlight had to win? No, no, no, no. I'm saying like there's no way,

I just wanna know whether or not there was something, there was like, this is crazy. No, you know what, as I'm seeing it, I think it sounds like. I do think that the last 30 seconds are going to overshadow the fact that Moonlight won. Right. And I think also just the fact that, you know, they didn't get the chance of Moonlight and everyone going up in that moment, it was a very rushed.

Yes. Like, I don't know how you fix that, but I personally, as someone who likes awards shows and likes people having their moment, like, I wish we could stage the actual presentation again. Also, I just can't even imagine what the La La La Land folks were feeling. I do feel bad for them. Like, they'll survive. That's like as somebody who just is like, it's hard for me to watch Curb Your Enthusiasm because I cringe and stuff. It's true. Yeah.

It's like that must have been like a real L. Look, I mean, it's a movie about not having the ending you really want, but maybe the ending you need. So maybe they all learned the lesson today. Now you should tap dance for me. I would be willing to as long as we could play the music in here. What a crazy name? Okay, so we just got a message from Colin backstage via the New York Times. Yeah.

Shut up. I'm sorry. I just read your slack. This is crazy. I'm right. I'm right. Where's my tini? foil hat. I was right. Emma Stone said she had the best actress card in her hand the whole time. So how did it get back to the stage? So it was some sort

of printing error. Are they like doubled it up or something? It wasn't the same card. So it's Kinkos? It's Kinkos. Which I believe is now FedEx Kinko. So it spread the blame around. There is literally on the internet, the subrooter tape of where the envelope was going during the award. He don't let go of the envelope. He opened a new envelope. That was

clear. But what was weird, remember is he took it out and he looked on the back because it didn't make sense to him. And so we thought he was Didn't like what it said. But who had the moonlight envelope? Well, my assumption here is that they... The producer for Lollah, I was like, Moonlight One. I'm not joking.

They showed the card. They literally showed. But Mory and Bady had Emma Stone's card. So there were three cards? I think there were three cards. I think there were two best actress cards. But then where did the moonlight card that they showed in the shot? How did that come running up?

Who gave it to him? That I don't understand. That I don't understand. Maybe. Do we have answers to the booth here? Do we sound nuts? Like, do we sound like we're in the bookstore and slacker? Someone in the booth send us the craziest theory right now. Okay? Is that what I'm saying?

Are we saying there's three envelopes? There's an Emma Stone envelope that Emma Stone never got left her hands. There's an Emma Stone envelope that Fade Dunaway read off of. And then there is a moonlight envelope that the producers from Lollah Land had. And there's the fourth envelope that said the Knicks have the number one pick in the room. And it's cold. It's a cold envelope. Yes. Sports and pop culture.

This is what we do. It's our business. I got it. I got the joke. We've worked together. Man, I don't even know. This is not over. This is the thing. It's just beginning.

I mean, I feel like the, you know, the governor's ball or the Vanity Fair ball. Like, these parties are going to be kind of lit now in a way that they usually aren't. Can you imagine? Can you imagine, like, just like being at a bar? David Chazel already looked like he hadn't slept in three weeks. I mean, there are a couple things to say here, though. Like, it would be unimaginably worse

if it had been the reverse. And I say this because... I honestly can't even imagine that. For a number of reasons, obviously the racial overtones and the political overtones of it, but also David and Goliath here. Yeah. Because the thing to remember about Lala Land, 14 nominations, yes, it won plenty tonight. What was the

number that Sean gave us in the podcast? $350 million worldwide already? And Moonlight cost $1 million and made... I think it's a... I think it did quite well, considering what it was, but it's not comparable. It's going to do pretty well now, for sure. I mean, it's purely in the sense of commerce in terms of people being angry about that. Moonlight needed it more than Lala Land needed it.

So really quick to send us out, your one big takeaway from the day. What the fuck? Literally what the fuck. Bring me a tinfoil hat too. I'm actually, my big takeaway, aside from you can't trust anything and that there are three envelopes is that this is great for Moonlight. A lot of people are to go see it now. I'm thrilled about that.

My main takeaway is Colin, you were right. We should have done a live show tonight. I think that is definitely the right call. You know, I know I was on the fence for a little bit. I was a little bit of a diva. I demanded some lumbar support. Andy, thank you again, the Black Tucks for dressing me. And Andy, Andy, tonight.

Thank you, Amanda and Andy for joining me. Thank you to the crew. As always, monsters on the beats coming through Sunday night. But what a Sunday night? We will be back on the watch this week. We're going to use some of the audio you just heard. Yeah, you'll be able to hear this on a podcast tomorrow on the watch. And yeah, we'll be talking.

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