The Watch - Golden Globe Television Nominations and 'The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel' Season 2 | The Watch (Ep. 312)

Episode Date: December 7, 2018

A short teaser for the final season of ‘Game of Thrones’ doesn’t reveal too much (3:15). The trailer for the new ‘Captain Marvel’ movie starring Brie Larson was released this week (11:07). Television nominations for the Golden Globes are all over the map (21:38). The second season of ‘The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel’ feels like a show in its fifth season (32:59). Yorgos Lanthimos’s new movie, ‘The Favourite,’ is a different kind of period piece (42:24). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Stand up and walk. Now. Hello, and welcome to The Watch. My name is Chris Ryan. I'm an editor at the ringer.com and joining me in the studio. El Pollo Mojado. That's you.

It's Eddie Greenwald. That's you. That's a wet chicken, man. How you doing, buddy? It's raining in California. We were in a weird mood. It's Thursday. It's the re-up.

We don't really call it the re-up anymore. Do you know when the best thing that's come out of Chris's cooking time, Chris's cooking corner, all spelled with K's for no reason on this podcast? Like Cliff Kingsbury? Mm-hmm. The wet chicken emoji where it's just like the slobbery wet drip drips and then the chicken? Yeah, the baby and young gutter. That's...

So are you saying on this podcast, we haven't seen each other in days, you're saying that wet chicken, that wet chicken drips too hard? Yes, that's what I'm saying. It really does. Wow. Andy, we have so many recipes to talk about. Let's keep it cooking. But let's get right into the pop culture news of the day.

We're going to talk about the Golden Globe nomination, specifically the TV ones, because Sean and Amanda thoroughly covered the movie ones this morning on the big picture. I mean, I haven't listened to that podcast. Sean's been up since like two in the morning, just doing knuckle push-ups and getting ready for these noms. He loves noms. He's doing incredible.

work on the big picture. So if you want to get a sense of how the Oscar race is shaping up, how award season is shaping up, please listen to the big picture. So we're going to talk mostly about television stuff. We also have a couple of bits of news. I can't talk about justice for Bohemian Rhapsody, which, sight unseen, just seems like one of the best dramas of the year.

We can't talk about that on this show? We can. Okay. Okay. If that's what jumps out of you. Also, we want to get to this this really, like, pretty pressing Cruelo-Deville news. You're so hype on this. This is the thing that, this story,

The story has been driving me nuts, so I can't wait to get into it. The story has legs. And we're also going to talk about the Game of Thrones teaser, which really isn't a ton to talk about there. And the Captain Marvel teaser. So where do you want to start? Tease me? Game of Thrones. Yeah, Game of Thrones just came out.

So there's currently a conversation happening in the ringer slack. Okay. Again, something else that I'm not welcome to be part of, but that's cool. Do you think they will release any footage before season eight? Yes. Yeah. I mean, we live in a trailer economy. Like, the fact that they are releasing this much non-footage now speaks to how much HBO is aware of how culture works in 2018 going to 2019.

This is Game of Thrones. This is the biggest show on television. A case could be made. It's the most popular or biggest, certainly the biggest, just leave all the other specifics out of it. The biggest show in the history of the medium. Yeah. they don't need Alan Alda somewhere is just like

you think so huh? Seriously. God, I wish he was here. They don't need to be blanketing the major metropolis of the United States with very expensive billboards reminding us of moments that happened on Game of Thrones

in other years as they are doing right now. They don't need any of it. But they understand that it's not just that you have to, it's not just what you've done before, you have to stay at the forefront of people's mind. You have to get people excited. You have to be fueling the conversation.

And that conversation cannot begin in April when the final season begins, which is a fact we all know probably would have known without these billboards. So we will see more content. I think it will be extremely limited. Yeah. Critics certainly will not be getting full episodes. But we will see snippets of something to get people excited. And, you know, I am impressed. Their ability to do absolutely nothing and get people hype is next level.

It's fagie-esque. dare I say. It is. There's not really a lot to pull from this teaser. It's essentially a model map of Westeros

and some ice. But that's not all there is. And a dragon? What's on the other side of the ice? Fire. Yeah. So they're really doing that, huh? That's the duality.

So I leave this symbolism to binge mode. I'm not really sure. No, I mean, I'm serious because like there's a lion. But I don't really know what to do with that. This is this hard-hitting analysis

that people tune in for. I was more curious about whether or not, like, is it possible, and I'm, without any inside information, obviously, that the final few episodes are going to be so rife with character death that it's almost impossible to show much from the season, other than the great game is upon us, you know, like that, like, kind of like, I have no idea. I mean, it's pretty, we always say this when we talk about Game of Thrones, and honestly, it's fun to be saying it again, because it's fun.

when Game of Thrones is happening. It's fun to talk about. It's fun to watch. There's a version of this where we're able to just sit back and just, we certainly, I've been using this analogy too much, so I'm retiring it now. We certainly have all bought tickets for this, and now we can just enjoy the rest of the ride over these last six episodes, which are likely to be extended episodes, pretty long episodes from what we understand.

Or there's a version of it where dissatisfying or tone-deaf or surprising deaths or quick resolution starts happening right from jump in the season premiere. And it's like we're kind of in that weird, am I satisfied or am I disappointed space for six weeks? I don't really think that's going to be the case, but I'll leave it to binge mode to decide how we're supposed to feel about this stuff. I think for us and what our perspective on the show has been

and probably will be, is really more at this point about talking, because I think there was just some like George R. Martin just drops them. 800-page book that's not the book everyone's waiting for. Yeah, it's... I know what you're talking about. It's like story adjase or something.

How do you feel right now, having taken this year off? Do you feel as excited as ever to get back to it? Do you feel actually... Was there a moment when you saw that billboard of John... I see what he's surrounded by the bodies from the Battle of the Bastard that's up on Hollywood and Franklin, where you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I want TV to make me feel like that again. Are you excited?

Are you... Where are you in your own... journey. Well, I think we talked a little bit about this when we recorded with Sam for the year-end podcast about the excitement around, there still is like a real excitement around Sunday night event television and the idea of there being like these things being parceled out and everybody kind of being on the same schedule. And I think that that is the thing that I'm really looking forward to with Game of Thrones is

the feeling of almost like a mini sports season and that we'll all kind of be on the same, you know, football night in America schedule with this show. they will almost certainly not be sharing it with others beforehand. So yeah, that part of it and the idea of it being like this anticipatory thing is really exciting. You know, I think that there's a little bit of a coda feeling to this mini season that they're doing here. I think they've told the story that they're telling. Yes, I do too. And this is a little bit more of a supernatural, mystical kind of fight that we're into for.

But there's a lot about the game of... There's a lot about Game of Thrones as a story that was so subversive about our kind of understanding of, like, you know, this person needs to live and conquer this person. You know, we all, you know, if you didn't read the books, you'd be like, right, this is the story of how Rob Stark saves his family. Right. And I think that will they, how will they continue to subvert that and how do they do that off of book, basically? It's a fascinating question. I also think it's worth considering as the very noisy, very expensive end of an era on television. For sure. For sure. I know this firsthand, and I'm sure anyone else who has ever worked on any production in any level will attest to this. There's always an element on anything, even the most blessed and fortunate productions in history that were then resulted in great ratings, great awards. There's always an element of, I can't believe we got away with this. I can't believe we trick them. I can't believe we fooled them. I can't believe we're going to somehow pull this off despite what it seemed like 10 minutes ago.

that's always the case. But for as much as a, you know, at this point, God knows how many hundreds of millions of dollars they spent on the show, there is kind of a, it was never an underdog, but it's insane that the show became what it became. Obviously, if you consider the scope of the stories and people would read the books before

would have felt this way from the beginning, they were probably Jason and Mallory thought when they read the books, boy, if anyone ever gets this right, this could be the biggest story in the world. Or this could be the most exciting television or show or movie or whatever it was going to be in the world. But, you know, it was Tom McCarthy directed a busted pilot of this show.

David Benioff and his buddy Dan Weiss had written. What Benioff certainly had with a lot of credits. But they had never done this. I mean, not only had they never run a, you know, multi-hundred million dollar production in multiple European countries, they'd never run a TV show. Yeah. Many of these actors who we now take for granted as appearing in other blockbusters.

Or were character actors. Or children. Yeah. It's astonishing that they pulled this off to the degree of quality that they did. and the degree of success, that now we take it for granted that this is just going to be the most visually spectacular thing.

The next era of storytelling on this level are shows and projects that were born on third base and are going to try to convince you that they hit a triple. They're going to be the Lord of the Rings show, which we are going to keep mentioning this, and it won't matter if the show's good,

but it will always be matter if you're following the industry, a quarter of a billion dollars just to have the rights to consider developing a TV show. Before you start spending a quarter of a billion dollars on the production.

Exactly. So it is the end of, I don't know, is it the end of the horse before the cart era of TV? Certainly maybe on the genre. So while we wait for the show, I think maybe it's fun, it's fun for me anyway, to think about all of it, from the billboards to the actual content as part of this Last Hurrah. Yeah, and I think it's, speaking of last hurrah's, you know, obviously the Avengers cycle that we know of in the Marvel and the MCU is coming to an end. But before that, we will get Captain Marvel. I think there's always these Marvel movies that are like the starting the new phase. ones? What were some of the other ones that were kind of like that? Well, this isn't starting the new phase. This is the last new thing in the last phase. Yeah, but I think even by introducing a new character and introducing a new face and probably having a slightly different sensibility, like it'll be something new. And this is the first of her

seven picture deal or whatever she signed. And she's supposed to be incredibly important to the MCU. I think obviously they've, they have talked or there's been rumors that the MCU is going to be a lot more of like a cosmic space opera to steal a phrase. And This seems to be pushing it that way. Captain Marvel stars Bree Larson. It seems like it's going to have quite another larger performance from Samuel L. Jackson, who's usually like a tertiary character with Nick Guthrie.

Got them, got them, Irishman ping pong balls on him to deage him. I got to say, like, so... I should say, the Irishman is the Netflix movie that cost $300 million that... They just, instead of casting younger actors, they just deaged Robert De Niro. I didn't want our audience or half of you to feel like I was being some way culturally dismissive. last week, I think.

With Captain Marvel, I just got to tell you just straight up between two guys who share chicken recipes between the two of them. I don't understand who the Cree and the Scrolls are, really, and what their problem is. You making me do this? Yeah. So that seems to be like the major,

I didn't expect that to be the major part of what Captain Marvel is about. The Cree scroll war, Chris. Oh, Christ. Someone get me. Can we lose power just right now? Kaya? If you're ever going to listen to this podcast,

Kyah, now is the time to come in and save the day. These are warring alien races. They come from the Stanley and Jack Kirby early era of the Marvel Universe in the Fantastic Four, and continually at the margins of all the space storytelling that's taken place in the Marvel universe, and then increasingly more relevant to the MCU as comics because people were like, wait, so the scrolls aren't just goofy. They always had the same backstory, but they're not just goofy green aliens with funky chins they also are shapeshifters

which could be played for goofs but it's also kind of cool that anybody could be a bad guy and that was a big storyline So they're shapeshifters but they choose to have that chin? They're proud of themselves Why you got to hate on that?

Let people be. I don't see color when it comes to aliens with fucked up chins Chris. The Cree are blue. Yeah, I know. All right? I know.

We saw Cree characters in one of the Guardians, right? But also what a movie was What movie was Lee Pace last in? Because Lee Pace is in this one. Oh, isn't he in Thor? He was a bad guy in the First Guardians or something? Whatever. Who cares?

That's the real takeaway here, Chris. Here's my takeaway from this. I think that Captain Marvel as a comic book character is incredibly exciting. If people care about this sort of thing, what the writer Kelly Sue DeKonick did to sort of re- reimagine, basically reintroduce a character who always should have been one of the central characters in the Marvel comic book universe and make her

someone who stands toe to toe with Captain America and Iron Man was crucial. Yeah. And that is where they're going with the movies. She is the most powerful or one of the most powerful people and a leader. And it's exciting. It's set up for her, we're going to get this backstory

in the prequel film in the 90s. And then I'm sure she's going to come rushing in to save the day in Avengers 4, which comes out a short time later. Yes. This trailer did not give me a lot of confidence about the project. You don't think Annette Benning staring into the galaxy Well, here's why.

The reason people are pointing to two movies as benchmarks that led to this movie, and their success, of course. One is DC's Wonder Woman, and one is Black Panther, which was recently nominated for Best Picture at the Golden Globes. One thing that I really admired about those movies is that they owned the movie that they were. Wonder Woman was just about that character of Wonder Woman going through the world. and reintroducing yourself to the world or introducing yourself to the world. Black Panther had completely, for as much as anything under the MCU rubric can,

it was its own thing, with its own style, with its own point of view, with its own sound and feel, and certainly color palette. I don't know if Marvel's playing it safe with the trailer or they played it safe with the movie, but so much of this is about the Cree scroll intergalactic.

It's weird that that's like the forward thing. It's like when they've got, they're thinking of themselves, I was like we've got, it was debuted on Monday Night Football, so it wasn't like a cheap ad. A lot of Cree heads in the crowd. And they were like,

we got to make sure we push the Cree scroll angle here. It's not about who the hell Captain Marvel is and what she does and what her vibe is to get people excited about it. It's way more about what's this cosmic civil war happening. Yes, and what else there is in it is more like, oh, this is like a 90s female led Starman. Yeah.

It's like, I have some past here. I don't know. I mean, that could be exactly what you said, a decision that they're using to make people, to make a football crowd be like, oh, cool, there's going to be space punching. Because the battle stuff at the end, when she's got her like Mohawk helmet on was cool.

That'd look cool. A lot of screenplay credits on this one. Seven. Seven credits. Name them. Anna Bowden, Ryan Fleck, who also directed the movie. And I have a lot of time for them. They're super talented.

Geneva Robertson, Dorett, and Jack Schaefer. Okay. Nicole Perlman, Joe Shrapnel, and Anna Waterhouse. There's a bunch of story buys. So this is... And then obviously, like, it's based on the Roy Thomas and Gene Cullen. I mean, this is how your major studio motion picture sausage is made

with competing writers' rooms, competing drafts, and they jam it all together. And if you worked on it at all, then you file arbitration and you get credit and it can be messy and good movies can come from that. That's not in it itself an indictment. But the key to... I'm not raising any warning flags. Nobody's checking for that.

But I'm just saying... key to Kevin Fagy's success of the Marvel movies has been a clarity of vision. Tony Stark, kind of an asshole, needs the suit to live, right? Captain America, the ultimate Boy Scout. There's the log line. There's the one line that you understand. Even something that we said before we saw it, they didn't need to make Ant Man. Like, okay, well, he's a thief and goofy stuff happened.

I mean, it's just, it's easier. They communicate it well, even when the concept is a little far-fetched. You got to make it for the diehards and for the. casuals. And this one seems confused to me right now, and it's not being helped by, at least from the trailer, I can't believe I'm saying this, love Brie Larson.

Not totally buying it. So far. So I think that we talk about a lot on the rewatchables, we talk about the sort of weird charisma that movie stars have that, you know, people have spent 100 years trying to define. And it's not that I have any problem with Brie Larson as an actress or as a person,

but I don't know if she's a movie star. It's so weird if you had problems with her as a person. And you brought them up now. What we usually say is like, oh, I don't know if that director was ready to be moved into that huge blockbuster tent pole thing. And that frequently will happen where somebody goes on makes like a pretty cool, smaller movie and then they get scooped up by Marvel or they scooped up by Star Wars or DC

and asked to like do a blockbuster. And in this case, I kind of just feel like Brie Larson was like five movies away from being either well known enough or having like a big enough personality. to do this. Well, right. Personality is key. And also, it's a question of looking at what people were good at in their situation, right? This is, I'm not going to try to make like an NBA analogy, but I feel like there's room for one to be made here. I'm not going to. You should come in and fix this. Oh, okay. In post. But I mean, look at what she excelled at. And they were often due to her intensity and commitment to performance and in smaller situational, emotional, reactive roles,

from short-term 12 to room, to just being really alive in a very small frame in like a Joe Swanberg movie, like Digging for Fire, which she's in one scene, and I think about it a lot as a great scene. That's not necessarily the same skill set. And obviously her timetable was pushed up

by winning the best actress Oscar, as was her quote, as was Marvel's interest in her because they were like, well, she's a star and we get an Oscar winner. I mean, let's go all in. This could still work. Yeah, I mean, like I didn't think Paul

Rudd was going to be the star of a Marvel movie either, and it worked out fine there. It's just that now they don't have too bad Thor movies to let Chris Hemsworth find the right tenor of the character. They kind of have to make this work pretty immediately. I think worrying about whether or not Marvel has hit like a rut is silly because obviously it just doesn't seem to matter. But I think it's worth keeping an eye on.

They haven't hit a rut. They've announced Shang-Chi Master of Kung Fu is the next movie, which actually... I can't believe you stuck a Shang-Chi. You wanted to know if I was going to bring it up last week. That news broke. Yeah, man, let's do it. No.

I don't know what you're talking about. That's a character that I thought would be a Netflix show. Like many characters, like Luke Cage as well, Shang-Chi came out of the 70s when Marvel was being a little bit more reactive to the culture. And Bruce Lee movies, Kung Fu things were a hit. Also, they were in the spirit of the company, which was always the case. They were paying some attention to representation. and they created their first Asian superhero

who was Shang-chi, the master of Kung Fu. And he's hung out with the defenders and, like, Lola, he's been an Avenger. But it is the kind of thing where it's really just an idea at this point. You know, it's really just a concept and a name. They hired a really certainly highly pedigreed Asian-American screenwriter to basically have at it. And, you know, they want to. This is cynical, but they're like, let's Black Panther it.

Yeah. But okay, why not, right? Let's see what happens. It's more of a blank slate. And it's, which is only to say that going forward, that's possible. This Captain Marvel thing is a tough beat because they're like, we're going to introduce you to the most, one of the most crucial characters for our decade plus story going forward.

And we're going to introduce you to her right in the middle of the crisis point for the story we've told so far. She's got to carry all of this and make an independent. She's the person, she's the ghostbuster that they call it the end of the last. Avengers. Right. So let's talk a little about Golden Globes before we get into the favorite and to Maisel. But I'm not allowed to talk about Bohemian Rhapsodies.

Stunning. I don't care. Best drama television series Golden Globes nominations was Americans. Uh-huh. Bodyguard. No commentary from you. Well, I'm just running through the noms. Americans, Bodyguard, Homecoming, Killing Eve Pose.

Best Comedy. Barry Good Place Kidding, the Kaminsky Method. I mean. And the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. that's this year's marvelous Mrs. Maisel that just came out yesterday. Is it? Is it? Isn't that how it works?

Oh, because it won last year? Didn't it? Yeah. So I guess that's what this is. Okay. I mean, they also nominated Vice for a bunch of stuff, and Vice isn't available. Vice isn't going to be out until Christmas.

Look, I mean, we say this. The biggest shock here is that there's no Atlanta. No Brian, Tyree Henry, no Atlanta. Glover got nominated for actor, that they pretty much ignored Atlanta. They also ignored succession for what it's worth. No, Kieran Culkin got nominated. Oh, okay.

Look, I say this every year and I'll say it again. There is no greater cultural authority than a rag-tag anonymous group of aging, horse-trading, hyper-secretive... That's why I was, like, loath to do this, bovarian weirdos. It just isn't what we think it is. It isn't.

And the one thing that we don't know about this. And by the way, I actually don't know if this group of voters is any better or worse than the much more official pedigreed Academy of Television Arts and Science voters, because ultimately it's a grab bag, right? And the benefit of having this done by a group of strangers is interesting things bubble to the top. Yeah. Which can matter. It can affect it. Every year I say this, but Golden Globes are where shows get there, I'm being taken seriously debut. And especially I think some of the actors and actresses can start the narrative or like capture the narrative around like their story. Homeland won best drama a few weeks or months after it premiered.

Mr. Robot won best drama a few months after premiered. It can mint a show to something. Maisel won last year. The conversation that we're going to have about Maisel momentarily, the conversation that's been in the press about it is directly affected by its presence of the Golden Globes last year. And of course it actually won at the Emmys as well. it's super random.

And the thing that you can never talk about really or account for is that lobbying makes a difference. Now, we live in a town where for your consideration season is a season. Lobbying matters for all the awards. And for some reason, it gets a bad rap because for the Golden Globes, you are actually like have to shake hands and have a demitasse with Count Baron von. I love the Kaminsky method. Baron von Kerminski. Yeah, exactly.

The inspiration for the show, as opposed to just having a panel moderated by Chris Ryan that will sway voters for the same opportunity, basically. It's just like me and Jason Bateman, and I'm crying. And a demituss. Yeah. But it is true. And particularly in the case of the Golden Globes, because there's such a small voting block, if you don't play the game, you probably won't get nominated. Take it for what it is, which is it's a great party. Sandra O. and Andy Sandberg are hosting it this year.

but to Atlanta either they just didn't like it because that is the subsection of people who vote for the Golden Globes or Donald didn't go to the lunch. We don't know that and that does matter. But out of this list, this is a better list of drama nominees than the Emmys had. And I say that as someone who didn't necessarily like bodyguard that much. And I did not, and this is on me, I did not give pose the attention that many people who I trust and respect said that it deserves and I should remedy that. There's such a stand for the Americans. I'm not.

I used to be. I took a lot of... You like this collection, though. Well, I like it because it's different. Yeah. Killing Eve is there. That's great. Homecoming is there.

Did Sam get up at 5.30 a.m.? Sam's in New York. Okay. So he got the news at a normal time. Yeah. But like, I like new blood in this. I like a different type of conversation. And, you know, I mean, I don't know why you're, you're bagging on me.

your show Bodyguard is there. Your show. The show that you love and hold precious. I mean, Bodyguard didn't make my top ten, you know. It made your top ten impressions of the year, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, my Richard Madden, Vicky. But, like, people love Outlander, for example, and say that it's terrific, and they particularly talk about Kytrona Balth's performance.

It's good to have different people nominated and to be recognized for good work that they're doing outside of the same five or six. six people who get rubber stamped every year. Now, on the comedy side, it's a little weird. I mean, we used to joke about how the Emmys, in the old days, when there was a much stronger TV movie divide that, like, if a movie star just deigned to show up, they would just get on TV, they would just get nominated and win. That's kind of what Kidding's presence here feels like, because what a strange show that is

that we've never talked about. A bunch of people who were like kidding as a masterpiece. Really? I mean, like, in my mentions, I don't know if those may be Russian kidding bots, but. It is strange, by the way. It has its passionate fans. It's very strange that there was a Michelle Gondry TV show with Jim Carrey and Catherine Keener and Judy Greer

and it just kind of seems to have missed the mark or the conversation, but not with these guys. Yeah. But Kaminsky, similarly, it's like, well, Michael Douglas is on TV now. Yeah, I mean, this is like they are the... This is the show where they're like, can we get minted celebrities to show up? What is it going to take? Yes.

Oh, Donald Glover was nominated. But nothing else was in the show. But guys, Alison Brie was not nominated for an Emmy for Glow. And she is nominated here. Yeah, there's some good stuff here. How about, I mean, are there any other things that stood out to you? Like, Escape at Danamora getting in there. I was sort of surprised that Drummer Girl didn't get,

because that just seems like HFPA porn. Little Drummer Girl does. It seems like Chris Ryan porn. No, but like I think Night Manager got nominated for a bunch of stuff. It's breezier. Nightmanager was about linen shirts. You know what I mean? This was a different show.

Okay. But the thing that it was more, like, HFPA is much more like a very English scandal. Like, that got a lot of burn. The one thing that people have mentioned is just in terms of the Oscar race is with the actors, it's like Ethan Hawke did not get nominated. I don't think Sam Elliott got nominated. A lot of vice nominations. So just keep eyeball that because it's not entirely likely that that, that, Once people start falling a little bit out of the conversation with those awards that they can get back in for Oscars.

Oh, sure, if you're looking at it that way. The other thing that I would say is the most interesting category to me is performance by an actress in a limited series or motion picture made for television. And that's Amy Adams, Sharp Objects, Patricia Arquette, Escape at Denamora, Connie Britton, Dirty John, Laura Dern, The Tale, Regina King, Seven seconds. This is a category. By the way, seven seconds is only a limited series because Netflix canceled it. Otherwise, so they were smart to reposition it. Right. What this category says to me is that it's working.

Now, I don't mean TV is working. I mean the currently assembled machinery for actors and their agencies to navigate peak television is working. It certainly worked for Julie Roberts, but that's also because we are fans of the show that she was joined in. I mean, I also, I liked Amy Adams' performance in Shop Projects. I think Patricia Arquette is genius in Escape at Dynamora. It's not about that.

It's that these are high-profile Oscar-winning. In some cases, actors choosing their projects, looking at the board in front of them. And I'm not in any way saying that these people chose projects based on chasing awards. Because certainly these are tremendous actresses. I don't think they operate that way. But their teams might, and their teams might, we'll put you in this, we'll get a prestige thing, and it'll get this and this. And they were proved right. Those performances on television get noticed and get them onto podiums, or at least get them at those roundtables come this time of year.

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his new film with Olivia. Is he our boy? I think so. Our great Greek son, Yorgos? You stay killing Sacred Deers. I think he's great. Olivia Coleman, Rachel Weiss, and Emma Stone in that one. And then Marvelous is Maisel, which Andy likes more than me, but I also quite enjoy, is also back for its second season.

Well, do you want to talk Maisel? Let's stick with TV for a minute and talk Maisel. Okay. Where were you on the first season? I did not love the beginning of it. Like, I think with Amy Sherman Palladino, I just need to, I just need to warm up a little bit. You know, it's not that it's an acquired taste necessarily. Like, I think it's just, like, crackling dialogue, and all the performances are calibrated in a certain way to deliver that dialogue.

And as soon as you start to fall into rhythm with it, you're like, oh, yes, I love this. But it just took me a little while to warm up. I think I watched the pilot twice. And then finally, like, one day watched, like, the whole season, you know? And I felt some similar stuff happening with this season, where I started it and I was like, oh, gosh, I got to get used to the fact that the dialogue is kind of forward beyond, like, performance and consequences of actions. and that like it's all about the banter in a lot of ways.

And the movement, whether it's verbal or people dancing behind them. It's just a hard-charging fast show. Right. So you love the first season. I love the first season totally. I found it just incredibly moving, incredibly entertaining, incredibly impressive from a performance and production standpoint. I really felt that it was the best case, at least that I had seen,

of what Amy Sherman Palladino does best, which is everything we're saying in her dialogue. and her wit, but really, like, wedded with a project that felt, obviously, she couldn't have predicted what was going on in the world, but I thought it felt very of the moment and actually wedded to a storyline that was richer than, TV shows don't need to be richer than a mother and her daughter live in a nice town and have feelings, which is what, that's the log line of Gilmore Girls show that I admire quite a bit. You don't have, not everything has to be, they're putting memory pills in the pineapples.

You know what I mean? Does that happen in Gilmer Girls? No, that's homecoming. But you know what I'm saying. But this was an example of the best of all worlds, right? Like, for me. And for me so far in the second season, it is a lesson, one worth being reminded of now and again,

that you can't tell auteur's what to do. They're going to do what they want to do, and that's okay when you were operating at a level of writing and direction and casting and everything else that the Sherman Palladinos are. And I say that because this second season begins with some shit that's like deep, deep fifth season stuff. What do you mean?

They go to Paris. Yeah. That's fucking fifth season shit. You know what I mean? Like maybe the timetable's different now because they've got that, they've got that Bezos quap. You know, like they'll just, they won them an Emmy so they can do what they want.

Yeah. And you should take that for sure. But isn't that her jam? Is it? Like, Amy Sherman Palladino stays in mid-flight. Like, it's, like, part of the joy of it

is that there are, like, Allison wrote about this today, but there are, like, three love interests hovering around the main storyline. Well, it's just that she's in love with all of the story all of the time,

and it almost feels like in excess. And the thing about Paris, I'm saying, is like, sure, how great for her to film in Paris and to bring these characters in Paris, and Tony Shalub and Marin Hinkle in Paris is delightful. But what's weird about it,

is that it is a complete digression about Mrs. Maisel's parents of whom we've really seen very little other than as reactive pieces. So suddenly to devote the bulk of the first two episodes of the second season to them exploring the eccentricities of their relationship in fucking Paris is wild. And there's like long sequences where, I mean, it actually does pay off. Yes. But the first sort of three quarters of the opening episode of the second season is like, them not understanding French

and other people either speaking French to them or another person having to translate bits into English or into French for other people. And so it does pay off at the end and her comedy gig at this French nightclub, but you're

watching it and you're just like, I got it. Like you could just throw the subtitles on it. It's a lot. And similarly, and I think Allison wrote about this as well, what is the, there's a lot of moments in the season so far where it's like, well, wait, what is the show about? Is this a forward-moving serialized storyline about a young woman's journey? Or is it that plus time? Meanwhile, Susie,

right? Right, plus time for bits and hijinks and like and pastry course and everything else. It's a lot. But that's the nature of the show. It's a lot. And it's not as if Amy Sherman Pellino know and her husband Daniel are going to suddenly be in a place where there really are no creative limitations and be like, let's focus. Why should they? They've earned the right to just do what they want with these characters and stuff. So I guess this is, for me, the journey this season so far, I still love to watch the show. It is a pleasure, but it feels it is slightly less sharp. I think there was a sharpness, both in the writing, but also in the momentum of that first season, that I really admired particularly. And I think the show is still at its best when it goes back

to that. There's a moment in the second episode where she is in a club gig and she's mistreated by the male comedians and then she gets her comeuppance in a way with mustard on her dress. To me, that's the heart of the show. But other people, your mileage may vary. Other people's heart of the show might be, you know,

Paris. I pretty much agree with you. I would just phrase it differently. You're like, this is some stuff that would happen in the fifth season. I feel like this is a show that isn't it's second season that knows it's going to have a fifth season. So maybe pump the brakes a little bit. It may was like, we can't go to

L.A. yet. We can't do the Draper in California storyline just yet. We want to, like, kind of move at the pace that we want to move at. Yes. I think that's right. I also just think, like... But it almost sounds like we're not... We don't like the show. I love the show. I'm so happy it's back. I think Rachel

Brosnahan is incredible. I watch it, I'm like, these dudes just went to Paris and then did a period piece in Paris. I mean, of all the things that Bezos has to spend money on, I think Washington Post number one. Yeah. That might be like, that's top five, right?

This show? Just letting them like set deck. Well, it definitely isn't the slow cooker that I bought from Amazon. Oh, can we do Chris's cooking corner? Did you get a slow cooker? No, that was how I made the wet chicken. Oh, right. Right.

Yeah, you know, I feel like what we're having here. Let's just take a second. Guys. Guy, I think she's on acid right now. Can we bring everybody in? So the subtext to all this is Chris's, Chris's, experimenting in the kitchen a little bit, which I think we should support. All of us.

Sure. I think this is exciting. I think this is a new chapter for you. And you've been asking me repeatedly for like a recipe. You claim you have. Well, the thing is Chris, now I'm going to blow your mind here. There is no recipe. I don't work with recipes.

So why don't you just tell me that the first time I texted you and said, can I have the miso maple chicken recipe? What I'm saying is get some miso. get some maple syrup. What about the chicken that came out soaking wet makes you think that I can go off recipe? Well, nothing. That's why. For your own good, forget you,

for your wife's own good, I have not given you what you need because you're not ready yet. You're asking for the secrets here. It's the master and the pupil here. I'm saying you can come over, you know, and watch young galloping gourmet here. You know, a little dash of this,

a little sprinkle of that. it's a fucking marinade. Why can't you just give me the recipe? You know what it is. There's no recipe. I'll give you the ingredients. Okay. What is it? You want me to do that now?

We have to fill time. Let's go. We don't have to fill time for you. One of the best films of the year to talk about. Let's go. Really quickly, it's miso. Yeah. Maple.

A little maple syrup. Honey? No, you don't need two sweeteners. You could do honey instead of maple. Yeah. Garlic? You could. I don't.

This is maddening. You could put a little rice wine vinegar in there. You could put a little citrus if you. choose for a bite. For a little, yeah, a little acidity. Is this a top 10 bit from the year? I'd say so. The fans want this.

Chris, you don't want my miso maple chicken. So, I'm just saying, Andy, why did you wait three months to tell me this? Because it didn't come up in the podcast until now. And this is where our high value targets, this is what we're really talking about. What I'm saying is Chris, look into your heart. What is this, Captain Phillips? What are you talking about? You don't want my maple miso chicken recipe.

You want yours. All right. I'm saying is go ahead and get it, Padawan. Let's talk about the favorite before we go. Am I your favorite? Look at me! Dude, I fucking love this movie. This is a great movie.

Set the table for this movie because I feel like people, it might not be playing in people's cities, so they might not be on their radar yet. If it has crossed your radar, you might see a poster, you might see that it spelled the English way, and you might be like, nah, that's not for me. I think it's probably is. I think it probably is. If you like Succession, if you like, if you like VEP, if you like really just rich people

being syphilitic assholes and just completely undressing one another verbally and also in the boudoir. I just, this movie is just delightful. I think it might be an acquired taste. What I would say is that watching the three,

watching Olivia Coleman and Emma Stone and Rachel Weiss, it's like playing NBA jam. It's like they've just cleared out everything else for these three actresses. And the sets, while opulent, because they filmed in these palaces,

are very spare. Like, it's almost like Lars von Trigger, like they're just acting on a bare stage and sometimes. And they have so much space to operate in. And the cameras almost feel like CCTV at time, like the way that they're like just sort of panning around these rooms with their different lenses. But it's essentially just like,

ISO for Olivia Coleman, Rachel Weiss, and Nemus Stone. And they are all on the same wavelength in their performance. Like they're each playing these different bits, but they are all like, okay, we're going to go do this thing. This is the tone we're going to search for. And I mean, it's just such a like absolutely delightful watch. I want to be clear for our listeners. Even though it's about like having gout. I think that our listeners are ready for this.

I have because I've been making my own piece on maple. making it wrong. Also because you're adding honey to your maple syrup. Just a pinch of gout. That's going to give you some definite blood sugar. If you do maple syrup and honey? What are you doing? It's not just that it's like NBA jam.

I just want people to be clear that this is like peak 95, you choose Orlando Magic, and Scott Skiles is on fire. His entire body is literally a flame. Yeah, yeah. As he shoots three balls and passes it to shack. You rarely get to see. performances like this in a movie were not just

not just one, two, three a plus plus plus performances but they are running quite a high speed offense together. Yeah. They are so good and for people who, we didn't even explain this.

So, Yorgos Lanthamos is a, he's a former theater director turned movie director as movies are arch, I would say. They're funny and horrifying often an equal measure.

Dog tooth, the lobster, and the killing of the sacred deer. Love the lobster. Of those that you mentioned, I think if you like that, you'll definitely like this. If you didn't like that, you should still give this a shot. It is historical in that the characters are based on actual people, and the vibe is certainly taken from historical record,

where Olivia Coleman plays Queen Anne near the end of her short and unhappy reign, and Rachel Weiss plays Lady Marlborough, who was her close confidence. Yeah, but it's basically acting like Lucy Lou and Kill Bill. Like, she's just walking around, like, swinging word swords of people. And then Emma Stone shows up as a kind of fallen and disgraced cousin of Rachel Weiss's character who ingratiates herself into the palace and then eventually with the queen. This shit is savage. It is sexual. It is funny. It is horrifying at times. And it is nothing, if not entertaining on the highest level throughout. Yeah. I mean, it is so expertly conceived and shot Emma Stone is just really on one. and it's

how like Nicholas Holt is amazing in it Mark Gattis as well in a small role you look at this and it's like this was really hard to do on this level it's kind of you kind of just want to step back and applaud because

to get this tone so exactly right and just pull it off for two hours that feel quick a tight two it's really a marvel it's really a marvel and I guess you could say that there's some elements of it

where you watch just patently ridiculous people wearing foppish wigs doing ridiculous things while the fates of hundreds of thousands if not millions of common people or normal people are

not just ignored but belittled and mocked from far, far, far away. If you were the sort of person that needs to have that law and order bum bum drawn from the headline stuff, you could do that. This is definitely a movie that fits right in in our current era

but it actually is just like, well, here's a perfectly conceived thing. Please enjoy it. And I think that's probably the better recommendation to make. I couldn't put it any better. Okay, so we obviously are head over heels for the favorite. We highly recommend the second season of Marvelous as Basil. Do we? I feel like you don't.

I've watched one episode. Oh, well, before you watch the second, just add a dollop of honey. Okay. Just sweeten it up a little bit. We'll be back on Monday until then. Thanks for listening. Young diabetes over here. I worry about you.

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