The Watch - Golden Globes Nominations, Rewatching ‘Succession,’ and a ‘Landman’ Crash Course With Timothy Simons. Plus, Paramount’s Hostile Takeover.

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

Chris opens the show by reacting to the news that Paramount is mounting a hostile takeover in the wake of Netflix’s Warner Bros. Discovery acquisition (1:00). He is then joined by Timothy Simons to talk about the Golden Globes nominations and why the awards show can still platform lesser-known titles (4:15). Along the way, Tim runs through everything he’s been watching, including recent ‘Succession’ and ‘Girls’ rewatches (14:55). Later, they discuss the degree of difficulty required to pull off what Rhea Seehorn is doing on ‘Pluribus,’ the show’s biggest fan theories (29:52), and ‘Landman’ S2E4 (48:34). Subscribe to the Ringer TV YouTube channel here for full episodes of The Watch and so much more! Host: Chris Ryan Guest: Timothy Simons Producers: Kaya McMullen and Kai Grady Additional Video Supervision: Donald LoBianco Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello and welcome to The Watch. My name is Chris Ryan. I am an editor at the ringer.com. And joining me in the studio today shortly will be Tim Simons because Andy is traveling and Tim was nice enough to come by and guest host the episode with me today. Obviously coming out of this weekend, you know, Tim and I talked about Golden Globes,

of which nobody wants this. The show he's on is nominated. We talked a little bit about pluribus and Landman and just TV in general. It was really fun chat. But coming out of this weekend, there's really only one story and that is the announcement on Thursday night

and the developments over the weekend about Netflix making an offer to buy and entering into an agreement with Warner Brothers to purchase their studios and their streaming service HBO Max as well as the network HBO. This comes on the heels of Paramount's competing bid for Warner Brothers. Warner Brothers went with the Netflix offer Warner Brothers

is one of the most historically significant institutions in the history of American entertainment. Their IP treasure chest is probably unrivaled in Hollywood, with the exception of perhaps Disney. And it's a huge crown jewel of, honestly, American cultural heritage at this point. And it's up for grabs. And we're really, really, really only in the prologue of this story.

As we were recording today this morning, Paramount announced that it was going to be conducting a hostile takeover bid of Warner Brothers. had a very funny experience this weekend where I was cleaning out my kitchen and I saw a red envelope next to an old toaster and it turned out to be disc two of Ingmar Bergman's scenes from a marriage that I have no recollection of renting from Netflix when it was simply a mail order DVD company but it was there and it's been there for several years and I hope my credit rating is okay because of that but it did make me laugh that you know this relatively humble novel company when it first started of like,

what if we just sent you DVDs in the mail and you sent them back when you were done with them, is now this Goliath, who may swallow up half of the industry. And Andy and I will talk more this week about the pros and cons of that. And also just probably how helpless everybody feels in the face of it.

I'll save a lot of this stuff for me and Andy. Let's get into my conversation with Tim Simons, which takes up the rest of the show. Like I said, we talked about the most recent episode of Plyrobus the most recent episode of Landman, the Golden Globes, rewatching Succession,

and who we would want to play golf with if we were the last people on Earth. All right, I'm now joined by the Critics' motherfucking choice. Tim Simons, Tim, you know what? You're not the only award nominee in this room right now. I know. While you were out getting the water,

I congratulate. Kyne. Guy McGuhrie Bruckheimer of Good Hang with Amy Poehler is also nominated for a Golden Globe. Thanks. Do you get to go to the room? I don't know. I would say there's probably a long list of people before me that will be in that room.

Not that long. I mean, I'm very excited for this possibility. If only for like the idea of you being in proximity to like some of these. I'm very excited to maybe meet Mel Robbins. Oh, yeah. Right. I wonder if there's a separate podcast ceremony or are they going to be part of the evening.

I could see it being like an off camera like congrats, you know, like creative arts Emmy kind of deal. I do want to just throw this out. Kaya, I feel like we don't know each other super well. Historically, I've enjoyed talking to you. But for some reason, the table placement is much more favorable for Kaya. Like, I'm going to absolutely just, like, mad dog her every time I'm in here. Like, I will never, I won't even throw you like a cursory glance. It will just be like blankter.

Do I know you? Have we met before? Yeah. That's cool. Hey, Tim. I'll just keep introducing myself politely. Hey, I'm, Tim. Nice to meet you.

The Golden Globes were announced this morning of Andy, obviously. is going to be on or later in the week, and we'll probably recap some of this stuff in more depth, including the merger stuff. But the Globes nominations were this morning. I have a funny relationship with the Globes. I'll just tell you where I don't really understand who nominates things or votes on them.

But I do find award shows to be relatively amusing and useful as markers of like, oh, this is what people generally who watch a lot of TV or a lot of movies were into. Congratulations on nobody wants this, getting nominated, right? Yeah, nobody wants this, got nominated. Adam and Kristen both got nominated, which is rad.

And, like, yeah, whenever people bag on award shows, like, I get it. There are more important things going on in the world. But one thing that is cool about them is that that is an opportunity for, like, under-seeing movies or television shows to get a bump, to get more people to know about them, to get them into the conversation, especially if they're sort of, like, criminally underwatched. Did you ever throughout your time on VEP or on Nobody Wants this, like do a deep dive into like what the advanced analytics are to get nominated for a globe or is it still just like you believe in magic when it happens, it happens?

I believe in magic, but there's also a part of me that like I don't know if this is incredibly stupid on my part. Like that side of the business, I almost am like willingly telling myself to not know about it. And I don't know if that work. to my detriment or to my overall benefit. Do you vote in SAG? I vote in SAG, and I vote in Emmys. Oh, wow.

Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Do you ever, do you zag hard when you're voting? Do you ever, like, throw, like, some random stuff in there? Or, like, you know, like, kind of try to stand out a little bit from the masses? I try to do is because there are 780 television shows. There's no way that you can watch them all.

Yeah. So I do try. I know there was, like, that thing with the Oscars, like, recently they were like, by the way, you have to watch a movie. You would think that would be a prerequisite. I think it's honor system, but yes. Yes. Yeah.

And so I really do try to go for the things that I've not only seen but thought were great. And what that means is that sometimes there are some people that are very much in a conversation, but I'm just like I can't in good conscience vote for it. Sure. I just, I haven't seen it. Right. One thing that's always sort of strange about the globe nominations and the globes themselves is that because of the timing of it vis-a-vis the Emmys, There will always be like a way to understand, I thought adolescence won everything already.

Like, how are we doing adolescence again towards the end of the year? It's very strange when those kinds of like recycled word runs happen. Yeah. And you wonder, like, is Stephen Graham going to be as excited as the one? Because, God, that guy rules. That guy rules. I think he'll be sincere, but I don't know if we're going to get the same level of Emmys candor from him. Yeah.

It was really fun. Like, at the Emmys this past year, I was in a. I was in a row, like we were right next to Noah Wiley. And as we've talked about before, I was a huge fan of the pit. I came to it late after you guys saying over and over again that I should watch it. And I came to it late and it is as advertised really good. I was in and then to our right was the entire adolescence crew. So to like be in between that level of happiness was like a really amazing way.

Was Owen Cooper from Adolescence giving like a lot of like the V's to like the pit, people, be like how you like that? I did at one point when I was talking to Noah Wiley, I really wanted it to work out. I tried to convince him to do a bit that if he won, he would stand up

and like we would have a moment where we said, we did it. And he didn't go for it. He went for like the human, like he hugged his wife. I thought that would have been really good. Like, we did it, man. We got there.

Another reason I'm bad at the business is both on Friday morning and this morning when my phone is blowing up. My first question is, what happened? I had no idea on Friday morning that critics' choices were being announced. Which you got nominated for. I did. Yeah. And it was great.

My kid's birthday was over the weekend, and it was actually kind of lovely to be able to take a moment during like this birthday weekend. They turn 14, and they're wonderful people. They're kind and they're creative. But it was nice to be. to take a moment to focus on their birthday weekend about what really mattered, which is individual acting nominations. Yeah, I was wondering about that. I was waiting for the butt there. Yeah. But sometimes it's about dad. But sometimes it's about dad. It's about dad's about what

dad brings to the table. Yeah. While they were blowing out the candles, I was like, I hope they're wishing for a win. Yeah. And or did not get nominated for any of the major sort of drama or writing awards, but Diego Luna did get nominated for actor. Task had won with Ruffalo, no Taylor Sheridan at all for none of his shows. And Catherine Lanassah, who plays Nurse Dana on the pit and won an Emmy, did not get nominated. Really? Yeah, which was pretty surprising.

That's surprising. And did I see correctly that one battle didn't get nominated for? No, it's in comedy. Oh, it's in comedy. Oh, okay, good, good. I don't know how I feel about, at this point, I almost feel like the globe should be like, I don't know whether I feel like it should tack closer to the Oscars in terms. of its categories. I appreciate the fact that like more movies get nominated for globes and then like to your point, you can get like people being like, oh, I didn't see Jay Kelly or whatever.

I don't think Jay Kelly got nominated. But by that same token, like it is strange when one battle is very funny. Many of Paul Thomas Anderson's movies are very funny. I would not explicitly call them comedies like and I wouldn't call them musicals. And so it competing against other comedies and musicals a little strange. There is and I think there is also that thing of like whether or not you agree with the category. I mean, an argument can absolutely be made that one battle after another is the funniest movie that got released this year. For sure.

You know, like that argument is, I don't think that's like a category fraud thing. Because it is fun to tell people that haven't seen it. Like, hey, in the first 30 minutes, you're going to think I'm insane when I tell you this is the funniest movie you'll see all year. But with comedies being broadly ignored in awards. in awards talk, unless there is a specific category for it, like a lot of comedies don't get nominated for Oscars, or at least maybe more recently,

I do like that there is like, okay, no, we're going to actually put some light on those as well. It almost would be better if, I mean, like, I guess that this gets to the point of, like, there just aren't enough comedies being made for as feature films anymore. So you do wind up having things that are like, whether it's a big musical getting put in there

or something that is right on the line between drama, in comedy and probably leading more drama, even if it's funny, something like one battle, which will probably win that. I think already Supreme is also in the comedy category as well, which I haven't seen yet. Which I haven't seen it. But in any case,

for the nomination's Best TV drama, it was the diplomat, the pit, Pleribus, which we're going to talk about, severance, slow horses, White Lotus. For Best TV comedy, it was Abbott Elementary, the Bear, Hacks, nobody wants this, only murders in the

building, and the studio. Which is that, would that be studio season, season one? Yeah. And they weren't, had it not come out in time? This is the thing, is that like they did a whole Emmy's run. And now we're getting, this is now like the end of the cycle for like its awards eligibility for season one. For season one.

Yeah. Which I think, off the top of my head, that feels like outside of the studio, the exact same lineup from last year. It's very similar. And they're still doing this bare hacks thing, you know, which is, which is, which is, which is, I just find now amusing to like watch these two go up against each other. Best Limited series was adolescence, all her fault. The Beast of Me, which I watched in its entirety. Black Mirror, which I kind of, that was one that I was surprised, got put up for awards.

Or like, I like Black Mirror a lot this season, but it was like, I was like, oh yeah, Black Mirror came out, dying for sex, and the girlfriend, which I had to look up. That's a Robin Wright show with Olivia Cook from House of the Dragon. and it's about a girlfriend who disrupts a family. And I was just like, this doesn't seem like a real show, and it really was. And it really was?

Yeah. I check it out. I like Olivia Cook. I like Olivia Cook, too. She was great in Dragon. She's great in the first episode of Slow Horses. Yeah. That had to be like House of Dragon-related scheduling, right?

It is. I mean, we've now gotten into, I was actually going to encourage this for you. We have gotten into spoilers for Slow Horses. So you can click it. ahead 15 seconds, killing people off, like named actors, killing them off in the early, like, first episode or so. This is the Kyle Chandler, mayor of Kingston move.

And this is a part for you, you know, to be like pretty famous guy who's on the poster and then gets his head blown off in the first episode. Honestly, that'd be sick. The only thing that I don't like about that is, I don't know, whenever I see Olivia Cook, like when she gets, again, spoilers for a five-year-old, five-year-old, first season. the first season of a television show that if you're listening to this, you probably watch. There is always that part of me.

Whenever I see an actor get shot and actually killed, I am like, fuck, I wish they just still had a job. It's like whenever I watched, like I had a real trouble watching the first season of Fargo, which is like a show I love. But when they were out on the frozen lakes, I was just like, man, everybody was so cold that day. You know, like the crew had those heated vests.

I know everybody, like breakfast was a nightmare. Yeah. You know, I can't, sometimes I can't get past, like the actual just being on set part of it. I think Andy had a funny moment when he was doing Breyer Patch where like, you know, he writes these scripts and then, you know, 80% of them is like exterior nighttime. Yeah. And I was like, that's sick, dude, that's going to be awesome.

Just like James Elroy and like Raymond Chandler. And then he was like, so it turns out you start shooting at midnight or whatever like 10 p.m. He's like, I'm going to make some of this stuff daytime. Like I love any movie like nightcrawler. Any movie that takes place all at night. But there is that thing where it's like you're on your third day of night shoots and it's just like, oh, I smoke again. Yeah. Like I don't know what the real world is.

I have a fan duel account. Yeah. All I do is bet like Mexican soccer league games. Like Korean baseball. So that I can track it live. All right. Let's talk about some of the stuff that you're watching now. Okay.

I'm really curious about, you know, you go through a year. You shoot nobody wants this, what, in the spring of 25? When you do a show and when you're on a series, are you, and obviously we've had, I've been on the physical media high counsel with Tim. I've been a recent edition. Nothing makes me happier. Which by the way, I want to tell you, shoot first, die later, what an incredible recommendation. My God, brother. We've been on this little, is it Polizia Texi? Polisiatechi? Polisi. Tesi, yeah. We've been on a little bit of a run with that, and it's just been incredible.

Tim and I are collecting 70s Italian crime films. And I would say the hit rate on those is about 50-50. You know, you do get some that are like, here's a hot police commissioner whose dad is corrupt and that he has to sleep with every woman in Rome before he can take his own dad down. And it's like, this is cool. This is cool.

But I don't know about how many hot police commissioners there have ever been, you know? I would say like caliber nine for me didn't hit the heights of shoot first eye later because it felt like a little bit more, like it had like a little bit of an unearned pace. You know, there were moments that were incredible, but then I was also like,

we're really just watching this guy walk to get coffee. Like, this isn't moving it forward very much. Yeah, I've been Vince Gilligan. Yeah. Like Stocky Statham? I can't remember the actor's name, but he looked like Statham if he, like, was shooting a movie

while prepping for like an Oscar role. You know what I mean? We had to, like, gain a bunch of weight. Yeah. Yeah. When you're shooting a show, are you kind of zero, dark, dirty, like you're not watching other TV

just because of time commitment? like how do you catch up and how do you pace out like your TV watching over the course of the year as a also noted cinephile? I would say that most of my watching habits

as we've talked about recently have been more on the movie side but there are things that I am just like no, that's exactly up my alley and then a lot of stuff like if it's something that's exactly at my alley I start it when it starts

like task started it when it started and was with it every single week. And some of the other ones I will let pile up and then like much like the pit, it is like it kind of takes a lot of people recommending it in order for me. And like for something like the pit, which is like a medical procedural, are you like, I'm good? I don't really need to do a hospital show or were you like? I mean, I think that was my first thought.

I think that was my first thought. But when you just have that many people whose opinions you trust and it wasn't just you and Andy. It was everybody. I was like, well, there's got to be something there. My wife and I tried to start watching it. This is one thing. And I will say like my wife is great. She'll suggest a lot of shows that we watch. And then we start them and we watched the first episode of the pit and she was like, I'm absolutely not watching the last of this. Like, this is too stressful. We started watching the studio and she kept getting up to like leave the room to like do a short errand in the house. Like, oh, I have to just like switch the laundry over.

or I have to just run upstairs and grabs. And you know, these episodes are only like 21 minutes long. But I would like pause them. And it got to the point where from the other room, she would shout, don't pause it. I'm leaving because she doesn't do well with comedy of discomfort. She like internalizes it too much. I know.

I know. Maybe I was different. Yeah. I can't imagine I was. I honestly probably share that a little bit with her. Like when Andy and I talk about like chair company or, even some of the Nathan Filder stuff, like I get, like, it's hard for me to get through it.

Like, once I have a breakthrough, like I do with a chair company, I'm like, okay, like, I feel like I understand it. But the initial sort of like, oh my God, this is so awkward. That's the whole kind of thrust of the joke is tough. Yeah. There are moments where I think Nathan Fielder should be illegal. Like he, like, we should just like, I think he should be in jail. And then also, when he's flying the plane, I'm also like, this man is a miracle.

Yeah. The, but no, so I actually do kind of find out about a lot of shows through Annie, which I will then continue watching after she taps out. This is the great debate. I mean, like every couple has their private war. Yes. I was trying to get my wife to watch UK celebrity traders for a couple of weeks, because apparently it's like completely amazing, and it's on Peacock now.

And she was just like, I, she's like at some point, we'll check it out one time. And then I came back. I turned around yesterday. I watched The Sixers game and she was like, I'm five episodes in. You're out. Like, you're, I'm not explaining to you. Like, I'm addicted. I don't want to watch anything else tonight.

Like, this is what we're doing. It makes it maybe a little bit easier, I guess, for that dynamic when I'm out of town. Like, when I have to go out of town for work for a couple weeks. And then it's just sort of like, oh, we'll both watch on our own time and discuss. Yeah, we watch Great British Bake Off with the family. That's nice. That's like a family, like, routine thing. family routine there.

But yeah, like... You watch Task with the kids too. Yeah, throughout, yeah, they were really, they were in it just for the Philly accents. They were only pointing out flaws. She's obviously Irish, you know? But like, I think I also have been doing a thing which we kind of texted a little bit about.

I love rewatching things. I found like a lot of comfort and rewatching things. And over the course, so then you throw in, you know, an unbelievable amount of actual new television. And then you throw in that, like, in the past, in the past year, I rewatched girls and succession. And then I watched, we own this city. And I had never seen it.

Did you do it just because you didn't just do it because I kept screaming like him, right? Like, you actually were interested in the subject matter? Of We Own This City? Do you know that I just do Bernthal from We Own This City, like, all the time? Like, God damn, Sean! Okay. Maybe I didn't get the reference until now.

You independently just like we're like it's time to take. It's time. And I did it and it was phenomenal. It's mind-blowing. It's mind-blowingly good. And then one thing that happened was because we shot Veep in Baltimore, there were sets, like interior sets that you recognized? That I recognized.

And then it made me nostalgic for Baltimore. Oh, yeah. And then also just being like, I yeah, George Polikanos and Dave. and Simon are really fucking good at this. Yeah. And I just kind of was like, well, I just want that feeling again. I want like a Baltimore cop, Baltimore City feeling. So I just said, fuck it.

And through the wire around. I recommended homicide for you for this. Because homicides on Peacock now. And you can do, like, you can kind of come and go with homicide as you please. Okay. Like, it's not something where you're like, I forgot the long running plot that's been going on this entire season. Like you can do three episodes and then drop it.

for a month and then come back and do three episodes. And they front load it where it's like those first few seasons of homicide are incredible. But if you lose interest once certain characters leave, you can be like, okay, I'm tapping out before, you know, I think they wound up doing like six or seven seasons. Yeah. Which is weird because it was always on the chopping block,

but they kept it going. It kind of became adjacent to Law & Order after a certain point. So it was on for a while, but those first few seasons, if you're looking for Baltimore nostalgia, it's right there. All right, cool. With the rewatching thing, I've really wanted to do this recently because I can't remember, I think it was a succession episode I was watching on a plane and I was like, this is just the best show ever made. And I find that there's like 50% recall and then 50% like, oh yeah, I forgot about this subplot. And it's those forgot about those subplots that I'm really happy to rediscover sometimes, like when I'm rewatching stuff.

Do you have in your rewatches of like girls or whatever? Or is there like, are you, do you find yourself drawn to different characters or different storylines more than the first time around? Definitely drawn to different characters, just like in that psychotic way that like the amount of times that I've seen one battle, like different things stick out each time. Yeah. Maybe you're kind of more dialed in with a different character the second or third time around. I think one thing that I really noticed was, especially like in the succession rewatch, was realizing

that I had read scenes entirely the wrong way the first time. Oh, like what? One, my memory of the first time around was that Jared Mencken was definitely going to be president. That was like they had done it. And it was much more vague. Like you hear talk about, you hear talk about like, well, they're going to be investigations.

And challenges. And challenges, like, you know, the, like the Democratic candidate in Wisconsin, they were going to challenge that, so it wasn't so cut and dry the first time. And honestly, Shiv really stuck out a lot this time. And I think this is a credit to Sarah Snook. Like, she's such a great actress in that way that, like, Dave Mandel used to talk about Julia Louis Dreyfus when people would say, I want Selena Meyer to be my president. Right.

And he would be like, no, you don't. You want Julia to be your president. And I think that's something Sarah Snook sort of shares that in that you kind of love her as a her former so much, you don't notice that she is kind of as bad as Kendall. That was always like the most interesting thing that was happening with Succession because I think it's a very emblematic show of this sort of like widespread inability to distinguish between like I'm watching a writer tell a story rather than like I am cheering for people to win or lose. And like we're like on this pod and else we're like as much responsible for that as

anyone because we're like. I'm glad you're taking the cup of that day. Whose power rank. like we're power ranking characters. We're like, how is this going to end? Who's going to win succession, kind of? But that was always my thing with Kendall, like with Jeremy Strong, where I was like, I'm not saying like I think Kendall is an awesome hang or like I want him to direct a film like that I star. And I'm just saying like this performance is really singular.

And like we're going to remember it for a really long time, which we do because we're still kind of referencing it to this day. Yeah. And there's also like with the girls rewatch because I had. because I had been working with Jenny Connor, Jenny Connor and Bruce Eric Kaplan now run. Nobody wants this. And we've been talking about girls a lot.

And I was just like, fuck it. I haven't seen it since it first came out. When it comes to like the power rankings thing, one thing was amazing about going back to that one, was watching it while being free of like the, the take industrial complex that we all had to be a part of. Like the discussions of how every single episode was both the best thing that have ever happened

and also setting women back 100 years. Like all of that garbage, like to have none of that noise and just appreciate it as a show was incredible. And like those first two seasons, I know it's a show that was very specifically about millennials,

they really feel timeless. Yeah. Like a very timeless representation of that feeling of being just out of college and sort of an adult. Like that really stuck out. There's also like, whenever I go back and rewatch girls' episodes,

So it's the thing that comes screaming out of the screen is like it's feeling of like a sense of place. You know, like that they did shoot it in New York and that it did have that kind of like on stoop's in apartments that looked like people's apartments in New York and at bars that looked like bars people would go to. And, you know, I mean, obviously as it goes to like the Iowa Writers Workshop and upstate birthing facilities or whatever, like it gets a little bit stranger. but man, that show is so good. Didn't Brody at the New Yorker put Adam Driver on like his top 10 film performances of all time? Adam Driver and Girls? Adam Driver and Girls.

I mean, that sounds like Richard Brody to a Tee. Yeah. And honestly, like in going back, it's like, you know, he can make a real strong case for that. Sure. Brody is, or Adam Driver is absolutely unbelievable. Did you, did girls in Veep ever like share Sundays? I feel like there was like a legendary.

legendary HBO Sunday that was like Thrones Girls Veepe or something? It was drones, girls and then Veepe and girls we premiered on the same day I think it was season possibly I think maybe season two of Game of Thrones but that was the run that we were

there for. It was always it was Thrones and then girls and then Veefe That's the thing is that I obviously probably would have I think I was an Ian Uchi fan and like a fan of so many of the people involved in that show and Julia Louis-Refus so I would have watched VEP but I do think that to your point earlier about award stuff

where you're like, hey, some people might not know some of these shows and just simply them getting nominated or getting talked about at an award show might bring new people to the series. Dude, like the idea of like stitching together a night of programming in order to like bring things up

by having a Game of Thrones lead in and then you're like, not only is it a great lead in because it's so popular, but I need to come down after like watching a pregnant lady get stabbed to death on Game of Thrones. So I'm going to watch Jonah and Hannah for their next hour. And it's really, really like, it's a lost art form, I think.

Yeah. And even the idea that, like, you know, Lena Dunham was like not as well known a commodity or an actress or performer or writer as Julia. So even to be like, hey, in between Game of Thrones which you're watching and Julia, who you know, there's this other thing that's really good. Like that actual sort of like that programming art, like, yeah, we watch. Andy and I used to do this thing every once in a while called like the, um, like I think it was like the, the primetime,

like what was it like the streaming TV programming grid or something like that? Kaya was like basically we would make a 8 p.m. to 11.30 p.m. like night of television based on like stuff that was on streaming. Yeah. So that it would basically be like, uh, what it was like to watch NBC on like a Thursday in the 90s or something like that. And it,

it is tough. I do think that they've kind of gotten away from half hour comedies so much now that it's sort of difficult to like do the like, I'm going to do two comedies at eight, a drama at nine, maybe another drama 10 or maybe two more comedies to kind of like be a buffer for them. But it is, it is difficult to like kind of, because of all the choice people have with streaming services, I don't think people are ever thinking in terms of two TV shows that might complement each other. They're thinking of, I'm going to watch four episodes of this and then go to bed.

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Save at Whole Foods Market. Just to that awards conversation thing, and this will be, I guess, a little bit of a segue into Pluribus, like. Which also got nominated. Which also got nominated. That is a show that the premise of, like, and I've been telling people about it recently, and I will say, like, that thing that they did, like, maybe this is like a program thing.

I'm like, we're going to give you the first two episodes. Because if you see the, I tell people like, this show's incredible. And if you just watch the first episode, I'm telling you, it's, the rest of it is not like that. Like if you are somebody who doesn't like horror movies or doesn't like sci-fi and you watch the first episode, you might be like, this show's not for me. But I'm like, you just like, even if you just watch 10 minutes of the second episode, you're going to get a much better idea of what this thing is all about. Yeah. But it's fun finally to have a show that's like, oh, Wednesday nights. Like, I get to look forward to Wednesday nights when Pluribus comes out.

It's also, to your point about the Sarasnook performance, like this Ray Seahorn performance is such that her kind of skill and ability, like, transcends, like, carol. So even though you're watching Pluribus, and I think a lot of people might be like, why is she doing this? Why is she doing that? Like, why would she be so mean?

And if she knows this is going to happen, why is she going to do that? but Seahorn's performance in and of itself is something to root for. Yeah. So I can spend as much and it's really interesting to get to your current through six.

Like you watch the most recent one. Yeah, yeah. It's really interesting because now I think we're about to sort to start to bring maybe some more people into the show because it's been such a one-hander. I was watching an interview with Bob Odenkirk

a while ago where he was talking about doing the first season of Saul and how he's like in like every shot. Like his character, Saul Goodman is like in every shot of the first season of Better Call Saul and how hard it was and like how exhausting it is to just be like on all day long so for so many hours. I can't imagine for Seahorn like how like she's not only in everything but physically has to like traverse like great distances do all these things be in these emotional states. And like you know and like use a pickaxe. Yeah. Like I've used a pickax for like 50.

minutes before and then was laid up for four? In Maine? Or was this like where- It was actually in LA. Oh. Yeah, it was digging up like a flower bed that was like left over. You know what I mean?

It was like, it was a bunch of lava rock and it looked really bad. And I was like, whatever, I'm gonna do this myself. You were bringing down your compost? Yeah, and then I was like just in traction. No, and not only, not only is she carrying like all of the emotional weight. Yeah. Of the entire show.

And not only is she in every shot. Like there was the one episode, was it four or five when everybody leaves? And then it's just her. Yeah. Like she doesn't even have another actor. To play off of. To play off of. Like the level of difficulty and the seeming ease with which she pulls it off is unbelievable.

There's been some really good Vince Gilligan interviews where he, especially on Polygon where he's talked a little bit about, you know, basically like this. Polygon the one where you can like bet on if there's going to be? No, that's Polymarket. Polymarket. Yeah. So you want to get into that? What do you want to bet on? Over under three and a half more boat strikes before the end of the week.

Jesus Christ. So you want to talk about that? We don't want to talk about the merger. We're going to do the boat strikes. All right. I'm all in on my guy Pete. Yeah, right. He's a piece of shit.

I can say that pretty confidently. No, the Gilligan's talking about like the way that the writer's room kind of is sorting through the permutations of this story and going through step by step and it really is it's basically you could cut

and paste an interview from Breaking Bad or Saul like the way they kind of interrogate every piece of narrative and plot point and the show is like really shockingly I think it's refreshingly so far

everything that's coming out, whether it's a character beat or whether it's an idea about the world, it's all plot. And it's like plot to the point of like, how is she going to get her food if nobody is around? Yeah.

Or how does she get rid of her trash if wolves knock over her trash cans? And, you know, what will she do? Like, how would she get to Vegas if no one's willing to fly her so she'll drive her cop car to Vegas? Like, I love the way that this show makes me use my brain, like, along with the writers.

Yeah. That feeling, And I don't know that I've had this feeling in a long time of any single moment in that show, you don't know what could possibly happen next. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like story-wise, I have no idea what anybody's next move is going to be. You know, like that, like, meme format of, like, don't let them know your next move.

I do know that format. It feels like that. But, like, without. Ray's Seahorn being like as emotionally grounded in it, it might just become boring. It might just become like, well, I just want to know what happens. And I'll watch it on like two times beat just to know what happens. But you're with her in every single like emotional beat as well, which is incredible. Like, but even like her.

Yeah. Like even as you're watching it, you ask those questions of like, oh, like if wolves were trying to dig up or coyotes were trying to dig up like the shallow grave that I had buried my wife in, how would I go about? Well, it's pretty easy. You would have asked the others to give you a full predator, like the predator suit. Trust me, I've all. I mean, like, the fact that the one guy,

I can't remember his name, but the guy who's, like, just acting out, like the last scene in a James Bond. Yeah. I have thought to myself. Like, what would you put yourself in? Yeah, what do I put myself in? I know exactly what I would do.

I mean, everybody, everybody that surrounds me as a cinematographer, like, you know, has, has, has like the knowledge of Robert Ellswitt in their head. Like, we could just fucking make a movie. Yeah. I mean, I would also just do, I would just rob the bank from heat. I'd have to know. What a great idea.

I'd have to know what it feels like. Just load them up with like full blanks. We're for the bank's money, not your money. Your money is insured. Don't be a hero. You could also have essentially Val Kilmer train you how to do the mag switch. I could. You know what I mean?

So you could even spend weeks in training getting the mag switches right. God, that can be awesome. For the bank high scene. That'd be great. There's something about the way they plot this show that makes me think of improv comedy. And I just wanted to bounce this off of you. Like, I don't know a lot about, like, the rules and regulations and philosophies of improv comedy, but I am familiar with, like, the idea of yes and and, like, doing, like, basically,

like, how this show never lets go of a decision. So once they make the decision, like, this is happening with. the world. They don't just say, like, and we'll come back to that in a couple of episodes. But right now, let's go over here.

They're like, no, okay, so she discovers this. But what if people were actually okay with it? You know what I mean? Like there's like a way that they're using the writer brains

and they're putting characters in positions of like, every time you think you're going to be like, oh no, it's fucking body snatchers. It's on. Like everybody's going to, now we have to start a resistance

to the alien invasion. There's like this slight kind of like, But what if we didn't? You know, like, what if they, or what if it was, yeah, they're eating people, but what if people were okay with it kind of thing? Yeah. And before I answer the improv comedy thing, I would just say the one interesting thing about it is that it kind of over and over again. I mean, we're six episodes in, and you're kind of still asking the question, like, I don't know, is it so bad?

Right. They all seem to be pretty good to one another. They're all concerned about their community. Right. Like, we lack a little individuality. You know what I mean? they've done a really good job balancing whether or not this is actually a bad thing. Yeah, and I think a lot of the questions that the show asks are moral and ethical and philosophical,

which makes it really engaging to chew on, it engages a different part of my brain that a lot of other TV does, where it's just simply like, will Billy Bob Thornton, you know, tell this guy how oil really works. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are the two parts of your brain, philosophical and will Billy Bob Thornton. to your improv question. And there were going to be a lot of people that are way more able to answer this question than I am who just have more experience

or whatever. If Walshie was in here, he wrote books on it. But there is something that I remember for when I first moved out here and I was taking classes at UCB, this idea of like, I can't remember what they called it, but it was like the weird thing that just happens on stage that can't be ignored. And like you go out on stage

and you think like, oh, this is going to go this way. But then something happens where you just have to be like, no, no, no. That happened. You have to address it. Yeah.

Lock onto that and that becomes the game. And in that way, like, it does feel like that in like the game of them just needing space from her is so funny. Yeah. But every...

And the answering machine message is the best. Yes. And the way they make, they make you play it out. every time. They make you wait with her every time. There is something to that. Like, like, the show is as much philosophical drama as it is comedy. Like, one of the funniest things I've seen recently was that fucking drone trying to pick up the trash bag that's just a little bit too heavy. And it ends up swinging around. And it takes so long. But I think, like, I guess my,

the best answer that I could come up with is, like, the attention to the little bit of the little little details and not just skipping over the weird thing to get further into the story or into the plot being like, no, like we are, this weird thing happened and we have to spend time with it because to ignore it would mean, it would leave the audience with the question. And I think that, I mean, that was one of the things that, why they, like in improv classes they pointed that out. Sure. Like, if you skip over that, the audience is going to be wondering why nobody responded to that.

One of my biggest pet peeves of, I think I've, I've said this enough times that I've like I'm repeating myself now, but like one of my biggest pet peeves in TV writing is when two characters are having a conversation, they get to the most important part of the conversation and one character kind of inexplicably walks out of the room. And it's because they end the scene or go to commercial or keep whatever, but this would happen all the time on like kind of pulpy dramas where it'll be like, this guy just drove across the city to have inexplicably a face-to-face conversation with you. You get right up to the most important part where you're like, I'm just not going to do that. And they're like, hmm,

and they leave. Instead of just being like, wait, no way, I drove over here. We have to talk this out. We have to figure this out. I dealt with crosstown traffic at like 4.30 on a Thursday. Do you know how busy it is in the Ozarks right now? Yeah. For Ozark? Yeah. I drove around this lake. I found out that you're growing heroin and now I'm leaving. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I didn't get all the information. Like, no, like, if I'm going to go to the west side to ask somebody one question, I'm gonna ask it. I'm not just gonna freely get back on the 10. For the last five minutes, I've basically been

a little bit distracted because I keep thinking about what truly your vision of an alien invasion utopia would be, and it would be living abandoned with Tiger, Phil, and Rory. And golfing every day, but

they always lose by like one stroke to you. To the point where they are like, like we don't have to discuss it. They all just know. But like you could get like Jim Nance to come to announce, you know? Well, I mean, we'd have to pair of this because you would be there. I would like to be.

Yeah, but I don't know if I would have been one of the, I don't know if I would have, would I be an other or would I be one of the survivors, you know? What do you want to be? I think it would be fun if the two of us were there as survivors and we were like doing like a two man rider cup style. But how many years would we, I would have. so many things I was like, if we're just acting stuff out, you know what I mean? Like, I'd love to just act out Rio Bravo. I'd love to act out like an Italian police crime movie. Like, we would

be pretty busy for like a decade. We, there is no reason to think that we could make, that or that we couldn't make like a Gus Van Zant's psycho shot for shot remake of, of shoot first eye later. Or of Gus Van Zand Psycho. Or Gus Fanske. A shot for shot remake. of Gus Van Zand's Psycho. I think that the aliens would be like, uh, you guys are pretty stupid. This is like,

we can't tell you if there's a way to revert back to the way it was, and we're also not going to do that. We'll give you the atom bomb. We'll do that, but we're not going to do. You want to do, like, we could even, I mean, the planes are there for us.

We could go shoot on the original locations I know. Of shoot first eye later. There for us. I mean, Hoyt van Hoyt's ever going to shoot, like in iMacs for us if we wanted to yeah everybody knows how to do everything we could do it you're not going to have to wait to see the christopher nolan odyssey fuck that fuck that you're in i'm odysseus you're odysseus and you have the time and the access to people you can get you in the shape that matt damon is in

currently i'm trying to think of when i would get bored of this it would be a decade i think i have 10 years of stuff i'd like to experience before i'd be like oh god i really love to uh protect my individual here. But I would definitely be along for the ride of you and me and the other survivors band in five, six days at a time.

Try, you know, getting stock tips from Phil Mickelson at the bar afterwards. He's betting on us. Okay, last pluribus thing is this episode, the sixth one,

did seem to be the one that started to trigger some fan theories. Some conversations about like what's going on here, where is this, going what might be at stake. The thing I wanted to ask you is have you

considered whether or not while they can't lie and they don't want to hurt anything, that this force, this virus, this outside force, that basically they will sometimes lie by omission. Because the theory out there is that

you know, this idea that this, they come to this planet and they're like, well, we can't kill anything. So we're going to starve in 10 years. whatever it's going to be. But that that might be, in and of itself, some kind of weapon to wipe out the planet of human life. Oh. So that Carol's even

initial kind of fear about, oh, is this like an alien invasion or is this an apocalypse? It is, but it's like slow cinema apocalypse. Oh, man. I'm like, God, I'm such a trusting person. Well, that's the thing is that I think that there's something about the show that almost makes you trusting. This was in Polygon. Somebody had like, somebody wrote

this theory up. And I was like, yeah, because I do wonder what, whether or not, like, Gilligan will identify, like, the, the true tension of the show or the true obstacle of the show. Is it just Carol and her wandering the kind of wasteland, like, you know, and figuring out different problem-solving exercises? Or is there something that we're going to find out where it's like, no, this is why they came here and this is why this is happening? It's hard for me Or this is why they sent this virus here Yeah

It's a little hard for me to like Prognosticate on it I guess only because like because I am so trusting Like I'll just take exactly what they give me and believe in it But I do wonder like If it is that And I'm making this up in this moment So if it doesn't make sense I apologize

If it is that if it is ultimately a thing Of like our goal is to like wipe out that planet And it is just sort of like an like an arch evil thing, does that make the show less interesting? Like obviously, like, they're incredible writers and, like, they're always going to make a good show. But does it become a little bit more regular? I don't know. If it's all of a sudden just, oh, yeah, they're all evil and we got to stop the evil.

Whereas this world that we're in, it's so, it sort of swings wildly back and forth between, are they evil or are they not? Or what is evil if? Or what is evil? If evil presents itself in such a benevolent way, is it evil? Is it more interesting to watch her figure that out? I guess that's my question. Would that make it? And I'll ask it to you,

like, would that make it a little bit too just sort of like good versus evil, Avengers Endgame, we got to destroy these guys who are trying to snap away 50% of the world or whatever? I don't know, but I also know that like the way that Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul changed from their first. first season to their fifth seasons or their third. You know, it's like, I don't think that Pluribus Season 3 is going to look like

Pluribus Season 1 at all. You know? In that way, Pluribus Season or Pluribus episode 3 didn't look like Pluribus Episode 1. Yeah, right. Yeah, like they're all so different that, like one amazing thing about it is that like, my interest in

where it goes, is kind of small because this is, I mean, it's like one of the first shows in a while where I am just like moment to moment

of this thing is so incredible that I'm like, wherever it goes, that's great with me because I get to watch all this happen. Yeah, and it's also like you can take joy

and like every moment of it where it's like, it's like to the same point about the answering machine message like all of the stones that she puts down as a memorial slash protective layer

to like keep Helen's body safe. you're like, just put a hundred stones. I just like the way this is shot, the way it looks, the way it's cut, it's so, it's so rewarding. All right, I gave you one piece of homework. You did. For this Andy Greenwald fill-in job. I asked you to watch your first ever episode of Landman. Yeah.

With this weekend's episode Dancing Rainbows. Yeah, just a fully fucking raw-dogging Landman with Dancing Rainbows. Any, did you have any preconceived notions going into this? Did you know anything about it? Had you seen any commercials? for it anything. All that I knew about it was you talking about it. Andy kind of making fun of you for talking about it?

No, but he's, this is the thing is that like, he's now secretly addicted. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think, like, he got a little taste, and now I think he's dabbling on the side where he's like, I watch Layman just in case, if you're ready. If you're ready, if you want to, I mean, it's completely up to you. The only other thing that I knew about it was like Billy

Bob Thornton like on the PR train wearing all like the jingle jangle like that was the only other thing I knew about it so truly that's it that's all I knew the floor is yours I got to say after watching that episode and the way you almost like presented it to me it was like oh big episode tonight and so I was like really expecting like fireworks and executions you know what I mean and so maybe there are some like emotional things happening here that I probably didn't land as much that probably didn't land Spent that much time with the Norris family yet. Yeah. I will say, like, I dug it.

And part of it is, like, man, if you fucking sit Sam Elliott down looking at his sunset. With Billy Bob? With Billy Bob. Yeah. And they're, like, kind of talking very directly and unemotionally about emotions. Yeah. Like, let's fucking do it. Like, I'm probably going to watch some more landman.

This is a strange episode to be giving you as a first piece of homework because I think there are others specifically like there are episodes, many episodes where the Alley Larder character has an outsized role and does things that are totally incongruous with the rest of the show. So in some ways you may have seen the most sober, solemn, and traditionally quote unquote

good episode of Landman that you possibly could have seen. Okay. But in that it is not actually represent of Lamb Man or the glories of this show because the only thing that was sort of off, quote unquote, for this show was Rebecca, who you don't know, who is the lawyer for the Demi Moore, Billy Bob Thornton oil company.

She went to Northwestern. She's an outsider in this oil industry. And so she's constantly being lectured about how things are done in Texas. Now she is like the corporate lawyer for this company. I don't know where she was going on that plane that we saw her on, but the plot line of her on this episode

where she is getting shithoused on watermelon infused vodka from a ranch hand and then really enjoying the I've never flown on a private plane did you ever heard of that taking off from a full stop kind of thing that they do there?

No. No. Not into it. But I have been on planes that have been knocked around that much and I will tell you I'm on her side. Of like this is death.

Of this is what the fuck are we doing? This is immoral. Yeah. Yeah. So in this episode, Rebecca takes this private plane, I assume, to Fort Worth. And they're like, oh yeah, a lot of wind. And they explain that like the private plane is going to do basically like a takeoff from a stopped position, which essentially puts it on a fucking elevator going up through like incredible turbulence.

And it just looks like the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. And the dude next door was like, we don't die this way. I was like, are you sure? Are you sure? Because this is how many, whenever you read about an airplane crash in L.A., it's always one of those, and they go fucking right into the ocean. So, I mean, is that a big thing for her that she would, is he, would he, would he be considered a roughneck or is he a ranch hand? We're going to find out that he's also a geologist or something.

Like he has, you mean, it's got a pretty nice place in Fort Worth. Yeah. So he works in the oil industry, but I don't know what he does. yet. Okay. But am I getting the sense that maybe this is not the person she would normally choose? No, opposite track, brother. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Kind of like that. You'd expect her to be with some dweeby guy in New York who does like mergers and acquisitions, but, you know, the heart wants with the heart wants. And I do like that he is like, it's a great character introduction of like he seems sweet. Yeah. And he seems charming. And like when he's telling her like,

you know, use the aromatherapy thing. You got to put it on the sink drain. Like, I kind of, I come, I'm kind of into this guy. Like, he seems like a good dude. I would imagine that being your first episode, you are not aware of the fact that Andy Garcia's character is in fact a money launderer for the cartel. No, I'm not.

But that's sort of the wrinkle in her asking Andy Garcia to fund her offshore drilling thing. Now, Demi Moore's character was married to, John Ham. John Ham awesome on the first season dies of a heart attack. Okay. So she inherits this company.

Truly had no idea. The entire first season of the show, this is actually like really worth recapping to you. The entire first season of the show, Demi Moore's in like five episodes of the first season, swimming laps or like walking around

in the background of a scene or maybe having like a line or two, but it's usually like, honey, have your green juice or honey take your heart pill. And then John Ham drops dead at the end of the first season and Demi Moore takes over like the company.

John Ham is in the entire first season of this television show. Mostly him getting off private planes talking on his cell phone to Billy Bob. So, like, he could have shot his stuff in, like, six days, honestly. Okay. But, like, he is, like, Billy Bob. He's 1A with Billy Bob the first season. No shit. And then has, dies at the end of it.

So Demi Moore has taken over this company. They have, like, an outstanding lawsuit problem with, like, an offshore facility off of Louisiana. And they quickly need $400 million because it turns out Ham was not good with money. Okay. And they're going to get it from the cartel, it would appear. The cartel is also heavily involved with Billy Bob's son's oil fields. Which is the guy who wore the Texas Tech hat. Yeah.

That might have been. And this is, I can't pretend to know about the panhandle. But growing up in rural Maine, there is something so lived in and familiar about somebody putting on a sport coat and a tie. not taking their hat off. But not taking their hat off. Yeah. And that no one in that world would be like, look, we're at a funeral, you have to take that hat off.

No. No, that's old Connor. It's Connor? Cooper. That's Cooper's hat. Like, he doesn't take it off. Like, that felt really specific and lived in a way that I love. Yeah, so that guy recently became like a billionaire.

Okay. Because he dug six wells in these really random parts of Texas, and they all hit. but it was funded by a fly-by-night finance company that is apparently like Andy Garcia's cartel. And the cartel already doesn't like Billy Bob because they beefed in the first season. So there's, now they're intertwined,

but this weird thing that Taylor Sheridan does where he'll be like, what if for two or three episodes Andy Garcia was just a cool guy and hung out and drank tequila and like warned Cammy off of like dealing with him and all this stuff and as a nice wife? He'll be the villain at some point. But there was that.

And then there's also Cooper and his girlfriend, Ariana, who they've broken up and gotten back together like two or three times. Okay. And we're only on episode four of the second season. I mean, that was the one thing where, there are going to be some things in, like, relationships that maybe feel a little bit regressive. Sure.

There were moments in that where I was like, oh, this is like borderline on, like, oh, this is borderline, like, actually like a good lesson here. Yeah. Like, listen, you know, don't try to make decisions for that person. But then Sam Elliott comes in with, you ain't going to know the rules. Yeah. At least you'll just be thankful you knew what they once were.

I got to say, man, Sam Elliott could be like reading a Chinese menu backwards, and I'd be like, well, that's really profound. God, he's so fucking good. And he doesn't have to stand up in this season of TV. He fucked his hip up during making 1883. Oh, okay. Have you ever watched any Taylor Sheridan shows? Yes.

Did you watch Yellowstone at all? I didn't. I started Yellowstone, didn't really continue with it. I think, I think honestly, the only Taylor's Taylor Sheridan show that I've really seen a lot of is Sons of Anarchy before he got run over by that truck. Oh, right. Well, he's just an actor in that one. Yeah, he's just, oh, but I will say, like, I think I do really like Taylor Sheridan's movies.

Yes. Like, I know that's a conversation with you and Sean. Yeah, well, we, like, he's definitely, by being the most prolific and successful television showrunner in modern times has left his true calling, which is writing like super tight, awesome 90-minute thrillers and crime movies. Yeah. Crime movies. And like it is that thing of like, like, I'm so glad that he is employing half of the country on these television shows. But also, man, like, as like, as like, as we've talked about as like fans of the genre of like 90 minute, yeah.

Yeah, 90 minute crime thrillers. Like, couldn't you just squeeze out a couple more of those? Yeah, I mean, this episode was like kind of amazing because it was one of the first times they've brought a lot of these characters together into the same room and then made them behave themselves. Usually they'll have Billy Bob's wife and daughter, much of the first season and second season so far, have been their work, I swear to God, on my life in a senior citizens living community where they're trying to basically sexually awaken these old people by taking them to strip clubs, getting them

drunk on margaritas, just trying to make them feel again. I don't know if they're associated with a charity or why. I can't remember why they started doing this, but there will be like four scenes of life or death negotiations of oil fields and also cartel activity. And then it'll just like hard-cut Allie Larder in an old person's home being like, yeah, mama shake it! And like getting like they're doing Zumba dancing or going to a strip club. So it is definitely... I love seeing Allie Larder. It's great.

Love seeing Allie Larder. I really enjoyed the fact that he is also just making like another show where it's like the disaster of the week at an oil field. So this week we had a huge car craft. to start. You're not really supposed to know what's going on there. Okay.

I don't know. We haven't, they haven't revealed it, but the week previous, there was a chemical leak at a different plant, at a different gas field. And so, like,

you're just supposed to get the feeling that, like, there are always fires to put out at this oil company and that things are going wrong, like, in and around them. I don't know what the larger story is going to be without that.

That was the one thing as somebody who knew nothing about it. Yeah, the cold open must have been very confusing. The cold open was like, oh, shit, Chris wasn't lying said this is going to be an insane episode. There's somebody like running a tube from their exhaust. The guy was trying to take his own life. Yeah. While another guy was just like, I just happened to be

driving down this dirt road and I hit you going 80 miles per hour. But the truck driver died and the guy in the pickup truck lived, but lost an arm. Oh, so that guy with the arm was the, okay, so the pickup truck driver lived. Yeah. Ah, tough situation there. And now he's in the same hospital as the dude who's guy with the blind. Chemical leak blindness. So yeah. I'm glad I introduced this to you. I mean, it's fun. It's not like a, like, it's not like a lot of, there's not like a lot of Venn diagram overlap with my interests,

I would say broadly, but like walking away from it, I was like, I, when Sam Elliott and Billy Bob were like, you know, deserving got nothing to do with it, I was like, all right, I'm forgiven.

Let's go. Let's go. I'm kind of down. If I can give you one assignment for your holiday viewing, and then maybe you, give me a shout in January. Okay. Manzuka's already on board with this.

Mallory Rubin's already on board with this. I need you to watch Shorzie. I will. I will. Do you grow up playing hockey? No, but I grew up watching a lot of it. Okay. It'll mean a lot to you.

Okay. I got kicked out of like my high school's club hockey championship because we went to the grocery store and bought a bunch of like fish. And then whenever they scored a goal, we would throw fish on the ice. and they were like, guys, like,

this isn't like an NHL game. Like, it's actually really hard for us to clean this up. Yeah. And so we got kicked out. And also we did it. There were like 30 people there. So it was pretty clear who was doing it. Yeah, it's not like you could be like, I don't know.

He's the other guy. Yeah. Not to bore you with me getting kicked out of ice hockey games. No, please. But there was a, there was an ice hockey, like, sort of like industry ice hockey league out here that I think Bruckheimer played in? No way. Yes. And my old manager Ben had like come up as like, you know, he was like on the possibly going professional hockey track, like went to all he school to specialize in that.

Okay. Played around. And so he had a bunch of like hockey friends and they played in this thing. And we all went to like one of like, we all went to one of his games. And this is even dumber because there were like seven of us that were friends with him that we all went. went to that game. There was nobody else. And we were all banging on the glass so hard that they asked us to leave. Are you serious? This is true. This is the second I've been to not very many hockey games, but I apparently have gotten kicked out of the majority of it. That's incredible. Yeah. Tim, thank you for joining me today. Chris, what a pleasure. Wait, do we need to check in with Kaya to see, do we know yet if you're going to the Golden Globes? Has anything changed since the

beginning of this episode? Still a question. Mark. Still up in the air. I don't think you guys ever circle back on Zins and golf though. No, I mean, we talked about golf in terms of what we would do with our fantasy pluribus time. If this happened, I definitely would just start smoking again. Because I would just assume that they would have top of the line health care.

Never have to pay for a pack again. Yeah. Also get packs delivered to me via drone or person. And you could actually just like, you could just be like, look, I want you to get 10 million of the best scientific minds together

and focus specifically on lung cancer. And then I want you to take another 10 and have them focus specifically on how to get rid of the feeling you get when you smoke too much the night before. Yeah, also, like, there should be a spray that takes the smell off you so that, like, of other people. But then again, like, by that point,

there would only be nine other people in the world who had any real individual taste anyway. So you would really not have to worry about that that much. You could just be... I just want to go back to, I want to have, like, one week where I get smoking doors again. Yeah.

God, that would be fucking great. It was nice also to see in Landman. Speaking of Landman, see people smoking indoors. Smoking darts. Just ripping darts rules. Tim, thanks so much for joining me. We'll be back on Thursday with Andy. And thank you to Kaya and Kai.

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