The Watch - ‘Landman’ Shows That Taylor Sheridan’s Still Got It. Plus, Is Cable Officially Dead?

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Chris and Andy talk about the news that Comcast will be spinning off several of its cable channels, including USA and Syfy, into a separate company (1:00). Then they discuss the trailers released this week for ‘The Studio’ from Apple TV (16:44) and ‘The Pitt,’ a new ‘ER’-esque show from Max (19:57). Finally, they break down the first two episodes of ‘Landman’: the newest show from the Taylor Sheridan–verse, which despite some wonky writing, still shines (28:22). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I am an editor at the ringer.com and joining me in the studio. He's been operating under the assumption that he was Cormack McCarthy's secret muse. It's Andy Greenwald. It's crushing. You know, when you have a relationship like Cormi and I had, and you have the two Miata's that he bought me. You're really giving judge from Blood Meridian right now. So now that I know it, the resemblance is uncanny. You realize that you've been seeing me in print for years.

It's beautiful. No one, what's the percentage of people that know what we're talking about? I think it's enough to keep this podcast afloat financially and also emotionally. Yeah, Andy, it's fantastic to be back in the United States of America. Yeah, sure. I love sitting in traffic. It's great to see Kaya. We're here.

We're going to talk a lot today about a show that has struck us to our core. They dug deep and struck oil. I thought that it only had surface rights to my heart. But they fracked that water out. It turns out. We're going to talk about Landman. The third current Chevy show from Taylor Sheridan. He's got three shows in the air, Yellowstone, Lioness, and Landman.

We're going to talk about this Billy Bob Thornton show today. This Tulsa King erasure is not going to stand. Is Tulsa King actually also on? I believe so. I thought Tulsa King wrapped up its second campaign. I mean, it's out there. You see a lot of ads for it. Got a little bit of stuff for you today.

I got Comcast spinning off. It's cable biz. You know I love to get into the weeds. stuff. And then we have some trailers and some announcements of shows that we're excited about that we want to keep our eye on. You know how there's always some cover, like when during the NFL season, when they're like, how are these players going to adjust and be ready to play at 8 a.m. Munich time, when their bodies are machines that are attuned to be, you know, to Cincinnati meantime or whatever. Yeah. This is you. This is what I'm seeing right now. I last saw you.

A couple pints deep in my local pub, like 90 hours of you. ago. Look at you now. Locked in. I actually sent you, you crawled out. You were like, I got to go. I got to fly home. And I was like, not dog. No. You took a tour of the London catacombs, which isn't a thing. I know. Okay. So the Comcast thing I wanted to ask you about. MSNBC, CNBC, USA, a network you're familiar with. A network I ended.

Oxygen. E. exclamation point. sci-fi and golf channel are all rumored to be a network you care about being spun off into something not rumored it's happening it's happening so is it called spinco or is that just what they call spin-off companies when they before they come up with like a new title for it oh yeah remember when it was spulu was sports hulu yeah but i don't believe unless unless the market has moved during my 45 minutes in traffic just now i don't believe they've named okay this new conglomerate company is that anyone anyone looking at the ticker tape coming out of the machine.

I would just call this company Ladies Golf and News. No, that's confusing because it makes it sound like it's the Michelle Wee Network. News about her. Ladies Golf. Michelle Wee, Red Carpet Looks. Ladies Golf. Ladies Golf News. Michelle Wee's stock portfolio.

Michelle Wee's resistance tweets. We've recently been, as I've said on this podcast, I've been watching Parks and Rec with my children. And really one of the best low-key, late-season. and beats is when Leslie goes to Jeremy Jam's house. Yeah. And all the walls are covered in posters and frame pictures of Michelle Wee.

And he says, I just like her game. Hey, I was going to say, I listened to you and Sean and you guys high-fiving each other about not watching television. Did you enjoy that? Yeah. Do you ever say to your daughters, we're watching something for Chris now?

Do you ever say to your daughters? How do you look them in the eye? No, the thing that they say now is, you can watch whatever you want when you're in London, Dad. Oh, yeah. Actually, but that's not true. There's a lot of rights issues. There are a ton.

Thank you for understanding my struggle. You want to talk about this news. There's two things. One, this is very Kaya-coded news, is that they're keeping Bravo as the iron lung of peacock. They've got to keep the housewives and below deck and everything. That's one of the major drivers, I think, to Peacock, as Kaya can attest. As frankly as I can attest.

And in his wake-up newsletter from the anchor Sean McNulty suggested that there could be some M&A on the horizon. I know people have suggested the incoming Trump administration may be more open to mergers and acquisitions passing through. So with Paramount likely to look to get off some of its cable properties, you've got channels like BET or MTV that could be open. And who knows what enterprising businessman might say. I'm going long on cable. I'm getting into this business. That's interesting to me. So basically, the big picture is

they were like, in order for the corporate health of this organization, Scheinhartwig, NBC Comcast Universal, we need to jettison the parts that aren't growth industries anymore. And that's essentially, that's cable. But funnily enough, they are still profitable. They're just not growth.

Exactly. And everything is now growth. This morning, I was listening to, a ringer podcast called The Town featuring an up-and-coming sports journalist William Simmons and the point that Matt Bellany and Bill made that I thought was interesting was suggesting that there was

some sort of 4D chess going on here that also included the recent NBA rights deal that basically that by cutting off Turner sports at the knees and stealing the basketball package it devalued the entire business the Turner cable networks

which might leave them open for consolidation or purchase or to be picked off by this company, which leads to what your point is, is someone going to be like, I'm going to buy this distressed asset and find a way to keep it profitable? That's kind of interesting. I genuinely have no idea what any of this means for the side of the business that we normally cover. I don't even really understand what it means for the side of the business that we don't in the sense that like a lot of these networks were, I mean, as far as integration goes, fairly healthily integrated into the mother. Yeah, I mean, they were all pumping, you know, and have all kind of, like, had their

successes and failures over the last couple years. But particularly, like, I don't understand, like, they're keeping the NBC, the broadcast network, which is a huge, huge important. They just got NBA rights, and now they also have Sunday Nighting Football is probably the most popular show in America. Yes, they also have a news division. The news division was very, very, very, very, very integrated into MSNBC as well. And now MSNBC, well, in the sense that, like, they're drawing from the same pool.

And, like, you could have anchors appear on both shows or whatever. I guess that's fine in the sense that, like, your personal doctor, the doctor who owns the LA Times believes very important, it's very important to separate news and opinion. So maybe that's what's going to happen now. You know, NBC is going to be just the facts, ma'am. And MSNBC is just going to be people I went to college with crying, which is fine. So maybe that works.

I don't know. There's going to be a lot more crazy things. As weird as it is to say, like we've been talking for a year or two years about how so much of the industry is paralyzed and fear-driven, but a lot of it is because of the uncertainty of what shoes will drop next.

Will there be consolidation? Will there be mergers? Well, who knows what will happen? And, like, weird shit is going to continue to happen. Inside the NBA, moving essentially, or being traded from TNT to ESPN, makes a lot of sense. But still being produced by Turner.

It makes a ton of sense. They're produced out of Atlanta and everything. But my feeble, you know, old school mind couldn't comprehend that as an option. Yeah. So there is going to, you know, you're going to do well in this new era, I think, because you're more of a disruptor in terms of your thinking. You're not as, you know, as a parochial as I am. But I truly don't know what it means. I think that if the, if like sci-fi USA and all those cable channels had been more closely integrated into Peacock from the.

the beginning, we wouldn't be here. But they were committed to keeping them as separate entities. The roadmap would have been to try and make those verticals. And I think Warner is trying to do the same thing where they've got the discovery side of the Macs app that you can kind of get into Magnolia and you get into HGTV. But that's why they're keeping Bravo. Yes. I mean, not only to keep Kai happy.

But I mean, like theoretically, there must have been, you could have made sci-fi into some kind of like genre hub on, you know, Peacock. Exactly. I think that would have required a lot more vision and a lot more library. acquisition. Yeah. And library retention, because a lot of stuff has been sold off. I think that they didn't, NBC Universal did not treat its cable networks with the same disdain

that Viacom famously did, just letting Comedy Central and MTV basically wither and die on the vine. But the essential problem remained the same in terms of can you produce content and program for a 24-hour channel when all of your resources are being split in other directions? And the answer obviously was no, right? Like they had library shows, they had library movies, but, you know, I think USA had a pretty good original series in 2020. They have not made that many original series since then. And all that is, you know, by some level of corporate choice, the programming team was focused on Peacock Originals. And that's what they'll continue to do.

Let's talk about some shows that we're excited for. You don't like to talk in mergies and acts? Well, you know what I was going to do is I was going to ask you if you could have your current, this is a prompt that I had had for you, but then I was kind of like, this is sort of a silly question because, As someone who spends probably two weeks a year watching cable television at maximum volume with my mother, I can assure you that it is an absolutely soul-killing experience. The cumulative experience of having a TV on all day long will make you want to throw yourself in front of a bus. And I've thought about it multiple times when like the 75th Dick Pill Diabetes ad is on and I'm still like trying. And you're still working your way through your first?

batch that you'd ordered. You're like, don't sell me, I'm sold. Is that the vibe? Yeah. My diabetes is cured. Just waiting for the second half to kick in. I don't know what you're trying to save here is my point. But I was going to ask you if you could choose any current cable channel to swoop in,

buy it for pennies on the dollar, take the brand, revive some of its core great, great properties, and make a go of it. it even in this contemporary moment? If I ask you that, what do you say? It's the Viacom networks. I mean, I think MTV and Comedy Central were legacy brands, but also incredibly valuable brands that represented the thing that they aspired to contain, right?

Like, MTV was a definitive brand for music and repository of music and place people went for music and music news and all of the attendant, cool, cultural, youthful things that we used to be a part of, but that also, you know, are associated with music. Yeah. And they just squandered that. They completely fumbled that bag. And similarly, Comedy Central proved in the Kent Alterman era, like of now almost 15 years ago,

that, you know, there is a lot of, as Billy Bob would say, there's a lot, a lot to mine here. You know? And, like, the fact that 15 years ago, it seemed like one era of that network was done. And then he and his team went out and got us key and peel and work a haul. and Detroiters and Broad City, Kroll Show. Where's the next generation of those shows going? I can't believe.

Now you're trying to cast yourself as a Detroiters day one? No, I am just trying to admit. Look, I'm very, very comfortable admitting my mistakes and my blind spots. If we buy the Viacom network portfolio, do we just install ourselves as host of 106 in Park? Oh, I mean, I thought you were going to say 120 minutes, but what if we combined them? It was 120 minutes in Park.

Yeah. And it was just the stuff that we listened to. us in 1998. Here's a gangster girls' mixtape. Here's a gangster girls' mix tape and also a guided by voices out tape. That would be great for us. Yeah, it's insane to me

that they just squandered those, not just those brands, those networks, but just gave it all away to YouTube and TikTok and wherever else music and comedy exist today. It's a bummer. Yeah, I think that this era is over. I just think that viewer behaviors changed so profoundly.

The proposition of cable television, is so expensive and so unsatisfying and a customer why would you I don't know even now why I have it I have it because I think I need live sports but almost all live sports are basically available through online streaming apps at this point I can have so much of a better experience but I just am like that spectrum just has me in the headlock I don't have to tell you I switched to YouTube TV I made it six days being like I don't need to watch things that are on television I mean clearly I don't think I need to, but I mean like sports, basically. An MSNBC. MNBC. I just got to see how my old pals are doing. The other thing I would say is not everything that I think is going to happen

in the next months and years is going to be like absolutely earth-shattering or cause you to shake your head, but there is just more of a porous border between things. And we noted it when HBO started licensing content to Netflix. And now all these people are licensing content to Netflix again, but I got an email the other day that was directly tailored to me that was like criterion collection licensing, most, you know, some of its library to Max. No, they re-up the contract. It already is available on Max. A lot of it is, or a chunk of it is.

But that's just like these borders are getting more porous as the idea of, yeah, everyone having their separate fiefdoms does not. Unless you're a U.X guy like me and you have real preferences, you know? Yeah, and you love Prime. that was your wildest take ever. It's so fucking bad. In 12 years. Kai, can you come in on this?

Like my current number one UX issue is Peacock-based. Okay. Which is, it's a very sensitive trigger where I'm like, yes, I would like to move to the next episode of Parks and Rec. And it's just like, would you like to watch these clips from unrelated shows? Yeah. It just slides all over the place. I hate how Peacock, instead of when it's an episode end, sending. me to like what I've already been watching.

They send me to like a random show that I have like no interest in. What's that show? Is it about ladies golf? You'd be surprised. It's like a random episode of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Oh. How is your Algo these days since from what the cloud understands about you, you only watch zombie shows and below deck?

It is really funny. And Taylor Sheridan shows. And Taylor Sheridan shows now. I haven't re-uped my Paramounts subscription yet. I'm waiting for a few more. You're waiting for some, for us to weigh in on Landman. Also, call in for my accounts. I'm ready.

I'm excited to watch that. But it is funny because I only recently just got my own personal Netflix subscription. Oh, yeah. And so that erased, like, all of my past watching history. And so it's real weird on my Netflix right now. I get that too. And I go back in my mom, I look at my mom's Netflix. And I'm like, where are my international drug dealing shows?

From a program. You guys remember, I'm still obsessed to this, that I never change back my username on Netflix. It's just like, dad. So yesterday, no, no. Yesterday I got an email that said, Daddy, don't forget to finish Detroiters. I won't. Thank you, AI, Mommy.

I won't. A couple of shows that are gotten trailers or announcements over the last couple of days that I wanted to shout out. There is an absolute title wave of Apple television coming in the next 15 months. It's so crazy. It actually, there is an argument

and a separate conversation to have of Apple's effort to just completely recreate the ecosystem that we just described as dying. By putting on 100 shows a year. I have no idea, honestly, what the number is at this point, but it's starting to get outrageous. There's a bunch of stuff that's on right now that we haven't touched on, like Bad Sisters and Silo.

S2 and S2. Yeah. But the thing I wanted to mention to you was, A, there was a trailer for a new Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg show called The Studio. Yeah, I want to talk about that. Straight up, never heard of. Had never heard of this.

I was just like, they just made a show that's coming out in the spring. I think after Severance, and it looks like Catherine Hahn is in it. It looks again. And Catherine O'Hara. And a ton of cameos. And Brian Cranston. And it actually, like, I would, when I first read the logline for this movie,

which is about Seth Rogen's character becoming, sorry, show, Seth Rogen's character becoming the president of a fictional studio. Fictional movie studio. I was like, oh, it fooled me 35 times. I was like, maybe this will be like Seth Rogen's version of the player. Like a darkly satirical. satirical takedown of the industry, you know. And it looks like, honestly, like a pretty affirmative, like,

guy who's got, like, gets the top of the mountain, gets his dream job, but is also, like, breaking inside and also everything around him is so hard to keep together. And he talks to a therapist and just loves movies and wants to keep making them. You can't really tell a lot from a trailer. But I was a little bit surprised by the tone. I, first of all, this is how crazy Apple TV is. I saw a headline that said, you know, Seth Rogen.

comedy Apple trailer. And I was like, oh, Platonic Season 2, something that just felt inevitable because they just renew stuff. It is not that. I had never heard of the show.

I am pretty excited for it. I think tone is probably everything. I feel like you're right, that those of us have a certain demographic, when we hear the log line, we definitely think the player. It made me think of one of my favorite Don Carpenter novels,

this novel called Turnaround, which is about a studio executive. who loves movies, but they don't love them back. I highly recommend that book. But that there would be some darkness to it. And then there still might be. It does feel a little bit that this, from the trailer that there might be, I'm not saying this is Seth Rogen's Barry.

Sure. But what if it was a little bit? Yeah, that would be cool. I mean, I think that like, there's a shot in the trailer where he's talking to Catherine O'Hara somewhere up in Griffith Park overlooking the city and there's just a rainbow in the background. And that is such a beautiful statement shot that made me think that maybe the show isn't as wedded to

reality. Reality. Or the type of comedic logic that he, that Seth Rogen usually traffics in. I'm not ready, I'm not saying I want him to be a dramatic actor, although he was pretty good in the fableman's. I just feel like I'm ready for his very good. He was really good at Steve Jobs. Underrated movie. You and I like that movie. I love that movie. It's really good. Another trailer that dropped is a program on the Max Network.

which is a show called The Pit. We've discussed this. We haven't actually talked about the legal proceedings surrounding this show, which is really fascinating. But the pit is from John Wells, who obviously brought us ER, worked on, it brought us Shameless,

the American version of Shameless, and also came in and was the closer on West Wing when Aaron Sorkin stopped after season five or six or whatever. After season four. Season four. He is reunited with ER star, Noah Wiley. Yeah.

But crucial, and this is a show about an emergency room, but crucially, this is not an ER legacy sequel or legacy show. Although it was designed to be, wasn't it? Or are they legally not saying this? Isn't it? That's not what this is. Uh-huh.

And then you watch the trailer and you feel like you were fucking back in 1993 and Dr. Mark Green just cleared your trachea. You know what I mean? Doug Ross, stare into my eyes and fix my fucking arm. I feel like I'm not, I haven't dug into the paperwork here. My memory was that this was 100% shadow developed as an ER. They are like, legally.

Michael Crichton, this is not that. That's why. Yes. That's why. Because the estate of your man, Michael Crichton, wasn't so into that. But basically it is. I think they're like, that's cool, but you must cut the check. We would like to build a third actual Jurassic Park on the island that we own from...

Elon Nublar needs to get them. Do you think the Crichton estate is just like, these days they're going to come back and ask about disclosure and rising sun? The culture's shifting. We're going to make a whole prestige series about how sometimes the men get harassed. You joke, but like after disclaimer, disclosure is right around the corner, man. Sometimes men get harassed. Sometimes the Japanese are unfeeling.

Those were some fire takes. in the 90s. Just. You never do rising sun on the rewatchables, did you? No, we did not. Maybe after January 20th, there'll be time to revisit some of this stuff.

Anyway. Oh, and we're unchackled. We're just like finally free to speak our minds of the rewatchables. You're no longer shadow band. JMO could just flourish. I, this is a pretty good trailer, man.

Yeah, man. No, O'I. Just being like, I did not know this, the structure of the season, 15 episodes in the first season, 15 hours, one single shift at an ER, which ER, if you can,

the series ER, if you can even begin to sort of sum up, it's the enormity with which that hit everybody's lives where it was just like, this is what I do on Thursdays, is I like watch people bleed out for 45 minutes with Ford commercials. And it's the most mesmerizing, amazing thing I've ever seen. Do you remember how good we at it?

It wasn't just that we did that. We did that after watching Friends in Seinfeld. Yeah. And Caroline in the City or whatever. You could take a little break, walk around the block then. Were you a takesman back then and just walk into school?

Actually, Caroline in the city is really... The opposite. The best comedy on the... I was worse. I was like, why can NBC solve its Thursday at 930 problem? Veronica's closet is another overpriced retread. I did send this to you.

And they were like, dude, it's your turn to kick. For real. I did send this to you at John that I did find issues of my high school newspaper where I was the film critic. Yeah, I saw that. I'm realizing now that I was just cosplaying as my father responding probably to the reviews your dad wrote. And I was like, Adam's family's values is a triviality, but an entertaining one. It's like 15. Yeah.

What a dick. My favorite thing speaking of rewatchables is when like there's some random, like, Ebert Pivots for Porkies, you know, Ebert's just like, oh, yeah, you know what, this is pretty good. He's got to be him. Yeah. So the pit looks incredible. I think that's coming later, like in the spring. You're looking at me.

Like, you didn't just watch the trailer. Well, I didn't see a date. Did you? Did I miss that? Can I make a comment while you look to see if you missed the date, which is I really, really respect Noah Wiley for this. And I'm happy to see him taking on. like the more grizzled Mark Green role as opposed to, what was his name on the show?

John Carter. Carter from Mars. He wasn't from Mars. In the sense that I do think some actors to their detriment run from what they're good at because they don't want to be typecast or they're tired of doing it.

He played that role for like 11 years. But I'm ready to say that I know Wiley ought to be to emergency room doctors as Timothy Oliphant is to Marshalls. Just like, you're really good at this. You're allowed to play them anytime you want. That's what we want. Stop trying to keep it from it from.

We should go back and CGI him into movies. Like, he should be the guy who sutures up Val Kilmer's shoulder and he... He should be... Instead of Jeremy Pivin. He should have the Julian Moore role in the fugitive. Yeah. Or he's just like, you could see that there was a Noah Wiley Harrison Ford romance that they just cut for time.

But it would have been memorable. Last thing we wanted to shout out was the first images from an Apple show called dope thieves. That's all we need. Dope thief. Dope thief. And it stars Wagner Mora and Brian Tyree head. It is about ne'er-do-well Philadelphians who poses DEA agents and rob stash houses, but then get pulled into an East Coast cartel situation.

And if they're, you know, remember what was the name of the guy from Oregon who ran Steve? Steve Prefontein? Yeah, remember there's two Prefontein movies? Without Limits and Prefontein. We have two Philly crime sagas coming, and I couldn't be happier, honestly. Sometimes the universe pivots towards us. Because there's this one, and there's the Brad Engels being Mark Ruff. which is called a task, I believe.

And that's wrapped in coming next year. And it's just like, just feed us more. Yeah. Give us more. The fact that Apple had one also starring my favorite actor in the Eternals, Brian Tyree Henry. He is my favorite actor, but you can be shit about that. It's fantastic. It's fantastic.

There's one concern I have. Okay. The shot, the promo image they have of Brian. Tyree Henry and Wagoner Mawking. It looks cool. It looks authentic to a point. I'm worried that Mora is wearing a hat with no insignia. Oh.

And that is to me the reddest of red flags is when they just don't just be like this dude would have a Philly's hat. You know? Yes. So I can't tell. The image itself is not, maybe I didn't download into Photoshop and zoom in enough. But if this is just like random hat guy, I'm going to be mad. I think that it is very, very hard for people in Los Angeles, a city that does have, like, rabid fans.

Well, yeah. His Dodgers and Lakers fans are real. But this city is so big, and so many people are from so many places that you just kind of don't see that. But then you go home to Philly. And people just wear that as, like, that's what they wear. To work. People are just dressed as the Philly fanatic.

Just like, I got a street pretzel from Gritty. that's really part of daily life and I agree. I can't wait any longer. I need to talk about land man. Can I just, do you think should we offer our services though as like Philadelphia consultants? Consultants be like,

these old guys moved away 30 years ago, but they're willing to just like, John up your John. I think that the Philly set series Renaissance will be short-lived. You think? No, nothing against it. It's just like, clearly Hollywood is not

looking at Philadelphia as this cosmopolitan culinary destination yet, you know, so like it's not like the bear is going to get moved to Philly. The restaurants are good. I love the restaurants of Philly, but I just don't think that they're going to you know, like, if they want to put the bear in bad brother, I'm down, but like... Do you think that the...

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Holy fucking shit. Holy shit, dude. Every time I'm like, maybe Taylor's stretched too thin. You know what I mean? maybe this thing's come to the end of the road. I don't feel that way now, man. Landman is based on a Texas monthly podcast called Boomtown.

A very, very good podcast created by Taylor. And the series is created by Taylor Sheridan and Christian Wallace, who son worked for Texas Monthly, did the Boomtown podcast. Sheridan is the sole credited writer on the first season. And as with the new season of Lioness, he directed the first two episodes.

It's so crazy. It's set in the Permian Basin of West Texas in towns like Odessa and Midland. that will ring some bells for our Friday Night's heads out there. We didn't really talk about the Friday Night's reboot, by the way. I'll believe when I see it. Okay. Landman stars Billy Bob Thornton as Tommy Norris,

the fixer-in-chief of M-Tex, aka a landman, his son Cooper, has joined this company as a worm or like a low man on a roughneck crew. His daughter Ainslie? Get ready. Sweet Ainslie. Sweet Innocent Angel, 35-year-old Ainslie.

She is just a professional. found us all done good taste, honestly, like the whole plot line. I just want to say this show, so far doesn't actually have like a villain or like a, like much of a plot engine.

I mean, I guess we're kind of mooseing along. The cast is incredible. Allie Larder, John Hamm, Comfior, Michael Pena. Andy Garcia is coming later in the season. It's nuts. There's a bunch of Taylor Sheridan,

um, rep theater people like Robin Lively, James Jordan and a bunch of other folks. But this new series is kind of like being posited as Yellowstone, but with oil instead of cows. I would say that to me, he was much closer to Kingstown in terms of its cynicism. And it's kind of, this is an industry that is a necessary evil. And the main character is the person who sometimes reluctantly keeps that industry alive.

What did you think of the first two episodes, Andy Greenwald? I think they broke me. Yeah, dog. This is the first Taylor Sheridan show that I can get with a little bit. Now, it is bat shit insane. Yeah. I think this is the one where you're going to be like, oh, I get it now. Well, I have a couple brain bombs to drop on you about my Taylor Sheridan Awakening.

They just injected that the L-Dopa I took to understand. stand the show that L stands for Landman. But I'll say that just like that started like 100,000 feet above the Permian Basin. In a private plane? In a private plane filled with cocaine that I stole? Question mark.

This is such a rich text for a TV show. This is such a fascinating, deep, complicated, collision-filled world. And it is so ripe for a TV show. And there are elements to this that, like, I mean this genuinely, like the best of all transport me to something else television programs. There is a, I'm not saying the show is accurate. I have no way of knowing. It doesn't matter. It feels real.

There is some lived in detail, like just the line of cars getting coffee. If you really get coffee from women in bikinis pre-dawn before working your shift, let me know. But that is a choice and a The houses that the roughnecks live in, the little, like, propped up, like, division that they've put up in the field somewhere. The idea of, like, working the patch being, like, the cleanest way to make a good salary if you don't have, like, higher education and stuff. It's just, like, all these, like, little details and the upstairs, downstairs stuff. Class, culture, capitalism, the three Cs. It is really, really ripe. And the show is very smartly built around a motherfucker of a star performance.

Billy Bob Thornton has been playing basically versions of this role his whole life, and this is incredibly comfortable for him. He is magnetic. He's charismatic. He is funny. He is beat to shit in all the best ways. And it is, again, this is something that Sheridan just does and understands in his bones

is he makes these shows that are like nominally contemporary and prestige and the character's curse and whatever. But the idea of like a swaggering guy who just drives from crisis to crisis delivering monologues about how one should live. It's roughneck Michael Clayton.

It is. And he fixes every situation and, you know, literally cuts off part of his own finger because some cuck doctor is like, I want to take you to a specialist to save your finger. He's like, I ain't getting 12 surgeries to fuck it. I mean, it's outrageous.

You know? Right. Like, I mean, it is really, really compelling. And then it is, also crazy. Yeah, so the first 33 minutes of this show, I think about, is Billy Bob Thornton has been kidnapped by the cartel, but then talks his way out of it by leveling with the cartel leader. Then there is a plane crashing, no, a plane, a truck crashes into a semi- A train lands on a highway, a private road. Yeah, and there's like a cocaine deal going on,

but a tractor trailer smashes in to the plane and the delivery van of cocaine, exploding, sending cocaine or heroin everywhere, burning up bodies, burning men literally running across the screen. That is the thing that all stunt men ask if they can do. Like, first day with the stunties. Honestly, I haven't seen it since the Wax California video. That's what I'm saying. You don't really get a lot of burning guys.

They're like, what can you do in this? I can ride a motorcycle. I can fall off of a building. I could run and stagger around while lit on fire. But the thing is, is that like, I actually think that, like, I missed fire because, like, a lot of fire, now is fake and shows to fire.

Wow, this is an elemental. Okay. So it starts with these two very electrifying scenes and then slips into what you're saying. Billy Bob Thornton, I think it's like

the whole idea is that for most of the working week, you know, everybody else has a Monday through Friday job, but for oil business, it's like you pump, pump, so there is no such thing as like a weekend.

Your weekend is like Wednesday. Yeah, and it's always 5 o'clock or 8 a.m. You're always drinking beer or coffee or both. We have to talk about the Mikhailobleau-Bultra part of this. I was trying to front-load the good stuff before get to the fact that this is, for a TV show, this is the best Miklob Ultra commercial I've ever seen. I seriously almost asked my wife if I could somehow get a picture of Miklob Ultra.

Did you notice in the scene when recovering alcoholic Billy Bob Thorne? He's not recovering. He's just like, doesn't drink alcohol. He's like, I only drink Miclobe Ultra, so he gets his fourth bottle. But did you notice that it's also on tap? Yes. She brings him a pitcher when he buys the rights from that rancher. So for 35 minutes, this show is just like, maybe this is the best show ever made.

Continue. And then Ainsley comes in. Okay. So there's this teenage daughter character. Let me find out who plays this. I'm sorry. I want to give her credit. Oh, no, I've got it.

Her name is Michelle Randolph. Okay. She is 27. 27 years young. Yeah. And I mean this respectfully. She's playing a 17-year-old, hopefully. She does, she looks like she's...

I understand what you're trying to say. I'm trying to be polite. Yeah. And maybe it's good that they did not pretend that this was a teenager, that this is just an adult woman. Sorry, this is really random, but her sister won Colton season of The Bachelor. Or Bachelor.

What? Just a little factoid for you. I don't know what any of that means. Was she on the, like, family visit? it? Oh gosh. Yeah, I think so. But I think this is like her first, I think before this, she was just like an influencer. Well, okay. Well, she continues to influence all of the landmen. So let's talk about this. It's pretty clear. Yeah. Allie Larder, who, again, is in two episodes of television, Allie Larder, who just is doing great. Yeah. Is only on FaceTime. Yes. The entirety of her performance,

he's just contained within the screen. He's heard of pool in Cabo. And she just shows up and she yells at Billy Bob. No, they flirt. She yells at him and then she's like, why don't you want to fuck me? Should I come there? And he's just like, yeah.

And she's like, no, I can't come there. That's the problem with my marriage hangs up. And he's like, women. Like, that's the scene, right? Well, and then it gets better because you're like, oh, okay. Like, this is cool. They go to, like, it's, Ainsley shows up from, I don't know, where do they live in Fort Worth or something like that? And they fly in a private jet.

It's her and her boyfriend, Dakota Loving, who is a top 50 high school football recruit. And he has a jacket that has his last name embroidered on the back of it. And there's a fucking incredible moment with this guy where he's talking about how he's going to Alabama. And Nick Sabin is going to help Ainsley get into Alabama with him. and Billy Bob's character because I was like, oh, I wonder if this is taking place in a reality, either pre-Nick Saven's retirement or in a world,

an alternative reality, where Nick Saven doesn't retire once NIL comes in. And instead, Pilly Bob's like, you know Nick Saven retired, right? And the guy's like, uh, uh. Briefly, I thought this was a world where Nick Saven had been blipped by Thanos. Yes. And then picked up again five years later.

So he was still rejuvenated and youthful. Oh, you think Landman is part of the MCU? I'm sorry, you don't? What made you think it wasn't? Did you happen to write down the line that Ainsley shares with her father when he asks, are you having sex with Dakota? Well, thank you for asking me that. As this podcast resident Girl Dad, I watched with interest.

I can't say I pulled out my notes app to take it down, but if I may, and I know that some people do listen to this podcast driving with their children, and stop doing that? Earmuffs. Earmuffs. Her response in public to her father is that she does not allow him to have penetrative sex with her, but that she does allow him to, if I may, ejaculate all over her body, anywhere else that he chooses. Yeah, and he's like, I need a Dr. Pepper. And then he says, I need a Dr. Pepper. And then he goes to the concessions and asks for a Dr. Pepper,

and then playfully asks if she has bourbon back there. And the child working retail is like, I've got weed gummies, sir, if you'd like some. Now, this was, you know, eyebrow-singing stuff. And it just continues for the next two episodes where every man is like, I'm trying not to look at your teenage daughter and I'm trying to conceal my erections. And like, yes. And I can't help it. Now that she's procured Crisco from the kitchen, I must see what she,

what strange alchemy she is performing out by the pool. It's calm fewer. With this shortening. It's like a great actor. Yeah. And he's just like, ah, I see she is applying it to her bikini areas. Time to go take another cold shower. The other thing about it is that while he's parenting,

his main mode of parenting is don't have sex with your boyfriend. Get in bed with me. Just sleep with me. And then when his ex-wife is like, are you thinking about me? Basically like, hey, Billy Bob, you jerking? it today. And he's like... With your nine fingers?

With your nine and a half fingers? And he's like, no, I shouldn't because our daughter is in bed with me. And she's like, oh, okay, cool. And then he's like, oh, just post-script. Our son is in the emergency room. And she's like, God damn it. And he's like, got to go. Don't have to listen to your harpy talk anymore, female.

And then 24 hours later, she's like, any news about our emergency room bound son, and he's like, he's going to make it. So the reason why... It's fucking Cooper, who's played by Jacob Laughlin, is really, really good. He's really good. A lot of good actors. Cooper is like the prodigal son. He's Billy Bob's son.

He was at Texas Tech. He drops out. He wants to become a land man like his dad, but he also wants to get his own piece of the pie. He's like, I want to make a big in the oil business. I want to learn from the ground up. You know what he says? I don't need to know any more geology, dad. I'm not going to teach it.

I'm not going to teach it. Yeah. Okay. Makes sense. to make a living as an academic. Hey, you have no control over where you go. No control. Then you get into school and what if Ron DeSantis says you can't teach this?

Actually, yeah, exactly. Our children can't know about rock. So he, this kid, this young man, joins a roughneck crew. And I got to admit, you know, it's like, I really like surprised myself sometimes. You'd think by this point I could spot him coming from a mile away. Taylor Sheridan plot twists, but also just like TV tropes. and this entire time Michael Pena and his brother

I can't believe you didn't see this guy and his younger was one of them is I can't remember how the family is divided but it's basically like an entire family what the show wants you to know is that they're Mexicans yes and that's what the show is communicating are teaching him Spanish and I'm just like this is beautiful and then they're like this is

Cardi Asada have a taco watch out for that hot sauce and it's like I was like this is deeply moving intergeneration you like dummy and I was like why I wonder how this first episode is going to end. From the minute Michael Pena showed up as the other roughneck,

but didn't show up in the credits. This is the same thing that happened with Kyle Chandler in Kingston. I was like, this was... Well, I was like, yeah, man, Kyle Chandler's back on my TV screen. This was the most egregious McBain from the Simpson scene I've ever seen, where Michael Paine is like, it's important that you know the backstory of these three ombrés with you. We all have families whom we love,

and we work very hard for them. It would be a shame should anything happen to one of us, let alone all three of us. And at the end of the episode, they get incinerated. And it was shot? Yeah. It was shot like the end of Godfather. It was pretty clear what was coming. Anyway, that's the end of the first episode.

The second episode, we get a little bit more of the other main attraction for this show for me. Okay. I did just, okay, I'll let you cook for a second. Go ahead. My cooking is that the ham is finally ready. that the not fucking around crew has checked in for the fucking session. Do you think,

so you've seen more Sheridan shows than I have. So it does seem like, I see more Sheridan shows than Taylor Sheridan. It's really true. Do you think that, like, so I think part of the appeal, right, is he gets people to do these shows,

but their commitments vary. Like Allie Larger, they just filmed literally on an iPhone, maybe all in one day. Who knows if we'll ever see her, I think that, I will say this. Yeah.

And I will say this even, even for Ainsley. Is that, he can surprise you. And so I think that he will often introduce characters where you're just like, what the fuck? Like, why is this? Why did Diane Weist do this?

And then you're like, oh, oh, I see now. You know what I mean? Like eventually, like he plays the long game sometimes. Kind of like Cape Blanchet in episode seven of disclaimer. There is a seventh episode? I thought it was only six. Did you not watch the finale? No, I honestly didn't.

Yeah, there's a seventh, buddy. I know what happens, though, you know? Yeah, but you didn't feel it. You did? Uh... So, yes. I did not care for that show, so I did not watch the finale. I knew you had it.

Yeah, I had it in the bag. John Ham is on the show. Yes. And John Ham largely spends two episodes. His name is... Monty. Monty. I believe Monty Miller.

I think it's Monty Money Man. Monty Money Bags. And... Monopoly Man. He is the head of the oil company. I take it. And what he does is he gets phone calls. Yes, he does.

And he says, hold on, I got to go somewhere quieter. And he's either at a TCU track meet or he's at a charity dinner where he's just standing in a skyscraper or he's in a steakhouse. He's at his mansion. He basically walks to another part of that building

and has a fucking awesome phone call with Billy Bob. But Chris, you're really bearing the lead. Every step of his walk to someplace quiet is meticulously catalogues like it's a Frederick Wiseman documentary. Like, the one of the end Max Olfuz. He's like, we got to get the entire fucking track.

We need you to understand that he's in one room of this charity dinner and he has to walk through multiple rooms to get quiet. He walks for so long. But it's so good. It's so good. Was I crazy that when he got the phone call about the explosion?

Yeah, he was watching Demi Moore swim. Right. But was I crazy that he then hurled his eye phone into the woods? Yeah. But minutes later, he has another one. He's Monty Miller. He probably has 15 iPhones at the ready.

But do you think that those woods are full of outdated iPhones? And like the bears are using them to like build rudimentary structures now? Yeah. That would be really funny. These bears know how to text. But also, just to be clear, the bears have become self-aware. That's where all the texts that say, hey, that I've been getting recently. They're all just from the Texan bears.

I feel like Act Blue sold my number. Like, I don't know what happened. Yeah. Because they correspond to it. It's like as soon as I started getting like, Christopher, will you donate five dollars to save the world? It's also been like a lot of like, want to have dinner? Yeah, it's act blue or work blue, go blue. It's just that there was the one inconsistency I bumped on was that Monty is like so upset about the incineration of these men.

And then he's like, call me as soon as you find out anything happens. And then immediately hurls the phone into. the woods. What if Billy Bob called? He had to walk somewhere. Maybe you had to walk in the woods. Yeah. Um, this, this whole thing is just, I think you, you nailed it when you were like, they have found a perfect marriage between like, writer who can, who can squeeze melodrama out of anything, but giving him such a rich text of the oil industry from top to bottom, from, uh, and this is what he does with Yellowstone. So I do understand the comparison. It's like, Yellowstone is everything from the newest of new ranch hands to the, like,

like biggest of big, the governor, the casino at magnates. Like, he's just really good at doing that spectrum kind of show. I mean, I got to be honest. Like, I understand that only he could have pulled the show off. So it is not really useful. It's not just a good use of anyone's time to be like, if only. But there is so much promise and so much richness in this world in this text that sometimes I wish there was someone maybe with a little bit different perspective.

with a voice in the creative room. Well, like someone who was worried about environmentalism? No, thank you. When you look at me, do you just see like an act blue alert? You don't need to see my face anymore? No, the opposite. I really, really like the rapacious morals of this show. Okay.

I think that's very consistent and interesting. I do not want someone coming in, like the lawyer character, you know, and being like, I figured I would be objectified. And this is why I carry my handbag. Like no human who's ever held a bag before. No, I don't want any like coastal perspective at all. I just want a little more, I mean, the Friday Night Lights thing of like, let's just, let's chill out for a second. Like when he goes to deliver the relay race of grief, you know, because he, that's on his plate too to like look at these women in the eye and say that the men are never coming home.

Look, the women on this show through two episodes do one of two things. They're either grieving or they're greasing. You know, like that's pretty much it. But I can't wait. What happens when Ainsley has to grieve? Right, right. Will she slide off of the church pew? What if Dakota gets a paralyzing industry a la Jason Street?

You know, and then he's like, I'm moving in. Will you take me back? All I can do is snuggle now. Is that okay? No, I'm just saying that there's just moments. Okay, look, so I can't pretend I wasn't broken by this show. Okay, I will watch more of this show. Thank you.

he got me. But I did have a different insight into it, and it's not just the fact that this show is just nakedly a Miklob Ultra Commercial, or that, you know, as you guys know, I'm a proud member of the ad-supported tier of Paramount. So not only did I watch two hours of the show, they were fully two hours. Most of the commercials were for the American Petroleum Institute.

Yeah. So the oil industry is fueling this show, literally. Yeah, but like, isn't that like the hypocrisy of it is like would be like for us to be like well I can't participate yeah I am I am part of this culture of decay in capitalism I'm not pretending I'm above it

what I was appreciating was wait let me just tangent briefly you remember that when there was all the talk about before the streaming wars were effectively settled that Netflix won there was some talk about how one of the advantages Disney had was it's like deep bench of

intellectual property and characters but also other ways to raise revenue, whether it's, you know, toys, theme parks, cruises. And one thing Netflix had to do, according to the quants was basically... Make squid game an actual show. Yes, or make squid game toys. And that's why when you and I are walking the West End in London, there's a Stranger Things stage play. And it's going to come to New York eventually. They're going to keep trying to build their other revenues streams. They could build Hawkins if they wanted to and have like a Stranger Things amusement park. The reason I bring that up is because Taylor Sheridan seems to understand this.

very, very much. Better than anyone. And I don't think I fully appreciated the extent of his reach. It's not just that he has created pocket tourist industries in the parts of the country that he films these shows.

It's not just that he has a circular like Ouroboros of profit where he buys land and ranches and then rents land from his ranches to film his own shows in his ranches and breeds the horses that they ride on Yellowstone. But that he also, I didn't know that he, the beef

that he raises at the four sixes. And there was a big four sixes sign on the wall of the bar on lemon. The patch cafe. The patch cafe. It's a great little invention. It's like having these people constantly be at a bar like that. Smart. It's just smart TV construction.

But the beef goes to a theme restaurant basically for Taylor Sheridan shows that exists in Las Vegas. Not surprising. I would also say that this is like much like Yellowstone, you can tell that they I thought the music was quite lovely in parts of this, like the Andrew Lachington score. Yeah, but like when the three dudes blew up and it sounded like Philip Glass's score for Koya Kwanazzi, or whenever you say that?

What do you want from life, Doc? It's fucking funny. It's just funny when you see people, and not funny, it is legitimately interesting. And I said this even about the Sheridan shows that I don't like. When you fully see an artist untethered. This is what I'm saying. The in the angly thing is just like,

there are no notes. There are no notes for him. because like it's wild. But like I would just, because I was going to say the landman playlist is already like a thing on Spotify.

You know what I mean? Like it's, it's the same way that Yellowstone became like a showcase for country music and it became like country music stars

would guest star on the show and stuff like that. Like I just think it's a fascinating industry into itself. Are you generally, so you just like, you like the unfiltered artist.

So I mentioned guided by voices before. Like you like the output now that they're not on a, they haven't been on a late in 20 years and they just release six albums a year. No, I don't. But I mean, like, the idea of... I don't understand why there's four Taylor Sheridan shows on at the same time.

It's kind of crazy. I don't, I mean, it seems like they could have spread these out. Maybe they don't want to. Also, for what it's worth, and this comes from Paramount, Lamband's a massive hit. I'm sure. It should be. Five million global, whatever, viewers.

Like, I don't know how that works, but, like, it seems like it's a big hit. I think that it'll be interesting to track this, because my feeling is many of the wrong lessons will be taken from the success of the show when they're actually really, really smart lessons to take from the success of this show. But that's generally not how Hollywood reacts. So what do you think would be the wrong lesson to take from it? Well, I think the more, I think... Make more shows about fossil fuels.

Also, the kid is just like, I want to have a career fracking this country. Just like, okay, you're going to work till you're 31? Good luck, son. the rest of us will be overheard Furiosa, though. Water wars. No, but like, no, I think you agree with this, and you're actually, you're better at articulating this than I am, that the takeaway from these shows,

these lazy takeaway from the shared universe, is that these are jingoistic, that these are, like, just rigidly right-wing shows, which they are not. No. And I think, for me, the most interesting thing about the show is the combination of star power and a star part,

with a part of the country, with a part of American business industry, a slice of life that we just do not pay attention to on the coast. We do not center shows here. And that they're, you know, in television's return to 1997 through science or magic, we are going to get more procedural cop shows and hospital shows and maybe they'll be like the pit and maybe the pit will be good. But we're not done. Like you can make shows with appeal in other.

places, you just have to be curious about them. And I hope that that is the lesson that is taken away from. I also just really, I mean, I think I just found myself completely seduced by like the really almost weird way he treats traditional television writing. It's so bizarre. If this was another show, if this was a limited series, it would be like, it would be Billy Bob Thornton pitted against Monty within the first 20 minutes of the series. Correct.

We knew that Monty was the big bad of the show that he had to conquer or whatever. Which he might be, but not in the way. But they had one argument that was actually pretty realistic where he was just like, you're upset because your friends are dead, but don't ever fucking yell at me because I'm your boss. And it was just a good Billy Bob Thornton, John Ham, jousting scene. And if there's 50 more of those over the course of eight or 10 episodes, I'm going to be like a completely satisfied customer of this. And sometimes that's like my relationship to a TV show. It's just like, I just like watching my stories.

It's three, you get like these three plots per episode. I don't need this to be like, will Billy Bob Thornton discover his own identity or whatever over the course of like. a series. And also, where are you framing your show? How many fingers is he going to lose? This is a question. It is not a show about someone who is going to fix our nation's dependence on natural oil and natural gas. It is not a show that is centered in a place or a think tank that is trying to solve the problem. It is not existential. It is someone existing within the template of a world that broadly exists and has plenty of drama and plenty moving pieces.

And I think that's smart. I also think the wrong lesson continues to. be taken from his shows, which is, let's get movie stars to be in all these things. This show works and sings because of Billy Bob's performance. It's awesome that John Hamm is in it. I can't wait to see Andy Garcia doing shit on this show. Demi Moore, presumably, we'll have lines soon. But it is also important to say that one of the old-fashioned TV things that he does well and sometimes not well is cast faces.

Like Mark Collie is the sheriff. Oh, awesome. He's a singer-songwriter and actor sometimes. And I'm thrilled every time he's on screen. I'm like, oh, that's a guy who lives here. And that's great. And that's sometimes enough. And then he casts people like, no offense.

Like the person who's playing the lawyer who comes in carrying a bag that way. And I'm like, I don't understand what's happening. Have I left Earth? What's her name? Kayla Wallace as Rebecca Falcone, who I imagine is in the penguin extended universe. I mean, do you think that she's the hangman? Oh, is that another character from the penguin? No, that's who Sophia Falcone is accused of being in the penguin.

Oh, I just caught you. you secret penguin watcher. I definitely did the work. What are you talking about? You didn't do the work on a disclaimer. I fucking slogged through that, voiceover. Remember what you said on this podcast?

You know, it just seems like the kind of show will revisit. I can't wait to talk about the finale. Yeah, that's England. Sorry. And you stayed up only watching Penguin. Not for this podcast.

It's like, Sean, should we cover the Penguin on Big Penguin? Should we rename it the Big Penguin? We would do numbers. I know, but we are committed to not. doing numbers. So far

on this podcast, we've come out against... If we're fucking full on become a Taylor Sheridan podcast, I wonder how well we would do. I bet you do. I'm like Chiya's on Indeed right now. No, Kai is... Looking up jobs at NPR. Just like, drill, baby, drill!

I think, I think, I think Kaya would... You would produce that podcast. Taylor Talk? I would not be on it. Honestly, I feel like three years from now, there will be like a Taylor Sheridan reality show.

show. Will I be in it? Are you crying? You said that? Your voice crack. I wouldn't put like a real housewise of Texas past him. So whatever, I'm along for the ride. I would love to just get my ass kicked on a Taylor Sheridan show at one point.

You know? I would love to be like a balding glasses wearing liberal. Are you there to collect signatures for Act Blue? No, no, no. You're there. You're there to collect signatures to put. Beto back on a ballot. We can do it. Third time's the charm. Oh, fuck. All right. Well, it's been a pleasure. Next week, obviously Thanksgiving week. We're going to do a show on Monday, a mailbag, and then we'll do a little bit.

Maybe I'll hit Lioness. Maybe I'll hit a couple of other things at the top with Kaya. Maybe we'll have time to watch the new Mike Scher show. Oh, exactly. That would be lovely. The man on the inside, I believe it's called. Yes. And then Thanksgiving and then back to sort of quasi-regular scheduled programming. There's a lot of stuff. There's a ton of stuff. Agency. black doves, like you before mentioned man on the inside. Squid game, get Millie Black? Yeah.

You almost made it sound like that was one show. Squid Game's good, get Millie Black. Well, we were talking about how like inside the NBA is on ESPN, like all these shows could cross over. Yeah, that would be cool. Why not? That would be cool. Do you think Parks and Rec should cross over onto Landman?

Do you think Dune Prophecy should cross over into your television? Are you just like, because you can't stand the fact that I haven't watched Dune Prophesy yet? I was in England. I just, listen, I've known you for a long time, and for the last three years, honestly, you won't shut up about who founded the Benny Jesuit. You're constantly like, I see the outcome of this 10,000 year push to genetically engineer a space Messiah. But who started the push? I would rather watch Billy Bob Thornton drink Michelob, frankly.

Me, too. He drinks. Have you ever consumed a beer in one the way he does after he's? I could, but I probably wouldn't drive a truck. immediately after doing that. When he gets his fucking, when he hammers his own finger off to turn that valve off.

Yeah. And then he's just like, I need a cigarette and a Dr. Pepper. Yeah. And then he's like, take me to the hospital. Now I want to go to the hospital. I don't like Dr. Pepper that much.

I don't either, but didn't it make it sound delicious? Kaya, thanks. Listeners, thank you. America, thank you. Yeah, Taylor Sheridan. Thanks, man. I'm going to just hop in my electric vehicle

and think about the choices that made. Bye, guys.