The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe - 371: Denis Chetzan and Mary Sullivan—Chuck Gets a Haircut

Episode Date: February 20, 2024

Mike follows through with his threat to get Chuck a professional haircut by enlisting The Irish Hammer's "hairstylist to the stars" to bring his salon to our studio for a cut and record. What could possibly go wrong? 

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All right, we good, Tim? All right, we're good. folks, we are coming in hot and without a net. This does it look like your normal episode of the way I heard it? Because it's not. Joining me today, my business partner, Mary Sullivan, with the Farah Fawcett hair. That'll become relevant in a moment. The producer, you know, his name is Chuck Klausmeyer. And I guess maybe a promise made is a debt unpaid. And on the podcast, not too long ago, I swore to get my old childhood friend, Chuck, a proper haircut. And to do that, Mary has pulled some strings.

As you may have noticed, Mary's hair is sort of a diabolical combination of Farah Fawcett and Jane Fonda. We travel a lot. Everywhere we go, people stop to talk about Mary's hair. That's Dennis. Hi, Dennis. Hi. Dennis is a, what you call it, professional hairdresser. And he's been doing your hair for many years.

Yeah, a long time. Many, many years. Like, give me, like, oh, five, six, ten. Ten years. At least ten years. At least ten years. Yeah. And typically, just so you know what that entails, Dennis comes to Mary's home.

Or I go to the salon. Sometimes you go to the salon. And when you come to her home, Dennis, there's normally wine or whiskey or something involved. Oh, everything you wish. I love going to her house because I get fed, I get out. You get fed. You get all the alcohol. All the alcohol you need.

And friends come over. It becomes like, it's a party. It's a hair party. Okay. So anyway, look, one other thing, not to bog this down with too much exposition, but the MicroWorks Foundation is officially starting a new work ethic scholarship program application period at the end of February.

And finally, finally after trying to do this for, I don't even know how many years now, cosmetology is going to be one of the vocation. that we're going to be paying people for. So that's super cool. It's all coming together now. So you couldn't have just told everybody that? You just got to use me as the visual.

Dude, look at this. But your hair, Chuck, you needed help. He's been telling me for years to grow up to my ass. And he did it. Yeah, but he looked like Howard Hughes. Not in the... Not the good years? Not the early days.

I thought it would be fun. As we bear witness to a hairdresser to the stars, and Dennis, I'm going to talk to you. you in a moment about some of the details of your remarkable life. I just thought it would be interesting to try and have a conversation about Chuck's contribution to our modest enterprise while Dennis performs something like a miracle so that our friend, Chuck, is no longer arrested for vagrancy on his way to the office. One time.

Just one time. Dennis, what are you going to do to him? Walk us through it just, you know, like we're civilians who have never seen this sort of thing happen before. To begin with, I would like to talk about the color and the density of the hair. The color. Chaka's really beautiful hair. Sure. Very medium, fine hair.

A lot of it. And he grew his old hair cut out to this now. The color wise, he's got back off his hair. He's on a level four, which is a dark, medium brown. And as we can see it here, that's on. natural. We're trying to bring some of this color in very thin pieces around his head. So that's going to look like 10 to 12 years ago when it just started to go so shiny. So that's what we are trying to do. Haircut wise, I love his face shape. It's a very oval shape. This is one of

the best shapes you can ever have. Why? And why is it over good? Because every haircut, what you do as a hairdresser, he's going to make it look good through his face shape. He's got high cheek bones, nice jawline. His face is... Perfect? Yeah, almost. Almost, okay. Sorry, I'll take that.

Almost. Let's stay here. It's easy. Easy. Yeah. What I like about is divided to three very even pieces, the forehead, midface and the jaw. It's really good because I can put legs. I can bring this a little bit more.

I'm going to look a little bit more up to date. So that's what with the color. Up to date. So you're like from the caveman all the way to wherever we are now. It's a little bit too much grown out. A little bit. Yeah. Okay, great.

And with the foils, we are trying to do very fine pieces, as you can see here, like this. We're going to go around the head and feel on the top. So that's going to be more of a natural look, not a very high-end fashion look. Is it possible for you to work as you talk? Yes. is only an hour show, but I'm saying.

It's a 24 hour. Okay. But if it all goes as planned, how long is it going to take to put the foil in the hair to facilitate the transfer of the aforementioned color from the back to the front and so forth? Yeah. That's going to be like 15 minutes. 15? Perfect.

Perfect. Does he do this to you at your house when he comes over? Oh, yeah. So there's color-e? She takes a little bit longer. Yeah. I got a lot of hairs. So, yeah.

It is, it's tiresome traveling with you anymore. I'm happy for you. I mean, everywhere now, everywhere. Anytime somebody comes up to compliment my hair, you get a little tweaked. Well, what I like to do is pretend they're talking to me. I know. Because they're normally like, your hair is unbelievable. And I'll say, it's just a little thing I do.

It's a simple rinse. It does. And you should see the looks on their face. It's like, well, no, no, no, your hair's nice, too. But Mary, she does have the hair. I know. I mean, she makes the hairdress life a little bit easier, to be honest. Because it falls almost that way.

Keep working, Dennis. You heard the part where he said he got annoyed at people. How long have you been cutting hair, Dennis? This is now, especially. This is now 23 years, 22 years, 23 years. And you cut famous people's hair? Yeah, I have a lot of stars that I've always. Any you can mention?

I don't want you to betray any confidences, but you want to drop some names? Yeah, not names, but they're very on daily basis on TV. No, TV stars. And he goes and he does fashion? Keep working, Dennis. That's true. That's good a reminder. He goes and does a lot of fashion stuff.

He's constantly getting hired to do weddings. I'm just like, Dennis can come to my hair. Oh, I'm in, you know, I'm in Mexico. I'm in Dubai. I'm in Switzerland. Dubai is one of the most fashionable, is in fashion to get married now and destination where it's like Dubai.

So I get hired, the last October I got hired for a prince to go to Dubai and do his wife. He's, I don't know if you know about the Middle Eastern. Everybody's prince there. Everybody's a prince of Dubai. Yeah, a lot of princes. Yeah, I mean, prince and princes, there's a lot of them. And he had 18 people interviewed,

and I don't know why and I was very lucky he took me and it was very very interesting it was his third wife that he was adding into this I think they called it a hero yeah I didn't want to say that but but it is how did the first two wives feel about that if you don't know it any other way

they weren't why they get a wedding too I didn't do the hair but it was very interesting I also have another prince comes from Dubai every year. He stays in Beverly Hills. He comes with four wives, all of them at the same hotel. They have like 26 children. Everybody comes.

I'll do their wife's hair. He hires me because they are covered outside. So I'm the only one who can see them, touch them, you know, do their hair and talk to them. That's kind of amazing. I mean, really, four wives, talking about. 26 kids, they come to Beverly Hills, Dennis goes over, and everybody gets... And for you, I can tell you the name,

but they're very well-known people. They go shopping here, and they go back home after a month. It's a very kind of different type of a lifestyle that we don't basically understand it as well, you know, because it's totally a different lifestyle. But it's very interesting, and I love it, especially when I get hired to go for a week.

Just a whole week is wedding in Dubai. That's very, very interesting. How important is it to be able to talk and carry on an interesting conversation as a hairdresser? Every time I'm on the phone with you and you're home and he's cutting your hair, he's talking while I'm talking. I don't know who anybody's talking to, but it's like... Dennis is a good talker, yeah. He's got great stories. He's you amused.

Do you share things with him when you're... getting your haircut? Is it like being in a bar? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's kind of like a bartender. It's very confidential. Yeah, yeah. So, no, he's not going to tell you any of it. No, I'm not going to pry. I don't want to make it weird, but I just said, I've, I've always thought good bartenders, like good hairdressers, have a little bit of the psychiatrist in them.

True. You know, they can listen. Well, I believe, Dennis, what was your previous occupation? I believe it or not, I was a therapist before. Get out of you. I didn't know that. Yeah. I was born and raised in Germany and I went to Switzerland to school.

And I came home one day and I said, I want to be a hairdresser. My dad said, no, there's no way. I paid so much for your schooling. You're going to go back to school right away. So a week later, I went back to school and I stayed for eight years in school. Where? In Switzerland. And in Germany.

So after I had my license, I worked for four years. This is just not my job. I mean, it's very interesting, very amazing that you can help people in a different way. Speaking of helping people. Yeah, keep working there while you talk there. It's a man. It's an hour show. It's not my type of a job in that direction.

It helps me now with my now job a lot. It's very, very interesting. That's interesting. Our foundation helps people in the skilled trades. And a lot of the stories we hear are parents that want their kids to go to college. I highly recommend just to take those classes to communication classes, body language, all of that is very, very important for a hairdresser to know all about it. Body language is important for a hairdresser? Yeah, absolutely.

You know, the lady comes sitting in a salon like this. She tells you a totally different thing that her body tells you. Oh, so you're... She's not very comfortable, you know. So her legs are crossed, her arms are crossed, and based on that... That's a different story. Well... We go for that in a different story.

But if you come to me, your body language and your speaking language has to match. Like Mary, you know, she's always when she talks. Her body language is as classes as she talks. So that's kind of a lady that I like to go for. Did you say classy or classless? Classes. Classy, okay. We do have that too.

You know, we do have that too. So to sum up, you went to college for how many years? Eight. Eight years? To be a psychiatrist. I think my master's too in hair. In the U.S., you don't have masters, unfortunately. In Germany, in Switzerland, Austria,

and two other countries, I think it's Italy, too, or Spain. You do need a license. You have to be a master in order to open a salon. Unless you cannot open a salon. There's a higher education level for hairdressing, basically. So in this country, right, you need a certification. You don't need a four-year degree.

I believe that's correct, yes. Right. Yeah, you go at least six months to school. You get your license. And that's why I highly, highly recommend for people who want to be in cosmetology business or run this business, they need to have

that communication, everything about it. Because the school here, I did my license here too. The school here basically passes you over the border and give you a license. This is not really learning. you know everything what you do you have you have to help yourself learn everything through books internet people you know but you have to do it too right like you have i mean there's no substitute for actually doing the work even if you're natural you have to go through it so were

you an apprentice for a time yeah three and a half years what was it like working as an apprentice in the hair every year you go to a different section you start with washing hair knowing about the scalp hair, dentacy, and then goes to colors, like what highlights you can do, what kind of, like what I said here, like about the face shape, what face shape exists, what's the best face shape, what's the best color for someone. So that's how you basically learn those three years,

but you really go a little bit more deeper. Like how do I damage really hair? How can I go with a bleach as far as I can go so that hair doesn't really break, but still can work? with it. It's a little bit on the deeper level. So, I mean, do you think of yourself as a tradesman, as an artist, as a worker, as an entrepreneur? Every hairdresser, you have to have an artistic eye and level of thinking. It's not just a person who comes to cutting hair. You know, you want to make

sure that they have the most best experience, and that starts with you and your personality. If you have personality issues as a hairdresser, you have to fix those first. What kind of living can you make? I mean, I would imagine it's all over the board. You're somewhere near the top of the profession. I don't want to pry, but I mean, can you make, if you're a good stylist working in, you know, an average town in the country, do you have a shot at making six figures? You can make six figures a year? Well, people are still raving, raving, I tell you, about my memory.

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Six figures. Like $100,000 or more? Way more. Way, way, way more? Yeah. Almost double. Hey, Chuck. Oh, wow.

Wait, but no, no, wait, wait. Double six figures is 12 figures. No, I mean, double the $100,000. That's what I mean. This guy can make a billion dollars a year, folks. I'm in the wrong line of work. Hey, Chuck. Everyone is going to be a hair person now.

I have some to fall back on. How did you meet him, Mary? How did Dennis come waltzing into your? fabulous life. I remember that. You were on Montana at the different salon when I first met you. Luxlap. I was working at the Luxlap salon. It's a very high-end salon, Montana. You know, it's a very fashionable.

And when he's like, it's ridiculously expensive. It should be said that when Dennis says Montana, he's referring to a street here in Santa Monica. Not the big giant state and the great work. Montana Avenue. Right. Auctions at my kids' school, and you bid on stuff. And so I bid to get, I think, a haircut at the time.

She bought them most, you know, that school was having an auction for a good cause. One of my clients was running that auction. She goes like, Dennis, I would love you to help me with this. If you can donate anything for your haircuts or for your hair color, that I can do this. It would be for a good cause. This package is a $500 package. you know, I'm like, oh, that's good. So I'll take that, I'll do that.

So I'm married, bought the most expensive one, and she came to me. As soon as she walked in, you know, she's a gorgeous woman, you know? So I'm like, oh, damn, this is a dentist client. Oh, I feel in love with one, two, three.

I swear, and she goes, she gave me a free hand. What woman comes into the salon like this and gives you open hand. She goes like, for some reason, I trust you. You let him do whatever he wanted to do with your hair? I don't believe that. It was very specific what you have to do.

She had already the job done. She was there to continue. So she wanted to keep on color and, yeah. She was basically helping the school. She had a hairdresser, if I'm very honest, you know. She was just wanted to help the school and came back to me for that one time. to use that

what she bought. Now you can see why I stayed with Dennis, right? Well, I mean... It's not... It's in love. It's like entertainment. Because I've in love. It's entertainment as well as the haircut.

I can't stare at Chuck. I can't look him in the face when this is happening. I just don't even know how to... Like some sort of bright wig ran into a TV antenna. You know, something he said on our recent trip to Switzerland. You got your haircut.

My last haircut was in Switzerland, yeah. And that guy was very, you can tell, people over there like the guides, I mean, they really take things seriously. You had your haircut and a few other things done. I had some, I was going to be filming something the next day, and I literally caught my reflection in the window of some store, and I looked terrible. And this guy gave me a trim, and we got to talking. And yeah, I mean, the love for the craft. A couple years ago, I think you were with me too. We were in Nashville, and I got another haircut on the road,

and I talked to the woman and cut my hair, and she had three jobs. So she was cutting hair in this salon, and then she was going uptown and working at another salon. So she had two chairs that she was renting. And then she was a hostess at some local restaurant. I was like, you know, like the work. ethic. It has nothing to do with the vocation. It's just her choice. And I asked her the same questions I ask the guys in Zurich. You know, why do you love it? What's it mean to do this?

And, you know, the answer is, Dennis, tell me if I'm, like, you always know how you're doing, you get immediate feedback, you get appreciation, you get gratitude, you get a sense to apply your skill. Absolutely. Day after day after day. So I just figured, you know, people love doing it way more than I ever thought about, so why not help train the next generation of Dennis's? But Dennis, he had something else done there. You have to be made for this work. This is obviously everything comes to 100%, your techniques and your personality and what you put in. So 50% of this work is technique.

The other 50% is you, how you sell things. So you need to be a little, you cannot be that shy person. That's not going to do it. You can do it, but you're not going to be very successful. You have to be a little bit up there. Form and function, all things. Yeah, and this is a job. It's in fashion.

So every three to four months, every season, everything changes again. So you've got to make sure, like I go to a lot of fashion weeks, all the way to Milan, to London, everywhere, just to update myself. And that's what you need to willing to do, to spend the money. To make money, you basically have to spend money. This is all about. Can I quote you on that? To make money, you have to spend money?

Yeah. Yeah, well, we're spending a fortune to get this done right. So, you're welcome. You're welcome. I'll show you my check. He's promised to take me to a fashion week. Yeah, and the fashion week is very, very interesting. You meet a lot of people.

I meet my best friends who I'm traveling next summer with in New York last year. I met there's four guys. They came from Australia. You know, we became friends in the fashion week. you exchange things. Basically, there are part of you that you're saying

in a different world. They work in totally different environment to live in weather to live in language. It's very, very, very interesting. I can't even, you know, I mean, for me,

like, fashion has been... Really? I got to send it. Mary's documenting this. Yeah. I don't think much about, like, Dirty Jobs, the show I work,

on was not a show about fashion. It was just a show about grime and slime and overtime and stuff. But again, I can't look at you, man. I don't blame it at all. It gets more beautiful and more beautiful. You know what? We actually do need to take a break.

Are you about done with replacing this? We're done. Okay. And just to rinse this out. Let's let that sit a second. We'll throw to a commercial, I guess. Does that sound good to you? Like we throw to a commercial?

You want to do that? Yeah, sure. Poor Chuck. He's trying to produce the podcast It's impossible. I can't hear how any... I can only go by what I'm looking at and I don't have my glasses on, so...

What could possibly go wrong? Nothing. I don't know that anybody's ever had their haircut on the podcast before. Never seen this on Rogan. No, no, no, definitely not. And you won't if you've seen Joe. Well, you can cut Jamie's hair maybe.

No haircuts for him. Dennis, how are you feeling? It looks like the color is already. I see a difference. Yeah, the first part of the process is here done. We did some low lights, very fine low lights on both sides. Can you do something with this calic? It looks like pebbles in the footstops.

This is only a haircut today. It's not a surgical moving part or calic. Good to know. Good to know. I read the brochure wrong. But he did do you a favor. He didn't like do the top color so it'll grow out so you're natural. Yeah, I was going to explain that too. That's a thank you for that. So I left the top part of his hair out and did the low lights Vertical in between so when it grows out so he will have a perfect very natural wash out You will never have to reduce if you don't want to

But I think you are very much hooked He starts right here with me So I come in every four weeks. He got you back on it really easy So what you're saying is that like if I didn't want to have color again, it would be you If you don't want to maintain this. People won't be able to tell that I had it coming. Nobody, not even your partner. This is like very, very natural.

And how long is it going to take from now to finish cutting his hair? About 20 minutes. Oh, perfect, good. 15 to 20 minutes. I can do it faster or longer however you need it. But typically about like 15 to 20 minutes. About the haircut, I sectioned it very now.

It's a natural part, as you can see. So I like to do it. to section my hair cuts. His hair's longer than mine. This is very long here. So we're going to really try to take this much off of his hair. And we're going to start with a razor cut,

not with a scissors cut. Yeah. Because that's got a very rough kind of a little bit of look. Because you're not that type of person that you get up in the morning and blow out of your hair and style your hair. You kind of get out of the shower and kind of like a wash and go type of a guy.

Have you been watching me? Yeah. And it just got weird. It was weird a lot longer before this, Mary. A lot longer before this. All right, well, you start cutting, Dennis, and as you cut, obviously, Chuck's the center of attention. Even if he is flinching now, is that razor flicks remarkably close to all those important veins in his neck. The good thing about this razor doesn't cut this way.

It only cuts this way and with the hair. It doesn't cut the skin. What? You just drag the blade across your hand. It doesn't really do anything. What are you doing? It doesn't cut this way. It has a guard.

Yeah. Wow. No, it has a guard. Nothing going to happen. We didn't buy that on YouTube. I'm kidding. He's a witch. What did you just call me?

Sorry. I'm an artist. Not a witch. Why does you work for us, Mary? How did this happen? How did my friend from literally the 10th grade from 1978 wind up sitting in our office getting a haircut from a hairdresser to the stars who you've known for 10? How does this work? Well, he didn't start working for us.

You started hiring him every time we would get some sort of a gig. As a freelancer. Yeah. What was the first one that he did? Was it for? Kimberly Clark. Oh, Kimberly Clark. Was I think so?

I think it was. Yeah, with the shop towels. Okay. Right. He basically dressed up as a janitor of sorts as I was going on that campaign to get people to throw out those red shop towels, which were filled with all sorts of deposits, heavy metals to go for disposable shop towels. That's the one where you got boycotted. I was boycotted, yeah. Yeah.

You wrote, you hate cry bullies, something like that? The people in the textile. industry who are responsible for laundering shop towels along with like napkins and linens from hotels and tablecloths from restaurants they took exception to the fact that I was involved in a campaign that implied somewhat implicitly that those freshly laundered shop towels were still contaminated with all kinds of heavy metals so yeah they I forgot. It was a funny Facebook post.

I refer people back to that occasionally just to show them what your sense of humor is and how you'll go on the attack. Well, it wasn't funny. I mean, these guys, and Chuck, sorry, this had nothing to do with you, but as a result of that shoot, they boycotted Ford.

They threatened to, yeah. This union invited all of their members to boycott Ford, Rangler, Caterpillar products, stop watching dirty jobs. I mean, they really, they were upset. Yeah, so you talked about how you hated bullies. You talked about how you hated cry babies, and you basically coined the phrase cry bully for them.

It was really, and what happened after that was they ended up pulling the... They pulled the call for the boycott, and I heard the guy who ran the organization was relocated or something. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. He found new employment. That was the first one. I think that was the first one.

And then Caterpillar was not far after that or I could have that backwards, but I don't think so. I think it was Kimberly Clark with the shop towels and we were shooting them in the trash cans. And there was one, I have a picture in my house that you gave me that said 97 years of combined experience or something like that. And it was of the two of us sitting at a lunch table and I'm eating a sandwich and the shop towel is in, my mouth like it's coming out of the sandwich, you know, the point being that if you're wiping your hands with a shop towel and then you're eating your lunch, you're getting the heavy metals. You're getting everything in the shop towel into your body. That was pretty inflammatory now that I think about it. It was kind of funny. But yeah, and so it began. What was after that?

Ford? Caterpillar, I think, was next. And then one of my favorite ones was Ford. Remember when you and Mike, this never aired, Mike was on the Ford floor and you came in as an elf who was looking for a ride for your boss. My boss, right. We never acknowledged who it was, but it wasn't he, like, dressed up like an elf? Yeah, I was dressed as an elf. And you just played it straight. That was the funniest as he took you around. And I remember one of the lines was something about, you're talking about horsepower.

And he's like, wow, I'm not used to horses. He's a big guy. He needs lots of room. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, those were funny, man. Oh, yeah. Where do you put the reindeer, I think, is the question I asked. Yeah.

Yeah, why didn't that air? That was funny. I know, it was great. Maybe he was online. I don't remember, but I don't remember seeing it. We'll have to see if we can think that up somewhere. I think you said, hey, I want to do this. You know, I want to do this from here.

Yeah, it was very spontaneous. Because we were doing something else. I don't know what I was actually hired to do, but you were like, let's do a commercial like this. That's right. It was definitely not planned. And that may have been, was that the time where everybody was being really careful? You remember that? Oh, we were in like an old Apple store. It looked like, yeah. And you were trying to lighten things up. I was desperate to lighten it up. I love stories like this. Seven years ago, a guy named Ben Still was a musician. He had zero interest in running a food company. But he was annoyed.

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That was a great time. But as the stakes get higher and you start spending a bunch of money and people get nervous, it's the exact opposite of what should happen, you know, because nobody wants to see nervous people and a bunch of actors all being just nervous. So really, like the antidote to that whole uptight thing was to dress Chuck like Crumpet or some other elf and just have him come in shopping with a straight face. You're actually really good at that. I remember listening in my earphones because while everybody's being really cautious and everybody's kind of uptight,

you're sitting there with a real person talking to them about the car. And you just started animating the scene in front of you. And it was hysterical and you had the person laughing so that they weren't affected by how uptight everybody was. Well, that's Dirty Jobs 101. You know, production is the enemy of authenticity. You have to have it. Otherwise, you don't have a commercial or a show. but if you suddenly let the people who are in charge

actually be in charge, then all the rest of his mere mortals seize up and start doing fake stuff. And then in the end, you need an elf to walk through the whole thing and kick the tires. But at some point, you hired him. At some point, you actually came to me

and said, we should. You weren't working with us when you did the Novartis stuff, right? Correct. That was still freelance. That actually was my favorite. Oh, yeah. That all came about, I think,

because you did the work with your mom and dad on Viva, on Viva paper towels. And the same guy who brought that actually. Oh, Doug, right. Yeah. It was before you had Freddie. And it was like, he doesn't have a dog. And it was a flea product.

This might be too inside baseball, but what we're talking about it, so there's this big Swiss company called Novartis who makes drugs and pharmaceuticals, but they also make flea and tick collar products. And they wanted to know if I wanted to do some campaign. And Mary and I were like, oh, God, that sounds horrible. I don't even have a dog, really. It's a bit of a stretch. But then, I don't know how it, there was wine involved.

And we started kicking stuff back and forth. Was it your idea originally? Originally, yeah, to dress them up as a dog. It turned out it was a Bernice Mountain Dog. Bernie's Mountain Dog, yeah. And then we all sat around a time. table and basically did the odd couple where you're the dirty jobs guy, he is a birdie's mountain dog that is persnickety and comes down with, you know, fleas and freaks out.

But yeah, we wrote. That was six webisodes, I think we did. Yeah, I don't remember if it was four or six, but we did that. It was several half hours. I mean, it was basically a full on sitcom. But then you did the courtship of Eddie's father, the music, you recreated the words. That was hysterical. Yeah.

When it finally came together, it was like, okay, my best friend dresses as a dog, so he becomes my metaphorical best friend. And then my best friend, it's like the corollary in real life would be, he gets crabs, right? He gets some sort of sexually transmitted problem that would really be awkward to talk about. Something would be really embarrassing to a human, but what's the corollary to a dog? Flees. So then it was like, well, wait a minute. If he's Felix Unger from the odd couple, he would be mortified if he had crabs. And the dog version of Felix would be mortified if he had fleas.

So then we have the construct of the odd couple, but he's my best friend. So we had to take the song from the courtship of Eddie's father. Sing a few bars, Chuck. Would you? People, let me tell you about my best friend. So suddenly, best friends in real life are making a commercial campaign. for a pharmaceutical company, and one of them is dressed as a Bernice Mountain Dog, infected with fleas, and that's the theme song.

And I'm throwing frisbees, and he's chasing them, and we're playing chess. And the doorbell rings. Door! Door! Door! Door! Door! That was funny. There was a lot of fun. You know, we kept the rights to that because it was so much fun and so funny. We kept thinking, we've got to do more of these.

That'd be great. Although, we promised not to dress you up as a dog. in, what was it, like 100 degrees out in the valley we were shooting in August? We talked about this in the first episode of this year, you know, where Deegan saved my life by, you know, getting the NASCAR suit. Michael Deegan, producer extraordinaire, got the NASCAR cooling suit to put on my best friend. So the giant fur Barney's Mountain dog suit infested with the aforementioned. Please wouldn't lead to dehydration and sudden death.

True. And it didn't. So Chuck is still alive. do you hire, when do you come to me and say we should actually think about pulling him in to this work? Well, we were talking about doing a lot more stuff where, you know, social media, all of that. And, um, yeah. Well, as I recall, it was the idea for the podcast. And I came on originally to help write the podcast, which is kind of funny. Yeah, yeah. That's right. Yeah. That's right. I forgot. The podcast was originally. But were we paying him for that?

I've worked for about six or seven months. No, no, before you ever put me on the payroll, I came in and tossed stuff around. Yeah. You know, and then eventually. I think he just got sick of basically every time he would call you, you would just raise work. There's got to make money being your friend. Because we were tossing stuff around since you were 16. Yeah, I know.

And it's like, wait, when did I start paying him? I used to do this for free. All right. Like, how did this happen? Now, now it's like free haircuts, free everything. I mean, this is great. Are you kidding me? You didn't tell me that.

The funniest. You did that? Oh, just like that, the hair cuts over. And there's no more safety guard on the razor. But the funniest thing was that Chuck had never been in office. It didn't really occur to any of us here. Oh, my gosh. And the learning curd, let's just say, was steep.

A right angle. Yeah. That is just so you know, my friend, Chuck here, whose famous hair you're cutting, has been on Broadway. He's starred in major motion pictures. He's written films. He's starred in plays. He's done countless commercials.

I mean, he's not the most famous head you've ever shorn, but he's probably more famous than you think. One of the best hair qualities I have usually. Seriously. Really. How would you rate Chuck's hair compared to the average celebrity? between on a scale of one and ten

he's definitely on a seven half eight really good hair quality I mean the quality starts with a hair on the top who's got the best hair of any celebrity you've ever seen I like Cindy Crawford's hair a lot yeah she got great hair I think Kamala Harris has beautiful hair too it's just a lot of work

remember when he started in the office you didn't know how to use our Telephone. Computers. It was... And then Jade came in and it's like, why did we do this? Why did we hire him?

Who is this guy? It was truly... Yeah. Yeah. Jane thought I was a waste of food, for sure. And may still, to this day, I'm not sure. Food has never been wasted in your presence. A waste of food.

That's so rough. But then, of course, for whatever reasons, we do hire him, and then we go on to six degrees. And that I think is probably wear all of your many hat-wearing talents and limitations in crashing together. My favorite on that one was I-Gore. I-Gore. It's pronounced I-Gore.

Is it? How many characters did you play? I never counted them up, but it was about 40, I think. Elton John. Yeah, it was not quite 50. As a baby. Yeah, it was hysterical. It's a great series.

We're going to get more of those episodes. So you say. But folks, if you're trying to imagine, in your mind's eye, Chuck Klausmeyer, wearing a diaper, dressed as a baby Elton John, singing, like Rocket Man? No, no, I didn't sing anything. I typed it out a little piano. Oh, right. Yeah. Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. Yeah.

Oh, God. Anyway, for that and all the other reasons, the least we can do is get you decent haircut. And Dennis, am I imagining things or is it starting to come together? It's starting to come together. Oh, look at this. So now you can see what I was explaining earlier, the hair was too long. So you couldn't see here really the best features of his face, which is now the high cheekbones here.

So you can see that it complements a lot more. So this line continues on the sides. So it makes it more like interesting, more face. And his forehead, the side you can see, he's got great for it. It's not too big, it's not too little. So it comes perfectly out now. So, that shows more. He said he used the word perfect.

Yeah. Yeah, it is actually, it is. You have a perfect. He doesn't get those words here. No. A lot. No. We're talking about his features.

And his benefits. Who cuts your hair, Dennis? Believe it or not, I have a hairdresser that he doesn't know that I'm a hairdresser. Really? Yeah. He is just for a top of a guy. You cannot make an appointment. He works in downtown L.A.

He's not the fanciest place. You go there, stay in line, and he just likes to be always stoned. One time I went there... My brother is your hairdresser. One time I went there, and then I said like an hour in line, and then I see he's so stoned. I'm like, I'll be right back.

Yeah, I'm going to let this settle for a bit. But he's a really true artist, and, you know, he connects in a different world with different stuff than he makes the heck. It's a very weird way to express yourself and show your work. You know, just an example between me and him, he's an artist, too, but on a different level. He does whatever he thinks is right, which is the right way to do. but through the new modern technology with the techniques and it needs to be combined but he goes only with his feelings

you know one good haircut is divided 250% with your feelings and the technique so the combination of that probably some scissors and the technique that's part of the technique yeah that's part of the technique yeah and that makes a whole haircut the feeling but he does only feeling the problem with that is if I go back

to him, I say a month ago I was here for a haircut. On that day, he had that feeling, he did that haircut. So today is a different feeling with a different looks. That's the only problem with it, which if hairdressers do have feeling, half technique, if you come by, you can always grab back. Why haven't you told him that you're a hairdresser? It makes hairdresser always very nervous for some reason. You know, if you're a doctor going to surgery, like, look, I do the same surgery as you do. Yeah, but you're going to be unconscious when I do it. That's different. That's a little bit, you know. It's the same with lawyers. It makes someone nervous, you know. If I do the job as you do and I come to your office, like, look, I do the same thing as you do, you're going to be like a little bit like,

okay, why are you here? Obviously, I work in a salon that 20 people work. I don't want to go to anybody else. So I also, I like myself to go to different places just to wash my hair, to get a different feel, how hairdressers in town do this, what you do. So just to see getting different aspect of it. Keep cutting as I ask you questions. We are done. Oh, you're done? You're almost done? You're almost done? Almost done, yeah. It's not going to change very much anymore if you're looking for more change. Can we say where your work, which salami? Yeah. Which one is it? I work in a few different salons, but the main salon is a day don't salon on Wilshire between Centinella and Franklin in Santa Monica.

Okay. But you'll also obviously do house calls. Yeah. Beautiful Mary is one of my beautiful house calls. I love doing for Mary house call. I mean, it's so perfect. Why? What's it like over there?

I tell you in one sentence, you get paid for having fun. I'll have Laura. over, our business manager, yeah. Yeah, she's now a regular client. Oh, she introduced, which is wonderful. You know, she built me a lot, you know, with her friends, with her close family. I just call it a wine party and they all come. Let me ask you something.

I think there are a lot of people listening right now who are really, you know, just trying to make sense of, you know, what a haircut ought to cost and why and, like, how it all good. Like, my hair was cut for almost 20 years by a guy named Frank who flew a bomber in the Korean war. It charged $7 and I got to sit around with some other guys, you know, and we looked at naughty magazines and told bad jokes. Sometimes he would cut my ear because his hands shook a little, you know, he's very old,

but I really liked the guy. And, you know, my thought was, you know, it's going to grow back and it doesn't look so bad and whatever. But how do you, like, you're at the top of the game, literally. Here in Beverly Hills, you've got some of the most expensive and famous clients and kings and princes with all their wives coming around the world to see you. How do you just think about a regular old haircut for a regular person? Make it sense for me. Depends with what kind of clientele you're working. You go to always their level. We have some high-end clientele that you go

to live with a prince. You know, you're on that level. We have no more people coming to the salon, but only budget. I work with budgets too. I had a wedding that they said, look, we have only $25,000 for this wedding. So what can you do? I said, I'll do it for free for you. Really? Yeah, I did that for free. Because they were just out of college,

they were a sweetheart, blah, blah, blah, 16. He does that all the time. So that's why I wanted to give him, you know, because that 500, I wanted to, you know what, that have $500 what you want to give me, I give us a gift for you for your wedding gift. That's sweet.

I'll do it free and it's all good. So I do a lot of stuff like that too. So we go always where the clientele is. You kind of have to have this personality to match yourself on that level where the client is. The federal government is not going to close America's skills gap. They have an important role to play for sure. But if we're serious about reinvigorating the skilled trades on a national level, we need more organizations like Skills USA making a real difference on a local level.

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Did you read that thing I posted the other day? I got a shoe shine at SFO. And it was not a busy day. It was a Friday. And so the guy's out, he's out of the way. There's no foot traffic, really, which you kind of need if you run a shoe shine. But I went back and he was shining a kid's shoes.

And the kid had like, I don't know, like this rubber around the leather. The ugliest shoes I've ever. ever seen. But the guy was really working to make them look good. And I was waiting my turn. And when they finally got done, the kid said, oh, this is so much better. How much do I owe you? And the guy said, are you still in school? He said, yeah, I'm 17. He goes, okay, well, no charge for you. But come back sometime later when you have a job. And that just made me want to, that made me want to do what I did, write a story about him and, you know, because every now and

Dennis. Right, but yeah, you've got to give it away. You've got to always remember what goes around comes around. So you do a good thing, something good, how can happen to you? So that's why I'm doing this. Don't chucked in charity case? Oh, that's funny. I found out. I found out that my kid was going to him and, like, didn't tell me.

He never told me. And finally I showed him like, what do he? He's like, oh, he's so cute. And he just came in, yeah, he needed his haircut. Your son went to Dennis to get a haircut. He didn't know. It was the funniest thing ever. I think he just thought I had an account or something.

And it's like Dennis never said anything. So you didn't charge it? No. I mean, I paid him later. I paid him later, but he didn't tell me. Oh, even if you're doing, she pays. I mean, even if I want to do a thing, I mean, she appreciates you so much. She would go to that.

And I mean, I'm sorry, but she pays you overpaid you on top of it. She tips you, you know. She makes sure you come back. She's just the perfect, she's the perfect senior of a coin with every address. I'm like, I'll do any time whatever you need. Well, I'll tell you what's annoying for me. As a guy who's getting a little light on the top here, I got Taylor, who you can't, Taylor, let me see your hair again.

Yeah, Taylor. You know what, stick your head in front of the camera for a minute. Look at this head of hair. Yeah. Look at that guy. That's a good one. It's a great head of hair. Chuck's got a great head hair.

Mary's freakish fair of faucet hair. Everybody who works with and for me. Jade's got great hair, too. Jade's got great hair. Amazing. Incredible hair. Ashley's got great hair. Yeah?

Lively's got good hair. Yeah. Sherry has amazing hair. Oh, yeah? Yeah. A lot of red hair. That might have come out. Mary's kids.

Mary's got amazing. Fantastic hair. I'm sure. Fantastic hair. Yeah. I guess hairy people are attracted to me. We are very lucky. Chuck, how are you feeling?

I see a steel and looks in the mirror there. I mean, what I see looks pretty good. I mean... We are almost done. I want to just do the sides a little bit more lighter. Well, let me ask you something. Is this haircut design for a part? It doesn't have any part.

Nothing. You can part this way, this is part... So I just get out of the shower and I just do this and... Like I told in the beginning, wash and go. Wash and go. You just wash it, dry it, calm the way you want it, is going to stay this way. I just like Mary, she figured out very well. She goes like, his hair is great for layering.

That's very true. Yeah. It lays very well. You said, I was asking for layers, so that was very good. It was keeping me up at night. It was asking so loud. Some questions? That's a bad thing if your hair keeps you up.

Yes, it is a bad thing. I should remind people, our work ethic scholarship program is officially open as of the 1st of March. and we're now offering cosmetology. It's February 28th. Yeah. Well, what's the difference? Two days in a leap year. Is this leap year?

Yes. All right. All right. Well, in spite of the fact that I've been corrected, again, on my own program, we've got, I hesitate to say the wrong number, but it's at least a million dollars, right, Mary? Yeah, probably closer to two. All right, so we're going to have a couple million dollars

that we're going to be awarding of work ethics scholarships. And Dennis, you don't qualify. I'm sorry. have a job. I'm sorry. So no money for you. I can help out. Whatever people need.

Well, I mean. What do people need to do in California to get their certification? People in California need to go to the cosmetology.gov. And there is our forms. First thing you really need to figure out if you are really a hairdresser. I recommend highly to find out what really your passion is. because a lot of people what I noticed, especially in California

in Los Angeles, go after things when they don't find anything else, they think, oh, cutting hair that's actually very easy. I'm going to be a hairdresser. But you really have to be with heart and soul a hairdresser, not just cutting hair. We are cutting hair. Not just cutting. Doesn't make sense?

Yes, it does. It actually does. Robert Frost. We have hairdressers who cut and they have hairdresser who cut hair. So it's a big difference in between. So be the hairdresser who cuts hair, not just cutting hair. You must love what you do.

With heart and soul, you've got to be thinking about you need to do whatever it needs to make you happy. And one thing that is very important, you have to see the end product right in the front. Like when I saw Chuck today, actually the days before, so I thought about like,

okay, what is my best features here? How can I bring this more out? What is the most important things? What else he doesn't like? What is it? Some people like, oh, I don't like my head to be in my face. I don't like the side part. I like to be in the outside.

So in his case, he was about his hair very easy and let me do whatever I thought to do. And he just said one thing he likes it on the longer side. It's still long. Yeah. But it's not how it's huge. Yeah. This is great. And I love the color that you put in because it's just enough to make it.

No one will know. No one will know. Anyone who listens to this might know. You can see it here. We worked here. Yeah. You see? But the overall effect is darker.

Yeah. Without being obvious. I mean, half a shade darker than on his natural tone, just because of that reason, when he shampoos his next time, is going to wash out the overpigmentation of the color. That's going to wash out. And it's going to be just the perfect color. Where are you going next? Where in the world?

Any exotic trips? Are you back to Dubai? Yeah, I'm going to Switzerland in February, and in March I'm going to Germany for a wedding. I'm booked for a wedding in Hamburg, Germany. What a life you're living. I mean, this is your trade. It's a very beautiful level, but it requires a lot of organizing, and you've got to find what you really love. So I added a traveling into it so it doesn't get too boring for me, you know?

In my haircut, my last haircut, in Zurich, which I really enjoyed. They did a thing. They took black, warm wax, and they stuck it on, no, my nose. They do it in the ears, though, too. The guy said they do the ears. But they pulled this stuff out of my nose, man. I pooped straight up my back. It was just that the cutips, they looked like little porcupole.

All the hair in my nose is gone in a second. For a while. Well, I mean, it's still gone. Maybe it'll grow back, probably thicker than ever, but whatever. I mean, do you provide that service? No, I don't. No, it's important to ask. I don't care.

What's on the menu? On the menu is cutting hair. Yeah, that's it. I do makeup too. And that's a different part of my job. When I came to U.S., I used it to work for Playboy magazine. Did you? Yeah, for if you sit online in 2003 and 2004, the Christmas girls,

there's 12 black girls and one blonde one that I create. That's my look. What? Plus makeup. hair. You did all of them? Yeah. That's how I come to US. I was working for Plurban Magazine in South Africa in Cape Town for four years and then they needed someone in California so and I wanted to go to Australia first but that didn't work out. They needed a six months of a background check and I

didn't work out when I said I want I need a job right now so the US was open so I can to New York I did never like it. I I loved it to visit it, but I never worked. Because it was cold January 6th. It was very cold. They forgot, you know. I hate to say that, but I come from a country that everything is like to a second, very much organized. So when I came to U.S., I'm like, they forgot about me at the airport.

I mean, that's how organized it were. For four hours, I just, I died. So I started not to like New York very much, but I was there for six months. and then another nine months in San Francisco. That was really fun too. Where did you work in San Francisco? In San Francisco, of course, all the men are. It was very castor area.

It was very good. Yeah, in the Castro. It was a very man-oriented salon. I felt very comfortable. It was very, very fun. It was very good. But in those salons, it's just about the experience you do. That's another thing that I wanted to tell you, too.

If you become a hairdresser, it's the world. it's the worst thing to work in one salon until you die. You need to move around for the first 15 years, every five years. You know? Different environment, different clients. You're not leaving LA. No, no, no. Sorry.

This is my base. You always have a base. You always have a base. In my case, I'm the old dog now in this job. This is like, this is you can't have. This is my base. That's my home. So wherever you go, you go for a month, but you come back.

But Dennis, this is another thing. we kind of preach in the foundation. It's not just enough to learn a skill, and it's not just enough to love the skill you learn. You have to be willing to go where the work is, and the minute you get too comfortable or too complacent, you ought to be willing to travel. It happens very quick and very fast,

because the clientele when you work in a salon, there comes always, you see the money is flowing, so why would you go? But it's very important for your own grow, your skills grow, your personality, You need to build up your whole personality. If you're really successful, that's what you need to do. How many languages do you speak?

For some of us from Europe, only four. Only four. That's what I asked the guys in Zurich. One guy said four, one guy said six. Yeah. Which languages? My first language is German because I was born and raised in Germany. My second language is as good.

It's the same level with writing and reading. is Farsi, which is the Persian speak Farsi, the Middle East in Iran, because my parents are Persian. My English is okay. I get along, I get comfortable. So far so good, yeah. Not like the, it's okay, basically is fine. And Italian, so, you know,

Italian is like English, so I get away good. How do you say, my name is Dennis and I just cut Chuck Klaus Meyer's hair? In German. In German. I'm Dennis and I have

today Chuck's hair and I look very good out I'm good I'm

I'm I'm I'm see how do you say the same thing in Farsi

I'm my first my and I I'm to German and um

um um um um um um it's sound

very very different I love the sound yeah and in Italian and it Italian

and it's The nomadenae, I can't happen a capelli of Chak. Me piace. You tiamo. Ah, me piace. Oh, well-rounded. I love it.

Well, his hair looks fabulous. Yes, and if you want to see it, right, we're going to put up a before and after, right, on your YouTube page. Are you kidding? I'm going to put this on Facebook, YouTube. I'm putting this everywhere. I would like to style it now. I need a hair dryer. Oh, okay.

Do you have a hair dryer? Yeah, we have a good. Do we have a hairdry? Yeah, I have everything. Okay. Okay. And some products I can style it to see. Product?

Yeah. It looks great. Yeah. Okay. But if you're going to be on somewhere, do you like it like to do where it is? Do you want to start? Let it. Yeah, do the whole thing.

I think we should do the whole thing. You get the whole ball of wax. No, we do the whole show. We might as well. Yeah. I'll be right back. No, you take your time. All right.

Let's all go somewhere else and just like we'll shut it down. So when you come up. comes back, it's dark, and he won't even know that we did a podcast. Or what we do is, while he's gone, we shave your head bald. We got all his stuff here. We could do it. We could do it. And when he comes back, he'd be like, what happened?

I'm really afraid to. You don't know how to. I think I'm going to call an audible. We'll do whatever he's going to do, but I think this is goodbye. Yeah, it is. How long have we been talking? An hour and whatever. Plenty.

Plenty. All right. All right. Folks, quick reminder. Work Ethics Scholarship Program is probably up and running at this point as of March 1st. Cosmetology is on the menu, along with veterinary sciences, and we have something with computers. Computers. Yeah.

Computer technology, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there's another one, too. I'm blanking. Well, go to microworks.org. You can see what's available. We got a couple million bucks for giving away in work ethic scholarships.

Dennis is about to plug in a hair dryer, which means the podcast is coming to an end, but not before. I can only thank you in one language, my friend, but thank you very much for taking care of Mary Sullivan's amazing locks, and now my friend Chuck. Taylor's next on the list. You know, if you ever get another haircut, and who knows, maybe me too.

Really, thank you for coming by. I thank you for giving me the opportunity to be here, and I thank you and thank you and thank you. Oh, thank you. You're welcome. Thank you, Dennis. All right, folks, hope you liked it. Whatever that was, we'll be back next week

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