The Weekly Planet - 104 The Martian

Episode Date: October 5, 2015

In addition to talking about Matt Damon and Ridley Scott's The Martian we get into news of Damage Control, Batman V Superman being rated, a Kingsman 2/Robin Hood: Origins clash, Game Of Thrones the movie, Thor Ragnarok and the death of the Terminator franchise. Finally. Thanks for listening!Oh and the non-spoiler timestamp is 1:11:22. I remembered. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet, official podcast of comicbookmovie.com where we talk movies and TV shows and comics. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday. With me as always is my co-host Nick Mason. We're here. We are here. Springtime. We've got a new configuration to your man cave.

Regular room. You've got a desk now. Correct. And I've got a couch that I'm laying out. I feel a lot like it's a talk show. Yes. Except I'm a guest who's quite severely depressed and you're some sort of conservative pundit because that's how it looks. It is how it looks, yeah. Like some sort of radio host. And we're doing our show to a blank wall. That's true, yeah. And there's a toilet also. Oh, and a toilet, which you didn't notice. But we actually talked about this on the show a few weeks ago.

You said that extra room. That extra room, yes. That you built. That I built, yes. Straight into the news? Yes. Now, I'm sure you got this tweet. Literally hundreds of times.

Yes, here we go. Let's get it out of the way right up top and see how long it takes for the tweets to abate. ABC are producing a pilot for Marvel's Damage Control. Yeah, we do appreciate people tweeting. Oh, absolutely. It's great. Well, see, otherwise, I literally would not have known otherwise. But now I know hundreds of times over.

So thank you for the tweets. So for anybody who doesn't know, we've talked about it in the past on this show. Marvel Comics have an organization called Damage Control. They're a company that essentially rebuilds

New York City every time the Avengers foes blow it up. And they're sort of just blue-collar Joes that are sick to death of these superheroes. And ABC are

producing a pilot. A half-hour sitcom. Sitcom pilot. Single camera. It's Marvel's straight-up first half-hour sitcom. Sitcom pilot. Single camera. It's Marvel's straight-up first comedy, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Yep, you're right.

Good, yeah, totally. Are you happy about this? Yes. See, I'm a bit reluctant because it's coming from ABC. Actually, I've written down some ABC comedies from the past. Agents of Shield? Yes, Agents of Shield. Okay, go ahead.

Ruin my good day. Ruin my beautiful spring day right here. The Goldbergs? Give me a reason to bloody be on this couch of misery. The Goldbergs? The Goldbergs is pretty good. I don't know that one. No, it's good.

Blackish? Never heard of it. Don't know that one. Ugly Betty? Oh, yeah, that was a long time ago. Is that a comedy? I thought it was a drama. It's a dramedy.

Yeah. It was from the, like, Ally McBeal comedy. Oh, okay. You know. I saw, like, two minutes of that, and I'm like, not ugly enough. Was there a dance? Was there a dance? Yeah, exactly.

America Ferrara is quite attractive. She's just got braces, which is very, she's Hollywood attractive. Yeah, I guess so, yeah. That's it. Did she eventually, like, lose the braces and become generally attractive? You know, I just said I guess so yeah that's it did she eventually like lose the braces and become generally attractive you know I just said I've seen two minutes of it

yeah but I think maybe it was the last two minutes no I don't know it was the final two minute montage where they're like oh finally she's just become Betty

coming this fall to ABC and then it got one episode and it got cancelled did they call her Ugly Betty in that show I don't know interesting

they didn't mention that in the two minutes you watched it no they didn't we call her Ugly Betty in that show? I don't know. Interesting. They didn't mention that in the two minutes you watched it? No, they didn't. We call her Ugly Betty in this office, just so you know. And I remember seeing, you'd see like interviews and ads, where they'd be like, oh, this is so brave. What a brave step towards, you know, making like progress. She's got braces on.

That's it. That's all I had. And maybe slightly frizzy hair. Or just regular good hair. I don't know. The middle? I've received eight more tweets about damage control in the time that it's taken us to talk about damage control.

The middle? That's the show I... Not Malcolm in the middle. No, that's the show I know as... It should be called Too Many Daughters. And it's got Tim Allen in it. I think he's got too many daughters. Or something.

You know that one? Is that a tagline? It should be if it's not... We think he's got too many daughters. Or something. You know that one? Is that a tagline? It should be if it's not. We think he's got too many daughters. Is this the right amount? We don't want to judge. How many daughters does he have? Couldn't tell you.

Three, surely. One's in the middle. Yeah, I guess so. Is he in the middle? Is he in the middle with girls? I don't know. Again, it's a single camera. Right.

You know, like you walk in from stage left and be like, who ate all the cereal? Or Biscotti. You know what I mean? It's one of those shows. And The Muppets, which has actually just started. Right. Which I've heard is quite good, but I haven't seen it.

It's hard to say. If The Muppets are good. Yeah, without watching it, because there's so much nostalgia there. Like it's a kind of mix of people who are like, I love everything The Muppets. It's going to be good no matter what. And there's one edge who's like, no, it's not I love everything The Muppets. It's going to be good no matter what. And there's one edge who's like, no, it's not as good as The Muppets from the 70s.

Remember when they had a Tonight Show, nothing worked? Mark Hamill was on it. People were always being killed by sandbags or whatever happened. I can't remember. And then some people in the middle. See, I have no nostalgia for The Muppets.

I like them, but I didn't really get into them as a kid. I have more memories of The Muppet Babies. That was more my era than the actual Muppets. The Mppets were a metaphor for humanity oh because they kept trying even though they were no good at anything that's true everybody's no good at it kerm was no good at running a show fozzie was no good at being a comedian that he was the comedian the one who was drumming was really good at drumming animal yeah he's pretty good at using that weezer film clip that's a good film clip man gon. Gonzo is actually based off Klinger from M.A.S.H.

That makes a lot of sense. And Miss Piggy is based off Houlihan. Huh. For all those M.A.S.H. fans out there. Sure, yeah. I love M.A.S.H. It's a great show. So, The Muppets is the funny animal universe,

the funny animal parallel universe of M.A.S.H. I guess it is. So, do you think they all have parallel? Who's Kermit? Is Kermit Hawkeye? No. Because he's not witty enough? No, he's not witty enough. No, he's not witty enough and he's not depressed enough.

So you need to have that kind of balance. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And there was no... There's no surgical scenes with Kermit and there's no laugh track. No, that's right. That was the rule.

God, that's an amazing show. MASH, that is. Still holds up. Does it? I don't know. Good, let's leave it there yeah but look ABC are no stranger

to superhero shows so I can lift some off here Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. which we obviously talked about we don't watch that anymore a lot of people said it's good

a lot of people said second season is back it's third season now whatever whatever season it is it's back I stopped paying attention one season ago

yeah Agent Carter which I like a lot that's great the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles Whatever. Whatever season it is, it's back. I stopped paying attention one season ago. Yeah. Agent Carter, which I like a lot. That's great, yeah. I'm looking forward to it. The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, which I hate. I know it's not a superhero show technically. It was like 20 years ago. Yeah, it was.

At least. This is not my list, man. Okay. If you want another one 20 years ago, Lois and Clark. They did Lois and Clark. Yeah, great. You know what? Once you get back to it, look, the creative teams are slightly different.

I'm sure all the executives have turned up at this point dozens of times. I'm just saying, there's precedent. Sure. And probably the most well-known show from 81 to 83, The Greatest American Hero. Oh, yeah. There you go. Okay.

There's precedent all the way back to the 80s. I remember flicking that on when I was a kid. I think it aired here maybe in the 90s. And it's just like a man like tumbling in front of a green screen. Absolutely. That's all I remember about that show. I think most people will remember it best as George Costanza's answering machine. Yeah, absolutely.

The message. That show is well worth it just for that particular Seinfeld joke. Just watch the entire seasons like the whole lot of Greatest American Hero yeah yeah and then watch that episode of Seinfeld again and be like

oh I get it now brilliant amazing very good yeah my point is this could go either way yeah absolutely it could

and I'm not a really I feel like why are they still making single camera sitcoms like are any of them no you're thinking of multi-camera sitcoms what's a single camera sitcom single camera sitcom is like Like, are any of them? No, you're thinking of multi-camera sitcoms. What's a single camera sitcom?

Single camera sitcom is like The Office. Oh, okay. Then great. I'll do that. Yep. Awesome. Multi-cam is when they've got three cams. Yep.

Or however many. Okay. And then people walk onto a stage and they're like, woo. I don't watch a lot of sitcoms, do I? Yeah. Oh, that's good. Horsing around, multi-camera sitcom. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. Cool. From Bojack Horse. Yeah, it's about Bojack Horse. Yeah, okay, right. Yeah. Think about that. You know what?

I don't like the interview side of it because I feel like, say for Modern Family, they do Modern Family as well, I think. Yeah, I think so. Which I don't love. One of the alphabet networks. One of the alphabet. CBS or ABC. It's one of those.

One of those ones. Or NBC, I don't know. Yeah, I just feel like- MTV. Yeah. Don't play music videos anymore. Yeah, MTV. Sorry.

Do they play music videos anymore. Sorry. Do they play music videos anymore? No. But yeah, like, it's like, you know, Modern Family, they're always cutting to like interviews. Like, what is this show? Is it a documentary? It's been going for years. Like, what is it? Yeah, I think Modern Family, they just sort of aped the office in that sense.

Because the office, the American office ended up addressing it and it ended up going to air in the American Office. That's right. And that's the same with the, that's how the British one ended as well. Always in between seasons two and three. Yeah, but I don't think it's ever been addressed in modern family. Who's it to? What's it for? Good question. Maybe it'll all be revealed.

Yeah, look, cautiously optimistic. But also, remember we talked about a few weeks ago, NBC are doing a similar thing set in the DC universe about an insurance company. Right, yeah. So we're getting two of these. That's so odd. Yeah. There's not enough room for two.

One of them's going to go by the wayside. They should have done, if DC were going to do a comedy, they should have done the DEO, which is the Department of Extra Normal Operations, which is kind of like their shield. I think it would have been- Sounds like you need a pretty big budget, or a budget. Well, see, which is the Department of Extra Normal Operations, which is kind of like their shield. I think it would have been... Sounds like you need a pretty big budget or a budget. Well, see, that's the thing. I think even damage control is going to need a bigger budget than they're going to get it.

Yeah, absolutely. Like the first issue of damage control from like the 90s, there's like a 500-foot tall robot that has collapsed. More than that, like a thousand foot. It. Yeah. That's just, that has collapsed. More than that, like a thousand foot. It's the height of the World Trade Center. Yeah, yeah.

And it's just collapsed on the city. Okay. And they have to find a way to sort of get it off the city. Right. And that can't be cheap, surely. No. A lot of perspective shots. I don't know.

Yeah. Spoiler alert, they transform it into a VW bug. I don't know. Yeah. Spoiler alert. They transform it into a VW bug and just drive it off. Wow. Size-changing technology, man. And matter-changing technology. Yeah, matter-changing. It's two technologies.

Yeah, the mad thinker built it. He's just shrinking and shrinking down. Yeah, look, I think there's probably only room for one of these to work. And look, NBC have a better track record, for me personally, for comedy. Lost. Yes. That's a great... Was that also ABC?

I don't know. Couldn't tell you. I know it ended in a church. They all went to heaven or something. Or they were in heaven. The whole time. Who knows? It's not important.

Yeah. Next news story. I'm ready. Stop tweeting this. That's good. Thor Ragnarok. Looks like it may have found its director. And it is Taika Waititi

yes the guy who directed episodes of Flight of the Conchords and What We Do in the Shadows which is super great I've heard it's amazing I gotta say it which is a

sort of a documentary about vampires that live in New Zealand sure it's pretty great yeah yeah and I love everyone associated

I said documentary it's a mockument it's not real it's not real oh okay which takes a lot of the shine off it obviously no I've heard nothing but good things about that It's pretty great. Yeah, yeah. And I love everyone associated with that show. I said documentary. It's a mockument. It's not real. It's not real. Oh, okay. Which takes a lot of the shine off it, obviously. No, I've heard nothing but good things about that. So this seems to me like it's like your James Gunn kind of move.

Like get this kind of left of center, directed with a kind of a vision or a unique style. Does that mean, do you reckon they're going to lean towards more comedy with Thor? Do you reckon that's the way they're going to play it? Because I feel like the fish out of water stuff with Thor works when he's on Earth. Yes. But if this is all set in Asgard. I don't think they can do funny for Ragnarok.

Yeah, that's it. It's the end of the universe. Yeah, I don't think they can. No, I think, I don't know. I think it's easier for people who have a background in comedy to do drama than it is the vice versa. I would absolutely agree with that. So I think they're going to go serious,

but I think they're like, well, we need some light beats in this. We need somebody who's going to find a place to put them. Yes, yes. And also, we were talking the other day about how one of Marvel's financial backers, he's not... Who is it? Ike Perlmutter. Yeah, Kevin Feige's more independent now in decision making.

So fingers crossed we'll have, which I think has resulted in them getting sort of youngish directors or like, you know, directors who don't have a huge amount of power in Hollywood and then saying, do exactly what we want, follow exactly the Marvel formula. Yeah. And then it's come out kind of average.

Yep, yep. Ant-Man as an example. Sure. Which again, a lot of people loved. Yeah, I know. But we were like formula and then it's come out kind of average Ant-Man as an example which again a lot of people loved but we were like yeah it's pretty good look again I did like it

I was a bit harsh on it when we reviewed it but then having seen some terrible movies since some real piles of garbage as I mentioned I realised I came out very harshly

it's a good fun film it is it absolutely is but yeah I agree with you it's not like that was incredible. I didn't fight.

I was like, that's pretty good. It wasn't like, this is wildly out of the box. Yeah. So fingers crossed now, Feige's got a bit more breathing room. Yeah. He can be like, okay, this is a new guy. He's got a follow-up formula of some sort. But if he wants to add some personal touches.

Absolutely. Go ahead. And I think that's why Guardians worked because everyone involved was just like, I guess just do whatever you think because nobody cares about this. Right, yeah. You can just go and take it in whatever direction. And that's why that's a more interesting movie than a different movie. Correct.

A bad movie, though. Yeah, that's right. Hey, did you see this news? Maybe. This probably came out weeks ago, but I only saw it now. Sure. The rumor is that the new Bond might be Damian Lewis. Who's he?

From Homeland. He's this guy. You've seen him. Oh, yeah. He's in stuff. How old is that the new Bond might be Damien Lewis. Who's he? From Homeland. He's this guy. You've seen him. Oh, yeah. He's in stuff. How old's that guy? The redhead guy. He was in Band of Brothers.

Yeah, exactly. I would say that that is probably not true. I think he's too old. In his face. I'm not looking him up. In your face, Damien Lewis. We'll see how old he is. Okay, let's look it up.

Now that I've got this desk, I've just got my laptop in front of me. It's amazing. It's like the bloody future. You don't have to keep juggling stuff. No, I really don old he is. Okay, let's look it up. Now that I've got this desk, I've just got my laptop in front of me. It's amazing. It's like the bloody future, mate. You don't have to keep juggling stuff. No, I really don't. 44. Yeah, look, he could definitely do it. You thought people would flip out with a blonde Bond.

How do you think they're going to react to a redhead Bond? Well, in Australia, there will be torches and pitchforks. Because Australia is home for an inexplicable hatred of ginger people. I have noticed that, yeah. It's people from outside Australia come here, and if they're unfortunate enough to have been born with ginger hair, they're like, I get a lot of derision here for no reason. I'm fine overseas, but here.

I feel like that after all our ancestors wiped out most of the indigenous population, they kind of shifted gear and they're like well we need somebody to talk sure yeah i think that's how it works uh-huh if you if you google image search rumor james bond it's just idris elba yeah pictures yeah yeah who would you prefer out of those two yeah idris yeah give it a give it a bit of a twist sure absolutely yeah all right i don't think it'll be either of those guys okay well craig's got enough one more in the in the he's do, so he's contracted. You're conflicted over what word to use there.

He's got one more in the... I was going to say can, bag. In the tank, in the can. Yeah. Up his butt. Yeah, he's got one more in his butt. Do you know, I only found out this news this week that they were making this movie

because it clashes with a different movie. You know Taron Egerton? No. He is from Kingsman. He's a kid from Kingsman. Oh, yeah. Who I like quite a bit. They're going to do another one Taron Egerton? No. He was from Kingsman. He's a kid from Kingsman. Oh, yeah. Who I like quite a bit. They're going to do another one in 2016, right?

Yes. But Kingsman 2 clashes with another movie he signed up for called Robin Hood Origins. Ugh. We did Robin Hood Origins. It was called Robin Hood and Russell Crowe was in it. Yes. Or something. And I think I'm fairly certain that all robin hood movies are

robin hood origins yeah because they're all with him starting big except for the one with sean connery where he's like an old robin hood the story of robin hood is the like the original story is the origin he gets but he kicked out of the whatevers and he meets friar tuck yeah fight on a stream yeah or something christian slate is there in some versions. Yeah. I know. Yeah. Which is your favorite version? It's all for love. It certainly is. You're thinking of... I'm thinking of Three Musketeers.

You are, yes. Which is also a great movie. Yeah, it is. Which is your favorite version of Robin Hood, the movie? That Russell Crowe one is garbage. I'm not. I still haven't seen it. It goes forever.

And I remember watching it being like, it's like two hours in and I know there's a final battle because I've seen the trailer. Oh my God. Because I always think of Robin Hood as quite thin and rangy. Sure. It's because he can leap about in the trees. He could, yeah. Russell Crowe.

None of that. No, he's like a, he is a tree. He's a bloody tree trunk. He really is. I like Russell Crowe a lot. He seems like a bit of a big dickhead, but I do like him. I like him as an actor. You know what's good?

The Disney version. The one with the fox. That's a good children's kind of retelling of it. Everyone's an animal. Do you think Robin Hood Men in Tights is still good? I couldn't tell you. Look, in my mind, sure. Yeah, sure.

Never go back. Never go back. That's right. But also, I like the Prince of Thieves version. I know it's terrible, but it's kind of great. No, because that was in the Kevin Costner Goodyears. It was. Field of Dreams.

Yep. Dances with Wolves, which isn't very good, it turns out, in hindsight. Okay, sure. He did that one, the one with Sean Connery, where they're like, you get a gun, you bring a different gun. Oh, and the Untouchables sure now that's great that's solid yeah

yeah so all those ones I keep thinking of when I think of the Untouchables yeah Robert De Niro in like weird face makeup going Tracy Tracy

but I'm thinking of the movie Dick Tracy I combine the two in my mind that's right yeah Robin Hood and Dan Smith-Wolves was just before he fell off the wagon with Waterworld

oh yeah everything went pear-shaped then he made The off the wagon with Waterworld. Oh, yeah. Everything went pear-shaped. Then he made The Postman, which was Waterworld, except he was a postman. And then I don't know what happened after that. Mr. Brooks was pretty good, I guess. It was pretty good, yeah. Yeah, I was going to say that Kevin Costner,

when you see his butt in the movie Robin Hood, it's a stunt double. Stunt butt? Stunt butt. Wow. Wow, Weekly Planet exclusive. Also, the first line in the Kevin Costner, Robert Hood movie is, this is English courage.

And he says it, but he says it in an American accent. Amazing. That's the first line of that movie that he says. Anyway, Taron Egerton is tied to both of these franchises. Who is he again? I've lost my place. Kingsman Kid. Oh, yeah.

Okay, right. All right. Think of a better name, kid. It's not too late to change it. He's got to play either Robin Hood or come back as Eggsy or do a variation of both. Yeah. Which of those would you want to see? Yeah, Eggsy.

Yeah, absolutely. Good on you. That was a really roundabout way of getting to that conclusion. The Terminator series. Why would you choose Robin Hood? I'm sure he signed up. You know what? It's a known property.

Look, Taron Egerton or whatever your name is, finally a chance. Look, we've never had a good one, really, ultimately. We've never had a good Robin Hood, but here's your chance. Do you think you're better than every other actor to do Robin Hood? Yeah, now's your chance. Now's your bloody chance. Once you've done that and you've become a massive,

once you've made $200 million for that, we're going to give you the Phantom. We're going to give you the Shadow. You're going to turn them all around. We're going to give you Phantom 2099. Is that what it's called? Phantom 2040. 2040, I apologize. Get your bloody dates right, guys.

I'm an idiot. Yeah, the Terminator series. Oh, yeah. There was talk that it was gonna because it did really well in China the latest one but it tanked

everywhere else they're like oh this franchise isn't dead but it turns out that it is on indefinite hold so

but we'll never find out what that last scene meant in Terminator Genesis what's the last scene where you left

before the end of the credits but at the end spoiler alert 30 seconds worth of spoilers uh the skynet who is matt smith yeah appears in a room you think he's dead but he appears in a room and then there's like a big ball of red light and my assumption is that the big ball of red light is previous timeline skynet okay he's new skynet and the two skynets are going to team up which is great

because I don't care about the Terminator timeline anymore I don't care do whatever you want it doesn't matter it doesn't matter I'm all in

so what he apparently the rights to Terminator go back to James Cameron in a couple of years regardless of what happens and people are like he's going to save the series

he's not going to touch it he's going to keep making his monkey planet movie or whatever all those ones he's going to keep making his monkey planet movie or whatever, all those ones. He's going to force them on us and then he'll die.

Like, that's what will happen. Yeah, I mean, there's no... He doesn't have time. You're right. I mean, and remember, he heavily endorsed the last one. Do you remember? Yeah, he did.

He talked about it. He was like, it's like nothing I've ever seen. He's like, finally, a good one that carries on my legacy. Which means that even if he does make another one, it's going to be on par with terminator genesis so it's going to be bad you know what but still amazing because old skynet new skynet are going to team up you know what is

you know what the problem with terminator genesis is i can't even picture it in my mind for one like i'm trying to think of what it's not the arnie versus arnie fight because that was that's i'd say legitimately amazing. Agreed. I think the first 30 minutes are pretty good. Yep. But they keep trying to remake Terminator 2. Yeah.

Every Terminator, I guess Salvation not as much. But it's all just like, Terminator 2 is pretty good. Let's do Terminator 2 again. It's just, just make a different Terminator movie. This movie, the Terminator movie. Oh, it's all so easy, isn't it? Just make a different Terminator movie. It was, the Terminator movie. Oh, it's all so easy, isn't it? Just make a different Terminator movie. It was, hey, Hollywood executives,

remember that movie that people consider one of the greatest action movies of all time and made heaps of money and everyone thinks it's great? We're going to make a completely different one. Absolutely. How's that sound financially? That's a financial win, hey? That's what Aliens, the Terminator, Terminator 2,

Predator and Predators. Doesn't work anymore. Predators, fluke. Predators is not a fluke. No, but I mean, it's not a fluke that it was good. It's a fluke that it got made. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you're right.

And I'm sure they sold it as, hey, remember the first Predator? It's exactly the same. Well, it is pretty much. Except we've got English muscle man Adrian Brody. He was really good at that. He was good at that. You're right, right yeah but I mean they would have sold that

as this is the Terminator this is Predator again yeah but you can't it's not you can't do it you can't do a different one yeah

it's not gonna work I guess you're right I think they should make this is a radical departure from Terminator 2 you could say yes and then watch as they

bloody show you the door but I think they should have made because the first part of that movie was in the future was quite good they should have made it leading up part of that movie in the future was quite good they should have made it leading up to them sending a Terminator

through time show that show like the days before leading up and nothing else and then we can just watch Terminator 2 because it's pretty good

says that at the end yeah that's right now you can watch Terminator 2 and one I guess there's one under there's a copy of the DVD under your seat

and everybody's like hooray and they say don't tell anybody else don under your seat and everybody's like hooray and they say don't tell anybody else don't tell anyone so everybody's leaving the cinema like hooray

best day ever so George R.R. Martin says though this hasn't been confirmed by HBO that there's going to be a Game of Thrones movie I'm presuming this is

like the end of the series yeah okay he's not going to be involved in it because he's still got two more books to write and also he hates when people ask him,

do you think you're going to finish your books before you die? Yeah, that's a... He gets that a lot. Is that a nice thing to ask somebody? Well, see, Robert Jordan, who wrote The Wheel of Time. Oh, so you think that's why...

He died. Okay, yeah. Like he did like, I don't know how many, 10 or 11 or something books. Yeah. And that series didn't end. Is it still not ending?

Or did someone else pick up the... I think somebody else has picked up. Keep that wheel spinning, as it were. There you go, yeah. Thank you. Spin that wheel. It's on the Ninja Turtle soundtrack. It was on the Ninja Turtle soundtrack.

But yeah, apparently it's going to include extensive flashbacks, so you could see characters that are dead reappear, which presumably just means Sean B. I think that's what that means. What do you think? All right right great yeah i like your enthusiasm what do you see well that's the thing because we don't know how the series is going to end no do you think that'll influence his writing because if you've got two if you've got two hours to wrap up a multi-season tv series yeah you want it to be want it to be massive and like... Sure.

You want to have dragons. Two dragons. Maybe three dragons. At least two dragons. And you want... White walkers and castles and fires. You want the whole world in peril kind of thing. You want it to be huge in scale.

Yeah, absolutely. You think he's going to be like, well, I've got this character study that's about the horrors of war. I've been writing that. No, I think this is... Maybe just dragons and explosions in the last book. No, I think that's what it is building towards.

Yeah. Because it's building towards a war of, you know, all the different parties coming together, depending who's left alive. Right. And do you think that's going to be in the movie? I think they'll touch on it in the series and it will cap off in the movie.

I think that's very odd. Yeah, it's never been done. Yeah, because you'd think... Except for the X-Files, sort of. That's still going. That's coming back. There was a trailer this week. Yeah.

Looked the same. Pretty much. Yeah. Somebody pointed out for that trailer that there's a moment in that trailer where Mulder comes into his old office and he stands on the I want to believe poster yeah but somebody a friend of mine who's a big x-files fan pointed out that didn't that burn down no but at the end of the season

when molder's out of the office dog it yeah robert patrick rolls up that poster and takes it with him oh really boxes it up so somebody's come back in and put it on the floor. Yeah. I thought he's a bit disrespectful. Yeah, it is in a way. Maybe he had two. I thought it was disrespectful how he just kicked it and tore it. I was like, dude.

Yeah. We all like that poster. Yeah, we've all got one of those in our dorm rooms. Next to our Scarface poster. That's it. You know, I've never seen Scarface. It's probably outrageous, right? I don't know.

Wait for the tweets, man. I feel like I've seen a lot of references to it. Yeah, look, I think Scarface, again, is one of those movies like Top Gun where you don't necessarily have to see it, but from all the parodies and the pop culture references, you could explain the plot. Exactly.

Yeah, so it's fine. There you go. Good. Oh, my God, a couple of new suitors. Scott Rose. Pachito. I know. Who are?

There's the Batman v Superman movie has been rated. Oh, yes. It's getting a PG-13. But here's the interesting thing. Surprise, everyone. Yeah, I know, right? Intense sequences of violence and action throughout, plus sensuality oh my wow any of that uh what do you think i think it'll be it's wonder woman no it'll be a scene where lex luther tries on a whole bunch of different wigs there's a montage

soft focus vaseline on the lens yep great I wonder if they're going to go with the the Batman Wonder Woman relationship because I heard there's not going to be a love triangle between Lois Lane Superman and Wonder Woman yeah didn't one of the trailers establish that Wonder Woman and Batman have had a relationship in the past they seemingly know each other

right right there's some sensuality there yeah yeah just them trying on different wigs that's it mate so that's great I mean I'm not surprised of course it, mate. So that's great.

Of course it's PG-13. That's great. Whatever. Watchmen, right? Oh, yeah. We had that movie a few years ago. I've heard about it, yeah. Zack Snyder apparently has been talking to HBO about a Watchmen TV series. Yeah, I saw that.

So it's not clear whether it's a prequel or a retelling or a sequel or whatever. What do you think? The famously unfilmable Watchmen. Yes. They gave it a bash. I quite like the results. They do. Yeah, it's good.

I don't know if it's going to... What if it's before Watchmen? I hope not. I feel like... I'd be more excited for this if I hadn't seen Watchmen the movie and be like, that's pretty good.

Yeah. Like you did... I mean, you took out the squid, but I understand why you did it. Would you reckon they're going to put the squid back in? Yeah, I reckon they're going to put the squid back... Because there's no way... Like the only way they can pitch this, I mean, you took out the squid, but I understand why you did it. Do you reckon they're going to put the squid back in? Yeah, I reckon they're going to put the squid back in. Because there's no way. The only way they can pitch this, I think, is to be like,

this is going to be more authentic. Oh, okay. More squids. Squids back in. Squids back in, hashtag. Oh, yeah, there we go. That's this week's hashtag. The squids back in.

So I think they will do some before Watchmen stuff. I'm not necessarily going to start there, but I think if they're doing a series, they could just jump all over the place. Who is this with? Do we know? HBO. Game of Thrones.

Well, that was the dream before the movie. People were like, you know what would work? A HBO series. But that was before they did anything genre. And before you'd put the money into it. Yeah, yeah. But now you could make The Watchmen. The only real challenge, I guess, would be the blue guy.

That's a hard special effect to pull off on television, I'd imagine. But it is possible. I mean, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. do whatever they do. They do blue guys all the time, probably. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Are you excited, I. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Are you excited, I guess?

I don't know. I would, again, I would be more excited if I hadn't seen it. Yeah, like, I think Watchmen 2009. Yeah. Best we could do. Yep. I think the only way... Because I think they did the best job they could at compacting

all 12 issues of Watchmen into two hours. Agreed. Like, you're pretty much... It's missing the pirate stuff. Which they put back in. Yeah. In the extended cut. In the extended cut.

And it's... It's missing some, like, Hollis Mason... Is that original Owlman? Yeah. Like, there's a bit more of that. Not Owl. You'll get emails. Yeah, I know, but I'm saying that was his actual name.

Yes, no, you got that correct. Yeah. Yeah. So all that bizzle, I guess, but I don't know. You could potentially set this in two eras. You know what I mean? Yeah, true. Or multiple eras.

It expands from the 30s to the 80s? Yeah. Maybe around there. I don't know. Whatever, man. Great. Do it or don't. It's fine.

We saw a movie this week, didn't we? Yeah, we did. What movie did we see? Speaking of Sean Bean. Yeah. Yeah. We saw The Martian. More like Sean has been.

He's doing a lot of good work. He is. He's great. Yeah, he is. Silent Hill movies? Probably. Yeah. No, he did both.

I was going to say probably the sequel. He did. Kit Harington's in that one as well. From GOT. Yeah. The movie. Potentially. Spoiler alert?

I don't know. We'll find out. Anyway, we saw Ridley Scott. He's back. Yeah, I want to talk about that. Maybe more in spoilers. Okay, potentially. Spoiler alert? I don't know. We'll find out. Anyway, we saw Ridley Scott. He's back. Yeah, I want to talk about that. Maybe more in spoilers. Okay, cool. I think you can't do one good one after doing 10 shit ones in a row and say it's back.

Let's see how he does on Prometheus 2. He's fluked it. Maybe. Look, I don't... Anyway, we'll talk about that in a minute. Okay, cool. So, as always, we'll go non-spoilers. Yep.

See how long we can stand not spoiling things. And then we'll just say things that we saw in the movie. And go, ah. That's pretty good. Pretty good. That's a good bit. Yeah. What's the story for The Martian?

What do you think the story was? Oh, here we go. Here we bloody go. So it's a vaguely defined near future. 2035, I believe. Then it's never said, but I think that's the book is. You just got the gist of it. Yeah.

You extrapolated based on the technology in the movie. Based on the position of the sun and all that as well you saw the their iphones and you're like well probably we didn't really see much future technology in that not as much no like they just seem to have regular smartphones i guess you would though i mean how much do you change the smartphone a lot google glass no that's done yeah nobody nobody's using that anymore yeah yeah fair enough up. Yeah. Fair enough. Also, we saw that episode of Black Mirror. Nobody wants to use them anymore. That's true.

Because you'll find out things about your wife you don't want to know, it turns out. Anyway, the year is, let's say, 2035. Let's say it's 2016. Anyway. And NASA have sent, NASA have somehow gotten their budget back. Yep. And they've sent a manned mission to Mars, Ares 3. It's the third one, presumably. So people have no interest.

In the same way that no one had an interest in Apollo 3A. Because they're like, yeah, they're going to the moon. Who cares? We did that. And no one cares because there's nothing there, it turns out. Anyway, so they're there collecting their soil samples and their whatnots. Yep. But then there's a huge Martian storm coming, much more dangerous than they anticipated.

Yes. So they all head for the ship. Yep. They all head for the bloody exit vehicle. The one that goes up, straight up. Straight up into the space. Yep. But then our main guy, Mark Watley.

Watney. Watney. Watney. He's bloody hit by a bloody big piece of debris right in his big head right in his big head his biomonitor switch off

everybody thinks he's dead yep so they're like ah we gotta go we're killed by the storm so they get in the ship and they fly off yep

they get back onto their like their they get back what's it called Hermes Hermes something yep let's say three

sure I think it is Hermes three and they're like well we gotta head home he's dead he's done no no not for this yeah we don't miss him but then it turns out he's bloody not dead he's trapped on mars he's trapped on mars for many souls so many souls it's never quite explained how long a soul is i think it's i can't remember i remember i did know it but i can't find information in my brain sure i could use this computer to look it up, but... It seems like a lot of work.

I'll have to turn. Anyway, he's got to bloody science his way out of the whole situation. As charmingly as possible. Ooh, there's a Wikipedia page on timekeeping on Mars. Excellent. I'm going to read it in its entirety. I'm not. I'll jump in when you're in the middle of a thought.

Absolutely. I'll just jump right in. So as far as casting goes, that's a genius move. Well, not a genius move. It's a smart move, casting Matt Damon in that role. He's just incredibly likable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think they banked on the fact that if Matt Damon really was trapped on Mars,

people would be like, yeah, we'll get him back. Yeah, we're going to spend all the money we have. How's he going to do another Oceans movie? That's right. Oh, jeez. No, for a guy who mostly spends time alone, I think they did a five-week shoot of just him before he did the stuff for the other crew.

Yeah, he really carries it, obviously. Yeah, totally. And in a lot of movies, I don't like it when people talk to themselves, but they're kind of justified in this because he's doing video diaries the whole time. Sure, yeah. And he would just kind of mutter stuff to himself

every now and then. Yeah, he's presuming he's going to be dead before anybody comes back. Yeah. Well, he's, you know, he's 50-50. He thinks he's going to die. He doesn't want to die. He doesn't want to.

Who does? Yeah. But he's like, okay, I'm going to leave some video journals. I think that works. Yeah, definitely. It's fun, yeah. I agree with that. Like, he assumes he's talking to his friends at NASA.

Yes. So he can be a bit kind of... Kind of like, wahey! Exactly. Well, I guess he knows that eventually they will come back to that spot and they'll find those tapes. Like even if, you know, even if they don't figure out

that he's still buddy fanging about on that vehicle. Yeah. He's doing doughies, mate. Good stuff. A soul is 24 hours, 39 minutes, and 35.244 seconds. That's so many. He was so many souls there, wasn't he?

They can just say days. It's bloody close enough. I know, right? Pretty good. What do you think of the rest of the cast, though? we can talk about his crew because he's got his shuttle crew they were great i think and we didn't have they were all here's the thing it's a tough balance to find people who are individuals but they're not caricatures yes there was no wacky you know yeah it's like a stereotype there was also not like the guy who's like a stereotype in any sense.

There was also not like the guy who was like, I refuse to go back because I'm selfish. Yeah, exactly. There's none of that. Yeah, like you know that if they're going to send a team of scientists and astronauts through space for years, you've got to find people who are going to get along and who are willing to act as a team for as long as possible yes you you don't want somebody who's going to betray the mission no i think or fall in love with the sun yeah or whatever or whatever yeah a lot of people watch

sunshine this week i saw that it's a mixed bag the reactions which is yeah cool that's that's that's good a lot of people because we recommended that last week. We did. You did. Yes. I recommended the movie The Man from Earth. Universal praise. I bet like three people watched that. Yeah, three people sent tweets. Yeah. They bloody loved it though. Now, I can understand why you wouldn't like Sunshine though.

I should have pointed out, like whenever we recommend something, we used to say this, give it 10 minutes. If you're not into it, just switch it off. Sure. It's fine. Yeah. So, yeah. So, the crew, the shuttle crew is like Jessica Chastain. Yep. Doing great. Yeah. this give it 10 minutes if you're not into it just switch it off sure it's fine yeah so yeah so the crew the the shuttle crew is like jessica chastain yep doing great yeah uh stan sebastian or sebastian stan who's bucky from the winter soldier yeah that's right uh michael pena who's

an ant-man uh kate mara who's in fantastic four oh boy and if some of these people have finally redeemed themselves some kate Kate Mara. Yes. Kate Mara's always been good. Yeah. Yeah. And Axel Henne. He's a German guy but I think he's actually Swedish or something weird.

How dare you, Axel Penny. You notice he didn't really turn up the German-ness which I appreciated. That's true. He wasn't like, ah, sausages, ah, pretzels,

whatever German people are. None of those are German. Sausages and pretzels? Bratwurst. Pretzels are bloody Bavarian, mate. You don't None of those... Sausages and pretzels? Bratwurst. Pretzels are bloody Bavarian, mate. You don't know jack shit, mate. You're right, they're probably Austrian. I don't know, I couldn't tell you.

I'm sticking to my guns, though. Okay, good. Yeah, and then you've got the people back on Earth, which they cut back to every now and then. Yeah. You bloody Jeff Daniels. You delightful Shuatel EGF4. Yeah, upcoming... James Bond, correct?

James Bond, yes. Kristen Wiig. All right, the pret James Bond, yes. Kristen Wiig. All right, the pretzels are German. I just looked it up. Yeah! I was right. Surprise Kristen Wiig appearance. I could have easily not been right.

Yeah, Kristen Wiig. Did you not know she was in it? No. Did you see the trailers for this? No. Oh, no, I did. Okay, I did. You forgot.

I mentioned it. I forgot. Yeah, fair enough. Donald Glover. Pretzels originated in Europe just says just Europe just Europe well Europe you know

I mean it's Europe's been divided multiple times many ways so probably Bavaria how many yeah

anyway back to casting what were we talking about Donald Glover yeah who I felt like was who I liked but I felt like he was doing

Ahmed Abed from Community I felt like he was doing but he's still good I love him so they brought him on set and they're like

do the other guy they're like okay you can't do what's the other guy's name Danny Pudi no what's his character's name oh Troy

yeah they're like okay look we love your work give us something other than Troy we know you've got it in you and he's like oh

and they're like okay we're gonna roll in three two and he's like oh what okay Ab. And they're like, okay, we're going to roll in three, two. And he's like, oh, okay, I'll bet. Here we go. Not exactly, but I thought that's similar to that. Sean Bean, which I think I've said like three times now, who's always good.

And Mackenzie Davis, who is? She is the woman at NASA. She discovers, is she the one who discovers that the rover's moved? Yes, she's the Mars tech. I feel like I've seen her in other things, but I can't remember what. Probably. She reminds me of Felicity Smoak from Arrow. Okay, sure.

So that's probably what I'm thinking of. Yeah, sure. Fair enough. Yeah, solid cast, man. Very good. You can't go wrong. There's no weak performances. There's no weak performances.

There's no... Weak performances. Thank you. Finally. Week-long performances. Yeah. Bloody. week performances thank you finally week long performances yeah bloody no

and there's no nobody's a villain no there's no like we have Jeff Daniels he's the head of NASA there's like people trying to toe the line

yeah there's people trying to toe the line there's people who are like there are complications to just going back and getting him on Mars yeah

there's safety concerns. There's concerns for the crew that have just left Mars. There's all this sort of stuff. He's not a guy who's like, you know, we're going to leave him there because it's more profit for me. He's like, I'm juggling all this stuff. If we do a certain thing and we mess up, they're never going to let us,

they're never going to give us any money anymore. Like we'll lose all. We're all done. We're all done kind of thing. Like he's like, we're all out like we'll lose we're all done we're all done kind of thing like he's like we're all out of a job we're all you know doomed kind of thing absolutely so he's got and you know or if we mess up we kill the rest of you know the other crew members kind of thing and that also looks bad yeah he's not he's not a guy who's like this mustache mustache dwelling villain exactly yeah but he's as close as we get to a villain but it's a movie where everybody in the movie is a good person. Yes.

Which is quite rare. Yes, that's right. In a movie when you think about it. That's right. There's no snivelling weasel. There's no snivelling weasel. Yeah, that's it. Which I appreciated.

Me too. As far as special effects go, what did you think of the special effects? Were there special effects? There were some pretty special effects. Pretty good. I mean, it was filmed in, I think it was filmed in Jordan, the Mars stuff. And obviously they CGI'd a lot of that landscape. That landscape looked amazing, right?

The Mars landscape. I found it really interesting for a boring place where there's nothing. It was a pretty boring place and nothing was happening. Yeah, that was, yeah. But it was kind of beautiful. In retrospect, probably no reason to go there because there's nothing there. Well, water there, apparently. That's what they say, isn't it?

What perfect timing for this movie. They're just like, oh, there's water on Mars. By the way, there's a movie about Mars. Well, they just had this in the can just in case. Did you know if they discovered no water on Mars, they were just going to burn all copies of this in front of Matt Damon. Yeah, fair enough. This is my greatest role.

This is my love. What a five weeks. Speak up, Jeff Daniels. I did Dumb and Dumber. That was my greatest role. That's it. Yeah, apparently also NASA was consulted for a lot of this. Somebody was telling me that this is the best,

like the science in this movie is sort of the most ironclad science. Ironclad science. In this kind of movie, which is good because there are some... Spinny ships? Spinny ships. There's a lot of science in this movie.

It's too much. There's a lot of the rescue, the planned rescue missions. There's a lot of science behind that. There's a lot of kind of out there science. Yeah. And if you were to watch this movie knowing that it's impossible to do that, it would take a lot of the finding, I think. See, I found, for Gravity, I found that really, I didn't love Gravity.

I know a lot of people love Gravity, but they've sold that on. This is the most scientifically accurate. No, Scientafic. Scientafic. This is so Scientafic. It's bloody Scientafic is so scientific but even like things like that meteor storm

just keeps swinging around the earth and coming back to that and you're just staying in that one spot where that meteor like just things like like I'm not a man of science

but sitting there watching it I was like yeah really some would argue that that movie's more about the personal journey

of Sandra Bullock I would argue that it's mostly her talking to herself and it's not as good as people think yeah no that's you're probably right it's mostly her talking to herself and it's not as good as people think it is. Yeah, no, you're probably right. It's a marvel of technology, though.

Blah-de-blah. Yeah. Yeah, but apparently the most, or one of the most inaccurate things in the movie is the atmosphere on Mars isn't thick enough for a storm like that to hit. Oh. It'd just be like a gentle breeze

and then you'd be like, we could probably ride this out. Right, okay, sure. So, yeah. Yeah, but that's the MacGuffin. Absolutely, yeah. You've got to throw that in there. That's okay. That's bloody okay. What else are they going to do? like we could probably write this down right okay sure so yeah but that's the MacGuffin absolutely yeah that's okay that's bloody okay

what else are they going to do bloody intelligent rocks that are rock monsters to attack them oh my god yeah we've seen that

spinny ship with the gravity kind of chamber thing before in our dreams sure but also in I think in Mission to Mars

yeah with uh remember that boring one about going to Mars yeah Mission to Mars and there was another one Mars. Yeah, okay. Remember that boring one about going to Mars? Yeah, Mission to Mars. And there was another one, Red Planet, with Val Kilmer. Oh, that boring one, sure. I think that one was slightly less boring

because there was a rogue robot. Sounds boring. A rogot. That sounds pretty boring. Okay, sure. Full credit to the Martian for not being boring. Yeah. Because there is, I remember,

because Jerry O'Connell's in, he's like lifting, he's on a bench press or whatever, and the ship's like spinning. And what they actually did, they built that rig, and they just had people kind of walk around it I remember because Jerry O'Connell is on a bench press or whatever and the ship's spinning. And what they actually did, they built that rig and they just had people kind of walk around it as it kind of spun. It was quite amazing. The classic. The bloody classic.

Keep your camera stationary. Spin the thing. Spin it around. Spin that wheel. Inception Corridor. Spin that wheel. Ninja Turtle soundtrack. Great.

I don't even know if we need to get into spoilers at any point. Maybe. You know what? Let's talk about Ridley Scott. Okay, sure. Here we go. I like Ridley Scott. He's done a lot of good work.

Mark Kermode, who's a really good film critic for the BBC, he does his own film podcast, which is much better than ours and has been going for longer and gets more downloads. What's it called? Who cares? It's called Kermode Mayo. Let's not throw him any more downloads. What's it called? Who cares? It's called Komodo Mayo. Let's not throw him any more bloody... It's really good.

If you want legitimate film criticism. Oh, Mayo. He's our arch nemesis, I feel. Is he? Because if you go to iTunes and you type in weekly, first thing that comes up is weekly Mayo. That's not the mayonnaise podcast. Yeah, that's the famous mayonnaise podcast.

Yeah. Every week they talk about different kinds of mayonnaise. There you go. But anyway, he was saying that Ridley Scott Yeah, that's the famous mayonnaise podcast. Yeah. Every week they talk about different kinds of mayonnaise. Oh. There you go. But anyway, he was saying that Ridley Scott is an amazing visual director and he's also good at world building, which is true of Prometheus. We bloody got him. It's not there. Weekly Planet.

Yeah. We beat him. In his face. Suck it, Weekly Mayo. Or maybe your phone has just remembered it because you've typed it in so many times. It did so many times. What podcast do I do again? Weekly, okay. Mother Mayonnaise 1 What podcast do I do again? Okay.

Mother Mayonnaise one. Yeah. I do love mayonnaise. My shirt is covered in mayonnaise. Maybe. But yeah. That's why I'm never prepared for this podcast because I show up and I've just reviewed a whole bunch of mayonnaise. Like packets and fries.

Yeah, it's great. Fantastic. Do you like fries with mayonnaise? You ever had that? Yeah, oh yeah. It's got a name. They do it in Bruges. I've been to Bruges.

Not a big deal. Don't worry about it. I don't love it. Is it called the pretentious wanker? That's bloody what it sounds like. It's pretty good. You should go to Bruges, man. It's nice.

Anyway, he's really good at world building, but he's not necessarily good at picking a good story. Okay, sure, yeah. I mean, look at, we've talked about this before, look at Prometheus, how amazing that looks in The World It Inhabits, and everybody's good in it, but the story is nonsense, and that's where that movie falls down. Yes.

Or maybe The Old Man won't make up. Right, yeah. And also the bit where the spaceship falls down and people run. They run away from it. They run away from it, but directly in the path of the spaceship. That's it. So, but for this movie, this was well in development before he came on board. I believe the script, the movie was made, was like optioned before the book came out.

Oh, okay. Sure. Because he, Andy Weir, who wrote it, it's a great book, by the way, and it's pretty close. Okay. They're pretty close. Is it funny? Yes, it is.

All that Matt Damon kind of quipping and all that and like swearing under his breath and sending like rude messages to NASA, that's all in there. So Damon did nothing. Essentially, yes. He's basically reading off a teleprompter. They could have got a puppet. What a piece of garbage.

They could have got puppet Matt Damon from World Police. Absolutely. Team America. But yeah, all that's in there. Most of it, it's pretty much beat for beat. I guess we can talk about it in spoilers. You can ask me, is this bit in it? And I'll say yes or no.

Okay, great. So that was already being turned into a film. So hang on, how did they know it was good? Has he done well he he apparently released it on on a blog and people like this is great and then and then he put it on a kindle on kindle minimum for 99 cents and then it kind of you know it got picked up by a publisher yeah they sell it as audio books and everything else power of the internet whatever exactly and that's how john dies at the end. Got made. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Spoiler alert.

So all the wheels were set in motion. Drew Goddard, who does a lot of work for Marvel and Sony, he was going to direct it cause he wrote the screenplay, but then he left to make sinister six. Okay. And at that point they're like, well,

we need a director. Is Ridley Scott dead yet? No. Get him in here. So that, that's how that basically played out so all the wheels were set in motion yep and all the ducks were in a row oh sure whatever other metaphor for getting ready for a thing some wheels were crushing some ducks they're on the verge

that's right yep uh before he came on and he's like one of those viral videos where some little ducks trying to cross the freeway that's right and, oh, what's going to happen to the ducks? Yeah. Then a friendly highway patrolman picks them up and takes them to the other side. Correct. Have I told you I've been attacked by ducks a lot? Oh, geez. We've talked about that.

Is this your bloody Bruges story? No. Did this happen in Bruges? It's in one of the old episodes. Someone can check it out. What was I going to say? So, yeah. He did a great job of driving the ship.

So, what we're saying here, like I've said in weeks prior, doesn't matter who the director is. In a lot of cases in movies, it doesn't matter. No, I'd say some of the times, no.

Yeah. But, but you know, who knows? I'm sure if this was a bad director, I'm sure if they got like, I don't know, Brett Ratner.

I'm not saying he's necessarily a bad director. He gets a lot of stick. Yeah, he does. Because he's bad. There was a preview for a movie before this movie. Yeah. That is a Brett Ratner movie. Tower Heist 2?

No. I'll look it up. All right. I'll also look it up. We'll both look it up. Let's look it up. God, it's good having this keyboard. I feel like I'm living in the present.

Brett Ratner. And I was just saying, like I saw the pre... Oh, he did Hercules. I'm living in the present. Brett Ratner. And I was just saying, like, I saw the pre... Oh, he did Hercules. I actually didn't mind that. Yeah, you go. And I did, like, Red Dragon. Yeah. He's doing the Rush Hour TV movie.

That's probably not it. They didn't have a trailer for that? No. Breakthrough, Beverly Hills Cop 4. Hercules. Never mind. Forget I said anything. Oh, he did part of Movie 43.

Is that one of the worst ones?. That's one of the worst ones. That's one of the worst movies ever made. With an amazing cast, which is weird. Anyway. So the rat's up to something. Yeah, he's up to something, I'll tell you what. Scurrying about. So I think, of course Ridley Scott played a part in this being good.

But I think it, let's just see what he does next before. We were like, Rid? Scott's back. He's back to form and whatever. I know. I get it. Yeah. You bloody get it. Spoilers, I guess.

Yeah. With spoilers. Great. Did you like the, oh yeah. Skip ahead. However many minutes this is. Maybe I'll put a time code in. I probably won't.

Nah. Seems like a lot of effort. Yeah. I'll tell you. I'll put a time code in the description or something. Council of Elrond Or just You in going

Skip to this But then it would Throw out the time That it skips in Skip to Skip to around this Skip to about this That's it

So Did you like the Lord of the Rings reference With the bloody Oh that was clever Yeah I enjoyed that They're like

Oh let's call it Project Elrond And then bloody Sean Bean's in the room Isn't he That's it Exactly Do you think Any part of him Was like I refuse to be in this scene He's like, oh, let's call it Project Elrond and then bloody Sean Bean's in the room, isn't he? That's it. Exactly.

Do you think any part of him was like, I refuse to be in this scene? Nah. Is it like a good sport? Yeah. Yeah. That was pretty sweet. I reckon they came to him. I reckon they did that on the day.

Oh, probably. You're probably right. It wasn't called Project Elrond in the book. It could very well be. I don't remember because Sean Bean's not in the book, so I didn't make the connection. Good point, yeah. What do you think of the music? Oh, by the way, that music stuff, bean's not in the book so i didn't make the connection good point yeah what do you think of the music that oh by the way that music stuff that's all in the the book as well oh yeah i mean it's not a disc that comes with it oh sure to it but maybe next time yeah but he's the captain does love there's a spotify playlist oh my god i bet there

is um the captain in it is jessica chastain has this collection of disco music that's all she has that's all she has yeah and's all she has. Yeah. And look, I understand why they did it, but I was, I I'm like, I hate every one of these. Well,

that's the case. It is. Yeah. Which is weird. It's, it's, it'd be weird. Cause I guess most of those artists aren't around anymore. No,

I said, there's a Bowie song, I think. Oh yeah. And I was like, that's a good song. exactly. But that's in the,

that's not part of the, the soundtrack. Yeah. Well, it's not part of the the soundtrack yeah well it's not part of the soundtrack he has yes yes that's a separate like you know Life on Mars and etc etc

sure but yeah I guess all the artists that were on this disco collection are dead so they can't really object to a movie

where a character listens to their music and hates it because he finds it so bad was there an ABBA song yes there was most of ABBA are alive but everybody hates ABBA yeah it so bad. Was there an ABBA song? Yes, there was. Most of ABBA are alive, but everybody hates ABBA. Yeah, ABBA don't care about ABBA, that's fine.

They made their money. That boy did though. Yeah, but I guess that's the point. I guess you're supposed to hate it. Yes. Yeah. Okay, good. Do you think, I mean, this obviously came out after Guardians of the Galaxy,

but do you think any part of that was like- Is that really that obvious? What did I say? It obviously came out after Guardians of the Galaxy but do you think any part of that was like... Is that really that obvious? What did I say? It obviously came out after Guardians of the Galaxy. Are you sure? Yes, I'm fairly certain. You're sure? I'm fairly certain. Alright. Like, do you think any part of that's like, oh, that'll play well because Guardians had like a rockin' kind of

vintage soundtrack. Nah. But Guardians had a good soundtrack. Yeah, I think it's a coincidence. I think it's a coincidence. Like I said, it was in the book. Because if you're out in space, you want some comforts of home. You want something that's reminiscent of home, that's familiar. Yep, yep. So it's going to be, you know, you're going to have some music.

Yep. You know what I didn't like? This is probably one of the only things I didn't like. By the way, I didn't love this. I wasn't like, this is the best movie I've ever seen. I'm just like, this is fun. Oh yeah, we didn't review it, did we? Oh yeah.

I'd say best movie ever. I enjoyed it a lot. Definitely best movie ever. It didn't like blow my hair back. Sure. was like that's that's a really solid movie yeah i enjoyed it a lot yeah yeah i didn't like and i talked about this last week with sunshine which i can talk about again at length oh please do give us another hour on sunshine where all the computer signals comes up it's like error emergency alert, beep, beep, you know what I mean? Like, hatch breached.

I didn't think we got that many of those. I see, I thought we did. And I feel like they're all astronauts. You don't need to make it that blatantly obvious to them. They all know what they're doing, presumably. And that's what I didn't like about Gravity as well. It didn't even feel like Sandra Bullock was an astronaut. She had to be explained things. Right, okay're an astronaut this is your job nobody tells me about

podcasting mate well maybe a lot of people do actually maybe we should get a stern talking to about podcasting look i think i think you make a good point there thank you but oh wait yeah that's right i'm gonna take it and turn it on you i think that in terms of their actions they were clearly a bunch of professionals who knew exactly what they're doing at all times kind of thing but i think in this case it's just okay it's just you know a scale the scale of the spaceship is so big yeah and what they're doing like is so important that you need big markers kind of thing. You need a voice that's talking because you might be the other end of the ship. Or you need the big light because you might be the other end of the ship.

You know what I'm talking about? It's all about being at different ends of the ship. You're right. I didn't even think of that. That's right. There were two sides to that ship, weren't there? So many sides to the ship. Maybe more because there was a big circle in the middle.

A big circle, that's an infinite number. How many sides? That's an infinite number of sides. Or one side. It's tough to say or one side yeah yeah so that i guess that's i mean that didn't obviously break the movie for me no like well that's what every literally every movie does yeah except for sunshine which i can talk about anyway yes do you want to know some bits that didn't happen in the book okay or did happen in the book? Okay. Or did happen in the book? Sure. Do you have any specific questions?

I'm sure you can think of some as you go. Yeah, okay. If you want. Just give me one off the dock. Okay. You know the bit how he's like, I'm going to fly like Iron Man. He cuts his glove and he spins through space. Yes.

He says he's going to do that in the book. And they go, don't do it because that's really dumb. Don't be an idiot. So he doesn't do it. Okay, sure. But in the movie he does yeah you gotta yeah there's also a bit where a lot more emphasis is placed on when he travels in between places because he's he's traveling for for weeks in in that little rover

sure yeah and he does a couple of big trips the last one being the biggest and he gets caught in like a sandstorm and nasa knows that he's in a sandstorm because they can obviously see it from orbit, but he can't. So there's trouble. So he has to figure out... First of all, he has to figure out that he's in a sandstorm and then navigate accordingly.

But the thing is, and also at that point, in the book also, he again loses communication with NASA. Like he puts an electronic drill down on a bench and it just fries everything. Oh, drill down on a bench and he just fries everything so he just about I don't know

it's three quarters in he's just lost all communication man I really felt for Matt Damon's character in this movie anytime and I think that's

a testament to him and also you with your empathy I've got a lot of empathy I'm a real human being no sociopaths on this podcast I tell you what

that we know about that we don't might be james uh but like every time something didn't go his way i'm like oh no yeah yeah did you ever feel like down though like i feel like i like cast away but a lot of time i'm like this is super depressing right yeah okay no i felt this didn't feel like that yeah yeah he only really had kind of one wig out yeah and that's when he lost all his crops and whatever, which again happens in the book. Yeah. Spoiler alert, I guess.

No, I've lost my train of thought. Continue. No, that's fine. Yeah. He was always just kind of like, well, this thing's now happened. So now I got to do this thing. Oh, that's my question. How long do you think you would have survived on Mars?

About four minutes. Yeah. Me too. Yeah. You know what? My feeling is, because you know, when you're out on mars you've got the spacesuit on i know and then you you know he would open up the rover he'd get in the rover he'd close the door he'd turn the atmosphere on on the rover he'd take the helmet off yeah i feel

i would do that out of order and kill myself like i'd be like okay there's the rover take my helmet off get in the oh god no or i'd be like there's the rover get in the rover close the door take my helmet off oh no atmosphere you know yeah absolutely i would last about that long yeah because i do that in real life sure yeah yeah well he nearly does it at one point as well yeah that's a nice little nod yeah he's like okay time to go out into the airlock and he's like put put my helmet on. Put my helmet on. And he's right at the end of his tether at that point. That's it. Just like,

ugh. Yeah. What do you think how he got real skinny? Was that CGI? It must have been. Matt Damon actually, he did a movie

where he was a war vet in the 90s. I've heard about this. This was on his Wikipedia page. Yeah. And then it turned out like it severely damaged his immune system

or something like that. Yeah. He used to take supplements. Is that true though? Apparently. So I don't think he would have done that. No, not again.

So I mean, they can CGI skinny a guy now, can't they? Oh, sure, yeah. Or just put a guy's head on a different guy's head. Probably got Christian Bale to do it.

They probably did. Hey, Christian Bale, you want an uncredited role in The Martian? All you have to do is get real skinny like you did in The Machinist. I'll do it.

It's for art. Yeah, he's good at that, isn't he? Why isn't his body broken down completely? Why isn't he just like a pile of sand probably roids

yeah I guess so just strung together by roids yeah fair enough roids and rage against the movie industry I feel you ever read an interview with Christian Bale well I can never know which accent he's not on board with anything

he really isn't but I never know what accent to read his voice in yeah yeah yeah what are you Welsh is he from so they're like what yeah. What are you, Welsh? Where's he from? So they're like, what kind of movies do you like, Christian Ballen? He's like, I don't like anything. That's true. I don't watch movies.

I don't care. I don't care about them. I don't care about nothing. I just care about my kids or whatever. How many kids I have, I don't know. If I have kids. Yeah. I care about my wife unless we're divorced.

I don't know. That's true. But I always read those and I'm like, surely you would care about the craft of acting because you're a really intense actor. He certainly does, yeah. So why don't you watch movies for their good performances? Because I think they're focused on themselves. I think that's why.

Like Daniel Day-Lewis is the same. Huh, D-Day-Lew? Yeah, D-Day-Lew. Like he quit acting for years and he just... Became a shoemaker. Yeah, he was a cobbler. Yeah. Not even for a role, he just felt like it. He just wanted to do it. just... Became a shoemaker. Yeah, he was a cobbler. Yeah. Not even for a role.

He just felt like it. He just wanted to do it. That's... I don't know. These artistic types, mate. They spend a lot of time in Bruges. Yeah. You know.

Yeah, that sounds about bloody right. Oh, yeah. So we're talking about the accuracy of the physics and stuff like that. Because in the movie, the plan to rescue him is just that. The slingshot around Earth. And if you go into that knowing that that wouldn't work, that would ruin the whole movie, surely. I guess so. If you just flew past the Earth.

They also do that in Apollo 13 as well. They slingshot around the moon. They also did it in the original series of Star Trek to travel through time. Interesting. Yeah. Which one came first? It's impossible to say. I mean, I know the movie Apollo 13 came out like the mid-90s,

but what event happened? Like that Star Trek episode? From the 60s? Or the Apollo mission, which I think was early 70s? Oh, then Star Trek. Interesting, yeah. But just so we're clear, the movie Apollo 13 definitely came out after the 1960s series of Star Trek. That movie still holds up in every way.

Yeah? Yeah. Do you feel there's a lot of similarities between that movie and The Martian? Definitely. Because I have not really seen Apollo 13 in a very long time. Okay. Yeah, definitely. I mean, there's...

Is there the same vibe? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because Apollo 11 and 13, which again, I haven't seen that recently either. It's pretty upbeat. And a lot of that's got to do with the cast, you know, because you've got your bloody Tom Hanks and whatever.

He's also in Cast Away. Oh, my God. Do you think a young Tom Hanks would have been a good replacement for Matt Davies? Definitely. Or even just now Tom Hanks. Yeah, now Tom Hanks would work. Yeah, he's good, man. He's great.

Apparently, nicest guy in Hollywood. That's what they say. From what I've heard. I've got a question. First of all, apparently this is like one of the only sci-fi movies. It is one of the only sci-fi movies. Where nobody is killed. Yeah.

But it could go either way quite a few times. I thought that was interesting. Okay, it's interesting. I feel like if this happened in real life yes right people would pull out all the stops to go and get this guy yeah especially if it was matt damon probably not a real astronaut because they seem kind of boring sure yeah would you think that would happen in real life do you think people would genuinely pull out all the stops to go and get a guy if that happens i don't know if they see and well here's the thing because

in the movie there's even cooperation between nasa and the chinese space agency i don't know if they see. And well, here's the thing, because in the movie, there's even cooperation between NASA and the Chinese space agency. I don't know if that would happen. Yeah. I don't know. Well, that happens in the book as well. And they trade. So one of the deals is we'll give you this rocket booster and you have to put

one of our Chinese astronauts on your next mission, whatever that is. And they also, and they only briefly touch on this in the movie that's done between scientists. They're like, let's keep governments out of this. Let's just go NASA to Chinese. That is this in the movie that's done between scientists they're like let's keep governments out of this

let's just go NASA to Chinese that is mentioned in the movie yeah exactly so you don't know if that would happen necessarily it would be billions of dollars sure

like yeah I don't know you think they'd actually be able to go like say the US government would be able to go nah you can drive there i guess the premise in

this movie is that there's so much transparency between nasa and the public yes which i think there actually is yeah that's my understanding what as soon as they find out that matt damon is lost on mars yeah the public are gonna know yeah so we better do something better do something yeah i don't know but so you don't necessarily i think they would just be like look he knew the risks going in yeah it would cost us our entire operating budget for the next five years yeah to get him back yeah we can't do it but i feel like if you did this and you pulled it off yeah that would be like a pr wise yeah you'd probably get more funding. Even if he died.

This is like a bloody argument that they would have in NASA. It is. You know what I mean? Sure. They'd probably be more like furiously riding on whiteboards. Yeah, totally. Yeah. And pointing of fingers.

I'd be the guy from Dumb and Dumber. You'd be someone else. Sean Bean. Sean Bean. Yeah. Sure. I feel like it would happen. I genuinely feel like it would.

And let's say hypothetically that you agree with me, which you don't. I thought you would. Look, it could go either way, but I... You think a lot of it's got to do with transparency, would you say? Look, I think it would be... I think it would depend very much on

where NASA's position is in the public, what their visibility is like and what their position is like in the public, you know, what their visibility is like and what their budget is like. Yeah. Like, because NASA sort of goes, sort of waxes and wanes, like sometimes they've got heaps of money and then, you know, five years later,

nobody's interested in space travel anymore. So the government doesn't, like, you know. I feel like this is going to kick off a whole, I think we're going to get a new kind of space age from this. Based on this movie. Of this and gravity and probably sunshine you know gravity yeah yeah people love gravity gravity gravity yeah people love it um yeah i feel like we're gonna there's gonna be i think you're gonna see next 20 years something's gonna happen well i reckon they're gonna get a

manned mission to mars by like the mid look now we found that water yeah well that's it you want to taste that fresh mountain mars water don don't you? I do not. Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. Great. You've given me this glass of garbage water here. Do you want some? Yeah. I'll pass it to you.

Thank you. Do you want a desk? I'll get your desk. Or you like the couch? It doesn't sound good on the headphones. I bet it doesn't sound good in our listeners' ears either. Is that pretty good? Yeah, it's pretty good

but imagine if it was Mars water. Even better. Bellissimo. So gritty. Bellissimo. Yeah. But what I don't understand is people can rally behind a cause

for one person or raise money for, say, the bat kid. Sure. Which I completely understand. Of course that kid should live. That's not what I'm saying for a second that he shouldn't raise money for, say, the bat kid. Sure. Which I completely understand. Of course that kid should live. That's not what I'm saying for a second that he shouldn't. But yeah, people can't get behind, say, taking in refugees or solving famine and things like

that. When you see things on a mass scale that you can't comprehend, people will turn away from it. Because your mind can literally not comprehend that there's thousands of people in Africa dying right now. Yeah. But when there's one handsome astronaut, you can kind of focus your empathy. So what you're saying is if this happened in real life, even if NASA didn't have the money, we could set up a Kickstarter to get him rescued.

Yeah. Well, that's not what I'm saying, but yes. We get some rocket hobbyists to build their own rocket and we can send it to Mars and rescue him. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Anyway, I've got some letters here. I'm ready. You want to hear them?

Yes. All right then. That's what I meant when I said I'm ready. God. I thought you just meant, I don't even know. Ready to. This one, Colin. Hey guys, I just watched The Martian.

I thought it was pretty great, especially the level of humor in the film. However, the ending left me with two questions. One, is there any... If these are physics questions, we cannot help you. No. We'll give it a go. We don't even have a whiteboard. Is there any precedent for Sue Storm and Bucky Barnes hooking up in the comics? I presume he means book.

Oh, wait. No, he means the actual comics. Yes, he does. I don't know. I don't think so. I'm going to say no. I'm going to say flat out no. The timelines don't sync up at all. Yeah, fair enough. Because he was... He was frozen for many years.

He was frozen for many years. Sue and Rita have been married for a really long time. Correct. Then they broke up. She's only got eyes for him and the Submariner. Yes, that's correct. But in the book, that's actually... Their relationship is kind of stretched out a bit more.

They both have feelings for each other and kind of everybody knows it. And Mark Watney sends an email like, just kiss each other, you dickheads. All right, because I didn't get a sense of that at all until right at the end. No, there wasn't. So there were no clues that I just didn't pick up on? No.

Because again, I... Because you have no empathy? Because I have no empathy. Surprise! Twist! I am a sociopath. Question number two. Watney's going to die an early death from cancer

Due to driving around with that radioactive fuel for so long Right He wrapped it in that gold tape My understanding is It's only really dangerous if it's split Yeah if he cracked it open he'd be super dead I just figured out something You know how he cuts the hole in the roof and puts the big airbag

I think that's to keep the heat So that he's not sitting in the heat the entire time. Oh, yeah. Okay. There's a reason why he does it in the book. Yes. He cuts the whole out of one. If only you'd read the book. You'd know.

I'm not a nerd, am I? No. Thank you. So you don't think he's going to get radiation sickness and whatever? No. If anything, it might... I mean, it ruined his eyesight, obviously. Did it?

Oh, yeah. He had glasses, didn't he? He had glasses, yeah. And he had a wig at the end, if you noticed. I did see that, yeah. Good wigged up. Wigged up. Very good.

This is from John. Hello, dickheads. Pleasantries from Ireland. I went to see the Martian... Wait, those two phrases contradict one another. We continue. I went to see the Martian

last night and had an absolute blast watching it. I was pleasantly surprised by how much fun the film was considering the subject matter, especially the amount of quipping that was going on. All these factors

have me wondering, do you, Nicholas Mason, consider the Martian to be a romp? You seem like an authority on all things romp, so I'm interested in your opinion. You love a romp. I do love a romp. It's well known.

Yep, I love a romp. Look, I think this movie, too long to be a romp. Okay. Romp's got to be breezy. Yep, sure. If we're setting down some romp rules, and I like to think that we are,

you've got to have a breezy romp. Fair enough. Nobody says a long interminable romp it never happens and look this movie was nearly three hours long yeah did you feel the length of it yes i felt it was long but i wasn't like get this done like i'm not neither was i yeah yeah yeah like it was i think towards the end when he's just you know they're like at the point where they're like okay he's got to get to the aries four yeah like the launch site and he's got to make all this preparation.

I felt the length there. Yeah, sure. But I wasn't like, oh, I want to see how this plays out. I felt a tension because I'm like, the longer this goes, the more things are going to go poorly for him. And you needed to pee. And I actually didn't. How about that twist?

There's a twist for you. Normally, for anybody, no, this isn't good radio. I disagree. Well, yeah, I guess it anybody, no, this isn't good radio. I disagree. Well, yeah, I guess it's not. But this isn't radio. For me, oftentimes the tension in a movie, like in the third act is ramped up highly by the fact that I really need, I bought a big Coke and I really need to pee.

You always buy a big Coke, mate. I'm embracing the movie going experience. If I like a movie, if I think I'm going to like it, I don't drink like that morning, which I know is'm going to like it, I don't drink like that morning, which I know is really bad for you because I don't want to leave. Like when Star Wars comes out, I probably won't drink for like three days prior because I don't want to miss a thing. Sounds like a really good idea.

Aerosmith style. It sounds like a really good idea. It's also good for bodybuilders because you can look more ripped. Look more ripped. Exactly. That's obviously not a concern of mine. So if you go to the, no, but if you go to the bloody force awakens premiere and they have one of those weird wall like the the star wars wall that you get your photo taken in front of no just rip your shirt off and show how ripped

you are whenever we've gone to like a premiere thing or whatever there's always like you can sit on a harley davidson and get a photo with the terminator or whatever yeah Yeah. It's like, no, thank you. No, thank you. No. So not a romp. Avi, Avi, got to watch The Martian. I thought it was good. Not great, but good. Like a seven out of 10.

How dare you? I felt like it was lacking any real emotion. You and only you are entitled to your opinion. Correct. Everybody else is wrong. Mostly. I felt like it was lacking any real emotion. Mostly. And maybe that's just me.

I actually love Interstellar more than this. There you go. I disagree. Okay, fair enough. Yeah. I liked Interstellar. I know you didn't. Somebody in my room this week and said,

why don't you guys like Interstellar? I enjoyed Interstellar. I mean, I did enjoy it. According to the internet, you don't. It was an ordeal. Yes. Look, no, I enjoyed this a lot more. I know I felt the emotion in it.

Yeah. Kind of thing, yeah. Empathy's back. It comes and goes with you, doesn't I felt the emotion in it. Yeah. Kind of thing, yeah. Empathy's back. It comes and goes with you, doesn't it? It does, yeah. Yeah. This is from Sydney. Last question or comment.

The city of Sydney? Yeah, the city of Sydney. Okay, the city of Sydney. Okay, what do you reckon, Sydney? Mason, since you are a lover of the hey, asshole guy in movies. Yes. So do you want to explain that just quickly? So my goal in life, I don't know if i love it so much

but my goal in life is to appear in a movie it's not my actual goal i disagree all right i'm if somebody's like hey we've talked about this for like 15 years yeah look here's the thing what i'm in one of the things i'd like to do yeah is like in a movie there's always there's always maybe in the opening scene of a movie there might be a character and they're they're running through the city they're running through the city of new york maybe right and they're on the run because there's a killer after them or something like that maybe they've been shot or something they're in a bad way they've been you know they've been on the run for days they haven't slept they're clearly distressed they're clearly distressed they're running through the city they're looking for help they're looking left and right they're looking for the police

they're looking for some kind of help yeah they can't find it they're too scared and all the shops are closed they can't find anyone who can call them they're looking for and right. They're looking for the police. They're looking for some kind of help. They can't find it. They're too scared and all the shops are closed. They can't find anyone who can call them. They're looking for a phone. They're looking for something right. And they're on the run and this killer's nearly, you know, nearly they're on their heels. They're in real trouble. And they're running through the city streets and they bump a guy

who's a typical New York guy. And he's like, hey, asshole, I want to be that guy in a movie. I'd like to be that character. A guy who just has completely not read the situation and he's only looking out for himself. Exactly. He's probably wearing a t-shirt

with a flannel over it and a trucker hat or something. Or he's a businessman. Or he's a businessman! He could be a businessman. He's on a phone. He's on a phone. He's getting into his convertible

or whatever. Yeah, he's on one of those big brick phones and he's like, hey, asshole! You know what I mean? Absolutely. And that character on the run ends up getting murdered. Anyway, I want to be that guy's like, hey, asshole. You know what I mean? Absolutely. And that character

on the run ends up getting murdered. Anyway, I want to be that guy. Indefinitely. Yeah. Anyway, Mason, since you're a lover

of the hey, asshole guy in movies, we say asshole. Yes, we do. I struggle saying asshole. Sure, but I'm translating for American listeners. Did you like the employee

in the canteen at NASA who yelled to Chiwetel Ejiofor for taking a map of Mars off the wall? Yeah, he did. I didn't notice that. Did he actually say those words? No, he doesn't.

But he's like, hey, you, what are you doing? What are you doing? Get out of the cafeteria. Because that sort of implies that the guy who works in the cafeteria doesn't know who the head of the Mars mission is. I guess he doesn't. But it also implies that the guy who's the head of the Mars mission doesn't have a map of Mars somewhere.

Which goes the long way. This actually is a very good scene of exposition because it does explain why this whole thing went pear-shaped. Because the guy who was the head of Mars missions doesn't have any maps of Mars. He has to steer one up a cafeteria wall. What a dickhead. Well, that'll do it. Again, best movie ever. I enjoyed it a lot. Would you recommend this for people to see?

I definitely would Yeah Cool A lot of heart A lot of good fun Yes Not quite a romp But I'll take it

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Whatever we call it Whatever we said last week. That's what it is. That's what it is. I'm doing the thing. What are we reading today? What are you reading? This week I'm...

Or what you gotta read. Oh, well this week what I'm reading is I watched the first episode and a half of the new season of Doctor Who. What did you think of it? I liked it. Me too. I actually had an email about that.

Do you want me to skip to it now? Yeah, go ahead. All right. Man, it's so much easier to read off this computer screen. If only they'd invented laptops before this episode. I know. But they hadn't. I'm glad I got the first one.

Dear James and Mason. Hello. What do you guys think of Doctor Who? Is that it know there's more i bet you mentioned in passing a few times but i'd love to know your opinions on the last series uh maybe the series as a whole the modern ones anyways and new ones though beloved show their age sorry the old ones though beloved show their age and most of the monsters are made of egg boxes and newspapers uh like you've said i like it you've said before that some of the episodes are

good and some of them aren't good and they're good at condensing all the classic Doctor Who stuff into a formula that works. Yes, and I felt that was actually one of the good elements of this first episode and a half. Again, it might all fall apart by the final act of the second episode, but I haven't watched that yet, so that's what I'm going to read. Yep. But I think this one felt very...

They went to Scarrow which is spoilers probably spoilers everybody's watched it it's two weeks in they went back to Scarrow

which is the home planet of the Daleks and it did really feel like that 60s vibe like all the architecture it did feel like an old episode of Doctor Who but then actually got

good special effects I'm enjoying this new episode this new version of the Doctor when I say new a season old because i didn't watch the previous season of doctor who no have you guys seen much of peter compaldi as the doctor i guess episode and a half yeah i watched last season and whatever the christmas special was sure uh i kind of feel like the latest series has been quite wanky e.g the first episode he comes out riding on the front

of a tank playing guitar it's like yeah you get it you want us to make us think the doctor is awesome but peter capaldi is like 87 years old and he has much more gravitas which they should play on rather than turning him into a dad trying to be cool well see that's a very good point look my one of the things that i don't like about doctor who generally is that the showrunner stephen moffat is clearly very much in love with the doctor yes the doctor's the best all the time. Yes. And nothing bad can happen to the Doctor. And he's like, every episode I've seen of Doctor Who...

He's infallible. He's infallible and... Fallible, thank you. Yes. He's infallible. Yes. But every episode I've seen, there's seemingly a bit where the Doctor's like, you're going to run from me because I'm the doctor.

And then the villains who've got the drop on him, who have all the guns drawn on him, who could just kill him straight away. They're like, oh no, it is the doctor. We just realized. We just realized and they run away. Like there's always one of those. And I hate that because that presupposes

there isn't somebody in the universe who A, hasn't heard of him, and B, just pulls the trigger. Yes. And it happens every week, so surely there's somebody who's got the drop on him, who's dumb enough to pull the trigger, and who has a gun that can just kill him and does. He should have been dead a long time ago.

Stop pulling that trick. Yeah, fair enough. Do it once. Do it once, I agree. When you say a gun that can kill him, do you just mean any gun? Yeah, any gun, because it's worked a lot of times. When you think about it, he's been killed. Remember that time he was killed by street toughs in San Francisco?

I do remember that, yes. He says, I kind of feel like the series might have benefited if they sealed Moffat in a metal container and fired him into the sun. Yes, please. Anyway, love the podcast, Keep Being Dickheads. Don't listen to the anti-Dickhead haters. Will from UK. And also, drawing on from that, there's also,

it's always like his companions are like, what can I do? The doctor's the best. I'll just hang out. But I thought Missy and... Clara. Clara were better written in this episode than they have been in past episodes that I've seen.

Again, maybe it'll fall apart in the rest of the season. I don't know yet. I feel like by making missy who was the master who was male yeah making a female i think i've said this before is setting up precedent for the doctor turning female in the future oh interesting okay i'm not saying the next one but i'm i think they're setting it up so when it does happen people will be like well it's gonna happen technically so that's what i think and i liked in this episode also that that missy she's she did this incredibly weird time shifting stunt just to get units attention like she sproes all the planes on earth just to be like hey you know kind of absolutely pay attention to me pay attention yeah yeah i i did i did like the first two episodes but i feel like it is kind of time for step Stephen Moffat to hand it over to somebody else.

Us? No. Yes, a guy who watches Doctor Who all the time, every episode, because he's compelled, because you don't want to be due anyway, and a guy who doesn't really like Doctor Who. That's who you should hand it over to. All the reasons that you said is like,

I'm not in a rush to keep watching it. Right, yeah. I probably will eventually get around to it, but I feel like every season is the same, and there's always an episode where it's like I'm not in a rush to keep watching it. Right. I probably will eventually get around to it, but I feel like every season is the same and there's always an episode where it's like, the Doctor's definitely going to die this time and it's been prophesied and he's coming to his death and whatever. And then it turns out he's in a robot version of himself or whatever.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like, yeah. Kind of the one time I thought they did it really well was when with the Matt Smith version where they put him in the box. Yeah. And there was this, they come across this Pandora's box. Oh, and it contains the ultimate evil.

It contains the ultimate evil and you wouldn't want to open it because it would just unleash this trickster devil force that would just rip through the galaxy. And it turns out there's nothing in it, but it's a box for him. And the villains consider him the ultimate villain in a way. Exactly. So they're going to trap him in it. That's like box for him. And the villains consider him the ultimate villain in a way. It's like they're going to trap him in it. That's like the one time. But like every other time it's just like, well, you're the best.

Yeah. But I think also in this, again, I haven't seen much of Capaldi as the Doctor, but I think in this, like I did feel that when he's on the tank and he's playing the guitar, you're right, bit wanky. But I'm like, but he's inherently uncool. Yeah, I guess so. This version of the Doctor and it was kind of played for laughs, I think. Okay, sure. And I think, I don't know if I'm like, but he's inherently uncool. Yeah, I guess so. This version of the Doctor and it was kind of played for laughs, I think.

Okay, sure. And I think, I don't know if I loved it. But also, here's another thing that I thought worked. Yeah. There's, we see a little bit of, we see a flashback. Like, we think Clara and Missy have been killed. Yeah. But then it turns out that they've done this trick.

Yeah. And we see a flashback to the Doctor. And they're like, okay, he gets attacked. Like, he's got, he's stolen this vortex manipulator and he's being attacked by the thing yeah how do you think he gets out of it i'm like well obviously he's used the powers like it's the same technology as the the villains he's going to use the technology to power the vortex he's going to use the technology from their lasers to power the vortex manipulator and escape sure and then that's what happened i'm like finally logic i mean not real logic but sci-fi logic and i'm like enough logic

yeah it because in any other scene in episode other episodes i've seen of doctor who yeah they'd be like how did he get out of it he believed in himself and he managed to escape or whatever he moved faster than the speed of light because he believed in himself or whatever absolutely well this works because it you know i have they changed riders? I don't know. They did. Before Stephen Moffat, there was, I can't remember his name. Russell T. Davis? Yes. He did most of the tenant stuff. Yeah.

But he, I think he left, he stayed on a little too long towards the end of the tenants run. And then it was good to see Russell T. Davis because I thought the Matt Smith stuff was initially strong. And then it just kind of hit and miss. Which is how I find this new one. I don don't know i think a lot of it like you said he's very in love with the doctor yeah and i think he's also there's a bit of he's because he's now older than the original doctor who was which is his name yes and paldy no no the original sorry stephen moffat is older now than the original Doctor Who was and I think a lot of it is also like

oh the guys are cool too look we're still got I think there might be a little bit of that and maybe maybe there isn't but maybe that's just me reading it yeah no he's

but he's no but I think it's I think he's in love with all his yeah every character he show runs yeah Jekyll Jekyll's terrible

yeah it's really bad but Sherlock as well because there's a whole yeah I like Sherlock a lot there's a whole episode in season two about how great Sherlock is. Remember that one where it's... I think that's every episode.

Yeah, it is every episode, but it's sort of, you need to give some room for the other characters to shine. Otherwise, what's the point? But there's that whole, there's the episode where you, he's facing his opposite number in, the female version of him,

whose name escapes me right now, that I should know. And she's got a phone, her phone is locked and it's got all the secrets in it or whatever and you're like oh she's the she's this independent woman and no man gonna tell her what to do or whatever but then it turns out her secret code is i am sherlock because that the phone says i am locked like no phone ever says ever and it's the password is i am sherlock because she loves him so much because he's the best person in the world or whatever that was when i knew i saw it coming and i'm like

do it do something else don't do it and then i'm like oh that ruined that season for me oh wow okay yeah yeah did you like moriarty i did a lot of people hated that characterization i liked it a lot i mean i'm interested to see how they bring him back in what capacity yeah because it's kind of left that in the cliffhanger because he shot himself in the head he did didn't he yeah but you know i i know it's a completely i know it's a departure and i'm but didn't mind it didn't mind that take but also i feel kind of like he was portraying like he moriarty was portraying a madman yes yeah sure that's fair enough do you like that he was a guy he played it was a bad guy in the late latest season he was all greasy i can't remember anyway chillock shot him in the head yeah that's anyway what i'm reading is captain america white oh yeah what

that that is you know how there's like they did spider-man blue or daredevil yellow yellow yellow it's um what's his name who did those who them? I can't remember. The guy did like The Long Halloween. Oh, Jeff Loeb? Yes. Okay. So he does all these Marvel series. He picks a Marvel character and then he puts a color on him. Great, sure, yeah.

I think it's Captain America White. Anyway, there's been two issues and I like all those kind of takes on. He does like origin stories of classic Marvel characters. Like Darwin Cook? No, Jeff Loeb. You'rewin cook no no i'm sure and but he sets them in kind of like their their golden era yep so you know he read he retell the origin of spider-man and it'll bring in a lot of the classic villains but it's so spider-man will be wearing an argyle sweater vest yes yeah and daredevil tells like the story of how him and foggy kind of got together and and met Karen Page and all that kind of stuff.

So yeah, yeah, it's, I'm hoping. So Captain America is set in the forties. I've just started it, but it's, it's a little bit now and then it cuts back to the forties with him and Foggy.

So I think, I think that's how it's most of it's done. Anyway, I've got a, what we read in here. Oh yeah. I recently discovered, Hey James and Mason.

This is from Natalie, the official grizzled law man of the podcast. I recently discovered... Hey, James and Mason. This is from Natalie, the official grizzled lawman of the podcast. Love it. I recently discovered that the grizzled lawman in North Wyoming in the TV show Longmire is played by Australia's own Robert Taylor. He's absolutely amazing in that show. It's a modern setting, but he plays an old school Western character. I would love to check him out in his natural accent. But most of his work is on Australian TV, and I know you guys say it's mostly awful.

Could you please let me know if any of those are good? right do you know this guy is no you know who he was he was one of agent smith's agents in the first matrix you know this guy i got a picture of him here oh yeah i recognize him yeah he's been a lot of stuff so what i'm going to do i'm going to read through his imdb okay and you're going to tell me whether they're good or not okay good so good. So Australian stuff, presumably. Presumably, yeah. Focus. Haven't seen it. Haven't seen it.

Mr. and Mrs. Murder. Oh, the Sean McArthur show. The Sean McArthur one. Is that good? I watched one episode. It was pretty good. Okay. It was in Underbelly Files.

Tell Them Lucifer Was Here, TV movie. Never heard of it. Underbelly quickly went off the rails. Yeah, first one was pretty good. Yeah. And then from there. Coffin Rock. Never heard of it. Underbelly quickly went off the rails. Yeah, first one was pretty good. Yeah, and then from there. Coffin Rock. Never heard of it. City...

Look, I'm looking at it, I've never heard of any of these. I saw Rogue, I can't remember who he... Look. Rogue's great. Yeah, I know. Rogue is about a giant

alien crocodile. Yes, it is. And that's it. That's all it's about. Yeah. And it's pretty good, man. It's got Michael Vartan in it from Alias.

Sure, it does too. I think he's, yeah. France's own Michael Vartan in it from Alias. Sure, it does too. I think he's, yeah. France's own Michael Vartan. He's in City Homicide, which I don't know what that is. It was a police procedural drama. Great. On like Channel 7. It had, what's his face in it?

Who? The Great Aussie Joke Guy. Oh, Shane. Shane Bourne. Shane Bourne. Yeah, he was in City Homicide. Nobody cares about this. I know.

He was in the Ned Kelly movie, which is great. He was in Ballycus Angel. Okay, we've mentioned on the show Hey Hey It's Saturday, which is the incredibly bizarre primetime variety chat hour that had puppets and a weird head on a stick and a cartoonist and a guy that just said off color comments like, like over the PA or whatever. Anyway,

Shane Bourne was on that show. He, every week he told the great Aussie joke, which was a different joke, which presumably now we'd look back and be like, oh, that's a bit racist. And anyway,

he was also on a show called city homicide, which is a police procedural show that also had this guy we're talking about. Anyway. Great. We've made the link with Kevin Bacon we have stingers oh yeah

good guys bad guys oh yeah the thorn birds so he was in a lot of Australian police procedurals yes I bet he was in Blue Heelers let me check

yeah he was awesome good good okay we've all been in a way we've all been on Blue Heelers in a way we have

yeah okay hey last letter hey James and Mason. Huge fan of the show. It was Agent Jones. Yeah, he was. I figured he would have been Agent Brown.

No. There you go. He's not in the other Matrix movies. I think he's killed. Oh, no, they upgrade the agents in between. Yeah, but they're just generic guys. Yeah, they are, yeah. I listen every Monday without fail.

I listen every Monday without fail, sorry. I was just wondering what you both think is the greatest use of animatronics in film. I personally think John Carpenter's The Thing is by far the best, and that would be because it's my favourite film of all time. Call me biased, who cares? Let me know what you think. Also, can I be the official Scottish haggis of the podcast? Love, Bri Bri.

We might actually already have an official haggis, but not a Scottish haggis. Good to specify. The Thing obviously stands out. Oh, absolutely. There's that movie that they did, the people who did all the animatronics. The Thing obviously stands out. Oh, absolutely. There's that movie that they did, the people who did all the animatronics in The Thing and then they started,

they did a lot of them for The Thing remake, but then they put CGI over most of them and ruined it. But they made a movie with Lance Henriksen. It's a horror movie set on a ship. It's called The Signal, I want to say. Okay, yeah. And it's just all practical effects. Yep. And I think it all practical effects. Yep.

And I think it was like a VOD kind of thing. Uh-huh. Well, it counts. It's like a good kind of throwback to the thing. Well, I kind of think that animatronics peaked maybe in the 90s. What about you bloody, your Hellboy?

Oh, yeah. Good animatronics in that. Yeah. Aliens, fantastic. Sure. Bit of animatronics. What else? The thing is, good animatronics in that yeah Aliens fantastic sure bit of animatronics um what else the thing is

the thing is excellent in terms of just sort of sheer creativity absolutely and just dogs heads splitting open dogs heads splitting people's heads falling off

and then growing tentacle legs yeah like guys chests opening up and biting your arms off yeah oh man it's such a good movie

I'd like to do an episode on the thing and also the sequel. I think it's not without merit. Finger ding ding. Finger ding ding. Here's the second thing. Yeah, very good. Yeah, I don't know.

The Owlboy definitely for me stands out. I feel like Jumanji probably had a lot of that. Oh, yeah. Jurassic Park. Yeah. Great animatronics in all them movies. Oh, yeah. I don't know. That'll about do it. Yoda, obviously, I guess. That's an animatronic in all dem movies oh yeah I don't know

that'll about do it Yoda obviously I guess that's an animatronic sure yeah well there's a difference isn't there between puppeteering and animatronics

American Werewolf in London there's a good one like that is a bad movie yes but the last 10 minutes is hilarious but the actual

like the transformation yeah is like sickening and kind of that is some good animatronics there. I completely agree.

Like it's not like, because now if you got a werewolf in a movie. The werewolf movie with Benicio Del Toro. Yeah, just CGI it. Yeah. But I think American Werewolf in London, like you see like bones break. Yeah. Kind of snouts tear out of faces and stuff like that. Like that's a solid one.

What about Evil Ed's werewolf transformation in Fright Night? I can't remember but i bet it's real good i agree with you yeah i wish you'd do an episode on that actually practical effects at some point but yeah anymore at the top yet

terminate so yeah it's good practical yeah it's pretty good all right that's the show for this week we did it yep what do you want to do next week take a week off now just kidding just kidding do another

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that's alright doesn't matter we'll do it next week next week yeah a letters theme yeah freestyle

yes or unless you want to pitch a movie idea or a comic idea or a book idea Doesn't matter. We'll do it next week. Next week. Yeah. And a letters theme. Yeah. Freestyle? Yes. Unless you want to pitch a movie idea or a comic idea or a book idea. Because what we'd have to do is I'd have to, because the premise, for anybody who hasn't listened to this before, the premise is that every week James refuses to edit in a letters theme. Correct. So I ask the listeners to make their own letters theme, put it on YouTube, tweet it at me. Yes.

Which they have done this week, but we forgot to do it. I'm sorry. So the only way we can, in fact, put it back in this episode is if we did it after the fact and then you edited in that whole segment, which would be more work. That's right, exactly. Which would break the whole premise of the bit.

Correct. So we can't do it this week, but we'll do it next week. Sorry, because letters and what we read and kind of blended together today. They did, didn't they? So that's on me. Great. Sorry, because letters and what we read and kind of blended together today. They did, didn't they? Yeah. That's on me. Great. Thanks, everybody.

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