The Weekly Planet - 109 Best/Worst CGI Characters, Warcraft & Star Wars!

Episode Date: November 9, 2015

In addition to talking the best and worst CGI characters we get into the brand new Warcraft trailer, the international Star Wars trailer and Doctor Strange kicking into gear.Plus do you like the new Supergirl series?Well Mason tells you why you're wrong. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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We're doing it again. Things are going to get crazy. The same. Crazy. The same. Pretty much the same, yeah. Except you'll definitely hear the moment where we both get too tired. We're just like, oh, what else have you...

How many things have we talked about? That's enough. Is this an acceptable amount of time for whatever this is? Straight to the news. Yes. Before we fade away. Yeah. Did you see the Doctor Strange on set photos for the movie Doctor Strange for Marvel?

Yes. Beardy. Beardy. Cumberbatch. Yes. Baron Mordo also. I didn't see that. Yeah, yeah.

He looks good. Chiwetel Ejiofor. I didn't see any of that. It's very kind of Baron Mordo. It's like a greenish kind of cloak. Oh, sure. You know how Doctor Strange is kind of cobbled together? He looks like someone's fan fiction version of Doctor Who, I want to say.

That makes sense. Starring Benedict Cumberbatch. Absolutely, very accurate. And Baron Mordo's all good looking, he's nice, crisp and clean robes and whatever. Because for those in the know, including you, he's like his rival wizard, isn't he? They're wizard rivals. They're wizard rivals. Yeah, that's right.

What do you think about the look for Doctor Strange? Well, look, if you've got two wizard rivals, you want them to look distinct, don't you? Definitely. Yeah. For the action figures. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see he had bandages on his hands?

Yes. Because Doctor Strange has the broken hands. But in one of the shots he had like it looked like kind of blue screen kind of tape over his fingers so i presume they're going to do some like they're going to really like break his fingers oh okay by cgi and not by real life like they would have done in the 80s absolutely they're going to get a stuntman broken some fingers yeah yeah that's it looks looks pretty good i mean from what we've seen which is some photos nothing yeah long way away beard what do you think yeah good i mean it's he's like

obviously before he's ready to go kind of before he before he carves it into the horseshoe we've talked about this though do you think they can do that because or is it too close to the robert downey jr kind of goatee so they have to to be like, we're going to have to do a different type of beard? They're going to have to do it. I cannot wait to see what they come up with. What are they going to do? What magic. It's very exciting.

So that comes out. What, next year? Something like that. That'll be a good one, maybe. Who knows? It's pretty exciting, isn't it? Yeah. Speaking of exciting and beards.

Yes, uh-huh. Preacher trailer. That's out. We've seen the, we saw the teaser to the teaser I didn't but Well I've heard nothing but how many seconds it is

And then we got the whatever full minute and a half maybe it was You know what's most interesting about this particular trailer Yes I mean no We don't really get any sense

of the supernatural part of that world No We get a little bit of vampiric kind of stuff. Yep, yep. Like a teeny tiny bit. But the overarching idea of Preacher is that this being has come down and it's gone into the body of the Preacher.

And he encounters all kinds of supernatural weirdness. And he's got supernatural powers. Yep. We don't see any of that in the trailer. No. Or the white jeans. We don't see any white jeans either. Yeah, what do you think about the casting?

Do you think it fits? Because some people said, isn't he supposed to be like older and more grizzled? I haven't read it. So I cannot judge. I always picture him as quite young. Okay, sure. But he's a young guy, but he's done some stuff.

Yes, exactly. Yeah. It works. When I heard it was Dominic Cooper, I didn't think he could pull it off. Because I see him mostly as either Howard Stark or Ian Fleming in that biopic. I was going to say the guy who flings coins at Dracula in Dracula Untold. Also that, yeah.

But a bit, you know. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I don't love his Howard Stark. No. It's a bit like, hey, doll, I'm't love his Howard Stark. No. It's a bit like, hey, doll, I'm doing a Robert Downey Jr. impression or whatever. Yeah, exactly. But in the 40s.

Yeah, it's very meh-shy. Yeah, exactly. It's a little bit James Cagney kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. And it doesn't... Which I guess works for what they're doing in this hyper-realistic 1940s comic book world. Yeah. Whatever. But it doesn't, it also, it doesn't,

like you don't see the transition from this weird Lothario kind of character to the version you see in, say, Iron Man 2. The John Slattery. Yeah, the John Slattery where he's all stern and I love you. His head is a completely different shape. Exactly. For one. Yeah.

But yeah. But generally though, I like him in things Whenever I see him I'm not like This guy Yeah But no He seems like he's now the accent

He's got a bit of kind of menace Behind his Behind his voice and persona Yeah You see him break a dude's arm He's got that stubble He does have that stubble But yeah

Like watching that I went and then Read the synopsis of Preacher On like Wikipedia And be like What is this about? Because it doesn't... You don't get no sense of that in the trailer, yeah. It's like, is this The Walking Dead?

It could be a Walking Dead spinoff, couldn't it? Yeah, yeah. But no, that being said, yeah, it looks good. It looks good enough. I'll watch it. But I do get the sense that there's just going to be a lot of faffing about before we get to the actual plot. Yeah, okay. Which is the... We talked about it last week. I do get the sense that there's just going to be a lot of faffing about before we get to the actual plot. Yeah. Okay.

We talked about it last week. I guess we can spoil it with the thing that happens with his congregation. Yeah. See, I would have thought that they would have started with that and then maybe kind of flash back to it during the season. Sure. When he was preaching. But what do I know? I'm just a humble podcaster.

Anyway. Yeah. It's more television news? I'm just a humble podcaster. Anyway. Yeah. It's more television news. I'm ready. Star Trek is headed back to... Did you say Star Trek? Star Trek. Get onto it.

Okay, sure. Do some training first, obviously. Stretch. And then Star Trek. No, Star Trek is heading back to... You said it again. I did. I said Star Trek.

Jeez. Don't give me that face. Yeah, so Star Trek Thank you. is heading back to television. CBS specifically. Okay. What era of Star Trek is it?

Well, I don't know. All I know is that Alex Kurtzman, who co-wrote the two latest Star Treks, will serve as executive producer on the film. And that's all we know. They're just like, that's going to continue the legacy that started in 66, which means it could go in any era.

Could, couldn't it? Probably not the Enterprise era, which is the last one with Scott Bakula. Or everybody's pretending that one didn't exist. I don't know if that's true, though. I'm sure there's people who love that. I don't doubt it. That was the last TV show, though, wasn't it?

Yes. Yeah. When that one got cancelled, Star Trek had been on since the 80s, hadn't it? Like, there'd always been a show on. There'd always been a Star Trek, yeah. Always. Yeah, when the bloody Picard and Data and Geordi LaForge picked it up and whatever, you know? What did you call that last one?

Geordi LaForge. Geordi LaForge. Did he? Yes. Look, he call that last one? Geordie LaForge. Geordie LaForge. Did he? Yes. Look, he doesn't know that though, does he, that I said that? We'll soon find out. I have no doubt that somebody will find LeVar Burton at a convention and play that clip of you mispronouncing his character name

just for a reaction vid. Look, I know him most from the community. He's brought up a lot in that. And he's great in that. You happy to see it back in some form or another? I don't care. In your face. In your face, Star Trek.

Look, I don't know. I feel like it belongs on television in a lot of ways. And not at the movies. No, it definitely can work in the movies. But the television series is kind of what people kind of respond to the most, I would say. The movies are very hit and miss, especially a lot of the newer ones. I find the TV series are kind of hit and miss as well, though.

You've got, like, you know, the next generation was kind of consistently the best one. Yeah, yeah. Now that I think about it, it was a very, it's kind of a, like a decline in quality as they,

as they went on. Okay. Deep Space Nine also pretty good. Yeah. When followed some different themes. Voyager

didn't really make any sense. Okay. And then Enterprise. Which one was Voyager? Voyager was the one where Voyager got't really make any sense. Okay. And then Enterprise. Which one was Voyager? Voyager was the one where Voyager got caught in a... No. Voyager was the one...

Go on. ...where there was an alien creature called the... An alien intelligence called the Caretaker... Yep. ...that took Voyager from the Alpha alpha quadrant of the galaxy to the gamma quadrant of the galaxy okay and then the voyager got into some troubles in the gamma quadrant wait or the delta quadrant a different quadrant different quadrant from the one they started in unfamiliar quadrant unfamiliar quadrant and then they're like well now we've got it and then they're

like well we've got a we've got to save everybody in this, now we've got it. And then they're like, well, we've got to save everybody in this quadrant now. We've got to voyage through or whatever. Yeah. And we can't go back through the machine because then bad guys on this side would use it. So we've got to blow it up from this side and then voyage back home. Why can't they go through it and then blow it up from the other side? Precisely. Why can't they go through?

Why can't they leave, I don't know, a photon torpedo on a timer? Yep, sure. Exactly. So imagine me watching the first episode of that, having that thought in my head, and then have the series going for like seven more years. Like every time I watch the episode, I'm like, but why didn't they just put it on a timer?

They could probably still do it. Wait, no, they blew it up. Yeah. Okay, so which is the one where they're parked near a wormhole? That's Deep Space Nine. And that's a good one, isn't it? It's pretty good, yeah. Yeah, that's...

Interesting. Yeah. And Enterprise is like the... It had a delightful CGI character in it. Interesting. In Odo. That was post... It was post-Terminator 2, so he was...

He did a lot of morphing. He did a lot of morphing. Every show needed a morphing shapeshifter character. Absolutely. Well, that sounds like really something. Enterprise wasn't that great from what I've heard. I've heard it's okay. I think the issue with Enterprise was that we'd had Next Generation and Deep Space Nine and Voyager set

in this super advanced future. And then we had them going on adventures sort of more basic, because the technology wasn't as advanced. Yeah, it's set before the Shatner era. Yes, exactly. By a hundred or so years. Something like that, yeah. But he's also mentioned in the Star Trek reboot.

They mention him because Kirk does something to his dog. Oh, boy. Or something like that. I don't know. I can't remember. I'm fairly certain he comes up. So maybe... Captain Archer.

Yeah, I'm fairly certain he comes up. Okay. Yeah, I might be wrong. But I think that... I don't know. I think people didn't respond to this nearer to the present future. And so they had to throw in all sorts of time travel shenanigans towards the end.

Which is weird because people love prequels. Did Worf show up as he did in everything? He's like, Worf's here now. In every series, there's an episode called Worf's here now. That's pretty good. Great. You like Worf? I do like Worf.

Yeah. He had a lot of anger in him. Good for him. All right. Now, there was a new Star Wars trailer, surprisingly, that dropped this week after they said no more Star Wars trailers. Well, this is the international trailer. This is the Japanese trailer.

It is. Yeah. I have deliberately not watched it. Sure. Now, as someone who has watched it, I assume. Yes. I can't believe you didn't watch my patented video, whatever I call those videos, breakdowns.

Come and check it out. Oh, did you do another one? I did, yeah, yeah. It came out and I just went, for fuck's sake. I'm like, I'm going to have to do this now. I'm trapped in a web of my own making. But it's not as well cut as the other ones. It's like it's weirdly kind of strung together scenes.

There's a lot of new footage. It doesn't really spoil anything. But I would say, you know what? If you haven't watched it, you don't need to watch it. I would say don't watch it if I were you. For me, I think this is it. I saw an article today that was titled like find out what finn's origin is he's the stormtrooper and i'm like you know what that's

my line i'm done so you don't you don't you don't see his origin in this trailer no no but there is mention of like where ray might have been from this particular scene which you probably saw the thumbnail for which is which is a pretty which will be a pretty significant somebody's all i've seen that thumbnail yeah so yeah okay but you know what you don't need yeah my limit was the previous trailer yeah i want to go into it with an open mind absolutely but and i don't want to i don't want to go into it going okay this is probably the scene where this happens yes exactly i find though with movies if they're good i genuinely don't find myself doing that like i just kind of go with it and i forget until like what if this movie isn't good then i'll know won't i yeah you should like where's

the bit yeah where's the bloody bit find myself yelling where's the bit then i'll know something's up there was the bit where's wharf is wharf here But in addition to the trailer, there was a whole lot of new posters. Did you see any of those? I saw all the posters. Yeah, you did. That's good. I mean, they're just faces, aren't they? They're just faces.

Everybody's got their signature weapon. Weapon or whatever. Han Solo's got his little blaster. He does. Princess Leia's got a series of screens, one assumes. Some sort of heads-up display. Yeah, like screens Yes One assumes Some kind of Some sort of heads up display Yeah like a rebel commander base kind of Kind of your Yavin 4 or your Hoth base kind of

Kind of situation going on Finn and Rey have the staff and the lightsaber Kylo Ren's got his jaggedy lightsaber Yeah And there's probably another one isn't there Admiral Ackbar Yes Do you know what I found out this week?

What's that? Admiral Ackbar is a puppet and not a guy in a suit. Wow. My whole world. I thought you'd be more impressed. What a man-sized puppet. Apparently. But is he man-sized?

Or is he just really close to the camera? We don't know. We don't know. How'd you find this out? It's on Collider Jedi Council. It's a great Star Wars podcast for news and whatever. And revelations. And revelations.

I might be doing a video with Christian Harloff, who's a guy from it, at some point. We're going to be meeting to tee it up. Yeah, he brought that up and I'm like, oh, my world. My entire world. My universe. As I mentioned, my first exposure to Star Wars was an Admiral Ackbar action figure.

Oh, action figure. Action, yeah. And apparently he's back for this new one, so that's very exciting. Yeah. He's a good dude, by all accounts. I don't know. He might be some kind of Hitler from his species, but I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah, great. Star Wars. Star Wars. Did you hear that Disney might be retiring the slave layer? Oh, yeah, yeah. The costume, the whole... What are your thoughts on that? Seems unnecessary.

To retire it or to make an announcement that they're retiring it? Or just to have it in general? I think if they stopped stocking it at costume stores, people would be like, what's going on? Sure. An investigation is required. Yeah. But I feel like you could get that if you wanted to.

Like costumes, like stores would still make it. Oh, they'd make like intergalactic princess costumes. Exactly, yeah. Okay. Exactly. Woman who's captured. Sure, yeah. Swimwear.

Yeah. Things like that. Yeah. Miami Beach in space and you're in jail. Yeah, whatever. I don't care. I think that there's been a big push and I think a lot of this comes from I think JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy and that to get kind of bring women to the forefront of Star Wars and and and things like that and I know Carrie Fisher was never kind of happy

that her character didn't kind of get developed like everybody kind of has an arc and Carrie Fisher's is kind of like third one she's like I'm captured again yeah no bikini like yeah like you know like Luke got to be like you know he grew as a person and Han Solo he kind of learned more about him as it kind of unfolds and at least cut one of her arms or legs off yes exactly that's a character art that's a funny character choppity chop mate yeah so I can understand why they would but nobody really seemed to complain people like yeah it's fine, I guess. What, are they going to bring that back?

Exactly. Are they going to put someone else in it? It's not going to happen. But I guess if you are upset and you own something like that, that's probably just increased in value. So there you go, mate. Stockpile. Stockpile, exactly.

Bloody hoard it. Squirrel it away. Another big trailer this week, and this kind of got stomped on by Star Wars Because that international one got released A few hours before this one The Warcraft trailer Yes For the World of Warcraft movie

That's just called Warcraft Yeah Not Warcraft the beginning or something? No it's just Just World of Warcraft No it's just Warcraft Okay Yeah

Just Warcraft Just Warcraft The next one will be titled something different But just Warcraft no it's just Warcraft okay yeah just Warcraft just Warcraft the next one will be titled something different but just Warcraft yeah what are your thoughts

look I think so I went to I went to YouTube and I typed in Warcraft trailer what a journey what a story thank you

thank you I hope everyone's happy but below the actual trailer is there's an IGN put out a video a day ago and it says 23 things you missed from the

Warcraft movie trailer. They're bloody stepping up. I know. Well, you do usually do about six. They're like, we're going to, we're going to bring the,

we're going to bring the IGN machine down on this Mr. Sunday movies. Let's do, I don't think they've got anything to worry about. Let's do 17 more things than he does. But I look, I went and I clicked and it was like, okay, here we go. Here it is.

And we're talking about the trailer. And look at this. Here's this spire that's in this city. Maybe it's the Dromundsman. Maybe it's the Flurbal Glurbal. They're both important aspects of the Warcraft mythology. And I'm like, no, I'm done. Stop.

Okay, right, yeah. So look, clearly I'm missing a lot of things. Absolutely. I don't know. I don't know that universe. Yeah. Somebody sent me a video and I apologize for who this is and I will watch it. It's like a 40-minute summary of the Warcraft universe.

And it starts off and I opened it. I won't have time to watch it now, but I will. And it's like, at the beginning of time, there are seven elementals. And I'm like, no, fuck, no. I can't fucking... I'll come back to this. Like, I can't be dealing with this right now. Yes.

And you know what? I think Duncan Jones is smart enough to work in the law, but not beat you over the head with it. Do you know what I'm saying? I don't know. He's not going to... Look, Duncan Jones is smart enough that he's not just going to kick in the door of your house and beat your head in with a shovel.

He knows that murder is against the law, so he's not going to do it. Bless you, Duncan Jones. You're a hero. You're a genius. But I think they'll kind of hint towards the backstory, like maybe where it all starts or whatever. But my understanding is this one starts when the orcs and the humans' worlds collide, which is how the Warcraft started.

Now, yes. Is it dimension... Are they colliding dimensionally? It seems that way, yeah. I mean, I'm not the authority on this. Seems you are, though. I guess I am, in a way. Did you ever play the Warcraft games?

I did, very briefly, but as I mentioned before, I'm more of a dungeon-keeper man. I played Warcraft 2. Yeah. And then I briefly went back and played Warcraft 1, which was not as good. No. And then I didn't go to World of Warcraft because it seems like something that would have destroyed my whole life.

Yes. You know what I mean? Well, a lot of actors are kind of... Henry Cavill is a big fan. Of playing World of Warcraft? Yeah. Apparently he lost... No, he didn't lose.

He missed Zack Snyder's call for Man of Steel because he was playing World of Warcraft? Yeah, apparently he lost... No, he didn't lose. He missed Zack Snyder's call for Man of Steel because he was playing World of Warcraft. So yeah, there's a lot of famous people that are super into it and still are. Whenever there's a World of Warcraft expansion or whatever, it's everywhere. People bloody love it. They're in for it.

There's all sorts of raids that are happening. So many raids. Yeah. Liches. Liches, probably. Like a bear or something, but it's got wings and you fly on it. That's in it, isn't it? Are you looking at the trailer now?

I'm looking at the trailer. There's a bloody, some sort of floaty castle. Some blokes that look like Aragorn. Yeah. There's a lot of blokes that look like Aragorn. There's bloody, what's his name from Preacher in it? Dominic Cooper. Yeah, he's in it.

Is he like the king? Let's assume yes. Why is he, is he supposed to be older than the other guy? Mason's shaking his head. Who's to say? Yeah. Now, who did the special effects in... That's a very good question. I want to say Weta by the look of it, but I couldn't...

What do you think generally? Special effects-wise? People are not that impressed. Some people are. I think they're really, really solid, especially considering that most of those characters and backgrounds are CGI. So this isn't a,

we've found some nice places in New Zealand and we're gonna no that's my understanding of it is that no almost none of it is yeah i mean i'm sure there's sets and whatever but i think a lot of the outdoor stuff is is indoor that's why that's my look i haven't been following it that closely i can tell you to be honest but i was gonna say i think the orcs we've never kind of seen a creature that looks like that yes kind of lumber around And they don't look real in the sense that I've never seen something that looks like that. Kind of walk around and have a voice. Do you know what I mean?

No one's ever kicked your door in and tried to beat you to death with a shovel. But no, I think generally it looks really good. Let me just look up. The characters do have a lot of weight to them. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. We've got a little Moses kind of situation. Somebody's putting their orc baby in a little boat and pushing it down a river. We've got a little Moses kind of situation. Somebody's putting

their orc baby in a little boat and pushing it down a river. There's a half-orc, half-human as well in it. He's the pink-seeing one. Yes, but there's also

like a girl who's in like a cage. I'm sure she's somebody important. I hope people enjoy this expert analysis we're doing of the Warcraft trailer.

There's a guy. There's another. There's another. There's a guy. Some of this, although there seems to be a meeting of the good guys and the bad guys yes when i say good guys and bad guys they're both kind of good guys yeah they're sort of pitching because obviously you've got fans of warcraft yeah you've got players who who are he plays human and players who plays like the orcs yes so you can't like people would be up in arms if you play as the orcs. Yes. So you can't...

Like, people would be up in arms if you were like, the orcs are definitely the bad guys. Yeah. But I think that might... Industrial Light and Magic, sorry. They're doing special effects. I've heard they're pretty good. I've heard they've got some things under their belt.

Mm-hmm. But I was going to say... But what were you saying, sorry? I was going to say some of this... Like, there is this meeting of the orcs and the humans in some sort of quarry or bloody mountainside kind of situation. It looks a little, I don't know, it looks a little green screen-y. Sure. Some of this is going to be better than others.

No doubt. But look, we've got to remember as well, it's not our tool. I really want it to be good for the sake of video game movies, also for the sake of people the millions of people who love this universe sure and i think seeing something that people really love and really into come to the movies and be treated seriously and to do well that must be you know i'd imagine that would be something you know yeah yeah people would be wrapped about do you think do you think it's being pitched as lord of the rings but for idiots or maybe Lord of the Rings but for idiots? Or maybe Lord of the Rings but for the less pretentious.

Yeah, maybe. Or Lord of the Rings but none of this walking about just smashing stuff. I get a kind of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes vibe. Like there's villains on both sides. You can see that both are trying to survive but things are going to come to a head because there's a dickhead on both teams who can't help but fire a machine gun into the air or whatever, just mess up everything.

It looks interesting. Yeah, it does. I'm definitely interested in this and I will definitely see it. But I wouldn't say the buzz in it is huge. Like it's not everywhere the way that like say the Star Wars trailer lands and it's everywhere, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd think with this sort of thing you'd put out $100 million of marketing

and hope for the best, right? I mean, there's a franchise in this. Yeah, definitely. If it goes well. But you know what? If this doesn't go well, how badly does this damage video game movies? Like, say this goes the way of...

Well, not at all. Sorry. You're right. I mean, they can't go any further. You're saying that this is the one chance to elevate video game movies. One of. There's Assassin's Creed coming out as well. Yeah, okay.

Have you seen Assassin's Creed Syndicate? Looks real good. The new game. Yeah. I'm done with those. Really? Yeah, I can't. I heard this one's really good.

I don't care. As someone who hasn't, wow. As someone who played like 10 minutes of the first one, this one actually was really good. Was that in my place? Yeah, it was, yeah. Where you're like, why is this old man talking to you? Why do I have to push people aside?

Why is there so much fog? I've talked about this before. I got to three and then I met George Washington and I'm like, that's about it. But apparently the pirate one's really good. Black Flag. But this one looks good. It's Victorian London. Yep. Look a real nice. Black Flag. Yeah. But this one looks good. It's Victorian London.

Yep. Look a real nice. Look a real nice. I think it's on my list of must-haves once I finally get a current generation system. Sure. Also, there's a lot of murder ballads in it. Oh. As written by Australian musical comedy group Tripod.

I like Tripod. Yeah. So that's what they've been up to. Yeah, they've been writing murder ballads for this game. Yeah, I know the last one was really poorly received because they kind of put it out when it was really buggy and clearly unfinished. Right.

And that left a real... Because they've been doing them year to year. Yes. And that left a bad taste in people's mouths. And, yeah, I mean, hey, it happens. You're done. You don't care anymore. I don't.

Look, and if one... But every time I kind of picked one up and played it, it's roughly the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, okay. The mechanics are solid, but I don't feel like it's made enough leaps and bounds for me to jump back on board at this point. Jump back into the big bale of hay that is the Assassin's Creed series.

That's right. Look, I just want to play Uncharted 4. That's all. That's what I got my PS4 for and for Batman, which I haven't really gone back to that much, actually, because of the tank shit. Yeah, okay. But yeah, good on Warcraft.

But I'm saying with Warcraft, if this misses, that's a big swing and a miss. Do you know what I mean? Like, not a lot of people are going to be clamoring to get their bloody video game movies off the ground. Well, Uncharted movie. Yeah, well, that's true. But you wouldn't need to put a budget like...

That Warcraft looks like it's a $200 million movie, minimum. But, you know, we'll see, won't we? Yeah, we will. Fantastic. Well, Warcraft has a lot of CGI characters in it, doesn't it? Oh, can we tell... You want a smoothly segue, but I won't let you. I was trying to.

You're trying to smoothly segue, but it's not going to happen because I... Did you see the Dead Evil Season 2 trailer? Yes. Was that out this week? It might have been out last week. Yeah, yeah. We didn't talk about it, though. Bit of Elektra.

Yeah. The Punisher's in it. Yes, he is. Jon Berenthal from The Walking Dead. He looks good. Yeah. Looks like he's... What else is in it? What things did you miss? No, that's about it. See the Punisher skull. He looks good. Yeah. Looks like he's... What else is in it?

What things did you miss? No, that's about it. See the Punisher skull? Yeah, yeah. That's just an x-ray of someone's skull. That is. Do you think they're going to explain the t-shirt again, or do you think he's just going to wear it?

I think he's just going to wear it. That's how you should do it. Yeah. Unless he's in some sort of... Like he tumbles into the medical examiner's office, and just, he accidentally tumbles into a, he grabs the x-ray off the, off the, Still wet?

Yeah, still wet and he tumbles into a screen printing machine or something, you know? Nah, don't do it. Don't do it. Yeah, because that was the,

you hated that bit from the first Punisher movie, not the Dolph Lundgren one, sorry, the second Punisher movie. The Thomas Jane one, yeah. Where the kid's like, this skull t-shirt will protect you dad he's like this

this for you dad I got it at the when would I ever wear when would I ever wear a t-shirt with a skull on it I love you son I love you I love you so much it turns out it's his favourite t-shirt I'll put

this away in a drawer that's a very odd gift for a kid to give their father. What's wrong with socks? What's wrong with the kid? He's dead. That's what's wrong with him. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah.

Or maybe they'll do it with CGI. Anyway, there's a lot of CGI in movies lately, isn't there? There certainly is. You somehow did it. Smoother than mine, if you can believe it. Yeah, well, we thought this week, with bloody CGI characters and Warcraft. We thought we'd give Spectre a miss,

primarily because we said, hey, Sony, you got our tickets to Spectre? And they're like, we forgot, lol. Yeah, pretty much. You've made a powerful enemy, Sony. Two actual idiots. Two legit morons. Anyway, we'll see Spectre next week.

Yeah, absolutely. Everybody wants to watch Spectre in the interim. From everything I've heard about it, good and bad, I feel like I'm going to have a lot of stuff to say about Spectre. So anyway, weekly whack-a-doodles. If you love us, you'll watch Spectre this week. Yes. And we'll talk about it at length next week.

Or if you don't care about Spect about it at length next week or if you don't care about specter let me skip next week's episode yeah i just meant or don't see it no no skip no no skip every episode yeah until something until until we talk about a topic you enjoy something that passes your fancy yeah yeah fx is the veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost.

FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. So, look, CGI characters have... Spectre might have some CGI in it. We're back in. You've done it again. Not a lot, but maybe. Probably some muzzle flashes.

Probably, yeah. Maybe, yeah. So, look, CGI characters have been... I hear they explain how he gets the car. No, they don't. No, they don't. Do they really? No, I'm saying, like, no, they don't. Like, they don't. No, I'm saying like, no, they don't.

Like, please, do they not? Yeah, apparently that answers all my questions about his Aston Martin. Fantastic. I bet some of those CGI, those stunt sequence have CGI in them. We're back in. We've done it again. We're back in. But yeah, so CGI characters have been around since, well, actually.

Since the incredible Crash Dummies animated series. You get your VHS with your bloody favourite action figure. But no, in the 80s, actually, there was a young Sherlock Holmes movie where a stained glass window comes to life. Oh, I remember that. Yeah, but we're not talking that so much. We're talking kind of fully kind of fleshed out CGI characters. Okay.

Do you want to go with that? And suppose just be like well remember that remember the cgi characters in monsters inc yeah no like they're all cgi yeah and i'm not yeah so i'm not talking maybe things with like personality i guess sure like a stained glass window exactly remember to do all your homework young sherlock holmes i'm a stained glass window what a classic movie be good to your parents do you have parents who knows

you're Sherlock Holmes nobody knows anything about your backstory don't do heroin please oh too late you're onto it already started early

I'm gonna say one of the early pioneers of CGI character technology incredible crash dummies yes I was gonna say the dancing baby from Ally McBeal oh wow I think that popular one of the early pioneers of CGI character technology. Incredible Crash Dummies. Yes, I was going to say the dancing baby from Ally McBeal. Oh, wow. I think that popularized it in television.

Even at the time. Callista Flockhart's back in a big way. We'll talk about it later. Yeah, absolutely we will. But even when that CGI baby... Spoiler alert. Oh, dear. I mean, oh, maybe.

Which way's my thumb pointing? I don't know. Is it up or is it way down? We'll find out next week on The Spectre Show. But probably this week. Yeah, even at the time I was like, that's a weird dead-eyed baby. I hate that.

Like straight away. Like I hated it then. I hate it now. I just don't like it at all. So do you think the key to a good CGI character is some non-dead eyes? Definitely. And good teeth, which we'll get to.

Because there was a point where teeth kind of crossed the threshold where we went into good teeth. Are we going to talk about the Uncanny Valley? Absolutely, we should. I don't know. That may have been debunked recently. Was everybody in Ally McBeal having a stroke? Is that what that show was?

Oh, is that why everybody saw a dancing baby? Yeah. You know, I don't, maybe it was the stress of lawyer life. Yeah, I guess.

That is a metaphor. Maybe it's the stress of like somebody hearing you go to the toilet in that unisex bathroom. That's probably it, yeah.

Robert Downey Jr. was in that. He was, it was his low point, it was his lowest point. No, actually it wasn't because he gotey Jr. was in that. He was. It was his low point. It was his lowest point. No, actually it wasn't because he got fired for drug use, then he went to jail. So someone argued. Probably jail was his lowest point, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I meant in the Hollywood machine. Okay, sure. With Ally McBeal. Yeah, that's probably true. Yeah. But Biola County was really good in that.

They brought in Bon Jovi after to kind of lift the, you know, lift the spirit of the show. Bon Jovi's not going to jail. He certainly isn't. Ha ha. Yeah. Uncanny Valley. Do you want to explain that?

Well, the, the Uncanny Valley sort of, we as human beings. Yes. And we're both human beings. That we know about. Oh boy. We will accept and we will not find disturbing, say, a character that is like a robot character or a CGI character that does not look at all like a human. Yes. So like an R2-D2 character like that. He's got kind of human character traits. You know, he's got a little personality all of his own.

But he doesn't look anything like... Most of us. Yeah, exactly. Precisely. Yeah. And then we'll accept... Can you remind me to put my bins out? Are you leaving this in?

Yeah. How dare you? I just had a thought. God, I'm... Last week I had to run out my underwear and put my bin out. And my neighbour's like, hey. And I'm like, I had to Run out my underwear And put my bin out And my neighbours like Hey And I'm like

Yeah what This is This is what this is Yeah we'll have to Leave this in I'll make a note I'll make a note In my weekly planner

I'll put Put the bins out I just caught the truck What we reading Put your bins out Putting bins Alright Do you mean in the morning

No tonight Because I don't want to Run out the morning again. Alright, I've written it down. Thank you. What were we talking about? Uncanny Valley. I'm sorry.

It has nothing to do with garbage bins. Well, I thought R2-D2 and garbage bins, and that's how I made the connection. You brought it back. I've done it, yeah. This is nothing if not an episode about perfect segues. And we'll accept, you know, a totally human character, but our acceptance level of these CGI characters

dips into something called the Uncanny Valley. Yes. Where you'll have a character that looks human to some degree. Yes. But it also has elements that we look for in a human that it does not possess. Yes. They're like micro expressions yeah things

that you you probably don't even know what exactly is wrong with the movement of the eyes and like a certain like the sheen of the skin and yeah just it's tiny little things and the closer it gets without being perfect the more upsetting it is it's it's you are revolted by it. Yes. Exactly, yeah. I'm trying to think of a good example of that. So like maybe the Final Fantasy movie. Yes. But then again, that whole world is like those weird CGI characters, right? So maybe that one, you can kind of accept it.

But that's more off-putting than say The Incredibles, which are human, but they're like caricatures, so you can accept it. Exactly. That's a deliberate choice on behalf of Pixar. Absolutely it is. They're like, okay, we'll make Mr. Incredible super top heavy because he's a superhero kind of character. Zombies is probably a good example of where the uncanny valley dips into an unacceptable level because they are,

for all intents and purposes, human. But if you encounter one in a dark alley shovel to the head shovel to the head exactly yeah that's it

yeah been watching The Walking Dead or another no still not I know you you want me to for some episode

we'll see how many episodes are out only five oh jeez no I just think I think you should watch some of them this season and then we'll talk about the end

anyway sorry go on I'll watch the first one and see how it goes great prosthetic hands is also a oh people find that upsetting that also exists

in the Uncanny Valley yeah something like that okay interesting but like something say like a robot hand less upsetting is that right like a hand that looks

like a robot yeah I mean unless it's crawling across the ground sure to come at you to murder you yeah okay fair enough

yeah and so CGI for a really long time has existed yes Unless it's crawling across the ground to come at you. To murder you. Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Yeah. And so CGI for a really long time has existed. Yes. Almost entirely in that uncanny valley. Yeah. Because they're like, oh, we'll make a fully CGI human being. Except the mouth doesn't move correctly and the eyes are dead.

And weird plastic hair. I find it really jarring in like early 2000s to mid 2000s, like superhero movies where they've built a fully CGI, Tobey Maguire or Brandon Routh. And every now and then they'll put it right up. Yes. And it's really another example of that. Like your CGI Neo from in the matrix and you exactly. And also from,

um, and agent Smith and they're like, no, this is good enough to get up close. It's really not. It's absolutely not. And Lord of the Rings was actually really good at knowing the first three, not the Hobbit ones as much, knowing the limitations and being like, these are all CGI orcs. Let's just keep them at a distance and put armor on them.

Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. Do you remember the weird monkey alien from Lost in Space? I do not. That's a really terrible example of a CGI thing that existed in 97, I want to say. Wow.

Yeah. That is... Just look it up, everybody, later. It's probably not something we necessarily need to talk about. But you know, one of my first exposures to, like, movie kind of CGI characters, which I remember being impressed by, but if you watch it now, it doesn't look very good. Dragonheart. I was just going to say Dragonheart.

I literally have a picture of Draco from Dragonheart. I'm looking at him. The Sean Connery. Sean Connery's very own. Yes. Yeah, it's not great by any stretch. But at the time, it was very, very impressive. And you believed it enough.

And I remember that movie being solid. I don't know whether it is. It's probably not. But I remember really enjoying it as a kid. When they did Dragonheart, did they put the ping pong balls on Sean Connery's face? I think he just did the voice. That's my understanding of it. Yeah.

Imagine. It'd be like putting the pong putting the the motion capture ping pong balls or the whatever on sean connery's face would be like trying to stuff a cat in like the carry box to take it to the vet like he wouldn't do it no he'd be punchy he would be literally punchy yeah exactly uh but do you remember liking that CGI dragon? Yeah. And a lot of what I think works about that performance is Dennis Quaid is very... He really commits to that movie. Again, from memory.

So it kind of holds up and everybody gets a piece of the dragon's heart and it's bloody odd, isn't it? I remember there's a particular scene which they showed in all the trailers where he bursts out of a waterfall. Yes. I don't know if you remember that.

I do. That was quite spectacular at the time. Yeah. I wouldn't say necessarily go back and watch it, but... I would say definitely go back and watch it. Definitely. That's what he's bloody... No, don't do it.

Look, I mentioned this in our Star Wars episode. I don't think people give Jar Jar Binks enough credit for pioneering motion capture and the CGI performance. The character itself is annoying. Yes. And stupid. We talked about the conspiracy theory last week, right? Yes, yes. Yeah.

Yeah, we did. I'm on board with it now. But you were like, shut up last week. Or was I like that? Again, look, I'm nothing if not a man who flip-flops. That's true. My opinion every week. Yeah.

You could plot it out. The uncanny valley of me just changing my mind on a whim. Being fed up and then coming around. Yeah, and then being like, I love it. Because I think the actor who played Jar Jar Binks. Ahmed Best. Thank you. You're welcome.

He did say in interviews later on that they did change. Yes. Like they rewrote a lot of that character art he was going to play a bigger role and yeah yeah but i think i mean you could take that either way yes i think that the the occam's razor the the simplest explanation is he was going to be just an annoying character and the rest in the the remaining two episodes and they decided to just reduce his role yes but the conspiracy theorist says that it was going to be a reveal that he was a sith lord yes that'd be pretty good right i mean yeah i guess because the the idea being that i mean he's like the reverse

yoda where yoda's like i'm an idiot yeah and it turns out that he's yeah he's only a slightly bigger idiot than he's less a bigger idiot than you think. So you don't think it holds any water? No, not at all. Not at all. I'd like to think it was the case. Do you think it would have improved the movies? Or do you think people would have been like,

absolutely not, we will not accept this? It's hard to say. Because how do you make Jar Jar Binks look? Because if you take Yoda and you go okay well he's a ridiculous looking figure yes but then you you know you have him he's got you can have a nice stern look yep he can he can look wise kind of thing when he's not being ridiculous I like to have to pin back I was gonna say top knot top knot his ears exactly yeah can't do that with dogs it's it's cruel that's right I do it to Jar jar like he's got like a weird kind of fish

face like what do you what do you do with that is he going to be do you put him in a darth vader mask but it's got a big fish face exactly like you'd have to give him like clone armor or like a like a jango fett kind of armor i guess no i couldn't i but you know what and also i think it would those that character was aimed squarely at children to be like the Ewoks. But kind of worse, I guess. And so you can't have all the children grow to love this Jar Jar Binks character.

And then he turns out to be a monster. And then he starts lopping hands off. That's what I'm saying. Because that's what you've got to do. Even though that's what Anakin Skywalker did. Yeah, he killed a lot of children. I don't think anybody grew to love him. No, nobody did.

Exactly, yeah. I think even children were like, boy, this guy's a little immature, honestly. So, no, I don't think it holds anyway. I definitely think he had a bigger role. But, and I think you mentioned this on a previous episode, a lot of that comes down to he didn't sell toys, probably as much as they would have liked.

So that's why they scaled him back and be like, Yoda can flip. Also, I think that if this was going to be the revelation there would be a jar jar binks sith lord prototype action figure somewhere oh okay there'll be no like it's in the archive somewhere yeah yeah so we gotta wait for that the lucas arc we're gonna wait we've got to wait until lucasfilm moves there like moves all their facilities yes and it'll go missing and it'll arrive, it'll appear on Reddit or whatever. Yeah.

But no, I don't think it holds any water. Yep. If that's the appropriate metaphor for whatever we're talking about. Who's to say? But you're saying Jar Jar Binks has a lot of credit. Absolutely. Like they took a guy

who's actually a pretty decent actor and voice actor. I think you'll find his name's Ahmed Best. I might find that. And they put a weird kind of visor covering his eyes He's actually a pretty decent actor and voice actor. I think you'll find his name's Ahmed Best. I might find that. And they put a weird kind of visor covering his eyes and Jar Jar Binks' face on his head, and they gave him the arms. Like, he dressed up as him, but they ended up CGI-ing over the whole thing

and putting in this performance. But they obviously used his mannerisms and his walking, and then I think they put him in the ping-pong suit to kind of line it all up. And he performed that entire character. And again, he is annoying, but he even came before Gollum in terms of this fully CGI character.

And look, he looks, even now, he looks decent because he's not human. So you can kind of accept it. Like there's never really a point. He's a fish and he's a horse. It's fine. Whatever. Yeah. So I think in that sense yeah but also do you know jar jar binks initially was just going to speak normally and he was just going to be kind of a wise kind of yeah let's do a pod race

and like sure yeah you know that's one of the exact lines let's go underwater i guess shrug meet the fish man or something. I don't know. And there was also, I think this is that Star Wars book that I love, How Star Wars Conquered the Universe, that in episode two or three, it was going to be revealed that he could talk normally, but he chose not to. But I think that would have really set people off.

The people are like, you made us sit through two hours of that. Yeah, okay. And he can just talk regularly why would there be that revelation i think george lucas i think george lucas does have us not because he's seen because that that would sort of play into the conspiracy theory kind of thing yeah absolutely not not even in the sense of oh he's the sith lord yeah but he's more of a he's more of a capable character than you think that you believe but he's playing the fool he's playing the fool.

Which would play... Because, you know, a lot of the evidence they present in the first, you know, in The Phantom Menace or something, you know, he's quite capable, you know, combat-wise. He's very adept, yeah. He's very adept. There's some, you know, there's some scenes where he can, you know, do some quite acrobatic leaping and stuff like that.

Yeah, and people put it down to his species or whatever. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, but if you saw, like, a human man who's not a Jedi do that, you'd be like, what's up with that? Yeah. and people put it down to the species or whatever. But yeah, but if you saw like a human man who's not a Jedi do that, you'd be like, what's up with that? Yeah. You're going to explain that? Mm-hmm.

Hmm. But, what was I going to say? I can't even remember. No, he's not a Sith. There's that moment. There's the moment where we've hit the wall. That was quick. I was at PAX the other weekend.

The technology of this has moved on so well that you can just put somebody in the ping pong ball suit and they can render it in real time. Yes. They were actually – Are you talking about David Tench tonight? I'm talking about David Tench tonight. Was that – That's what that show was, yeah.

No, no. For non – I was going to say for non-Australian listeners, but basically everybody because nobody saw the show. In Australia, we had a show called David Tench Tonight. Don't say we. Don't put that on us. Yeah, right.

There was a show. Yeah. There was a show. That we had nothing to do with. We definitely did not produce that show. And it was like your David Letterman late night show. Yeah. Except the host was...

Like a weird Leno knockoff. Yeah, it was a weird computer generated Leno knockoff. But he wasn't rendered in real time. No, he was. The actors would come in and they'd talk to a screen of David Tench while the actor who played David Tench sat in a cupboard somewhere. Wow. And if you've ever watched any of those-

Was that pre-Phantom Menace? I don't think so. What if they had Jar Jar Binks on an episode of David Tench? What would that be like? Maybe something like that. I'm not going to do it. So, yeah. That had a massive mark.

That TV show had a massive marketing campaign. It was like, who's David Tench? Yeah, it was a Denton thing. Yeah. So, yeah, they had a massive push for everything. And then it happened and people were like, this is is really dumb what yeah there was a lot of that i don't even think it's not that people weren't ready for it people were just like this is a bad concept yeah i think that i think they'll never be ready for it that's what i'm saying youtube maybe so nobody's gonna accept

that on the tv no but anyway when i was at pax, there were two different booths where people, like they just hired an actor to do it. Yeah. To do, you know, dances or whatever. Yeah. And they just render them as different characters. Okay. It's pretty amazing.

Okay. Like what, any particular characters? Nah, just more generic. Generic kind of like. Just copyright. Space man. Yeah. Generic like copyright free.

Where you go, is that a Call of Duty character? Nah, it's just a generic soldier man. Swimsuit prisoner yeah that one are we oh boy yeah but no a lot of solar technology behind jar jar that's what i'm saying but something that people always point to as a example and probably the first example of a almost photorealistic character is Gollum from Lord of the Rings, Weta's work. Yes. Which is an incredible character. What they did initially for that,

they put Andy Serkis in like a white suit and he'd act out the scenes and then he'd step away and then the actors would have to do it without him. But they found when they put in the CG character over that, it didn't look as good. So what they ended up doing was going back into the scenes that he was in,

removing him completely, and then putting him back in as Gollum. Okay. So there was that extra step to make it look super realistic. So when they grab each other, you get the cloth moving on the elven capes. It's all about the cloth on the elven capes. It absolutely is. But it's little things like that which means that it works. You know what I mean?

And I remember watching the behind the scenes thing on the Lord of the Rings DVDs which are amazing where they talk about like they try to pioneer this new technique in terms of layers of skin and how he has multiple layers of skin

and the light hits each one differently and that's what makes human skin look a certain way and that's one of the reasons why he looks one of the many reasons why he looks as good as he does my skin in a whole different way oh my god i do have layers man so that's really impressive but what i've found for all these cgi characters like every single one you see how they make it and there's like a there's the steps they show you is wireframe then like a weird reboot style concept kind of that doesn't look at it like there's no texture at all and

then there's like a little bit of texture and then it's fully flesh cgi character and i'm always like what happened in between the last two steps nope how. How did you get there? They just click a button. The button that just says fully realized character model. Please. Just click it. Tick. Did you find that, like I never, those last steps to get it the way it looks, I never understand, I don't understand how they do it. But that's the magic of movies, isn't it?

It's the magic of movies. It's the magic of Weta Workshop. Absolutely. But Weta are responsible for so many good things. Do you have anything to say about Gollum? Hercules, The Legendary Journeys. They did that. What?

They worked on... Oh, Weta? Yeah. I guess they're a New Zealand company, aren't they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Weta's like a weird kind of cricket. That's like a New Zealand creature. Yeah, yeah.

But they've done like King Kong. King Kong looked incredible. They've done Smoog where he looked really really great maybe we'll talk about Planet of the Apes later okay

they've done some amazing CGI they did Avatar they did Fury Road oh did they yeah it's pretty much them and like Industrial Light

and Magic they did Tintin what do you think about that I've never seen it neither have I I don't care for it yeah I don't like Tintin

what do you think I don't like Tintin look I do you think? I don't like Tintin. Look, I do. Here's the thing. I loved Tintin when I was a kid. Yeah. We must have talked about this on the show before,

but I'm talking about it again. Good. I loved Tintin when I was a kid and then, like, I dug up, like, one of the old, like, a hardback and it had, like,

three Tintin stories in it. I'm like, oh my God, this is going to be great. I'm going to reread Tintin. Is it the one where he goes to the moon? Ah, no, it was the one where he went to America. So?

And he went to China. Why is that a big deal? He's not from America. He's Belgian or something. Give us a shit. He's Belgian or something, all right? Anyway, and I just, I reread it. I'm like, oh, he just, he just dives headfirst into everything.

Yeah. And he survives by sheer chance. Yes. Literally every time. Right, yeah. There every time right there's no there's no skill involved yep like there's when he goes to america he gets in the he's again he's a small child and he gets on the wrong side of the mob of course you know the the mafia the american mob i'm familiar with them correct that organization yes and they just like first of all

they trap him in a room and they flood it with poison gas. And then they're like, good, he's dead. Let's throw him into the river. And then it turns out. Did anyone say sleeping with the fishes? No, I don't think they did. Oh, maybe.

But then they throw him in the river and then one of the mobster guys is like, oh, no, I didn't give him the nerve gas. I gave him just the sleeping gas. That we also have. That we also have. The water is just going to wake him up. And then he's like, then he gets a gun on him. He's like, ha, I got you.

The water did wake me up. Yeah. I'm the best. I haven't been traumatized at all. And then at one point, like, he's chased. Like, he goes out of Chicago and he goes to, like, the Midwest. And he's chased by. goes out of chicago and he goes to like the midwest and he's chased by so it's just across america yeah and he's just chased by like native americans or cowboys or something like into a cave and there's no way out because there's like

is there dynamite in this cave no but he he just he just he's like i'll try and dig my way out and he can't quite out of a cave but then but then his hands but then he strikes oil and he just sort of escapes on like a like a plume of a plume of oil precisely and there's the one point where he goes to he goes to india it's all this is all in the same volume i think right and he's like the in in the tintin universe there's like a poison and if you if you uh affected by the poison you go irrevocably mad you go mad forever right and at one point he gets shot with a dart of this and he's like oh no i'm gonna go mad but they're like it was the sleep voice no but it turned out somebody had just switched it out for war oh it's the same but that's the thing like if you know that you exist in this universe where you could be poisoned by a thing that makes you go mad.

Yeah. Take some more precautions, mate. But he never does. Because he's... He's a wild man. He's a loose unit. Tintin is the loosest unit of all time. Which I guess is kind of appealing.

I don't know. Sure. Well, he sounds like an idiot yeah i just remember thinking that's why i didn't watch the movie sure for all of those reasons i just remember thinking asterix was better so i just didn't watch it okay i didn't read it sorry yeah yeah i found him irritating with his dumb head did you watch the live action version where obelix is jurad depardieu i've not no i have watched some of the animated ones though but tintin there was supposed to spielberg did the first one, yeah?

Yeah. And Peter Jackson was going to do the second one. And they've never kind of talked about it. They're just like, no. I know it did okay internationally. Belgium, certainly. No doubt. Yeah.

Anyway, Tintin's great. What a great movie. Who's to say? King Kong looked good, didn't he? Yeah. Anyway, Tintin's great. What a great movie. King Kong looked good, didn't he? Yeah. And Smaug looked good. He's a good one in a terrible movie. It's the eyes, mate. It's definitely the eyes.

He's a good one in a terrible movie. Davy Jones. In Pirates of the Caribbean 2? Yes, and 3. Okay, yeah. Weird tentacle. Who played Davy Jones? What's his name?

He's the rock star in Love Actually. Bill Nighy. Oh, it was Bill Nighy. Yeah. Okay tentacle. Who played Davy Jones? What's his name? He's the rock star in Love Actually. Bill Nighy. Oh, it was Bill Nighy. Yeah. Okay, yeah. Really impressive CGI. Yep. He's got like, his tentacle could like light a pipe and put it in his mouth.

And if you look at the on-set stuff, it's just Bill Nighy with like black kind of Batman-esque makeup around his eyes in a weird motion capture suit. And they've really done wonders with, like that is an impressive character. Yeah, absolutely. Like legit. If you didn't think it was legit, you're an idiot. You should quit.

Brutal. All those characters, I think. Yeah. All his henchmen. Yeah. Crab boy. Yeah. One's probably a clam. Clam man. Yeah. Barnacle face. Coral. Yeah. All his henchmen. Yeah. Crab boy. Yeah. One's probably a clam.

Clam man. Yeah. Barnacle face. Coral? Yeah. All those ones. Very impressive special effects in that. Yeah.

Here's one of your favorites. Okay, I'm ready. I've just kind of listed randomly. Oh, sure. Yeah. The hell dimension monster from Spawn. You mentioned it recently. Oh, boy.

Spawn goes to hell. Yeah, no, I remember that. It looks like a Prodigy video. Yes. When they were just, before they were like a mainstream act. Yeah. And it was just, they just got some guy to make it on his Omega 500. That's right.

Just make a visual demo. The mouth is just like Spawn. It's like a sock puppet. Yes. Kind of mouth going. Yeah, that movie does not hold up on any level. What about if you saw it and you thought it was bad, but it'd hold up in that way? If you went back and watched it again?

Yes. Good. Here's one that people don't really talk about. Okay. Scooby-Doo from the Scooby-Doo movie. Yes. I never really saw those. I don't think I've seen those movies.

I know they were filmed in Australia I remember that Scooby Doo character looked pretty good No you're not wrong I knew it I didn't know it You know what they're actually not bad movies Oh really? They're a bit of fun? They're a bit of fun

See I never liked that show as a kid I was like this is a weird crap universe But don't you want to see the amazing on-air pairing of real-life husband and wife, Sarah Michelle Gellar and Freddie Prinze Jr.? Absolutely, I do. I actually like those guys a lot. He's now in...

Oh, they're both in Star Wars Rebels, actually, at the moment. They're voicing characters. Are they a husband and wife team that just don't get along? I hope so. I'm not up to date. Okay, sure. I think she's some kind of dark Jedi situation. But what was I going to say about...

You know what's weird about him? Chris Evans parodied his character from whatever She's All That. Yes. And now Chris Evans is like a megastar. You know what I mean? He started off as this kind of, you look enough like Freddie Prinze Jr. Yeah, that's true, yeah.

And now he's Captain America and whatever his character in Snowpiercer was called. And Freddie Prinze Jr. is just doing Wing Commander sequels. I don't know if that's true. I wish. So those movies are okay though, are they? Yeah. Like as a fun little... I mean, they're children's movies, certainly.

Isn't, in the second one, is Scrappy-Doo in Rowan Atkinson's body? Did I make that up? Yes, you did. Okay. Is Rowan Atkinson in that one? I think he's in one of them, yeah. Okay, very good. Because we have Hollywood on the Gold Coast here, don't we?

It's called Warner Brothers' movie called Hollywood on the Gold Coast. Yes. And for years they've pushed this Scooby-Doo ride on everybody. They're like, come to Queensland and go on the Scooby-Doo ride. It's an adventure. And I'm like, I don't want to do that. I will not. You probably should.

If it's still there, which I bet it isn't, is an example of a bad one. I'm ready. Though it's a mixture of- I'll be the judge of that. Scorpion King. Oh yeah, that's really bad. Which is weird because it starts off, the movie The Mummy returns. Yes.

Starts off with The Rock as the Scorpion King. It's one of his first major live action roles. Yes. It might even be his first in a movie. It might be the first live action role anyone's ever done. It's very possible. And he starts off real and then he becomes immortal or whatever. And then he disappears towards the start of the movie

and he rocks up at the end as this... Scorpion-man-monster hybrid. Yes, but the top half is The Rock. Yes. And it looks nothing like him. Yeah, it's not like they... Why didn't they just CGI the bottom half? Very good question.

Isn't it though? Yeah. Like that could have looked amazing. But as soon as... I remember at the time going like, wow, that's a misstep. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm.

It's a good movie. It's an okay movie. Is it? It's okay. I feel the mummy. Yeah. The Brendan Fraser mummy. This is a good CGI character.

The mummy in that. Yeah. So there you go. It's a pretty solid one. Yeah. Anyway, so the Brendan Fraser mummy. I feel that is a modern classic. I think that's a fun film. I'd mummy in that. Yeah, so there you go. It's a pretty solid one. Anyway, so the Brendan Fraser mummy. I feel that is a modern classic. I think that's a fun film.

I'd agree with that. It's a rollicking action adventure ride. It's funny. It's kind of like, I'd put it in the same camp as like Indiana Jones or your, what's it called? Like even your Princess Bride or your bloody Guardians of the Galaxy. It's in that kind of like, what a romp. What an adventure.

Exactly, I love a romp. Do you love scarabs? You're in luck. I love scarabs. Go see the bloody mummy, man. I love, you can't stand anywhere because there's scarabs on the ground. And if you put your foot wrong,

one will shoot up your bloody leg and eat your balls. You know what I mean? I know what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. What about Dobby from Harry Potter? He's all like, I'm feeble and weak. Do you feel-

My clothes is a pillowcase. Do you know what I mean from Harry Potter? He's all like, I'm feeble and weak. My clothes is a pillowcase. Harry Potter. No, I see. Do you feel at any point that he is a real character, though? Does that character have any weight to him at all? I remember thinking he looked okay, but he's in one of the Harry Potters that I don't like. You know what? He does look good in the last one.

Spoiler alert. I haven't seen the last one. The second last one. I've seen the second last one, yeah. Where, spoiler alert, if i haven't seen the last one the second last one i've seen the second last one yeah where spoiler alert if you haven't seen it he dies he takes a knife to the heart wow and he's like and as he's dying he's like it's good to be friends with harry potter and he dies and i guess it is good to be friends to harry potter i don't normally give out points but i give him some points. Oh, man.

I love that in Harry Potter. At the end of every movie, it might just be the first one, but it's like, Slytherin wins, and Slytherin claps. And then it's like, but because of friendship, Harry Potter gets a thousand points. See, yeah. Because Ron played that giant game of chess.

Those movies get better. They definitely get better. That first one is no good. Yeah, yeah. I reckon they... People are always like, let's have a Harry Potter movie marathon. Come over, have popcorn, and watch a Harry Potter movie.

No, I won't. Can we start at four? Yeah, can we start? I'll show up 90 minutes in if you don't mind. People love three, but I think four is when you're like, oh, Daniel Radcliffe can act. It's that point.

Have you seen that TV show with Tim and Jon Hamm, The Doctors? I haven't. I've heard it's good. Yeah. For a second, I thought you said Tim Allen and Jon Hamm. I would watch that. Yeah, me too. He's on Too Many Daughters at the moment, though.

So he can't. Doesn't matter. Don't worry about it. Okay, good. We were talking about that previously. But there's a lot of good CGI characters in... Sorry. There's a lot of CGI characters in Harry Potter with varying kind of success.

The spiders look pretty good. Yep. The three-headed dog was okay. The flying car. Yes. That's a good character, right? Yes, the flying car. The hypocrite.

He's a good one. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I know that's not his real name. Yeah, there's all sorts of creatures and dragons and whatever, and they're all pretty solid. There's books that bloody chomp on you, but I guess that's not a character, is it?

No. Actually, we should talk about Harry Potter. There were some photos released of the new... Fantastical Beasts. Yeah. And where to find them. And people got upset because the name of muggles it's set in the u.s oh okay yes so this confused me initially yeah so this the because the headline

confused me yeah they're like we'll we'll find out what americans call muggles what they're saying is that in the context of this universe yes british british children or british wizards yep call british racists racist wizards they are racist oh they so they brit the british wizards call people who cannot use magic muggles or mudbloods mudbloods oh that is right well i think that's no sorry that's wizards who can do magic who they don't like. But in America, in the context of this universe, American wizards call people who cannot use magic nomadges. Or nomadge. Nomadge.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. So this is a new revelation for this. Apparently so. Okay. Do you have a problem with that? It's hard to pronounce.

Nomadge. Nomadge. Is it like nomad? In a way. so. Okay. Do you have a problem with that? It's hard to pronounce. Nomadge. Nomadge. Is it like nomad? In a way. Yeah. Hmm. It sounds like something you don't want on your toast. Do you want madge?

Nomadge. Nomadge for me. Thank you. I'm steering clear. Okay, good. Yeah. Great. I'm paleo right now.

So nomadge if you wouldn't mind. I am looking forward to it. When we will do people have been asking can you do a Harry Potter episode we might have to split that up sure into the ones that we don't like

and the ones that we do it's about 50-50 it is yeah so the first three yep that's the episode of songs we don't like

I don't want to watch that I don't want to yeah fine yeah the one where he fights a dragon at the school sports carnival that's the fourth one

that's a good one. That's my fave. Yeah. Anyway, look, here's some movies that I don't like, but the CGI. It's got nothing to do with CGI, but here's just some movies you don't like. Okay. But they've got CGI characters that look pretty solid. Okay.

Actually, I like Stuart Little. It's a good one. Huh. I think it's a good kids movie. Okay. Sure. Smurfs. Okay.

Garfield. And Garfield, A Tale of Two Kitties, the sequel. Does that have good CGI? For like a weird kind of... Follow-up question. You've seen those movies? No, I haven't, no. Okay, right.

And Alvin and the Chipmunks, which again, I haven't seen. I feel like that's all that kind of same kind of cartoon, kind of like they've just taken the cartoon version of that and just kind of made it 3d and been like there you go you dickhead you're saying that's good 3d that's good cgi i think it's yes for what it is because it's supposed to be cartoony and whatever yeah you don't think stewart little looks like a fun little mouse in a little he does look a fun little mouse in a fun little sweater he's got a little car doesn't he have a little car sometimes he does he's ever in a little biplane sometimes he got a plane. That cat doesn't like him very much, though.

No. But I think they work it out at the end. Yeah, great. Yeah. Great. Or the cat kills him. Oh. What's his deal, Stuart Little?

Is he an orphan? What is that? I think he is an orphan. From where? Why are there not other mice walking around with sweaters? His parents were killed in the Holocaust in the graphic novel series Mouse. Oh, God. Oh, God.

Remember Mouse? I don't. Mouse. It was a metaphor for- Oh, no, I do know that. Sorry. Yes, I do. Yeah, I apologize.

It was a metaphor for the horrors of World War II. Yeah, that's really good, isn't it? Yes. Apparently, I should read that. Anyway, i'm going to assume that he's from that universe okay i'm gonna say this you this this you at little universe and the mouse universe of the same universe there you go yeah fair enough you know what we should talk about what's that all versions of the hulk okay sure except for the lufaregno one

which i presume is not cg that's right yeah So I guess we'll go Ang Lee's 2003 version. I think design-wise, I don't like it. No. But I think it's better than the Incredible Hulk design. You're wrong. He's so sinewy and brown in the Incredible Hulk. Okay, sure. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, no, I get it. You want him to be more cartoony. I want him to be exactly as easy the Avengers now. Okay, sure. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, no, I get it. You want him to be more cartoony. I want him to be exactly as easy the Avengers now. Right, okay. Like that is leaps and bounds the better one and like the Hulk leaps and bounds. So they're pretty big leaps and bounds. But the Ang Lee Hulk from a distance.

Yes. I mean, I think design-wise it's okay. He doesn't move that well. He's very rubbery. Well, that's exactly it. See, that's not a CGI issue more than it is clearly somebody when they were building the first CGI big movie version of the Hulk said, well, the Hulk can leap great distances.

Certainly. Why can't he do that? Yeah. And nobody just went comic book physics. They said, we have to find a realistic way to make him be able to do that. And they went, well, maybe he can bounce because he's made of rubber. And then they were like, okay, let's make him rubbery. Let's do that.

Yeah. Because he did kind of, yeah, he did. Awful. He fought those dogs, didn't he? Yeah, he did fight some big CGI dogs. Yeah. But, you know, Ang Lee did all the motion capture for that. That's what I've heard.

Which is an odd choice. You'd think he'd just be like, Eric Banner, can you do it? Seems as you are this character. But no, the second, the Incredible Hulk obviously looks, I think CGI-wise looks better. I'm saying the design of the first one I think is better than the Incredible Hulk obviously looks, I think CGI wise looks better. I'm saying the design of the first one I think is better than the Incredible Hulk. Okay. And then I, yeah.

I'm going to look him up very quickly. Please do. Yeah. Like the hair's all weird and he's kind of, like I think one of the good things they did with the new Hulk, they kind of, they didn't make him as weirdly ripped. Uh-huh, sure. They kind of put a bit of kind of body fat on him and and and the like yeah he is very ripped yeah maybe too much maybe too ripped yeah i mean he's the strongest being in the world certainly but i mean give him a bit of fat no match for him mate yeah

that's right okay here we go angley's hulk does look very much like eric banner though yeah it does it's pretty good it's just eric banner with his face all stretched out with his weird stretchy pants are you watching a video of this no just just some side-by-side comparisons fantastic pretty good but the the mark ruffalo version yes is a like even the way they keep the hair exactly the same and a little flex of gray yeah and like the teeth and the same and the little flecks of grey and like the teeth and the eyes and everything. It's just, it's really good.

And that's Weta, I believe. I think Weta did the whole thing. But maybe they didn't. We'll never know. We'll never know. There's nowhere to tell. Yeah. While we're on the topic of Marvel, what about Groot and Rocket from Guardians of the Galaxy?

I don't even think of them as CGI characters. Exactly. Rocket especially. Definitely. I mean, Gro think of them as CGI characters. Exactly. Rocket especially. Definitely. I mean, Groot is a big plant man. Sure. But Rocket, at no point am I like, oh, that's, you could even go, how much did they pay the kid in the suits?

Did you see the kid has Halloween dressed as Rocket Raccoon? No. It's amazing. Duh. But, yeah, you're absolutely right. I think maybe the moment where Rocket takes off his shirt and he's got like the kind of metal implants in his back, maybe that's a bit where you're like, I guess that's CGI.

But no, you never for a second, like the hair and everything. It's incredible. Hulk. I was going to. Thank you. Here's a size comparison. The Ang Lee Hulk is the biggest Hulk. Yeah, yeah you here's a size comparison the Ang Lee Hulk is the biggest Hulk

yeah yeah who's the smallest Lou Fregno is it really yeah so what's the big to small can you give me

the actual feet no this is from Pinterest Pinterest yeah like crapturist so it's Lou Fregno Hulk Avengers Hulk

Incredible Hulk slightly taller yep Ang Lee Hulk real big yeah Hulk, Incredible Hulk slightly taller. Yep. Ang Lee Hulk real big. Yeah. Wait, the Incredible Hulk is slightly bigger than Avengers Hulk? Correct.

Okay. Incredible Hulk is hunched. I mean, sorry, the Avengers Hulk is hunched. Incredible Hulk is taller, but Avengers Hulk is broader, I think. Sure, because he's got the fat. Because he's fat. Yeah, because he's fat yeah because he's fat yeah so where does that fat come from you know i'm talking about that's a very good question is

that all mark ruffalo fat it must be where does it you can't spontaneously generate fat well how the world works maybe it may because everything expands you can't spontaneously grow muscle either it's the same so maybe whatever the body fat that mark ruffalo has also expands yeah look it's not my problem to fix. Yeah. Why am I bothering? Yeah, true. Dr. Manhattan. Yes.

Not super realistic. Well, he is a big glowing white man. But not supposed to be, was going to be my point. Yeah. I guess he works for that universe, doesn't he? I should have waited for you to make your point before I busted in there. That's fine, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But no, that definitely works. Don't have anything else to say about him. I know they got Billy crud up in a blue light suit for you have to walk around in every scene looking like an idiot. But that's not his body, right? No. That was a body that died, I think.

Oh, really? Yeah. Okay, that's no good. We all die someday. What? Yeah, that's right. I better put my bins out. Well, that's...

Don't worry about it. Don't even worry about it. What about Wingsy Snoutor, your favourite? See, that's what I was going to say, because we were talking about... If we're talking about Star Wars characters, we're talking about Jar Jar. What do you think?

Do you think all the budget went into Jar Jar Binks, or do you think... I think Wingsy Snoutor got some... That's Watto. We're talking about Watto, by the way. From episode one. Yeah. I think a lot of money went into because he's got stubble he's got like a weird stubbly chin and and yeah i think he's pretty solid the jab of the heart is

terrible especially from the special editions yeah yeah he's in the phantom menace doesn't look that bad but in the other versions but no winzy snout all Snoutall, pretty good, man. Yeah. Pretty good. What about Dexter Jetster? Garbage. Total crap. Okay. He looks terrible. But is that because he exists in a weird 1950s diamond space? I was going to say, maybe that's the reason.

Yeah. Look, I'm going to look up Dexter Jetster right now. Yep. Is it because his name's Dexter? No, it's because he looks garbage. All right. Oh, if you Google Dexter Jetster, the first option is Dexter Jet No, it's because he looks garbage. All right. Oh, if you, you know, if you look up, if you Google Dexter Jetstar, the first option is Dexter Jetstar quotes.

Do you think he had some memorable quotes? I don't. About Dexter Jetstar? Was he like, go to this particular planet. Yeah. Do you want a smoothie? I mean, a space smoothie? That died off.

What were they thinking? Yeah. No, he's's just a he's just a blue collar joe you know is he giving some space eggs over easy my knock eggs yeah over easy it's probably okay to eat i guess yeah i don't know about that guy you really you think he looks okay yeah look at that look at his look at his cheeky little grin. You're wrong. You need to see it in motion. You're absolutely wrong. All right.

Yeah. But again, maybe like you said, it's the bloody thing. Here's something I haven't seen, which I need to see. All right. John Carter of Mars does a lot of CGI characters. What do you think of them? We constantly say we're going to see John Carter of Mars. I will say it.

I'm doing a video with a guy coming up, so I have to watch it. A John Carter of Mars video. It's the comparison thing. I'll let you know when it's happening. It's a secret. It's not a secret. You're being very evasive. Sorry.

I don't mean to be. I just want to push on, all right? Okay, fine. God. You know what's good? Ted. That's a good CGI character. You're right.

You didn't want to say that, did you? Because you hate that movie. Yeah, quite apart from it being a terrible movie. Yeah, look, we've talked about the merits of Ted a number of times. Yes. None of it works on any level. People disagree with me, but they're wrong. But none of it works.

people disagree with me but they're wrong but none of it works and the the elements that work on family guy the really long extended jokes the really long riff runs do not work on a live action in this live action context yeah i don't know what if it's mark walberg or what it is but none of it works somebody was somebody was telling me the other day that they saw A Million Ways to Die in the West. Yeah. I haven't seen it, but apparently it's exactly the same. Like none of it pays off because it's got that weird, that extended. I've seen them both.

I couldn't tell you. I don't know. I know Ted 2 didn't do very well. And that's pretty much, apparently a lot of it's a rehashable part one where I thought you'd be happy. Yeah. So, yeah, but no, good CGI bear. We're in agreeance on that, aren't we?

Yes, it's the best CGI bear I've ever seen. I've just got here, someone in Tron? I don't know whether there's, does CGI Jeff Bridges count or have they just de-aged Jeff Bridges? I don't think that counts. Yeah, okay, I thought so. But anyone else in Tron? Don't they go into a big face in the end or is that the first Tron? That's the first one.H. Jeff Bridges. I don't think that counts. Yeah, okay. I thought so. But anyone else in Tron? Don't they go into a big face in the end? Or is that the first Tron?

That's the first one. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. And that's probably just a guy wrapped in red cellophane. Sure. Well, yeah. A lot of people have talked about this before.

The first Tron, there's no actual computer graphics in it. Correct. It's just people kind of coloring in film with glowy kind of paint i don't know what the actual thing is what are we talking about it doesn't matter transformers yes except for the weird blocky one pretty realistic not that good designs they're always roughhousing yes they're always roughhousing see the thing about the Transformers characters is... Yep. I think the CGI, for the most part, is flawless. Yeah, I agree.

It's overly complicated. There's too much happening on screen at all times. Yes. The actual characters, the transformations, they all look incredible. Agreed. But it's a case of we have the technology, but we don't know what to do with it yes a lot of people have said that they would rather just rather than watch the movies i think kevin smith said this when the first one came out he would

have rather just had like a 20 minute effects reel of like the character drives up as a truck transforms into a robot transforms back into a truck, drives off screen. Next one shows up, transforms into a robot, back into a car off screen. And that's all you need. Absolutely.

That would be amazing. But they don't know what to do with these characters. Yeah. So they roughhouse. So they roughhouse. They don't... Yeah, from an effects basis, they look great. But there's just...

They don't know what to do with them. No. And so rather than give them a personality through dialogue or their, you know, like giving them a character arc or motivations like you might do with a real character, you just have them just be like, we're all pals and we're pals because we give each other noogies and slap each other about

and we wrestle. We're idiots. What a good series of films that we'll never stop getting. And we'll never stop watching. I don't like the Optimus Prime face design either. Wow. Because that's the only thing they've kept, ultimately. No, because the plate slides back and he's

got a weird jaggedy face. I don't like the eyes. I don't like any of it. But they're not good, so it doesn't matter. Linking to this. We will keep watching them, I remember, right? I know, I know. What are we up to?

Five. Five's coming out. At least we don't have to watch a whole bunch of the old ones to do a retrospective episode anymore. We did our time. We did that, all right? Yeah. It's there.

You can go and listen to it. You get less for murder. Yeah. Oh, by the way, Mason worked out how to get all the old episodes of the podcast on iTunes now. You went in and you bloody dug around and fixed it. I changed the setting. I'm a hero. So a lot of people were saying, we're the old ones. And they're all- We're the old ones. We want to hear poor production values. And two guys who don't

know what they're doing, even more so. Now you can. Now you can. You're welcome, the internet. So yeah But have you seen Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the new one? I still haven't got to it What do you think of I'd say again that's very good CGI

Yes I don't love the designs Because they're way too big They're way too big yeah And it's kind of And there's too much going on It's like Donatello's wearing four pairs of glasses And Raphael's got like sunglasses on his head and a bandana.

But he's a rebel. I guess he is. He's cool, but he's rude. I'm aware of that. Why wouldn't he wear a bandana? Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Donatello does machines.

That's why he needs four pairs of glasses. And Michael Adler's got, like, you know, like little shells and a necklace on his, around his neck. That's his dead children. And must be. Yeah. So, yeah, around his neck. That's his dead children. And must be. Yeah. So, so yeah, they look good.

He's the Matthew McConaughey of, of Ninja Turtles. He certainly is. He's got a pucker shell necklace. Exactly. That's what I was looking for the word. That's, that's exactly what that is.

But, and Leonardo's boring as usual. I like him a lot. Yeah, you would. Should we talk about Avatar? I guess we'll have to. Oh, you know what?

District 9. That's another one. Looks amazing. Yep. Low budget. Looks good. Weta. Weta.

Good job. Why does anyone use anybody other than Weta? Industrial Light and Magic. Why does no one use anything other than Weta or Industrial Light and Magic? Well, because a lot of these effects companies actually shut down because they're competing with each other. The team that made the tiger in Eye of the Tiger, the video clip. Sure.

No, the boys trapped in a boat with a tiger and maybe it's a metaphor. Life of Pi. Life of Tiger. Yes. That, they went bankrupt. They made the most amazing CGI animal that's ever been put to screen

and then they're like, we're shutting up shop because this broke us. Oh. Yeah. Emotionally? Financially. But how do they do that? Because they're all competing.

So you lowball everything. Oh, okay. Right. So the Life of Pi company said, we'll do this for 50 bucks in a bacon sandwich or whatever. That's right. Yeah. Okay. And then they're like, oh, us 200 million dollars yeah yeah i think i saw that a cracked video or something so maybe that's maybe that's not actually true but that was a pretty good cgi

tiger from memory okay and he just walked away at the end and even thanked the boy but maybe it was a metaphor did you see it no i don't watch movies that are metaphors. Is the Terminator a metaphor for something? No. I don't think so. Don't think about it. War? No.

I mean, it's literally war in it, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I guess not. But what I'm saying is Industrial Light and Magic is not going to go out of business. Certainly not, no. Are they really expensive? Yeah. Apparently a big part, again, it's in that Star Wars book I was talking about, of Lucas selling Lucasfilm to Disney is because they wanted to keep everybody employed.

He wasn't making any more Star Wars films or really any kind of films. He made Red Tails and everyone hated it and there's not a lot of CGI in it. He didn't direct it, but he had a lot of CGI in it. He didn't direct it but he had a big hand in it. And he didn't want to get everybody fired. So he's just like, give it to Disney

and they'll look after everybody. What I was going to say earlier was George Lucas is not a comedic writer in any way. Correct. But he does have quite a dry sense of humour

in real life in terms of he'll wear like a Han shot first t-shirt and like he'll do that thing like we talked about. Are you sure that it's not somebody's given him that t-shirt and he doesn't understand? No, I think he likes poking the bear. I genuinely think he does. And I think that's the whole thing where Jaja Binks is like, I'm just, I could talk normally. I'm just, I've just been pretending.

That was just to be like sucked in idiots. Like do what i want i'm a billionaire that would be an incredible joke if those movies were good certainly so in many ways the joke's on him and us yeah i guess so yeah he doesn't care he certainly doesn't but. No. He certainly doesn't. But Avatar. Yes. Pioneered teeth technology, I feel. Well, I think you said that, actually. Good teeth. Good teeth. You're right. I don't like that movie very much. I'm very conscious of my teeth.

You should be. Thank you. Not a compliment. Oh, no. But I don't like that movie much. I think I've told the story how I went and saw it and I've just come back from overseas. I'm one of my many adventures.

Oh, this guy. Never shuts up about it. And I was jet lagged and I went and saw it and I'm like, I didn't enjoy that like much. So I went back a couple days later.

Immediately. A couple days later. One more ticket for Avatar, please. And it started up and I went, I've made it. Oh no went I've made a massive mistake This is a long movie

Did you attempt to jump to a different cinema? I didn't What else was playing at the time? I want to say One of the Sherlock Holmes movies You could have gone to one of the Sherlock Holmes movies Yeah I certainly could have But no

That is all CGI world And it's it's it's amazing it's wetter again i don't care about any of it though oh absolutely not yeah no will you see the sequel though well yeah yeah even if i was doing this i'd have to see it but i can't imagine you wouldn't have to no i would okay it's kind of there's certain things that i just kind of have to see and that's one of them which is weird because i hate it yeah i don kind of there's certain things that i just kind of have to say and that's one of them which is weird because i hate it yeah i don't hate it that's a that's a deeper issue i think it is yeah you don't have to say anything man i mean realistically you do because you're going to have to talk about in this podcast we both have to i've definitely eased up on my

television watching i'm like you know what i can't watch everything i can't watch the flash every week and arrow and gotham and agentsents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and everything and The Walking Dead non-genre TV series maybe maybe a series that's just a drama like it doesn't have any weird if it's not like A plus I'm just like why I can't so what's A plus right now Game of Thrones is A plus and Walking Dead literally right now Walking Dead's really good at the moment. Is that A+. I wouldn't say A+. Then why you, then bloody turf it, mate. It's because it's doing well.

So I'm like, I'm going to stick with this. Doctor Who, are you still on board with Doctor Who? Not at the moment, but I'm okay with Doctor Who. Okay. I just, I'm kind of sick of it. I'm sick of all this shit. This is a man having a breakdown live on a podcast. You don't hear this on every podcast.

No. Maybe you do. You hear it on marin you certainly do yeah but look on our upcoming episode our annual hunger games doctor who episode i will watch it coming up soon that's like two or three weeks yeah yeah absolutely anything else about avatar no okay give me an example of another a plus show at the moment. At the moment. Yes. I can't. I'm sure there is. I've heard Mr. Robot's amazing. I want to get on board with that.

Rick and Morty I talk about all the time. That's an A-plus show. That is an A-plus show. Do you have an A-plus show? Breaking Bad's not on. Not an A-plus. That's correct. That's an A-plus show. Everybody tweet us your A-plus show.

Yes. Can't be something we've already mentioned, something we do not know about, we've not mentioned on the show. Yep. It can't be a comic book show. That's my opinion. Unless it's like a... Actually, we've got someone who's written in about iZombie a bit later.

Okay, cool. I believe that's a comic book. Okay, cool. Show and comic. All right, it can be a comic book show.'s whatever you like whatever you like you you're one a plus recommendation it has to be on right now so i can't be like i love Battlestar Galactica okay fair enough i've got one more i'm excited for this yeah yeah oh what do you think of cgi yoda garbage okay planet of the i might have said it was good in a previous episode I don't care I think I think Dawn of the Planet of the Apes

is the pinnacle of a lot of stuff so what you're saying is it's all downhill from here no that's not is that what a pinnacle generally means

no precipice oh boy I don't know yeah like it's amazing the eyes the hair

the way it gets wet. We're not quite at CGI humans. That makes, wetter workshop. It all makes sense now. But I think that movie is a step towards that, a completely photorealistic CGI human. Okay. Do you have any agreement?

Now, this is a lot. We've got Andy Serkis as one character. We've got et cetera, et cetera. Andy Serkis of Tintin fame. Yeah. Was he Tintin? No. Jamie Bell was Tintin, who also played The Thing.

Yeah. The muscle man. The muscle man. Yeah. So are the characters in the Planet of the Apes movies, are they built on the fly? Is the entire character model built and then the actor just acts and it reacts live?

No, not exactly. I'm sure there are elements of that. But no, the actors are there and they do it and they're all in their ping pong suits and whatever. And then they paste the ape over the top. Chimpanzee or whatever species. Yeah, don't get it wrong. No, I would never.

I'm sure there's ones that we've missed. And again, this is, it's like Rocket Raccoon. Yes, it is. In the sense that at no point did I think they were not real yes i mean i did i'm not i'm not an idiot the bit where he was riding a horse firing two machine guns yeah oh boy yeah yeah it's good isn't it looking forward to the next one by all accounts they're filming it oh that's everything i know oh there was a shot where weekly planet exclusive and andy circus is on a horse and he's on a beach and it looks very similar to the Charlton

Heston. You're bloody, you got my Statue of Liberty. See, I cannot wait until- See, this is the thing. With a lot of- I guess because I'm not really invested in the old ones. Yeah. When there's a lot of-

Because they're crap. Yeah. They're absolute garbage. But whenever there's a remake, I'm always like, if it's Star Trek Into Darkness or something like that, I'm like, oh, they're going to make a hash of the remake. They're going to just reboot this and bring in Khan and it's not going to be any good.

But with this, I'm really excited for them to dovetail it into the child nest. I don't think it's the same universe. No, it won't be. It can't be. No, it can't be the same cannot see yeah i cannot wait to see what their take on it because it's going to have to go in somewhat of a similar direction yeah i think they've talked about the space journeys and etc yeah but also child nest is supposed to come back like isn't it like millions of years in the future so everybody's presumably dead at least a couple years in the future it's at least a couple years in the future future. It's at least a couple of years in the future. Yeah.

There we go. That's all the CGI characters. We've nailed every single one. Couldn't have missed one even if we wanted to. We are just that comprehensive at listing things and saying some things.

We certainly are. Yeah. So you know what it's time for. Oh, what's it time for? Oh, but I was going to say people also have a favourite CGI character. Oh, let us know what it is. Yeah, tweet us at our Twitter handles.

At Wikipedia Brown. At MrSundayMovies. Oh, wait. Yeah, I did that the opposite way. But if people want to send a letter, they can also go to weeklyplanetpod at Gmail. Correct. But we'll get to that because we're not up to that yet, are we? No.

What is it time for, though? Oh, it's time for what we're reading. What we're going to read. Theme song. I'm doing a theme. What are we reading today? What are you reading? What I'm reading, I'm reading two things.

Yes. The first thing, in honour of Spectre, which we haven't watched this week. Yes. I am reading the first issue of James Bond Vaga. You bloody snagged my What We Reading for next week. Oh, really? You son of a bitch. Okay, so Dynamite Comics has released a new three-issue.

They've started a new three-issue limited series written by Warren Ellis. And honestly, I would not have picked it up if it wasn't Warren Ellis, but it's pretty bloody good. Yeah, okay. I've started reading it and then I'm like, you know what, I'm going to wait and then I'm going to read it next week.

But it looks, from the first bit that I read, chases a dude down the street or whatever, I was like, this is pretty good. Yeah. And he doesn't look like Daniel Craig, does he? No, he is the, it's deliberately, I think. Pierce Brosnan. Yes.

It's deliberately in a... He looks very much like how the James Bond of the novels is described. Yes. Yeah. And I think it's deliberately in this middle ground world where it's not a specific Bond and it's not a specific era. Yeah. Like some of the characters are

for example in the first issue you never see anybody like on a cell phone or using a computer or anything like that so it could be set in the 60s or it could be now interesting you've got versions of em and money penny yep that could be from the 60s or could be now and yeah it's kind of it kind of starts like your classic bond he's on a he starts on like he's finishing up a sort of a revenge mission love it and then he's sort of he's going to berlin to to to take care of some business but he's going in unarmed will there be trouble who's to say probably not you'll probably be fine it fine. It's very decompressed storytelling. I love the art.

Yeah, it's great, isn't it? What do you mean by decompressed? Sorry. Like, not a lot happens in the first issue. Okay. I think maybe the middle third is going to be a lot. You think maybe the other comics from this comic run, other things will happen.

More things might happen in two and three, I think, those issues. That's interesting. Yeah. But it looks great. And it sounds great. Sounds great. If you hold it up to here, you can hear the ocean. Yeah.

I'm going to read Preacher this week. The whole thing. You can probably read the whole thing. Maybe not the whole thing, but I've heard nothing. I think you're going to have to read the whole thing. I will. I mean, I'll eventually do it. I've heard nothing but good things,

and it's time for me to bloody knuckle down and get into it, mate. I think there's maybe 10 volumes, 5 to 10, maybe 15, maybe none. I'll find out, won't I? You sure will. What if it's all a trick we've been playing on you for years and you open up the first volume and there's just nothing? Just a picture of a pile of poo. Yeah.

I would be very impressed that a lot of people went to the effort just to trick me specifically. Hey, speaking of a pile of poo, I also watched the first two episodes of Supergirl. Okay. See, I haven't watched it yet. I said I would and I didn't. Yeah. Go on. It's bad.

No. What do you mean? What do you mean? I'm going to give it four episodes yeah maybe it'll kick on a bit uh look if if you recall many months ago they released a seven minute extended trailer of the first episode i remember yeah that's the whole first episode right it's just imagine that watch that seven minutes just add some pointless filler yeah and that's the first episode yep look here's some And that's the first episode.

Yep. Look, here's some good points about the first two episodes I watched. Yep. The main actor, Melissa Benoist, I think is her name. Sure. She's very capable in that role as Supergirl. She's very charming. Yep.

She's good. Calista Flockhart is great as Cat Dredd. I've heard that. I've heard that, yeah. She's probably the best part of the show. Yep. The effects are pretty good. Do you think she still loves Harrison Ford?

Yeah, I think so, yeah. That's great. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, sorry, go on. I reckon they probably smoke a bowl every night and just... Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sorry, go on.

Look. Yeah, the effects are pretty good. You said... Last week you mentioned that someone said on Twitter, I think Patton Oswalt said it was a good fight. Was there a good fight? Yeah. The fight was pretty,

pretty solid. You heard it here first. Yeah. Second. Yeah. Up to Patton Oswalt. Up to Patton Oswalt. Yeah.

Uh, everything else is real bad. Cliche. Yeah. It's, it's very cliche. It's very generic. It's...

Is it for people like us? Is it for a younger audience like your Smallville kind of thing? I feel it's for a Smallville kind of audience. Okay, sure. Look, on the plus side, it does assume we know who Superman is. Do we? Yeah. Like, do we really know who anybody is?

Yeah. Go on. He's a nice nice lad uh so it it is a case of you all know who superman is now here's my story okay that's a point in his favor definitely but everything else feels very much like they just took the first draft and they went that's fine like the script it feels like they went hey should we tweak some of this dialogue so it seems more natural nah somebody got slapped for even suggesting it

yeah should we do more than one look they might have done they might I'm sure everybody put their heart and soul in this but it does feel like

they went should we do a second take on this nah it'll be fine okay so I don't have to watch it nah probably not I'll do two more

and I'll let you know how it goes. All right. Also, if you're wondering where the Monster of the Week comes from. I am. There was a... The Kryptonians put a whole bunch of super criminals in the Phantom Zone in a prison, like in a prison ship.

That prison ship got loose and it landed on Earth and they didn't do anything for like 10 years and now they're out causing trouble were they are they slowly like filtering out yes or they all get out at once they all got out at once but then they just laid low they just laid low for 10 years it's odd so basically the setup this time around is that Kal-El was sent to... How are we on time? No, we're fine. Okay. Kal-El was sent to Earth as a baby. Kara was sent...

She was like at 13, I think. And she was sent in the secondary spaceship, the last remaining spaceship on Krypton. Let's not question the logic of that. Do you see any of that? Yeah. You see that whole thing. What's the Krypton look like? Yeah, you more or less just see the... The capsule?

You just see the launch chamber. You don't really see Krypton. Go. Anyway, she's sent off as well, but then the destruction of Krypton sort of buffets her ship into the Phantom Zone, where in this version of the universe, time doesn't pass at all.

So when the ship finally gets out, like 20 years later, and she lands on Earth, Kal-El's already become Clark Kent and Superman, and she's still a child. Yeah, okay. And so, you know- Does he know her? Straight away? He rescues her from her ship. Okay, right.

So he- You see that? Yeah. You see Superman. away uh he rescues her from her ship okay right so he you see that yeah you see superman you see uh you see some silhouette you see him holding her hand really you know but and exactly it's weird right because normally in this sort of thing that's very impressive they don't even say they'll be like the big guy they wouldn't even say superman but this. And she is, you know who else you see? She's sent to the Danvers. Guess who Papa Danvers played by? Who?

Guess. I couldn't even. Dean Cain. No, he isn't. Yes, he is. Oh, my God. They've done it again. Doesn't speak, though.

What? You just see him and he's like, hmm. And that's the only time you see him? Yeah, in two episodes. Maybe he's back in three and four. I don't know. Wow. Yeah.

Ripley's Believe It or Not's Own, Dean Cain. Yeah, that's right. Believe It or Not. And he should. I should have guessed that. And also her sister is played by... Tom Welling. We were talking about Chris Evans,

who started out in Not Another Teen Movie. Her sister is played by the actor who played Lainey Briggs. Oh, really? Okay, cool. Great. Awesome. It's the who-so of shows. And she's partnered with the DEO,

the head of which is Hank Henshaw. Yeah, what's he like? Generic. Is he full Hank Henshaw, or is he like he'll slowly become a Hank Henshaw? No, he's just a completely generic man, but spoiler alert, at the end of, like,

the second episode, he's like, you did good, Supergirl. I'm real proud of you. Now I'm off down this hallway. And then he walks down the hallway and his eyes glow red for a second.

And they don't. Yeah, it's very... Are they going to do this, like, reverse flash where they're going to be, like, drag it out for the whole season? Like, everybody...

One can only hope. And also, there's this other bit that doesn't quite work. So is he a robot already? I mean, that's the implication, right? Yeah, I guess. Or something. I don't know. But so also the premise of this is she's working with the DEO to get rid of these super criminals.

And they're all like, you owe us, Supergirl. This is all your fault. And she's like, oh, I feel real supergirl this is all your fault and she's like oh i feel real bad why is it her fault it's not her fault exactly it's one of the plot points that you could fix again with like just have she should have a conversation with her parents yeah and and they'd be like no you it'd be like if you're're a child trapped in a spaceship hurtling through space. It'd be like if when you were five, you're in the back seat of your parents' car

and you're stuck in a traffic jam and there was an ice cream truck behind you and all the ice cream melted. Oh, no! My worst nightmare. And you felt guilt about it for the rest of your life. You know what I mean? It's not even... You just happen to be there.

Yeah, that's outrageous. It is outrageous. So, I cannot buy this premise. I want Supergirl updates every week. Okay, thank you. I will do that for you. Great. Anyway, it's fine.

And it feels like... Special effects? Yeah, not bad. Kryptonian heat vision is blue in this universe what's ice breath i just just a bit windy it's a bit windy a bit windy yeah okay um and that's about it uh supergirl's aunt is on earth as well and she is she is because she's one of the super criminals oh and she is she is the twin sister of of the super criminals oh and she is she is the twin sister of her mother which they really just hammer home with a lot of dialogue of like twin

sisters you're you're my you're my niece and i'll get you because i'm your aunt and i'm evil i'm your evil aunt you watch out i look like your mom isn't that a thing and it is because i'm your aunt and we're twins. Confusing. Is it? Anyway, that's direct dialogue from the show. Wow. Yeah.

So does she have the powers of Supergirl or Kryptonian as well? Yes. Good stuff. Is there any magic like in the Supergirl movie? Not so far. That's my final question. Not so far. Okay, great.

This is from Angel. What are we reading? First time writing. Maybe you could add this suggestion to the halloween what we're reading that ship has sailed yeah sorry too late mate have you seen the show i zombie it's loosely based on the comic book by vertigo and it follows live more he became a zombie that's very good isn't it live more he became a zombie and now works i wonder if they did that on purpose uh works at the morgue so she can eat brains

then she gets the memories and personalities of the person and solves crimes with that at first it feels like a regular police procedural but then it gets more interesting I really like it it's funny

it's clever sweet, sad and slightly gory sometimes and it was created by the same people who did Veronica Mars which is okay I guess I've never seen it so maybe check it out

or check out the comic book which I guess will be my what we're reading even though I heard it's nothing like the TV show I've never seen it. So maybe check it out or check out the comic book, which I guess will be my what we reading, even though I heard it's nothing like the TV show. I've heard good things actually about that show. Yeah. Yeah. And comic.

Speaking of live more. Yeah. Oh, I get it now. Speaking of comic book series, that might be TV shows or movies at some point that are about people getting memories by eating. Have you ever read Chew?

I haven't. I've heard it's good. Chew is very good. It's somewhat similar premise. Yes. He's a guy who can, when he eats, if he eats a vegetable, he knows the history of that vegetable.

He knows where it was planted and where it was harvested and where it went. But also, if he eats from a person, he knows their whole origin. He can sort of figure out how. Is he like, oh, I have to do this? Yeah, he is exactly like that. Yeah. Great.

That's a fun series. I'm all for it. All right, let's do some letters. Okay. And by letters, I mean some tweets. Yes. Because also there is the hashtag weekly planet pod. And if you do that and maybe tweet to one of us, we'll just search it regardless.

And take a few bloody questions off Twitter. Absolutely. Also, we don't have a letters theme this week. Oh, yeah. Maybe we do, though. And we didn't find it. Correct. Hey, guys, if you'd like, because as we know, James refuses to edit in a letters theme.

I've refused every week. And this week, I don't have to refuse. But if I had to I would yeah if I sprung one on you right now would you edit it in I'd break your phone in half

wow yeah so anyway if anybody would like to send us in a letters theme just freestyle it you don't want to do a James Bond-esque one

do a James Bond-esque one yeah because we've had a spy one we haven't had an espionage themed one so yeah if you'd like to send in a James Bond one

for next week, because we're going to talk about Spectre. Please. That'd be super duper. Fantastic. Just tweet it. Put it on YouTube. Tweet it at me.

Yep. And I'll play it through my phone. Please. Like a champion. Like a champion. Like a real bloody hero. This is from Alex on Twitter, who hashtagged Weekly Planet Pod. Very good.

Are there cancelled TV shows that should be given a second chance, like Arrested Development or heroes uh what do you think i would say yes and no in order there okay have you watched any of the new heroes no apparently it's not rating well maybe that's somebody's a plus show might maybe but the thing about heroes is well we've talked about this heroes existed in a time where there wasn't a lot of superhero tv shows and now it comes out now and people are like why would i watch this when i can watch supergirl yeah or whatever else a lot of these shows just come back anyway yeah like x-files is back up in the late 70s firefly it's gonna come back at some point in some form i have no doubt maybe it'll just be that universe but i

have no doubt the album and the feelings about that i went to a bar today they were playing that no doubt album i don't know why they're like oh yeah she was like this is 90s throwback day and i'm like great do you have beer also i don't give a shit anyway people seem uh sorry people seem to like Young Justice. People are like, bring back bloody Young Justice. But I think animated shows when they're cancelled generally don't come back. Futurama is the exception. Family Guy is a different exception.

Those are two exceptions. But yeah, things come back now, don't they? People bloody stamp their feet and then it comes back. See, I reckon it's not so much stamping their feet and then it comes back. Do they stamp... See, it's not... I reckon it's... It's not so much stamping their feet. Like, that doesn't achieve anything. It's more...

Well... People like, there's money in this. There's money in this, exactly. Okay, you're probably right. Yeah. I'll pay that. Anything you want to see come back? Do you think Firefly...

But when you say you think Firefly will come back in some form... Yeah. Do you mean any original cast members potentially yes but I would be very surprised if I live my entire life and we never see it

again there's so much feet stamping all I'm saying is feet stamping yeah yeah actually there was a show

I don't know man there's not what you don't think it's gonna come back I think when is Joss Whedon finished with the Marvel Universe now he's done What, you don't think it's going to come back? I think... When is Joss Whedon finished with the Marvel Universe? Now, he's done.

Oh, he's done. Yeah. He's producing and whatever, but yeah, no, he's... I don't think he's ever going to find the time again. Okay, fair enough. Yeah. I think he's going to go, you know what? I've had a lot of time in the Marvel Universe. Here's a new fresh idea.

Yeah. And then it'll tank. Like all this stuff. Because it doesn't have Disney behind it. Unless Disney's like, hey, you want a bit of juice? A bit of juice? A bit of juice, a bit of Disney juice. Okay.

You want to drink the Disney juice? Then maybe. I'm just looking at, there's a particular show that I remember being cancelled and I was pretty pissed off about at the time. Now and again, there it is. The one where John Goodman... His brain.

Was transferred into like a muscle man. Yes. Okay. Like a genetically engineered human being. So you want now and again to come back? No, but I just, not at all. But I remember when it was cancelled, I was like, that annoys me. But you know what?

It was my own fault. Because when it started on television here, presumably five years after it had come out overseas, they were like, the TV guys were like, this is an exciting new show from America. Look, whatever. And it was also like, unfortunately, it's been cancelled already. Yep. So I watched this full season knowing that it was going to be cancelled.

Yep. But he was this kind of superhero kind of guy and that's kind of why I watched it. Did it end on a cliffhanger? Yes, it did. Oh, boy. Yeah. You can only just imagine. You certainly can.

So there's nothing that you want to come back. Is that what you're saying? I already do not have enough time to watch what is out now. Absolutely. Yeah. Let it all be dead. What's done is done. Make new stuff.

I'm done with Firefly. I'm done with firefly i'm fair enough yeah fair enough yeah actually aziz ansari's got a new series coming out what's it called it's on it's on bloody it's called master of none it's on netflix right now great yes what's it about i don't know good i've seen the thumbnail yeah he's all a yellow font i think it's just a white font. That's interesting. Taking a different tactic. This is from James on Twitter also. Hashtag Weekly Planet Pod.

What's your opinion on trailers? Do you think a film could ever be released with a spoiler-free trailer? No. Unless it's just like text with the name of the film. No, I think it can. I think the issue is that people extrapolate to death. What are you saying? I'm saying we're part of the problem, ultimately. Yeah, you're right.

Yeah, absolutely. So you think there could be... There could be... Spoiler free if you don't look into it. Yes, and also I think that... See, for me, the, there can be spoiler free if you don't look into it. Yes. And also I think that. See for me, the Warcraft trailer is spoiler free. Cause I don't know anything about that universe.

I'm like, great. Yep. Good. Yeah. You're right. It is Master of None. It is a yellow font.

That is the classic font. I've done it again. Uh, I think if movie studios were willing to stop at the first trailer i think we could we could have some movies coming out that are spoiler you know that yeah we are free of spoilers yeah but they at this point they will never stop sure it's up just days before the movie is released they're like yeah have 10 more minutes of the movie what about this what about if they did one trailer and then they had the first five minutes of the movie what about this what about if they did one trailer and then they had

the first five minutes of the movie and that was all the promotional material and no spoiler free trailer and then like i don't want to see the first five minutes of the movie really yeah because then you have to go and watch it again i've seen bruce willis fight this robot yeah in this particular example it's the surrogates yes okay okay fair enough good pull so how thank you so is it so how do you how do you do it how do you do it then if you don't want to be spoiled just don't look into it don't watch trailers a lot of people do write in and say look i you know i didn't watch this particular episode listen to this particular episode i skipped it because i don't want to know anything about star wars

it's normally star wars yeah so i can appreciate that yeah i think honestly at this point in time if i wasn't doing this, I wouldn't watch anything. And maybe watch one trailer. You've reached that era in your life. I absolutely have. Yeah. I just, I don't.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm just happy with the teaser now at this point. Yeah. Minute. Minute 30. Yeah. Minute 30.

Yeah. Fair enough. That's all I want. Good stuff. One more letter. I'm ready. Hey, dickheads. Oh, i was not ready for that because i noticed there seems to be a lot of irish listeners me included uh what are some of the worst accents you've heard in movies from any time period

personally i'd have to say everyone trying to do an irish accent ever what are your thoughts from john not the john from ireland from a weeks ago. We have no way of knowing that. That's right. But yeah. Your accents are the same. Yes. I've got three terrible ones here that are Irish. Okay.

Brad Pitt, Devil's Own. Yes, sure. Not as much in Lockstock. That's not an Irish accent because they just made it incomprehensible. So it kind of works. Yeah. He's found the uncanny valley of accents. Richard Gere in The Jackal.

Oh yeah, that was bad. Tom Cruise, Far and Away. Yeah. Liam Neeson, even though he's Irish. Because what is that accent? What is he doing? Who knows? You got any bad accents?

Australians doing... See, this I think is particular to us but australians doing american yeah yeah it's very jarring even if i've never seen the actor before yep they're in an american movie i'm like straight away immediately that's an australian yeah unless they're very good which they can be you didn't know jay courtney was australian yes i did because of his accent because of his yeah yeah what about uh dick Van Dyke and Mary Poppins? Hello, bloody. It's all that.

It's just that all the way, isn't it? Just Ted, just at Ted the whole time. But, you know, I think there's something endearing about that. You couldn't have somebody come and do that now legitimately. No. But it works in that film. Yeah. Now imagine him doing that with any other race that isn't english well look what

about mickey rooney from breakfast my god some people have said lawrence olivier said that he was the greatest actor of his generation and he said breakfast if it is probably dead before that i don't know yeah okay That is the most bizarre choice. So for those people haven't seen it, Mickey Rooney, who's a little round faced American man who's dead now played a, I don't even know what, is he Japanese?

Is he supposed to be Japanese? I think so. And he's, and he does this full yellow face, screamingly offensive interpretation where he's got like big buck teeth and glasses and he's squinting the whole time. But it's just amazing.

Look, that was just the times. Remember when Connery was... Japanese. Yellow faced. I do remember that, yeah. And it was just they gave him a weird they give him a weird bowl cut that weird bowl caesar cut and just and he's like a six foot two scottish man scottish man he's in my j i did a james bond gadgets video and i said that was the worst one that is a bad

gadget if it even is a gadget there's also a john wayne movie and i can't remember which one it is but he is that one where he's native american no he's Genghis Khan. There's another one too. Oh, he's done it a few times. He's done it more than once, yeah. Yeah. Good for him. Yeah. Great.

What were we talking about accents? Don Cheadle's British accent in the Ocean movie That's really bad. isn't very good, is it? Even though he's a great actor. Very funny, very charming. I think that's a deliberate... Is that a deliberate choice?

Maybe it is, yeah. Let's pretend it is. I think I've got the worst one, though. No, the Mickey Rooney one's the worst one. Keanu Reeves in Bram Stoker's Dracula. That's a bad one, yeah. He's reaching to that one. But that's also a case of he's not a good actor.

You know what? I would say he's good at doing a particular thing. Acting confused. Yes, and that is not it. Right. Whatever happened in that movie. Is that a good movie doesn't matter that's the show for this week but i've got a uh just a quick shout out to john

fleetwood who did the i've been meaning to shout out fleetwood mac correct yeah actually his his twitter handle is he's in town we should hang out with him at i hate fleetwood oh but he did the song that he's i use it on my youtube videos now it's the weekly planet theme on the rock and roll it's great it's very cool and colin luen who i put out the call where i'm doing a luke skywalker kill count video i need to know how many people were killed in the death star and i threw it out on twitter i'm like i'm dying here i don't know because they get different numbers everywhere and he suggested in the book lost stars it says it's it's less than two million and that book is canon and that's the most definitive figure I have.

But also in that same book, the same character says it was close to a million. So I... Yeah. So if somebody knows that, if you know a definitive answer that's canon, please let me know. I would not have picked a million people on that thing.

No. Well, you didn't seem like I did it. No. It's like six guys yeah a lot of asteroids but yeah so colin gave me the closest um thing it's pretty great are you counting the bloody the thing in the monster in the trash yeah yeah yeah i'm not sure i'm still working through it okay good uh yeah someone also recommended the catchphrase for me this week um after they say after a day or or two of calibrating the perfect formula

to make a new catchphrase, I developed the perfect catchphrase for you, James. I cannot wait. It's get laid, get paid, gatorade. And then he says, it's perfect, I know. Please use this whenever you want. But yes, can I also be the official catchphrase wizard of the podcast? Yes.

I guess so, yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I can't wait for you to wizard of the podcast? Yes. I guess so, yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I can't wait for you to try this out at the end. I just did it. No, no, no. We're going to wait until the end. Oh, where can people find us?

Oh, they can find us on Weekly Planet Pod at Gmail and Facebook and Twitter and Bandcamp. Jesus, this is a long one. I know, right? God. We can edit out the stuff that wasn't good. Yeah. Well. Half hour episode.

We did it again. We should do that Return of the Jedi commentary at some point.'t good. Yeah. Well. Half hour episode. We did it again. We should do that Return of the Jedi commentary at some point. We should. Maybe this week. Maybe not. Yeah.

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everybody get laid get paid get a raid is that right let's try another one next week okay okay bye everyone bye get a raid i think it's pretty good fx is the veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road

from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.