The Weekly Planet - 11 The Weird History Of Spider-man In Film

Episode Date: December 9, 2013

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My name is James, Junior Editor at ComicBookMovie James, Junior Editor, that's your full name That's my full name You may know me as Mr. Sunday and joining me as always is my co-host, Nick Mason It's great to be here, Mr. Junior Editor It sure is. What a week. Mr. Manager.

That's... What a week it's been. Has it been a good week for you? Yes. Has it been a good week for comic book movie news? Yes. It sure has. I thought that we'd only be talking about The Amazing Spider-Man 2 this week.

Uh-huh. Because that was like the big thing. Uh-huh, sure. Because the trailer was coming out. And did. Mm-hmm. Which, you know, we'll talk about in a bit. But then there was also other news. News that blew minds the big thing. Uh-huh, sure. Because the trailer was coming out and did, which, you know, we'll talk about in a bit. But then there was also other news,

news that blew minds across the internet. I'm ready. Were they enraged? A little bit, somewhat. I'm ready to be enraged. Sure, absolutely. Now, I'm sure you've heard this because everybody has. I'm feeling a white hot, like just a white hot dot in my brain

just building and building and building. And whatever news you have, I'm going to unleash it on that news. Love it. Okay, you like women in comic book movies, right? Yes. Good. I thought you were going to say you're not going to release your white hot rage on that because you're sexist. Yeah, no, I'll save it for another one. You've trapped me.

You've trapped me. I'm not going to. I'm going to push it aside. Okay, so Gal Gadot or Gal Gadot. It's G-A-D-O-T. We're going to. I'm going to push it aside. Okay, so Galgadot or Galgadot. It's G-A-D-O-T. We are going to learn in the future how to pronounce that. We certainly are. Because the news is going to tell us how to pronounce that.

That's right. But we're not going to. We don't know. No, God no. Why would we? I'm going to say Galgadot. I think it's Galgadot. Like Waiting for Godot.

Like Waiting for Godot. I had a friend who saw that play. You know, it's got Ian McKellen. Apparently it's like all existential. Uh-huh, sure. But he said it was arty farty bullshit. There you go. Well, as we know, theatre, it's for nerds. It is for nerds.

That's right. Confirmed. Anyway, she's been cast as Wonder Woman in the Batman vs. Superman movie, which is the Man of Steel sequel, which may also feature The Flash, which is not the Justice League movie, though it sounds a lot like a Justice League movie. It does sound like it's building up to be a Justice League movie, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. What do you think of that?

I mean, first of all, what do you think of her being in the movie? Not the actor, but Wonder Woman in Justice League. What, do you mean Man of Steel? Man, yes. Two. Edit around. We'll edit around it. It's going to be great.

What do you mean, Man of Steel? Man... Yes. Two. Edit around. We'll edit around it. It's going to be great. I'm hesitant because of character overload. Yep.

Which, you know, classically it's been villain overload. Yeah. This might be hero overload. Could very well be. But, you know, only three. Yeah. Well, and possibly the Flash. Okay, so four.

Well, they're talking about... Maybe Green Arrow. Maybe Green Arrow. Why not? Yep. They were talking maybe, like, it... Well, the rumour is that Okay, so four. Baby Green Arrow. Baby Green Arrow, why not? Yep. They were talking maybe, well, the rumor is that it will be a smallish role. And she might not even be Wonder Woman. She might just be Diana Prince.

Yep. And who knows, maybe she'll just turn up at the very end and maybe a cameo after the end credits. Maybe not. But yeah. I don't know. I think all these things as well, they'll do nothing but help the movie at the box office. Totally. Because who's not going to see this?

Because every few months they're like, well not even, every few weeks they drop something else. And it's blowing minds. Unless... Maybe not in a good way, but... No, not at all. Unless we get kind of... At what point do you think we're going to hit the superhero movie wall?

Where people lose interest completely in superhero movies? I think they're going to have to start changing it up soon because a lot of them are getting pretty formulaic. I don't know about you, but I'm getting sick of everything grim. Yep. But I also don't like too much humour. Can I be pleased? You cannot be pleased. No.

No. We are the people of the internet. Can you make us happy? No, you cannot, movie industry. Yeah. I don't know. Look, I think it must be coming to a tipping point though, right? Yeah.

When there's too many comic book movies. Yeah, yeah. What do we do then with this podcast? We can talk about other things. Not well. We don't know anything about anything else. We barely know about this. That's true.

Yeah. Yeah. What about as far as the actress goes? Well, I have zero opinion, but I just Googled her name. Good work. And the first three news results, Superman versus Batman, no Wonder Woman, blah, blah, blah. Okay, the second one says, Gal Gadot too skinny to play Wonder Woman. Wow.

I know, right? It's funny she said that. We started on the body issues straight away. We did. Uncool. Uncool, the media and the people who said those things. Well, the thing is, though, that is a common complaint, that she doesn't look very Wonder Woman because she's quite skinny.

You know, which is true. But it's not like... You can say that about Christian Bale, when you're like, hey, he was in The Machinist. Well, that's right. He doesn't look very Batman-like, does he? Well, that's exactly right. It's not like there's not time for her to bulk up between now and then. I don't think it's an issue at all. It's not an issue,

and I think the media at this point should really learn. Like, during the Avengers, you know, they would say... Are we the media? No, we're not the media. We're radical anarchists. Okay, cool.

Because we're using the internet to get our message across. But the mainstream media, the MSM, you know, those guys, the fat cats, them fat cats with their little press badges and such. When the Avengers

came out, all the press, you know, all the Q&A question time situations, it was always to the men, it was always, you know, what do you think of the evolution of your character? Blah, blah, blah. And then to Scarlett Johanssonson it was always what kind of diet did you

did you have to get it fit in that cat suit you know it was none of you know don't ask her about her character which is the worst just leave it alone because that character has a lot of interesting backstories

but it's the same thing for Star Wars though whenever people talk about Carrie Fisher in Star Wars it's like first of all she was a coke head at the time. Yeah, right. But it's like, she had her breasts taped down for the first one. Uh-huh.

Because she wasn't wearing a bra. And that's always a big thing that always comes up in every interview with Carrie Fisher. Why was there no bras in space? Good question. Sexist. Space sexist. Yep. And the other thing is that she had to go to a fat farm.

What? Well, that's what she called it, for the first Star Wars. I did not know that. And then do a similar thing. Even with the coke? Yeah. Well, I don't think she probably wasn't that coked up at called it. For the first Star Wars. I didn't know that. And then do a similar thing. Even with the coke? Yeah. Well, I don't think she probably wasn't that coked up at that point. Allegedly.

Allegedly. Don't. And yeah, that's true. She was. I'm holding it. I don't know. And they're the same thing. She had to do the same thing for the metal bikini.

Huh. And of course, there's all, you know, but that's pretty much the main talking points for that character. So, you know, sexism. Sexism. Yeah. I'm against it. That's right. Yeah. Also, people are saying that Zack Snyder doesn't know how to, you know, sexism. Sexism. Yeah. I'm against it. That's right.

Yeah. Also, people are saying that Zack Snyder doesn't know how to, you know, how to cast women or whatever, which I actually don't think is true. I haven't seen Sucker Punch. Have you seen Sucker Punch? No, I hear it's the worst. I've heard it's the worst. But he's also Lena Headley from 300.

He cast her. Yep. She's a... Headley? Hedy. Hedy. She's amazing. The woman who played Silk Spectre in Watchmen.

Great. Amazing. Yep. Faora from Superman of Steel. Oh, yep, sure. She's amazing. The woman who played Silk Spectre in Watchmen. Great. Amazing. Yep. Faora from Superman of Steel. Oh, yep, sure. Amazing. Great. And Superman's mother from Man of Steel.

Also amazing, though in it briefly. I guess Lois Lane, though some people don't take issue with her. But they're all strong female characters. I don't think it's an issue on that point. It's not like Michael Bay where he's got someone draped over a motorcycle in short shorts. He's got someone draped over a motorcycle in short shorts. It's not like Michael Bay where allegedly he car swum by having them come over to his house and wash his car. Allegedly.

Allegedly. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to hear the deal with the Flash though? Yes. So this is a rumoured story. Uh-huh. That basically...

The Flash is getting all over the place. He is, isn't he? He is. Yeah. Did you see that? No. I'm not up to it yet. Okay, cool.

That's getting a little bit more formulaic, that show. I'm slowly catching up, but there's a bit of, you know... What episode are you at now in season one? Like, 16? I think it gets better in season two. So push through. I will. Push through the pain barrier.

Fantastic. That's a lot of sci-fi comic book kind of media. Just push through it. Some of it is better. Some of it is better. Some of it is okay. You will enjoy it. All you have to do is force it down.

Yeah. There's been a bit of, you know, we're the same, you and I. Oh, yeah. Are they the same, though? Is that why they said it?

No, I think they're... No, they are. Okay. I told a friend of mine that I was going to be watching Arrow and I'm like, I'm way behind.

I haven't watched any episodes. And he's like, yeah, it's good, but what generally happens is he finds a corporate, you know, some sort of corporate criminal. And he says, you meant your evil ways, or I'll kill you, right? And then they either do or they don't, and then he kills them or he doesn't kill them. But in the meantime, he just goes into their headquarters and just kills all their employees. Like all the bodyguards who presumably have families wives and children and bills to pay

and whatever who are just guarding this guy who they think is just some corporate fat cat guy. They just get an arrow through the chest and it's fine. Nobody mentions it. Well they kind of steer away from that in season 2. Because of all the murders. Because of all the murders. Like, he drops the list and he changes his code.

I won't spoil it for you, but... It's not really that big a spoiler, but yeah, that changes. But yeah. As far as the Flash goes, though... So, this is the story. Yep. The Justice League will represent the UN. So, Superman represents the world, because he's an immigrant and he's a citizen of the world.

Uh-huh. Batfleck is the US. Uh-huh. Batfleck is the US. Uh-huh. American. Yep. Um, Gal Gadot, Wonder Woman. Oh, so this is, this is the Justice League's set up. Yeah.

Okay. This is the Justice League's set up. So they, so yeah, so they're not just, we're the Justice League of America. It's like, we're the Justice League of everybody. Of you and me and that poor kid in France. Yep. I don't know his name. But, uh, but, um, hey, so Gal know his name. But, but,

hey, so Gal Gadot is, is, Wonder Woman is like a Middle East kind of area. No, apparently not.

But that's, this is, this is a rumour. So, who knows? And The Flash will be possibly a Latino or South American gentleman.

Huh. Whatever's. Okay, next big news. Hey, quick, quick check. Sure.

Are you drunk or hung over today good question yeah glad you asked earlier okay i uh i did go out i went to a winery tour yesterday and i didn't drink that much because i was like you know what i don't want to be an incredible not really a wine guy to be honest yeah i had a few beers i got immersed in wine the whole time everything fell apart by the end. People were jumping all over each other. Have you ever done a winery tour? It starts off all civil.

Yeah. People are like, oh, this is delightful. And then it's just at the end, just people crashing into each other and throwing things. Yeah. It's madness. And I bailed. Because I love comic book movies. Absolutely, you do.

Okay. I love how you didn't know, though. You were like, he could be. He still looks terrible. It's tough to say. You do. You're like, he could be. He still looks terrible. It's tough to say. You do. You're like rotten, mate. No, you're fine.

So big X-Men news as well. I'm ready. Bryan Singer announced, and this happened the same time as the Wonder Woman and Spider-Man trailer, that we're getting X-Men Apocalypse in 2016. Big X-Men movie. Yeah. Big X-Men villain. That's right. And that's all we know about it. That is just the name and-Men movie. Yeah. Big X-Men villain. That's right.

And that's all we know about it. That is just the name and the release date. Yep. Now, I don't know that much about Apocalypse because I'm only a casual X-Men fan. But my understanding is you know more than anybody in the world about Apocalypse. Boy, do I. I can say heaps of words about him. Not necessarily accurate.

So where do you think this movie will go? What direction? Well, there's going to have to be his origin story. So there's going to be... Because he's the first mutant. Yeah. So he's 5,000 years old or what have you. Yeah.

Born in Egypt. And he's one of those characters who's got a... He's very Marvel in that there's a lot of... He's interacting with a lot of characters. And his powers are sort of a combination of a lot of things. Because I read that he can do pretty much anything. He can do anything.

He can, did you never play Marvel vs. Capcom? Yeah, yeah. The video game? Yeah, he's the villain in that. Oh, I can't. The giant one. I never beat those games. Drill hand.

At the end of those games. He's got a big drill hand. He's got a big drill hand. They're madness, those games. Yeah. It's just flashing. Is that where the villain is just half the screen at the end yeah that's the one

okay I never got there okay well so basically he's a combination of a lot of things drill hand he's got a drill hand but he can you know he can

change size and shape he can you know project energy or teleport or you know pretty much I think he can read minds

yeah he can read he's got turn invisible he's got like complete molecular control so he can read he's got he's turned invisible he's got like complete molecular control so he can turn into anything and he's also sort of he's also got

technology from the Celestials who are sort of like this alien this alien super advanced alien race so you know well they've given him stuff I think he stole it

okay it's a little bit of a hego but yeah so he's got but again because that's as a character he's so marvellous we're going to have to cut some of that little bit vague I think. But yeah. But again because that's so as a character he's so marvellous

we're going to have to cut some of that out. Yeah. Like I think the alien tech is going to have to go away

because they're been any aliens in the X-Men universe? The cinematic universe? Not to my knowledge.

Okay then that's going to go. Yeah. I'm going to say Egyptian backstory pretending to be a god throughout the centuries.

He's gone into hibernation now he's back. Yeah. Well isn't he waking up from hibernation now he's back yeah well isn't he waking up from hibernation from Cable coming back in time

is that one of the versions oh that's right because now we've introduced time travel into the yeah okay so maybe that's mind's time travel

oh yeah it's not actually okay but you know they could chat who knows how that movie is going to turn out I reckon they're going to

skip that I reckon Cable is too I reckon Cable is too odd for the movies I reckon no go on I reckon Cable is too odd for the movies. No go on. I reckon it's just going to be Apocalypse in Hibernation. Nobody remembers he exists and now he's back in the modern era. And they're going to have to fight him.

I think that's going to be it. Well, they're merging, though, the Fantastic Four and X-Men characters. Because they're owned by Fox. So they're expanding it. So they might be seeing more of that kind of stuff. They're trying to make it more Marvel. That sounds awful. Yeah.

I think there would be no... There's no... There's going to be two competing Marvel universes. The Marvel Studios universe, which is great, more or less. With a couple of misses, but it's a great, fun universe. And then there's just going to be Marvel universe for dummies, which is the Sony one. Fox. Yeah, Fox, whatever.

But I feel like this is like another thing where they're going to get in Apocalypse before the Avengers get in Thanos properly. Right. And before Justice League get in Darkseid. Uh-huh. So will it be like, so will he show up in the Avengers 3 or whatever, Thanos, and they'll be like, we've seen this guy, he was in bloody, you know, whatever. Because they're pretty similar-ish, big hulking grey-ish kind of guy.

That's a good point, actually. Oh, are you saying 2016 is the year of the big hulking grey-ish guy? I can't wait. I'm calling it now. I'm going to get all the Slurpee cups. Yeah. All the commemorative Slurpee cups. That's it.

Because you know how they're both using Quicksilver and whatever. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're not obviously the same character but we know that but the general public I'd say wouldn't be able to perceive that.

Also, this movie could literally be set in any point in time. Yeah. Because he's always banging around time and space isn't he? Yes.

So you wouldn't necessarily have to be Wolverine-centric. I hope not. Yeah. Well, Hugh Jackman said this week, he's like, I don't know if I want to do another Wolverine. He's like, I'm kind of, he to be Wolverine-centric. I hope not. Yeah. Well, Hugh Jackman said this week, he's like, I don't know if I want to do another Wolverine.

He's like, I'm kind of... He's doing Wolverine 3 and Days of Future Past, and he's like, I don't know, man. I don't know. How old is he now? He's 45. I guess so. Seconds.

Yeah. Yeah. Can't go forever, can you? Exactly, yeah. That's interesting. But you know what? They really need to, you know, kind of step up

more X-Men characters because he will leave eventually and you need somebody else. So I feel like now if Robert Downey Jr. left the Marvel Universe it would take a hit but it would bounce back

because it's got other massive properties. Thor just crossed 600 million. Thor the Dark Lord 600 million worldwide. So they'll still do alright but I don't know.

Then again First Class is amazing and Wolverine's not really in it but would any of those characters could any of those characters carry a solo movie I think um Magneto could young Magneto I guess so yeah but other than that probably not maybe Iceman maybe Toad maybe Juggernaut no none of those you're a liar there's that red hot or white hot anger you were talking about right there. All right. Now we're getting into the main crux of this episode. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before

thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Will you rise with the sun to help change mental health care forever? Join the Sunrise Challenge to raise funds for CAMH, the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, to support life-saving progress in mental health care. From May 27th to 31st, people across Canada will rise together and show those living with mental illness and addiction that they're not alone. Help CAMH build a future where no one is left behind.

So, who will you rise for? Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. Can I mention, and I think this might lead into it, Spider-Man musical news. That's closing up on Broadway. It is. And hang on, where were we?

It didn't come here, did it? No, it didn't. I would have definitely seen it I think because it's too elaborate yeah yeah so this news report says Bono

optimistic about future of Spider-Man musical so maybe it's gone to Vegas I think that might be the it's not yeah I really wish I'd have seen this

by all accounts listeners if you haven't seen it by all accounts yeah it's just a nonsensical farce it has really nothing to do with it cost 75 million dollars

you know how many people injured themselves before getting it 75 million dollars and just it's also something that annoys me in order to make it work,

apparently it didn't work, but in order for it to work on any level, the creators had to add in additional characters that don't exist in the Spider-Man universe. Oh yeah, there's a female villain. There's Arachne, who was originally the main villain, I think, and then they had to rework the entire thing, now she's like a some sort of flashback character and there was like a geek chorus like a greek chorus that would explain things that were happening because they were so unclear and there was a villain they had the sinister six but instead of like they took out one of the six i think it might have been craven the hunter and replaced it with a new character called swiss miss what is that why

is there not surely there's another if even if they want a gender balance or something i don't with a new character called Swiss Miss? What is that? Why? Is there not... Surely there's another... Even if they wanted gender balance or something like that, surely they could have replaced Craven or Electro

or somebody with any other female... Spider-Man's got enough villains. He's got a lot of villains. If you can't build a Spider-Man musical with the existing characters that he has,

with hundreds of existing characters, you've messed up somewhere. I don't think there's a man in musical theatre who'd be willing to go shirtless. Yeah. That's what I think that comes down to. That's a really good point, actually.

That's pretty incredible. Is this Swiss? Swiss Miss. Swiss Miss. Yeah, although, so that's going to move to Vegas. I would hope, though, there was an option here that maybe it'll be replaced

by the Australian musical King Kong, the musical, which I just saw. Is that an Australian musical? Yes. I did not know that. It's at the Regent Theatre. Yeah, I've seen it. Americans, if it gets there, if it gets to America, see it.

Australian listeners, get a cheap ticket, go and see it. Are you sure it's an Australian musical? Yes. Huh. You saw it as well? I saw it, yeah. Huh. Let's discuss it.

Okay, just quickly. I thought it was great, but not for any of the reasons that the producers thought it was great. Well, terrible songs, I thought. Awful. Forgettable songs. The story is nonsensical. Totally. There's a song that goes for about five minutes.

The main character guy sings about his father building a bridge. And then it just then peters out. Yeah. And people are just confused. There was a lot of smatterings and confused applause. Yeah. Yeah. But also, it's an amazing spectacle when it gets to the

second act I went of course they just want this to be Moulin Rouge with a giant ape there's a dubstep sequence there's two dubstep

sequences in it how did they do that it's set in the 30s yeah incredible weird staging I remember I turned to the person I saw it with

and I said, if this musical opens with somebody talking about singing about New York, the songs are all going to be garbage. And the first line is something like, New York, greatest city in the world! I'm like, this is going to be shit. Oh boy, and now.

But yeah. But it's just, they just packed it in with the most ridiculous stuff they could. There's even a bit, my favourite part, is there's a bit where the ape does a leap

and in slow motion and he leaps and he hits the ground with a three point superhero like two feet and like a giant fist on the ground

and then all the performers around him are wired and they just fly out there's a shockwave and they fly up

into the air in slow motion it was great anyway fingers crossed that goes to Broadway and we get Spider-Man just fly out there's a shockwave and they fly up in the air in slow motion it was great anyway fingers crossed that goes to Broadway and we get Spider-Man

because the region has been rigged out for just weird special effects and weird staging so fingers crossed I really hope so

oh boy listen to see it see it for reals don't pay a lot of money for the ticket and maybe take your favourite recreational drug before you go in just there's an option for you well I had a friend who's had to see it for reals don't pay a lot of money for the ticket and maybe take your favourite

recreational drug before you go in just there's an option for you well I had a friend who's had to see it twice and he said the second time did they put one of those

exploding collars on him pretty much he went with his girlfriend and then people at work bought tickets and he didn't have the guts to tell them oh no maybe

I don't wanna I don't wanna go because I've already seen it so he just went along like a I was gonna use a bad word but I'm not gonna no don't want to go. Because I've already seen it. So he just went along. Like a... I was going to use a bad word, but I'm not going to.

No, don't do that. And he goes, it was a painful watch, second time around. Oh, really? Because I've seen The Ape. That's a good point, actually. We've spent way too much time on this.

No, more time. No, that's all right. Continue with you. Okay. Spider-Man. We are going to talk about the history of the Spider-Man films leading up to the Raimi film.

But before that, we've got to talk about the trailer. Okay. What did you think of it? I don't like mechanical Rhino. I wish he was regular Rhino. Yeah. But I think because they did the lizard last time,

they were like, we've done a kind of hard-paneled man. Yeah, okay, fine. Then again, that would lead perfectly into the Rhino because... They've already got the technology. Yeah, they've got the technology, yeah. Oh, no, I think...

Are you sick of mechanical suits in movies? Probably, yeah. technology. Yeah, they've already got the technology, yeah. Oh no, I think, are you sick of mechanical suits in movies? Probably, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's the ultimate Spider-Man version, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. That's an interesting choice, but...

Another interesting choice, that guy as Harry Osborn. Oh, Dane DeHaan? Once you've had James Franco as anything, he's a bit snivelling, this guy. Well, I guess, you know, that's alright though, isn't it? Can't he be a snivelling dude? I didn't love James Franco as whatever Harry Osborn.

How dare you. Because he's not I don't know I love James Franco but I was like eh eh eh

eh eh eh eh You were conflicted. You know? Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. And that's another thing. There are three villains that we know of in this

movie. Rhino which is apparently in it for the first only 20 minutes or so. Okay, good. Allegedly, apparently. Uh-huh. The Electro, who looks incredible. Yeah.

Do you agree with that? Okay, yeah, he does. And, um... Kind of a Jeff Lightingbald face, but whatever. It's fine. We've discussed it before. It's fine. My dreams aren't going to come true.

And the, um... Some form of the Goblin. Could be Green Goblin. Could be Hob of the goblin could be green goblin could be hobgoblin could be new goblin i don't know you gobbled new goblin they were really they really stopped trying at spider-man yeah it even just said i'm like on the action figure package of a new goblin whatever whatever yeah ski ski snowboard man flying snowboard man i um i was gonna say yeah well i he's never actually called new Goblin in the movie, so I'm sure that was like a marketing thing where they were just like, we'll just call it New Goblin, that's

fine. Great. Yeah. Don't like it. Yeah. But I don't know. What do you think about all those villains in it? Again, I'm sick of Villain Overload.

Yeah. But again, if they're going to restage it so we see the Rhino at the start because that's just Spider-Man's day-to-day at this point, I'm okay with it. Cool. All right. Well, there was also hints towards Doc Ock, Vulture. Oh, because in the lab, there's the... Which is cool.

I don't think they'll be in it. No. But I thought that was cool. As well as Venom and Morbius. Their names are mentioned. When Harry Osborn's like, Peter Parker, the Oscorp has been watching you. And he uses his hologram table or whatever. And he's...

I didn't find this. Oh. So I'm going to need to find it And he's... I didn't find this. I found it. It's got a few names of things. It's got like... What's the insane asylum called in Spider-Man World? I can't remember.

No. It's like their Arkham. Yeah, yeah. I can't remember what it's called. But there's that and there's something about Morbius and there's something about Venom. Huh.

So, perhaps saying that all these villains might lead into the Sinister Six in the next movie. People are saying that. You know what I'd love to see in the next movie? What's that? Sinister Six. They all show up and they kick the crap out of Peter Parker.

He's like, why? Why? And then he gets the black suit and he goes back and he just tears through them. That would be cool. That would be pretty good. I'd like to see the black suit done properly. I'm tired of reboots.

Do something new. Do somethingots. Do something new. Do something new. Do something new film industry. Come on. What about some kind of blue suit? I would have said... Ooh. Ooh.

Or a mechanical suit. Yeah. He had a... He's been armored. He's been armored, yeah. In the past. Ridiculous. Yeah.

I don't know. That list of names. Morbius, good. Yep. Venom, eh. Not so good, yeah. I want more obscure names. That list of names. Morbius, good. Venom, eh. Not so good, yeah. I want more obscure names. Yeah.

Quite frankly. I'd like to see Carnage, but you can't go Carnage without Venom. Just like a complete psychopath. Right. Because you know Spider-Man, you can kind of, a lot of his villains,

you can reason with them and they're smart people and whatever. If you really sat them down for long enough, you could probably explain them out of doing whatever they Like a long brunch Yeah like a long brunch Yeah yeah yeah

Like a couple of mimosas Yeah Like a long brunch Yeah okay Yeah But carnage not so much Nah Anyway

There's that all out So do you think it's going to be good? I never said that Do you think it's going to be good? Oh no Really?

Yeah I still haven't seen the first one Okay fair point Well look I like the fact that they've dropped the seem to have dropped the grim tone from the first one, which you have not seen. No.

But, so, it's a lot more colourful, which I like. Yep. So, more comic book-ish, I guess. Because Spider-Man's not supposed to be... He broods a little bit, but he's not your Bruce Wayne brooding kind of guy. You know what I mean? Another thing is that, in the first one as as well they did a lot of mechanical web swinging a lot of that was done

practical okay and they seem to just gone nah we're not doing that anymore and they've just done all CGI which is fine though

I mean of course you've got to do a lot of that yeah yeah I mean there still is CGI web swinging in the first one but there's a lot of

practical stuff does it look good the practical stuff that's fine okay then yeah well if we're all ambivalent then

CGI's the way to go. Because then you can have him, you know, because he's very flexible. Yeah. A stuntman's not going to be able to do that. When the, you know, the... What about the stuntman who's stretched? Oh yeah, the stretched. Yeah, like maybe

they've broken a few of his bones in preparation. Yeah, definitely. That would work. Because when I was going to... In the 90s, when Spider-Man was taken over by Todd McFarlane, and he sort of really ramped up how dynamic-looking that character is, and kind of

throwing his legs and arms and legs in all sorts of weird beyond-human kind of ways. Spider-ish poses? Spider-ish poses. That was really sort of a turning point for that character. And if you can, if that's not going to work on screen, I want to see that on screen. Yeah. Basically. Fair point. Yeah. Well, I think there will be a lot of that. Otherwise you get the 1970s Spider-Man TV series. Leading into. Oh boy. So now you've

changed your mind. It's going to be the best movie ever. Moving on. We are going to talk about today the history of Spider-Man films. There's a number of unsuccessful projects that tried to get off the ground since the mid-70s up until the Raimi films. And it is just nonsense. Really? Because I started to read this earlier this week. I'm like, what are we going to do for a podcast? I'm like, wow, there is a lot of stuff here. A lot of crazy... Does anyone get murdered? Well, wow, there is a lot of stuff here. A lot of crazy... Does anyone get murdered? Well, yeah, there's a little bit of that. It's a lot of irrelevant stuff.

This is like the history of the jetpack. It's exactly like that. People keep stealing the jetpack. People get murdered over jetpacks. Guess what, guys? Jetpacks are useless. Burn your legs off. Fly around for three minutes. You know what you can do? Get in a plane. Yep.

Fly around for hours. Idiots. Would you not buy a jetpack? You know what? This episode I'm going to direct my white hot rage towards people who enjoy jetpacks. I know. Gee. So you don't like the Rocketeer?

That was great though. That's the exception. It's pretty great. Exception that proves the rule. Okay. The first one was in 1975. Uh huh. This was a... A dark age. The first one was in 1975. Uh-huh. This was a...

A dark age. It sure was. My God. I'm so glad I didn't, like... These weren't my big years in that era. You know what I mean? Yeah. I just don't know what would have become of me.

I just... I just don't know. But that's looking back. That's looking back, though. You wouldn't have... You wouldn't have missed Facebook and Twitter. You're right, yeah. Because you wouldn't have known they existed.

Because I'm too busy recording cassette tapes. Correct. Which I guess I still did. Didn't even happen in the 70s. Yeah, that's true. 8 Tracks, man. 8 Tracks, man. Yeah, there you go.

Okay, so Steve Krantz, one of the producers of the 1960s Spider-Man cartoon, tried to launch a live-action Spider-Man movie in the mid-70s. And here's the interesting part, even though that's really interesting. That's very interesting, the thing that you said. You said a name. You said a number of dates. Originally, he wanted to make it a splashy action fantasy musical. Yeah!

Do you think we'll ever get a terrible, flashy Spider-Man musical? No. It's too... It's a dream. Yeah. It's a beautiful dream. We can only imagine the wonders that would

have come out of that. But eventually he realised basically that the more straightforward approach was the one to take. So in 1976... Have you ever seen

Cop Rock? I've heard of Cop Rock. We should watch Cop Rock. Do you want to explain Cop Rock just quickly? Well, it's a police procedural. Yep.

But it's also a musical. And it's like 22 episodes a season. So it's different songs every... Is that right? I don't know how many episodes it might have been. I think mine might have been cancelled after eight or something. So it was completely everything is sun. Well, I just don't know.

We should get it. We should find it. I'll get it. Cop Rock. I'm going to check legitimate sources right now while you speak. Yes, you are. I'm going to let you know if we can get it. I'm going to check legitimate sources right now while you speak.

Yes, you are. I'm going to let you know if you get it. So in 1976, he was pitching another Spider-Man story that involved a college-aged Spider-Man. That's more in line, I think. Includes the death of Gwen Stacy. Okay. He fights a hundred foot tall robot. I'm on board. Plus Nazis.

Do the Nazis control the giant robot? You'd think they would. I think they're separate things because I've got them on two different lines here. But the giant robots are the Nazis' thing. That's true. I mean, other things, certainly. Yeah. Not fun things.

Just being pricks. Yeah, just being pricks. Obviously, great uniforms, that's two. And three, giant robots. Usually with a brain inside, maybe Hitler's brain inside. I would assume they can... Well, let's assume they could... I'll put them on the same line. Okay, please do.

Now, that one obviously never got on the ground. But in 1977, Columbia Pictures, who actually own the rights to Spider-Man now... This is the part that you particularly wanted to talk about, is that right? The disco-era Spider-Man TV series about a grown-up Peter Parker who gets spider-based powers. You loved that show when you were a kid, didn't you? You know what? Slash movie. I remember renting the VHS a lot.

Yeah. That's pretty much it. But those were the... I remember there's a daring rescue right at the start, where he very awkwardly and very slowly climbs up a building. Like a spider. Like a spider, very incredibly slowly, to rescue somebody who's about to jump off a ledge. Well, the first movie...

Do you like fast pacing? Do I ever. You won't find it in this. That was in the day, though, where it was like, you get the Superman movie, that's it. Yep. And everything else is garbage or never comes into fruition. That's true. This one being the garbage side of things.

So basically, the one that you saw, it it sounds like was about a new age guru who might have told people to become criminals and then he threatens to make ten New Yorkers commit suicide unless he gets ten million dollars. That's the one. Yeah. So he's Spider-Man Invents Web Shooter swings into action against the guru and his army of samurai? I don't remember that part.

Huh. There were two other movies that were added together from this series. One called Spider-Man Strikes Back, where... Atomic Bomb. Yes! I remember that one. Yeah. So basically, Peter Parker's students accidentally gained the materials to create an atomic bomb.

Accidentally. How do you accidentally... Dunno. Yeah. You crack open, like... And were they gonna use it? They're gonna be like, this'll be funny. What a prank.

Yeah. We're gonna prank the dude with this He's never gonna expect it And the other one was called What was Fallout? The other one was called Spider-Man the Dragon's Challenge Don't remember that one Which was basically

Spider-Man goes to Hong Kong To chat To save a Chinese politician Accused of corruption Resulting in a boat chase Hijinks. Yeah. So,

I don't know, maybe, well, that was like, there were more than those episodes, but those are the ones that were edited together

as telemovies and were in some places screened in series. Let's get some of these. Next week, I'm going to report back on these. Really? Yes.

God. Not all of them, obviously. You know what, I'm just going to sort of scrub through and watch five minutes at a time. From what I've seen, his webbing is just rope. It's what? I'm just going to sort of scrub through and watch five minutes at a time.

From what I've seen, his webbing is just rope. It's pretty much just rope. Like white kind of stringy rope frayed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And his spider sense was very vaguely defined.

Like you could just see sort of blue and red like flashes of just things. If that was his actual spider sense, that would be really distracting. So if someone's about

to punch you and then you get a blue and red flash, that person would definitely hit you. They would definitely hit you, yeah. Straight through that. I was going to say, Hong Kong, interesting choice. Batman's gone there since. Sure. I guess, does Asia love Spider-Man?

There's an Asian Spider-Man TV series where he pilots a giant robot. Nazi robot? No, it's a regular robot. It's an a giant robot. Nazi's robot? No, it's a regular robot. It's an amazing Japanese robot. It's an alien robot.

An alien comes down and gives him alien... Is this one of those things where they didn't actually have the rights and they just did it? No, it's a real thing, I think. God. And it's an alien comes down. It's an alien with spider powers. Yep, makes sense. Who I think needs a champion to

save the world or whatever and so he gives a guy why does he care he gives it's like a it's like a japanese i don't know it's like a japanese motocross daredevil or something and he gives him the spider powers then he becomes spider-man but there's very little i've watched some clips there's very little actual spider-manning there's mo because he's got the giant robot obviously yep and the motorbike and the motorbike but he's also got like a Spider-Man car. Just drives around in it. It's pretty cool. But yeah, it's one of those ones that follows the classic format of there's like a villain

and he goes to punch on with a villain. Yeah. And then the villain grows to gigantic size before he can defeat him. And he's like, well, but he is the giant robot then. Just like Power Rangers. Just like Power Rangers. And every other Japanese thing ever. Yep.

Exactly. So yeah. After that. Sushi. Yeah. You're just about to And every other Japanese thing ever. Yep. Exactly. So, yeah. After that... Sushi. You're just about to eat it. Gross and gigantic size. You need a robot. So, in 1982, Roger Corman.

You know Roger Corman. Oh, yeah. The B-movie. The king of B-movies. That's it. He was going to produce his own version. Licensed or unlicensed? Licensed.

In a big way. He made, sorry, the legendary original Fantastic Four movie. Oh, the one that... Yeah, okay. It was never released. Yeah, and he nearly made this particular Spider-Man movie. Have you seen that Fantastic Four movie? No.

It's in clips. It looks just the worst. Oh, good. Yeah. Now, basically, the Coleman movie was based on a treatment by Stan Lee himself. Ooh. Yeah, which stuck pretty close to the comics

and the story was basically this Peter Parker is a college student again uh huh facing Doctor Octopus and he would have had a few love interests including Mary Jane Watson and a sexy KGB agent

ooh who I assume is Black Widow uh huh was Black Widow around then yeah she was yeah yeah

but apparently Lee's screenplay was too ambitious, including a huge sequence where Spider-Man fights atop the UN building with lots of swinging,

sticking to walls, leaping, jumping and falling, all while dodging Doc Ock's arms. Do you think

I was going to say arms then? Yes. Yeah, fair enough. Okay, that's good. Ah,

that's great. And there was probably also a really long involved sequence where Spider-Man is manted by Stan Lee.

Well, buddy, you should say that. There we go. But I'm going to get to that later. Meanwhile, Spider-Man also finds time to prevent nuclear war with Russia. They were all about that back in the day. What is this? Yeah, the 80s. They were all about that.

Was everybody just terrified of nuclear war? It's pretty bad. Yeah, I know. But like, because I remember asking my dad, you know, I was like, when you were, you know, my age or whatever, were you like terrified of nuclear war? And he's like, yeah, you know, but like, because I remember asking my dad, you know, I was like, when you were, you know, my age or whatever, were you like terrified of the nuclear war? And he's like, yeah, you know, what could you do? You couldn't stop it. Keep calm and carry on.

Yeah, that's it. Uh-huh. So, yeah. But, uh, no, to Corman's dismay, the production company let the rights expire. He never made it. Aww. You okay? I would have liked to see that. Yeah. I would have liked to see all of these, except for the ones that were actually made. Yes.

We'll never be happy. No. So in 1985, the Cannon Group purchased them the right... Produces a thunder kick. Is it? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, they did a lot of...

I was going to say crap, but that sounds amazing. That's the greatest karate kung fu blockbuster of all time. Thunder kick. Was one of his legs made of thunder? No, but he had, I don't know, he was very powerful kicks. He could do at least one really good kick. Just one really good kick. So they bought the rights for $225,000 plus profit sharing.

And apparently, and this doesn't sound right, but I checked in a couple of sources, put out a 50-page pull-out ad touting spider-man among its upcoming productions 50 pages that can't be right it must be right page 50 yeah i think so yeah that's insane and also page 58 that's not a very good no yeah that's just the middle of the newspaper that is yeah that is riddled with errors that whatever that statement is 50 that's impossible what what do you put in 50 pages you know what it is It's just a 50 page issue of Spider-Man. And then Roger Corman

wrote his name on the front and then they just, in crayon, and they just sent it to the movie execs. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Sounds like it.

So the Israeli cousins, producers who were producing this movie, called Golden and Globus, those are their last names, they were known

for their schlocky films and they were trying to go legit through canon. So basically, Golden, one of the guys, he produced

the Death Wish sequel, some of them. Sure. Masters of the Universe, which is amazing. And Superman 4. The worst one. I would argue

that 3 is the worst. 4 is very very clearly the budget has dropped out oh big time and just it's just like as much as I dislike them

the first couple you know quite majestic yeah fourth one just kind of just walking down the street being Superman

being Superman yeah I do like evil Superman in Superman 3 though yeah where he fights himself what an achievement what a cinematic achievement

now, despite being hugely enthusiastic about the Spider-Man character, Golden was very unclear about the concept, he wanted to change Spider-Man's origin to be caused by an evil scientist named Dr. Zork, who creates mutants great, you're following? yeah, I'm following so far, obviously

he's going to create mutants if he's an evil scientist. That's right. Peter Parker would be a lowly employee of Dr. Zork who accidentally gets turned into Spider-Man and then has to fight

Dr. Zork's army of mutants. In another screenplay that was considered, Spider-Man gets turned into an eight-legged tarantula. A giant one. For how long? It says here, 18 years. years. I don't know. It sounds

more like a horror movie. It does, doesn't it? Like The Fly or something. Yeah, yeah. But back in the day, I guess, you know, your superhero origin stories were not, like nobody was precious about them. No. Maybe they were, I don't know. We'll never know. Yeah, exactly. But I'm sure people, you know, producers were just like, oh, who cares? Yeah. Hang on a second, Justice. Done. It's just kind of, you know, it's just kind of comic book schlock, who cares kind of thing.

Yeah. Whereas now it's very important. It is. You've got to get it right. Dr. Zork. Like, why would you... What my... Where is the thought process where you think Kid getting bitten by a radioactive spider

is worse than a guy working for Dr. Zork who creates evil mutants? Even the name. Yeah. It's the name, isn't it? It's the name. It could have been Dr. Smith and you'd have been like, that's reasonable. Yeah. Zork.

Have you ever met anyone called Zork? I've never met anyone named Zork, no. God. I don't know. Anyway, in this version, apparently, Scott... No, this is true. Stuntman Scott Lever, who I don't know, was considered to play Peter Parker. And there's actually shots of him, test shots, where he's sort of in a Spider-Man-ish suit.

And there's one where he's in half civilian clothes, half Spider-Man clothes. So, I don't know what the deal is there. What do you mean? Split down the middle? Split exactly down the middle. That's weird. Yeah. You know what that is?

That is a weird low-budget transforming effect shot or whatever. They'll use a sequence of mirrors or something like that and just cut from one to the other and it looks like he's changed clothes instantly or whatever. But he doesn't need to change his clothes instantly. That's the other thing. He's not Superman. It's the 80s, man.

Yeah, it is. Sure is. I wish it was the 80s now. No, you don't. No, you're right. Okay, apparently they also dreamed of casting Tom Cruise in the role, according to the LA Times. That would work.

Yeah, but as if he would have done it. No, he wouldn't have done it. Absolutely. He wouldn't work for the Canon group. Oh, God, no. So, basically, the Doctor's Orc version was scrapped in favour of a version where Doc Orc was played by Bob Hoskins. Yay, of course it was.

And that version, apparently, where he'd wear, like, a plasticky, rubbery, kind of, torso piece, and where the arms were all fused horribly to his skin and whatever. So that was, they're going to be that version. So they weren't just, like, kind of drilled in neatly. They were, like, melted to it. Great.

Yeah. And also, this version actually includes this part, which carried over into... I think Bob Hoskins was the thing. Well, Bob Hoskins was a thing? Well, Bob Hoskins has Alzheimer's and has retired from acting. Way to bring that up. Way to make me look like a jerk.

Yeah, well, they were going to do the Roger Rabbit sequel. They were talking about it for years, and then that happened, so it kind of went by the wayside. We could get Ron Jeremy, porn star Ron Jeremy. That's true, yeah. They're similar enough. This version, though, includes a bit where Peter Parker discards his glasses because they hinder his eyesight. You know how that happens in the first Spider-Man? Correct, it does.

He wakes up and he needs to take them off. So I guess that one thing carried over. Isn't that amazing? That is pretty much... They got one thing right. And even then. Oh, this is interesting as well. Another version included...

They had a lot of versions, by the way, just with this company. Included Spider-Man going up against a bat-like scientist turned vampire, who I assume is Morbius? Sounds like Morbius. Though he wasn't named. And another where Dolph Lundgren is Doc Ock. Doesn't work at all. Does it work really well, though?

No. Oh, yeah. He's got a... The 80s Doc Ock's short, fat guy. Dolph Lund yeah. He's got a 80s dog short fat guy. Dolph Lundgren. He's enormous. Yeah he's a

monster. Yeah. Okay. He might be a good Venom. Yeah that's true. 80s Venom. Yeah.

He'd be a good 80s Punisher or a He-Man. Yeah. Good both of those things. You're not going to believe this but

Stan Lee who loves everything rejected all these scripts wow but at the same time pushed for himself to play Jonah Jameson yeah he did

yes he did ah that's what I was that's what I've been waiting for I thought yeah yeah I thought you'd be happy with that ah dear

yeah do you think at this point do you think he asks to be in cameos or do you think they just they just put him in it's assumed that he's going to be in it. Are you against him being in it? Does it take you out of the film?

Does it take you into the film? Films. You know, it's a good yardstick because I can go, oh, there we go. Stanley's still alive. Great. Good. Does he add anything? Not really, I don't think.

I think it's nice. I'm never like, what a dickhead. Yeah, yeah. I'm not against it, but if they stop doing it, it's fine. I mean, he's done so many great things for comics. He was writing comics when everyone thought comics are for dickheads. Yep. And only slightly less people think that now.

Yeah. So he's carved a real path for nerds everywhere. That's right. Good for him. Yeah. Okay. He's carved a real path for nerds everywhere. That's right. Good for him. Yeah. Okay, so Albert Pyn, P-Y-U-N, P-Y-U-N. Doesn't matter. Probably dead.

Ali P. Ali P. Albert P. Was chosen to direct. And if you didn't know this, he directed the 1990 Captain America film. Oh, good. And the movie... It was a very small pool of people to draw from.

I'll tell you what... I guess it was people who were up on charges for various things and they could, you know, they couldn't get any legit work. So you're just making it into a terrible superhero film. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, the movie was to be shot, um, to save money on the same sets that were used for, that were going to be used for Masters of the Universe 2. Is there much set crossover between a weird, barren, desert future world and New York? And modern day New York City.

There is zero. I guess they could do it in the convenience store. Don't they fight in a convenience store in Masters of the Universe at one point? Oh, there is a bit, yeah. They could set it entirely in a convenience store. Yep. Yep. Like phone booth, but in a convenience store.

Correct, yes. And they could change the origin, so Peter Parker works in a convenience store. Yep. Yep. Like phone booth, but in a convenience store. Correct, yes. And they could change the origin, so Peter Parker works in a convenience store, and... Dr. Zork is his manager. Dr. Zork is his manager, and the Slurpee contains

some sort of mutagen with a spider in it. Yep. Yep. I would say just a regular spider goes into a Slurpee, gets electrocuted. Great.

What do you think? I think that totally works. So, yeah, all this fell through,uted. Great. What do you think? I think that totally works. So yeah, all this fell through, obviously. But the sets were used that they actually did build for Pughan's film,

Cyborg. Oh, with Van Damme. Yeah. Is that Cyborg? Isn't that Universal Soldier? No, he did Cyborg as well. Oh my God.

He did Cyborg and then Angelina Jolie did Cyborg 2 or 3, possibly. Really? Yep. Was she the Cyborg? She was the Cyborg. Oh my God. He did Cyborg and then Angelina Jolie did Cyborg 2 or 3, possibly. Really? Yep. Was she the Cyborg? She was the Cyborg. Oh my God.

Yeah. I learned something today. Well, I didn't think Albert P was going to do anything with his life, but he directed Cyborg. There you go. So this all fell through. Early 90s, James Cameron was brought on board to shake things up. Hollywood's James Cameron.

Hollywood's James Cameron. Hollywood's James Cameron. He was big at the time. Terminator. What happened to that kid? He had a lot of potential, and then he just dropped off the radar. Yeah, completely. Well, he was coming off the back of Aliens, Terminator 2, which I think was coming out around that time.

Yep. So he was a big name, obviously. His version involved... So they dragged him away from building his submarine. Kicking and screaming. Kicking and screaming, obviously. His version involved sand... So they dragged him away from building his submarine. Kicking and screaming. Kicking and screaming, yeah. His version was going to include Sandman. Sandman? Did I say that right?

Yes. The word Sandman. You put them together. Now put them together. Sandman. Sandy Mandy. Just move on. And Electro as villains. So basically, this film it was somewhat adult in nature. Because it had an aggressive, rebellious Peter Parker. It gets into erotic adventures.

Well, yeah, pretty much. Heavy on profanity, but somewhat sexualised scenes. Like where Peter Parker uses his spider powers to spy on Mary Jane Watson getting changed. There's actually storyboards of this, where she's... It's drawn, obviously, like a storyboard. She's in a bra. Yep.

And he's upside down. Go on. He's upside down looking through the window, like, ooh, with that look on his face. Okay. So, yeah. Basically... But he'd be all...

He'd turn away before. Well, not in this version, because he's a real kind of creepy kind of... Oh, he's a creepy guy, yeah. Basically, um... But he'd be all... He'd turn away before. Well, not in this version. Because he's a real kind of creepy kind of... Oh, he's a creepy guy. ...90s kind of grungy kind of dude, I guess. Oh, I see. Right. So, I'm going to read you a bit from James Cameron's scriptment.

I'm ready. Which he was paid a lot of money to write. Probably would have paid for a couple of those torpedo tubes on his submarine. Right? Yeah. Yep. Yeah, so this is the following scene. This is an actual scene. I'll read it verbatim. Okay, I'm ready. Okay? I want you to imagine this. Okay, Yeah, so this is the following scene. This is an actual scene.

I'll read it verbatim. Okay, I'm ready. Okay? I want you to imagine this. Okay, I can do it. I've imagined things before. The next day, and this is assumably

after he was bitten by a radioactive slurpee. Yep. With a spider in it. Yep. Tight on Peter Parker as he wakes up. Sounds erotic already.

Yeah. Should I just, I'll leave you to it. I'll leave you to it. Okay. Go ahead. He opens his eyes cautiously I'll leave you to it. Go ahead. He opens his eyes cautiously, not knowing what to expect. Pull back to reveal he is still in bed. All is normal. What a lazy bugger. Continue. He breathes a sigh of relief. In

fact, he feels pretty good. Lots of energy. He pulls back the covers and something is causing the sheet to stick to him. He lifts it, revealing a white sticky mass completely covering him, gluing himself to his bed. And in the picture of this, it's all his lower half. Huh. That's a bit rude. I don't know why specifically.

I don't understand what that is. There's something going on there. It feels a bit rude. It does, doesn't it? So this is Peter Parker, right? Yep. Another bit. This is the description of him.

He's age 17. Yep. This is a scene description as well. Peter's in the bathroom, popping zits in the mirror. Uh-huh. I don't want to see that movie. Neither do I. Exactly.

It's not cool. It seems unpleasant. Yeah. He puts on his glasses and checks himself in the mirror. Still the same. Nerdy. He doesn't care. Screw him.

He thinks that they're the real losers. They'll be flipping burgers while he's discovering the cure to cancer. We'll see who wins in the long run. He wears his isolation like a badge, with an air of superiority. That sounds like Peter Parker, doesn't it? No, it sounds awful. Just a real prick. Just a real mean prick, yeah.

Cameron paid to Peter Parker who darker hues than the previous writers. Yeah. real mean prick, yeah. Cameron paid to Peter Parker who darker hues than the previous writers. So he's morally ambiguous. Yeah, that's right. Morally ambiguous, profane, sadistically violent. And he gives Peter Parker, Mary Jane Watson, as a love interest, but she's like snobbish and up a crust.

And she's got a drunk father, which actually carried over into the other one. So yeah, there's another infamous scene. The last one I'm going to read. Okay, I'm ready. This one is dialogue. Good. So this is probably my first shot at acting.

Is it two characters? Yes, but the other one has only one line. Do you want to do it? Yeah, I want to do the line. Okay, it's Mary Jane. Okay, all right. You cool with that? Yes.

This is going to get super awkward, just so you know. No, I'm okay with that. Okay. Okay, Spider-Man. If anyone in Hollywood is listening as well yeah

oh you're ready yeah this is my moment when Garfield when Garfield bows out finally when his Britishness catches up with him

and his teeth just warp out of all proportion and he just gets so pale and pallid that the lights just they can't pick him up anymore he turns invisible we call that

Cumberbatch Syndrome Spider-Man says this is pick him up anymore. He turns invisible. We call that Cumberbatch Syndrome. Spider-Man says... This is all said on top of a bridge, by the way. Just so we're clear. Courtship among the spiders is highly ritualised. It varies from species to species. The male spider

may circle the female or wave his front legs to signal that he is not prey. He's saying that out loud. Yep. Great. Spider-Man moves in a hypnotic arc around her. He raises his hands in dance-like movements then lowers them. What do you think so far?

It's a powerfully erotic adventure. It's great. Spider-Man then says, The female usually signals her willingness by being uncharacteristically passive. Mary Jane takes a deep breath. Her lips tremble. Her knees are weak.

Her eyes gazing at the silhouette before her. She doesn't move or speak. He moves closer. She sounds like she's made poison. Spider-Man continues. In certain crab spiders, such as the Ziziscus, the male will attach strands of silk to the female, tying her limbs.

And then he does do that, right? Since the female can break free at any time, the bonds have only symbolic significance. And then this is your part, right there, where it says Mary Jane. The male must be very bold to take such liberties with the predatory female. That was very good. Thank you. Yes, he is very bold, but he must also trust her. He moves in close.

He removes his mask and kisses her. Their mouths move very slowly and they sensuously devour each other. Peter and MJ are locked together. He is mesmerizing, gentle and powerful. He pushes up her skirt. They make love high above the world. She doesn't look." Jesus. So that's... It's immensely disturbing. Yeah. That's weird, right?

That's the weirdest Cameron... That's the weirdest thing James Cameron's ever done, surely. Do you think they were just like, here's three million bucks, just bang something out and he's like, yep, done. Yeah. It's just, I don't know what is going on there. But yeah, wouldn't that have been an amazing movie, in a way? Yeah, but, ugh, we'd feel bad after it, wouldn't we? We sure would.

I feel bad now. There would have been a couple of years where no superhero movies came out after that. Yeah, well, that's it. Well, good thing, though, Stan Lee absolutely adored it. Huh. And he gave the Cameron directed Spider-Man movie his hearty endorsement. It was the Spider-Man we all know and love, Lee said, yet it somehow fell fresh and different and new. Great.

So Lee's on board. Yeah. Yeah. He actually wanted to play Peter Parker. No. Also, Cameron came up with the organic web shooters. What do you think of that? Which they don't use anymore.

No, that's true, they don't. That's fine. Surely he was on the... People have toyed with that idea before that, surely. Before the 90s. They brought it into the comics after they used it in the movies, is that right? Yes. Or did it happen before that?

Let me think. Well, Spider-Man 2099 had him. Yep. Pre-movie. Yep. Hang on, let me think. Well, Spider-Man 2099 had him pre-movie. Yep. Let me think. No, you know what? I think it was movie first and then they... No, it was definitely movie first because what they did is, in the comic book,

they... He had a weird kind of spider rebirth. He did, didn't he? Where he was in like a weird Spider-Man cocoon. Didn't he turn into a spider and then burst out of a spider? Then he burst out of a spider and then he had organic web shooters and he became stronger.

Yeah. So he became like movie strong because he's stronger in the movies, I think. Oh, okay. And he also had the ability to communicate with spiders, which they've never mentioned

ever again. Why would they? Yeah, exactly. But they've since magically retconned that. Yeah, he's all back to the way he is. Do you prefer the

mechanical web shooters or the organic web shooters? I prefer the organic ones because, I mean, he's a spider. Yeah, but would they come out of his wrists? They'd come out of his butt, obviously, but... I mean, what? If he's got spider powers, but he's just got cling to walls and ESP, it's not really spider powers, is it?

No, not really at all. You want webs, right? Yeah, that's true. Spiders don't really have ESP. Yep. It's not really spider powers, is it? No. Yeah. You want webs, right? Yeah. Well, that's true. Yeah. Spiders don't really have ESP.

So basically, the whole of it... So you can trap them under a glass. Is that true? Yeah. Oh my god. You'd put a glass on it?

That ESP, they'd figure that out, wouldn't they? I put that in my video. I said Spider-Man in my video this week. Spider-Man's village should be a glass jar

and a sheet of paper. You know what you'd be. So basically, there's a whole of lego mumbo jumbo because Columbia owned some of the rights, MGM owned some of the rights, but they also owned some of the rights, both of them, to the Bond franchise. Because Columbia made that Bond film, that Casino Royale film.

With David Niven. Yeah, the Spoof one. Yeah, the Spoof one in the 60s. So they could have continued To make Bond films And so they basically Came to an agreement Where Columbia got Spider-Man

MGM got Bond Done deal And that was And that was when Columbia then created The highly successful Spider-Man trilogy And now in turn

The reboot sequels That you love I love them so much But that's all the story For another day Mason Oh boy. I want you all, I've written this here. Uh huh.

I want you all at home to imagine me closing a big picture book Shrek style. Which is what I am doing now. Nice. And the back cover's got a big embossed butt on it. With webs coming out of it. So that is our podcast for this week. That was pretty good. We will talk about all the Spider-Man movies,

probably closer to the release date of The Amazing Spider-Man 2. So I should probably watch them all. Nah. You've seen them all, haven't you? Except for the reboot. Yeah, I've seen it. Do you remember? Reluctantly.

Yeah. Because you hate those movies, isn't that right? Yep. I hate them and anyone who watches them. Fair enough. Alright, we might as well wrap this up. Next week, do you want to talk about anything? I'd rather not talk about anything. Let's just make noises. Fair enough. Yep. Alright, we might as well wrap this up. Next week, do you want to talk about anything? I'd rather not talk about anything.

Let's just make noises. See how that goes. Do you do any animal impressions? I can do interpretive dance. Really? Yeah. That'll work well. I think so.

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lined up for people. So if you've got a suggestion, please shoot it forward. Oh, question one somebody had this week. Do you want to see any Spider-Man spin-off movies?

Give me an example. Venom. No. That's it? Oh, no, you know what? I would kind of like to see Flash Thompson as Venom. Yes.

As like Agent Venom. Yep. But how do you get there? Yeah, how do you get there? Because you need to introduce him. You need to have a likeable Flash Thompson. Then you need to have... There is a Flash Thompson in The Amazing Spider-Man.

Is he a dickhead? Yeah, he's a dickhead. Oh, then... But they have a kind of a moment. Oh, okay, so he's redeemed. Yeah, a little bit. But yeah, he's not into that much. What else would I like to see? What about a spider girl a moment. Oh, okay, so he's redeemed. Yeah, a little bit. But yeah, he's not into that much. What else would I like to see?

What about a Spider-Girl? Woman? Yeah, fine. What about Spider-Man 2099? I'd say that. I would definitely say that. Yeah, that would be really good. Boy, I'd like to see a J. Jonah Jameson movie.

But it's just J.K. Simmons from the original ones, and it's just him yelling. I'd say that. It never leaves his office, and just a series of, like, weird... Like, employees come in, and they've got problems for him, and he just yells at them creatively. And then they leave, and then, like, more weirdness happens.

And maybe occasionally you see past his head, like, in the windows behind him, you see, like, the Green Goblin and, like, explosions and he's fighting Spider-Man, but it's never referred to. And he never turns around because he's not interested. He's just interested in yelling at people. That would be the best. Yeah, I'm too.

Did you just think of that? Yes, I did. That's great. Do you think it would be uncool? Because none of the actors have come back from the last Spider-Man movie, except for Stan Lee. Actually, I don't think he's got a cameo. Do you think it would be cool to get that same actor as J. Jonah Jameson back in?

Yes. Who do they have in the... Nobody at the moment. Yeah, bring him back. I would love to see him back. He's great. He's the best one. He's probably the best part of those movies.

He's the most accurate to the comic books of any character ever, I think. And he's over the top, but in a believable kind of way. Because I've worked with people who are similar-ish to that, I guess, in a way. Yeah. Just lunatics in charge. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Your lunatics in charge. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

Your Twitter is Wikipedia Brown, is that right? That is correct. Mine is MrSundayMovies. Please hit us up with any information you would like to say to us. Just positive stuff, though. Just positive.

Or really negative. If it's really negative, I'm totally on board. I was still going to say, though, we have... It's all pretty much positive. Love it. Yeah, which is great.

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I don't want to pull back the curtain but they're not aware that we're idiots because of the accent okay we seem laid back yeah

but it's just we're idiots yeah good great let's keep it up yeah see you next week I'm gonna eat this paste

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