The Weekly Planet - 110 Spectre (Is Balls)

Episode Date: November 16, 2015

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Welcome back everybody to another episode of the weekly planet official podcast and I kicked the mic stand keep it in keep it rolling official podcast coming from movie.com where we talk movies and comics and TV shows

my name is James also known as Mr. Sunday with me as well as my co-host always encouraging Nick Mason we're keeping it loose it's party time I thought you were

drinking from that were you just hanging on to it. I already closed it because I wanted to be ready for party time, but it's open again. Good, good, good. Do you want to get into... What is that?

A Schweppes... It's a raspberry lemonade. Hmm. I mean, it's a tough guy drink for tough guys. That's what I'm drinking. It's a bag... A beer. Drinking a beer.

It's a sack of blended nails. Okay. Straight into the news. UFC. Yeah, what about it? No, did you watch it? I heard. Yeah. Yeah. Good enough. Yeah. Well, see, the thing about it's Ronda Rousey versus anyone. Yeah.

You don't need to watch it, really, because the duration of the fight is always the length of an animated gif. Sure, yeah, you're right. You can just be like, oh, there's a punch. Oh, she got kicked in the neck. And it's over.

But rare defeat for Ronda Rousey. Rare defeat, yeah. What have... That's the only one. Yeah, she's been undefeated from this point. There you go. Now she's been defeated. Nah, good on them both.

Good on them. Whatever, man. Do you think that will... Do you think... Here's a question. Do I think this is the story of Rocky III? Yes. Pot story of rocky three yes potentially yeah you should get a robot real quick do you think that this will hurt or increase her chances of becoming captain marvel i think if it's if it's a sign that she's out right like she's leaving fighting or maybe she's slipping a bit then it

could it could not hurt i'm saying yep Because then she'd maybe more focus on acting. See, I haven't seen the post-match anythings. Yeah. And I reckon, like, if she has a noble defeat, I think she's on her way to being Captain Marvel. Oh, okay. If she's a sore loser. Yeah, yeah.

Like, if it turns out in the coming week, she's like this, you know, what a bunch of cheap shots, blah, blah, blah. I reckon they'd be like, ooh, that's not kind of a... That's not the Captain Marvel spirit. Certainly not. Yeah, no, I know, what a bunch of cheap shots, blah, blah, blah. I reckon they'd be like, ooh, that's not kind of a... That's not the Captain Marvel spirit. Certainly not. Yeah, no, I can understand that.

Good point. Yeah, it'd be understandable because she did get roundhouse kicked as well. Sure, that'll... Anyway, yeah, who puts a damper on things, doesn't it? Does, doesn't it? Well, speaking of strong female superhero roles... Oh, yeah. Wonder Woman has begun principal photography and photography.

It's begun both of those things. Oh, good. Fantastic. Did you see the image of Chris Pine as Steve Trevor? Yes, I did. He's in like old-timey outfits. Every time I see one of those, though, like that, I always assume it's just a fan-made Photoshop.

Okay. Because I'm kind of out of the loop. So I'm like, did somebody... Or is that just something Chris Pine wears? Yeah, is that just a Captain America Photoshop and he's put the head on there? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What did you think?

It looks pretty good. So that means that Steve Trevor is not from the modern day. Yes, that's true. This incarnation of Steve Trevor. But they could do the classic Steve Trevor and Steve Trevor Jr. Oh, have they done that before? No, but it seems like that's something they could do. It's pretty classic, though, isn't it?

Yeah, pretty classic. Or they could, because we don't, again, we still don't really know how sci-fi comic book in this universe is trapped in a time hole time hole see we can't do we can't do Frozen

because that's too it's been done that's too Captain America and he's dressed exactly like Captain America same hair and everything yeah so I think we could definitely

do time hole yeah or we could do trapped in the phantom zone maybe okay sure some sort of thing like that

like Superman's arrival, pulled him through time or something, you know. How long do you think he would last in the Phantom Zone? It depends on what Phantom Zone it is, isn't it? Yeah, true. Some of them are pretty sweet. Some of them are just a glass sheet. It just depends, doesn't it?

You've got nothing to do. I mean, you can polish the glass. You get the Windex out, you can polish the glass sheet. If you bought the Windex with you. If you bought the Windex. But otherwise, you've got to survive like a literal eternity with like fingerprints on your glass. That'd drive me crazy. Yeah, you couldn't do anything.

Nah, bugger that. Yeah. Bugger it for a joke. It's pretty good. I don't know. Yeah, it depends on the magic and whatever, like you said. I'm sure I had something else to say about that. Oh, maybe it's magic.

Yeah. Maybe they could do it Highlander 2 style. What happened to that? Where he's dead and then she just uses magic and he appears again. You know what I mean? Bring that into this universe where you can bring anybody back. So it's World War 2 and he's literally beheaded by like an airplane propeller. There's definitely no way he can come back.

And then it's the future and she's like, I'm kind of lonely. Magic. And he's back. Great. Let's not dwell on that. Speaking of female superheroes, I watched episode three of Supergirl. And? It's less phoned in.

Yes. I'm going to give it the one more. All right. Good for you. Did you get any tweets? Because you didn't like it. Did you get any tweets from people saying, you're wrong? No.

No one. Absolutely no one. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. Fair enough. Interesting. Yeah.

I think maybe they're settling into their roles a bit more. Yeah. Absolutely. So I'll give it one more. Okay. And then they're out. Well, I'm just going to see what you think. Okay. Interesting. Yeah, I think maybe they're settling into their roles a bit more. Yeah, absolutely. So I'll give it one more. Okay. And then they're out. Well, I'm just going to see what you think. Okay, good.

And then either way, I probably won't watch it because there's too much stuff to watch. Too much stuff. We're talking about what we're going to do next week. I think we're going to do, it looks like we're going to do Hunger Games, Doctor Who. Our classic episode. The classic combo.

That's right. But also Jessica Jones is out next week, so we'll do that the week after, but I have to watch every episode of Jessica Jones. So I don't know how much Doctor Who I'm going to get i'm going to get in between yeah that's fair look we can we can trade information absolutely i'll be like he went through time and you'll be like she punched a whole bunch of dudes because see last year we did not maybe not last when daredevil came out yeah we sort of had to shotgun every episode yeah and i felt it kind of yeah we

could we could have definitely stretched it out a. Well, there's nothing out the next week apparently because Creed's out in the US, but now Creed is out here like February 50th or something. Sure. It's our February 50th Phantom Zone time. So it may never arrive. That's exactly right. And Creed is the Rocky spin-off.

Yes. Where it's Apollo Creed's son being taught by Rocky. Yes. I get emails. I don't Apollo Creed's son being taught by Rocky. Yes. I get emails. I don't know why because I get this for nothing. I get emails too. Do you really? What a wonderful modern world we live in.

But it's about the potential Ivan Drago sequel. Oh, yes. And I got sent the script. I'd be like, oh, sorry. Hang on. My Luke Skywalker kill count just published. That'll be ready to go. That's been a nightmare that's a whole nother story but people send i don't know who it is i've got the script for that i'm not going to read it i don't know how or why people would

think that that's something that i could be like useful oh sure we could do a dramatic reading i guess okay next week we'll do a dramatic reading of one of the scenes okay by one of the scenes i mean the final scene i lost because it's the rocky world i guess i finally learned what it's like to be drago what if it's drago versus draco malfoy who could drago fight who does he fight i mean i mean, I could check right now. Like another Russian? Like a meaner Russian? What about a robot? I reckon he might fight like the worst.

China. You've got to sort of make him a hero. North Korea. He might fight like what people consider the worst part of American culture. Donald Trump. Donald Trump, exactly. Or like a bearded hipster or something like whatever the filmmakers are like those idiots and it's just a guy like it's a guy's got one boxing glove on now he's got touchscreen boxing gloves on so he can check his twitter while he's fighting what about if he fights the Hugh Jackman real steel robot? I would watch that. Sure.

All right, Suicide Squad news. Oh, yes? It's got a rating. It's PG-13. But apparently they're taking it right to the edge of that PG-13. One swear. One swear. Yeah, exactly.

That's the end. One swear, one spray of blood off camera. Yeah, that's right. Great. I mean, I can understand why they want people to see it. So that's what you're bloody going to do. Also, they talked about

Jared Leto this week and how he didn't break character all that again and how he made people call him Mr. J to call him to set and all that kind of stuff.

You know, acting. All the classics. Such acting. So much acting. That's pretty good. Are you surprised, PG-13? No. No. Not at all. Oh, here's a bit of news. You might have it on there.

Maybe. Speaking of movies, good link. I brought it back. Well done. Did you see that somebody put out a full page ad in the Hollywood Reporter? Of the diehard thing? I didn't have that in, but yeah, what about it? Well, he put out just some screenwriter producer. Yeah. So this isn't the guy who's writing

it. No, this is just some guy. Some yeah so this isn't the guy who's writing no this is just some guy some guy some guy uh put out a full page full page ad in the hollywood reporter basically saying hey remember when the diehard movies were good vaguely one two three i think i'm gonna say one and three yeah okay uh and then and then you ruined the four and five or whatever he said yeah and then he's like here's a way to bring it back yeah and he just made a full plot synopsis on this one page actually sounds pretty good what would give me the give me the breakdown basically is he fights ivan drago oh he couldn't that's america that's right mclean he keeps fighting even though i would like to see drago fight actor bruce willis who seems like a real asshole.

Very good. He's all the worst parts of America. Yeah, in many ways. Yeah, anyway, so go on. So the plot, the frame story basically is, it's John McClane is being put into prison, like at the start of the film. For all his dieharding. We'll see, we don't know.

Ah. And then basically it flashes back to the 70s when he'd first become a cop. Play that funky music. And he's got the afro. He's got an afro with a widow's peak in it. He's still looking worried. And basically there's a criminal and he goes to arrest him,

but in classic John McClane style, he steps over all the rules. And broken glass. Yeah, and the over all the rules. And broken glass. Yeah, and the bad guy gets away. Oh, no. And then, like, many years later, when he's coming back from Russia at the end of Die Hard 5. At the end of Fighting Drago. In Die Hard 5.

Yeah. That suspect, that criminal, turns up dead. And everybody's like, oh, it must have been McClane. He's murdered him because he couldn't get away. You know, he let him get away the first time. And then basically. Wasn't he like, I was in Russia. Yeah.

See, there's the plot hole. But then, and then he's like his partner or whatever. Somebody else in the force is like, I've got evidence that said he didn't do it. Chiefly that he was in Russia at the time or whatever, but it's too late. So McClane has gone into jail. But then like troubles. And then his partner goes in with the evidence to show him the evidence. And then there's a prison riot.

So they're both trapped in the prison. So it's like Die Hard 1, except it's in a prison. That sounds amazing. Sounds better, right? I don't know what it was going to be before. Sounds better, though. I don't know either, but it sounds better. Yeah, because you can do your flashback.

Yep. But it's only temporarily released. And you wouldn't even have to do it You could just do it with newspaper cutouts Or I could just be like, remember this thing that happened to you? And you'd be like, yes I do, I do remember that Or the tearing away of a calendar That's right Arrested a guy, Rip

You got away because of due process, Rip Maybe I'll murder him, question mark, Rip. I don't know. I'm no screenwriter, but that guy is, I assume. I don't know. He sounds like he could be. Yeah. Yeah, that's great.

Well, I look forward to people stealing that idea and then doing a worse version of it. Well, see, I don't think they can. Oh, because he's put it out there. Yeah, because I don't think that... I mean, he did rubbish two-fifths of the Die Hard films in this one page. Fair enough. And so they're not going to buy it from him.

Because why would they? But also they can't use it because if they do, he'll be like, you stole my ideas. I'll sue you. So nice work, idiot. No, but I guess that he's putting his name out there. So I guess other studios might be like, this guy doesn't sound the worst.

Let's get him to write... Let's get him on the Drago sequel. Drago 2. Let's make him write the next Highlander at gunpoint. Yeah. Drago heart. All right. Remember how Rupert White left Gambit?

Yes. He directed one of the Planet of the Apes movies. Oh, he's the director. Yes, I do remember now. Yeah. Doug Lyman is apparently now in talks, and he directed Edge of Tomorrow. Okay.

So, yeah. That had some solid action in it. Absolutely. Because directors keep coming and going on this, it seems, or all sorts of shenanigans, I was worried that maybe they won't get anybody good. But this guy's pretty good. So, though I didn't love Edge of Tomorrow.

I liked it a lot, but I wasn't like, that's amazing. It's the best movie ever made. Why isn't anybody seeing it? That's everybody who likes that movie. Yeah. I remember at the time going,

I really enjoyed that. I'll see that again soon. And I didn't. So that's right. Nice work, Lyman. You idiot. Yeah, that was good. I'm happy with it um but speaking of that universe there is going to be the x-men apocalypse trailer soon and apparently

it's going to be attached to star wars the movie so it looks like we're going to get probably going to see that yeah you probably will looks like we're going to get civil war and x-men in that one um then the trailers before Star Wars. That's a bloody night out, mate. It sure is, Mason. So the bloody trailers are the best part, mate. Don't see the trailers. I mean, they'll be on the internet several days before.

Yeah, exactly. In high def. Don't have to leave my house. Why would you? Don't even bother. Turn up late. It's fine. You've got assigned seating.

It's all good. But also, apparently, there's going to be another Deadpool trailer in December, which is exciting also. Because that's out in like Feb. So that's coming up get assigned seating it's all good but also apparently there's going to be another Deadpool trailer in December which is exciting also because that's out in like Feb so that's coming up again I think I've seen enough of Deadpool sure I think

but you've got to put it in the public consciousness that's true because not everybody has had enough of it because at this the last if they do another trailer

it's going to be main villain main villain plot and like four of the best jokes yes in the movie which which some of them they inexplicably change yeah to worse versions of that joke yeah that's right where's the different takes i don't know i don't know and then you spend the whole movie expecting that one punch line and you go now it's gonna be oh it wasn't now it's gonna and it's the end it's

like christopher walken having the gun shot from his hand in the welcome to the jungle trailer and he goes yeah and they took that out they took that out it's like jasonen having the gun shot from his hand in the Welcome to the Jungle trailer. And he goes, ow! Yeah, and they took that out. They took that out. It's like Jason Statham deflecting a missile with a silver serving tray in the trailer for The Transporter, but they bloody took it out, even though that's the best part in that movie, except maybe the bicycle oil fight. The bicycle oil fight.

Which is pretty good, too. Or the part where the French police detective brings over like, he's made like little pastries. He's like, hello. Hello, Mr. Statham. I brought pastries. We're friends? We're friends now. They're friends in all of those, aren't they?

Except maybe the new one, which I didn't see. Couldn't see it. Because it looks shit. And apparently it was shit. There you go. Can't fool us, movie industry. Except all those times you have. So there was another Force Awakens TV spot and a behind the scenes thing this week.

Not going to see them. It's a bunch of shit. I refuse. There's a few bits of notes. Do you still have to do videos on them? I've had enough, mate. I've had a bloody gutful. Yeah.

No, I don't want to look into it anymore. But there's things like, it looks like the Stormtroopers carry like anti-lightsaber kind of melee weapons. Oh, okay. That's fun. Which is exciting. Yeah. So it seems like maybe they've been trained up in their interim years being like,

Luke Skywalker's going to turn up again with a whole bunch of Jedi. Be ready. Oh, I see. Right, right. Or just like the Jedi are notorious. No, the Jedi. We're calling them Jedis now. Yeah, that's right.

So, well, it's phonetic. It could actually work that way. That's interesting. Well, you know the tube on the back of the Stormtroopers outfit? Yeah, that's been there for years. Yeah, that was originally going to be, they all had lightsabers. Like, that was just the weapon everybody had. Oh.

Seems dangerous. Seems really dangerous. But these Stormtroopers are- Especially those guys can't hit the bloody broadside of a barn. Well, that's the thing, though. Apparently, these new ones can. I mean, we'll see, won't we? Yeah.

But apparently they're more adept. Because this seems to be a universe where we still haven't seen the return of the Jedi. As it were. Yes. There's just... So Luke Skywalker finished his business and he just disappeared. Jedi is like sheep, isn't it? It's the same plural.

Yeah. Good. Go on same plural. Yeah, good. Go on, sorry. Yeah, you're right. So we don't really know what's going to happen. That seems like a waste of money if you ask me. If every Stormtrooper

has got a bloody anti-lightsaber thing. Yeah. Maybe put that money into target practice or better helmets, which I guess they have. Yeah, better helmets.

Do you like the new design? I really like it. I like it too, yeah. I think it's great. I think it might be the, better helmets. Do you like the new design? I really like it. I like it too. I think it's great. I think it might be the, I don't want to say the best design, but it's the best design. Of anything. Maybe.

In the world. Yeah, I don't know. I like it a lot. Simon Pegg, though, got in trouble this week because he came out and rubbished the prequels in an article. Do you want me to read the quote? He's been rubbishing it for years, though. Exactly.

But I guess the difference is now he's in them. Oh, sure, yeah. So I guess the difference is now he's in them. Oh, sure, yeah. So I guess people got upset. And there was a petition to, like, ban him from Star Wars. All right. Anyway, this is what he said. Hang on, which ones is he in? He's in the new one.

Is he? Yeah, he's in, like, a bar. You know, he's just like a creature. Oh, he's the new Dexter Jetstar. He's the new Dexter Jetstar. He's the new four-armed CGI diner owner. See, I did not know that. Yeah.

But there's an episode of Spaced where he just, he's... He yells at a kid. Yeah, he yells at a kid and it's been, you know, it's been years later, but he still hasn't gotten over. It's been 18 months, but he hasn't gotten over. He burns all his Star Wars merch. That's right, yeah. Like at the end of Return of Jedi.

But he's always rubbished it again in an article. Yeah. He basically said, well, he said exactly this. And you've got to remember, this is written, so you don't know how he said it yeah you know what i mean i don't really have i don't really have any respect for anyone who thinks that those films are good so we'll play course they're not he told the news just the news oh yes there are monuments seems like a trap no right like they've obviously they're gonna take whatever he said they want views or whatever sure they're just gonna take whatever it says. They want views or whatever.

So they're just going to take whatever it is and say it out of context. But if he's just talking to... They're like, hello, Mr. Pegg, this is the news. Oh, the news. I've got things to say. They're a monumental misunderstanding of what the original three films are about. He said it's an exercise in utter infanticide. Like George Lucas killing his kid. Harsh.

But to be fair, they are pretty garbage yeah real bad but i don't you know but who cares yeah but i think here though we've said but who's he gotten in trouble with though i just fan just the internet okay right because he's also close with jj abams obviously because they work together on the star trek films and whatever also simon pick is writing the third Star Trek film. So if it doesn't go well, it'd be interesting to see if the whole thing could backfire on him, I'm saying, because they'd be like, you couldn't write anything either, you dickhead.

That's very true. I like Simon Pegg a lot. I think he'll be fine. There's no way he could write anything as bad as the Star Wars prequel. It seems impossible. Yeah. Very good, Mason. Well done. Thank you. More Star Wars news? fine there's no way he could write anything as bad as the star wars prequel it seems impossible yeah very good mason well done thank you more star wars news yes please i've never wanted anything more in my life than more star wars news just show us the movie and then everybody can shut up for two weeks until the next one the bloody the bloody interim one comes out. Nah, they're all right.

They're pretty good. Screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan. Oh, yeah. I've heard of him. Sorry, he wrote Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. He's got co-writing credits. He's also one of the writers on the new one. He says his last Star Wars film is going to be the Han Solo film,

which is a prequel. He said he didn't want to do it, but his family liked the idea and he gets to co-write it with his son, John. That's pretty good. So then he's done. I think we've talked about it before. What? It seems like a good idea to get somebody who was on the first... Oh, we have.

Yeah, you're right. Who was on the first series of Star Wars movies, along with somebody who I guess has grown up with star wars yeah and then we can have a different perspective exactly and you can say okay this idea is not going to work yeah in 2015 anymore this seems like a changing of the guard as well yeah it's kind of like a tag team kind of like yeah see you in hell good luck that kind of thing that kind of bizzo last bit of news uh you know prometheus 2 how it's now called Alien Paradise Lost yay

well now it's possibly called Alien Covenant who cares why does it matter stop changing the title you dicks it's potentially so

you know Covenant some kind of oh yeah maybe there'll be a Covenant of some kind or some kind of event I guess

I'm not entirely sure on the meaning of the word maybe the big white dudes will be like, We're back. Exactly. We're back for another Prometheus-ing. Everybody get ready. Will you rise with the sun

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Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. All right. There it is. Let's talk about a thing then. Okay. Specifically, I was going to say, people have been wondering, did you put the bins out?

I did. From last week. I did, absolutely. That was the cliffhanger we left the show on. I should have mentioned that I was going to put them out. I also have already put my bins out today as well boy it's actually i thought this was going to be a trilogy but it's not no just wrap it up mate yeah it's like han solo getting out of carbonite straight up in return of the jedi yeah there's more adventures to be had you just don't need

to worry about that particular thing everybody can relax until the ewoks i know what the ewoks is of this particular podcast very good yeah probably the Rasputin M&A. Very good. So anyway, we finally got around to seeing Spectre. Yes, we did. They finally decided to release it here. Now, this made $300 million in 15 days, which is pretty bloody good. That's worldwide.

Is that the highest grossing Bond film? No, it's under Spectre, but it's still really good. Skyfall? Sorry. Yeah, it's under Skyfall. We're going to be doing that a lot this episode. Just so we're clear, I've done that a lot yep when we weren't talking specifically about this movie now that we're under the gun and we have to talk about specter i'm gonna be mixing those

two movies up multiple times all day every day all day so so the critical reception is mixed i would say yeah at best that being you know, it's doing well enough, but it's doing better than all the classic ones, but it's kind of middling compared to other, not middling, but it's about the same as an average kind of newer one, even the Brosnan ones, all the Brosnan ones as well. Oh, boy. Well, they made a lot of money, those ones.

That's true. And even though they're terrible, except for Goldeneye, which is not that terrible, but we've talked about that before. It's very 90s though. Yes. At one point they used a 14.4K modem. Oh my God. Yeah.

So many rams. Ram? Gig. Yeah, heaps of gigs. No, there would have been no gigs. No gigs. It's all bits. So, yeah.

So as we do when we talk about a movie or any movie, we go spoiler free. We'll try to do that as much as we can. Even though everybody's seen it at this point. And we're never any good at it. That's right. spoiler free we'll try to do that as much as we can even though everybody's seen it at this point and we can we're never any good at it that's right and then we'll go spoilers great and that's how that goes so mason yep did you think this movie was balls no i'm gonna say no okay here's the thing about this movie there's a lot to like about it i think i think there's some to like about it yeah that's fair we're gonna's some to like about it. Yeah, that's fair. Go on. We're going to have...

This is going to be a rare difference of opinion podcast. This is going to be great. Until one of us slips into indifference. Yes. That's how it goes. That'll be in about 20 minutes. Yeah, I'm not going to fight you on this. There's a lot to like about it,

but to me as a fan of Bond movies and a fan specifically of Daniel... As a fan of Daniel Craig as Bond, but not necessarily any of the Bond movies he a fan specifically of Daniel as a fan of Daniel Craig as Bond yeah but not necessarily any of the move the phone movies he's been in and as if but as a fan of Casino Royale yes I find this movie like Skyfall and like Quantum of Solace it's very frustrating in that there are there are a lot of elements where you think it's gonna slip into like classic bond mode right and they just sort of touch on all the classic bond stuff but they never really get a wink and a nod bit of a

wink and a nod but not enough and it's kind of we keep we keep teetering on this edge of will we get a james bond movie that is just like a classic james bond like a roger moore kind of james bond it's just uh the best ones The best ones. The best ones. But it never quite gets there. Sure. It never quite gets there. Yes. There we go.

I agree. I think these films are guilty, except for Casino Royale, really, of not having an identity of their own. Yep. Like, they're not classic Bond films, but they're not really anything else. Yeah, I agree. They're just kind of like, what is this? But we'll get into that, though.

What do you think the story was? My least favorite part of anything. Yeah, I agree. But I feel in a lot of cases a James Bond movie doesn't really need to have a coherent plot. Certainly not, no. You just need him to, he needs to get a thing. He needs to go to a place to find a thing and talk to somebody and sleep with some women and shoot some dudes. Maybe he gets on a boat. Maybe he gets on a boat. Maybe there's a torture device.

Then he kills some more dudes and that's the end. Yes. But in this one, Bond oh how about this yep in terms of bond going rogue right off the bat straight up he's he's open sometimes sometimes it's halfway through the movie before he goes rogue sometimes it's end of the first act this one he's already gone rogue yeah no yet but he's bloody gone rogue already by the bloody gun barrel sequence at the start, he's already gone rogue. So he's gone rogue. He's gone to Mexico City.

So let's just back up and work out how many of these he's gone rogue in. Yep. Casino Royale, he goes rogue because he quits. Yep. Or was that just quitting? No, that's more quitting. He doesn't really go rogue. In Quantum, does he go rogue?

Yeah. Let's assume he goes rogue. He definitely goes rogue in Skyfall. Yes, he does. He goes rogue twice. Yeah. Let's assume he goes rogue. He definitely goes rogue in Skyfall. Yes, he does. He goes rogue twice. Yeah. He goes rogue to have a scorpion drinking game. Yep.

And then he goes rogue at the end to save M. Correct. He double rogues. So even if he doesn't go rogue in Quantum Assault, let's assume he does. Yes. Let's take one of the going rogues from Skyfall. We'll put it in there. Absolutely. And in this one, bloody rogue right off the bat.

Yep. He ends up in Mexico City to kill a man. He goes rogue again as well later. We don't know in there. Absolutely. And in this one, bloody Rogue, right off the bat, he ends up in Mexico City to kill a man. He goes rogue again as well later. We don't know why yet, but we discover later there's a reason he went rogue. Yes. And then everything falls to bits. Yep. He retrieves a ring, an octopus-embossed ring.

Yep. And he's like, this is probably a clue. He says. He says. Out loud. You might have seen the poster. You might have seen the poster. uh embossed ring yep and he's like this is probably a clue he says he says out loud you might have seen the poster you might have seen the poster it's just it's just daniel craig staring in a ring he's like this might be a clue and it's in the like it's got that dynamic stripe along it looks really action-packed it's like oh a clue absolutely and it turned out to be a clue turned out to be a clue it had all sorts of clues in it. But then he goes back to MI6.

Yeah. And M's like, yeah, Bond, you went rogue again. Did you go rogue? And he's like, no. How dare you? I was just in Mexico because I like pina coladas.

Is that Mexican? It's not. I like paella. I like skull masks. He did like that skull mask. Do you notice the quick suit change at the start? I did notice that, yeah. That was pretty sweet.

And then it turns out that MI6 and MI5 are going to be combining under a sort of a privately backed... I feel like that's the plot of everything. Yeah, it does look like that. It's always MI6 and maybe MI5's worse in general. Yeah, it's tough to say. Like that's what it's always implied. Like MI5 is crap. be mi5's worse in generally yeah it's tough to say like that's what it's always implied like mi5 is crap i think mi5 is british security and mi6 is global security sure but anyway so there's this

privately backed global intelligence firm yes that he's gonna that he's gonna revolutionize it's gonna revolutionize revolutionize intelligence work it's gonna going to make the 00 section obsolete so they're going to get rid of that. They need to stop saying that as well. Yeah. You're a bloody obsolete Bond. They've said it every movie since maybe the 80s. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, they've definitely said it since Goldeneye and probably before that. Yeah. And it's bloody, you know, that bloke. What's his face? Weasel Man. Yeah, Weasel Man. From Sherlock.

Thank you. Weasel Man from Sherlock thank you Weasel Man from Sherlock he's clearly the villain yeah and yeah so it's about Bond I guess I guess eventually

trying to stop that that's not really his plot point as much but working out who's behind all the conspiracies who's behind all the conspiracies who is it why is bad stuff

always happening to good people why is it why is that we don't know so that's all that's all we'll talk about for that. We'll get into spoilers. Great. Of the mess that is the plot of Spectre.

What did you think of the intro song slash credits? That's not a spoiler, is it? No. You know what? It grew on me. I heard it way before. I heard it a couple of months before the movie. Yeah.

Just in isolation. And I'm like, I don't know if I did this so much. But in the context of the credits, in the context of this being maybe his last film. Yeah. They kind of, you know, the first couple of Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, they were kind of rockier kind of. Yeah. Yeah.

But this feels like an ending. Yes. Like an ending song kind of thing. Very much so. Yeah. I didn't mind it. Yeah. It's not my favorite by any stretch because the best one is Live and Let Die. We all know that. Is it? song kind of thing? Very much so, yeah. I didn't mind it, yeah. It's not my favourite by any stretch

because the best one is Live and Let Die. We all know that. Is it? What else is there? Living Daylights. The Living Daylights. Which is that one? It's, um...

I'm not going to sing it. Okay. Or am I? You used to sing it. Yeah, true. Well, something's happened. I don't know what it is. But you've changed.

Yeah. So that's exciting for that. But what about all the squids? All the squids in that opening? It was a lot of squids pulling triggers on guns. Squids and triggers. Squids having sex with women and stuff. Women with ink hair.

Yeah. It was some kind of weird fetishes. Yeah. Like dream come true. Oh, I remember how the Living Daylights go. It's like, whoa, the Living Daylights. You know that one? I don't, no.

It's great. It's great. Sounds like a Billy Joel song, so I'm okay with that. Yeah. Is it like a Billy Joel song? Ah, no. It's more, it's, if Billy Joel picked up a synthesizer. He'd do that.

Yeah, he would, wouldn't he? Yeah. Look, it's no, this theme song is no From Russia With Love. Nope. It's no. Skyfall. It's no bloody The Living Daylights. It's no whatever the theme to Octopussy was.

Don't know. Couldn't tell you. Octopussy. She's got more pussies than you were expecting. I guess more than one would be more than you were expecting. Wait, I can finish this. one would be more than you're expecting. Wait, I can finish this.

She will give you a fright when she queefs in the night like thunder. That's how you do a song parody, guys. Anyone can do it. You just take diamonds in forever and you put different lyrics over the top. I disagree that anybody could do that. I could not do that.

Oh, wait. The theme to Octopussy is all-time high. I apologize. That's okay. Yeah. That was better. Thank you. Presumably. Yeah, what do you think about the action sequences?

Again, see, they're edging up on sort of classic Bond. Yes. But they never quite... They're not quite dumb enough. They're not quite dumb. So, again, I have a lot of bad things to say about Skyfall. Yeah. But there's an opening sequence.

The opening sequence in Skyfall, there's a motorcycle chase. Yeah. And it's sort of larger than life in a way like a Bond action, like, again, a classic Roger Moore, James Bond action sequence is. But you also get the sense that they could really do it in real life. Yes, yes. But there's nothing, and that they could really do it in real life. Yes, yes. But there's nothing. And that to me is Bond.

Yeah. And, you know, over the years they've gone way too far. Yes. Like in Die Another Day there was the classic paragliding through a tidal wave because a satellite laser just melted an ice cap or whatever. Remember that happened? I remember that specifically. Yeah, that was pretty good. And so they go back and forth but again there's you know there's a there's a car chase in this yeah that is some

gadgets yeah it's pretty good yeah that's what i thought for all the action sequences but it felt a bit like it felt like it's kind of fairly standard chase sequence that could have been in any script yes in any movie there's a there's there's elements like there's your bond gadgets yeah and there's you know what i feel is a classic bond trope of he's he drives through a narrow laneway and there's like a like a little old bloke in france or what and he's driving a little three-wheeled car or whatever and he's just pottering about and bond's like get out of of the... And then Bond will shove him aside or whatever and the little old guy will be like, sacre bleu!

And then he'll drive into a... Which is the Hayasol for a French man. It was in Rome, actually. Yeah, okay. Absolutely. And then he ejector-seated. Yeah, he did. That's Bond. See, again, it keeps feeling like they're edging into

here he is in his full-fledged bond. Yes. Like, you know, if you're a guy who works in, you know, if you're a guy who works at MI6 and you were just, you know, kind of a foot soldier kind of guy or just like an intelligence gatherer. Yeah. And you sort of, you were promoted in the 00 agency where everything's a bit crazy. You know, initially you would be like, this is all a little bit weird. And then you'd slowly sort of get into the... Yeah, you're like, okay.

Like, because there's a... Not to spoil it or anything, but there is an ejector seat in his new car, the DB10, and he just sort of ejects. He's in a parachute. He calmly lands on the street and he just, you know, lets the parachute go and he just walks off into the night. That's very kind of Roger Moore. And that felt like, oh, yeah, he's a guy who's gotten used

to this role kind of thing. Like weird stuff happens and you just sort of run with it. But he never... Never quite gets there. Daniel Craig fully commits to it, I think. But the movie itself never really commits. See, I don't know if he's even the kind of guy that that bond fits yeah he's not great at kind of quips and stuff yeah that's true he's good at like somebody says

something and then he gives them a crippling insult yes that's so more than he is quick or an actual crippling or an actual crippling like for the bit where the guy's like he's like vodka martini and he's like we don't do vodka martini this is a health spa and he's like go fuck yourself like it's you know what i mean like yeah he's there's no that's that's his bond yeah he doesn't kind of do like he doesn't dress like a clown and sure yeah you know what i mean but yeah so i don't classic moment from octopussy yeah so he's not i don't know if he really suits it anymore or whatever these movies are trying to do it's there they're just a if you remember casino royale yeah i'm sure you do i do but there's a i felt that casino royale was was very good at kind of taking the tropes of bond and giving them a little twist like a nod and a wink of like we know this is kind of silly like you know how they're there's so much product placement

in in the movies but when when bond meets vespa lynn like eva green's character yeah she's like oh you know look at that watch is it a rolex and he's like omega and she's like beautiful like it's you know we know he switched from wearing rolexes to omegas yeah here's a little nod we had to put the product placement in we'll just let's just do it and there's again and there's the movement on the there's the thing on the on the train there's a scene on the train where they're they're chatting and he's explaining he's got to go to this you know he's got to go to Montenegro and he's got to beat Le Chiffre in this poker game and do this. And she's got this look and he's like, you don't think this is a very good plan, do you?

And it's not. It's a ridiculous plan. Just freeze his assets and have him killed. It's not difficult. That's right. But again, like, but I feel the subsequent movies have sort of lost that sense of humour about these kind of things. The humour has shifted, but it doesn't fit as much. Yeah, they're just like, well, we've got to go with darker and grittier.

See, maybe that's just a personal taste where I would have preferred it to go lighter. Yeah, I'd agree with that, sure. Well, not necessarily lighter, but more... More like Casino Royale. Yeah, but more like... I feel Casino Royale set this character up to be a guy who, like, he fell in love and now he's just kind of this cold robot with the kind of like a sheen of his,

like a, you know, kind of a ladies' man. Kind of like a Bruce Wayne. He's a robot with a bloody... Yeah, yeah. And I thought, well, this will be a set- setup for more kind of just more fun, you know, just fun shooting and killing and whatever. But he's all sad in his heart. He is sad in his heart.

Yeah. Well, look, he's okay, isn't he? I guess. No, I like him. I like him too, but I just don't think these movies are right for him anymore. And you said this before, he's been coasting on Casino Royale. Not that he's bad in them yeah but the good faith in this series stems from casino royale yes because all of the other

ones are just okay i like this one a lot more than i like skyfall okay and quantum of solace okay fair enough i don't know if i did i'm still kind of it's too much when we because we watched this together and we left and we were like gonna need to need some time to think about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about the other cast? So what about like, we've got M, we've got a new M, Ralph Fiennes. Sorry, Ralph Fiennes. Thank you. His name's not Rafe.

It's Ralph. There's an L in there. Yeah. Yep. He's good enough, I guess. I like his work. I feel, it's good that they gave him stuff to do. Yeah.

And he's kind of quick-witted and whatever. And he has his own little subplot. He gets his own action moments a little bit. Character-wise, I thought it was interesting that in the last one, he's like, we're shutting down the 00 agency or whatever. And in this one, they're like, we're shutting down the 00 agency. And he's like, how dare you? How dare you? I've never.

I guess he's seen the error of his ways. That's right. Exactly. He knows that you need someone to walk in and be mean and shoot people money pennies back she does some she does some holding of files and walking behind holding some files she does some promoting a phone yes in the ad in the ads immediately prior to the film that's correct yeah and we saw sony and the daniel craig heineken We saw that one. That's a balls ad, isn't it? Nick Nack's in it, weirdly. Yeah. Even though he's dead.

He's so dead. Yeah. Why him, though, of everybody? Exactly. Because in this ad, this Budweiser ad that we're all talking about. I think it's Heineken. Heineken. Whatever.

Yeah, it is Heineken. Shit beer. That's all right. The protagonist of the ad who's just some random woman yeah uh she's got Oddjob's hat

yeah so why not put Oddjob in it yeah yeah but it's not I don't think it is Oddjob's hat because it's just a regular hat

it's just a top hat yeah because Oddjob's hat is like a bowler hat isn't it yeah true and Daniel Craig doesn't kill anybody

yeah which I don't like that much no yeah um we were talking about this. I reckon there's some sort of clause in his contract that says he has to do reasonable amount of product placement promotion.

Yeah. And he's just, and they're like, one day he walked, they're like, come here, come to this office. And he walks in and it's a green screen and half a boat. And he has to stand up and go, how about lunch? And then they just build a whole ad around him. That's right. And then he's at the premiere or whatever and he sees it and he's like, oh, God.

What have I done? These, I can understand why he wants to quit. Yeah. Because these must be gruelling to make. Absolutely. Really gruelling. Like, are you talking physically, mentally? By all of those.

Or like the pressure from like the media and press and idiots like us who are like, be better. Be better films. Be like other movies that I like more. Do that. We won't give you any specifics, but just do it. Yeah, absolutely. Because he's never been the guy that's kind of comfortable with all this, is he? No.

Yeah. Monica Belushi. Yep. They made a big deal of that. Yeah, for someone who's in the movie for 10 minutes, maybe. Maybe. Maybe 10 minutes. But she's good in it. Sure. I new bond girl leah leah saddow yeah i think her name is leah sidu yeah i thought she yes her father invented the sidu did he really yeah that's

great yeah she's probably not hard up for a buck yeah but um i thought she was of the daniel craig era bond girls i thought she's she's been the best since Vesper. There's a little bit of forced kind of relationship. Boy, is there ever. There's a particular point. Yep. But also it's kind of like, I just want these guys,

maybe he deserves some happiness, so I kind of roll with it at this point. Sure, yeah. Because it's been three or four movies now of him being a miserable prick. But again, I 100% do not, like all these Bond movies have Bond sort of, you know, here's his duty to queen and country and bad things happen to everybody.

Yes. But here's him falling in love. He's got to fall in love with a woman. Yep. I 100% do not buy it. Yeah, fair enough. Not at all. There was not enough time.

Yeah, no, there wasn't. Yeah. Which is weird because this is a really long movie. Hour and two hours and two and a half hours? 148 minutes, right? I couldn't tell you. But it felt like a forever time. All right.

Good stuff in it. Ben Whishaw as Q. Yeah, he's great. He's great. Finally gets a Q in the field, which is great. I always enjoy that. He's not as mean as previous Q. But I guess they both can't be mean, can they?

Like Bond and Q. No, it's true. They're both freaks. And he's kind of... He makes a joke about bringing the car back in one piece, which I enjoyed quite a lot. See, that's the kind of stuff you're talking about where they take it right to that.

Yes, exactly. Basically, he makes a joke because in the previous film, his Aston Martin explodes. And they're like, I told you to bring it back. Well, he goes, I told you to bring it back in one piece, not bring back one piece. And then he kind of has a laugh to himself. But it's more like, yeah, exactly.

And he's got that, I don't know, he's, you can tell he's a good guy and he's willing to kind of bend the rules a little bit. You know, it's not a, this current Q branch isn't a Q branch that makes gadgets necessarily. Not as much, yeah. Not as much.

But he does, you know, and the rules, he's been told, Bond's gone rogue too many times, don't help him out in any way. But then he's like, take this watch,

the alarm's very loud on it kind of thing. And Bond's like, what? Yeah. Be specific. I would have liked it very much if they'd gotten to a point where he needs to use that watch.

It goes out there and it just goes beep, beep, beep. And he's like, oh, I thought there was a bomb. He was being literal. I'm such an idiot. Now I'm doomed. But that's not what happened. What about, okay okay speaking of idiots Christoph Waltz's character

oh yes who we'll talk about more in spoilers but everybody knows the fluffy white cat is out of the bag as it were he's he was very restrained

for Christoph Waltz yeah sure and for a Bond film yeah for a guy for a for a cartoon man yeah for a man who guy, for a... For a cartoon man. Yeah.

For a man who is famous for just chewing up scenery. Yeah. Playing a character who is very famous for, I don't know, all sorts of stuff. All sorts of shenanigans. Yeah. Yeah. Very restrained. Yeah, absolutely.

But I think they're going to throw him into the sequel, right? Yeah. Or they're saying that... Well, or a version of that. Yeah. Or I'm saying, or perhaps the events of this film are going to cause him to be much bigger in the next film. Sure, absolutely.

I think that might be the key. I see. Because of the way that this has been received, I don't know how this is going to end up going kind of next time around. We'll talk about it in the thing, but I'm 100% sure where it's going to go. Oh, that's true. You did say a thing about it, and I didn't disagree, I think.

Yeah, that was interesting. You said that actually as soon as we came out. Andrew Scott is Max Denby. He's the guy from Sherlock. Oh, there we go. Yeah, yeah. Oh, and can we mention a Bond villain who I really liked, Dave Bautista and Mr. Hicks. Oh, yeah, there we go.

I thought he was really good. Sure. Says one word in the whole movie. He does. Did you like his little metal thumbs? I don't understand what his gimmick is. Pulling out eyes. Yeah, I know, but I don't think he's got, like, bionic thumbs or anything.

No, he's got metal thumbnails. He's got metal thumbnails, yeah. I guess the diamond face has diamond face. Yeah. Jaws has Jaws the shark in a briefcase. Look, I just like, in his initial appearance, he just like, he just arrives

and he kills somebody and I thought at the time, like, oh, he's just, you know, he's a generic villain and he just, he just breaks necks or whatever.

What? But he really grew on me as a character. Sure. He was delightful and stylish. He was very stylish. He had that gun that had two barrels.

He had a double gun. Yeah. Yeah. He probably made it himself. Yeah. Actually, that's probably a real gun. No had two barrels. He had a double gun. Yeah. Yeah, he probably made it himself. Yeah. Actually, that's probably a real gun.

No, it is. It's a real gun. Really? Yeah, that's a real thing. They're quite rare, but they exist. Yeah, quite rare because they're dumb

and unnecessary. Yeah, they're real dumb. Yeah, absolutely. That's what I thought. Yeah. There we go. Yeah, you know what? Of all the Bond films

that I think I've ever seen, and I don't even know if I've seen them all, who cares, this felt the most like a sequel of any of them. Because it's like, do you remember this previous thing? Do you remember this villain? Here's a picture of them. Even in the opening credits, it's like, here's Vespaline.

It's a bit where he picks up the tape that says Vespaline torture scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the movie Casino Royale. I get the sense that they had to go to their legal team and go, we need to show some of the previous characters from these movies, but we don't want to pay anyone. What can we do? And the lawyer's like, oh, just get an A4 photo of their face

and just stick it on a wall. Then you won't have to pay them. They're like, no, no black and white. Kind of low res black and white. They're like, genius. And they've ticked it off There's a lot of that though I feel like they really brushed over Quantum

They mention Green occasionally Like he comes up But there's a bit in the end where you kind of see the pictures Of the different villains and Green's not there Like you see Lachif You see Fishface, Silver And you see Vesper But you don't see Green i think maybe m's there

it's not important but yeah so there's a lot of that and i think this move actually i've got a letter here about i'm ready um tell me if you agree with this i just suspect an afternoon i thought it was terrible for many reasons one particular reason uh was the point that you guys brought up in your Daniel Craig era Bond episode namely Bond films follow all trends but set none I felt like this was

an attempt to copy an MCU movie there were a lot of nods to the other Bond films that I believe were meant to serve as Easter eggs

but were blatantly enforced in furthermore the plot seemed to be a rip off of The Winter Soldier the evil organisation infiltrates the good guys

to launch a global surveillance system so the hero must fight off his childhood friend to save the day that is very true although i would say that quantum of solace essentially did that already yeah quantum was very much oh hey then we had this evil organization in our organization the whole time point and it's the best and where we had no idea, and they're the best. So this was just kind of like... Hey, here's more of this. We'll just do a better version of Quantum. Yeah, yeah.

Now they have the rights back to Spectre. That's it. That's exactly it. Yeah. Do you agree with that, though? That, like, they all... It's a lot of, like... It feels like it's trying to build this shared universe,

but after the fact. It is odd, isn't it? Because we've only- Spoilers now, I guess. Yeah. Look, arguably we've only got one movie left or no movies left with Daniel Craig in it. So it is way too late to be like, hey, here's this whole new universe because after the next one, we're getting a new Bond, presumably.

Yeah. So- Exactly. What a waste of time. Spoilers from now. Best movie ever or worst movie ever? Okay, as a... Here we go.

As a sequel, worst movie ever. Yep. As a action movie. I'm going to say best movie ever. Because it feels like a pretty good, it feels like a pretty good, solid like a pretty good solid pulpy action if I just if this was unrelated

to any Bond or anything like that it was a different character I'd be like this is pretty good if it was just a spy movie I'd be like I enjoyed this

it's a solid movie as a Bond film I'm gonna say worst movie ever yep because they just had to shoehorn in yeah

what we're gonna talk about in spoilers it just why bother see the thing is I have to say worst even though i liked parts of it yep but every time someone's like what did you think should i say it i'm kind of like i can't i can't definitively say definitively say that you should ever see this even on i guess if it's on tv but yeah okay but there are action sequences

and you know craig is good everybody is good. Everybody is good. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they are being paid a lot of money to be good. So if they weren't... Look, it's not terrible but I can't recommend it. That's fair. Okay.

All right, let's talk spoilers. I'm going to say it again though. I'm not. Okay. And again, I say that. I say that a lot. You'd say that about Edge of Tomorrow almost every week. Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about Blofeld. Okay. And again, I say that. I say that a lot. You'd say that about Edge of Tomorrow almost every week.

Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about Blofeld. Okay. So it turns out the main villain- I think you mean Franz Oberhauser. I do not. No, that's true, yeah.

So it turns out that this whole time, everything that's happened in Bond's life, every tragedy has been manufactured from ernest ernest what's his name ernst ernst stavros blofeld who changed his name to that yep now i don't think the the reveal i mean we saw it coming from a thousand miles away yes we did and the big problem with this movie i found is just get to the thing yeah there's a lot of bond walking around going what's the mystery what's this who are you what's how is this What's this? Who are you? How is this connected? I felt they didn't make it entirely clear when he goes to the Spectre meeting that he knew Oberhauser already.

Oh, really? I felt it was a little bit vague. Oh, okay. Because he's like, look up Franz Oberhauser. And I'm like, how do you know? Yeah. There's no... I'm going to get it now.

I've seen the movie. I understand. Post haste. Yeah, post, yeah. Post haste doesn't work, does it you know? Yeah. There's no... I'm going to get it now. I've seen the movie. I understand. Post-haste. Yeah, post, yeah. Post-haste doesn't work, does it? No, yeah. But yeah, I don't think the twist was as bad as the Khan Star Trek twist. No, because...

Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, because that was like, it was a big deal. It was kind of like, I am Khan. And there was the musical sting. Yeah, and everyone's like... And people who were fans of Star trek were like but wouldn't he look like the other car what's going on this doesn't make any sense and people who who were not fans of the old star trek were like what does that even mean exactly was that in the previous movie we

don't remember but this this one i the reveal here i feel was just there wasn't there was no big sting or whatever he was just like i changed my name yeah to my mother's name i just changed it because i hate my father and you're a dickhead yeah yeah look i on the one hand um a man who would kill his own father yes because his father got along better with some other kid yeah is exactly the kind of person who would build a like a giant criminal empire yeah sure but at the same time, I do not like the fact that it happens. He happens to be James Bond's big brother.

That is so, yeah. We've talked, we've talked many times about how I don't like the fact that there's all this destiny that's been woven into these new Bond films. Just have him be a guy. And it's ridiculous that like, he could,

he could be a guy Bond met in military training or something like that. He could be a guy Bond met in military training. That's right. Or something like that. He could have any other league. He could be a guy that Bond had never met, but Bond had come close to catching without even knowing it. Yeah. Which is what he even says.

Yeah, yeah. It's like, why does he have to know him? Yeah. Why do they have to have snow holidays together? Exactly, yeah. But even things like, what if Bond... And this guy has dedicated so much of his life to ruining James Bond, right? Three or four movies at least.

What if James Bond turned out to be a gardener? What if he'd gone and like salt the earth at night where he was doing his gardening? Do you know what I mean? Like, it just happens to be that he's the world's best secret agent. Like, it's nonsense. It's the stupidest thing. Not that's ever happened. Oh, time for another day of me, James Bond,

world's greatest ice cream man. I'll just go to my truck and, oh, no, someone turned the fridge off. All my ice cream's melted. It's ruined. And then Blofeld's just twirling his mustache. Yeah, I'd say that. Why? Why, indeed. Yeah, you're mustache. Yeah, I'd say that. Why? Why indeed?

Yeah, you're right. So, yeah. What are the odds they'd both become good at a particular thing? Yeah, like weird espionage. Why? Yeah, what are the odds they'd both become different sides of the same super espionage coin? Look, it would have made sense if Bond was a gardener, Blofeld would have had to have been a concreter maybe. Oh, yeah.

And he gets, yeah, totally. That's how that works. Yeah. Yeah. You know that you talked about the plane sequence... Oh, sorry. The action sequence in particular being ridiculous. Yeah. But maybe not ridiculous enough.

I thought that plane sequence... Was too ridiculous? For these movies, yes. Uh-huh. Because the cars leave. There's a bit where they kidnap the girl and they drive off in the snow. Good to see the snow back. Love that.

It's good to see Bond in the snow. And then Bond just rocks up in a plane. Yep. I don't know how he got that. It's not like Bond. He had it in his pocket. Yeah, I know it was there, but how did he get there so quickly? And then not only that, he gets the wings clipped off

and then he's bloody steering it through the snow. Is that how a plane works? Probably not. Probably? We don't know. We're're no experts it's things like that really like what what do you what era is this and also there's two part there's two parts of the movie where the only reason he leaves the bad guys alive is so they can menace him later yes like hinks there's that plane crash sequence. He crashes into the truck.

Hinks goes through the windshield. Bond would know he's still alive. Like he's a huge guy. You check at least. You shoot him in the head. Like this Bond would shoot him in the head. Yes, absolutely. But he doesn't solely because in the plot,

the plot requires Hinks to later show up on the train. That's right. Yeah. And again, there's the scene where he's being tortured. Yep. And then he gets Miss Seadoo to throw the watch and it blows up and he just leaves Blofeld there. He doesn't kill him.

No. He just takes off. And I guess that is more justified than he's being injured and his brain's all goop at this point. It's been swizzled about. I want to talk about that as well. But just, why didn't you kill him? Or at the end.

Yeah. Just kill him heaps of times. We should get, we could get to that. Speaking of the train sequence though. Yes. Great fight. I liked the fight a lot, yeah. Higgs gets set on fire and he doesn't seem all that perturbed about it, which I thought

was good. Where was everybody? And where is everybody afterwards? Exactly. Where did they all go? He's like, so they maybe fight through three or four carriages. Including the dining bar. The dining, where there's people in it.

Yeah. And then they kind of leave. And then Bond's like, let's have sex. And nobody comes up to him and is like, hey. Hey, what happened here? What? We're calling the police. Yeah.

The police are arriving by helicopter. Because police can do that. Yes, that's right. Yeah. Because it We're calling the police. Yeah. The police are arriving by helicopter because police can do that. Yes, that's right. Yeah. Because it's whatever the issue is. And then they're just like, hey, just let us off here, please. Yeah, exactly.

In this bit of the middle of the desert. And they're like, okay. We will. You're right. They did a lot of property damage. There was a lot of broken windows. Just a lot of bullets flying. Nobody says anything.

Unless everybody else on the train was killed it's possible I guess I mean that guy had that double gun he did have that double gun that was a great fight I enjoyed that fight a lot Dave Bautista

they're a good match I think so too yeah I don't I think he could be back Mr Hinks yeah I hope so

I want to see him back we didn't see him we don't know what he that would have killed anybody. No, but see, that's the thing. He's the new Jaws. Exactly. He's the Jaws.

And you can't kill Jaws. No. So it's entirely possible that he landed in some soft scrub. Yeah. Or even if he didn't. It's fine. It's just impossible he's alive. It's just possible he's alive.

Even though he gets wrenched by his neck out of a speeding train. True. I feel like he could be alive. Yeah. Yeah. One suggestion of what his ability, like his weird henchman ability was, is he had like a reinforced spine. There's no evidence of that in the movie, but somebody mentioned that on a podcast or

something like that. And I'm like, if he had something like that, he could live maybe. Yeah, definitely. I don't know. Or they could put it in after he was mangled, after he fell out of a train. Sure. Basically, I want to see him back. Yeah, definitely. I don't know. Or they could put it in after he was mangled, after he fell out of a train. Sure. Basically, I want to see him back. Yeah, definitely.

And I want to see him eventually make peace with Bond. And go to space. And then fall in love with a really tiny woman and float off into space. Yeah, that's the dream. Yeah, isn't it, though? Yeah, I feel like there's a, maybe not a good chance, but there's a chance he'll be back.

Yeah. Because Craig didn't shoot him in the head. Because, and this a good chance, but there's a chance he'll be back. Yeah. Because Craig didn't shoot him in the head. Because, and this was theorized and I think it's, a lot of people theorized before this movie came out, this is just going to be on Her Majesty's Secret Service. Yes. It turns out it's just on Her Majesty's Secret Service part one. Yes, that's right. Because he falls in love with this woman all too quickly and he drives off into the distance,

into the sunset. and that's what you said when we left you said the only thing that you were kind of like oh what's going to happen was are they going to kill her like they did in her on a secret service yeah but they'll get to that they'll get to that next time around well you you had an idea though that the next film if it's if it is that and craig leaves yeah they keep everybody but craig as a kind of a sweet transition yes yeah well so that's because daniel like we've said a whole bunch of times daniel craig is contracted for one more yes movie and heineken ad oh now i'm in space heineken little little space pack of Heineken. They get him again.

He turns up. It's a green screen room. Half a space shuttle. God damn it. Yeah. Mr. Hinks is there in like a big silver jumpsuit with a fishbowl on his head. He's like, I don't know how they got me either. They said it was for a WWE shoot.

I don't know. I don't know what's happening. Yeah, but I think if he's like, if he figures out a way to weasel his way out of this yeah to crash through the plywood door of not doing another movie yeah i reckon it's entirely possible they'll just switch bonds and they'll leave cdu yep and all in q and m and all those care money penny and just pretend nothing happened i'd'd agree with that. Like, even, and I'm sure, you know, people will be like, that's so weird, I don't understand. But I, if you annoyed this, if you annoyed a movie production company enough, I reckon they could do, I reckon there's probably examples in the past. Yeah.

Of them just replacing a star in a movie and going. Yeah, happens all the time. How about that? What do you reckon? Don Cheadle, Iron Man. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, not the main character,le Iron Man oh yeah I mean not the main character necessarily

in a way he was the main character well they switched out Sean Connery was like I'm done with this shit yeah that's true and they kept all the they kept Moneypenny and M&Q

and all those guys you're right absolutely in fact this is the franchise with the most precedent for that I didn't even think of that but it's not what it used to be in the sense that they've fucking tied themselves up in so much continuity yeah and and like in history and

whatever that it will be weird if they do that oh it'll be really everything's connected and because it never used to be like that if this was just missions as they should be yeah you could just swap him out yeah now you can't be can't. Be weird. Yeah. I mean, they probably can, obviously. And you couldn't. And we'd all, as an audience, have to not acknowledge it. Because they couldn't do it in story and go, well, he's had a small amount of plastic surgery and now he's a different Bond and he's two inches shorter or whatever. Yeah, that's right.

It wouldn't work. Yeah. Or taller. Yeah. As it were. Yeah. The torture scene. Yes.

What did you think of that? Weird. Weird. Weird and it didn't really it was too complicated and then it didn't work out the way it was supposed to work like he's like i'm gonna put this drill in your brain and then you'll forget everyone you haven't met and then he puts the drill in his brain and he pulls it out and she's like do you still recognize me and he's like yep see i thought for a second maybe he was pretending and i would have been like that's cool because he because he wouldn't have let it got to get to him right and

just be like just go with it because he's smart enough to know well that's what's happened yep but i must know who this is so i thought they made and then maybe he gets his memory back later you know what it would have worked though anything else yes. A rope with a knot in the end being whipped in the nuts? Right in the balls. But that would work. Again, it's too late for all these things. It's too late to build Bond. You built Bond at Casino Royale should have just had Bond movies after that

but you didn't. You had to keep just building on this. What they should have done I thought where it was going was they drilled into his brain. He didn't recognise different women anymore. Okay. And that's Bond. Okay.

Like he just sees them all as exactly the same. That's why he's like that. Because he's like, I don't understand. Like they're all interchangeable. And you know what? That's why he's such a jerk all the time. Because he genuinely doesn't recognize them as being different people. That's brilliant.

Yeah. And you know what? They didn't do that. Because it's very Bond, but it's also Daniel Craig sad. Like it's both. It's both. Yeah, yeah. Well done.

Yeah. Unless he does have that and we're not aware of it. Yeah, well, maybe that's in the next one. He'd be like, oh, yeah. As soon as the lights switch on and he's in a weird silver torture chair, I'm like, no, this isn't right. This isn't going to work, yeah. And then there's a weird CGI drill that's got like an arm

that unfolds behind his head. Look, I found it very unpleasant. Yeah, it's unpleasant. Which is good for a torture scene. Definitely. Yeah, uncomfortable. Yeah, I don't know. And he kind of stopped Blofeld from monologuing.

Monologuing? Is that the word? Yeah. It's like, shut your mouth. I'd rather die just stick needles in my brain I don't care I've been whipped

in the balls you remember you were there probably I don't know what did you think of the villains base it was a nice

call back it was a nice call back to your classic bond until you've got an exposed bloody gas canister

where you put one bullet in it and the whole thing goes up yeah see again that's the exploding hotel from quantum that's that's... That's the exploding hotel from Quantum. That's all that is. That's the exploding embassy from bloody Casino Royale.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. See, that's a weird convention that even realistic movies have, that if you shoot a gas tank, it blows up. It never worked. No, it doesn't. They did it on Mythbusters.

Did they? They did it and they just shot hundreds of rounds and are, like, different. And eventually they... Because, you know, in Mythbusters, they sort of have to get it done eventually. They were like, okay, they went to some military supplier and they got like explosive tipped incendiary bullets. And then they got it to work.

Good. Is that what he had? No, just regular bullets. He didn't even have a double gun. Didn't even have a double single gun. What if the two bullets kind of clipped together and made a little spark? We'll never know. We'll never know because he fell out this bloody side of a train i think he did i think that was the biggest maybe you'll come back with a triple gun imagine one points backwards

oh that's see that's that's the gun you know that's you really got to believe you're gonna really got to have beliefs absolutely yeah shoot yourself i think that was the biggest explosion of all time or the biggest movie explosion oh really that makes sense yeah it looked great live yeah it was live it seemed like it was now upon upon watching that i'm like did they do that in one take or did they green screen oh okay yeah daniel craig looks real but they can do it good enough now that you don't notice yeah yeah because there is a featurette on it i haven't watched it if i were daniel craig looks real but they can do it good enough now that you don't notice yeah yeah because there is a featurette on it i haven't watched it if i were daniel craig and i cared about this franchise at all i would feel a lot of pressure there yeah what if you flub your line while the world's biggest explosion is happening didn't they turn away from the camera

so they could have been like they could have rdo at the top of it what an explosion what a big explosion i hate being here i hate being in these movies. I hate it. Leave me alone. I wish I could dive into that explosion. Maybe I will. Is it too late? Oh, it's probably too late. Great.

Great stuff. You know what was weird? What's that? At the end where they return to old MI5, which I liked. MI6. MI6, I apologize. But they merged them, so who knows? Yeah.

What's what? And they take Bond in there and he's got a bag on his head and then he kills the two henchmen somehow. Straight away, yeah. And then when he walks up, there's like an arrow, it says James Bond and an arrow.

Yeah. Does that mean that Blofeld knew he was going to kill those guys and go through a weird, like, maze? That's a really good question. Do you see what i'm saying see what you're saying maybe that's just for the henchman yeah but why is he putting up bloody black and white photos of all these parts like he would have had to have run off all those copies

and he was the only one in there it looks like i mean maybe somebody else put them up and the bloody printer's always jamming yeah exactly let alone one that hasn't been blown up but all the printers in mi6 would have been blown up. Like there had to have been a moment where he requested that they run off those pictures and print them off. And he's like, okay, we'll put one here. We'll put one here. That's a good point. Maybe they were supposed to go in and take the hood off

and then drag him around. Oh, okay. Like a carnival ride. Like a carnival ride, exactly. That makes some sense. I had another thought about James Bond. What was it? MI6.

He should have shot Blofeld in the head at the end. Yeah, he really should have. Daniel Craig Bond will kill anybody for any reason. Correct. And he'd let him go. Yeah. But again, he let him go. Because of love.

Because of friends. Friends and love. Yeah. I guess that, I mean, like you said, he let him go so he can come back. Oh, the thought was, I was going to mention it pre-spoilers, but we finally had a resolution to how many Aston Martin DB5s there are. There are two.

Right, explain this. There's the one, well, there's no need to explain. Okay, basically, in Casino Royale, he wins one. Because the classic James Bond character is the Aston Martin DB5. In Casino Royale, he wins one in like a backstreet poker game and then in then it's never mentioned again and then in Skyfall

he has to rescue M and then he opens like a garage door and there's another DB5 which has weird Q branch stuff in it like machine guns and ejector seats and it's never explained is that a different one or is it the same one? And I had a number of theories,

none of which make any sense, but it turns out that that is, that belonged, that the second one belonged to MI6 and Q loaned it out to him. Okay, there you go. Great. And he came back for it at the end.

Yes. Do you reckon they did that because people were like, I see, I missed all that. I just, it was like, the problem was there was, it was so few, few and far between interesting things happening in this movie. Yes.

And then Blofeld turns up like, he turns up like maybe 40 minutes in and then he disappears for an hour and a half. Yep. And then he turns up at the end. He's like, I'm scarred. I'm Blofeld that, you know,

from the movies. I mean, from life, from our lives. Yep. Yeah. Whatever. the scars are pretty good I guess yeah it was alright

that's a good CGI scar probably shaved his head in prison yeah yeah should have shot him on the bridge should have shot him on the bridge in front of everybody yes

and then he could have just opened his wallet and he's got license to kill on it and he's like look everyone jealous jealous everyone and then he just

bloody shoots somebody else in the crowd. He's like, I can do this all night, ladies and gentlemen. All night. So he, what was I going to say? Also, she knows that he's killed a whole bunch of people. She's seen him do it. She's seen him do it. What's one more?

Exactly. What difference does it make to her? Is it just to prove to himself that he doesn't have to do it? I guess so. But I think he should have done it. Should have done it. I would have done it. and I've never killed anybody. But I would kill that guy.

Yeah. Because he's mean. Yeah. You put that drill in your brain. Exactly. He could have been like, oh, you drilled through the part of my brain that prevents me from killing unarmed men. This is on you. Bang.

He didn't. Maybe he didn't recognize him because exactly the drill through the brain exactly yeah look it's pretty balls i guess yeah i can't look real good though it looks great and there's once again he makes a okay what about okay i got one more thing i guess that's kind of dumb at the start they do an awesome helicopter helicopter better because he's not as he's not as ripped is he notice i didn't go shirtless except for the opening song but that was all kind of shadowed and yeah and whatever but that is the solution definitely stop being so ripped down your craig in his suits yeah you weird potato but um sorry you were saying at the start well so he chases a guy into a

helicopter great helicopter stunt i guess yep because i actually did that yeah but the first thing he does he jumps in the helicopter it takes off and he starts punching the pilot in the head like leave the pilot the pilot will fly to last kill the guy with the ponytail who monica belushi hates or whatever that's true that's all i'm saying why is he i mean he's a mad dog you said he's a wild man like what's he doing anyway and a helicopter is not the kind of a helicopter is not the kind of vehicle that would just fly on its own no like you need to control if you let go of either of them it will crash like it's 90 certain it will crash if they let go of the thing yeah they're much harder to fly than like a plane no exactly it's not the kind of thing you can kind of free fall and easily

no i mean it's possible, I guess, but whatever. See, that edged very close to that Charlie's Angels full throttle. Okay, sure. Where they're in a helicopter. I think they're in a helicopter. I've never seen it. No, but it was real bad. I don't like them.

They restart a helicopter in midair. Don't they do that? Oh, he does it in a plane in Goldeneye. Yeah, that's fine. It's a plane. It's up and down, mate. It's aerodynamic. Exactly. But you can't do that with a helicopter. It doesn't work. The bloody rotors in Goldeneye. Yeah, that's fine. It's a plane. It's up and down, mate. It's aerodynamic. Exactly.

But you can't do that with a helicopter. The bloody rotors will just fall off. Yeah. Anyway. There was a kind of sense of tension, though, with all the people. But then again, even though a lot of this helicopter stuff is real, obviously those people aren't. Yes, that's true.

So it's like, who cares about these people? Yeah. And also, if you're on unofficial business... Yes. ...getting some revenge, don't punch a pilot of the helicopter that's above thousands of people. Correct.

Imagine how poorly that would have been. Because he would have lived somehow. Bond would have survived. He just tumbled out. And then he has to go back to MI6 and be like, oh, yeah, I crashed a helicopter in a crowd and I killed hundreds of people. He's a monster.

He's a mad dog. He's the loosest unit there is. Got some letters here though. I'm ready. About Spectre, specifically. It's from Kevin.

I went and saw Spectre tonight and I found it was satisfying. I don't have a ton of negative things to say but I went, but the movie was serviceable. I liked how Q was in it more. The car chasey scene was good.

The cinematography, especially the start, was particularly impressive and the landscape established shots were good. All in all, I think I'd give it best movie ever but I think Walt's could have done a little bit more to grab me as a villain.

That being said, it's just a bloody movie. None of this actually matters. Arithos. None of this really actually matters. There we go. Another letter here. It's from Ike.

Sorry, I-X-E. How do you pronounce that? Ix. Ix-E. X-A. As far as Blofeld being responsible for all the other movies, it didn't make him seem that threatening.

He was basically just saying that he was a bad guy instead of actually doing anything. That and I don't believe he actually had any hand in the events of Skyfall. I can't buy him overseeing a group like Quantum.

Sorry, I can buy him overseeing a group like quantum sorry i can buy him overseeing a group like quantum but i'm pretty sure he was just taking credit for javier bardem's vendetta against m yeah see i i was going to mention that i it does kind of feel like you if you've been surveilling bond for a really long time yeah and you've seen you know all his love interests die and all these bad things happen it would make sense to take credit even if you didn't do it. But then it's also weird that he made like a PowerPoint presentation about it. That's a step too far, don't you think? Yeah, it really is.

Guy's a loon. But yeah, again, I don't like the idea that there's this one overarching thing. It makes more sense to be like, these things are of his own doing in a lot of cases. Vesper died because he let his guard down and he loved and blah, blah, blah. Not because bloody Blofeld was there. Because his brother did it. Yeah. Last letter.

It's from Sol. Hey, James and Mason. I went to see Spectre last night and I didn't enjoy it very much. I found it really boring because I haven't really seen any of the other movies except Skyfall, which was all right. So I spent the entire movie

just being really confused about who all these people were and why they were doing things. It's a valid point. It's a valid point. It's a valid point, yeah. Which is why they should just be do a mission. Yeah. Because the next one, it can't just be he does a mission.

It's the second half of On Her Majesty's Secret Service. God damn it. Yeah. He even meets her at the bloody clinic. Yeah, he does, exactly. Okay, before we go. And the bloody, the father is the son, because he says, Mr. White, it doesn't matter the father is the son, because he says Mr. White's...

It doesn't matter. What's the what now? It's similar. He says he's going to protect... Oh, okay, right. I don't remember the other one. But yeah, people like it. Yeah.

So the future of the series we talked about, I wanted to ask you about that, but we covered that. But where do you rank this in terms of the Daniel Craig Bond films? I feel it's number two. Okay. In the sense that it's poop. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

I threw you for a loop there. I think part of you believes that though. I know. I think it's Casino Royale, Spectre. Yep. You don't really remember Quantum, do you? No, I'm going to say Skyfall, Quantum of Solace. Yeah.

Okay. See, it's probably a better film than Skyfall but Skyfall was kind of at least it kind of flowed better and he kind of did things it was more nonsense Skyfall was probably more nonsense

but it was more interesting and I didn't I wasn't just waiting for the next thing to happen that I thought was going to happen and then the next thing happened

yeah that's fair so I think I enjoyed Skyfall more but yeah definitely Casino Royale is better having watched Quantum recently Yeah, that's fair. So I think I enjoyed Skyfall more. But yeah, definitely Casino Royale is better. Having watched Quantum recently, it's not that much worse,

if it is worse than Quantum. Uh-huh. Quantum, and that's amazing because nobody wrote Quantum. Sure, yeah. They just winged it. It happened in the writer's strike. Uh-huh. I mean, I'm too close.

Like this film, I just saw it. So I'm too close to make a definitive kind of called it. It happened in The Rider's Strike. I mean, I'm too close. This film, I just saw it. So I'm too close to make a definitive kind of call on it. But yeah, it's not... If it's better than Quantum, it's not by much, in my opinion. All right. Just... Can we... I don't know, man.

No, it's too late. Just get the guy back who made Goldfinger. Not Goldfinger. Goldeneye. No, no, Goldfinger. Yeah. Goldeneye and bloody Cas and bloody casino real it's the same director he also made greenland which isn't very good no but i can't remember just keep away

from magic rings yes yeah and then and octopus rings exactly and octopus rings so i don't know i think it's time for we're probably going to get another craig one but it's time to shake it up man yeah bloody shake shake it up, man. Yeah. Bloody shake it up. What if in the next one, Seedoo is killed immediately. Okay. And then there's... Seedoo's killed in the cold open.

Yep. Then it's like one year later and he's just doing a mission. Great. That would be great, wouldn't it? They won't do that. They won't. Absolutely not.

It'll be just another two and a half hours of just the same. Of destinies. Yeah, destinies. Yeah, good Lord. All right, that'll do it. Yep. You know what it's time for then?

What are we reading? What we gonna read. How it goes now? It is. I'm doing the thing. What are we reading today? What did you read? Were you throughout the call last week, didn't you?

Well, I was throughout the call last week. I asked listeners to tell me on Twitter. Yeah. Hashtag weekly planet pod. There we go. We'll find it. Yeah, we'll bloody find it. Or just that, at us.

Yeah, whatever. Or both. Yeah. I said, because I had said that I didn't have an A-plus show that I watched every week and people delivered I tell you what they've come up with a lot

of really good and I just said I need an A plus show like it's the your favourite show it has to be on right now it can't be

the last one was two years ago whatever it can't be Firefly or whatever it has to be on now your favourite show you watch it every week you tune in bring back Firefly or whatever. Has to be on now. Your favourite show. You watch it every week.

You tune in. Bring back Firefly. Overwhelmingly. Petition. Sorry. Overwhelmingly, people said Fargo. Yes. Season two is out now.

I've seen the first two episodes of season one. And then I think I was distracted because I probably had to watch Game of Thrones for this thing or something. I don't know. But yeah, I've seen it. It looks really great. And apparently the current season is set prior. It's set decades prior.

Did we talk about this earlier this week? We might have, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So look a real good time. I watched, I got up to date on Fargo this week because of that. People kept tweeting about it. It's amazing.

It's as good as like True Detective season two was a disappointment compared to one. This is easily on par as of so far with the first season. It's awesome in the sense that there's a guy, there's a, there's a retired cop. Who's the father of the, the woman in the first one in the first season. And this is a flashback to him being a cop in the late seventies.

Cause you find out in the first series that some big event happened to him and they don't really touch on it. And then this is just all this. Oh, I see. And it's the same actor. No, it's the guy who plays

Night Owl oh Patrick Wilson Patrick Wilson great and he's fantastic amazing very good

amazing series alright I'm gonna get on to that and Meth Damon's in it as well I love Meth Damon from Breaking Bad yeah he's good

there's a whole bunch here Last Man on Earth enjoy that great show kind of lost track of it but still good Peaky Blinders what is that?

it's got Cillian Murphy it's set in the bloody I don't know Prohibition era or something sure looks pretty good I think Peaky Blinders is probably the most British thing

anyone's ever said it sounds like something my parents watch yeah absolutely so it's good though yeah The Nick which is

it's got Clive Owen in it okay and it's a medical drama set sort of right at the beginning of like. Scrubs season two. Yeah, exactly. But it's sort of like, it's set in a, you know, real life hospital that was sort of at the forefront of medical, like surgery. Okay. Like in the 1910s maybe, I think.

Looks real good. Great. Just like pre-World War 1 and I think it's a show that there's no makeup on the show like nobody has so that's odd

that's Clive Owen look I mean not not great but not worse sure he could have been banned Ash vs Evil Dead Evil Dead TV series

the problem with that show is yes there's no problem with it okay I have never seen those movies so I feel like all you need to do is see...

Two and three. No, just three. Just three is fine. Okay. Because three has a recap of the first two in it. Oh, okay. And one is a horror film, two is a horror comedy. I've seen the reboot.

Three is basically just a comedy. Yeah, yeah. With some horror elements to it. Yeah. Is Bruce Campbell in the remake at all? No, but they may be in the same universe they've hinted that they might be interesting okay a whole bunch of other stuff the leftovers were recommended i don't know what that is i assume it's a some kind of dish no i

imagine it's a you know what are you like a rapture kind of situation okay right something like that uh here's one uh how did you think i'd get rapture from you doing that yeah i don't know it's like you're opening it i like the trunk of a car exactly yeah and then get rapture from you doing that? Yeah, I don't know. It's like you're opening it. I like the trunk of a car. Exactly. Yeah, and then the rapture's in there. Yeah, that's how you get raptured. You jump in the boot of your car and you close the lid.

Drive it into a lake. Yeah. How to get away with murder is apparently very good. I've heard a lot of good things about that. And also, often you'll see on the Twitters, you'll see hashtag HTGAW awm and every time i see that i think how i met your mother but it's not that it's something else uh and a whole bunch of other stuff but also limitless oh yeah there's a limitless same same universe same universe

but bradley cooper is now a senator yes and he has given the limitless drug to someone who is now working with the fbi i think yeah because, because he's like, be Limitless. Now, Limitless the movie, I turned off halfway through because it was so boring. I liked it. But look, I'll give this show a crack. Okay, fair enough. Anyway, so a whole bunch of stuff. But realistically, what I'm going to watch this week is every episode of Doctor Who I haven't watched yet.

And a bit of Jessica Jones. That's right. So again, Doctor Who next week, Hunger Games next week, and following week, Jessica Jones. Yeah, cool, man. And it's going to be a good time, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Not guaranteed.

No. Oh, yeah. Did I mention that Fargo was what I was reading? Oh, there you go. Yeah, it's great. Seems like you're reading a lot less shows than I am, my friend. All right.

Well, you know, we've got to do some letters because that's what we do, I guess, when we talk about we have letters, don't we? Yes, we do. But there's something about a theme song that you explain. Oh, is there? Yes, there is. Ooh!

Do you want me to break it down? Why don't you tell us about it? Oh, my God. All right. So basically every week I refuse to edit in a letters theme because it involves more... He refuses! You're bloody

twisted around uh and because it involves more work for me so what we do is that much more work slightly more for me so what we do if you want to write any kind of lettuce theme I think this week we said spy theme but it could be literally anything and it might not be what you actually have yeah today it is not if you put it up on YouTube and then tweet it at Mason with, say it's a lettuce theme, and then he'll pick one, any one of them, and then he'll play it through his phone into the microphone. And that way. It's the only way it's going to happen.

You'll stop the man, as in me, from bringing everybody down. Stop bringing everybody down, the man. Yeah, by not putting in a lettuce theme. This one just says, weekly planet lettuceters Theme Song Sweet Minigun. I don't think it's a theme. I think it's something else. This is the theme for this week, though. Great.

Like it already. Your phone just paused. Oh, jeez. This is a weird... God. Nick Mason. What? You don't deserve shit.

Oh, no. Oh, no. Nick Mason what you don't deserve shit oh no well you know let's do some letters then that is a letters thing that is a letters thing that's absolutely that could very well be a look into the future

of this show of you mini gunning me to death correct yeah also shout out to Nicholas J Johnson who just tweeted at me and ruined that

thanks Nicholas J Johnson previous guest on the show what are you right something or other i like that guy actually yeah he's like his potto it's good anyway let's talk about letters yes let's talk about letters okay so as uh also we do tweets as well so if people like i said hashtag we can find a pod we'll look for it do a couple of tweets couple letters and we'll just kind of see how we go uh now lots of people have mentioned this on Twitter, including Jay, who is at Terra Owen, that there's a

Shia LaBeouf update. He's live streaming himself watching all of his movies. Now, look, we have neglected Shia LaBeouf news as of late. Is it because we're

sick to death of Shia LaBeouf and he should shut up? And he's a parasite and I hate him. This is why I hate him. He's got a dumb face. Oh, sure, yeah. No, that's not it you can have whatever face you want i'm i don't care about your face yeah you dickhead but this all started because he stole somebody's work yep blatantly oh yeah and then instead of

properly apologizing he just compensating this artist with yes his millions of dollars maybe even doing an interview where he explained and whatever anything at all he decided to be like I'm crazy I'm a dickhead that was part of my art as well exactly stealing is part of my art is a reflection of stealing in art and so now because he's stolen somebody's work

it seems like and then he just sent him into this ridiculous spiral of him doing dumb things that now we all have to hear about. Yeah. Potentially forever until he ends up like one of the Corey Feldman or the other Corey that died. Like, shut up. I'm sick of your shit.

Does it not amuse you that every single time he thinks he's going to, I feel every single time he thinks he's going to, I feel every single time he thinks he's going to get out of it. Like he thinks this is going to be the last one and then he can just go and make another Transformers movie or whatever. But every time people are like, well, this is like every, every time he, I think he expects people to go, oh yeah, he is an artist. Now let's let him do an art movie and then he'll do a couple of art movies like indies

or whatever. And then he'd be like, oh, he's a great actor, isn't't he and then he'll just do some more blockbusters i think that's how he thinks it's gonna go but every time we all just go what an idiot yeah and then he has to do another stunt let's do another thing does that not amuse you so okay so okay if it turns out that he's actually trapped in some kind of web of idiocracy of his own making, then yes. He's kind of in a phantom zone of idiocy. Yes. Like a weird hell dimension. Then yeah.

I'm all for that. So basically this week though, he watched all of his movies three days in a row and you could come in and watch him or you could watch the video of him because there was a live stream. But you know, so he watched all his own movies. That's great. Even when he's only in like one scene? Yeah, I don't know.

Okay, good. Great. Good on ya. Yeah. You dickhead. I do like that idea that he's trapped in a hell of his own. Yeah, it's good, right? This is from whythekid__dc.

Do you think it's possible for Marvel and Warner Brothers to strike a deal and make a crossover movie in the near future? I don't think it'll work in what way because they're too different oh boy would you like to see that uh eventually sure just be like the universes have collided that's all they need to say that's pretty good let's just yeah somebody else that i don't know i don't think i don't think they would do it i think the merchandise rights would be too tricky. Okay.

Sure. There'd be like Marvel versus DC merchandise. Would it be all under the one banner? Yep. You know, and then would, would Marvel only get money if they sold an Iron Man figure and DC only get money if they sold a Batman figure or,

you know, that would, I would kind of like to see it to see like they release a whole bunch of Marvel DC figures and see what gets unsold at the end right right like is there 10 million unsold aquaman figures or whatever that'd be pretty good yeah yeah i don't know i think there's too many i think there's already too many marvel there's already too many marvel and dc storylines that we need to get put on right put into the movies yeah and. And the company-wide crossovers are always, they've always shoehorned in some weird storyline.

Yeah. There's always some being that wants to merge the universes to, I don't know. Whatever the plot of Mortal Kombat versus DC is. Yes, exactly. It's that. Now, look, I don't think they'd do it. I think when they eventually, if people get sick of these, then yeah, they'd do it. I think... I think when they eventually...

If people get sick of these, then they'll probably just... And both sides are doing poorly. Yeah, okay. Then maybe they'll do it. Yeah. I reckon they might do like a charity short

or something like that. Okay, sure, yeah. Like you'd get... Because you'll do like a comic relief, David Tennant, Doctor Who met Peter Davison, Doctor Who kind of thing and it was funny. Yeah, absolutely. I, you'll do like a, like a comic relief, you know, David Tennant, Dr. Who met Peter Davison, Dr. Who kind of thing. And it was funny for,

yeah, yeah, absolutely. I enjoyed, I enjoyed a little thing like that. Maybe, you know, worlds collide and Iron Man meets Batman and they have a conversation about how they're

both rich. Yep. Sure. Yeah. They donate money to charity or whatever. Correct. You know what I'm talking about? I understand.

I'd say that, but I don't, I don't want to say either of them could give, like use their actual name, like the characters that it's just Robert Downey Jr. And Ben Affleck. I neither of them could use their actual names, like the characters' names. So it's just Robert Downey Jr. and Ben Affleck. We're both pretty rich, aren't we? Yeah.

Oh, it's just them talking. Yeah, that's right, exactly. So you can interpret that whatever you want. Look, I think it'd be a nightmare to get it. I mean, given that Marvel cannot... Given that it's been a decades-long battle to get their own characters back, to get the X-Men back, to get the Fantastic Four back, Spider-Man back.

Yeah. I don't think they want to start doing this. Okay. I think if they did, like I said, if they were going to do it, it'll be like a tiny scale thing for a good cause or something. And there are too many, I think there are too many separate good stories. Like you want to see, you want to see the Red Hood. You want to see Court of Owls.

Like you said, you want to see all these ones. You want to see Infinity War. You want to see all the, all the excellent Marvel and DC stories. There's never been a good crossover. No, I guess you're right. Justice League. Batman Daredevil was pretty good. Yeah, it's pretty good.

Yeah. I mean, I mean like a, like a huge scale one. Like a, like a Justice League Avengers crossover. They're never good. That Amalgam Comics thing was enjoyable, but how are they going to do that on screen? They're going to do Dark Claw, the Wolverine Batman hybrid. Exactly.

Man, if you haven't read that though, Adventures of Dark Claw, which is the Batman animated series version of Wolverine and Batman, is very good. Wait. It's the animated versions. No, they did. They did. So in. I know.

I know there's the comic, but is the comic based on the animated version? No, no. There was there was two Marvel versus DC like major crossovers. Yeah. And at the end of each one, they became amalgam comics. And there was, you know and there was Iron Lantern, which was a crossover between Iron Man and Green Lantern, etc. And the first time they did the crossover,

they just did Dark Claw, which was this extreme 90s amalgamation of Batman and Wolverine. But the second time they did the crossover, they did Adventures of Dark Claw, which was in the style of like the bruce tim oh okay animated series i know that yeah it's pretty good it's my fave good that's good i'm glad you enjoyed it me too okay last letter hey dickheads i spent the whole i spent a whole history lecture at uni on friday debating on which prequel trilogy was worse the hobbit or the star wars prequels i was

wondering if you guys could give me your opinions. Thanks, guys. Enjoy the podcast. Keep up the good work, you bloody Aussies. Mark from Nottingham, the UK, the official salacious B-crumb of the podcast. Ooh. Okay. You haven't seen all the Hobbit prequels. No, but they're better.

Okay, look. They are. Also, he's from Nottingham. Yes, he is. Maybe he's the sheriff of Nottingham. But I couldn't sit through the hobbit trilogy again okay they're better but you could sit through the star wars prequel trilogy again if i had to yes because they're shorter and i like the star wars universe more than i like i like the lord

of the rings universe i don't like anything to do with the Hobbit. Dragon's pretty good. Okay. But I couldn't. It's like 15 hours. Couldn't do it. Couldn't do it? Like just the thought of it makes me tired. Wow. So The Hobbit, they're better films. They're better written.

They have better effects. They have better CGI characters. Better director. But no. They're extraordinarily long. They're so long. Okay,arily long. It's so long. Okay, all right. It's so long.

Again, we agree to disagree. You haven't seen them. Correct. If you bloody had the shotgun Three Hobbit movies, I'd like to see what you think after you've watched them all. But you probably never will. I think I'd probably enjoy one and two, and then I'd get to three and go, oh, I've seen this.

I have to sit here for three hours I bet you wouldn't enjoy it I wouldn't enjoy it there's a 15 minute dishwashing song at the first one it's not 15 minutes but it feels like it

alright that's the show for this week yay we did it where can people find us they can find us at weekly planet pod on Facebook

and Twitter and Gmail and Bandcamp where we've got our audio commentaries for movies and maybe we'll do the Return of the Jedi one this week like we said that we would.

Yeah. But maybe we won't. Maybe we'll say a lot of things. It's hard to say anything, isn't it? Yep. Especially while watching a movie. Definitely. Yeah.

Now, last week, remember I had that catchphrase that was get laid, have Gatorade or whatever? That you were tricked into saying, yeah. Yeah, I was tricked into saying it, it turns out. I'm easily tricked. I mean, everybody knows that. But so that catchphrase belongs to a much more successful YouTuber. John Cena.

Yes, that's right. And so I guess, you know, I feel betrayed, obviously. So I guess I won't be accepting any more catchphrases. Or I will. We'll see, won't we? Or at least I'll be double checking. Nah, just wing it I'm at Wikipedia Brown

on Twitter I'm at Mr Sunday Movies is that everything we've plugged enough stuff yeah what do you think of either Hunger Games or Doctor Who

let us know and maybe we'll read out something if I can do it I'm looking forward to seeing Philip Seymour Hoffman again

me too yeah and other people in that Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah, she's great. One of the Zac Efron brothers. No, Hemsworth brothers. Sure.

Any of those cats. A great note to end on, I feel. Thanks, everybody. Thanks. Grab a data jam, everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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