The Weekly Planet - 118 Rey a Mary Sue, Cloverfield 2 & New Han Solo...too

Episode Date: January 18, 2016

We finally settle a long standing debate! Is Rey a Mary Sue? Well, we don't really settle it, we just talk about it for a bit as well as other potential Mary Sue's in the Star Wars Universe and other franchises.Plus we talk a bold (and potential stolen from Mason!) Deadpool marketing campaign, new Batman V Superman footage, Amber Herd Aquaman casting, Ten Cloverfield Lane, Oscar nominations, the shortlist for Han Solo and the tragic loss of two artistic greats!2:18 Intro3:27 David Bowie and Alan Rickman’s Death6:24 Deadpool8:26 Ten Cloverfield Lane (shame)12:12 Jamie Fox in Robin Hood Origins14:42 Batman V Superman New Footage & Soundtrack17:52 Oscar Nominations20:32 Amber Herd has apparently been cast as Mera21:20 Ryan Coogler directing Black Panther22:47 X-Files Revival Reviews23:45 Han Solo Casting30:16 What Is A Mary Sue?32:05 Mary Sue Origins36:10 Characteristics Of A Mary Sue40:53 Bella Swan42:31 Anastasia Steele43:12 Luke Skywalker & Han Solo47:49 John McLane49:02 Batman52:21 Birds Of Prey52:03 Harry Potter54:40 Doctor Who & Sherlock58:16 Neo59:56 Rey1:07:43 Christopher Maverick Mary Sue Article http://goo.gl/uL6mkY1:10:37 Rey Skywalker?1:13:00 What We Reading/What We Gonna ReadRebel Scum Link https://goo.gl/y6T3WL1:20:55 Letters It’s Time For Letters#weeklyplanetpodBuy Star Wars Movies on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2nc12P4Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesMr Sunday Movies YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/lB90W2The Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind out T-Shirts here: https://goo.gl/q6gE9C  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet, official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com where we talk movies, comics, TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday. With me as always my co-host, Nicholas Mindmonster. Nicholas Mindmonster. That's me speaking of horrible mind monsters last week i talked about on new year's i i ran into a guy like in the in the summer heat dressed in like dirty hessian sack yes wielding flaming chains i saw that fact that fan art yeah which is great

um matt goulay sent me some great fan art really good about that but quick update nobody knows who that character is supposed to be I've got I assumed it'd be like Silent Hill character or Resident Evil

nobody has any idea weird so maybe it's just in my mind or it's just a guy maybe it's just a guy who's like

I'm gonna debut my brand new all original cosplay character on the streets and now he's in jail and now he's in jail but almost certainly well look Debut my brand new all original cosplay character on the streets. And now he's in jail. And now he's in jail.

But almost certainly. Well, look, that was a terrifying and sad event for you. Yes. And there's been a few of those this week, unfortunately. David Bowie. Oh, we're good at links this week. I'm not happy about it. No.

David Bowie passed away at 69 after an 18 month battle with cancer. I didn't even know he had cancer. Yeah. Well, most people didn't. So that's, I mean, that guy just list of achievements just go on for decades and just. Yeah. The amazing stuff he's done in like in movies and film and just in his personal life. And he just seems like a pretty funny guy as well. Yeah, totally.

Yeah. There's a lot, there's a, there's more than one story of like, I read one recently where he got into a lift like in hollywood and somebody was like oh my god like with his producer or whatever and some woman's come up to him he's like oh my god i love you and he's like oh thank you so much and she's like you're on general hospital you're so good at that he's like oh thank you for tuning in i'm so it makes me so happy that people are tuning in oh bless you so he didn't get upset that's amazing yeah your album's great too yeah

no i've only heard that one song um that broke records as well like it got like 51 million views in a very short amount of time or whatever so and isn't that amazing like it obviously teed it up to coincide with his passing yeah and you know what he's been in he's he's had some of the best parts in some of the movies that I am ambivalent towards. That is very true. The Prestige. My least favorite Nolan film. He's great as Nikola Tesla.

He really is. I want to talk about that later because I re-watched it this week. Yeah, absolutely. Obviously, people are fans of The Labyrinth. He's great in Extras as well. Little Fat Man. Yeah. So, just a massive loss.

And, you know, 69, it's not very old. Best number to go out at, though. That's true. Am I right? I'm tough. We fake high five, then. We're too far away for a real high five. That's right.

But, yeah, what a legend. I'm sad for his passing. And also, you've got to feel for his family as well. I mean, people pass away all the time. I know that. You know, his son's... Duncan Jones. Duncan Jones, we talked about last week.

He's doing Warcraft. He's gone off Twitter, obviously, or social media. Yeah, so thoughts, prayers, feelings, whatever you believe in, you know, go out to all those people. And speaking of Alan Rickman as well. Yeah. Didn't know he was sick either. No.

Son of a bitch. Damn it, Rickman. Come on, guys. Yeah, so also seems like a genuinely nice guy. Yep. Amazing roles. You know, his first role was Die Hard. Yeah, his first feature film role.

We just, I guess you could just do that in the 80s. That's right, exactly. And he bloody knocked it out of the park as well. Yeah. Yeah, unbelievable. Obviously, he's got a love for the people who love the Harry Potter franchise, you know, obviously have a love for him, but all the other kind of work that he's done. Love Actually. He's amazing in that as the cheating scumbag husband.

Yep. But he's really great in it. And I just, he was the kind of guy as well where he really enjoyed the work that he did and he kind of had a real affinity for the fans and he kind of, it's, yeah. I don't know what I'm trying to say. He just seemed like a nice guy.

Yeah, it is. Yeah. Great. Man, they're two people I don't know what I'm trying to say. He just seemed like a nice guy. Yeah, it's a shame. It is, yeah. Great. Man, they're two people I wouldn't have put in my celebrity Deadpool. Speaking of, best link we've ever done. We're bringing it back. We're bringing it back to hilarity. We certainly are.

Deadpool posters. Oh, yeah. I was going to say, once again, they've ramped up the marketing push on Deadpool. They've yet to do something that I'm like, this is bad, you've lost this. This week, I guess they've purchased a billboard in LA or in Hollywood or what have you, and they just keep switching it up. This week, they mocked it up so it looked like a romantic comedy, or like a tragic, poignant romantic story kind of thing with yeah ryan reynolds marina backer and deadpool uh love never dies or something like that and look we've talked about this in the show i'm not saying they stole my idea but they definitely did no they didn't i very much like

the idea of tricking a whole bunch of people into seeing a movie that is not the genre yes or like the content or the tone they're expecting that's right i've always wanted to produce produce like a trailer for a film it you think it's going to go one way you get in the cinema your expectations have been have been completely mad about it yeah and look if this tricks even one person i'm happy absolutely i feel like every movie tricks at least one person though though. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, you get someone coming into a matinee, they don't know what they're looking for,

and they pick, I don't know, I'm trying to think of a good example, Kingsman. Sure, yeah. And they're like, oh, Colin Firth. Looks like a Colin Firth, yeah, he's in a suit, he looks delightful. Oh, this is going to be about the personal life of the PM. That's right, yeah. He's going to know the Prime Minister.

Oh, he's going to have a tough time balancing his love and his etc. And then, oh, he just killed all those people in that church. That's right. Exactly. Yeah, that's a good one. Absolutely. I showed a girl this week that post. I'm like, would you see this?

What do you think of that? She's like, yeah, that looks good. And then I'm like, what's the trailer? And I'm like, would you see it now? And she was like, it looks very unpleasant. I'm looking forward to it though. Yeah, me too. Are you looking forward to 10 Cloverfield Street in a few months?

10 Cloverfield Lane. I apologize. I've written street here. Wow. And now I've, I don't know. Should I quit podcasting? Yeah, you should quit podcasting, yeah. Put a highlight over it and just write shame.

Podcasting, yeah. Put a highlight over it and just write shame. JJ Abrams described it as like a blood successor to the original Cloverfields. Set in the same universe. Is it? Apparently. I don't know. Yeah, okay. That's what I assumed.

I didn't get any indication of that at all. See, my understanding was the monsters or monster had taken over, and so they're in a bunker. That was my understanding of it. And there's also, that monster also carries a virus. Is that right? Because didn't someone's head explode?

Okay, so in the original Cloverfield... Look, I'm not going to lie, I didn't love the original Cloverfield. I kind of did. Yeah. In the original, it's got like... Did I? Maybe you did.

I don't know. You know, last week we talked about, a couple of weeks ago, we talked about, you know, all the stuff we really enjoyed last year yeah and i was like you know what i really enjoyed man from uncle that was it was a good fun it was great now that i think about it went back and re-watched it couldn't finish it i'm like oh no this is dragging me down this film so look look expect our reviews of stuff to change certainly yeah yeah Yeah, yeah. You know, I really did enjoy it. And I'm like, well, obviously you can't do the found footage again. No.

That was originally going to be, all the talk when they did the sequel was like, oh, what if there was another person with a camera and they would follow their adventures or whatever. But I'm like, it's just going to be the same. Yeah, exactly. It's going to be pretty much the same, same outcome kind of thing. Can you get John Goodman in a bunker? That was the next.

Yeah, exactly. Can you just film John Goodman in his regular bunker as i understand it in this the premise is that mary elizabeth winstead's character yeah wakes up like she's been in a car accident or something like that and she wakes up in this bunker and then john goodman's character's like you can't go out there because there's been some sort of outbreak. Right. And it's mostly like her going like, is that true? Whereas he, he just can't try and. So she wakes up in the bunker.

Yeah. And she, and she's like. Who's the guy? Who's the other guy? I don't know who that other guy is. It looks like Wes Bentley. It's probably not though. We could look it up, but why would we?

How could we? How could we? There's no way to do it. But yeah, I think most of it is set in the bunker and it's kind of a case of is there anything really happening

yeah sure or is this just a ploy to keep her in this bunker for nefarious reasons kind of thing but who's cutting her hair

how long she's been in that bunker for people are saying is that the same character from the first one Lizzie Kaplan who dies no no different characters the same character from the first one, Lizzie Kaplan, who dies? No.

No. Different characters. And she died in the first one. Correct. Unless it's a prequel, but that would make no sense or all the sense. No, it wouldn't make any sense. Are you looking forward to it, though? That's the key to all of this.

Yeah, kind of. But I don't think there's any connection to the original Cloverfield at all. Really? Yeah. So you think it could be like an anthology film look at the yeah maybe yeah because when i initially watched the trailer i'm like you know he's like don't go out there don't go out there my assumption was that this is like this is a set a year you know a couple of years in the future where the cloverfield monster has destroyed everything yeah like the whole world kind of thing and it just kind of, she doesn't remember for whatever reason.

But I think I'm more inclined, having watched the whole thing, I'm more inclined to think it's this, just this kind of small locked room. I definitely think it is. I don't think there's going to be a lot of stuff out of the bunker. Hmm. Hmm. Isn't it? It's amazing they pulled this off though.

I mean, not really. I guess they could have just, it's not like making a secret Star Wars movie. Right. It's like everybody knew they were making this movie, but then they were like then they were like PS it's a Cloverfield movie I guess yeah so you know it's it's it's still an amazing achievement that they kept that under wraps yeah hmm we're looking forward to it probably aren't we yes are you looking forward to Jamie Foxx in being cast or has been cast as Little John in Robin Hood origins oranges yeah none of. None of that fitted together, did it?

Not at all. But I think from context, people picked up. Robin Hood Origins. Yes. Why are they calling it that for one? We just had a Robin Hood Origins movie with Russell Crowe. It's called Robin Hood, yep. Who's Robin Hood in this, Queener?

Was it just called Hood? Yeah, Taron Egerton. I think it was called Robin. It was Ridley Scott. It was garbage. Though, Oscar Isaac is in it. Remember there was going to be a version of that where... Because that's in pre-fame.

Yes. To us anyway. To us, yes. That movie was originally... Russell Crowe was going to play the sheriff and Robin Hood. That's correct, yeah. Some weird twist. I don't know.

It doesn't matter. Jamie Foxx is Little John, though. So there you go. In this new film. If I remembered more about which one Little John was, I'd be thrilled or ambivalent. Isn't he the giant one with the stick? That's Fry Tuck.

I don't believe that's true. Fry Tuck's got a stick. He fights Robin Hood on like a log. Yeah, Little John fights him on the log. Fry Tuck doesn't have a stick. He's just a bald guy. What is this? I've got pictures of him and he't have a stick. He's just a bald guy. Why are we... What is this?

I've got pictures of him and he's holding a stick in all these pictures. Oh! He's also a bear. That's right. He's also a bear. I think that's an underrated Disney movie, actually, that one. The Robin Hood one. The voice of Robin Hood just died as well.

What? The voice of... Yeah, the anime The Fox. He just died as well. What the fuck is happening? I know! And bloody Motorhead guy died. Motorhead died. well. What the fuck is happening? I know. And bloody Motorhead guy died. Motorhead died.

All these people I assumed would live forever. Let me especially. Yeah. Because he's just... How old was he? 71? Yeah. Because he's just powered by tequila and bourbon all day.

Absolutely is. He was born in 45. So yeah, 71-ish. I don't know, man. We don't know. I'm not a bloody scientist, am I? No. Yeah.

Do you care about Robin Hood? Maybe now if Jamie Foxx is in it. Sure. Yeah. I mean, he made Stealth. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I've never seen that one. But he's also made some good films.

That's true. He's got some skills, man. I don't doubt it. Speaking of... What about Tom Cruise? Where's the... The assassin? Vanilla Sky.

No! Assassin Taxi. Yeah, Assassin Taxi.? Vanilla Sky. No! The assassin taxi. Yeah, assassin taxi. No, no, no. Collateral. Crazy taxi. Yeah. Collateral, where Jason Statham turns up as the transporter.

That's right. Set in the same universe. Weird. Yeah. Also set in the Cloverfield universe. Oh. True. Tom Cruise.

He couldn't find the... He probably could. We'll see about... Anyway, it doesn't matter. Batman v Superman. New TV spots this week. Little clips, yeah. They didn't spoil much, did they? Which was good.

No, but we kind of... They kind of did, though. You don't want to see it? I kind of made you watch it before we started. Yeah, look, the spoiler for me here is that my... Based on the other... Spoilers. Spoilers, not spoilers.

We're all just guessing here. Sure. But from the previous ones, I assumed there was going to be, we see Superman crash the Batmobile. Yes. And he rips the doors off and then there's like... A punch. There's a punch on.

Yeah. Or no, there's a standoff between the two and Superman's going to be like, I'm going to take you in, Batman, and then Wonder Woman intervenes. That was always my assumption. But in this, he just flies off. He's like, I'll give you this one.

I'm off. Yeah, and Batman makes a very thinly veiled threat. Not even thinly veiled. It's just a threat, isn't it? Yeah. Do you reckon he knows Superman could hear that? Yeah. Yeah, he probably would, wouldn't he?

Good voice modulator. You happy with it? Yeah, a lot of people are. Good work. It's only taken a decade. Don't you think, though, it'll get to a point in a few years

where people are like, hate that? Nope. You don't reckon? I'm fine with it. It's fine. No, I like it also. I do kind of wish

he always had the white eyes. Batman. I kind of wish that, but we can't have everything. Can't have everything, can we, no? Don't have the budget. Don't have the budget

for white eyes. It will turn up when he wears the mech suit. They also released the soundtrack. Right. Oh, and it's got all the titles on it. Yeah, look, and it's... I read it and I'm like... Superman and the Batman team up at the end of Fidoomsday.

Yeah, look, it's not as explicit as that, but it's like, why would you... Like, Star Wars didn't release their soundtrack until after. They didn't release the book. I don't even think they've released a physical copy of it yet you could just get it digitally on the day and that was and that was it and the same with the soundtrack or something i don't know so i don't know what they're doing look i'm hope i'm hope i'm for a surprise there's rumors of bizarro now and all sorts of other stuff and and i saw that there was a video and it's like you'll never guess the secret villain and i'm like like... Was it one of my videos? No, don't watch those.

And it was Bizarro, right? So Doomsday is Bizarro? It's like a combination? Okay, right. I don't watch it either. Although I did watch your video recently. Thank you. On the top five things you're annoyed at in the cinema.

Pretty good. Thank you. Well, you know what I found out? Someone posted it to me. Maddox. You know Maddox? I know Maddox. He did a video about three years ago, and his first point is exactly my first point.

And I'm like, God damn it. So maybe I saw that and copied it. I didn't even know he had a YouTube channel, or maybe we're both just angry. I don't think there's only one person in the world that wants other people to shut up. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah.

I like that guy. I'm glad he's got a YouTube channel. I'm going to check him out. That being said, I have seen you text in the cinema. I've bloody seen you do it. I know, right? I've bloody seen you do it. You're taking notes or something.

I don't know what you're doing. You're a monster. I do. But to be fair, I don't care. Yeah, that's a good point. So, folks, if you're watching that video and you're like, should I apply any of these rules to my own life? You can if you care, but if you don't care, don't worry about it. That's right.

Do whatever you want. It depends what I'm in. Often they take your phone, some of the stuff we go into. Yeah. Speaking of movies, that's this, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Oscars, question mark? Oh, yeah.

Sure. Mad Max got nominated for Best Picture. That's all I care about. And they have like 10 nominees now? I don't know. I'm going to look real quick just for the Oscar nominees. Sure. Mad Max got nominated for Best Picture. Uh-huh. That's all I care about. And they have like 10 nominees now? I don't know. I'm going to look real quick just for the Oscar nominees. Absolutely. I'm going to do the most research we've ever done.

Oh, yeah, 12 nominations for The Revenant, which I haven't seen yet. No, me neither. But apparently it's real brutal. Because of the bear attack? Mostly because of the bear attack, yeah. Yeah. This one just says Johnny Depp snubbed. Did he do anything this year?

No, he was Whitey Bulger. Oh, in Black Mask? Yeah. Okay, right. I think the makeup kind of threw people. Yeah. Because he doesn't look like a real person. Everybody else looks like a person and he looks like a dude wearing makeup.

He looks like a Thunderbird. Yeah, pretty much. Okay, Best Picture nominees. The Big Short. Yeah, I've seen that. I heard it's great. It's good, yeah. Bridge of Spies. I haven't seen it. Don't give a shit. Yeah, pretty much. Okay, best picture nominees. The Big Short. Yeah, I've seen that. I heard it's great. It's good, yeah. Bridge of Spies.

Haven't seen it. Don't give a shit. No one saw that. Brooklyn. I don't know. No idea what that is. No idea what that is. Mad Max Fury Road.

Great. That's it, but it won't win. Won't win. The Martian, which also- I don't think it should win. I liked it. At the Golden Globes this year, it took away best comedy or musical. It did, didn't it?

So good. What a farce that whole thing is. It did, didn't it? So good. What a farce that whole thing is. It's just the Hollywood Foreign Press Association is just a whole bunch of people who wanted to meet celebrities. So they nominate the people that they want to meet at the red carpet or in the after party or whatever. Or the pre-drinks, I don't know. Or just walk up to them during the ceremony and just say, hey, I like your thing. And you know it's only like 50 or 60 people or something? Really?

Like it's not like the Oscar, which is like thousands presumably. I don't know how any of this works. So it's just like, yeah, like you said, it's just a group of guys, presumably guys. Right. We're just like, yeah, I'd love to meet you. And then they're like, well, we'd like to meet Matt Damon, but we used up all the other categories.

So comedy and musical? I mean, it's funny. It's funnier than a lot of comedies. Yeah. It wasn't Ridley Scott like, I guess this is a comedy when he took the award. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. So that's pretty good.

The Revenant, Air Attack, Room. Not The Room. Yeah, Room. That's the one with with what's her name she's great she's in 21 Jump Street but that's not all she's known for

it's about like a woman who's trapped in a in a room for years yeah yeah who's what's her name Brie Larson Brie Larson

there you go and Spotlight never heard of it that's the Catholic the sexual allegations in the Catholic Church movie with Mark Ruffalo and a bunch of other people. Apparently it's really, really good. Okay. So there you go.

All those seem like perfectly fine movies, don't they? Sure, yeah. Yeah. All the ones that I've seen were great. Who cares? Amber Heard has apparently been cast as Mira. Mira? Mera. In Aquaman. In Aquaman. Mera. Mera. You know what? The whole

bloody franchise, it's so hard to pronounce Aquaman Aquaman I said Aquaman as a kid We I mean it is That's how Americans say it

Yeah With American-ish accents Yeah Aquaman Aquaman Or Aquaman Aquaman But I can't say it

I say Aqua Aquaman Because we say Aqua here Like Aquaduct Sure Or Aquaduct Aququarium Aququarium Go down. Aququarium.

Aququarium. Go down the aququarium. Have a good old time. She's a good fit. Yep. Great. Why not? Pretty good.

I'm looking forward to that one a lot. I think James Wan's doing it. Maybe he isn't. Doesn't matter. Next bit of news. We'll never see it. We'll see it in five years. Ryan Coogler, who directed Creed. Yes, he did.

He's doing Black Panther. He didn't get any nominations for bloody Creed. That seems ridiculous. I think Stallone got a nomination. Yeah. Somebody was like, in your face. To you, specifically. In a way, in your face. Because constantly I talk about how I don't really like Stallone. Because he's your arch nemesis for some reason. In a way, I guess he is. I don't know.

I've got to get back to why I don't like him. Because I feel like I've lost why that that's the case. You've given up hate. Yeah. You want to regain some hate for him. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. That being said, he's really good in Crees.

Yeah, he is. And he deserves that nomination. You said before that he's the one, him as Rocky is the one role where you don't just see him as Sylvester Stallone. Exactly. Collecting a paycheck. Wearing a beret or whatever the fuck he does these days. So great.

Yeah. Ryan Coogler's a great choice for that. What I love about this, this bodes really well for Marvel. I think ever since this Ike Perlmutter thing kind of split and the story group was kind of disbanded and directors now will hopefully have more autonomy in terms of what they want to make. And then you won't get something like a thor the dark world with alan taylor who also made terminated genesis oh yeah so it's like and i don't hate thor the dark world

it's it's fun it's not perfect but this guy's got like a vision and a style and a voice and this is what i want to say i want to say stuff like that i don't want to say like i guess we'll just get the guy who did an x-Files episode in the 90s or whatever the hell. You know what I mean? That sounds great though. Boy, does it. The reviews are actually in for the first episode of the X-Files.

Is it out yet? No. Can we get a copy of it somehow? I haven't checked. By watching it on television in a couple of months when it actually comes out? That's what we got. Yeah.

That's our level of connection. I've heard it's like... Oh. You're doing the handy wave motion that indicates it's just okay. mean what do people expect i mean it didn't end on a high it's had one mediocre movie since that nobody saw where a guy who maybe was billy connelly probably not sewed a dog to another dog no it was billy connelly but i think he was a priest or something like he wasn't the guy so billy connelly playing a priest yes but he wasn't sewing dogs to other dogs or whatever was he billy connelly yeah in that movie the comedian yes he's not the best

of my knowledge he's never sewn a dog to another dog no i'm not on stage no certainly not um he used to do those world tour like documentaries maybe he sewed some dogs to some other dogs during those documentaries i didn't watch them all yeah it wouldn't put it past him uh so there's also han solo casting news oh yes we got a short list who's who's made the short list though oh okay so there's these are just the names that have been revealed okay but by disney i know a very reliable source apparently who cares yeah look oh i care it's just a story we have to talk about. All right, fine, because we get these every week. It's like, who would you want as Han Solo?

Somebody said that it's this guy, a very reliable source. Fine, I'll look it up. Is it you? Is it you? I wish. No, I could never do that. I don't need to know. It's fine.

All right, good. Just trust me. It's probably legit. Who cares? Okay. First one, Emori Cohen. All right, good. Just trust me. It's probably legit. Who cares? Okay. First one. Emory Cohen. He's in Brooklyn.

That movie that's nominated. We don't know. Great. Scott Eastwood. Clint Eastwood's brother? Older brother? Older brother. Let me check.

He's in The Longest Ride, which is one of those Nicholas Sparks like, we're from different worlds. You ride a horse and I'm a whatever. I am a horse. Exactly. ride which is one of those nicola sparks like we're different from different worlds you ride a horse and i'm a whatever i am a horse exactly there's a class divide exactly and also a species divide how am i talking i'm a horse oh he's tapping his feet in morse code oh sorry his parents are clint eastwood so one of his parents. Both his parents are Clint Eastwood. Wow. Genetic. Wow.

Hollywood nepotism has gone mad. It certainly has. They're just getting all of Clint Eastwood's genetic material and building another Clint Eastwood.

My understanding is that Clint Eastwood is like an oak tree and then like a nut falls and that grows into a miniature version of Clint Eastwood. He's so withered

and sturdy. I don't understand him. Ansel Elgort from The Fault in Our Stars. Here you go. You know this one. Dave Franco. Yeah, okay, good. All right.

He's a soft baby face man. Yeah, yeah. How old is that guy? I like Dave Franco, but I don't know if I see that at all. Scott Eastwood. He's got that look. I reckon it's going to be Scott Eastwood. All right.

Blake Jenner. I mean, I've not seen him in anything. He was in Fury, the tank movie. I haven't seen it. No, I have seen it. He's got that look. I reckon it's going to be Scott Eastwood. All right. Blake Jenner. I mean, I've not seen him in anything. He was in Fury, the tank movie. I haven't seen it. No, I have seen it. It's fine. He's in Suicide Squad. Who's in Suicide Squad?

Doesn't say. Do you know Blake Jenner? But I'm taking this casting information from the same place you've gotten these rumors. He's in Gran Torino. Gran Torino. Yeah. Now, Blake Jenner. Do you know him? Look, I'm going to say if he's in Suicide Torino. Yeah. Now, Blake Jenner. Do you know him?

Look, I'm going to say if he's in Suicide Squad. You're ignoring the name Blake Jenner. Is he related to the Kardashians? No, I don't know. Okay. I don't know who he is. He's in Everybody Wants Some. Anyway, sorry.

What were you saying? I was going to say, if he's in Suicide Squad and that goes well, I reckon there's enough juice there that they'll be like, look at him in this. He's great. Put him in. Put him in. Make him on solo. Gotcha. Gotcha. Blake Jen in. Put him in. Make him on solo. Gotcha.

Blake Jenner was in Glee and everybody wants some. That's him. He's got the air for it. Oh, yeah. Okay. I don't know anything about him. What else we got? Logan Lerman.

Fury, again. Who are these? You know, Percy Jackson. What are these names? Percy Jackson. Logan Lerman and sclerphal derple Eastwood. What are you? The other people you said.

It doesn't matter. They're ridiculous. You know this one. Jack Rador. He's the Irish guy Transformers, the last one. Oh, yeah. That killed all those people for no reason. Did he?

Oh, yeah. He kills all the CIA agents. Yeah. Yeah, he does. No, I don't like that. That's bad. You won't like this one either. Miles Teller.

No, that's... No. He used up all his... He's used up all his goodwill. He used up all his bloody whiplash goodwill. Yep. Used up whatever else the other movie he was in. Probably just that.

I don't know. Yeah. I like him as an actor, but he's not Han Solo. No. I mean, none of these... This isn't going to probably end well, whoever they cast. But you know what?

The movie will come out and it will probably be fine and everyone will adjust and, and whatever, but I still don't know why they're making this and it will probably be great. What's his face? Who? From Hook or Pan or whatever it was.

Robin Williams. No, the guy from Pan. Garrett Hedlund. Yes. No, he sucks. Really?

He, in Pan. Yes. No, but he's doing it. He's doing a Han Solo impression. Exactly. Yeah.

And I like that. I like him. I don't care what you think. He's great in Tron Legacy. By great, I mean he was a fine backdrop for all the CGI. Look, all these guys, I don't... It'll be fine. Yeah.

Whatever. I mean... Do you think that if every scene they switched one actor out for another one, that anyone would notice? No. I would not notice. No. So this is apparently going to so this is apparently gonna be slightly puzzled through the whole film and i'm like something i can't quite put my finger on i knew that guy's name is it a different blaster sound if they change the blaster sound for the this movie because i don't know and then the credits

will be like i'm like oh it's 10 different actors it makes Solo. It makes perfect sense. I like that Bob Dylan film. Absolutely, yeah. Oh, they could get Cate Blanchett for one scene. She could probably do it. Probably do it. She's got some skills, good skills. She's apparently in a very good movie called Carol. I haven't seen it.

Exactly. She's good in everything. You can't go wrong with her. She's great. Han Solo. Cate Blanchett for Han Solo. Is she on Twitter? Let's get her up on this.

Absolutely. Yeah, look, they want to get the Han Solo locked in. The rumor is that he's going to be in. Before filming. Yes. You're going to lock it in before filming. You want him there, day one. That's right.

Preferably the day before so he can read the script. Maybe try on a vest or whatever. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I want vest origins. That's what I want. Yeah, do you think they'll put him in the Greedo scene where he goes, I think they might might i would love it if they did uh but yeah so they want him for rogue one maybe for like a scene and then be like hey everybody you guys okay with this because it's not when we use

ten head solos in the next right it'll be like the rogue one the squad will be flying through space yeah and they'll like accidentally scoot past the Millennium Falcon and it'll cut to whoever it is with Chewie going get out of my parsecs

you lousy space scum or whatever and then they'll just be like the test audience and they'll just see if they all just go

boo boo no I don't like you know what they could do back of his head? Yeah, maybe back. But they could just, in different cinemas, test run each of the actors.

Absolutely, yeah. And see where the boos are the loudest. And go with that. Go with the loudest boos. Yeah, yeah. Go with the most divisive. I think, look, whatever it is, you've got to cast somebody who's going to make it their own.

You can't do an impression unless you're Gary Hedlund. Sorry, Gary Hedlund. You're out, mate. Good luck with Pan 2. Yeah. Good luck with Pan 2 slightly closer to being Peter Pan, but it's not. But it's not, yeah. Maybe we've got room to squeeze in one more.

Yeah, that's it. Well, look, last week we said that we'd talk about a thing, didn't we, that we were going to talk about? We said we'd talk about a thing. In particular. We're riding high on Star wars fever we certainly are um mary sue's in fiction sure yeah i mean they can be in real life no no they can't i've already there's absolutely you're spiraling we're circling the drain i was talking to you before so what we want to basically talk about is define what a mary

sue is and then determine whether certain characters are or are not, whether they fit that certain mold. Because long story short, we've got the Star Wars The Force Awakens. We've got a whole bunch of new characters. And one specifically, people are focused in on Rey, played by Daisy Ridley. And people are like, she's a Mary Sue. And we're like, a lot of people probably don't know what that is. We should probably talk about it at Nolseum. Absolutely.

A lot of people probably don't know what that is. We should probably talk about it at Nausea. Absolutely. So I read a bunch of stuff and it's very confusing because not a lot of people seem to understand it. Yeah. Also, this was probably kicked off by screenwriter Max Landis. It was, yeah. Tweeting, oh, they've made a Star Wars movie

where the main character is a Mary Sue. Worst character ever. Shut up, Max Landis. You've ruined the character of Lex Luthor by existing. That's what you've done because bloody what's-his-face has based the character on you. Yeah. I don't know if people have heard that, but yeah, so yeah, Lex Luthor is apparently based quite heavily off Max Landis' real-life persona.

I'm hoping that Lex Luthor is like a mask. And the real one is a, yeah, better. Yeah, exactly. Is a better. Essentially. So, essentially uh so look how do you define a mary sue where did this start can we talk about let's talk about mary sue origins please right because nothing is better than a mary sue an origin story that's true look. Look, so you can probably hang on, I'll find the name of it. In like the mid-70s

there was like a Star Trek fan magazine. I think it was called Menagerie. Doesn't make any sense. Why do they call it that? Because, look, I don't, look,

I bloody, I bloody don't know. Why don't they call it like Trek Beat or something like that? Probably could have called it Trek Beat. And give me one second. Or Set Phases to Fun.

Oh, very good. Very good. Yeah, anyway, so... God, bloody hell. Hang on. I've got to find it because I've got to find it. I've forgotten the name of it. A Trekkie Tale.

Yeah. There we go. And it's like one page. It's like... It's very short. You can find a link to it. There's innumerable cases of people just putting it on the net, so you can just read it.

And essentially, it exists as a parody of fan fiction of the time, like Star Trek fan fiction. It's sort of a character called Mary Sue, who has always been the best at everything since she was a teenager, and she comes on board the Enterprise. And she's great at everything. And she out-Spocks Spock. Like, her logic is more ironclad than Spock's.

What? And she, like, ingratiates herself. Is she angrier than Spock? Because even though Spock's always like, I always keep control. But he loses it more than anybody on that ship. He does. He's real angry. He's a lunatic

he's a loose cannon yeah anyway sorry go on no but she can't because that's a negative trait so she basically has no negative traits and she sort of

ingratiates herself with the crew and they all love her and then she dies a tragic death because of course she is you have the hero sacrifice

yeah she's the hero sacrifice and she's too good for the world by the way spoilers for every movie and every character we bring out every movie

and every character we're going. Every movie and every character. We're going to do a lot of Force Awakens spoilers. Yes, exactly. Because we've been waiting a few weeks. We said last week we're just going to spoil it. We're going to talk about all the stuff that happens. I would be astounded if you haven't seen it by now. But if you haven't, give it a...

That's okay. Turn it off. That's fine. Ba-da-ba-doo. Ba-ba-doo. But that's also... That's extended beyond that at this point, hasn't it? Yeah, so Mary Sue has just sort of been shorthand.

Initially, it was shorthand for like just any kind of, you take a piece of fan fiction, you insert a thinly veiled version of yourself into it. Yes. And every character, and your character has no, like it amplifies all your good qualities and it erases all your negative qualities. Yes.

And all the characters in this universe love you and you become part of the team or the family right and you go on adventures with them and you know you become the love interest or what have you and or you're an offspring oh yeah exactly oh yeah yeah and anybody who doesn't like you is a bad person and is swept to the side kind of thing like that and it's there's heaps of fan fiction that isn't like that yeah this is sort of when there's bad fan fiction there can often be this kind of mary sue character and totally yeah do you read a lot of fan fiction no me neither yeah i've got a list of characteristics here oh i do i did read when the matrix was big i did read some fan fiction about a character

who was who was basically the trinity character right who inserted herself into the matrix universe who became like i'm trinity but i'm better than trinity and now neo you're not in love with trinity anymore you're in love with me kind of thing and trinity was sort of pushed off to the pushed off to the sidelines that's like a really good character solid great great work so yeah and it sort of evolved at this point to become sort of... People who were just good at everything. Yeah. But as... I feel like the definition is kind of...

Well, that's the thing about this thing. It's a bit vague at this point, isn't it? It's the goalposts have shifted. Yes. A lot. And it's kind of... Wait, what's a goalpost? Who's to say?

There's no way of knowing. You know what I mean? Sure. And it's lost the element of fan fiction. Yes. I mean, it's still there, but it's sort of become like you. And it's even been in people are like, well, it's characters even that are inserted into canon by the actual authors. Yes.

the actual authors yes or even characters who aren't necessarily in inserted their existing characters that a new author has come on board and tweaked them to make the very traits right okay yeah i've got a list of characteristics here which aren't necessarily definitive like you don't have to have all these characteristics but it's things that you might look for when spotting a mary sue in the wild as it were yes on a red forum. Sure. Or wherever you're tumbling. I don't know. Yeah. And I would also say that, straight up, number one, we're probably going to get the most letters.

Yep. We're going to get letters and complaints about this. Yeah, probably, yeah. We're going to get YouTube comments. Sweet. YTCs, that's what I call them. I'm in the industry, so. Yeah, you call them YTCs.

Very good. That's nice. I don't think it's a thing. Right, okay. I don't think it's a thing. Right. I don't. Yeah, yeah. You can have strong characters that have certain characteristics. Yes.

You can have characters that are likable. You can have characters that are fan favorites. They're not necessarily Mary Sues. No. I think it's a real broad brush that people paint on characters they don't like for reasons that we'll probably get into. Absolutely. Yeah.

So, yeah. Absolutely. So, this is just there this is not hard and fast sure as with all things some things are hard and fast certainly like a truck cars yeah trucks that's a better one they're the same a train yeah i feel that's probably harder than a truck uh but so yeah and look our opinions vary all the time and look we don't we don't want to enter into a debate with anybody

about it although people have tried I got sent a I got sent a a JPEG oh yeah and it was here's

it was a picture of Rey from the Force Awakens it was a picture of Luke Skywalker underneath it said here's all the reasons Rey is a Mary Sue here's all the reasons Luke isn't a Mary Sue

okay sure well we'll get into that and I replied with nothing yeah so characteristics okay man Luke isn't a Mary. Okay, sure. Well, we'll get into that. And I replied with nothing. Yeah. So, characteristics. Okay.

Friend of all, and all the characters love them for no reason. Okay, sure. We kind of talked about that. Incorruptible. Okay, sure. So, the major flaws, if they do have major flaws, aren't actually major flaws. So, it's like stubbornness or a bad temper but those things like end up helping yes exactly it's like when you go into a job interview and they're like what are your major what are your major flaws and you're like i'm a perfectionist sometimes i work too hard and i

don't know when to leave the office because i'm just working on on work for the company for so much that i'm here's the perfect answer for that yep look i'm aware that there's gaps in my knowledge but that's why i want to work for somebody like you and this company because i know that there's room for growth here and i'm definitely ready to step up for that give me the job idiot you've got the job thank you here's also a good here's an actual tip what no that's fine that's a real tip you can also say something that is a flaw but doesn't have much to do with the job you're. Oh, okay.

If you're looking for an accounting, I'm a murderer. Yes, precisely. But I'm not going to murder any of you guys because I'm too busy working hard. I'm worked. I work too hard. Now you say like,

if you're looking for like a, a job as an accountant, you say, I'm not very good at public speaking. Right. But I over, like I, I prepare lots of notes. Yes. Well, it's not really related to public speaking. Right. But I prepare lots of notes. Yes.

So you're like, well, it's not really related to my job. Why are we talking about this? Good question. Also, don't say you've got gaps in your knowledge. I just thought about that. It's a bad idea. Say you've got no gaps or no flaws. Yeah.

I'm a real Mary Sue. Anyway, give me this job at Subway. Just want to be normal. I'm the greatest sandwich artist in the world, and everyone loves me. Even though your bread's garbage. So they just want to be normal. They're like, why can't I be a normal kid or whatever? But I've got special powers.

I'm so special. Everybody tells me I'm special. Yeah. They're better at- Oh, I can think of one. What's her face from Twilight? Yeah, exactly. That's my first and last year.

They're better at other people at things for no reason. Yep. Can speak several languages fluidly. They have a fluently not fluidly i wasn't gonna say anything i've done way too much you talk talky policing this week i'm not gonna do anymore step up step off sorry they'll have like a step up yeah magical or like exotic accessory okay like that might be like a green lantern ring or a wand or an amulet. Right, yeah, like an amulet that's like, I've always had it since a child and it gives me special powers,

I don't know, but it only works for me. Exactly. They're the chosen one. They have a tragic family life. There's a massive amount of time initially spent on their physical description. Okay, sure. And I know that's very true of like Fifty Shades of Grey and Twilight and kind of stuff like that.

Like it's a lot of time being like, she's just a regular girl, but she's pretty, but she doesn't know it. Kind of that kind of shit. And also the author is heavily invested in the character. So much so that they probably won't kill them. Yeah, yeah. Well, they might. But only to bring them back. That's true. Even stronger. As a like a... A being of pure light. A being them. Yeah, yeah. Well, they might. But only to bring them back. That's true.

Even stronger. As a being of pure light. A being of pure light, exactly. Gandalf. Mary Sue. Really? Okay. Gandalf the White.

No, I'm kidding. So you mentioned Balaswad. Yes. Look, I haven't read Twilight. I started to read it once because I was like, what is this? And then I'm like, can't. This is... Look, I don't mind if people like it, whatever.

But it's obviously not for us. It's not written for us. I just don't buy... Here's the thing. I don't care if there's a terrible romance and it's poorly made and the special effects are bad and there's vampires that can hang out in the sun and they just become more beautiful or whatever. Sure.

I do not buy that there's a vampire and he's over 100 years old and he wants to hang out with a 17 year old girl yeah sure do their mental states state it's 17? oh maybe that's well I don't know

we'll never know that is the only way of explaining that yeah but because it couldn't and also he has to hang out in high school all the time can you imagine? you know what you could do?

Put a fake beard on. Not even. Say, I'm 19. Oh, yeah. I don't have to go to school anymore. That's a really good point. But yeah, like imagine being 100 and hanging out, trying to have a conversation with a 17-year-old girl.

Are you kidding me? Anyway, yes. So she probably is. But she's special though because you can you can have a conversation with her that's a real and you don't want to blow your brains out but that's okay i have seen that movie right and he does kind of fall in love with her for no reason because she smells right or something now one of them he can read minds but you can't read his mind he can't read her mind right okay because she can't read his mind. He can't read her mind. Right, okay, because she's special.

Yeah, but there's no... That's why she's so intriguing. That's right, because there's just nothing going on up there. That's probably why. Yeah, so that obviously carries over to Fifty Shades of Grey where... Which is literally a fanfic. It's literally a fanfic where the girl is just an average girl and she's kind of cutesy and I'm fumbling

and I drop my books in an elevator whatever and then he's like i'm a billionaire let's hang out all the time so you know that was the tagline for that movie right let's hang out all the time my taste is somewhat unconventional and then it cuts to just like like a lounge room and there's netflix on it's like there's like a popcorn it's like let's's Netflix on it. It's like popcorn. It's like, let's hang out all the time. She's like, I don't know if I can handle this. I'm probably from Connecticut or something.

The home of Mary Sues. You mentioned Luke Skywalker. Yes. What do you think about that character of Luke Skywalker and whether he's a Marian? Also, the male Mary Sues are referred to as Gary Sue or Marty Stew. Gary Stew, Marty Stew. Yeah, the male Mary Sues are referred to as Gary Sue or Marty Stew. Gary Stew. Gary Stew.

Look. Bowl of Stew. Oh. I don't know. Here's the thing. We're going to mention a lot of characters who have these Mary Sue characteristics. I'm not saying any of them are Mary Sues or Gary Stews or Marty Stews or whatever. Bowls of Stew.

I'm not saying any of them are Bowls of stew. I'm not saying any of them are bowls of stew. I'm just saying they have characteristics. You can expand this to include basically everybody. Yes. But what I am saying is that overwhelmingly, I don't know if it's just because of the name, but you almost never have a male character referred to as this. Yeah.

Then almost no male characters are attacked for having these characteristics. It's almost always women. I agree with that, yeah. And it's, you can, for the sake of argument, go, yeah, well, this character's a guy and he does all this. Yeah, but nobody, whenever...

Nobody attacked Chris Pratt's character in Jurassic World. Yes, exactly. Yeah, for being, having the ability to... The best army guy and he could talk to dinosaurs and whatever. It was just assumed that he is there because he's the best at that job. Yes. And so they gave him the job.

Yeah. Much as, like, when I work at Subway, I'm the best sandwich artist there is. Despite the bread. Despite the bread. Despite the pedophile they hired for many years. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Dear, oh no dear oh dear yeah anyway so god um you're good at sandwiches so no one's ever gonna question why i'm there you know what i mean

yeah yeah it's got there's a there's a tweet that's it goes around it's got like 10 000 retweets or whatever yeah and it's it's it's a dialogue and it's a guy and he's like man i wish girls were new took knew about sports and then the girl's like i know a guy and he's like, man, I wish girls knew about sports. And then a girl's like, I know about sports. And he's like, oh yeah? Name the coach of the Seahawks from the 1970s. You're like, just, you know what I'm talking about? Like if I say I really like Game of Thrones,

people are like, great. But if you like, the girl's like, I like Game of Thrones. People are like, oh yeah? What do you think? Tell me all the, name all the characters. Name all the- Yeah, exactly. Yeah, all that balls. You know what I mean? Anyway, that's Game of Thrones. People are like, oh, yeah. What do you think? Tell me all the... Name all the characters. Which book? Yeah, exactly.

All that balls. You know what I mean? Anyway, that's beside the point. The point is... Luke Skywalker. Yes. Well, he's... The thing about Luke Skywalker is...

Actually, you know what the thing is? If Rey is a Mary Sue, everybody on this list is. I think that's... Okay. Luke Skywalker especially. But I don't know about that because he is not very good initially. Yeah. Like he has some abilities.

Like he's an okay pilot. He's not great. I don't know. He does bullseye some womp rats in his T-16. Well, he says he does. Yeah, maybe he's a liar. Yeah.

Don't you think maybe when he bullseye womp rats in his T-16 that he was using the Force? I absolutely do. And I think when he said that the guy guy next to him had just been like, the fuck? Can everyone do that?

Look, because I feel that this Luke Skywalker went from knowing nothing about the Force, like zero, he didn't even know it existed. He sort of knew the Jedi Knights. Yeah, he had a vague idea. I don't know. But he didn't even know it existed yeah he sort of knew the jedi knights yeah he was at a vague idea i don't know but he didn't know what the force was and then in two less than two hours time he's shooting some proton torpedoes into a two meter exhaust port and blowing up a death star without using a targeting computer and he may have had his eyes closed sure i don't think he did there's no way yeah look he couldn't have seen very well out of that cockpit regardless yeah but yeah i feel like as well he he does make a lot of mistakes

but i also feel that the character of ray which we'll get to at the end also there are mistakes that they make along the way she's infinitely more skilled than luke skywalker or she's written that way or she is that way whatever you want to call it i don't doubt that uh-huh uh but yeah i i don't know if he i don't know if he fits. There are things that he can do that other people can't do, but then you look at characters like Han Solo. There's things that he can do that other people can't do as well. Like he's an amazing shot and he's the best pilot and smuggles drugs, which is also a good quality.

So good. So I don't know. You know, man. We're not going to say definitive whether they are or not, I guess. It just occurred to me, maybe Parsec is like a type of trucker speed. Because he's like, I made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. Oh, you only had to take 12 parsecs. So good.

Most people would have had to take 15 parsecs. Yeah, yeah. But I'm really efficient. Weekly Planet Exclusive. Absolutely. One here, I think, and this very much depends on which version you're looking at from which movie. John McClane. Yes. Originally, not at all.

Correct. Well, a little bit, I guess, because he's pretty good at some stuff. Again, like you said, every one of these characters has a few of the traits that you would expect because they're good at something. They're good at something. That's why there's a movie about them, because they're good at something. Right? John McClane's not good at avoiding broken glass no on the ground no but he is good at say shooting people yes that's right leaping off the side of a building attached to a fire hose that's right or killing alan rickman before 30 years before alan rickman was killed wow ahead of his time in a way so ahead of his time but then you get to like die hard four and especially five which i stopped watching because

i'm like this is unbearable. But he's just an invincible Bruce Willis action man now who's good at everything. He was just a New York cop, and now he's in Russia, like, I don't know, whatever he's doing, like taking down the mob or whatever he's supposed to be doing there. I don't know. Do you think the turning point was in Die Hard 4 when he launches a taxi at a helicopter? Yes, absolutely. I think it also might be, if you just look at his hairline, if he's bald, then he is definitely bald.

Not a Mary Sue. No, he is. He's leaning towards it. Oh, no, sure, you're right. And if he's bald then, then no. He's a regular guy. Not quite, yeah. He's just a regular Joe Lunchpail.

Yes, that's right. So, yeah. Here's one that might be a bit controversial, though. Batman. Well, we're nothing if not controversial. That's very true. It's what we're known for. Batman, depending on who's writing, obviously.

Yes. Some artists. Yeah. Sorry, some writers kind of insert themselves into the character and give them their own traits. Yeah, because up until probably like the mid-90s, the question was always like, why is Batman even on the Justice League?

Like, why? He's the money. Yeah, exactly. On the Super Friends cartoon, he was just there for him or Robin to get tied up or whatever. Sure. Or just tag along in a Batmobile. You know what I mean?

Carried by Superman or whatever. Yeah, and then the backlash from that was for a few writers like Grant Morrison to just be like, what's the reason he's on the Justice League? Because he's the best at everything kind of thing. And then that became, for quite a long time, that became his defining characteristic that he could do anything and he had all the resources and all the training. And he was always 10 steps ahead. That's right.

But yeah, nobody likes him though. No, he's very unpleasant. He's a real grizzly bear. And I feel as well, though, he's one of those guys where even his negative characteristics are positives. Like he's too driven. He's too focused. He's too paranoid. He can make so many

Subway sandwiches just in an hour. He can just make them just so good. Do you know what I mean? Anticipates your needs. Yeah, that's right. He's always got

that handful of lettuce ready to go. He'll give you a single jalapeno just for that kick. Just for that kick you didn't even know you needed.

Gives you a little wink as you go. He's like, I'll throw that in for you and you're like, ooh. Hello. Yeah.

So yeah, but it also depends on what version of Batman we're talking about. Was it Kevin Smith who, and I like Kevin Smith a lot. He's great. You know what the best part about Kevin Smith is? What? We always have to add at the front of anything we say about Kevin Smith.

I like Kevin Smith a lot. Well, I feel like he gets a lot of unnecessary hate and I genuinely like his work and I enjoy his podcasts and whatever. I really like Fat Man or Batman. Anyway, that's not the point. This version of Batman turned out to be a really great writer. And the backlash of that was you've just made yourself Batman or you've given Batman one of the skills that you have or that kind of thing.

Yeah, and also Batman Cacophony is the worst Batman story ever written. That cannot be true. It is. Ever? I've read a lot. I've read at least three Batman stories and that's the worst Batman story ever written. That cannot be true. It is. Ever? I've read a lot. I've read at least three Batman stories, and that's the worst one. But he also invents a character in that who...

The guy with the goat mask? No, no, no. I'm talking about he invents a love interest in that. Silver Saint Cloud? Yeah, Silver Saint. I thought she was already a character. Maybe. Anyway, go on.

But he turns her into... If we're talking Maryary sue's that's a character like she is amazing and she's the perfect woman for batman and batman falls in love with her and she gains his trust and then she he reveals her identity his identity to her yes and then she's from 1977 okay so she'd been around. But yeah, he definitely, like, she was nobody. Yeah, yeah. Like, she wasn't doing anything. And then he's just, then, okay, and I trust you fully and I'll reveal my identity and you're the greatest and less- Onomatopoeia.

Onomatopoeia, there we go. Sorry, go on. Anyway. And we'll live a life together. Oh no, you've died a tragic death. Yes. That's a fan fiction character. That's a good point.

I feel. Yeah, can't argue with that. Mm-hmm. Speaking of terrible Batman characters- Yes. Birds of prey the tv series series yes where like if somebody needs uh what did you say i didn't see a lot of that but if somebody needs telekinesis they have it one character in that had a very broad and generic kind of uh psionic ability where she could basically pull anything out of a hat. She could read minds.

Right. And that was her defining characteristic for a while. But then all of a sudden she's locked in a room and the key's over the other side of the room. I know. If only she had telekinesis and then she does. Oh, that's... Very convenient, right?

Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I wish I could do that. That's a bad show though for idiots, isn't it? It is a bad show for idiots. Yeah. What about Harry Potter? He has a lot of these characteristics yeah more so in the first couple of movies sure yeah where he's just like i have a he's got a very defined kind of his look is very descriptive he's got blue eyes like his mother and crazy yeah he can't doesn't know what to do with in a scar

and he's just a regular he's a kid. He's living a poor old life and then all of a sudden he's introduced into this magical world and it turns out he's rich and he's the best wizard and he gets this group

of friends that all love him and he's got a great broom. He does, doesn't he? He gets given that broom. Yeah. And at the end of the first one he can't be killed

because he's Harry Potter. In a lot of those ones he can't be killed because he's Harry Potter. Okay, right. I think at the first one he can't be killed because he's harry potter in a lot of those ones he can't be killed because he's harry potter okay right i think at the very end he can't be killed because he's harry potter as well spoiler of harry potter because i think because he dies and then he comes back oh and then he's immune to voldemort and he's like you forgot love and voldemort's like what i wish i remember love'd known what love was. And then he's dead. But I think that character definitely becomes more interesting

but also he gets saved by his friends a lot. Like he's also really not good at a lot of stuff. Like it's very specific in that first book where they go through and they have to pass a series of tests and one of them is you have to play a giant game of chess and Ron's like, turns out I'm really good at chess. Right, uh so you know it's that's like a classic marty stew ron you son of a

bitch good at chess into the bin with you get out of here mate so yeah i think he definitely has characteristics like all of us have characteristics good or bad what about doctor who yeah look let's talk about let's talk about some stephen moffat characters okay so we're talking sherlock we're talking doctor who we're talking g yeah all the greats look if there's if there's a if there's a number one fan fiction if there's a number one fan fiction, if there's a number one Mary Sue-esque character where it's just the writer loves the character so much and it's a version of him, it's equal first Sherlock and Doctor Who, I feel. Sure, yep, yep. Absolutely. Because isn't that that episode where the undoing of the evil sherlock anti-sherlock woman who's female sherlock is that she's in love with sherlock yes and what is it her past

there's an episode look maybe it's improved because i didn't watch the last season because i was so i'm like oh this has totally been moffited yep i can't do it anymore yeah but yeah in the in the second season of sherlock there's a character iren adler who's played by rachel mcadams in the yes danny jr movies and i think she's quite good in that yeah sure but in this one she's like oh no she's a superior character to to sherlock she's she's ahead of him at every turn and sherlock's like oh no i've the only way to get her is to get into her phone, but if the phone says, I am locked, what's the password? But then it turns out at the end, the password is because she's obsessed with him.

The password is sure. I am sure locked. That's the password. Like all phones. Yeah. You'd have to build your own operating system for that to happen. To make that, first of all, I've never seen a phone that says I am locked. Have you? No.

A phone that says I am, space for a password, locked. It's never happened. It's garbage. And that's the, that was the key element of that whole episode. It certainly was. To find that password. Yeah. Garbage. I understand that. And it's a lot of Doctor Who's kind of

like, there's a lot of, I like Doctor Who a lot. I'm behind on this like there's a lot of i like doctor a lot i'm behind on this season i will go back at some point but there's a lot of like it just turns out that like they're backed into a corner and it turns out he can reverse the whatever at the last minute and like he's down and he's out and then he's like i just remembered i could do whatever and save whatever we're doing yes you know what i. But again, every character kind of does that also. Yeah. But also there is an episode of the tenant doctor where the master has returned.

Yes. And he's turned the doctor into a little goblin in a cage. And he's like, I've taken over the world. But then the doctor gets the upper hand because he set this plan in motion that everybody loves him and believes in him, and that sends energy into the universe and it transforms him back into the Doctor

and he wins the day. Because everybody in the world loves him and believes in him. Like the end of Elf when the sleigh flies, because everyone has to believe it. Right, yes, there we go, exactly. Yeah, absolutely. I thought you meant the TV series ALF. Maybe.

Maybe that's how it ended. That's how it ended. That's how it ended. Neo from The Matrix. You brought up The Matrix before. Hang on, should I have a go at Sherlock? No, we've had enough of that. You had a pretty good swipe, I think. Martin Freeman's great in that as well he is and look and that's

the thing it doesn't mean these things can't be enjoyed yeah you know what i mean even if because i like sherlock a lot martin freeman in that show is a crack shot into the bin mate you're a very soon because you're good at something neo from the matrix is the classic oh i'm just a nobody and turns out i'm the most important person in the universe right a lot of that goes away in the sequels because it turns out that he's been one of many and they burn his eyes out sure yeah and a whole bunch of other stuff happens but that first one especially but then again he does kind of build up to it yes he does get his ass kicked at no point at no point did anybody ever maybe they did, but nobody's ever gone,

you know, on one of those classic Mary Sue characters, Neo from The Matrix, because then it turns out he's the best at everything and he's got a secret power within him. Nobody ever says that. Yeah. But if you're a woman, people will be like, how did she...

Catch the lightsaber. Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah, do you think Neo would qualify as an ally? Yeah, definitely. Get into the bin, Neo, please. Yeah, he's going in the lights over. Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah. So, do you think Neo would qualify as an ally? Yeah, definitely. Get into the bin, Neo, please. Yeah, he's going in the bloody bin. He's going in the bin.

Yeah, exactly. But more so the first couple of acts of the second movie. Yes. Where he's just invincible. That's right. And he can fight 50 guys at once. He's on the stairwell. And they hit him with a sword.

He blocks it with his hand. Yeah. And they're like, and like one drop of blood falls and the villain's like, see, he's just a man. You can kill him. Yeah. If you hold him down and just chip at him with a sword for like three hours, maybe, but then maybe not.

Maybe he just lays down and up, but he won't. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That movie's very unsatisfying. Boy, is it it are you looking forward to the inevitable sequel yeah me too yeah be good right yeah yeah it'd be real good should we talk about ray or is there anybody else you want to talk about in particular oh hang on let me think now let's talk about right good yeah okay so did did anything strike you as like so did anything bother you about that character when you first saw the movie?

Or second time you saw it? How many times have you seen it? I've seen it twice. Okay. Oh yeah, you did, same day. It did bother me that she was just good at the Force for no reason. Okay, sure. That was like, I really enjoyed the character up to that point.

Look, I think... Especially the lightsaber catch. Okay. I think it's because seeing Luke Skywalker struggle to get it out of the snow. Right. From like a foot away. Yeah. Look, my...

I don't think I have to justify the character. I think you do. Well, there we bloody go then. I think it's going to be borne out in the sequels. Yes. But look, from what I can... Luke goes from a character who doesn't even know the Force exists. Yes.

Rey does. Yes. Rey... She's told... She's like, all of it's true at some point. No, but I think prior to that, she's heard inkling. That's why Han has to say, look, all the stuff you've heard about. Yeah, good point. You've heard about Han Solo. You to say, look, all the stuff you've heard about.

You've heard about me, Han Solo. You've heard about Luke Skywalker. You've heard about Darth Vader and all this sort of stuff. You know what the Force is. She's had her childhood to think about it to some degree. So as someone who is Force sensitive, who has spent a long time dwelling on the Force, she doesn't quite know what it is but it's there right and i think i mean she does have that moment where it's kind of her head is kind of unlocked yeah look i think whether you

think it's a good plot device or not i think there's they've put elements in place there to explain why her uh skill with a force sort of ramps right up right and i think that like initially it's it's she grabs the lightsaber which is being imprinted in some way with a message or some sort of she's got some kind of connection to it whatever it is yeah she's got a connection to it luke has a connection to it he's he's imprinted that connection on there yeah and it gives her a kind of an awakening and i think also force awakening oh oh i didn't even oh it's funny um but i think also the every time she comes into contact with kylo ren i think that she learns some force skills through that right i think that he attempts to open a doorway into her mind to get in there and, you know, crush her

and get the information out that he wants. But in doing so, again, after she's had that awakening with the lightsaber. That's awakening. Thank you. She kind of instinctively knows. Sure. She can see the gears turning

and then all of a sudden she knows how to get there and again there's the moment where she you know

she mind tricks the stormtrooper that's a story she's heard yeah well that's yeah exactly she knows that the Jedi Knights

can control the minds of the weak world and she gives it a crack yeah and it works sure that's a good point because she didn't just chance that did she yeah she wasn't just maybe this way exactly yeah yeah

and i think also a lot of her other skills that she has like she's she's a pretty good pilot and she can fix stuff and and she speaks multiple languages she speaks multiple languages and things like that like she's the environment which she's grown up in yeah those are skills that she's had to develop to survive yeah exactly that's the reason she's not killed immediately. Yeah, and that's the reason why Han Solo's a smooth talker and he's good with a blaster. Yeah. We didn't see him as a child and he's great at those things.

He's not a smooth talking little kid who's good with a blaster. They're the skills that he's had to develop to get where he is, to become a good smuggler and et cetera, et cetera, because he's had to talk to become to get where he is yes to become a good smuggler and etc etc because he has he's had to talk his way out of a lot of things he's had to shoot his way out a lot of things no he's presumably gotten away from trouble murder yeah well he has and smuggling drugs yes you know he's presumably he's gotten away from a lot of situations just by the skin of his teeth like just barely yeah there are again there are probably thousands upon thousands of han solo s characters who haven't done that

they weren't as good at him they didn't pick up those skills they attempted to smuggle drugs because that's where the money is and now they're dead because they weren't good at talking maybe he killed him he probably killed them grito grito might have been a Han Solo-esque character. Of his species. Of his species. But he's just not good. That's why the movie's not about Greedo. Because he's not as good.

So he's dead. Sure. Yeah. Like, Rey lives on Jakku. She needs to talk to people of different alien species. So everybody's got that skill. That's right. Han Solo has it.

Han Solo can talk to Chewie. You can talk to Luke. Yeah. Both weirdo alien creatures. You can talk to Greedo. Greedo's all blibbity blibbity. You can talk to Jabba. Yeah, you can talk to Jabba.

You know Jabba can speak English? What? Or maybe he can't anymore. I don't know. It's called basic anyway. It's not the point. I know. He's a bloody Mary Sue.

Yeah, he is. He doesn't beat Jabba. I think. Just speaking multiple languages, being rich. Just squashing everyone else down. Yeah, he is. He's a bin jabber. I think. Just speaking multiple languages, being rich. Just squashing everyone else down. Owns a pet. That's true. Yeah.

I think that's a good. The Rancor trainer. Into the bin, mate. Very sensitive. Owns a Rancor. Get out of here. The lightsaber battle. Yeah.

She beats Kylo Ren in the lightsaber battle. She's good with a stick. Yeah. Well, she's good with a stick. I think three points to note. Yep. Good with a stick. Yep. Kylo Ren's been shot. Yes. He's been good with a stick i think three points to note yep good with a stick yep kylo ren's been shot yes he's been shot with a bowcaster and he killed his father so he's

probably a bit upset he's probably upset yeah like who else has survived a shot from chewback his crossbow no everybody flies like a thousand feet everybody's dead exactly yeah yeah um kylo ren wasn't trying to kill her no he, he wasn't. He was trying to capture her. That's true, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess, I don't know, it probably would have been more satisfying if she barely got away.

Maybe that would have been, you know, for me, a more satisfying ending. I don't know, man. Also, it's Luke's lightsaber, and it's magic. That's true, it is magic. I forgot, it's the Excalibur of lightsabers. Yeah, and I mean, again, if we're talking about... It's got the souls of all those dead Jedi kids in it.

Now that I think about it. But yeah, she touches the lightsaber. She has that revelation. Yeah. That Force Awakening. Thank you. It's got a bit of bloody magic in it. Yeah.

You know what I'm talking about? Get it going. That's why, like, it's not so much that she called it to herself with the Force. The lightsaber met her halfway. Oh, you think? Yeah. Okay, fair enough all right and also and look this is an excuse for for any movie because this is the first of a new a new trilogy

and every story should really be self-contained we don't really know anything about her yeah like we don't know where she's from yeah and that will obviously unfold and a lot of people say well that's not good enough because you know like i said every story needs to be its own thing but yeah i think all of this will become a lot clearer yeah maybe for the worse all the better depending you know in the next in the next few movies and that'll be a fun fun fun time uh let's see instantly liked and trusted by everyone boo into the bin you know what she wasn't instantly liked and trusted by everyone that's true hence all i was going to throw them out and so i was going to throw out um ray and finn got off to a bad start.

Yep, true. And you know what? They eventually, over the course of the two hours, they grew to like her. You know why? Likeable. She's pretty nice. She's got a characteristic that she is likeable.

Some people have that. Some people. Yeah. But I think, yeah, look, at the end of the day, every character, every antagonist, protagonist. I also remember that time she pulls the fuse out of the Millennium Falcon. Yeah. But I think, yeah, look, at the end of the day, every character, every antagonist, protagonist. I also remember that time she pulls the fuse out of the Millennium Falcon. Yeah. And she tries to close the doors, but she unleashes the monster.

That's true, yeah. Not infallible. No. I mean, she gets knocked out at one point. Yeah. She runs away because she's scared and a coward. Yeah. She does all sorts of stuff.

Into the bin. Into the bloody bin. Nah, she's alright. Every character has these characteristics, every main character of every movie. And there's a Christopher Maverick wrote in. He's a PhD student. Again, great name. I know, right?

PhD student, you know what he's going to be once he graduates? What? Dr. Maverick. The greatest doctor of them all. Totally. A PhD student in English Literature who specializes in- He could be a character in like a House fan fiction. He totally could be.

Even better than House. Even better than House, exactly. More likable than House. Yeah. Gets in a relationship with all the girls. Into the bin, Dr. Maverick. Anyway. And he specializes in 20th to 21st century pop culture.

Oh, he's good at it. He's better than us at something, isn't he? Into the bin, mate. Especially comic books and movies. I know they stand up in new literature. And basically he's got this article, which I'll link below, which everyone can check out.

And it just goes through kind of the idea of a Mary Sue and what that's all about. And in summary, it's okay if there are Mary Sues. In summary, lighten up. Lighten up your bunch of pricks on the internet. It's fine. They're characters. Very true.

Why do you want to see why do you want to see a movie with unexceptional characters in it yeah that's right and look

you know what I like about Ray as well and whether or not this is Mary Sue related or not a friend of mine sweet speeder that's right yeah it's great right a friend of mine

came in the other day he's got a little girl she's like seven and I had that Art of the Force Awakens book and we're going through it and he's like you know what the best thing about this is she's now got like a character that she's like seven and I had that Art of the Force Awakens book and we're going through it and he's like you know what

the best thing about this is she's now got like a character that she can like relate to from Star Wars who's like a Jedi who's cool because she had like Amidala I guess

and also Princess Leia but this is like this is what she kind of always wanted and now she has that so everybody gets a bloody hero alright yeah

I mean not if you want to buy an action figure it's real difficult to do that that's changing though they're switching that switching oh if we're talking about force awakens spoilers because we have yeah we've talked about it for a long time what do you think about there's like a there's like a disney infinity game oh yeah and people have sent us the link it's the video it is balls exactly there's a video and people are like oh it's it's ray versus kylo ren they're having a you know kind of a lightsaber battle in an arena. Sure.

And everybody's like, oh, he says cousin. Yeah. They're cousins. He says curses. He does say curses. He says curses because he's a villain in a sci-fi series. Yes.

And they say curses. That's right. That's how it works. And it just happens to be like, he says face me and then she hits him and he says curses. And it just happens to line up like that.

And if you play that game with subtitles, that's the way it works. That being said, I'm not ruling out the idea that they're cousins. No, I'm not ruling any of it out. That's what I said in my... Do you think they actually know what her relation is to every other character yet?

I think they do. They'd have to. They're filming the second one. Oh, okay, ready. JJ Abrams even came out this week and said that he did. I'm still banking on Kenobi, but if it was anything else,

I'd be totally okay with that also. Yeah. Whatevs. I'm still banking on Kenobi, but if it was anything else, I'd be totally okay with that also. Yeah. Whatevs. I'm sort of warming to the idea that she is Luke Skywalker's daughter. Because she's good at everything like Luke? Yeah, exactly. Because they're both bloody Mary Seas.

But also because, and I've been thinking about it more recently, I haven't gone back to see it again, and I think I should. Oh, sorry. Mark Hamill really acts the hell out of that last scene. Yes, he does! We mentioned it, but man, he really does. Yeah, he's, yeah. And hell out of that last scene. Yes, he does.

We mentioned it, but man, he really does. And I think in that last scene, it adds an extra layer because the look that he gives, that long extended look, it feels to me like, and I think I mentioned this when we reviewed it, but it's like, I've put this plan in motion, but I wish it wasn't happening. I hate this. Yeah, like he's, to me it feels like, I've put this plan in motion, but I wish it wasn't happening. I hate this. Yeah. Yeah.

Like he's, to me, it feels like he's seen this vision and he knows that there's somebody who's adept at the force who's coming along and he has to train that person. Yeah. But the end result is going to be like a death. Yeah. Like bad stuff. That's right. Maybe not, maybe generally, or maybe specifically, maybe he's like, well, if this happens, Han

Solo is going to die. Sure. Whoever. All those planets that blew up. That planet that was Coruscant, but maybe it isn't Coruscant. It's not. Okay. Or like, you know, maybe this person who I'm going to train

is going to save the day, but then they're going to die as well. Right. So when she shows up, he's like, oh, no, that means Han's dead. That means there's trouble. But if that's his daughter, that means Han's dead. That means there's trouble. But if that's his daughter, that adds an extra layer. Because it's like, my prophecy, the vision's come true, and that's my daughter, and she's going to die.

He's like, that's balls. Yeah, I'm against it, he says. You're right. A lot of people are like this, because there's some deleted scenes, right? Or something like that? There's more Luke Skywalker? Well, depending on the version, he was going to be in it more and they cut him out because he kind of drew focus whenever he turned up. I'm glad that he got the time that he got.

I think that's the perfect amount of time. And you know what? They didn't lie. He was in it. Yeah, but exactly. But he wasn't on any of the posters. He wasn't in any of the promo material. He was kind of in the trailer briefly.

Like they went like, he didn't do the press interviews. Yep. So, you know. know nice he's in it as much as he is what a bloody mary sue mate yeah into the bin mark hamill oh i'm good at acting and i'm good at voice acting into the bin you heard he's uh he's doing the killing joke at the moment oh really yeah and the killing joke version that they're doing it's going to expand on expand on the the original story which is cool wow I'm very excited for that. Great. That'll be super cool, won't it? Yes.

You know what it's time for? That could be your catchphrase. Oh, yeah. I don't like true that, even though there's a T-shirt. There's now a T-shirt. A golden legend, our T-shirt artist, has made a T-shirt. Yeah. It's too late.

It's pretty good. It's a pretty good T-shirt. I like it a lot. You know what it's time for? What's it time for? What we reading reading what are we gonna read you could have at least done it you could have matched my energy sorry it's not what we're about i'm doing the thing what are we reading today what have you been reading this

week a couple of things oh yeah i told you I mentioned I re-watched The Prestige. Yes, that's right. Bowie is great in that movie. Yes. Here's the thing about that movie, though. I'm ready. I enjoyed it a lot more than I initially did. Spoiler alert, the cloning machine is dumb.

It makes no sense. There's a lot of Christian Bale or Hugh Jackman putting on a fake beard and going to each other's shows. Yeah, there is. There's a lot of that. Yeah. But the characters themselves and the rivalry and obsession that drives them yep is fascinating uh-huh and so that element i really like that story i think it is a good movie yeah there's just there's some like i'm sure you'd agree with this like a lot of christopher nolan films depending on what you

believe there's like a game-breaking element there is always one element i was just gonna say there's always one element that I go, Oh, if he edited around that, if he'd found another way, that would have been better. Yeah. Like again,

like in the prestige, there's one character has this trick and the other character doesn't understand how he, how he does it. And so he spends his whole life trying to replicate it. And in the end he discovers this cloning machine and it eventually, the, trying to replicate it, and in the end he discovers this cloning machine and it eventually, what the cloning machine does is it clones him and puts him in the other side of the room and then he kills the other clone. So he's spent years just killing a version of him that maybe was the real him or maybe he's the clone.

Well, it's weird because at one point, the first time he tries it, he's still standing in the machine and he kills the other version of himself. It appears on the other side of the room. And then from every subsequent time, the version that steps into the machine drops under the floor and drowns and he becomes the version that's across the theater. So whatever way you look at it, neither of those are the original version of him. Very true. And he's got great hair and a series of fake beards yeah but again like if it had just been a like a different trick and the the other guy attempts to replicate it in a way that is

slowly killing him or something like that maybe it's a chemical reaction or something like that and he and he keeps trying it and it eventually kills him that would that would perfectly slot in with this element of obsession that eventually does you in but i guess there was a cloning machine in the book i don't know probably but the thing is every other aspect of that story is grounded in in the real world and i love the practicality of this is how we kind of do magic tricks and it's all right pulleys and levers and crushing birds in cages and shit like that and then it's just like and a cloning machine yeah anyway i've got another thing but what are you reading? Oh, I think what we're both reading, we both watched the season three of Marin.

Yeah. Do you enjoy that a lot? I really enjoy it. Yeah, very good. I like it a lot. I like that guy. He's fascinating. Yeah. And he makes a good show.

He makes a good show. Because I was watching this when you came around. Yeah. And I said, I think it might be better than Louis. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think? I think I relate to that guy more than I... I like Louis a lot. It's a great show. But I think I relate to that guy more than I

I like Louis a lot it's a great show but I think I relate to that guy more I feel I don't know Marin I feel is a lot more sitcom-y

okay yeah I'd agree with that it feels more like what a wacky scenario yeah like a wacky scenario exactly there's a wacky scenario every week and with Louis

there's also kind of a wacky scenario but it's more abstract it's a much more grim wacky scenario generally speaking sure

yeah speaking of Netflix I watched Hot Tub Time Machine 2 I've seen that what do you think? it's fine yeah look it's not as good

as the first I really like the first one a lot yeah the second one isn't as good because it's not like the first one

was kind of this metaphor of like what if you could go back in time would you change the regrets you had in the past knowing that it would change who you are in the future kind of this metaphor of like what if you could go back in time would you change the you know the regrets you had in the past knowing that it would change who you are in the future kind of thing yeah hot tub time machine 2 is basically let's go into the future and do some dumb stuff exactly that's some dumb future stuff the the problem with the the worst part about hot tub

time machine 2 and i don't know why i'm spending any amount of time on this at all is that at the in in the trailer, you see Rob Corddry's character show up and he's dressed like an American Civil War soldier. He is too, yeah. Like an American Revolutionary soldier. And he's like, we've got to go and create America kind of thing.

And that is like, after the actual plot of the movie is finished, there's like this montage at the end where they sort of go through history and ruin it kind of thing. Like they show up at like, you know, the Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech and they become the Beatles and they do all this sort of stuff. And I wish the whole movie was that.

Like just a series of short sketches where they go and they just ruin just run rampant through history and just ruin everything like red dwarf like red dwarf exactly yeah it was all right uh also i also sebastian stan wasn't in this one and he is in the first one yeah he's chet oh yeah and also there was no um cusack though he is very briefly in it oh yeah oh i also i you know the humble bundles yeah the same ones yeah well I you know the humble bundles yeah the steam ones you talking about yeah well there's the

the humble bundle they do like charity bundles and you pay you pay like money to it's for the it's like human rights a charity and every

once it's mostly like games on steam and stuff like that like you gotta you pay like a couple of bucks and you get you pay any amount of money

you get a whole bunch of games cool games and you pay like more than the bucks and you get, you pay any amount of money and you get a whole bunch of games. Cool games. And you pay like more than the average and you get more games. Cool games. Yeah, cool games. Exactly. Well, this week, and I think it might be running for like another week or so, they're doing

Image Comics. Oh, cool. Okay. So for like 20 bucks, you get a whole bunch of stuff. You get the first 47 issues of Invincible. Okay. Which you like very much. I do, yeah.

You get a whole run of Strayed Bullets you get a whole bunch of Warren Ellis stuff you get Bitch Planet which is really good I've never read that it's real good it's a real good one

cool yeah it's like it's like a hundred comics or something oh really okay it's pretty it's nearly as good as the Geek Fuel thing

that we do yeah it's good no it's awesome but it's not as good no certainly not it's definitely worse than that yeah okay cool but yeah it's all kinds it's awesome. But it's not as good. No, certainly not. It's definitely worse than that.

Yeah, okay, cool. But yeah, it's all kinds of... It's all, yeah, tons of image stuff. Sweet. I do love image. It's true. I watched a fan film as well, which I... Oh, Wolf, which I've talked about on previous episodes, like a supernatural noir detective.

First volume of that's in there. Is he a wolf? He's a werewolf of sorts. Like, what's that one called? The fairy tale one. Oh, Fables. He's a wolf as well.. Like, what's that one called? The fairy tale one. Oh, Fables. He's a wolf as well. Yeah, he's also a wolf.

Look, they're all bloody wolves. They can turn into wolves. Into the bin. Bloody. There's a Star Wars fan film called Rebel Scum. Oh, yes. A lot of people recommended that. Yeah, yeah.

And you should definitely check it out. It takes place right after, was i gonna say right after um return the jedi no battle okay and so one of the the pilots of the after the snow speeder battle crashes and everybody's gone so he's just stuck on half wow yeah and they went out and filmed him in an iron cannon that's firing in space so they went into the snow where they filmed this over a year and it's like it's got like really amazing, like stop motion. Like they did a, like there's a whole lot of like 80s and whatever. And it's just, it's definitely worth checking out.

So if it's on YouTube, Rebel Scum, tell them Mason sent you. Yeah. All right. Great. Any of the arts you're reading? That's, that's pretty much it. Then get that bloody theme song going, right. Great. Any of the else you're reading? That's pretty much it. Then get that bloody theme song going, mate. Get it going.

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What do you guys think of Ridley Scott going for a hard R rating for Alien Covenant? Good. Yep. Yeah, what was Prometheus? That was R. That was a weird surgery scene. There sure was.

Yeah, I think a guy got his face torn off. I don't know. I can't. There's no other way you can really do this. No, PG-13, none of that. It's not going to work for an alien film. I think Alien v. Predator was the first one was PG-13. I might be wrong.

And that one was also set in a weird ice pyramid. So they have a lot in common. Yeah, I am looking forward to this. I'm hoping it's less bullshit than this one and just like if The Martian proved anything... Ridley Scott's promised that. It's less bullshit. If The Martian proved anything,

it's that if you just give him a good script, he'll just direct a pretty good movie. Yeah. And like stylistically and, you know, his direction's obviously on point. I just feel like the stories that he's chosen recently except for the martian just haven't been this oh yeah you're doing the international symbol for that that's right what are your thoughts though anything else i don't know there's certain properties that have to be pg yeah i mean sorry they have to be r-rated

i'd say like a Terminator film. Yes. You've got to give that. Like a Predator film, obviously. Deadpool obviously looks like it'll work more as an R-rated thing. There's things that you kind of, even the diehard movies that are PG aren't as good as the other ones. They never work, do they? And I understand it because they probably make more money generally.

Yeah. I don't know where this universe is going, this Aliens universe. Going right back to Alien. We're only 10 movies away. I don't know. I don't know what I'm expecting. I don't know what I want out of it anymore.

Nothing. You don't even want any of it, I presume. I want the Aliens sequel. That's what I want. I want the one that the guy from Chappie was going to make, Neil Blomkamp. Yeah, that's right. But they're now shelved because he made Chappie.

I think they've shelved Pacific Rim 2 as well. Yeah, I'm okay with that. Okay, good. It sucks because it was a passion project. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I don't know what I'm expecting anymore. Just put it out. We'll see.

Just do your best, Ridley Scott. Come on, mate. We'll make a decision on the day. Just put it out and we'll enjoy it or crush you It's fine Just arbitrarily put out some hate on the internet Either way you won't hear about it But don't you dare put in an alien that's unnecessarily skilled at something

And is also a lady Because we will get you This is from atpatrick2me on Twitter Hashtag weeklyplanetpod. Do you think that Rogue One will ditch the opening crawl or the Star Wars type music to differentiate? No. Opening crawl.

I think we're going to get a crawl. Do you think it'll be like, this happened six years before the first Star War, or five years, or three years, whatever it's going to be? I think it'll say... This is in a different... I think it'll say after the battle. I think it'll say Star Wars Rogue One after the Battle of blank something something. So we'll get enough context to know where it fits.

Right. Yeah, I don't know. I think the spin-offs are for the fans. Right, totally. I think they're going to say you need some... Well, not even really. But I don't think when you get into the movie, you'll need to understand any of the backstory.

But I think the opening crawl is going to set the tone for people who want to know specifically where it fits in the rest of the universe and say, okay, this is after the events of blank. Yeah. And this has just happened. And this has just happened. Darth Vader, et cetera, et cetera.

Yeah. And then, you know. That was the rumor this week as well, that he's going to feature heavily in it, which will be cool. Oh, yeah. So, I mean, of course you would. Yeah. He's around that time, that was the rumor this week as well, that he's going to feature heavily in it, which will be cool. So, I mean,

of course you would. Yeah. He's around that time, isn't he? That's pretty good. All right. One more thing. Do you think they're going to give him a sweet redesign? No,

I think, I think the rumor was that it's going to be exactly like a new hope, which it has to be because we saw him in revenge of the Sith and we saw him in new hope. Unless he tries something out. I was going to say, what if he tries something out? What if there's a montage?

A series of fancy capes. Yeah, so many capes. Yeah, maybe one with a big kind of Doctor Strange or a Dracula-esque kind of collar. Yeah. This is from John on Facebook. What if he's got like a mission-specific outfit? I would love that.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that would be cool. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yep, I'm all for that. Like a deep space one. Yes. You see him floating through deep space i don't think he's powered by the force i don't think he needs that i think he can i think we saw it in the comics recently his boots are like magnetic and stuff as well i can't remember maybe that was in something else but he can he can go into space good not for long because that there's that's just a leather

outfit if you look real closely yeah all right this is from john on facebook what do you guys think of uh superhero grappling hook darth vader yes karate chop action darth vader deep sea darth vader lava proof darth vader ah i'm not he's not at all he's just regular what do you guys think of superhero movies killing off their villains at the end? Do you think it shoots the franchise in the foot, out of the gate, or is there no other way around the end of a satisfying story or story satisfyingly? End the story satisfyingly.

I just received a text, so I wasn't 100% paying attention. That's okay. What franchise are you referring to? Any franchise. Oh, any franchise. A superhero movie is killing their villains. Oh, any franchise.

A superhero movie is killing their villains. Look, how many villains so far in the Marvel and DC movies have been super compelling? Four. Yeah. Look, I think if they were written more cohesively, if they had a better arc, I'd be like, oh, maybe we'd like to see-

A better arc reactor. Oh. In the case of the Iron Man trilogy films. Very good. Thank you. That's- Go on. I'm leaning back.

I think we should just end the podcast there. That's very good. Drinking water. You can just add in some applause. And yeah, look, like if you think of like Obadiah Stane, do you want to see that character again? No. I want to see Jeff Bridges again.

Yeah, definitely. But I don't, like there's no more to that character. So you think if they're well-written, yes, and compelling, yes. Yeah, but so few of them are really. That is always the flaw with these movies. Mary Sue's, obviously. get them all in the bin first of all let's chuck all them in the bin yeah superman he's from a bloody alien world we should have brought him up he's a special he's a special flower and he can shoot blazes out of his eyes and he can't you can't hurt him even with a tank

into the bin superman get in the bin mate yeah, but I mean, there's so many villains to get through. And if you're not going to write them as compelling characters, just give us a lot of spectacle. Sure, yeah. You know what I mean? Okay. Just give us a guy with lightning whips and a guy in a suit of armor and a whatever. Yeah, cool. And a guy piercing, he's on fire and he's got dragon tattoos or whatever.

That was so much spectacle. Yeah, so much spectacle so much spectacle but that doesn't seem to be the trend to give the villains you can go either way but I if you're not going to

give them any more depth and that doesn't seem to be the trend to give them more depth no then just give us just go to the go to the Marvel Archive

or the DC Archive and just look at all the characters and go that guy looks visually spectacular that'll look good on film let's put in Bartok the leaper let's put look at all the characters and go, that guy looks visually spectacular. That'd look good on film. Let's put in Bartok the Leaper. Let's put in Batroc the Leaper.

Thank you. Bartok is somebody else probably. Probably. Yeah, you're right. However they want to... I don't know, but do you think you could... Would you be upset if...

Who's someone that's died? Exploded. Yeah, is there anybody you'd want to see who's dead who you'd want to see come back? I would say Purple Man because that was an intriguing character. Yeah, okay, you ought to go with that.

But I reckon that, I don't think I could go through that again. He's a very intense character. He's very harrowing to look at. But no, he looked pretty dead. I guess he could come back in a wheelchair maybe. Yeah. But he seemed pretty dead at the time, didn't he? Yeah.

I don't know, I think that maybe the TV versions are going to have more compelling villains. Yeah, you can flesh them out, can't you? You can flesh them out, exactly. You can give them their own backstory where they stare at a wall and then their dad's mean to them. Yep. Kingpin. Kingpin.

Is what I'm saying. Yeah. All right, I think that's it. Also Purple Man. Also Purple Man. His dad is also mean to him. Yeah, you're right. Anything else going on?

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you know what we gotta do soon what's up I think we should do this before Deadpool we gotta do Deadpool episode review a Deadpool review Deadpool

yes but even before that yeah review Deadpool yes we could or maybe we wait yeah okay all right fine but um we should maybe should we do a Deadpool episode I don't know if I know enough about him to do a whole episode can you I have to read a bunch of stuff I've read so little Deadpool could you do it let's see how we go all right um but I thought we could do Fox Marvel movies ones thates that we haven't talked about. Great.

Specifically the bad ones. Like you're, well, Daredevil to an extent. It's okay. Yeah. Like Elektra, the original Fantastic Four ones.

Not the original, you know, the Fox ones. Sure. What else we got in there? Spider-Man 3. Just the not, all the great,

the not good stuff. Oh, that's at Sony anyway. Yeah. Whatever. Do you want to do something like that at some point maybe not next week

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