The Weekly Planet - 12 Dumbest Moments In Comic Book Movies, Godzilla & More!

Episode Date: December 16, 2013

This week we're talking Godzilla, Interstella, Venom & The Sinister Six, The Avengers: Age Of Ultron and the dumbest movies in comic book movies.Thanks for supporting the show! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Welcome everyone to episode 12 of The Weekly Planet, official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com. Mason is who we are. That is us. Hello. Hello. My name is James, junior editor at Comic Book Movie You may know me as Mr. Sunday Mason

I've never called you that Do you want me to start calling you that in real life? Yes And with me is my co-host, Nick Mason Do you want a nickname? Like a cool nickname you've accidentally saddled yourself with And now you can't get rid of Absolutely

They say you shouldn't give yourself a nickname, but I'm going to. Could I give you the nickname that I once gave you a long time ago? Yes. Chip Dangercock. Okay, right. I'd rather not, but it's going to stick, so... It's the name

of a super cool astronaut. Maybe he's a race driver in his spare time as well? Maybe he is. Yeah, okay. Are you? No, it sounds scary. It does sound really scary. I can't even drive a manual. Really? Well, I can, but I'd rather not. You're licensed to though, right? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Not that interesting. They call it stick. Not podcast worthy, certainly. No. They call it stick shift in the US, don't they? Yep. Oh, there we go. First off. Yes? Ask me how I am.

How are you? I'm not happy! Really? Wow. And I'll tell you why. Yep. You know what came out everywhere else in the world this week? That we didn't get?

Yes. At cinemas? Yes. What? The Hobbit 2. Desolation of Smoove. Smoove. Yeah. Smoove.

Un-fucking-believable. This has been an ongoing thing Since the Lord of the Rings movies We get them on Boxing Day Yeah And everybody else gets them Which for Americans is the after Christmas Yeah that's right sorry Which is

Why do we get them so late? I don't know because Although There's nothing out Steady First steady Steady mate Did you like the last one?

No But apparently this one's really good I didn't hate it But apparently this one's really good So didn't hate it but apparently this one's really good so you were ramping up and you were super aggro well I want to review it

and talk about it but I can't cannot yeah that's true people are like what do you think of it and I'm like I don't fucking know

it's probably good you fucking tell me great well see I'm swearing a lot I'm sorry no that's fine we'll not edit that out but

we do get a lot of movies ahead of time all the Marvel stuff get a lot of movies ahead of time all the Marvel stuff we get early we get ahead of time which was to our downfall because we were like we're going to be

super geniuses and we're going to review Thor way ahead of time we're going to spoil it for everybody and people will love that

and they will download and listen to all the spoilers before having watched the film and we thought that because we're idiots but we were wrong because nobody downloaded it.

We still got a lot of downloads eventually. Yeah. But by God, that was a slow way. It was touch and go. I think that was that week we had the advertiser as well.

Was that that week? No, that was Archimandrus. Oh, that's what it was too. I was in a tizzy. You were quite, and you're in a tizzy now. I am. It's not that long,

it's a couple of weeks. Yeah, but you know, by the time we get, we're not even, it's not even worth us talking about it in a couple of weeks though. That's actually a really we get We're not even It's not even worth us Talking about it In a couple of weeks though That's actually a really good point

Because who's going to care I'm certainly not going to care It's like you know The same thing happened With Man of Steel Because that came out Two weeks later I was furious

Because that was my Most anticipated movie I was as mad as A cut snake mate That's very Australian of you That's the most On a scale of Australian rage

That's right up there It sure is Right up the most, on a scale of Australian rage, that's right up there. It sure is. Right up there with dry as a dead dingo's donger. You know? And glassing somebody. And glassing one of

your mates. Yeah. So, yeah. There is news this week, though, of course. Big movie. Your man was a frog in a sock.

It's not right. It's a thing, though. Anyway, continue. There's news. I'd like to hear the news. Well, we just watched the Interstellar trailer, which is of course Christopher Nolan's follow-up film to Dark Knight Rises. It's not a sequel, is it though, to that movie? Well, it could be because we don't see anything about anything at all. We don't see any element.

There's a bit like... It's certainly set on Earth. Yes. Some of it. anything at all. Do you remember that? You don't see any element. There's a bit like, there's like... It's certainly set on Earth. Yes. Some of it. Some of it. Do you want to, do you want to... Dark Knight Rises is set on Earth. Yep.

Both of those are set on Earth. Yep. Both of them have Matthew McConaughey. Batman's been to space. Yes, he has. Yeah. Do you want to hear the, um, the synopsis? Yes, because we didn't get anything from that trailer.

No. We got literally nothing from that trailer. I had to look up the synopsis. We got stock footage Matthew McConaughey crying and driving yeah he drives we got Christopher Nolan or presumably his assistant director putting Matthew McConaughey in a car

driving him out for two seconds and he's like human achievement we've got it it could have been like an ad for one of those ads you don't know what it is one of those ads. Johnny Walker. Could have been an ad for Johnny Walker.

Yeah, exactly. You don't know what it is and then it's a Johnny Walker ad. Yeah. Or a perfume. Perfume. Yeah. Interstellar perfume. Yeah.

God. It smells like death in space. But you know what? At least... If you could smell in space instead of die, you'd smell this perfume. They say that... What was I going to say? I think...

It smells like rocket fumes and being impregnated by an alien. Okay, what's it about? I'd like to know. Well, do you think that as a teaser, though, it works? Or do you think it doesn't? Because teasers, I hate it when they show too much,

but that showed nothing. If I didn't know it was Christopher Nolan... Who cares? Is that what you're going to say? No, not who cares, but I would assume that it feels like more of a Tom Hanks film. Okay.

And it'd be about, like, an old astronaut, and he's reminiscing. That's what it is. That's the plot. And he's just trying to live his life after going to space. Trying to adjust. Is that what it's about?

No. I'll tell you this. It's set in the future. Great. I love the future. Which is not indicated in any way. It's not ideal, certainly. Because it even says at the end of the trailer, it says a year from now, which obviously means

it's out a year from now. Yeah. But that could mean it's set a year from now. Oh. Which is... It'll be very timely when it comes out then. It sure now. But that could mean it's set a year from now. It'll be very timely when it comes out then. It sure is. But that's not the case.

So I had to look this up because I read the synopsis and I saw that and I'm like, they don't line up at all. You thought it was a misprint. Yeah. Okay, so it's set in the future. Corn is the last crop to be... Corn is the last crop. The band Corn have ditched their new male roots and they've become the last stand in a post-apocalyptic world.

So Korn is the last crop to be cultivated on Earth and scientists embark on a journey through a wormhole into other dimensions in search of somewhere else that crops can be grown. So maybe we'll want to grow some cherry tomatoes. Absolutely. Some quinoa. Yeah. That's awful.

That's really awful. Well, you know what? What a terrible premise. But what about, like, Inception's, like, stealing ideas from dreams? Yeah, but that's... No, that's sort of what... Because there's a... There's a...

There's a logical pathway where they were like, we'll build a training device for the military. Yeah. And then it has another. So it pre-exists. And so the idea of going into somebody's dreams sort of logically follows through. But this reminds me of my... You know I have a love for films. Yes.

You know I have a love for films that are set... You know I have a love for films that are set in a future and now we've passed that future. Have we spoken about this on the podcast? Not on the podcast, no. Okay, well here we go. This reminds me of my favourite film

of that genre, which is the film Freejack. I thought you were going to say Johnny Mnemonic. Well, Johnny Mnemonic, obviously, that's number one, but it doesn't fit here. Freejack is set in the far-flung future of 2009.

So Emilio Estevez is a race car driver in the 90s. I love it already. Yeah, it's great. And he apparently dies in a fiery car crash, right? But what has happened is, scientists from the deep, incredibly incomprehensible future of 2009 have shot him with a time travel beam and have brought him into 2009 because their boss, Mick Jagger, is dying from an incurable

disease, right? And what he wants to do is he wants to use Emilio Estevez's perfect 1990s body and transfer his brain, the Mick Jagger brain, into Emilio Estevez. But then Emilio Estevez goes on the run, Free Jack style. Right, which is great, but it's a weird future where they've mastered both time travel and mind transference technology, but they still can't cure whatever disease this guy has? Why did the budget go into time travel? What's the point?

So my point here is, why hasn't the budget gone into genetically modified crops instead of dimensional travel? Ah, that's a really good point. I've ruined it for you already. So crops that could grow in the desert or whatever. Yeah, in the desert. Or in space.

In space. Or on a cow's back. On a cow's back. On Matthew McConaughey's back. It's very smooth. On his very waxed chest. He's very waxed. Yeah.

Okay. Now, you make good points about that movie I haven't seen. Well, neither of us have seen it. And possibly that description isn't accurate anyway. I was talking about the Mick Jagger one. Oh, right. Yeah, that was pretty great. But, look look I think

I love the idea I love all the stuff about wormholes and parallel dimensions and alternative timelines I love all that stuff it should have been a better Guffin though

I see how it's topical yeah it is because what a world we live in yep it's a really good point it's a complicated world it is

yep well there was another big trailer this week well there was a couple there was also is there a second interstellar trailer no why isn't it called interdimensional because that sounds dumb oh yeah well there was another big trailer this week well there was a couple there was also is there a second Interstellar trailer? no

why isn't it called Interdimensional? because that sounds dumb oh yeah INTERSTELLAR! okay sorry there was also

the Edge of Tomorrow trailer which is a Tom Cruise movie they're getting so generic those titles he's wearing those minority report gloves no no the power gloves

the Elysium XO suit. Oh, yeah. And he keeps going back in time. You know what? I'm going to talk about it. Go look at that trailer. It's fine. Godzilla, though.

Yes. What did you think of Godzilla? Love it. Yeah. Yeah. Now, Godzilla. Yes. The monster.

Correct. Had a very successful outing in 1998. That's incorrect. It was critically panned. Did it make any money? It kind of made money. I think it did okay. It was critically panned. Did it make any money? It can't have made any money. I think it did okay. It probably made money on merchandise. It made money on those Godzilla hand puppets.

That's right, I remember those. The Godzilla community, and there is one, the Godzilla fan community calls him Gino, G-I-N-O, Godzilla in name only. Because he doesn't look like Godzilla. He's not as big. He doesn't breathe fire.

He doesn't breathe... Remember? Remember that movie? Yeah. They put it in the trailer and were like, ooh, Godzilla's going to breathe fire, but he doesn't. All he does is sort of yell. Yeah.

And then a fuel tanker caught fire or something. What a waste. You shouldn't yell at fuel tankers. No, not at all. Everybody knows that. Very dangerous. What was I going to say about that movie? Well, there's a later Godzilla movie where that Geno...

Fights the real Godzilla. Yeah, and just smashes him. So that movie got panned for multiple, multiple reasons. Do you remember, though, the trailer for that movie, the teaser, is incredible. It looked great, yeah. It's a museum. It shows a T-Rex and they're like, the T-Rex is the largest... It's looked great, yeah. There's a, it's a museum. It shows a T-Rex and they're like,

the T-Rex is the largest. It's the first thing ever. Yeah. And then the foot, the Godzilla's foot comes through, completely crashes it. Yep.

And that's the teaser. I was very excited for that movie. Me too. Yeah. And it turned out to be really, really horrible. I saw that movie twice because I remember

I was a young man. Did you black out the first time? You're like, look, maybe it was good. No, I went and saw it and I went, wow, a young man. Did you black out the first time? You're like, look, maybe it was good. No, I went one of those things. I went and saw it and I went, wow, that was rough. And again, when you're a kid, you love everything.

And even then, I was like, that was a rough watch. And then my little brother had his birthday. And he was in society. And he had it. So I went and saw it again. And I just... God. Like, that was like my...

I don't even want... Oh, it just I could not watch that movie again yeah for any money no exactly yeah

what about Jean Reno's incredible performance oh yeah he's great that's French guy that's French guy I remember when

Phantom Menace first came out and it came out over the weekend yeah and I as a kid and I watched it

and I was very bored by the whole affair and I went to school on the Monday and somebody in one of my classes was reading the novelization, the hardcover novelization of The Phantom Menace. And I'm like, whew, pretty rough, hey? And he's like, I've seen it ten times! What? Yeah.

He saw it ten times over the weekend. Maybe three, maybe four Maybe five and four times. How could you watch that ten times? Maybe ten times in one day. I don't know. I remember the time not having it. But it's the power of belief. Yeah, I guess it is.

Because you want it to be good, don't you? Have you seen The People vs. George Lucas? No. It's this documentary about why everyone hates George Lucas. Okay, yeah. Is it just like a black screen and it just says, for all the reasons you think? Yeah.

It just sits there for two hours and you're like, oh yeah, I do hate it for all those reasons. But basically they show everything before The Phantom Menace. They show interviewing fans and they're like, it's got to be the best movie ever. One guy's like, it might not be good. And everyone's like, shut up! It's like, of course it's got to be good. Burn him at the stake. But you know, the backlash for that movie

wasn't immediate stick him in carbonite it wasn't immediate it was weird for me buddy really I was like okay alright

I didn't love it sure but it took it took a it took a few months for that to sink in the general consensus was that it was not good

yeah after yeah it took a while to sink in Godzilla trailer though Godzilla trailer though yeah now

what do you are you excited for this movie there's a guy who made monsters I didn't see monsters Gareth Edwards I think his name is what was monster

he made this independent kind of Charlize Theron no that was monster and it's about I think it's set in like South America

or something like that and it's basically these monsters have landed on earth and these big giant hulking monsters and it's about these two people trying to get over the border or something like that and it's basically these monsters have landed on Earth and these big giant hulking monsters and it's about these two people trying to get over the border

or something like that and he did all the special effects himself and he's made a few films before that but that got everybody's attention hence why he's doing this movie. And it was not a web only release? No, he went home and he did it all on a home computer

and from what I've seen I haven't seen the whole thing An Apple 2E An Apple 2E It's a lot of orange. For the first two months, he was just drawing the graphics on the screen with a text up. Oh, wow. So he didn't even know.

And then he took still photographs of that. Yeah. But yeah. Okay, so this is his first big project. Well, first big, big project. Big in more ways than one. That's right. Big monsters.

It's a good sense of foreboding, I thought. Yep. For what's to come. Brian Cran That's right. Big monsters. It's a good sense of foreboding, I thought. Yep. For what's to come. Bryan Cranston's in it. Yeah. Some people complain that there is not enough Godzilla in the trailer. No, that... Like, too many people, they say.

You're right. But you need people in a Godzilla movie. Yeah, and this is the first trailer, so what are they... Stop it. Yeah. And apparently Godzilla fights another monster in it. Maybe Mothra? I just guessed.

I don't know any other monsters. Mecha Godzilla? They wouldn't put him in the first one. Mothra? Mothra. It could be Mothra. Almost Maybe Mothra? I just guessed. I don't know any other monsters. Mechagodzilla? They wouldn't put him in the first one. Mothra? Mothra. It could be Mothra. Almost certainly Mothra. Yeah.

Do you think that people, and this is just struck me, do you think people would be less impressed by this because of Pacific Rim? Well, I... Because that had interdimensional monsters that had lots, like they could fly and they could, you know, they had like lots of acid sacks and electromagnetic pulses and all that sort of crazy stuff. Fighting giant robots with missiles and rocket hands and lasers. Yeah. Do you think, do you think the kids will not be impressed by just Godzilla fighting Mothra?

Well, you know what? I think that this movie will do better. Pacific Rim didn't do as well as people thought. Uh-huh. A lot of people didn't like Pacific Rim either. Yeah. I'm leaning more towards I thought it was just okay the more I think about it.

I know you loved it, didn't you? I enjoyed it because it was just, it was like, hey, you know all those Neon Genesis, Evangelion Yeah. kind of shows, animated, you know, anime

where giant robots fight giant monsters. What would that look like live action? Oh, there it is. I bet it... It met all my expectations and it was fun and Rob Perlman was in it. Oh, that's true.

Well, a guy I speak to on Twitter a lot, you know this guy, Cameron Boone, Baked Boones. Awesome guy. Yeah, I like that guy. He's a big Evangelion.

Is that right? Did I say that right? Yeah, Jelly. That one. He's a big fan of that and I hate a Pacific Rim. It was like, what a packet,

what a pile of garbage. You know what, at Baked Boones, stop listening, mate. We don't need your business. Get out of here. He's a good dude. Blocked, mate.

Mute blocked. How do you like that? But you know what, it answered your question. I think it's going to be, well, I'm pretty excited for it. I think they've scaled it back a bit.

But before Pacific Rim came out, I thought this, I think I even said, who would see this after Pacific Rim is going to blow everyone's minds? But I don't think it really did do that. Yeah, you're probably right. So I think, and you've got your name recognition. You've got a few big name actors in it. Aaron Thompson, Aaron Taylor Thompson, Aaron Johnson Taylor.

Jonathan Taylor Thomas. Jonathan Taylor Thomas. From Home Improvement. From Home Improvement. Right. Yeah. I think it's going to do well. I think it's going to do well. I think it's going to be great.

Yeah. Do you think this is going to have an overarching environmental message? I hope so. Like the first one? Yes. It was like, stop atomic testing, foreign nations. That's what I love about the first Godzilla, though. It was implied at the start that Godzilla was just an iguana who got caught in a nuclear blast.

And so he's just an iguana. Yeah, pretty great. Just a really big iguana. Did you ever watch the animated series? No. Okay, so what happened was, remember at the end of the first Godzilla? I do. There was an egg, there was one egg left?

Yeah. Well, basically that egg hatched. And they used it to fight crime. Yeah, they used it to fight crime. Street crime. No, it grew up really fast because iguana. Oh, yeah. But Matthew Broderick, animated Matthew Broderick found it and it imprinted on him.

So it thought he was its mother. And so he could command it, sort of. He could summon it to places. And it could shoot fire. It could shoot fire in this one. It's pretty great. Like an Iguana? Yeah, like an Iguana.

Like a real Iguana, yeah. And he fought monsters and stuff. It was alright. Okay. Don't go back to it, though. I'm glad it exists. Yes. I will definitely check that out after I re-watch Godzilla.

X-Men Apocalypse has some news, Mason. I'd like to hear about it. We talked about this last week. Yep. It was confirmed that Apocalypse is going to use the first class cast. Ooh, okay. So, there you go. Wow.

That answers everybody's questions about, well, it still could be set in a different time period. Uh-huh. But, yeah, all those guys will be back. Interesting. Mm. Because Apocalypse is never interacted with. that answers everybody's questions about well it still could be set in a different time period but yeah all those guys will be back interesting because Apocalypse is never interacted with

it's always you know future team or modern era team never never the characters of the 60s there you go

so there you go that's all I have about that it's pretty great move it along do you think he'll have the big A belt buckle yes

I really hope so Terminator Genesis is the name of Terminator 5 is Schwarzenegger in it Move it along? Do you think he'll have the big A belt buckle? Yes! Okay, I hope so too. I really hope so. Terminator Genesis is the name of Terminator 5. Is Schwarzenegger in it? Yes! Yes! But at the same time... Yeah. They must be doing the de-aging face thing, surely.

Okay, they'll be getting better at that. I hope so. I think the Jeff Bridges one is as good, in Tron Legacy is as good as it's been but that's still not very good but I think that works because he's supposed to be

computer generated I'm going to tell you why it doesn't work at the start of the movie they use it when he's in the real world before he gets trapped in Tron

or whatever that world is called before he gets entronned before he gets yeah but anyway Emilia Clarke now you're familiar

with Game of Thrones you know the dragon one yeah yeah she's been cast as Sarah Connor okay and Jason Clarke of

have you seen Zero Dark Thirty no he's in Zero Dark Thirty great he's what if that was a fake out have you seen

Zero Dark Thirty nothing to do with him he's seen it also no well he's um he's possibly John Connor, not confirmed, and it involves a trip into the future. So I'm assuming, no, Jason Clarke is about, I think he's 44, which means that Sarah Connor might be pulled into the future, and something

happens and Schwarzenegger's there and he's like, remember me? Remember when I was the biggest movie star in the world? Now I look like a hessian sack filled with potatoes and sawdust. Yep. Have you seen an early cut of the film? Is that how you know? That's how I know that. Yeah. So yeah, there you go.

There's a bit of casting news for you. Yep. Are you okay with that? Moving on! Oh, fuck it. It's fine. I guess I want to see

more Terminator stuff, but at the same time we've been burned twice before. I didn't hate three. You should have. Okay. Yeah.

Move on. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. The Avengers Age of Ultron hasn't had a lot of news for a while.

No. Have you noticed that? Well, it had that trailer that was just a voiceover. And some images. Great. But to be fair, that trailer was before they'd voiceover and some images great but to be fair that trailer was before they'd filmed anything okay so i was happy i was happy they made that and then released it i think the marvel marvel are really good at kind of giving the fans kind of little tidbits

and stuff even if you don't care there's a lot of stuff there you could there's a lot of they if they could use the whooping from comic-con they could power a city i think if they could use the whooping from Comic-Con, they could power a city, I think. If they could harness that. If they could harness the whooping, and then the trailer ends, and there's some whooping, and then the trailer starts up again, and everybody gets really quiet,

and they do a little extra thing, and then everybody starts whooping again, if they could harness that, boy. Our energy crisis would be over. Oh, thank God. And our corn crisis. Yep. oh thank god and our corn crisis yep blech

no good so anyway basically Don Cheadle has basically well it's been semi sort of confirmed

that he's going to be in the Avengers 80s I hope he's War Machine I hope he's not Iron Patriot that's not a good

that looks that works as a kind of Iron Patriot works as a visual gag ultimately in live action

but I don't think it I think I hope he's watching again yeah I'm going to tell you something that may surprise you

yep you're a racist that surprises you? no it doesn't surprise me at all I watched Iron Man 3 again on the weekend yep

I just happened to put it on and I didn't hate it I kind of went you know what this is okay it's got some pretty good moments yep there's a lot kind of went, you know what? This is okay. It's got some pretty good moments.

There's a lot of dumb moments, but you know what? I'd probably have been a bit too harsh on that film. I say, never be too harsh on a film, because it's just a film. What's it going to do? Beat up my dad? It might beat up your dad. He's a frail, sickly man. Okay.

So yeah. War Machine. I think it would only be briefly, because it's implied that... It's been said that Tony Stark has a hand in creating Ultron, so it only would make sense that Don Cheadle's there. Yeah. I mean, you can see sort of some... I guess they just made them for continuity's sake,

but you can see production stills of the War Machine armour that is an Iron Patriot. It's in sort of navy blue and grey, and that actually looks really good. Cool, yeah. Well, you'd think he should upgrade his armour at some point. Yeah, because Iron Man does it every 40 seconds. Because that's Mark 3, that armour, is it? That was the 2. Because wasn't it, there was Cave Cave and then there was that one.

I think, I understand that Tony Stark built, he built the Iron Patriot from scratch. Yeah. I think that is a new model. Oh, okay. It's an Iron Man 3. Okay. And then the US Army tweaked it and then AIM got into it. Yeah.

You'd think he'd learned his lesson from last time. You would think. Remember in Iron Man 2 when the Hammer Industries took it over and then this one, AIM took it over? Yeah. Idiots. Crazy days. Yeah. What does AIM stand for? Advanced Lighting Mechanics. too and the hammer industries took it over and then this one took it over idiots crazy days what does aim stand for

advanced idea mechanics well done thank you I didn't know that I mean I knew that

I've got a lot of information that's pushed out actually important like friends birthdays and things like

when you should drink water and stuff when I should drink water and eat and stuff yeah

basic social interaction. That's all gone. Who remembers phone numbers? But boy, I know all the versions of the SHIELD acronym. You better believe I know all of them. One more piece of news, basically. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 got another trailer this week. International.

Showed a lot more new footage. Don't know if you saw it. Didn't. I didn't mind it. Okay. I still think that movie looks pretty good. Okay. But!

Amazing, Amazing Spider, this is amazing, Amazing Spider-Man news on my part. Switched it on, watched about 10 seconds, switched it off again.

Couldn't do it. I'll get to it eventually, but I couldn't do it. But before we, before we, it just felt dreary. Yeah. It felt sad.

I can't even remember the start. Oh yeah, Peter's parents are like, Peter, we've got to run away. Yep. And then, felt dreary. Yeah. It felt sad. I can't even remember the start. Oh, yeah, Peter's parents are like, Peter, we've got to run away. Yep. And then... Switch it off. Yeah. Drink some water.

Great. Good for the podcast. Shall I leave this in? You should definitely leave it in, yeah. Hmm. So, basically, two amazing Spider-Man spin-off films that they've been threatening

for a while have been announced. They've been threatening the general public they've been threatening to throw them in the water supply one is one I can understand is it Venom?

it is Venom great nothing nothing about nothing no specifics so I would say

they're probably going to do Flash Thompson Venom Agent Venom whatever he's called he's the secret avenger what's he called? is his name Agent Venom? he's called he's a secret Avenger what's his name

Agent Venom yeah I think he's a really interesting character because you know isn't he missing a leg or something he's missing both legs

oh he's both legs and he can only keep it on for like 48 hours otherwise he permanently bonds with it it goes crazy Venom style Venom styles

okay so what's the other one the other one is the Sinister Six as a spin off movie as a spin off movie like an Ocean's Eleven except one is the Sinister Six as a spin-off movie as a spin-off movie like an Ocean's Eleven except it's a Sinister Six

you think they're going to turn over a casino I would watch that would you watch that absolutely I would but you know what it's a weird choice when I heard that

I went that's strange but they don't have a hell of a lot of characters to pull from yeah yeah and there's never I don't think there's ever been a movie

where it's purely focused on the villains no that's true and so at the very least I'd like to see it just to see what happens I mean there's ever been a movie where it's purely focused on the villains no that's true and so i at the very least i'd like to see it just to see what happens i mean there's um there's a few there's a few really good sort of crime superhero book crime super villain books yeah there's uh there's one called actually called super crooks i think it might be mark miller probably it's yeah but it's it's uh you know it but it's villains attempting a heist.

I would definitely watch that. Cool. There's one, it's not really superhero based, but it's called The Last Days of American Crime, which is sort of where the government attempts to create a signal that will prevent people in America from committing crimes at all. And these guys who have to sort of get together and commit the last crime in America while they still have the chance.

Which is actually really clever. It's not a superhero theme, but you should check it out. I will check it out. Me. The one listener that is on board with the things that I say. Baked Boons.

Baked Boons. Baked Boons, sorry, mate. I'm sorry I blocked you before. We're friends again, right? Who's a good dude? I would definitely see a Sinister Six themed sort of crime heist film. But I think it would be great if there was a scene where they build the team and then

they develop a huge elaborate scheme and then they go into the casino and one of them gets bumped and he's like, I'll kill you all! And then it's just lightning bolts and poison gas and then it's just mayhem. I think that would be fun. That would be great. I'm sure Spider-Man would make an appearance in this, right? I hope so. I'd imagine.

I don't care. Do you reckon one of the villains will turn good? Do you know Doc Ock is Spider-Man at the moment? Correct. Or whatever's going on there? Oh, yeah. I haven't read any of that. Some people hate it, some people love it.

Some people say it's one of the best Spider-Man runs ever. It's been going quite a long time. Yeah. I really want to read it. Well, a few years ago, if you'd said, in Captain America, Captain America's going to die, and then he won't be in the book for over a year, people would say, well, that would never work. But I think it's a testament to a lot of good writers that they can do that. I like the way when they kill somebody, they do it for a while, because I think they learned

that from the death of Superman, where he was dead for three or four issues, or not even, whatever it was, and then he was back, and it turns out he wasn't really dead that's true he just ran out of energy or whatever that was god that book is garbage i know there's there is some good stuff in that book but that book is so overrated what's superman death of superman oh right okay and you know what it doesn't work even going back to it because there's a whole lot of other stuff that's they talk about in there and lex luther's got hair that just continually grows and he's a whole lot of other stuff that they talk about in there. And Lex Luthor's got hair that just continually grows and he's a clone of himself. Yeah, he's a clone.

He lived in Australia for a while. He has an Australian accent. You can't really tell that from the book. And if you... Going back to that, it makes zero sense. What I do like about that, though, is all the Supermans that take over. That part is interesting. The Supermans.

The Supermans, yeah. You know what? It's not that bad, but there's a lot of stuff in there that doesn't work. Superboy's incredible fade haircut. That works. It still totally works. You notice the fade haircut came back? Yeah.

It got there, didn't it? It did, yeah. I'm so happy. Should I get one? Yes. On top of the one you already have. Yes. Yeah, look.

As for the Venom movie, though, they actually attempted this before. They were talking about a Venom spin-off a few years ago. I can't remember the director I looked up before this was who was going to do it. But they were going to do it in like 2009. But Venom, if you remember from Spider-Man 3, Sam Raimi made it very clear that he was obliterated. Absolutely, yeah. Because if you look at that explosion... You see all his bones. You see his bones, yeah. So he's just... So I don't know how they would have even worked

that in. It probably may be a different universe or whatever. You know, who knows? So maybe that'll turn out really well. People love an anti-hero, don't they? Wolverine. Wolverine, there we go. That's it. Just the one.

Just old Hubert Jackman. He's so charming. Everybody loves Ghost Rider in the movie, don't they? No. Did you watch Spirit of Vengeance? Yes. And? It's better than the first one.

Did you watch The Spirit? Oh, five minutes of it. That's not a turn off. We attempted that. We attempted that. That was another ten minutes and then turn it off. Rough. Maybe it's okay.

I don't think so. Maybe if you're drunk it's okay. Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, well, Spirit of Vengeance is quite good. Okay. I mean, not good, but... Idris Elba's in it. Yeah. He pe spirit of vengeance quite good okay i mean not good but uh idris elba's in it yeah uh he pees fire at one point idris elba yeah it's in this is the deleted

it's in the blooper reel it's pretty great but this no they reveal the last it's one of those movies where like the last piece of action is in the trailer like the very final piece okay that's it on the motorbikes no it's the bit where he he ties a chain to a guy and he flings him up into the air and then he grabs the chain

like he like a like 50-60 feet of chain plays out and then he grabs it and then he throws the guy back into the earth that's where he

he crashes the the actual the main villain back to hell ah they put that in the trailer it looks like he's just beating up a guy

but they that's the main villain they spoil it yeah do you remember with the it looks like he's just beating up a guy that's the main villain do you remember with the ghost rider spirit of the first one whatever it's called

just ghost rider just ghost rider ghost riders only they were talking up the bit where ghost rider fights a helicopter and that scene

is basically he's on top of a building and ghost rider whips the helicopter just waggles the chain pulls it in

a little bit and then's like beat it helicopter and they waggles the chain through it. Yeah, pulls it in a little bit and then is like, beat it, helicopter. And they're like, oh, get out of here. And they leave. There's no fight. There's no fight at all.

He just whips the helicopter. Okay, we're going to check this off your list of personal issues that you're working through on this podcast. Angry in the part where Ghost Rider fights a helicopter. We did it.

Okay. That's your one for the episode. That's it. We he goes around and fights a helicopter. We did it. Okay. All right. That's your one for the episode. That's it. Okay. We've got a bit of time left.

Uh-huh. So we can't end it here. Do you want to talk about something else? Let's talk about something else. What have you got, mate?

Well, I thought maybe comic book movies are very popular, yes? Yes, for now. There's a... One of these you'll see is huddled around like a bin fire.

I got an oil drum. We got like fingerless gloves and like a hat. It's got like the top has been cut out. But basically, I thought we could talk about the dumbest moments in comic book movies. There can't be any of those. Wow, that's what I thought. But then I used the internet and I was informed otherwise. Okay. Internet's got everything. This is... Yeah, it really does. That's what I thought But then I used The internet And I was informed Otherwise Okay

Internet's got everything This is Yeah it really does This is So I guess this whole Rest of this episode Could be about My personal grudges

Against Specific things I'm on board We could tick off A whole bunch of other stuff Great Because even the best Comic book movies

Have nonsensical scenes The whole How it should have ended Series Is based Around that They're pretty great They're really good Stop listening to this Watch something else Yeah the whole how it should have ended series is based around that they're pretty great they're really good

stop listening to this watch something else good point come back to this well some of the ones I wanted to talk about they talk about in that

they do it way better than I ever could so I'm like what's the point of even talking about that your animations are pretty good but they're no I can't animate for shit

those guys are amazing if listeners have not seen the video which one is it with the Hitler which video of yours with Hitler in it oh that one's

what is it bloody Return of the Jedi why Han Solo should die oh okay that one watch that because there's a great little bit of animation

in that it's not really animation I've just put Hitler's face over someone else's face it's not that's pretty great though yeah but anyway we're going to give this a whirl sure I've got a few here yeah over someone else's face. That's pretty great, though. Yeah.

But anyway, we're going to give this a whirl. Sure. I've got a few here. Yeah. I'm sure you could probably think of one at least. Ooh. Do you want to start or do you want me to start? I think you should start.

I've got a great one here. You've got the iPad there. I've got a crap scene from a crap movie. Great. You ready for this? Yes. Wolverine Origins. Great film. You're wrong.

That is easily the worst X-Men movie. Yep. Possibly even the worst movie. No. Yeah. Yeah. There's not a lot of redeeming moments in that movie. Are you picking just one here?

Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot. Is it the boxing match where he fights the guy for notes? Like, I'll tell you the information if you put me in a... It's like a terrible video game. Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot. Is it the boxing match where he fights the guy for notes? Like, I'll tell you the information if you put me in a... It's like a terrible video game. Yeah, it is, yeah. If you put me in the boxing match, I'll tell you what you need to know, whatever it was. Yeah, the video game of that is actually really good.

The Wolverine Origins video game. It's like a God of War style. And as you get injured, your skin comes off and you can see your bones. Ooh, okay. Yeah, and his clothes get torn and stuff. But they don't heal back because... They're clothes. They're clothes, yeah. Anyway, there his clothes get torn and stuff, but they don't heal back because... They're clothes. They're clothes.

Yeah. Anyway, there's a scene in that movie... It's the part where he gets shot twice through the head with adamantium bullets, and it just erases his memory. Yes. That is the one? Now, look, that's it. Look, it would make sense that... Well, it doesn't make sense, but if he got hit with an adamantium bullet, there's a chance

that that could do something to his memory, if it pierced his brain. Yes. Right? But, there's a chance that that could do something to his memory if it pierced his brain. Yes. Right? But there's a scene before that. He'd put all his memories on the wall behind him because he'd be dead. There's a scene before that where the bad guy, Striker, says he puts adamantium bullets in a gun and a guy goes to him, that's not going to kill him, sir. And he goes, no, but he'll lose all his memories.

Great. How do you know that? You know. How do you know that? Uh-huh. Well, you know, brain. Brain is where the memories is. Sure. Yeah. Brain is where the heart is. Yeah, absolutely. And then he wakes up and he's like, who am I? Where am I? What happened? And it's this rattling noise. I hear two things rattling around in my head for the rest of my life. And I'm going to tell you another reason why that's terrible. Because there's two bullet holes in his head? Yes. For the rest of his life.

For the rest of his life. Because if you look at X-Men 1... I do. There's a scene where they X-ray Wolverine. And I went back and checked this. And the adamantum bullets are obviously not in his head. Why would you check that? Because I wanted to make sure that I was right.

Do you think that the creators of X-Men 1 thought, you know what we might need in the future is two adamantium bullets inside his head? I have nothing against X-Men 1. That's not X-Men 1's fault. That's the person who made Wolverine Origins Gavin Hood's fault for not thinking about that. Because if I thought of that, and I'm not a filmmaker in any way or good at anything, I'm essentially a fucking idiot. Yeah.

And I figured that out. That's true. Then he should know better. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Or whoever wrote that should know better. He has at least two or as many as four holes in his head. Yeah.

And nothing ever leaks out. No. What's going on there? Maybe the adamantium grew back. Don't know. Didn't you once tell me that before it was revealed that Wolverine had bone claws? Yeah. That he had some kind of mechanism in his wrists?

I remember that. Is this true? In the old Wolverine comics, and by old I mean in the 90s, there's a scene where he goes through, like, he goes through, like, Japanese, like, the airport. He goes through customs. Sure. And he sets off a metal detector, obviously. He's got, like, a card from S.H.I.E.L.D. so he can go through.

And they're like, what's going on? And he puts his hand into the x-ray machine. And I'm pretty sure you can see, like, cybernetic, like, bionic mechanisms that project the claws out. Because I think the assumption was pre him getting all the adamantium pulled out of his body that the adamantium was added as were mechanical claws.

Okay. There you go. So they obviously retconned that. They did, yeah. Because you hate bone claws, don't you? No, I'm not... Maybe it's not you. Certainly someone does. Baked bones. I think somebody on the internet probably hates them. Yeah.

And somebody loves them. They look dumb. They look really dumb. But there is actually... You're funny, Steve. Also, animals don't really have bone claws. What about birds? No.

What about wolverines? Oh, yeah, good point. All wolverines have retractable bone claws. That claw's made out of carrots and white nails. Yeah. Oh, yeah. good point. All Wolverines have retractable bone claws. That claw's made out of carrots and black nails. Yeah, oh, yeah. There you go. Yeah, it is dumb.

You're right. We've solved that mystery. We have, haven't we? Have we? Yeah, we did that. It's good, though. I've got another one if you want me to say it. Yeah, okay, I'm ready. All right.

No, you haven't seen this movie. I'll just drink my water. Maybe I have seen it, though. You know my track record. I've seen all kinds of movies. You've just said this very episode that you have not seen it. You know my track record. I've seen all kinds of movies. You've just said this very episode that you have not seen it. Oh, okay, right. I've jumped the gun.

I've had unwarranted confidence and I apologise. The Amazing Spider-Man. I've seen it, no I haven't. You've seen that 10 seconds. Was it in the first 10 seconds? No. Okay. There's a bit in that movie where Peter Parker, after he fights the lizard, and he goes to Kurt Connors, who is the lizard, who he knows has been working with lizards, and

regrowing lizards. Smallville syndrome. Yeah, exactly. And he's like, excuse me, Dr. Connors. And the doctor turns around, and he's kind of thinning on one side of his hair, and he's got scales down his neck. And he's like, blah! He's like that, and he's like, could's like that and he's like could you tell me

how to kill a giant lizard and he's like why do you want to know about lizards lizards are the they're the greatest and Peter Parker's like

I wish I was a lizard I am a lizard and Peter Parker's like okay that's interesting alright alright makes sense and then Connors leaves

and then you think I thought when I saw this, oh, he's tweaked. Uh-huh. Yeah, because he's just playing along. Right. But then he looks down and he sees a rat that he was experimenting on, or a mouse, and he sees that it's turned into a half-lizard, half-rat. And then you see him go, oh my god, and not like the penny dropped.

Why did it take that point, the penny dropped? So, just... You're supposed to be smart, Peter Parker! Ha ha! That's a good point. Rant over? Yes. Okay having not seen it does he does Kurt Connors arm when he becomes human again does his arm

drop off? Yeah his arm drops off. Okay right right right. Maybe that's it. But he's talking about limb regeneration and all this kind of stuff and even then why isn't Kurt Connors like oh Kurt Connors should also who's also a very smart man, figure out that Peter Parker is Spider-Man.

Because why would he be asking him about that? He just likes lizards. You know? It's like... I don't know. You know what it is? It's missing. Oh, that's the thing.

It's like Clark Kent's glasses. It's like... If you see someone with scales on their neck, ranting about lizards and how great lizards are, and how lizards have no natural presence. I have no defence. As one of the producers of the film, I apologise. But that is, Missing Arm is kind of a, it's a semi-legit defence.

It's like, are you familiar with the Red Hulk? Yeah. The Red Hulk is Green Hulk's father-in-law. He gets hotter as he gets angry, is that right? Like sexier. Yeah, hotter as he gets angry, is that right? Like, sexier. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Thunderbolt Ross, his alter ego, big military moustache,

Red Hulk and no moustache. Ah! Yeah. Where does the moustache go? Hmm. Yeah. It drops off, I assume. Maybe he shaves it.

Like a lizard arm. Yeah. Like a lizard arm. There you go. I've got another thing from The Amazing Spider-Man, though. Okay, great. There's a bit at the end where the lizard decides that he wants to turn everybody in the city into lizards.

Fantastic. Because he loves lizards. Yep. First of all... Because he drops some lizards into the water supply. Because that's what I would do. That is my... That's my go-to, pretty much, as we know.

So, basically, his plan is... He smashes a terrarium. Smashes a terrarium. No, he launches, basically, the lizard gas into the air. What's lizard gas? And he's going to, in like a... Well, it's essentially, it's like a mortar. And it launches into the air and then everybody would get gassed.

Because he's like, lizards are the best and everybody should be a lizard. And Peter Parker's like, why does he keep saying this? God, what do you mean, Dr. Connors? And so, basically, obviously, Peter Parker stops you if it's a terrible plan or whatever. But he's supposed to be an incredibly intelligent man. Being a lizard is not the best. Being a lizard is worse, for one. Also, it has been proven that the lizard gas is not permanent

because he keeps reverting back to his human form. So that would have lasted maybe 24 hours. And then everybody would have turned back and go, remember that time I turned into a lizard? Yeah.

It was pretty wild. It was fucking weird. Yeah. So, that's another thing I don't like. Logical fallacy. There you go.

There's not a scene where he's like, oh, I've perfected this now. Oh, you know what? There might be. Doesn't matter. There's not. No.

Yeah. It's not a good idea. Should have been made very clear. Yeah. And just, yeah, also put it in the water supply. Why climb a giant building and launch. No. Yeah. It's not a good idea. Should have been made very clear. Yeah. And just, yeah, also put it in the water supply. Why climb a giant building and launch it off?

Yeah. I don't know. Uh-huh. You got one? I got one. Let me think of one. How about The Punisher? Thomas Jane's The Punisher.

Love it! 2004 or thereabouts, maybe. I don't know. It doesn't matter. Yeah, sounds about right. It's not great, certainly. Sure. I think we've established that

in previous podcasts. We've talked about it in worst comic book movies great or maybe with some with one redeeming feature or something oh yeah

it was underrated comic book movies there we go it's our first podcast what oh how the time's flown hey sure have

yeah now we're millionaires what do we even do it it's hard to even reach the the controls with wearing our gold tuxedos. You know what? That movie reaches a dumbness crescendo

with right at the end where he develops the elaborate plan to get John Travolta as John Travolta. Yep. Crime boss John Travolta. And there's a lot of dumbness and I'm sure we've covered a bit with the shirt, with the skull shirt.

He's like, no dad dad maybe you can wear this and he's like I don't know where I'd wear that except if my family was murdered dad you're funny but right at the end he gets John Travolta and he's going to get him and he's developed this elaborate plot

I'd love to get John Travolta all the pieces have fallen into place all the pieces have fallen into place. I hate John Travolta. Sorry, go on. All the pieces have fallen into place, and then John Travolta gets caught in the middle of an explosion of multiple cars which form the Punisher skull face. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing,

and if I had any non-comic book fan friends to take to that movie, they would have been embarrassed as well. Luckily. I'm going to throw something, they would have been embarrassed as well. Luckily. I'm going to throw something out there. Yes. Into the ether. Uh-huh. Maybe it was a coincidence.

I think it's a really good point. It's a really good point, actually. Yeah. Yeah. That is dumb. But I think I said this to you before. Is it dumber than Bruce Wayne painting the bat symbol in fuel on the side of a bridge in The Dark Knight Rises when he probably should have

been doing something else. He could have been doing almost anything else. You're right. Yeah. No, because that's symbolic. Because you know the people are going to see that.

Ah, yeah, yeah. But this, nobody's seeing that. Unless you're in a helicopter immediately above the parking lot, you're not going to see that. If that was me... What a waste of time. If that was me in the helicopter,

I'd be like, that's just for me. What a nice guy. This is a moment that he's crafted just for me. I retract my entire argument. You're right. Maybe it was for his family in heaven to see it. You're right.

You're right. His kid's in hell. I was going to say his kid's in hell. His kid's in hell. For poor fashion choices. Yeah. I got another one. I'm ready. You remember the movie 300? Yes. A very popular movie.

You know what's still a raging debate on the internet about 300? Real muscles or fake muscles? Yeah. Yeah. Does it matter? I don't know. You want to try that Spartan diet though. Get those abs.

Get those abs. Get that V. That V. V down the bottom there. I think Jerry Butler. Yes. Who I like. Well, you call him Jerry.

Jerry Butler. Who's the King Leonidas he worked out for something like nine months and look he probably will say otherwise but he must have roided up for that yeah yeah

because you cannot get that big naturally but he's because I've seen like behind the scenes footage of that which I constantly watch right

on a loop and he looks like that naturally so maybe they did a bit of CGI muscles for some of the other guys. Yeah, yeah. David Wenham, certainly. Yeah.

No way. No way, David Wenham. Are you saying David Wenham is a soft-faced, soft-bellied, pale red-haired goon? I'm saying all of those things. Cut that, Wenham. You know what I love about David Wenham? What's that? In interviews, he clearly has no interest or knowledge of the movies he was in.

Like, I remember there's a bit where he's talking about his character from Lord of the Rings, and he's just like, you know, it's an adventure, I guess. Adventure, yeah. Good actor. I like him, don't get me wrong. But yeah, he just doesn't care. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. They got me to hold the scepter or something. I don't know. Was it a scepter or was it pool cue? It doesn't matter. Were we playing pool that day? I don't know. Anyway, I thought they should have really put a little fence around that well that that

guy gets kicked in. Yeah. That's my movie mistake for that. Because there's kids running around. That's a dumb movie moment. You're right. You're right. Just a little hand.

Just a rail. Yeah. Maybe a sign. Yeah. Yeah. Don't fall down the well. I feel like I shouldn't have brought this up, because I thought it would be funnier than it is.

No, I say it's not that funny. It's not that funny. I think the failure of the bit is funny in itself. What I like to think is you've come up with this idea for this episode with the sole purpose of putting that guy in, and it's kind of fallen a little bit flat. But now that we've acknowledged it... Now you have to sit with it. It's funny.

Yeah. Right? It's great. Cool. It's pretty good. I got a real one, though. Okay. You've seen The Fantastic Four. Oh, we're not going to do another 300? I don't really have one. Okay. Sorry. No, that's fine. That's fine. Was there magic in that? It was a mutant.

You know what, though? The whole thing about that movie is that it's basically David Wynnum telling the story. And David Wynnum is a storyteller in that. He's the guy who tells all the tall tales. He's certainly a storyteller in real life. He sure is. That was in this movie, I think. And so a lot of it he possibly elaborated how there were monsters.

It's like Big Fish. Yeah, it's like Big Fish, except good. I don't care who says it. That movie is not good. Big Fish is not a good movie. You're right. And if your dad was a guy who constantly lies, you shouldn't love him. You should throw him off a cliff.

Yep, definitely. Or drown him. Yeah. Which I think happens at the end of that movie. Do you remember? He drowns his dad. Billy Crudup brings his dad. Well, Billy Crudup's dad dies in the hospital.

The liar. Uh-huh. And then he takes him. But the story he dad dies in the hospital, the liar, and then he takes him, but the story he tells is, I took you to the river and then you turned into a big fish and you swam away. Right. But really you just died in the hospital bed. That's how we're all going to go.

You're going to die, like probably, like a hang gliding accident. Definitely. That's, that's, well that's why I never go skydiving. Ah. Because I would. Because you're constantly hang gliding. Well because I'm constantly hang gliding, Well, because I'm constantly hang gliding. I'm really busy with the hang gliding.

I got my new Pro Glider 4000. It's carbon fibre. It's fluoride. Yeah, but I will never go skydiving because it seems safe and people know what they're doing. It doesn't seem safe. But I'll get there and I'll pull the cord and nothing will happen. And I'll pull the reserve chute and nothing will happen. And I'll go, well, I did this, didn't I?

I paid $500 to kill myself, to short my life by 30, 40 years. Because I'm a massive idiot. I'd like it that you pull the cord and then a whole lot of spiders come out. Yeah, great. And you pull the other cord and then you catch fire. Great, yep. Yep, love us then you fall into a pile

of broken glass yeah yeah yeah and then it cuts to like a guy and he's sitting at a bench and he's like mmm time for my lunch of spiders

and pyrotechnics and he pops it open and a and a parachute comes out and he's like oh man worst day ever! I lost my train of thought.

That was great. Oh, that's right, Big Fish. I'm glad I write everything down. That's not what we were talking about. You know what's a great movie like Little Fish with Cate Blanchett? It's like a heroin story. Hugo Weaving's in it. Heroin with no E.

Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, no, it's about heroin, the drug. Yeah, is that without the E? Yeah, that is without the E. Yeah, it's amazing stuff. We have fun with words, don't we? I'm such an idiot. Okay, um, Fantastic Four, though, that's not a good movie in any way. Absolutely not. Are you saying it has a

dumb moment in it? Is it the part where they team up all at the end with teamwork? That part. And they're all like, hey guys, remember when we didn't use teamwork for the rest of the film? Let's use teamwork now. And all of New York's like, yeah, we're from New York. We love teamwork. Forget about it. You know?

That was such... There's also a bit, this just came to me then, where Chris Evans, he goes, he's testing out his hotness, how hot he can get at the start. And they're like, stop, you're going to go supernova, you're going to kill everybody. And then at the end with Doctor Doom they're like hey remember how you said not to do that thing

because we thought it would kill everybody just do that now even though there's a lot of people around we haven't done any further testing on this but we're pretty sure

like I've had a bit of a think probably be fine I'm a scientist I guess yeah yeah basically I mean no one will give me funding or any assistance

so potentially I'm not a very good oh I did put you in any assistance, so potentially I'm not a very good... Oh, I did put you in that cosmic radiation event, so I'm probably not a very good or safe scientist. This guy we're fighting? I did that. Yeah, yeah. So just do it anyway.

It's fine. But yeah, so basically there's a bit near the start where they all get their powers, and the thing's like, I'm a monster! And he runs out to a bridge, And he's standing on the bridge. And he's like, oh, life sucks. And then a bird poos on him. And presumably somebody laughed somewhere. And then a guy is about to commit suicide off the bridge.

And the thing's like, don't do it, man. And then the guy's like, whoa. And he falls off the bridge. And he causes a massive traffic accident. And then a truck's about to hit him. And the thing smashes the truck. And then all the traffic piles up and then the other Fantastic Four members arrive

and some people are about to die or something and then the Fantastic Four saves them and then everybody claps. Because they're heroes. He caused that! Yeah, he's the villain, ultimately. They all caused... That's their fault.

They shouldn't clap. They should go, You're lucky. You should have really fucked up. And you barely pulled this together. We're putting you in jail forever together we're putting you in jail forever we're putting you in super jail

that's exactly it's the equivalent it's basically when did Unbreakable come out did it come out before that never seen it but yes you've seen Unbreakable I've never seen it

really I think it might have been 2001, 2002 huh yeah I've never seen it well anyway spoiler alert Samuel L. Jackson

blows up some trains yeah to sort of ferret out Bruce Willis. Goes to jail. I mean, he goes to jail in a text box at the end of the film for some reason. They don't actually show that. They're like, and he went to jail forever. But yeah, it's the same thing. They wouldn't be like, oh, well, you found Bruce Willis.

You're a hero. You did this. Yeah. Jail. Super jail. It seems the tables have turned. I have seen a film that you haven't seen. Which completely balances out the 400 films that I haven't seen

that I should have seen at this point in my life. That's fair. We've been talking about a breakable sequel for a few years. It's not going to happen. It won't. That's about superheroes, though, isn't it? Ah, yeah. So sort of loosely, roughly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were talking about, we might do a podcast about superhero movies that aren't based on comics. I'd love to do that. Yeah. That's a good idea for me. That could be one of those ones because it is. Yeah. People love it.

I don't think it's great, but whatever. On with the show? Yeah, on with the show, mate. I just want to quickly talk about this one because there's nothing to say about it. You've seen Elektra? Yes. There's a guy in it whose tattoos come to life. Yeah, magic tattoos, show, mate. I just want to quickly talk about this one because there's nothing to say about it. You've seen Elektra? Yes. There's a guy in it whose tattoos come to life. Yeah, magic tattoos, sure.

Never explained. There's nothing else like that in that movie universe. Yep. Makes zero sense. Great. I've not... No, that's good. That's good.

Short and sweet. Get the information... You know, put the information out there. People make up their own minds. Maybe it does make sense. Yeah. It doesn't though. No.

Do you have another one? Or do you want me to do another one? Let me think. Man of Steel. You know I love that film. I know you do. I enjoy Man of Steel. It's my one and only Superman movie that I enjoy.

Remember the bit? Yes. Do you remember the bit? Yes. Where Jonathan Kent dies saving the dog. Yes, I do. Why would he do that? I could send

the indestructible son in. Or? Or go in. Because he's a farmer too. Yeah. They don't care about their dog. That's true.

I apologise to all the farmers listening to you. My dad grew up on a farm and he would put a bullet in a dog's head and a heartbeat. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Exactly. He'd be like, hey, Fido, come in for the night come in mate come on oh he's not coming in

better shoot him yeah yeah I had an uncle who worked on a farm or grew up on a farm his dog went into a fox

warren thing is that what foxes live in den fox hole yeah and he went to dig it out and he put a crowbar

straight through his dog and he's just like oh well are you serious yeah yeah, yeah. That's horrible. That's true. What's wrong with you? Yeah, yeah. But you can't kill an animal in a movie and on a Hollywood film. No. And that's just a point in death. Yeah. Does the dog survive that? I can't remember. What were we talking about? Man of Steel. Yeah. Yeah, probably. But the dad certainly dies. I think the dog runs dog runs off yeah and there's a bit where as well where um

now I think that scene is quite moving in the sense that he does die and that's because I think a lot of that to do is with the score yeah yeah but that whole thing

is ridiculous and the fact that he puts his hand up and he's like don't save me yeah yeah and then the tornado just whips through him

he would have saved him yeah if that was my dad I'd be like let's just do this I know you killed that dog that time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But you would. And he's fast enough that he could. I mean, even though he was younger then, I guess maybe his powers weren't as developed. But he could have saved him. Yeah, yeah. Would you have saved your dad from a tornado? Well, I mean, that's how your dad died. So I know this is a sore point for you.

It is kind of a sore point, yeah. Thanks, buddy. I mean, I did put him in the path of the tornado, so logically I probably wouldn't. It'd be a bit, it'd be counterproductive. I'm going to do like a community service announcement here, do you mind? I'm ready, go ahead. You know how they all go under the bridge in that? Yep.

To save themselves. Red Hot Chili Peppers star. Just like that. Heroin. That's what that song's about. Ooh. You know what I like about Red Hot Chili Peppers? They've had two singles

And they keep rehashing They've done that For the last 25 years They've got the one That goes Flip-a-dip-a-dip Flip-a-dip-a-dip-a-dip-dip Right

And then they've got The one that's about California The slow one And that's it And they just switch it Back and forth And nobody's noticed I've noticed RHCP

I've noticed Yeah RHCP Anyway What's your point about it The point is In Tornadoes I read this on Cracked.com The website So if you do this And you die I noticed yeah AHCP anyway what's your point about it the point is in tornadoes I read this on

cracks.com the website so if you do this and you die put this on there that is riddled with inaccuracies I don't care

basically you're not supposed to go under a bridge to survive a tornado because you're basically the wind gets funneled in there and it will just

whip you right out and kill you that's a good point it'll probably just whip you into the bottom of the bridge that would that'd do it

so yeah community service announcement guys do that or don't do that or don't do that actually you know what point. He'll probably just whip you into the bottom of the bridge. That would do it. Community service announcement, guys. Do that or don't do that. Don't do that. Actually, you know what? Make up your

own vibe. I don't want to be responsible. Just flail around screaming. It's fine. That's fine. We don't really

get tornadoes here, do we? No. It's great. We get like cyclones and shit. Not the same.

No. It's not as cool. No, it's not as cool. They're teeny tiny. They're like the

width of a man. You can just walk around them. No. What are those? You know, those big cyclone. They're like the width of a man. You can just walk around them. No, what are those? You know, those big cyclone tropical-y things. Storms. Those ones. Oh.

You know, you see them on radars. Boy, do I. Yeah, you do. Yeah. Where were we? Doesn't matter. Okay, I got another one. Spider-Man 2.

Yep. Which I know you hate. Yep. But I love this. The spidering. The spidering. There's a bit in that movie. Well, there's a whole's a bit in that movie.

Well, there's a whole series of scenes in that movie that don't really make a lot of sense. For example, there's the one where Peter Parker's at the bank and Doc Ock is turfing bags of gold coin at him. Now, I'm not American. I hope to be one day. You like to play one on TV. When I assume someone's identity. Yes, I'll play one on TV. But they don't have bags of gold coins. Correct.

I mean, maybe they do. Is it the Franklin Mint Commemorative Bank? Because maybe that's what it is. Maybe they're

gold coins with the face of NASCAR drivers on them. Okay. Yeah. But I don't think really.

No, they don't have. No. Yeah. Why would they? Why would they? I mean, they have silver dollars, but

that's not the same. Yeah, no. And would they have that many bags of them? Unlikely. Silver dollars that they've sprayed gold. Seems very unlikely, you're right.

Yeah, there's also in that movie Doc Ock and Peter Parker fight quite a bit and I like all those scenes even though the CGI in some of them doesn't hold up so well for some of it but they're still great and it's just basically Peter Parker

wailing on Doc Ock like punching him right in the face the thing is Peter Parker is a superhuman being correct

Doc Ock is a regular man with octopus arms drilled into him yeah with several hundred kilograms of octopus arms weighing him down but he's just a man

yep he could not take a punch from Spider-Man absolutely not that would kill him immediately he's got crazy strength though because he's got would kill him immediately. He's got crazy strength, though. Because he's gone crazy.

Doesn't matter. If you've got crazy strength, if a guy who can... What can he lift? 10 tons? Well, he can stop a train. Yeah, he can stop a train. He can stop a speeding train. Yeah.

So, if a guy hits you once... He's had to come around. And I know Peter Parker does pull his punches when he's fighting regular people because he would kill them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he could have he could have knocked him out

absolutely yeah yeah yeah there's a fine line there because I know you're we're both fans of in a movie you watch a movie

we're fans of watching a movie but you know there'll be a guard somewhere in it and the hero's like I've got to knock this guy out

to get past him and then he'll just crack him on the back of the skull with a gun butt or whatever. And you're like, that guy's dead. That guy's dead or severe brain trauma. There's no way. I see. Apparently it's very, very difficult to knock somebody out.

Yeah, without. And apparently it also goes for giving somebody an injection of something to knock them out. Yeah, yeah. You go too far. It's very specific. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why anesthesiologist is a proper job. That's a job.

It's a real job. That's a job you have, mate. You can't just wing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. So there's movie logic. Yeah, like, so whenever there's a scene where somebody gets, you know, shot with a tranquilizer dart and they just go down.

Yeah. Probably brain damage. Probably brain. Probably circulatory problems for the rest of their life. Also, you know. Blood clot in the brain. Landed a funny way, so your windpipe's twisted. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no. Blood clot in the brain. Landed a funny way so your windpipe's twisted. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dead. Yeah, dead. Batman kills a lot of guys, I bet. Oh, they fall off roofs and stuff. But again, he's found that logic loophole where he's like, I'm not going to kill you but I don't have to save you when I knocked you out and threw you off a roof.

What, are you not conscious enough to grab? Are you not conscious enough to grab... Are you not conscious enough to fire your grappling hook and escape? Oh, you don't have one of those? Because you're just a guy with a family? You didn't have time to build a grappling hook and regain consciousness? Guess you're dead.

Not my fault. Well, it's like you balance through with his Batmobile and his bloody... and his tumbler and he's just firing missiles. Yeah. And just

so many people dead. Yeah, let's talk about the Batman films. They've got some dumb moments. They sure do. I don't have any off the top of my head but do you know what I mean?

Well, I've got heaps. Good. First of all, why has he got the motorcycle inside the tumbler? In case. How would he have needed it? He wouldn't have needed that.

What are the odds? Well, he didn't. Did that what are the odds did the military build that in why do they need it they don't need it I'm sure we've mentioned these before I'm not going to

dwell on them but boy I don't think we have actually Dark Knight that is so that's such an elaborate plot

not only is it an elaborate plot but it is given birth to so many other elaborate plots it's hanging by a thread as far as

elaborate plots making sense goes. And it's just, people have seen that and thought, you know what we need to make our film, our action film great is a really elaborate plot where the band guy was, he was captured,

but his plan was to get captured all along. Because there's a bit as well in that movie where the Joker goes to fire a rocket at Harvey Dent who's in the van and the Batman Bill jumps in front of it. He could not have predicted that. Not at all. Because he wanted to be captured.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he couldn't have predicted that. I guess the idea is the Joker has so many tactical options in his head at any given moment. But no matter what he does he has a different endgame. So like if he killed Harvey Dent

he would have found another way to get captured or whatever. Yeah, yeah. But, dumb. Also, Batman Begins, remember the thing with the microwave generator? Yes. Where he's just going to microwave all the water in Gotham City and turn it into steam

and make everybody go mad? Yeah. That's an elaborate plot that doesn't make sense. Because all the water in your body would have got into steam and you'd die. You would have been microwaved. That thing was powerful after microwave all the water in Gotham City. Just microwave all the people in Gotham City. Easier.

A lot of metal in that city. There is. A lot of fires too, probably. It'd be great. Well, I think that thing about Batman not saving Ra's al Ghul, I think Batman would have saved him in the comics. Yeah. Because, well well he would have

attempted to anyway uh huh yeah I mean it's hard to make that work though in the real world where he has to save everybody yeah yeah which is where that movie

is set but yeah there are a lot of plot holes a very good trilogy I think but there are a lot of plot holes do you think there are better movies than the Spider-Man trilogy yes

I do yes you've got me on a technicality there. Also, Dark Knight Rises, what's the deal with the pit? Oh, the one he gets thrown down. Yeah, the pit that he gets thrown down. Are there guards up the top?

Nah, because he gets out. Where's the food come from? Do people deliver food? That's a really good question. Where's the food? It's like a pit from a different time. Yeah, it is. Yeah. And there's... Who put the pulley in?

Where'd the pulley system come from? And if there's a pulley system, why can't they build some stairs? Yep. You get a guy, you wrap him in a rope, you pull him up, and then he cuts some holes in the side of the wall. And you do that for a couple of weeks, and you've got some stairs.

And then you just walk up. And they check... The guards that deliver the food, do they check the wall every week? And they fill it in with putty if you've been cutting stairs in the wall. Maybe... Shut up! No, it's fine. Maybe it's like a self-exile.

What? It's not. No. You know what? I feel really bad that I didn't think of that. I feel like an idiot. You get some wood. Like, there's stuff there, right?

There's stuff at the bottom of the... You cut a hole, and you put a bit of wood in, and you've got a step. And then you do it again, and you've got a step. And then you do it again and you've got another step. And then you get up to the top and there's no guards. So then you go and you get some more rope or something. But you know what is up there?

There is a rope that he just drops in. There is a rope sitting there. Great. So Augusta Windung is going to... Could have saved them all, yes. That's amazing unless it's a metaphorical pit in which case I

apologize it's not no okay it's a literal pit okay great great well that that makes I don't

understand why people are people banging on about how did Batman get back into the city he's Batman he's got to have a way in even

though that that that Batman's an idiot yeah he could call Alfred yeah come pick him up yeah or anything like there's a there's a thousand ways

he could have got back into the city he would know he knows the streets and the secret tunnels he's street wise he's very street wise street smarts

he's a street shark but the other yeah go on just build some stairs guys all you get out I mean believe in yourself

certainly I think that's that's the video I'm going to wait for next week I'm going to take that bit

where you yell about steps and I'm going to turn it into a video and then it's going to have me explaining

how I'm going to do that in this video we do this podcast and I do enjoy it but it is nice to see where

I have small mental breakdowns and you turn them into amusing videos for the internet so I appreciate that you're welcome no problem okay

this is a big one in the how I should have ended I thought you were going to say how I met your mom I know I never said it before but there's a lot of plot holes in that

I'll tell you in Spider-Man in the Spider-Man series this is on the how it should have ended I did think this was the time so I'm claiming it great but basically about it, I'll tell you. In Spider-Man, in the Spider-Man series, this is on how it should have ended. I did think this was the time, so I'm claiming it.

Great. But basically, the Doc Ock gets killed, kills himself, trying to kill Peter Parker. Yep. Peter Parker jumps out of the way and the glider impales him

and he dies. You said Doc Ock, you mean Green Goblin. Oh God, Green Goblin, yeah. Edit point, not a real edit point. And he deserved it. And I'm glad he's dead.

Harry Osborn then goes two and three quarter movies thinking that Spider-Man stabbed his father to death. Right. Then. That's his modus operandi. Stabbings. After Spider-Man 3 where emo Peter Parker goes to confront Harry Osborn, they have a fight, and he gets beaten up, and then Peter Parker throws a goblin bomb at him, and it explodes right next to his face, blinds him in one eye, scars him for life.

Yep. Then, at the end of the movie, Peter Parker's like, I'm up against Sandman and Venom for some reason. I'm going to get belted. Can you help me? And he's like, not really. Because you fucked up my face. Look at me. Look at me.

I'm James Franco. Yeah. I'm ugly James Franco. And then, as Spider-Man leaves, Harry Osborn's butler comes in and goes, hey I forgot to tell you this But the night your father died I inspected his wounds And basically he was impaled on his own glider And Harry Osborn's like Oh cool, okay

But you would, you'd be mad You'd be mad, you'd be like Are you fucking kidding me? You've been collecting a paycheck For two and a half films That's a long time in whatever, whatever timeframe we have here. And he didn't say anything.

He's sort of a bitch. Yeah. Yeah. That's, how much angst would that have saved him? Yeah. Yeah. I want to talk about Spider-Man 4 one week as well.

Okay. Cause they nearly, they were going to make it. Ooh. Didn't end up doing it. Who were the villains? They were going to use Lizard. Okay.

So they did make it ultimately. Yeah. Great. They made something. Yeah. That's for sure. So they did make it, ultimately. Yeah. Great. They made something. Yeah. That's for sure. I've got one more. I'm ready.

I've actually got a few more. This is the Superman film series. Uh-huh. There are a stack of moments in those movies. No. No, there are. Zero sense. There's a bit in Superman 3, for example, where they're firing missiles at him and they're

watching him on a video game side-scrolling screen. Great. And they're hitting him with missiles. Was that a tie-in to a video game at the time? I'm pretty sure it wasn't. I'm sure there was, but I've never seen that video game. Okay. And I've played every video game.

Yeah. Except Duck Hunt. Huh. I've played Duck Hunt. I was going to say, a bit of a hole. Yeah. There's a bunch of stuff. And I'm not even talking about...

Did you know with Duck Hunt, like, the way the zapper worked? And I never realised this until an adult, but apparently kids figured this out, that it was the weird, the way the light sensor worked. The screen goes black? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So all you had to do was you could just stick the zapper under a lampshade or something and just pull a trigger and you could hit the targets every time. Because when you press the button, the screen flashes to black, except there's a white square where the duck is. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. And you can hit that square every time. Because when you press the button the screen flashes to black except

there's a white square where the duck is. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go. That's better than the Nintendo Wii. Yeah, I think so. I think so. But anyway, there's bits like where Superman erases Lois Lane's memory with a kiss.

Makes no sense. I'm going to let that slide. Yeah, well that, again, Superman 70s powers continuing really there's also there's another bit I had in my head oh where he reverses time yep

he has done that in the comics I'm gonna let that slide right okay right good there's a minor thing reversing all of time in the universe

by flying a bit but there's a bit in Superman 3 where he turns evil yep where because of computers because of computers no black kryptonite or kryptonite filled with tar okay there we go richard pryor gives him i don't know what's going on that movie yeah i hate that movie but um where superman um rebuild he knocks down the great wall of china or something knocks around the great wall of china I think it's in 3

it might not even be it doesn't matter and then he goes there and he rebuilds the wall by concentrating with his eyes yep

how you know that is not a defined Superman power in any sense that's true no no no

there's another bit in wouldn't that have been great at the end of Man of Steel though if he put Metropolis

back together with his eyes just by staring real hard I think people would have appreciated it yeah I think so yeah there's a bit in uh wouldn't that have been great at the end of man of steel though if he put metropolis back together with his eyes just by staring real hard i think people would have appreciated it yeah i think so yeah there's a bit in um there's also a bit in superman 2 at the end and i have no problem with this particular part because it actually makes sense because it's his oh so my dog's just coming actually come on leave this in leave this whole thing in he's having trouble with the dog. He doesn't... How did the dog open the door? That's weird.

God. Yeah. Anyway. He was running around in his denim overalls and the butt flap just popped open. He's like, oh no! And the dog kept running. Got a big leg of lamb in its mouth.

Stole all your beef jerky. I love that dog. My dad wants to shoot it though. Absolutely, why wouldn't you? So anyway, yeah. It's there, it's a dog. When you have a gun, every dog looks like a dog you should shoot. That's a proverb.

So basically, there's a... He's in the Fortress of Solitude, where he kind of uses it to his advantage, where he makes multiple supermen, and he kind of tricks them. And I'm okay with that, because it's basically a big crystal mirror. You're convincing yourself of a lot of things.

I'm saying that's... I'm fine with this. I'm saying that's... I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it. But then there's the bit where the guy goes to fly at him,

and he pulls an S off his shirt, and then throws it and it turns into a cellophane S yeah and wraps the guy up and then he falls down and then it disappears

uh huh and I have never seen that before or since uh huh I don't understand it yeah and it makes you angry I kinda like it

yeah good I just don't understand it yeah explain it to me. Well, Kryptonian. Good. Tailoring. Yep.

Holograms? Yeah, holograms. There we go. You came with the answer on your own. Good. Go for you. Go on you, buddy. What a journey.

Yeah. That's my last one, though. It's pretty good. You got anything else? Go out with a whimper. That's what I say. Always. No, I think stairs was my... Stairs. Yeah. it's pretty good you got anything else go out with a whimper that's what I say always no I think I think

I think stairs was my stairs yeah that's a good point yeah I think a lot of problems could be solved with stairs yeah yeah

yeah alright well that's it for this week that was pretty fun it was wasn't it yeah well you can hit us up you specifically Mason I will

weeklyplanetpod at gmail on twitter or facebook that's the one you actually gave me the pep talk before I said we can streamline this believe in yourself

because you ramble I bet we get no correspondence this week because people don't understand it I gotta check that email more actually

I don't check it enough do you check it? no angry correspondence that's what I love send us some angry correspondence whatever medium you like it's fine

twitter's probably the best place to find us that's what you say yes my twitter also specifically is mrthesundaymovies that's the one I check the most Respondents. Whatever medium you like, it's fine. Twitter's probably the best place to find us, that would you say? Yes. My Twitter also, specifically, is MrSundayMovies. That's the one I check the most.

And yours is WikipediaBrown. Correct. Hit us up. Yeah. Hit us down. Yeah. If you have any more ideas for episodes, that'd be great.

Absolutely. We're running on fumes. Yeah. We're getting a few lately. I've been really appreciative of that. Fantastic. But that's this week done. I think we all learned something.

Yep. Yep. If you're building a pit, put some stairs in it. That's what I say. Or don't, I mean... Just stay in the pit. Just stay in the pit. It's great,

you get good Wi-Fi in there, you stay in that pit. How does a little girl make that jump? How does Bruce Wayne with his bung knee make that jump? Why didn't he build stairs?

Yeah! Yeah! I'm on board, we're making a movement out of this. I didn't he build stairs? Yeah! Yeah! I'm on board. We're making a movement out of this. I didn't even think about the pulley either. Yep.

And the rope. Somebody put that in. Yeah. What if the rope breaks? It would. A lot of people attempt that. We'll see you next week. Bye!

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