The Weekly Planet - 13 Best And Worst Comic Book Movie Casting

Episode Date: December 23, 2013

This week we take a look at the great and not so great casting choices in CBM's as well as Paul Rudd as Ant-Man, Jaoquin Pheonix as Lex Luthor, The Avengers: Age Of Ultron, X-Men, Dawn Of The Planet O...f The Apes plus more!Thanks for supporting the show! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:25 Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. Welcome everyone to episode 13 of the Weekly Planet, The Weekly Planet You may know me as Mr. Sunday. Joining me as always is my co-host, Nick Chip Danger Cock Mason. Not my real nickname. Hello. Hello, James. Nice to be here. Hello, listeners.
Starting point is 00:01:10 Wow. What a week it's been. You know what? It's our very special Christmas episode. Is it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Should we do anything?
Starting point is 00:01:17 I do love... Do you love Christmas? No. I don't love Christmas either, but I do love very special Christmas episodes of things. Like, the more incongruous the better like I like it when it'll be like CSI Miami or something like that something where there's like horrific murders
Starting point is 00:01:34 and awful but there's also the magic of Christmas like you know a dozen more Santas will be murdered or whatever and they'll be laid out on slabs or whatever. And they'll have to solve, find the killer or whatever. But at the end of the episode, it all loops around.
Starting point is 00:01:51 And one of the characters is like, but wait a second. If that Santa was locked up all night in the jail, who ate the milk and cookies off the shelf? And then they run to the window or whatever. And you just hear, ho, ho, ho, and like sleigh bells jingling. And the implication is in this world of horrific murder
Starting point is 00:02:11 that Santa is real. I enjoy that. So anyway, hopefully. So Merry Christmas. We'll have some Christmas magic in this, I think. Look, I don't hate Christmas, to be fair. I don't like a lot of the build-up. And that thing you just said there is amazing.
Starting point is 00:02:23 It is, isn't it? But yeah. Who wants to hang out with people Ugh Gross I'd rather be in this weird Completely empty room Nothing on the walls
Starting point is 00:02:31 No No natural light It's great Stay in here Yeah There's been a lot of A lot of stories this week Comic book and movie related
Starting point is 00:02:40 New trailers Shenanigans Afoot Uh huh You Shia LaBeouf. We've got to talk about that, right? Absolutely we do.
Starting point is 00:02:48 What? What a silly Billy. What a bit of a goose, mate. So it started basically, he made the short film, which I cannot remember the name of. Doesn't matter. Which I had not seen because it got taken down. It did. It was up and then it became Password Protected and then it disappeared.
Starting point is 00:03:04 Yeah. And he played at a few film festivals last year and it played taken down. It did. It was up and then it became password protected and then it disappeared. And he played at a few film festivals last year and it played super well. People were like, Because it was really well written. You know, this kid's a genius, bloody blah. Within hours of it going online, though,
Starting point is 00:03:18 the comparison was drawn between that and what was the comic book called? I can't remember off the top of my head. Should have written it down. This is why I write everything down. But anyway, it's a Daniel Klaus comic book called? I can't remember off the top of my head. Should have written it down. This is why I write everything down. But anyway, it's a Daniel Klaus comic book. Yeah, that's the one. Who is probably best known to mainstream audiences
Starting point is 00:03:29 as the guy who wrote Ghost World, which became the film with Scarlett Johansson. Yeah, yeah. So, great writer. And why wouldn't you steal his work verbatim for a film and not attribute it? What kind of apology is that though as well first of all
Starting point is 00:03:46 the apology was plagiarised yeah that's I know right which is baffling baffling but like I've got a little bit of it here
Starting point is 00:03:52 and it's things like trying to there's so many that's the problem so many it was like I owe it to future generations uh huh
Starting point is 00:04:00 you know to explain my actions like what has that even got to do with anything? Like, just admit fault, shut up, credit him, I don't know, take it down, give him some money, do whatever. Don't plagiarise a number of different people. Just shut your mouth, delete your...
Starting point is 00:04:20 Yeah, like, apparently there's a... He plagiarised the apology of Shepard Fairey who made that Obama Hope poster and he copied the initial image to Photoshop over the top and he apologised and Shia LaBeouf's taken that one. There's like a Mark Zuckerberg apology that he... What? It's bizarre. He also took one from a random post on the internet,
Starting point is 00:04:42 the one that's copyright isn't particularly creative work, being inspired by someone else's work to produce something new and different is creative work, which he stole. Also, that's bullshit, that quote. You've just stolen something and pretty much done it word for word. That's not creative in any sense. It's the opposite of that. Yes. And there's even this incredible plagiarism. It sounds like he's got a problem.
Starting point is 00:05:10 Sorry, Justin, Mike, go on. Like, as opposed to, like, he did this because he wanted to make money or anything like that. Like, you might actually have some sort of issue. Yeah, no kidding. Like, there's even, there's one here where, if you go to his website, which is called Campaign Book, the About page has been copied verbatim from another website called Picturebox. Why is Picturebox? Because I love the things I love and I want to champion them.
Starting point is 00:05:36 I tend towards outliers and I'm obsessed with the history of visual culture writ large and small. He's shyer. Why the Campaign Book? Because I love the things I love and I want to champion them. I tend towards outliers and I'm obsessed with the history of visual culture written large and small. Etc. It's a long paragraph and it's verbatim. It's bizarre.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Anyway. There's something going on there. Do you think it's some kind of weird star thing where you think you're untouchable or is he just crazy? I mean, it might be a coincidence. It could be a massive coincidence. Yeah, I mean, an infinite number of monkeys and an infinite number of typewriters might eventually write the complete works of Shakespeare.
Starting point is 00:06:11 Potentially, that's the thing here. I mean, he's rich. He probably has a lot of monkeys. I'm sure he does, yes. Hey, let's talk about monkeys. Perfect segue. Good job. Think about it.
Starting point is 00:06:22 Dawn of the Planet of the Apes has a trailer. I wanted to yell about Charlotte Booth a bit more. Okay, no, no, go for it. No, it wants to be said, though, really. What a dickhead. Yeah, I know. I hope he gets less work than ever. Well, I mean, that's sort of...
Starting point is 00:06:35 That's... He was Hollywood's it guy for a while. Which always baffled me. It's baffling, but I think the idea is that certain people get hired for work, for a role, and then all the other film production houses go, this guy is something. Yeah. These people have taken a chance.
Starting point is 00:06:56 He must be the next deep guy. We should all give him a role now. Yeah. So when he hits big, you know, we've got him on the... And if he's doing three or four movies a year over three years, that's a lot of... But then, of course, that sort of rolls around and people go, actually, he's not that charismatic or interesting. And then it sort of dried up.
Starting point is 00:07:17 I call it Sam Worthington syndrome. I was going to say, that's very Sam Worthington, isn't it? He was in everything. Yeah. But Rise of the Planet... Sorry, not Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes got a teaser sequel, teaser trailer this week. Yep. Well, it got a teaser for the teaser and then it got the teaser trailer.
Starting point is 00:07:34 Great. It's a sequel to Rise of the Planet of the Apes, which is a prequel slash reboot to the hilarious Charlton Heston Planet of the Apes, which is hilarious. That movie is so unintentionally funny. Correct. Really good. Did you enjoy the first one, Rot Pota, I believe the acronym is? I haven't seen Rot Pota.
Starting point is 00:07:56 Really? I haven't seen it. It's pretty good. Yep. It's, you know, solid cast, but not really that inspired. It's a solid cast, but not really that inspired. James Franco's kind of dead-eyed. Really kind of strangely monotone performance, I guess.
Starting point is 00:08:13 Yeah, it's one of his art performances. I think it may have been one of the ones where he has gone into a mainstream film as an artistic goof. You know what he's like. Yeah, he would do that. Yeah, I think that's probably... But yeah, I haven't seen it, but he doesn't appear to be in this one. No, well, I think... Replace with Gary Oldman. Replace with... Really? Oh, no, there is Gary Oldman. There's another lead guy.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Gary Oldman, I think, is like the leader of a human resistance or some kind of human leader. I think it's said in the synopsis that James Franco, the reason he's not in it, is because he's dead. He actually supposedly died between the movies. I'm assuming he flew his weird snowboard glider into the side of a building.
Starting point is 00:08:47 He did, yeah. No, it doesn't say why he's dead. I think it was the virus got him that got unleashed at the end of the first one. Oh. Because the human population is decimated. They've been fighting the virus for four years, fighting each other for four years.
Starting point is 00:08:58 There's an uneasy truce between the humans and the apes. Uh-huh. And that truce is about to be broken. Ooh. So, yeah, I'm really excited for it, for a reboot to a series that got a reboot in 2001
Starting point is 00:09:12 with Tim Burton that's true, yeah, take three this is, the apes in that they look incredible, there are some bits where they're jumping around, they look a little fake, but the facial expressions and a lot of like Caesar in particular
Starting point is 00:09:25 Would you say they're better or worse than the monkeys in Indiana Jones 4? Starring Shia LaBeouf we did it again we segwayed again it's like an episode
Starting point is 00:09:33 of Seinfeld in here everything's coming together great they are they're about the same no they're infinitely better all the guys who did that weather did it
Starting point is 00:09:42 you know did Avatar Gollum all that kind of stuff all the good stuff all the stuff that kids love so yeah I think it's going
Starting point is 00:09:48 to be great then again maybe it won't be who knows it's got what's his name I think his name is Jason Clark
Starting point is 00:09:54 I might have got that wrong he's from Zero Dark Thirty he's a big well not upcoming he's been around for a while
Starting point is 00:09:58 he's like 44 but he's like he's apparently I think we talked about this last week John Connor he's up for John Connor Planet of the Apes he's in there he's apparently, I think we talked about this last week, John Connor. Yep. He's up for John Connor. Planet of the Apes he's in.
Starting point is 00:10:07 There's a bunch of other stuff that he's the it guy. He's the it guy. He's the Shia LaBeouf slash Sam Worthington of 2013 slash 14. Yeah, but I think infinitely better. And he's not a traditionally handsome man either. He kind of looks like a regular guy, which I like also. Huh. There you go.
Starting point is 00:10:24 Maybe I just like regular guys because I'm also a man of the people. I'd like to talk about Expendables 3. Okay, let's do that. Now, the teaser for Expendables 3, which we just watched. It was a bit, it looked like a P. Diddy video clip. There was a kind of a lot of, or like a America's Got Talent kind of like a promo thing, where they're all sort of walking in silhouette with some spotlights behind them. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know, man. Do you think they got them all in the room for that?
Starting point is 00:10:56 I doubt it. Getting them all together at the same time. They look a bit composited. Yeah. I'm looking at this still right here. Yeah. Yeah, no, I think you're probably right. I mean, it's pretty good. I mean, not good, but like it looks like they could have been in the same time. They look a bit composited. Yeah. Looking at this still right here. Yeah. Yeah, no, I think you're probably right. I mean, it's pretty good.
Starting point is 00:11:06 I mean, not good, but it looks like they could have been in the same room. Having not seen the first two, and that may surprise you... This may surprise you? I haven't seen them either. Okay, well, I was going to ask you, but I guess we don't know. Is there any moments where they're all on screen together? You know what? Who cares?
Starting point is 00:11:22 Who cares? That's actually a really good point. Okay, but let's talk about this cast. Sure. Some surprises. You know what, though?? Who cares? That's actually a really good point. Okay, but let's talk about this cast. Sure. Some surprises. You know what, though? I just want to say, they've got the Bridge Over the River Choir theme tune playing. Yep.
Starting point is 00:11:35 Yep. I didn't do that very well. Uh-huh. Which, not that I took offense to that, but I just went, ugh. Because I love the Bridge Over the River Choir. Uh-huh. That's a fucking amazing movie. Yeah. It's got Alec Guinness from the 60s.
Starting point is 00:11:46 It's not exactly historically accurate in any sense because at the end they blow up a bridge and in real life that bridge was never blown up. That's fine. That movie's amazing. And I just went, ugh. Don't use that. It'd be like somebody using the Great Escape theme.
Starting point is 00:11:59 But also, that is also... Hitler has only got one ball. It's that. it has been used yeah it has been around for longer than that so are they going to fight Hitler in this
Starting point is 00:12:09 I hope so yeah I think they're probably going to fight Hitler I can't remember who the villain is one of Hitler's kids or something
Starting point is 00:12:12 great Darren Hitler Darren Hitler yeah yeah but yeah it's I just find that
Starting point is 00:12:20 disgusting because I think the Expendables movies are bullshit quite frankly not having seen them I fell asleep during the first one. But yeah, do you want to talk about the cast? You've got the picture there. Well, I've got the picture here. I mean, from what I can tell, there's a couple of changes
Starting point is 00:12:32 from the previous one. Antonio Banderas is in this one. Yeah, I like him. As some sort of swashbuckler, presumably. Swashbuckler. A swashbuckler, yes. This says grammar, so I'm going to assume Kelsey Grammar. It is Kelsey Grammar. It actually is Kelsey Grammar. I love Kelsey Grammar. It actually is Kelsey Grammar. I love Kelsey Grammar.
Starting point is 00:12:46 Wait a second, is he in this? I don't think he's in the picture. No. But I know for a fact he is in that. The big names are really, though, well, big names. Wesley Snipes. Wesley Snipes, out of prison. Out of prison.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Maybe he's on work release, I don't know. Pay your taxes, everyone. Pay your goddamn taxes. Mel Gibson. Racist Mel Gibson. America's own Mel Gibson. You sure? Yeah?
Starting point is 00:13:09 We don't want him. Nope. Getting his third or fourth chance there. And of course, probably the biggest name. Grumpy old Harrison Ford. Grumpy old Gramps. There he is. Now, the second Expendables movie, which I haven't seen, but I've seen clips of it,
Starting point is 00:13:26 a lot of it is them, like Bruce Willis is in it, who didn't come back for this one because he demanded more money, and Sylvester Stallone threw a fucking shit fit, and read on this Twitter tirade about how Bruce Willis is selfish and blah blah blah.
Starting point is 00:13:42 It's hard to do a Twitter tirade, you don't have a lot of characters. No, and even though he's a writer, he's not the brightest man, selfish and blah blah blah. It's hard to do a Twitter tie, right? You don't have a lot of characters. No. It takes a long time. Even though he's a writer, he's not the brightest man. Right. And he seems like a big dickhead. I'm sure he's fine. Yeah. But um, yeah, apparently though it's just a series of catchphrases. So like I know somebody
Starting point is 00:14:00 says, who's the big, Terry Crews says to Schwarzenegger at one point, give me my gun back or you're terminated. Right. And Alan Schwarzenegger at one point says, I'm back. So they just switch catchphrases. Pretty much.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Fantastic. But I made a bet on my most recent video, because Harrison Ford's wearing a flight suit in it. Yep. And if he doesn't say, get off my plane, I'm going to film myself, put a gun in my mouth, and blow the top of my head off. He might say, get off my plane. I'm going to film myself, put a gun in my mouth and blow the top of my head off. He might say get off my plane. If I'm wrong. He might say that he can do the Kessel Run
Starting point is 00:14:31 in 12 parsecs. He might say that. What's another thing? I'm Amish. You know what? Stallone might say I love you, Harrison Ford and Harrison Ford will be like, I know. It's just, I don't know. The whole thing smacks of desperation. And I know that, again...
Starting point is 00:14:50 Like retirement funds. Like retirement funds. I know they're not for me or for you. Even though we like action movies, I think we like things that are generally a little bit smarter, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, I don't know, man. I think I'll see it because I'm doing more videos and stuff
Starting point is 00:15:05 and doing this podcast I'll probably see this one you're going to force yourself into a break yeah I'm going to have to see it well that's a re-endorsement
Starting point is 00:15:11 20th Century Fox just put that on the poster I suppose I'll have to see it because I'm doing more videos on the internet yeah so there you go
Starting point is 00:15:24 we got one more trailer? yeah we do we just watched this one I wasn't going to talk about it but it's pretty interesting transcendence transcendence Wally Pfister yeah
Starting point is 00:15:31 Pfister Pfister yeah sure he was he was of course Pfister Pfister
Starting point is 00:15:43 I'm going to go with Pfister that's good I like that yeah it's going to go with Frista. That's good. I like that. Yeah, it's good. It rhymes with Barista. Ooh, Mediterranean. Sure is.
Starting point is 00:15:50 Wally... Frista. Yeah, who's the cinematographer for a lot of Christopher Nolan's work, Dark Knight movies, Inception, probably a bunch of other stuff. Well, it certainly looks great. Sure does. Johnny Depp. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:03 It's interesting to see him in non-Captain Jack Sparrow. Like regular clothing and doesn't look like Mick Jagger's... Keith Urban. Keith Urban. Keith Richardson, yeah. So it's his first movie, not Johnny Depp. He's done a couple. He's done one or two.
Starting point is 00:16:20 But it's Wally Fifth's first directorial debut. I love stories about where the human mind... You need to stop there. I love stories. You know, just a man at a hearth of a fire, just talking about life, you know? Yeah. But I like stories about...
Starting point is 00:16:39 Sam's worked the shoeshine booth at the Grand Central Station for 45 years. He's got a lot of stories no okay I'm sorry that's fine okay I was going to
Starting point is 00:16:49 say I like stories where people get their mind uploaded into a computer or it's about singularity where it gets
Starting point is 00:16:54 to the point where technology is artificial intelligence is smarter than humans and the implications of that
Starting point is 00:17:00 but I love all that kind of stuff and so I'm excited that this isn't going to be kind of like a lawnmower man movie. I was just going to say it could be a bit of a lawnmower man movie. It seems like a proper, smart, intelligent kind of trailer. Can I say though, in this trailer, I get the sense. You know how every once in a while you watch a trailer and then later you realise that
Starting point is 00:17:21 they've put the very last scene or the very last play of the film in the trailer. They might have done this here because right at the end of the trailer... This film also has a lot of Iron Man 3... Cast. Yeah, it does. The woman, Maya Hansen, from Iron Man 3. Paul Bettany, voice of Jarvis.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Paul Bettany. How did that happen? Anyway, but there's a moment in it where Maya Hansen what's her actual name doesn't matter I can't remember she says
Starting point is 00:17:49 Rebecca Wall yes there we go I was going to say Rebecca Black I nearly did different thing different genre sorry go on
Starting point is 00:17:55 we're not cutting edge music reviewers we're cutting edge movie reviewers that's what we do here but anyway she says where are you going to go
Starting point is 00:18:03 and he says everywhere and then you see this sort of black dust floating off. I feel that might be he's got some sort of nanotechnology and he's going off to explore the solar system. I think that might be the last thing in the film. And they've given it away.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Also, I've got the script here and I've just read it off there. So, spoiler alert, everybody. How do you like that? No, I don't know. But I think that's how it's going to end. That plays out. Yeah, because it does in that way, doesn't it? That's spoiled. No, I don't. I don't know. But I think that's how it's going to end. Mate, that plays out. Yeah, because it is. Yeah, it does in that way, doesn't it?
Starting point is 00:18:28 There's a whole lot of black dust, and then it goes vroom, and it stops real suddenly. Yeah, yeah. The vroom is the newest thing, I think, in trailers. I think there was some in Gravity, a bit of vroom. Yeah, there was a bit of vroom. Yeah. I'm really looking forward to that, though. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:39 Yeah. We've got more news? Do we have more news? Oh, I've got a stack of news. Yeah, let's talk about news. I've got a stack of news, mate. Okay, I'm ready. The Avengers Age of Ultron.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Yep. There's been a casting call for someone to fill the role of like a 40-year-old slash 50-year-old kind of imposing man. And I think it's for Baron Von Strucker, you know, the Hydra agent. I'm not sure. Okay. So, apparently, well, this is the rumorour, according to Latino Review, who people say, we never get anything right.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Are you allowed to go to that website? Yeah. You're not Latino. Oh, I thought you meant because of the coming from movie thing. Yeah. I'm a little bit Latino. I'm not Latino. Not at all.
Starting point is 00:19:17 Look how wide I am. You're so wide. You can see through me. I can see. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, and he's Baron Von Strucker
Starting point is 00:19:27 it might be they say at the start of the movie where the Avengers kind of deal with him and that's like the first little kind of introduction
Starting point is 00:19:33 to the movie so they got you know a classic-ish kind of Marvel villain then you lead up to Ultron so fight a Nazi fight a robot
Starting point is 00:19:39 that's what I say absolutely that is a formula for success I'm glad they finally pinned it down. Fight a Nazi, fight a robot. Doug Ray Scott, the name was floated around.
Starting point is 00:19:49 You familiar with him? He was going to be Wolverine at one point, right? He was going to be Wolverine. Is he small and scrappy? I don't know. Wish we knew anything about any actors from Hollywood. I know, right? It would be nice.
Starting point is 00:20:00 So handy for this. Yeah, it would be great. But no bother. What made me sad about Doug Ray Scott, he was going to be one of the next big things and he pulled out
Starting point is 00:20:08 of X-Men for whatever reason Hugh Jackman ended up getting the role then he appeared in Mission Impossible before that he appeared in Mission Impossible 2
Starting point is 00:20:16 which is easily the worst Mission Impossible movie he's got a denim three piece suit on in that film how did that happen it's not the 70s mate
Starting point is 00:20:24 it's Australia though yeah okay good point and that's how did that happen it's not the 70s mate it's Australia though yeah okay good point and that's how people perceive this country god that was
Starting point is 00:20:29 absolutely the worst that was John Woo bullshit that was the ultimate because John Woo's
Starting point is 00:20:37 films up until that point had all been great and yeah okay good pretty good yeah well he's foreign films anyway
Starting point is 00:20:42 yeah but that's at that point where they were like, okay, John, every element of what you do, we've put them on a whiteboard. Do them in every scene. Dubs.
Starting point is 00:20:53 Slow motion, spinning around on motorcycles. Everybody's got a gun in each hand. At one point, there was like four people on screen and there were 22 guns. Too many guns. That movie, I remember watching it at the time.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Tom Cruise, amazing hair in that movie. Oh, so good. That was his best hair. That was his best hair. He brought that
Starting point is 00:21:11 hair back from Mission Impossible 3, I think. Yeah. Or was it 4? Might have been 4. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:17 Yeah. But that's not a good movie. Anyway, what was I saying? I can't remember. Dude Ray Scott. Yeah, he was
Starting point is 00:21:22 next week then. Sam Worthington slash Shia LaBeouf. And then he turned up in Desperate Housewives so I'm like oh that's that's unfortunate
Starting point is 00:21:30 that's embarrassing for him and for you because you watch Desperate Housewives is that show still going I think it's cancelled I don't know
Starting point is 00:21:37 you know it is it's cancelled alright put your Wisteria Lane t-shirt on you silly geese I know
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Starting point is 00:22:22 X-Men Days of Future Past news. Brian Singer has come out and said there was a sequence in the movie that has Rogue, Iceman, Professor X and Magneto rescue somebody or something, and that entire sequence has been cut, hence meaning Rogue is not in that movie at all. Anna Paquin, who was the next big Shia LaBeouf at one point. Yep, Miss Shia LaBeouf, they called her. She got the Miss Shia LaBeouf at one point. Yep. Miss Shia LaBeouf, they called her.
Starting point is 00:22:45 She got the Miss Shia LaBeouf award for the piano. Yeah, so she's not in it anymore. And she's in the trailer, briefly. Iceman is not in it? He's cut as well? Well, apparently she's the only one who's completely cut. That's a shame. Yeah, so she must have only been in that particular sequence.
Starting point is 00:23:00 But she was at the Comic Con panel. Yep. I'd say she's a pretty well-known member of the team at this point. Yeah, huh. But is it a big loss? Ah. And it is also a reminder to you... Thank you.
Starting point is 00:23:14 ...that it's 30% future, 70% past. 70% past, yeah. Okay. I would have liked to see more Rogue. Yeah. Because at the end of X-Men 3, she's lost her powers. Yeah. Does she get them back or not?
Starting point is 00:23:25 I guess the answer is yes. But I don't know, that character had sort of an arc, where we meet her and then she finally finds her place in the X-Men family, and then she loses her powers. Will she stay in the family? Will she leave with the blah, blah, blah? Doesn't matter. She's out.
Starting point is 00:23:41 She's out, mate. The only thing I didn't really like about that character was, in the comics, when she takes a power, doesn't she keep it a lot of the time? Well, no, basically she... Well, she can replicate it, or...? No, no, she keeps the powers for a period of time, sort of depending on how long she touches someone. But she, at some point, you know, many, many years ago,
Starting point is 00:24:03 sort of got Ms. Marvel in a death grip for a really long time. And she went into a coma, like a really long-term coma. And as a result, Rogue permanently gained her powers, which is like strength, flight, invulnerability. Cool. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so there you go. So she's got those. Are you saying she should have those in the film?
Starting point is 00:24:20 I'm saying that I don't know that much about X-Men. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, sure, why not? Because really, it's just her running up and grabbing people. Yep.
Starting point is 00:24:28 Because she could be shot. Yeah, yeah. Well, she didn't really use those powers. She didn't in the first one because that was really the big plot point of that movie.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Oh, yeah, yeah. But she's never really used them extensively in an offensive capability. No. So, yeah. It'd be nice to see that work. Because I don't think...
Starting point is 00:24:43 Yeah, because she's not in the final battle is she of X-Men 3 doesn't she leave she does leave you're right yeah yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:24:50 and they get Kitty Pryde in yep one of the most excellent casting decisions in that movie which is not a good movie Kitty Pryde great choice
Starting point is 00:24:57 Alan Page Kelsey Grammer is beast also amazing choice Kelsey Grammer's an amazing choice for anything yes isn't he what a fucking legend
Starting point is 00:25:05 ok so another piece of news ah casting rumour ooh Joaquin Phoenix yep the poor man's
Starting point is 00:25:14 but alive river phoenix aww cut that out no he's amazing he's really good yeah leave it in though he's in this movie
Starting point is 00:25:21 Her which is out at the moment about an AI that he falls in love with you know I love an AI yeah you. I don't love the movie AI though. Do you love Bicentennial Man? Yeah, a little bit. Okay, great. Even though I know it's bad, I still kind of like it. It's rumoured that he's wanted by Warner Brothers for the role of Lex Luthor in Batman versus Superman. Thumbs down. Really?
Starting point is 00:25:45 Big potato head. Doesn't work. Have you seen him with a shaven head? No. Have you seen him in a suit? No, only Johnny Cash suit. Oh, yeah. Not the same. Western suit.
Starting point is 00:25:59 Do you remember that year where he lost his mind, pretended to, for a movie that nobody saw? Yeah, I do remember that. That was great. He grew the big beard and he just went on Tonight Shows and just took a dump on the host desk or whatever he did.
Starting point is 00:26:14 And then, yeah, nobody... I can't even remember the name of that film. I'm Still Here? I'm Not There? I'm Not There was the... Both of us are here. Yeah, no, but I'm Not There was the Bob Dylan biopic
Starting point is 00:26:25 With Cate Blanchett And etc etc And I'm still here Is a John Resnick song Lead singer of the Goo Goo Dolls For the movie Treasure Planet Which is an amazing movie
Starting point is 00:26:34 Why do you have that fact And no other facts That is amazing I stayed up all night Memorising that fact Great Oh for Christmas Yeah For the Christmas episode I understand sure That's it ladies and gentlemen That's what we did I stayed up all night memorising that fact. Great. Oh, for Christmas.
Starting point is 00:26:45 Yeah. The Christmas episode, I understand, sure. That's it, ladies and gentlemen. That's what we did for the Christmas episode. Treasure Planet slash Goo Goo Dolls fact. I think it's a good sign. That was great. That's an underrated Disney movie as well, by the way.
Starting point is 00:26:59 That's a good movie. Should I watch it tomorrow or no? No. Yeah, don't. So you really... I thought it was great. And you know why I thought it was great? Because I didn't think of it for one, and I like being surprised. I don't think of a lot of things, sure.
Starting point is 00:27:11 But when I heard it, I went, it's a little bit inspired in the sense that they didn't just go, who's a bald guy? That's true, yeah. They thought outside the box. Who's menacing? Who's got a lot of screen presence? Who's, you know, a little bit hot? What they probably did, though, is they probably, there's menacing, who's got a lot of screen presence, who's a little bit hot. What they probably did though, is they probably, there's like an iPhone app where you take a photo of somebody
Starting point is 00:27:29 and then it shows you what they look like bald. And they probably got like a Musk Weekly magazine or whatever and took a photo of Joaquin Phoenix and they're like, oh, pretty good. Pretty good. Yeah, but you're against it because of his potato head. I think he's menacing enough. He's played a villain before. He is menacing, you're right. You're right, he's got evil head. I think he's menacing enough. He's played a villain before. He is menacing.
Starting point is 00:27:46 You're right. He's got evil eyes. He's got evil eyebrows as well. Okay, you've turned me around. Good. Is that all? Yeah. I don't know what else to say.
Starting point is 00:27:55 I think it's cool. Okay, good. Okay. Of course, that has to be taken with a grain of salt because there's other names that have been rumoured. Mark Strong because he's bald. Yep. Brian Cranston because he can be bald. Yep. Bryan Cranston. Bald. Because he can be bald.
Starting point is 00:28:05 Yep. And as recently as last week, they were talking Idris Elba and Denzel Washington. So who knows? As a team. As a team. Hey, we're Lex Luthor. We're the black Lex Luthor twins. Parallel universes?
Starting point is 00:28:17 I don't know. We don't look the same, but it's fine. Racist people can't tell. Hee hee. Oh, racism. Okay. In another piece of casting news. That would be better if it was Idris Elba. can't tell. Oh, racism. Okay, um, in another piece of casting news.
Starting point is 00:28:29 That'd be, if it was Idris Elba, that'd be two kind of, that'd be twice that he's gotten people up in arms for being Yeah. For being just a black guy who gets a job in Hollywood. I know, right? Like, we're so mad that he, oh no. We're so mad that a fictional character isn't how I imagined that fictional character to be.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Don't you reckon, though, he'd be a killer Lex Luthor? He'd be really good, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And if we said that he wouldn't be, that would mean we're racist. Yeah. Dodge that bullet. Okay, another piece of casting news.
Starting point is 00:28:57 A true piece locked in fact. Marvel have confirmed Paul Rudd is Ant-Man. That's great. I enjoy that a lot. You cool with that? Yes. I suppose it depends which Ant-Man it is. great. I enjoy that a lot. You're cool with that? Yes. I suppose it depends which Ant-Man it is. He's not going to be Hank Pym, is he?
Starting point is 00:29:09 They haven't announced that yet. Because there's... There's Scott Lang, Hank Pym, and... And Eric O'Grady, who's the arsehole one. Yeah, that's right. Didn't he beat women or something? Is that what... No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Hank Pym beat up his wife once. Okay. I mean, a couple of times. Why? Because he's got problems. Don't we all? Yeah, but anyway, they're probably not going to use that.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Maybe they will, I don't know. Anyway, we're against that. Eric O'Grady is the most recent one. He had his own series for about 12 issues called Irredeemable Ant-Man and he was like a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent like a
Starting point is 00:29:47 low ranking one who found the Ant-Man like an Ant-Man armour in S.H.I.E.L.D. headquarters and just used
Starting point is 00:29:53 it to like perv on women and like steal stuff as we all would yeah absolutely yeah and it's sort of this
Starting point is 00:29:59 his journey into becoming sort of kind of a hero which I think that would work that would work with Paul Rudd
Starting point is 00:30:04 it's probably going to be Scott Lang because if Hank who's creating Ultron in Age of Ultron they say journey into becoming sort of kind of a hero. Okay. Which I think that would work with Paul Ryan. Yeah. It's probably going to be Scott Lang. Because if Hank, who's creating Ultron in Age of Ultron? They say Tony Stark. Ah, then it could be
Starting point is 00:30:11 Hank Pym. Yeah. Okay. I prefer Hank Pym I think. Just go with the original. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:15 But you know. Also Pym's fun to say. Pym, Pym Particles. I know the Pym Particles have escaped. Quickly retrieve the Pym Particles. It's so vague. I love Pym Particles have escaped. Quickly retrieve the Pym Particles. It's so vague.
Starting point is 00:30:27 I love Pym Particles because they're so vague. You'll feel the bite of power. Yeah, yeah. How does he... Does he rub them under his... Does he rub them on his neck? Does he spray them in front of him and then leap through like he's putting on cologne? I don't know. He probably... I think it's one of those ones where they just keep it in their belt buckle. Yeah. And he's like, I've gotta be Ant-Man. I'll just just keep it in their belt buckle. It's like, I've got to be Ant-Man. I'll just push the release in my belt buckle.
Starting point is 00:30:48 And then... Yeah, then... Pimple articles. I'm shrieking. You know what I hope they utilise as well? And it's Edgar Wright, so it probably will. I hope they go the other way where they show that he can be giant. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:02 That would be cool. Because I think a lot of people aren't aware that he could do that also. But, you know. We'll see. We will see. Now, he apparently, there was a few other people in contention, rumoured.
Starting point is 00:31:11 One of them, Simon Pegg, that was more of a rumour. Because there was that picture where he's pointing to, there's a picture that he took at Marvel headquarters who was visiting Edgar Wright and he's pointing to a picture
Starting point is 00:31:21 of Ant-Man. And everyone, including me, was convinced that he was Ant-Man or involved of Ant-Man and everyone including me was convinced that he was Ant-Man or involved in Ant-Man he still might be maybe he'll be Hank Pym maybe
Starting point is 00:31:29 or maybe he'll be Doug Ray Scott or maybe he'll be Idris Elba and the other one was Joseph Gordon-Levitt which I could see also yeah that works
Starting point is 00:31:38 but I'm kind of glad they went with Paul Rudd you know what's weird though they're going with a lot of older actors Paul Rudd's 44 looks amazing so a lot of the Avengers cast they're going with a lot of older actors Paul Rudd's 44 looks amazing so a lot of the Avengers cast
Starting point is 00:31:47 they're like mid 40s a lot of them yeah I'm cool with that yeah these young kids these kids
Starting point is 00:31:53 can't be responsible for superpowers I think the youngest must be Chris Hemsworth who's technically the oldest in the Avengers yeah cool
Starting point is 00:32:03 cool any more news that's a lot of casting news That's a lot of casting news. That's a lot of casting news. Should we talk about casting? I'll tell you what. Yes. I was thinking that.
Starting point is 00:32:09 Yep. Comic book movies have a long history of casting. Are you familiar with that? Casting like actors? Yes. To like play characters in the films?
Starting point is 00:32:17 Yes. Yes. Huh. Good fact to have. I wanted to ask you because I think you mentioned this a couple of weeks ago. Who do you think is the definitive perfect choice for a person role in a comic book movie?
Starting point is 00:32:34 It's J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson. That's the best. It is the best one. You'll see a comic book character and you're like, I wonder who would be great for that, and you see him on screen, and you're like, yeah, that's pretty accurate. Dead on. No matter what you think of J. Jonah Jameson, he's bloody nailed that. He's nailed that role.
Starting point is 00:32:52 I mentioned the last time we talked about this, I want to see a J. Jonah Jameson film. It's two hours. It's just a shot of him sitting at his desk, and he's just yelling at people that come in. And maybe there's, like, explosions behind him, like, out the window. Maybe Spider-Man's fighting Doctor Octopus or Hobgoblin
Starting point is 00:33:05 or something like that. It doesn't matter. It's never referred to. It's just him yelling at people and maybe knocking his phone off the computer
Starting point is 00:33:13 off his desk because he doesn't understand it. That'd be great. Yelling at his wife out of the phone. Do you care whether it's set in the
Starting point is 00:33:19 Tobey Maguire universe or the current universe? Ah, no. It could even be set in the real world it's just just not a lot it's just yelling it's fine i would i would see that forever so that's the greatest casting ever yeah but at the same time in those movies i think toby mcguire terrible choice for spider-man i i know you're not alone in thinking that. Is it his mopiness? It's mopiness. He's kind of like, he's got
Starting point is 00:33:47 a chubby boy face. But he doesn't strike... He never at any point strikes me as a high school student. No. Just a chubby boy-faced man who's in a high school for some reason. Even though Andrew Garfield was older than
Starting point is 00:34:04 Tobey Maguire when he was in his version. Maybe it's the hair. It might be the hair. He's got great hair in that. He does have great hair. He's still, Andrew Garfield definitely looks younger. But he's only a student in that very briefly. Or a high school student anyway. But yeah, it was a, I wouldn't say it would put it down
Starting point is 00:34:19 so much to his performance as in some of the writing for that character. He's not very fun. No, he's really not fun, yeah. Credit, or do credit for him for working out like of the writing for that character. He's not very fun. No, he's really not fun. He has a lot to deal with it. Uh-huh. All due credit for him for working out like a mad dog for that movie.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Like a mad dog. Yeah. Because he looked amazing. Medicine balls. Yeah. Yeah, medicine balls. Yeah. Well, that was like
Starting point is 00:34:37 Leonardo DiCaprio apparently wanted the role and a bunch of other people. No, not Leonardo DiCaprio. Not high school level. No, that would... I'd watch one scene Not high school. No, I'd watch one scene of that. I'd watch the
Starting point is 00:34:48 Saturday Night Live sketch of that where Leonardo DiCaprio is the guest host. DiCaprio. DiCaprio. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:34:56 Fishman. You know, where he's pretending to be Spider-Man and he's way too old for the role. That would be great.
Starting point is 00:35:03 But I would not watch him in that film. I could tell you the exact point where Leonardo DiCaprio stopped playing someone of school
Starting point is 00:35:09 age. Titanic? No. The one where he was running away from Tom Hanks. Run Tom Hanks wrong.
Starting point is 00:35:16 Run Tom Hanks wrong, yeah. You'll never get me Tom Hanks. I'm Leonardo DiCaprio. Catch me if you can. There we go. The movie.
Starting point is 00:35:22 The movie. Yeah, because there's a bit of that where there's a bit that where he was a high school kid and that was pushing it because that was
Starting point is 00:35:28 like 2004 which means he would have been late 20s early 30s but anyway good on him good actor
Starting point is 00:35:34 so yeah what a series of contrasts I don't know look he's too dour for Spider-Man
Starting point is 00:35:41 isn't he he's too sad he is too puffy faced you're right. And by the third one, he'd clearly just stopped working out. Right, yeah. Because he's a little...
Starting point is 00:35:49 And, you know, fine. Look whatever you want to look like. Blade 3 syndrome. Blade 3 syndrome. You remember that one? Yeah. I mean, I don't have an issue with that. But, yeah, he's just...
Starting point is 00:35:59 There's a lot of long-sleeved shirts in that one. Yeah. Clearly, he's like, who cares? And Ryan Reynolds. You know what happened? He probably... Wesley Snipes probably started working out
Starting point is 00:36:06 and then Ryan Reynolds showed up on set just like, just a, just a beefcake man and then. Like a statue of David. Like a statue of David
Starting point is 00:36:15 and Wesley Snipes is like, you know what, forget it. Long-sleeve black shirts, all of them. Yeah. A layer of.
Starting point is 00:36:21 What a jerk. I got a best of worst though. I'm ready. Same movie, Spider-Man, original Spider-Man, for best. I think the first one
Starting point is 00:36:30 was called Spider-Man, original Spider-Man. It's, I think Willem Dafoe is an excellent green goblin. Yes, he is.
Starting point is 00:36:37 Even though the costume's not great. Terrible costume, I was just thinking that today. Yeah, but he is amazing. Yep. And I would even say,
Starting point is 00:36:43 what's the guy in the second one? Alfred Molonia? Yep, that's the one. That's also really good. But Willem Dafoe, what a great choice. He nails the dual characteristics.
Starting point is 00:36:53 Yep. He's got that weird goblin head. He's got a goblin head. See, exactly, they could have just, they could have just had some sort of like
Starting point is 00:37:00 thin kind of membrane over his face and be like, that's for soldiers in battlefields and it protects against gas attacks or whatever. Yep. But they had to do a robot face. Well, the funny thing is though, they actually tried an animatronic goblin face and there's
Starting point is 00:37:13 videos of it online and it looks a lot like the original kind of 60s green goblin. Uh-huh. Does it work? Yeah. Well, I mean, it's hard to say. I mean, it's only test footage. Right. It's interesting.
Starting point is 00:37:23 Hmm. It's better than a motorcycle helmet. Yeah, it's true. Does it look like Willem Dafoe? No. Not in any way. But neither does a motorcycle helmet. It doesn't look like him either.
Starting point is 00:37:34 Good point also. Yeah. He's brilliant. What a great dude. And he pops up in the other movies as well. Yeah, yeah. Just briefly in cameos. I think if that universe had have continued to this very day
Starting point is 00:37:45 as Tobey Maguire got wider and wider, then I think that would have brought him back. Probably, yeah. I mean, he's unkillable essentially.
Starting point is 00:37:53 He's always coming back. But did you say, did you have another one there? Did you have a worst one? I got a worst one. Yeah, I'm ready. This is a pretty obvious one. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Starting point is 00:38:02 Mr. Freeze. Okay, yeah, now that's alright. Especially because at that point, Heart of Ice had come out. The episode Heart of Ice from the Batman animated series. That is like the definitive Mr. Freeze story. Yeah. And it's tragic and it reinvents the character and they steal a lot from that. And then they're just like... That's making it ridiculous though. Yeah. Because he does have the frozen wife. He has the frozen wife. Yeah. And so he's got that motivation because he's stealing diamonds.
Starting point is 00:38:26 Yep, because it's Powers is Freeze race. Yeah. Mr. Freeze is an interesting character because, like, in his original appearances, he was, I think he was Mr. Zero, and he was just like a, he was a zero character. He was like this happy-go-lucky kind of, like, he just had this cheery face, and he had this kind of orange and magenta outfit. He just had a little freezy gun that looked like a beekeeper's steam gun. He just had some little adventures and stuff.
Starting point is 00:39:01 And then they brought, because they needed villains for the Batman TV series, they just brought him. They brought in Clock King, which they did really well. In the animated series, yeah. Yeah. And yeah, so they just, so he was just this nothing character until the animated series. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:12 Who knew that it would, that an animated series would bring actual character to a character. Yeah. He's one of the, I think he's one of the best Batman villains. One of the most sympathetic, one of the most interesting.
Starting point is 00:39:22 Great character in the Arkham games, or the second one in particular. I love beating that guy in the head. But you know what? What really annoyed me about that guy, and I know he's cold, but he's like, Batman, after you beat him up, he's like, Batman, they've taken my wife, fired my wife. And I'm like,
Starting point is 00:39:38 alright, I'm going to do this because I'm Batman. I'm not really Batman in the game, I was Batman. So I go and I find him, it's a whole thing and I come back it's a real ordeal it's a real ordeal took me a while
Starting point is 00:39:49 I come back and I'm like here's your wife Mr. Freese and he's like thank you Batman and he just turns back to his lab and I'm like
Starting point is 00:39:55 you fucking prick and if I could have killed him I would have yeah yeah or you could have just you could have just punched his wife's head off because she's frozen right
Starting point is 00:40:03 yeah what a jerk but you know they've re in the new 52 Batman uh huh Or you could have just punched his wife's head off, because she's frozen, right? Yeah. What a jerk. You know, they're in the new 52 Batman. Some people say this change is for the worse. Some people say it's for the better. I'd say it's interesting regardless. Mr. Freeze is trying to thaw out his dead wife, or his frozen wife.
Starting point is 00:40:19 In a microwave. In a microwave. In a really big microwave. What a twist. Bruce Wayne stops him and is like, you're fired. And so you're like, Bruce Wayne, what a prick. Bruce Wayne's the one responsible for Mr. Freeze going crazy.
Starting point is 00:40:31 But it turns out that's not his wife. That's a woman frozen from like the 50s or 40s. And he's just obsessed with her and he's got it in his mind that she is his wife. Okay, that is interesting
Starting point is 00:40:45 yeah I mean it makes him less sympathetic it makes him very less sympathetic and also where did the frozen lady come from
Starting point is 00:40:50 I don't know they've kind of combined because one of the clay faces in the comic books the first one
Starting point is 00:40:57 the one who's actually the actor no the third one the third one who has melty powers I think he's dead now
Starting point is 00:41:03 it doesn't matter he was in love with like a mannequin like the movie mannequin yeah like in
Starting point is 00:41:11 the movie mannequin sure with Kim Cattell Kim Cattrell Kim Cattrell Kim Cattrell
Starting point is 00:41:15 yeah some of the changes in the new 52 Kim drug Cattell some of the
Starting point is 00:41:20 changes in the new 52 I don't know I don't know if I care
Starting point is 00:41:23 for them I don't feel as connected with this new 52 like because don't know. I don't know if I care for them. I don't feel as connected with this new 52. Because I grew up with Tim Drake as Robin. Yep. The third one.
Starting point is 00:41:32 And now in the comic books, they've retconned it so he was never Robin. He was always Red Robin. Yeah. Don't like it. Don't care for it. Like the costume. Don't like that twist. Where were we?
Starting point is 00:41:43 I don't know. Do you have somebody else who's good or bad? oh let me find one boy let me okay here's one for you best casting yep
Starting point is 00:41:51 half of the Fantastic Four worst casting the other half of the Fantastic Four can I guess which? Chris Evans obviously great choice
Starting point is 00:42:00 yep The Thing yes those two other two awful Chickless Chickless incredible great kind of rough kind of tough street smart shit suit yeah rubbish awful the wow just terrible see come on cgi that yeah i'm gonna cgi nothing else i think that would have been you are chris evans quite versatile because when you think about it it it's you know earnest genuine
Starting point is 00:42:26 Steve Rogers Captain America smug prick in Fantastic Four yeah absolutely yeah yeah completely agree with that not good movies
Starting point is 00:42:34 though I think we've said this before the second one's not as bad but I think that's because yeah we were let down so badly by the first one and then on the other hand we got
Starting point is 00:42:42 uh Yohan Griffin as just completely generic Mr Fantastic bad American accent just there's nothing to that I mean you put
Starting point is 00:42:51 you can put the salt and pepper at his temples but he's not no he's not Reed Richards at all well I think there's a reason why that guy didn't take off as a kind of leading man
Starting point is 00:42:59 Sam Worthington Syndrome Sam Worthington Syndrome yeah and he's really have you ever seen Hornblower oh yep it's not as sexy as you'd think as it sounds but he's really have you ever seen Hornblower oh yep it's not as sexy as you'd think
Starting point is 00:43:07 as it sounds but he's really good in that and I think he's a good British actor but as far as a mainstream kind of
Starting point is 00:43:13 they try to kind of push him as this kind of Clive Owen kind of guy but he's not in any way who would have been a better choice
Starting point is 00:43:19 Clive Owen as Reed Richards yeah sure okay yeah alright Statham Statham oh
Starting point is 00:43:24 Statham is the thing. Yeah. No, you know what? Bruce Willis is the thing. Yes. Voice-off. Yeah, that would work, yeah. Because you could not get Bruce Willis in a rubber suit.
Starting point is 00:43:33 Absolutely, not even for a second. What about Jessica Alba? Well, I mean, there was a lot of people like... Was she not sexy enough? She was certainly sexy. Enough? Yeah, enough. But, I don't know, not intellectual enough? She was certainly sexy. Enough? Yeah, enough. But I don't know.
Starting point is 00:43:47 Not intellectual enough. Yeah, fair point. I kind of enjoy in the Fantastic Four the contrast between Invisible Woman, Mr. Fantastic, they're the intellectuals of the team. But she's more heart, he's more head kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not in the sexual way. Right, sure. Sorry. Didn't need to say that yeah. Not in the sexual way. Right, sure.
Starting point is 00:44:05 Sorry. Didn't need to say that, did I? Not at all. Edit that out. Keep it in. But then, yeah, just, again, generic. Yeah. Just, she was the girl at the time.
Starting point is 00:44:17 Yep. Terrell were in the film. Weird. Yeah. I got one. Go ahead. Sorry. No.
Starting point is 00:44:26 I've actually got here, I did you should mention that I'll come back to that one next Henry Cavill or Cavill Man of Steel Superman despite what you may think of that film
Starting point is 00:44:35 and I've said this before I know you love it I like it quite a bit a lot of people don't like it haters haters on the internet he is an amazing choice yep
Starting point is 00:44:43 and he was from day one he was nearly in he nearly got it when nearly got in the Superman Returns there was a one before that that I think McG was doing that he nearly got in
Starting point is 00:44:54 McG where he's actually there's a footage of him not footage there's a picture of him that just came online recently where he's wearing that suit so it's his
Starting point is 00:45:02 so he went in for it they put him in the suit and everything but he looks very much more like Superboy. Oh, I see. Because he would have been pretty young then, probably maybe 19, 20, maybe early 20s. But what a great choice, and just threw himself completely into it. The only thing I would say for him is they don't give him enough dialogue in Man of Steel.
Starting point is 00:45:19 I don't think he's as defined a character as I would have liked him to be. He's kind of, not vague in his motivations, but I would like to see him kind of more kind of, I don't know, talk about what he believes in and standing up for things and doing what's right. Yep. Saving more dogs. Yeah, saving more dogs. Exactly. Superman, he can be earnest. It's the same with Captain America. Captain America has proved it. You can be earnest without being a goof. Not everyone needs to be a fucking wisecracking Robert Downey Jr. type. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:45:48 Who does that very well. Yeah. But you've got... Good casting. Let's not cover that again, but just know that he's good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Iron Man is practically the Robert Downey Jr. story when you think about it.
Starting point is 00:45:57 Exactly. Yeah. But I think, yeah, he's got that kind of sincerity, and I hope they bring that to the second one. Yes. I think he's great. He's got that kind of sincerity, and I hope they bring that to the second one. Yes. I think he's great.
Starting point is 00:46:09 On the flip side of that, even though I don't... I think this more comes down to the movie than him, but Brandon Routh is a weird choice because they just picked him, and they did just do this. Because he looks like... Because he looks like Christopher Reeves. Right. He sounds like Christopher Reeves. Uh-huh. You shouldn't pick somebody based on that, because you're basically...
Starting point is 00:46:24 That movie is a love letter to the Richard Donner films. Uh-huh. Reeves. You shouldn't pick somebody based on that because you basically, that movie is a love letter to the Richard Donner films. Probably shouldn't spend $275 million on a love letter. I'm just saying, whatever it costs. So again, I don't hate him. I think it was $250 million on the movie and $250 million on the marketing. That sounds right. Yeah. And that was in 2006. That's a lot of money for 2006. Good gravy. So, I don't know man. I don't think he's bad in it. No.
Starting point is 00:46:51 It's just a weird choice that you would just cast a guy who's exactly like Christopher Reeves who also what an amazing casting choice. There you go. He's been good in other things. Yeah, I agree. I like him. He's good in Scott Pilgrim. He's good in Dylan Dog, Dead of Night. Not a good movie, but he's good in it. He's in Zack and Miri Make a Porno at the start.
Starting point is 00:47:09 Oh, yeah. And he's quite funny. He seems like a funny guy. Yeah. And I like him. And I feel bad that he's not in more stuff now. Let's put him in a film. Once we get our Audible money from that Audible spot.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Yeah, when are they going to do that? Who knows? But we'll put him in a movie once we do that. Yeah, sure. I like him. And I follow him on Twitter. I like him. But, you know, not his fault.
Starting point is 00:47:29 What does he do on Twitter? Not much. Mostly talks about his new kid. Ah, nice. Can I do one? Of course you can. Casting choices. Do it.
Starting point is 00:47:38 Okay, how about this? Best, just briefly, Nick Cage in Kick-Ass. Yep. As Big Daddy. Yep. Great one. Great one. Great stuff.
Starting point is 00:47:48 I mean, they tweaked the character from the comic books a little bit. A lot. Quite a lot. Because in the comic books, he's not... He's just an accountant. His wife left him. Yeah. Which sort of turns into child abuse.
Starting point is 00:47:59 Yeah. Because it's like, hey, let's throw my daughter into harm's way. I like that better, though. Yeah, it is fun. Because it makes him crazier. Yeah, yeah. And that would definitely makes him crazier. Yeah, yeah. And that would definitely fit with Nick Cage. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:08 Crazier. Worst, Nick Cage in Ghost Rider. Which one? The first one. No, not the second one. You know what? Only the first one, because the second one, you're like, well, Nick Cage is in this. Let's just deal with it.
Starting point is 00:48:21 Yeah. But the first one, because at the start of that film you say you see a young johnny blaze making a deal with with mephisto to to sell his soul yeah and that handsome what have you young good looking he would have been a better choice yeah as ghost rider in that and then it cuts flashes forward to like washed up old johnny blaze melted candle johnny blaze yeah and he's got the dumbest looking wig you've ever seen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's that weird painted on effect. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:50 Yeah, yeah, okay. And it looks like, I don't know, I don't even know what that hair is. Like it doesn't suit his face. The hairline's all wrong. Uh-huh. It's just, wow, what were they thinking? Yeah, yeah. And again, you know what, those two films show the versatility of Nicolas Cage.
Starting point is 00:49:07 Crazy Nicolas Cage. Have we discussed this on the podcast? We may have. If you remember, cut this out. People write in, don't write in. Nicolas Cage's choice of roles, there's got to be... There's got to be... Is there a method to that madness?
Starting point is 00:49:26 I wonder. Like... Because he works a lot. He does a lot of films. He does. Probably because he's got crazy spending habits. Yeah. Like, he outbid Leonardo DiCaprio on a dinosaur skull once, I think.
Starting point is 00:49:38 Maybe that's made up. I don't know. I've heard that too, yeah. But, you know, I think his casting process must be, like every three or four months, his agent comes into his house, right? And he's just got a big stack of scripts and he's like, okay, Nicolas Cage,
Starting point is 00:49:54 he's... Put down the dinosaur skull. Put down the dinosaur skull, first of all. Here's, okay, we've got an action film, we've got a sci-fi film, we've got like a quirky kind of independent adaptation style film. You can have a supporting role in this Oscar
Starting point is 00:50:10 bait film, whatever, and then Nicolas Cage just walks over and he grabs the first one off the pile and just goes, that one. Whatever that is, I'll do it. I guess that's it, but you know what? I think the only reason I would say there might be some method to his madness is because it's like
Starting point is 00:50:25 four or five shit films in a row entertaining nonetheless usually well he is and then an amazing performance and then everyone goes
Starting point is 00:50:33 oh no he's back he's not back just wait wait one film and then it's four or five shit films in a row and he's back
Starting point is 00:50:41 you know so I think in that sense he's smart enough to know I'm just going to do a bunch of schlock for a bit of cash, take a bit of a pay cut. Buy some paleontological remains of some sort. Make the weatherman.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Yep. Precisely. Or, that's probably not a good example. The family man. The family man, yeah. And then, yeah, that's what I think his process is. Yeah, yeah. I think he's smarter than people give him credit for.
Starting point is 00:51:04 I think he's crazy. people give him credit for I think he's crazy definitely but you know as an Oscar winner he's certainly made better choices than say
Starting point is 00:51:12 Cuba Gooding Jr oh my god yeah has he ever made a good film uh okay he was in Pearl Harbor no
Starting point is 00:51:19 he was in Daddy Day Camp oh yeah good point I retract my entire argument he's not been in a good film since I just watched Don John with Joseph Lele. It's a great movie. Who's in that? Briefly. He's in a
Starting point is 00:51:31 clip of a made up film within the movie. Does that make sense? Yeah. So I guess he's in that. Right. It's like a three second clip. Fantastic. Dice Clay's in that, right? Andrew Dice Clay? Not what I'm saying. In Don John? No, no, you're thinking of, who's the boss? Tony Danza. Tony Danza. I'm pretty sure Dice Clay's in that, right? Andrew Dice Clay? Not what I've seen. In Donjon? No, no, you're thinking of, uh, who's the boss? Tony Danza.
Starting point is 00:51:47 Tony Danza. I'm pretty sure Dice Clay's in that. I think you're thinking of a different movie, because he just, Dice Clay just did apparently turn in some amazing performance. Huh. And I can't remember what it's in. There you go. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:57 I got one for you. Dice Clay News. Yes? Dice Clay. What do you got? I had another thing that linked from the Nicolas Cage thing. Ah, maybe I'll think of it later. Is it that he's crazy?
Starting point is 00:52:04 Is it something to do with him being crazy? Dinosaur skulls. Dinosaur skulls. I've got Chris Evans. Come back to it if you... I will. I'll come back. Okay.
Starting point is 00:52:12 Chris Evans as Captain America. I know we just briefly talked about this. When he got cast, I wasn't worried for one reason. Even though a lot of people didn't see this movie, he's in Sunshine. Yep, okay. Which is probably my favourite movie of all time. Wow, big call. At least top five.
Starting point is 00:52:29 Is that a Danny Boyle film? It's a Danny Boyle film. I think it's Danny Boyle's strongest film and it tanked, but I think it's amazing. Even though it becomes like a... I mean, it's a documentary about Sunshine and people are really not interested in that. Like it's a docudrama about the guy who discovered Sunshine. The scientist. It is.
Starting point is 00:52:48 Yeah. But it's a, for those who haven't seen it, it's basically about this team who go to the sun to basically restart it because the sun is dying.
Starting point is 00:52:55 And it sounds dumb, but it's got an amazing international cast. It's a really solid sci-fi film. And Chris Evans plays this kind of American, he's not,
Starting point is 00:53:04 he's kind of, I can't remember what his particular job is on the mission, but he kind of keeps everyone in check. His job is to get the stick and put it in the big bit of wood and just sort of swizzle it between his hands and get the spark going. That was his job in the film. And then the stick flies off into space and they're like, no! And they have to retrieve the stick. And everybody else in the movie's like, oh,
Starting point is 00:53:25 we've got to do what's the right thing, you know, we shouldn't kill anybody or whatever. And Chris Evans is like, no, fuck it. The sun is dying. Everyone's going to die.
Starting point is 00:53:34 He's the guy who's like, we've got to do this, no matter what. And he's incredible in that movie. And after that, they're like, Chris Evans is Captain America. And I went,
Starting point is 00:53:41 yes. Because he is an amazing actor. You know, then that movie proves it. And also, Captain America proves it, because because he is an amazing actor yeah you know then that movie proves it and also Captain America proves it because he plays it earnestly
Starting point is 00:53:48 yep he worked out like a mad dog absolutely and it's great I mean maybe not so much towards the end but he's great
Starting point is 00:53:56 yeah definitely so there you go I like that character who would have thought that Captain America would play as well as it did because I know
Starting point is 00:54:04 they changed the name in the in the the United Kingdom to the First Avenger. Because I know in the UK he's a bit of a joke. Huh. And, um... He's not Captain Britain, certainly. Do you think they... Now that's a joke. That's...
Starting point is 00:54:17 Yeah. Yeah. You got one, sorry? Uh, hang on. I'm trying to think of some iconic British superheroes. The Avengers, but not the Avengers. Not superheroes. Doesn't count. The Leopard of Lime Street.
Starting point is 00:54:31 That's a real one. How do you like that? How do you like that, Paul? I've never heard of him. What about the Beef Vendetta guy? V. Not really a superhero. Nah. There's a lot of Super villains
Starting point is 00:54:46 Yeah There really are Yeah I know I mean Not not I don't mean villains With British accents I mean like
Starting point is 00:54:52 British created Yeah Oh Judge Dredd Judge Dredd There we go There's a There's a Okay best
Starting point is 00:54:57 I don't want to talk about Carl Urban You son of a bitch Carl Urban I snagged you on Carl Urban Judge Dredd Worst one
Starting point is 00:55:03 Sylvester Stallone God damn it I had this written down here. I just wrote it like two minutes ago. How do you like that? Let's talk about that. Okay. Carl Urban, what do you think?
Starting point is 00:55:11 Good. You know what? It's a testament to someone who can just act with the lower half of their face. Yeah. I mean, it's not earth-shaking acting. No. Or by any means. But he realised that the major drawcard of Joe Treader's
Starting point is 00:55:28 is he doesn't take the mask off. He doesn't take the helmet off at any point. The ego didn't enter into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They weren't like, we've got to show his face because everyone wants to see Carl Urban. Yeah, yeah. Who's amazing, by the way.
Starting point is 00:55:37 Almost human, I've said this before. Great show. Great sci-fi show about AI. Yeah. He's really well cast in that movie. And that movie does have a lot of the slow-mo effects. They're really great. And it plays for a good reason.
Starting point is 00:55:51 Because a lot of slow-mo is done for no reason. And that makes a lot of sense. Because it's a drug. Like if you're on, say, a motorcycle spinning around and you've got four guns in your hands. Doves fly into your face. Yeah, definitely Great choice Sylvester Stallone on the other hand
Starting point is 00:56:08 What a prick Oh, that's right, you hate him From several minutes ago You just told me you hated him Look, he's good at that particular thing that he does I kind of like that But he pissed away his career Because it's so ridiculous
Starting point is 00:56:20 Like When I saw the trailer for the most recent Dread, I was against it because that universe sort of looks... It's not crazy sci-fi enough. No. But then, having watched it, it does make perfect sense. Like, there shouldn't be hovercars and, you know, etc, etc. Yeah. Because there's been a nuclear war And why do you need Hover cars
Starting point is 00:56:46 If your factories can already make Just pick up trucks It does make perfect sense when you think about it I do definitely have a soft spot For the insane Megacity one It's filled with freaks and flying cars It is a very funny movie
Starting point is 00:57:02 Even though it's not good I think, I remember I heard... It's got Mean Machine in it. Mean Machine. You can go with the dial on his head. It's got an ABC warrior which was like
Starting point is 00:57:12 the giant robot guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he fights mutants. Yeah, he fights mutants. With like a metal thing stapled to his head. Yeah, yeah, uh-huh. He spends most of the movie
Starting point is 00:57:20 without the mask on. I think it's like eight or ten minutes in he takes the mask off. Oh, and Amanda Sante mask off oh and Amanda Santay is in that Amanda Santay who's insane
Starting point is 00:57:26 in that movie but in a good way they're brothers in it or whatever yeah what a great movie great best casting
Starting point is 00:57:34 yeah I heard an interview with Mark Kermode you know he's a British film reviewer he's great he's probably my favourite film
Starting point is 00:57:40 Mark Kermode did you say Kermode yeah The Toilet is that his name yeah he's the best I love him great podcast as well everyone should listen. Mark Kermode, did you say? Kermode, yeah. The Toilet? Is that his nickname? Yeah, it's great.
Starting point is 00:57:45 He's the best. I love him. Great podcast as well. Everyone should listen to it. Kermode and Mayo. Anyway, or it might be Kermode, which I think is still the same. But he basically said he interviewed Stallone once in a car park about Judge Dredd, and they were talking about why... Were they about to fight?
Starting point is 00:58:01 Is that why? He broke a pool cue over his head and he gets him out of the parking lot and he's like, can I interview him about Judge Dredd before you beat me up? You know what annoys me also? Before you inject some horse human growth hormone
Starting point is 00:58:14 or whatever and fight me in a car park? You know what also annoys me about Judge, not Judge, Stallone, more so than Schwarzenegger? He thinks he's an actual, legitimate, tough guy. And that annoys me. He's very muscular and whatever. Do you remember when he got busted for trying to smuggle human growth hormone into Australia?
Starting point is 00:58:30 He did. So weird. You can't be without it for two weeks? Come on. I doubt he was even here for two weeks. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it annoys me when people like that, like Seagal is the same. Yeah, yeah. And probably a little bit Van Damme. But he's a law man.
Starting point is 00:58:44 That's true. It's not true. That's true. Where probably a little bit Van Damme. But he's a law man. That's true. That's not true. That's true. Where they think they're legitimate tough guys. Right. And it just annoys me, because if you put that guy, and I'm not a tough guy, so this isn't coming from me going, I could beat him up, because I definitely couldn't. My point is, 90% of the male population could beat up Stallone.
Starting point is 00:59:00 Right. And he's under the impression that that's not the case. Oh, I see, right. Anyway, in this fight Carpark... So if you are 90% of the population of, say, America just all go to his house and beat him up. Do I say male population as well?
Starting point is 00:59:14 I'd say a lot of that is female population. Probably too, yeah. Thank you. Just to clear that clear the air there. Anyway, the Carpark and Stallone said, yeah, the problem was when I came on set and I had the suit on and the mask the problem with that movie was, nobody laughed. Like, none of the cast laughed. So he clearly didn't understand the character.
Starting point is 00:59:31 Judge Dredd isn't supposed to be funny. Oh, I mean... Not in that way. Not like, what a wacky costume. Yeah, that's true. I mean, I know it's satirical and blah-de-blah-de-blah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Well, he is... I know it's satirical and blah blah blah Yeah What's weird is he's supposed to be an American character Who is a A satire of the fascism Of Thatcher's Britain Which is an odd place to start from Sure Yeah I do have a soft spot for that film but he's not Great
Starting point is 01:00:04 Rob Schneider's in it as well. Or Roy Schneider. Yeah. Or Roy Schneider, just fighting sharks all day. Yeah. Sequest DSV. I used to love that show. Yeah, and then they went to space.
Starting point is 01:00:16 Did they? Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. Look, Mark Hamill was in that briefly as well. We have diverged, so this is just us saying things now. Talking dolphin in that as well. Okay. There is, if you haven't seen it i think it's called minty yeah i haven't seen it but i know it's a judge dread
Starting point is 01:00:32 short film featuring that you know minor character judge minty as he goes sort of in the in the in the dread universe when you're a judge for for various reasons, you can take the long walk, which is you leave the megacity and you go out into the cursed earth and you just spend the short remains of your life just fighting mutants. And it's a short film about that. Is it like an honorable thing? Honorable way to go out or whatever? Yeah, kind of, yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:00 Cool. Yeah, and it's a short film about that and it looks really fantastic and it's quite good so it's sort of it's sort of a midpoint between the original Judge Dredd film
Starting point is 01:01:11 and the new one like it's like he's got the sort of the classic Judge outfit on yeah and it's
Starting point is 01:01:19 but it's quite it's more on the on the new Dredd tip well that movie tanked, unfortunately, as well. It did, so there'd probably be no sequels, which is a shame. Well, apparently it sold pretty well on Blu-ray,
Starting point is 01:01:31 and there's been petitions online for it to come back, but I don't think it will. Maybe there'll be a Thomas Jane-esque Punisher dirty laundry five-minute short film with Carl Urban in it. That'd be awesome. Can we talk about Punisher? Great casting. Ray Stevenson as the Punisher
Starting point is 01:01:46 looks fantastic in Punisher Warzone I don't have much to say about that no I don't have a worst no Thomas Jane he's still good
Starting point is 01:01:54 but you think Ray Stevenson Ray Stevenson has the look he has the kind of the Punisher Max sorry we've done
Starting point is 01:02:00 that before and yeah just that I don't know just just that tough edge. He looks like an old guy who's been just murdering the mafia for a long time. Yeah. And I think that's great, yeah. Yeah, he is good.
Starting point is 01:02:13 And he's in, um, he's Volstagg. In the Thor films. Yeah, yeah, totally, yeah. Okay, I've got one on the flip side of that then. Okay. Now, I don't know whether this is... Vin Diesel as the pacifier. Is that what you were going to say? That's what I was going to say.
Starting point is 01:02:26 Moving on. Now my next one, I don't know whether this is miscast or I just think this movie is terrible. I think it's a bit of both. Everything and everyone... Loves Raymond. In League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Yeah, no that's just a terrible film. Hang on, maybe somebody's good in that.
Starting point is 01:02:44 Nope, everybody's bad in that, you're right. The guy played Tom Sawyer. Sean Connery, I don't even know if that's miscast, but I think it's more that he doesn't seem to know what is happening. Correct. Last movie he ever did, and I think I've said this before, the only reason he did it is because he turned down The Matrix because he didn't understand
Starting point is 01:03:00 it. He turned down Lord of the Rings because he didn't understand it, and he didn't understand League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, but he thought, you know what, I'm not missing that again. And then he retired immediately after. So, there you go. I think that might just be that I hate that movie. I think that's probably it, yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:16 You got one? Let me think. Ron Perlman and Hellboy. Ah, I had that too. I also had with Ron Perlman, Doug Jones as H.A.P. Jeffrey Tambor as well. Yeah, Ah, I had that too. I also had with Ron Perlman, Doug Jones as H-Sapien. Jeffrey Tambor as well. Voice of, yeah, okay. Yeah, okay, I forgot about that.
Starting point is 01:03:29 Yeah, he's fantastic in that, yeah. Yeah. And Voice of H-Sapien, what's his face? It was Doug Jones in the sequel, but in the original it was Frazier's brother. Frazier's brother. There we go. David Hyde Pierce. David Hyde Pierce, there we go.
Starting point is 01:03:40 Yep, okay, good. We're tying it together again. Yeah. Seinfeld's happening again. Great movie cast yeah definitely Selma Blair I guess as well you know
Starting point is 01:03:48 that's a good choice it's fine don't get all over it it's fine Jessica Alba whatever doesn't matter yeah great choice
Starting point is 01:03:55 I mean Ron Perlman you'd think they would've picked a Ron Perlman because he's nearly 60 now I think he is 60 oh he's 60 now there you go
Starting point is 01:04:04 or more or less. Or exactly. Ages ain't nothing but a number, man. You know, you're only as old as you feel. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Ron Perlman probably feels pretty old.
Starting point is 01:04:13 Well, he says it's really taxing doing those movies because he's wearing, you know, 50 pounds of prosthetics. And he's always probably listening to one side because one of his hands is giant. You know, recently, actually,
Starting point is 01:04:27 he put all that makeup on again recently. I think I know where this is going. Ah, yeah. To visit a kid in hospital.
Starting point is 01:04:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I love. That's pretty good. I love that stuff. Yeah, yeah. You never see Stallone put on his Judge Dredd hat
Starting point is 01:04:37 and go in. You never see him put on his Expendables little beret thing, do you, eh? You might. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:43 You know, Stallone also hates comic book movies and he's like, they're not real action stars. Bleh. He said that before. Shut eh? You might. Yeah. You know Stallone also hates comic book movies. He's like, they're not real action stars. Bleh. He said that before. Shut up, Stallone. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:50 I'm really beginning to hate this guy. Maybe it's your influence. I don't know. I think it is. I thought he was a stand-up guy until this point. Yeah. Yeah. Prick.
Starting point is 01:04:58 Great demolition man, though. What a great movie. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect casting. I got one on the flip side. Okay, ready? Yeah. Are you ready or am I ready? I'm ready. Are you ready? I'm ready to listen. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect casting. I got one on the flip side. Okay. Ready? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:05 Are you ready or am I ready? I'm ready. Are you ready? I'm ready to listen. Okay. Good. This is actually auto-corrected on my iPad. It says, go for grace.
Starting point is 01:05:14 Fantastic. Obviously, go for grace as Vedim. I think he would have made a better Peter Parker. Yeah. A better than Tobey Maguire. Correct. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:05:22 Yeah. Fair point. I mean, remove evil from the equation. I never can. You can't. That's the problem with the world. Yep, you're right. Wow.
Starting point is 01:05:30 Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, I'll pay that. I would have preferred... Because I think they wanted someone who was physically similar to Tobey Maguire. So, I don't know. I feel Venom needs a bigger guy. Because Eddie Brock in the comics is always like bodybuilder style. Yeah, that's exactly right, yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:48 And I know Tobey Grace did say he put on muscle for whatever, whatever. But it doesn't really show. No. He did work out like a mad dog, certainly. You know, for Spider-Man 2, Tobey had a back injury. And there was a whole money kind of dispute or whatever. So they basically said to him, you're out. Gyllenhaal, you're in.
Starting point is 01:06:05 Oh, yeah. Maggie Gyllenhaal. Jake Gyllenhaal. And then Tamek would go, no, no, I'm back. Okay. Jake Gyllenhaal would have been a better Spider-Man. I think you're right, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:14 Yeah, yeah. But hey, we'll never know that. We'll never know. That's true. Yeah. So yeah, go for grace. Not a good Venom. Not at all.
Starting point is 01:06:24 Although he did have the teeth. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha Venom. Not at all. Although he did have the teeth. Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. Ho, ho, ho, ho. Ho, ho. Have you got any mores? Ah, who do I have? Let's see who did that one. I mean, you've got your classic,
Starting point is 01:06:35 you've got obviously your Heath Ledger's, your Patrick's. That is the best cast. That is probably, and we've said this, I won't go over it again, but that is the best casting in a comic book movie ever, I think.
Starting point is 01:06:43 Fair point. Best villainous performance ever, I think. And I called that at the time. No casting in a comic book movie ever I think fair point best villainous performance ever I think and I called that at the time no you didn't no I said great choice
Starting point is 01:06:50 because he's an amazing actor you say so many things that it doesn't I wasn't doing videos then oh okay I can't prove it so there's no proof okay fantastic
Starting point is 01:06:58 but he'd just done Brokeback Mountain and he was just he'd done a kind of bunch of middling films like I like A Knight's Tale and that's a good movie and whatever he'd done a bunch of bunch of middling films like i like a knight's tale that's a good movie and whatever he's done a bunch of kind of stuff like that yeah and then he did broke back mountain i can't remember something else and then it was kind of like
Starting point is 01:07:12 well this guy can really act dark knight dead so yeah travesty that's a shame but yeah amazing choice uh let me i've got one more yep uh It's a bad one Yep Jennifer Garner Elektra I mean again Probably because we hate The film is not great Did we see that at the movies?
Starting point is 01:07:31 Must have done I mean I enjoy working many things Sure She was great in Alias That was fun Suddenly 30 Yeah great
Starting point is 01:07:41 Fantastic That movie with the terrorism. Terrorism? Yeah, terrorism. Oh, the one with Jamie Foxx. Yes. I don't think that's a good movie. Yeah, but anyway, not Greek.
Starting point is 01:07:52 I think that's pretty much what it boils down to. Electricity, probably Greek. Yeah. Yeah. Nachios. Nachios, yeah. Yeah, there you go. Good point.
Starting point is 01:08:00 I got one for good. Okay. Gary Oldman, Commissioner Gordon. Good. Fantastic. Got the moustache. Uh- Fantastic. Got the moustache. Uh-huh. Got the pistachios.
Starting point is 01:08:09 Yes. I don't know what that means. It's an acting term. Yeah, it is. Nuts. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, great Commissioner Gordon.
Starting point is 01:08:18 He would fit into any Batman universe. Like, if you made a more comic book kind of Batman universe Commissioner Gordon is always grounded always a guy always a gruff kind of moustachioed would you watch a film yep
Starting point is 01:08:30 where Gary Oldman as Commissioner Gordon is doing a press conference and J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson is in the press pool
Starting point is 01:08:41 right because all his reporters have called in sick for some reason and he's really annoyed that he has to go out into the field and interview Gary Oldman, and it's just a back and forth
Starting point is 01:08:52 fight between the two. How good would that be? I'd watch that. That would be amazing, are you kidding me? And then there's, you know what, that, and it ends with you know what, there's a series of scuffles. It's two hours long and there's a series of scuffles throughout the film. Definitely.
Starting point is 01:09:09 I would watch that. Greatest movie ever made. Definitely. That's the best reason to cross over anything ever. I think so. You know one of the best crossover comics, not relevant, that you gave to me once? The Batman vs. Predator comic. The first one.
Starting point is 01:09:21 Yeah, the first one was really good. It was amazing. The next few, awful. Yeah. There's a Superman one which sucks. Yeah. The best intercompany crossover
Starting point is 01:09:29 ever, I think. It's DC... Sorry, it's Marvel and Archie comics. Okay. The Punisher meets Archie. That's not real. No, it's a real thing.
Starting point is 01:09:37 It's an actual real thing. What year? Ah, mid to late 90s, I think. What? Okay, basically the Punisher is searching for a villain who looks a lot like Archie Andrews. And so he gets a hot lead and he ends up in Riverdale
Starting point is 01:09:57 where he has to track down this villain at the Riverdale prom. And it's great because nobody is out of character at any point like the Punisher is the Punisher and Archie is happy-go-lucky
Starting point is 01:10:11 Archie in Riverdale and they team up sort of and it's the best that sounds amazing it is amazing yeah get that on your
Starting point is 01:10:21 app I bloody will get that on your comics I was going to say about the Batman thing just quickly what I love about it
Starting point is 01:10:27 the predator goes after the Batman because the Batman is the greatest whatever whatever and at the end Batman just beats him to death
Starting point is 01:10:34 with a baseball bat that's actually that's a really good point that is good old American know how yeah because he can because he's an alien so the rule doesn't
Starting point is 01:10:41 apply so he can kill him it's fine he doesn't kill him though doesn't he kill him he pulps, so he can kill him, it's fine. He doesn't kill him, though. Doesn't he kill him? He pulps him a lot. And then he, if you recall, he wins and there's like... And they give him a gun or whatever.
Starting point is 01:10:53 The Predator admits defeat. And doesn't explode himself? He doesn't, because then the remaining Predators come down from space. And they're like, okay, break it up. Break it up, boys. No, and they hand the Predator like a ceremon sword, and the Predator kills himself with that. Oh, that's right. And then they present Batman with the ceremonial sword, which he puts in the Batcave.
Starting point is 01:11:09 Batman should have just killed them all. Yeah, that's a really good point. Yeah. Great crossover. Alright, I got one more for bad. Okay, I'm ready. It's got to be real bad. It's so bad.
Starting point is 01:11:20 Fantastic. Chris O'Donnell as Robin, and I'll tell you why. Shaved head. Fine, whatever. Fantastic. Chris O'Donnell as Robin. And I'll tell you why. Shaved head. Fine. Whatever. At the time that movie came out and I looked this up guess how old Christopher Robin Chris O'Donnell was.
Starting point is 01:11:36 I don't know how. 25. Batman adopted a grown man. Yeah that's very odd isn't it. And I know they probably wanted to get away from the whole it's weird if Batman adopts a kid. It's weirder if he adopts a 25 year old man. Yeah, that's very odd, isn't it? Yeah. And I know they probably wanted to get away from the whole it's weird if Batman adopts a kid. It's weirder if he adopts
Starting point is 01:11:48 a 25-year-old man. It's very odd and also they're the same height pretty much. Yeah. Especially in the second... And build. Yeah, height and build.
Starting point is 01:11:56 Chris O'Donnell may even be bigger. Yeah, possibly, yeah. Than Clooney, probably. Yeah, yeah. Clooney's not a good choice there either. I mean, he's charismatic
Starting point is 01:12:03 but he's not Bruce Wayne charismatic. There's no edge to him at all. No.oney's not a good choice there either. I mean, he's charismatic but he's not Bruce Wayne charismatic. There's no edge to him at all. He's just a genial kind of... But I think in the right movie,
Starting point is 01:12:10 Clooney would be a good Batman. Yeah, maybe, yeah. A good older Batman. What's the one that he came out recently where his wife's in a coma?
Starting point is 01:12:17 Can't remember. He's great. I was going to say, when I was growing up, I always thought that American children were much bigger than Australian children. And that's because all American TV and movies, you had sort of high school age characters being played by like 25 year olds. And so I was always terrified.
Starting point is 01:12:41 I was terrified that Americans would come over here and beat us all up. Like they'd just send their children. They'd send their children. Yeah. I mean, you've got that at school. You've got that one giant kid who looks like he's 25, but everyone else looks like a goon until they're like 23. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:13:00 So, yeah. That's very true, though. Yeah, yeah. They even still do that now. How old was Tom Wally when he did Smallville? He must have been mid to late 20s. At least, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:10 Weird. Fantastic. Okay, I've got a couple ones here that I've just kind of listed here. Okay, right. Heath Ledger, talked about. Yep. Patrick Stewart, great choice, I think. It's kind of like the default kind of...
Starting point is 01:13:21 Of course, it's Patrick Stewart. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's a bald guy. He's a bald guy, sure. Robert Downey Jr. Christopher Reeves? I think it's Patrick Stewart oh yeah yeah he's a bald guy he's a bald guy sure Robert Downey Jr Christopher Reeves I think it's Christopher Reeve
Starting point is 01:13:29 I wasn't going to correct you earlier I was going to correct you earlier but then he's one of my heroes you're not the first one to make that mistake though
Starting point is 01:13:37 he's one of my heroes and I was really sad when he died him Paul Newman Steve McQueen Greg Kinnear not good
Starting point is 01:13:44 not true not dead no not true I do like Greg Kinnear. Not true, not dead. No, not true. I do like Greg Kinnear, but those three are my heroes. Dead. And what's his name? The Blonde Guy. Robert Redford, still alive. The Blonde Guy.
Starting point is 01:13:57 The Blonde Guy. Really happy that he's not dead. Yeah, great. I've got a couple bad ones here as well. Okay, I'm ready. These are kind of default. Halle Berry as Catwoman Slash Storm
Starting point is 01:14:06 You don't like her Storm? No I'm indifferent But the Catwoman I didn't see it That's probably more a bad movie And the other one is And I can't believe you didn't bring this up
Starting point is 01:14:22 Shaq as Steel. I see, I haven't seen it. I can't pass it up to you. Maybe it's great. Maybe it's great. Let's end on that then. Fantastic. On that questionable, never know the answer to. Now, last week there was a comment on one of my YouTube videos. Uh-huh, Mr. Sunday Moosie.
Starting point is 01:14:41 Mr. Sunday Moosie, that's right,ie that's right which you found super amusing so I thought maybe we could introduce a new section called The Craziest Lunatic fantastic no just just like
Starting point is 01:14:55 an amusing or insane comment I'm ready for it because most of the stuff but see I don't want people to just comment you're right yeah
Starting point is 01:15:01 you know what folks no competition if we have a look at one and for the record I'm not going to look at any comments, but if one happens to crop up... Every now and then, we might. We might bring one in. But I can tell.
Starting point is 01:15:12 If you come out and you say, oh, aliens are imparting thoughts in my brain, lizard men, I'm... Like, I'll know. Yeah. I'm good at that. Yeah. I'm good at the internet. You're great at the internet.
Starting point is 01:15:24 So don't try and trick me. And it's kind of a shame that we'd focus on the crazy and the lunatics then. So many nice comments. So many genuinely insightful things. And I'm just like, this guy's a lunatic. We should probably say it though because he's a lunatic. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:15:38 So this is from, should I say his name? Nah. Nah. This is from Green Minded. Two words. Okay. Fantastic. That's his name. Okay. This is from Green Minded. Two words. Okay, fantastic. That's his name.
Starting point is 01:15:45 Okay. Or his YouTube name. This is about my video, Is Gal Gadot a Good Choice for Wonder Woman? Which is a clip of us talking about that. Yeah. And the result was, we're indifferent, I think. I can't remember what we said, but probably. Okay. Which is probably going to be great. They should stick to Megan Fox because, B-C-O-Z, should I just read it as is? Yes, please. Okay, they should stick to, oh, riddle with, um, no grammar, by the way. Okay, they should stick to Megan Fox because her body is perfect. Perfect for bikini costume, Gal Gadot should drink 60 gallon of horse semen protein mixed with condensed milk
Starting point is 01:16:28 and 20 gallon of bodybuilder's semen to gain weight. And sex exercise. Ha ha! And sex is in capitals. Fantastic. Well, why wouldn't it be? Otherwise we might misunderstand that. That's amazing. That's a lot of semen from various sources
Starting point is 01:16:46 to what end? I don't understand I don't know is he saying that she would or she we don't know that's a really good point
Starting point is 01:16:53 actually I apologise they're saying that then they would be worthy of the role or they bulk up I think with semen with a lot of semen
Starting point is 01:17:02 as all bodybuilders do does that work? just curious asking for a friend does that does that work at all i don't it's 100 accurate anyway congratulations to you green minded you've won our comment of the week or something let's not make this a regular thing yeah yeah that's great that That'll do it, eh? Fantastic. Now, next week, we might record this one a little bit earlier and then release it around New Year's, because I'm going away.
Starting point is 01:17:31 I think, are you going away? Or are you dying? Yeah, I'm dying. So this will be the last one, but it's going to be great. So we're going to do our best and worst movies of the year. Fantastic. From all the big blockbusters, we've pretty much done all the comic book movie ones.
Starting point is 01:17:44 Are they good are they Oscar contenders have I seen them at all it's a mystery what will happen next week on the podcast the main reason
Starting point is 01:17:52 I want to do it is because I want to rant about Star Trek Into Darkness okay good haven't you done enough mate I have
Starting point is 01:17:58 that is easily I've got I've put that video up about Star Trek Into Darkness not being good and it got 150,000 views. Oh, I see what this is.
Starting point is 01:18:06 You're chasing your achievement. I must be. Yeah, yeah. But it's easily, like, it's clearly something that people are passionate about. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, the director of Star Trek, not the director, one of the writers from Star Trek Into Darkness, he went on a Star Trek forum to defend the film and said something like, this is why you idiots aren't writing films, and I am.
Starting point is 01:18:24 And he went on this whole tirade about how we're wrong because it made the most money ever and he rejuvenated the franchise. And we're idiots. We are idiots, though. Yeah, he's right. But yeah, I think if the general consensus is your thing is not very good,
Starting point is 01:18:39 it's probably not. I liked it. Whatever, man. No, I think as a film, it works. As a Star Trek film, it is horse semen. Wow. How many gallons? 20.
Starting point is 01:18:51 Yeah, wow. Bunk you right up. That's a lot of semen. Yeah, yeah. And I'm going to tell you why later. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Well, absolutely.
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Starting point is 01:19:26 Yeah, have a good holiday season. Take care. Look after yourselves. Hey, I'm just going to step out the door for a second. Hey, wait a second. If we were in here recording the podcast, like I left some milk and cookies on the couch. If we were in here recording the podcast, who had all the milk? Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. Oh my goodness.
Starting point is 01:19:49 It's real. Oh. Merry Christmas, folks. Merry Christmas. See you next time. Bye. Bye.

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