The Weekly Planet - 141 Big Justice League News & Independence Day: Resurgence

Episode Date: June 27, 2016

Massive week for Justice League news with a set visit bringing us news of a tonal shift, new costumes, vehicles, scene descriptions and a mullet for Superman (hopefully). We also get stuck right into Independence Day:Resurgence, Rogue One returning Star Wars characters, Indiana Jones 5, whose controlling Spider-man and more! Thanks for listening everyone. Yous guys are alright.3:45 Anton Yelchin RIP at 275:56 Rogue One info11:02 Indiana Jones 5 reboot12:15 New Ghostbusters theme12:46 Spider-man news14:42 Bryan Cranston is Zordon18:52 Big Justice League info dump!#MulletForSuperman image https://goo.gl/2q8jerhttps://twitter.com/ZackSnyderhttps://twitter.com/geoffjohnshttps://www.instagram.com/henrycavillhttps://twitter.com/BenAffleckhttps://goo.gl/SQ93FE42:43 Independence Day: Resurgence Spoiler Free Review1:00:21 Independence Day: Resurgence Spoiler Review1:14:00 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read1:18:18 Letters It’s Time For LettersElseworld Exchange Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx_5yGOtXmYWeekly Planet Comic: https://goo.gl/i1jermIndependence Day Commentary: https://www.patreon.com/MrSundayMovieshttps://weeklyplanetpod.bandcamp.com/Buy the Independence Day 2-Pack on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2M5eaPOPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesMr Sunday Movies YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/lB90W2The Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind our T-Shirts here: https://goo.gl/q6gE9C Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Red hot comic book movie news Shooting up your bowl Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet, an official podcast of comicbookmovie.com where we talk movies, comics, TV shows, sometimes video games. Not this week. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday. With me as always is my co-host, my dog, and Nick Mason. I'm being attacked by a dog. I'm being attacked by a dog. I'm being attacked by a vicious dog that I insisted sit with me on the couch.

She's pretty good. Hey, dog. Do you like her spirit? Yeah. Speaking of spirits. Speaking of spirits, you're drinking wine. Yeah, I am drinking wine. You're drinking wine out of like a...

A regular glass. Just a regular glass. Because as I told you before the show, I'm against wine glasses. They're dumb. Why do you have to drink a certain glass, like a certain drink from a certain glass? Because you've got to swirl it. No, you don't. That's all bullshit.

Champagne flutes, dumb. You have to swirl it smugly. It's too small for your mouth. It's no good. Do you put your nose in it when you drink? Just drink everything out of a sack. That's what I say. Just a Hessian sack.

Hold it over your mouth and just wring it into your mouth. Just drink your wine out of a bloody, like an animal bladder or something. Like you've fashioned into a drinking. Or a fine lute-crated drinking horn, which is how I do most of my drinking. You know you do. Sad news to start with. I hate sad news. I know. Wish all you do. Sad news to start with. Yeah, earlier in the week. I hate sad news.

I know. Wish all news were happy news. Another massive loss. Anton Yelchin dead at 27. 27, brutal. Yeah. So what was believed to have happened is he got out to check his mailbox and his car rolled.

Yeah. And I was on a steep incline and it pinned him against the wall and killed him. They found him in the morning. Horrible. So, man, that's awful. Yeah, seemed like a wonderful human being. He really did.

And he was Chekhov in the Star Trek reboot. He was in a movie called Charlie Bartlett where he's like a high school student who gets like his, he sort of starts supplying like psychiatric drugs to his fellow students and he sort of becomes their psychoanalyst. Gotcha. I haven't seen that one. It's got Kat Dennings and Robert Downey Jr. Oh, cool.

It's real good. I really like Like Crazy. Yeah, yeah. It's him and Felicity Jones who's in the upcoming Star Wars movie. It's a really good and kind of, I don't know, it's a really, it's kind of a love story but it's it's a really it's it's kind of it's a love story but it's not like and everything's okay and when it's like it's it's how that like hey maybe love doesn't triumph over everything mason no despite what you think oh you naive idiot oh well this has been a sad episode for me i know and you know what i shouldn't say this but every time someone dies

i'm more i think of like five people I would have rather died top of that list name them Shia LaBeouf look I'm not saying I wish he was dead I would be sad if he died but I'm just saying

if I had to make the choice if you put a gun in my head okay and the four people the other four people are just people you know personally

yeah absolutely they're famous no no that's a shame I hear it was great in Green Room as well yeah I've heard that's really good

I want to get around to it. Obviously, I don't wish anybody else did. But whenever someone dies, I'm never like, okay. Like, it's always bad news. Even like personally, it's never like, I hated him. Good. It's always someone that you like. Yeah, it's been a bad year.

It's been a bad year. Yeah. So, it is what it is. Hopefully, Mason, news of this star wars road rogue one well i know you want to say something i was gonna say i hope you've got a sweet segue for this to make us all happy again i think rogue one will make it's a dog it's a dog attack by a dog but in a funny way sorry rogue one so yeah there was an Entertainment Weekly story.

A few things were kind of like they released a lot of images and confirmed certain characters like Mads Mikkelsen is playing, what's her name's father, Jim Urso's father, and he's kind of like the Oppenheimer. So, you know, he made the Death Star, but then he's like, maybe I shouldn't have made this giant world-destroying laser. I'm having second thoughts. But the two of the biggest reveals, this one we already knew. It was pretty much confirmed.

Darth Vader is in. Now, he's going to be used sparingly, but in a key strategic moment. So there's like a beach-storming kind of scene. Maybe it's that. And he's like, me, it's me, I'm Darth Vader. And he's in the back. Absolutely. Is there anything you want to see him do?

James Earl Jones back as well, 85. Yeah. Because he's in Rebels. People are like, can you believe he's back? And David Prowse is out, so they're packing James Earl Jones into the suit. That's Hollywood, baby. Just get him in there. I would like to see him defeat a legion of rebel troops by himself.

Yes. I think that would be good. Absolutely. Because, I mean, he's, you know, clearly very powerful in the Force and all the movies, but we never see him. It's always, he's choking a general. Through a screen. Yeah, through a screen, or he's fighting a Jedi one-on-one.

Yeah, yeah. I'd like to see him. Or not even a Jedi, like, a not very good Jedi. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like yeah. I'd like to see him... Or not even a Jedi, like a not very good Jedi. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I want to see him... Or an old man. Just cut through the rebel ranks. Cut a swath, exactly, yeah.

Do you mind if I move your mic a little bit closer? I think it's like a fraction too far, according to this headset that I'm wearing. Oh, yeah, how about now? That's better. Yeah, I want to see him like... Oh, it's worse for me. Oh, yeah.

I want to see him operate like a tank. Yeah, absolutely. I completely agree with you. I really, I've got this image in my mind that I want to see... I was going to say, but would that result in any continuity errors? Is there any, in the later films, is there any kind of situation where if he were able to do that, it would ruin... Well, that's the thing. I'm speculating. Oh, yeah.

And this is probably not true. He's got insider information. I do not, ever. But first of all, yeah, the thing I want to see, I want to see him pick up a rebel soldier, like choke him with his mind and then use him as a human shield. Sure, right.

Like just kind of, you know, like he's about to get shot and he just pulls a rubber soldier in front of him and he just takes, like, eight blaster bolts. But no, I think he's going to be much more dangerous in this and then he gets injured because he's significantly slower in A New Hope. Like, when he's fighting Obi-Wan Kenobi, the stuff you see him do in the comics prior to this,

he's much more dangerous than what you kind of see him do. Oh, interesting. And there is a guy we see in a bacta tank. So I'm wondering if he does get swamped and he gets injured. And that's why he's so proused. Yeah, so surprised. In the four, five, and six. Okay, sure, I get it.

But, you know, that's... That would make a lot of sense. It would, but I don't know. What else was I going to say? You know, the blind Jedi who's... No, he's not a Jedi, sorry. There's a blind soldier in it. Apparently, he's got some connection to the Force,

so he's a spiritual man, so he's kind of used his... He's not a Jedi. Maybe he was. I don't think that he was, and I doubt he'd have a lightsaber, but that's why he's able to kind of take out... Like most people in the Star Wars universe, he's Force-sensitive.

Yes, that's right. He's got a destiny. Man, woman, droid, plant, force sensitive. Planet. Doesn't matter. The other thing is Forrest Whitaker's character is actually from canon. I've heard that, yeah. He's a character from The Clone Wars, which I haven't seen all the way through.

Apparently, he gets really good at season three, and I'm like, I just can't not do it. And if you start at three, who knows if you'd recognize any of the characters and know what's happening. Yeah, exactly. But he's playing saw guerrera he's a rebel but he's like a rebellious rebel even more so rebel turned renegade yeah so they don't they don't he's like their punisher so he's too rebellious for the rebellion yeah so he's he's fought alongside anakin skywalker in the clone wars like he was trained to fight during that war and now he's kind of he's he's like what's happened here I don't agree with this I'm Forrest Whitaker great I'm not surprised they're bringing in turning your badge Forrest Whitaker you know that badge we gave you for being slightly rebellious that lets you into the rebellion

hand that back because you're too rebellious here's a different badge it says you're too rebellious now wear that so people will know you're not going to wear it okay that fits with who you are as a person you passed the final test but seriously wear the badge yeah please yeah look they are going to be obviously drawing from the canon they're just going to say it's the extended universe whatever the bloody hell they want to call it now but i don't think we're going to get any this is one of those situations where it fits with the canon but you don't need to know who he is great good yeah and that's what that's what you're about isn't it so there's a bunch of other images go check them easy it's the easy listening of movies just show up this better all make sense. Absolutely.

Bob Iger, CEO of Disney, has also said that Indiana Jones right now, their focus is on a reboot or a continuum and then a sort of reboot of sorts after that. So I'm thinking they'll get Harrison Ford. He's going to do one more. I think what happened is I think they wrote that into his Star Wars contract. I'm sure he went, I'll be Han Solo, want to do another indiana jones film because he's always i don't know right okay but he's but he's always liked he does know insider information he's always liked indiana jones and you see in all his interviews over the years he's always

been very pro indiana jones but does he necessarily have to hold a gun to anyone's head to become indiana jones surely he'd just walk in and be like, I want to do another one. And people would just drop. No, but I feel like maybe Disney would have gone, well, let's get somebody younger and kind of, and maybe that was, or maybe not. I don't know. But this is, I think they're going to recast it. Maybe this one will be like a modern day Indiana Jones.

Well, you know, age appropriate Indiana Jones. And then maybe some flashbacks with a younger actor. Okay, sure. Or maybe they'll do one more Harrison Ford and then they'll go get a younger actor. James Bond, where they just get a different person. Emily Blunt, sure. Yeah, Emily Blunt.

Make everybody happy. Thank you. Get the female Ghostbusters in. Did you hear the new Ghostbusters song? I saw that it was by Fall Out Boy and I decided not to listen to it. Yeah, look, it's it's like all movie theme songs like it's not it's not good but it's not it's not the goat it's not the old ghostbusters theme there are the shades of it but yeah yeah okay yeah but sure yeah it's like

take a look around theme from m.i. it's the information possible too by okay yeah okay i'll find that yeah which is once again a classic so track that down if you if you like spider-man stuff has been said the sony ceo ceo said uh he was asked who has like the green light authority on spider-man because as we know he's being shared back with marvel yeah but sony still own him uh they've deferred he said they've deferred creative control uh to marvel but they have ultimate authority they did that because they know what they're doing marvel know what they're doing and he said uh look we don't yeah i'll be honest with you we haven't known for years we just just throw everything at the wall we just buy some stuff and see if it makes us more money

sometimes look help just help yeah he's taking a bit of flack for this because they said uh he was asked do you want to trim the cost of that franchise and he says i don't want to trim costs i want to make money which i think is fine yes that's what he's not it's not a charity yeah exactly uh and sometimes you make money by trimming costs and sometimes by investing in things that are profitable a movie like spider-man by marvel that's not inexpensive but it's a great investment knowing that marvel has a clear creative vision i sleep very well at night there you go so obviously with the fishes he was murdered oh was he yeah that's terrible 27 as well i wish it was charlotte boof i don't mean that i only mean in a little bit

let me just drink my wine i was gonna say by the time you finish that wine i think you will mean it at the end you'll be like i got another thing here's the other four people i wish were dead i'm a monster so yeah that's that's all good stuff for spider-man so yeah they are and he was also alluding to like we are going to expand out the universe i'm i'm all about a spider-verse movie movie. Yeah. Getting back the original, it's all the Spider-Men. Not immediately. Yeah. Kind of build to that, obviously.

I'm all for Paul Giamatti as the Rhino. Bring him back. Really? Not in the big metal suit, but in like a... With his pants pulled down in the middle of the street

like he was in that movie. Yeah. Is that what you want? Pretty much. Great. You're a sucker for the classics, aren't you? I think so, yeah.

So, Bryan Cranston is Zordon in Power Rangers. The face in the tube. Yeah, I know who Zordon is. You look so confused, though. I know who both Bryan Cranston and Zordon are, alright? It's just an odd... Like, given that there's been so many franchises where people have been like, you know, you should get Bryan Cranston.

He'd be amazing as this. He'd be amazing as this character. He'd be a great Jim Gordon, whatever. He'd be a great Lex Luthor. He'd be amazing as this character. He'd be a great Jim Gordon, whatever. He'd be a great Lex Luthor. He'd be great as all these. And he's decided to go with Zordon. Well, there's a reason for that. Does it have, like, seven zeros behind it?

No, I don't know. Is it just a real big check? No, the reason is he used to voice Power Rangers villains in the 90s. Oh, before he hit it big. He did. Wait, is this post Malcolm in the Middle? No, this is pre-Malcolm in the Middle. But I also learned this from Cape Joel.

He's a good bloke. I went to do a podcast with him. I'll talk about it later. But he told me that Billy Cranston, who's the original Blue Power Ranger, was named after Bryan Cranston. Oh, my God. Yeah. So he's been kicking around.

As well. So people are like, why would he do this? Sure. And I think that's why. I mean, I'm surprised they didn't get someone with a bigger face, like a Chickless. Chickless would have been great, yeah. Or who's Kingpin?

Oh, Vincent D'Onofrio. Michael Clark Duncan, yeah. Yeah. 27 Club. Yeah, that's it. Not true. No. So, yeah, Bryan Cranston, Zordon. Michael Clarke Duncan, yeah. Yeah. 27 Club. Yeah, that's it. Not true. No. So, yeah, Brian Cranston, Zordon.

Interesting, all right. Will he bring a certain gravitas to it? Certainly will. Do you think he'll ham it up? I am the one who morphs, he'll say. That's what he'll say. Very good. He doesn't, though, because he's Zordon.

He's just a man. He's a head in a tube. That's right. Mason, it's been a massive week for Justice League as well. In what sense? I've got a list of shit here could you say any of it I could great

do you want me to yeah alright okay good great listen they opened up the set there was a set visit they did yeah certain journos

in the world of movies us no a lot of people oh you said journos. I said journos. If you'd said certain idiots, I would have. You would have wondered where was our invite.

So basically. Certain haters. That's right. I went over to London for the Justice League set to see what they're up to. Is that Pinewood Studios? It probably was, Governor. Where's me bloody dickens?

Fresh in your Brexits. I feel the only, for anybody who doesn't know, Britain voted out of the European Union. I think everybody knows that. I'm sure everybody knows. I mean, it's only relevant to us. The question is, does that mean fewer Jason Statham movies set in Europe or more Jason Statham movies set in europe or more jason statham

movies set in europe and i'm going to say more right because the pound is worth less now so he has to do more movies that's right yeah there's a bit of a panic going on and i have my opinions mason but it's probably keep them to yourself my breakfast breakfast pod breakfast my breakfast breakfast breakfast pod okay so uh basically it was initially going to be two movies and there will be a justice League sequel in 2019, but the one coming in 2017 of November of that year, it's just going to be a standalone Justice League movie, which is probably a good idea.

See how it goes. See how it goes, absolutely. So the plot is also going to revolve around Steppenwolf and Parademon invasion impending. 1960s rock group, Steppenwolf. That's right. Magic carpet ride. Well, Eric on Twitter has said,

Steppenwolf, what is Brainiac off the table? Legion of Doom unavailable. In that case, still not excited unless they get the band Steppenwolf. Oh, yeah. Then I'm on board. So Steppenwolf is the uncle of Darkseid. Sure.

Which doesn't sound threatening. No. I mean, in a way, some uncles are very threatening. I've got some real shit uncles, Mason. Sometimes, I mean, sometimes they're like missing a thumb. Yeah, that's right. And you're like, ooh. What happened?

And they won't tell you. They won't tell you. Yeah. Yeah. Probably just slammed in a door. Exactly. Sometimes you think, sometimes they're like, they're trying to be cool with the kids. That's weird.

No, that's. Don't do it. Yeah, I'd rather fight Darkseid, if I'm honest with you. And in the process of this, Batman is inspired by Superman's sacrifice. Remember, he flew that spear into that monster. Yep. And to honor his memory, he's going to be assembling a team of justice, as it were, which includes all the-

Justice team. Justice team together, first time. It's also going to have a lighter tone. And one of the scenes they detailed was where Barry Allen meets Batman. I've heard about this scene. It seems really cool. This is a film scene. This isn't a script frame.

Yes, it's been filming for a month, a couple of months maybe. And obviously it's not finished. We've got this one scene, guys. Worked real hard on it. But by all accounts, it's very kind of Spider-Man, Homecoming, Iron Man kind of thing. So Barry Allen's very excited to meet Batman and Batman throws a Batarang

and that's how Barry Allen knows that it's... Yeah, it does seem a lot like that scene in Civil War. Sorry, I kicked my mic. But I don't dislike that at all. No, neither do I. It is a lighter tone. I made a video on it. I had a very specific request, which we will talk about in a minute.

But I said, look, it's a lighter tone, and the lighter tone is a direct response to Batman v Superman. A lot of people are like, that's not true. That was always going to be lighter. But I have a quote here that says, when Batman v Superman came out, I was like, wow, okay, o like wow okay that's what snyder said did catch me off guard i have uh i have had to in my mind make an adjustment i do think that the tone of justice league has changed because of what the fans have said so there you go even though maybe it was still going to be a brighter movie i think

it'd be naive to think that this movie isn't influenced by how batman superman was received correct even if you love it which is fine it's fine and it's cool if you love it but you're wrong but it's fine if you think that way enjoy what you like but you're definitely wrong but it's cool that's right should make a t-shirt that says i know right uh so well we can make it hyper color yes right it says if you like it it's fine and it's cool, and then you heat it up and it's like, but you're wrong. And then it's like, but it's cool.

So, yeah, a big part of this whole thing was they never, they do set visits. That's not uncommon, but normally you don't find out what was seen until maybe like a month before the movie comes out. But this is like 17 months out or whatever. What are we getting in between now and then? We're getting Suicide Squad. We're getting Wonder Woman.

Right, okay. So, yeah, it's not like we haven't got anything else coming. But I think this is very much, it's damage control, you know, and that's okay. And not the Marvel TV series damage control, which we're waiting for. That's going to be, or the DC one that they're doing as well. Powerless?

Powerless, yeah. There's a couple of them coming. Okay, so they said there's going to be like a... It's described sort of as a Lord of the Rings style opening where you're going to see ancient Atlanteans and Amazonians because this plot is going to revolve around mother boxes. And we did see both Steppenwolf and mother boxes in that deleted scene from Batman Superman.

We did, that's true, yeah. So I guess for lack of a better example, they're acting as their Infinity Stones, sort of, I guess, which is fine. It's fine. It's all right, man. You've got a bloody cosmic item. Every universe has got its own little tropes.

You've got to have certain tropes in a comic book movie, I think. That's true. You need something to strive for. That's right. A gem to grab, if you will. A box to Mother. Yeah. Raise it like a strive for. That's right. A gem to grab, if you will. A box to mother. Yeah. Raise it like a hatchling.

Is that right? Chew up your food and then vomit it into their mouths. That's right. So they also talked about the costumes, which there's been some, maybe some slight changes from the initial concept art. Because we saw in Batman v Superman, we saw only the Flash's head in that post-nightmare dream sequence.

We saw a second dream sequence. I really like that sequence. The more I think about it, the more I liked it. Yeah. I mean, the context is all over the shop, but yeah. But he's got a very wide head. Right. And it looks like he's got headphones on. And he's got long, wispy hair. And he's got a very wide head. Right. And it looks like he's got headphones on.

And he's got long, wispy hair. And he's got a mustache. I don't know if I... It's the future, man. Oh, that's a good point. You weren't thinking about it being the future. In the future, you have to grow a mustache. So maybe this one will be like regular Justice League

and the part, or not part, the sequel will be like that future nightmare, kind of flashpoint-y kind of thing. Because that would really... So maybe J.K.mons is going to get even more swole for the second one well they say that he is like cartoon accurate gordon great which is super cool the animated series yeah um the 90s one so yeah the flash has two costumes one of them is bruce wayne points out that it's made up of like stolen nasa all right so it doesn't like yeah exactly

but then bruce wayne gives him a new one that's very spider-man as well actually very much so uh cyborg is all cgi okay so he's all ping pong ball suit from the neck down though right yeah neck down no from the neck up it's just him in sweatpants like an old t-shirt then he's got a super cybernetic head wonder woman is the same which makes sense because she's been apparently she's been wearing that costume for like 5 000 years so obviously it's not really gonna there's not gonna be much alteration in that uh-huh yeah uh and batman has like he's got two suits he's got like a regular batman suit but it's got like armor plating underneath great and it's got a bluish tinge which which is a bit kind of... Well, that's Batman pre, I guess, 1989 Batman.

Yeah, that's true. But even if you look at like Jim Lee's kind of hush Batman, that's a bluish kind of Batman. Which do you prefer? Do you prefer a black and grey Superman? Do you prefer an all Batman? Oh, Mason, jeez. You can't afford to make those kind of mistakes.

What I meant is do you prefer a black and grey Superman when he came back from the dead? You remember that? He's in the suit with the silver vest. That's what I was talking about. I know more than you. Ha! No, do you prefer, Batman, would you prefer a black and grey?

Do you like all black? Do you like blue and grey? I really love the Jim Lee Batman. Okay. I think it's one of the best. That was a dark blue and grey. Yeah. Do you have a preference? I like very dark grey

like shell and then black gloves, black cow. Do you care for the purple gloves that sometimes make an appearance like it is an original comic? No, I don't like that at all. Okay then. You're going to be disappointed then. Actually, no you won't. I'd be very happy. And he's also got an armored suit,

which is similar to what he wore in the last one. But he's going to have an arm brace and a leg brace. Okay. So I'm thinking, it doesn't look like he's had any injuries in Batman Superman. He seemed okay. So maybe that's an injury he gets earlier on in that movie. Because he loves a brace, doesn't he?

Maybe. It's an enhanced thing or no maybe after the funeral of superman he just gets back to his mansion and all of a sudden he's like oh oh this bloody took it out of me oh i forgot oh my arm and my leg were broken in multiple places oh oh it's good to good to just just sit down and take in your multiple multiple fractures oh you know it is oh bloody, bloody spiral fracture, this one. It's not coming back for a while. It's Batman's equivalent of sitting down in front of the TV

after a long day at work. You're just like, oh, Alfred, I've been shot repeatedly. Could you get the, oh, it's just good to have a sit down. Isn't it just? I bloody love a sit down. I think that's what it is. It's post being punched by Doomsday. You're probably not wrong.

Now, there's also a few vehicles described. One is called a Flying Fox Transport, which is just like a ship to fly around the Justice League members. Do you think it's being flown by Lucius Fox? Could be. I don't think so. Probably not. No.

That seems like it's something that's more for Batman, to be like, everybody into the ship. And they're like, okay. Okay, I mean, we can both fly, and he can run around the whole earth in like two seconds, but we'll humor you. All right, let's get on the... Another one is called the Nightcrawler.

It's like the Batmobile, but it's got like spider legs, so it can go over like rough terrain. And apparently when it hits the ground, like the legs legs it like kind of puts like a dent you know okay now is this this isn't the new version of the batmobile because we've seen there is a batmobile yeah uh because the last one superman just trashed yeah so that's pretty cool but it's still got guns and missile launchers or whatever people like why does it have guns because apparently this batman as well he's much happier and he's more like, I'm inspirational.

So he's just firing celebratory guns into the air. Well, I'm assuming that's for parademons. Yeah, okay. Because he can gun down parademons. He's like, that's fine. None of their mothers are called Martha, are they? How dare you, Mason. That's the best thing in the movie.

Superman also. This is really important to me. Once again, if this turns out to be a continuation of the Tim Burton Batman movies, I'm okay with Batman killing all those people. Just put a line in that's like, I remember the time the Joker fell off the building and he died or whatever. Like if Jared Leto Joker's like, you killed my father. Now I'm the Joker.

I'm Joker Jr. Then I'll be fine with it. Because I'm like, well killed my father. Now I'm the Joker. I'm Joker Jr. Joker Jr. Then I'll be fine with it. Because I'm like, well, that's a natural escalation. He's blowing up people in chemical factories and flamethrowing people with his Batmobile jets or whatever. If he's just moved, like if you go, okay, well, multiply that by 20 years worth of murderousness, I'm fine with it. All good. I hope your dream comes true. I'm fine with it.

All good. I hope your dream comes true. But somebody pointed out on Twitter that in Batman and Robin, Batman says, and this is why Superman works alone. Yeah, that movie doesn't count. Yeah, it doesn't count. Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah.

Yeah. I think he means the Nietzschean Superman. Oh, okay. That's why the Nietzschean Superman works alone. Yeah, that's probably what they meant. Yeah. Yeah. And that Joel Schumacher movie, Batman and Robin.

Superman also, Snyder was asked about his hair because famously in the comics. Yeah, when Superman comes back from the dead. He's got a black suit with a silver S. The one that I mentioned earlier on purpose. That's right. And when he comes back, because he's been in sort of a stasis, sort of suspended animation.

His hair's grown very long yes but because nobody apparently was really briefed on how he was supposed to look yeah post-resurrection yeah they different artists depicted him slightly differently on the cover he's got short hair as well yeah right yeah yeah but so so it turned so some artists drew him with long hair all over and some artists drew him with a mullet yeah so and that is kind of that is that's the the most accurate representation of comic books in the 90s i feel superman with a mullet so so what we're saying is well snyder said his hair uh should be perfect a little longer i guess that's what the myths are anyway and i try to get the hashtag started hashtag mullet for

superman how's that going it's going really well if we could get it going folks if you tried to get the hashtag started. Hashtag mullet for Superman. How's that going? It's going really well. If we can get it going, folks. If you want to get that out to Zack Snyder, if you want to get that out to Henry Cavill, if you want to get that out to even whoever you want, anybody, Jeff Johns. If you want to purchase a mullet wig at like a funny novelty store and then wait outside Henry Cavill's house for him to come out

and then just pounce on him, put the wig on and take a photo and send it to us. That's on you. We don't condone that. We're not saying you should do that. Not saying you should do that but if you did that,

we'd send you a t-shirt. where you can buy a wig. We'll send a t-shirt to your jail cell is what we'll do. Now look, the thing is, this,

like, look, you know that video I made where Batman kills all those people? Oh sure, yeah. Like that didn't actually have a direct impact on the movie because that came out after the movie had filmed. Do you know what I I made where Batman kills all those people? Oh, sure, yeah. That didn't actually have a direct impact on the movie

because that came out after the movie had filmed. It was done. Snyder happened to have seen it. And then he used it to justify it. Yeah, he mentioned it in passing. And this is the same thing. Superman's hair has already been decided upon. This is just more to annoy people because I think it's funny.

And you know what? I genuinely want to see it. I don't. You don't want to see it? No. And you know what? I genuinely want to see it. I don't. You don't want to see it? No. Why would it happen? You know why I would hate it? Because they'd have to contrive us in it.

It's like when we saw X-Men Apocalypse a few weeks back and they had to justify why Professor X doesn't have hair. And they, oh, so good. No, they ballsed it. I'm giving the okay symbol. Yeah, I can see that, but that's also the symbol for ballsing things up. You can see the balls are right there. No, that's this too. I'm giving the okay symbol. Yeah, I can see that, but that's also the symbol for ballsing things up. You can see the balls are right there.

No, that's this too. Two okay symbols. Okay, right. But they were like, instead of just going, oh, he got older and he lost his hair, they had to be like, psychic energy ruined his hair or whatever.

So with this, there's going to have to be some sort of scene where he wakes up with long hair and he's like, time to cut my hair with my heat vision. And then he heat visions some of it off. He gets a mullet and then an emergency happens and he has to fly off. Well, it doesn't have to be as strict.

It can just be long all over. You just make sure the back's long. That's what I'm talking about. And if he wants to, I'm not saying he has to, he can slick it back and tie it into a little ponytail at the back. Top knot. Would you like a top knot? No. That's too now what I want. P knot. Would you like a top knot? No.

That's too now when I want nineties. Pigtails? Yeah, pigtails is fine. Fauxhawk. Not a fan. No, no. Are you a fan of the fauxhawk? No.

Get it out of here. All right. What if he has that haircut that like George Clooney had in the nineties, which was sort of like Roman. The Caesar. Yeah, the Caesar. Just down the front there. The Johnny Lee Miller.

Yeah. That's what they call that one. What if he has a different haircut in every scene? I'm okay with that too. Yeah. I think we will see the front there. The Johnny Lee Miller. That's what they call that one. What if he has a different haircut in every scene? I'm okay with that too. I think we will see the black suit. Like I genuinely do. I hope so, yeah. And I think he's,

I don't know whether he will have a mullet or longer hair. I think his hair will be longer because if he's in stasis or he's been dead for this long, then yeah, his hair would be longer. But I genuinely think Henry Cavill wasn't on set. They didn't say anything about him. Apparently he's going to turn up later in the movie, but I genuinely think we're going to get that black suit.

Great. And I really want to see it because I really like that suit. Nothing makes a superhero movie great, greater than the sum of its parts, than putting the main character in a black suit. That's right. Endless examples. Spider-Man 3.

X-Men, all of them. All the X-Mens. Ghost Rider, he's wearing a black leather jacket. Underworld. Great. Good. How do you think they're going to wave away Clark Kent also being dead? I was going to ask you that question.

Well, in the comic books, they're just like, he was trapped under rubble for weeks. I think they'll do that. But, I mean, they did literally give him a funeral. They gave him a funeral, yeah. I don't know. I mean, if they eventually get around a flashpoint, they can wipe all that.

No, please don't do that. No? I reckon maybe they can be like, oh, the body was destroyed or whatever. We thought it was Clark Kent, but it was a different body or something like that. You could even say, you could even have Bruce Wayne, he put a body that looked like Clark Kent in the coffin

and it's now in the, his actual body's in the Batcave or something like that. Right, right. It's fine. Yeah yeah any of that any of that is fine i wonder if because i wonder what the deal is with the fortress of solitude in this universe and whether because it was kind of implied in batman superman that he comes that he's repowering or whatever you want to call it yeah because you see the the the grave kind of ripple or whatever yeah or like if something's going to come and get him and put him in a stasis. Yeah. Because that's what it does in the comics, right?

I think it's going to be Kryptonian robots. Yeah. Yeah. Or his dad. But he doesn't have a fortress of solitude. Yes. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

Because bloody Lex Luthor hijacked it. Yeah. They might even put a scene where that ship in Metropolis, you know, takes off and flies off. And they're like, where did it go? But Chuck's a bloody Yui. Chuck's a Yui, exactly. Chuck's a Yui.

And then it sends a body and then it collects the body and takes off. You know what I'm talking about. Do you think there's any chance we'll see, I don't think that we will, but any other Superman? Oh, like a cyborg Superman? Yeah. Ooh. I don't think that we will, but any other Superman. Oh, like a cyborg Superman? Yeah. Oh. I think that's too complicated for a movie where you've got parademons and all this.

Yeah. The way they've set it up, it just doesn't seem like it's as old. I don't love the death of Superman. I like bits of it. I like the black suit. I love the mullet. Yeah. Hashtag mullet for Superman.

What happened to, in Man of Steel, what happened to Superman's rocket ship? Was it still in the barn? Oh, yeah, it is actually, yeah. It gets... Fiora opens it to see if the codex is right. That's right, okay. And then that's the last we see. Because basically the origin of the cyborg Superman is

is this guy Hank Henshaw. It was like a Fantastic Four gone wrong. Him and his wife and some other scientists go into space. They're hit with radiation. They come back down to Earth, and he loses... His body disintegrates, but then he can transfer himself into computer systems. And so eventually, he becomes evil,

and after Superman defeats him a couple of times, he sends his consciousness into Superman's rocket ship, which Superman's thrown into orbit, so nobody can find it. And then he uses the DNA and the Kryptonian technology to turn himself into Cyborg Superman and come back down. Do we get that fully fleshed out in The Death of Superman? How do you mean? Like, in the Death of Superman comic,

is that fully explained where he's come from? Yes, but not at the time. Yes, I mean, like, after... After the fact, yeah. Initially, he just shows up and he says, it's me, Superman, I've been injured. Yeah. I've got cy Okay, right, right. Initially he just shows up and he says, it's me, Superman. I've been injured. Yeah.

I've got cyborg parts where I was injured in my fight with Doomsday, but it's me again. Yeah. And the President's like, sure thing, Superman. You look above board. I like your half skeletal face. I like your robot arm that turns into a laser gun. Great work, buddy.

Classic Superman. Oh, so good. Yeah. But yeah, so that's the thing. You'd so that's the thing we'd have to you have to build in they'd have to do it on such as like a thin timeline because they have to be like okay here's a guy here's somebody who was working with kryptonian technology and he falls into a vat of kryptonian technology and he comes out of cyborgs whatever like sure there's too much there's too much work to it yeah yeah all in all this sounds like a much more kind of hopeful, lighthearted movie.

That's what they seem to be going for. Yep. I don't have any problem with that. Yeah. If you like dark superhero movies, that's fine and it's cool. But the thing is, no, it is okay to have a dark superhero movie. I think so. Like Deborah Snider even said, look, what we learned from it is people don't like deconstructed superheroes.

Disagree? Yeah. Watchmen. Like, that is kick-ass. You literally did a movie. There's so many. Zach's like, you literally did a movie about it. Both of those are great.

Well, in my opinion. Yeah. I just think the deconstruction didn't work. Someone said to me on Twitter or maybe in the comments that first you have to kind of build the superheroes before you deconstruct them. And they didn't really build up Superman before they kind of broke him down yeah yeah i mean the reason that watchman works on film is because he had a very

definitively like he was working directly from what is essentially storyboards in the watchman comic yes can't deviate from any of it otherwise it doesn't make sense that's right but with bvs he was like i'll just take a bit of this and a bit of this and a bit of this because there's no clearly defined. Yeah, yeah. There's no, they keep changing the way that Batman and Superman meet in the comic books. Right, right, yeah.

Sometimes they meet on a sailboat. Sometimes they meet on a sailboat. That's my favorite one. That is a good one. Yeah. Yeah, I also think it's, I don't know, I don't buy the excuse as well. I don't want to get into this.

But like Superman, he shouldn't be held responsible because it was his first day and he's just learning what was he supposed to do. But the thing is, Batman turns up in this world fully established as Batman. There is no reason why you can't do that for Superman or have man of still exist. And by the time Batman Superman rolls around, he is Superman. And the way that I see Superman is is I didn't believe that the audiences, sorry, that the people in that movie of that world would like or trust this guy.

And it's okay for people in that world to be distrustful of him, but you need the audience looking in to trust. The same way that Spider-Man works. Everybody, not everybody, a lot of people hate Spider-Man in that movie, but you watching that movie, you know that he's not a bad person. And I don't feel that. You're always rooting for him and going like, come on, J. Jonah Jameson, see the other side of this or whatever.

Exactly, yeah. And then eventually the people are like, we're from New York and we support you, Spidey. That's right, yeah. We're throwing rocks. Yeah. Anyway. Anyway, great stuff.

Look, you know what? None of this is bad news. How's Suicide Squad looking? I think it'll be good. I genuinely think it'll be good. Do you think it will be good? Looks pretty good. Good.

I'm looking forward to the Joker's outfits. And you know what? Credit to them. They've clearly learned, do not spoil the entire plot in the trailer. Yes. It's nearly out. When's it coming out? August.

That's a long way away still. Like two okay what are we yeah it's like june calm down all right jeez what when in june when in august when i want to say 20 years oh it's so late i can look it up for you no don't do it now i'll do it i don't mind mason okay great you just have a drink of this wine oh here we go august 4 even better even closer than you or i thought nice good that's great fx is the veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from istanbul to paris and london one woman has a secret the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.

Now, we're going to talk Independence Day. I was on a podcast earlier this week. It's called the Elseworld Exchange. You can find it over at the Comic Pop YouTube channel or on iTunes. You can find it over the Comic Pop YouTube channel or on iTunes. It's linked below where it's myself, Sal from Comic Pop, and Joel from Capes Joel, where we talked about the history and some of our favorite summer blockbusters and how it's evolved over the years.

What's your favorite summer blockbuster then? Probably Jurassic Park, I want to say. It's the big one, and it's got so much nostalgia on it. Yes. I'm sorry, go on. I was going to say, I don't think Independence Day has that. No. Like people loved it at the time.

Yeah. People haven't been clamoring for a new one. No, and that's kind of been reflected in a lot of the responses to it. But yeah, it's really cool and it was really good fun. Elseworlds Exchange. Elseworlds Exchange. Elseworlds Exchange. Love it. Check it out below.

Subscribe to both those guys, Mason, even though you won't even subscribe to me, even though every day I send you a text, a reminder. He's never done it. Heartbreaks. Let's talk Independence Day. Let's do it. Independence Day resurgence.

Oh, no. No, no, no. Look, I just have a quote here. I want to see what you think. Okay, no, no. Look, I just have a quote here. I want to see what you think. Okay, I'm ready. Roland Emmerich has said that a lot of the comic book movies have kind of copied his formula. This is what he said.

I felt like when some of them... Roland Emmerich, by the way, directed Independence Day and this and a whole lot of crap in between. Day After Tomorrow. Something about a Shakespeare one. Godzilla 98. Oh, yeah. Anyway, I felt like when I saw some of these Marvel movies

or DC movies from Warners, I felt, oh, my God, that looks familiar to me. Why is Superman bashing so many buildings? I was actually warned by Steven Spielberg that this would happen. He saw Independence Day. He said that Independence Day would be the most imitated film for the next 20 years, and he was right. Smart man.

Do you think that these superhero movies parallel the work of Roland Emmerich? No. Not even a little bit. You can't copyright buildings falling over. Do you remember all those disaster movies? You know who invented it? World War II. World War II invented buildings falling over. Earthquakes invented buildings falling over. Do you remember all those disaster movies? You know who invented it? World War II. Oh, yeah.

World War II invented buildings falling over. Earthquakes invented buildings falling over. Do you remember all those, like, you've got your Towering Inferno and, like, earthquake disaster movies in the 70s? There was a whole lot of that. Do you remember that? There was a big kind of thing. And Independence Day.

Airport, 77. That's right. Airport, 75. Probably other ones. Independence Day brought that, modernized it. That's why the movie Airplane is called Flying High in Australia. Most people are like, why is it called Airplane? Because we don't know what an airplane, because we say aeroplane.

It's not. It's because it came in the wake of all those airport movies, which started not doing as well. And so they're like, well, you don't want to confuse people. And the thing, it's an air blind disaster movie let's call it flying high let's call it flying high doobies i don't know what that means so look yeah um buildings fall i'm not i'm not saying some of that technology that was pioneered in those movies oh sure isn't used look and i think maybe in terms of spectacle yeah like and it's i guess in terms of it's spectacle with a villain behind it yes i guess in in terms like he kind of pioneered that

and if you think of like an airport movie or some movie about towering infernos or whatever right it's just the villain is faulty wiring but i would say most of his movies, except for the Independence Day films, there is no villain. Correct. It's just like the ice is coming to get you or whatever. The villain is man in a lot of cases. That's right. But only inadvertently because we didn't recycle.

No. And I, as I've said multiple times, I just have a massive disdain for movies that it's just buildings falling down. I just cannot. And that's why I'm sort of, I'm okay with Independence Day because there is a plot and there's, you know, there's charisma behind it. There's a bit of a story. Ultimately in those movies, like the 2012s and the Day After Tomorrow, whatever, the

villain or the San Andreas, the villain is just somebody who won't participate in the rescue effort. Or evacuate a thing. Yeah. The villain is just somebody who's in it for themselves yeah which and they're all the same like at the start they'll go to like a facility and they're like can you believe these readings this is off the chart like every time and then they go to show the pentagon and the pentagon's like go fuck yourself the world's fine this volcano won't explode or whatever i'm throwing this styrofoam coffee cup in the garbage. Don't do what I like.

Oh, no, I'm dead now. That's right. And then, you know, Jake Gyllenhaal or John Cusack, whoever, was right. And then it's – I know he was a limo driver in that one, wasn't he? What's the last thing Cusack did? I was just thinking about Cusack the other day. He doesn't do a lot of great stuff. He doesn't do a lot of things.

He wasn't in Hot Tub Time Machine 2. He was, actually. Oh, he was very briefly. Very briefly, yeah. Okay, yeah,. Oh, he was very briefly. Very briefly, yeah. Okay, yeah, all right, he was. Idiot. I was just thinking the other day, because he's a very underrated on-screen combatant.

We've had this conversation before. Because in Gross Point Blank... Yeah, that's a great movie. It's a great movie. In War? War Incorporated. Some good hand-to-hand stuff. Very good hand-to-hand.

Again, he's Martin Blank in all but name in War Incorporated. So if you've seen Gross Point Blank and you like it, you should see that one. Yeah, it's not as good. Also, Hilary Duff puts a scorpion in her vagina or something. Remember that? And it's his daughter, it turns out. Who's to say? Spoiler alert.

No way of knowing. There's no way of knowing. Anyway, we're going to go non-spoilers and spoilers for Independence Day. Not that it matters. But Mason, what do you think the story was? Oh, no, yeah. I thought of that earlier and I'm like, oh, I should think of what the story was. And then.

How about I start you off? Okay. It's been 20 years. Yeah. And now it's the sequel to Independence Day. We did it, guys. It's 20 years. It's the year 2016.

Yeah. But in the world, it's on the earth where aliens invaded in 1996. So since humanity defeated the aliens, they've incorporated all the alien technology into their world. So it's now a somewhat more futuristic world. Yes. In the sense that we have large televisions. A base on the moon. Base on the moon.

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I've had some time to think about it because we saw it on Tuesday, right? Tuesday, yeah. And it's now Sunday. Yeah, yeah. Which it seems like a bloody lifetime ago. But in that time, I'm like, no, I had quite a bit of fun in this movie. You know what it is, though? It's, again, having not seen a Roland Emmerich film in quite a long time.

Right. I mean, except for Independence Day, which we saw like the day before. There's a commentary track. There is. I'll link it below. On the Bandicam. Yeah. And Patreon.

It feels a lot like a Roland Emmerich film, and I do feel like the time of the Roland Emmerich film has passed. I think he feels that. At no point did I feel like I wasn't watching a movie. Every second of this I'm like, oh, yeah, this movie's going along, isn't it? Now this movie trope will happen. This person's standing here looking like they're about to deliver some movie dialogue. Somebody's going to deliver a moving movie speech, et cetera, et cetera.

Somebody's going to make a movie sacrifice. At no point am I going to be surprised by anything in this movie. And I wasn't, but it was pretty fun. Yeah, okay, fair enough. Fun of the next man apocalypse? Ooh, yes. Okay. See, it, fair enough. Funner than X-Men Apocalypse? Ooh, yes. Okay. See, it's not a great movie by any stretch.

But I'm in the opinion where something can just be okay. Like, to me, Batman Superman is okay. This is okay. X-Men Apocalypse is okay. Yeah. Not everything is terrible or amazing. And I guess that's the point of our rating system. Sure.

But, yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. you hated this yeah hey man you hate it that's that's that's okay if you woke up having seen this if you woke up in the cinema and it was on would you stay or would you leave again yes no i would leave okay but if it was the first time yeah i would say my enthusiasm for it waned as it kind of went on. Like initially, I was like, I'm well on board for this. Let's talk about the new cast. You've got a bloody Hemsworth. We do, yeah. I thought he did a pretty good kind of Will Smith-ing kind of thing. He had some quips.

He had a good little friend. We have a little friend, yeah, a fun little friend. The Will Smith son. Not in real life. Not in real life, thank God. People are like, he's a bloody charisma vacuum and whatever i thought he was he's not will smith in not the 96 version yeah he's he doesn't have like a third of the charisma of that it'd be weird if he if it'd be weird if they just threw in a guy who sounded and acted exactly like will right right but i thought he did

okay that being said, I didn't think you need Hemsworth and Will Smith Jr. I don't want to brag, but I've just been followed by Original Pancake Kitchen on Instagram. Is that a good thing? I don't know. I don't know what that is.

There's a Chinese girl. Correct. They swap out the president's daughter. Yep. Because it's originally, as we slowly... Here's a quiz for you. How many Chinese pop stars do you

think are in this film oh that's a very good question they like did they transformer it uh because there's a lot of react because what they basically do spoiler alert it's in the trailer they take a big chinese city and they drop it on london yeah they know which one yeah but uh yeah and there's a lot a lot of time spent on one particular guy in a cab. There's a guy in the back of a cab. And he looks pop star. He's got headphones in and there's music playing. And then he's like, what's going on? What's happening?

And then he looks back and the city's exploding. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that that guy is a Chinese pop star and he's listening to his own song on headphones. Yeah, you are definitely not wrong. But you might be. Maybe. Side note, I also uh this week i also watched now you see me too i with uh nicholas j jones johnson yeah with my friend nicholas j johnson we're gonna do a podcast on it uh pretty soon he's got a podcast

you did it last time yeah he's got a podcast called scammer palooza sweet and if you haven't seen it now you see me too he's much bigger and dumber than the previous one. Right. But I did enjoy it primarily because I was watching it with an actual magician who had his head in his hands the whole time while watching it. And that made me enjoy it. That's true. Sometimes when somebody hates something more than you,

it makes it fun. But one, there is a supporting character in it who is a Chinese pop star. And I'm like, is that guy Chinese pop star? And he's like, yeah, it is. How there is a supporting character in it who is a Chinese pop star. Correct. And I'm like, is that guy a Chinese pop star? And he's like, yeah, it is. How does he know? Because he's a Chinese pop star who's also an amateur magician. That's what I like to hear, mate.

He's there, Neil Patrick Harris. Yeah, that's right. He can do it all. Good stuff. What about the old cast? Goldblum's back. He is. Better than ever.

Could have used more of him, if I'm honest with you. Yeah, I think you're probably right. I think he could have hung this movie on him. I mean, they're probably like, he's 60, you know, maybe kids won't like him. But he's easily the best character in this movie, right? Yeah. And he just seems like he's just kind of muddling his way through it. Yeah, he does have the most charisma.

Yeah. But that's a charisma of decades in Hollywood, you know what I mean? That's true. And a certain, you know, he's got that certain something, man. That's why he's a star. that's why he was the star of the fly that's right remake along with a fly that's right along with a fly uh vivica a fox is briefly she's well yeah she she has graduated from being a stripper in the first movie to a medical doctor or nurse i think she's wearing a white coat i think she... She's wearing a white coat. I think she's the head of...

A ward? Yeah, so I think she's a doctor who was also the head of like surgery at the hospital. Right, right. I'm imagining... Anyway, good on her. I think she was in the bloody...

Like she was in the kids ward, like the baby ward. Ah, okay, right. Because she was like, get this pregnant woman out of here. At all costs, I'll fall off a building. Spoiler alert, she dies.

She's dead. brett spiner are you saying brett or brent brett it's brent is it like a david brent like david brent man i've been saying that wrong for years oh sorry everybody and i'm a massive guitar fan as well what do you think of him uh look here's the thing i found most of the supporting characters thoroughly annoying you know what he had a sidekick you're right that should not have been in that movie why do you why is that oh i i was thinking is he was he in the last one i didn't see him because it's like remember all the memories we've had i have no memory of him from the main either he might be in it but when i see somebody said that he was like he's either a producer or a writer on this movie so they're like let's put him in because he's probably a

good bloke in real life but that does not translate oh yeah okay i get it uh-huh yeah yeah yeah they wrote it like he had some they had some incredible history together. Yeah. But I have no memory of that. No. I mean, you can write that in and you can feel that, but I didn't. Yeah. I felt like Jeff Goldblum and his love interest had more history than those two. Yeah, right. Because, spoiler alert, his wife died of cancer, I think, like five years before this or something.

Do you think it was alien-based? Yeah, probably. Yeah, almost certainly. I mean, or fly-based. Probably all those weird glowing rings that they put on everything. Yeah, that's right. Hey, honey, I've just bought this new microwave with a big glowing green ring on it.

It's got alien technology in it. Stand near it. Yeah, just stand really close. Judd Hirsch? Looking exactly the same as he did in 1996. How does he do it? He should have died in that wave because he really – if I had to cut a side story from it, it would be his.

It would be him doing his Judd Hirsch thing. And I like him a lot, but didn't like any of that. He's 19 years older than Jeff Goldblum. Oh, really? So he could be his dad. Yeah. Well, I guess you can father a kid once you hit puberty, as you discovered.

Yeah. And now. And, of course, the president returns. Yeah, the president. And of course the president returns. Yeah, the president. I mean, sure, there's probably been presidents since then. I doubt it. Yeah, but he's, and so there's been some residual effects from the aliens have a psychic connection to people

that they've had close contact with. Yes. Bill Pullman or Paxton, Brett Spiner. Yeah. A warlord. Yep. Just anybody who's kind Brett Spiner, a warlord. Yep. Just anybody who's kind of been near them. Did you like that or were you like,

it's a bit convenient to be like, here's some plots that we can convey to you through our minds? Well, yeah, look. It's weird that they've got that footage of the president's speech on the alien home ship. Look, and again, I think, yeah, like in a real film, no, but I mean like a modern day film, in a movie that came out in 2016, you wouldn't have that.

The psychic connection is too convenient and it's really sold as you really feel that it's very convenient the whole time. I was never like, oh, this, you know, I'm always like, yeah, you've written this in to further the plot. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? But in a Roland Emmerich film, in this Roland Emmerich film from 1997

that they just unearthed in 2016, which is this film, I guess it's fine. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. It did feel very throwback-y. What did you think about the, like, the 2016 aesthetic that they'd kind of created? It didn't look very fun. No, it didn't. It didn't look that fun and it only seemed to be in America.

Okay. Every other city seemed to be just about the same. Pretty much the same, yeah, yeah. But it was a global conflict, as we know. Yeah. I'm sad that the Sydney Opera House was destroyed. Yeah. That building I've never been to. You've never been never been to it i've never i've seen it from the outside great but i've never been into it i don't think i ever will yeah no i thought there was kind of some

missed opportunity i thought we're going to get more interesting variations no all we got was faster spaceships and everybody's got a laser. No, that laser wasn't even alien tech that they used. Oh, it's just regular. Brent Spiner just had it. Oh, yeah. That's okay, yeah. Let me get me 96 laser. No, but I mean like everybody's got like a blaster,

like an alien blaster rifle. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, yeah. There's some other stuff that they updated the aliens a little bit. I like the upgrades. To the alien stuff? Yes. Yeah.

The giant ship you're talking about? I'm talking about like the alien stuff yes yeah the giant ship you're talking about i'm talking about like the alien kind of the alien shock troopers like the kind of ground troops looked good yeah it makes sense they've had 20 years to it was the same thing as the the jurassic park sequels in particular the third one where they look different from the original yep because obviously special effects have advanced, but they're supposed to be like the same aliens. There's more detail on them,

the more strangly little bits coming off them. Strangly, strangly bits. Yeah. You know what I mean? Some of the designs look great. We'll get into spoilers, but there's one particular design that I enjoyed a lot. I will talk about that with you.

Special effects in general though. Fine. A lot of shit going on, isn't it? Yeah. A lot of movement. Salt flats. Aerial dogfights. Spoilers?

Is there anything else to talk about? I think you've either seen this movie or you don't care. Yeah, I guess that's true. Was it funny? I'll answer that. No. It wasn't funny. Were there jokes in it?

Yes. Were any of them funny? No. I feel like, yeah, in the first one there was some funny jokes, maybe. Yeah. But I can't name one. Yeah, right, exactly. That's not to say they weren't there.

Yeah. Best or worst movie, Mason? I'm going to go with worst movie ever. Oh, really? I had some fun with it. Yeah, but you wouldn't recommend it. Wouldn't go back again. I would leave if I woke up.

You'd leave? Oh, if you were in it again. Yeah, I think that's my yardstick now. Would I stick around for it again? No. Yeah, I wouldn't stick around for it again. That being said,

it's okay. So I guess I have to say best. I did say best. Yeah, and also look, there are a lot of good movies out right now that I haven't seen. Yeah.

In Little DC. Hunt for the Wilder people. Yeah, Hunt for the Wilder people. I haven't seen The Nice Guys yet. Yeah, me neither. God damn it. Let's do it tomorrow. Nah.

I'm busy tomorrow. I'm not. I'm busy tomorrow. You know what i think it is maybe this is why people hate okay movies yeah if you put down 10 20 bucks or pound or euro or whatever wherever you're from if you put down 20 brexits yeah that's right but if you go to see a movie and it's just okay yep you've wasted your money essentially correct so i guess i can understand it from that perspective maybe it's because okay, you've wasted your money essentially. Correct, yes. So I guess I can understand it from that perspective. Maybe it's because we're so rich from all these podcasting that we do. Absolutely.

That money is nothing to us. We throw it away, then we collect it because we need it to live. All right, spoilers. Okay. Judd Hirsch, what was that? The kids. What was that crap? Hanging out with the kids.

Unnecessary, cut it out. Pointless, completely pointless. Too many coincidences. Too many coincidences. And the only reason they exist is because they can show up. And you can be like, what are you doing, Jeff Goldham? And Jeff Goldham's like, Dad. Dad.

Get out of the salt flats, Dad. Dad. I'm trying to make something happen here, Dad. Force field, Dad. Dad. Dad. Dad. Also slightly.

Dad. Oh, that's what I was going to say. This is non-spoilery, but some people probably haven't switched off yet. This one felt a lot more like a video game. Did you feel that? Because it's very shiny? It looks like a cut scene?

No, but also because like... Yeah, it did look a lot like a cut scene. Oh, like there's a boss? There's a boss and there was a lot of like... There's a weak spot? There's a weak spot and you've got to... They've got to... There's... The and there was a lot of like... There's a weak spot. There's a weak spot and you've got to... The movie never really, to me, the movie never really established

how any of the alien technology worked in the sense that in the first movie, everything's got an indestructible force field on it. You can't breach the force field. So now we have to go and we have to upload a virus and then they won't have the shields. Then we can shoot them down and then we blow up the mothership or whatever.

The rules were there. But in this, the rules are never really established. No. Because the bad guys have force fields and energy weapons. The good guys have energy weapons and some degree of force fields. And it's like, okay, so what happens when an Earth energy weapon

hits an alien shield? Yeah. We never really... Well, I guess they can knock them out. Right. Because the queen has a personal energy shield. Yeah, but it's never really... So she's just...

At the end, they're just blasting away at it. They're like, now the shield's down. What? How? What? Chipping away. Just chipped away at it. How did we know?

Because that's how it felt video gaming. Yeah, yeah. And that's the worst i hate a boss battle where you have to chip away the shield then the shield goes away and then you have to hammer the weak spot and the chest opens up and then the shields come back and you have to chip away at the shield yeah i hate them i hate them i can't disagree so why would you put that in anyway fair enough but yeah to me it never established it's difficult for me to follow on this narrative if I'm like, well, why don't they? Well, I guess it should be because in the first one, like bullets, nukes, any kind of earth weapons couldn't penetrate a shield.

Yep. But in this one, if you're using alien tech, then I guess you can eventually penetrate the shield. Yeah, right. I guess that's the rule. Yeah. Yeah. That's okay.

Two okays thoughs though yeah that's right i know what you mean yeah what else are we talking about uh so the but the alien queen i thought looked really good yeah great design right i did like that the whole stomping around the salt flats and yeah she comes out of the ship and bloody runs about and actually lays the trap for them and i liked all that stuff like inside the ship and you see they're harvesting food and whatever and i mean i enjoyed all of that uh-huh uh but it was yeah i can't disagree with that it's a bit video game and you know how they shot her in the back and then the front opens up and she spills out of it which was an established weakness of the species but i don't think anybody yeah nobody told liamemsworth that. That's true.

Yeah. I mean, he just bloody lucked out, didn't he? I've got a, this is from Sean. Sorry, this is from, he does have something to say though. I'll give Sean a speech. A lot of Sean's don't have anything to say, but luckily this Sean has something to say. Independence Day, bracket spoiler,

felt more like a video game movie than Warcraft. Thank you. Even has narration. Hashtag weekly planet pod. Charmoth says, ID2, dumb fun, but best movie ever for me. Did you like the bit where they got out of being in a hive by flying up? Yes, I loved it. It was the best bit.

What else are we saying about this? What did you think of the weird sphere alien? I thought it was interesting, but they didn't utilize what it could do it had like knowledge of the universe and we heard that it had knowledge of the universe and we briefly saw it but we didn't get to see it it was just kind of like kill me give up yeah what i mean yeah this movie also felt like we're gonna do three more of these kind of thing yeah i don't know whether they will no i don't think they will but but it that that's that's it's that was its one concession i feel to modern movie making is they're like we've got to build in

some franchise points to this and the first one definitely didn't have that no absolutely that was it was one and done yeah yeah and this one felt like okay well we've got to establish that there's a there's a planet and it's got other rebel races on it and we're going to defeat these. I think the way you rescue this franchise if you do a sequel, again, I didn't hate this, but you can't do this again. If you're going to make this. Well, they even said that in the movie.

They're like, we can't defend against these aliens again. Let's take the fight to the streets, space streets. Yeah. So there's a planet there's a planet where all the greatest minds or whoever's left in the galaxy to fight against the aliens who aren't really aren't given a name live and they're gonna and earth's gonna lead that attack right yeah even though they should i mean i didn't think their plan was so revolutionary that nobody else in the galaxy could have thought of that. They were just like, yeah, we'll blow up the ship from the inside.

But the sphere's like, you'll never defeat it. You suck. None of you are good at anything. Just give up, Kelby, please. But then at the end. Why did you even show up? Yeah, I know. Just fly into the sun.

I mean, I'm here to give you a warning, but no help whatsoever. You'll have to come up with your own plan. That probably won't work. Yeah. That being said, the idea of taking this to space does excite me a little bit. No, when I say excite me, I mean I would definitely say it. Right. And probably not even just because I I would definitely say it right and

probably not even just because I'd have to say it for this show I think though you'd have to get Will Smith back to get everybody back yeah and you know

what I think this sequel would have benefited from not getting Roland Emmerich back to getting fresh eyes on it I agree I and somebody I've spoken to people since

who've said like I kept expecting Will Smith to show up right some form or another. Yeah, because they say he's dead and he died in a crash, but if there's all these other aliens in the world and you see that ball come out of a weird wormhole. Yeah. So they could have easily just grabbed him out of that ship

and he's on that planet defending whatever. They could have done it Freejack style. Yeah. Where they got Emilio Estevez and they took him from the moment of his death through time to Mick Jagger's house in the movie Freejack. We still have to do that episode about the future weather time. Oh, definitely. Where it's already happened.

I would love to. That would be my greatest joy. But I think if you brought back Will Smith, because that would be kind of like your Vin Diesel and your Paul Walker coming back to Fast and Furious moment, if they just threw a whole lot of money at him. Because that's apparently one of the major reasons why he didn't do it. In hindsight, he's probably like, I'm glad I didn't do that.

But I think you could resurrect this franchise with a different director and bring back Will Smith. Okay. And heaps of sweet aliens. Yeah. Like, and different, like, you know what? It kind of bored me to a certain point where all we really had was, like, everybody's got a blaster.

Yep. All the ships have little blasters and all the, like, the alien ships and the human weapons have that weapon where it's just the green beam. Yep. And it targets something and then it shoots a ball of light and then that's the wet like boring give us some more interesting weapons give us give us more interesting alien more force fields aliens technology more of that i would rather rather than see a sequel to this i'd rather just see another season of stargate sg1

because that was fun that was more fun not gonna happen roland emmerich is gonna do another stargate fun that was more fun not gonna happen Roland Emmerich is gonna do another Stargate he is yeah I don't want to say that I don't know if I've seen that first

movie or all of it the TV series is quite good the movie is a little dull and by a little dull I mean very dull yeah but the TV series did not take itself very seriously

they say it was the gods of Egypt if it's a day oh and how good stuff anything else you sound thoroughly unimpressed but not offended yeah no i was not offended i should i feel i should have been offended yeah but you know what i just i knew that this was gonna i was looking forward to it but i'm like what do you expect expect? It's not going to have the pioneering special effects of the original. It's like a new Indiana Jones.

When the new one came out, you're not going to get the same thing. Right. You're going to get, well, yeah, sorry, you are going to get the same thing, but you're not going to feel the same seeing it. Right, yeah. You know what I mean? Because things have kind of moved on from when this movie came out. That being said, I did kind of feel the same insofar as i saw the the first one on monday and i'm like uh movies have really movies have really

moved on since then yeah and i saw the sequel and i'm like this guy hasn't moved on since then really none of that thing about it should we skip ahead not skip ahead should we just move into the next segment of the show do we have anything else left to say about the movie i don't uh you know what but i'll listen to you if you've got the other one thing that i thought of just now is that in the movie they'll this 3 000 mile wide spaceship lands on earth all right and then they're like and then and then the president you know the scientists are like well if we defeat the alien mothership then it'll it'll it'll fly away into space and then it'll go home. It's like... Would it?

Yeah, and that felt so contrived. I would have much rather we defeated the aliens and then all of a sudden we have a 3,000-mile-wide spaceship stuck on Earth. It's there now. That would have been really interesting. I mean, this world, it's not our world. No, it doesn't matter.

You can do anything you want. You're not ruining it. Yeah, the whole thing felt kind of limited in scope I mean, this world, it's not our world. No, it doesn't matter. You can do anything you want. You're not ruining it. It felt kind of, the whole thing felt kind of limited in scope, given that it's a world where you can do anything. Yeah, fair enough. That is a very video game kind of. I don't know, we'll go home. Yeah, exactly.

If we don't enough, fly away. Yeah. Also, is it all, it's the same race, I guess, like the alien race from the first one. It seems to be. Nah, I nearly had a thought about it, but I don't care. I guess, like the alien race from the first one. Seems to be. I nearly had a thought about it, but I don't care. I don't care anymore, really. I've got one more thing to say.

Okay, I'm ready. Bill Paxton or Pullman. Yeah. I thought his chin would be weaker under that beard. But it was great. He's been looking after himself that way. Yeah. And you also thought that somebody would have a more stirring speech.

We didn't get a stirring speech in this really. The president has a kind of moment in the hangar where he's like, hey, listen, there was also aliens once and this is the same sort of. I think we could do it. I mean, they're better now and they've wrecked all of our stuff. Except for the White House. They made a point not to. Look, I guess we'll just...

Maybe they went, we can't beat that speech. So we won. Unless that was it. That was the attempt. Yeah. Yeah. Also, Paxton slash Pullman did not have a good day when he just... What a shit death.

He went to kill the Queen and nothing happened. Yeah, that's true. But he was just kind of like, he didn't have a moment where like... Was he like, remember me? Did he say something like that? And that would have been like... I remember me did he say something like that and that would have been like i'm sure there was a moment like that and that would have been like no actually they have that footage you all look the same to us but that's they have that footage of it yeah that's true actually which is weird who was filming that yeah i guess the director of the movie yeah also it disappointed me that they didn't upon

realizing only recently that the President's daughter was played by Mae Whitman. Yes. Who was Anne Veal in Arrested Development. Egg. Egg. Her. I felt very sad that they didn't bring her in.

Yeah. Why wouldn't they? Because I don't think she's like, she's good looking, but she's not like. She's not rail thin. Yeah, she's not rail thin. She's not a Liam Hemsworth girlfriend. No. Right. She's not rail thin. She's not a Liam Hemsworth girlfriend. No.

Right. She's not a Miley Cyrus, who is Liam Hemsworth's real life girlfriend. Yeah. But, you know, I can't explain that away. Maybe she was busy doing indie films. Yeah. Maybe she thought this looks terrible and didn't want to do it. You know what?

If this is on TV... Yep. If I was watching TV and it came on, I wouldn't turn it off but i'd probably still be on my computer doing some stuff oh you'd just be idly waiting for goldblum scenes probably yeah probably yeah yeah uh no i'd switch it off i would have liked more alien lore you know at the start you kind of see the ship that's landed more of that you could even make this whole thing a ground battle yeah totally that would have been cool anyway Anyway. Alas, it wasn't cool. We never really saw the origins of these aliens.

I thought we'd kind of get that, but all we got was like, they're in these ships and they fly around and they need all your resources. Some of the ships are bigger than others. Yeah, and it's never a stat. It's one of those like, you know, in the Matrix. It's like they harvest humans for the electricity and you go, that's not very efficient. They wanted to steal our molten core.

That's right. Do you know How many planets have molten cores? Heaps of them. Literally all of them. Except maybe gas planets. Yeah. But even then, probably. Even then, you'd probably just get some gas out of bloody Jupiter. Like a sun or whatever.

Yeah, it'd be fine. Idiots. Maybe they're just dicks. Yeah, I think they probably are. Because if you can fly through space, if you've got this amazing technology, you don't need resources. You've got them. You've got all the resources.

Exactly. You could stay where you are. They're tilling the land. They're out on the field. Yeah. Yeah. I would have liked to see a space cow. Me too.

That would have been great. All right. Let's do what we read. Okay. Let's do our famous segment, what we read and what we're going to read. I'm doing the thing. What are we reading today? Have you read anything?

What have I read? Well, I saw Now You See Me 2, which was ridiculous. Good. Had a good old time. It was great. I also watched the first, like, 25 minutes of the first episode of Constantine. Oh, what did you think? I've seen that.

Well, I think the fact that I only watched the first 25 minutes has probably turned it off. I thought it was like supernatural, but... Not as good? Real bad? There's only one guy. There's only one guy, and nobody acts like a real human being in it. Apparently it gets better.

I'm not going to go that far. And he crosses over with Arrow. Oh, for five seconds in one episode. Or whatever. I don't know what they do. Do you like the bit where he lit his fists on fire? He probably didn't get up to that. Didn't get up to that point.

That may not have even happened. Right? It's just what you wish would have happened. There's a character in it and one of her best friends is just murdered and turned into a zombie monster creature. I don't remember. And then she's over it in, like, the next scene. Maybe they weren't that good of friends.

They seemed like good friends. Oh. This girl picked her up from her job when her car didn't start or something. Would you pick me up if my car didn't start? Yeah. Good, thanks, man. Good. I don't know what else I watched this week.

Not much. Well, I read something which I'd recommend to you. It's called dark knight a true batman story oh yes i've been waiting this for a while and then i when i downloaded it i forgot that this is what it was yes but it's it's by paul denis he's had a massive hand in the batman animated series that's why they call it the deniverse that's right and this is it's kind of partly a history lesson for the for that show because it's told from paul denny's perspective it's his life at the time where this traumatic event happened to him and it's how he

deals with it so it's his actual life story with some exaggerated moments because he has like one-to-one conversations with batman the joker and some other villains so batman appears to him so what is this a book or a comic book it's a a comic book. And it's written and drawn by him? It's written by him. I don't know if it's drawn by him. I don't think it is. That's interesting. No, it's really cool.

And it's kind of him dealing with this psychological trauma and how he kind of got through it. And this is also him publishing this book was also kind of his way of putting a cap on it and being done with it it's kind of it's it's a little bit kind of uh what's that christmas story christmas carol where like the batman villains and batman kind of show up to kind of influence him right they don't show him the future in the past or whatever he has conversations with them that could very easily be quite cheesy and no good but he's saying it's great okay i didn't that being

said i haven't read any other reviews for it so maybe a lot of people hate it but no i i really enjoyed it and it's because it's yeah like i said it's a little bit history lesson you learn you learn a little bit there's a little bit insight into the into the animated series and and even paul denny's personal life and kind of uh like he's drinking and he's had this kind of dysfunctional kind of obsession with this actress. He's kind of using him to get to Spielberg. Okay. And I'd love to know who that was. Yeah.

Somebody knows, tweet it at me. Somebody will have figured it out by now. Yeah, definitely, yeah. I'm thinking about getting into 11-22-63. Have you watched that? No, what's that? It's the one where the, it's based on the Stephen Spielberg, Stephen King story.

Right, there's a difference. Sort of. They're both great. Right, there's a difference. Sort of. They're both great. Right, but it's the one where a man finds a portal back to the 60s. 1122-63? Yeah, 1122-63 being

the day Kennedy was killed. And he has to go back... He goes back in time and he has to figure out whether he... It's got James Franco in it. He has to go back in time to determine whether or not

he should, you know, stop the assassination of JFK. Does he? I don't know. I haven't seen it. I'm thinking about getting into it. That's what I'm talking it. It has to go back in time to determine whether or not he should, you know, stop the assassination of JFK. Does he? I don't know. I haven't seen it. I'm thinking about getting into it. That's what I'm talking about. How many episodes are there?

I'll tell you. None. There is currently 50. Seven episodes. Okay. What's it on? Oh, it's just on Stan. Right here it's on Stan.

Stan. You bloody love Stan, don't you? I've just gotten a subscription to Stan, which is for Americans is like Australian Netflix. And we also have Netflix. We also have Netflix, yeah. Good. Yeah, yeah, man.

Well, Mason, I hope you're ready for the next segment of the show. I don't know. I bet you are. I don't know, James. What's the next episode of the show? Ah! Whenever there's a delay, I blame your Wi-Fi. How dare you? No.

My Wi-Fi is second to none. Your dog was asleep. I wonder what she was dreaming about. Probably dog stuff. Being away from you. Oh, no. Boo, you're a bad dog how dare you dog she's got a wonderful personality good it's from life this is from fergal quickly it's like a eel

she looks like an otter yeah yeah a friend of the show fergal quick yeah does a does a fantastic artwork after a lot of our episodes. Before we get into Fergal Quigley, there is a Weekly Planet comic book. Yes, there is. Which is on the Reddit, which I'll link below. Great. Which is really funny and really, I don't know, it's well-timed, both the way it's drawn and also the dialogue. Yeah, it's good, right?

Yeah. So thank you for that it's awesome i'll link it below but um i i i was genuinely surprised how much i enjoyed it and you're in it and i guess that must appeal to you on some level yeah no it's good my vanity specifically yes absolutely you're correct yeah that's really and also people can have a hand in where they want it to go next yeah it's like a choose your own adventure that's right it's me versus the the mayor that's right robert doyle that's right my arch nemesis uh so yeah i hate his bloody guts me too i do i do too okay get out of here you dog anyway not this dog no robert doyle mayor. Mayor of Melbourne, the dog. Okay. Virgil Quigley says,

who is the best worst paternal role model in comics? It's Batman because he's killed so many kids. He's so many Robins. Just, oh. They should have taken Damian Wayne away from him. I don't know if they have. Well, didn't Damian Wayne grow up without him? I guess that's true.

Yeah. Might be for the best. No, we got it. Surely we can think of a worse one. Worse than Batman. I mean, Reed Richards keeps throwing his children into dangerous situations. He sucks. In what sense?

He's just a shit bloke. He's just got no perspective on anything. Like from like a ground level. Right. He's all like, the greater good. I'm going to turn everything into a solar panel and ruin it. Like he's just a, he's just got no humanity, that bloke. But what you're saying is he's still a pretty good dad though,

is what you're saying. No, he sucks. Do you think he's worse than Batman then? He's killed less people. He's killed less kids than Batman. Green Arrow was unaware that his sidekick was addicted to heroin. That's true. For quite some time. That's a credit to his sidekick was addicted to heroin. That's true. For quite some time.

That's a credit to his sidekick's heroin hiding skills. Exactly. You know, when I think about it, that's true. Yeah, exactly.

What do you think about Alfred as either best or worse? Because he encouraged, look, Batman or Bruce Wayne couldn't be stopped in his quest. Yep.

And Alfred does make an effort to kind of be like maybe you shouldn't do this i think he's a pretty good dad he's a good father figure but also when he knows he can't stop it he's like well i'm going to support you 100 that's true and bloody i'll stitch your bloody wounds up and do whatever yeah plus i get to live in this sweet mansion that's true and bring you your breakfast yeah it's gonna be some worse dads let me think what about uncle ben in terms of best because of the example he sets by dying i mean he was a good bloke yeah but his sacrifice yeah

which i'm sure he didn't intend to make like echoes through spider-man's life for the better that's why he's the superior spider-man. Oh, Uncle Ben is. Sure. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. What else we got? Who's some comic book dads? Invincible as a kid. Howard Stark. Bad dad.

Never around. I mean, like, ladies. Tells his son that he loves him in a video that he'll see when he's 45. Yeah, like, lady years may be a little bit better. But it seems to me just a lunatic yeah just never around just building vests that blow up when you put them on just do whatever you want son yeah sure you know what one lesson i've learned son is just inherit my empire and keep making weapons that'll kill everyone. Bad dad.

Worse than Batman. What about Invincible's dad? Because he was set to earth to overtake it. And then nearly beat his son to death. But then he comes round. I would say he's just a regular dad because he has faults. Yeah, he's kind of a regular dad. Just on a bigger scale. Who's a better dad?

Pa Kent or Jor-El? Pa Kent. Bearing in mind, Jor-El's a hologram man now. One's Russell Crowe and one's Kevin Costner. Yeah, I know, right? How can you choose? It's like choosing between two dads. That's right.

Both of whom are the greatest actor in the world. Okay, Pa Kent gives Superman his humanity. Correct. Which I think is the most important foundation of superman but jor-el gives him crazy powerful kryptonian that's exactly right but not only that but that that's a given though like his zod could have been his father and given him that but park kent instills his values in him and then then with the DNA and with even the Kryptonian tech and history that he comes upon, he's able to use that through the lens of a human being with compassion. So I think that makes...

Look, Jor-El is the cooler dad. Yeah, that's right. He's the dad with the Mustang. Yeah. But Parkint is like your down-to-earth... That's true. You know, be a good bike dad. Galactus.

Great Dad. In what way? To the Silver Surfer. Yeah. You always know, you know what, you could be away for, you could be on the other side of the galaxy, you come back, he's always got a meal on the table for you. That's a planet.

It's a planet. Yeah, but. Yes. Well, I guess he gives you goals and boundaries correct which is important in parenting the power cosmic

he gives you that yeah pretty great a surfboard yeah that's not nothing that's right that's something you want for your birthday

that's right and it wasn't like he's a surfer and he's like have this son and you're like oh yeah I don't want to be like you whatever he gives them the bloody

the power to to surf all over the place. Surf the stars. Surf the stars. Yeah. Mephisto, father of Ghost Rider. Is he the father? I'm reaching. No, not really.

Look, they're all good dads in a way. They're all good dads, yeah. Most of them are bad dads, though. Correct. That's it. I think that's all we got. Good question, though. Thank you, Fergal Kowig Fergal I don't think I mentioned this

but if you want to send an email to the show you can and by that I mean tweet you just hashtag weeklyplanetpod and we'll get out there and we'll find it won't we we'll find some of them yeah man

this is to you specifically oh I can't wait this is from Greg Carter 78 hi Greg Greg Carter what did I say Greg hi Greg Carter. What did I say? Greg.

Hi, Greg Carter. How many tweets did you get about Zelda? Through the same hookout at work and three out of five people yelled at me. Can you explain that before we... So last week we were talking about a new Zelda game at E3. Yeah. a new Zelda game at E3 and I tried to make I tried to do the most obvious impression of someone who doesn't know that the main character of the Zelda games is Link

and I'm like it's that green clad forest ranger Zelda there he goes yeah there he goes brave warrior Zelda and often times people are like no Zelda's the girl at least I know.

I'm aware. I got one tweet and like two texts from you that were YouTube comments. So thanks for sending those to me. I appreciate it. So not too many. No, it's fine. The weekly wackity-dos are very switched on. They know a bad, terrible joke when they hear one.

They're used to them now. It's Stockholm syndrome. They're like, oh, he's stockholm syndrome they're like oh he's doing his dumb thing again where he pretends not to know a thing or he doesn't know a thing but he's doing so well though because he's talking that covers our bases though if we accidentally say a dumb thing we knew we were joking we've set it up rather well yeah i think so yeah the perfect crime this is from uh donny boy this is also to you oh i'm listening uh this is at Wikipedia Brown.

I'm listening to a podcast that's not Weekly Planet Pod and still hearing how famous you are. How has this fame changed you? I don't know what that podcast is. Me too, right? How has fame changed you? Not at all. Although I was driving the tram the other day

and somebody said, grab that gem at me. And I'm like, thanks, man. Could have been a coincidence. It was probably a coincidence. I was spilling some the other day and somebody said, grab that gem at me. And I'm like, thanks, man. Could have been a coincidence. It was probably a coincidence. I was spilling some gems at the time. They were getting all over my console. That floor and console. Yeah.

So it hasn't changed you except for that one time a guy recognized you. Yeah, and one time at a rock climbing. Oh, yeah, that's right. And the dude who came out from ship. Oh, yeah, that's right. To be rock climbing centre. And the dude who came out from Shep. Oh, yeah, that's right. To be like, what's up? That's very cool. Well, Mason, you haven't let it get to you yet.

Stay humble. I will not. Take that crown off. Stop looking at me in the eyes. You're not allowed to look at me in the eyes. That's from Elijah. Hi, Elijah. At phoenixagent003.

Ben Affleck says he won't move forward with a Batman movie until he likes the script. That's good, right? Hashtag we think about it a lot. How good is Ben Affleck at picking scripts? Pretty good. His efforts at filmmaking have been. He actually even admitted this week that he was kind of maybe off at Star Wars.

He was like, but I didn't do it. He admitted it because he'd clearly been drinking. Right, uh-huh. Nothing wrong with that. Is Ben Affleck a nerd or not? Because he was friends with Kevin Smith growing up. I don't think it was growing up. I think they met in the later years.

Okay. Because he did Mallrats. Right, uh-huh. But he's kind of moved away from that. I think he's one of those combo blokes. He has a foot in every world. All-rounder. Yeah.

Finger in every pie. That's right. I'm doing an act out. Yes. Poking some pies. Can't say it. He also kind of implied that, yeah, he's had experiences with movies where the script hasn't been 100%.

Yeah. And he's like, and you know how that turned out. And the people are like, does he mean Batman, Superman? Does he mean Jiggly? He means, Superman? Does he mean Gigli? Does he mean Jersey Girl? That was all right, wasn't it? People hate that movie, but was it that bad? Will Smith's in it.

I was going to say Will Smith's in it. They're going to finally complete the Will Smith, Ben Affleck face-off in Suicide Squad. That's right. I'm happy. Yeah. Yeah. But no, I don't think it's bad to wait till the script is good.

Correct. It's having a good script behind a movie is never a bad thing. Yeah, that's true. Depending on who's directing it. I guess the question is also that is he going like, is he going kind of off his own nose

and being like, is this script good to me? Or is he passing it along to like... I think him and Geoff Johns are doing it. Okay. Well, then all right. Okay, good. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Or is he giving it to Kevin Smith... I think him and Geoff Johns are doing it. Okay, well then all right. Okay, good. Yeah, okay.

Or is he giving it to Kevin Smith? I don't think they really... And it's like, would you like to add some side characters to this, Kevin Smith? I don't think they chat that much anymore. They've had different paths. One's making a movie about Nazi sausages and the other one's Batman.

That's true. Everybody's got a different path in life. I agree. Mason, I've got a dilemma. What's your dilemma, James? Next week, Tarzan is out in the US and other parts of the world, but it's not out here. That being said, we can go to a screening on Monday night. What, tomorrow?

No, next Monday. So we can delay the podcast by maybe six to ten hours. Okay. Go and see it, come back, record it. I'll edit it straight away. I'll clean it up, whatever I do, and put it out. Or do you want to do like a Game of Thrones episode? Because it's the last week of Game of Thrones is happening.

Oh, yeah. That would mean you'd have to shotgun 10 episodes of Game of Thrones. Boy, wouldn't I. Do you have them there? Yeah, I think I do, actually. Okay. Yeah. Look, I think that people are going to want a Game of Thrones episode.

Okay. So we might have to do that. That being said, if Tarzan's amazing. If it's amazing. Yeah. If we heard nothing but good things. And if you really want us to do a Tarzan episode. Let us know.

We'll do it, man. Okay. But maybe Game of Thrones, among other stuff. I think overwhelmingly it's going to be a Game of Thrones episode. Okay. But let us know. Maybe you love Tarzan. Maybe you love Tarzan.

Yeah. Yeah, man. I have heard some things that it's pretty good. Has anybody specifically said at mr sunday movies on twitter I just saw Tarzan and it's better than season six of game of thrones because if nobody said that yeah yeah right yeah I don't know I I think Tarzan looks pretty good I don't know whether it would be good who knows I like the guy from Tarzan. Like, he looks like a good Tarzan, don't you think? Yeah, okay, yeah.

Not convinced with the apes. Sure. Not convinced. And if you're watching Tarzan, you're going to want good apes. It's all about them apes. It's all about the apes. Yeah. That's the show for this week.

All right, let us know about that thing. Yeah. Hashtag Weekly Planet Pod. Yeah. Tweet me at MrSundayMovies. Oh, and me at WikipediaBrown. That's right. Where else can people

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I think our next one will probably be that wine's kicking in it'll either be Ghostbusters or Star Trek yeah okay I think maybe

Ghostbusters is first so you'd love to do a Ghostbusters commentary I'd love to do a Ghostbusters commentary, wouldn't you? I'd love to do a Ghostbusters commentary. That'd be great. Or would you just talk? Or would you just watch it, though?

Because that's one of your favourite movies. Oh, look, I'll make an effort to talk. All right, then. Yeah. What else? You can follow The Weekly Planet on Twitter. That is our friend Robert Collings. He does a great job.

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That's true. Just click on the link, you go to the regular Amazon, you pay the same regular low Amazon prices and we get a kickback of some sort. Who's to say? Yeah, we get a percentage, but it doesn't cost the person anything. Anything extra.

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UNICEF. It's been up for ages. We're nearly at $40,000. Gee willikers. What was it? I don't even know the website. Everyday Hero. That was it.

If you do want to get the Q&A, you can get it from there. It's all written by Ben M. Davis. That's the one. Artwork by Eric Helmer. Very cool. I love it. I bloody love it.

And there's some nice bloody Easter eggs in there, mate. We are at $38,891.96. Say that number again. some nice bloody Easter eggs in there, mate. We are at $38,891.96. Say that number again. $38,891.96. Good Lord. Well done, everybody. Yes, exactly. Bloody nailed that.

All right. Thank you, everybody. Yep. Did we forget anything? Almost certainly. Anyway, we'll do it next week. Grab that jam, everybody. Grab it.

Bye. Bye. Bye. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.