The Weekly Planet - 142 Game Of Thrones S6 & BVS Ultimate Cut

Episode Date: July 4, 2016

This week we sum up our feelings on Game Of Thrones Season 6, discuss why Tazan isn’t resonating with audiences, touch on James Cameron’s dislike for The Force Awakens, something about Spider-man Homecoming, Underworld Blood Wars, Jared Leto in Justice League and more! Plus we break down the good and bad of the Batman V Superman Ultimate Cut. Good. Bloody. Times. Thanks for watching!1:05 Tarzan Talk4:59 Roland Emmerich Moon Fall movie6:42 Mace Windu isn’t dead10:10 James Cameron on Star Wars11:42 Han Solo movie looking good13:40 Spider-man Homecoming news15:48 Underworld Blood Wars moved20:40 Jared Leto in Justice League?22:44 Games Of Thrones Season 61:13:24 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read (BVS Ultimate Cut)1:22:47 Letter’s It’s Time For LettersRaw Collings TWP Animated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRVCa6XnZ80Buy the BvS Ultimate Cut on Amazon: https://amzn.to/35n43gLPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesMr Sunday Movies YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/lB90W2The Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind out T-Shirts here: https://goo.gl/q6gE9C Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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It's hard to do that with different inflection, I just realised. Yep, and also you were immediately thrown by the fact that your dog is smacking its lips together. I noticed you're like, welcome to the... and he's just... I saw a vine this week and it's a pig right it's like a happy pig and he's just chomping

just chomping away just randomly chomping he's just like I thought you were going to say I saw a vine this week when I checked out Tarzan at the theatre no absolutely not

now last week we said should we talk about Game of Thrones season 6 or Tarzan or Tarzan the new Tarzan movie and i said i will only look we assume that popular opinion will be for game of thrones yeah but i'll what we'll do tarzan if people have said i've seen them both and tarzan's better yeah some people did they were clearly lying i got a lot of tweets well i just saw tarzan and it's better than season six

of game of thrones like suspiciously large amount all worded exactly like that. Oh, you think it's a bot? Something's afoot. I don't know what it is. You think it's at Tarzan, dumb movie, the Twitter feed, and it's just put out a whole bunch of bots. Exactly. They picked up on it and they're like, why is this trending?

What's happening? All right, I guess we just pretend it's better than Game of Thrones. Here we go. Do you think, is this really the, because it didn't do super well, critically or commercially. Yeah. Do you think, I think, what's that one called? The one where all the people try to kill each other once a year.

Oh, The Purge. The Purge, which has like a super low budget, is going to do better. I don't think the demographics cross over. No, no, but i'm saying but but tarzan might will be under like finding dory and that's true yeah so do you think this is the nail in the coffin for for your john carter's your tarzan the phantom you know you always say why do you make them what are you doing do you think this is definitively it look i think it is but i don't think it'll stop them trying because if they already have the licenses yeah

yeah like if you can acquire the- Is Tarzan- I think anyone can do Tarzan though, because this one might be Warner Brothers. I don't know that for a fact. But Disney did one. I think anybody can do a Tarzan. There was an animated one like two years ago, like a CG one. Oh, yeah.

There was Grey Stoke in the 80s, and then there was one like two years before that. Yeah. One had Bo Derek. I don't know. I don't remember which one. Tarzan Babies. Tarzan Babies. Tarzan Babies. Christopher Lambert was Tarzan once.

Really? Yeah. He was in Greystoke. He was in Greystoke. Oh, that's true. He was. Yeah. Look, I think, first of all, on the Christopher Lambert note, I just recently watched Ghost

Rider Spirit of Vengeance again. Is he in that? Yeah, he's in that. He's a monk. He's a monk with a tattooed face. Anyway, I was just going to say, still holds up. If you're completely turned off the Ghost Rider franchise because because the first one yes second one's really fun i've never seen it it's real good well it's the guys who did crank wasn't it oh yeah maybe yeah but it might not be no way of knowing uh second thought i think that

maybe like the tarzan franchise i think is maybe only powered by like movie executives egos. Right. Like they're in the club, like they're in their, in their clubhouse or whatever. And somebody is like, I, you know,

I released the latest Tarzan and it just sank without a trace. And somebody is like, you're an idiot. Anyone can make a Tarzan movie, make a profit. And then they go out and they make their own version of Tarzan. And they're like, oh,

I thought it would be like a competition who could lose the least amount of money. Cause they've never been a win. It's like, well, they lost 80 million on that one. That's pretty good, oh. I thought it would be like a competition who could lose the least amount of money. Because they've never been a win. It's like, well, they lost 80 million on that one. That's pretty good, Darren. Well done, Darren Warner Brothers. What do you got there, Mason? It looks like an interesting thing.

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It's weird, right? Well, look, I'm going to ask for free stuff. Loot Crate, if you're listening, I would like the level up box with the clothes in it, the apparel items. Okay. There you go. There you go. We're two sides of the same coin. In a way. Anyway, before we're going to talk about the news i'm going to crack this baby open okay well i'll start while you're doing that uh so roland emmerich has signed on for his next next project after independence day is it independence day three no they're making the franchise are they trying to do it it's oh it's called moonfall and it's

based off original script by himself and two others. What do you think Moonfall might be about, Mason? Oh, is the moon going to fall into the earth? Yes. God, I can't think of anything worse. It's likened to a combination of 2012 and Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters and follows an unlikely band of misfits who must unite to save humanity when the moon falls out of orbit and hurtles towards the earth.

Now, that to you does that sound more 2012 or more close encounters which of those two do you think it seems more independence day two if they thought about it for even a second okay the way you defeat humanity in independence day two is if you had a spaceship that was 3 000 miles long you just drop it on the earth and literally everyone would die and then you could just cut to the core. Has everybody seen Independence Day 2 yet? I don't know.

Sure. Anyway, the point is that they want to drill into the Earth's core and steal all the magma or whatever. Just kill everybody by dropping a spaceship on us. That's right. We'd all die. You could just,

if you could clunk that spaceship into the side of the moon though and just kind of, like you'd play pool, just pocket it into the Earth. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. You wouldn't even need to use the spaceship. the side of the moon, though, and just kind of, like you'd play pool, just pocket it into the earth. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. You wouldn't even need to use the spaceship.

What's the first item, Mason? This is the dystopian edition. Yeah. This is my jam, man. We've got a little Fallout man. Oh, cool, yeah. A little Fallout vinyl collectible man. He's in his little power suit.

We got a Hulk last time. We did, but that was a different one. That wasn't a different thing. That was a Q-Fig. That was really cool. Yeah, yeah. But it's a Dorbz, this's adorbs this one adorbs a lot of cool stuff good stuff all right i'm with your news okay anyway that sounds like garbage well then rick stop making garbage i know you never will sam jackson yeah has said in an interview that

mace windu isn't dead and in his mind and george lucas also agrees with him bearing in mind that neither of these people have any hand in star wars anymore exactly and also maybe you guys have forgotten because you're too busy up in your ivory towers counting your money but sure star wars happened a long time ago so they're all dead they're all dead that's right unless mace windu's turned evil and he's his power of he's snoke he's snoke oh there we go then he's back baby Snoke's got hands though so if you remember definitively

Mace Windu was going to kill the Emperor yes and then Anakin cut off his hand and the Emperor threw him out the window

the window I'm sure no one's ever made that joke before what if what if they haven't though oh I was on the first every once in a while you've got to tweet it now.

You've got to tweet it right now. I've got to get on that, don't I? Yeah, no, do this podcast. But you know what? If there was a continuation of... If there were four prequels, there's a chance that they could bring him back because Jedi have survived worse than that.

Anakin Skywalker, he got his arms and legs cut off rolling a fire. He even jumped out of a speeding... Oh, I remember. He jumped out of a speeding flying car and onto another car. He fell like 200 feet. Do you remember that one? So that was pre him falling into the fire.

Yes, that's true. Yeah. But I'm just saying he... And if you remember, all Jedi, like, they land on their hands. So Windu's in a lot of trouble. He can't... He can't land on a hand in the stump

yeah exactly look you know what you know what I would like to see yes that's pretty cool you know what I would like to see if they were to bring him back

you could do a one off comic where he's in the underground like he's in the the Coruscant like sewers and they send

Darth Vader after him oh that'd be pretty good. I don't think it has to be a movie or we have to see it live action or whatever. Yeah. Or maybe a TV show. Wait, so is he trapped in the sewers? No, I'm saying if he was alive. How long has he been in the sewers?

This is the thing I'm making up. I know, and I'm picking holes in it immediately. He's eating space rats. So don't take this to Lucas and look like a fool in front of him. All right? Okay. When they call me in. So he's just been flapping about in the sewers with no hands. Yeah, they're like, we're all out of ideas.

We're all out of Star Wars. Oh, okay, great. What have you got for us? And I'll be like, Mace Windu eating rats chased by Darth Vader? Oh, yeah, womp rats. Yeah, womp rats. They're too big, though. The size of a T-16, mate.

They're pretty hard. No, they're not much bigger than two meters. That's true. So you could eat like a king in the sewers eat a womp rat matrix 300 piece puzzle sweet which way which matrix movie the matrix so good make a sequel to that what are you doing you're bloody not you but i mean if you're pitching movies make a matrix sequel do a sequel do another one retconcon? Or just continue it, but do a good one. I just continue it.

I kind of would like to say, I've been thinking about it the other day. I kind of would like to see, like, if you did one, say, set, if you did one that was released in, say, 2017. Yeah. Would you set it in 2017? Like, would you assume that the Matrix Society would move on? Or would it still be set in 1999? It depends if they reset it or not.

Or if they got everybody out of the Mac. They wouldn't have... I mean, they said there was an uneasy truce. Yeah. So who knows? How is that going to last? Also, is The Matrix Online in continuity? No.

Is Enter the Matrix Online with Jada Fink and Smith in continuity? Yes, it is. Yes, it is, yeah. It was filmed side by side. James Cameron also had some things to say about Star Wars. Oh, yes. He said that... Oh, I heard about this.

Yeah, okay. The Star Wars films, the George Lucas ones, including the prequels, had more kind of visual imagination than The Force Awakens. Now, I can see where he's coming from because a lot of the visuals in The Force Awakens was derivative, like a lot of the creature designs and the aesthetics of the spaceships and whatever. But come on.

What are you doing? Yeah. And also this is the same James Cameron that was really super on board with Terminator Genesis. He heavily endorsed it. He heavily endorsed it. I think he only watched the first 15 minutes, which was kind of a rehash of his one with a little bit of a twist. Speaking of James Cameron. Oh.

Terminator print. Terminator skull print. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Is that the right? Is that the music? Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. That's Terminator, isn't it? No, you've gotten that very wrong.

And it's upsetting when you did that. Yeah, pretty good. Want to put this up on my wall? In your wall. Good. In your wall or on your wall? What's that, tin? Yeah, it's tin.

Good stuff. But it's calling something derivative when also avatar yeah right i know a lot of people love avatar and i don't hate it i don't like it too much but that's derivative of like there's alien there's mechs from aliens in it you know it's fern gully it's it's fern gully it's dances with wolves it's you know what i mean it's it's a whole bunch of stuff kind of kind of going on it's the smurfs so you know yeah i just think it's a bit rich i don't look he probably just said but they probably just said what do you think of episode seven and he just went yeah i thought some of it was derivative it's probably been blown out of proportion uh concept artist ian mccague who's a star wars concept artist he said that he's read the Han Solo solo movie script, and he said it's the best

script that he's ever read. He laughed, he cried, he did all the things you should do when reading a good script. You're in for a treat. Mason, he mentioned you specifically. That's odd. I should point out, I have bipolar disorder, but I laughed and then I cried and then I laughed again and cried. Oh, I was on a rooftop. Yeah. But he's not like a professional scriptwriter. Well, that's exactly right. He's not a professional scriptwriter, is he? The thing is, it's not bad news. Do you know what I mean?

If he read it and was like, ugh, then maybe, you know what I mean? It's just, he liked it. That's great. You know what I mean? So I can't really complain. I'm not super looking forward to the Han Solo solo movie. It's fun to say, though, isn't it? It is. But you know what? hand solo solo movie but it's fun to say though

isn't it it is but you know what if it's if it's good it's good mate that's bloody that is you know yeah better a good one than a bad one i say what's the t-shirt this month oh oh that's great right robot cop it's our favorite robot cop oh it's a good one that's a cool design now that's now that is a good print uh it's original original flavor robocop. Oh, it's a good one. That's a cool design. Now that is a good print. It's original flavour Robocop. Yeah. It's very good. I might blow you away that tomorrow.

You can't wear it tomorrow. It's Independence Day. It's unpatriotic. No, Robocop's bloody the most... There's a statue of him in Detroit. It's made of bronze. That's a good point. Yeah.

He's the most... I'm trying to think if there's a more American robot. He represents American ingenuity. He represents... He represents the car industry, doesn't he? He represents somebody being riddled with bullets. That's American. I think Johnny Five is more an American robot.

No. You don't think so? No. What does he do that's American? He does catchphrases. That's pretty American. Yeah. Is there a more

I was going to say Terminator's obviously not Yeah Because he's got an accent Correct Yeah Right out Right out

Alright Did you catch those Spider-Man set photos? Yes I did So Spider-Man's on the streets Got a little backpack on Got a little backpack Now apparently

A lot of the Spider-Man Homecoming Or a section of it at least Will be set in Washington On a field trip Okay So It's interesting to take Spider-Man Homecoming, or a section of it at least, will be set in Washington on a field trip. Okay. So, it's interesting to take Spider-Man outside of New York for the first time in 15 years since we've been getting them.

Yeah, it's okay. That's pretty cool. What Washington-themed villains is he going to fight? Flag Smasher. The Lincoln Ape from Planet of the Apes. Yep. It's going to come to life. I can't think of any.

Rick Flat. Not Rick Flag. Nuke. He could fight Nuke. Yeah. Okay, good. Great. He's turned up in Jessica Jones.

Also, those pictures, they look pretty good. It's one of those things where he's wearing the suit. Yep. But the mask doesn't fit him completely. I think it's like they probably did with Civil War and what they did with the Black Panther suit

you wear the suit for kind of visual reference and then they just kind of put the CGI over the top because a lot of time you know they'll wear

like the Iron Man shell and then they'll just completely which they can do like they can do fine detail stuff they can do anything oh it's crazy now

yeah just they can change like they can change expressions now yeah they won't even have actors at all

that's right one of the first things they did that was when um well not one of the first but one of the first

publicised ones was Jennifer Connelly has a single tear at the end of Blood Diamond when she's talking Leonardo DiCaprio's like I'm in South Africa

or whatever as he's dying spoiler alert because he got the Blood Diamond but he realised but remember what I always say bling bang that's what he says right and then he turns I'm in South Africa or whatever as he's dying. Spoiler alert. Because he got the blood diamond, but he realized. But remember what I always say, bling bang.

That's what he says, right? And then he turns to the camera and he winks. And they added that wink in. They did, yeah. Because he couldn't wink. He can only blink. He can only blink. They added a cap here, yeah.

Little known fact. So yeah, it's good to see Spider-Man underway. We're getting that sometime next year. Can't remember when. But for the first time in a long time, it's good to be looking forward to a Spider-Man underway. We're getting that sometime next year. Can't remember when, but for the first time in a long time, it's good to be looking forward to a Spider-Man movie. Right. Unless it's, you know,

it still could turn out terribly. Well, I think I feel I had always been looking forward to Spider-Man movies. I just knew they were all going to be bad. Nah, one or two are alright. Yeah, they're pretty good. Yeah.

You're a fan of Underworld? The 80s slash 90s techno band yes under the radar yes uh kind of okay well that you mean the movies well no i was gonna say conversely are you also a fan of underworld the movie series there's been they've never had a feud with the fun-loving criminals is that they got into a fistfight in australia one time really yeah underworld and the fun-loving who won that i believe the fun-loving criminals Yeah, they got into a fist fight in Australia one time. Really? Yeah, Underworld and the Fun Loving Criminals. Who won that? I believe the Fun Loving Criminals did.

Well, they've got a rep, don't they? They've got a rep, exactly. So Underworld Blood Wars has been moved from October 14th, 2016 of this year, obviously, to January 6th, 2017, which is the toilet of movie release months. It was the toilet of movie release months. Yeah, but January's still... Yeah.

Because it's like, Oscars are... You can't get in for Oscar season. That's true. There's no big releases. Like, Star Wars will still be residually kind of making money, I assume. Not like Force Awakens money, but, you know, the Rogue One will still be doing all right. Uh-huh. Like, there's not... It's where you kind of release your i don't know you're taking threes and your buddy whatever

yeah blood things are going to change though because it's just kind of i think i think it's slowly changing but i don't think but this isn't the one to be like underworld underworld you know blood war i had to read see what it was i do a blood wars like breaks january box office records right like this isn't going to be it yeah like if they release like kingsman yeah this isn't the one I had to read to see what it was. Underworld Blood Wars breaks January box office records. This isn't going to be it. If they release Kingsman... Yeah, this isn't the one that's going to turn the trend around. I'm not saying it's even going to be bad. It'll probably be as good as all the other ones,

which is to say that they're fine. And they're more kind of... I don't know. I feel like... Has this kind of thing had its day? Because Underworld's kind of like... It's kind of a crow kind of knockoff. Yeah. Not exactly, but it's like that era of Daredevil and Blade and all's kind of like it's a kind of a crow kind of knockoff yeah not

exactly but it's like that era of like daredevil and like blade and all those kind of things and just all the coolest things they could think of distilled into one thing yeah ultimately was not cool in any way mostly because of scott speedman he's all right he's fine come on cut him some slack he was in felicity probably yeah it's true it was pretty good in that probably yeah yeah what's that anything else in the box oh there's a couple of things well we've got our LUT pin

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I didn't finish it they're actually re-releasing all the they're remastering it they're releasing it what we've got here is we've got a Bioshock Infinite? Yeah, it's really good. I didn't finish it. They're actually re-releasing all the... They're remastering it and releasing it. What we've got here is we've got a Bioshock Infinite key blank. Right? I don't remember what that is.

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Sure, yeah. So Jared Leto apparently popped into London just for the day. He was 20 miles from where they're filming Justice League and then he buggered on back home. People were like, was he popping in for a pint? Probably not because he's got pretty good abs. What about a bag of chips? Crisps?

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So this is leading people to believe Is he having a Justice League cameo Arkham Knight Sorry not Arkham Arkham Do you reckon he'll be Featured in Justice League? Because Lex Luthor's also said

To be in it And he's also in And he's being sent to Arkham. I don't remember whether they said that the original cut of Batman Superman, but in the Ultimate Cut, which I'm going to talk about in what we're reading. Great. We'll bloody get around to it. People want to know our opinions,

and so we'll get to that, won't we? But yeah, do you think it'd be a good idea to get bloody the Joker in there in some? Yes. Yeah. In what capacity? I mean, what do you do if he's there for such a small amount of time? Well, I mean, I say that now, but I want to see if Suicide Squad's good first.

Or his portrayal in it. He looks pretty good. I think it... I mean, I'm not a huge fan of all the design stuff, but I think he'll do a good job. Yeah, chuck him in. Why not? Get him a go. Give him a bloody red hot go.

And I mean, have we ever had a live action Lex Luthor team up with a live action The Joker? I don't believe so, no. I don't think we have, so that'll be good. Or bad. Yeah, we'll think of the Lex Luthors that we've had. Lex Losers, more like. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Gene Hackman.

More like Gene Hackman. Yeah. Anyway, I want to talk about Lex Luthor a bit later as well. Okay, that's right, great. Look, so, look, like we said, we gave the choice of Game of Thrones and Tarzan. It wasn't a real choice. No, and a lot of people said, you know, I don't care about Game of Thrones and Tarzan. It wasn't a real choice. And a lot of people said, you know, I don't care about Game of Thrones,

but a lot of people, well on board. So for some of you, great. For some others, not as great. Like me, not so great because I had to watch 10 episodes of Game of Thrones. What I cannot understand is why you do not care about Game of Thrones. Because? The lack of magic. I know you've said that before. There's not enough magic, certainly, but it's a it's a cruel universe it's so upsetting like you know like okay so here's

the thing I went into this season oh by the way spoilers for this yeah look you've either seen it or you don't care yeah um my one wish going into this season was to see something really horrible happen to Ramsay Bolton yeah so expectations exceeded yes I feel so everything else is gravy to this point but like it's never you never you never go into a season of this and go okay this is gradually leading to the good guys right like coming out of this you know this darkness or whatever sure like you get some sweet revenge on a man being eaten by his own dogs yeah and then every other good character, something horrible happens to them.

Yeah, but I would say of all the seasons, this is the most satisfying in terms of good guys winning. Yeah, okay. As much as you can win in this universe. Right, that's probably true, yeah. Because I thought the way we could do this, by the way, is I've just listed all the kind of big moments. Instead of being like, what happened to episode one? i'm just like you know i remember just bloody bang

through it that way overall yeah because when when we talk about like when netflix releases jessica jones or dead or something like that yes we will often say well we'll discuss could they have taken the 13 episodes and compacted them down to 10 right i kind of feel like this season this 10 episode season could have been cut down quite a bit. See, I thought of all the seasons, this is the one that felt the least stretched out. Oh, okay. Because this is the first season off book.

That's true, yeah. Which means the previous seasons have roughly been you have to kind of be at, not always, there is variation, but you have to be at this point. Maybe it's, I mean, it might be a function of me doing 10 episodes in like two days. Where I'm like, oh God. You had seven days, Mason. Yeah, that's true.

Like this talking talk and I'm like, oh God, just. Just get to it, little finger. Just bluff the sparrow heart or whatever. Just do it. We know what's going to happen. So you were like, that's telegraphed pretty early on. No, no, actually I didn't say that. Not really.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's, I think that's probablygraphed pretty early no no actually I didn't say that not really oh really okay yeah yeah well that's I think that's probably what that just happened so maybe we'll talk about that towards the end yeah the season kicks off

where oh by the way were you like I don't remember any of this or any of these people ah no like uh

I mean there were a few that were sort of because there were a few that I characters that I had to look up because they hadn't appeared in a few seasons yeah like like benjamin didn't appear ends appeared from season one right yeah it's in like three episodes yeah yeah yeah absolutely so and i and i yeah as a casual viewer is it like if you're if you're a massive fan i think people you know that character

reappearing you'd be like oh oh, my God, what's happening? But I was like, this would be a good reveal if I knew who he was still. Sure. Oh, his face is a little different now because he's a white or something. Well, they teased his reveal last season. That's how they tricked Jon Snow. Oh, yeah. Because they were like, your uncle's back.

That's right. And then it was like, tricked, you've been stabbed. Maybe we should open on that. Okay. So the season ended with Jon Snow being stabbed. And almost immediately, book readers in particular were like, he's not dead. Well, he's dead, but he'll come back.

Yes. Did you think he should have been dead for longer? Because it was like a season two, wake up at the end of the episode. Yeah. Moment. No, because i think get on with it yeah well yeah get on with it certainly also again this this this season did feel to me kind of like because as i understand they're going to do like 10 or 15 more episodes yeah and it's it i i think there might be a movie in some way well it might be 10 episodes

and then a movie yeah that's that's what i was gonna say because it might be a movie in somewhere. Well, it might be 10 episodes and then a movie. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Because it might be, this felt kind of like the wagon circling around, like kind of everybody's building their armies and their forces. Yes. And then I was like, well, if this doesn't happen at the end of this season, then next season there's going to be some waffling and then everybody's going to fight. And then it's the finale.

Right, right. Yeah, so I was kind of like, all right, we know he's going to come back. Getling and then everybody's going to fight and then yes then it's the finale right right yeah so i was kind of like all right we know he's going to come back get on with it it's fine yeah absolutely because there is precedent in this universe yeah not so much in the show yeah i think we talked about it last there there is a character who's one guy's come back oh if you can sort of count the mountain but that's like a different kind of yeah he's a zombie yeah he's a zombie i don't like him much he's a scary guy yeah we got the return of his brother as well right we did oh it was a big season for people coming back. Yeah. He's a zombie. I don't like him much. He's a scary guy. Yeah. We got the return of his brother as well, right? We did. It was a big season for people coming back. We got Benjen Stark, who's Coldhands, but Coldhands might be someone different in the books.

I haven't read the books, by the way. I read the first one and then I was like, you know what? I like the show better. Yeah, fair enough. Because I could actually, I think I'm better visually. Because in the book when I'm like, look, it's bloody Blast's comeback. And I'm like, who's he? What?

Yeah, right. But if I see him, I'm like, I'm good with faces. What if they made a picture book? Oh, that would be so much easier. Not a comic book, but a picture book. No, I want a picture book. Oh, okay, sure. I've read the, there's a Dunkin' Egg comic book, which I've read.

Dunkin' Egg. It's pretty good, man. Who's Dunkin' Egg? He's like, he's one of the, he's from the old lineage, the Targaryen. And it's a hedge knight that. Oh, I see. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I think I've talked about it before.

We have, yeah. That's good. It's pretty fun. What was I going to that... Oh, I see. I know what you're talking about. I think I've talked about it before. We have, yeah. That's good. It's pretty fun. What was I going to say? Yeah, so Jon Snow comes back and then they're like... And he's like, I'm leaving. I'm not hanging out by the wall anymore.

Well, his watch was done, technically. Yeah, and then they're like, you swore an oath. And he's like, I was dead. Fuck you. In fact, I feel that that should now be his excuse for anything he doesn't want to do anymore. Yeah, that's right.

Like, I was dead. Leave me alone. I'm not taking the bins out. Can you do that forever, though? No. Because if you're a guy, see, in this world that we live in, you can be dead for minutes. Yeah. Not days or hours.

And someone can bring you back. That excuse only flies for like a year. Yeah, probably. Yeah. It's true. Yeah. You've got to go back to work. Yeah.

So, yeah, Benjen's back. The Hound, did you like the reveal? Yeah. He's a good character. I think so, yeah. He's good with an axe. Yes. Ian McShane, he actually got in some trouble with fans

because he's like, I'm only in one episode, but I had a lot of fun and whatever. And fans are like, you spoiled it, Ian McShane. Well, we should talk about, yeah, just. But but he was like it's only tits and dragons shut up like he didn't care he's like shut your mouth i know but that's like again the spoiler culture it's crazy it's crazy now did you hear a lot of this stuff before no oh well i only you didn't have your ear to the ground or if you heard heard it, you would have been like, that means nothing to me. Correct. Because oftentimes, like, in order to be...

I think in order to be spoiled on Twitter with Game of Thrones, for the most part, you have had to have seen the previous couple of episodes. Right, right. Because then... Because all... People will tweet something like, oh, my God, hashtag GOT.

Yeah. And I'm like, oh, somebody was killed. Yeah, yeah. In the episode or whatever. Right, right. Your brother. And I'm like, oh, somebody was killed. Yeah, yeah. In the episode or whatever. Right, right. Right. Your brother, the one I like, will only ever text you. Yes.

If some amazing event happened in an episode of Game of Thrones. And he'll just be like, have you watched it? Yeah. So then I know. You know something big has happened. But if I don't get a text, I'm like, oh, it's a nothing episode. It's a nothing episode. Because I normally, because it comes out here maybe 11 or 12.

Right. In the morning. Yeah. And then I watch it at night. So I shut down the internet. And it really bothers me that I can't go. Because my Facebook feed, my Twitter, people don't message me spoilers, which I appreciate,

but there's like a thousand YouTube videos pop up. So I just have to kind of step away from it. Yeah. And also, like you were saying, you're more a visual reference. Like if somebody like if somebody's like oh this person even if somebody was to do a spoiler and be like oh this person died yeah unless it's like one of them like unless it's one of the starks or something like that i would have to like purposefully go into my memory to remember who that character is right so i'm like just don't think about it you're fine well let's talk about going into memories mason okay one of the characters

who came back yes who wasn't in last season was Bran yeah he's back in a big way as my friend said he's been hanging out with the freak in the tree

that's what he said yes my friend Matt but uh now he's the freak in the tree no he's the freak in the tree but they swapped because there was another

kind of old man and they were like can we get someone better for this? Now it's Max von Sydow. Was. Yeah, all right, was. Yeah. Turned into a weird ghost group murdered in real life.

Yeah, so Bran now has, I mean, he's always had it, but he can. Yeah. Like he's really. He can go into memories. Yeah, they've really ramped up that he can go into this green site and he can go into memories, he can go into the past. He can't alter the past, right? I think it's like a loop.

Yeah, so he can do things in the past that have been preordained, I guess. Yes, like he calls out to his father who hears him, sort of, and he breaks Hodor's brain. Yes, he does. Yeah. Indirectly. I was going to say the last good man in Westeros, but he's the second last brain. Yes, he does. Yeah. Indirectly. The last, I was going to say the last good man in Westeros,

but he's the second last good man in Westeros. Who's the- The final good last good man in Westeros. Look, I won't spoil who he is, but I guarantee in season seven, he's going to burn to death in his brand new library. It's Sam. Sam is going to die because he's a good guy

and he's just, he's got a family now right and he's they're like here's the library with all the this is everything

you've ever wanted everything you've ever wanted and they'll probably await a defeat every you know the bad guys and blah he's gonna burn to death

in that he's gonna the white walkers are gonna show up and I don't know where it is on the map so I don't know how I reckon white walkers. Right, exactly. So I don't know how...

I reckon White Walkers are going to show up. They'll be like, well, yes... But he went across the water, though, to get there. Yeah, that's true. Anyway, whatever, go on. And then some... His dad's going to turn up and be like, where's me bloody sword? Yeah, oh, that's actually a good point, too.

Yeah. And then, I'll burn you to death. He's dying in that library. Mark my words. Did you notice how the kind of the roof stuff... ...is the Game of Thrones intro? Oh, okay, right. I get it. Yeah, yeah. I of Thrones intro. Oh, okay. I get it.

Yeah, yeah. I like that guy. He's good. Somebody said to me... You know what that means? What? He's dead. Yeah, he's dead.

Someone said to me that he's the George R.R. Martin of this universe because he's involved but he's not really. He sees a lot of what's going on but he's not an action man. He's just kind of a storyteller

and a and a you know a man with words and what not okay a nerd so yeah so he's George RR Martin's

point of view character yeah okay I don't know whether that's actually true okay right but yeah I thought that was interesting like a learned fellow

yeah what happened where were we what did I say oh Hodor we were talking about Hodor yeah so Hodor that was a massive thing so that was a big payoff hmm the hold the door Like a learned fellow. Yeah. What happened? Where were we? What did I say? We were talking about a hoedore. Yeah, so a hoedore.

That was a massive thing. So that was a big payoff. The hold the door. How are they going to do that in countries where people don't speak English? They would have had to give him another name that was like whatever door is. Yeah. Whatever, yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. That's a really good question. If you're from another, if you get this in another country. Oh, that's a good question, yeah. And it's dubbed. A, can you understand what we're saying yeah well if it's subtitled because we're the only nation that don't have accents that's true if everyone i know talks like this if it's subtitled though i'd imagine you just replace the word and that would that would work a little bit better maybe wouldn't it i guess it would work in any language that is vaguely English-like. Any of the romantic languages.

English, American, some parts of Europe where they speak English. Yeah. I feel bad. Like, everybody in Europe speaks, like, eight languages, and in here we're just like, just one, fuck it, whatever. Half one, really. Yeah, that's right. Okay, so if we're talking about Bran,

my feeling is if they're only going to do like another season and a half I guess it's fine yeah but I kind of feel like in this season all the big reveals it was just Bran going I had a vision it was this

I wouldn't say all the big reveals but yeah all the big reveals all the big reveals okay so the door yep the Jon Snow lineage Jon Snow lineage

Ned Stark is a dirty rotten cheap fighter yep the white walkers were created by the children oh yeah that was interesting yeah i feel anytime they're like he's exposition boy okay yeah well here's the thing like maybe because this because i know this season is off book yeah like that it's being written i guess by hollywood writers with the collaboration of george r

but he didn't fully corrupt he was more story ideas a lot of time he'd write an episode or have script input. This one he's like, I got to finish my book because I'm under the pub here. So he stepped back for this one. So I kind of, knowing that this is the most Hollywood of the seasons, a lot of the stuff I'm like, that's a pretty Hollywood thing to do. Sure. Like if I hadn't known that, maybe I wouldn't even think about it.

Yeah. Maybe you're right. But I'm like, this is a real exposition device sure kind of thing like anytime anytime they're going to be like well we need to we need some character to realize that this i'll just have brand have a vision but i think a lot of that is it's been building to it yeah yeah i mean and and a lot of what's going to play out now it's it's it there's there's so much fan theory and speculation that somebody's going to guess it. Because it drops enough hints that you're going to get it.

Somebody will guess the ending to this, if they haven't already. Yeah, true. Because it's like either Jon Snow's on the throne or Daenerys or even Jaime or whatever. Someone will guess it. How will Jaime be on the throne? Stab someone. I guess if he's literally the only person left alive, then I guess he could take it. Yeah, absolutely.

Everyone in Dorne is dead, all the leaders. Oh, yeah, good point. So last season, that was a big drag. Yeah, that whole storyline was a drag. Again, I think we mentioned this last season. I'm like, oh, this is like an Arabian Nights kind of. It's going to be a cool Middle Eastern sexy snake charmer kind of situation but it was just like a courtyard yeah it was a real real dull I thought because I'm

like oh this is this is going to be a new culture in this world yeah well it is in the book it's a massive massive part of it and this I'm just like but they had to do it because it looks as if all the Dornish are now warring against the Lannisters. Yeah. They've all consolidated their forces. Like they're with the Targaryen or what's left of the Targaryens. And they're coming back. Yeah. To bloody crack heads, mate. Yeah.

So that was nice to kind of start to wrap that up. That's true. Yeah. Do you feel like there was any loose end? Nah. Because they killed everybody. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

I mean, the loose end was that there wasn't, they didn't get revenge. Oh, they did because they killed everybody yeah that's true yeah I mean the loose end was that there wasn't they didn't get revenge oh they did cause they killed Marcella they killed yeah the daughter

but they're still coming back yeah like they've they've got a lot of revenge I mean revenge is a dish best served

you get heaps of revenge you know what I mean just a big old heaping yeah revenge is a dish best served in a big small sport of revenge and just just pile it in, mate.

Or you could eat, mate. Or you could eat revenge. The sizzler of getting revenge. That's right. So Daenerys... How much revenge do you want? I'm just going to put my bowl under the ice cream dispenser machine, the soft serve of revenge.

Just get all the revenge. Put some sprinkles on that revenge. Please. I'm all full from revenge and a bit of regret. Yeah. Daenerys gets all her power back by killing the Karls, which is pretty good. Now, in the books as well, my understanding,

she's not fireproof all the time. Okay. She's sometimes fireproof. And even in the last season when she rode drogon it looked like she burnt her hands that's true yeah but in this she burns the whole thing down and just walks out yeah that was really her by the way okay so do you think oh not who killing people but the nudity yeah because i don't think it was in her contract anymore oh she was just like this is important for my art but okay so do you think that she is only

invulnerable to fire when she's in like a certain mindset oh that's very possible or do you think it's just they're like the writers just went just make her fireproof

yeah well there's a lot of things where it's just there's a lot of characters that are like three or four put into one and just kind of like let's just simplify this

if we just say she's just fireproof it's easier than going sometimes she's fireproof that's true, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Because then the rules are... And then the nitpicking starts.

Exactly. Because they'd be like, well, they said she's fireproof when she's confident about blah, blah, but she wasn't here, but she's still fireproof, so what's happening? That's a really good point. Why isn't she fireproof sometimes? Just make her fireproof. Just make her bloody fireproof all the time.

Maybe just say that as her... You could just say as the dragons get more powerful she gets more powerful so now she's completely fine. She's got a mind link it appears. A mind link.

It's good that she's kind of wrangled those dragons. Yeah. Because initially like she kind of initially they were quite close to her then they teenaged up and they're off like

burning kids and eating goats which I don't like and then they're kind of they've come right around like they've grown into adulthood especially the big one because of Uncle Tyrion

he's he's let him what do you think of the theory that he might be a Targaryen we talked about it last year there's a few things he's blonde I mean all the Lannisters are blonde

yeah he's good with dragons which is great yeah but maybe they didn't see him as a threat you know what I mean because they're quite intelligent dragons apparently,

like more so than most animals. Some say more than people but probably not. You'll build a hut, mate. Yeah, right. But his father... Build a sizzler. But his father... His father...

We don't have... Side note, we don't have any sizzlers in Victoria anymore. It's very disconcerting. None at all. I thought we had one. They're all gone. You think of all you can eat pizza huts, there's still a few of those. There's a few smorgies, isn't there?

No, I don't think there's any smorgies. I got rid of the smorgies. Smorgies are all gone as well. That's a shame. Yeah. If there were going to be an official all you can eat restaurant off Game of Thrones, it would be smorgies because they have that volcano. They got the volcano, yeah.

Where am I going to eat garbage food now, Mason? All my favorite garbage food places. Well, I can't because that's where I was just earlier tonight. That's true. You had a big helping of cat food or whatever you were. Yeah. What were we talking about? I've lost my train of thought again.

I don't know, man. That lamb shank leg you had looked a lot like a dog's leg. That's obviously. Okay, what were we going to do? Oh, yeah. Look, the theory that I'm most in favour of is not that they're all Targaryens. It's that Jon Snow, Tyrion, and Daenerys get a dragon each. Yes.

And they are... But Tyrion gets a dragon maybe because his mother... His father always hated him. Right. And it was thought maybe it was because he's not seen as a proper Lannister because of his height. Or maybe it's because... Well, he killed his proper Lannister because of his height or maybe it's because, well, he killed his mother at birth actually, not intentionally. So maybe it's that.

He's a big head. But maybe it's that. Even as, what's his name, dies, his father dies, said you're no son of mine. That's true. But who knows. No, I think it's more that they are, it's those three. They're the prince that will return. Right.

What is it? Ride the that will return. Right. What is it? Ride the world or something. Right. But I think they are collectively that prince. Yeah. But it's not because they're all related. It's just a coincidence. Okay.

Some of them are related. Yeah. The fact that two of them are related is a coincidence. Right, right. I just think it's they're the three least worst people in the world. Yes. I was going to say Jamie sometimes, but he pushed that kid out that window. And all that incest.

All the incest. And he threatened to catapult that guy's baby. Yeah. The blackfish kind of went out in an unsatisfying way off camera. Oh, yeah. He was like, I haven't been in a fight in a while. See you later. Get on the boat, idiot.

Too much pride. Swallow your pride. Idiot. Anyway. So, what do we got here? get on the boat idiot too much pride swallow your pride idiot anyway so what do we got here let's talk about Ramsay Bolton

good now do you think that like he's just is he developed as a character or is he just like he's just someone

that you hate just a bad boy oh that's a good question yeah hmm like people are like he doesn't really have an arc or anything interesting but interesting about him other than every few episodes they make him do something terrible so you don't forget that that's true but i mean you could say that about you could

also say that about cersei lannister but i'd say she does have humanity like at least she loves her kids yeah no but i mean more in the sense of like like the character apparently the lena heady's character note for cersei is she's a fifth she has a 15 she's a 15 year old girl in the mind of this woman right so like just a real bitch yeah so she pretends to be you know regal and and you know you know senatorial or what have you yeah but as soon as anybody does anything across her because she has the power to kill them she'll just do it right and i feel like a 15 year old girl exactly that's right kill you with bloody cyber bullying um but maybe ramsey bolton has that character note as well right oh he this is his your cersei lannister yeah like this yeah exactly that's his girl cersei but like maybe he has a character note that he goes by but I've just never right

you know maybe it's like well he you know he has to be cruel to demonstrate his power and sure because of some past of you know what have you but I yeah I thought his cruelty would be his undoing yeah but it kind of served him really well until the end like he just eaten those dogs yeah but no but no he just got unlucky that he shouldn't have lost that battle. Yeah, that's true. Like that was just his poor timing on his part. Right, yeah. Do you know what I mean?

Well, that was one of the biggest episodes of the season, episode nine, which is traditionally... The big one. The big one. But I would say 10 for scope and scale and things that happened. Yeah, that's true.

Okay, you're right. Was also up there. See, that's what we were talking about earlier when I'm like, okay, you could have chopped some stuff out. Sure, yeah. Like traditionally nine and 10 are the big ones. Well, that's true. Okay, you're right. Was also up there. See, that's what we were talking about earlier when I'm like, okay, you could have chopped some stuff out. Sure, yeah. Like, traditionally, nine and ten are the big ones.

Well, ten's more kind of like, these are where all the characters are. See you next year. Ten's the mop-up. Yeah. Somebody mopping up all the blood. Yeah, and they don't do that anymore. Yeah. Thank God.

But, like, and I guess that is kind of the formula where we've got, you know, everything's built into the last couple. Sure. So, I felt like eight, episode eight, you could have just turfed that completely. Yeah, eight was balls. Eight had Arya Stark and she's like, um... Oh, yeah, there was that Terminator 2 moment where she ran from the...

That's right, from the waif. Yeah. See, that was a big point that people hated in this series. Yeah. That whole story arc was kind of broken by the fact that she was stabbed in the gut. Yes. Takes a tumble and series. Yeah. That whole story arc was kind of broken by the fact that she was stabbed in the gut. Yes. Takes a tumble and escapes.

Yeah. And then just kind of, she wasn't even lying low. She was just like, I'm going to leave town. Here's my gold. Yeah, she was stabbed a lot. Like she's just walking around in the street. Yeah. And then she was.

Like that was a multiple stabbing. Yeah. And then she had like maybe a week's rest. Maybe. Yeah, right. And then there's this parkour kind of moment across the city. Yeah. Which I actually didn't mind.

I thought the way that she dealt with her was interesting because all her training, the waif had inadvertently trained her to fight in the dark. So my feel, yeah, that's true. So that was kind of fun. But I mean, ultimately you could, see that's the thing like she, that, thus far I don't feel she has like she doesn't

have a place in the big in the final really like yeah she's got a list though of all the people yeah that's true so you didn't think her popping up in the last episode and slitting bloody uh no i mean more harry potter's mate well that's true but i mean more in the sense of like like if we're talking to the end final season of final episodes of season 7 or whatever there's going to be a lot of dragons and a lot of explosions

what's she going to what's she just slit in throats I don't know if she'll make it all the way okay yeah I think she might I think she's a character

that could it's not going to get the throne so why does she need to necessarily live yeah okay yeah and she's pretty vindictive

in that that's true because she's got a list she wants to kill the hound which she thinks she did yeah she need to necessarily live? Yeah, okay. Yeah. And she's pretty vindictive in that. That's true. Because she's got a list. She wants to kill the Hound, which she thinks she did. Yeah. She wants to kill the Mountain, which, well, that would be interesting. And it's, just cross it off. He's dead.

He's dead on the inside. Yeah. Well, and one of the big things that was kind of stomped on this season, people wanted Clegane Bol, the Mountain versus the brothers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the way it was leading there was trial by combat and the hound would be the church's combatant because he's a man of the faith now or whatever.

Yeah. Well, until he axed all those people. But that was, I felt from pretty early on when we saw him, that wasn't going to happen. Yeah, okay. Just for him to get to the city and then to convince him to do it yeah i mean he hates his brother but we all hate our brothers don't we in a way in a way we do i mean i hate your brother one of them so yeah i i feel his pain in a way uh

yeah but i don't i guess technically like aya could because she's got some i don't know can the because the faceless men aren't magic, right? No, it's elements of magic and practical effects. Oh yeah. See, right. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah.

So I don't know. Does that extend to like survival and being stab proof to some degree? It depends on, I think that the waif's undoing was that she went in viciously when he, when he said, just do it quick. Yeah. Okay. You know, don't cause he, he, even though they're not supposed to have fondness for anybody, he did have fondness for her. And I think that was her undoing.

Maybe that was more kind of an inflict pain stab. Yeah, okay. Because she could have just straightened her throat. Slit her throat, yeah. I mean, it's still bullshit. Yeah. Because people have died from less in this show. Yeah.

Karl Drogo got that scratch on his arm and dropped dead in season one. Oh, yeah, okay. That's how he died i recall him being killed wasn't he killed with molten gold no that was daenerys's brother all right okay no that was her husband remember yeah the carl guy he pulled the gold oh yeah it was too okay yeah see that's i have to keep long time long time ago oh so many years yeah aquaman yeah great aquaman great stuff uh yeah that battle though what did you think would you think it was as good as anything you'd see cinematically? Was it better than the battle in Dracula Untold?

Yes. Was it better than the... I feel like it was good. Was it better than the battle in the end of season five? I really enjoyed that battle. Because a lot of people are torn. People are like, the Battle of the Bastards is the best episode that's ever been i disagree i disagree also yeah but i feel uh i like will you rise with the sun to help change mental health care forever join the sunrise challenge to

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Yeah, perfect. I felt there was kind of a bit of Braveheart. There's a few kind of things that I saw in that battle. I've seen that in this movie or that movie. But yeah, that was, there was a bloody, the same guy directed the last two episodes, which I thought were easily the best of the season

and I don't know if he's doing one next season I think he's he might be tied up but that guy should just do more episodes as many as he can because he even does

the subtle stuff as well like he can do the grandiose battle did you think Jon Snow was a dead man or were you like ah you'll get out of this one

no you can't kill him in a show like this you can but I didn't think you would yeah no you can't kill him at the end of two seasons you can't kill him. In a show like this you can but I didn't think you would. Yeah, no, you can't kill him at the end of two seasons. You can't kill him twice at the end of both seasons. It doesn't...

It'd be a pretty good sweet mystery. Oh, what if they just killed him? What if he became the Kenny of Game of Thrones and just killed him at the end of every season? Yeah, yeah. He's got...

And this isn't the kind of series where destiny counts for shit. That's true, yeah. But he's got a lot of destiny on him. We feel like there's stuff he probably has to do. Yeah. I mean, he might go out towards the end, but he's got some stuff to kind of deal with.

Wasn't he like, if I die again, don't resurrect me. And she was like, too bad. Also, who knows if it would work again. Honestly. Don't throw it. Don't put that on me. No. Do I have to burn another girl

I don't know that was a great scene I already cut your beard how else am I gonna there's no more beard to cut mate that's how I bring you back to life

he's Samson in reverse he is he is that was actually a great scene where Davos Davros Davros

from Doctor Who yes no he confronts Melisandre Dre his name's hard to say. And he just loses it. I thought that was a really, really powerful scene.

You'd be surprised that Jon Snow didn't kill her or he was probably like, I might need her at some point if I die. Yeah, and also again, he did bring her back to life. Yeah, so you can't really do that. I know. If somebody brought me back to life,

I don't know. Again, for at least a year. Even if they killed a little girl? Yeah. Okay. It's fine, it's fine. But getting back to that battle, that really annoyed me,

the way that Jon Snow walked straight into that. Right, yeah, okay. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, he's a bit fuzzy, because he's come back from the dead. He's had a few weeks. Just arrows are just flying, and he's like, I was dead he's had a he's had just arrows are just flying and he's like i was dead leave me alone but he was warned at the start by his sister don't run into this like

you think you're going to trap him but he's he's all this guy does is be cruel yeah and manipulate people yeah like and it's just like and then he just sort of ran in and everybody was like oh how carefully laid plan. Yeah. We're all stuffed now. Now we have to run in. Yeah. Like how many people unnecessarily died?

But like what was he going to do? Yeah, right. Like because Ramsay Bolton wouldn't fight him one-on-one. No. He only did it when he had to. Yeah. You know, like he already challenged him and he was like, no, because I'll probably die.

That's the... That's the stark way. It's the perils of honour. Yeah, exactly. That's the... That's the stark way. It's the perils of honor. Yeah, exactly. And that's this bloody series in a nutshell. The bloody perils of honor. Even Jaime, who killed the Mad King. People were like, you dickhead, you killed the King.

But come on. Yeah. The King bloody deserved it. That was actually interesting. We saw the flashback of the Mad King and Jaime stabbing him. Okay. And there might have also been some future stuff in that thing of the wildfire yeah but it also may have been when they when they put it there because the mad king had obviously laid it all under the the city because he's a bloody he's a lunatic that's right anyway

what they're saying so that yeah that battle i thought was really like even though i was pretty sure john snow wasn't gonna die yep very harrowing. Also, 1-1, maybe bring some weapons. Yeah, right? Maybe come in with something. Uh-huh. Like this wielding a tree. Yes. But he's just in the middle of that circle, just kind of swinging his arms.

Yeah. Come on, dude. Look, that's the way a giant goes, right? Poorly. Poorly. You're either Empire Strikes Back at that style. Like they'll rope your legs and bring you down. Yeah, yeah.

Or, I don't know, Shot in the Eye. Shot in the Eye, I guess. Shot in the Eye is a good one. Yeah, that's a good way to go out. Yeah, but so that battle ended in the airy runt comes in with Littlefinger. That's right. Whose intentions have been made clear. He wants to be the king.

Yep. He'd probably be a pretty shit king. Yeah. Did he ever... he wants to be the king yep he'd probably be a pretty shit king yeah did he have a did he make that many appearances this season no I feel he was kind of like

I think he turned up like episode 3 yeah and he's the one they say has like a magic teleportation device because he's just anywhere like he could just be anywhere at any time

right okay right so but yeah that's the thing the timeline of this show is not like things that are happening overseas aren't necessarily happening. They're not all happening concurrently.

Now, is that deliberate? Is that? I think it's just a, this is how we have to tell this story. Okay, so it's not a case of, has there ever been a case, and I can't recall, has there ever been a case of

you think something's happening now, but it's actually happened? Oh, no, I don't think so. Maybe not intentionally. No. I couldn't say that for fact. Do you think they might ever use that as a device? That's not a bad idea.

Or would it just irritate people? Because if you haven't used it for six seasons, you throw it in season seven. Are you talking about the old Ocean's Twelve? The Ocean's Twelve, the man from Uncle. Right, right. A bit of the old. Things already happened.

A bit of a time shift that's already happened. Yeah, exactly. It could definitely happen. So, Ramsay Bolton has the Jon Snow confrontation. things already happened it's already happened yeah exactly it could definitely it could definitely happen but so Ramsay Bolton has the Jon Snow confrontation do you think that was

a satisfying conclusion to the Bolton story the battle of the bastards I feel that there's most again him being eaten by his dogs that was the most

satisfying very satisfying yeah yeah it was pretty good wasn't it yeah he said his dogs wouldn't eat him

but I mean I did appreciate yeah that's true I did appreciate that Jon Snow did leave like he didn't kill yes yeah because he was like

Sansa this is yeah this is your bust this is your collar Sansa here you go I remember seeing a behind the scenes thing where they were like when Jon Snow's hitting him

like we wanted to go for that like where it was too long where the audience didn't enjoy it anymore but I feel like I enjoyed that all the way through yeah i was okay i could have miscalculated that guy for like four hours oh yeah somebody might make you know the youtube video oh somebody has 10 hours i think it was um what's his name he's really good uh aussie man reviews he does some great game of thrones recaps yep he's got it with a very australian kind of spin like it's john owen davos spin. Like it's John Owen Davos.

Oh, yeah, good. He's really good. You should check it out. Tell them we sent you. Yeah. Or don't. No, don't. Live your life.

Okay, we should probably start wrapping this up. Okay. Let's talk about the last episode. Okay. We haven't talked about the High Sparrow stuff much at all. Yeah. So the whole season was this fanatic. Yes.

Who, if there's one thing i can't stand it's fanaticism and i'm not even talking about religiously i'm talking anything yeah like somebody who's so blind and pious yeah it annoys me like i hate anybody who's like extreme religious forcing down your throat as much as i hate an atheist doing the same and i love marvel comics and movies that's right but you know what? Like, there's nothing worse than somebody just screaming their opinion at you or forcing on you. Believe what you want, man. I don't care, but shut up.

Yeah. We know a guy, and this is off topic, his name's Ross, and he was extremely religious. Oh, yeah, okay. Which is fine, but he'd always bang on about it, and then he switched and became extremely atheist, and then he'd always bang on about that. It's like, why do I have to listen to whatever stupid fucking ultimately his religion is banging on about exactly yeah that's what i'm saying anyway not the point yeah so were you satisfied to see the high sparrow go up in a yeah who did we get rid of we got rid of marjorie most of the lannisters

jonathan price went on jonathan Pryce Kevin Lannister yep Margaery's father just a congregation yep collateral damage Tommen jumped off

jumped off the building wow there you go yeah yeah good so that was kind of a real also I kind of forgot Wildfire existed up until that

yeah well it's been I want to say season 2 was the last time we kind of saw it uh-huh but they really so you didn't really because they mentioned it a few times tyrian says it in that previous episode it's like there's wildfire under the red cape oh i know at that point i was like oh you're like i wasn't taking that far by surprise what i really enjoyed about the explosion aside from a great special effect yep was the guy who gets smushed by the bell. He just gets smeared as he's running.

Just a random... He's probably got a shop that makes shoes. Right, right. He's probably there typing. He's giving his 10% to the Sparrow Hut. That's right. And he just gets smeared by the bell. I'd watch that show.

So that was horrifying and satisfying. Because Cersei Lannister's not... You've got to weigh up who you hate more. Well, see, that's the thing. Because I think I did this last... At the close of season five, we were like, who's the worst person in Westeros? It's Ramsay Bolton.

Now he's dead. Who's the worst person in Westeros? I Ramsay Bolton now he's dead who's the worst person in Westeros I guess it's Cersei but also the big part of the book is also what's his name

Iron Island's guy the new king apparently he's a shit bloke so he'll probably side with the Lannisters because it looks to be some of the Iron Irons and others

we're going to talk about season 7 speculation definitely we can I think we've got is there anything else from the last episode we've got Jon Snow's parentage Cersei killed everybody

the mountain torches a nun yeah little finger we're talking about that yeah he's like Jon Snow Jon Snow king of the north

okay so Jon Snow is now he's Daenerys' nephew yes okay cool yeah because her her brother and

Ned's sister so he's a stark and a taggeran yes okay fire and ice if you will nice because people are still speculating it's a song of fire and ice but who is it is it all john snow or is the fire daenerys and the snow him or is it is it like um is the ice represent the white walkers and fire the dragons or is sam gonna be burned to death in his in his library and then it snows on him and his corpse is frozen? Is that what it means? Yes, it is.

So many things it could be. Well, he, what was I going to say? There's a vision of the future that Daenerys gets in season two, or it might be a vision of the future, where you see the throne room and it's either ash or snow and it's like it's wrecked. Oh, it's open. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, is she the only one left and and then you know who knows like is it ashes that snow how did that end up that way but there's going to be some is that what she wants does she want to just she don't she wants to bit to rule yeah but properly yeah okay i really like the tyrian gets his hand of the king but yeah you know what i mean he got his moment because last time we're just kind of like you can be hand of the king but it's only because there's nobody else that i really would rather do it and then they took also you're kind of a slave yeah exactly and they and they uh yeah they took it from him as soon as kind of that earliest convenience because

he saved king's landing in season two from yeah what's his name oh we didn't talk about um the dragons killing all the slavers oh that's pretty good. What do you think of the dragon effects this year? I like them. They're good. They're getting good, aren't they? I never minded them. A friend of mine, Jonathan, he works for Elura, which is the company that does the dragon effects. Really?

Yeah. Does he have any secrets? I don't think so. But his name's in the credits. Jono Sumner. Wait, he works from here? No, he's in America now. Good for him. Yeah. How do you know him? Comedy. Comedy. Yeah. Is he a here? No, he's in America now. Good for him.

How do you know him? Comedy. Comedy. Is he a comedy? No. Good story though, right? That's a great story that I'm going to tell at your funeral. Anyway, the dragons look great now.

Yeah. They look really good. And they got that fleet back, didn't they? Yeah. Speculation. But again, I feel there was a little bit of filler there in the sense that Nerys is like, I'm going to kill everybody. And Tyrion's like, no, I'm just going to monologue at you for a while.

Like a couple of episodes. No, I thought that was interesting because it distinguishes her from her father. Who would just. Who would murder everybody. Yeah, I guess that's true. Because there is that kind of theory that is she going to go bad? Right. And she's got that kind of.

Yeah, okay. She's a bit of a loose unit. That's true, yes. If you push her. Yeah. Which I appreciate. Yeah. All right, speculation. If you push her. Yeah. Which I appreciate. Yeah. All right, speculation.

You can start. All right. So my question is, who's going to ally with who? Like, because I... Do you think... If we're going to go... Let's say we're going to go all the way to the end of season seven and the movie or whatever.

Sure. The final battle, who's it going to be? Like, is it going to be a two-way to be is it going to be a two way battle is it going to be a three way battle if they were to do it neatly which I don't think

they necessarily will I'd say next season is getting rid of Cersei yeah so it's Daenerys it's Daenerys and she's got she's got the Greyjoys

some of the Greyjoys the Unsullied the Unsullied and the Dothraki yep versus Cersei the Lannister force is the biggest army Greyjoys. The Unsullied. The Unsullied. And the Dothraki. Yep. Versus Cersei. The Lannister force is the biggest army.

Yes. And they've also got some of the Freys, but they're kind of shit. Yeah. But I still feel that it's not a fair fight. Not with dragons, no. No, not at all. No. Well, it also depends. If they turn up and she's like, I will explode the city if you invade.

Oh, good point. Okay, that's okay. I didn't even factor in like a standoff. Like a citywide hostage situation. A 10-episode standoff. Okay, because I guess it's Jon Snow's forces versus the White Walkers. Yes. So do you think it's a case of we close off a couple of these

and then it's whoever's left? I don't know this. I think it might be next season's all Cersei, get rid of her. Final season is the White Walkers versus everybody who's left. Yeah, okay. But then again, maybe it's going to end with... Maybe it ends with who gets the throne or whatever. Yeah, because I feel like the more dangerous threat is the White Walkers.

Right. But they don't have enough of a personality for it to be a dramatic ending. Yeah. Like if they defeat Cersei and then she's dead and blah, blah, blah, and then they fighters it's just like well I guess there's peace now yeah if they somehow defeat the White Walkers and then it's Daenerys and Jon Snow and Tyrion versus Cersei that's a more yeah that's that's a more dramatic people are ultimately more interesting yeah right and ice monsters the Night King isn't well he doesn't talk intentionally yeah right they they made that that way on purpose as soon as he's like, rally the forces!

Speculation. He's got the voice of Gilbert Gottfried. Well, apparently they have the voice like ice cracking. Like Gilbert Gottfried. Exactly. Yeah. Is there anything in particular you want to see? I want to see...

More dragons. More dragons. I guess it's kind of too late for more magic unless somebody's, unless there's, unless there's a hidden, you're not going to see someone shoot a lightning bolt out. Exactly. Unless there's a hidden cult of war wizards or something like that.

We're not getting into that. So that's out. I like narrative wise. I want to see Tyrion and Cersei meet again. Yeah. In like three years or something like that. And they did not part amicably, so that would be... I'm very much looking forward to seeing

how Jaime reacts to Cersei privately because his whole life, as I mentioned before, has been ruined by him just killing a king to stop the king from murdering everybody. Like, he did the right thing. Yes, that's true. His name is tarnished and now his sister has done the very thing

that he ruined his life for to protect. That's actually actually very true yeah yeah so i don't think he's going to be happy also she's now her humanity stemmed from her having children like that was the only thing keeping her from doing anything truly horrendous yeah yeah but now all bets are off like she can she can just again she's just like i kill people because i like doing it i killed all these people because i felt like it yeah i i do whatever i want and, she's just like, I kill people because I like doing it. I kill all these people because I felt like it. Yeah. I do whatever I want. And now she's got, now she's the queen.

She's got the whole lot. Yeah. See, that's the thing. What I'm looking forward to, I think, is the circle getting smaller. Yeah. Because we're running out of characters, certainly. Right, right. And it's just like, okay, well, and we're going to have Jon and Daenerys meet?

Potentially. Potentially. Oh, and they will, probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And someone's going to have to tell Jon that they're? Potentially. Potentially. I mean, they will probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And someone's going to have to tell John that they're related, like presumably Bran. Right, yeah. He's like, I mean, it's true.

Benjen took the last horse. Yeah. Remember that? Yeah. He just left him. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, look, again, I'm looking forward. Like this, it does feel a lot like, again,

it did feel to me like there was some filler in this, but it did feel like we're finally getting to the really pointy end of like okay everybody who's been at all the corners of the world yeah finally it's all converging reaching to this and coming in yeah in terms of like it doesn't it doesn't feel like they've gone okay what do we you know it doesn't feel like that we've done five or six seasons of everybody's having adventures and we just kind of have to smack them in together at the end. Yeah, yeah. It really, like as you get to this point, you really feel like. It's building.

It's building and they've gone, oh, okay, I see everything's been building up to here. Everything's finally coalescing in this one. Every kind of death, every army or house that got wiped out is all pointing towards this direction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is, again, why somebody will guess the ending and maybe something we aren't satisfied

because there are theories and speculations about everything. Do you know these people who go on the internet and try to guess what happens in a movie by looking at the trailer? Do you know these people who do that? Oh, crazy. Jerks. Yeah.

I say. Thought he'd look at the trailer and just endlessly talk about it and say they could say how it ends just by looking at the trailer. That's right. I think we got everything's right i think we got everything here i think we did yeah uh well there's obviously other stuff but you know that's

kind of this kind of stuff yeah looking forward to samwell being burned to death is this something that you're going to follow week to week now yeah maybe it's honestly it's a having done this two years in a row i think it would be a lot easier to do it week to week. Yeah, absolutely. But I envy anybody who would have these 10 episodes and then could watch them at their leisure. Also, if anybody who is into some sort of content, like if anybody from iTunes is listening,

if you could maybe put the episodes on iTunes. Oh, that would be great. Yeah, if you could do that. You on itunes oh that would be great yeah if you could fucking idiots because i don't really in australia your options are pay money for foxtel yeah and get the rest of their garbage we'll steal it off the internet yeah so and you paid for that foxtel didn't you yeah i did through my study uh through gritted teeth from what i've heard as well like when you stream it it's broken like the app is shit as well right like for yeah um we don't have the broadband for that yeah right yeah exactly um i guess i'm i'm looking forward to the white walkers marching on sure because that wall's got to come down right well yeah because

it's got magic to protect the white walkers crossing so apparently there's some kind of horn or weapon that can bring it down oh so that's is that only in the books yes that would be weird to kind of bring it up bring it up now yeah there's a magic horn bring it down the wall that wall will come down is it possible sam sam finds something in those books like is that too is that too kind of fantasy kind of, is it too fantasy cliche that he finds something in the book that accidentally undoes the magic on the wall? That would be like Evil Dead or something. Yeah, right, exactly, yeah.

I mean, it could be that he finds something, he goes, well, this is the weapon to bring down, and then he goes to get it. And from there, somebody takes it from him. So inadvertently he sets it off sure you're trying to stop it if that's what it is which it may or may not be yeah probably not is that all mason i think that's all best season ever oh i don't mean like definitively i mean did you enjoy yeah it was good yeah i enjoyed it? Yeah, it was good. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I thought it was definitely the one that moved the quickest for me

because going off book had kind of allowed that kind of freedom. But in doing so, there were some kind of stuff like the Arya getting stabbed. There were some inconsistencies that maybe you wouldn't necessarily get in the previous seasons. Okay. But I just thought it was much more fast-paced and I had a lot of fun. I liked all the reveals and I look forward to it every week.

And also by the end, I felt satisfied enough where I'm like, okay, I can wait a year for this. Last year I was like, I'm annoyed I have to wait a year. This year I'm like, okay, there was a lot going on there. I'm happy to kind of take a bit of a break.

Yeah, cool. I mean, less than a year would be great, but I mean, obviously I'll just take a year is what it is. So best season ever from you yeah I think so yeah he's done it ladies and gentlemen

he's done it again somehow to me dog dog's still asleep yeah she's real asleep well you know what it is it's time for what's it time for what are we reading

oh what are we gonna read I'm doing the thing what are we reading today? Actually, just quickly. Yes. One thing I just thought of about Game of Thrones. Yes. You know, Margaery, I was interested to see what her plan was to escape.

Yes. Like, because she was kind of like, no, I'm religious, it's fine. When she clearly wasn't. Uh-huh. And I would have liked to have seen what she was, or known what she was planning to do before she exploded. Yeah, that's a good point. She was smart enough to have an idea she was or known what she was planning to do before she exploded yeah like because she she had she was smart enough to have a yeah okay so would you would you want like a like a scene where i don't know she's doesn't explode yeah she doesn't explode she's she's you know

she's putting together some supplies or a letter or i don't know yeah absolutely yeah because we got that hint that she was like yeah okay right but, I got this. But now we'll never know. That's true. And also that I would have liked to have known Jonathan Pryce's character. Did he really believe the things that he said or was that just a position of power for him? Was he like every other ruler where he was just in at four? Like he's like, I don't wear shoes and I love the poor. But was he really just a ruler like anybody else? That's true because you never really get a sense of that behind the scenes kind of thing. Because there's some inconsistencies in his backstory as well. just a ruler like anybody else. That's true, because you never really get a sense of that behind the scenes kind of thing. It was kind of, because he kind of,

there's some inconsistencies in his backstory as well. Like he tells a couple of stories of his origin and they're slightly different. Oh, he's like the Joker. Yeah. So it makes me think that he's probably more full of shit. Well, then I think that's probably a deliberate ambiguity. Like I think you're supposed to, what's the word?

Conjecture. Yeah, conjecture. You're supposed to conjecture. Okay. And boy, have we. Yeah, and look, he's dead. It's good. That's right.

Yeah. But before we get into Batman v Superman, what we thought of that. Oh, right. What one of us thought of that. Yeah. What did you read? I haven't... Well, in between watching a million episodes of Game of Thrones, I didn't have a lot of

time, but I did actually, because they're kind of short, I was re-watching Party Down. Oh, that's great. It's on Stan. I don't know if you know about Stan. Bloody Stan. Yeah, right? You getting some money on the side?

No, but I should be, shouldn't I? Yeah. So anybody who doesn't know Stan, I know him. Anybody who doesn't know Party Down, it was from like 2009, 2010, and it was basically it's this party planning company. were you watching this in between game of thrones to kind of break yeah a little bit yeah but not towards the end because i just ran out of time right uh but it's in this it's sort of like this this party supply party planning company yeah uh but they're super dysfunctional and it's like aspiring and failed uh actors and models and

comedians and writers. And they all kind of do not get along. And it's got Ken Marino from The State and Veronica Mars in it. It's got Adam Scott. It's got Lizzie Kaplan. It's got Jane Lynch is in it, who's great. It's got Martin Starr. It's got Ryan Hansen from The O.C.

He's the surfer guy. Yeah, it's great. And it's real funny. And every week they go to, every episode they go to like a different party and they get sort of embroiled in. What, sometimes they know somebody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they sort of get embroiled in whatever's happening.

You know, the whole party's falling to pieces, you know. Everybody there hates each other, you know. Exactly. It's real good. It's very, very funny. And it's by the guys who did Veronica Mars that there's a lot of Veronica Mars guest stars and stuff like that. It's kind of got that same vibe.

Did the creators of that go on to do something else? Because I know it kind of... The Veronica Mars movie? Maybe. But there was talk of bringing it back, but then a lot of... Oh, that's right. Like Adam Scott then did Parks and Rec. And Jane Lynch was on Glee.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that kind of killed it, I think. Yeah. That's a very funny show. It's a very funny show. Did you like the Jane Lynch replacement? Yeah, it was... What's her name? Stifler Glee. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that kind of killed it, I think. Yeah. That's a very funny show. It's a very funny show. Did you like the Jane Lynch replacement? Yeah, it was... What's her name?

Stifler's Mom. Yeah. And also... It was briefly Stifler's Mom and also... What's the name of Ron Swanson's wife? Yes. I was going to say. Tip of the tongue.

What's her name? What's her bloody name? Megan Mullally. Yeah, she's in bloody Will and Grace. Yeah. Yeah, it's great too. She's got the voice of Gilbert Godfrey

yeah she does great okay I also like that show and recommend it to you thank you so Batman v Superman the ultimate cut

came out this week yes you obviously didn't get a chance to check it out nope three hours of glory is it really what look

okay a lot of people are saying it's a lot of critics have come out and said this is the best version. I know I meant the three hours part, not the glory part.

The three hours part is true. Yeah, okay, right. But a lot of critics have said this is definitively it. They've done it. This has fixed the movie. I do not think that's the case. Right. I think in a lot of ways it helps flesh out the story and it's more coherent, but it's

too long. Oh, absolutely. Like that, that is, if you can't get a story down to like two and a half hours. Do they cut anything out? The thing is, I don't remember the movie well enough to know, like whole scenes, yes, I know what's been cut, but there's like little lines of dialogue or an extra bit of action. Yeah, because in the clip of the Ultimate Edition that I saw,

there's actually a scene where Batman is firing machine guns out of the Batmobile. He hits a truck, the truck explodes, everybody dies in it. By the clip, do you mean the kill count that I sent you? Yeah, that's the clip. Exactly, yeah. I don't remember that specifically happening in the movie. It may have, but it seems like that's an extra bit of murder.

You would have remembered that. Yeah, I remember him machine gunning people in the Batplane. Sure. I remember him flipping the car onto the other car. I remember him hurling that grenade in the Batplane. Sure. I remember him flipping the car onto the other car. Yeah. I remember him hurling that grenade into the room full of human men whose mother's names may or may not have been Martha. Right, right.

That's the thing. So I think the biggest problems with this film haven't been solved. Like they do flesh out Clark Kent because he does some detecting. Okay, that's right, yeah. And he finds out that like the people who are getting branded, he gets specific news that this person who got branded gets stabbed. Right, in prison. I guess I'm spoiling this a little bit.

Yeah. You've seen it, right? Yeah. And so you see more of him, but it's still like a dour Superman. But he does save a few people when the courthouse explodes, which I much appreciate. He still leaves, but it's kind of handled. He leaves and he's like, do not go in there, you guys, do not. But he kind of handles it's kind of he leaves and he's like do not go in there you guys

do not but he kind of handles it before he kind of leaves but the fight I still feel is kind of like why

why does he show up all aggressive you can't see again I don't like the way it goes down it's a movie I really wanted to like

and there's action scenes in it that I did like but that fight does not pay off for me like as soon as as soon as we get to the point, like, the sonic screamers, that's fine. The kryptonite gas is fine.

Yeah. But at the point where he's very slowly reloading the grenade launcher with the second kryptonite grenade and Superman does not do anything. No. There's no more credibility in that fight. Yeah, I can tell you. I hear that.

And henceforth, the rest of the movie. Well, he could have just had the spear at the start and be like i've got this spear yeah he could have had it on his gloves and just choked him to death yeah there's many ways he could have that could have gone yeah totally yeah i just think there are more bulletproof ways to figure out who he was and like put it in his bed wake up dead mate yeah but yeah i think if you liked it if you i said this i did a review of it if you liked it there's more of it that you will enjoy yep but if you really hated it i can't see you being like i can't see but i put my hand up you didn't really hate it did you uh look no elements of the action sequences i did like

yeah the the car chase especially i thought if you if you did if you take away the murder yeah the car chase i thought was really really good yeah because it was the idea of being like batman's got all this high-tech stuff and he's got this car and it's it's indestructible and it's fast and it's powerful and he's got all this amazing stuff and then it gets to the final bit of the chase and it just bounces off Superman. Yeah, that is great. And I'm like, that's great. Yeah.

Because that's like, Batman thinks he's the king of the mountain. He's been doing this for so long and now he's just nothing. Yeah. And I thought that was good that he sort of had to build himself back up again. But as a movie, no, garbage.

Fair enough. See, I still think- But it's just, if you liked it, it's fine, guys. That's right. It's fine, you're wrong, but it're wrong but it's that's the thing like i think structurally and narratively yes and motivations wise it does have problems this fix fixes a little bit of that yep i really hate this lex luther like i was kind of not so when i saw it came out the first time i was like i don't know what that was i don't think but now watching it again it's all wrong right and it's not so much the performance because I'm sure he was told,

do it like this. Yep. I know a lot of people have told me in my review, that's not the real Lex Luthor or whatever because it's Lex Luthor Jr. Right. Well, that's the reason they did it because they're like, people might hate this. So let's say there's two.

He's Alexander Jr. or whatever. But now it's too late because we can't get Bryan Cranston for Lex Luthor Sr. because he's Zordon in Mighty Morphin Power Rangers thanks a lot Saban International you dickheads but I still think like sequences themselves

like the ones you mentioned work I loved the future desert sequence it looks good yeah but again context and all that

is all over the shop that's the thing though even out of context that scene would work because even though Batman is killing people in that scene that's the thing though, like even out of context, that scene would work because even though Batman is killing people in that scene. That's exactly right. It's a future where he's had to compromise his principles and then the idea would be

in an ideal version of this DC cinematic universe, he would contemplate. What would work for me in this movie is if he had a gun on him. Right. Like it was 20 years on and he's just on the verge of starting to just shoot people because it's easier. Yeah. And he can't just put people in jail anymore and see them just come out of jail again. Yeah. And then at the end he's like, I'm not going to do it.

Right, right. So you never have him actually step over the line. No, but you can have him shoot a guy with a flamethrower. With a flamethrower. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, that scene is good because, yeah, it's this desperate time and it looks really good. Yes, that's right.

And it's got hints of it being Apocalypse. Yes. Or Steppenwolf. But you don't see him. No, well, you get the parademons and all that kind of thing. Yeah, that looked really good. Yeah. But also, I feel like, are they really going to build towards that

where Superman's the villain? Because the Flash appears back in time and goes, I've come too far or whatever. But he's like, Lois is the key. You can't let anything happen to Lois or whatever. Find Lois Lane. Yeah. But then in this movie, at least, Bruce Wayne is never put in a situation where he gets to save Lois. That's true.

Yeah. So is that something that's going to happen down the line? Or is that timeline void now because Superman is temporarily dead? In a way, the future isn't written yet. Depending on which Terminator film yet. And also probably a lot of Justice League isn't written yet, even though they're filming it. I'm sure they're doing it on the day.

I'm optimistic. I'm telling you. Suicide Squad looks good. You kind of strike out on this one for a lot of people. But that's not to say that we can't get something good. Yeah. And you know what the other thing is? I think the reason... Suicide Squad out.

August... Talk about this last week. August 4th. That's right. Still too long away. But last... But I think the reason they went... It's not Justice League Part 1 and Part 2.

Yeah. We can't kick Zack Snyder because this is filming in a month. We'll get him to do this one and we'll say it's a standalone Justice League. And if it bottoms out, we'll get rid of him. So I think that was the other thinking behind, I meant to say this last week, behind instead of being part one, part two, just this is just a Justice League movie.

Now it's another Justice League movie, but this one George Miller's going to do or whatever. Nice. Do you want to see Desert Future Justice League with Ultimate Injustice Superman? Yes, because you know I love alternate costumes. Yes, you do. Batman's got his trench coat on.

Yep. Superman wears the same costume. Same outfit, because he's Superman. It's fine. That's how he does it. Probably had another thought. Oh, do they put the communion stuff back in? Yes.

Okay, right. Again, I like that sequence. And there's a lot of stuff where I'm like, why would you even include that? Like there's a bit where... Okay, there's an example. There's a bit where Batman has to defrag his hard drive before he opens up all those superhero files. It's in real time, he's just clicking.

Actually, that's something that gets switched around. He opens the MetaHuman file and goes through them all. And then he sends it to Wonder Woman and Wonder Woman opens her file. So he makes the reveal. I think that's right. What's the other way around? I can't remember.

But they change that. But there's the bits where the cops are like, they get a call and they're like, oh, you got to go check out this house because we think Batman's there or whatever. And the cops are like, oh, all right. And they're eating donuts and they're sitting down and they're watching the game. And then they get up and they're walking around and they're like, pretty they're watching the game. And then they get up and they're walking around and they're like, it's pretty crazy. Like, cut that.

Yeah, right. Like, you just have the cops arrive. Yeah. Like, if you want to, you know. Was this a case of every piece of extra footage we have we're going to throw in? I wouldn't say it's all of it, but a lot of it. Is that a point?

Is that the idea of that? Is that to humanize those guys before Batman beats them up? He doesn't beat them up. He monkeys out of the room. Remember, he looks up and Batman's in the corner like a bat. It's pretty good. Is that Batman hiding just in the light in the corner of a room? That's Pete Holmes as Batman hiding in a sketch.

Right. He's like, I'm not here. Hockey bats. Good stuff. Well, let's do a next segment of the show Let's do another segment I'm ready Maybe it could be

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A take away I know they're here right now We're gonna do letters I'll say the slight lateness of that one wasn't on you because someone's watching Oranges in the New Black streaming in the next room. Oh, well, that's a little one. So that's, you're okay.

Yeah. Oh, INTV. That's a pass. S4. What? Oranges in the New Black. Oh, okay. Oh, I thought you said I in TV.

Anyway. Have you watched that? I've watched the first episode. All right, me too. What do you think? I'll get to it eventually. Yeah, it's all right. I'll have to run out of content eventually. Then I'll go back. All right, me too. What do you think? I'll get to it eventually. Yeah, it's all right. I'll have to run out of content eventually.

Then I'll go back. No, it's fine. A lot of people have said everybody's great in it, but the main character is very unlikable, but she gets less and less screen time as the series progresses. Oh, you haven't watched any of it? No. Oh, I mean I've watched the first episode of this season.

Oh, okay, right. Now I've watched the first episode of this season. Man, we're at different points in our lives, aren't we? How's Ruby Rose as an actor? I don't like Ruby Rose. Yeah. She seems real unpolite. That's what I've heard.

She's always on Twitter being like, I was bullied at school. You're 30 now. Like, just move past it, all right? We all had problems. Okay. This is from Grey Matter Leaks. Yeah. Hiya, Grey Matter Leaks.

She's always like, she'll get like an award and she'll be like, this is to all my bullies at school. Like, what are you doing? Who cares? Who care? Wouldn't they just be like, we did some damage to her, didn't we? Like that she's screaming at us in an award speech 12 years after. Then they all high five because they all still hang out.

I'm sure they do. Watching The Lion King again. The score is amazing. Would you say best animated film ever if not what? no

Transformers the movie that is not the best animated film ever what are you talking about? no it's not yeah it is really give me another option

The Lion King nah Aladin nah Treasure Planet you're forgetting are you like oh because it's got

they've all got great songs and whatever I think you're forgetting that Transformers the movie oh, because they've all got great songs and whatever. I think you're forgetting that Transformers the movie has Widow Yankovic's Dare to Be Stupid in it. It does have. That has a relentless soundtrack. I was just going to say, it doesn't stop. Okay, next time there's a Transformers movie coming out,

I'm not doing a commentary on the Michael Bay one, but I will do a commentary on that. Okay, great. All right? Ready to go. You really think that's the best animated film of all time? No, not really. Okay.

It's just the first one I thought of. Sure. You know what I love? What's that? Road to El Dorado. It's got like, it's a, it's a, it's got like Rafe, not Rafe. What's his name? One of the Fines?

No, it doesn't. It's got the guy who directed bloody Thor. Taika Waititi? No, that's Thor 3. Oh, Kenneth Branagh. Kenneth Branagh and... Oh my God, what is his name? Did you say that...

It was a very click-baity headline. It was like, Taika Waititi says Thor Ragnarok is no different from any other movie or something like that. Oh, did he? Is that what he really said? He didn't actually say... He said that... The implication of the headline was that he was like, who cares, whatever. It's just a movie.

No. But what he actually said was... Kevin Kline. Kevin Kline, okay. Sorry, go on. Yeah. What he actually said was the process of making it isn't any different from another movie. Yeah, because he's made a lot of small budget movies.

And he's just like, it's just a lot of, it's a bigger crew and everybody knows what they're doing and everybody's great. Yeah. But they're like, so this movie's garbage. I like how he's always on Twitter just being like, shut up. Have you seen Hunt for the Wilderpeople yet? No. I've heard nothing.

I watched the other week. I watched... What we do in the shadows? Yeah, which I thought was really funny. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of got sick of those kind of documentary office style kind of TV shows or movies, but that was a really...

That's true. I'm going to literally Google animated movies. Right. And the first one that comes up is my favourite it's called The Road to El Dorado you know what I really enjoy that are underrated the Kung Fu Panda movies

I'm going to say Shrek some of the Shreks are good 4 is better than 3 yeah including computer animated movies yeah I guess not. Oh, okay. I was going to say The Incredibles. I don't, I think those are two separate episodes.

I don't like, um, I don't know. I don't know. Okay, great. You know, I love Iron Giant. Yeah, okay. That's a good one, yeah. Got a real heart to it. Is Vin Diesel the Iron Giant?

He is. Yeah. Oh, um, Akira. Oh, yeah. Akira's good. Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Yeah.

No, I don't like a lot of the classic Disney movies, like Bambi, Snow White. Yeah, I hate them all. I hate any of those. Even as a kid. Were you supposed to like them as a kid? Yeah, I didn't. Because I hated them as a kid,

because it's always just... Again, it's... The old school Disney movies are the Game of Thrones of animated movies, because they're cruel universes. Right. Because it's always... But they've toned down the cruelty from the original stories.

Yeah, now they have. I guess that's true. But I mean, they're just... Everybody's got dead parents and they're just lost in the wilderness or in a city and they don't know where they are and everything's... They're getting rained on

and they've got big ears and everyone hates them. I'll just have some kids go on a fun adventure. That's better. Yeah, but where's the arc? Where's the tension? The bad guy steals some jewels. Oh, yeah. See, Robin Hood I really enjoy.

Did you ever see that classic animated Robin Hood movie? With the fox. He's a fox? I've seen clips of it. I've not seen the whole thing. He's great. There's a turtle plays the... No, the chicken plays the bloody ye olde guitar. I know a lot of people have a thing for like i think animated made merry

i think that movie is responsible for a lot of furries yeah it's ruined a lot of people but there's anything wrong with love what you love what you love it's just don't you know barrel me up at like in a corner and bang on about it love what you love don't give him anybody you know what i really like the lion king you know what? I really like The Lion King. You know, I watched the other day because I'd never seen it. It's the one, it's set in China. It's an animated Disney movie.

Mulan? Mulan, yeah. Never seen it. I watched it the other day. A lot of it's really good, but also like Eddie Murphy's like, I'm a dragon. And they're kind of like,

are you doing a Robin Williams thing here? So a lot of it's really good but i wouldn't say it's it's not up there with like your lion king i genuinely think that the lion king i said this other day is one of the best movies ever made like just in general lion king yes and every time i see it i like it a little bit more do you like the the weird sequels and midquels i've've only seen two and I hated it, but I've heard three is actually quite good. Which one's the Timon and Pumbaa movie?

That's three. That's three and it's the one where... It's set in between. Yeah, right. Apparently it's not bad. I've heard that. Yeah, because I also enjoy the Aladdin sequels, but generally I don't like those sequels.

They're straight to DVD or whatever. To VHS as they were. Any others? Anyway, that's a whole other episode. Anyway, you did one with Tommy Dasolo a few years back we did yeah

we just named a lot of things look a lot of people will be like I'm sure a lot of people will be like hey what about the Miyazaki anime

movies all the I haven't seen the bloody spirited away and so forth they're all great but there's no

there's no giant satellite laser shooting a big tentacle monster man who's got telekinetic powers and that's that's Akira for you in any of them none of them when you think about it isn't it yeah i know right this is from soya john stevens oh wait john stevens from noise works apparently yeah okay

that's what it says here okay great uh hashtag weekly planet pod by the way if you want to contact us that's how you do it your hashtag weekly planet pod on twitter you can add us in it if you want but you don't necessarily have to. Just ask a question. Save the characters. Please, save the characters. Just rewatched Jessica Jones. Do you guys think a person can have super strength without super durability? I am saying no. That's what he's saying.

What are you saying? I think in real life you can. You can be strong, but you can still get shot in the head. That's true. You know what I mean? No, but we're talking super strength. I know, yeah.

I know. Okay. But I'm saying it doesn't matter how much you can bench press. If you take a baseball bat to the head, you probably... No, I'm saying you can have super strength without super durability because it's a comic book universe and normal physics do not apply. I guess he's saying, do you think that would be a good idea to have a character that could have that?

Or do you think it's something you'd want to see in a comic? Is it realistic in a comic world? Oh. Yeah. No no it is well i mean it's not realistic but it's you can have just one on the hits that that would place limitations on your strength if you're not durable no see but that's the thing like real world physics don't apply to comic book characters so you can have a character who can just you know lift a car with one finger right but also you know can cut themselves shaving it's you know but also like but if you're not super durable if you lift a car with one finger your arm would like break no it's not the point no no the physics they're not the same it's not the

same thing but you can't be but hit that would be durability on some level though yeah but nah because the physics don't apply it just doesn't't work. So you're saying yes? I'm saying like... Do whatever? Yeah, I'm just saying yes to whatever. I'm saying it's dumb, but that's comic books. Ta-da! There's a comic where Invincible loses his powers and he gets back his super strength

and he hits somebody and his whole hand explodes. Great. Because he hasn't got his durability back. Did he get his regeneration back? He doesn't have... No, because you can rebuild... How did he grow his hand back? No, you can rebuild a person in that. Oh, put someone's you can stuff someone's intestines back in them and

kind of regrow skin and stuff okay how long does it take a while right alan the main character in it one of the characters in it just got messed up in the last comic it's great how did he get his hand back then it was still there it was just like busted up. Oh, okay. All right. All right. Yeah. Sewing. I get it. Yeah, that makes sense. This is from Paul. Marvel man underscore man. Great.

Hashtag weekly planet pod. Who gave them enough ideas for a full trilogy? And what he refers to is producer Larry Kazanoff, who said in an interview on the Tetris movie, that it's not what you think. This film is not what you think. It'll be a cool surprise. The film will be seen as part of a trilogy, a trilogy of Tetris movies.

He says, the story we conceived is so big that this isn't us splitting the last one into eight movies. What? It's to wring blood out of a stone. It's just a big story. Wow. So you think splitting a Tetris movie isn't wring blood out of a stone. It's just a big story. Wow.

So you think splitting a Tetris movie isn't wringing blood out of a stone, but... Wow. He also says, no one has come remotely close to figuring out what we're doing. Wow. Do you think that's him? So he'll be like, I don't know what we're doing. Yeah. If somebody could just take a punt in the comments section.

All right, here's the only way it could be. Don't do it. Oh, that's right. We can't. That's true. Okay, fine. If you could say it, but copyrights Nick Mason. Actually, no, I'm not going to do it.

You're not going to do it? I'm not going to do it. I'll tell you off air. Please do. All right. Yeah. Can you write that down? So in a few years, when it comes out.

I'll mail it to myself. Yeah. And then I'll open that envelope when it comes out. I'll be like, oh. The likelihood of Larry hearing that is second to none. But you don't want the word getting out there, do you? That's true. I agree.

What are you doing, Larry? You seem supremely confident in this Tetris movie. Yeah, right? Maybe that's the trick. I guess. Maybe you have to buy tickets to all three when you have no choice. And it's just somebody playing Tetris on a Gameboy

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Thrones tell me so let me know I'll forget about it like okay great break what are we doing next week? I'm just looking what's out. Have you seen Me Before You with Emilia Clarke?

No, I hear that's bad. When's Ghostbusters out? I don't think it's next week. Excited for that. Are you really? Yeah. I'd say I'm excited. I'm interested to see how it turns out. You're saying it's a movie you're going to see at some point.

Yeah. Great. I'm interested to see how it turns out. Me too. Beyond that. And that's July 14th. That's not next week we'll figure it out

we'll think of something it's going to be great yeah if you have any suggestions let us know yeah when's Born Out? hopefully never no I'm sure it's good brutal

I'm happy to see him back yeah me too alright that's the show thanks everybody alright grab that gem you guys bye bye