The Weekly Planet - 149 Most Disappointing Movies

Episode Date: August 22, 2016

This week we get stuck into news of a black suited Superman (#MulletForSuperman), a Man Of Steel sequel, Blade Runner 2, Star Wars Ep VIII well into post production, a new MJ Watson plus Guardians Of The Galaxy joining Avengers Infity Wars and more.Plus we talk ours and your most disappointing movies of all time. Thanks for listening!4:14 Batman Return Of The Caped Crusaders7:46 Guardians Of The Galaxy in Avengers Infinity Wars13:32 Star Wars Ep VIII editing underway17:20 Runaways coming to Hulu19:26 The new MJ Watson22:15 Black suit Superman24:19 Man Of Steel 228:37 Jared Leto in Blade Runner 231:27 Most Disappointing films1:35:29 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read1:41:19 Letter It’s Time For LettersAmazon affiliate link: https://amzn.to/2oWDZICPlumbing The Death Star https://soundcloud.com/sanspantsradio/plumbing-the-death-star-how-5Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesMr Sunday Movies YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/lB90W2The Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind our T-Shirts here: https://goo.gl/q6gE9C Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday With me as always is my co-host Nick Mason Are we still the official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com? We talked about this the other week. Maybe. Maybe. It's tough to say, isn't it? Are there unofficial podcasts of ComicBookMovie.com?

I think there's a few others that go up there. Actually, the guy who runs the site emailed me the other day and he's like, oh, hey, this is a thing. So I'm like, oh, he knows I'm still alive. Oh, great. Which is really good. Yeah. He thinks you're his butler, though.

I believe so. Because that was like, hey, can you collect my dry cleaning? That's right. And you're like, oh, okay. All right. He still loves me. No. No.

It's nice to be noticed, though. It's nice to be needed. Isn't it, though? So, yeah. As far as I know. If there's another one, let us know. And you can have it. Yeah.

Or we'll fight you. Yeah, yeah, fight. Depending how many you are or how big you are. Oh, that's true. Yeah. If it's like the Cool Guy Jock podcast, we will not fight you. Yeah, yeah, fight. Depending how many you are or how big you are. Oh, that's true. Yeah. If it's like the Cool Guy Jock podcast, we will not fight you. No, I don't want to do that. We'll cross that bridge when we inevitably come to it, when we have to kill another podcast.

Okay. With our bare hands. How's your week been? Pretty good, man. I mean, it's fine. It's up and down. Weather. You know, how it goes.

Yeah, weather. I got some stuff going on, which I'd love to elaborate on, but it's neither relevant or interesting. You know how it is. Well, that's all I wanted. It was an admission that your life is neither relevant or interesting. That's all I wanted. What about you? No, the same. Good stuff.

Yep. Mason, I know you've just seen this. I was hoping that while you said some things, I could think of a fun personal anecdote, but nothing happened to me this week. Well, that's depressing isn't it though maybe this news will perk you up

that's right so Batman Return of the Caped Crusaders is a new DC animated film and it is a continuation of the Batman 60s TV series and presumably comic which is still going and it was very the trailers come out and it's quite

because this has been on the boil for like a year now apparently this is the first I'd heard about it optimably comic, which is still going. And it was very, the trailers come out and it's quite, because this has been on the boil for like a year now. Apparently, this is the first I'd heard about it. Or maybe I heard about it and forgot, but yeah. What did you think? Because they're like, as if this is going to be anything. Right, right. Yeah. What did you think though?

This is just a robot chicken sketch, never mind. I thought it was kind of fun. Yeah. First of all, I didn't know Burt Ward was still alive. Congratulations, Burt Ward. He's out there. I don't know Burt Ward was still alive. Congratulations, Burt Ward. He's out there. I don't know. What did you think of...

Well, I mean, this is just a trailer for the thing. Yes. What did you think of Adam West's voice acting performance? I thought that was pretty on point. He didn't sound incredibly old as he is. Yes, but I also felt that they were like, really do the parody. Do a parody of yourself doing Batman

because it was very he was kind of it's at 11 yeah yeah kind of yeah Adam West but it was kind of fun and it was kind of

there was a little holy spoiler alert in there it was kind of they updated a little for the modern era I thought that was kind of fun right right yeah

they also mentioned some others who were in it so they said it's the voice of Adam West Burt Ward and Julianne Yuma who was one of the Catwomans one of the Catwomans there was three I want to say again I'm amazed there's some others who are in it. So they said, well, it's the voice of Adam West, Burt Ward and Julianne Yuma. Uh-huh, Catwoman. Who's one of the Catwomans.

One of the Catwomans, yeah. There was three, I want to say. Again, I'm amazed she's still alive. Sure. It's not that long ago, I guess. I'm not amazed, but I thought she had passed away. Okay. So there's a bonus.

One of them probably has. Yes. Yeah. Well, this has perked up my otherwise humdrum existence. Exactly. But that's good. Do you think, because here's the thing, though. There's going to be classic villains in this.

Yeah, well, they mentioned Joker, Riddler, Penguin, Catwoman. See, I was kind of hoping for like a Bane. Yeah, you've been pushing for a Bane, haven't you? Has it happened though in the comics? In the comics it has happened. Okay, sure. He's like a luchador. Right, right.

He's like a Mexican luchador. I'm just going to Google that. Yeah, he looks really good. So I was kind of hoping we'd get, because the Batman 66 comic, which is, again, a continuation of that, of the 66 TV series. Yeah, oh, that's fun. Exactly. Has some updated.

I think there's a, I stopped reading before this, but I think there's a Harley Quinn as well. Okay, sure, yeah. So I was kind of hoping for maybe like a 1960s version of Hush or something like that. Wouldn't that be good? I feel like this is going to be very much in the vein of the 66 movie. Okay.

Yeah. Did you ever see Return to the Batcave or something? It was like where they played themselves. It was made in like the mid-2000s and it was like another adventure where they ran into the old actors and there was a mystery of who stole the Batmobile. Do you ever seen that? I have seen the cover of the video, I think. And that's enough for me hs yeah i remember seeing

bits of it being like oh this is fun yeah presumably that's on youtube now i i don't i don't i don't doubt it but look um i don't feel like dc the the last one didn't um what was it called the killing joke didn't didn't nail it for me i liked a lot of it the first half an hour was kind of because the first half an hour was unrelated. Like, put that as a separate bonus episode on the DVD or whatever. And then have just the killing joke stuff. So it didn't knock it out of the park. So I'm hoping, yeah, this is...

Well, this is an original. Yes. An original tale. Do we know who's writing it or anything like that? No, I'm sure. Just the animation team? Just the animation team. I don't know.

Like, I quite enjoy all their original animated features. I don't love the adaptations, but the new stuff. Like Assault on Arkham and stuff. Yeah, you'd like that one. I think I'm the other way where I like the adaptations more generally. I think Under the Red Hood is my favourite by far. And that's an adaptation of a comic, isn't it? Boy, howdy, isn't it?

Good stuff. Mason, do you love Guardians of the Galaxy? Yes. Do you the Galaxy? Yes. Do you love Avengers? Yes. Do you love them combining? Because Vin Diesel confirmed that they're going to be in Infinity War together. Yeah, we know Vin Diesel.

Shut up, mate. Quit telling us stuff we already know and get back to feuding with The Rock. Or if that was you. If that were me, it was Scottott eastwood i don't know it always says on the set of ff8 and i think final fantasy 8th like vin diesel in a final fantasy movie that sounds no good i want to see his wig his big blonde spiky wig and his big sword i mean it wasn't confirmed right and so but this kind of acts as confirmation for what but i mean if the avengers are going to be in space.

Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? I'm hoping. I want to see Captain America in a little spacesuit, Captain America spacesuit suit. You know what I mean? Do you think he's going to have that? Yeah, I hope so.

Probably not, but I hope so. Yeah, that's a good... I'd not even thought about that. Because Iron Man, it's not a problem for him, obviously, but all the other guys will need spacesuits and I wonder whether they'll be specific to them. Yeah. Like in the 60s, it used to be like

Spider-Man would just have a glass dome over his head with a tube that sticks out of it that's attached to a ship or whatever. Yeah, exactly. But you can't really do that. And no concern about pressure or anything like that? No, not at all. Yeah.

Maybe. I watched on Facebook that like a sponsored ad popped up and I wasn't sure. I don't know how they find me because I don't like anything. I don't like anything on Facebook related to like comic books and stuff like that. That's interesting. Me too, but yet I still get this stuff.

Yeah. But it was an ad. How do they know? How do they know? But it was an ad for like Harley Davidson's, like customized Marvel themed Harley Davidson's. What? See, it's very specific, right?

But it's right in my wheelhouse. Right, sure. I didn't check. I don't know. But it's like... Are you a motorbike guy? No. Can you imagine yourself getting on one of them?

I can imagine myself getting on a motorbike and immediately killing myself. Like falling on top of you and shattering your leg or something? No, I'm more like I'm driving out of the Harley Davidson lot and I panic just before I enter traffic and I turn it and I crash into the wall of the Harley-Davidson dealership and I die.

But I'm like, who's buying... I always think of Harley-Davidson, that's the tough guy's bike. Who's buying a Harley-Davidson and getting a little arc reactor put into the... That's a good point. But I think also there is... You'd get beaten up by a regular Harley Davidson. Sure. But have you seen some of the people

who actually have bikes in real life? Most of them are like 70-year-old men who went, I'm finally getting a bike. Like, you know what I mean? I guess that's true. There's a lot of that. I don't care if I crash into this wall. That's true.

My family's all grown up. It's irrelevant what happens to me now. That's true. Yeah, no, but you're right. What are we talking about? Guardians of the Galaxy. Guardians of the Galaxy, yeah. Great.

Good to see them combining. I'm glad it's happening. That's an action-packed movie. They've also stressed this week that- Do you think Tony Stark's going to hit on Gamora? Yes. Yeah. Do you want to say that?

Yeah. Well, he's broken up with Pepper, isn't he? He's a free man. That's true. I didn't have this written down, but Natalie Portman confirmed that she's not really going to do any Marvel movies anymore. It's just kind of done. She did a couple and she was okay.

I didn't hate or love her. I thought she was okay Jane Foster. Do you think she would have made a good Lady Thor if they went down that route? Oh. I think Sif would be a better Lady Thor lady i think that's true as well yeah imagine imagine trying to imagine natalie portman yelling as lightning like the lightning's happening i can imagine her like weeping uncontrollably yeah sure i've seen star wars yeah no i don't i don't. She has that warrior spirit about her.

Though, V for Vendetta. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I really like that movie. I like that movie a lot. When you go watch it right now, then you'll love it so much. I don't have it. So you don't love it that much?

I used to. No, apparently not. I might have it on a USB somewhere. I'll be back, excuse me, to go through 100 USBs. They also said that, so you probably heard this, but Infinity War, it's not going to be part one and two. Avengers 3 is Infinity War. And then Avengers 4 is something else.

Untitled Avengers project. Yeah, exactly. And apparently phase three is going to mark the end and the beginning of the Marvel universe. So I think that's when a whole lot of contracts come up. Right, okay. Like your Chris Evans and your Robert Downey Jr. whoever are done.

And then maybe that's when we'll get a new captain america a new iron man you know like dr strange might take over as head of the team or sure or maybe you know a lot of those guys will just sign back on and and keep making it but i think i think they're ready for a mac mass exodus of actors and they're lining up your black panther your captain marvel your dr strange hope for the best plan for the world. Exactly, mate. Something about riding a Harley Davidson. Wear your leathers. I hope that they mark the end of this,

they mark the end of Phase 3. There's just like a, it's got Marvel, in the Marvel Entertainment offices there's a big thing and it's just a whole bunch of gravestones of like Captain America, Iron Man, all these characters. And they all come in for a big meeting and they're like, just point out it and be like, could be you. That's what happened, you know, with the Simpsons

when there was that striker a few years ago. And they, you know, because they wanted more money or whatever. And then they just, the next day they advertised for like, hey, can you do Homer Simpson? Hey, that's right. Just come in. So I think they're prepping themselves. They're being smart.

They're prepping themselves for that. Do you think you would be upset if they replaced Dan Castellaneta as Homer Simpson? I don't watch Simpsons. No, I was going to say, even if you did at this point. No, I think it's if he sounds like the guy. I mean, I guess in the spirit of the show, no, obviously. You want to kind of keep that continuity. And, you know, he's been voicing that character for so long.

But me personally, no, that would not affect me in any way. You? No. Okay, good. Yeah. What else did I have to say about a thing, Mason? Star Wars Episode VIII, it started editing, which is quite early because it's whatever month.

It started editing itself. Yeah, I don't know how. Wow. This is filmmaking these days, mate. They just make themselves. You just throw a whole lot of money in a wood chipper and it spits out a bloody movie. Why are we blaming the directors for these movies?

Blame the wood chipper. Blame the wood chipper. Yeah. So that got underway. There was a, what's the name, director Ryan Johnson put that on Twitter. And also John Williams said he's starting the score very soon. So he's going to see a rough cut of the film

and he's going to get to work before he dies. That's what he said. No, he didn't say that. But yeah, you know what? The Force Awakens score is one of those things. I didn't notice it at the time. And I was like, yeah, I remember it being okay. Because it's not like as bombastic as the prequels.

And I like the prequel score as well. I really enjoy it. I think it's some of the best stuff about that movie. and I like the prequel score as well I really enjoy it I think it's some of the best stuff about that movie but in hindsight there's some really good kind of subtle music cues and themes in The Force Awakens

like Rey's theme's great the bit at the end where she goes and meets Luke is great spoiler alert Kylo Ren lightsabers a whole bunch of monitors theme that's a pretty good one so yeah I mean he's probably the best working composer

for this kind of stuff, I'd imagine. I mean, I love it, you know. Who else does them? James Horner died recently, didn't he? Yep. That sucks. Who's the other guy? Oh, Danny Elfman.

Danny Elfman. You love a Danny Elfman. I don't mind a Danny Elfman. There's a... Who did the Inception theme? Oh, Hans Zimmer. Yeah, I theme? Hans Zimmer. Yeah, like a Hans Zimmer. And some other guy, yeah.

Yeah. Brian Tyler does a lot of stuff now. He did the Iron Man 3 soundtrack. Okay. He did... He does like the Now You See Me's... Did he write the song on blue? Because that was on that, wasn't it?

Oh, yeah, he did. Yeah, he was in Eiffel 65. Then he branched out. Great. Yeah, no, I enjoy all those things that you've mentioned. Especially Eiffel 65. Then he branched out. Great. Yeah, no, I enjoy all those things that you've mentioned, especially Eiffel 65. What a song. Everybody should look that up

and watch the amazing special effects circa the year 2000. Remember the blue aliens and they go to space and they have a laser fight? So good. What else have we got, Mason? Oh, yeah, so... You should also look up Starlight by the Superman Lovers. That was a sweet little late 90s animated clip.

You know it was. So because of all this stuff kind of getting underway so early, speculation has been mounting that they're going to move. This is pure speculation. There's no indication of this, but they might move it back to the original date of may okay because as opposed to december december because apparently that would coincide with the 40th anniversary of star wars and that'd be a fun and whatever i would love that

i don't i'm indifferent because i didn't know until just now because i was because i was kind of disappointed when they pushed it back to december because you know you gotta wait that extra six months or whatever but i understood what if they bring it out and it's no good and people like oh probably you should have pushed it back yeah but it seems like you know they're all very much on track like because this whole thing was was scheduled for a may release so i guess technically they if they pushed it they they could probably get it out in time but that's kind of unheard of to move a movie forward six months so magnificent seven just got moved forward quite a bit huh i think that was supposed to come out either early next year or very late

this year and they moved it way up because i guess it's good i hope it looks pretty good doesn't it unless it's an elaborate double bluff ah that's how they're gamblers you can you know it is yeah you know what i mean but generally when they move and put a movie forward it's to it's an elaborate double bluff. Ah, that's how they get it out. They're gamblers. You know what I mean? But generally when they put a movie forward, it's to dodge a date or they think it's good enough that it'll survive in a better month or whatever. Yeah, and they're thin thunderstorms, right? Yeah. Mason, have you heard of The Runaways?

The Marvels Runaways? Yes, I have. I never have. I heard it's great. It's pretty good. Well, the TV series of that is coming to Hulu. Huh. Pretty good. Sure. I heard it's great. It's pretty good. Well, the TV series of that is coming to Hulu. Huh. Pretty good.

Sure. I guess we should get that. Are there any good Hulu original series? I'm sure there are. I don't have Hulu. Maybe there's none. Yeah, maybe there's none. Everybody's got something, I think.

I don't know. If you say you're premiering on, because remember when Powers came on the PlayStation Network? Yeah. That was no good. Well, I never saw it, but you're right. Yeah. The Mindy Project is on Hulu. All right.

The Path. Never heard of it. 11-22-63 is apparently really good. Okay, yep. Here, we have that on Stan. Party Down. No, that was Stars. Yeah, I guess maybe they have the rights now.

Okay. Resident Advisors. it's a good one isn't it anyway so they've got some stuff mate don't you worry about that okay but everybody's building up their networks it used to be like you make a cable show or cable channel and now it's make a streaming service and charge nine bucks a month or whatever that's true this is the way it's going all right so this was originally supposed to be a movie, and we may have talked about this years ago, and it slowly kind of transitioned into a television series.

I think it'll work better as a series. So can you explain for people the plot of the show of how the kids are the children of supervillains and how they then battle against them? Can you explain the story? Well, basically, they're the children of supervillains, and then eventually they run away and they battle against them you've painted such a vivid picture

in my mind thank you evocative right I don't know if I need to get Hulu because you've done such a great job yeah just imagine that in your mind you don't have to do that much

imagining now right but just think about that so it's great though isn't it yeah it is good and they're not they're not established super villains they're like a

like a secret cabal of of super villains but and you know there's like it's like the Shocker and whatever they're like a like a secret cabal of super villains but uh and you know there's like like the shocker and whatever they're not even b-listers they're just no they're new yeah new yeah right and it's it's not it didn't keep going it had a cap on it didn't it yes it did yeah that's always good unless they've restarted and i haven't noticed they may have yeah everything gets a bloody go mate twice and then some. So there was a rumor this week, yet to be confirmed, that one of the actors in The Amazing Spider-Man, Zendaya. Zendaya Coleman.

Yes, who I don't, I'm not familiar with, but apparently she's on the Disney channel. Yeah, I was going to say, I think she's one of the all-purpose Disney performers. Like she's a singer and she's an actor and she's a model. She was probably a Mouseketeer. Probably a Mouseketeer. Do they still do Mouseketeers?

Certainly. I'm going to Google it. Please do model she was probably a mousketeer probably a mousketeer do you still do mousketeers oh certainly i'm gonna google it i'm gonna google mousketeers so the controversy was that uh the rumor was that she was going to be mary jane in the spider-man movie because originally she was cast as a cast listing as as michelle just as michelle okay fair enough so a lot of the thing um people are complaining about either the the hair color or the skin color or whatever but it's like the thing i guess with you know james bond when he was blonde like i don't i don't care like we talk about this all the time when they changed ethnicity or like a certain character trait it can certainly it can work depending it depends if they capture the spirit of the character yeah for. It could be bad. I didn't really love Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane. I thought it was okay.

Well, see, here's the thing. In some ways, this actor could be closer to the original. That's what James Gunn said as well, yeah. Because in the comic books, Mary Jane is a supermodel. Are you saying Kirsten Dunst couldn't be a supermodel? No. Yeah. Look, she's never been hotter than in Spider-Man 1.

Not 2? No. Not 3? No. Not Fargo? Is she in Fargo? Yes. Season 2.

You throw in a lot of rocks, Mason. I don't know if I like it. No, you do. Think about it. I'm throwing a rock to damage a thing or a person. Injure a person. You know what I mean? Emotionally or physically.

It feels good, right? It does. But look, all I'm saying is there's nothing about the origin stories of Spider-Man or Mary Jane that suggests they have to be white. Well, yeah. James Gunn also said, he released a whole statement, not confirming it, but just being like, he said, for me, if a character's primary attribute attribute the thing that makes them iconic is their color of their skin or their hair color then frankly the callow that frankly the character is shallow and sucks so he said what makes him um mj is like alpha female playfulness and if the actress uh captures that then then she'll work so love it and we don't know anything about this actor, so.

And I don't really care. That's the spirit. If it's good or bad. That's the spirit. Whatever, man. Well, I do care. Yeah, fair enough. Look, you know what?

Also, I like the redhead Mary Jane. Like, I like the look. Uh-huh. But if they go with something else. But she's got, there's some, I guess she put it up on Instagram, a shot of her with red hair. Looks great. Okay, done. Yeah. Fixed on Instagram, a shot of her with red hair. Looks great. Okay, done.

Yeah. Fixed. But again, it's a rumour. Yeah. That may or may not turn out to be true. Speaking of rumours, Mason. Yes. It's pretty much confirmed. Henry Cavill posted a picture hinting at the black suit Superman.

Yes, he did. For Justice League. Unless it's a deliberate fake out. Zendaya has 30 million followers on Instagram. Is that all? Yeah. I assume that's her. Maybe it's a different one.

Anyway, sorry. Sure. Now, some people have pointed out as well that that photo looks like it could have been made black and white. Yes, that's true. But that also could indicate... I can't imagine he would have posted that if they weren't doing it. I can imagine he would. posted that if they weren't doing it i would be very would i'd be very disappointed he's that he's that he's a cheeky larry and he puts on a v for vendetta mask and he walks around you're right he walks around he walks around comic-con and

then he pranks somebody doesn't he who did he prank will smith he pranked will smith didn't he was like well look at me will smith this giant muscular man was me henry and then presumably somebody had to whisper in Will Smith's ear who this guy was and he was like ah it's you good on you

guy I've never been in a movie with great so he's a prankster so it could be something else so he's done that one prank yeah that's what you're saying

I'm saying he's an inveterate unstoppable prankster so don't put it past him to not do a to not do a prank because he'll do a prank absolutely well this also is indicated to people that we're one step closer to hashtag mullet for superman that's right which also has its own twitter account which i appreciate the person who's running that well done you're doing

you're doing great work uh-huh getting it out there and also a lot of different uh like bud's feed apparently wrote an article on it be like oh look he did this and look there's this twitter account and campaign or whatever, which is really cool. That's pretty fun. Now that I'm thinking about it, it could very well be maybe his regeneration chamber has that on it. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It could be any number of things. Yeah, but I think it's one of those things that they'll definitely touch on.

Like, I would be very surprised if they didn't do it. The mullet? I don't know yet. That's right. That's up in the air. Hashtag mullet for Superman. But, you know, that's... Look, all we have to do is make it worldwide trending.

That's right. We can do it, people. It gets a bit of traction. It gets plenty of traction, I think. Now, there was so much news last week that I can't believe I left this out. Nobody even called us out on it. But they announced a Superman solo movie. Well, The Wrap reported it.

Sorry, I should say. Not officially from Warner Brothers. But apparently, Superman is a top priority for the studio and getting the character right for audiences

is of tantamount importance. That's exciting to me. Apparently, there's two dates in like 2018, 2019 that are rumoured to be a Batman

and a Superman movie. Okay, sure. So, I would love another Superman movie. What do you want to see in another Superman movie? I want to see Zack Snyder not direct it. Great. I want to maybe give it to...

You know who'd be good? Justin Lin. He did the latest Star Trek. Fast and the Furious? Yeah, Fast and the Furious. I think he's adaptable. I think James Wan would have been good, but he's doing Aquaman.

Some people have said Mad Max, dude. What's his name? George Miller. George Miller, okay. But I'm also... I don't know whether Mad Max dude. What's his name? George Miller. George Miller. Okay. Yeah. But I'm also, I don't know whether Mad Max is an accidentally great film. We still don't know.

That's right. We've got to wait for his next one and then maybe lose to say. He doesn't really stumble too much, but there was a lot going on with that movie. So, but you know, and he obviously loves the characters. He nearly did Justice League. That's true. At one point. What do you want to see in the movie?

Oh, see in it? Yeah. I want to see him in outer space. Yeah. I nearly did Justice League. That's true. At one point. What do you want to see in the movie? Oh, see in it? Yeah. I want to see him in outer space. I want to see space. But I think Green Lantern's probably going to do that. Well, I want to see more in different space. I think they're going to do... Yeah, sure.

I think they're going to do... I want to see him fly through a sun. Yeah. Can he do that? I mean, someone's sun. Someone's right through. A space alien sun? Probably, yeah.

Or maybe through an Earth kid on the way to space. I'm out of here. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what Earth kid on the way to space. Yeah, definitely. I'm out of here. Yeah. So that's what you want to see, just space. Yeah, I want to see... Because they're probably not going to do Dark... Or maybe they will do Darkseid. Because Justice League will do Steppenwolf

and maybe touch upon Darkseid. So maybe this will be him going to Apocalypse or... I doubt it, but... Maybe that's the son he's going through, Steppenwolf. Sure. Just ploughed right through him. Butwolf's steppenwolf's an uncle what's dark side's son's name orion yeah yeah but i think they're gonna be like what a good bloke look at all his humanity i think that's the way they're gonna they're gonna do it just go to space

yeah stop dicking around on earth nobody can fight you on earth zod did and batman did to be fair yeah and doomsday yeah that's three and he's three yeah you know what go into space and find some weaker villains you can trounce very easily what about a matalo uh in space well he's not really a space guy well he can be yeah but uh i want to all right space man your whole he can he can be. Yeah. But I want to... All right, space, man. He can go the whole length and breadth of the universe. No, I think... Time, space, dimensions. Stop putting him on Earth. I think they're going to keep him grounded.

Maybe they'll do Superman grounded. Yawn! They'll do Superman grounded where he walks across America and solves everybody's problems. I'm right, DC. I know you're not listening. You're obviously not listening. Just send him into space.

There's cool stuff out there. All right. All kinds of stuff. I'm not against it. Imagine Superman, he's just on an outer space space station. Yeah, it'd be good. The best part of Superman Returns is when he went- A bunch of aliens, they're going like, look at this weird dude.

And he's like, shut up. Yeah. That's what all the weird dudes would say. But the best part of Superman Returns is the scene they cut out where he goes to space. Where he goes to space, exactly. Yeah. That's what I was saying. You're the weird dude, you say. But the best part of Superman Returns is the scene they cut out where he goes to space. Where he goes to space, exactly. Yeah. That's really good. You know what's interesting?

If they are going back to this, I'd imagine they look at the profits from Batman, Superman, Man of Steel and Suicide Squad. And Man of Steel costs the least and may have cleared the most money, I think. Okay, sure. Yeah. I think Suicide Squad and Batman, Superman were at least $ I think. Okay, sure. Yeah. I think Suicide Squad and Batman Suicide Squad were at least $250 million. So what accounts for all that money?

That's a really good question. Because the special effects were about the same. Yeah, I think so. I think they probably did some better stuff in special effects-wise in Man of Steel than they did Suicide Squad. Yeah. I think they were like the Kryptonian aesthetic

and all that kind of tech. And the world engine and all that sort of stuff. Yeah. All that was fantastic. So I think a lot of it was probably salary. That all CGI Christopher Maloney knife fight. Sure, yes. It's all, you know.

He's all CGI, that guy. He won't get out of his trailer. How does he do it? Yeah, it's amazing. He's very difficult. I don't know why they hire him, if I'm honest with you. But like, I don't think there was, there's not really a standout effect for Suicide Squad.

So I imagine a lot of that was locations reshoots actors. Yeah. That's what I think the money went for that one. I may be wrong. I probably am wrong. I'm very rarely right. You know what isn't wrong, Mason? Hello.

Or maybe wrong. Jared Leto has jumped on board for Blade Runner 2. That's right. Yeah. He looks, he's got a replicant look about him. Oh, okay. Yeah, he could definitely be. Like a slick. Yeah, he's glossy. He's got a replicant look about him. Yeah, he could definitely be. Like a slick, kind of shiny glossy.

Yeah, he's glossy. He's very glossy. He's a glossy man, yeah. Yeah, you don't think he'll end up being a Blade Runner? He's fresh out of the tank. He is, isn't he? Oh, maybe though. Maybe that's the twist.

Yeah. But I think, yeah, he reminds me of like a David from Prometheus. Like a replica, like real slick, great hair. Skin's too perfect in a way yeah so that's that's good i'm looking forward to blade running in a trench coat or like a sleeveless shirt right you know what i mean glistening bicep yeah not too big no he's trim he's more of a runner isn't he he's more of a cardio man if i had to guess yeah uh and i guess that kind of leads us into the topic we're going to talk about this week because Because Jared Leto's, I've just released a video, Mason, on whether or not Jared Leto is the worst Joker.

Uh-huh. Heads up. He might be. But I don't think it's his fault. Right. I think there's a lot of stuff going on behind that. So I don't think I definitively answered the question. Worse than Cesar Romero.

I think Cesar Romero, I mentioned this in the video, but a lot of the Jokers, they're not all perfect. But a lot of them have a point. Sure. Okay. And they're appropriate for that Fillmore era or whatever. Like Cesar Romero is exactly what he's supposed to be. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

Like you can't fault him for that. And again, and I've said this on Twitter, I don't like the fact that he didn't shave his mustache, but instead just covered it in white grease paint. But God damn, do I respect that. That's a man who's got convictions. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I feel if I ever cosplayed as the Joker,

I would just, like, options would be like shave the beard, but I think I would just grease paint over the beard, even though it extends like four inches below my face. Just slick it down. Just slick it down, grease paint it down. Yeah. But speaking of Suicide Squad, I was on a few Sandandspan episodes earlier in the week

oh yes and the one that should be out by now I think is we talked about what would what would you do with the Suicide Squad

uh-huh so there's and there's a few more coming over probably just sweep my finger over that app and blow all their heads off we did talk about that

that did come up I think that might have been my suggestion or someone else's suggestion so yeah I'll link that below but you guys probably know what that is.

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So we decided on most disappointing movies because for a lot of people, Suicide Squad was a disappointing film. I won't hear of it. I mean, because we talked it to death. We talked it to death. We're not going to talk about Suicide Squad, Batman, Superman, stuff that we've recently kind of talked about because we've done it death. We talked it to death. We're not going to talk about Suicide Squad, Batman, Superman,

stuff that we've recently kind of talked about because we've done it. We've done it to death. Yeah, exactly. Repeatedly, sometimes on an audio commentary. Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes, all over the place. That's right. So, Mason, is there a movie for you that sticks out as being disappointing? Just one.

Just one off the top of my head. All right. The Grindhouse movies, but specifically Death Proof. Yeah, I'd agree with that. Because it's Tarantino. Yep. I'm just going to look up Quentin Tarantino. What did he do immediately before that?

I want to say Kill Bill. Kill Bill was great. Yeah. See? And I really liked Kill Bill 2 in particular. Yeah. And that's the thing, because it was Quentin Tarantino, Kurt Russell, Grindhouse car chase movie.

Right, yeah. How do you mess it up? You make a really, really long conversation at the start. Yeah, exactly. 40 minutes of talking in a cafe. Well, that's the thing. It's 90%, not 90%, it's 50% like this gab fest. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Which you'd think could be great. Because he nails dialogue, yeah. But then it went too far over the line to become just this grating. Do you think a lot of that had to do with, because I know he cast a stunt performer in one of the lead roles. Do you think that had anything to do with it?

How do you mean? Do you think she's not a compelling actor? No, I don't think so. That would imply that they tested her in terms of dialogue and stuff and went, eh, she's not compelling. That's Zoe Bell. Yes. No, I think she's good.

Honestly, I don't remember. Because I remember not seeing this at the cinema because, as we've talked about before, it didn't make money in the US because it was a double feature. Yep. So when they brought it to Australia, they split it into two films. Yes, they did, yeah. And I went, hell no.

Not happening. Also, Planet Terror is not good either i don't hate it as much okay i look i barely remember if i'm honest i i remember not i i don't like that grain of old film kind of that's artificially put in and like they do that thing where it's like it's a missing reel and there was a and it jumps ahead in time and it's supposed to be a very kind of amusing sure Sure, yeah. Whatever. But a lot of talky talk.

The stunt work is good in that. I agree, yeah. There's a severed leg. It looks pretty good. Sure. But Kurt Russell's fine, I guess. Yeah, but not enough. He's better.

Yeah. And they just kind of beat him with a baseball bat at the end. Yeah, they do. Is that how that ends? No, they just kick him about quite a bit. Yeah. Yeah. They crash his car and then they kick him about.

Wait, I've completely lost my train of thought. Death proof. Death proof. There we go. Yeah. No good. And again, I think I've mentioned this before on the show, but the problem with those movies was that they were like, we're going to make these grindhouse movies.

We're going to make these B movies. Yeah. But what they did is they took a whole lot of money and attempted to replicate the B-movie style. Right. What they should have done, as an expert in these movies. That's true. Not true. But again, why am I questioning Quentin Tarantino?

He can do whatever he wants. Yeah. But I would have much preferred to give Quentin Tarantino the equivalent budget of what he would have gotten, you know, in the 70s or 80s for this kind of big movie and said, what can you do with this? Like a couple million or whatever. Like a couple million bucks. Like an asylum.

I would love to see Quentin Tarantino do like a movie, direct an asylum movie. I bet he'd bloody nail it. Like the Sharknado or the Mega Shark versus Giant Octopus or any of those. Yeah. What's the, they've done a Suicide Squad ripoff. Oh, yeah. I can't remember what it's called. Yeah. Special Squad or something like that. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. octopus or any of those yeah what's the there's a they've done a suicide squad ripoff oh yeah uh i can't remember what it's called yeah yeah special squad yeah something like that yeah

just give him a you know whatever they cost like half a million bucks or a million bucks yeah and say what can you do with isn't it like two takes for that they're like we do two times they do a maximum of two takes for anything and if it's if it's not great they just keep it yeah brilliant i love it okay that's a good one to start with mason thank you i'm gonna say suicide squad no i didn't hate it uh two towers for me okay sure the second lord of the rings film yeah i really loved the first one like it blew me away and i'm not really a lord of the rings fan i wasn't before and i'm i'm not really after but going into that movie i was really excited and you read the books?

I tried. Me too. I really gave it a go a couple of times. If you've also tried, tweet at us. Let us know. Yeah, just too much song and rhyme. So much walking. Yeah, I talked about the specific point where I put it down where they go to leave the elves

and then after they had like a 10-chapter party, it felt like we were talking about elvesven breads and song and rhyme. And then they're like, come back for one more party. And I'm like, no. Just slammed it shut. I'm done. I can't do it. But apparently if you push through it, you can really appreciate it

and whatever, but I guess I don't have that patience. I don't know anyone who enjoyed it the first time around. Okay, fair enough. If you did, tweet in. Yeah. Or do. I don't mind. That being said the first time around. Okay, fair enough. If you did, tweet in. Yeah. Or do, I don't mind. That being said, because I love the camaraderie of the first movie and they split up everybody in the second.

And it just didn't, I don't know, I just didn't enjoy it. That being said, in hindsight, it's a fantastic movie. Like having watched it again multiple times. It's like the battle scenes are amazing. Gandalf versus the Balrog. Yeah, exactly. Shit like that. Yeah, it opens really strong. But you know. Gandalf versus the Balrog. Yeah, exactly. Shit like that. Yeah, it opens really strong.

But you know that whole Helm's Deep thing, there's a whole lot of pioneering technology that they use for like CGI armies and stuff. They shot in the rain for three months at night. You know what I mean? It was just this hell of a project that they put together. And it does suffer from being the middle in a trilogy. But I think the battles in that movie are better than the battles

in the third one because it's at night. There's not a whole lot going on. And in the third one, it's just elephants and horses and dragons and whatever. And that's more kind of Hobbit-esque than Two Towers was. I think those movies are as good as the order they came out in, personally. Oh. But I don't know.

So that's a serious escalating disappointment for you. But that being said, I enjoy them all. I think they're all great, but I think they are as good as... I don't think I could ever go back. Oh, really? Yeah. There's just too much... Is it the tree?

Is the talking tree for you? No, I was just thinking how much I enjoyed the talking trees. No, there's just too much to them I can't yeah that'd be the kind of movie that I'd I'd be like

oh time to settle down and watch these movies again and then I'd watch first 20 minutes then I'd be like I'm gonna skip to the fight and then I'd

then I'll skip to the bit where Gandalf fights the Balrog at the end of the first one and then I'd skip to the next movie that's the start of the second one

yes he just falls off the cliff yeah well that part I love I love wizards falling off cliffs that's pretty good isn't it yeah great movies though

and I think also The Hobbit has kind of killed that franchise for me just been like yeah I don't think I'd go back anytime soon because I don't want to step back

into that world because I feel for me as well it's a bit exhausting yeah but I mean what's left really The Silmarillion yeah I don't want to step back into that world. I feel, for me as well, it's a bit exhausting. Yeah, but I mean, what's left, really? The Silmarillion? Yeah, I don't think they'll do anything anytime soon. You know what?

It wouldn't surprise me if we get it at some point. Sure. I would not surprise, because they made Warner Brothers a lot of money. That's true. Or whoever, or New Line and whatever. But yeah, that's one, though. The Hobbit.

You only saw the last one. I only saw the last one. And you didn't hate it. Well, that's the thing. I didnbit. You only saw the last one. I only saw the last one. And you didn't hate it. Well, that's the thing. I didn't hate it because I wasn't exhausted. I'm sure if I'd seen the first two in that trilogy, I'd have been massively exhausted. Even though they're a year apart, you still feel exhausted.

I need my recovery time, man. No, that's a trilogy that should have been split into two max. And in hindsight- It's one book. What are they doing? It's one very small book. And Peter Jackson obviously wasn't supposed to do it initially, and he probably shouldn't have.

But he was kind of backed into a corner having done it. I would have liked to have seen Guimero del Toro's version. Sure. Because I think they obviously have a different eye for filmmaking, and I would have liked to have seen what he would have done that and how he would have then blended it into Peter Jackson's trilogy. Do you think he would have blended it or do you think he would have just smashed it in?

I don't know. I feel he might have just gone, here's my aesthetic to it, deal with it. Yeah. Why did the whole universe change? I don't know. There was time passed. Figure it out.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but The Hobbit for me, Why did the whole universe change? I don't know. There was time passed. Figure it out. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but The Hobbit for me, The Hobbit trilogy I think, we should talk about Star Wars prequels briefly, I guess. Never heard of them. To a lot of people they're very disappointing, but to me they're more. The prequels to what?

To me they're more. Prequels to what? I'm bringing back this character, a guy who doesn't know what Star Wars is. What? I think those movies are easier to watch because they're more. Brickles to what? I'm bringing back this character, a guy who doesn't know what Star Wars is. What? I think those movies are easier to watch because they're not so long. Like, I'd watch the Star Wars Brickles

before I'd watch The Hobbit. Yeah, okay. Which we'll be doing because we've got some commentaries coming up, don't we? A lot of people want to see. Again, I have not seen The Phantom Menace since it came out.

That's amazing movies, right? When was that, 99? Yeah. Yeah, so 16 years 17 17 years yeah bloody hell yeah and i bet it holds up but it's just as good it's gonna be for whatever that entails it's gonna be rough no i think it'll be interesting have i mentioned i mentioned on the show that when i saw because i was in high school when i saw it yeah and then is the guy reading the book yes i mentioned it again it again. I mentioned it again. Well, it came out.

I watched it over the weekend. I'm like, this is brutally, bitterly disappointing. It was so boring. You're one of the only people I knew that found it that way because everybody else was like, I loved it. Even me, I was like, I think it was good. It got five stars in every news paper. People loved it.

But I think that was just people who'd invested so much in this is going to be great. Yeah. And it was only in retrospect people were like, no, this is bad. But I remember going, this is – because it was just – this is so boring, but there's going to be those lightsaber fights they promised. Yeah, that's right. In the trailer, so I've just got to hang out for that.

I've just got to get through the Senate chamber scene. No good. And then I came back to school on the monday and there was a guy and he was reading the the hardcover adaptation i bet he had all of them because you can get them all i think it was jake lloyd it was jake lloyd cover i'm pretty sure he had the little goggles on and i went star wars hey phantom menace and he was like i've seen it 10 times. And I'm like, wow. That's powerful stuff. Yeah, that's...

You would have to go like... That's like you watch it four or five times in a day. Yeah, you have to maybe watch maybe first on the Thursday, again on the Friday night, several times on the Saturday and Sunday. Oh, boy. Good Lord. Midnight screenings.

Have you ever done that? Seen a movie and then walked straight back in and watched it again never because you hear that happening a lot of people I think I saw The Matrix on the Thursday and then I saw it again

on the Friday okay but it was probably with different groups of people I'd imagine yeah it's a bloody good movie though look let's

a lot of I tweeted out to people what are their most disappointing films a lot of people said Phantom Menace I do think those movies have merit I think they pioneered a lot of technology and there's there's clear craft and filmmaking and advances in cgi and there is a lot of practical stuff in the first one in particular so i don't

think it's completely terrible but i but at the same time but they're pretty terrible they are terrible but i think also some of that pioneering, like you could see it in other things at the time. It's just these were the movies that sort of smashed them all together. Yes, sure. Like I remember Joss Whedon. If you listen to the Firefly DVD commentaries, Joss Whedon's like, we put these zoom shots in, like these CGI zoom shots in Firefly.

Yeah. Like, you know, as if it were a real camera looking at a real object, but it's all CGI. Yeah. And we were really proud of that. And then we, like, the next day, Attack of the Clones came out and they put CGI zoom shots in and we were like, kind of like we were pipped at the post kind of thing.

So did he, was that a copying thing or was that? No, I think it was just a coincidence. Right, yeah. I think the tech, I think. Oh, the technology had advanced. I think the technology had advanced and people were like, hey, wouldn't it be fun? Like, we're looking at, I think it was just a coincidence. Right, yeah. I think the tech... Oh, the technology had advanced. I think the technology had advanced and people were like, hey, wouldn't it be fun? Like, we're looking at...

I think it was just parallel thought kind of thing. Right, yeah, yeah. But I think it was just cropping up all over the place and it was just these movies that just went... Yeah, and Battlestar did a lot of that as well. Yeah, like we have all this stuff. Let's put it all in together. Yeah.

Puppets. CGI men with four arms. Yes. 50s diners. Good. Wingsy Snoutall. Yes. 50s diners. Good. Wingsy Snoutall. Wingsy Snoutall. Well, you mentioned The Matrix.

Yes, I did. I can't imagine they weren't disappointing for you. Again, I keep saying this. We will do a Matrix episode. We'll have to do a Matrix episode, yeah. Or even commentaries. We could do commentaries. Yeah, totally.

I'll really enjoy that first one. I feel like they're going to make another one. Because it's one of those things, again, even though the second two aren't great, they made a lot of money. They all made a lot of money. And also, what have the Wachowskis done since then? Speed Racer, Jupiter Ascending.

The one through time where everybody's Asian. Oh, Cloud Atlas. Sure, yeah. Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. No, they'll have to. And again, I want to see,

I really want to see not where the post-apocalyptic future world has gone. Yeah. But where the Matrix has gone. Right, right. Has it moved on to 2016? Yeah. Or is it still set in 1999?

I would kind of want it to be set in 99. Everybody's still got the flip-flops. Yeah, that would be kind of like. I think because, I don't know, if you move it to now, like, do you still have to grab a phone box to get out? That's true, yeah. Because there are none. You have to escape through Snapchat. That's how it works you're being chased by agents you gotta

you're being chased by agents you're gonna get your phone out you're gonna take a photo of yourself and then you have to draw a little cartoon put a little filter on a little filter of you escaping the matrix yeah what's that one where you mime a song for six seconds or whatever dub smash you have to escape through a Dubsmash. That's true. Yeah. Look, I'm sure there's a way to make it work. But yeah, that movie, the second one, I remember being like,

what an amazing, like, I loved the fight sequences again and the highway chase is spectacular. The ideas are good in it. The ideas are good, but yeah, the storytelling in that is... The Matrix Reloaded is good up until they arrive in Zion. Okay. It's a great film up until Zion, then it's garbage. Okay, I don't remember.

I remember the third one just being a whole lot of people I don't care about fighting in mech suits. Oh yeah, that was good too, yeah. Yeah. But also also after that second one i thought the third one could save this depending where this goes uh-huh sure that they could pull it all together but they don't know and it's not not very fun what a what a wasted what an amazing universe that they wasted right uh-huh yeah but oh well we'll get another

one won't we mason maybe anything else on the matrix'll get another one, won't we, Mason? Maybe. Anything else on The Matrix? Have we got another one there? What about Prometheus? See, here's the thing about Prometheus, though, is that it's a prequel. Yes. It's a prequel and it explores the hidden secrets and secret origins of like a... You know what I'm talking about?

I know. I'm giving you this face because it doesn't really... So, I mean, I had high hopes, but did i have high hopes you know what i mean well the trailers looked amazing what are the odds of it being good it's a prequel so right yeah that's already 50 50 even like 70 50 70 30 not being very good yeah and then also exploration of an iconic yeah history of an iconic thing where did this alien come from? And nailing it. Yeah, right? Yeah. Not going to happen. You know, I think Prometheus is dumb. Oh, sure.

But I kind of like it. Like it is disappointing that it's not better but I do enjoy its dumbness. Yeah, and everybody's dumb in it for so many reasons. And it's the same thing. I like a lot of the ideas. Yeah.

I think it's very well cast and well acted. The special effects are obviously amazing but everybody in that movie is a the ideas. Yeah. I think it's very well cast and well acted. The special effects are obviously amazing. But everybody in that movie is a total idiot. Yeah. From running directly into the path of a spaceship that's about to crash on you. To petting a space snake. Oh, that's right. Yeah.

I forgot about that. Yeah. The pilot who flies his ship into the other ship at the end. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I am looking forward to the sequel.

I'm like, where's this going now? How are they doing this? But, you know, it made a lot of money again. Yeah, uh-huh. And it does have its fans. That's certainly true. But one that was also disappointing for me, even though I always knew it was disappointing,

Alien 3 is a pretty weak follow-up to Alien. Did you think it was going to be good? No, and I knew it wasn't going in. Again, I think there is good stuff in that movie, but it's a massive step down. But this is in the era before you could just stay at home and watch anything you wanted on Netflix. That's true, yeah.

You're like, well, I could either watch Alien 3 or I could stay home and watch Australia's Funniest Home Videos. Which do I do? What do I do? Did you see any of those at the cinema? I don't think I did. I don't think I would have been old enough. No, I've seen none of them at the cinema.

Except for the Alien Predator ones, obviously. Yeah. No, you know what? One, two, and three I saw on video. Yeah. Four I didn't see at the cinema. Right, yeah. I mean, I've seen them all on video. Yes. didn't see the cinema right yeah because i i mean technically i've

seen them all on yes that's what i'm saying i see my four i'm like whatever like this right exactly this is what this is now but three is it's still i really want them to bang out that alien sequel yeah and just and just kind of ride off three and four that would be great for me what about uh elysium is that true that Michael Bean got more for not being in Alien 3 than he did apparently yeah because they used his likeness or whatever yeah Elysium I thought I like it I was not disappointed in it it's disappointing to me that I know I really love District 9 sure and and I wasn't disappointed by Chappie because I heard it was terrible and I was was like, that's fine.

It's not better than Elysium. No. But I was really... It would be better if they took Deantford out of it. Oh, yeah. But again, I maintain he's supposed to be unpleasant. Like he's supposed to be intolerable. And he is. The main guy.

Yes. Ninja, yeah. I think it's supposed to be that. Like he's not supposed to be a fun guy. Like, Chappie's the guy that you relate to. Everyone else is terrible. Oh, sure, yeah. So I think they did that on purpose.

They hired a very unpleasant man. Yeah, that's right. Because I think he's like that in real life. Yeah, I think he is. We've mentioned that they've gone out and said that Jared Leto's Joker is a direct ripoff of him, right? And you know what? You look at a lot of that stuff and it's not dissimilar. That's true.

Yeah. Both of them are unpleasant men, aren't they? Yeah. So you weren't disappointed by Elysium? Look, I really like District 9, but I don't think I've gone back to it since I saw it at the cinema. I think I'm like, that was good. Yeah.

But it's kind of heavy and unpleasant at the same time. It is, isn't it? The heaviness and the unpleasantness and the sadness to it sort of overwhelmed my desire to go back and watch just cool guns going off. You know what I mean? Sure, fair enough. There was all kinds of cool guns. There were so many cool guns.

Gravity guns and laser guns and missiles and a mech suit. Exactly. And I love what he does in those movies, Neil Blomkamp, especially the first two. The Blommer. The Blommer, where he uses a lot of technology that he doesn't explain. He brings it in, they use it, then they just throw it away. It's because it's just like a common item. Like that machine laser that cuts a hole in the side of the vehicle.

Exactly. Love it. Great. But I remember I'd heard District 9 was good, but I didn't really know what it was. Right. And then when I watched it, I'm like, is this a body horror movie? Because it starts that way and then it turns into an action movie

and it's all sorts of social commentary and whatever. I just think there's so much going on in that movie that they've jammed in and it totally works. And Elysium is a bit heavy-handed. Oh, it's definitely heavy-handed, sure, yeah. When I say a bit, yeah, no, it is. There's machines in space that'll fix all your ills. And it's not bad.

Yeah. But I just wanted it to be so much better than what it was. Yeah. What else have you got, Mason? I don't know, let me think. I can give you another one. Okay, go ahead. Indiana Jones 4.

We haven't done an Indiana Jones episode yet. See, episode this goes back to prometheus should it be good did you ever think it was going to be good yeah i did i did it got me it totally got me because they were like we're going to use charlotte booth's not his son we got where you were doing it the old school way we're going to use like matte paintings and real stunts and real locations and that is total horseshit so Absolutely. And I don't even think that movie falls apart. That movie's all CGI-ing or whatever it was. Bugs?

It doesn't fall apart until pretty much Shia LaBeouf, after the motorcycle chase. You're going to have to refresh my memory of where that is because I can't remember anything that happens in this movie. Okay, so it starts where they pull him out of the boot of a... The Russians pull him out and they infiltrate the facility. Okay, that's pretty good. And then he gets loose. And the facility the the facility from razors with all the stuff

it's a nice little nod or whatever and it's not brilliant sure but it's like and it's a nice little nod to the other movies and when he gets loose he just fucking wreck shop like and it's great right yeah that's right yeah and then they get on the jet car and. And there is the fridge bit. Sure. Which is totally stupid. Which creates the concept of puking the fridge. Exactly. But I don't think that's dumber than a lot of stuff in those movies. Of course he would have died. Like in Temple of Doom where they jump out of the plane in the life raft.

That's still die. That's exactly the example I was going to give. Like they lived in a scenario where they had like there's a 1% like they lived in a scenario where they had probably like less than a 1% chance they would live so if you give them that

even though Temple of Doom is the second worst one I still love it but yeah yeah I know um but then

it's when they start travelling and they go to Peru and then they're going through that CGI jungle and there's a Shia LaBeouf sword fighting on top of the cars and he's getting swatted in the nuts and then he's swinging through the trees like a monkey that's when that movie all falls down also indiana jones is the most like a passenger

than any of those other movies because he's just kind of like going along you know when he's hand solo he's active and he's about he's doing stuff and he's in that one he's kind of like what are we where are we doing what are we like he seems old yes that's true but not in he's kind of like, where are we doing? What are we? Like, he seems old. Yes, that's true. But not in a good kind of, you've learned some stuff. Isn't that interesting? He seems slow and old and dumb. Then in Force Awakens, he's an older, like Harrison Ford is years older.

He's eight years older, yeah. But he seems like a man in control. Yeah. But in Crystal Skull, he does look like a man. He's like, what? He did feel old and fragile. Yeah. Was that a character choice? I don't know. Of like, well does look like a man. He's like, what? He did feel old and fragile. Yeah. Was that a character choice?

I don't know. Of like, well, this is a man. Do you think maybe that, because I feel that this was in the era where they're like, let's get Shia LaBeouf to head all these franchises. Yes, it was. Do you think maybe they were like, well, we'll get Shia LaBeouf to... Do all the stuff. Yeah, we'll get him to do all the stuff and this will be a passing the torch.

So we'll make it... Like, maybe they got a million takes from Harrison Ford. Maybe they didn't. He probably only does like... He probably does it asylum style with only two. Depends how high he is. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think that maybe they were like,

let's get the takes where he looks the most feeble so that people are like, well, it's good that he's retiring and it's good that Shia... Right. That Mutt is going to be the new... Mutt Williams. Yeah. And even when they were's retiring and it's good that Mutt is going to be the new... Mutt Williams. Yeah.

And even when they were like, and it is his son. I'm like, oh, come on. You couldn't pick somebody better for that? Yeah. And I'm not against Indiana Jones having kids. He probably would have kids. And there's even the bit where Red Letter Media do a review of it. And there's a bit in the trailer where he does some action

and he's like, you're a teacher? And he's like, part-time. Sure, yeah. And there's two takes of that. The one in the trailer, he's really kind of like, like definitively says it and he's like, it's like, this is who I am or whatever. But in the movie, he's kind of like, part-time?

Like it's really, it's a weird cut. Yeah, so that kind of lends itself. They've enfeebled him. Yeah. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next one. Yeah, totally. Great stuff. What else, Mason?

Let me think. I thought of one, and then you were like, oh, I've got one. Then I banged on for a bit. Yeah, now I've forgotten. Hang on. Oh, Hancock. There we go.

Okay, fair enough. I saw we were talking about Will Smith before. Yeah, yeah. That's a 2009 era movie, isn't it? Isn't it, boy, and now. But you think it's going to be great. Yeah, it did look great. And it you think it's going to be great yeah it did look right and then you realize that will smith can't play an irredeemably bad guy no and so he's got

to be a redeemably bad guy and by that i mean the most amazing hero the world's ever seen and so where's it gonna go and an angel yeah oh that He was too, yeah. Because the idea that he was just this down and out, surly... Yeah, he was this Superman figure who landed on Earth and then just didn't give a shit. Right, exactly. Yeah, because even the start when he does the kind of car chase and he's just crashing through signs and whatever and he's drinking, that's pretty good, I guess.

But then what happens? I don't remember. I think I've seen it once on a laptop uh then then jason bateman is gonna be his pr guy guy and then but he and his wife is charlie's the run who's also an angel yeah or whatever and they this the closer they get the weaker exactly there's a there's a dumb premise for you. And again, I could buy almost all of it, but the idea that they were created with this inbuilt... They were created to be the protectors of humanity,

but they had this inbuilt safety device where if they got too close, they would lose their powers. Well, you'd think it would be the other way around. Well, you'd need them to stick together. Right. I'm sure there's a great graphic novel prequel that we could delve into. Might redeem the whole thing.

Well, and they talked about for years, they're like, we're sticking to this franchise, we're going to do another one. That's right. Up until recently, they were like, we're doing this, this is happening. But everyone's kind of like, you don't really have to. Like, I don't think it's terrible. Uh-huh. Is it?

I don't remember. No, it is. Okay. Do you need another one no correct and again because they've built this universe with this this weird safety valve definitive ending to it right right oh i can't make a franchise out of it no speaking of franchises hello that aren't good yes terminator salvation is easily the most for me the worst terminator film because is easily the most, for me, the worst Terminator film because I expected the most of it.

For Terminator 3, I was like, well, this doesn't look very good. And it's not really. But I think there's some really fun moments and also has that super depressing ending, which I love, where it's just like Future's set, nuclear war. They push the button on nuclear war. They go through with it. They're not like, we're going to stop on nuclear war. They go through with it. They're not like, we're going to stop it or whatever.

They don't stop it. It's over. And there's a lot of dumb shit in that movie. But whatever. I think 3, 4, and 5 are all total garbage in different ways. I don't disagree with you. I think 3, 4, and 5 are all total garbage, but everybody inexplicably kind of likes one of them.

I kind of like Genesis, even though it's garbage. No, I get that. Because Genesis is kind of fun in parts. Sure, yeah. And also, that was never going to be good, was it? It might have been good. Yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, well, James Cameron said it was good.

But as soon as they revealed that twist in the trailer, I think I would have enjoyed that movie a lot more if they didn't throw that one out there. And also if john connor looked anything like a john connor would look like right do you ever buy him as john connor in that role i never do i don't buy all the john connors except it would fail long yeah i guess because he's a kid but the only one i buy is that one from terminator 2 where you see him in the future yeah and he just looks like a general and he's got yeah the scar but then you see nick stahl in the future. Yeah. And he just looks like a general and he's got the scar. But then you see Nick Stahl in the future.

I'm like, well, that doesn't work. And Christian Bale is just Christian Bale. He's not terrible, I guess, but that doesn't, because he doesn't look anything like Nick Stahl. Christian Bale, the most versatile actor in the world. Yeah, but I mean, like, I see Christian Bale in that movie. I know he's a great actor, but he just Christian Bales it. And then we get a different John Connor again in the next movie.

They just, they don't care, do they? They'll just cast anybody in the John Connor role. You'd think, because I guess the thinking is nobody cares about who the John Connor is. We just want to see Arnold and another Terminator punch on. And I guess you could. But I think if you don't make the universe consistent in a lot of other ways, people don't buy it.

Exactly. But I think you could write that off as Sarah Connor, depending on when Kyra Reese comes back and what happens, it's a different sperm every time. So they're all different. They're all John Connors. No, I get it. But they're all slightly different.

Right. Because the chances... Is that why the one in Genesis is evil? Yeah, sure. And also because he got infected by Doctor Who. Nah, it's his sperm though. He's a bad sperm, mate. He's a bad sperm, yeah.

Skynet is there like, finally, finally we got a bad sperm one that we couldn't infect the other ones because they were too pure and righteous. But this one, he's a bad sperm, John Connor. There's like an alert comes up at SkyNet headquarters. It's like bad sperm alert, bad sperm alert. And it's a picture of a sperm.

It's a splotch. Yeah. He's a sperm and he's got a sinister mustache and a monocle and a top hat. And he's like, he's twiddling his little mustache. We finally did it. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff.

But the reason I hate uh salvation is because it looks so great and it promised the remember the trailers were really good oh yeah but it also spoiled the twist again of the half terminator robot you did yeah but it contradicts a lot of the previous movies and they all contradict each other but that one does it in the most glaring ways we've done an episode on it uh-huh and but maybe now we have a fresh perspective no i don't this is the same shit i said but i just remember that trailer like we're finally going to get the future war yeah and but it's all in daytime because you know they talk about how you know that we only fight at night and john connor knows that as well and it's also

the fact that everyone thinks john connor's this savior and that's the prophecy But the only one who knows that, who had that information was John Connor. So he must have spread that rumour. That's very true, isn't it? Yeah. Because when you think Terminator 2, when you think this guy's the, he's the saviour of humanity, it's because he started this grassroots effort. Yes. And word spread that way.

And here he answers to Michael Ironside in a submarine. It's true. true like you know and i guess this was also the return of the grim and gritty terminator universe whereas the the third one was a cartoon it was a cartoon rom-com basically that's true yeah but i i just i don't know and even things like like the terminator facility it's got like access buttons because it's like why would it why would a machine build a facility like this that a human can access why are you putting john connor in a room and you're gonna gas him or whatever you just lure him to location location and you hit him with a nuke yeah that's all you do exactly but i liked like stuff like because of the changes in time they've moved up the t800 production yeah that's happening before it should have i really like the idea that in this universe But I liked stuff like, because of the changes in time, they've moved up the T-800 production.

Yeah. That's happening before it should have. I really like the idea that in this universe, I guess the only through line that I like in this universe is that it's not that nuclear war is inevitable. Yeah. It's that they're all caught in this time. Maybe that's why I like Terminator Genisys.

Yeah. Not because you're a dummy. I mean, it is because I're a dummy i mean it is because i'm a dummy but also because the invention of time travel has ruined this entire plane of existence right because now that time travel is how people just keep sending people back yeah more and more and it just keeps cracking this timeline yeah and there's and by five who knows what's happening and that's why that's very true who knows what's happening? That's very true. Who knows what's happening? I enjoyed five because I'm like, who knows what's happening?

Why is one guy receiving weird dreamlike prophecies of what's going to happen in the future? Because the timeline's ruined. That's why. Because you sent too many guys back. Everybody sent too many guys back. Too many guys. Too many bad sperms and guys.

Exactly. Got another one? At what point do you think the M. Night Shyamalan oeuvre was ruined? At what point do you think they went bad? I think there were signs with the one set in the woods. Very good. The village. Very clever.

Which one do you hate the most? And what order did they come in? I think Unbreakable was disappointing for me. I know everybody loves it, but I hate... I don't even know if i've ever seen it all the way through what a lot of people call that their favorite shamalan movie i don't because it's his take on superheroes mason no good why isn't it good it's no good because a powerful hero needs a more powerful villain and the idea in this one is is that Bruce Willis' character is super strong, but Samuel L. Jackson's villain is super smart.

Yes. But he's also a man who is made of glass. Like, he's incredibly fragile. Yeah. And so he's not a threat in any way. Doesn't he just go to jail at the end? At the end, he goes to jail in a title card. Like, and he went to jail for all the murders he did or whatever and it's also it's in it's a superhero movie written by somebody who doesn't know anything about superheroes i feel

or has this surface level appreciation of superheroes or maybe doesn't maybe maybe doesn't even like superheroes right but it's, I think superheroes are going to be big, so I'll just write one. That's how it felt to me. Because Bruce Willis' character not only is indestructible and is super strong and what have you, he also has this weird ESP ability. I don't remember.

Well, he can sense if a person's dangerous. He can sense that a man has a gun on him. Like it's this ESP ability, but Samuel Jackson's character doesn't have anything like that. Like the opposite of that. He doesn't have the opposite. He's got the opposite in the sense that he can't tell if someone's got a gun on them. Oh,

well then he's, that's how that works. That's the rules of the universe. that is the rules of the universe. Okay. I see what you mean. So he doesn't have a, some kind of absurd power.

Yeah. He needs, he needs a super, he needs a, cause that, the idea of being. Like a force field. I see what you mean. So he doesn't have some kind of absurd power also. Yeah, he needs a super... He needs a... Because the idea being... Like a force field. Like a big... I don't know, anything. Yeah.

Like a cloaking device or something. If one's got ESP, the other needs a... Oh, he needs a gun. Because then he'll be like, you've got a gun. He's like, I do have a gun. A gun. You might equal it every way. Because the opposite of having a gun is not having a gun.

That's so true. Yeah, okay, fair enough. But is that where the wheels fell off for you, for him? Yes, it is, yeah. See, I think Signs is... Because past that point I didn't commit to any Shyamalan. I didn't see any Shyamalan movies at the movies after that. You saw Signs though eventually, I assume?

No, I haven't seen Signs. Signs has got a lot of good stuff in it. Obviously, you know, the ending with the water and whatever. It's not very good. Because they're aliens that invade. They're aliens that are allergic to water and they invade a planet that is mostly water. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, okay, sure.

Yeah, that's right. So I think the village for me when it turned out that like it's set in the modern day and whatever. I was like, oh, that's kind of shit and then i didn't see lady in the water and i didn't see last airbender and i didn't see the one he that came out earlier this year the horror movie one that he did yeah so i just stopped seeing his movies so i'd like to you know i'm sure apparently the last one wasn't terrible what about devil the devil in the Elevator? He wrote that and Devil is dumb, but it's kind of great. In what sense?

It's fun. It's because the devil's in the elevator. Okay, sure. Right. So in the end, the devil was in the elevator. Spoiler alert. Okay. Just checking.

But they only do that in a title card. By the way, the devil was in the elevator. It was this guy. It was Bruce. But no, I don't want to spoil that movie. I think it's certainly not. And he wrote it as well. He didn't direct it.

What else we got, Mason? What about the spirit? I got five minutes into the spirit. Oh, yeah, me too. See, exactly. We were there. Well, we can't really talk about it then. But it was bad.

We didn't like it. Did you end up seeing Sin City 2? No, I still have it. I might even have it somewhere. I have it. It's on this iPad that I'm using right now. You've said that a few times, haven't you? Exactly.

It's there if I run out of content. But I will never because how could I? It's impossible now. Yeah. I'd rather just stare at a blank wall. You know what I mean? I do want to see it. Me too.

I am interested. Yeah. But that movie's like nine years too late, man. But I mean, the spirit, because he's an iconic character that is unknown to the world. So it's disappointing that this was so kind of just kind of weak yeah it's a week and it's it's against it looks like a frank miller movie but it shouldn't be it should be a spirit movie okay right because like because i like just do it like sin city yeah because like will eisner's uh like artistic style is so different to that. It's its own thing, and it was so groundbreaking at the time.

That's why the Eisner Award is named after him, because he was so groundbreaking and forward-thinking at the time. Cool. And to just go, eh, just make it like a Frank Miller movie. Eh, just make it Sin City, who cares? Sin City was hot, just make it like Sin City, who cares? And you had a hand in that, didn't you? Yeah, just do that

just do that it's fine I think they greatly exaggerated they greatly overestimated Frank Miller's involvement in the first Sin City yeah

they clearly went well it's pretty much co-directed let's see what he does make a bad film yeah maybe

I haven't seen it not exactly we've talked about the Iron Man sequels yep pretty disappointing do we need to bang on about that nah alright I feel most of this podcast I haven't seen it. Not exactly. We've talked about the Iron Man sequels. Yep. Pretty disappointing.

Do we need to bang on about that? Nah. All right. I feel most of this podcast is us talking about how bad the Iron Man sequels were. Sure. Some good stuff in them. Race car track sequence. Where they shoot his house with helicopters.

He throws a piano at one of the helicopters. Yes. That's pretty good that is pretty good uh spider-man 3 we've talked about that is what it is yeah what about quantum of solace very disappointing at the time yeah on the back of casino real having gone back and watched it it's better than i remember and it works if you watch casino real and then you watch quantum of solace really soon after it works as like one big movie if you say so disagree but alright

it's nowhere near as good as Casino Royale absolutely and he fights a little frog man at the end we've talked about this as well oh that's right yeah and they have to give the little frog man a crowbar yeah or an axe or something just so it's a fair fight it's not a two second fight because you think who's the guy behind the sheaf yeah it's

a frogman but then specter's also behind all of them and it's his brother yeah yeah see that that whole everything after casino royale was just what do we have the rights to all right let's do that like that's why that's why why Quantum only exists in those movies because they didn't have the rights to Spectre. Yeah. And then once they got it back, they're like, eh, Quantum. Yeah. It's a subsidiary.

Who cares? Which do you hate more, Batman Forever or Batman and Robin? Or you can say Batman Returns. I do hate Batman Returns. I know you do. But look, I think Batman Forever is a slightly better film, but it's still not good. That was a crushing disappointment to me.

I much prefer Batman and Robin. Because it's so stupid. Because it's so stupid, exactly. Speaking of Batman 66, they went full Batman 66. They really did. How did they get there so quickly? They went from Burton to that. That's amazing.

But I mean, the Burton Batman movies are very camp. Oh, they are. They've just got grim lighting. But I think, but Batman Forever, just... What did you think going in? What were you expecting? Comic book Batman, I assume. Like that 90s era Batman where he's fighting Bane and...

Yeah, I guess that's true. Whatever that. And in retrospect, none of that was any good. So I'm not sure why I expected good things. But it was just... Very neon. Very neon. I didn't like...

The villains? Yeah, I didn't like the villains. I didn't like Riddler's... I didn't like Riddler's weird origin that he's... Oh, that he was jealous of Bruce Wayne so he gets his haircut. And then he had a weird... He put the machine on his head and... The TV would rid your mind or whatever.

Yeah, none of that. He's just a guy with a weird obsessive compulsive disorder to leave riddles. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Not a man who invents a TV that could suck your brain out or whatever.

Exactly, yeah. I also think Tommy Lee Jones is flat out terrible in that movie. Apparently he it through his son but i think he also went oh nicholson did it and he got a pretty good oh i see and then he just does nicholson's joker yeah and it's like the makeup because it's like the the two faces like you could put a ruler down that i hate a symmetrical face i hate it yeah and works in like, say, Batman 66 because that's... Yeah. The kind of, you know,

but in this weird, weird, weird... Was there a 66 two-face? Yeah, there is now. Yeah. They were going to put him in and Clint Eastwood, they were trying to get Clint Eastwood to do it.

Huh. Yeah, I think he's in the comic, yeah. Right. Actually, it looks pretty cool. He's a TV... I think he might be a newsreader and he gets... And a TV set explodes

in his face or something. Oh, so not Harvey Dent anymore? I think he's still Harvey Dent. Oh, he's in a TV set explodes in his face or something oh so not Harvey Dent anymore I think he's still Harvey Dent oh he's TV reporter Harvey Dent okay yeah something like that I could very well be wrong I remember the bit doesn't he

the safe fills with acid and he's in a safe and the helicopter's dragging it or something correct yes is that any good no okay

no it's real bad Drew Barrymore's in it he's got two two faces he's got two henchmen, or hench ladies, and one's like a dark one and one's an angel. Is that right? And also subpar love interest in Nicole Kidman.

Very poor. Very poor. I love the way that- Also, he murders Two-Face at the end by throwing a whole bunch of coins at him. He does. It's so good. But also, do you know the bit where,

you said the bit where Robert attacks him in the street? He's like, I hate you, Batman. And he's just like, ineffectively like slapping on his chest in the street. And Batman's just like, stop. What are you doing? You know what Batman and Robin does do well? What's that?

It sort of does an interesting job of driving the wedge between batman and robin not the poison ivy thing that's shit but being like why won't you let me why don't you trust me more uh-huh sure like i like that aspect of it like that you know the dick grayson really has to earn his trust and the only way he can end up doing it is by breaking free yeah and then from that he does like bruce wayne sees him as an equal probably not really but all right but yeah but i so i think some of that's okay but no they're both bad movies when we get a new batman movie yeah do you want a robin in it well we're gonna dead robin yeah yeah i'll

take a robin yeah yeah like a proper one yeah yeah do you wanna do you wanna do you wanna skip ahead to damian wayne yes or who's the new one they got the moment or do you want to do you want to do you want to skip ahead to damian wayne yes or who's the new one they got the moment or do you want to carry kelly no i want a tim drake you know what i would like maybe because we don't know like how many robins he's been through since jason todd at least i would like to see maybe we discover he discovers he's got an illegitimate son in damian wayne yeah yeah that's the the new Robin. But in another city we have... Like, I'd like to see a Nightwing. Yeah, totally.

But also maybe a Red Robin. Right, okay. I love... Have you seen the Red Robin suit? Yeah, yeah, it's super cool. It's got the wings. Yeah, it's pretty great. I really want to see Nightwing.

Yeah, me too. Man, that... Get Chris O'Donnell back. That's right. Fine. Just anybody. So good, yeah. There was rumours that Adam Driver was going to be Nightwing at one point.

That's right, yeah. I don't know if that entirely works. He could probably do it. It doesn't work. It's got the hair for it. But he's not pretty enough. Yeah, right. He needs to be very pretty.

Who do you cast? Who do you go? Some people thought that Scott Eastwood from Suicide Squad was going to turn. Who did I suggest was going to be? Who did I suggest would be a good Captain Marvel? Remember that guy? He's got the hair he's from Supernatural.

It's that guy. Oh one of the Winchesters. Yeah one of the Winchesters. Sam Winchester. Yep good. High wing. Jared Pabalecki. Yeah he would be great.

What about Armie Hammer? Yeah okay that would work too. He'd be a good Shazam. I think somebody actually suggested that. Somebody suggested that on Twitter yeah. It's a good one.

Thank you that person. That's enough casting Mason. Thank you we did it. Let's talk about Superman Returns and how you hate it. A lot of these are sequels, have you noticed? Yeah. Because you expect a lot of them.

And yet we're always disappointed. I'm sure we've done a worse sequels episode. Yes, we have. We've probably done this exactly. And a worse threequels. Yeah, we have too. Yeah. All right.

Here's a question for you, though. I mean, I know you don't like Superman Returns because it's boring and whatever. It's boring and see if you turn to hate it. Were you disappointed with the Dark Knight Returns? Rises. Yes, I was. Why? Weaker villain.

Yeah, that's true. The thing about the pit, which we've mentioned before. I haven't re-watched it in a really long time. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. Did you enjoy, though, how he got to retire? I did, actually, yeah.

So you didn't hate it? No, I didn't hate it. I just didn't, I nothinged it, I guess. Yeah, I think it's, I came out of that being like pretty good. Good enough. Overall, when I think about the Nolanverse, the Nolan Batman universe, he didn't really do a lot of Batmanning when you think about it. He did very little Batmanning.

He took on the Scarecrow, then the Joker. Then he retired. Then he retired. And then he retired. That's not a lot of Batman-ing. And also he did, like the Dark Knight is set like eight months after Batman begins. Because he gets the Joker card or something like eight months or six months. So he's been Batman for that period of time.

That's true. Yeah. And then they're like, who was that legend? They went like, who was that weird guy who ran around for eight months? He was around for a few months, yeah. That's right. And they're like, is he coming back? Was it those guys just wearing all the hockey gear?

Was it just those overweight guys just running around just shooting people? Was it the guy? I think it was probably a mistake to kind of retire him under those circumstances. They could have at least said, yeah, he did it for a few more years and then he packed it in because he was pretty sad or he's a drunk. But again, I do like the idea of Batman eventually retiring and he's happy because that's nice sometimes, isn't it? But he never gets it, Mason.

Nope, never. Except for this movie. What else have we got? You know, when i was just thinking about the other day he just came to me and i'm like boy that makes me mad hangover 2 yeah it's real bad i hated it three's even worse well i see that's the thing i gave up i think it's a good sign for bad movies if the sequel i'm like like with the shamalans i'm just like never again well three is but as i understand it three is... As I understand it, three is basically just...

Isn't it just kind of like a weird thriller more than it is a comedy? I have seen it and I really hated it. I've just got to remember what happens in it. So three is worse. Yeah. Yeah. Because two is one. Two is exactly the same.

Like, it is so cynically and shamelessly the first one, but they've just done a find and replace on the script. They went find and replace baby with monkey yep and find and replace whoever goes missing with a different whoever goes missing

who goes missing in the third one I don't someone does and there's a lot of that Asian gangster guy and he's insufferable sure yeah

I really like that actor and I love him in community but he's not a fun character Chang is his name in it no that's Senor Chang from community oh right it is too yeah and I love him in Community, but he's not a fun character. Chang? Is his name in it? No, that's Senor Chang from Community. Oh, right.

It is too. Yeah. I think it might be Chow. It might be. Yeah. Not bad. I hate him. Just, ugh.

I really- So, and I kept going, every beat of that, I'm like, this is, I think I looked around the center like, can you believe this? Can you believe this? And they couldn't believe it. Yeah. Because the first one appeals to everyone. Yeah. I think it's a good comedy. And they're sitting there like, can you believe this? Can you believe this? And they couldn't believe it. Because the first one appeals to everyone. Yeah.

I think it's a good comedy. Yeah, the script-wise it appeals because people who... Bros love it. Bros, look, normal people love it because they're like, I can't believe these people are so horrible. Yeah. And bros are like, these guys are having the best time of their lives. Vegas, baby. Vegas, baby.

But then the sequel just, ugh. Yeah, baby. Vegas, baby. Then the sequel just, ugh. Yeah, absolutely. Makes me sad. I should watch three. You said after the first Hangover came out, you said this is now going to be every dickhead's favorite movie. Yeah. Yeah.

And I was right because it was mine for quite some time. That's right. Everyone's got a wolf pack. Yeah. Do you want me to read through some listener ones? Sure, please. I took a bunch off Twitter. Yeah. Do you want me to read through some listener ones? Sure, please. I took a bunch off Twitter. This is from...

How did you have time? I'm just such a busy man. I love getting about. Yeah. This is from Rue. Unbreakable. Thank you. Buddy told you.

Sorry. No. Unbreakable tie between drangable evolution, which is terrible. You've seen that one? I have. How did you commit to seeing that? Did you see it at the movies? No, I was living in Africa.

Wow. And even then. Do you remember how I sent you one where they sell the packets of bootlegged DVDs on the street? Oh, that's right. I sent you the Nicolas Cage films collection. You did? Where is that, I wonder?

You haven't. Yeah, I know, right? But it's literally like cammed movies that they kind of pile onto one disc and then sell. So that's how I saw that movie because I heard it was real bad. And it was real bad. And that just, it screws up the lore. And I like Dragon Ball Z a lot. I'm the biggest fan, as you know.

Is that ongoing? Like, is that still happening? It's happening at the moment. They just did a new season called something. And do they reboot the continuity every time? Or is it still? They rebooted the GT stuff. What does that mean?

They did Dragon Ball Z, and then they did Dragon Ball GT, which is not as good by any stretch. They're different continuities. Yeah, so now there's a new one where instead of turning into a monkey, he's got blue hair or something. I haven't seen it. Okay, great. I've heard it's okay.

Yeah, okay. So a tie between Dragon Ball Evolution and Green Lantern kicks my dreams right in the sack equally hard. Yeah, they're both not good. I would say Green greenland's better than dragon ball evolution great put that on your posters dc there you go did you think disappointment wise do you think did you think greenland was going to be good though i initially thought it was going to be bad did you think sorry did you think dragon ball

no i didn't think it was going to be good and And then I heard it wasn't good. And then I saw it and it wasn't good. Green Lantern, I thought was going to be good. No, going to be bad. And then I saw more of the trailers. I'm like, maybe. And then it was bad. Yeah. This is from Aman.

I thought the last two Hunger Games movies were disappointing. No need for two films. Can't argue with that. It's from Oscar. The Hobbit trilogy. Could have been great, but it ended up as a boring art draw and CGI mess. Cool dragons, though. Cool dragon, though.

That is true. It's a good dragon. Nine, Iron Man 2 and 3, and especially Skyline. Got a few from Skyline. Remember the trailer for Skyline? It's sucking people up. The blue light. It's a giant ship over the city.

No. Yeah. It was Skyline. Yeah. Was that the one? Was like it was like a military team no no that was you're thinking of the one with aaron egghart yeah uh city city alien city boys yeah i remember it yeah uh this is uh from joker uh the last airbender i mean how could you fuck up so bad with such great source material?

A lot of people hate that movie. I still got to get around to watching the cartoon, which is apparently amazing. This is from Ali Lavhe. I don't know how you say that, but she does great animations, actually. People should check her out. You've probably seen one. She's been on Honest Trailers, how it should have ended.

She's done some stuff for them. It's great. I feel Pixar's Brave is as high up there it wasn't so bad as much as people really expected a breathtaking Pixar experience I've heard that about Brave

it's just an an okay animated movie it doesn't feel like a Pixar movie well that's that's the perils of Pixar isn't it

if it's not the best movie ever people are like what are you doing with yourself did you see Finding Dory I haven't seen it yet no? Did you see Finding Dory? I haven't seen it yet, no. Okay.

Did you see it? Will you? Yeah, eventually, yeah. I don't care. No, I don't care either. Do we have to love every Pixar movie? I feel... We have to love it, Mason. Oh.

And you love Brave. No, I love The Incredibles. Yeah, it's real good. And that's about it. You don't love Toy Stories? Look, they're fine. Do you love Monsters, Inc.? No.

Monsters University? No. Up? No. Look, again, their movies are- First five minutes of Up is amazing. But again, I guess so, but I don't- I guess it's-

Ratatouille's great. Yeah, fine. But they're not movies that I would watch. They're not movies that I would watch out of interest. Yeah. Like, if somebody's like, hey, let's go to this i'll see them yeah but i'll never watch them again okay they're not rewatchable for me at all i don't know why well you they never are yeah you've really done it mason thank you i'm gonna have to edit this out because you're gonna

get so much hate don't worry i definitely will great that's a right Who else do I hate then You can I'll just Let me just say all the people And That I hate This is a safe Unrecorded space Oh great

Then I'll just Okay good That's from Mark Wild Wild West stood out As my most hated film For a long time Really disappointed The song was better

That is true That's true it was yeah That disappointed a lot of people Cause that That was kind of like well he's riding high off men in black and yeah he's going to this great new franchise kevin klein's in it there's a robot spider at the end yeah and also a man with spider legs yeah that i can get that i saw from rob alien versus predator the only way someone could fuck up an idea like

that is to do it on purpose yeah i i don't think they're good you like the second one though don't you i do yeah i think alien versus predator is a more coherent movie than prometheus i'm not saying it's a better movie yeah but it's more coherent it makes more sense i i would agree yeah and it has lance hendrickson the stakes are smaller yes i mean small there's not a big rolly ship. Yeah. And it's got a queen, which I appreciate. This is from Average Meme.

Eragon, based on the books, I was expecting a huge dragon epic. Got a poorly acted, overdramatic turd. Remember that one? Did that come out immediately post Lord of the Rings? Yes. Yeah, see, that's why. Nah. Didn't say it?

No. Me neither. Some Troy. Cowboys and Aliens. Seriously, see, that's why... Nah. Didn't say it? No. Me neither. Some Troy. Cowboys and Aliens. Seriously, it was about Cowboys versus Aliens with Craig and Ford. It should have ruled. Instead, it sucked.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. I don't know if it sucked. I just didn't... Have you seen that? Cowboys and Aliens? No, I haven't, no. Yeah, it's okay. Alright.

That's also from Nilesh, Mr. Nino on Twitter. He's given us a huge list sweet almost like he had it ready like ready to go already he's just like every time i see a disappointing movie i'm putting it in here he's a cowboys and aliens uh he also said uh ghostwriter and ghostwriter spirit of vengeance wrong spirit of vengeance is great you can't be disappointed by it it's a guy with his head on fire i haven't seen it couldn Couldn't tell you, mate. That's good. Yeah. What about, here we got, this is from NR underscore Toyed.

Pirates of the Caribbean at World's End, which is the third one. Uh-huh. I want to say, yeah, second one's Dead Man's Chest. Uh-huh. Yeah. No, that isn't a good one, is it?

Only the first one is a good one. Correct. And maybe the fourth one. That's fine. Sure. Yeah. What else we got one. That's fine. Sure. Yeah. What else we got? Also, how many are there?

I don't know. If I'm honest with you, I don't know. It's four or five, right? There is, yeah, four. And they're currently fifth ones on the way. A movie called Ben. Yeah, actually,

this guy's very active on Twitter. I appreciate you, Ben. Also, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, purely because of its lack of watchability, it's really slowed the second time. I've actually watched that a second time. Is that the first one? Rise' first one.

Dawn's sequel. I remember really liking it. I might have to check that out to see how it goes. What have we got here? So, Christian Williams, who I don't know if you've probably seen some of his videos. He does Captain Christian, the YouTube channel. He does really insightful videos. I don't watch anything

really insightful I just watch monster trucks just leaping over things you might have accidentally seen this but like one of them is Superman the Golden Age

of Animation did you ever see that no I'll check it out you've got to see it tweet it at me the one he did he did Jurassic Park one recently

he did Watchmen Adapting the Unadaptable where he talks about how oh yes you did you've tweeted that I didn't watch it I thought about it it's really good and it makes me go I was like did Watchmen Adapting the Unadaptable, where he talks about how- Oh, yes, you did. You've tweeted that. I didn't watch it, but I thought about it. Yeah, it's really good.

And it makes me go- I was like, this is an investment of time. I'll do it later. But it also made me go, that movie I like, maybe it's not so good. Oh, no. But no, very insightful, really good editing. Yeah, he's a good bloke too. Zoe, Age of Ultron.

A lot of people, Age of Ultron. Yeah, it was just an okay film. Agreed. Nalbus. Any film that doesn't have a character that says the title of the film in the film. Thank you. You love that.

I do love that. This is my last one. I've also got a list here. It's from Christian. Every Terminator sequel after T2, which you mentioned. Every DC you've filmed thus far. Star Wars 1, 2, and 3.

Dark Knight Rises. Crystal Skull. Watchmen. Watchmenman is divisive isn't it yeah yeah i maintain it's the best that anyone could have done probably not anyone but it's yeah no i'd agree with that yeah no it's it is what it is but it's interesting because he mentions in the in the in the video captain christian how things like they change ozymandias's outfit because in the in the comics he Captain Christian, how things like they changed Ozymandias' outfit. Because in the comics, he reflects Egyptian mythology and the pharaohs of old and whatever, because he's obsessed with it. And then Zack Snyder just went,

wouldn't it be funny if I just gave him a Joel Schumacher bat suit with nipples? Right, yeah, that's true. Well, I guess, and also, one of the letdowns for me in that movie is that Ozymandias is so clearly the bad guy the whole time. Yes, that's right. And in the comics, he's a man who wants he you know you don't just i was gonna say spoil everybody's

read it very surely right it's very old i'm not i'm not spoiling it yeah um yeah he's got more nuance in the in the comic books and in this they're like clearly somebody either zack snyder or the the uh producers are like we need a bad guy in this. Yeah. We don't need any shades of grey. We want black and white. We need a bad guy. Yeah.

So it's going to be Ozymandias. Also take out all the pirate stuff, if you could. If you could. Yeah. But then bring it all back in a weird motion comic where one guy does all the voices. Gerard Butler? I don't think so.

Is it? Might be. Surely not. Yeah. Wow. You can look into that if you want. Okay. But I think that think so. Is it? Might be. Surely not. Yeah. Wow. You can look into that if you want. Okay. But I think that's it.

You got anything else? No, that'll do it. All right. Good stuff. If you've got a most disappointing film, tweet at us. Yeah. We'd love to hear it. And it doesn't have to be a bad movie.

It can just be a movie that didn't kind of live up to expectations. That's true. A lot of these, most of these aren't bad movies. Some of them are very bad movies. Some of them are very bad movies. Some of them are very bad movies. You're very forgiving, I feel, of bad movies.

I am. Yeah. And maybe, I don't know, why is that? But I do get criticized for that. Because you're a suck up. Yeah,

maybe I am. But I do get criticized for that, but I don't, I don't, I can't muster the hate. Yeah, okay. I just don't have that in me.

I feel I can muster the hate very easily. Like, I'm not like, could have been murdered. I'm just like, that sucks and it's okay like who cares like i i would feel bad for like if somebody made like an like an indie movie yeah and it was bad i'd be like you know it's not great but good on him for trying but if it's a big mainstream you know big old big old multi hundred million dollar movie i'm fine to be like that sucks all individually i'm sure everybody worked very hard at it yeah the end result is a thing that

sucked yeah i'm happy to say that it sucked you're probably right maybe i should be more like that nah yeah now do you think but also i go in waves like there were years like when i was younger i'm sure i was like this sucks and that sucks and whatever. Now I'm just like, whatever. There was some good bits, but you know, whatever. That's my reaction to most things. Yeah. Yeah. Which I know it doesn't make a very compelling criticism, but what do you do, man? That's true.

We're not film critics. No. Or we are. What are we doing here? Who knows? Nah. If we were film critics, we'd be on Rotten Tomatoes. Good point.

Yeah. How's that application going? I lost it. Okay. Yeah. Is that a dream of ours? I don't want to be on that. I don't want to be certified.

No, and also we'd have to be able to say quotable things. Oh, we're not good at that. All that quotable stuff is dumb stuff. Yeah. To be a good critic, I think you need to be able to... Good critics speak in pull quotes and they speak in quotable lines. So even if the review is bad or good, you can take out a chunk of it and be like, okay, this is something you can put on a poster.

We don't speak like that. No, we don't. We're like, what about the scene with the guy? That was all right, wasn't it? Do you think people submit their own quotes for that? Like critics would have to submit their reviews, I presume. And so they'd have to be like, use this. I reckon they probably... Because I'm sure Rotten Tomatoes isn't reading all of those reviews

and being like, that's a great quote. Maybe they do. Maybe they do. Yeah. It's a lot of reviews, though. Do we know anybody who works here for Rotten Tomatoes? First of all, makers critics, don't do that. Second of all, let us know what the process is i'd be fascinated to know if this i'm

sure they're very open about it yeah yeah i love how people get angry at them though like rotten tomatoes are ruining movies they're an aggregate they're not ruining anything i guess maybe you would send if you if you want if you had a positive i'd imagine there are a lot of people who do very positive reviews of movies yeah and. And then they will send it to the movie studio and they'll subtly make the font larger in the quotes that they want to use. Right, yeah, absolutely, yeah. Just like how if you're writing an essay

in like high school or uni, you'd make the font one point larger so it looks like you've written more. They just... Make the spacing that little bit bigger, yeah. They just slightly bold it or like italicize it and then be like, there you go. What do you reckon about that?

Maybe take something out of that. I don't know. I'm not a guy who just really wishes there was a quote of mine on a movie poster. I don't know. There are definitely film critics that do that. There are definitely film critics. That is also true.

Do you put your weight... This is a whole other conversation, but do you put your... How dare you mention my weight? Do you put your weight in other... In certain film critics or but do you put your... How dare you mention my weight? Do you put your weight in certain film critics or Rotten Tomatoes in general? Who do you go to? Oh, that's a good question. I'm trying to think of... You'd obviously turn to me, obviously.

Yeah. I think I've got a... If you're looking for indifference, I'm your man. I think I've got a pretty good handle on whether a movie's going to be good or not. Yeah, I'd agree with that. You know who I've just discovered? And I don't know what the internet's consensus of him is generally got have you seen the movie bob okay yeah he's a guy he's a guy on the youtubes and he does a he's he's very

like he's very uh i would have given like the given the thumbnails you see of his reviews i was like i'm gonna hate this guy because he's like he's always making big gestures and he's wearing sunglasses in the clip and i'm like i'm gonna hate this guy's gonna this guy's gonna have some very loud opinions but he's very he's a great he's very even-handed see i i don't always find him even-handed okay well i've only seen like three reviews yeah fair enough yeah and there's a lot of people that flat out hate that bloke okay i don't i don't have anything to do with him. Yep. He's very divisive. Yeah. And he's also, he hates DC. I'm not saying because he's a whatever. He just, like you or a lot of other people,

you're just not really sold on. Okay, sure. Maybe that's why you love him. You're playing two peas in the pod. Yeah, two peas in the pod. Two haters. The Onion AV Club, I also think is good. Okay.

My favourite, I never go there. I should check that out. Yeah, it's great. My favourite is by far Mark Kermode never go there. I should check that out. Yeah, it's great. My favorite is by far Mark Kermode, the BBC's flagship film reviewing program. Love it. Is he sometimes on the weekly Mayo, our rival podcast? He might be. I think that might be something else.

Which is Mayo Reviews. Yeah. But I don't always agree with him, but I always find him really insightful, really even-handed. He's not a big, loud, shouty guy like I sometimes could be or whatever. I just, I don't know. I think to me, that is the guy.

Speaking of the Onion AV Club, there's a series on that, which I enjoy quite a lot. It's called We're Number Ones. Yeah. And it's basically, they go through a whole bunch of like number one albums and singles of the past. Yeah.

And sort of go the history of how that happened. Okay. So it's, you know, it's sometimes, you know, to be classic, like, you know, like Alanis Morissette's Jagged Little Pill or something like that. Or, like, some one-hit wonder. Right. Like some single that became a number one.

They climbed to the top and then. And then disappeared. Yeah. And it's kind of like his. Then they, like, talk to people behind it and producers and the top and then, and then disappeared. And it's kind of like, here's that. And they like talk to people behind it and producers and publicists and all that sort of stuff and kind of get to the bottom of all these. It's really good. Yeah.

Check it out. Great. I mean, not right now. No, that sounds really good. How did Jagger Little Pill start? Something to do with Dave Cooley,

I wish I would have. Yeah. He's behind a lot of stuff. All right, Mason. Yeah. It's time for our famous segment. What right, Mason. You know what it's time for? Oh, our famous segment. What are we reading?

What are we going to read? I'm doing the thing. What are we reading today? What would you read? What I read this week is what I watched is the first Harry Potter movie for our famous oh no no I after you said

hey let's do greatest movie disappointments I'm like well I may as well get one of these in the can as it were how was it so you know what I didn't hate it as much

as I thought I would which is to say I still hated it but not as much yeah and also I didn't see it this is the first time I've seen it

not in cinemas so you saw that in cinema yeah there's no way This is the first time I've seen it not in cinemas. You saw that in cinema? Yeah. There's no way you saw the first Harry Potter movie in cinema. No, I think I did. In like 2001 or 2000. Maybe you did. I think maybe I saw it with someone who was super keen on Harry Potter stuff.

Yeah. But this time around, not in the theatre so I could yell at the screen, which is much better. Like maybe that took a lot of the tension out because I could be like, Ron, get off the horse. You'll be fine if you just get off the chess piece and you'll be fine. Why? There's no reason for you to be on the chess piece as the other chess piece

smashes the chair. Just get off it. God, Ron, you're an idiot. You're such an idiot. He is an idiot. You know what I'm talking about. I know exactlyon you're an idiot you're such an idiot you know what i'm talking about i know exactly what you're talking about so anyway when we inevitably do our harry potter episode i i've got one in the bag already excellent good stuff sounds like you've got a lot of opinions yeah also i'm gonna watch because um last week or a couple weeks ago we meant we i did my famous segment minigun minutes. A lot of people have tweeted at me that I should watch the movie Hardcore Henry.

Oh, I'm going to get rid of that. Good minigun scene in that. And that is the movie that is filmed entirely in the first person perspective. Correct. Which I get the sense is going to annoy me and it's not going to be a good movie, but it'll be a fun novelty for like 20 minutes. And the minigun. And the minigun, yeah.

Maybe I'll skip to the minigun. Absolutely. A lot of people watched The Tick this week, which I haven't got around with peter serafinovich yeah because it's on amazon video yeah we can't get amazon video here i mean we could we have we have other means i've heard it i couldn't tell i'd have to look into it yeah i'd have to browse if you could if you could browse the net to find a way to me to get if someone could start a thread on the weekly planet reddit on how I could find that particular episode, I want it as complicated as possible, please.

But yeah, no, I'm interested to see what it's like. I don't, from the clips that I've seen, I'm like, I don't know if I'm 100% on board for this. But I'll have to see. Are you keen for it? Yeah, I am actually. Yeah. I quite like, I mean, I really loved the cartoon series as a kid.

Me too. And then later I... The Patrick Warburton. The Patrick Warburton live action series. I saw some of that. And also some of the comic books back in the day. Because the last time I checked, it was kind of hard to find digital copies of all the original comics.

I mean, with comiXology now, maybe it's all out there. What are you, bloody in the pocket of big comiXology, mate? We should be, shouldn't we? Yeah, fine. I'd love it. Right? We're not nerdists, though, so you know what I mean? But that's all really great.

Yeah, cool. I don't know. What version? Do we know, like, what other heroes? Is it just him and Arthur? It seems that way, initially, at least. Okay, right. Yeah, who knows?

Yeah. It's a bloody mystery. You know what I did read this Arthur? It seems that way, initially at least. Okay, right. Who knows? It's a bloody mystery. You know what I did read this week? What's that? A short story called Story of Your Life. And it's the short story based... The Arrival. The Arrival, exactly. Because it's one of those things where...

I love a bloody sci-fi short story. Sure. And especially when a movie's coming out. I'm like, oh, what's all this about? I'll read the bloody thing. But no, I really enjoyed it. It's definitely more cerebral and it's about how language changes like the way your thought processes

and communication and linguistics and mathematics and physics. I know I'm not selling it to you. I did start yawning. I really enjoyed it. And they've clearly made some changes for the movie to be like, that might be a nuclear war or whatever.

But I am very interested to see the movie now to see that might be a nuclear war or whatever but i'm interested i am very interested to to see the movie now to see what they've kept and what they haven't is there an m night shamalan style twist yeah there's there's some kind of twists and turns along the way but it's not like what a revelation this isn't it's just like that's a really interesting idea okay sure that you've unfolded there and then looking back you're like oh you totally telegraphed that like oh okay sure so so look out for it folks get ready for it yeah but no i i'd that you've unfolded there. And then looking back, you're like, oh, you totally telegraphed that all the way through. So look out for it, folks. Look out.

Get ready for it. But no, I'd recommend that if you love a sci-fi story. Yeah. Cool, man. I've got one here from Parker Cross. Hello, Parker. I should do this more often. Yeah.

We include a What We're Reading from a listener. A listener What We're Reading. Just saw Cuba on the two strings and couldn't recommend the movie more. Fantastic. I've heard that's amazing. What is it about? It's like this stop motion.

It's like a claymation. No, sort of, but it's, I can't even, I don't, I can't really explain the style. It's like a Japanese animation.

It's made by a Western. Do you ever see the one about the kid who brings his dog back to life? Frankenweenie. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's that studio. That's a great movie, by the way. Well well that's a tim burton original like he invented he created that story right like pre like edward scissorhands and all that sort of stuff that's

an idea he came up with and then oh didn't it yeah it wasn't yeah it was a short story i mean not a short story like a bloody what's it called a short short that he did, yeah. Yeah, they did Coralie, Box Trolls, Corpse Bride, which I didn't see, but... Because it looks shit. It's not good. I'm trying to find out if it is that bloody, if they did do that movie as well. No, sorry, they did Paranorman.

Oh, yeah, okay. Which is really good. All right. Maybe they didn't do that Burton one. But Paranorman's really great. If you say so. I do say so. All right, God.

Anyway, watch the trailer, see if you like it. I will. Okay, cool. Are you ready for another segment, Mason? I hope you are, because this is the time to get this... great if you say so i do say so my god anyway watch the trailer see if you like it okay cool are you ready for another segment mason i hope you are because this is the time to get this show on the road maybe let's get it moving okay this is where it's at wi-fi i'm blaming your wi-fi that's not your fault obviously Some letters They're only a take away I got it here right now We're gonna do letters That's not your fault, obviously Letters

Because somebody's watching Gilmore Girls in the other room And by that I mean I was watching Gilmore Girls and I left it on That's not true, actually I don't hate that show I thought I would Yeah And

But then it turned out Sean Gunn's in it And you turned around I was like, what? Everyone you like is in that movie Yeah, it turns out In it turned out Sean Gunn's in it. And you turned around. I was like, what? Everyone you like is in that movie. Yeah, it turns out. In the TV series. Sean Gunn. Yeah. Melissa McCarthy.

The Gilmore Girls. Yes. I like the guy who owns the diner and has a backwards hat. I'm like, who's this dick? But then he hates everything. I'm like, this is a guy I can get behind. That's a reflection of you. That's right.

Yeah. Anyway, I'm sure it's a great show. A lot of people love it. Mason, I've got some- I'm looking forward to that three-episode special event on Netflix. That's right. I think it's four 90-minute episodes. Oh, very good.

Yeah. I don't know. If you want to reach the show, Mason- Yes. You can hashtag Weekly Planet Pod on Twitter and we'll find it. Okay. We pick out three a week and we just get into it, don't we? Could I just text you?

Yeah, you could text me. Okay, cool. Anyone? You know what? If people have my number also, you can text me. Yeah me if you're listening to this and you know who i am feel free i'm i'm open to that yep should they text you no okay fair enough even if you know me don't text me this is from earl uh august without the second u one word hashtag weekly planet pod would you rather see the writers of the animated dc movies or the dcau right for the dccu or get new writers so basically the animated dc writers do you want to see them write the dc films no why is that mason don't think i don't

think i don't think it translates i don't think it translates yeah i don't disagree with you even the original stuff, like not the discounting the killing joke and Batman U1 and all that sort of stuff. They've got a different... Animation. They'd have a different animation, certainly. I don't know, but all the...

That's a really good question, actually. There are some really good animated DC movies. They're clearly ahead of Marvel in that respect. But yeah, I'm not sure it would necessarily translate to live action. I think there's a pacing issue. Okay, yeah. I feel some of the original stuff is oddly paced. Yeah, yeah.

Am I wrong in that? No, I wouldn't disagree with that. Yeah. So no, new writers. I'm going to say new writers. Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah. I think it's okay to keep the animators doing that.

Yeah. Because they're obviously doing a lot of good work there but that being said consultancy wouldn't hurt sure just get them in and be like is this bad i would say get comic book writers to write the dc absolutely or consultancy to be like is this bad yeah yeah definitely i mean obviously dc cu cu the dc cinematic universe consultancy unit if we could build some sort of dc cu cu It's the DC C-U-C-U, the DC Cinematic Universe Consultancy Unit. If we could build some sort of DC C-U-C-U, I think that would finally make me happy, actually. Good stuff.

Yeah, fair enough. Because obviously not all comic book writers are script writers. That's true. So I'm not necessarily sure. You'd have to be very careful who you chose, but I think there is definitely something in that to be like, who can do this? Mark Miller.

Yeah, he can. Just get Mark Miller to do it. Yeah, he can do it. Yeah. All right. This is from Legends of FME15 or Brady Mosca 14. God, that's so much information. The first one was the name and the second one was the handle.

What are your thoughts on a Back to the Future reboot? I think the time is right and the original cast could make it great. Wait, so it's a reboot. Yes. But we're using the old cast. I'm presuming like it's a Force Awakens, it's a Terminator Genisys, it's a whatever. So Marty and Doc are still around. Yep.

It's the year, whatever it is now. So it's a sequel? Yeah, I guess. Okay. What do you think? Robert Zemeckis has said that will never happen while I'm alive. Because he's got half the rights, right? He's got enough of the rights.

He's got enough of the rights that it'll never happen. Well, I say respect his wishes. Yeah. I'm not against it, though. Okay. I think you could definitely make something good out of it where are they gonna go something real bad yeah yeah where are they gonna go that's a really good question dinosaurs nah no because then you'd need a

biff dinosaur it's like or a biff caveman there yeah there we go all right cool because the the i feel the laws the physical laws of their universe is they can't go anywhere that doesn't have a Biff and a... And a guy who looks exactly like Marty. Yeah, analog, right? Unless it's the 50s. Which case, Crispin Glover.

Absolutely. You could get Crispin Glover back. I reckon he'd do it now. Because he didn't do the two and three. Yeah. But yeah, I reckon he... No, I think you could... Look, Glover back I reckon he'd do it now because he didn't do the two and three yep but yeah I reckon no I think you could look they probably

shouldn't but if they went look we're getting the original cast back we're going to Force Awakens this I'd be like okay yeah

look I'm not super wrapped in this but how do they capture the spirit of it they don't they can't it's impossible

because it's kind of lightning in a bottle and it's kind of like it is but it's because it's about it's about time travel adventures but it's also about love and it's about like how do you yeah i don't know if you can it's about fistfights it's about stealing almanacs putting an oven door under your shirt yeah yeah yeah the second the first one is really something like it's really great yeah so i don't i know you wouldn't match it but

i wouldn't hate it what like what genre of music is marty gonna culturally appropriate what is it what is he gonna ragtime what is he maybe he could invent rap i don't know so good where would you take him back to the 80s would you take a kid from the modern day and take him to the 80s like marty's kid oh yeah okay but then you'd have to- That's very Blues Brothers. That feels Blues Brothers 2000-y. Yeah, and also you'd have to get Marty McFly. You'd have to de-age him and put him in the 80s as well. That's true.

But they could do that now. Yeah, you can. I guess all the technology is in place to do it. It's all there, Mason. But is the heart in place? No. The heart's not in place. All the ducks in a row to fuck this up, Royal League.

Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, we'll see. They'll definitely do it at some point. I'll be surprised in our lifetime. It'll be the week after Robert Zemeckis dies. Exactly. That's exactly when.

I, yeah, I'd be shocked if we didn't say this again. I don't want a reboot. Yeah. Like, we've got a new Doc and Marty. No. It's time travel. You can just do it. You can just continue it and just alter the timeline.

That's true. Yeah. Hey, Grandmaster Flash. It's me, your cousin, Chad Flash. I've got this brand new sound. Listen to this. Oscar Tarpy. Tarp.

At. Tarp. Tarpy O. Uh-huh, Tarp, Tarpy O. Uh-huh. Hashtag with your planet board. That's how you reach us. If Bruce, if the comic book Bruce Wayne entered the Olympics. By the way, have you been watching the Olympics?

No. Not even for a second. I've watched some of the- I mean, I've heard of some of the antics that have been happening. All the sex and the- And the breaking down the door of a convenience store and then urinating all over it or whatever? I did not hear any of that.

There's a guy called... So there's a guy, Ryan Lochte. He's an American something or other. Prick? Yeah, that'll do it. That's the word I'm thinking of. Sure. Anyway, he and a couple of other guys...

A couple of bros. Yeah. They were like, oh, we got robbed. We got robbed at gunpoint in Rio. That's what happened to us. That's why all our money's gone. Right? But they had all their watches and mobile phones or whatever intact.

Right. And so it turned out that what had happened is one of them had gotten stuck in a toilet in a convenience store. And so the other two had broken down the door. And then they just peed on everything. And then the guy who owned the convenience store was like you have to pay for this so they gave him their money and then they came back and so that's why they still had all their valuables and they're like we we got robbed that's why we don't have any

money so why did they even come back and say anything happened i don't know when i come back and be like nothing happened exactly right because they. Like, we had an elaborate story. Yeah. Fantastic. So, if Bruce Wayne entered the Olympics against real athletes, what events do you think he would win? Grappling hook? Judo?

Sure, judo, yeah. Gliding? Yeah, the high glide. Yeah. How do you think he'd be as a gymnast? Because Dick Grayson is a better gymnast. Dick Grayson's the world's greatest gymnast, yeah. I think he'd be as a gymnast? Because Dick Grayson is a better gymnast. Dick Grayson's the world's greatest gymnast, yeah. I think he'd be pretty good, though.

But he's a bit bulky for a traditional gymnast. That's true. Yeah, did you see that dude who broke his leg? No. Oh, fuck. I heard about it, I think. So mad. If you can't handle that shit, do not watch it.

And I think the weight lift... Yeah, his arm... A weight lift just popped his arm out. Backwards, yeah. Yeah, no, I don't. Someone's like, you. Went backwards, yeah. Yeah, no, I don't. Somebody's like, you've got to watch that. I'm like, I don't got to watch that. No, thank you.

No, thank you. No, thank you. Do you reckon he'd be good at the shot put? Yes. Look, I think it's whatever would be, it's whatever requires a lot of mass. Weightlifting, he'd be good at. Yeah, he'd be great at that. Yeah.

Tire pulling. Yep. That's not really a thing, but yep. Oh, yep. He'd probably be good at arch thing but yeah yeah he'd probably be good at archery yeah he'd probably be good at uh i reckon he'd be good at shooting yeah i feel like he can shoot i think he knows he knows guns back to front because he he'll practice shooting well he'll shoot uh yeah because he needs to know how they work and how they handle that's true yeah

he'll shoot a just set up a whole bunch of gas tanks on the field. They'll shoot him. They'll shoot him. Sprinting? How fast is he? Do you think his suit kind of... Yeah, suit weighs him down. I don't think he's a sprinter.

But how fast do you think he'd be without it, is what I'm saying? Still not that fast. I mean, I reckon he could probably do it in about 10 seconds. No, he's too big. He's too big? Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Blending into shadows.

Yeah, that's there. He'd be good at that. He's good at that. Yeah. High jump? Too bulky? Too bulky. That's why he's too big. He's too big? Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Blending into shadows. Yeah, that's there. He'd be good at that. He's good at that. Yeah. High jump? Too bulky? Too bulky. That's why he's got the grappling hook.

Yeah, you're right. So more mass. More mass, yeah. More throwing a lot thing real far. More hitting the guy real hard. Yeah. Boxing, he'd obviously- He'd excel.

He'd kill, yeah. I wonder if he'd be good at soccer. No. He'd be good at rugby. You couldn't put him down. That's true. Yeah, he'd just barrel throw.. You couldn't put him down. That's true. Yeah, he'd just barrel through. All right.

Thank you, Oscar. You've got a good spirit. Mason, next week is our 150th annual episode. Should we do an amazing spectacular or just the same old episode? Well, I thought everyone wants us to do a superhero showdown. Okay, let's do a showdown. Okay, great. All right.

Okay. Now, how this works, folks, if you would like to know who would showdown. Okay, let's do a showdown. Okay, great. Okay. Now, how this works, folks, if you would like to know who would win in a fight between one character from any genre or medium. Look, in previous episodes, we've done superheroes

versus superheroes, supervillains versus supervillains, superheroes versus supervillains, and then like a grab bag. What do you reckon we should do this time? do you want to do they're always fictional

obviously we don't like putting real people in because it's boring because real people suck don't ask who would win the fight between us because we get that every week every time

yeah look it'll happen eventually when it happens we'll let you know we'll let you know who the winner was yeah well I mean if you win you'll let everybody know. We'll let you know who the winner was. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you win, you'll let everybody know. If I win, I can't operate the machine. That's right.

If there's no episode one week, assume we had a fight and I won. So I don't know what we're going to go and do in terms of topics, but I always like it when you take two characters and it's not like this version of Spider-Man versus this version of Spider-Man. I like two characters that are different but equally matched. That's true, yeah. That's how I...

Because it makes it more interesting to be like, yeah, to be like, what about the different versions of the Flash? They're all fast. Yeah, they're all fast, is to say. And that implies that we have a vast depth of knowledge about the various speed levels of the Flash. I could do strength levels of the Hulk, but maybe not versions of the Flash.

Yeah, absolutely. And even then, you couldn't really do strength levels of the Hulk. That's true. The biggest, greenest one is the strongest one. That's how it works. Like vegetables. Exactly. That's the best ones for you.

So, yeah. Even maybe if you want to swing more towards, I don't know, maybe movie characters. Okay, let's say that. Maybe that would be good. Aren't superheroes. Yeah. Sure.

Okay. Whatever you want, basically. Whatever you want, but let's try and stick to that and see how we go. Yeah. Or literary characters. Yeah. Who'd win in a fight between Mr. Darcy? And that tree from Lord of the Rings.

There we go. Perfect. That's a perfect example. If we can get- Two equally matched, but skilled in different ways. One's skilled in the art of etiquette. The other one's really good at- Being a walking tree man.

Killing a white wizard or whatever. Yeah, exactly. So- They're both pretty boring. Yeah. If we can get 50 examples of that kind of thing, that would be great. Yeah.

So obviously we'll explain the rules and all that next week. Yeah. Because you probably know if you've heard before, but we'll run through all of that. Just know that our decisions are final or not. We don't care so much. Yeah. It's fun to talk about.

And we don't want to argue with anybody about it afterwards. It's just, we're probably wrong. It's just a fun thing that we do. But most people know that. Where can people find us, Mason? Where can people find us if they want to get to us on that? Should they hashtag Weekly Planet Pod? Yeah, they could do that.

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