The Weekly Planet - 16 Star Wars, Batman VS Superman & Superhero Movies Not Based On Comics

Episode Date: January 13, 2014

This week we're talking news of Star Wars Episode VII, casting in Batman VS Superman, X-Men: Days Of Future Past, Superhero Movies not based on comics!Thanks for supporting the show!Also apologies for Mason's audio towards the end of the podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Welcome to another episode of The Weekly Planet, official podcast of comicbookmovie.com. My name is James, junior editor, comicbookmovie.com. My name is James, junior editor, comicbookmovie.com. I'm actually going to start this again. No! Continue forever! And joining me as always is my co-host Nick Mason. That was fine. I don't know, I panicked. You did panic. You

know what I did is I pointed at him several times and smiled encouragingly. Yeah. You thought it was a trap. I did think it was a trap. Maybe it's still a trap. I don't know. Keep going. It's a trap in the sense you've made me continue, but I don't want to. That's the one. Yep. Do you want me to get straight into the news this week, Mason?

Or do you want to talk about our amazing two microphone situation? It's pretty great, isn't it? It is. We finally fixed those horrendous audio problems. We have. Well, we've improved them slightly. Yeah. So we did that last week.

You may have noticed an audio improvement. You may not have. But now, this is slightly better, I think. You may actually be more uncomfortable now. You can hear our voices for real.

Whatever, though. It's fine. Whatever. Yeah. I'm going to get straight to the news bases. Please. And you know what?

You know last week we put a moratorium? Monitorium? Moratoria. We monetised the podcast. We sold it to Big Tobacco. We did. That's why we're enjoying these sweet Marlboro Reds You ever smoked a Marlboro Red?

Horrible Anyway I'm not a smoker by the way, you know that Keep them clear That's what I say We put a moratorium On Shia LaBeouf and his antics I'm going to break that this week immediately.

I know. Only because... That was quick, but it's traditional for us. To make a bold claim and then go back on it immediately. But alright, go ahead. You probably heard this. He made a statement earlier this week saying that following the... He's retiring from all public life following the recent attacks against my artistic integrity.

And he added, my love goes out to those who have supported me and finally hashtag stop creating that's a it's important important hashtag a lot of people use that that's not the only changes to his twitter account i feel bad that's what's on steve jobs's tombstone hashtag stop creating oh okay so then he changed his Twitter profile picture. Well, not the Twitter profile. What's the one that goes around the profile picture? The bigger one. Oh, the big cover page?

Not the big one. Like the medium-sized one. You've got your little picture and your slightly bigger picture and then the whole page. So the slightly larger picture. Slightly larger picture. That's what it's called. Yeah. He put this...

He got a cease and desist order from Daniel Clow's lawyers because he pretended he was going to make another short film based off another one of his comics. And basically he blacked out all the letters, all the words in it except for a few that just says, he must stop all efforts to create. And he's left that in his picture. But the full sentence that I checked this is,

he must stop all efforts to create and produce another short film that misappropriated Mr. Clow's work wow but he's a tortured he's a tortured creator and we're all we're all getting up on him we're cyberbullying I love how he's how he's taken people's offense people's offense to him stealing as like a personal attack that's like we don't understand we understand we do understand yeah we get it that's bloody hell right i did i actually clicked somebody retweeted that in my feed that the tweet that said that said he's quitting and you click that and there's replies underneath that are like don't go we love you and there's people that are like johnny laboof

like their twitter handle has his last name in it because they love him so much. I've never loved anything that much. No. Not enough to change

your Twitter handle. Certainly not someone I've never met who's in middling films. Sure. Cut to a few days later. Uh huh.

He posts this on Twitter. Oh the saga continues. Yeah. After retiring from all public life and blah blah blah.

Oh he's like us in that way Yeah, he is He makes a bold statement And then he goes back on it That's a really good point So I can't really fault him on that No, let's hear it But basically it just says Meta

It said Meta Modern Manifesto And I clicked on this link And it's eight points That I assume he's written I didn't double check this But it could be anyone really That's about Yeah, that's about

It could be from a Tony Robbins seminar yeah exactly getting your life together but I think he did write it because it's nonsense do you want to

hear one of the eight points absolutely the best one okay this is the last thing we'll say about Shia LaBeouf

until next time until next time this is point number two if you could explain this to me that'd be brilliant as well

I'll give it my best we must liberate ourselves from the inertia resulting from a century of modernist ideology naivety and the inertia resulting From a century of modernist ideology

Naivety and the cynical Insincerity of its autonomous Bastard child I think what he's saying is I think it's okay to steal stuff I think what he's saying Is that his Well there's a thing on the internet where people People don't want

Big business keeps extending copyrights And things like that. Big YouTube scandal recently. On, you know, very old work. It used to be copyrighted. It used to be the life of the author plus 50 years and now it's the life of the author plus 70 years and plus 100 years and so on and so forth.

I guess it's to protect the estates of people but a lot of people object to that in fairness because adapting and remixing the work of the past can often lead to interesting things in the future sure remember that episode of astro boy which was based on romeo and juliet yes exactly that's exactly what i'm talking about that one thing so i guess we've achieved it yeah it's fine but anyway i think maybe what he's saying is he's taken he's taken in some of these ideas and they're broken inside his head like a

light bulb that's just shattered and and in picking the bits of glass out of his brain he's come up with i should be able to steal the work of somebody who's still alive right now yeah and profit on it because i'm the best yeah pretty much yeah yeah let's put a pin in that yeah and come back to it when he does something else stupid there we go see you next week yes Fox and Warner Brothers have announced they are moving forward

with a pilot for Gotham the pilot prequel which features Jim Gordon the detective there you go you called it

did I? maybe I didn't call it I mean I think I said it was a possibility yeah okay right you could have taken that I called it.

You're right. Yeah. Now, the interesting thing about this is it's directed by Danny Cannon. Are you familiar with Danny Cannon? Nobody's got a great name.

I wish I were called Danny Cannon. Danny Cannon, yeah. That would be awesome. His credits include... Blaze Cannon. I want to be Blaze Cannon. You already chipped

Danger Cop, though. That's right. Okay, so his credits include Shameless. Haven't seen it. You seen that? It's a bit serious. Yeah.

The original? I American? I think that I'm assuming the newish one Okay, alright I don't know what it's about I'm assuming it's like Revenge I don't know No, it's like It's like

Well, the British version is like Like sort of chav Like lower class people Who live in like a housing estate So I assume the American version is the same It's got Willie Mae Tremacey in it Okay And Amy Rossum

I haven't seen it though Oh, it's alright Yeah He also has directed episodes of CSI Crime Scene Investigation the American version of the same. It's got Willie Mae Tremesey in it. Okay. And Amy Rossum. I haven't seen it, though. Oh, it's alright. Yeah. He also has directed episodes of CSI Crime Scene Investigation. Ooh. Original flavour. Original recipe, sure.

CSI Miami. Ooh. I Still Know What You Did Last Summer. The movie? Yeah. Okay. Which is the sequel to, obviously. Yep.

I Know What You Did, Freddie Prinze Jr. Yeah. Remember when that was big? You remember when Freddie Prinze Jr. Yeah. Remember when that was big? You remember when Freddie Prinze Jr. was big? I do remember Wing Commander, yes. Yeah, that was a good one. And Judge Dredd.

Hey, did James Gunn direct Wing Commander? He might have. Oh, that's a good question. We can talk about that later. Yeah, we will. Okay, cool. I'm going to look that up

during the show. Yeah, my Freddie Prinze Jr. will come out. Yeah, yeah. And Judge Dredd, he directed the Judge Dredd movie. People seem to be focusing on the Judge Dredd part because it's obviously be focusing on the Judge Dredd part,

because it's obviously the worst thing on there. Well, it's pretty funny, as we've established. But he's a fan of... I mean, he's worked with Procedures before. I would argue those shows aren't that good. Certainly not good ones. No. He hasn't directed an episode of The Wire,

or Homicide Life on the Street, or... The Bill. The Bill, yeah. So yeah, I think, yeah, let's give him the benefit of the doubt, Mason. Let's do that, yeah. Yeah, good on him. How young is this Jim Gordon going to be, do you reckon? I reckon they'll probably make him early 30s.

I reckon they'll go younger. 18. Yeah, 18, yep. College years. Fresh out of the force, yep. Police Academy style. Yeah, well I would... They'll be all panty raids and stealing the Commandant's hat, you know?

Do you think they'll just start him as a street cop and then he'll work his way up? I reckon street cop for the first half of the first season. Then he'll do something amazing and get promoted? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also reckon... No, I don't know this. I'm going to ask you. Moustache or no moustache?

Because you've got to get an actor who can pull off a moustache. I reckon he's going to evolve into moustache. I don't think they can. Because that's really jarring. No moustache. Yeah. Because it makes you arguably less handsome if you grow a moustache. Yeah.

So you've almost got to start with a moustache. Well, that's true because in the new series of Sherlock, Martin Freeman's got a moustache and everybody's... The worst. The worst, exactly. Everybody looks so creepy. He does look creepy. You're right.

And moustaches aren't... Ah, you're right. This is... Why is this the sticking point for me? I don't understand. But you're right because if he is like 20, early 20s, maybe he'll grow up a charity. Yeah. Maybe he'll grow up Movember style.

Oh! And then, because they've already tested it in the actor with the moustache, and ladies will be like, oh, you should keep that. A, you're a hero, and B, you look great in a moustache. Yeah. And he keeps it. Yeah, fair point. Maybe he'll have a go-see.

We'll never know. We'll never know, exactly, yeah. We'll quickly talk about this. There has been a couple of photos of X-Men Days of Future Past released this week. Both with Wolverine, in case you didn't know it was an X-Men movie. Correct, yes. Because you've got to have Wolverine front and centre. One of them is Wolverine lying on the ground with Beast hanging over him.

And it looks like they've been caught doing something. I'm not suggesting anything sexual. It's just a weird photo that you would release Because they're both like Like it looks like they've been sprung They're probably just pooping in a garden or something Pooping in the public park maybe They're beasts

Sure But the photo of real interest Even though that is of real interest also There's a semi kind of You can see him, he's obscure But you can see him Photo of Evan Peters Who was in Kick-Ass as Quicksilver. And he's wearing a very nice silvery jacket.

Absolutely, it's a silver members only. Yeah. From the early 1980s, late 1970s members only jacket. My imagining is that their thought process is, his name's Quicksilver silver, silver jacket that's how they did it yep, okay I mean I can't, how else do you, why else would you put a silver jacket on well that's if that's the same reason Mark Webb directed

Spider-Man, because that's how Hollywood logic works I don't know who cares his name is Quicksilver if he was the red tornado he'd be dressed in red fair point, sort of how that thing works that's true, I think it's going to use Quicksilver. Yeah. You know, if he was the Red Tornado, he'd be dressed in red. Fair point. Sort of how that thing works.

That's true. I think it's just because silver is kind of a pretty standout thing that you would wear. But also, it's the 70s. That's true. Yeah. I mean, obviously, he's going to don some kind of costume at some point. Yeah. But still, the internet...

The internet is upset with that. It's upset. Yeah. And of course, we've also got... What's his name? Aaron Taylor-Johnson from Kick-Ass. He's also in Kick-Ass, who's Quicksilver in The Avengers. Oh. And of course we've also got, what's his name, Aaron Taylor-Johnson from Kick-Ass. He's also in Kick-Ass, who's Quicksilver in The Avengers. Oh.

And also her, I don't know whether this is true, but in the X-Men. He's going to dress. Who knows? Yep. Probably in a traditional-ish costume, I'd imagine. Probably blue. I'm going to say light blue. Yeah, makes sense.

Silvery blue. Silvery blue. Yeah, apparently though in the X-Men movie, Evan Peters is not going to be Magneto's son which you think would be the perfect opportunity to do that because you can't

do it in the Avengers yeah exactly there's no way to link them exactly yeah make of that

what you will Mason or don't I'm not gonna it's not gonna concern me DC News yes

couple things okay first one is this is from I think last Sunday so we're a bit slow on this you are specifically I try so hard I know you do Gal Gadot Couple things. Okay. First one is, this is from, I think, last Sunday, so we're a bit slow on this. You are, specifically.

Oh. I try so hard. I know you do. Gal Gadot. Yep. Apparently, her Wonder Woman... Wait, quick Gal Gadot update. Is that how you pronounce it?

Do we know yet? I don't know. Doesn't matter. Her Wonder Woman will not wear the sparkly, spangly outfit or a silver jacket. She'll be wearing armour, apparently. Oh, okay. Yep. You cool with that? Man of Steel universe? I'm okay universe i'm okay yeah it's the way to do it i think there's a lot of really um i know a lot of the costumes that are armored or any concept art or any any not concept art

anything that people have fan art people have drawn with arm it looks really great i think it's the way to do it then people won't complain about her being skinny so much and it's all skimpy or skimpy yeah yeah. Well, you can't do the 70s costume though, can you? Or even the comic book costume. You can't, you couldn't do that.

Could you? Little, tiny... She's indestructible. Yeah, but... Have you seen the, did you ever see the pilot they did a couple of years ago? Never saw it.

It was not very good. Well, she had pants in that. And she had, I think she had pants and shorts as well. Okay. Yeah. Fair enough. But I just think... I in that. And she had... I think she had pants and shorts as well. Okay. Yeah. Fair enough.

But I just think... I hope for a series of outfits. I think that's where I'm going with this. Fair enough. Second bit of news is this comes exclusively from comicbookmovie.com. That's the website we're on. That's the website we're on.

Yes, we did it again. This is courtesy of Nailbiter. Twitter handle Nailbiter111. Follow him on Twitter, Mason. He's a good dude he got this exclusive from an inside source that he has at

Warner Brothers slash DC he's going to get fired not Nailbiter well he might yeah out of a cannon you know

are you familiar with Josh Holloway he was going to be Gambit at one point well they said he was going to be he was in Lost he's Sawyer in Lost

he's got long hair he was in Mission be. He was in Lost. He's Sawyer in Lost. He's got long hair. Yeah, I know that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was in Mission Impossible 3. Lost was one of those series you struggled through, wasn't it? You had to get to the end, didn't you?

I did. You know what? Just walk away. You know what? In hindsight. Get to season 4 or whatever it was. Walk away.

Dexter, walk away. I walked away from Dexter in season 2. I'm a much happier man now. I didn't walk away from Dexter. You didn't at all. No.

Anyway, Josh Holloway. God, Lost. You know what? In hindsight Dexter. You didn't at all. No. Anyway, Josh Holloway, your nemesis. You know what? In hindsight, I should have walked away at the last episode. Just never have known. That's how I should have done it.

Oh, one episode from the end, yeah. You know David Lindelof, after Breaking Bad finished, people tweeted him, one of the writers had lost, or the head writer had lost, like telling him, that's how you finish a show,

Lindelof, you suck. And he got a lot of that after Breaking Bad. Rough. That is rough right like a dog but at the same time i remember watching the old episode of lost and i watched one episode and i had like four mysteries four mysteries in an episode and i went to you after the series had finished and i said hey did they ever find out what happened to that kid and you're like no and i'm like do you ever find that the statue with the four toes or whatever was and you're like

not never figured that out and like did you ever have with the thing and you'm like, do you ever find that statue with the four toes or whatever it was? And you're like, no, never figured that out. I'm like, did you ever have it with the thing? And you're like, no. So, I don't know. You know what though? There's probably a webisode

that I missed that answers some of those questions. you're right. And I should go back and watch them. I forgot about that. I forgot about the early 2000s and web 2.0 mobisodes.

We should go back to those. That's it. I say go back to companion mobisodes. Listen to the Weekly Planet's companion mob those. That's it. I say go back to Companion Mobisodes. Listen to the Weekly Planet's Companion Mobisodes. It's coming out on your Nokia smartphone. Do you remember that Nokia game phone that you put little... Yeah, the N-Gage.

The N-Gage. That wasn't very good, was it? Nah. Probably. Had to take the battery out to change the games. Wow! Yeah. Anyway, but you'd never change the games,

because I'd imagine there was one really good one that you'd always play. Just the one good one. The Tetris Climb probably. Did you have to pull out the SIM card to put the game in? I hope so. Anyway, getting back to this, Josh Holloway, my nemesis, did you say? Oh, that's right. He's your nemesis now. He's good. I like him. He apparently is up for a role in Batman vs. Superman. Nail biter, or JJ, as he's called. He couldn't confirm who it was. What's Aquaman? Well, that's what he said.

He said it's probably Aquaman. Not based on anything. He didn't get that information from that particular source. But people have been saying Aquaman also. I think he's Batman. No, that's... It can't be... Oh, wait. Oh, you've broken the internet.

Now, basically... Who would be a great Aquaman? Who? Matthew McConaughey. Or is he too old? Well, Josh Holloway the internet. Now, basically... Who would be a great Aquaman? Who? Matthew McConaughey. Or is he too old? Well, Josh Holloway is 44. Okay. And Matthew McConaughey...

Matthew McConaughey's face is a thousand years old. Correct. But the rest of it looks pretty good. Yeah. Spends a lot of time in the sun, that guy. Yep. Yeah, maybe. Maybe a bit old.

But it's basically so... They're saying that it's a done deal. He didn't put this in there. It is a done deal. Wait, what this in the article It is a done deal Wait what did you say? It's a done deal Oh okay right he's in He didn't put this in the article

But he basically said It's a done deal but he didn't want to say it's a definite thing Yeah it is a done deal isn't it? It's a real dumber of a deal And yeah he's pretty confident that he's in Okay I put a few names that he definitely That he could also be

Apparently he's definitely not Lex. I put a few names that he definitely that he could also be. Apparently he's definitely not Lex. Parkent. He could be Parkent. You know? Sure. Yeah. He could be Bibbo Bibowski.

Who's that? He's like an old drunk. Is that based on the Big Lebowski in any way? I don't think so. I think he was invented in the 50s.

Of course. Yeah. Was the Big Lebowski based on Bibbo Lebowski? Probably. Good. He's definitely not Lex Luthor, but he could be someone like Steve Trevor. Is he Captain Carrot? The Captain Carrot and the Amazing Zoo Crew?

What are you pulling? I don't know. Some of them probably aren't real. It doesn't matter. Yeah, he could be Steve Trevor, I guess. Okay, yeah. Metallo? Alfred? No.? Matalo? Alfred? No.

Daredevil? Yep. Tony Stark? Could be Tony Stark, yeah. Carrot Boy? Whoever he's dead. Captain Carrot! He's from the funny animal universe. He's a rabbit.

That sure is funny. Oh, he's not a carrot. No. Oh. Does he have a little carrot symbol on his chest? I think so, yeah. Or a C, I can't remember you suck at obscure

comic book characters or you're really good at it I don't know because I don't know whether you're I think I'm the best I'm not very good but I'm definitely

the best at it yeah so there you go thank you to Nell Butter for that I wish you luck in finding a new job after you fired

from Warner Brothers that's not what who I don't know everybody in that that. I wish you luck in finding a new job after you're fired from Warner Brothers. That's not... Who? I don't know. Everybody in that chain. Okay, good, good. People who are working for Warner Brothers are getting fired. People that don't work for Warner Brothers are getting hired as an intern and then fired again.

That's not principle. I heard that they leak, this is probably a rumour that also has been leaked, that they tell different people at Warner Brothers or different film companies different piece of information like the mob to find out who's leaking who's the rat

I get it now that works just like the mob would just like the mob would is something else about the mob apparently after Godfather you know it's all about

everybody sticks together or whatever in the mob apparently before that nobody used to stick together the police used to rely on everybody ratting on each other

and after that book and really subsequent movie came out, that changed everything. And the police were really annoyed. Because everyone's like, we don't talk, cops! But they used to talk all the time. Huh. Because mob bosses are bitches. Correct. Seb Mason.

Oh, I've been murdered. I'm in a horse's head in my bed. I told you this before we started, but I want to talk about The Legend of Hercules. Yes. The one that just came out with Cameron Lutz. The God of War. The God of War. The clear God of War.

Yeah, and everything else. Now, I said in my naivety that we should give this movie the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, well. Which I don't often do. Oh, no, that's not true. I do do that. I like to give things a chance. I haven't seen this because it hasn't come out here and i'm not going to it started off on a zero ranking on rotten tomatoes well everything starts at zero

well or does everything start at 100 no no does it start they start at 100 and chip away no no it's just whatever goes up first then that's where it starts so if there's two and one's good one's bad it's 50 okay so it started at zero. Started at zero. Great. Got up to 4%. That's out of 53 reviews, two of them were kind of like, I didn't die in the theatre. I didn't put my eyes out, sure.

So yeah. The giant rock on a chain didn't actually physically come out of the screen and hit me in the head and kill me. So that's something, isn't it? Yeah. That's filmmaking. Yeah, because I guess it's because, you know, Liam McIntyre's in it and he's a friend of the show. Sure.

And I did. Apparently, though, he's like, people are like, yeah, he's all right in it. So he's not the problem. There's a whole lot of other things that are a problem. Everybody growls their lines and whatever. But I wanted to read three just snippets of reviews to you. I'm ready. Just to see what kind of movie we're dealing with here.

Okay. Okay. Matthew Razak from Flickist.com said, I'm now staking a claim that despite the fact I've seen no other movies in 2014, none will be worse than this. Great start. Great start. Chris Campbell from Film School Rejects says this of The Legend of Hercules.

If this were truly the stuff of legends, that word would have the opposite meaning of what it's supposed to. Ooh, sick burn. But then again, that guy did drop out of film school, didn't he? Good point. Yeah, so what does he know? Jordan Hoffman from Screen Crush says, The best way to describe The Legend of Hercules is as the fake movie that teenagers in movies go to see. Yeah, that's right.

Which I think is my favourite. So, yeah, I think we've all learned to lessen here. Never. Never go to the movies, I guess. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, we've got that other... And stay in film school, kids, if you're in film school. Otherwise, you're doing a depressing podcast in a spare room. No, we didn't go to film school, did we? Yet. That's our dream. That boy is it. To co-direct a movie with Chesky room. We didn't go to film school, did we? Yet. That's our dream. To co-direct a movie with Chesky style.

Yeah, absolutely. That's not our dream, by the way, is it? No. Good. Yes, listen. It's not! I'm dragging him along with me.

That would be a nightmare. I'm going to direct Speed Racer 2. Do you like Star Wars, Mason? You like Speed Racer, so you must have Star Wars Mason? You like Speed Racer so you must watch that. I'm aware of Star Wars sure.

Is this the Peter Mayhew news? There's Peter Mayhew news? Well he's apparently that's Chewbacca right? Yeah. Well he just released apparently he's got like

1200 unreleased like Star Wars like pictures instead of Star Wars. Oh I saw a few of those yeah yeah. Scrolling through them earlier. And what did you see in there?

Um Carrie Fisher was in them. Yep. Han Solo. those. Yeah, yeah. I was scrolling through them earlier. And what did you see in there? Carrie Fisher was in them. Yep. Han Solo. Yep. Mark Hamill. Yep.

Others. Warwick Davis was in one, wasn't he? Yeah, he was. Yeah. Looking adorable. Eh? I like that guy. Yeah. Basically, there's a lot of Star Wars news.

Okay, I'm ready. And we're going to chip away at it like a rotten tomato. We're just going to hold our breath and dive in. Now, you're familiar with Michael Ardent, who was the original screenwriter for this movie. He wrote Toy Story 3. Oh, okay. He was removed from the project. Forcibly.

Forcibly, yes. At gunpoint. Wow. Now, it's said that his original story was to focus on the offspring of Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and Princess Leia, with the original trilogy heroes taking on supporting roles. Which, to me, makes sense. Does. Certainly does, doesn't it? They're pretty old.

Yeah. The old guys. Abrams, however, wanted Episode 7 to focus on the classic trio of characters so audiences could have more time to enjoy them before a fitting send-off. Boo. Well, there's a lot of people on the internet who's like, yes, great idea. It's not a great idea. It's not, is it?

The best of the bunch among them, nothing against any of them personally. I like Mark Mark Hamill a lot. But Harrison Ford is the most in shape and the most profitable as a film star. But he is not who he was. No, he is not. This is a

Count Dooku situation. There's going to be a lot of green screen and a lot of stunt actors and there's going to be a lot of people spinning and somersaulting through the air. With CGI faces. In complete defiance of even movie physics.

Even Jedi physics. It's going to look weird. There's going to be a lot of leaping. Yeah. So there you go. Great. Now, the new characters, however, the offspring will now be supporting roles. This is according to these sources, blah blah blah.

And they'll take centre stage in episodes 8 and 9. And some characters have completely disappeared from the script and new ones have been drafted. So I... No, let it out. Let the hate

flow through you, James. That's how this works. It could work, but shouldn't it be the other way around? Absolutely. Maybe what they're trying to do, so I can see from this perspective, you have some supporting characters in the first one behind the original stars, and you work characters in the first one behind the original stars, and you work out from the first movie who plays well on screen.

Right, yeah. Then you're not stuck with a wooden actor for the whole trilogy. Okay. So maybe, because obviously Harrison Ford was the breakout role from the original Star Wars, hence he's a big focus of the next two movies. Yep. But he's not in the first Star Wars for maybe the first 30 minutes, maybe 20, 30 minutes, I don't know.

So maybe that's what they're going for. But maybe this is Indiana Jones 4 syndrome, where they're like, hey, let's have him have a kid. People are going to love him. It's going to be great. And then it wasn't great. So apparently our roles have been rewritten, meeting all those who have already auditioned irrelevant fantastic now people up for roles

are said to be you ready for a list of names I'm going to recognise one of them maybe Michael Fassbender oh yeah he's the best remember that movie

where he's the legionnaire is that the legionnaire where he gets legionnaire's disease that's the one no where he's the Roman centurion centurion is it that's good

he plays centurion he does he Centurion, is it? Hmm. That's good. He plays centurion. He does. He drinks a hundred shots of beer in a hundred minutes. And he gets real drunk. He sure does.

Adam Driver from Girls. Oh, yeah. The guy who was said to be up in Nightwing. Yeah. Though he denies that.

Chiwetel Ejiofor. Love that guy. Yeah, he's good. Have you seen 12 Years a Slave? I think I watched it this last week. Still good?

Still great. Oh, I don't know. I didn't watch it again. Right, okay, good. Sticks with you, though, I tell good. Have you seen 12 Years a Slave? I think I asked you this last week. Still good? Still great. Oh, I don't know. I didn't watch it again. Right, okay, good. Sticks with you, though, I tell you. Haunting. Okay, I get that. And Hugo Weaving from Speed Racer Matrix.

Yep, there we go. Get you a chask, he's right. Come on, mate. Who would you say he might be up for the role for? It's no one famous, but if you were to put him as a type of character in the Star Wars universe, who would he be? An android? No.

IG-88, the android? Good pull, but no. I'll give you some choices. Okay. And then you tell me afterwards. And so, is it an existing character? No, possibly. You ready for this? Yep. I'm going to... Jedi?

Okay. Stormtrooper? Yep. Old man. It's's not gonna be old man because you pulled that out of your ass I just saw you do it uh Sith Warrior

Imperial um General guy that's also about it you should have said Imperial Chef I'd have been like alright that makes sense

sorry it is the Imperial Officer sorry I just said it wrong but apparently he's up for an Imperial Officer role. You can see him as a Grand Moff Tarkin, right? Yeah, I can see him getting choked. Yeah, exactly. It's been some speculated that he's up for Grand Admiral Thrawn. Okay.

Are you familiar with him? Blue Skin? Blue Skin. Yep. I absolutely can see that. Have you read that trilogy of books? I'm aware of them. Yeah.

So they're taking bits and pieces. This isn't... Well, here's the thing, though. These aren't canonical. Apparently, though, they've said that they're wiping the EU, the Expanded Universe. So all that stuff about Han Solo's kids and how some of his kids are Sith and... People have grown up on that Expanded Universe, surely. In a big way, yeah.

People are going to be upset by that. Sure. I've got no investment. Yeah, that's right. Do whatever you want, Lucas. I've read bits and pieces. A really good one, if you do want to read any good ones. Shadows of the Empire is great

the Grand Admiral Thorn trilogy is great as well Shadows of the Empire is set between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi it's really good so everybody's alive

so it's great because I don't want to hear about Darth Vader I want to see him but I don't want to see him in a prequel novel great

but you know that's not true they don't wipe the ink what you could do is just sit in a corner and imagine Darth Vader doing cool stuff yeah that's true like juggling don't wipe the ink. What you could do is just sit in a corner and imagine that Darth Vader did all the cool stuff. Yeah, that's true.

Like juggling lightsabers, like three at a time or whatever. They can't take that away from you. No, definitely not. Now, obviously in the prequels, they wiped Boba Fett's story because he had a prequel story, which was that he was like a journeyman or some kind of religious, not religious, something like that guy,

and then he becomes a bounty hunter and blah, blah, blah. And they're basically going to go and retool that, so that's not where he actually came from. And now his backstory is essentially, get him dead! That's right. Get him! But also, though, they include things like Coruscant, which was introduced in the Expanded Universe. So I think, really really what they mean is we're just going to take what we want and just

discard everything else. So I wouldn't be surprised if he turned up. I think people would love to see it if he turned up. Do you have any news on... You probably don't have it there, but maybe it's in the old brain box. Sure. There was going to be a LucasArts game. It was going to be Star Wars 1313. Yes.

It was going to be set on Coruscant. Yep. And did that get cancelled? It did get cancelled because there was a merger that went through earlier this, not earlier this week, a few weeks back. No, a while back, maybe a month or so back. Disney cut all, not Disney, Lucasfilm and Disney cut all ties with all existing game companies.

They cancelled every property which was being developed, which included 1313, which looked amazing. It was starting off as like a faceless kind of guy who we'd never seen before, like a smuggler, and it turned out that that was going to be a Boba Fett game. Huh. And they cut it, they shot it down. Sounds really good.

Yeah, and it looked really good too. It looked kind of like Uncharted, but like in Star Wars. Because Coruscant is like the, it's a planet that's entirely city, right? Hmm. Yeah. That's exactly right. Hmm. Well done.

There we go. I know a thing or two, right? Hmm. Yeah. That's exactly right. Hmm. Well done. Ah, there we go. I know a thing or two. I've had a thing or two. Basically, so the idea is now Disney are, um, Disney own all the rights. Uh-huh. They're, uh,

they're going to keep the, like, the iPad games and, I'm assuming, Facebook games and things like that. Uh-huh, yeah. But everything else they're kind of outsourcing to EA. Hmm.

Pinball machines? Yes, pinball machines. Okay, good. Things like that. Uh-huh. Pinball machine, oh, pinball machines. Okay, good. Things like that. Pinball machine. Oh, God. One of those cups with the ball on the string, and you flip it and you try to get the ball in the cup?

Into C-3PO's head, yes. Yeah, one of those. I get that. One of the games is Battlefield 3. That's confirmed. They're assuming it's another one as the Knights of the Old Republic game or something like that, because I think Bioware's developing one,

the Knights of the Old Republic series. But that's basically where the Star Wars games are at at the moment. Also Marvel I think it's Activision have lost all rights to Marvel games which

is good. I think we talked about this. We did yeah last week. Because fuck them they make mostly crap.

Yes. Yeah so there you go. There's some Star Wars knowledge. There's heaps of Star Wars. There it is.

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secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Do you want to talk about? Yes. I mentioned this on Twitter. Okay. And I got a few ideas from some people. There are a whole lot of superhero style movies that are not actually based on comic books. Are you familiar with that? I'm familiar with some of them. Sure you are. I like that.

That's what I like about you. We'll talk about that this week. Throw one at me. All right, good. Look, I've got a list here. Now, I haven't got them all. Actually, a guy on Facebook reached out to me. His name's Brian Moore.

Really good guy. Very encouraging. You say that a lot, but you've never met any of these people. Well, he says nice things, so I'm not going to say, what a dickhead. I'm going to say, what a dickhead. No! All right. He hates you, though.

He has mentioned that. Oh, well. Well, kudos. You know what? I respect him now. He says what he thinks. I say he's a nice person. If people reach out and they don't call me a dickhead, then what am I going to attack them?

That's a good point, actually, yeah. Anyway, Brian Moore, great guy. I don't care what you say. He gave me this list of movies. I haven't heard of any of them. Okay. So stop me if you've heard of any of these. Okay.

Also, I didn't research any of these. Do you want to give me the list, the whole list? Yes. And then we'll break them down? Okay. Super Argo and the Faceless Giants. Never heard of it. The Fantastic Argo and the Faceless Giants never heard of it The Fantastic Argo Man

didn't you just get these off Wikipedia this is the list you gave me ok no relation apparently to the first one that's weird

the three fantastic supermen these sound like Bollywood films possibly yeah Flash Man and his personal favourite

which is Super Stooges versus the Wonder Women I'm assuming these are like movies from the 50s or something maybe they're movie serials I mean is is Super Stooges vs. The Wonder Women. I'm assuming these are like movies from the 50s or something, right? Maybe they're movie serials. I mean, is that Super Stooges? Is that like Three Stooges kind of? God, I hope so. Because didn't the Three Stooges fight their mummy once?

And one time they fought depression in their personal lives. Absolutely they did. Tears of a clown when there's no one around. That's it. Absolutely. Yeah. I haven't heard of any of those, and I didn't research them. But I will after this. Sorry's it. Absolutely. Yeah. I haven't heard of any of those and I didn't research them, but I will after this.

Sorry, Brian. But, yeah. I just find that weird that with our encyclopedic knowledge between us, we've never heard of any of those. Unless he's just bullshit. Like a bad guy.

Like I've always said he is. I trust him. Okay, fine. So there you go. Here's some ones, though, that we do know For reals I'm ready

Are you familiar I know you're familiar Watch this together Super I love Super James Gunn Well I enjoy it Yeah

Well it was an experience Well it's not something I don't think it's something To enjoy is it To endure maybe Endure yeah In a good way though I think

I maintain that it's The taxi driver Of superhero films That makes a lot of sense, actually. Because it's about a lunatic who kills a whole bunch of people, and everybody loves him for some reason, and he doesn't go to jail. Now, the idea behind this story came up around the time that Kick-Ass did, which is why it probably got kind of lost in the...

Because it's superhero, it's a real world, but it's not as... Yeah, Ray Wilson from The Office. Yeah, it's not as, but it's not as... Ray Wilson from The Office. Yeah, it's not as flashy. It's not as Technicolor. There's no jetpacks with machine guns on them. No, there's very real world consequences in this. There's also one of the most awkward and horrible to watch sex scenes. Boy is there.

Featuring Alan Page. But it's just awful to watch. It's a real grim watch. But she's a complete... Does Ryan have a concussion in that scene? I think he does at some point. Yeah, maybe he does. Or he's been shot.

Maybe like something like that, yeah. But there's bits in it where a guy pushes in line, I think in a movie, and he goes, get out of the line or whatever, and the guy doesn't. He goes to his car, puts on the uniform, comes back, and the guy goes, what, do you think I really don't recognise you?

And he just cracks him in the head with the what's his weapon just a big stick no it's like a wrench isn't it big red wrench or something and the guy's like

you see his skull split and he just goes down and everyone screams and runs away we're going to do spoilers for these oh yeah spoilers if you haven't seen

one of these and you want to get to it just pause it if you haven't seen one of these and you want to get to it, just pause it. I haven't seen Hancock. Or just, yeah, or just switch it off and throw your laptop

out of the window. Yeah. Yeah, don't do that though. Don't do that, that's dangerous. No, it's expensive too. But, um, and at the end,

obviously, Alan Page... Oh, she gets the head blown off. Head blown off. Most of it. Most of it, head blown off. Because, you know,

she's all like, she's crazy into violence or whatever and all enjoying storming Kevin Bacon's house. Uh-huh. And she's really into it crazy into violence or whatever and all enjoying storming Kevin Bacon's house and she's really into it

actor Kevin Bacon's house and it's kind of fun you're going along with it because you know they're killing

guys or whatever and then she's just dead and it's really kind of jarring well there's you know it does subvert

4 out of 5 sorry guys best movie ever it subverts a lot of those superhero tropes like the primary one being no one ever really dies It does subvert... Four out of five! Sorry, go on. Best movie ever. It subverts a lot of those superhero tropes. The primary one being no one ever really dies in a comic book universe. That's it. Yeah.

But I guess if you've got a closed universe like Super, if you're not... If it's not... Because the entire premise of superhero universes is that they go on forever. Yeah. You want to keep all your properties for all time. So you can't, but if this, there's not going to be any sequels presumably. So. No, that's it. Yeah.

He basically gets Liv Tyler back. She leaves him eventually, which is okay with, and then she marries another guy and their kids write letters to him and say how nice he is or whatever. And that's his kind of happy ending. But again, he's a lunatic. And he's a lunatic. He's a killer of those people. And got away with it.

Yep. Like Taxi Driver. Like Taxi Driver. And Taxi Driver, it ends with him killing everyone and you assume he's going to be found and gone to jail. Yeah.

But he's called a hero. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he's kind of well adjusted at the end because he's having conversations with dudes. There's also a theory that he did die and that he's kind of well adjusted at the end because he's having conversations with dudes there's also a theory that he

did die and that's his kind of after life do you think in that movie it was meant to be that he

was completely insane do you think there is a chance that God this is why he starts doing

this by the way he thinks that God comes down and takes the top of his head off and touches his

brain that's right and gives him these abilities this is super by the way sorry that takes it

over yeah do you think there is a chance that that it's meant to be. That's right, yeah. And gives him these abilities. This is super, by the way. This is super. Sorry, that takes it over, yeah. Do you think there is a chance that that, it's meant to be that that's what really happened? You could interpret it that way. No. Because there'd be more magical things. That's true. You can't introduce the magical hand of God in Act 1

and not have it come down again in Act 3. Good point. Mm-hmm. Guardians of the Galaxy should be good though. Yeah, it's interesting. Because Super's a James Gunn. I'm going to look up Wing Commander. Keep talking.

Okay, so basically, I'm going to talk about Guardians of the Galaxy just quickly. Yeah, please do. There's two sides of Guardians of the Galaxy, the way people are reacting. You can look at your iPad, it's fine. I'll just keep talking. I'm not going to break eye contact.

There's one side people are like, this is is gonna tank because nobody knows what it is yeah yeah but good on them for giving it a go and there's other people are like why would they do this um i want more thor movies or whatever why would they why would they chance this yeah yeah what do you think though i mean i think it's great that they're they're trying something different because if it even if it does tank, which I don't think it will... Uh-huh. Well...

I mean, the first Iron Man, Kevin Feige even said this, it was a risk. He had to go around explaining to people that Iron Man wasn't a robot. Right, exactly, yeah. So, I mean, who knew who Iron Man was ten years ago? I did. He was one of the characters. I know, you did, yeah. I don't know.

We may be approaching... Like I think we've said, I think we might be approaching superhero burnout, but I don't know we may be approaching like I think we've said I think we might be approaching superhero burnout but I don't know if people see it as a sort of a because nobody they're not recognisably superheroes no

they're not like an X-Men and they all wear matching uniforms or they're not you know they don't necessarily have like flashy superhero-esque costumes or anything like that. They do seem like a band of space no-goodness misfits kind of things. It's like a serenity kind of thing. Yeah, exactly.

That didn't do well, did it? No, it didn't. My brother said something interesting to me though. He goes, the current team of Guardians of the Galaxy looks very much based on Farscape. Oh, I was going to say Spaceballs. Oh, Spaceballs.

Now, I know Guardians of the Galaxy have been around for a while but the current team consists of a man who's half from Earth, he's half human, he's kind of travelling through space or whatever

and he's got this kind of team of misfits and weird puppet men and whatever. I'm not sure. Whatever happened in Farscape. There is similarities there. That is very,

you're right. I mean, I'm not 100% sure which one came first but that's what my brother says and I trust him. Not as much as

I trust Brian, Brian Moore. Absolutely. Well, the current, Farscape came out way before the current incarnation

of Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah. The old Guardians of the Galaxy was, the old and the new are basically the same in name only. Like,

the Guardians of the Galaxy in this movie are set in the modern day and the new are basically the same in name only. Yeah. Like, the Guardians of the Galaxy in this movie are set in the modern day, and the original Guardians of the Galaxy was set in, like, the 31st century. Oh, okay. So they don't exist yet. Ah. So potentially they took the name from these guys. Gotcha.

Yeah. Cool, cool, cool, cool. Yeah. We're all learning stuff. We sure are. But I don't know. What was the last big space epic that did well at Cinemas? Wing Commander.

No. I was trying to segue you there. Oh, sorry. I lost it. No, it's all right. I don't know. It's a good question. It's got something to do with it.

Sky Captain. No. No. Space epic. John Carter. Avatar. There you go. Avatar.

Okay. If they... You know what? Somebody in that movie has blue skin so it's if they I don't know I think it's Doom

I don't know I hope it's not you know what I have found I haven't found much but I did find this picture of Freddie Prince Jr. in a stripy flat cap God he looks like

Bob Hoskins now yeah but yeah so okay interesting well look I think it's going to do well people though are worried

that they haven't released a trailer yet and that movie's out in August and we've seen nothing but that leaked Comic Con footage and one official still

that's been released that's true we haven't even seen an official teaser we've seen that leaked stuff that we had to go through some sort of Russian website my laptop's filled

with malware now can't put my credit card number underneath anything that's it so you know make of that what you will yeah I kind and did anything that's it so you know make of that what you will yeah

I kind of did like that trailer though yeah me too it's great yeah it did but that news still apparently

James Gunn semi complained that it was before a lot of the special effects had been finished so like the Groot and Rocket Raccoon

don't look infinitely better now than what they did in that but you know Marvel have a history of just doing things without asking directors. Right, yeah. Okay, we got through one.

Yep. Hancock. You want to talk about Hancock? I'm not really, to be honest. Look, I don't really remember this movie. I've seen the deleted scene where Will Smith has sex with a woman, and you don't see it, but you hear it because he's outside his caravan. He's like,

you've got to get off me or whatever because he's about to, you know, finish and he like shoots like a hole in the ceiling of the caravan or whatever.

Well, that's the classic joke, isn't it? That is the classic joke. And a steel woman with Kleenex. That's not how it would work though. Oh, who knows?

Maybe he can control that particular muscle. His penis muscle. Yeah, that's right. Okay. Yeah. Did you see this at the cinemas

because I didn't because I was very interested in this yeah well so basically it turns out though he's an angel or some kind of

Greek god or something he was created he was created by the gods yeah it's all very vague and when he gets close and he's thousands

of years old yep and he's lost his memory because when him and Charlize Theron get close together, Because they make me together. They become mortal, or they can be injured, and he takes a knock to the head, and he loses all his memories. And then he's just this kind of bum guy who occasionally fights crime, but he mostly wrecks stuff.

Uh-huh. And it's basically, I mean, and Peter Berg did it, the guy who did Lone Survivor, which I was telling you about earlier today. But, and basically, it was going to have a sequel and it was supposed to be this big franchise, but it's, some people are calling for it, but it's just not that interesting. Are they still calling for it? Probably.

He still gets asked every now and then in interviews. Really? Yeah, yeah, sure. Jason Bateman? Yeah, well, yeah, they re-teamed Jason Bateman in Charlize Theron after Arrested Development, which was kind of... Oh, yeah.

It was a fun little thing, but... Oh, it's not a good film, is it? It's not terrible. It's not a good film. He puts on that X-Men-style leather outfit. Yeah, at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is Will Smith's reluctance

to play actual bad guys? Like, if he was... I think that would be a much better film if he was just an irredeemable drunk. Yeah, that's true. And I think that plot twist is very... It's one of those plot twists that, for whatever reason, Hollywood directors who don't have any comic book grounding think makes sense.

Like, that is his weakness, that these gods built these guardian creatures but they built them so that when they fell in love they lost their powers so inevitably they would all disappear from the world

yeah which is what happened right but we're never told why no but I would have much rather the trailers made it out as if it's just this guy

who's a bum yeah and he's been in some sort of experiment gone wrong and now he's got superpowers as if it's just this guy who's a bum and he's been in some sort of experiment gone wrong and now he's got superpowers and now he's just

a prick who saves lives if he really has to if somebody would buy him a bottle of booze or whatever it would have been a much better film

surely it's a thousand degrees today I'm always drinking water on this podcast but god damn it it's hot it's hot out here

you know what they say if you don't like the weather in Melbourne wait five minutes you know what I've god damn it, it's hot. It's hot out here. You know what they say, if you don't like the weather in Melbourne, wait five minutes. You know what, I've waited five minutes and it's still hot. I don't know, it's upsetting. I don't know what Fahrenheit it is, but it's like 35 degrees today. Heaps of Fahrenheit. Celsius, yeah.

What's that Fahrenheit? I'm going to assume it's like what, a thousand? Yeah, a thousand degrees, yeah. Good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so there you go. Hancock. What a great movie. Glad they're What a great movie. Glad they're doing a sequel. They're not. You know what I think, though?

I think Will Smith would be reluctant to play a bad guy because a lot of actors... Like, Tom Cruise, for years, did not play a bad guy until Collateral. I think when it gets to the point where, like, we're sick of your shit, Will Smith, which is what really happened with Tom Cruise to a point, people are like, what's this guy's deal? And then he played this irredeemable bad guy in Collateral, which by the way is okay. Not as good as the French season. I enjoyed it a lot. You know what? It is good

but they shouldn't have filmed it on that weird kind of digital video whatever that is. You're right. It is pretty good. So I think that's when he'll come around in there and do something else. Because he's always like... Will we still be interested? No, but I mean why... Surely he's always like... I don't know. Will we still be interested? But why...

No, but I mean, why... Surely he's got enough money at this point. Yeah. Like, why wouldn't he want to branch out? Because he has to stay a powerful actor long enough for his son to become as powerful. That's actually a really good point. Yeah. Okay.

Have you seen Chronicle? No. You keep telling me to see Chronicle. You've got to see Chronicle, man. You've got to see it. All right, I'll find it. I'll see it. Max Landis, who is the son of John Landis, who wrote this.

He's a very kind of big Twitter kind of personality or whatever. A lot of people have a lot of hate towards him because he can be perceived as being very arrogant and opinionated, which I'd say is probably true of him. He's 28, but I find him fascinating. I find his method of storytelling and the way he sees superheroes in particular really, really interesting. You're a sucker. No, you're...

No, you're allowed to have that opinion. He's done this video, if you haven't seen it, it's called Regarding Clark, where he basically talks about how Superman should be portrayed in film. In particular, particularly, I cannot say that fucking word, in relation to Man of Steel, how at the end of it, like that in Avengers at the end, a hero isn't somebody

who stands there with their arms crossed and the city is just burning behind them. You know, Superman shouldn't allow that to happen or the Avengers should not allow that to happen or whatever, which I think there is truth to that. He's also got this, he made a short film on the death of Superman, like on a really, really low budget. And like Elijah Wood. Like based on.

Yeah. Based on the comic and how ridiculous it is and whatever. And that's really good. My favorite thing is he, what DC came to him. I've gone off topic here, but I'll talk about this anyway. That's what we do.

That's it. DC came to him and said, DC Comics, we want you to write... Oh, DC Pearson. No, not DC. He's great, by the way. Came to him and said, we want you to do a revamp of the death of Superman. Okay.

And he's like, absolutely, I will. And he's got this 40-minute long video explaining what he would have done in the story. Because a few months later, DC came to him and said, the people who came and spoke to you, they're not the ones who make really all the decisions, beat it. Right. And it's his, and so you should totally watch it. They were our prank division. We send them out to do pranks on aspiring directors. You know, just as a goof, we have a lot of money.

Yeah. We're backed by Warner Brothers. We do whatever we want. Yeah. We'll make a Speed Races sequel. We'll do it. You can't stop us. See you, Max.

So yeah, you should watch it. It's totally great. It brings in a whole lot of the mythology together and tells the origins of the Justice League and Doomsday basically just tearing through the city and how Superman eventually stops and then how Superman then comes back and gets the black suit.

His crazy 90s hair. Maybe it's a mullet, maybe it's not a mullet. It's a mullet. So yeah, you should totally see that. Anyway, he wrote Chronicle. Okay. Getting back to that, which I think is a great movie. It's a found footage superhero movie, which sounds terrible.

Doesn't it? Because there's one coming out this year. Well, it doesn't. I think that works. I think it sounds terrible in the sense that most found footage movies are terrible. Doesn't it? Because there's one coming out this year. Well, it does it. I think that works. I think it sounds terrible in the sense that most found footage are terrible. And we hadn't seen a superhero one

before this. And it's a really good one. There's also one about time that's coming out. It's being produced by Michael Bay.

It's about kids who find a time machine. But in the trailer they're explaining what's happening as it's happening. Like, we could use

this time machine to go back in time. One guy's like, there's no such thing as a time machine. He's like happening like we could use this time machine to go back back in time one goes like there's no such thing as a time machine it's like how do you explain the time machine then

like the whole trailer is that great people are like this looks great it's not it looks fucking terrible too much exposition

don't explain things to me yeah anyway um totally see Chronicle about three kids gain superpowers um

one of them goes bad side note I don't want to see a Michael Bay produced time travel film. Like, they go off the rails enough with a competent director. He's got his comp, you know. He can shoot action well. You know what? Well, he's not shooting, he's producing.

Yeah, okay. But, yeah. Because he wants to make small independent films and help those. Oh, like a time travel action film? Great. The best time travel film is Back to the Future. You're right. Followed by Back to the Future 2.

That's it. Yeah, that's pretty much it. The End of 3 is good. And Summer 3 is good. Everything except the dark brown love story of 3 is good. You know what? You can't go future and then go Old West. Because it's boring comparatively.

You can't go look at this amazing future, Old West. That's boring comparatively. You can't go, look at this amazing future, Old West. That's a really good point. You're right. It's not really an amazing future though. It's an 80s future. It's an 80s future which is actually the year 2005.

2015, sorry. Can't wait. Yeah. For that Jaws 3D hologram movie. It's so glorious. It's going to be great. Anyway. That's going to go on my list.

Next year it's going to go on my list of films set in a future that's already happened. It's going to be great. Anyway. That's going to go on my list. Next year it's going to go on my list of films set in a future that's already happened. It's going to be great. Sea Chronicle. Got a few... Does it get increasingly... Somebody told me that it gets increasingly... Because it's found footage. Yes.

It gets increasingly more strained as to how they keep finding footage. There is a few. Like there's a final battle sequence and they're just telekinesing. Cameras. Camera phones and HR. I mean, yeah, there is, there is that. And there's news choppers and whatever. The most noticeable part of it is he goes to a girl's house who's a blogger.

Yeah. And the main guy opens the door and he's like, Hey, what are you, what's happening? And she's filming. She set up the camera. So when he opens the door and she's like, oh, you don't mind me filming, do you? Or whatever. So it's incredibly contrived. But other than that, no, it's pretty good. Because

Dane DeHaan, DeHaan? Galgado. Galgado. Who's playing one form of the Green Goblin. Or whatever. He's kind of the guy who goes bad in it. He's a blogger or whatever. So that's where a lot of the footage comes from. Back in the day, bloggers were the bad guys.

Oh, that's true. Also, I heard in that, that a lot of the shots are based on video games, third-person perspectives, because the way the camera's positioned behind them, the kids do that on purpose because that's how a third-person video game is. So there you go.

So it's Doom-esque. Doom's first person. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. You idiots. Sorry, I was trying to pay out on the film Doom. Oh yeah.

It's really hot. It is, isn't it? Let's rattle off codes we remember from Doom. You go first. IDDQD. IDSPISPOPD. Wow.

IDKFA. Fuck. Ah. There's a... What? No, I'm the winner. You're the loser. ID... Ah! IDCLIP. the winner. You're the loser. I did... Ah!

I did clip. Damn it! You're an idiot. There's also the one where you change the last letter. Let's move on. Fuck you. Ha ha! You fucking prick.

It's not even a thing. Why have I claimed victory over the thing that's not even a thing? There's a couple of animated films I got on here. I'm sure there's more than these two, but these are kind of the biggest ones. The Incredibles and Megamind. You've seen either of those? I've seen The Incredibles. Sure. The Incredibles is great. It's incredible. It's the best Fantastic Four movie. That's really very true, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Great family dynamic. The only power that's really different is that Dash, who's the speedy kid, is kind of

like the Johnny Storm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So instead of having fire, he can run really quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone else has identical Fantastic Four powers. It's interesting that they got away with that, isn't it? I guess powers aren't patented, are they? If Hancock can rip off all of Superman's powers.

Yeah, see, I know. See, that's... It's interesting, I think, what has become sort of an archetype now. Like, way back in the day when Superman was invented, and then Force of Comics invented Captain Marvel. Yeah. Like, nowadays, you can just create a superhero universe and say, this is the Superman character. He can fly, he's invulnerable, he's got heat vision, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. But when they invented Captain Marvel,

there was, he's a tall guy, black hair, blue eyes, red costume, cape, invulnerable. Yeah.

They suit him out of existence, basically. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but now that's sort of become the archetype

and you can really do that. But I think of four, four heroes are family, and three of them have powers identical to Fantastic Four, just switched around a little bit. Yeah. I don't know.

Fair point. Yeah, that's... I don't think the Fantastic Four are archetype, really. Like, there are familial groups in various universes, but... I guess it's less obvious because more people have those powers. If you had a kid who had Wolverine claws and healing factor, that's very specific to Wolverine. But so is invisibility and force fields. Who else has that, though? I'm sure someone else probably has that.

Invisible Woman has that. Yeah, I know she's got that, but who else has it, I mean? No one. Other than her. No one has invisibility and force fields. You're probably right. You got me. That's right. But in a way, I got you No one. Other than her. No one has Invisibility and Force Fields. You're probably right. You got me. That's right.

But in a way, I got you. Let's burn Pixar to the ground. That's what I say. No, I really enjoy that film. It's probably one of the best, if not the best Pixar film. No, it's one of the best Pixar films. I maintain it's the best. Better than Toy Story?

Because I don't necessarily like a sob story. Fair enough. I know people do. God, there's some real emotional weight to that movie, though. There's bits where he thinks he's family dead. He's going to snap that woman's neck it's true remember that bit

where he grabs that woman it's great like they try to kill the kids they shoot down the plane with all the kids in it and whatever like that dude who's the bad guy

is a monster in that movie as movie bad guys should be make it kids I think people don't give kids credit for what they can take in movies

and what they can't just push them to the breaking point. Absolutely. Because at the end of that movie, that bad guy gets sucked into a jet engine and he explodes because of his cape. And that's great. Good for them for doing that. It's great and also great foreshadowing. Oh, yeah.

Nobody's going to... Exactly. Now, they've been talking about doing a sequel to The Incredibles for years. Brad Bird, who directed it, who's doing Tomorrowland, which is coming up, which is his big kind of project. Apparently, he was asked to do one of the Star Warses and he turned it down. He didn't want to do his own properties, which I can understand. Because Star Wars, he's a sinking ship. But basically, the story's not right and they're not doing it.

Unlike Cars, they'll just do, yeah, we'll do Cars 2 and Planes 2 and whatever, whatever. So yeah, good on them for not doing it because it probably won't be as good, I guess.

What's with Disney's weird non-Pixar animation department now? You're talking about Frozen and Tangled and whatnot. And Planes. Oh, and Planes, yeah. Planes is just, it is a Pixar,

but they've tricked people into thinking it's Pixar. Into thinking... Well, it was originally supposed to be a straight-to-DVD release. And I think John Cryer was the voice of the plane. I think they changed that. But does that exist in the same world as Cars? Because I've seen Cars and the planes in it don't talk.

Yeah, I think it is. Yeah. I don't know. But there's a... Cars is terrible, by the way. People on the internet, though, have created a Pixar universe. Apparently they all... If you do some moving about, if you do a lot of bits of string on a wall and connect them,

you can connect them all together. They're all in the same universe. Everything from WALL-E to The Incredibles to blah, blah, blah. I mean, it does require the annihilation of all humanity for the Carsibles to blah, blah, blah. I mean, it does, it does, you know, require the annihilation of all humanity for the Cars universe to exist,

but whatever. And Wall-E. Yeah, and Wall-E, yeah. Or most of it, anyway. Yeah. Now, we're approaching the hour mark. Do you want to push through?

Let's push through Heaps of them. Let's just smash through them. All right. Look, if this runs a little longer, who cares? Yeah. People, I assume,

like this podcast. Oh, by the way, I'm going to say this just now, just quickly, before I forget. Yep. I feel bad saying this but I would love it if people went onto

iTunes and gave us like a a star rating whatever they feel it's worth whatever they feel it's worth absolutely and like a review

but I mean realistically if you're going to give it one star just go out and you know tell someone you love them you know yeah

someone you're close to or whatever and I don't like I don't like go for a walk in the park. Yeah, I don't like asking people to subscribe or thumbs up YouTube videos or whatever, but by doing this, it does help the show, I guess. I don't know.

I have no idea. Well, I think that's how it works. We've been in new and noteworthy podcasts or whatever. We're still kind of floating around that area. Uh-huh. But we're being beaten by the Triple M breakfast team, which is this... Americans don't know what that is. I know they don't.

The Australian, some Australian breakfast team. Just imagine like, like, you know, like. Imagine the worst radio show. That's it.

Yep. Yeah. You've got it. But yeah, so if you could, if people could do that or not do that, that would be absolutely fantastic. Okay.

Let's smash through these. All right. Okay. Here we go. Mega Mind. Who cares? Yeah. Who cares?

I've seen it. It's fine. We can slow it down. It's fine. Okay. All right. Okay, here we go. Megamind. Who cares? Yeah, who cares? I've seen it. It's fine. We can slow it down. It's fine. Okay. No, faster! Okay. Unbreakable.

You should have told me before I did this rail of cocaine. You son of a bitch. I've got nowhere to go with this. Unbreakable. You've seen it? Yeah, I have seen it. I've never seen it. You've never seen it?

Nah. You know what? I'm not the guy who when somebody says they haven't seen a film, I'm like, oh my God, I haven't seen the film. You hate that. I hate that because... You get it all the time. I get it all the time because I've never seen anything.

And I haven't lived your life, so I haven't seen all the exact same things and listened to all the exact same music that you have. I could have been being stabbed in an alley when that movie came out, for all you know. Were you? No, because you knew me then. Yeah, I did. You would know that about me.

But go on. You're basically saying why would I say that? I'm saying you of all people why haven't you seen Unbreakable even on DVD? I got to a point where I wanted to see it.

Yep. Missed it. Waited a few years. I caught like the end of it on television. So I know it happens. Yeah. And then his films got really bad.

I was going to say Shyamalan. Yeah. Degradation happened. Yeah. See like for example Christopher Nolan whose films are good. People are saying happens and then his films got really bad I was going to say Shyamalan degradation happened see like for example Christopher Nolan whose films

are good people are saying he's lost it or whatever which I don't think is true but I went back and watched I'd already seen

Memento I'd seen that before Batman I saw that I think random when it came out Insomnia with Al Pacino

and Robin Williams which isn't good by the way but I went back and watched it because he's a director that interests me but this guy

Charlie Wilford doesn't interest me it's um it doesn't really work for me I think and he was I'm sure a lot of people

will debate that it's got its good points but it's I think it came right off the back it came right off the back of the sixth sense and people were still

riding high on whatever that he's the greatest and what a twist and a shocker Bruce Willis is dead the whole time if you haven't seen

it it's too late that's what happens in sixth sense was that sport for you that movie no me neither I've seen

I saw people get that movie spoiled for them though in person I didn't spoil it but it was great it was great to watch so go on

I think it's it but it was great it was great to watch so go on I think it's it's one of those superhero movies that it's written by somebody who doesn't really understand

the conventions of superheroes you said that about Hancock yes exactly and I'll say it again and I'll continue to say it until

I stop saying it until we run out of memory on that tape tape until we run out of memory on that tape on our tape deck until we run out of reel to reel

but because he's a he's a he's a man who is for whatever reason he's

he's the one end of this evolutionary chain and he's indestructible and he also has clairvoyant powers does he? yeah he does

because he can see like he can see danger to a certain degree. If somebody has a gun, for example, he knows that that person has a gun. So he has literal superpowers. Yeah. I thought it was more luck.

No, it's not. And just he was genetically kind of pretty good. No, it's the actual powers. Holy shit. But on the other end of the scale, because we reveal at the end that he's Nemesis. During the film, he we reveal at the end that he's Nemesis. During the film he meets Mr Glass, who is Samuel L. Jackson's character. And he meets him in a comic book store because Mr Glass is a comic book fan.

And why does he go to the comic book store? I can't remember. Bruce Willis would never go to a comic book store. No, he wouldn't. Maybe to just punch nerds. Because as we know, comic books are for nerds. Yes. Maybe to just punch nerds.

Because as we know, comic books are for nerds. Yes. But he goes in there and he's looking at a cover of a comic book and Mr. Glass says to him, oh, villains always have bigger heads than the heroes. And Mr. Glass is a very large afro. Yeah. And I'm like, well, he's obviously the bad guy. And he wears very dramatic clothing. He'll wear a long leather coat with a bright purple lining and he has like sort of very kind of dramatic clothing like he'll wear like a long

leather coat with like a bright purple lining and he's a glass walking stick so he's obviously the bad guy yeah so like from his first appearance i'm like well he's obviously the bad guy yeah my my also that rule isn't strictly true no it's not at all it really isn't sorry god except for armzola who's that yep of course the tibbing head ah and then but so he's

he's indestructible and he's clairvoyant except he's vulnerable to water he's not indestructible in water but it's quite vague but on the other end

of the spectrum what yeah I know but anyway because he can he can drown he's got a fear of drowning anybody can drown

I know but it's not anyway the point is on the other side of the spectrum you have Mr Glass who is the villain

who has because he's Bruce Willis is unbreakable Samuel L Jackson is very breakable he should have called it very breakable and focused on

Samuel L Jackson that would have been a better story and he's got very fragile bones but he doesn't have anything else

he doesn't have another special power he doesn't have equivalents to clair't have another special power he doesn't have equivalence to clairvoyance so he's just a really weak guy you might say he has some sort of

evil super genius but that's not the same thing and we reveal at the end you probably remember that he caused the train derailment how the fuck

did he do that I don't know he probably broke his leg you know just broke some of his legs. Okay.

Yeah, and that, then it caused, you know, he figured out that Bruce Willis was the unbreakable one and then he was

going to use that for some nefarious purpose. Yeah, what? Exactly! And then, but again, the scale doesn't work.

You need, if your character is invulnerable and has clear points, you need another person to, you need the villain to have more than that. Yeah, you do. You're right.

He's a guy who could be killed with one punch. Yeah. Yeah. And also at the end, it ends with like a text crawl. Oh yeah. It ends with, Mr. Glass went to jail for a long time. He really regrets all the crimes he did. That's how it ends.

And someone reads it like that? Yeah. I did in the cinema. That just reminded me of a video game you said you once wanted to make, where it's the most ridiculously hard fighting game of all time. Like, the first guy you fight is one big half the screen, and he just blasts you, and you're dead immediately. And if you manage to get by him and an increasingly difficult number of people,

this impossible game at the end, it's a guy who's kind of a frail old man and you rush at him and he has a heart attack. Great. I would play that game. Of course you would. Yeah. Next one though. Sky High and Zoom, I'm going to put together only because they're similar-ish and they came out

at the same time. One of them's pretty good. One of them's got Tim Allen. Which is which? Sky High's pretty good. It is pretty good. It's got Kurt Russell in it. Got Kurt Russell. Kelly Preston, I think her name is. John Travolta's wife. Yep. Is that her name? Can't remember. Yep. Yeah. A whole lot of other, you know, Disney kind of kid actors. Some of them have gone on to do some stuff, some have not. It's a pretty good movie. It's kind of like a lighthearted-ish kind of Harry Potter colourful world, but it's in a superhero universe. Yeah, yeah.

And it's pretty great. But yeah, I guess... It's weird, isn't it, that like a Harry Potter will capture the imagination of children. Yes. Like mainstream children, but superheroes won't. Like in a bottle? Yeah, like in a bottle. Capture all the little children. Yeah, but... Well, I guess that was 2005 or 2006. I guess it was a different time for superheroes. Boy, was it.

I guess. But there was planned to be that all the cast had signed on to a spin-off TV series and all sorts of things. I'm assuming except Kurt Russell. Yeah, maybe. Maybe, I don't know. But Sky is pretty great. And if you haven't seen it or if you've got kids or whatever, it's probably a good introduction to superhero movies. Do the listeners have kids?

That's interesting. Yeah, some do. I assume so. What do you think our youngest listener is and our oldest listener I'd say we've probably got some early teens write in if you're

really young write in if you're really old alright I'd like to hear from those guys what if you're like you know like 25

no interest between 25 and 45 no interest just go and bloody do what your demographics supposed to do drink some energy drinks I don't care

do anything Zoom on the other hand which I have seen once and the only reason bloody do what your demographics supposed to do. Drink some energy drinks. I don't care. Do anything. Zoom, on the other hand, which I have seen once, and the only reason I saw Zoom is because I saw an interview with Tim Allen, and I knew this looked terrible, and he said,

it's kind of like a spiritual sequel to Galaxy Quest. And I went, I fucking love Galaxy Quest. And I will see this movie. Galaxy Quest also got voted in the top ten Star Trek films. Huh.

Which is cool. But, um... Into Darkness was voted worst, by the way. Just throw that out there. Fine. I didn't vote. Look at you. Look at you.

Aren't you vindicated there? Look at you, mate. But, um... I like fun romps. And it started with a fun romp. Sure did. Yep. Ended with the city being destroyed and everyone got a medal. Yep. As it should, I guess. I like fun romps and it started with a fun romp sure did yep ended with the city

being destroyed and everyone got a medal yep as it should I guess don't dwell on it no um

Zoom um basically Tim Allen is recruited to train superheroes and he can run really fast and at the end his brother comes back through time

who's still young because his brother got lost in time and Tim Allen makes his brother who turned evil good by running really fast. And he says he's running fast.

Let's say his brother's name's Dugan. I don't know his name. I don't remember. And he's running and he goes, must save Dugan. And he's running in a circle. And I don't understand it. And it's shit.

You really put the boot into that film, no one's seen. You really put the boot into that film, no one's seen. You really put the boot into that paycheck that Tim Allen did after Santa Claus 3 or whatever. The specials, I have not seen. I've not seen, but that's another James Gunn. I just watched a trailer for this. It's got, what's his name? Well, it does have James Gunn.

It's got Thomas Pate Church in it. I haven't seen it either. It's got Rob Lowe, it does have James Gunn. It's got Thomas Pate Church in it. I haven't seen it either. It's got Rob Lowe. Yeah. Who's back in a big way after he had that sex tape in the 80s. And then suffered for years. Yep.

Because he was supposed to be the Tom Cruise. But he became the Tom Cruise who had a sex tape. Yeah. Good in Parks and Rec though. Absolutely. He's a great guy. Looks amazing. That dude's like 55. Jesus.

He looks incredible. Should we get him on the show? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So you haven't seen the specials? No, but it looks great. Moving on. It doesn't look great.

I want to stress it doesn't look great, but I still want to see it. Yeah. Because it's fascinating that it's got a lot of big names and I've never seen it. I know. Weird, huh? Yeah. Now, what about this, though? What about Mystery Man?

Well, that is based on a comic. I wanted to ask you that. Okay, ready. Without me looking it up. Yeah, okay. that is based on a comic. I wanted to ask you that. Okay, ready. Without me looking it up. Yeah, okay. Is it based on a movie? A comic? It's based on...

Well, it's... It's an obscure comic. We were talking about Captain Carrot and his amazing Zooka before. Here's another Carrot-based reference. Well, what became Mystery Man came out of a black-and- white indie comic called Flaming Carrot Comics. Which is about a guy called the Flaming Carrot who is... Carrot Top? No, he's just a guy, if only.

He's just a guy and he wears chinos and a shirt and tucked in. And he's got a mask that's a really long carrot that goes to his belt buckle. It's a really long, narrow carrot and it's on fire. And he's the Flaming Carrot. It's literally on fire. And he carries his gun around carrot and it's on fire and he's the flaming carrot and he carries his gun around is it literally on fire? it's literally on fire but he's just a guy

I think it's stage flame but yeah it's literally on fire and he keeps like a pogo stick in his in his in his carrot mask in his carrot mask it's

like it's it's one of it's an indie comic from the 90s with all that entails sure it's a lot of a lot of crazy whimsy

well let's talk about that another day then okay but anyway the premise oh in tales it's a lot of crazy whimsy well let's talk about that another day then okay but anyway the premise he's a guy who read thousands of

comics in one sitting as a bat and he went insane and yeah so the mystery men are sort of an offside

sort of superhero team that he was part of briefly I think the only characters in Flaming Carat that became characters in Mystery Man were the Shovel briefly. I think the only characters in Flaming Carat that became characters in Mystery Remember

the Shoveler were Mitch Macy and I think Mr. Furious. I'm pretty sure the rest were invented for the film. Okay. Yeah. It's fun though. Do you like it? I do like it. It's got a great career.

Yeah, I love it. I haven't seen it in maybe... Donkey's years? Donkey's years? Is that a long year? Yeah, it's a long time. Cool. Yeah.

Now I've got one more on here That we could sort of talk about You've got another one That I want you to talk about In a minute though Okay But we'll get to that Would you consider The Matrix A superhero film?

Only in the sense That it rips off a lot of A lot of stuff from Everything From everything yeah Was it you that said The Wachowskis had like A scrapbook of ideas?

This is what I think they did Sure What they Well no it's more for the sequels I think what they what they had is they made the Matrix and the world was their oyster

and then all of a sudden they realised that in like a trunk somewhere they had a scrapbook of ideas from when they were in high school it was all like

a list of cool stuff that people in movies could do or say and they just they just submitted that as their script for the sequels. Because the dialogue gets worse in those sequels.

Do you remember when the second one came out? 2003 was the year of the Matrix. I don't know if you remember that. I do, boy, do I. That's what they called it. But the second one came out and it was getting like four or five star reviews. It's an okay movie, I guess. But it doesn't go anywhere or make any sense.

There's a whole scene at the end where he walks into the architect. And I remember people, and I even did this, had like, went around in an email chain or whatever, had all the things that the architect said. Because it's fucking babbling nonsense. It's double speak. It's like a Shia LaBeouf manifest. It's fucking garbage.

And people pouring over this thing, trying to determine meaning from this book and this fucking list of utter fucking garbage. And it didn't mean anything, essentially. I mean, it probably did, vaguely in some way, but they didn't really wrap that up. The architect says, Neo is like, we better not meet again. The architect's like, we won't. And they didn't really wrap that up the architect the architect says neo is like we'd better not meet again the architect's like we won't and they don't right but the architect only then is at the end and he's talking to the oracle and he's like well isn't the world different the oracle was like yep and the movie ends pretty great what well see the the matrix as i understand it

well actually i was going to say first of all i think maybe what happened is the matrix became the matrix series became movies that you got really high and watched so maybe because the first one's pretty trippy it's great yeah so i think maybe that happened and that passed us by and maybe for the sequels everybody was just getting super super baked and just watching them and they loved it and the the sober people were like, what's going on? What is this? But as I understand it, the Matrix was created because the Wachowskis wanted to put superheroes into the real world in kind of an interesting way.

Yeah. Rather than saying, oh, everybody had an accident in a chemical plant or whatever. They were like, well, let's say reality isn't real. Yeah. And people who realise that can do whatever they want. Like Dark City. Like Dark City, exactly. Which came out before.

Yeah. But what also came out before, and there's a, I was going to say controversy, but there isn't. It's quite blatant. There was a comic book series that came out in the mid to late 90s and some through the 2000s called The Invisibles. Yeah. and some through the 2000s called The Invisibles which is a Grant Morrison series and it's about

an oppressive an impressive but also oppressive alien extra dimensional alien race who is sort of oppressing the people of Earth by painting this false reality over here how are they impressing them? sorry I'll stop.

God damn it! I haven't read it in a long time. This is so frustrating. But anyway, the point is that there is a team called the Invisibles who are headed by a bald-headed man in cool glasses with lots of guns and who seek to awaken the world

to this unreality that they're being oppressed by. And in order to do that, they actually have to find a young man who they believe is the key to unlocking that. Right. Anyway, that's by and by. Is that Grant Morrison? Yeah. Sounds like something he would do.

Yeah. Anyway, the point is there is actually a scene where the bald-headed leader of the group with the cool glasses and the guns is captured by the villains and they explain to him that they're trying to subdue humanity because humanity are like a virus. They go to every place and they consume all the resources and they move on to the next place. And it's word for word that scene in The Matrix where they do that the more obvious that's exactly the same do you think

people would get they get away with that now well they can they can do what they want because uh the invisibles was on vertigo which is an imprint of dc and dc are owned by warner brothers so i guess technically okay as a wholly owned subsidiary they could really do whatever they wanted it's just weird that they managed to insert that in there. Like, there was no writing credit in there. I mean, Grandmaster... Has he commented on this? He must have.

I think he has. I think he said he was a bit disappointed. I think he... Because... I think he said that his... The themes that he put in The Invisibles were a lot... They were greater than the ones that he put in the Invisibles were a lot they were greater than the ones that were there was some deeper meaning and he wanted to

put more meaning into the Invisibles and they sort of simplified it and flattened it out for the Matrix but I don't think he said, ah they ripped me off, I want money ok fair enough, he's not really that kind of guy and Grant Morrison now is essentially the creative head of DC because he's got an amazing creative mind,

but also at the same time, potentially, if it were the choice between him and one other guy, DC might have said, hey, remember that time he didn't sue us because we ripped him off

for billions of dollars? Let's make him the boss, you know? Let's be good sports about this. What's a shame about that is, though, I guess, if he wanted to see that as a movie property,

and I know not every comic, though a lot are written that way, the end goal is to be a movie property. Uh-huh. But if that did come out, people would be like, well, this is very similar, isn't it? Absolutely, yeah. It's the Matrix. Grant Morrison has ripped off. Yep, that's how it works.

The Wachowskis. Well, you know, though... What about those Daniel Klaus? He's writing these weird picture books based on the Shia LaBeouf properties I don't know about this yeah I mean people a few years back

were clamouring for a Matrix sequel are you clamouring for a Matrix sequel? I would kind of there are elements of the sequels that are quite good there are elements of the Animatrix which are pretty good also pretty good yeah

I really enjoyed there's a lot of aspects of that world that are pretty good also. Pretty good, yeah. Yeah. I really enjoyed the, there's a lot of aspects of that world that are great like the infinite corridor of doors that can go anywhere if you've got the right key.

Yeah. You know, the fact that there are these programs that have been super enhanced that are like werewolves or vampires or ghosts or something like that.

Yeah. That was a great, you know, great concept and great visually. Did you like the fact that they didn't make Neo necessarily special in the end?

That he was just the one of many? That he wasn't and there's a weird compared to the first movie and the second movie he can fight incredibly easily he doesn't even have to look at the end and he can fight off Agent Smith and then it becomes much more difficult for him

maybe they've been upgraded well he actually says at a point oh upgrades yeah here's the thing though in that I think the Matrix Reloaded

is great up until they get to Zion because at that point Neo is sort of this he's become sort of a sideline character

and he's sort of dealing with the idea that he is the one and he's got these powers and he's just but he's also just sort of he still doesn't he's sort of dealing with the idea that he is the one and he's got these powers. And he's just... But he's also just sort of...

He still doesn't... He's not still sort of vetted around this. That he's still sort of been sidelined and he's not... He's just sort of a blunt instrument and they just keep him up the back. But at the same time, he is this messiah. And how does he deal with all these elements? think they should have made him a sideline character like have him fly off and contemplate existence but in but what they did instead is they put him into all these fight scenarios where he's really not having any trouble at all like it's the matrix

the last two-thirds of matrix reloaded is like watching somebody else play a video game on Godmode. Like, playing a video game on Godmode isn't that interesting. I did EQD. But watching somebody else play it is just boring. There's that sequence where he's in the castle and he's fighting like a half a dozen guys, all of whom are superpowered. And at one point, they hit him full tilt with a sword in the hand

and one drop of blood comes out and they're like he's just a man we can take him yeah maybe if you hold him down and just chip at him for hours you know eventually you'll kill him but i don't think you really got a chance this is this is ridiculous exactly right and then i mean he kind of does fly off though in the third one yeah and most of that movie or a lot of it is set out of the Matrix

with just big mech battles with squids yep and focusing on characters that have only

really been introduced well a little bit in the second one but mostly the third one

it's just a really weird way and then they burn his eyes out they sure do that don't they

I don't know man yeah okay let's not have any sequels. Yeah. Great movie, though. Yep. First one's pretty good.

Yeah. Now, The Defender. I wanted to ask about Defender. Defendor. Defendor. Yep. I have no idea

what this is. It's got Woody Harris in it. Okay. It's got Kat Dennings in it. Ooh. Who else is in it?

All sorts of people. Oh, Elias Koteas, as you might recognise as Casey Jones from the first 10 years. No way! Yep, he's the bad guy.

He's the best. Yeah, he's in that. He's great in Galaga. But it's... Great in Ninja Turtles 3. Yeah, is he in 3? He's back. Great, he's back.

I'll just briefly... Defendor, it's not... It's about a guy who thinks he's a superhero. But it's more... It's a sort of a... It's a human drama, it's a crime drama. It's a human drama. It's a crime drama. It's a good old-fashioned... It's a heart warmer.

No, it's not really. It's a crime drama. It's relatively recent then, I'd imagine. It's a few years old, yeah. Okay. Before Super? I'd say it's 2009. Okay.

So it might be before Super then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's not like a fun romp it's about a guy with mental illness so it's it's worth a watch though definitely sure yeah

it's weird that I've never heard of that movie that's not weird I mean there's a lot of things I haven't heard of precisely does he is there a lot of is it

a lot like Super there's less cartoonish violence okay there is some violence sure but there's more it more addresses there's actual consequences for violence. He gets some talkings too about his superheroing ways.

About his ways. Yeah. Cool. But yeah, it's definitely worth a watch. It was great. Well, we're around the hour and 20 mark. I don't think there's any other movies. Or there would be.

There are no other movies. There are no other movies. We've talked about them all. Yep. Is there any other movies that you can think of that are relevant to this? No. But I bet there are heaps.

There are. So people should write in and let us know. Also, I just looked up the director of Wing Commander. It was Chris Roberts. And he has directed... Are you ready for this?

Yep, I'm ready. Is it other Wing Commander games? I think it is. I think he's a great... You're absolutely right. Yeah, it's Wing Commander series. Yeah. Oh, good call. Yeah, it's Wing Commander series. Oh, good call.

Yeah. Which is weird, though, that they would... Because aren't those cutscenes, they were revolutionary, weren't they? Yeah, absolutely. Mark Hamill was in them. Mark Hamill was in them. Weird kind of like wolf men in costumes. Wolf men were in them, sure. I haven't played any of the Wing Commander games.

I've played the X-Men, X-Wing TIE Fighter games, which are cool. Yes. And I'd imagine they're very similar. Hmm. Yeah. Any Star Wars games you'd like to see? I'd imagine they're very similar yeah any Star Wars games you'd like to see I'd like to see 1313

certainly but that's never happening I'd like to see a Jedi game where the powers are defined and it's just

not kind of vague and sometimes you can crush them sometimes you can pull down a Star Destroyer and sometimes

you can't sometimes your lightsaber cuts through something sometimes you're just hitting a guy with a glowing stick that's the Force

Unleashed. Great Jedi game though. Jedi outcasts. Even the first Jedi in art's good. Yep, I remember. Even the movie Attack of the Clones

is pretty great. No, it's not. You're a liar. Why end with a lie? So weird. End with a lie, I say. Yep. Alright, well if you

want to hit us up anybody, you can find us at Weekly Planet Pod. Tell us about more superhero films that aren't. Oh, Jesus man what alright

I'm going to look it up not you I thought you were talking about me specifically the listeners if you're thinking good ones

I would like to see more I just got really upset there for no reason yeah send it in I'm sure we've missed some so we'll probably do another episode

on this at some point or if you have any thoughts on any of these movies tell us we're wrong about anything or thoughts in general yep at some point. Or if you have any thoughts on any of these movies, tell us we're wrong about anything. Or thoughts in general. Yep.

Any thoughts in general. Sure, you've got them. Only if you're really young or really old. Really old. Otherwise, I don't care. Yes. So, you can hit us up, Weekly Planet Pod, Gmail, Facebook, Twitter. Mine is MrSundayMovies on Twitter and Facebook.

And yours is... It's AppleCupidiaBrown. You know it. Yeah. Follow Mason, asking questions about everything because he loves I know heaps of stuff

about stuff he sure does also we have one person who said they're going to send in another theme song that we're going to try out so we're going to do it oh wow

but thank you to Gabriel Bruton for this theme song of course the Brute the Brute alright that's it fantastic

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