The Weekly Planet - 173 Best/Worst Comic Book Movie Directors

Episode Date: February 20, 2017

This week we get stuck right into the best and worst comic book movie directors!We also talk Jurassic World 2, more Batman stuff, The Last Jedi, Jar Jar Bink’s fate, Black Panter and Thor Ragnarok, Lion King casting plus Mel Gibson potentially directing Suicide Squad 2.4:43 Jurassic World 2 Casting10:31 More Batman news15:28 First look at The Last Jedi (which is plural)17:31 The Fate Of Jar Jar?21:27 Black Panther & Thor concept art26:20 Logan is doing alright & more X-Men movies28:45 Lion King casting32:28 Mel Gibson might director Suicide Squad 236:01 Best/Worst Comic Book Director1:19:59 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read1:23:10 Letters It’s Time For LettersPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesAmazon affiliate link: https://amzn.to/2pHkhkFMr Sunday Movies YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/lB90W2The Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind ou T-Shirts here: https://goo.gl/q6gE9C Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Welcome back everybody to another episode of The Weekly Planet Official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com Where we talk movies, comics, TV shows My name is James, also known as MrSandai With me as always is my co-host, Nicholas Penis Mason Sorry What? I don't know why I said that

It's very early, you literally just woke up I did, I could not sleep Why not? I don't know. You troubled? No. The smoke detector's still driving me mad. We mentioned that last week, right?

The saga continues. They said that it is next door. They said they'd come around and fix it, but they didn't. Did somebody come around and look at the front door, realize they didn't have a key, and then leave again? I have no idea. It's very possible. You know,

it's one of those things where you're very nice. You're like, listen, could you just look into that? And they're like, great, no problem. But then it gets to a point where you're like,

do I have to like, I don't want to be a guy who's like, hey, you said you'd do it. You know what I mean? But there's literally a beeping sound every 40 seconds coming through the wall. So what do you do, Mason?

Smash a window? You could, you could set up some sort of app on your phone that makes your own beep at 39 seconds. every 40 seconds coming through the wall. So what do you do, Mason? Smash a window? You could set up some sort of app on your phone that makes your own beep at 39 seconds and then you'd be ready for the next one. That's true. It'd be preemptive. Maybe I could get it to say, get ready.

There's a beep. There's a beep coming, mate. Steal yourself for it. You can do it. Be strong. Beep. And then you're like, oh, yeah. Sweet relief.

So speaking of being strong, Mason, our charity campaign is going very well. We've hit $8,000. Wow, like that. Which is fantastic. Just like that. And I haven't even done a YouTube video. I'm supposed to have done one, but I haven't done it yet. But I will.

You've been asleep. It's fine. I've been mostly asleep. I'm going to say we've made it to 8,000. The listeners, the Weekly Wacken. We've all, we collectively, all made it to 8,000. The listeners, the Weekly Whackers have made it to 8,000. We collectively, all of us. Oh, yes. So we forgot to mention last week as well, there's prices.

Yeah. At minimum, we've got five 360 cameras to give away. That's right. And they're really amazing quality 360 cameras. So that's part of it. So if you donate any money, there's a chance that you'll get one of those. Tape it to your bicycle helmet. Please do.

Cycle about. Cycle about. Make your own Google Maps. Yeah, right? That's what I think. Make your money back. Easily. But a lot of people ask stuff like, can I donate to a different cause?

We're just going to keep it to this because it's just simpler. It worked last time. Yeah, it's just easier to keep track of everybody and so we're not email to keep it to this because it's just it's just simple it worked last time yeah it's just easier to keep track of everybody and and so we're not emailing emailing people individually you could just throw in a buck if you want you know what i mean like it can be it can be any amount also i should mention it's australian dollars so it's less than oh yeah depending on where you're from it's a bucks more like 70 cents or whatever so put in two bucks which is a1.40, depending what your exchange rate is.

Anyway, I'll link it below. Mason, we've got to talk about Jurassic World 2. Do we got to talk about it? You insisted. I can't actually. I insisted before the show. I don't know why. I ambushed you here. You were like, should we talk about Jurassic World 2?

We don't need to. And I'm like, no, we definitely should. And I threw you under the bus. It felt great. I'm going to do that all the time now. Just insist. Yeah. Okay, so the big news that you wanted. I'm going to do that all the time now. Just insist. Yeah. Okay, so the big news that you wanted to mention was BD Wong is back.

He's back, baby. He was a great part of one of my favorite parts. Now, in the first one, he was just some guy. Was he in the first one? Yeah, he's in it. No, he's significant in it. He's one of the chief geneticists. He's not in Jurassic Park, though.

No, he is. Is he? He's in the first Jurassic Park and he's in Jurassic World. But in Jurassic World, he's gone mad. He's gone mad. That's right. Which was a fun twist. Yeah, absolutely. And he? He's in the first Jurassic Park and he's in Jurassic World. But in Jurassic World, he's gone mad. He's gone mad. That's right. Which was a fun twist. Yeah, absolutely.

And he's a great actor. I remember it being a fun twist, but then I'm like, what if he wasn't in the first one? I just imagine that as a fun twist. But no, you're right. He was in the first one, just some guy. In the second one, he's mad. I'm hoping for full on super. Fourth one.

Yeah, I'm hoping for this one, just full on super villain. Well, we just read the synopsis-ish, sort of. Yeah. They're saying it's not about theme parks. it's not about chase dinosaurs chasing people on an island it's about corporatization of dinosaurs and and the new and experimentation on their genetic yeah platform or something i mean we're going to get them in like iraq and whatever take taking down like various groups insurgents groups or something i hope so is that what we're going to be getting?

Well, wasn't there... There was initially a plan for Jurassic Park 4 that was going to be similar, which was going to be... Yeah, it was human hybrid. Human dinosaur hybrids and they're holding guns and stuff. There's a whole lot of concept art. So maybe we'll get that, but I don't think people want that. No, I definitely don't.

I think this, what they've proposed here, is going to slowly be dismantled and then replaced with, hey, we're on Jurassic World again. Like back on the... Back on the island. I think it's just going to slowly be dismantled and then replaced with, hey, we're on Jurassic World again. Like back on the island. Back on the island. I think it's just going to happen again. I'd love to see it evolve into Planet of the Apes, but with dinosaurs.

And not necessarily, not them getting intelligent, but just they're everywhere. And we just have to live our life around them. So you're on your way to the supermarket and there's a bloody big brontosaurus, mate. And you have to slide down his neck. You have to slide down his legs. Very good. Your toilet's a there's a bloody big brontosaurus mate and you have to slide down his legs very good your toilet's a pelican so so when so the the planet of the ape the current planet of the apes movies are eventually going to evolve into the original planet of the apes movies yes

you're hoping the jurassic world movies will eventually just evolve into the flintstones correct that's right yeah that's the dream yeah. That's the dream, yeah. So also, there's one more bit of casting. James Cromwell is in it. Babe Pig in the City. Yes, and Babe, original Babe. Original Recipe Babe. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, he's, you know him.

And he's also in Spider-Man 3. He's also in Star Trek 8. Yeah, he's the dude who invented... Zephram Cochran. That's right he invented light speed travel or whatever it is what's not called travel so i shouldn't say that should i i'm acting like i'm acting like obviously there was a moment of genuine panic where i'm like can i pull his name can i pull the character name because i acted super confident and i'm like oh no that was the first star trek movie i saw i remember as a kid oh i remember i saw it at

foxtel when we were staying at some kind of place for the summer, I can't remember. Foxtel's like our, what is it? It's like cable TV. It's real shit now, don't get it. And real expensive. But I remember thinking, oh, man, this is great. Why don't we say that now unless at some point we get sponsored by Foxtel,

in which case we're editing this out. I've had four friends work for Foxtel who got made redundant because they're downgrading. So watch James sell out his four friends when we work for Foxtel who got made redundant because they're downgrading. So watch James sell out his four friends when we get a Foxtel sponsorship. Yeah. What are we talking about? James Cromwell.

Also, they're holding Game of Thrones hostage in Australia. That's the thing that I was going to say. Because in Australia, you can't buy it on iTunes until it's out. It's like way, way later. Yeah, until the season's out. Yeah. But even if they were like it's 10 bucks an episode I'd be like

fine exactly but I'm not paying 80 bucks a month and having a box in my house I'll never use to watch 7 episodes of a season a year

which is what that's going down to anyway what were we talking about oh yeah Star Trek 8 First Contact is also the only

Star Trek property where somebody says the word Star Trek oh really James Cromwell says what is this some kind of Star Trek property where somebody says the word Star Trek. Oh, really? James Cromwell says, what is this, some kind of Star Trek? No, he doesn't. Yes, he does. Yes, he does.

Look it up. That's considered one of the best ones as well. Yeah, it's an even numbered one, so it's a good one. Yeah, I remember enjoying it. It's definitely more Action Man Kirk than, because you know there's that big disparity between the TV show version of Kirk and the movie version. You're thinking of Star Trek Generations.

No, but he's also like, he snaps that alien's neck at the end. Picard, you're thinking of Picard. What did I say, Kirk? You said Kirk. Oh, sorry, I meant Picard. Yeah, I know, I'm not good at this. Man, you're making Star Trek mistakes left and right. Didn't know the name Zephyrum Cochran.

I'm just going to check that it's correct. I said Lightspeed instead of Warp Drive. You know, actually, I saw Generations on Netflix the other day and I went, I've got to just watch through that. You don't, though. It's like seven seasons. It's good, though, isn't it? Oh, Next Generation.

Yeah. Okay. No? No. People say it's not necessarily the best one. Yeah. I think, do people like, which one do they like? Look, I'm probably a bigger fan of Deep Space Nine.

Yeah, I think that's the one the die hard fans like you who know what Zephyrin Cochran prefer Zephyrin Cochran first result

if you type in Zephyrin why would there be another one I was going to say yeah yeah I mean look what I would probably do I think I might have recommended this on the show before

find yourself a reading order yeah that cuts out some of the yeah absolutely the inessential elements yeah there's a war

with the Borg you should probably check out that that's really good there's some significant characters dying so skip all the

character development up until that point and just watch the episode where they die Riker what about the Riker has a clone episode

yep yeah that's a good one I hear Tom Riker Thomas Riker what about the one where Moriarty gets out of the

holodeck or something or he thinks he does remember that where Moriarty gets out of the holodeck or something? Or he thinks he does. Remember that one? Moriarty's holodeck rampage, yeah. Moriarty's Christmas holodeck rampage. Yeah, that's a great one. Cool. Alright, we've got to move on. Batman negotiations with Matt Reeves

have reportedly broken down. I didn't know that, but I guessed broken down. Yeah, man. Look, it was only a week. depending if this is true, obviously. This isn't losing a director. This is something not coming through. I like to think it says broken down. I'm sure it was just like, oh, not for me, thanks anyway.

But I like to imagine Matt Reeves just kicking a desk out of a third-story window. Like we just see the Warner Brothers offices it's all glass it's beautiful glass skyscraper just hits the water tower on the way down yeah uh they say that talks though could possibly resume when heads cool so maybe there was a desk out the window that's right situation the animaniacs got a thump on the side of their water tower. They're finally free again. Yeah, so, I don't know. I think, by the sounds of it, it seems like Warner Brothers are really pushing to make this happen. And maybe the case is, in doing so, you're driving directors away because they're like, we need this in two years.

And they're like, it's not really... We need it in two weeks now! Yeah, so, I don't know. I think maybe they should make a bit of breathing space maybe just add another year to the to the time frame you know what i mean but i guess they're like we got to get our batman movies yeah but there's still there's still a bunch of stuff on the way other than batman do you mean lean on some other characters yeah maybe this is maybe it's time for return of the jedi yeah bring it back bring it back remastered have you got that on the list

of uh news return of the jedi people haveed. Have you got that on the list? Of? News? Return of the Jedi. No, people have been telling me on Twitter that apparently the, I think it's the Spanish translation of episode eight. Oh, I've got a block of Star Wars news. Okay. We'll go back to that in a second. I was going to say, maybe it's time for a return of like the movie serial.

Right. Like, because people, they can't get out, they can't get out a two-hour movie in the next two years or whatever. Maybe you could bring out 10 minutes. Yeah. Film 10 minutes, post-production, put all the special effects in, put it out, and then we can watch a little bit of the Batman. Yeah, your microphone's doing a bit of a pop in the do. There we go.

How about that? Yeah, I think that's better. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there we go. That should be right. Yeah, and I don't disagree. I think they mentioned that a few years back that one of the rumours was

that they were going to have DC short films before films. DC shorts with a Z. Yeah, I think that'd be great. Don't you think? Just be like, hey, this is a character that we're thinking about doing. Here's a little boost of gold five-minute adventure before your Justice League movie or whatever.

I think that'd be super cool. I think so too. Also, there's a rumor coming from Collider that Ben Affleck wants out of playing the Batman. Yep. Look, again, it's a rumor, but I'm not surprised if this turns out to be true. You know what maybe the solution is?

DC, Warner Brothers, lock down these rumors. Yeah, man. Find out how these are coming out and stop. Presumably at Marvel, there's also people going, you know what, I don't want to be this character anymore. don't want to direct this i don't want to you know i don't like this script or what have you but for whatever reason those leaks are in check yeah yeah but in dc apparently it's just just open borders man i mean if build a wall that's what i say build a wall around water brothers wall the brothers i, again, though, presuming this is true,

but maybe that's something to do with his contract that they need to make it within a certain time frame or he can walk. I did a video the other week on him leaving as director. And one of the things I mentioned is that there was someone at Forbes mentioned that Armie Hammer might be being courted to play Nightwing and just swap him out.

Just make Dick Grayson become Batman. Interesting, okay. Just do it like... So it wouldn't be a Batman for Batman swap where they swap him out for Armie Hammer and they don't say anything. No. They're like, okay, he's the new Bruce Wayne now

and they don't say anything. But he'll be Dick Grayson, he'll show up. Batman will retire, he'll take over. Interesting. You get Ben Affleck to do 10 minutes of screen time or whatever. And then maybe in the future you get him to come back when cooler heads prevail, like the Matt Reeves situation,

when they clean up that desk. They've taped that window closed again. I just think if he doesn't want to do it, maybe don't make him because it might not turn out very well. That's true. Is what I'm saying. A lot of people have also suggested some sort of timeline reboot. Do it DC style within the continuity of the film.

A flashpoint. Flashpoint. Yeah. Is that strange though, that he's the only one that would be recast then? Yeah, it would. And also it'd be weird to,

before the flash has really had a, has been given any real screen time just to be like, oh, by the way, you can alter reality and go back in time with his powers and alter the universe. That would be like putting by the way he can alter reality he can go back in time with his powers and alter the universe that would be like

putting Death of Superman in the second the first one yeah you're right yeah what was I thinking so anyway we'll see

look I think a lot of this though hinges on how good Wonder Woman and Justice League are if they're good none of this is gonna matter you know what I mean

like everything will be fine what happens if they're bad? Oh, then we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. We'll burn that bridge. We'll kick that desk out of a window when we come to it. Star Wars Newsmason. Oh, yeah. We get our first look at Rey.

Rey, I was going to say Pin and Foe. Rey. That's their couple name, Pin and Foe. Yeah. Pin and Foe. Pin and Foe. Did you see that? Yeah, I did. They look the same. They look the same. Rey's hair is slightly different. Yeah. Pit and Foe. Finn and Poe. Did you see that? Yeah, I did.

They look the same. They look the same. Ray's hair is slightly different. Yeah. She's got a lightsaber. She's pulled it back or it's longer. I don't know. People are calling it a mullet.

It's not a mullet because a mullet is short on the sides. Look at a picture of Billy Ray Cyrus from the early 90s. Just stare at it. Just drink in his beautiful eyes. Put it in your wallet. Throw out the photo of your kids. Put it in the Billy Ray Cyrus. But yeah, so look, it doesn't, they look exactly as.

It brings nothing new to the table. Nobody's got some sort of incredible facial scarring or glowing red eyes to suggest anything has changed in any way. That's right. Which is weird because Finn got slashed through the spine. That's true. He did. And he's up and about. There's also story rumors about what he's got slashed through the spine. That's true. He did. And he's up and about.

There's also story rumors about what he's going to be up to, but I'm not going to spoil it. Are you hoping neck brace maybe in this thing? I just think there should be something. No, maybe not a neck brace, but I think there should be some kind of mechanical kind of spine or something like that.

Yeah. You know, or not, or he's just fine. He's in a bacta tank probably. Luke Skywalker got swiped across the face and he didn't have a face brace, did he? No. Yeah. That's Star Warsa tank, probably. Yeah, Luke Skywalker got swiped across the face, and he didn't have a face brace, did he? No.

Yeah. That's Star Wars for you, baby. Also, you mentioned The Last Jedi is plural. Apparently. Apparently. Big spoilers, apparently. Well, not really. No, well, there's two.

Because if Rey's going to be a Jedi and Luke Skywalker, then there's two, yeah. So the idea being that in English, Jedi, the made-up word Jedi, can refer to, it's like sheep. It can be Jedi singular or Jedi plural. But apparently in the Spanish translation, there's a different one for singular and there's a different one for plural.

And in this case, the translation, Episode 8, The Last Jedi, is plural, meaning that there's more than one. How exciting. So we initially thought, well, The Last Jedi is either Rey that there's more than one how exciting so we initially thought well The Last Jedi is either Rey or Luke Skywalker in this case it's both

yeah or more or less or less because it can be any number the fate of Jar Jar Binks has also been revealed

did you see that no so there's a Star Wars Aftermath book series that's been running it's the new Timothy Zahn trilogy. Because, you know, they've rebooted the canon.

So this is like the just after Return of the Jedi kind of thing. Though a lot of the main players aren't in it that much. Like it's a big focus on new characters. I'd say that's the mandate now. Because they don't want to have to scrub everything in a couple of years again. So they're like, if they're in the movie, just don't mention them. Try and say they're off world or say they're doing some other adventure. I think it's also because they're really keeping quiet on that time period

because we don't know exactly what happened. There's a few books that are set there. There's a Princess Leia politics book called Bloodlines, which is quite good, which is like six years before okay uh six years before return of the no returns yet the force awakens there's a there's a few other hints and at that point kylo ren is still training with luke oh and that and it comes comes out the darth vader is princess leia's father and they're like politics nobody knew everyone's like politics i've gone mad mad but uh yeah anyway scandal anyway. Scandal. Yeah, that's right.

Fake news. So I think they're saving that time period until eight comes out. Then they're going to be like, okay, so Luke Skywalker was here. Han Solo did this. Princess Leia was doing whatever. So you know what I mean. Anyway, in the latest book, Aftermath, there's an excerpt that deals with what happened to Jar Jar Binks. Would you like me to read it?

Yes. It's 15 paragraphs long. That's one. Okay. A refugee boy named Mapo encounters a Gungan performing for kids on the street, clowning around in a fountain twice a day whilst being studiously avoided by the grown-ups. Me sir Jar Jar, not going to do the voice, says the clown when Mapo introduces himself. The clown distracts the orphan from his own sadness by popping his eyes and bulging his cheeks.

But he is hiding a sadness of his own. Jar Jar making some uh-oh mistake-ins. The Gungan says, explaining he isn't wanted anywhere either. Disa, Hizun, Naboo, Tink, I help isn't wanted anywhere either. Deesa, his and Naboo think I helped the Uh-Oh Empire. He stares into the distance, suggesting he knows more than he's saying. Basically, he's been reduced to a street-performing clown because he helped the Empire rise to power. So he lives a sad existence where he's not acknowledged by his own people

or the people of Naboo. You know what? His fate's too bloody good for him. It should be worse. Do you think this is... We're done with Jar Jar Binks. It's finished. Do you need to do this fucking kicking?

Does it say specifically that his name is Jar Jar Binks? Yes, he says Mesa Jar Jar. So, presumably. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think you even have to... Yeah, I don't think you do. Who cares? So, he just sinks into depression.

Like, that's his ultimate fate. Wow. Yeah, so, great, I don't think you do. Who cares? So he just sinks into depression. Like, that's his ultimate fate. Wow. Yeah, so great, I guess. I just don't... There's no grim suicide scene after that. There might be. But I guess it does make sense because it would be on public record that he gave executive powers to... Yes, it would.

...to the emperor, so... But it'd also be on everybody who voted him as a senator. That's also true, yeah. So I would blame everybody else on Naboo. Yeah. But, no, well, he was stepping in for Queen Amidala because she was off. Oh, I see, right. He was an unelected official.

Yeah. Interesting. But also he proposed it, but everybody else had to agree. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It's not 100% his fault. You know what? It's amazing. If people think he's ultimately responsible for the empire

he should be dead somebody would have killed he would have answered to him for war crimes and a bunch of stuff they would have looked into it unless he's that secret sith lord still there you go anyway what a what a great ending to a character that we shouldn't even be talking about. Great. That'll be gone in the next edition of that. I'm fairly certain. You never know, Mason. We've got some Black Panther and Thor concept art.

Yes, we did. What did you think of either of those? You have to pick one that you like the best. Thor. Yeah, it looks pretty good, doesn't it? It looks pretty good. We've got some sort of golden ships floating through the air. Yep, yep.

Like sailboats. Sailboats. Yes. Sailor sailboats. What do you call a Viking ship? Just a Viking ship, I think. I think that's the official word. Great.

Isn't it? Yeah. Good. We got a Thor and Hulk battling it out in an arena. Mm-hmm. We had what is apparently Cate Blanchett as Hela. Yeah. Is that true?

I didn't know that. I think that's true, yeah. On Earth, it would seem. Yes. Which is exciting. And a lot of the stuff from Black Panthers, like the Wakandan City and stuff like that, looks cool. Yeah, I'm interested to see how they do it.

I'm giving it a Googs, mate. I'm giving it a Googs, the name of a Viking ship. That's an expression that I coined before the show. Giving it a gigs. We've decided to make it happen, to put it out there. So you at home can give it a gigs too. Give it a good old gigs, mate. Just as Viking ships.

Great. Long ships. Long ships, okay. Nah, K-N-A-R-R. Nah is the Norse term for ships that were built for Atlantic voyages. Nah. The nah. Nah.

Great. Good work. Anyway, it looks good. It's coming along. We'll probably get a trailer for Thor soon-ish. But that being said, also, there's a Black Panther piece of concept art. There's some of him at some sort of African temple. Yeah, yeah.

It's really, really good. Yeah. And there's also one of him. Oh, it's really really good and there's also one of him oh it's not of him it's clearly Wakanda and it's sort of traditional Wakandan homes

and then right next door is this super advanced city which looks pretty good I like the look of that it's real nice it's a fun time I mean it's no

nah certainly I can't argue with that Samuel L. Jackson also said that he's going to be showing what's he said now some future Marvel movies he's going gonna be showing oh what's he said now some future marvel movies uh he's gonna be in um captain marvel but he said uh so you're doing a

black panther movie and the only black character in the marvel universe is not showing up and they were like fury is not in wakanda and he said how can he not know the uh the other black superhero on the planet how the hell how the hell does that work well Samuel L Jackson not all black people know each other all right what way to tell Samuel L Jackson good work also there's war machine though that's true so anyway but I did not know every black person Samuel L Jackson but also it makes sense that he wouldn't be in it like what he's not he's not tied to that you know to those people I don't even know what he wasn't meet him in Civil War. What's Fury's status now anyway? I don't even know.

Exactly, yeah. Who knows? I guess technically the last incontinuity appearance of him was Age of Ultron, right? Yeah, maybe, yeah. Was he in something after that? I don't think so. Maybe he was in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. or something.

Doesn't count though. Oh, yeah, because they're not really connected sort of. It's mostly the Agents turning up after Thor after thor the dark world and being like what happened here well isn't the idea that agents agents of shield is supposed to work the movies are supposed to work without yes that's so colson's still technically dead in the movies yeah he's been alive for like five years yeah that's right yeah exactly also uh there's been reports of a live action submariner something in the works. We don't know whether it's a TV show or whatever.

So I guess they got the rights back from, I think Universal had them or something. Yeah, right. So do you think they're getting their own Fishman out there now? Wouldn't that be fun if they got it out? I think Aquaman is the one DC movie which I'm not worried about at all. I think James Wan's doing it. That's true, you're right. It's all coming along.

Swimmingly, if I dare say. Good work. I'm glad I wrote that down. Very good. I didn't, just to be clear. That was top of the dome, mate. Very good. But I don't know.

Where would you like to see him turn up? Movies, definitely. Wings on feet or no wings on feet? Wings on feet, yeah. Good. Okay, good. And a fun little joke about how can he fly with those tiny little wings on his feet. Mates.

Yeah, I'd be up for that. Some people suggested that Keanu Reeves would be a good... Submariner. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I could definitely say that. I don't think he's broad enough, though. Yeah?

Is his sinister enough face? Does he need a bit of a sinister face? He needs a bit of a sinister face. I could definitely say that. I don't think he's broad enough, though. Yeah? Is he sinister enough face? Because you need a bit of a sinister face. He needs a bit of a sinister face. Maybe Zachary Quinto. Can he bulk up? Yeah, you could do it. He's got the eyebrows for it. Definitely sinister eyebrows, yeah.

Yeah, they'd be good, actually. But he would definitely need to bulk up. We talked about Keanu Reeves last week. Yes, we did. And a lot of people said, because we mentioned a movie we hadn't seen called Man of Tai Chi. Everybody said that's a great film. Yeah, we're going to check it out. We're going to check it out, Mason.

We'll check it out. James Mangold. Somebody said, hey, Tai Chi isn't just an exercise form. It's a martial art. We know. Did we say that it wasn't, Mason? No, we didn't say it wasn't. There we go.

Yeah. That's on us. We said it was going to be very slow, though. Just a lot of posing in a park. With a wind chime. With a wind chime. So, The Wolverine. I'm sorry, Logan's doing real well, apparently. Review-wise.

Yeah, it's doing super well. James Mangold, the director, says that he and Hugh Jackman will probably work together again, but not as Wolverine. But he is interested maybe in doing an X-23 solo movie off the back of this. Cool, man. So yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing it. Does that mean that if he wants to work with Hugh Jack jackman but he doesn't want to do another wolverine does that mean hugh jackman's

going to appear in x23 like in flashback or in who knows voiceover or something or not at all or not at all yeah or as himself or as the boy from oz but yeah uh i still don't think it's his last one i think he'll come back but yeah i mean i haven't think it's his last one. I think he'll come back. But yeah, I mean, I haven't seen Logan, but by all accounts, she's really great. So yeah, do an X-23 movie. Should we do our Logan? Should we do our Professor X impressions?

Oh, an update to see how we're doing. I've been working on mine. You've been working on yours. I've been doing it on the assumption that it's a regular Professor X, but I think it should be sad. Oh, okay. Sure. I'm getting it.

Logan. Pretty good, right? That's pretty good. Pretty okay. Sure, I'm getting it. Logan. Pretty good, right? That's pretty good. Pretty good? Like he's being punched in the chest. He's about to say something and then he's about to yell to Logan across the hall at Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters

and a little kid, one of the gifted youngsters, walks by too fast and hits him in the gut. Like accidentally taps him with a book. He's like, Logan. That's very good. Thank book. He's like, Logan. That's very good. Thank you.

All right. I'm going to have to think of something for next week. A different scenario to bring it back. That's great. What do we got? Sophie Turner says there's a new X-Men movie filming this year. She played... She was Jean Grey?

Jean Grey, yeah. There's rumours that it's the Dark Phoenix saga. Duh. Again. Because we sort of got that. Yeah. Do something else. Yeah.

I mean, but wouldn't you want to see a good version of that? Or do something else? I don't think I would want to see... We've seen... I want to see a more street level story from the X-Men. I thought you were going to be like, go to space or something. Or go to space. Do something else.

Yeah. Because it's been kind of the same thing, hasn't it, for a while now? We get to kind of... I mean, in the last one, the last X-Men 3 was just a whole bunch of stuff spinning around and a lot of fire. X-Men Apocalypse was just a whole bunch of stuff spinning around. Oh, I didn't know which third movie you were referring to. Oh, right, yeah.

But both. Both of them. The third ones were both just a whole bunch of stuff spinning around and everybody caught up in a big telekinetic whirl, and I'm sick of it, if I'm honest with you. Are you sick of this, though? Lion King casting. James Earl Jones is in there, apparently. He's back as Bufasa,

and Donald Glover is going to be playing Simba. Now, what is this? What do you mean, what is this? What is this? I'll tell you what it is, Mason. It's a live-action reimagining of the lion king when i say live action i'm like i'm i'm presuming presuming yeah photorealistic animals right i still think though you can't put enough expression on a regular animal you're gonna what just cartoon it up just a little bit you know what i mean they

know what they're doing do they no i don't think The Jungle Book was a great movie. I think it looks great, as I've said before, but I think you could put more expression in the animals if you cartoonify them a little bit. Okay. Yeah. They've got to bring back Jeremy Irons' scar, right? I mean, you've never seen The Lion King, have you? No, still haven't.

I don't get how you've not seen it. I know, I don't want to be that guy, but you were alive and you were a child when that movie came out. I just missed it. I can't explain it. Unbelievable. And you haven't seen Aladdin? No.

You haven't seen Hercules? No. You haven't seen Tarzan? No. You haven't seen Treasure Planet? No. I said I would, but I didn't. Yeah, I know.

I betrayed you and I betrayed all the listeners. We didn't put a time period on it. That's true. I'll watch it eventually. Because when you said live action version, I'm just like, just those actors with just sticky taped ears. I don't know why I thought, I mean, obviously it's going to be live action,

but with CGI animals. Yeah. But I'm just like. But there's no people in that story. Yeah, that's true. So it's not really like, maybe they'll film real places or whatever. But then again,

like the Jungle Book isn't, none of that is on location. It's all in studio. Right. So make of that what you will. But don't you think that James Earl Jones, Donald Glover, etc. could put enough emotion into the performances that you don't need to cartoon up the faces? Yeah, potentially.

But I just think it adds something a little bit special, a little bit of that Disney magic. Look, I think they're going to do 100 versions of the facial capture and the design, so they'll find something that works. They'll figure it out. They'll all still have dead eyes, though. Yes. What if they use James Earl Jones and Donald Glover's actual eyes?

Like pull them out of their head. Yeah. Well, that's obviously the way to go. I think so. Yeah. Now, you were one of the people who said you weren't happy with the Darth Vader voice from Rogue One, spoiler alert, Force Awakens. That's what it's called, isn't it?

Yes. Do you think James Earl Jones maybe is losing his bloody... Losing his pipes. His timber? His golden pipes. Is it timber? That's certainly a thing to do with voice, but I don't know what part of it it is. And I don't want to make an assumption because people will send me Wikipedia articles about what it isn't.

Okay, good. But yeah, so what do you think about that? Well, again, I have no attachment to The Lion King, so it makes no difference to me whatsoever. It's T-I-M-B-R-E. Yes. Anyway, so hang on. The process of cutting down trees.

Yes. Chopperty chop. Yeah, okay, fair enough. So you don't care. Did you just give that a googs? Yeah, I did. I gave it a bit of a quick googs, mate. Chopperty chop. Yeah, okay, fair enough. So you don't care. Did you just give that a googs? Yeah, I did. Gave it a bit of a quick googs, mate. Nothing wrong with that.

Tell your friends. But no, I guess so. But you know what? I think, I don't know. Did Disney receive feedback on the Darth Vader voice? I don't know. Did people send in angry letters and emails and tweets going, I don't care for this voice?

Definitely. Definitely. Because maybe if they've received a million of those, they'll tweak his voice in The Lion King if they don't. But he's actually been voicing Mufasa on a new Lion King TV series called The Lion Guard. And he comes back and there's a ghost and he's like, look after your family.

That's my James Earl Jones. That's pretty good. Give it a gurgs, mate. Anyway. I'll do mine. I'll do mine. It's pretty good. Give it a go, mate. Anyway. I'll do mine. I'll do mine. Okay. Simba.

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And that was also off the back of him saying last year that he hates comic book movies and he gave a big kick at Batman v Superman. Did he say he hated them or did he say... Didn't he say something like they throw too much money at them and they're not very... Yeah, something like that. I should have looked into it, but I didn't.

There are other directors in negotiations at the moment. But what do you think... Born in Peekskill, New York. There you go. He's not ours, is he? He's not ours. He's American. He was here briefly on holiday for 20-odd years.

Then we booted him for being un-Australian. But what do you think about this, though? A director like that, I mean, I think it cannot be doubted that he's not a great director. Is that too many double negatives? You're saying he is a great director? Yeah. Well, he did Braveheart.

Yep. He did... Apocalypto. No. Have you seen Apocalypto? No, I haven't, apparently. Neither have I. He did Hacksaw Ridge, which I haven't seen,

which is apparently amazing. Uh-huh. Did he direct Bloodfather? I don't think he did, actually. I don't know what that is. That's really good. I thought you were going to say Bloodfart. Gross.

Yeah, right? I was going to say gross. If you have a blood fart, Google it. Give it a googs, mate. Give it a googs and see your doctor. Yeah, but what do you think about this, though? Like a guy like this, like getting a second chance. Do you think he's actually a bad guy?

Yes. Okay. I blame his parents. Because apparently his father was super weird. Right, yeah. He was one of those guys that whips themselves. One of those Da Vinci Code fellas. Yeah, he's a real whippersnapper.

That would ingrain me. Probably mess youci Code fellas. Yeah, he's a real whippersnapper. That would ingrain me. Probably mess you up a bit. Yeah, absolutely. But look, I don't know. I mean, I haven't seen Hacksaw Ridge. I don't know. But at the same time, you know what I feel like this is? And this is why I do not care for this particularly.

It feels like this sort of Hail Mary pass of like, who could we get? Yeah. Oh, you know, who would really call? The bad boy of Hollywood. The bad boy of Hollywood. Like, who would really stir up the establishment? Because Suicide Squad's all about stirring up the normies, upsetting the normies.

We're too extreme over here at Suicide Squad. Well, let's throw in the original bad boy of Hollywood, Mel Gibson, to direct it. Like, they were like, well, David Ayer, that was pretty extreme, but it wasn't extreme enough. Could have been more extreme. Could have been more extreme. Could have been more different boomerangs.

Yeah, exactly. Oh. Well, Mel Gibson wouldn't know anything about that, would he? No, he certainly wouldn't. He's American, so why would he know anything about boomerangs? He'd have to give it a goot. So, I don't know. I feel like it's kind of,

well, let's throw out a name that will just get people talking yeah he also mentioned that he's it's true like he has been talking to them like it's very early days

but it's very possible that this that this could happen look I I think he'd probably do a good job I think he'd make a great Deathstroke

actually I mean that's already been cast but you know Deathstroke's normally a little bit older yeah I guess that's true I think he'd be a good fit

for that but I don't know I don't know how i feel about this yeah yeah so stop letting bad people do stuff in hollywood it's no good and everywhere yeah i was gonna say what about everywhere everywhere let's start with hollywood and then work our way out to everywhere yeah because hollywood tells people what to do in the world hollywood's an inspiration to everybody so if we get out the gross people we We thought this, though, would be a perfect opportunity to talk about some of the best and worst comic book directors. To awkwardly segue into a freewheeling discussion

about directors. You better believe it. But also some directors that would maybe be a good fit for comic book movies who haven't done one yet. Yeah, right. So let's just... It's a power ranking. It's a power...

What's number one, then? Tim Burton's Batman. Actually, I'll do that at another time here. Okay, here's a question for you. Yes. Who do you think is a better Batman film director, bearing in mind the eras that they did them in? Yes.

Tim Burton or Nolan? Ooh, good question. I mean, it's Nolan, obviously. I don't necessarily think it is Nolan. What do you mean, Mason? Because Burton set the trend for superhero movies, I think. I mean, it's Nolan, obviously. I don't necessarily think it is Nolan. What do you mean, Mason? Because Burton set the trend for superhero movies, I think. For garbage superhero movies. They're silly and they're fun.

They pretend like they're dark, but they're ridiculous. They're bad sequels. Yes. I mean, look at Returns. Like, Batman Returns is not good. It's not even really a Batman movie. No, it's mostly about a weird fish man. It's a terrifying clown show.

Yeah, that's right. Exactly. And with a murderer in a bat suit. Like that's what that movie's about. And that was him given free reign. That's true. And that's what he made. Like people say that Batman Forever is bad and it is.

But Batman Returns is also bad for different reasons. Like just because it's dark doesn't mean it's doesn't mean it's better because it's still a shit film i'm still kind of like you know i can understand why he's on the he's on the rooftop and he pulls the wings out of his suit he glides down remember that i thought was that that one that's better okay yeah no i like the bit where he fights all the clowns in the street or whatever. Like, there's good stuff in it. But even look at the action from Batman 89. It's so clunky. It's just like a man in a rubber suit just...

What do you want? Something better than that. But there are moments of fast-paced action in that movie. That's true. And you know what? There's a bit where the guy's got the swords. Yeah, but that's not Batman. That's him.

Batman stands there. There's the bit where he shoots the bloody brass knuckles out of his hand and it hits the guy in the nuts. I remember. There's a part in Batman Returns where he puts a bomb down a guy's pants and kicks him into a sewer grate and he explodes. And he lights a guy on fire with a Batmobile. But also, speaking of filming action,

the action in Batman Begins, the hand-to-hand stuff, with Batman himself is not great. It's filmed too close. I was going to say, I thought you were going to say it is great. And then I'm going to be like, name a memorable fight in that. Okay, I think the ice scene where he fights Liam Neeson is good. Not a real fight, though. No, I know.

But I'm saying that's... No, I mean the actors. Oh, the actors. They were just pretending to fight. But in Burton, that was real? Yeah. Okay, he did it for real fight though. No, I know, but I'm saying that's- No, I mean the actors. Oh, the actors. They were just pretending to fight. But in Burton that was real? Yeah. Okay, he did it for real. Yeah. What Burton said was, whoever wins this gets the box office gross.

Like the percentage. Okay, that makes sense. Did you know Nicholson, we've probably talked about this, Nicholson apparently was estimated to have earned $60 to $90 million. Yeah, and that's from like the early 90s. Yeah. Or late 80s, yeah. It's 80 like the early 90s yeah or late 80s yeah that's great it's 80s money that's crazy he would have done so much cocaine i was just gonna

say so much cocaine yeah i think he still gets some back end stuff from that i bet he does yeah because that was well that was a big deal at the time casting you know jack nicholson because that kind of to be fair you're right that legitimized comic book movies by having an actor like him in it. Yeah. The same way they got Gene Hackman. By 89, superhero movies were way on the outs. Yeah. Like Superman stuff was done.

People were like, everything's too campy and silly. Yeah, yeah. I mean, these were campy and silly, but... Yeah, but it's just... Sheen of darkness. Sheen of darkness. But with Nolan as as well he brought it back from the tim burton not tim burton the joel schumacher like version like he read he revamped

it like people people argue that the batman begins is the best batman movie like the way that it you think you think the dark knight is better uh yes i do think the dark yeah that's sort of why but um but but yeah it's i don't know i, I think Nolan as well made better films in general. Like Nolan did three, Burton did two. Which do you genuinely think you would rather sit down and watch? Today? Yeah. You're thinking about Dark Knight Rises, aren't you?

Whether you want to sit through it. But that look, it's got flaws, but there's some good stuff in that movie man yeah he kills kills tali al ghul in a in a truck he shoots the truck and it falls off the bridge or whatever yeah yeah i don't know i just haven't seen 89 in ages yeah you know what what i do is i'd watch the rooftop scene from right at the start i watch that weird that weird lost in time opening sequence where where it's like you know this it's the 30s maybe yeah it's the it's that vague point in time and the family leaving the cinema and they get mugged by uh yeah by the the guy and then batman lifts him off the off his feet on the roof or whatever and the guy's like american express don't leave home without you

know all that i'd watch all the then I'd watch all the Nolan Batman films. Also, Batman's wearing Nikes in that. He's wearing rubber Nikes. Yeah, nice. Yeah. Look, I'm not saying Batman 89 isn't without its merits. Of course it is. But obviously, Nolan is a better director than Burton in general.

Would you agree with that? Yes. Yeah. Again, except, of course, for the one inexplicable thing that he puts in all his movies where you go just take that bit out i wouldn't have i would have no cause to complain about any of the batman movies the nolan ones if he didn't have the the water vaporizing the mp the microwave device in the first one yep whatever was in the second one that i didn't like and bane just take out out Bane. Just Photoshop him out of every scene?

Yeah, that'd be fine. Okay, fair enough. But Make a Call, which is better? Yeah, Nolan probably. Okay, good. Yeah. Although I'm not saying Burton kicked off a lot of stuff. I can't believe you made me choose.

But also, the Burton universe kicked off the animated, Batman animated series. So it did a lot of good stuff. But I just think the Nolan films are better in general. Yeah. Yeah. But Batman Superman is better than both. I agree.

Not true. Okay. What else we got? Mason, who's a better Superman director? Richard Donner or Richard Lester? Richard Donner did one and some of part two. And then Richard Lester took over and finished part two

or re-edited it and re-shot some of it. Part three and part four, A Quest for Peace. No, you hate them all. Yeah. You know what? I feel Zack Snyder was a better Superman director than any of them. Nah. Yeah.

No, no. For the time, no. I agree. No. For the time, Superman 78 was amazing. Like, talking about kicking off... Superman 78 is your Batman 89. Yeah, I don't doubt it. It's no good, but you like it for some reason.

But you've got to look at it the same way that it also kicked off... It kicked off superhero movies as well. How many of them? Yeah, not... Three more Superman movies and that's it. That's what it kicked off and they mean i know they're they immediately went to shit i'm not saying that but that movie has got so many classic moments and i like a lot of man of steel i like some of man of steel i like half of man of steel sure and i know it doesn't hold up in terms like it's weirdly paced or whatever but the casting is great there's the awesome scene

awesome it's the same way to say awesome jonathan or it's where jonathan kent dies it's not oh that is not an awesome scene but it's a great lesson in why he is who he is man of steel never has that kind of moment where he's walking with his father and having that conversation and eddie clark's like why can't i play football? And his dad's like, you can't play football because you'll hurt somebody else. But not only that, you're not here to throw footballs. You're here for a reason.

You know, you're destined for better things. And then he has a heart attack and there's nothing Clark Kent can do because he's like, even without my powers, I can't save everybody. Probably could have.

In retrospect, could have gone back in time. Yeah, that's true. But he still would have had the heart attack. I guess maybe they got him in the hospital. But the lesson... Could have gone back in time. Yeah, that's true. But he still would have had the heart attack. I guess maybe they got him in the hospital. Could have gone back in time and said, stop eating so many fatty foods. Sure.

But the lesson there is... It's me, your son from the future. I'm your alien. Just go with it. I know you couldn't have kids, but anyway, I've come from space. You adopted me from... I was in a spaceship anyway.

Look, it turns out that I can... I've got a lot of weird superpowers. I can fly and heat vision. I can make a projection of myself. Anyway, look, you died of a heart attack, but it turns out I can go back in time. A lot of people think that I can reverse time or something because I can spin around the world.

I spin the world backwards. I'm actually going back in time. That was representative time travel. I don't technically know where the other version of myself backwards. I'm actually going back in time. That was representative time travel. Representative time travel. I don't technically know where the other version of myself went. Like, is there now two versions? But anyway, the point is,

I've gone back in time. Dad, you're my dad. I'm your son. We're not genetics. We're not related. But I'm going to say, stop eating so much fatty food because you have a heart attack.

But I'm real sad. I mean, you're going to die. You're quite old. You're going to die no matter what. But I'm just saying'm real sad I mean you're gonna die in every you're quite old you're gonna die no matter what but I'm just saying just just say some grins

I'm your son from the future okay bye and then the Superman theme plays but that's the end of the movie yes that's the end

okay good but then it's just a montage of a real fit dad just having a jog chin ups but maybe he had a genetic heart condition and then he becomes Arrow

it's just it's just a lot of chin ups on that chin he's doing the chin ups he's getting higher yeah okay fair enough but also

but the lesson in Man of Steel is don't save me we've talked about this a thousand times alright let's not. Do you know what I mean? Let's skip it, yeah.

Yeah, but do you know what I mean? Like when he could have saved him, but Superman, the point is even though he can time travel, that he couldn't save his father. But he could have. But he could have. It's got a better romance, would you say? I'm ambivalent.

What about the suit? Who has the better suit? Man of Steel. I don't like that Man of Steel suit. It's weird and looks wet. It gets better. That's exactly why I like it. Yeah.

I don't know that the Superman one is just a spandex. Apparently, they use that. They seem to use it whenever they cast a Superman movie. They bring in an actor and they put him in that. And if they don't look ridiculous, they're like, this is the guy. That's very interesting. Because that's a great test to be like, here, put on the dumbest thing you can. Put on the dumbest thing imaginable, you're right.

And if we don't laugh, you've got the job. Because that kind of suit, like if you are in any way out of shape, like not even out of shape, if you're normal, your gut's going to look big and your butt's going to look weird and your legs all sorts of just you know you're gonna have like a weird sunken chest you're gonna look like a tank otherwise you're gonna look ridiculous so did they put henry they put henry cavill in it wow they put is there a is there a photo of that i don't i don't think there is there is one of him they put him in they put him in that suit then they poured a bucket of water on him we're gonna

we're gonna simulate the wet look of the new suit we're gonna dump a bucket of water on him. We're going to simulate the wet look of the new suit. We're going to dump a bucket of water on you. There is one of him in the Superman Lives costume. And that's from when he applied for that one. Oh. Because he went for, it was either Superman Lives or J.J. Abrams won, which he wrote, or it might have been Superman Returns. You know how I'm going to judge these directors? Yeah.

These bloody directors, how I'm going to judge their life's work on a dumb podcast. It's not life's work, Mason. It's just comic book movies. I'm going to go back to the life's work. Okay, fair enough. I'm going to defame their life's work as well. Do they understand superheroes? Yeah.

And I don't think Richard Donner does understand superheroes. I think he understands heroism and like being an upstanding good guy but i don't think i understand superheroes insofar as what he does in this movie is he just lets superman do anything right and i think that's a fundamental misunderstanding of superheroes i just let him do anything but that's how you just have him do anything that's how superman was in the 70s we've've talked about this. But I know, but even the comic book writers hated that. They're like, how do we,

you can't, you can't unpaint, and I mean, that's the perfect jumping off point with Superman would be making this movie is to be like,

well, let's make him less powerful. So you think Zack Snyder has a better understanding of Clark Kent and Superman

than Richard Donner? No, I think they're both quite bad. But for different reasons. But and Superman than Richard Donner no I think they're both quite bad but for different reasons but for different reasons okay but I think I think I think Zack Snyder doesn't particularly care for Superman yeah I don't disagree with that but I think he has a better honest I think he has a better understanding of I guess and you know just for Man of Steel I think he has a better sense of pairing off a hero and a villain, powers-wise. But then he lost that in Batman Superman.

But that's also on the back of 25 years of the evolution of action sequences and special effects. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I think a lot of the stuff in Man of Steel, like the action sequences in particular, that's what it comes down to. And also, it's too much.

Nah, it's the much like no that's the perfect level really yeah like but without him we've talked this to death i don't want to get into this but but yeah i i still i genuinely think we haven't had a definitive superman movie yet yeah it hasn't happened i agree yeah but i'm just saying like if you even in the excesses of the superman comic books I'm sure if they, I'm sure at some point in the Superman comic books he has flown around the world

in reverse time or he stared at a wall and it's rebuilt itself or whatever. That's Richard Lester. That wasn't Richard Donner. That's fine. Either of them.

They would have been the outliers. Yeah. It would have been the writers going, oh, we've got a deadline. I don't know how to fix this. Just have him do that. It's fine yeah that shouldn't be the fundamental building blocks of a superhero in a movie okay to be like you know what he can do anything but what about superman 2 with the the three kryptonians and he he takes them into the the chamber and he depowers them and then he breaks

their hand and kills him thumbs down really you don'tumbs down for all of it. For the killing or the... Just steady of it. Okay. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, let's move on. I'm well into it. Yeah. Bryan Singer did one as well.

You don't like Superman Returns? No. Look, I like Superman Returns, but I understand like it's not great. The plane catch is amazing. Can we agree that the plane catch is amazing? Yeah, it's fine.

Can we agree? It's fine. Can we just agree? All right, fine. God, I agree. It's fine. It's a sad man All right, fine. God, I agree. It's fine. It's a sad man movie, but they shouldn't have set that

in the Richard Donner universe. No. Yeah. What else we got, Mason? Here's an interesting one. This is a guy I think is a great director, but he's not suited for comic book movies. Sounds like a classic fundamentally misunderstanding

of the superhero genre. Here we go. Ang Lee. I'm rubbing me little handies together. Ang Lee and Hulk. Yeah, no good. Not a good match. No.

Ang Lee's an amazing director. He completely misunderstood what makes a good Hulk movie. Or the character itself, the whole thing. Yeah. Putting actual comic book panels in movies. That's what I'm talking about. His transitions. I think because he doesn't know anything about comic books.

Yeah. Maybe these people do. I don't know. Maybe at some point they read a comic book maybe they love comic books i don't know maybe they say that i don't know yeah i think at some point you have to say if you're making a comic book movie yeah i love like even burton was like look i didn't like comic books but i liked dark knight returnss and I liked Killing Joke. Sure, yeah. That's where he found his inspiration. But I think if you're making a comic movie and you go, you know what comic book movies would need? Comic book panels. I think that's somebody who doesn't understand the appeal of comic books.

Totally. It's not that they're broken into panels. No, that's not the, no, no, it's not. Why not just have a guy just flipping through a comic book for a movie but yeah and then they and then then he went well how does the hulk jump so high he must be rubbery yeah so let's let's not have him be a gigantic wall of muscle let's have him be this blown up rubber balloon man also he did all the mocap himself that's right yeah but even like the thing with like the father issues that that's the reason he's got his anger.

I mean, I guess they wanted to make it beyond he's just angry because he's just an angry person. Yeah, I mean, the idea that his father was abusive towards him, that is actually in the comic books. Yeah, but to the extent that they're doing it in this one? No, his father, I mean, yeah, his father's... Like, and the fact that he's such a main player and at the end his father turns into a balloon

and he absorbs... Everyone's a balloon in this movie, I just realised. He absorbs all his power, but it's too much power. No, and I've said about the first Hulk movie, it's fine that he... The idea that the Hulk's various personas and his repressed rage and all that sort of stuff is the result of

you know childhood trauma I think that's a good thing to reveal about the Hulk 30 years down the line right once you've had 30 years of the Hulk smashing things

yeah and then you're like oh this is why I don't think there's room for that in a first Hulk origin movie yeah I literally think it should have been

Eric Banner he clocks into work he sits down at his desk he opens a little little gate thing and he's like First Hulk origin movie. Yeah. I literally think it should have been Eric Banner. He clocks into work. He sits down at his desk. He opens a little gate thing and he's like, oh, gamma radiation. And then he's like, I'm the Hulk. And he just smashes everything for 90 minutes. Yeah.

And then we're out. And then we're out. He fights some dogs in that, doesn't he? Oh, God. The worst. No good. No good. Yeah, I don't like it.

It's not a fun. Are we ranking these directors? Are we? Yeah. Ang Lee's at the bottom. No good. No good. Yeah, I don't like it. It's not a fun... Are we ranking these directors? Are we? Yeah. Ang Lee's at the bottom. Wow, brutal. Well, I guess we've got to talk about... At least Richard Donner's Superman was nice. He was a nice man.

That's what I'm saying. And that's also, Superman's a nice man. You can make him angry. Yes. But he's a nice man. He'll get a cat out of a tree. He's very rarely angry. He's get a cat out of a tree. He's very rarely angry. He's mostly just disappointed.

Do you know Mark Miller has that cat that Superman rescued out of the tree? What? Like stuffed? Yeah, it's one of his favorite movies and he's got it. Huh. Yeah. What it cost him? I have no idea.

You're mates with Mark Miller. We follow each other on Twitter and every year we might say something to each other. But yeah, no, we're great mates. That's what I thought. Yeah. If anyone's got a private message you want me to pass on to him, happy to not do that.

He follows a lot of people. It's not a big deal. Schumacher, we're talking worst. Those Batman movies are bad. But I don't think Joel Schumacher is a bad director. He's made some good movies. What has he made prior to that and after that? I will tell you,

I know he's done Phantom of the Opera. With Emmy Rossum? Was Emmy Rossum there? Yeah, that's a that I will tell you I know he's done Phantom of the Opera with Emmy Rossum was Emmy Rossum yeah that's a good movie man I know people are like he did The Lost Boys he did Falling Down

that's what he did Michael Douglas' alright I wonder if that movie holds up I bet it doesn't I don't know we should go back

to that at some point yeah we probably should we'll do a commentary because I remember at the time when did that come out I remember at the time, because when did that come out? I remember at the time, I think I would have been like 11 or something like that. I'm like, man, this is grim and real.

But I bet it's like a cartoon show now. He did A Time to Kill. He did Tigerland, which is a great movie. Oh, yeah, I've seen Tigerland. Colin Farrell. Yeah, really underrated Vietnam War movie. He did 8mm, a lot of people like that. He did Phone Booth

yeah I like Phone Booth I did Number 23 I didn't see but Jim Carrey is obsessed with I just think there's some good movies in here

he did Flatliners okay Fundamental Misunderstanding of Superheroes or Not no I think that's oh yes definitely

but I think that's also Studio Interference it's a bunch of stuff because he was apparently just like bigger, louder, more colour comic I think that's also studio interference. Right, okay. It's a bunch of stuff. Because he was apparently just like, bigger, louder, more colour, comic books. Like that was pretty much his direction for that movie. You know what I mean?

They're supposed to be fun and colourful. But that just went way too far. Yeah. I don't know. As a throwback, I think as a throwback to the 1960s. Oh yeah, that's on point. It's definitely on point. It's like, imagine throwing $100 million to the creators of the 1960s Batman TV series. on point it's definitely on point it's like imagine throwing 100 million

dollars to the creators of the 1960s batman tv series that's what you would have gotten and to that i feel it's a success are they good no you wouldn't a director from that time wouldn't know what to do with 160 million dollars to be like yeah put them in let's tilt another building sideways and have them walk up oh that's that's what they would do. They would unmoor a real building from its foundations on a crane and literally tilt it on its side and then have Adam West and Burt Ward walk on the top of it. That'd be great. Imagine how many D-list network stars they could have pop out

of the windows for $160 million. Look, it's Jerry Lewis. Yeah, great. Fundamental misunderstand for $160 million. Look, it's Jerry Lewis. Yeah. Yeah, great. Fundamental misunderstandings of superhero movies. I think this guy's the perfect fit. Oh, yes. Though it happened over time. It seemed like he had it, but he lost it.

Bryan Singer. You're right, yeah. Yeah, I think he was the perfect director at that time to kick off the X-Men universe, but then he didn't evolve. He didn't move with the times. Yeah, he didn't change. His X-Men movies are kind of weirdly tied to those first couple,

which are good. I think they're good. X-Men 1 and 2 are pretty solid. What is it that the first two have that all this other stuff has lost? But what is it specifically? Why did we enjoy them so much at the time? Because there wasn't anything like that. Yeah.

But now, like, if somebody released that X-Men movie now, it would be a lot of, well, we've seen this. So do you think it's just he pioneered some stuff and now it's a trope? Yes. And how can you look at, like, X-Men Apocalypse and there's just all jagged metal flying through the air in a weird teleportation or telekinetic force field or whatever and then you see the ending of the avengers where the hulk's flying through the

city smashing up whatever do you know what i mean or like the ending of man of steel well like there's no comparison like that that is a garbage ending yeah but what I'm saying is that like X-Men one and two, like at the time, yeah, they were action packed. Yeah. They were, they were kind of,

they were kind of funny and self-aware. Yep. Like the point, you know, there's the point in the first one where Cyclops is like, how do I know it's you Wolverine and not Mystique? Yeah. And Wolverine's like, well,

you're a dick. And he's like, oh, fair enough. And it's kind of a fun little break the ice moment. Why, why did we enjoy those so much at the time? But you know what I mean?

Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? I don't know. Maybe is it the casting as well? I don't think the new cast is as strong as the old cast. Yeah, I think you're probably right. Yeah. And then...

That being said, I mean, the new, new one, like the new Phoenix, the new Cyclops. Yeah, right. Well, I think they're okay, but I think the originals were better. But I think the new Fassbender and McAvoy are good. That's true. That's not their characters' names.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what it is. I honestly don't know. What do you think it is? I don't know. That's exactly...

Like, if you think of, like, X-Men 1 and maybe Avengers, they've both got a jet. They've both got a team. They've both got a wisecracking character. They've both got an earnest character. They've both got somebody who can shoot lightning. They're both... Yeah. But why do we have more fondness for the Avengers?

Maybe because it's more recent. But that's probably it. Because there's less bad Avengers Marvel movies. I would like the listeners' input on this. If you feel the same way as us, like that Bryan Singer's lost his way in terms of directing these action films, why is that?

Has he lost something? Have we moved on? What specifically is it? It might be that the series itself has been stuck in the past because it's always been tied to those original movies. Yeah, yeah. And maybe we should have moved forward with either different characters. Because whenever they try and they went in a new direction with First Class,

but then it just kind of went back to the original X-Men movies. It slowly made its way back to the original x-men movies like it slowly made its way back to the way it was oh yeah like it got good and then they just kind of returned it to what it used to be maybe it's a pacing issue i don't know yeah it might be yeah i'll never get to the end of this yeah the bottom the yeah anyway i'm glad he's not doing anymore uh brett ratner he did x-men 3 i don't think that's a final fundamental misunderstanding i think it's just wrap up this trilogy. We need a director.

Yeah, exactly. He'll be fine. What else has he done? I think he did the Tower Heist. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What about Gavin Hood? He did Wolverine Origins.

I don't think that's his fault either. Look, that's one of the worst films ever made. Yeah, sure. This is a guy, though, that you think has a fundamental misunderstanding of... I think you think this. I don't think this is true. But Sam Raimi in his Spider-Man movies, do you think he has a fundamental misunderstanding, Mason,

of what makes a Spider-Man movie? Yes. Sadness. He thinks it's sadness. But those movies aren't just sadness they feel for me they feel like 100% sadness

yeah we have talked about this a lot to death haven't we I think definitely by the end like that's probably also more the studio's fault

like 3 is not good I was going to say about X-Men Origins Wolverine the reason that movie is bad is because it was a movie built by committee for idiots

and we loved it because there's an unironic walking away from an explosion bit. Yep. It's like video game kind of like, if you fight me, then I'll give you the information or whatever. Yeah. When the video game is better than the movie, you know you're fucked up.

Exactly. Anyway, Sam Raimi, you're not a fan. We've talked that to death. We probably shouldn't do Sam Raimi. Anyway, I like him. I think he's good. You would. And also for Raimi, you're not a fan. We've talked that to death. We probably shouldn't do Sam Raimi. Anyway, I like him. I think he's good. You would. And also, for the time, man, for the time, any other directors that you love or hate,

I can give you one that has a really good understanding of a source material but got critically panned. Yes. Lexi Alexander with The Punisher Warzone. Punisher Warzone, exactly. That movie is exactly what it should be. That's what I'm talking about. But it still got kicked for exactly what it should be that's what I'm talking about it still

got kicked for for being what it is yeah yeah she got criticized for being like this is too violent you're a monster but a lot of this every kind of action sequence or in that she took from the comics and apparently she was listening to a podcast she wanted to put those comic panels on the in the critic on the critic seats as they come in so they can flick through it. Right, okay, yeah. And then see where it kind of came from and they were like, ah, don't worry about it. And she's kind of been put in director's jail for that. Yeah, she has.

Like she hasn't done... She's pretty aggressive on Twitter as well, as far as I can tell. But I mean, like, there are so many other directors who've just put out bad work. Yeah. And they just continue to get work. Yeah, maybe they're very nice. They're probably real nice.

That's the only possible reason for that. But no, I wouldn't say it's an amazing movie, but it's a great Punisher movie. Yeah, great. Everybody's hamming it up. Dominic West is in there. Yeah, Jigsaw. What about Josh Trank?

Well, we'll never know, will we? No, probably not. But he's done two. Based on Chronicle. Chronicle, which is... I know it's not a comic book movie, but it's a superhero movie. Might as well be. It's Akira.

It's live action Akira. And Fantastic Four reboot. We don't know, really. We don't know. I don't know. I mean, Chronicle's really good. Look mean he's look he's in he's in no he's back on track yeah he's in limbo with david ayer we'll never know i've been thinking about david ayer's doing gotham city sirens he's out oh okay yeah they're rewarding him

yeah great great he's probably a nice guy mason yeah yeah because having gone back i you know we talked about training day last week we talked about some – last week? Yeah. Keanu Reeves. Yeah. I re-watched Street Kings. Yeah. I would be kind of fascinated to see – that doesn't matter.

See what? See Street Kings 2? No, to see how Suicide Squad would have gone. But you initially said that – you changed your mind and you said that he made a bad film regardless. But you do not think that's the case now? It said that he made a bad film regardless but you do not think that's the case now it wouldn't have been a superhero film no okay fair enough look i don't because they weren't they weren't they weren't reshoots right they were reshoots a lot of reshoots yeah but i don't think there was enough good footage in there to make a superhero film

okay i think there would have there enough good footage in there to make a superhero film. Okay. I think there was enough footage in there to make some sort of crime film. Okay, sure. Generic crime film, but some people are wearing costumes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Okay, fair enough. Fundamental misunderstanding of superheroes? Yes, I think.

In your face. In your face, David Ayer. Well, good thing he's getting another shot. Isn't it though? It's weird that DC kind of like give more shots to people who make like critically panned movies. That's a strange tactic, don't you think? It is a strange tactic in a way. Yeah. Anyway.

What about the modern Marvel films? Who do you think fits that universe and is a good fit? And who isn't? Because I would say Shane Black is a great director, but he's not a good fit for Iron Man. Correct. Because he did Iron Man 3, which both of us didn't like. But then there's other examples like the Russo brothers who exclusively just make good comic book movies. Right.

And you, me, and Dupree, inexplicably. Do you know what I mean? So who fits and who doesn't, do you think? Who works and who does not work? Who directed Doctor Strange? Scott Derrickson. He works in the context of that. Yeah.

He gave them exactly what they wanted. Yeah, I completely agree. But I feel the flaw there is that's not what I wanted. The flaw is that he didn't make the exact movie that I wanted. Yes, correct. Wow. But I think Scott Derrickson is in,

and I think it's a better movie than Thor The Dark World, but there is that kind of mid-tier Marvel movies that are just okay. Like Thor The Dark World, Iron Man 2, Doctor Strange, which I think is a little bit better than all of those movies. But then there's the really good ones. Like the Incredible Hulk I'd put in that category as well.

You know, like they're just the okay Marvel movies. Yeah, most people forget the Incredible Hulk is a movie. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I mean, it's a better Hulk movie than Hulk.

Sure. But it's not great. But I think like the better directors are like Joe Johnston is the perfect choice for a World War II era Captain America film I think that's a great movie and I think he's the perfect choice because he did The Rocketeer

like Joss Whedon was the perfect choice for The Avengers The Rocketeer is a superhero movie Perfect Mason He's two for two and he invented Boba Fett What more do you want from a guy? I'd like another thing If you could do a fourth thing, Joe Johnson,

that would be great. All right. Yeah, so, well, I can't remember what I was saying. But yeah, so, what about Joss Whedon? Do you think he's a good fit

for the universe? He made the Avengers, but he also made Age of Ultron. So, I mean, it's kind of... I'm choosing to blame

studio interference on Age of Ultron. Yeah, I'd agree with that. Yeah, yeah. But, well, that's the thing. I mean... I's kind of... I'm choosing to blame studio interference on Age of Ultron. Yeah, I'd agree with that. Yeah, yeah. But, well, that's the thing. I mean... I don't even think Age of Ultron is bad. I quite like it.

It was just exactly the same as the first one. Yeah, yeah. It was more of the same. And I don't know. Because Joss Whedon went from basically... He went from director jail in a way because he made a series of very low-budget TV series and movies and things that...

They all got cancelled. They all got cancelled. They had a cult following, but nobody was willing to pay him big money for anything. And then he jumped from relative obscurity to one of the biggest movies ever made. And then he's got to do a sequel to that. What do you do? What do you do? I feel in a way, if he went in a completely different direction and it bombed what a way to waste that opportunity yeah totally yeah but at the same time now you've got the chance why not make something incredible new and what is he working on at the moment i don't actually know

you know what you should do give it a give it a good give it a good old gigs gigs you know what they're that this is sort of related not really. The people at Fox have said that they're willing to talk about a Firefly revival. Oh, yes. If Joss Whedon wants to do it. Because it's really down to him. Because you know, because everything's coming back now or whatever. Yeah, sure. Nostalgia is accelerating.

Yeah. Nostalgia train is speeding up. I think just maybe let it go. I think a lot of the times you tie these creators to these projects that they've now moved beyond like let let them make other things and move forward you know what i mean i think it's i think it's been too far he's doing wastelanders a web-based end of the world project huh i don't know. Hmm. Oh, no. Sorry, that's unrealized projects.

I see. No, he hasn't really... There's nothing really on the cards here. But yeah, like Age of Ultron, you got... I feel they're like, look, just do exactly the same thing you did last time. We'll make another billion dollars. Yeah, fair enough. And they did.

Just be cool, man. Yeah, they did. So yeah, but I think, yeah, fundamental understanding of comic books i think yes he's he's got that he knows what's up what what about john favreau i love yeah uh wait one and two one and two yeah that's what i'm saying one and two i think two is also a result of studio interference and make sure you put more nick fury and you build the universe and make sure this leads directly into the Avengers and whatever. Yeah, you're right.

Yeah. But I would say I like Jon Favreau as a director, but I think his work is hit and miss. Like Chef I loved, but Cowboys and Aliens was a no good movie that you've seen. I have seen, yeah. Have you? Yeah, sorry.

What did you think? It's fine. I believe we talked about it on the Western episode for some reason. Oh, did we? Yeah, well, it's a Western, isn we talked about it on the western episode for some reason did we yeah well it's a western isn't it yeah

that's not for some reason that makes perfect sense god damn it Mason yeah look I can't remember specifically what I said but I think I enjoyed the western aspects of it

and not so much the aliens aspects of it yeah fair enough I think if it was just a western with Daniel Craig in it I thought that would have been great

would you like to see Jon Favreau come back to the Marvel Universe yes or do you think maybe he'll uh brian singer it and take it back to oh that's a good question i think probably not i think he'd probably do well but yeah we could mason i need to grab this thing off the floor i got it okay maybe he could uh chef style he could uh make a new marvel movie but tie it to some sort of social media platform, like get sponsorship from it. Snapchat. Snapchat, exactly.

MySpace. MySpace. Yeah, great. Also, I think James Gunn is a great fit. I agree. All right. Why don't we talk about some directors then? It can be Quickly or Longley.

I don't mind. Luke Longley. Who haven't... Luke Longley, the basketball player? Or surfer. Okay. Who knows? Where... I Luke Longley the basketball player or surfer who knows where I think he's a basketball player

okay good where the directors who haven't made a comic book movie who should or shouldn't let's do it okay let's do it

go okay actually hang on I got an email I was going to save this for the letters this is from Monica Jones. I'm ready. On the Gmail.

She just wanted to thank us for making her new mind-numbingly boring desk job tolerable. You're very welcome. Thank you. What's your favorite David Fincher film? She said Fight Club. Mine is probably... I like the Social Network. Yeah, Social Network's good.

Does Fight Club hold up? Do you think it's one of those things where you go back and be like, oh, no, this is like, it's all like, ugh, society, bleh. Like, too many Starbucks, bleh. Yeah, you're right. I don't know. I really like Fight Club, but... But anyways, since we're speaking of directors...

You think David Finch would be a perfect choice for a comic book movie i'd like to see him give one a whirl do you know he'd be you know what he'd be great at what's that constantine yes agreed agreed yeah he's done a lot of good stuff gone girl zodiac there's my favorite so i didn't like zodiac why not i don't know because you don't really know who it was that That's not his fault. That's the fact that that was never revealed. He should have got the Zodiac Killer on as a consultant. That's a guy who's, he got out of director's jail.

He made Alien 3. Yeah, that's right. And then, that's not his fault, but that's a balls movie. But then he made Seven, The Game, Fight Club. He made Panic Room. Ladies and Gentlemen, The Best of George Michael. Did he? I don't know.

This is on his IMDb. Great. Yeah. I'm going to say Zodiac because the tension never breaks in that film and I think all the performances are great but also The Game which I haven't seen since it came out.

I liked The Game. Yeah. Anyway, David Fincher, Constantine. Yeah. Justice League Dark. Yep. Totally. Completely agree. Good one. It's Dark. Yep, totally. Completely agree.

Good one. It's a good one, Mason. Monica also asked, can I be the official sassy black girl of the podcast? We've already got one. You're the sassy black girl of the podcast. Sorry, Monica. Sorry, you've lost out, mate. Here's a guy that's nearly made one.

I did the fingers next. Oh, I thought you were testing the mic. George Miller. Yes. Though, was Mad Max an accident? We don't know. See, we don't know. So give him one and see what he does with it.

Yeah, well, he nearly made Justice League. I like how I've spent the first two-thirds of this podcast going, these directors have a fundamental misunderstanding of comics and they shouldn't be let anywhere near any of this. And I'm like, give this guy a go. Who cares? Maybe he'll be fine. Throw $200 dollars at him

it's fine it's weird that he's never done one there's talk that he might do the superman movie okay i think it'd be a great choice for that yeah because he he kind of spends his it's weird because he'll make like he made mad max and then he sort of made he made one of the babe movies he made the second one and we directed secondly he kind of produced the first one and then he made happy feet yep but then he made mad max fury road which is like i'm not almost all these movies are good but they're very different and i just don't know i don't know what he'd do with it yeah like i i just i'd be genuinely curious to see what he does to be coming back to like the early 2000s because we've got george miller on track to direct a dc film potentially yeah like that's people that's what people want we've got george miller on track to direct a dc film potentially yeah

like that's people that's what people want we've got army hammer yeah could potentially be gonna be his batman yeah yeah totally so no just give him one to see what he does with it definitely yeah i feel like what do you reckon superman or something else give him superman yeah i because we've we've done an episode on his justice league justice league mortal yeah and there's a lot of things that like going yeah. And there's a lot of things that, like going through that script, there's a lot of things that wouldn't work now. Like they had Batman kill the villain, like snap his neck at the end. And then I guess that worked its way into Man of Steel. But I think if you gave, you know, however comic book movies are made,

if you gave him a script like that and he tweaked it or whatever and did it in his own way, I think it could be really good. Or maybe you give him an edgier one so he can do whatever he wants now you you were saying earlier you don't think anyone's ever directed the perfect superman film do you do you want him to direct this knowing it may not be the perfect superman film if you could if any that's what i'm talking about like they will they will keep attempting to make superman films forever yeah are you willing to take a punt on George Miller? You know what I mean?

Or if you could get anyone to direct a Superman film, who would it be? Spielberg. Nah. Actually, I've got Spielberg here. I don't think... I like Spielberg, and obviously he is one of the greatest directors of all time.

But he hasn't really made a really good movie in like 15 years. They're all competent. They're all competent. They're all fine. Yep. You hear that, Spielberg? You're most competent and fine. You hear that multiple Oscar winner Steven Spielberg? You hear that iconic film director Steven Spielberg

who's produced some of the most amazing, most iconic films? I know how ridiculous that sounds. I know that. That's all right. That's what podcasts are for, man. We're kicking against the mainstream. Obviously, his worst film is better than anything I could ever do. Like, I know that.

But I'm saying, like, who remembers War Horse fondly? Do you know what I mean? I'm not saying it's a bad movie. Was that the sequel to War Horse? War Horse fondly? That's right. Do you know what I mean? Like, the last one I remember really liking was Minority Report. Like, Munich. I'm sure it's fine. Like, do you know what i mean like the last one i remember really liking was minority report like munich yeah i'm sure it's fine like do you know what i mean like

bridge of spies who cares and also i think maybe spielberg would fall into that brian singer trap yeah like if you'd made one in the 90s i think people would have been like if you'd made a superman movie in the 90s yeah it would incredible. But I think now it would be too slow and dated and too earnest. Yeah. I don't know. That's right. And maybe earnest is what you get

for a Superman movie. Maybe that's what you want. You get earnest. From earnest goes to camp. He's dead, but you get him anyway. Get him back. So I guess George Miller.

I don't know. You know what? I'm going to say Danny Boyle because I love him. Get Danny Boyle to do a Superman movie. Talk about him in a bit though. Loves bloody sunshine. You know he does.

Superman loves sunshine too. That's a great movie, Sunshine Mason. I've mentioned it. Joe Carnahan nearly did Daredevil. He's like a 70s gritty version of Daredevil. Would have been great. But before it went back to Netflix, which turned out pretty well. But he's also doing the remake of The raid with um what's his name oh he's he's crossbones frank grillo all right okay

why are they doing that like i don't know anyway yeah i know that is it yeah that is a tough that is a mountain to climb to do better martial arts than a Raid film. Yeah. I mean, that's built around martial artists. I like Frank Grillo. I think he would have made a great The Punisher. Yeah. It's just going to be a lot of him shoving people through walls. Yeah. Hitting someone with a refrigerated door or whatever.

Yeah. What about the Wachowskis? They nearly did Plastic Man. We talked about Keanu Reeves' Plastic Man. That's the one they nearly made. Do you think they would be a good fit for a movie

comic book movie a movie certainly because they're guys that haven't made like arguably a really good movie

since the Matrix people say Cloud Atlas is a marvel of filmmaking despite not doing super well people say

Jupiter Ascending makes no sense I should see that I haven't seen it yet what's the one with Dane DeHaan coming out? Is that one of theirs? No, that's...

I was going to say Immortal City Instrument of Bones, but that's a different one. It seems like something that should be theirs. No, that's the guy who did bloody Fifth Element. Ah, I remember. Luc Besson. Yeah, sure. Of course it is.

Frencho McFrenchy, whatever his name is. So what about the Wachowskis doing? I don't know. Maybe they're giving something ridiculous. Maybe a plastic man. Maybe ambush bug. What about a blue beetle? Doom Patrol?

What if they gave them Doom Patrol? Okay, sure, yeah. What if they didn't give them anything? Well, yeah, that would work too. I mean, when I think superheroes i think maybe like fun and colorful and a lot of action and so i think speed racer which was no good yeah so you want something that's more that movie was full of light and color and action but it was so boring yeah so i think that's maybe what they're going to bring to the table a lot of movement no no fun

so you want something that's like closer in tone to The Matrix because you want to work within their strengths. Yeah. Yeah. What about J.J. Abrams? He wrote a Superman movie that never happened because he's a very competent director. He is competent. Yeah.

Now I'm done with competent. Okay, good. You're out, Abrams. We've got to wrap this up in like 10 minutes. Okay, good. All right. People always say Quentin Tarantino. Yes. Give him, I don say Quentin Tarantino. Yes.

Give him... I don't know, something gritty. James Cameron? No. Absolutely not. Brian, he'll singer it. Yeah. What about Edgar Wright?

Give him a DC property. See what he does with that. Yeah. Give him like a Blue Beetle. Yeah. Give him a Bug One. What about Peter Jackson? No.

Good call. Probably. I don a bug one. What about Peter Jackson? No. Good call. Probably. Because, I don't know, he doesn't, is he suited to doing anything other than a massive epic? Well, he's not even really suited to that. Well. Because that, God, we're just kicking. We're just kicking, aren't we? Yeah.

I'm a bad bloke. I don't like it. All right. Well, we've got to move on then. You got any more? Because you've got to get to work, so we've got to scoot it along. Oh, yeah. Let's scoot it along.

All right. It's time for What We Reading. What are we going to read? What are you reading? That's time. We're going to split along. I'm doing the thing. What are we reading today?

I watched the first episode of Legion. And? We should really sync up the shows we watch. Nah. Because every week you're like, I watched this show, and I'm like, I'll watch it next week. And then I come back and I'm like, I watched the thing you watched last week.

What did you think of it? I love the imagery. It opens up a lot of doors. That being said, I hope, and I don't know if I haven't watched any of the subsequent episodes yet. I haven't watched two, yeah. It's been two. It does feel a little bit like Mutant X.

It could go in a Mutant X direction. I don't think so, judging from episode two. Special effects are not bad. That being said, unless he develops more powers, at the end of the first episode... Look, spoilers. Spoilers for Legion for the next 30 seconds. I haven't seen it.

At the end, he's rescued from his certain death. Yeah. And one of the guys who rescues him has the same powers he does. Well, no, he's more throwing rocks and shit. He can throw rocks. Yeah, but he can do more than that. Well, he better be able to do more than that, because otherwise... Trouble. Yeah. Well, we don't really know what he can do yet and shit. He can throw rocks. Yeah, but he can do more than that. Well, he better be able to do more than that, because otherwise... Trouble.

Yeah. Well, we don't really know what he can do yet either. Yeah. Well, I hope he's more like the comic book version. Well, I mean, the acting's great, and I like seeing Aubrey Plaza and stuff. It's good. In the comic books,

one of the abilities that he does have is if somebody's killed nearby to him, he absorbs their personality. And if they have powers, he can sort of replicate those. That's where some of his multiple personalities come from. So my assumption here is that he's absorbed Aubrey Plaza's personality. So that's not just a memory of her.

That's actually her. Oh, that's cool. Very good. Maybe. Maybe not, though. Maybe not, though. I saw Trainspotting 2, T2 Trainspotting 2. Yeah, how'd that go?

I'm a big fan of the first one. I really enjoyed it. I love those characters and I liked being back in that world. It's not as grimy as the first one because the first one's all set in heroin dens and whatever. It's all horrible wallpaper and there's a little bit of that. But no, I love seeing those characters 20 years on and seeing the consequences of their actions. They've all kind of come back to bite them in the ass. You know what I mean?

Because they're kind of flitted away their 20s with heroin and drinking or whatever and then when you're mid-40s they're like shit do you know what i mean like what am i what am i doing yeah um and look it's better when it's moving forward like telling the story that it's currently set in because there's a there's probably a few too many throwbacks to the original right but um it's you know it's a lot of kind of like, hey, remember this from the first one? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. But, no, I'd love to see another one.

I really liked it. I like these characters. Ewan McGregor's great. They're all great. It's really good. T3. T3, baby. So, no, big fan.

So it didn't disappoint you after? No, not at all. Yeah, not at all. I liked it a lot. That's a pretty good feat. Yeah, yeah. Would you see... It, not at all. Yeah, not at all. I liked it a lot. That's a pretty good feat. Yeah, yeah. Would you see... It's not as good as the first one.

Would you watch Trainspotting v. Sunshine? Yes, I would, big time. Dawn of Daytime. Dawn of Daytime. It's the Trainspotting characters, they've made it onto the space station. They have to reignite the sun. Yeah.

The astronauts have gone mad, but it's okay because some of the Trainspotting characters are still mad. That's true. They of the Trainsporting characters Are still mad That's true They live in that world man Yeah Moving along Mason Letters time

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through this guys not my fault though obviously do you think this is from Tim Belvins do you think collecting comic books

for any financial value has ended due to the inception of digital comics yes but I don't think the stuff that they say is a collector's edition

and rare is gonna be the stuff that's rare no it's gonna think the stuff that they say is the collector's edition and rare is going to be the stuff that's rare it's going to be the shit that people throw away yeah that's that's rare yeah see i what what i what i think has happened is because everything in this world is collect like has become quote-unquote collectible now everybody's collected the reason that action comics number one is you know you can you can get $2 million for a mint condition copy is because at the time comic books had no value. They were like the newspaper. You read it. You tore it up.

You gave, you stuck pages in your notebook. You gave it to your friends or whatever. Then you threw it away. Yeah. Or your parents threw it away. And so now there's like a hundred copies left in the world. Now everything, you know, even all the stuff in the nineties where they printed off a million copies of everything, none of that's worth everything because in the 90s where they printed off a million copies of everything,

none of that's worth everything because everybody bagged and bought it. Yeah. These days now, even when they only print like 30,000, 50,000 copies of something, everybody's holding it and collecting it and boarding it. So it'll be hundreds of years before any of that's worth anything. Maybe signed stuff potentially depending on who signs it and who dies. yeah yeah absolutely this is from brandon bills hashtag weekly planet pod what are your favorite kurt russell movies ps you should do an episode on kurt russell's career yeah we probably should ah the thing for me it's pretty good i love the thing a big trouble in

little china yeah i knew it's uh yeah you're a bloody yeah i'm very predictable executive decision nice i don't think I've seen it. He's on the internet for five minutes, isn't he? No. That's Steven Seagal. Spoiler alert. Save the president! He's out the...

You got a letter? Danny Higgins would like to know, he started watching The Americans. Do you enjoy The Americans? I've seen most of the first season. I did like it. He got him thinking about a Netflix show about the Winter Soldier

during the Cold War. Would you watch that? Fuck yes. Yeah. Definitely. That's the thing. Would Sebastian Stan be in that? Yes.

Would he? He'd have to be. No, I guess he would. I mean, he wouldn't have to do it, obviously. Yeah, it's true. But what about some sort of Cold War-era Marvel series that occasionally features Winter Soldier? So you've got like a young Ant-Man and Peggy Carter and whatever.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Agent Carter is, you know, that's done. Do you think people would watch that? I think they'd be more inclined to watch a Winter Soldier one than a Peggy Carter. Because obviously what we had from season one did really well yeah in season two not not as well yeah because i'm because i'm i'm kind of fascinated by that era of the marvel universe because obviously like you know it sort of kicked off in the 60s and then you know or you know we've had all the we've had all the storylines up until now

yeah but basically they've had to modernize all the characters from the 60s so like you know instead of captain america waking up in you know the 60s and spider-man getting his powers in the 60s captain america woke up 10 years ago when spider-man got his powers 10 years ago yeah which means that from the 1940s till now you know till 10 years ago this is this is enormous gap and it keeps widening yeah and so what do you throw in there yeah and marvel tried every once in a while. They had a thing called the Lost Generation where they threw in some sort of 60s characters, et cetera.

But I'm always, there can't just be an empty space in there. No. So I want to see Marvel fill that in. And there are hints of it in the movies. Yeah. Like we know Hank Pym was doing missions to the US government. We know Stark was building stuff in Peggy Carter. And we know that the Captain America's crew,

what are they called? The bloody... Oh, the bloody Howling Commanders? Yeah, we know they were still in operation for a long time. So there's a lot of stuff you could do there. I think it's not a thing for ABC though. No. It's a Netflix thing.

Yeah, yeah. It's obviously been proven again and again that that's where you put your superhero shows. Maybe like an anthology series, like maybe half a dozen of them each one features a different yeah absolutely or maybe some sort of like cold war like maybe sort of in the style of shield maybe some sort of cold war agency who are trying to deal with all this stuff happening right so we get hints of the winter soldier we get hints of the howling commanders etc totally who knows sounds good who doesn't know nobody knows nobody knows that's the show for this week we did it uh So we get hints of the Winter Soldier, we get hints of the Howling Commandments, etc. Totally. Who knows? Sounds good.

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