The Weekly Planet - 177 Is Iron Fist A Terrible Crap Thing?

Episode Date: March 20, 2017

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Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet Official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com Where we talk movies, comics, TV shows My name is James, also known as MrSunday With me as always is my co-host Nick Mason I'm here You are here

What happened there? That was I don't know, I was going to think of a thing to say Did you forget what my name was? I was going to say co-host with the mo... Host. But I think I've already said that. Also, it doesn't make sense. No, it's not a...

Yeah. It's not anything. It's not a mohawk? No. You haven't mentioned my mohawk. Yeah, it's very good. Thank you. And people will see your mohawk in person next week.

Some people, anyway. That's right. We're doing our Planet Broadcasting live launch event next Saturday. So by the time the next week's episode comes out, it'll be done. Yeah, 25th of March. It'll either be a crippling failure or a crippling success. Also, if we're going to do plugs, I'll get them all out of the way. Yeah, no, that's true.

I was on this week's episode of It's a Duck Blue with our friends Michael and Sarah. Great show. Yeah. We talked about the episode of Yuppie Duck. Any gizmo duck? No gizmo duck. Yeah, you've never done a gizmo duck one.

That's your dream. It's my dream to do a gizmo duck episode. Yuppie duck. Yeah. The boys, the boys, the nephews. The Beagle Boys. No, the Duck Boys. You can't call them that because there's already the Beagle Boys, so you've got to call them

someone else. You've really put me to bind here. Sorry, I know you pre-planned this, but I really derailed it. So anyway, that's on iTunes. Yep, absolutely, yeah. If you want to watch the episode first, then you can sort of listen along with us. Definitely. Sounds good, Mason.

Great people and great podcast. All right, first bit of news. Michael Rosenbaum and Sylvester Stallone, they're both playing very important roles in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. So Michael Rosenbaum was Lex Luthor in Smallville? Yes. And Sly Stallone was Tango in Tango and Cash.

Correct. His most famous role. Or he was Cash. He was one of them. He was the stockbroking one. He was the nerd to Kurt Russell's Men of the Street. And he famously disses Rambo in that role.

Right, that's true. And Kurt Russell also famously disses his penis size in A Shower Seed. There you go. There's a lot of dissing going on in that movie. There's a lot of dissing and flying foxing out of prison. And one high five, but it's well earned. Michael Rosenbaum was also in the movie sorority boys yes he was yep and he's in some sort of pool sharking movie as well i think okay pool sharky yeah pool sharky

and the boys that's the one good anyway so their roles though we don't know what they are but we james gunn said they're linked to each other yeah okay so i don't know i don't i have no idea who that is we received some speculation on the on the gmail i'm ready i'll find it for you we can edit out this silence i won't unless i keep talking in which case there'll be We received some speculation on the Gmail. I'm ready. I'll find it for you. We can edit out this silence. I won't. Unless I keep talking, in which case there'll be just enough silence for it to be annoying for the listener. Hot scoop room of guests.

Here we go. Our friend Vinny, Vinny Policastro. Right. New York style. Here's a theory that they might be Galactus and Silver Surfer. Oh, that would be pretty good. That would be pretty good. I mean, it involves some wheeling and dealing because they're owned by...

Yeah, yeah, various. All different. Fox, Sony, one of them. Are they? Because there could have been some trading happening. We don't know, yeah. Those are good castings. But they are two characters linked together.

Yeah. Michael Rosenbaum. Bald. I mean, not bald. He shaves his head but he can be bald he's proven that he can be bald he's a proven bald man also that means that tango and cash are both going to be in this movie that's fantastic right have they done anything else together maybe how about this they're tango and cash and michael rosenbaum plays their son they've adopted or given birth to.

It's space, so anything goes, man. That's right. Who do you think it might be? I honestly don't know, but I like that. Yeah, well, I guess if you've got Ego the Living Planet, it's not crazy that they would put in Galactus. They could be, and they're traditional rivals. That's right.

Galactus and a planet that Galactus wants to eat. That's right. Tango and cash style. I get it. And at the end they could maybe have a well-earned high five. Just crash into each other. I love it. We've got more Guardians of the Galaxy news, but this time

it's for Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3. What? If you don't mind me jumping ahead a few years. Second one's not even out yet. I'm not even sure the first one's out yet. That is definitely out. That's been out for a while. You've seen it. You've seen it multiple times.

Okay, cool. But James Gunn said that it definitely will happen, but he might not direct it, which is no surprise. I mean, he said something like, their three-year commitment, I've done too. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So I can understand that.

It would be a shame if he didn't, but also if he's not really feeling it. Exactly. Fair enough. And also. Like don't Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 3. Exactly. And he's going to spend, as it is, he's going to spend the rest of his life fielding questions about every single frame of both of those movies.

Yeah, that's right. In this speck of dirt, in this part of the cosmos, was that this character? Yes. It definitely was. Sure. Totally. It was that guy. It was your favourite character that I put in a speck of dust

in that nebula because I knew you'd see it and I knew you'd love it. Let me just sign everything you have here and I'll go. 96 years old being asked these questions. Do you have anyone who you think would be good to take on that? It's because it's a very specific universe. It is a very specific universe. It does really, I mean, we've seen one at this point,

but from judging by the trailers of the second one, it feels very him and the world he's created. Yeah, it needs a specific sensibility. Yeah. Let's say Matthew Vaughn. I was going to say bring Kenneth Branagh back. See what he does. Yeah, he could do it.

Yeah, sure. Well, he's kind of more Shakespearean, but I reckon he could do it. I only say that because we just saw Kenneth Branagh in a trailer. We did. Do you want to talk about that trailer then? Yes, let's talk about it. Mindhorn. Mindhorn.

From the creator, one of the creators of The Mighty Boosh. Yeah, so that's Julian Barrett, who was Howard Moon in The Mighty Boosh. Yep. Also wrote half of it and did all the music. My understanding is, and I think you told me this, that the weirdness of The Mighty Boosh and all the off-kilter stuff was Noel Fielding and the structure and a lot of the kind of... Of the plot.

The plot and, you know... The characterisation. Yeah, what came from him. Is that correct? No, that's an assumption on my part. Oh, okay. Only because Noel Fielding afterwards did Noel Fielding's luxury comedy, which is just wibbly-wobbly and no plots yeah okay so i don't know

too many plates spinning yeah yeah but this looks really good yeah absolutely i don't know is this outside of the scope of our podcast necessarily movie trailer yeah totally yeah so it's a fake tv show from the 80s like a macgyver or a what's his name the six million dollar man yeah that's yeah it's very six million dollar man yeah that's yeah it's very six million dollar man it's a bit air wolf I don't know that so like so he plays he portrays this washed up actor who in the 80s played Britain's greatest detective Mindhorn yeah who has a bionic eye that lets him detect lies he can see your lies he can see your lies uh and now he's out of work and but it's modern day yeah modern day he's out of work and uh a serial killer is on the loose who believes

that mindhorn is a real detective and it will only speak to him right so he has he has to come back into action yeah for the first time basically very excited looks excited what was the last thing that he did i can't even remember. That's a good question. I don't know. He's probably been quietly chipping away. Yeah, I think he's made some guest appearances and stuff like that. He's been in a couple of movies in little spots. The last, if people have seen The Mighty Boosh and want something else,

he's also in the show Nathan Barley, which is about, which is I think came in like 2004 or something like that. It's the one that predicted memes and the rise of like the internet culture. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He plays it. Charlie Brooker made that, didn't he? Yes, he did.

Yeah. So he plays a journalist who writes an article called Rise of the Idiots, which is about, I don't know, just like vlogging and hipsters and all this sort of stuff. Yeah. And they, and they all collectively gather around him because they think he wrote it ironically. Yeah, right. And so he sort of becomes this folk hero and he's involved with all this stuff

and he meets a guy called Nathan Barley who's like the king of the idiots. Yeah. Who's a lot of those Nathan Barley guys like exist now. Oh, yeah, totally. In real life. Yeah, exactly.

Like it really was ahead of its time. If you release that now, you'd be like, well, this isn't very kind of, you know, this is a pretty obvious kind of parody. But this happened like 10 years before that shit actually happened. Anyway, that's a great show.

Yeah. Anyway, this looks like fun. It does look a lot, it's got Steve Coogan in it. It does look a lot like, remember Alpha Papa? Yeah, it's great. Which is the last Alan Partridge movie. But it's kind of the same theme of like. Right.

Washed up. Washed up guy. Yeah. British. British. Has to get into, get amongst it and get in the action but i don't know it looks it looks fun yeah absolutely i'm well into it mason i don't mind are you well into henry cavill joining mi6 potentially as the villain not in not the real

mi6 i was gonna say yeah it took me a second and i'm like what man from because because he was in man from uncle he was in that from uncle yeah yeah.C.L.E. He was in Man From U.N.C.L.E., yeah, yeah. And then real MI6. Is this a promotional video for MI6? Do you think... So Mission Impossible 6. Yes. He's not the lead.

No. Do you think if it's MI6, it's going to be British intelligence? They'll base it around that? I hope so. I mean, MI5 wasn't based around British intelligence. Or was it? I don't remember. It definitely was not.

But there was a British lady in it. Yes. And he did an underwater swim. That's true. He did an underwater swim through an underwater fan. Yeah. It's true. But, no, what do you think of that?

I think they'd be missing a trick if they didn't. Yeah. There you go. I agree. And he can get to use his own accent. Do you think that would- Which I don't know what it is. I assume it's posh-ish.

Yeah, it's posh-ish. Yeah. Yeah, posh-ish. Have you ever seen The the count of monte cristo no from the early 2000s 2004 it's got guy pierce it's got a young henry cavill no jim caviezel oh it's a good movie man do you like revenge i love it like sword fight i don't love revenge and vendettas as much as you do but i like yes i'm a big fan of revenge you know that uh but no i think it's definitely worth checking out and great good more spy stuff for henry cavill who was nearly bond as well so that's true that was a that was a thing that very very nearly happened here's

something that is has been happening and will continue to happen for the foreseeable future link whatever this is that's a great link last night mason i watched the last night trailer same i did as well no you watched it here, not last night. Oh, I see. This night. You confuse me again. Yes, I have. What did you think?

Again, it looks great. I don't mind it. It looks great, but it's going to be excruciating and long. Why is the girl looking at the camera? It seemed like she was about to advertise some sort of... Like a nerf? Yeah, maybe. I thought more of a nutritional supplement for teens or something.

Yeah, sure. They say I fight like a girl and I throw like a girl. Yeah, Nike. Yeah, right. Sure. All right, I'm on board. But again, it's not going to be great. No, certainly not.

I can see the other movies that it's aping in it. They did bring back the dinobots which i didn't think they would oh yeah uh but like there's there's the little bb8 droid that she kind of hangs out with you know what i mean there's there's the little cute dinosaurs which is you know kind of like your minions or whatever did grimlock give birth to those it's a really good question like hermaphroditic i don't know what any of them are it's never been explained right yeah but there's also girl ones because we've seen them in the second one i think there's Like hermaphroditic? I don't know what any of them are. It's never been explained. Never explained, right? Yeah.

But there's also girl ones because we've seen them. In the second one, I think there's motorcycle. The RC twins. Yeah. The three RC twins. That's right. Very, very good. So I don't have any answers to that.

But it looks like it's Planet of the Apes except drones have taken over or something. Right. I think maybe those are Unicron's drones. Oh, okay. Right. So Unicron's come to earth and i think that's doing a thing do you think these movies would work better with the sound off oh wait uh i think they'd be less obnoxious i think with a with a with a with a critical edit and no audio of any kind yeah okay they'd be quite service you're probably not wrong. Somebody try that out there. I think with a critical edit and a high-pitched wail, I think it would be much better, if I'm honest.

With a critical edit and like a knitting needle through the ear directly into the brain, I think they'd be quite good. Serviceable. I'd love to be surprised, though. Me too. Yeah, so remember the fifth ones when things get good again or something.

That's worked precisely once for the Fast and Furious franchise. We've also got Pirates 5 coming this year. It's gearing up, mate. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so also like... But also aren't we hoping that this one is good-ish and does well enough that we get a sequel

not directed by Michael Bay? No, you know what? I'd rather see none forever. Wow. Than it do really well. I feel like a lot of people like these, but I just... Nobody likes them. No, people email and tweet and say they enjoy them.

So I can't, you know. All right. But I'm not a... I don't like them. I don't like them both. Good way to take a stand there. Just trail off. Not a fan. DC News. Oh way to take a stand there. Just trail off. I don't like him.

Not a fan. DC News. Oh. Got a bunch of it. Some good, some bad, some puzzling. I've just kind of mashed. The Riddler's back. Yes, he's back.

Remember when everyone was like, get Leonardo DiCaprio to play the Riddler in Dark Knight 3? Remember that? Yeah, I remember that. There was a lot of fan art. Neil Patrick Harris was an option as well, I think. not in that world doesn't work because he's too theatrical yeah exactly not in the nolan world i think maybe in this this current one oh absolutely yeah but in the dark knight no no i don't think so don't get me wrong he's a song and dance man he can do

anything but no stay in your bloody corner neil patrick harris all right for that movie that you were never considered for. Hugh Jackman's also a song and dance man, and he pulled off Logan. That's true. And that one, the magician one. Precisely. But that was very theatrical, wasn't it? Yes, it was.

Let's kick things off, though. If Hugh Jackman feels natural in any particular pose, it's either adamantium claws out or with a cape in front of his face. Phantom of the Opera style or with like a cape in front of his face face man of steel 2 yep might be directed by Matthew Vaughn all right that's great news we were talking about this the other week and we were trying to think of directors and a lot of people tweeted as well like why did you say Matthew Vaughn it's you guys always talk about matthew vaughn because it was so obvious obviously we were thinking about we didn't forget anyway that is a great choice that being said if i was matthew vaughn yes spoiler alert i'm not matthew vaughn he's had

a really good run with the kind of fox mark Mark Millar comic book movies. He did Kick-Ass and he did Kingsman and he's going to do Kingsman 2. He should do Superior instead of Man of Steel. Yeah, okay, right. That's what, if I was him, that way you can craft your own universe. He left the X-Men franchise to do Kingsman. Yeah. He made a great X-Men movie and instead of going, oh, I'll build on this, he went, you know what, I'm going to do my own thing.

So if I was him, that's what I would do. Because I feel like if any movie can be a Superman movie without Superman, like a proper one, it would be superior. Because that character encapsulates everything about the comic book version of Superman. But wouldn't you like to see a good Superman movie? I'd rather see, yeah, but I don't think that you can really. Ever? No, I don't think in this universe you can't get that version of Superman.

Oh, I see, right. Because he's done too much weird stuff. That's true, yeah. You know what I mean? And that's not a slight against the character. I don't love all the stuff they've done with him, but I'm just saying, they can just keep doing whatever they're doing with him.

You can just do a clean version of Superior from the the start it doesn't have to adhere to any continuity it's a boy who's sort of got the powers mixed with shazam or captain marvel whatever you call it and superman and i guess you're right in the sense that as as a creator you might maybe you'd want to hear you more than yeah he did a superman movie it was fine you'd want to hear this guy did superman better than superman. Exactly, yeah. That kind of thing. Have you read Alan Moore's run on the comic book Supreme? Have you ever read that?

No, but you're a big old fan. I won't stop talking about it. Is that Unfinished? No, that's Miracle Man. That's Unfinished. But this is basically... Is that the one he took from Rob Liefeld and said, I'm going to change everything about this?

Yeah, Rob Liefeld's 90s creation Supreme, which was like Superman but more extreme for the 90s. Right. Many years later he offered it to Alan Moore and said, do you want to do a run on this? And Alan Moore said, I'll do it, but I'm throwing away literally everything about this character except kind of how he looks and then I'm just going to reboot it again.

And it was essentially this extended love letter to the concept of Superman. Right, right. Real good. Real primo. Primo. Good work. Primo content from Alan Moore. The king of content.

The king of content. I feel if he heard me say that he was the king of content, he'd strangle me to death. He'd set some kind of mythical dragon onto you. Probably from his cave. That's it. The other news is that Ben Affleck has revealed that he's been dealing with alcohol addiction

and he's just completed a stint in rehab. Batman is being pushed back. Maybe not as a direct result of this, but the rumor is that Matt Reeves is pushing for a complete rewrite. I've heard that. Maybe not him, but also people over at DC. And it's not necessarily linked to this. And as a result of this, they're looking for something to fill that void.

Alcohol. Yes. It always helps, doesn't it? Yep, that's right. So, I mean, that's obviously no good for Ben Affleck. No. He went through a pretty public kind of separation. I'm not sure what the situation is there yet.

He hasn't clearly been happy with the stuff he's been involved in with DC. People won't shut up about the Batman when he's trying to promote literally anything else. Exactly. Like, yeah, that's exactly it. So I can understand he'd,

he'd obviously be, he's punching darts like a madman, smoking durries outside any venue you care to imagine. Yeah. And I think this also kind of lends to the whole, I wouldn't be surprised if he just clean left. Yeah. Like,

yeah. We get a reboot probably. Maybe. Or army hammer yeah exactly we're going to tweet about that later which actually we can we can talk about but because that's being pushed back the story is that warner brothers are looking to fast track something else and start filming this year and these are your five options mason i'm ready to pick one ambush bug those that's not an option okay fine fine six options Ambush Bug nice Captain Carrot and his amazing zoo crew

seven options thank you The Flash yep Gotham City Sirens yep which will be directed by David Ayer who did Suicide Squad

and the screenwriter is Adam Kozud who did Tarzan and Jack Ryan Shadow Recrut oh yeah I didn't say that one no because Jack Ryan is irrelevant Irut. Oh, yeah. I didn't say that one. No. Because Jack Ryan is irrelevant, I want to say. In many ways. He's eternal.

Yeah. Because he's been so many actors and in so many movies. And a TV show now, maybe? Maybe, yeah. Yeah. But who cares? I think Jim from The Office is going to be the new Jack Ryan. Wow, really?

That might be wrong. I'd watch that. Sure, yeah. I wouldn't. Watch it? Yeah. That might be wrong. Don't quote that. Sure, yeah. I wouldn't. Watch it? Yeah. That might be wrong. Don't quote me on that.

What do we have? We had Alec Baldwin. We had Harrison Ford did two. We had Ben Affleck. And then we had The Son of Orpheus. Yeah, and then Chris Pine? Chris Pine did one. But here's the thing.

Yeah. Name a characteristic of, what's his name? I've forgotten his name. Jack Ryan. I've literally forgotten his name. Jack Ryan. Yeah, name a characteristic of Jack Ryan. Is i've forgotten his name i've literally forgot his name as jack ryan yeah no but no but characteristic of jack ryan is is it ex-military that's not a characteristic is he even ex-military i don't know present-day military i think he's i think he's like the president's assistant or something right it's like any of those guys like jack reacher and

whatever they're all kind of like but is he an angry angry man? Is he stoic? Is he a family man? Is he a lone wolf? We don't know. He's been in so many movies. And books. But there's no through line, you know? Everybody, if next time you're at your parents' house or if you live with your parents,

go to your dad's bookshelf and count how many Jack Ryan books there are on there. Yep. There's at least five. Green Lantern Corps. Corps, sorry. I was going to leave you some editing room. Which the story was this week that David...

What if it was Green Lantern Corps? Yeah. It's just various Green Lanterns floating through the depths of space. It's just an effects reel of how many Green Lanterns have died. That'd be fun. I'd watch that. Me too. David Goya might direct that.

That was a story this week. He co-wrote a lot of the Dark Knight stuff. Blade Trinity. But he's done a lot of bad stuff. Isn't he the guy that's just dodged a lot of bullets? Yeah, he has. For the stuff he's done, I don't know what the good or bad parts he's associated with for a lot of it. Blade Trinity

is not his fault because Wesley Snipes is insane. So I don't know how that movie was supposed to turn out. But anyway, Suicide Squad 2 and Dark Universe. So out of those seven options,

two of which aren't real, which do you want to pick? Do you want to pick one? Is Dark Universe the not real one? No, the two that you said are not real. Oh!

Well, that's a twist. Zoo Crew and what's the other one? Ambush Bug. Ambush Bug. What do you want to say? What's Dark Universe? The Justice League Dark one? Ambush Bug. Ambush Bug. Yeah. What do you want to say? What's Dark Universe?

The Justice League Dark one. Okay, right. Maybe that one. Okay. Yeah, I think you got to go with a weirder one.

Yeah. I wouldn't mind seeing Green Lantern Corpse. Maybe one set in space though. Yeah, that's what I mean.

Yeah, like clean everybody's palette a little bit and we can just be like, don't worry. And in the meantime they could clean up the Earth-based shenanigans. Yeah, sure. And clean house a little bit and we can just be like don't worry and in the meantime they could clean up the earth

based shenanigans yeah sure and clean house a little bit we do three movies in space and come back and then everything's fixed and there's a new batman there you go exactly yeah so much you missed so much oh well let's just press on shall we so you know fair enough and i think also with dark universe you could set that in dimensions and realms and whatever. Yeah, right. Not like space, but in a way, spaces between space. Yeah. I'm giving you the gun fingers.

You sure are. There were regular points and then you added the hammers on the back. I did. Okay, so also last bit of DC news. Aquaman has been pushed to December of 2018. That's just back a few months. I think this comes off the back of there's going to be no Star Wars movie that month. Yep.

And also, because of that, the Sony Venom movie is now taking the spot of October 5th, which was Aquaman's old spot. Good news all round, I guess. Yep, probably. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think of that do we know anything about the Sony Venom movie

the last bit of news was that it might not be connected to the Spider-Man Homecoming universe why would you not we don't know what version of Venom it is

that's true there was rumours of a director this week the guy who wrote I can't remember I can't remember who the director was but that wasn't true

whoever that was that's not true oh Whoever that was, that's not true. Oh, great. Yeah, and so that's pretty much it. We don't know whether they're going Flash Thompson or Eddie Brock or whatever. Yeah. Interesting. Isn't it?

More Newsmason? I kind of feel like this is going to have the most limited... This is going to have a very vague connection to anything Spider-man i reckon it might be like uh you know like the ultimate spider-man venom where it was like a cure for cancer and what kind of one or like it's a it's a it's been a built kind of thing yeah and maybe you'll have the teeth for the last act or something like that yeah and the rest is just

going to be a i reckon it's i reckon it's probably going to be kind of agent venom style yes it's just going to be more a battle suit than it is a right like spawn like spawn exactly yeah i think that when's that i think there was some news this week that i skimmed over todd mcfarlane said something like it was it's so extreme people are gonna love it am i still making money who knows i bet he is i bet a lot of pewter stat Spawn, yeah. Do you want to see a Spawn movie? If you ever break one, they'd have like chains coming off the side, like cast chains. If you break one, you have to send it back to be fixed and it's like $200.

That's it, yeah. Oh, man. What a world we live in. What a world. But do you want to hear about Worlds, Mason? Yes. Something that we've talked about, I think, for years and it's finally happening.

The Matrix is getting a reboot? Of sorts. That was the initial report. Yeah. I think people have said reboot just because it's the Matrix. Yes. Very good. That's the most appropriate thing to say.

Are you surprised by this in any sense? No. Yeah. It seems very soon. I mean... 2003 was the last one? Yeah, I know. Still, it just feels very soon.

That's because Keanu Reeves hasn't aged. It's because he hasn't aged because people keep talking about The Matrix. Yeah, that's probably true. Yeah. When was the first one? 99. So by the time then, let's say it gets into production as soon as possible. As soon as it'll be out is 2019, 2020.

So it'll be 20 years since the best one. Right. And the only one in a lot of people's eyes. There's some good Animatrix stuff though. Yep, agreed. Yeah. The thing is, for the Matrix, and they've talked now that the story is that it's not going to be a reboot.

You don't need to reboot it because the world is so vast and goes in so many different directions and so many characters and there's so many aspects of that universe which remain unexplored. Like how they casually mention that there's werewolves and vampires and then never do anything with that sure right and that's just a one example of the kind of though didn't you say one of those twins might be a werewolf or something the twins are ghosts right and the guys that he the guys that neo fights in that weird stairway situation yeah they're vampires and werewolf but they don't exhibit any of the powers but they're vampires and werewolves, but they don't exhibit any of the powers,

but they're meant to be vampires and werewolves because they're disagreeable. All right, fine. All right, whatever. But yeah, I'm not saying that wasn't their intention, but disagree.

I feel like a reboot would be a mistake. Absolutely. It would. And the thing is as well, you can set it in any point in time. You could set it 20 years after the last. That's what I'm hoping for. Like Neo's still in the,

in the in the source of the matrix and he comes out he doesn't even have to be in it at all really yeah but the story goes that they're they want to bring in michael b jordan and they're going to do a young morpheus movie which i don't think is probably the best direction to to take this ah i just think why why go back because you know where his story kind of leads. That's true, yeah. And it'll be about him getting out of the Matrix and whatever and then assimilating with Zion and all that.

But we saw that with Neo. Exactly. I mean, I know he's not the same as Neo because he's not the same level of power. But what story are you telling there? Exactly. And also, it'd be difficult to because we know what the matrix is yeah like you know that was the leading up to the matrix we didn't even even going into the cinema we didn't know what it was right really yeah and you know but

but now that's it but now it's a trope it's like yeah we're all we're all in a machine reality and blah blah blah exactly yeah so you can So we can't be surprised again. If they reboot it, then we can't be surprised because we know what the Matrix is. Right, exactly. And if it's a prequel, we know where, yeah, exactly what you said. We know where Morpheus' story goes. What can we do except give him a love interest that dies?

Right, yeah. Or, you know, we can't have- He meets Little Tank. He meets Little Tank, exactly. love interest that dies right or you know we can't meet little tank he meets little tank exactly we can't you can't you can't give him any supporting characters that aren't gonna live to the next movies and be surprised when they all die yeah that's that's exactly it you know it's gonna be a sequel in my humble opinion i i happen to agree with you, Mason, because that is also my opinion. Here's a question, though. Do you set it in the peak of society the year 1999? Yeah, okay.

Which since we're past that year, everyone knows the peak of society was 2003. But do you? It was a great year, wasn't it? Yeah. I don't really remember. Fever for the Flavor, was that that year? I don't know.

The band Hot Action Cop, maybe. Wow, that's a blast from the past. What happened there? Did you have a seizure? I did have a seizure, yeah. Come out with a weird band from the early 2000s. Amazing. But what was I going to say?

Yeah, I'd like to see it like they recreate 99. So the Matrix is always 1999. Oh, that'd be fun. Yeah, okay. Because why would they then go, oh no, the peak of society was 2017? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, okay. Because why would they then go, oh no, the peak of society was 2017? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I think you use the old technology, use the phone booths, the flip down phones,

which you used to have. You had that exact phone. I didn't have the exact one. You had the exact phone. You told everybody it was the exact phone, Mason. It was full of lies. You had it on a little gun holster, didn't you? I had a little gun holster, yeah.

Did you really? Probably. I don't think you did. All right. Yeah. You nerd. You big old nerd. Yeah, it was pretty good. Was. Did you really? Probably. I don't think you did. Alright. Yeah. You nerd. You big old nerd. Yeah, it was pretty good. Was it a good phone? Yeah. You could browse the web in the most limited way possible. You could get some emails. No, you could surely. You could get

emails. Really? Yeah. Wow. How much did that cost you? Too much. I'm still paying it off. And yet I could just smash this iPhone on this table, get a new one tomorrow for nothing. How's that work? But yeah, so yeah, what do you think though? Do you set it in 99? I think you have to. Yeah. Because otherwise the machines have built a realistic timeline

of the universe. Right, yeah. And they've assembled, like I think maybe the version of the Matrix is what they think all of, like, I don't know. Is that what they think all of society was at that point? Potentially. I don't know.

And the other thing is if you did set it in another year, would it be like, oh, they're just trying out a different year to see if the results are different for the participants of the matrix? Oh yeah. Okay. If you can tweet and vlog, does that make you happier than being in 99 where you can only listen to

blink 182 and hot action cop? You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. I just think it'd be cool to the, the kind of way that,

you know, they've been able to recreate the aesthetic of star Wars for, um, rogue one. Why not just try a similar, you know what? I think I what I think I

I think they're gonna have I think they'd have to put it in the modern day I know it maybe doesn't make any sense that they moved the timeline along in the fictional

in the fictional universe but also I would like I think it'd just look really dated right I think if you if you bring it back to 1999

and I don't know what other I don't know because it's also not really 99 like the cars are different yes they're kind of yeah they're kind of weird 94s car yeah anyway whatever also i think i mentioned this before i would like to see them they have to if you want to escape to the matrix you have to do a funny snapchat you know what i mean you have to put a dog filter on and draw some funny lines and a little caption be like and put up the little banner. It's like escaping from the Matrix, lol. And then you send it out and a certain number of people

have to read it and then you escape from the Matrix. I think that would be good. And a truck's coming at you and you're like, oh, God. So in a way, it's easier than finding a phone booth, but you're also relying on people enjoying your output. Yeah, it's exponentially more difficult also, yes. That's amazing. What else we got?

Mindhorn. Yeah, we talked about that. I got that in here. Last bit of news. If you get unverified on Twitter, you can't escape from being trapped in there forever. Future Star Wars movies won't focus on legacy characters. Gary Witter says, who co-wrote Rogue One, I believe,

and probably other things. Oh, yeah. So we're not going to be getting, like, I guess, the Darth Vader movie, Anakin Skywalker prequel. Well, we had those. Yeah, we sure did. You know what I mean? Yeah, I get it.

What do you think of that? So he's cutting it off after Han Solo. I guess. Huh. I mean, I think we'll get an Obi-Wan movie. I still think that'll happen. Witter just said we won't. Fuck Witter. Huh. I mean, I think we'll get an Obi-Wan movie. I still think that'll happen. Witter just said we won't. Fuck Witter!

Whoa! I'll say to his face, is Obi-Wan a legacy character? I guess he is, isn't he? Yeah, he is. I mean, if you took it only the original trilogy, not so much, but yeah. I don't know. I don't necessarily believe that, but I do. Yeah.

I feel like we're going to get another, if this Han Solo one does well. Exactly. We're going to get another one. Yeah, I was just thinking that, that he's saying this now. But that I think is maybe just to stop rampant speculation and endless tweets to people of like, hey, you're going to do that? So they're putting their foot down until they see how much this Han Solo movie makes and then it's, hey, it's back on, guys.

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I'm sure you have some thoughts. I've got thoughts, too. I just want to point out, last week we were sponsored. This week is not sponsored by Iron Fist. So we can say whatever we want. Say whatever we want. But I mean, last week they asked us to do a primer on Iron Fist. We recorded that before.

We edited that in. Yes, we did. That's why the episode was long, because we did a 40-minute bit prior to it. Anyway, it's not important. It's not important. It's how the sausage is made, people. That's right. Because they needed to hear it in case we said, I don't know.

Iron Fist is racist. I think everybody should be fired. But our competition, though, is still going. Still going. So the hashtag is Iron Fist with four I's. Not together. Not together, as in one at the start, three at the second I. Three in fist.

If you search that on Twitter, people have done a whole lot of different things. You can take a photo, make a joke, a tweet. People have been lighting their hands on fire. Look, we've been, we've been, we want to find the official Iron Fist on the podcast for reals. And we've had some, we've had some great ones. Benjamin Philby, he drew a two-page comic book.

Oh, that was amazing. Of the Finn Jones Iron Fist, like a comic book of him battling ninjas while also being haunted by that time iron fist meant that weird doctor who knockoff right the comic books in the 70s yeah it's pretty great that's that's a solid one uh what else do we have here uh randy nerd underscore harmony on on twitter uh set his hand on fire while dressed as i can always point out because i'm also doing a thing on uh also please don't set yourselves on fire that's what i was gonna to say. I'm doing the same competition as well on my YouTube channel. Same hashtag and everything.

So I'm giving one away there. Because we're giving away season one of Daredevil on Blu-ray and one here. If you've lit your hands on fire already... We can't stop it. Good job. We can't unring that bell. Nobody's been hurt. But that being said, I think we should make it from now on,

if you light your hands on fire, you cannot win. Do you think that's reasonable? You're not disqualified. I'm saying if you've already done it, kudos. But inevitably, somebody is going to hurt themselves. That's what I'm saying. And we're not guaranteeing you win if you do that. No, certainly not.

Let's see. What else do we have here? Enter the question on Twitter has made a little Calvin and Iron Fist comic book. Oh, that was good I like that which is pretty great those are all my Twitter at wikipedia brand

if you want to check I've retweeted I should retweet some more I'll do that yeah yeah yeah check it out pretty good so yeah

so we'll announce that next week Nick S has done a little little like a little I like that one computer computer generated I'm being punched there you're being punched

by Iron Fist it looks great it does look great I like that one a lot so yeah but it doesn't it can be a little thing it can be a

you don't have to like craft some amazing piece of art maybe it would help Mason who knows are you picking the winner for this and I'll pick the one

on the YouTube channel I guess yeah let's do that anyway so we what we're saying is back

last week they asked us to do that they sponsored us to do that. They sponsored us to do that. But this week, there's no sponsorship. We can say what we think. The thing is, though, we hadn't- I only started watching it when everybody else did. They didn't send-

The one thing we got- It didn't actually come through Netflix. It came through an Australian marketing company who found us. And the one thing that they sent us- They didn't send us episodes of the show to review they sent us a two gig file and we're like what's in this file is it going to be is it going to be concept art is it going to be audio is going to be interviews what's it going to be i had to download a special program to open it and it was a picture it was one picture it was a bus picture. It was a bus ad. Yeah. If you've been in a bus shelter recently and you've seen the Iron Fist,

it's bloody, it's Finn Jones, and it's a big poster, it's that. Yeah. Those are two gig, those files, apparently. Yeah, that's it. And it wasn't even super high res either. No. You assumed it was very pixel-y.

It was just a series of fonts. Yeah, so that was- They gave us all the fonts. That was our primer for Iron Fist. But we've seen it now, or you've seen- I've seen nine episodes. You assumed it was very pixel-y. Just a series of fonts. Yeah, so that was our primer for Iron Fist. But we've seen it now, or you've seen... I've seen nine episodes. I've seen nine of it. So we won't go into spoiler territory too much, do you want to say?

Because I'd say most people by the time this comes out won't have seen all of them. Correct, yeah. Only madmen who make Easter egg videos. Linked below, Mason. Oh, I get it. There's a whole lot going on in there. I get it. But yeah, do you think it is the train

wreck that critics were saying before this came out who got the first six no look i think it improves yeah significant i think look i think the first maybe four or five episodes are a mess yeah i agree with that a lot of these netflix series as they save those for like the back end. These kind of get them out of the way up top. Which if you've never seen a Marvel series, like these are for the fans. This feels especially like this is, if you've seen the previous three, you're going to have to watch this

and we're going to make you slog through some stuff. Because there's no it should as i they're weirdly paced it's like it's a 13 hour movie yeah where there's some there's some dead space up at the front there's some set up at the front and i would say there's also some dead space at the end great yeah but uh that in between stuff there's some it's okay some of it's pretty good right yeah i don't think it's any i don't think it's, I didn't love Luke Cage, but I think they're on par in a lot of ways for different reasons. Luke Cage, I think handled like social issues better.

I think Luke Cage was better cast. Yeah. This one has decided to not mention any, like I feel that they had two options here and we'll get into it in a second, but this one, these guys have decided we're just not going to bring up any of the issues that people have raised around this. We're just not going to say anything. Right.

Yeah, yeah. And I think also, I wasn't going to say, oh, they do kind of deal with the issues of like, if you're a billionaire, you've got a responsibility. Yeah.

There's a little bit of that. But other than that, not so much. But I think the story though here is stronger than Luke Cage. Oh no. Because Luke Cage did a lot of meandering in terms of like crime bosses would be like what are we gonna do about this bulletproof fella and then he'd

like walk into a club and be like stop selling drugs and that would happen like six or seven times yeah do you know what I mean but but still yeah yeah look okay what did you think the story was oh no you mentioned the story and you had a minute and then you distracted me with that other thing you said. Okay, so hang on. It's New York City and Danny Rand's been gone for 15 years and now he's back and he's got Kung Fu Pals. Yes.

Pretty good. Boy, does he. Yeah. In a big way. Do you... Okay, casting controversy. Yes. A lot of the criticisms, you've read any of the earlier reviews

and one of the first things is always, why is Danny Rand not an Asian man? Yeah, Asian American, maybe Chinese or Korean or something like that. Yeah, why is he a blonde, blue-eyed fellow teaching Kung Fu to kids or whatever he's doing? So the technical reason in the 70s apparently was because Marvel already had an Asian AmericanAmerican Kung Fu guy, Shang-Chi, the master of Kung Fu.

And so they were like, okay, well, let's... Because kids have limited spending money and they have to convince their parents they're not just buying the same thing over and over again. Yeah. They have to make a character that looks significantly different from the other guy. So they can be like, no, no, it's two, there's two guys

two guys, yeah, so they were like, okay, well what's the opposite, we'll have a blonde haired white guy, that kind of thing the opposite of an Asian person is a white person precisely, yeah, if you turn a mirror upside down, that's what you get, so that was apparently the rationale at the time, they're just like we'll make them different so kids will spend twice the amount

of money, perfect, which was much more noble. You know what I mean? Do you think, though, that they should have cast him as Asian or do you think it's really not a big deal? I don't think we're qualified to answer that. Sure. Fair enough. Yeah, but I don't think, honestly, I don't think it's that much of a big deal.

I don't think it's particularly well cast in general, but I don't think that is the biggest problem with this show. No. If I'm honest. Yeah. There was two ways they could have gone about this and one of one of them was maybe bring it up in the show right yeah but there'd be it but i guess you'd have to write a very fine line between being serious about it and making light of it yeah and i reckon if they'd spoken about it it would have had to be gone too far in the way of like

being making fun of it going who cares this isn't important and i think people would have had to gone too far in the way of like mate being making fun of it going who cares this isn't important and i think people would have perceived it as you think it isn't important so yeah i think they've gone the route of just don't say anything like i think they could have done you know some some running gags and there's there's a point in it where he beats up a whole bunch of gang members and they go back to their boss and he follows them to the to the secret hideout and the guy's like this guy beat you yeah there's no moment where he's like this white guy right like seriously this white guy yeah so there was a saying there was like an opportunity there were opportunities to address it but they but they chose to just ignore and there's there are opportunities where

that's true there is some interesting storytelling to be done there yeah wait and and so can we if we can talk about Finn Jones, like I think he's quite, he's very likable in this role. Yeah. Except when he is getting zen. Right. Getting zen and righteous.

Yeah. And I don't know, some other stuff. But I don't know whether, because I don't. He's like, focus your chi. There's no moment where she's like...

People seem to just roll with this... People seem to roll with his madness. Right, yeah. He's like, no, you need to focus your chi. And nobody goes... Specifically? Do you mean, is that a metaphor? Because we don't...

And he should be like, no, no, really. We don't have the magical glowing hands, so we don't know what that is. But he also goes in there and he be like, no, no, really. We don't have the magical glowing hands, so we don't know what that is. But he also goes in there and he's like, you, you know, he'll go to the... The kung fu or the karate place. Yeah, he'll go to the karate academy and he'll be like,

you're punches and kicks a week. You're like punching through a lace curtain or whatever. Yeah, you guys don't take karate seriously or whatever, yeah. It seemed a bit preachy. I don't know whether he was written that way because he's... I think of all the Defenders, he's probably the worst cast. And that's not because he's white.

That's just because... Maybe not the worst cast, but maybe just a weird portrayal because he's not incredibly likable. He's kind of an idiot. Like the first three episodes of him going, no, I am Danny Rand, believe me. Say specific things that prove that you're Danny Rand. Don't just say, oh no, I've been gone, but now I'm back.

What can you tell them about yourself, you dummy? Yeah, so he shows up. He's been in Kunlun. Side note, I've apparently been mispronouncing a lot of these things. Kunlun? Yeah, I've been saying Kunlun, but it's apparently Kunlun. Anyway, so he shows up in New York after 15 years, and his naivete, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly,

is charming for like two minutes. And then I'm like... Then it's four episodes. Then it's... So, yeah, so with Luke Cage, and we mentioned it earlier, there's some space filling. Yeah. There were a number of scenes in Luke Cage where Luke Cage goes into a bar or a nightclub and all the bad guys are there

and he's got bulletproof skin and super strength and he could have just beaten them all up, knocked them all out, gathered some evidence that's in the nightclub, called the police and it would have all been done. And he doesn't do it, not because he couldn't do it, but because they needed more episodes.

Right. They needed to fill more time. And so for whatever reason, instead of writing that so he couldn't have done it, he just goes, well, I'll see you later, and then he leaves. And that felt quite apparent in this, especially in the first few episodes, where what he could have done very easily

is just shown that he can do the iron fist and everybody would have believed him. But for whatever reason, like they had to keep contriving reasons why he couldn't. It felt to me like, do you remember that singing frog? Yes. Where the man finds a frog that can sing and he thinks it's going to make him

rich and famous, but he only sings in front of him. So everybody thinks he's lying or crazy. So in this, he's like, Danny Rand's like, yeah, I can do the Iron Fist and I can punch through anything. And somebody's like, oh, can you show me? And he's like, no, I've been drugged, so I can't. Oh, cool.

What about now? No, I'm tired and I can't focus my chi. What about now? No, I did it earlier. I did it heaps just earlier and I can't do it now. Like they kept just just do it and it'd just do it yeah exactly that's exactly it i feel like there's like and he finally does it he tells very specific stories which is what you would do to prove to somebody that that you

know them also there's things that he's forgotten like a guy's like check this out check out the internet you could look up anything on the internet he left in 2002 yeah he probably knows what the fucking internet is do you know what i mean it's it's baffling to me that being said yes episode five but i don't even remember the exact point but it gets a lot better right okay and i don't even know if you can skip the first four to get there uh you probably could yeah maybe look let me think he gets out of hospital and then of hospital and then he does some kung fu. That's right. Hey, let me think. People don't believe him.

People don't believe him. This, I feel, is the meanest New York we've seen in Netflix's Marvel. Like, it's not the most crime-ridden. That's Hell's Kitchen. Yeah. But this is everybody's mean. Like, there's a hot dog vendor sees a man covered in stab wounds and blood,

vomiting up black bile. And he's like, get out of my face. You're an idiot. Get out of here. Like if you walk into traffic, somebody will just try and run you over. And you've got to awkwardly flip over the top of them. Nobody believes you.

Everybody's ready to mace you in the face. That's true. Well, she had a reason for doing that. But, I mean, if Danny Rand had showed up in Luke Cage's Harlem, they would have given him a hot meal and a place to stay and a haircut. Well, Harlem, isn't it a nicer place these days? Seems nice. That's what they say.

Yeah, but look, yeah, very kind of inconsistent. But I also, I don't know whether it's, I think it might also be written that way where you're not supposed to really like him that much. Because there is a kind of charming naivety to him or naivete i don't know as you would say but i'm not sure you're supposed to kind of side with him the entire time the same way with daredevil like i don't always think that the things that he does is the right thing that he should do yeah but that's the kind of the character and he makes mistakes yeah and same with jessica jones and luke cage so i think maybe that's also what they were trying to go for yeah that he's he is naive and he doesn't know what he's doing that's the kind of the character and he makes mistakes and same with jessica jones and luke cage so i think maybe that's also what they were trying to go for yeah that he's he is naive and

he doesn't know what he's doing that's the thing like the idea being that he's naive because he's returned to new york and it's changed but also he's been in a world where they just shave his head and beat him with sticks like he's not but he's coming to us like like i'm gonna come back to new york and everybody's nice in new york and everybody's great and then he's coming to the worst like, I'm going to come back to New York and everybody's nice in New York and everybody's great and then he's sort of beaten down by New York. But he's been trained to be this ultimate warrior and surely they teach you strategy and subterfuge. Nah, chi. It's all chi.

Just chi? Because he shows up in this world and they're like, where have you been? And he's like, I've been in a mystical, magical city where I've learned kung fu from magic monks. Are you taking me to a mental institution why just say you've been in Tibet yeah so you hit your head in Tibet and you were not feeling well and they nursed you back to health and you learned some kung fu in Tibet

that's that padding though isn't it yeah you gotta you gotta stretch it out he and he doesn't he shows up and he's like like the the first scene when he goes to Rand Enterprises where we see in the trailer, where he shows up and he's like, hey, I'm here to get my company back. Because, you know, maybe as a kid he didn't learn that you can't just get your company back. So that's fine. And then they chuck him out and then he's like,

well, I guess I'll just sneak up on my childhood friends. I'll just break into their houses or whatever. And then he's like hey you've still got a cute dog and she's like what are you doing in my house like you're not

how did he think this was going to work that being said I did really like the opening sequence and I feel that Kung Fu was a bit hit or miss but I did like

the opening sequence where he shows up and the guards show up to escort him out and he just knocks him back like nothing yeah he kind of

swats him away I didn't mind that either it is very you're right though it is very hit and miss because I felt going into this that he should be

the best kung fu guy in the world like noticeably better than Daredevil yeah but he doesn't seem like he is he doesn't seem that much better than Daredevil

I feel like aside from the iron fist Daredevil could potentially beat this guy up yeah Luke Cage could potentially beat him up yeah well Jessica Jones Yeah. Luke Cage could potentially beat him up. Yeah.

Because he's- Well, Jessica Jones certainly could. Yeah. She's got- They could all beat him up. Everybody on this team could beat him up. I mean, but also his levels of ability kind of fluctuate depending on his chi and whatnot. Depending on his chi.

Anyway, we'll talk- His chi- The Iron Fist is his girlfriend that lives in Canada. Just do the- I could- Just- I could girlfriend that lives in Canada. Just do the... She's in Canada. Oh, yeah, show us a photo. She doesn't like getting photographed. Shut up.

What about the other casting? What about Colleen Wing? I think she's great. Yeah, she's good. I think the casting will... See, that's the thing. I don't know whether she's... I don't think she's necessarily better than Rosario Dawson

or any of the other kind of supporting characters. Speaking of which, give her her own show. Yes, right, yeah. Give Claire Temple her own- Is it getting a bit contrived that she's running into these people? This one definitely was. Yeah. Because she's like, oh, it's my destiny to run into these people, I guess.

It's weird that none of them have met each other yet. Oh, no, that's not true. Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. But it's weird that nobody's ran into Daredevil. Do you know what I mean? Because he's around quite a bit. It's getting to that point where it's a good thing these people are all coming together

because they're all doing... They're moving in very similar circles. They're all fighting their heads. They all know the same people. Again, I haven't finished this season yet. Yeah. But there's no... I felt this would be an excellent time

to have Daredevil pop in for a cameo, but there isn't anything like that. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. There's not much of many cameos all around. There's no F foggy nelson i thought maybe you'd be like well they're not letting me in here so i'll get a pro bono lawyer that's foggy nelson doing some incredible acting he's back he's doing some intense acting what about the meachums harold joy ward there aren't they're pretty good uh you know what david lennon i think ward and joy have a good chemistry yeah

they do feel like siblings initially that's in the writing or if that's in the... Initially, I was like, why is David Wynn in the same age as his son? But they explained that away. Yeah. I guess we can't really spoil that, can we? Look, we'll spoil a little bit towards the end. Look, if you haven't seen it,

maybe don't listen to this at all if you don't want to know. But no, I think the casting was mostly fine, but I think Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Daredevil have better casting in general, I would probably say. Maybe it's just the lead that's kind of lacking in this. And I don't know. I don't think it's necessarily him.

I think a lot of it is he's just not that intriguing. He's written all over the place, I feel. Yeah, inconsistent. He's inconsistent. He's spouting. but that's the thing like he's also i would i would have liked for him to be like you know all the way of the crane is the blah blah blah and then in the wind the reed and the winds or whatever and somebody and somebody would be like do you know what that means or are you just saying it right like legitimately in the thing because like he seems like because he's a guy who seems to be filled with confusion and rage and and but he's also teaching but he's also

teaching and also like and but he's also filled with good vibes but he's also and i would i would would have appreciated maybe a scene where people are like you just you've just learned these phrases yeah from you but but do you actually know what they mean? They literally beat them into you. Yeah, so maybe you should look into yourself and see if they work for you and, you know, kind of thing. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, good point.

There's also, and I don't think you would have liked this element of it, there's very little mysticism outside of he can have one hand that glows and they allude to a dragon and a mystical city that you never really see. What are you doing? First of all, that fist should make a noise of some kind, I feel. Like a vroom. Yes, like a lawnmower starting up. Secondly, yeah, he's...

What about a... As it's starting up. Yeah, that'd be really good, yeah. That'd be so good. Just a guy clearing his nose. But yeah, it's interesting that he has a series of flashbacks to his previous life. Bad flashback effect, by the way. Yeah, look, it's weird that for anybody who didn't listen to the Luke Cage Primer,

the Iron Fist Primer last week, if you don't know much about Iron Fist. Iron Fist has his Iron Fist powers because he plunged his hands into the molten heart of Shao Lao the Undying, who is literally a dragon. Or is it? And yet,

there's no flashback to that. If that happened to me, it's all you would think about. That's all I would flashback to. In fact, that's the only memory I would have. Somebody would come up to me, that's all I would flashback to. In fact, that's the only memory I would have. Somebody would come up to me and be like, oh, hey, man, you didn't come to my birthday drinks. And I'd be like, yeah, I forgot.

Because that time I punched a dragon's heart. And they'd be like, oh, that's fair. You know what I mean? Yeah, it makes total sense. But he's having flashbacks to the time he was on a mountain and he saw a hawk. That's exactly right and i understand there's budgetary limitations yeah but again you can write around that i think i think it would

have been funny to maybe like a running gag because they weren't that many there wasn't it was this wasn't super funny but i think it'd be it'd be nice to have a running gag where he keeps it's he's just about to have a flashback to the time he fought a dragon and we see that light effect. Yeah. And then like some mean New York is like, Hey, Hey,

idiot. Like he gets back into it. He's at a bus stop and he gets splashed. Hey, step out of it, idiot. And he's, and so we never see it.

I think that, but we never, there's no reason why we couldn't see it. And we don't, I mean, budgetary obviously. Yeah. But I think that was one of the strengths of Dr.

Strange was that we did see all that kind of stuff. And I was a little bit disappointed that we got, again, it's New York, it's corridors, it's alleyways. There's nothing here that we saw that we haven't seen in previous TV shows. Or films. Or films. And that's also a thing that I think people probably

had a problem with this series as well, because it's not head and shoulders above the other Netflix series. It's about the same as the okay ones. Yes. Yeah. The kung fu in this should have been crazy. Well, do you know why it's not? Why is it not?

Because Finn Jones saying, that guy's getting really kicked. Yeah, right. Yeah. Poor bloke. But that, what was it? A lot of those he learned like 15 minutes before. Right. Well, then he's done a very good job.

Yeah, well, absolutely. Yeah. So I don't even think he's really got the build for it. Like he's quite thin for a guy who's supposed to be that strong. That's true. You want him to be Bruce Lee. Well, look at like Daredevil. Daredevil's like crazy ripped.

But I guess also because he's got chi, that's also his strength as well. Yeah, he doesn't need muscles because he's got chi. Yeah. I'm not saying he's like,, that's also his strength as well. Yeah, he doesn't need muscles because he's got chi. Yeah. I'm not saying he's like, he's not like weirdly anorexic, but I'm just saying, shouldn't he be at least as big as Daredevil? Maybe he's lithe. He's quite lithe, isn't he? He's lithe, but he should be sinewy.

But there is, there's like, it's wildly inconsistent. And I think that part of it might be, it's harder to hide a stuntman because he doesn't wear a mask. Sometimes he flips, sometimes they flip a hood. Flip up the hood or whatever, or he'll't wear a mask. Sometimes they flip a hood. Flip up the hood or whatever, or he'll put on a mask in the street for no reason. How did he think they wouldn't recognize him? You're barefoot.

And you smell. And you smell, yeah. That's actually pointed out, isn't it? That he smells. But I think with Daredevil, you can throw even the black mask on a stuntman and do a hunt. That's true, yeah. But you cannot really show him front on because...

Let's talk about the kung fu. Do you have talk about the kung fu written there? I've got talk... Yeah, I've got fight sequences question mark. Oh, yeah, great. Okay. I think there are some really good stuff. I think episode six, there's, like, a tournament that he goes through.

I love that episode. There's a... I think the hallway hatchet scene is pretty good. Yeah, agreed. I mean, it's not my favourite sort of narrow fight... There's a, I think the hallway hatchet scene is pretty good. Yeah, agreed. I mean, it's not my favourite sort of narrow fights, like my favourite narrow field. Would that be the Punisher one maybe? No, that's, well, in...

Is it the Luke Cage walks down a corridor with a door? No, I mean just overall. My favourite is in the raid too where that woman kills a whole bunch of Yakuza guys in a subway car using a pair of hammers. I have not seen that. It's pretty good. You ever seen a man get killed by a hammer? I haven't, no.

Yeah, it's pretty good. But given that this isn't supposed to be viscerally disgusting, pretty good, I think. Yeah, I completely agree. And yeah, the tournament bit, I thought that was good, though. You know, there's the scene where he fights the twins, who are one. I thought that was pretty good. At the same time, I feel kind of like the whole season should have been this.

Like a series of challenges. No, but not even, but like he should have no problem fighting two guys at once all the time. No, yeah, you're right. Like five guys at once, ten guys at once. Yeah. It shouldn't be a problem. Yeah. And that's, that's, why did they only give him 15 minutes for choreography?

That seems crazy. But then also he fights the Bride of Nine Spiders. Yes. That's pretty good. That's, that's, why did they only give him 15 minutes for choreography? That seems crazy. But then also he fights the Bride of Nine Spiders. Yes. That's pretty good. That's interesting. But then the third fight, just some guy. Guy with a big, big old sword. Yeah.

With a sword. Exactly. Maybe you end with the Bride of Nine Spiders. And then, but a bit further on we get, he, he fights. The Drunken Master. Yeah. That's a great fight. The Drunken Kung Fu.

Yeah. And that's a great fight. And it's at that point where I went, oh, all these fights should be like this. Yeah. fights should be like this yeah because everyone's got a different style he's got he's doing butt bumps and he's tumbling and he's drinking all the while and he's using his his booze bottle to fight as well i'm like that's what this should be it should be like a street fighter tournament everybody's weird and got a different thing he's got a weird everybody one guy's stretchy yeah one guy's a green monster who's in his 50s now did you know that one guy's ral julia one guy's stretchy. Yeah. One guy's a green monster who's in his 50s now. Did you know that?

One guy's Raul Julia. One guy's Raul Julia. But it was just everybody's sort of good at the same kind of Kung Fu. Yeah. And I'm sure if I knew more about Kung Fu, I could be like, oh, that guy's got a slightly different style and that guy's got a slightly different style, but I'm a layman. I want him to be crazy Kung Fu.

I completely agree. But I don't think, you know, I think a lotman. I want them to be crazy, crazy Kung Fu. I completely agree. But I don't think, you know, I think a lot of it is okay. Like some, you know, all of it's really good to kind of whatever. Yeah.

Yeah, man. What a bloody, what a bloody ride. You know what I did enjoy? What's that? This is sort, maybe we should do a little bit of spoilers.

Okay, let's do it. Okay. Spoilers. Should we evaluate this? Is it the worst series ever or the best? No, I think consistent with the back end of daredevil season two yep most of luke cage and this they're they're all kind of the same i agree for me yeah yeah i mean we are being paid by marvel sort of indirectly sure so don't take our word for it but i think if you can kind of

skip the first four skim them, maybe do so. Watch it in the background. Yeah. Well, you know what? That's, I think, a really good way to watch the start of this show. That's what I did. Yeah. Just be doing something else.

Yeah. Yeah. Look, I'm going to see this out. Yeah. I'm not going to be like, nah, give it a miss. I think also from Luke Cage kind of it wraps up and then it wraps up again. This does a very similar kind of thing. So, yeah. It's not really a spoiler.'s just just is what it is cool okay spoilers so um but I really like the archive footage of the previous iron fist I haven't seen

that yet never mind that okay anyway we can we have a gun no he's got two iron fists what and it's from like World War II or something. Nice. Okay, that's fun. It's great. So that's Orson Randall. That's the previous Iron Fist. It's not specifically stated, but it must be, presumably. But also I think, wouldn't that be interesting, maybe instead of doing the Danny Rand story,

to avoid the controversy, but also to not upset people if you recast him as a different race. Yep. Maybe they could have done a previous Iron Fist. Because all the previous Iron Fists, I believe, are mostly Asian. Is that right? Is he the first white one? I might be wrong about that.

What's Orson Randall? I can't remember. He's white. Okay. And then... Okay, bad example. I don't think we've seen any previous ones. Right.

No, I mean, in the comics, right? There's been hundreds of them, is what I'm saying. Yeah, I think so, yeah. I would imagine they're mostly all Asian. I think maybe in the comics, right? There's been hundreds of them, is what I'm saying. Yeah, I think so, yeah. I would imagine they're mostly all Asian. I think maybe in this... Do they say it in this series that he's the first white Iron Fist? I don't know. Anyway, whatever.

But I think maybe they could have done like a prequel. It's set in a different time. It's still tied into the Defenders and all that. But you're doing something different, you know what I mean? Yeah, totally. You're not doing hallway fights in New York and whatever. Just a thought. What else, Mason?

Any spoiler? Is that the only spoiler thing? Let me think. I don't want to go too far ahead. You're not doing hallway fights in New York and whatever. Just a thought. What else, Mason? Any spoiler? Is that the only spoiler? Let me think. I don't want to go too far ahead. Madam Gow returns. Madam Gow does return. She's good, man.

Dead of a Season 2. David Wenner. I don't know. I think she kind of... I kind of feel like she's saying stock lines. Yeah. I think maybe that's... I feel that's that's i feel that's a dialogue issue with this and i think as soon as claire temple shows up who speaks like a

normal person i think and speaks i feel consistently with the rest of the series of of netflix marvel shows yeah i'm like oh everybody's kind of just speaking in cliches in this right yeah there is a kind of there's a bit of kind of like i bet he's gonna say this and then they say the particular thing do you think madame gow's gonna be the villain in the defenders one of but also she kind of alludes to this might be later there's a bigger villain okay right right but um also like all this kind of story threads we've gotten from her there's no real new information about her in this series that we haven't known that's true we just know her drug empire is also international. That's true, yeah.

Like, that was kind of assumed. You know what I mean? I get you. Yeah. I don't know, man. I think because she did say she spent some time in Cunlun. Yes. And she's very old.

So it is possible she is Crane Mother, who is... And that speculation was, like, season one as well. Yeah. crane mother who is, who is, uh, and that speculation was like season one as well. So that's, so she, who was the, the, the rule of one of the other seven cities of heaven. So exactly.

How she spent a lot of time in Kunlun, who knows? It's magic. You can visit. You can visit with magic. You can go and have a, there's a, there's a shuttle.

I actually have one more thing. I can't really say it cause you haven't seen the last episode. So I don't want to spoil it for you. Can you allude to it? Uh, we see a little bit of Kunlun at the end. I think it's Kunlun. I'm going to call it that. I don't really say it because you haven't seen the last episode, so I don't want to spoil it for you. Can you allude to it? We see a little bit of Kunlun at the end. I think it's Kunlun. I'm going to call it that.

I don't care. Towards the end, not really, sort of, but there's like a thing happens. And it's like, is that really a twist? Because you kind of know the specific thing about the city. So why is anyone surprised about this? I don't know. I don't want to get into it. We'll get into it at a different time.

Let's get into it at a different time. Anyway, Defenders, it'll be'll get into it at a different time. Let's get into it at a different time. Anyway, I'm Defenders. It'll be nice to see all these characters come together. It's also eight episodes. Yeah, finally. What a blessing. Yeah. You know what?

In the previous, when we've talked about these previous seasons, you've always demanded shorter seasons. I demand it. And I think in Luke Cage, I'm like, you know, I definitely, I enjoyed the time, but I definitely felt it. And I do feel it in this one as well. This should be shorter. Stop filling time with your weird, just have him,

just get his dental records or something. I don't know. Yeah. Just, yeah. I don't know. Just any of those things. Yeah. Get a weird pot that he made.

Get his thumbprint off it. What he should have done, just taken the night off. Yep. And just had a think. Yeah. A bit of those things. Yeah. Get a weird pot that he made. Get his thumbprint off it. What he should have done, just taken the night off. Yep. And just had a think, a bit of a think about what he would do. Don't break into anyone's houses. Don't run at anybody in the street. Talk to a lawyer. Come on. And he eventually does all of those things.

He just gets around to it. Got some tweets here from people. I like Big Al. I'm sad he wasn't in more. Which one's Big Al? Big Al was the homeless guy in the park. Oh, right. Yeah, gets around to it. Got some tweets here from people. I like Big Al. I'm sad he wasn't in more. Which one's Big Al? Big Al was the homeless guy in the park. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah.

Fair enough. Who explained the internet and iPhones. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was some great exposition. This is from Jack Kemper. Got some tweets here. I'm ready. Really enjoying Iron Fist thus far, by no means perfect, but has a strange charisma to it.

I'd agree with that. It does have a strange charisma. Like, I enjoyed kind of the story. Yep. Uh-huh. But, yeah. Brandon says, Iron Fist is about as good as Arrow slash The Flash. I think people expected more due to the Marvel Netflix brand.

Yeah. I can see that. Dave says, I'll happily watch the series where Danny Rand just does nice things for people. He's pretty nice. Yeah. If he wasn't always spouting off about stuff he maybe doesn't understand.

Jen says, funnily enough for a Kung Fu series, it's both ham-fisted and clumsy. Best show ever. And Ezra says, only two episodes

of Iron Fist and it feels like it was written by Tommy Wiseau. Not a fan. Boo. Boo. You chatter like monkeys. Your kicks and punches

are like lace curtains that's the thing that he says yeah what a prick yeah back where i'm from they put a boy on his knees and hit him with sticks for four hours that's right that's right there's a there's a there's a point in it where he's talking to colleen wing yeah oh again i think she's great in this i think great actor good kung fu she's good I wouldn't be surprised if she knew some martial arts or she did some gymnast stuff. Why wouldn't you be surprised about that, James? Because she's Asian.

Oh, cool. No, because of her fluidity with her movements, Mason. That's true. Oh, yeah, there's one point where they're talking about something and Danny Rand's like, yeah, we've both suffered. Have you? No, he has. He hasn't, though. He's been hit with sticks for 15 years. All yeah, we've both suffered. Have you? No, he has. He hasn't, though.

He's been hit with sticks for 15 years. That's pretty bad. But I mean, he was a billionaire's kid for the first 10 years. Yeah, I know. Sure, his parents died, but everybody's parents die. That's not unique. Yeah, but 10 years harder than later. Yeah.

Look, I understand where you're coming from. He could have left Cumberland at any time. No, he couldn't. He was trapped there. No, but he could have just hung out. He could have left Cunlun at any time. No, he couldn't. He was trapped there. No, but he could have just hung out. He didn't have to want to be the Iron Fist. There were like a million other people who also wanted to be the Iron Fist. Yeah.

Sure. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not saying the first 10 years of his life wasn't great. I mean, that guy used to kick him in the balls. Yep. That's true. But like 10 to 15 was pretty rough. Yeah.

Like you can't argue with that. Yeah, you're probably right. Yeah. They're the same, Mason. Don't you get it? They've got the same spirit. Do you get it? I get it.

Good. What are we reading? It was nice to see Carrie-Anne Moss as well. Yeah, she's good. I think Claire Temple and Hogarth should team up. Rosario Dawson's character, she's cool in a crisis. She's got skills. She can fight. She's got skills. She knows what she's cool in a crisis, she's got skills, she can fight.

She's got skills. She knows what she's doing at all times. She's got tiger claws? Did you see that episode? She had bloody tiger claws, mate. Just give her a show. What are you framing around, though? I don't know. Just like people bring out different superheroes and be like,

ugh. Yeah, she's gotta mentor a different dumb superhero every time. She's gotta's got a, she's got a mentor, a different dumb superhero. Every time she's got a, she's got a, every, every week she just hears this. She wakes up and she just hears this wet thump outside of a door and she opens the door and there's like this bloody superhero on a doorstep,

like in a mask, in a makeshift costume, makeshift costume bleeding. She's got, they've got ninja stars sticking out and she's like, and she's got to pull all the ninja stars out put them back together

deal with their weird idiosyncrasies feed them they go to work yeah they go to work and then she shows back up and they've been stabbed again

and they've got some sort of weird issue they've wrecked her apartment they've had a karate fight yeah exactly and they've got some sort of daddy issue or there's some sort of

crippling social phobia or something. She's got to fix it. And then they're like, okay, see ya. And then next day, all over again. That's exactly it. Right. You know what? Doctor Strange is a lesson in avoiding race casting controversy.

Because really, why wouldn't people like Benedict Cumberbatch should be an Asian man because he went to the Orient and- No, but also, but Tilda Swinton. Yeah, that's what I'm saying went to the Orient. No, but also Tilda Swinton. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I feel like they deflected onto the Tilda Swinton character. Oh, I see. Do you know what I mean? I get it.

I think that was more kind of deftly handled. Are you saying that... They needed to change the race of somebody else to deflect. Oh, interesting. Okay. Maybe. Do you see what I mean? I mean, it's not the same story, but there's a lot of very similar elements.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah, you're right. And yet Doctor Strange kind of avoided a lot of that. Maybe it's also because they had a fairly kind of multicultural cast. Probably true. I don't know. Anyway, Mason, it's fine. Also, who was that rando guy that shows up and he's like, I'm Wing Sensei?

Oh, no, he comes into play. I know all your powers for some reason. No, no, you'll say it. Yeah. Cool. He's powers for some reason. No, no, you'll see. Okay, right. Yeah. Cool. He's your dad, Mason. What?

Anyway, it's time for... Well, what we reading? What we gonna read? Yeah. I'm doing nothing. I'm doing nothing. What are we reading today? Do you read anything?

Yes. Then what you reading? Oh, I read the new issue of Injection is out. What is that? It's my favourite ongoing comic book. It's Warren Ellis and Declan Shelby. They did that Moon Knight run that I like. And as I say about Injection,

because I'm sure I've mentioned it before on this, but there was a long run between issues, but there's a new story arc that started. And it's essentially, if you can imagine, the X-Files, except it turns out that Mulder and Scully were secretly responsible for all the stuff they investigated. It's kind of that vibe. Good. Yeah, it's real good. Sounds like

that Doctor Who spinoff set in a warehouse. Or is that Warehouse 13? No, I'm thinking it's not Doctor Who spinoff. Don't worry, Mason. Nice. Sounds good. I'm watching, I did watch Star Wars Rebels. I'm going to spoil it right now. So spoilers for the, if you haven't seen Star Wars Rebels,

because you're never going to watch it. I'm never going to watch this. Okay. So it's, I'll put in the timestamp if you haven't seen it yet. So Darth Maul has returned. You probably know he's back. He's got ribbed legs. He's got ribbed legs.

And this whole season has been building up to him finding Obi-Wan and confronting him. That's been his focus. And when's this has been building up to him finding Obi-Wan and confronting him. That's been his focus. And when's this set again? A couple of years before New Hope. Okay. So it's old B-1 Kenobi. Got it.

Gotcha. Nice. Thank you. Was he young B-1 Kenobi for a couple of seasons? Then he's old B-1 Kenobi? No, you haven't seen him. So he hasn't been around since Revenge of the Sith. Oh, I see.

They've got a holocron of young B-1 Kenobi. Right, okay. Who's like, stay away from the Jedi Temple. It's fucked. Like see they've got a holocron of young young B1 Kenobi right okay who's like stay away from the Jedi Temple it's fucked like they've got that nice and then they got a new voice actor

to do the Alec Guinness one and it's the same guy he did Admiral Raddatz who you I've spoken to Admiral Raddatz you e-met yeah I e-met him on the internet

on the Steel Wars Calling show very cool he does a bang on Alec Guinness he's really good but anyway so this whole series, one of the arcs of this series has culminated in Darth Maul finally finding Obi-Wan Kenobi to exact his revenge. Where's me legs, you prick?

Where's your with me legs? Obi-Wan's not responsible for his legs. Both bits fell into the pit. That's true. Anyway, so it comes down and they have like a bit of a standoff. And it's a very, imagine how long or short do you think the fight is? Oh. I couldn't say.

One second or ten minutes? It's closer to one second. All right. So there's a bit of a standoff. They kind of change stances. Yes. And then they clash and Obi-Wan like sweeps through him like in like his second move.

Oh, wow. And Darth Maul tries the thing he did on Qui-Gon. If you remember, he kind of hits him with the lightsaber and then stabs him through the chest. He tries that, but in doing so,

Obi-Wan just like cuts him through like downwards. Oh, and he's dead. And it's done. So he kills him, right? Wow. So he's canonically dead now. Yes.

He's not coming back. And there's a bit of kind of like that was the shortest fight ever that was supposed to build to you know it was gonna be this epic but i don't i thought it was a really good shows the growth of both those characters one's been like consumed by rage and guilt and anger and all he wanted to do was destroy obi-wan and obi-wan's tired of everything he's tired of everyone's nonsense he's been sitting in the desert meditating watching a boy who he can't visit for 20 years

you know what I mean and he doesn't have time or he's just not even he's just kind of like I'm past this like I don't want to do this you should probably go

and I thought it was a really good kind of combination of that story arc like initially you might think it was anticlimactic but I thought it was I thought it was really great

like really well handled. Right, I like it. As opposed to a 10-minute flipping through the desert off two backs and whatever. Because what can you do in an animated series? Even with, you know, it's animated, so your budget can be whatever, but at the same time, it's just going to be flips and lightsabers.

They've fought before in animation a number of times. This is a very mature handling of everything. Yeah, I really thought so so I just thought it was I think it's well even if you're not a fan of the

the show because I think Rebels is it's up and down because it is also a kids show a lot of people don't like to to admit that but it is there's a lot of like

child friendly elements to it but there is the kind of the darker kind of more mature stuff and this is kind of a really good example of that so I thought it was just, I thought it was really well handled and worth talking about.

Spoilers over Mason. Would have been a good 10 minute lightsaber fight though. So many flips. Robots could have, they could have been robots. They could have jumped into speeders. Shield generators. And then spaceships.

Yeah. Yeah. Activated a droid, a defense droid. Light speed. Made the jump to light speed. They're in two light speed crafts going side by side exactly so many opportunities missed but no i think it was i don't know it's

weird because like it feels like the battle is kind of being fought before they start because they're eyeing each other off and they're like slowly changing stances like that that is actually longer than the battle itself like they're kind of sizing each other off and they're like slowly changing stances. Like that is actually longer than the battle itself. Like they're kind of sizing each other up. Yeah, it's really good. I like it. Anything else? No.

Then play the lettuce thing, Mason. I don't mind if you do. I'm gonna though. I said I don't mind. You can play it. I'm playing it. Permission granted. I'm playing it.

It's thinking. Ready to go. Yeah, all right. Wi-Fi. The classic one was letters, oh letters. We love you, some letters. They're only a day away. I know they're here right now.

We're going to have their letters. I don't have a letter ready. Can you stall? You don't have a letters? I don't have a letters ready. Okay. Well, do you want me to just read in the tweets that I've got while you're looking for a letters? Yes, read some tweets. Okay, no worries. If you want to just read the tweets that I've got while you're looking for a letters? Yes. Read some tweets.

Okay. No worries. If you want to reach the show, you can hashtag weeklyplanetpod on Twitter. Mason or myself will find them and then we'll read out some. Also, if you want to send an email to us at weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com and Mason will find your email live on the show. That's right. All right.

This is from Thomas Hanley. Would you like to see if the DCCU would lead up to a flashpoint and have J.D. Morgan, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, Thomas Wayne Batman? So do you want to see? I think we've talked about this. Do you want to see Jeffrey Dean Morgan, who plays Bruce Wayne's father in the start of Batman v Superman become Thomas Wayne yes absolutely yeah me too yeah I like Ben Affleck but if you want to reboot

that's the way you do it and that's just and you do you do the Flashpoint universe and then you just at the end of it you snap everything back and you put a new cast and new everything us new new cast nuance absolutely so that's pretty good yeah no absolutely um I don't see there's and new everything. Arse. New cast, new arse. Absolutely. So that's pretty good. Yeah, no, absolutely. I don't see, there's no, they could be building to that because there's sort of been some time travel maybe

or flashbacks. But I think a lot of that stuff, either by accident or on purpose, I think it could be an accident. They have actually lined up this universe to do that if they wanted to. Yeah, absolutely. They've cast a guy who could do it. You there there is time travel as i just said yeah why not do you think jeffrey

dean morgan like sometimes he's not doing anything and he just sits at home and he's like this is gonna be this phone call is gonna be sweet yeah like they call him up so much money oh that's right i'm the linchpin that's holding this universe together. Everybody's going to hate your universe unless I step in. Interesting. How very interesting. That's right. He's holding The Walking Dead together at the moment as well.

When he bothers to show up. That guy's great. I like him. He's really good. He was great in The Losers, a movie that nobody likes except me. And me. All right, cool. It's way better than The A-Team, which came out around the same time. He was great in Watchmen.

It's weird when he plays like an 18-year-old version of himself, though. Isn't it, though? Doesn't work at all. No, no. But no, he's great. He's well worth the price of admission. He's Dean Winchester's father from Supernatural. Did you call him Ding Winchester?

Yeah, Ding Winchester. There's Dean, and who's the other one? Sam. And Ding. The three brothers. There is actually a third Winchester. Ding Winchester. Yeah, that's right.

You want to do the letter first or do you want to do a... Let's do a letter. Okay, so this is from Ben Dow. Hello from Canada. Hello. I've been a long time listening to the podcast and wondering if you guys might do a drunk recording of it. I reckon we'll do a drunk commentary at some point.

Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Because there's less pressure. See, people say they want that, but do they really? Do you know what I mean? Well, this one says, it says, noticed a lot of the other cast I listened to are getting on board with the idea. Yeah, but they're bad blokes, though.

Yeah, I know. They're all bad blokes. And sheilas. The thing is, this is also, look, sure, we'll probably end up doing it by accident at some point. Right. Well, I'm not a big drinker, so. Yeah, well, that's true. We don't know how you'd handle it. Look, sure, we'll probably end up doing it by accident at some point. Right. Well, I'm not a big drinker, so. Yeah, well, that's true. We don't know how you'd handle it.

Yeah. And I'm a naked drunk, so who knows how this is going to go. Oh, my goodness. But what was I going to say? It's like when, whenever, like, I've emceed a few weddings in my day, Mason. I'm officially retired. I don't like doing it. You're officially retired now.

Yes, because it's a job. It's like, come to our wedding, but do a job. And people have always said, one of the big incentives is, oh, don't worry, you can drink as much as you want. And I always say, if I drink as much as I want, you don't want me to get up and do this. Do you know what I mean?

Like I cannot do it. The point is, I don't know how it would go, but we'll probably end up doing it at some point. I reckon we should do a commentary. It'd have to be a short one. Something real bad. It'd have to be a short one though. Really? Okay. Because we'd have to sustain that level because you want drunkenness yeah you want to kind of you want to be that buzz to be you don't want to kind of bottom out or get too drunk that's true you know what i mean i got a pretty good handle

on my drinking but i don't know how do you feel i'm a real cool guy when i'm drunk you'll have a couple of ciders well my limit my limit's three at all times. After three, three of anything, and I just find a nice couch and I have a lie down. Again, I take my shoes off. That's the rules. When you take your shoes off, nobody can mess with you, and then you just go to sleep. That's not a rule.

It is a rule. It's absolutely not. Email in, folks, if that's the rule. I wouldn't care if your shoes are off. Wow, because you have no honour. I have no honour. You fight like lace curtains. Your kicks and punches are weak, not like the tiger.

No honour. Very dishonourable. I think you could kill a man with a lace curtain. I think so, yeah. All right. This is from Camping Catastrophe. That's cool, I like that. Hashtag weeklyplanetpod.

Is there no room for original characters in comic books anymore? Good question. Yeah. A lot of stuff has been done. A lot of it is it's not so much the story you tell more than who's in it. You can make a good story based on anybody. Yeah, and also I think there's, does that say superhero comic books or just comic books? It just says comic books.

No, I think there's heaps of stuff. I think there's plenty of stuff to be said. In fact, I think maybe something that has yet to be said in comic books a lot is just real people doing real stuff. Right, yeah. Like I think maybe superheroes in a way are kind of done to death.

Maybe that's the problem is that there's only a limited number of superhero archetypes. There's only so many capes you can have. So there's so many capes you can have. So many capes. There's, you know, if some.

Cape at the front and the back. What? But none on the sides. It's more of a poncho, isn't it? It's more of a poncho. Yeah. In a way.

I don't know. I mean, I think, but I think, and again, if you listen to our friends over at Serious Issues Podcast. Yeah. They will,

they, they review all the number one issues that come out every week. Yes. And there's some, there's just people, especially some indie stuff. People are just. Some of the creator owned stuff.

Real good. And they always say, well, he's Levin says that they always give the creator own stuff, like more of a shot than the Marvel stuff. And yeah, because Marvel's always going to be about the same. If somebody's pumped in the time and the money and the energy to do that off

their own accord. Yep. Like then obviously that's something that you'd give a bit more respect to. Something they recommended last week is a series called Grass Kings, which is sort of set in a big old open field.

It's like a trailer trash feudal world kind of thing, set apart from the it's in the United States, but they don't recognize the laws of the United States. And it's kind of like a, you know, like a knight's kind of feudal kind of situation. Yeah. I enjoy it. I enjoyed it.

See, there you go. That's a, that's a fun new idea. And maybe that's a fresh new idea. And that's something we'll be looking at bloody, promoting on the show in the future. Not that in particular, but like maybe some creator owned stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally.

We've been talking about it. So what's this space Mason. What's this space, Mason? What's this space? He's giving me the finger, folks. No, wait. He's turned it around. He's given two fingers, but now he's turned it around on himself.

Oh, no. And he's crying because the fingers were actually meant for him. It's not true. He's using theater of the mind. I actually rolled him, but that's not how that came across then.

No, he rolled himself. I got wrecked, mate. And now he's stepped in front of a car in New York and he's not good enough to flip over and then he's dead.

Good night, everyone. That's the show for this week. That was a rough flip. Some of the flips were okay in that show. Yeah. The flip did not feel cool. Some of the jumping off fence stuff looked good.

Some looked very obviously wire work. There's a fight in the rain later on. It's not really a spoiler. But as I'm watching it, I'm like, this is pretty good. Then I'm thinking, is it just the rain? Yeah, but I remember being impressed. Anyway, where can people find us? We're at Weekly Planet Pod on Facebook and Gmail and Twitter and Bandcamp

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weekly planet in a way he is even more so than the dog mm-hmm yeah that's right here yeah look at that dog you don't understand because you're a dog um yeah i know maybe she does oh

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episode description also i tweeted out um the brother that you like yes um was shaving his head for cancer yeah someone pointed out not for cancer i should have said against cancer sure right he wasn't shaving his head in support of cancer he's just staring people down god i hope you get cancer and i think just from tweeting out they got like an extra thousand bucks from that which is awesome so thanks everybody and thanks to him yeah they're looking like a real big old Cat side. And I think just from tweeting out, they got like an extra thousand bucks from that, which is awesome. So thanks, everybody. And thanks to him.

Yeah. For looking like a real big old egg. Has he done it already? He has, yeah. Great. I haven't seen a clear, clear photo of it yet. Well, you don't want that. You'd go blind.

Yes, I would. Yeah. What's a thing? What's the last thing? I had another thing to say. Next week, Power Rangers? Oh, and Ghost in the Shell. Is that next week as well?

Is that next week? No, actually, that's the 30th, maybe. Okay. That's in a couple of weeks. Two things. Two things, yeah. Okay. Yeah, two things.

I don't know if we're going to get into this. Okay, which is going to be better? You'll have to remember. Oh, Power Rangers. Oh, I think Ghost in the Shell is going to be better. Yeah, agreed. Again, there is going to be better yeah great again there's going to be

some controversy why? because ghosts aren't real? yeah because ghosts are not real and we're going to pretend they're real for like two and a half hours

nonsense ah good lord yeah alright well anyway thank you for listening to this yeah thank you for listening guys we'll see you at the live show yeah

on Saturday we're only going to do like maybe 20 or so minutes and then other people are going to come up. There's going to be a panel. We're going to introduce the other podcasts and whatnot. It's going to be a bit of a thing. If that's boring, there's an open bar afterwards. It's not open. I think it's beer, wine and champagne. And everybody gets a drink on entry.

If we're not that entertaining, just get real sourced. It doesn't matter. Do your own drunken commentary. Yeah, man. There's a thought. We're not your mother. Is your mother going to be there I think so yeah she's going to be there do you want to say hello

no I'm going to be thinking about it the whole time I did not invite my family really I didn't think about it if I'm honest I didn't invite most of my friends

because I don't like mixing worlds because I find it easier to do it in front of people I don't know as opposed to people I do there you go because if I crash and burn the people in my life

won't see it so yeah they don't really care opposed to people I do. There you go. Because if I crash and burn, the people in my life won't see it. They don't really care about anything I do anyway. That's the spirit. Because they have real jobs and real pressures and the guilt of working in finance. They've got that to deal with. Look, we've all suffered, haven't we? In a way.

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