The Weekly Planet - 18 Comic Book Movies Stuck In Development Hell

Episode Date: January 27, 2014

This week's episode covers the massive amount of Batman VS Superman rumours, The Avengers Age Of Ultron, Wonder Woman, Killer Crow and more.Plus movies that have been stuck in development hell that we still want to see! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Will you rise with the sun to help change mental health care forever? Join the Sunrise Challenge to raise funds for CAMH, the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, to support life-saving progress in mental health care.

From May 27th to 31st, people across Canada will rise together and show those living with mental illness and addiction that they're not alone. Help CAMH build a future where no one is left behind. So, who will you rise for? Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. Shooting up your butthole The Weekly Planet, The Weekly Planet Welcome back everybody to another episode of The Weekly Planet

Oh, yet another! Oh, when are they going to stop? That's the internet talking Oh, I thought you weren't on board for this for a second I thought you were like, you've had it going Yeah, I'm part of the internet Okay, good, yeah, yeah So that's both of us

Good, it is, it is Wow, we're the official podcast of Comic Book Movie You know I have to put that in Yep Because otherwise, what's the point? So that's both of us. Good. It is. It is. Wow. We're the official podcast of Comic Book Movie. You don't have to put that in. Yep. Because otherwise, what's the point? It validates the existence of this podcast. And in a way, both of us. What else do we contribute?

I was going to say we have other hobbies, but we don't really. No. You build that little train set. I do, yeah. Put on me little engineer's hat and me overalls. And I invite people around and I just make people, I just make eye contact and make people watch it. And yet you've yet to invite me, you son of a bitch.

One day. Yeah, one day. My name is James, you might know me as Mr. Sunday. Joining me is Mr. Mace, Nick Mason Mace. How are you? I'm alright. You know, how was your Australian day? It was pretty good.

25th of January is Australia Day for all those who don't know which is most 26th is it yes fucking hell wow so most of you you're including yourself this has been a disaster from beginning to end and this is the end we're cutting here is that really right yeah i should know that no yeah you're a poor australian well i did spend the entire day hung over yeah well okay that makes more sense i spent most of the day in pain because the previous day i i the previous night i spent in a warehouse filled with trampolines oh you went to bounce i went to bounce yeah i've never been to that but i was they i didn't i'm sure that the general wisdom is donate a huge meal and then another huge meal and then all your friends warn you not to have any more food and then you have more

food. That's on the sign on the way in. Yeah. And then I did that. And so it was just me just slowly rocking in a corner for most of it. But I had fun. With like seasick or like just like general? Just general kind of if I move any more than this, there's going to be trouble.

So I can't really you're gonna shit your pants yeah yeah no double bouncing here no double bouncing there wow well that's good let's get straight into the news let's please do i know i said no more charlotte oh my god this is a good one though it better be a good one okay i mean to be fair they've all been pretty good it's not like you've given a disappointing piece of charlotte news that they are it is a good one though it better be a good one okay i mean to be fair they've all been pretty good it's not like you've given a disappointing piece of shia labeouf news that they are it is a snowball effect really consistently great okay so basically he's uh trying to put something uh together is it a train set it's a train set yes uh-huh he said that he wants it to be better than yours wow and he's already invited me just Just thought I'd... Man, this guy's rich. I know, right? From the little gold trains.

That he's stolen from someone. Anyway, he basically come out and said that all the plagiarism and everything involved in that and how he's reacted and his apologies and presumably the headbutt

Right. is all performance art. No, it's not. He's gone the Joaquin Phoenix route. Yeah. Of all, let's Let's make pretend here. You know what?

I think people would be more inclined to believe it if he had to let anybody in on it beforehand. Yes. What he should have done is he should have written down that he was doing a piece of performance art where he'd be a real dick to people and use up production resources to make a short film,

like waste everybody's time in doing that. Yep, yep. And then really upset real people. He should write that down he was going to do all that and then put it in an envelope and then mail it to himself so the postmark would be on it with the date. That's a really good idea. And then what he could have done is he could have gone,

okay, folks, rip this open on television. Look, I was having a little joke with you, having a little bit of fun. I got you. But he didn't, did he? He didn't do it he didn't get us no well it goes beyond this though

because he's actually doing something called an apology tour where he's trying to put something together like a performance art show and he's actually sent this proposal to four different art gallery spaces for something that he can do like it's a week-long exhibition

and it's amazing I'm sure you want to hear it do you want to hear it? yes he's going to tourlong exhibition, and it's amazing. I'm sure you want to hear it. Do you want to hear it? Yes. He's going to tour around. I think it's in the one place. Oh. I'm just going to read this, okay?

I'm ready. Because there's a lot going on here. Okay. For seven days, Shia will sit at a table in a small boxy room at the rear of a Los Angeles gallery. It is not clear whether this is actually Shia or an imposter. A paper bag will cover his head, emblazoned with the words, I am not famous anymore.

So it won't be him. Yeah, well, that's it. It's a guy he's hired. It gets better. The public will be invited to the gallery. The text on the gallery exterior is hashtag I am sorry and Shia LaBeouf underneath. At the gallery entrance, there'll be two bouncers on either side of the door. There may or may not be a queue to enter. he's at least he's left room for that absolutely

there's some wiggle room there for potentially this won't be the most amazing thing of all time you may not have to line up for it upon entering visitors will find themselves in a light spacious holding area in this room will be a long table offering up an assortment of implements such as a pair of pliers, a bottle of whiskey. This is all true, by the way. I didn't make any of this up, just so we're clear. A Transformers toy and an Indiana Jones whip.

Flowers, a book of love poems, Belgium chocolates, a ukulele, the anthology of Daniel Clow's work. So the idea is you pick an implement and you beat him with it? There's also a glass jar full of small folded pieces of paper with Twitter comments printed on them. These are mostly, though, not all vitriolic in nature.

In the holding area, visitors will be silent, instructed by a performer whose name's Nastja. N-A-S-T-J-A? I'm sure I said that wrong. Doesn't matter. It's probably like a Natalia or something. It's some bizarre foreign spelling, which I don't care for on Australian day. No. Whatever that day is.

Yeah, that's right. They'll at least be given the opportunity to choose one item and take it to the next room with them. It will be made clear which they may do whatever as they please with this item. Each visitor will have time to consider his or her choice carefully. When it is their turn, each visitor will walk alone through a curtain into the second room. There is the room Shire is seated. There is an empty chair on the other side of him.

Visitors may do and say as they wish with their chosen implement. Now, Shire will remain silent throughout with a mask over his head. He will be subject to humiliation or forgiveness at the visitor's discretion. Now, do or say as they wish with their chosen implement. Does that mean I could grab a ukulele and just crack his head? I hope so, but no. That won't be it. Unless, okay, if it's him, the answer is no.

If it's some extra that he's hired out of Central Casting or whatever for like $10 an hour, then yes. The thing is as well, for me personally, I'm not going to go into a room and crack a guy in the face who might be Shia LaBeouf. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, I want to make sure that it's him. He needs to be in his Matt Williams costume, and I need

him for Mineta Jones 4, and I need to see his face. Isn't that amazing? Yes. I hope. Look, I know we've put a moratorium on Shia LaBeouf news. Every week. Every week, so far. But I hope next week, it turns out that he has stolen this entire idea from somebody else.

Wouldn't that be great? So there you go. Tune in next week, Mason. Well, don't tune in. Just be here and I'll tell you what other thing that he's done. Do I have to be here? Can you just text me? I can text it to you, yes.

Okay, please. Thank you. All right. Now, there was a Fantastic Four synopsis which was floating around for the Fantastic Four reboot, which people got very upset about. Did you read it? No. Did you read Richard's it? reboot, which people got very upset about. Did you read it? No.

Did you Reed Richards it? Oh, there we go. Had that ready. Okay, so basically the idea was Reed Richards and Ben Grimm, that after specific events, and it doesn't say what, they find themselves empowered with bizarre new abilities. Ben becomes the rock monster, etc. But Reed becomes a scientific genius who can stretch,

twist, and reshape his body. So he becomes a scientific genius. Don't like that. Also, then, they end up being owned by the government and used as weapons, but then after they mature, two other people with powers come into the picture. Sue Storm, who's called the Invisible Girl. Not the Invisible Woman.

And Johnny Storm, yeah, the Human girl not the invisible woman and Johnny Storm yeah the human torch the human torch boy yeah the human torch boy that's been debunked because people on the internet

were flipping out I just wanted to make that clear because people were very angry about that particular sounds like the beginning of an

X-Men movie or something yeah I don't yeah because they're supposed to be all together and a family

before it happens exactly and they're not supposed to be children so there you go but josh drank the director himself came out and said that well yeah good good now any any casting news on that oh that miles teller his name is or something he's in a bunch of stuff they said his name has been floating around for um reed richards for ages huh one of the girls from Girls Was rumoured to be Sue Storm Her name's Maney in the show

I don't know what her real name is And it's been said that A lot of casting out of girls That's true And what's his name Michael Chiklis again Michael Chiklis is back but this time it's Johnny Storm Michael B. Jordan from Fruitvale Station

And the upcoming Creed movie the Apollo Creed the Rocky spin-off Creed where he's Apollo Creed's son no grandson and Rocky trains him to fight there you go

doesn't that sound amazing I would watch that I'm so into that soundtrack by Creed soundtrack by Creed yes now there's been some Avengers 2 location news

this is going to continue forever isn't it the Avengers news is going to continue forever Superman isn't it? Avengers news is going to continue forever. Superman vs. Batman news is going to continue forever. You should see the list of Superman vs. Batman news that I've got for this week. It's terrifying. Great. And not interesting.

Stay tuned. Oh, Freddie. Because basically there's been some Avengers 2 locations confirmed. In Northern Italy, there's a place called Fort Bard, which is like a kind of stronghold kind of thing. If you can imagine, it kind of looks like the castle in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. You know that he goes in and he machine guns some Nazis in front of his dad. That's such a great scene.

But it's rumoured that that could be the home of Baron Von Strucker or a stronghold. You know, I had a thought the other day. Because I was discussing Indiana Jones, the three Indiana Jones movies that exist. Yes. With some friends of mine. And I'm sure this has been floated on the internet before, but Temple of Doom is not the best one. No.

But it is the only one where the presence or absence of Indiana Jones makes any difference at all. Think about it. Okay, so in the other ones... Temple of Doom. Yep. Not Temple of Doom. Raiders of the Lost Ark

if Indiana Jones isn't there what happens either A they never find the Ark of the Covenant or B they eventually find

the Ark of the Covenant after digging just forever for years and years and then after the war ends and then they open the

the Ark of the Covenant they all die yeah you're right and then maybe even if they've sent a message to some more Nazis some more Nazis show up and open the Ark of the Covenant, they all die. Yeah, you're right. And then, maybe, even if they've sent a message to some more Nazis, some more Nazis show up and open the Ark of the Covenant, and they all die.

And this continues forever until they run out of Nazis. And the monkey wouldn't have died. Exactly. I think, if anything, it would have been better if Indiana Jones wasn't there, and then just an endless parade of Nazis just came in the room containing the Ark of the Covenant and all were turned to dust. That's amazing. Temple of Doom,

yeah, he does save all those kids. I love Temple of Doom. I know people are like, it's dark, it sucks, or whatever. I love Temple of Doom. It's amazing. Is it because of the brain eating? No, not even.

It's just a great... You know what? It's got awesome fight scenes, action scenes. And you know what? Most of them aren't even him. They're his stuntman. His name's Vic Armstrong

or something like that. I might be wrong. But he's like this super handsome guy. Uh-huh. Maybe even more handsome than Harrison Ford. What?

Who's to say? Yeah. And he had a joke. He had a joke. Harrison Ford once wrote a thing to him and said, if you ever learn to speak, I'd be in serious trouble

or whatever. Uh-huh. And Harrison Ford suffered this horrific back injury during that. And so most of the fight scenes are this other guy. So when you see him swinging and doing

pretty much everything where you don't see his face or you can barely see his face it's not him huh so yeah that being said you're right

and Temple of Doom is a great movie which is the point wasn't it no no what if he wasn't there for Crystal Skull what would have happened

let me think aliens yeah aliens well they still would have got all the knowledge but then it was too much knowledge and then the city would have been destroyed. It would have been the same thing.

There you go. Yeah. Nice work, Indiana Jones. And he wouldn't have got married. Yep. Do you reckon they'd be happy they married him off? No. There's a rumour that Harrison Ford's deal

in relation to Star Wars Episode VII, which Carrie Fisher came out and again confirmed that they were all involved, even though Disney haven't announced anything. Because Carrie Fisher doesn't care. She doesn't lose canon. Yeah. That part of the deal is that he wants to make another Indiana Jones movie.

All right. You're cool with it? I guess so. Should they reboot it? Could they reboot it? You get, like, you know who would have been good a few years ago? What's his name? He's in Inner Space.

Dennis Quaid. Dennis Quaid, yeah. Okay. Dennis Quaid 10, 15 years ago. If the sequel had Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones in the Sean Connery dad role... Which I think the last one was supposed to be. Yeah, it's supposed to be, but properly. Yeah, properly.

And then somebody other than Shia LaBeouf. Yeah. Or Shia LaBeouf. Once he gets this little inconvenience out of the way, we bring Shia back in. I think I've said this before and I've taken heat for it. I reckon Josh Hartnett would be a good young Indiana Jones. Yes, okay, that's good. Especially off the back of Lucky Number Slevin, or The Wrong Man, or whatever it's called.

He's great and he should be in more things. 30 Days of Night's an amazing movie as well. Yes. Josh Hartnett's great. Or Ashton Kutcher, whatever. Yeah. Any of them. Josh Hartnett's great. Or Ashton Kutcher. Yeah. Any of them. It doesn't matter.

Anyway, basically, so yeah, they've got this Italian stronghold for the Avengers 2, which is supposed to be for Baron Von Strucker, they think. And Baron Von Strucker also supposedly has Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch working for him. And so maybe that's where they recruit them or they have a showdown. What kind of jacket do you think Quicksilver will be wearing? It's hard to say at this point. It really is.

Yeah. I think they'll steer away from the silver jacket. A la X-Men. Do you think the super speed special effect has gotten better over the years? No. That's a shame. Well, Bryan Singer has...

Oh, probably. It was good in Man of Steel. Yeah. Aside from probably too much shaky cam. Bryan Singer is shooting all those super speed things in his X-Men movie with that guy in 48 frames per second, I think. Oh, okay. So I guess that will add something to it. Or nothing.

Or nothing. Or it'll look really, just really... People will just start vomiting in the cinema. That'll be great. add something to it or nothing or nothing or it'll look really just really you'll get people to just start vomiting in the cinema that'll be great other shooting locations include South Africa

and South Korea for The Avengers 2 so it's very much a world film I mean mostly the South yes did I say South Korea? yes

yeah South Korea South Africa yeah mostly if not all the South maybe they'll sneak into a few scenes yeah stick in North Korea for a bit that'd be great that'd work out really well for everyone uh joss whedon has also said that his guiding star for the avengers age of ultron is

uh godfather part two in the sense that lots of things happen between the avengers and the avengers 2 it's a completely different story the characters are developed but you don't need to know any of that information going in so you don't need to have seen the Iron Man 3 or Thor or whatever, Thor 2, going into Avengers 2. Because he's aware of that. Yeah. And also, Captain America wakes up and he's got Beta Ray Bill's head in his bed, eh? Guy's got a horse head to reference for you. Very good. How do you like that?

Good pull. Yeah. Did you know I was going to... No. That was pretty good. Well done you like that? Good ball. Yeah. Did you know I was going to... No. That was pretty good. Yeah. Well done. You're very impressive.

I have a basic knowledge of things. You sure do. Two actors from The Vampire Diaries, which I have not seen. You seen that show? No. Me neither. I don't know their names. I didn't write them down.

What do you think is going to be next after vampires and then Frankensteins? I think angels is going to be the next thing. Okay. They do it on Supernatural a lot. I think Angels is going to be the next thing. Okay. Because they do it on Supernatural a lot. I like Supernatural. Well, there's Angels in Frankensteins, which tanked, by the way.

And Gargoyles also. Yeah. But they are the Angels. Oh, I see. Yeah. Pretty good, eh? Really. Very good.

That tanked. So maybe it won't be Angels. I reckon it'll be Angels. Well, what else is there? Mummies. Yeah, mummies might come back. Sexy mummies, yeah. Have they done werewolves? Have they done werewolves?

Have they done werewolves? Anyway, two actors from that. A guy and a girl. One's a generic blonde guy. Beholders. Beholders. Sexy beholders? What's a beholder?

It's the Dungeons and Dragons monster. It's like a big ball. Is that with the eye? Oh, yeah. Sexy beholders. Like just living in New York in the underground. That'd be amazing. Being Oh, yeah. Sexy Beholders. Like, just living in New York in the underground. That'd be amazing. Being sexy, yeah.

Yeah. Like, sexy Beholder nightclubs. There's always a sexy nightclub in these things, isn't there? Yep. Yeah. Anyway, these two people have been cast as Killer Frost and the Reverse Flash in the Flash TV series, which is a spin-off of the Arrow TV series.

So there you go. I know they're not those characters initially. They're the characters' real names who I didn't write down.

You might know. Do you know? Doesn't matter. They're in there somewhere. Yeah. And then they'll develop into something

more substantial. Are you going to watch the Flash pilot TV series? Do you know what's the last one with Dawson's dad from Dawson's Creek?

Way back in the day, sure I did. I never saw it. That show cost a million dollars an episode, which back in the day was a lot of money. I think that's still a lot of money. It's peanuts. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. It's not even the catering.

It's got that bizarre kind of Burton kind of costume for the Flash. It's very rubbery. Very rubbery. Very fake muscles. Yeah. Yeah. And Mark Hamill's the bad guy. Sometimes, yeah.

Yeah. In real life. Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. Two bat suits are rumoured to be in Batman vs Superman. Brace yourself. I've got about 40 minutes of this.

Is that like in Batman Forever? Yeah. That's exactly what I said. Okay. And Batman and Robin. Oh, yeah. Okay. One of them is apparently going to be, you know, a traditional kind of Jim Lee kind of suit.

Yep. Which I'm really looking forward to seeing. And the other one is like a silver kind of plating armor over a black material. And there's gaps between so you can see the black in between the silver plate. Oh, that's very fancy. Which is again like Batman and Robin because he's wearing a silver plated freeze armor, I guess. Probably. Yeah.

So, you know, I think that's very interesting. Or not interesting. It's so he can fight Superman, I guess. Yeah. I just want to see this suit. The thing is, well, it's two years of this. I can't do... It's not even two years.

It's May of 2016. So it's longer than two years. Wow. I can't talk about this for two years. No. It's too much. Maybe this is a trick and they're going to release it way ahead of time. I would love that.

Well, apparently the production hasn't stalled because they were saying, like, oh, it's slowed down and people are like, Ben Affleck's going to quit or whatever, which I think is not true at all. Maybe it is. Who cares? The point is...

Just get Josh Hartnett. Get Josh Hartnett, exactly. Yeah. I'm going to probably cough a bit of flak for that. Yeah. But I love Josh Hartnett and I loved him in H2O, the Mike Myers film.

The Halloween 2019. The Halloween, yes. Great. I don't know what I was going to say. The Halloween 20th anniversary. Yes. Great. I don't know what I was going to say. Two years in this thing. If we do an episode of all-time worst titled films, I think H20 has to go in there. Because it's not the 20th film in the series. It's 20 years after. Right, but it's not about water,

which a lot of people assumed. Oh, yeah. It was an H20-based film, based horror film. That's it so there you go make of that what you will fantastic

oh yeah sorry yeah so it's not being delayed so they're still going to film it and everything because apparently if they don't do it it's going to clash

with Ben Affleck's other projects blah blah blah Jersey Girl 2 great Geely 2 Geely 2 and so yeah

so I guess I think the only reason is there must be serious troubles or they're doing Justice League or both. Maybe. Maybe what we should do is each week we can have Shia LaBeouf news or Batman vs Superman news and not both. Fair enough.

Yeah. That's fair. What if they combine, though? What if he gets a role? That would be amazing. What if he's Jimmy Olsen? What if he's Clark Kent? What if he's Clark Kent?

Ant-Man, though, has taken the July 7th, 2015 release date of Batman v Superman. Oh, just slotting in there. Just slotting in there. I think because, you know... Do you think that's deliberate? Yeah, absolutely. Because Batman v Superman was moved to the date of an unnamed Marvel film in 2016. And whatever that Marvel movie is going to be, it's going to get smashed. Right.

Unless it's Iron Man versus Thor. But even then... That happened already. Yeah, exactly. It did. So who knows what they're going to do. I'm just going to jump back to television just quickly. Okay.

You know the Gotham TV series... It's against protocol, but that's fine. You know the Gotham TV series? Yep. Oh, do we have moustache news? I don't have moustache news. I'm assuming, let's, oh, I hope he's got a moustache. You have to give him a moustache, because you can't know moustache and then have him grow a moustache. I don't know, maybe you can. This is another thing I'm going to talk about

just quickly. Just moustaches? This isn't on here. Just moustaches. Kevin Smith and, um, what's his name? Oh, what's the, I think it's the guy who did um the animated Batman Paul Daney yeah it might be Paul Daney I'm pretty sure it is anyway they they floated this idea for a young Bruce Wayne series that follows him through through high school and then up to when he becomes Batman and then about a month later they've said in Gotham this TV series is going to focus on Jim Gordon and a 12 year old Bruce Wayne and it's going to end with him putting on the costume so Kevin Smith's like

I think they stole this idea but I think that's probably an idea that's been around for a while yeah yeah

teen I mean it's very it's very convenient it is yeah I mean but hey who knows you never really think of Batman going to

high school well that's the thing it's never been explored and they're talking about being kind of a mystery thing and all of these a few of these

rogues gallery there and the the principals um or the headmaster whatever called in the u.s is like hugo strange and and they're like this is talia al ghul yeah and i hate that yeah so there you go but anyway back to gotham what if it's a what if the final scene in that series is just it's it's batman it's br's Bruce Wayne putting on the bat costume and then like back to back with Jim Gordon and he's just grooming a moustache

and then we go oh it's all come together but the thing is I like but they never see each other it's one of those weird yeah where they never look

the other way so they never know I like Kevin Smith but I think he's too close to Batman and he loves it too much to do anything with it also because I think he's too close to Batman and he loves it too much to do anything with it because I think he's crippled by his fandom yeah, he's crippled by his fandom

in that last Batman comic that he wrote The Widening Gyre no, the one after that, Cacophony it's the worst Batman story I've ever read you gave me that, you've got to check this out you will not believe it because Kevin Smith's clearly written himself as the Bruceuce wade

character right because he's the best writer in the world yeah that's right people don't people don't realize it yeah there's a whole bunch and batman invites a guy who he doesn't even know into the bat cave reveals his secret identity straight and then that guy immediately kills his girlfriend who is who exists solely for the purposes of becoming a love interest and then being killed yeah Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, yeah, I think he's too close to it. I think he loves it too much to get involved in it.

And also, I think people would flip out. Yeah. And again, I like Kevin Smith. I think he's great. But he's better as a fan and somebody commenting on it than a... And also, he'll put in a Blood Men and Chronic cameo and that's not going to work. No, that's it. Anyway, what was I originally saying? The Penguin is going to be a villain. The's not going to work. No. That's it. What was I originally saying?

The Penguin is going to be a villain. The first villain in Gotham. I'm assuming Oswald Cobblepot, though, and not the actual Penguin. Because they're talking about no wacky villains to start with. It's before Batman and whatever. So he'll probably be like, maybe he's running for mayor. With Christopher Walken's help. Absolutely.

He'll bite someone's nose off. Absolutely. He'll be doing that. Sure. So yeah. Could be a fishmonger. Could be a fishmonger. Yeah. for mayor with Christopher Walken's help absolutely bite someone's nose off or whatever happened to that movie sure so yeah could be a fishmonger could be a fishmonger

yeah I don't know I think that'd be interesting could work in an umbrella store can you imagine yeah I'm gonna close that curtain again that car

like last week is shining right in my eyes okay unless you want to pull that one down just there use your hands this one here and skills yeah

what am I doing it's a cord it's a curtain I doing? It's a cord. It's a curtain. I am aware of a cord. Oh, I see. They're in most houses. No, I don't. No, here we go.

Right, we did it. It's way darker in here now. It's too dark now. Brilliant. It's obsessively dark. You can maybe put it up a little bit. No.

Doesn't matter. Back to Batman vs Superman. Gal Gadot was apparently signed a three-picture deal. Gal Gadot update? Gal Gadot update. How do we spell it? Oh, I don't know. I'm just saying Gal Gadot from now on. Because it can't be Gadot. Maybe it's Gadot has apparently signed a three-pitcher deal. Gal Gadot update? Gal Gadot update. How do we spell it? Oh, I don't know.

I'm just saying Gal Gadot. Because it can't be Gadot. Maybe it's Gadot. It could be. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. The first deal of which will net her a cool $300,000

for a Batman vs Superman appearance. That's nearly a third of an episode of the 1980s Flash TV series. The next movie is rumoured to be Justice League, and then a Wonder Woman solo movie. So there you go. Good for that, I guess? Fantastic. Yeah.

Okay, the villains. Female-fronted superhero films. How many have there been? Elektra? Elektra, Catwoman. I don't think Catwoman counts. I'm just putting my foot down. It doesn't count.

That's pretty much it. I mean, no, there are others, no doubt. But just female? I mean, if you count Tomb Raider, there's that, I guess. Oh, okay. Do you count Tomb Raider? No. Do you remember the time we saw Tomb Raider 2 Cradle of Life?

There was nothing out that week and we'll go, let's go see Tomb Raider. How bad could it be? And it was the worst movie. I'll be honest, I don't really remember which one is one and which one is two. I've only seen two. I don't know if I've seen one or two. I'll be honest with you. Two's the one is one which one is two i've only seen two i don't know if i've seen one or two i'll be honest with you who's the one where she goes and finds the um pandora's box and at the end she's gonna open it is there ice involved at the end i think that's batman and robin oh yeah doesn't matter you don't remember no wow

does that really cut you deep at the time huh well i've buried it very deep then, evidently. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Will you rise with the sun to help change mental health care forever? Join the Sunrise Challenge to raise funds for CAMH,

the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, to support life-saving progress in mental health care. From May 27th to 31st, people across Canada will rise together and show those living with mental illness and addiction that they're not alone. Help CAMH build a future where no one is left behind. So, who will you rise for? Register

today at sunrisechallenge.ca That's sunrisechallenge.ca Okay. A whole lot of our back members to do men rumors for what the story is going to be about Take this with a grain of salt Mason A grain of salt as big as an apple Just chomp on that

Okay The villains are supposedly Lex Luthor and Metallo Is it Metallo or Metallo I'm going to say Metallo I've always said Metallo Well you're wrong aren't you Put it down walk away Walk away from

the pop culture podcast batman forms a un type deal to stop superman from destroying another city batman forms a un deal yeah with who with the un that's a really good question yeah batman's not making deals he's not making deals yeah i'm against it so far but continue aquaman is in it but he's not called aquaman oh he's called's called, I don't know, maybe Aquaboy. Moist Man. Moist Man. Moisture Man. Apparently he's there because the world engine in the ocean did something to the fish.

What if it was called like Vitamin Water Man? Like they, an inexplicably really, really crass deal with some sort of promotional product. That'd be amazing. Yep. Yeah. Gatorade Man. Gatorade man. Gatorade man, yeah. But no, no, he's there because, you remember the world engine?

Yes. That was like drilling through the earth? Yep. It did something to the fish. So he turns up and he's like, what's going on, guys? What's going on? My fish. Having a bad time of it.

So, I guess that's alright. I mean, what's he going to do? Show up and go, what's going on? They're left and he's like okay well i'm still mad about it i'll be over here you're dropping your fingers yeah yeah wonder woman poses as a white enterprise employee um that was good that was a good visual gag that everybody at home missed except for me. I don't always do it for the audience. That's true. Wonder Woman poses as a Wayne Enterprise investor to retrieve an item that belongs to her people.

Maybe like a, I don't know, a hair curling iron? Steady on, mate. I know. I really like Wonder Woman. I wish I didn't say that. Yeah. But I'm not going to edit it out. No, don't do it.

Because I'm true to who I am. You want to look like a real prick. Yeah. Lex Luthor is in the shadows a lot. I'm presuming literally and figuratively. Did I say those words right? Yes. Good.

He doesn't have much face time with Superman. As in the app. The iPhone app. Exactly. Robin apparently betrayed Batman at at some point leading to a falling out between the two uh-huh yeah that's why he's nightwing maybe that's why he's nightwing but isn't it the other way around where like nightwing leaves because he's like i had enough of your bullshit batman they keep they keep retconning it yeah it goes back and forth i

really like nightwing yeah he's like bat Batman but fun That's true Yeah Great hair Yeah great hair The Batcave 1970s disco collar Yeah that's what you love Yeah The Batcave You know what I love in comic books

And I've always loved it The pictures The pictures The pictures and the fun stories But also Like anytime somebody like Changes their look Or their attitude

Or their costume or whatever Or they change And it's always like Get ready world Cause here comes nightwing and then then then in the speech bubble it's nightwing is said in like the nightwing font yeah i love a bit of that and the costume reflects the time yeah very much great i hope i wish they did it that in every issue of every comic oh imagine because you don't ever see batman or superman doing that either do you they'll be like hey robin come and go on this, stop this crime boss.

And he's like, Robin doesn't exist anymore. Robin's, he's retired or something. It's time for Nightwing. Popped collar. Popped collar. Popped disco collar. The Batcave is apparently super cool looking. And the mobile looks similar to Burton's.

I don't know what that means. Do you mean the mobile? It says mobile. M-O-B-I-L-E. I don't know what that means. Do you mean the mobile? It says mobile. M-O-B-I-L-E. Is there an apostrophe? Nah. I think it means Batmobile. I think you've copied and pasted incorrectly somehow.

Yeah, I'd say that would be the case, yeah. I mean, that's the classic Batman. People love that Batmobile. Yes. It's a bit impractical, though. It's really, really long. It's very long. I think there's other designs you can do something else.

But it does have that weird hoist thing in the middle of it. Oh, yeah. It lifts it up and turns it around. It does, too. It's got that shield system where you start it up and it turns into a weird gothic castle. A weird stop motion shield that spins over. Yeah. I think the Tumbler's great for its time.

Whatever. That's great for its time. There are a lot of other really interesting Batmobile designs. Batm time. Whatever. That's great for its time. There are a lot of other really interesting Batmobile designs. Batmobile, sorry. Thank you. Which could be used. I think so.

But hey, what do I know? I do like the classic one with the... Anything with the wings. Anything Bat-themed. Yeah, sure. Tumbler's too generic. Yeah, you're right. In the... What is it?

In that Icom Origins, he's building the Batmobile In that But he's got the jet Yeah that's interesting Isn't it What a shit game Yeah That's alright It's pretty good

We did an episode on it We did Episode 13 Or 18 Or 4 5 I think it was 5 Check it out

Yeah please do I bet you Oh I'm not going to I know I don't listen to the episode I'm not even really listening now You know It's got to the point It pains me Because you oh I'm not going to I know I don't listen to the episode I'm not even really listening now you know

it's got to the point it pains me because you know I edit these I'm so sick of my voice do you edit these yeah I edit them

because I have to I take out the white noise and whatever and you know if I have to get up to pull a curtain down I'll take that out that'd never happen though

no so yeah Lois is investigating Lex anyway were you going to say that you're sick of the sound of it? I'm sick of it. Yeah. I'm fucking sick of it. Yeah.

So I don't know how anybody else is listening. And then I have to take a very specific clip and put pictures to it and put on my YouTube channel. And that takes a very long time. And I have to listen to that same five or six minutes about a hundred times. And then you put it up and you're very proud. And then somebody puts it on a cover and it's like, why don't you kill yourself? And you're like,

oh, no. My labour of love. That's how it goes. Lois Lane is investigating Lex, which makes sense, I guess. She is a keen reporter. She's got that hat with the press pass in it. She sure does.

Metallo. Did I say that right? No. Mobile. Yes. Metallo. Yep. K that right? No. Mobile. Yes. Metallo. Yep. Kills Clark.

What does that mean? Well, it says inverted commas. Kills. What does that mean? Well, I'm assuming, like, he thinks he kills him. Oh, okay. And the Daily Planet

is bought by Lex Luthor for PR purposes. PR purposes. I bet that sounded good on the microphone. PR purposes. And at the end, Superman is living in exile And the Justice League is a government approved superhero team Is he on the Justice League?

Marv doesn't say Yes or no Because I want all the information before I go into the film I want every single piece of information So nothing is a surprise And I've ruined it for myself Good I think you

know what I'd like to say yes I'd like to say if he's on the Justice League but he's not around for the first part and doomsday comes in and it's like kicking

heads and because no one else can really fight doomsday except Superman that's true well there's a few others I'm sure maybe um the flash would last a couple

of seconds maybe Batman in that fancy new silver suit just dazzling with that really looks yeah and then Superman comes in and has to deal with Flash would last a couple of seconds. Maybe Batman in that fancy new silver suit. Just dazzle him with how good he looks. And then Superman comes in and has to deal with it. Love it. I think that would be cool. But anyway, who knows. So there you go. There's all those

Superman, Batman rumours for this week. That only took about 45 hours. Great. Well, I look forward to another 45 hours next week. Quentin Tarantino. You're familiar with his work? Yes. He's made movies? Yes.

What's your least favourite Tarantino movie? Least favourite? Yeah, it is Death Proof. Yeah. That goes for so long. Yeah. Were you going to say another one? No, it's definitely Death Proof.

You've got my number there. I'm going to say that the Kill Bill movies aren't that good. Wow, you're going to get flack. I like no flack. Who's to say? I mean, they're fine, but flack. Or no flack. Who's to say? I mean, they're fine, but I think two's much better than one. It's just, I don't know, it's not really my thing.

Two's more interesting because it's got more interesting kind of conversation and story development. One's just a lot of chopping, which is good. But it gets to a point where it's like, this is a lot of chopping. We've had enough chopping. Come on, Quentin. Anyway, he's canned The Hateful Eight. He was making a movie called The Hateful Eight. It was another Western.

Oh, and then the script got leaked. Because it leaked. He gave it to a handful of people. One of them was Michael Marsden. Madston. Madsdon. Madson. Madson.

Metallo. Keep giving me options. There we go. And a few other people. Michael Metallo-mobile. He hasn't said who or who he thinks it is. He says it might have been an agent of somebody he gave it to, but he only gave it to six people and it somehow leaked.

It's whoever is not cast in the next one. Yeah, you're probably right. Madsen is not involved in the next one. It's him. So he's just shut it down. He's gone, no, I'm not doing it. Which I think is amazing because I'm sure, you know what, everybody involved in that would be so annoyed

because you leaked it thinking, oh, this is pretty great. I'm going to leak this on the internet or whatever or show people and it leaks and then he's just shut the whole thing down that's a lesson it's probably your

mate Nailbiter 111 or whoever it is probably was yeah he's always inside saucer yeah

you know he's got a few movies that haven't been made Killer Crow was one about African American soldiers in World War 2

which he's probably not going to make Kill Bill 3 he's probably not going to make he's been talking about it for a while. Well, everybody's hearts got exploded.

Yeah, well, that's right. By that, so who's... Well, the story was, do you remember, she goes into the woman's house, I think it's at the start of the second one, and her name's Vicka A. Fox, is that her name? Vivica A. Fox, yeah, yeah. Vivica A. Fox, yeah. I'm not doing well this week, am I? Not at all.

You're not good with words or names. It's all right, this isn't an audio medium, so words or names. It's alright, this isn't an audio medium so it's fine. It's fine, it doesn't matter. She kills, she kills her, whose name I'm not going to say,

but her daughter's there. Oh, revenge. And she's like, come and see me in 20 years. Double revenge. Yeah, double revenge. So that's probably, I mean,

so you could still do it in, when did that come out? 2003? Yeah. Why not? Yeah, so, you know. So are these, these other Quentin Tarantino

projects, has he written the scripts for these? I'm not, I don't think so. I think Killer Crow why not so these other Quentin Tarantino projects has he written the scripts for these I don't think so I think Killer Crow probably got a bit far along but the Hateful Eight

is going to become a book he's like I want to publish this as a book and he's like I've got ten other ideas in my head

my giant head because I have a giant light bulb head and he's going to move on interesting yeah they may want to

proofread that book though before it goes out suppose isn't Inglourious Bastards called Inglglourious Basterds with those spelling mistakes, because that's... Oh, because he made that spelling mistake? Yeah, he made two spelling mistakes in two words.

Really? In the... I did not know that. Apparently. Apparently spelling's atrocious. That's all right. My spelling's not great. How's yours?

It's great. It's the best spelling in this room. Tell you what. I believe that. Another one was the Vega Brothers film he's been talking about making. You know, because John Travolta and Michael Madsen, they're brothers. One's in Pulp Fiction, one's in Reservoir Dogs. Both killed.

But there's going to be a prequel movie where they hang out. But they're both far too old. They really are. I think I've established this before. I hate John Travolta. You do hate him, yes. Because he's had too many chances. I think I've said this before.

I'm going to say it again. Big star in the 70s with Grease and Saturday Night Fever. Then he pissed it away for years. Uh-huh. Doing Look Who's Talking Now and whatever. Quentin Tarantino's like, you're a great guy. Remember when you were cool, Travolta? Let's make you cool again.

And yeah, Pulp Fiction. And he's amazing in Pulp Fiction because I do think he's a good actor. Uh-huh. Then he's just pissed it away again. Get Shorty's pretty good. Yep. Be Cool I have not

seen but looks like the worst fucking movie ever made. Every Travolta movie is pretty much garbage. Old dogs, wild hogs, just a

string of Wild dogs? That one where he's attacked by wild dogs? Just a string of crap and he doesn't deserve another chance.

That's true. Yeah. I think true. Yeah. I think you're right. Also, I feel it's Wolverine X-Men Origins Syndrome where

the adventures that the Vega brothers had prior to Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, whatever you imagine is probably better than what would come out on screen.

Absolutely. I'm sure, I enjoyed Quentin Tarantino films very much but just imagining them having crazy crime-based adventures back in the day. Yeah.

Whatever comes on screen, you'd be like, oh yeah, it's fine, I guess. And it's like Machete as well. I haven't seen those, but I'd imagine... I think those trailers are more amusing than the actual movies, I'd imagine. I'd say so, yeah. I mean, because I see the trailers,

I'm like, that looks... that's fun. But I'm like, I don't want to sit through a movie of that. Absolutely not. Yeah. I just want to quickly, before we move on, Mason. Yes. Thank everyone for the iTunes rankings. I've got a new goal.

Do you know what my goal is? What is that? I want to be really good at shooting. Crossfit. Crossfit, that's right. Maybe moving a big tire. Yep. Getting on a rope and climbing a rope.

Tough mudder. Yeah. All those things. What is your actual goal? My actual goal is I want to get up the top of iTunes in the, like, what is it? The featured. I want to be featured, Mason. In the most egotistical section.

Exactly. That's what you're shooting for, mate. You're going to get there. I'll tell you what. Because I have zero goals in life. Great. Just drift. Just drift through

Do whatever Nothing matters Just go to a town Fight some crime Exactly Move on Use your judo So I want this

I want this to be the goal I want to get this Because I need something To work towards Otherwise There's no point To anything for me Fantastic

I'll just die alone I mean I'll die alone anyway But I'll die alone Once being featured on iTunes Are you with me? Yes I mean, I'll die alone anyway, but I'll die alone once being featured on iTunes. Are you with me? Yes. Listeners, I feel that I should support him in this endeavour because otherwise something bad might happen.

It's lucky he can't hear this because it's in my low voice. Yes, James. I'm on board. Let's do this, mate. Here we go. Do whatever that thing you said was. We've got so many good stars and reviews that have went about. I just, and I really appreciate it.

I want to keep that going, hopefully. Selfish, yes. I know stars and reviews and anything don't matter because we get amazing downloads anyway. We get amazing correspondence. This is completely irrelevant whether we get this or not because the show's going really well. That being said, it's something I've decided I want for no reason. Great.

And I'll probably change my mind next week. So, yeah. So, next week you'll be like, I don't want the limelight. I don't want any of this. I'm going to sit in a room with a paper bag in my head that says, I don't have a podcast on iTunes anymore. And then people can hit me with Transformers toys or whatever.

I'm a whore. Whatever's happening there. So, yeah. Review or don't, I guess my point is. I'm already kind of lukewarm on it already. Now that I've calmed down. My mind is broken. Evidently, yes.

Well, look, in the spirit of things moving into development hell, like the Hateful Eight, like the Vega Brothers film, like the Vengaboys, like all those things. Oh, the Veng Boys films, sure. I thought we could talk about some films that have been stuck in development hell. Oh, okay. For years. Yes. There's a long list, Mason.

I've picked a few notable ones. Some comic book movie, some not. Some regular movie. Some regular movie. I don't know if I'm qualified to talk about regular movie, but all right. I'm going to start with probably most Probably one of the most famous ones Can you guess what it is? No

Ghostbusters 3 Oh I can't believe you of all people The biggest Ghostbusters 2 fan It's not true It's not true Ghostbusters 2 is good I don't care what anyone says

It's good That's a good movie Yeah You're a dickhead if you don't like it, Mason. Okay, fine. Do you like it? No, I do. It's good. You're a... Oh, yeah. Good. Scaleri Brothers. You know? Absolutely. Yeah, I remember things from it.

Now, there was an unofficial... I mean, they did really kind of attempt to... We needed, you know, we need a giant thing at the end. Yeah. So, let's make the Skate 2 of Liberty movie. I mean, that's fun. With a Nintendo controller. Oh, yeah. Sign of the times. There you go.

There was a Ghostbusters 3 kind of unofficially. That Ghostbusters video game. That's true, yeah. Did you ever play that game? No. Was it good? Apparently it was good for like a Ghostbusters-ish game. Great.

And it was kind of a third-person shooter kind of thing. I never played it. And I won't now because it's got past that point. If a game's older than three months old, I'll never play it. Nice. Never go back. That's my rule. Exactly. Never go back. That's my rule. Exactly.

Never go back. All the voice cast back. Bill Murray and all. Oh. And you play as a new Ghostbuster. And I think that guy doesn't talk and everyone just talks around him. Chad Buster. Chad Buster.

All my fake characters are called Chad. Yeah, I know, right? Or Jake. Or Jake. Jake Chisel. So the Ghostbuster video game, that was sort of the unofficial third movie. But there's been a movie trying to get off the ground since the early 90s, since Ghostbusters 2 came out.

And it's a case of people ultimately wanting to be in the movie but then not be in the movie. Then they're out all of a sudden inexplicably and then the script isn't ready. But then it is ready and then people read the script and then they're on board and then somebody's out because of the script again for some reason. Yeah, you're exactly right.

That's how this whole thing reads. I've very briefly written the process. Great. It's not that interesting. Okay. Folks get ready to make a mind map. So basically Dan Aykroyd wrote a script in the 90s where they're transported to an alternative version of Manhattan

called Manhattan. Hell. Oh, I get it. I get it now. And they meet the devil and it features younger actors and with older actors

in the background and Venkman is gone until a cameo at the end. Okay. Now, this was reviewed on one website. I can't remember which one. Might have been IGN

or Ain't It Cool or comicbookmovie.com. That's one of the best ones. Yes, it is. And apparently all... The official website of this podcast. Apparently, though, all the characters are in it.

The younger characters are completely interchangeable. And the only thing that's interesting is the Bill Murray kind of cameo at the end. Okay. So there you go. In 2004, we're going to skip ahead a bit. Okay. Murray said he was still not interested in it and he despised sequels despite being in Garfield 2

A Tale of Two Kitties Right, precisely Although it's possible they just they just got his performance from Garfield 2 by taking audio snippets from all his other films and putting them together You're right, that's exactly it Again, they're talking about younger actors involved

That's why he's always talking about Steve Zissou he is isn't he yeah so younger actors again one of the names rumoured was Ben Stiller

but it's got to a point now where Ben Stiller is not younger as this movie has been going for that long Ben Stiller

has aged horribly he's alright good on him Walter Mitty but then he was in that film what was it

The Crew or something The Crew wasn't he in that what's The Crew it was like Richard it was Joni Joni Hill was in it oh The Watch was it? The Crew? Or something? The Crew. Wasn't he in that? What's The Crew? It was like a... Richard... It was...

Joni... Joni Hill was in it? Oh, The Watch. The Watch. Yeah, yeah, you're right. That's very Ghostbusters. Yeah. That's not as bad as people say.

It's not brilliant. It's fine. Okay. People are like, It's the worst comedy! It's the worst comedy! Incorrect. Wild Dogs is.

That's right. Where John Travolta's attacked by wild dogs. No, Old Dogs is worse than Wild Dogs. Oh, wait. That's your made-up one, isn't it? That's my made-up one. Okay, cool. But I think it's a testament to the quality of the films he picks

that I could make up a film where John Travolta is just attacked by wild dogs for two hours and you'd believe it. That's it. Maui also said in 2010 that he'll only do it... Wait, what happened to that intervening six years? It's just a bunch of crap. All that stuff you said at the start about this,

that's what happened. He'll only do it if his character was killed off in the first reel. Yep. But he also teased. He was kind of teasing. He was back and forth with the yes and no. And he actually accepted an award for Zombieland in the Ghostbusters outfit. Oh, right.

Okay. And then he's like, oh, no, this is just unrelated. I just didn't have anything clean to wear. Uh-huh. So people came out, people were like, oh my God, it's happening. Then he's like,

nah, calm down. Was that an MTV award? Something like that, yeah. Might have been, yeah, or some European thing.

Some weird European thing. Ugh, don't give a that. Dan, I quite mentioned the name Matthew Gray Goobler. Yeah, from Criminal Minds.

As being involved in it. He's like, I want that guy Interesting What do you want That guy You know what I hate About that guy

What's that It's not from his Smug skeletal face Yes I don't watch that show I've heard it's okay But he's like He's the nerd guy in it

The very handsome Nerd guy He's so handsome You know I mean Is he But is he a guy Who we'd be like

You get a young actor You get someone up and coming Do you go for Matthew Gray Goobler Gubbler No I don't think you do No I think you go for

Who's left I don't even know anymore Well there's John Hodgman Was also hinted at But John Hodgman Came and said that That was a joke

He's one of those Young fresh faces Yes I love John Hodgman That would be great Yeah In 2012 Skip forward two years If you will Mason

Come with me on this journey I'm ready. Ackroyd said that Murray would not return and they need his permission to recast him or use him as a CGI ghost, aka Return of the Jedi, aka young Anakin Skywalker. Great.

Who are the ghosts in Ghostbusters? Well, yeah. Because some of them are... What's Slimer? Some of them are dead people, but some of them are horrific hell dimensions of Slimers. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. It's a bit vague, isn't it? It is a bit vague. Apparently the original script for Ghostbusters was a lot weirder. Yeah. Like, it was much more sort of horror themed. Yeah. It was more like lots of parallel universes and, you know, like the scene at the end with

the pyramid on top of the building and the parallel dimension, it was all kind of that. Yeah, okay, the whole way through. There's a lot of travelling through parallel dimensions. That would have spun people out of their knees. Yeah, a lot of crystal skulls filled with vodka. Num, num, num. That sounds like Howard the Duck, the movie.

A lot of parallel dimensions in that. Or maybe just one or two egg-shaped earths. Oh, right, yes. Continue. Sorry. Now, Reitman's saying who's probably going to be directing it. You know Reitman. He's fantastic.

He's genius. Yeah. Could be a remake now. And it just goes on and on. And it's left open for Murray to change his mind if he wants to. Has it got to the point? Let's do a rating system for this. Uh-huh.

Fuck off. Completely fuck off. Or, yeah, let's see this. Yeah, let's see this. Yeah, this fuck off completely fuck off or yeah let's see this yeah let's see this yeah you're still keen yep alright still keen

yeah yeah I you know what Ghostbusters is still there yeah that was a good film remake reboot who cares okay

first one still holds up so it does and the second one your favourite one yep wait no Deadpool yep okay this has been going on for a while how long has that been in development It does. And the second one, your favourite one. Yep. Wait, no!

Deadpool. Yep, okay. This has been going on for a while. How long has that been in development? Pretty much since before Wolverine Origins or around that time. Since Blade 3. Since Ryan Reynolds appeared. You might be right. You're right, actually, yeah.

As an action star, you can say a joke while swinging a sword. People have been like, oh, it's Deadpool. But you notice they've never really kind of done that well, though. He can do it, but they've never kind of utilised it really well. That's true. That idea was pretty much killed in Wolverine Origins, or initially.

They were still talking about it, but then that really kind of, that was the big thing that put the brakes on that. Right, yeah. Ryan Reynolds is still attached. A VFX artist, Tim Miller, was hired to direct it in 2013.

That was after the whole back and forth for years. And are they going to make it? Blah, blah, blah. And whatever. I don't know any of his work. I think it was going to be his debut. Okay. His debut.

His Metallo. His Metallo, yes. Now, originally it was going to be PG-13. No, bad sign. Possibly changed to R. But you know what I think they should do? Yes. If they do do it.

Do what they do with Wolverine Origin. Not Wolverine Origin, that's the worst. The Wolverine? The Wolverine Origin. The Wolverine. Yeah, where... What is it? You do your PG-13 cut,

and then you R-rate it when you release it on DVD. Yeah, okay. That's how you make your money, and that's how you make everybody happy. Because otherwise, if you release an... Generally, R-rated comic book movies don't do well. Because you can't get everybody. Because you can't get the kids.

You can't get the action figures. Can't get the lunchboxes. Can't. Yeah. Now, apparently, there's going to be a lot of him breaking the fourth wall, you know, as Deadpool often does in the comics. That might get annoying after a while. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Now, both Ryan Reynolds and the new director said in October 2013 in the comics. That might get annoying after a while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now both Ryan Reynolds and the new director said in October 2013 that it was close to being greenlit and that's the last thing

we've really heard. Do you think it'll happen? Well, Fox are building the X-Men universe and in addition to that the X-Force movie is moving forward. Uh-huh.

Jeff Wadlow will write. He did Kick-Ass 2 and I think Never Back Down or one of those movies that's like that. Oh will write. He did Kick-Ass 2 and I think Never Back Down or one of those movies that's like that. He'll possibly direct and Cable will appear in the X-Force one as well. So we might see X-Force before we see

the other one. I'm still on board. Still on board? Yes. Alright. That's two for two. That is two for two. We're doing really well. Do you like Deadpool? In small doses sure. Yeah. I think if you

get you know 50 issues of his comic and you read them back for back it's a little much. Yeah.

It's a little too self-referential. Yeah. I've heard the game is not good. It's a Deadpool game.

The same guys who did the Transformers War for Cybertron games. Right. Apparently the

character is really good and well done in it. He's all aware that he's in a video game or whatever but it's just a very kind of bland, generic...

I've heard that also, yeah. But if you're not on board with having, you know, fun with the conventions of a video game... I'm not. Oh, well then you won't enjoy it. So there we go. Hellboy 3. This one's been back and forth for years.

It was delayed initially for a number of reasons. One of them was because Gilmero Del Toro was doing The Hobbit. I would have liked to see his version of The Hobbit. Have you been watching the new Hobbit movies? I haven't seen either of them yet. You know. See, on one hand

I think it's good that they've got The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. Same director. Same universe. It's a continuous style. It's kept the same. But yeah, maybe you're right. It would be a little bit crazy.

Also, it's a different era. It is a different era, exactly. And it also seems to me... First of all, it's obviously been stretched out into three films when it didn't need to be. There's a whole lot of excess kind of stuff. I haven't read The Hobbit. Purposely, I remember not reading it

because I wanted to see the cinematic interpretation the same thing for Lord of the Rings, I started reading it and I'm like this is really painful there's too much singing, there's way too much singing there's too much walking and singing I enjoy the movies more than I did what I read of the book, but The Hobbit just goes

forever and it's also, ever since Return of the King especially the end,, ever since Return of the King, especially the end, you know the Return of the King, it ends, it ends in that ending. It ends in that ending.

Which apparently the book does as well. Like half of, well not half, but a big chunk of that book is just, what happened afterwards and Sam went back to the Shire and then,

blah, and there was a battle. He started up a small business. Business went bust. His wife left him. Exactly. But then he started another small business. He got a. His wife left him. Exactly. But then he started another small business. He got a small business loan.

And then... I don't know. Yeah. So, yeah. That's what I think about The Hobbit. And, no, sorry. So, basically, Peter Jackson has been given free reign. Uh-huh.

Which is why King Kong is what it is. Right. Which is why The Hobbit and The Hobbit Part 2 go forever. They've just said, hey, do whatever you want. Do whatever you want, yeah. Because they make money regardless. Now, Ron Perlman has said

he'd love to do it, but it says it's very physically demanding on him because he's 60 plus now, isn't he? Yeah, he is, yeah. And so it's pretty taxing for him to wear those prosthetics

and jump around, jump around, get up, get up, get down. Jump, jump. I get it. That's good. And it's just got... Look look i think it's one of those things i would love to see it i don't think it's going to happen yeah i think you they cost a lot

of money but most people don't know who he is unfortunately that's true but they're such good movies yeah i really enjoy them maybe they could do a bprd movie what's that the bureau of paranormal research okay yeah and they can have you know a lot of sort of side characters from Hellboy. Yeah. And then Hellboy in like more of a cameo role. Yep, sure. And then he wouldn't have to wear the prosthetics for 12 hours a day or whatever. Fair point.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And those paranormal investigation movies work really well. R.I.P.D. Oh no, you're right! What was I thinking? No, no, that could totally work. I'm doing it from the start. That could totally work. Because it's such a great, it's right. What was I thinking? No, no, that could totally work. I'm doing it from the start. That could totally work

because it's such a great, it's such an interesting world that he's made and whatever, whatever. I mean, I didn't love Pacific Rim. I would have much preferred to see another Hellboy. Hellboy, right, yeah. And Pacific Rim's fine, whatever.

Like it or don't. It is exactly what it is and for that, it succeeds in that way but that's not really something that I'm that wrapped in. Good on it, whatever. But Gilmero has also said

that it might take a comic form but oh you mean like the Hellboy comics like the Hellboy comics but Mike Mignola who the Hellboy

creator or whatever he's vetoed that he's like no not happening so there you go what do you think see it or

I want to see it yeah me too three for three I'm going to say out of these three I want to see just really Hellboy I could. Three for three. I'm going to say out of these three, I want to see Just Really Hellboy. I could take or leave the other ones. No, that's fair. Yeah.

Masters... We've all got different preferences of things. We sure do, Mason. That's what makes the world an amazing place. Australian Day. Australian Day. Whatever day that is. It is the 26th. Yes! I'm such an idiot. You really... Oh, God. You know why? Because I absorb myself in all this comic book nonsense now.

I used to do other things. I used to watch the news. I have no idea what's happening in the world now. Ask me what's happening in the world. What's happening in the world, James? Dunno. Wow. You really don't have any knowledge of the outside world.

You've proven it just then. Masters of the Universe. Okay, I had no idea about that one. Yeah, yeah. Well, He-Man, Masters of the Universe, whatever had no idea about that one yeah yeah well He-Man Masters of the Universe whatever you want to call it

now there was originally going to be a sequel to the 1987 original and those we've talked about this before

the sets from that movie and the Spider-Man movie which they were going to make went into Cyborg

there you go yeah I think we spoke about that before things kind of sat on the shelf for a while He-Man came back in the early 2000s in a new cartoon.

Remember when we sat down and watched the entire first season of He-Man? Yes. The cartoon. From the 80s, sure, yeah. Pretty, uh... It's pretty rough. It's really, uh... It's a really, uh...

You're not watching it to enjoy it. No. You're enduring it. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Yeah. It's pretty amusing, but I think at some point it broke our brains. When... Many years prior to this... Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's pretty amusing, but I think at some point it broke our brains. Many years prior to this, we were going to do a podcast,

like right at the advent of podcasting. But we didn't really understand how any of it worked. No, and we still don't. And we still don't, as evidenced by the wildly fluctuating audio quality and wildly fluctuating content quality. But we were going to do a podcast called Never Look Back. That's right, we were. And we were going to go through various pop culture things and just inevitably come to the conclusion of never go back to that.

But then, of course, the angry video game nerd and the nostalgia chick and all that have done it. All that happened, that's exactly right. I had a thought about it. I noticed you didn't say nostalgia critic then. You said nostalgia chick. Some people do it better. Anyway, no, because I had this thought. I wish you didn't say Nostalgia Critic then. You said Nostalgia Chick. Some people do it better. Anyway.

No, because I had this thought. Do you want to hear an odd thought? Do I ever. Because in the Transformers cartoon, it's slightly different from the movies. Like when the Transformers live on Cybertron and they transform from like a robot to like a space shuttle or like a hover car. Some sort of spacey kind of futuristic thing. Yep. to like a space shuttle or like a hover car, some sort of spacey kind of futuristic thing. Yeah. And then they're all on this spaceship and it crash lands on Earth

and they're all knocked offline. And while they're under, while they're unconscious, the ship's computer, in order to help them blend in to like Earth society, rebuilds them all. So they transform from robots to like cars or trucks or jet planes or whatever. Which is fun when you're a kid

and you're like, oh, this is a robot. It transforms into a car, a plane. This is fun when you're a kid and you're like, oh, this is a robot, it transforms into a car, a plane, this is the best, right? But when you think about it, they're all like, every Transformer is like a sentient artificial intelligence. Yes. And that chip's computer didn't really ask him. Didn't really ask him if that's something they would like to do.

Just did it. It would be, it's a bit like, in in fact it's exactly like if you went on vacation and you got on a cruise ship right and you're having fun you're out there playing shuffleboard on the Lido

I'm having a mojito yeah I don't know what any of those terms mean but yes and then like the ship hit an iceberg and it sank

and then you woke up in a hospital and the ship's captain was there and he was like hey listen while you were out, here's the thing. I thought it might be better if we perform gender reassignment surgery on you.

And you're like, what? And he's like, yeah, because Earth's population is 51% women. So I thought it'd help you blend in better. And you're like, no. And he's like, I'm the captain. And you're like, well, fair enough. You got captain and you're like well fair enough you got me yeah that's very true yeah yeah i mean it's it's a bit silly and it not what which your scenario the whole thing the whole thing yes the whole thing's a bit silly mate you're absolutely right so don't go back that's my don't go back maybe we should do with that maybe we'll start that podcast well we had another idea

for a podcast which was called James and Mason Hate Everything. That's right. But I don't hate everything anymore. No. I just hate most things. You're right. Yeah. You're absolutely right.

Well, maybe we'll do like a spinoff podcast at some point. Maybe not. Maybe like a monthly thing or something. Do you really want to invest that time? Yeah, sure. Why not? All right, let's do it. We're not actually going to do it.

We're never going to do it. But nobody can steal that idea because that's ours from 2004 we've mailed it to ourselves Shia LaBeouf style yeah

I would like to do that though yeah but I don't want to watch all Transformers put a pin in that no absolutely don't do it so basically

John Woo was rumoured to be developing it in 2007 this is Master of the Universe by the way we're back it was never greenlit the right John Woo interesting yeah John It was never greenlit. The right scene.

John Woo, interesting. Yeah. John Woo was a director at one point that people were interested in. Oh, yeah. Do you remember? Yeah. No, but I mean, he was more... When I think John Woo, I think...

You think Doves. I think Doves. I think Mission Impossible 2, certainly. But I think very grounded and earthy. But maybe... Did he do more kind of fantasy stuff? No. Like back in Hong Kong cinema?

No. No, he mostly did crime kind of... Yeah, all kind of stuff....shootout-y kind of fantasy stuff like back in Hong Kong cinema no no he mostly did like crime kind of shoot out kind of things interesting okay make of that what you will Mason the rights

the rights have been reverted back to Mattel then John Mattalo they reverted back to Mattalo yeah the super villain

the super villain John M Chu the director he's done some of the step up films G.I. Joe Retaliation, and both of the Justin Bieber films. All my favourites, sure. All your favourites.

He's set to direct now. Well, was set to direct. That was an ongoing kind of thing. He's not the worst filmmaker. Well, you did say Step Up. I did. I mean, G.I. Joe's not good, is it? No.

I mean, but it is what it is. Do you really want to watch a Masters of the Universe film that is what it is? No. Yeah, exactly. Well, to be honest, I don't really want to watch a Masters of the... There's one from the 80s and it's great, sort of. Yeah, that's true, yeah. Yeah, anyway.

He dropped out. New screenwriter was on board called Terry Rossio. Now, he wrote, get ready for this, All the Pirates of the Caribbean films. Great. They're all your favourites, though, aren't they? Correct. You couldn't pick one.

The Lone Ranger. Okay. Deja Vu. Which one's that again? Oh, with the Denzel Washington. Denzel Washington, where he's in time, or he's not in time. Or he's clairvoyant, or somebody's clairvoyant,

or it's time travel. Yeah. Space, I don't know. That movie's not good. No. National Treasure. Just the first one. And movie's not good. No. National Treasure. Just the first one. And National Treasure Book of Secrets.

Thank you. Godzilla 1998. Ugh. Ants with a Z. Ugh. Ants. Ants. And this one I actually love, Treasure Planet.

Because I think I've said this before, I love Treasure Planet. Treasure Planet's a good movie. Alright, but I mean, that's one hit out of however many you said. I liked the first Pirates film. Yeah, the first one's alright. And National Treasure had somebody stealing the Declaration of Independence. It did. And it's one of Nicolas Cage's best wigs, also.

That's probably true, yeah. And it does feature an extended scene in like an Urban Outfitters or something like that. What? Where they have to change, like, oh, we've got to get out of here, we've got to change our outfits. So they go into Urban Outfitters, they're like Gap or something. And they're like, look at all these prices! Yeah, they have to change. Like, oh, we've got to get out of here. We've got to change our outfits. So they go into Urban Outfitters. It's all a gap or something. And they're like, look at all these prices. Yeah, they're great.

So there's no director at the moment, even though he's writing it. But there are some rumoured directors. Joe Cornish. He did Attack the Block. Okay, yep. Rian Johnson. Rian Johnson. Bryan Adams.

Yep. The guy who did your favourite movie, Looper. No. Incorrect. Andy Muschietti? Muschietti? He did Mama? What?

Mama? It's a horror movie. Came out this year. Last year. The musical. Yeah, Mama Mia. Yeah. The horror is Pierce Brosnan singing.

And the guys who made The Croods, there are a duo of directors, and the guys who did 21 Jump Street, who were also a duo of directors. Those are the names that have been floated. Are you interested in Master of the Universe? Can they do it without Chris Hemsworth? Because there's nobody else who kind of fits it. That's a really good point, actually.

Who's high profile enough. They can get back Woody Allen, because he was in Ants. You sure? They'll have that link. He could be Orko. Yeah. No.

I don't want to say it. Fair enough. There's too many misses there. Yeah. Yeah. The problem with the... They're too Disney-fko. Yeah. No. I don't want to say it. I don't want to say it. Fair enough. Alright. There's too many misses there. Yeah. Yeah. The problem with the... They're too Disney-fied. Yeah.

I want it to be a little bit weird. Yeah. Well, you've got to set the whole thing in Eternia, though, as well, which I'm assuming costs a lot of money. They're just filming in the desert. You remember in that He-Man TV series, though, there's like eight people in that world. Right, right. You only ever see the same eight people.

That's true. You don't even see big crowd shots. It's just like, yeah, we rule eight people. That's true. You don't even see big crowd shots. It's just like, yeah, we rule this kingdom. That's true. But you never see anybody. It's just He-Man and his dad. Well, nine people if you count Adam and He-Man. Right.

People assume they're two different people. Yeah. But it's the most barren, just bland. There's maybe like a twisted tree every now and then. That's true, yeah. And that's it. Yeah. Although there is an episode where He-Man goes to visit the then. That's true, yeah. And that's it. And it's just... Although there is an episode where a He-Man goes to visit the Navy.

That's right. And it's all, like, mustachioed men in belly shirts. Yeah. Like, all identical men. That's it, yeah. It's bizarre. That was really great. But that's the 80s.

Very tight outfits. Yes. Yeah. So there you go. Get rid of it. Not on board. Not on board. Next one is Sandman.

Okay. Now, this is... Can you... Before we start board. Not on board. Next one is Sandman. Okay. Before we start this, I've gone to read up on Sandman. I've never read any Sandman. I'm just looking. I'm like, even looking at the Wikipedia page, I'm like, I don't even know where to start with this. Can you give me a rough kind of breakdown of what's going on there? Well, there's a group of beings called the Endless. Yep.

And they've got like they sort of represent aspects of the universe they're not gods so much but they're sort of they're sort of omnipotent okay but so there's like

there's like Death yeah who's like a like a cute gothy girl ooh and there's like Dream who's Morpheus

who is the Sandman of the title okay and he represents dreams. Right. And he's in sort of those crazy adventures. Is he immortal and such? Yes.

So he's lived multiple millennia and... Oh, for ages. He's endless, mate. He's endless. And he spends most of his time on Earth? Or a lot of it? No, just sort of in between. Again, it's all quite vague.

What's his deal? Does he help? Does he hinder? Does his favourite band hinder? Yeah, it's all quite vague. What's his deal? Does he help? Does he hinder? Sometimes. Does his favourite band hinder? Yeah, his favourite band hinder. Well, see, I got to Sandman really, really late. I was a fan of superhero comic books,

the DC superhero comic books. Yeah. And then many years later, I went back to Sandman. And during the sort of the 80s and 90s the Vertigo universe and the DC universe crossed over a lot

and so I in reading Sandman I would I would see the events you'd see the events from the other side like

there's a there's a Sandman plotline where Lucifer gives up the keys to hell because he doesn't want to deal with it anymore so he gives them to

Morpheus and all these people all these beings from throughout the universe come to the Sandman to sort of bid for the keys to hell because everybody wants hell for a variety of reasons and Odin, the DC Universe version of Odin

arrives with he offers him a gift and in the gift it's like this tiny little pocket universe in a crystal globe, and it's got all these little superheroes floating around in it. Yeah. It's, what is it, Valhalla? Oh, okay.

It's kind of the, but on the other side, when I was a kid, there was a storyline called The Last Days of the Justice Society, where the Justice Society saved the world from going into Valhalla by going to this pocket dimension and giving up their lives. And that's where they ended up. Oh, okay. I never twigged. They just disappeared out of the DC Universe for decades. That's amazing. I know, right?

Pretty good. And there's a lot of crossover. The Vertigo Sandman, they retconned it so he would appear in the dreams of the 1930s Sandman, sort of the masked crime fighter Sandman. Oh, okay. And they sort of crossed over and had adventures sort of thing, yeah. Has it ever crossed over to the Sandman from the Spider-Man universe? Never.

Oh, that's Sandman. You goose. I know. Well, that's cool. That sounds really good. You should get into it. Check it out. It's a bit metaphysical. You should get into it. Check it out. It's a bit metaphysical, but have fun with it.

Metaphysical. Is that a new word? No. Okay. It's been around for a while. But it's been on the cards since the mid-90s, this movie. Okay. Around that.

I think that's probably a bad sign. Yeah, I know. Well, the original version... Although Watchmen came out alright. That's true. Now, it merges the stories, apparently, the Preludes and the Nocturnes and the Dollhouse, which are apparently

big Sandman stories. Yep. You're probably more familiar with them than I am in the sense that I've never heard of those things. Right. The director was Roger Avery.

He was fired because of direct disagreements between him and John Peters. Oh, the famous Batman, Batman 1989's John Peters. Superman Lives John Peters.

I wanted to see Superman Fight a Giant Spider. But apparently the version after several rewrites under John Peters and Warner Brothers and whatever. A draft by William Farmer was reviewed by Ain't It Cool News and it was met with

scorn. That's all they have though, Ain't It Cool News. They either have scorn or incredible enthusiasm. Yeah, that's true. Gassman, who I'm assuming is the creator. Gassman? Gaiman. Gaiman. It says G-A-S-M-A-M.

That's incorrect. My thing has autocorrected on me, hasn't it? Gassman? It is, it's Gaiman. What the hell am I doing? You're an idiot. I'm an idiot. He called the screenplay

not only the worst Sandman script I've ever seen but easily the worst script I've ever read. Wow. That Gazman. He's brutal. He's very harsh, isn't he? Yeah. In 2007, there was a Comic Con panel where he said he'd rather see no Sandman movie than a bad Sandman movie, but announced late last year, it was announced that David Escoia of the Christopher Nolan Batman movies and Man of Steel will produce the adaptation with Joseph Gordon-Levitt, who will also possibly star and direct. Oh. So this movie is very much moving ahead.

I'm on board. At this point. Has been development hell, though. For now. Yeah. Yeah. Yes or no? Yes.

I'm going to say yes. Yeah, I really want to say this. It sounds really interesting. Yeah. Joseph Gordon-Levitt is a very exciting, up-and-coming young director. A real shine in the booth. He is. I think he's like 32, so he's not like...

That's a young director, isn't it? Uh-huh. Yeah, good for him. Lobo. Next one, Lobo. All right. Space Lobo. Now, in 2009, Warner Brothers announced that Guy Ritchie would direct this film.

All right. 2009, Warner Brothers announced that Guy Ritchie would direct this film. All right. So his version was, or this version was, he lands on Earth in search of four fugitives who are very dangerous and such, and he teams up with a small-town teenage girl. All right. It sounds to me very similar to Suburban Commando. Commando, yep.

Now, in 2010, he left the project to do the Sherlock Holmes sequel, which I think we spoke about last week, and we decided it was the best sequel ever made. Is that right? I don't think we agreed on that at all. No, you said that. I did not. No.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I'm in 2000... Listeners, go back. Prove it wrong. Go to audiblepodcast.com. Whatever it is. Planet? There we go.

Yeah, sure. In 2012, Brad Payton P-A-Y-T-O-N Payton said that he was going to write and direct now he's directed Journey to the Center

of the Earth 2 or Journey to the Mysterious Island 2 or whatever and Cats and Dogs 2 Revenge of Kitty Galore so he's done those movies and they said

he was going to direct great I haven't seen those movies so I can't was going he's going to direct. Great. I haven't seen those movies so I can't comment. But That can't be good. No it can't be. It sounds like they're going

for kind of a kid friendly kind of guy. Dwayne Johnson announced on Twitter that he was in Talks. Perfect casting. But I think I've said this before. I don't think Warner Brothers

will use Dwayne Johnson for Lobo. They'll put him in a bigger DC character role because he's a bigger actor. Yeah, yeah. You can't do a kid's version of Lobo. No. He punches people's heads off, like right off.

I mean, it doesn't say that it's a kid's version. It's just if you get that director and, you know, your original stories, he's talking about teaming up with a teenage girl. That's going to be like Race to Witch Mountain kind of scenario. Yeah, unless she's like a teenage girl that starts fires and, you know, kills insects or whatever. Yeah, yeah, exactly. If she's a child who's unbalanced, like Ellen Page in Super or something like that, then that would work. But, I don't know. Like, sometimes you see these kiddie film directors and they're put on a project like this and

they'll have to wonder, do they want to get like their ultra violence out maybe? Okay. Yeah. And then go back to kid films? Yeah. Or do they only know how to do things one way? Yeah. And that is kiddie film way.

It's a good question. Well, Robert Rodriguez can kind of jump back and forth. That's true. So he's one guy who can, you know, can kind of go between those two worlds. But, um, I don't know.

That being said, Robert Rodriguez's kids' films aren't very good. Yeah, so there you go. I think his first Spy Kids is alright. Then one's called Spy Kids 3D with Stallone.

Okay, yep. And he also did Sharkboy and Lava Girl. Right. Which was based off an idea these children came up with. You shouldn't base your ideas on anything children ever say. No.

What about Axe Cop? Yeah, I've heard that's really good. I've heard that's good, yeah. I haven't seen it, though. Yep. Dwayne Johnson left the project in February of 2013. So this is, effectively at this point, it's dead. Have you heard about the new 52 Lobo?

No. They've changed it so that, like, who's the real Lobo? And there's, like, a skinnier kind of Lobo who claims to be the real Lobo. And now the Lobo's an imposter. It's like a whole thing. I'm not up to date on that. Okay. But I know you love the new 52, so you're probably about to check it out, right?

Oh, you're opening it right now, I see. No, I'm not. That's not a thing that I'm doing. This isn't theater of the mind. Stop it. So, yes or no, though? I'm assuming under that particular... What they're talking about there, you're not interested.

No, if it's insanely super violent. Yeah. That was my problem with the first Punisher film. Yeah. It wasn't insanely super violent. It's a super... You know, it's a super universe. So, everything should be exaggerated to the nth degree.

Yeah, absolutely. So, super violent. Like the Punisher war zone. Yeah, exactly. Here's something interesting for you and people at home. Do you know the podcast How Did This Get Made? Yes. With Paul Scheer.

They do an episode. Often they look at terrible, terrible movies. That's basically the idea. It's a good podcast. Check it out if you haven't. They don't need our help. I'm sure they've been featured on iTunes thinking they're better than us. But basically, they got the director of Punisher Warzone on.

Alexei Alexander. Yeah, Alexei Alexander. You've heard it, yeah. It's great. It's great. And they run through the whole process. And yeah, I really got to watch that movie again. Because I remember watching it at the time.

Because I watched it on a laptop overseas. And I went, that was pretty great. But I haven't watched it since. But when they're talking about the movie and the stuff that's in it, it sounds... I mean, I remember I was thinking back to it and going, that's amazing. I can't believe I haven't watched that again. So I'm going to check it out. Please do.

Some parkour guys get rocket launched. Absolutely. Cool. But yeah, super violent Lobo. I'm on board. Anything else, no point. Punisher Warzone? I think people should go in it and go, this is horrific.

Yeah. Like, why is it so violent? But these things don't make money. That's the problem. Yeah, there's a problem. It's proven to have not made money. Whenever they do a kind of R-rated comic book movie, generally, they don't make money.

Spawn? Oh, yeah. Those are the minors, though. I got one more here, Mason. There are more. This one's called Why the Last Man. Oh, yeah? No, this is not the comic.

It's just why, the word why. Oh, interesting. Why the last man? What's the deal with that? No, the comic Why the Last Man. You know, I tried to get into this a few years ago. I got a few issues in,

I'm like, eh, and I stopped reading it. But it's one of those things where I know it's good, many people have said it's good, I've really got to sit down and give it another shot.

Got to force your way through it. Force my way through it. In 2007, New Line Cinema purchased the rights with DJ Caruso, who directed Disturbia

and Eagle Eye. Is that David Caruso's alter ego? It is, yes. He's DJ Alter Ego. Amazing. He was going to direct it. Have you seen Disturbia? No.

I think it's the only good Shia LaBeouf movie. There you go. Eagle Eye is the one where the government's after him, and maybe they're tracking his phone, and then someone at some point goes, get rid of your phone, man, and then the guy smashes his phone. He's like, hey, what are you doing?

Like every movie like that, there's a scene like that yeah absolutely haven't seen it though there was a chance of course that Shia LaBeouf was going to star but Shia LaBeouf said he was concerned

about doing it because the character was too similar to Sam Witwicky well put a bit of a damper on it yeah

Crusoe said also that he couldn't do it in one movie and he wanted to do it in a series of movies which makes sense because it's an ongoing series.

Yep. You could do it as an ongoing series like The Walking Dead though, couldn't you? Definitely, yeah. Yeah. The Jericho writers,

remember that? That would actually be really interesting because he's all female characters except for him. Yeah. Is there a point

like, have you read a lot of that? Is there a point where another male character shows up? I wouldn't want to spoil it for you. I'll take that as a no.

The Jericho writers, you're familiar with the show Jericho? Vaguely, sure. Started to watch it. It's not very good. Ah, that's not true. No, it's not very good. I'm going to say it

because I would have kept watching. Exactly, put your foot down. They wrote a new version and they had a meeting with the studio and directors but in 2013, it was announced that Danny, well, this is a tough one,

Trachtenberg would direct. Now, this guy, young director announced that Danny... Oh, this is a tough one. Trachtenberg would direct. Now, this guy, young director, 32 years of age, he did the Portal short film. Have you ever seen that? Yes, okay. It's pretty great. So that would be his first big production. Now, it was going to go into production this year.

There's been no word on this happening. If it doesn't start shooting in a few months, though, the rights then revert back to the company because it's been however many years that I have that for what do you want to see do you want to see Why the Last Man

yes with not Shia LaBeouf that's all I ask yeah I want to see it as a TV series though yeah sure

yeah not enough room to stretch one's legs precisely yeah well I think that's the way it's going to go these days

these comic book movies these comic books coming TV shows you should put some stretch one's legs. Precisely. Yeah. Well, I think that's the way it's going to go these days. These comic book movies, these comic books coming TV shows. You should put some stereo music behind that. Because that was very, very... It was really good. It was inspired and passionate. Yeah, it was inspired. Yeah.

But the thing is, well, like a show like this, if you're going to make a show like this, or, you know, it's the same with The Walking Dead. It's not all superheroes flying and crashing through things, so you don't have to do

a weird kind of low-budget small-bill thing. You could do this much more easy because there's not a lot of special effects. Exactly, yeah. Less, more kind of

crowd stuff, I'd imagine, and whatever. Just crowd stuff. Just so much crowd stuff. Yeah, so that would pretty much be it because there's no supernatural elements

in that at all, is there? No. There's that monkey, though. There is a monkey. Yeah. And there's no supernatural elements in that at all, is there? No. There's that monkey, though. There is a monkey. Yeah. And there's some stuff in space. Yeah. You really are.

But it's in like a space station, so. Oh, you've just spoiled it for me, Mason. I spoiled it. We'll let that out. We won't. So that's pretty much it. That's all the movies I wanted to talk about. There's a few other here that I can mention briefly we can talk about.

There's been a Red Dwarf movie in the works since the early 2000s, late 90s. It's never going to happen. It's never going to happen. I would love to see it. I'd love to see another series. I'd love to see another series. We've said that before. I'd love to see another series more than a movie, actually.

But hey, there's been a Pee Wee Herman story, another Pee Wee Herman movie. He appeared on, not Kimmel, the other guy. Fallon. Fallon, as Pee Wee Herman a couple of years back. Interesting. And so I think that was kind of testing the other guy. Fallon. Fallon. As Pee Wee Herman a couple of years back. Interesting. And so I think that was kind of testing the waters there. Oh, I see.

But he shouldn't have been masturbating in that theatre. But at the same time, if you're going to masturbate anywhere in public, that's where you do it, surely. In a theatre. It was in a porn theatre. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Back in the day. Do you think people who got busted for masturbating in a porn theatre, are they like, ah, if only.

If only. A couple of years later, comfort of my own home, high-speed internet. Although somebody else was caught masturbating in a porn theatre recently, like in the last year or so. It's one of the guys who's in those Christopher Guest movies. You know, A Mighty Wind, Best in Show. Okay. Ah, what's his name? Adrian Brody.

No, Adrian Brody is an old guy. Nick Nolte. No, not Nick Nolte. I'm going to look it up. Dustin Hoffman. Stall for a minute. All right, fine. The other ones we've got here is Fletch.

They've been talking about Fletch for a few years. Yeah, Zach Braff was attached to one point, right? Yeah, Zach Braff. They're talking Ryan Reynolds as well. Ryan Reynolds is kind of a young, kind of Chevy Chase kind of guy. The Halo movie. Okay. Which is now becoming a TV show that, well, Peter Jackson was talking about.

Fred Willard. Fred Willard, okay. Masturbating in a porn theatre. Old bloke, lovely bloke. You already had that open on your phone. Yeah, he knows this. Yeah, the Halo TV series. I've never played the Halo games because I've always had Playstations.

I mean, I've never owned them. I've played them. They're great. You like the Halo games because I've always had Playstations. I mean, I've never owned them. I've played them. They're great. You like the Halo games, I guess? Yeah, but I don't want to see a TV series about Halo or a movie about Halo. It's going to be across multimedia platforms. Don't like it, no. Steven Spielberg is producing the TV series, though.

Oh, Band of Brothers style. That's right. He's trying to get Neil Blomkamp to direct. Oh, I'm on board then. Who I think was originally going to do the Halo movie, but then that kind of folded and then he made District 9. Okay. Which is probably better than Halo.

You've turned this whole thing around in one sentence. Thank you. I'm back on board now. They're also talking about doing a Who Discovered Roger Rabbit movie or a Toon Patrol movie. So they're both prequels to Roger Rabbit. Toon Patrol is like his exploits during World War II. Huh. So I don't know what the deal there is.

Bob Hoskins, though, he can't... Well, they're prequel anyway, so he wouldn't be involved. But he has Parkinson's now, which sucks. So any involvement... Good thing you brought it up then. Brilliant. The podcast on a high note. I've got one more, though.

Okay, one more. There's one called At the Mountains of Madness. Okay. It's a book... It's a bloody... Whatchamacallems? Cthulhu. Yeah.

H.P. Lovecraft Cthulhu HP Lovecraft I downloaded it the other day it's 99 cents I started reading it it's very much of the time but it's a good read so just to see what this is about it's basically people go to Antarctica

and there's a civilization there is it abandoned? is it not? it sounds a lot like Alien vs Predator very much so so Peter Jackson they called it at the time the Alien vs Predator meets the thing of its Jackson they called it at the time the Alien vs Predator

meets the thing of it's time that's what they said in the 20's when it was released so yeah Peter Jackson's been

talking about that for years but I'd love to see that because I love a snow slash horror movie even that new

The Thing prequel it was pretty good it's not bad too much CGI it really ties in well to the other one. Except it says that The Thing can't replicate. Not biological material.

Exactly. But in the other one he can. It's kind of all vague on his powers and whatnot. Anyway, so there you go. Now some movies, though, do get out of development. Hal Mason. I'm going to name a few. So don't be sad.

Okay. Watchmen. You mentioned that one. Loved it. I didn't have it here doesn't matter but i'm saying i contributed i've made a contribution to this thing uh world war z yeah okay yeah uh john carter of mars all right that happened i want to see that i've heard it's not that bad all right let's watch it all right also i was thinking do you want to do some

commentary track ones at some point because people want to hear What we think about movies Don't they Do they Listeners Two new podcasts Listeners Email in if you'd like To see us do a commentary

Track on something Yeah But we'd need a lot of yeses Yeah At least four Four yeses We'll do it for you four Yeah

Maybe it's just If I can put them up On the YouTube channel Maybe not on the iTunes Anyway If you don't want to do it I'll do it by myself. Good.

This is the bit where Spider-Man swings in from the building. Look out, Doc Ock. Oh, he got you. I'll back aboard. Good. Jurassic Park 4, which is now Jurassic World. It's coming out in 2015. That's been on the cards for ages.

Multiple scripts. They're talking about there was one script which apparently had human-dinosaur hybrids. Yeah, shooting guns at each other. Shooting guns at each other. It sounds like Dino Riders. Look at that Dino Riders. Keira Knight was guns at each other. Shooting guns at each other. It sounds like Dino Riders. Keira Knight was involved at one point.

It's a whole thing. Ender's Game was in development hell but now it's come out. It's been the best movie ever made which we haven't seen because we hate Orson Scott

Card. Oh yeah. I'm making a stand. Screw him. And Mad Max Fury Road which is coming out actually this year I believe with Tom Hardy's Mad Max.

Not a lot has come out of that. Not a lot of... No. Not a lot of production stills. There's been like one still. Yeah. Yeah. And it seems...

Have you seen any of the Mad Maxes? Yes. A couple of years ago, I watched all three. Uh-huh. How'd that go? The first one, you know, it's rough because it's, you know, low budget. And the second one's amazing. The second one is easily the best by far.

The third one's kind of like The Lost Boys and Mad Max. Very much so, yeah. So watch two. You could skip the other ones. You don't need to see the other ones. It's the Godfather 2 of Mad Max films. It sure is. Very good.

So there you go. That's the episode for this week. We did it again. Quick shout out to a good friend on YouTube, Milan Jeffdick1992. He does a lot of cool stuff on YouTube. He's got his own podcast, which you should check out. Does it have a name? It's called Transmissions from Innsmouth.

Cool. He's a big HP love. That's very HP love. It is, exactly. So basically, I cameoed in a recent episode that he had, which is on his YouTube. Oh, la-di-da. That's very exciting. But he's a good dude.

His stuff's kind of, he's a really good kind he's a good dude his stuff's kind of he's a really good kind of storyteller and it's kind of he's got this kind of twisted and interesting ways that he looks at things he does comic book reviews and movie reviews and a bunch of stuff he doesn't get a lot of views sometimes some stuff gets heaps of views some stuff not so much but i find him endlessly fascinating and everyone should check it out yeah i'm gonna plug um google.com if you have any search needs if you need to find something on the internet Google.com

it's a little start up but they seem to be doing good things alright well that's the episode for this week now next week Mason I'll give you two options for what we can do do I have to choose now? yes, Justice League War is coming out I think there's still a torrent leaked

but we're going to acquire it legitimately because we're a legitimate businessman Yes. Wow. Justice League War is coming out. I think there's still a torrent leaked. There's been a torrent leaked online. But we're going to acquire it legitimately because we're a legitimate businessman. Precisely. We're going to talk about that and maybe just the DC animated movies. Or we could do Robocop because Robocop's coming out. And you know a lot about Robocop. I do know a lot about Robocop. And I'd love you to teach me about Robocop.

Here's the thing, though. It's coming out like a week before the US, right? Yeah. Remember what happened last time? No, no. Not about the movie. Just everything else related to Robocop. Oh, a Robocop primer.

Exactly. Interesting. I'll ruminate on those two options. All right, cool. I'll let you know. What would you prefer? I think I prefer Robocop, but I still want to do an animated one as well, though. Let's do Robocop Tour.

All right. Okay, cool. Or the other one. Let's do Robocop Tour. Alright. Okay, cool. Or the other one. Let's see what happens. So you read a lot of the you were telling me about the comic the other day one of the comics

which was linked in to Terminator which was amazing. There was a Robocop versus the Terminator. There was even a video game. Yeah. Not good but

awesome. Life's like that sometimes. I'm looking forward to learning about Robocop. That's the one. Alright. If you'd like to hit us up listeners you can. That's the one. All right. If you'd like to hit us up, listeners, you can.

See you next week. Weekly Planet Pod at Gmail, Facebook, and Twitter. That's the one. Mr. Sunday Movies is mine. And Wikipedia Brand is mine. Please ask Mason questions about Robocop. Yeah. Anything you want to know, I guess.

You see me on the streets. Yeah. Yeah. Anything you want to know, I guess. You see me on the streets. Yeah. Yeah. Please go to iTunes and rank us so that I live that dream that I just decided that I wanted. That he may change his mind about. So maybe all your efforts will be for nothing. It won't be for nothing because it helps the show regardless. Fantastic.

Because it boosts the scores. And also, we've got to beat the Triple M Hot Breakfast team. Why do you hate those guys so much? What have they ever done to you? Because I feel like... Was your family killed by a hot breakfast once? Did somebody flip a McDonald's tray and it killed your parents?

That's exactly it. With hotcakes. That's exactly right. It's just one of those generic breakfast shows. No, you're right. There are good breakfast shows. I don't listen to radio anymore, though, anyway. I just listen to podcasts all the time.

All right. What do you do? Just listen to the Triple M Hot Breakfast just listen to podcasts all the time alright what do you do? just listen to Triple M Hot Breakfast Club is that is that is that bad for us? I download it a lot

so oh that's fine yeah I mean I'm assuming it's for research purposes so you can take them down from the inside nah I just love it

just just love it you love the rock sport and comedy on Triple M yeah alright thanks guys absolutely

we'll see you next week bye FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship All right. Thanks, guys. Absolutely. We'll see you next week. Bye. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.