The Weekly Planet - 182 Are Movies Ever Better Than Comics? (with Levins)

Episode Date: April 24, 2017

This week we’re joined by Andrew Levins who makes the case for there not being a comic book adaptation better than the movie.Plus we talk Fast and Furious spin-off, Avatar sequels, Ripley’s return to the Alien franchise, trailers for Krypton and Cloak and Dagger, Lock and Key, more X-Men films, Will Smith as the Genie in Aladdin, Batgirl casting and Kylo Ren’s scar in The Last Jedi.Find Levins twitter.com/levdawg and all his podcasts here:Serious Issues https://www.planetbroadcasting.com/our-shows/serious-issues/Hey Fam https://play.acast.com/s/hey-famAll the Small Games: https://allthesmallgames.tumblr.com/Grey Coyote Comic: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1539401697/gray-coyote/description6:22 Fast and Furious spin-off9:10 Avatar release sequels13:50 Ripley’s Alien return16:38 Cloak and Dagger trailer20:27 X-Files is back, baby!22:29 Lock and Key pilot24:42 Captain Marvel gets a director27:57 X-Men movies cometh29:20 Will Smith as the Genie32:55 Krypton Trailer37:28 Batgirl casting38:25 Kylo Ren scar39:24 Are Comics Better Than Movies?Language Warning 1:13:34 - 1:13:551:23:21 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read1:29:16 Letters It’s Time For LettersBuy Watchmen on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2ICOJTiPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesMr Sunday Movies YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/lB90W2The Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind our T-Shirts here: https://goo.gl/q6gE9C Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Where we talk movies, comics, TV shows My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday With me as always is my co-host, Nick Mason But maybe there's other things happening this week, Nick Mason In what sense? I'm throwing to you Yes I'm ready to catch, here we go

You're going to introduce Lead me into this, I can do it I'm ready Hey you. Yes. I'm ready to catch. Here we go. You're going to introduce... Lead me into this. I can do it. I'm ready. Hey, Dad, it's me. It's your son. It's Master Sunday Movies. Yep, here he is.

I'm so glad you finally let me exist in the podcast world. This is how you reveal that you can speak. Yeah, exactly. Amazing. You've never heard me talk until now. Why would a toddler reveal that they could speak on any other medium than a podcast why any child of yours would provide content to you exactly we haven't it's not it's not your child no he tried he tried to make me talk on twitch once i was like this is a dying format that i'll never catch on outside of video

gaming okay i should do an actual intro that'd be great no it's fine leave it but it's baby talk this week we've got an actual special guest it's look who's talking to now

which is the baby one that's one answer all of them three's the dogs yeah that's now there is a dog here yeah there is hello dog

it's me I'm your dog hey what's up oh no we've got an actual special guest James were you aware of that yeah no it's a man There is. Hello, dog. It's me. I'm your dog. Hey, what's up? Oh, no. We've got an actual special guest, James. Were you aware of that? Yeah, no.

It's a man. He's had many lives. He's a DJ. He's a restaurateur. He's a raconteur. He's a podcaster. He's a podcaster. The greatest honor of all to be a podcaster. It's Andrew Levins.

Levins is here. Welcome. Thanks for having me. No problem. Thanks for coming out. Now, you're down for the Melbourne Comedy Festival. We came to see Tommy Dasolo's show where he insults you for... No, he insults me.

He rips on my life for 60% of his show. I didn't get to the show. I missed so many and I'm really pissed off. I bootlegged it. I'm going to sell it. I'm going to try and make back all the money he made off my life by bootlegging his show. I'll put it in the link. In Bali on fake DVDs.

That's right. Well, let's get straight to the news. Levens, have you listened to this show, selling it. I'll put it in the link. In Bali on fake DVDs. That's right. Well, let's get straight to the news. Levins, have you listened to this show before? Yeah, countless times. So you know the format, so I don't have to explain anything to you. Mason, do you remember what happens every week? I play with the dog. Yeah, good.

The dog is here. I show up at your house. Your child cries at the very sight of me. Yes, that's right. Yeah, okay, you're good to go then. Yeah. So they've confirmed that the Fast and Furious spin-off movie is going to be happening,

and it's going to have The Rock and Statham, the combo, the duo. Do you guys, do you see Furious? No, I've not seen the latest one. Or any of them. Oh, really? Yeah, so everyone hates me more than any guest before. That's no problem at all.

But, oh, no, well, I found, and Mason, I think you're the same, like those two in particular in that episode movie were the best part of that. more than any guest before. That's no problem at all. But, oh no, well, I found, and Mason, I think you're the same, like those two in particular in that episode movie were the best part of that movie. They've got some great chemistry. They've got great chemistry. The Fast and the Furious Netflix series. That's right, exactly. And there's been, there was some controversy

over Vin Diesel and The Rock. They had a falling out. Yeah. Which you don't believe is real. No, I think it's a publicity. I think it is real, though. We didn't really touch touch on it last week but there's a lot of scenes where it's clearly a body double like it's clearly the rock is there and then over the other side of the car is just a body double who looks it's it's a bald man maybe it's not maybe it's a i don't

believe anyone is actually friends with vin diesel unless he posts a video on his facebook of them doing like karaoke together. Isn't that all the Ruby Rose videos he did together? No. What's Ruby Rose's karaoke song of choice, I wonder? He also has done like, there's an unbelievable, if you love Vin Diesel, he did an incredible version of Stay by Rihanna. I want you to stay. It's actually very emotional and cool.

Really? Yeah. I want you to stay It's actually very emotional Really? Yeah I've heard him sing the Paul Walker tribute song A few times in interviews And it's very Did I ask him to do it? Or he's just like Now here we go Time to bust it out

How does the Paul Walker tribute song go? No it's It's It's been a long day Without you my friend But I'll tell you all about it When I see you again It's not actually called the Paul Walker tribute.

It's the song that is at the end of Fast and Furious 7, I think. Yeah, that's the one, yeah. Anyway, are you excited in any way for this? For Vin Diesel's upcoming album, yes. But Fast and Furious spin-off starring The Rock and Statham. Will you see it, or any of them, ever? Yeah. Does that imply that there's going to be a Fast and Furious 9

that's going to have Vin Diesel and The Rock in it, but then there's going to be a separate spin-off series? This one that we just saw, Eleven's Mist, is the first of a trilogy that will end the series at 10, apparently. Wow. That's the story, yeah. Imagine having the balls to just say the most ridiculous thing and then for that to be what's actually going to happen.

Especially because it made the most money of any movie ever in the opening weekend. It beat Star Wars. Oh, it did open in China and Star Wars didn't open in China. Well, I learned today, speaking of bold proclamations, I learned today that James Cameron released his Avatar release schedule. So the next one's going to be in 2020 and he's going to do one a year up until 2025.

No, it's 2020, 2021, 2024, 2025. You pips James to the news. Yeah, you have, you son of a bitch. That's right. The very popular Avatar update segment of the Weekly Planet. That's why I tune in each week. Sure.

He's shifted these dates around a lot. Have you noticed that? Because like after Avatar, the first one he was like, yeah, we'll give it four years and then it'll be out in 2014 or whatever. And then it just never, just didn't happen. I reckon two more tops. You reckon then they're going to stop?

I just don't see the world caring. Yeah, absolutely. And for it to be like, and I feel like if they announced five Matrix movies after the first Matrix and then released the two they did, everybody would be like, that'll do. That's fine. That's enough.

They stopped pissing on the legacy of a movie we actually liked. Sure, yeah. No one even liked the first Avatar movie. Yeah, we've spoken about it. I would say people liked it at the time. Yeah, we've spoken about it on the show. It's one of those things, it's had no cultural impact. You don't see people dressing up as the characters.

You don't see any, I mean, you probably see erotic fan fiction and stuff like that, but that's inevitable. But you don't,, like nobody's surely you guys are big enough to have erotic fanfiction written about If you don't don't tag them tag me at live on Twitter I want to see James and may so erotic fanfiction in the Avatar universe five movies worth there was a there was a T-shirt release of like us in an embrace and i don't know if it's meant to be erotic or not but i'll find that one that's the only one i bought of course yeah but but also it's interesting that these movies are going to go up against star wars

if they keep making star wars because they're they're all mid-december no one likes those that's right so i mean what if they're amazing they could be right they could be but what do you build from well the what happened at the end of the last one the humans left uh what's his name I thought we were talking about Fast and Furious still no no are we talking Avatar I was gonna say what do you build on with Statham and The Rock and I'm like well maybe they like they have a taco truck or something like that because you can't if you're gonna do a Fast and Furious spin-off you can't just have them Fast and Furious-ing about no I guess you bring the Fast and if you bring that duo of Statham and The Rock

into the Avatar universe that's how you get me to watch Avatar even though I'm not even on board for the Fast and Furious universe hey man I'm just gonna fix up that cord. Keep talking. There's a cord problem? Yeah, I can hear it clicking about. Oh. Now I'm tethered to mine. So it's a real situation. There we go.

That's a good operation you've run here. You better believe it. Yeah, but look, James Cameron has a really good track record. I wouldn't say he's made a terrible film. Maybe The Abyss. I don't know. But I don't know. But, like, you know, he certainly has made a close to terrible film maybe the abyss i don't mean but i don't know but like you know he certainly has made a close to terrible film and that's the one that he's now making five of sure yeah but that

being said like i don't i don't love that movie but it really like it's something to see when it came out like it revolutionized things that we all hate now sure it was it was that like it was that well i remember my wife like pitched the idea of me going, my girlfriend, she pitched it to me. I thought you were going to bore at it. I know, that was me trying to transcend. I got it, Leavitt. She pitched, because I really did not want to see Avatar when it came out.

And she pitched it to me saying, well, I feel like we have to see it and we may as well see it in IMAX 3D. Sure, right. Sydney had an IMAX cinema at that point. You know we don't anymore? Really? Did it burn down? No, it's just been in,

they're like fixing it or something. And they have been doing it for like over a year now. Oh, but they are bringing it back. Hopefully in time for the Inhumans movies. Oh, right. November? I don't know it definitely won't be done we have we have something similar to our ferris wheel yeah they

keep promising to fix that and we just go there every every sat friday and saturday night for a fun fun night out is that fixed at the moment i don't know i can never remember can we watch the inhumans episodes on the ferris wheel yes all good questions well you know we should move on ridley scott he's james cameron related isn he? I've kind of linked these, I guess. He said he's going to make Alien sequels forever also until he dies. Same as James Cameron. That's their plan. He's very close to death though, isn't he?

He might be. He'd be mid-70s. Who's first? Cameron or Scott? Scott, surely. Scott, definitely Scott. But he said he's not ruling out Sigourney Weaver returning as a de-aged Ripley. I'm going to rule out Sigourney Weaver returning as a de-aged Ripley. I'm going to rule out Sigourney Weaver returning as a de-aged Ripley.

I think she'd do it. Really? But I don't know. Why? Because I just saw her do a skit with Stephen Colbert where she reprises Ripley. Okay, how about this? Sigourney Weaver's character dies at the end of Avatar,

is reborn in a different version of, the same version of the Aliens universe. Everyone thinks it's Ripley, but it's actually not. It's her character from Avatar. in a different version of... No, the same version of the Aliens universe. Yep. Everyone thinks it's Ripley, but it's actually not. It's her character from Avatar. Well, they could be the same universes. Isn't there, like, really loose links between, like, well, there's mechs and whatnot.

I don't know what else there is. Is there a corporation that crosses over? There's probably a corporation, right? Like a Weyland-Yutani. There might be a Weyland-Yutani. I don't know. I'm not watching Avatar again. That feels like your area of expertise. That feels like,

James, your, that's your wheelhouse. Well, I didn't know I was going to ask that. I didn't know I was going to bring that up. I didn't prepare. 10 things you missed in the brief.

But, what do we got? Yeah, no, because what's his name was going to do, the guy who did Elysium and District Nine and Chappie. He was going to do Alien 5, which was going to be, which was going to retcon Alien 3 and 4 with an older Ripley.

Did you see the concept art for that? Yes. And it was going to happen. And because Chappie didn't do well and that was also pushed back. So James Cameron, not James Cameron, Ridley Scott could make Alien Isolation. So now it looks like Ridley Scott's just going to be the one who's going to make Alien films forever. Until he dies.

Until he dies, yeah. And then James Cameron will take over until he dies. Are you sure? Both of these guys, I feel like they're making these big promises based off of the fact that they won't be discouraged from critical panning. Absolutely. All it takes is one bad Avatar movie and one bad aliens movie yeah i

feel like i'd be like oh maybe that's enough but also they're filming the avatar films together they're doing four at once so that's a commitment so it's kind of like well we've made them so we should release how much money do you think you have to have to never ever question whether you're wrong or not like in your entire life like if if he releases the first three and he critically panned. How much money does Trump have? That's your answer. No, it's that amount, yeah. I don't listen to the Weekly Planet for politics.

Yeah, if you could. If you could keep a lid on it, mate. I'm sorry. I apologize. I'm a big fan of his work. I like bringing it up, all right? Listen, I like you guys, but if you could keep the politics to a minimum.

I loved him in Home Alone 2, but that's it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, like after like three movies of critical panning, do you think he'd still be like, no, I'm right. Everybody else is wrong. I'm on, I'm in this artistic, like I'm really, I'm really heading towards something. It depends, like is he on the internet?

Like who knows? I think that would play a part. These rich guys. Yeah. I would, if he managed to make all of his movies exist in the same universe and make just the most ridiculous James Cameron action movie starring like the old lady from Titanic. T2.

Reborn into the alien universe or whatever. Yeah. And then, yeah, exact. Perfect. Paxton plays all his characters from all the movies. About to get Pullman. Yeah, they could get Pullman to replace him. They'll do the Tarkin mocap and just wipe his face.

Cloak and Dagger. We all watched the trailer. I don't remember it. Levins, you just watched it. Give us the hottest. Cloak and Dagger. We all watched the trailer. I don't remember it. Levins, you just watched it. Give us the hottest. I don't fucking remember. Give us the hottest of take. Give us the hot take.

Yeah, and this is going to be an ongoing theme for the next hour. Sure. Cloak and Dagger is a Marvel property that has never really been popular in the comics. Yeah. And I don't understand. But you point out as well, if people don't know, you do a podcast called Serious Issues, which is all comic based.

You review, is it every Wednesday or Tuesday it comes out? Monday. Monday. I listen to it on Wednesday. Because you have to edit this podcast. Yeah, that's right. Which also comes out on Monday.

Yeah. I'm in the clear. I don't have to edit nothing. So I'll listen to any kind of podcast. Sorry, continue. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I feel like Cloak & Dagger, it has been this property that for whatever reason

has been optioned for TV for quite a while now. Yeah. And they're finally, the Mad Men are finally doing it. Is it the Hulu series? Yeah. Freeform. Oh, wait, the other- What the fuck does that mean?

I don't know. It's a company called Freeform. Is it not going to Hulu, though? Potentially. I think it's for Hulu, yeah. Great. But, I mean, Cloak is a dude who has a cloak and is a portal to...

Some sort of dark dimension, shadow dimension. Doesn't he make darkness? Yeah, he makes darkness. And she makes... And she makes a light. She makes a light. She make a light. She has daggers of light that she can shoot at people and she has like a dagger tit window.

Okay, fantastic. It's all right, mate. And also their secret origin is drugs. That's right. Yeah, which is weird. Did they both do the drugs together or did they do it separately? No, they were experimented on. Okay.

They didn't take the drugs for kicks. I bring up the dagger tit window because there is an incredible indie comic artist whose name is kate beaton oh yep and she has an incredible web comic and she vagrant that's right a few other releases she's done but uh she did an incredible like i feel like she did like 10 to 20 panels about how ridiculous daggers costume is it's like a you know, extremely, extremely boobacious costume in which for whatever reason, like it basically like it, her boobs form a dagger. That sounds very erotic.

Yeah. And it's so stupid. And, and, and Kate Beaton makes fun of it in a very funny way. And I, from the trailer, it doesn't look like we're going to get any costume of any kind.

We're getting something we never get in superhero television shows, and that's really drawn-out teen acts. Oh, good. Yeah, yeah. I guess, has this been produced in the wake of Riverdale, I guess? It feels very Riverdale-y. I'm still on board for Riverdale. I watch it every week.

Just beautiful teens. They've got beautiful secrets. Yeah, they do, don't they? They're living on the streets, but the streets are beautiful. Certainly. There's crime, but there's beauty as well. If you love beautiful secrets, Mason, you'll love that The X-Files has been renewed for another 10 episodes.

I was going to say I had another thought about Cloak & Dagger. You can't. I've already moved on. Hey! Cloak & Dagger connects with one of my favourite aspects of the Marvel Universe which is the Magia which is the fake mafia

that they couldn't use for some reason in the 70s they couldn't use the mafia anymore because of the comics code yeah I guess it was the comics code

so they just had to use the Magia also because they probably didn't want to get killed by the mafia yeah that's also an option which they were probably right next door to

that's right yeah it was them it was Mad Magazine and then it was the mafia so yeah so i'm crossing my fingers for the appearance of the head of the magia silvermane geriatric cyborg have you ever read superior foes of spider-man yes good yeah it's good good good real good real funny better than the clone saga really how many clone sagas have there been since the 90s how many many clone saga Netflix television series should there be? None?

None. Good answer. Nice. I want to say none. So, yeah, X-Files. Anybody? Did anybody watch? I know you watched the last season.

Did you watch the last, the revival? Last year? He was talking to Mason when he said, I know you watched it. I definitely have not. No. Okay. I liked the one. There was one episode, which was the comedy one.

Yeah, I've always been a bigger fan of the non, there's always a big, there's always a very large epic story arc that I never fully understand. Yeah. And then there's, interspersed, there's some funny episodes. And I love the funny, in the last season, there was one with Rhys Darby, sort of a werewolf. Lizard man. Lizard man, which was very good. Yeah.

That's the high point, but that's like episode three or four. And then the rest is kind of my high point of X-Files like devotism was, um, nine 96. What happened in that year? I don't remember.

I was in year six. I thought all of the bullshit they said on that show was fucking compelling. And so I bought, I spent a lot of money on X-Files VHSs and I rewatched episodes. Oh, really? It was like that, you know, it was the very,

the most conspiracy-laden series where the Cancer Man was in every episode. Yeah, that's right. All that kind of stuff. And I think I really went all out that year and then the next year it returned and I was like, oh, I'm done. Yeah, right. I think I've burnt myself out on this.

The Cancer Man's back though, even though I don't know if you saw the last episode, he was reduced to a skeleton. And then he turned up in the new season and he pulled his face, bit of his face off and he's like, I'm still on the air. Blur.

Yeah, that's right. Exactly, yeah. That's what they need, Draculas. Was there a Draculas episode? I bet there was. I bet there was a funny Draculas episode. Wasn't there an episode where there was a shapeshifter who turned into a Dracula at one point as well?

Almost certainly, yeah. I might be thinking that. I'm more interested because there's also going to be an Audible audiobook series, or like a radio play series with Duchovny and Gillian Anderson. Oh, that sounds cool. I would much rather see what they did with that medium as opposed to... Do you think there's a bit more freedom with that maybe? Like you have a stricter by budget also.

Yeah, but I also would maybe like, maybe like Director Skinner could do the narration or something like that. Like, Mulder and Scully draw their weapons and they walk through the door and there's a Dracula! Blah! Blah! This is kind of good news, I think. This has all been good news. This is all great. Nobody's died this week. No, that is good.

I mean, yet. We'll check the news after. Maybe Ridley Scott's going to go. Lock and Key got a pilot order for Hulu. Scott Derrickson, who did Doctor Strange, is going to direct the first episode. I think they already did a pilot for Lock and Key a few years ago and it didn't go to... No, it wasn't great.

Well, you watched it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Lock and Key is one of my favorite series. Great. Have you back in the... Did you start the new run of it?

You would have. Of course you did. He just put out a one shot. Oh, is that it? Yeah. So the two creators, what is it? I can't remember what his, it's Stephen King's son, whatever his alias is.

And Gabriel Rodriguez on art. And they do revisit it with one shot. I think like almost like once a year since they finished the series. Cool. But it's incredible. It's like one of the very more successful horror comic books. Absolutely. That doesn't just rely on like gross shit happening all the time. It's not at all. Yeah. I mean, it's more kind of the very more successful horror comic books. Absolutely. That isn't just,

doesn't just rely on like gross shit. It's not at all. Yeah. I mean, it's more kind of tension and spooks. Absolutely. But I'm very worried. Blair's on every page.

I'm really worried about this adaptation because Gabriel Rodriguez, his artwork is very stylized. It's kind of like the main reason I love the book because it's, it's so awesome, but I'm really worried that a TV producer is going to be like, cool, look at this artwork. stylized and it's kind of like the main reason i love the book because it's it's so awesome but i'm really worried that a tv producer is going to be like cool look at this artwork everyone in this show is going to be emo that's how we're going to we need some beautiful teens exactly if we could also i remember some of the splash pages from that there's like you know there's people that

have wings and there's giants and like a lot of stuff they can't do oh yeah yeah look we're going to get into this later okay later okay like yeah the special effects budget is often what holds these great comics yeah from being good adaptations and i always is a is a fear factor in the back of my mind yeah that's that's that's the joy of comic books is that there's a an unlimited special effects budget if you've got a good artist then exactly you can you can have the beginning and end of universes you can have an infinite number of dimensions but tv you need to bloody rein it in mate you need to if you could rein it in can you can you turn your mic a little bit this way yes that's all right what about now that's because when you talk to leavens and then i can barely

hear you no you know what just don't talk to likeopards. Talk to me and I'll relay the leopards. Okay, if you could. I'll talk to the dog. The Mississippi Grind directors Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck, they're going to be directing Captain Marvel. I've not seen that movie. What is that movie? I have no idea. That is Ryan Reynolds and Mendo, I think. Great combo. Ben Mendelsohn.

Yeah, Benny Mendy. What is the movie about? I will check. Coffee? I think, yeah. The hottest roast. Let me have a look. It's just about nine to five, you know.

I think it's a couple of gamblers who go cross country for one big old score. Yeah. Or I'm wrong. Convinced that his newfound friend, Ryan Reynolds, is a good luck charm, a gambling addict, Ben Mendelsohn, take the man on a road trip for high stakes game of poker in New Orleans. That would be such a good movie if they were playing themselves. Yeah, right?

Yeah. You better believe it. Ryan, Ryan, we're going to go down the coast, Ryan. I've got a poem for you. It'd be more kind of a Rick and Morty situation. That's how I'm picturing it. We're going to go down the coast, Ryan. We're going to get Deadpool off the ground.

I don't know, man. No, that's out. Sure, it's got 89% of Rotten Tomatoes. Not that that necessarily means anything, but that seems as good as any. Yeah. That was kind of overshadowed by The Nice Guys, which was Russell Crowe.

Yeah. Which made zero money as well. It made zero money? Yeah, it didn't do well. Pretty good movie. Yeah, it's a great movie, yeah. You said it was your favourite movie of the year. It might have been, yeah. You didn't say that. Pretty good movie. It's a great movie, yeah. You said it was your favourite movie of the year. It might have been, yeah.

You didn't say that. Maybe you did. It sounds like something I would say. Sure. I'll just go with anything. They killed too many sex workers. IMO. That's just your opinion.

Okay, we've got some X-Men release dates for movies. Oh, wait. Do we have any thoughts about Captain Marvel? Oh, yeah. The movie sounds... I'm looking forward to it, man. Yeah. um so if you are reading any marvel book right now um you know that they have pretty much destroyed any likability of that character so i'm i'm i hopefully they i mean they kind of did this around the time that after the first iron man movie came out too

because this first civil war movie you know he was the bad guy essentially the Civil War comic book series I mean he was the bad guy and so the movie came out shortly after that and we got Fraction Matt Fraction's incredible Iron Man

run out like immediately after that so hopefully we get a similar very good Captain Marvel run soon but it's not looking good you're not a fan of like the status quo

of being like when a movie comes out then they're like Spider-Man number one he's back and what do you think about any of that? I mean, it's an inevitability. I don't care about renumbering.

I just care about the story being good first and foremost. And it's very rare that mirroring what's happening on the TV or on the movies is good for a book. Yeah, fair point. Fair point. Is she good in The Ultimates? Ultimates is a good book. Okay, cool.

I'm trying to look for a new series that's been and gone and has wrapped up. Fair point. Is she good in The Ultimates? Ultimates is a good book. Okay, cool. All right. I'm trying to look for a new series that's been and gone and has wrapped up. She's great in Spider-Woman. Okay. Dennis Hopeless did an incredible run with Jamie Rodriguez and Victoria Fish. Vanessa Fish? Something. No. I think I'm finessing up with Vanessa Fish.

Fish and Hopeless. But, yeah that that recently ended and uh it's an incredible run in which spy woman has a baby oh and uh she can have it all and uh her best mate is captain marvel and even like while the rest of the marvel universe was shitting all over captain marvel she was still very good in that book okay cool all right uh okay x-men what do we got here new mutant New Mutants release date for that movie, April 13th, 2018. Then a few months later, June 1st. One month later, Deadpool 2.

And then X-Men The Dark Phoenix in November. These are all next year. Three X-Men movies. Some of them sound good, and then there's a Dark Phoenix one. Yeah, right? What do you guys... Well, I mean, you're at this weird point in time where I feel like both of us like all three of us i mean um and the dog uh we ended last year going like well i mean we were all on board for the deadpool movie but they also put out

x-men apocalypse which i know none of us liked yeah um but then like this year has been this bizarre thing where like logan was excellent and leg Legion especially was just like this out of nowhere incredible series absolutely so I guess I have faith in Fox maybe some of these will be good there's somebody there's somebody in a Hollywood um boardroom with a whiteboard and they're and they've got here we bloody go g and n and they're trying to come up with more words that fit in because they're like that's the secret That's the secret to a quality film. L space G space N. But what do we put in there?

Does anybody have any more words? I think the secret is a vision, like an idea of what they want to do with it, not just a generic X-Men team movie. Is that the secret? Could be the secret, yeah. Lotion. Lotion, yeah.

I'd watch that. Yeah. Great. This is somewhat controversial. i don't want to upset anybody so just brace yourself i'm gonna block the dog's ears she has to hear this okay cool uh will smith is apparently in talks for the role of west two it talks for the role of the genie for the aladdin film so that will be a live action remake of the one from the 90s where robin williams took on that role.

So, well, I can step away from this because as you, as you know, I've never seen any of those films. I don't care. They can do what they like. Can he do blue face?

Maybe he can do some more raps. Well, yeah. Well, Levin's you like raps. Talk us through raps. I miss the days where Will Smith did, did a song for every one of his movies.

Yeah, absolutely. One of our listeners was very kind enough to mock up a fake album called The Pursuit of Rappiness, which featured all the raps that Will Smith would have done in all his subsequent movies after Wild Wild West. You should put it on your Twitter. I'll put it on. Put it bloody back up there.

All right. What do you think about that? Well, I've seen all the animated joints. I've not seen any of the... I haven't seen Jungle Book. I haven't seen Beauty and and the beast all these new remakes they're doing are any of them good yes i'll say most of them are good anyone that's not a gritty reboot like a alice in wonderland or whatever cinderella's great burton's not gritty that's just that's sorry yeah you're right that whatever that was um cinderella's great uh jungle book i liked it's

more of a kind of it felt like it was a tech demo right and apparently beauty and the beast is amazing which i have not seen i've heard that but i've also heard it's fine so make of that what you it's made a billion dollars yeah that's right i think like you know like yeah i mean the i know that the the stage show of aladdin um has a black actor playing the genie right yeah like that's just kind of how it's done. In fact, I only know that because on the way here, I passed a tram stop that had a poster for the Aladdin musical, and it was a black actor playing the genie. Okay.

So do you think they're not going to do, like, a CGI mo-cap thing? Do you think it's just going to be Will Smith in a little hat? Possibly, yeah. Yeah, yeah. In a cool blue suit. I think that's how they do it in the stage show. Okay, cool. Yeah. But, yeah, I don't know. They're really just going for broke with these remakes, aren't they? Absolutely, yeah. In a cool blue suit. I think that's how they do it in the stage show. Okay, cool. Yeah.

But yeah, I don't know. They're really just going for broke with these remakes, aren't they? Absolutely. It's going to be a genre unto itself. They're going to get to Hercules and then be like, uh... Hercules is actually really good. I don't mind Hercules. And I love Treasure Planet.

I think there are some good ones. I stand by Hercules as a real good watch and one that you would enjoy, mate. Okay. Because it's like the most straight comedy that they've done. Oh, great. James Woods is the devil. And with incredible hair. Yeah.

He's got flame, blue flame hair. Yeah. It's great. I get the sense that in a lot of cases the villains are better than the heroes in these. Or interesting. Yeah, Jafar's pretty good. Yep, Scar. Yep, you're making good points, Mason, for these movies you haven't seen.

I think what's smart here, though, not to... I can't remember where I heard this. Maybe it was on Collider. I don't know. Where they're not just going for a Robin Williams impersonator. They're getting a known actor who's very charismatic, who can, I guess, sing. And then, you know, doing that instead of being like,

who's a guy who can do a lot of voices? Do you know what I mean? I think it's a smart-ish move. After Moana, I'm surprised they didn't go for The Rock as the genie. Oh, right. Yeah. He would be quite good. And he has a good singing voice.

Someone else said... Oh, he's got it all. He does, doesn't he? He's got an upcoming spin-off coming out with Jason Statham. Yes, he does. Very exciting. Oh, it's Mary Poppins. They're doing that at the moment.

Really? A sequel with Emily Blunt. Who would play what? Jason Statham is... Jason Statham's the chimney sweep it'd have to be yeah you don't think they'd flip it and they make the rock do the cockney accent because dick van dyke isn't british james how could the rock fit down his chimney he couldn't he's too big you know what you're all right you know what you're doing yeah

uh krypton trailer teaser i saw a leaked one then I couldn't find it again. And there's also a teaser of a planet unexploding. So this is a sci-fi series. Yes. It's in the SYFY. Yes. Which ones did you guys see? I saw the unexploding planet trailer. I saw one that was boring.

Interesting. Could be one and the same. We don't know. Let's unpack it. There were no teens in mine. Okay. There was no one at all. I saw the one with people in it and it was like his grandpa was,

because it was about Kal-El's grandfather, whose name I can't remember. And he's like, this is our story, Clark. Yeah, Chad-El. Rob-El. Yeah. Which I don't know whether he's doing vlogs for his son. I don't know what's going on there.

Twitch stream. Yeah. The version that I saw where he's narrating, oh, you know, this is the last son of Krypton and this isn't about his life, this isn't about the destruction of our planet, this is about the life of our planet. Who's he narrating that to?

And how did he know? He's the last, I mean, maybe he's a crystal. He might be a crystal, right? It could be a crystal. Yeah, you're answering all your own questions. It could be a crystal, I'm sorry. Sorry I was so dumb there. It's a crystal narrating the history of Krypton.

And it looks kind of Man of Steel, sort of. I've shit on Man of Steel many, many times. Sure, I don't know if I've heard. I'm a podcast A-fan. But one of the few things I loved about Man of Steel was Russell Crowe's depiction of Jor-El. Agreed. And the weird Kryptonian technology

that shows up in the ship. The pinboard faces. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that very dangerous planet he's from where there's no railings. There's no railings or anything. You can leap into a computer. You have to... It's under water.

If you want to get to your local watering hole, you have to leap onto a sort of flying disc platform and just hope for the best. Call for a dragonfly and then you're off. It sounds like you guys have talked over this movie before. We have. Oh, yeah, that's right. Oh, that was a tough watch.

I like it until the end. I'm pretty much on board. I don't like, you know, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I hate that character. All right. What else have we got here? Are you excited for that?

Sorry. I will give anything a go. Like the trailer, the one that I saw, the fuller length one, I was like, this looks okay. Like, yeah, I'm not against it. But a lot of these, the problem is there's so many of these adaptations for television and most of them are just okay. So most of them I just stopped watching.

Like I stopped watching Arrow and I watch Riverdale though. I don't know. I think this is going to, for me, it's going to be highly contingent on how much of the world they show us and how much clearly budget is preventing them showing us what the costumes look like. Sure, yeah. If they look ridiculous on their day-to-day,

I don't know if I'm going to be able to take it on board. Probably a lot of tunics. Yeah, if there's good costuming, if they just have a whole bunch of leftover man of steel costumes that looks pretty good but if they if they if everything is set in like a like some sort of kryptonian boardroom because they can't show us right the hostile kryptonian landscapes and the platforms and the thing then i'm i don't know i don't know if i'll be on board okay fair enough yeah also like this is the planet that we know explodes so how many series yeah exactly well he's young so who's young uh the grandfather oh it's so far back right so 70 yeah he's great yeah and you can also have you know you can have some a whole bunch of series cliffhangers and in the

next episode somebody's just like like, oh, saved it. Saved it. I used a crystal. Krypton's safe again. This is a Krypton that isn't like about to, like, you know, that isn't slowly destructing. We're going to see Krypton in its heyday.

I think so, yeah. That's not interesting. Right? Yeah. But there's going to be some, there's going to be some Zod family rivalry, it looks like. Oh, that sounds very Riverdale, though, doesn't it? Yeah, absolutely.

And a bunch of other stuff, probably. Yeah, he's too... Plugging holes with crystals. Exactly. Zod will have two red-headed twin children who are just sexy teens. But I think there'd be a really good opportunity to show a war with Brainiac and Doomsday's creation, even though it's not really that time period. But there's stuff you could do.

It's not like Gotham, which a lot of people do love where it's just like this is the Joker or they've just started just putting all the villains in regardless of time frame I guess yeah Levens you're right

it's the least interesting period in Krypton's history but I just made a good point Mason nah you didn't it's the least interesting bit and it's like it's where they didn't have like they didn't go out

into space anymore because they're convinced that they're the centre of the universe kind of thing it's like, it's where they didn't have, like, they didn't go out into space anymore because they're convinced that they're the centre of the universe. Sure, yeah. It's just, it's going to be political intrigue, isn't it? I don't like that. All right, I'm on board. We're all on board.

Good. All right, great. Joss Whedon says that he doesn't have his eye on anybody. Oh, no, what's Joss Whedon saying again? He doesn't have an eye on anybody in particular for Batgirl and he doubts that who he'll hire will have a name. Like, I mean, as in a famous name. That's great.

Just a symbol. Really quick credits. Yeah, that's right. I don't know. I like that. I think being open to that is good as opposed to getting, like, maybe a known actor who might not fit necessarily. And it might be smart because from the perspective of if you get

somebody famous like Emma Watson. Or Josh Brolin. Or Josh Brolin. Or Josh Brolin. There might be people like, that's not how I envisioned it. So maybe this is the way you kind of sidestep that. Josh Brolin, Tommy Lee Jones. Yeah, he's good, isn't he? Sam Elliott.

Anyone in no country from him. No, how good would it be if the same actor played Thanos, Cable and Batman? Amazing. That's not good or bad news. It's news, though, isn't it? Got one more bit of thing, and then we'll go into another thing. Is everyone okay with that?

I'm okay with this. Okay, good. Rian Johnson revealed why he changed Kylo Ren's scar, because if you looked in the trailer closely, if anybody missed one of these 10 things, the scar is over his eye. It's teeny weeny. I looked at your video, but you put a big red arrow over his face i changed it because somebody um somebody beat me to that

that was a joke i haven't watched oh really that's what i actually did that's what i actually did for like the first hour uh but it could be effectively parodied now you son of a i know but uh it went the scar went up through his nose yeah so and he basically said it looks stupid that's right just straight up shoved a lightsaber up his nostril yeah so yeah so there you go that's news isn't it let me just check if i've missed anything mrs if you grind we talked about that google news.google.com yep absolutely i've got out of the habit as well of at the end of the show, Google like chicken news, but maybe someone remind me.

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but you vetoed. I didn't veto shit. All the people. All the guests have an unknowing veto power. But I thought this was like your most beloved segment that people hate you for not ever bringing back. That's fine. It's not my fault, listeners.

No, I like this. But basically, everybody who sent in wonderful suggestions. We'll do it next week, probably. Yeah, maybe. Unless Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is out next week. But not in the US, so we might push that back a week. But tune in to HeyFam because we don't give a fuck. We'll review it on that.

Whoa. These guys are rogue. But you sent the comment to me. You said that comic book adaptations, I presume you mean television and movies. Yeah. Is that right? Are never as good as the original. Radio plays.

Radio plays are never as good. Or the bulls. Shut up. You shut up. Are never as good as the original. Radio plays. Radio plays are never as good. Audible. Shut up. You shut up. Never as good as the source material. And you're not talking just like, like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is bad. You're talking like anything,

like even the ones considered great. Yeah, I wanted to challenge you guys. Yeah. Because I love comics. Obviously, like, you know, I talk about them every single week for hours. Sure. I read way too many of them.

I think they're the best art form. And my challenge to you was to name an adaptation of a comic book that you think is better than a comic book. So not even as good. We can start with as good. I mean, you're already back. I've got a loose list. But also, when he's got there on his laptop,

it's just try and convince Levens that as good works. And that's his gambit. He's like, settle for less. I have two in my mind that I think are. Okay. And I'm curious to see if you guys can get to them. I think I might be able to. But you're not also, I'm presuming you don't mean like

Batman Begins isn't a straight adaptation of year one you're talking like direct okay so this makes me sound like i'm negative on all comic book related movies and properties stuff like that i think like the superhero movies they're bigger than this you know you're very rarely will you see a superhero movie that's been directly adapted from the like you know one particular comic book sure yeah so i think something like batman begins the superman movies Batman Begins, the Superman movies, or pretty much all the Marvel movies, give or take one or two, they're kind of built off of the, you know,

the many stories in the pantheon of stories about those characters. Or they're in name only. Exactly. Yeah. So none of those. I mean, we can use, there are specific examples that we can single out within them. But like, I mean, you know, for example, like we can single out within them but like I mean

you know for example like the you know the lock and key announcement yeah um there was a big announcement for one of my favorite vertigo series scout by Jason Aaron that's been turned into a series for AMC I think quite soon um yeah I mean you know I I know you hate the walking dead I do but the comic book is still really fun. I can 100% agree. Yeah. Well, that was my first example, but no, it wasn't. I thought, okay, what about this? Not all of these also I believe are better,

but I just thought we'll just throw them out there. Let's do it. Okay, so 300. I don't think that comic is great. Haven't read it. Haven't seen it. Mason, what do you think? Look, I'm going to vote for yes.

Episode's over victory like the Spartans of old we claim victory and Levens we kick you into this pit that we've had here for several hundred episodes we've never mentioned it before

I wonder what we're going to do with that you go into the pit James get the hand cranked camera we're going to kick him into the pit in slow motion have you read it yes I have yeah and you've obviously seen it. Have you read it? Yes, I have, yeah.

And you've obviously seen it. Yeah. Do you think it's better or the same? Look, I think it's... This is like the ultimate Snyder defense. It's the butt 300. Yeah, absolutely. That's true.

Frank Miller hasn't slipped totally into madness at that point, I don't think. There's a few little things. It's still competently put together, I think. Yeah, sure, yeah. But I genuinely think, and look, maybe it would be different if it was made today. But at the time, that hadn't really been done before, like that style of filmmaking and the panel stuff.

And it's got some great action sequences. And it wasn't quite historical fiction, but it wasn't. It was David Weaving a Yarn, mate. That's right, with great abs. Yeah, he does, doesn't he? Yeah, and it wasn't quite supernatural madness, but it wasn't. It was this bizarre midpoint, which I quite enjoyed. The prequel, Psycho and Sequel is pretty shit.

I've never come back to it. Yeah, maybe it's not good. I haven't seen it in a while. That's a good place to start with. We can actually go through all of the, because all of pretty much all of Frank Miller's big comics have been turned into movies or TV shows. Are we talking,

do we want to talk animated as well? Of course. Yeah. Okay, cool. Akira. I mean, I've read the first book of the anime of the manga.

I mean, yeah, but that's a long sprawling epic I haven't read it Akira the anime is I think incredible in so far as they've gotten these literally thousands of pages of manga and turned it into

a competently produced I'm going to veto this just on the basis, manga never counts in anything take that huge manga fans manga's great but it never counts. Take that, Siobhan, if you're listening. Yeah, every week she tries to make me read manga. Levin's co-host, Siobhan.

And then every month I'm like, maybe this will be the month that I read manga. Nope. Nope. Next. Yeah. It's, yeah, Akira, like the anime is quite truncated. Like they take up a whole bunch of the back end.

Sure. So like the first volume is a significant chunk of it. It's a testament to the movie that they got as much in as they did okay yeah good doesn't count but we're not counting it so but you mentioned frank miller so well what do you want to talk about from hell oh god okay well that definitely i haven't read it but that's not frank miller that's alan moore Moore. Oh, sorry, you're right. It is so, yeah. I get them confused because they're very similar in every way. So, okay, Frank Miller from DC. We've got the animated movies of Dark Knight Strikes Again. Yeah, wait.

Sorry, Dark Knight Returns. Yes. They have not yet made Dark Knight Strikes Again, and I doubt they ever will. Oh, I hope they do. That would be nuts. It actually is nowhere near as bad as everyone said it is. It's fine.

The art's really quite bad, though. Yeah. It's funny. Yeah. I can't argue with that. You guys would know, but I do not know. Has Dark Knight 3, is it finished? No, it is still fucking going.

It is horrifically bad. I don't know if it would be so horrific, because I don't remember the last one. It's almost like four months in between. The art's okay, isn't it? Yeah, the art's great. Cupid's doing a great job. I'd have to read it as like a...

And isn't the idea being that Frank Miller has done this in conjunction with someone else? Brian Azzarello. There we go. And Dark Knight 4 is going to be all him, right? Yeah, and the rumour is that apparently this one's all Azzarello. Based on the conversation he had with Miller. Oh, I see.

All right, all right, all right but we just let the phone go yeah and while he wrote it himself yep good good work frank good work buddy we've also got the year one animated movie we've got which is atrocious in my opinion it's just boring yeah that's one of my like you know whenever someone recommends batman comics or you know superhero comics general, you always inevitably get the combination of Year One, Dark Knight Returns, and The Killing Joke. I don't think that Dark Knight Returns is a good one to start on. No, it's a shockingly good one. Year One is, I think, an absolute classic that still holds up

no matter how many more subversive Batman comics you read. So many. It's still so well done. Yeah, I don't disagree with that. And the animated series was at the peak of the dc animated branch trying to do anime style animation yeah and uh i was really excited because brian cranston was announced that's right it was really good for uh i benjamin mckenzie's not a great choice for uh for that's the that's the biggest weakness is batman's voice and i also think and with uh also think that the Batman year one has a lot of dialogue that does not

translate to voice work and animation. Sure. And that absolutely goes for Dark Knight as well. That goes for a lot of comics though. Yeah. Like I can read the most, most ridiculously serious thing, but because I choose the tone that I read it in

when I read a comic book, I can make it come through in a way that I'm fine with. Sure, yeah. And then as soon as someone delivers that dialogue or delivers that narration in a movie or a TV show, you know, they've locked into that's the tone that this series is taking. Ben McKenzie just did Donald Duck voice the whole time.

I think The Dark Knight Returns is pretty solid. Really solid. It's an animation. I agree. I wouldn't say it's better, but it's pretty good. Yeah. We've also got the Sin City movies. The first movie I thought was real sick when I was just out of high school.

Sure, yeah. I have not revisited. Probably shouldn't. Yeah, right? I haven't read it, so I couldn't, I can't compare it. Yeah.

I mean, they're very, again, it's a comic book series that when you read it, when it's like one of the first 10 comic books you read, you think it's the most incredible thing ever. Yeah. Yeah.

Because it's gritty. So it might be better. Yeah. Yeah. The jury's out. Let's just call it manga and say it doesn't count. Did you, so you said you saw the second one.

I have not seen the second one. No one has. It's on your iPad. I have? I have not seen the second one. No one has. It's on your iPad. I have, I have it. I was going to say famously, famously. No,

I have it on my iPad as like emergency content. If I run out of everything else to watch or read in the entire world, I've got Sin City a Dame to Kill for on my iPad, just in case. You say, I can either do that or run into traffic. Yeah, right.

Oh, that's great great any more Frank Miller stuff that we want to well in terms of Frank Miller directed he did The Spirit on his own which is we only got like 10 minutes

we only got 10 minutes on that one we watched that incredible car Samuel L. Jackson Scarlett Johansson yeah the guy from Suits

yeah that's right Gabriel Marques yeah and that it's so terrible in the sense that it's he was just like yeah i can do it on my own but he also he took he took the spirit who was you know it was a series that sort of pioneered sort of incredible panel layouts and just incredible just breaking the mold of comic books not just like you know here's here's nine

boring panels in a row just you know comics are a medium where you can do anything. And they went, just make it look like Sin City again. Yeah, that's right. Well, yeah, it's the thing. The spirit isn't a gritty hero at all. It's pure pulp. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It completely lost that in whatever, like five minutes of that movie I watched. Actually, Frank Miller.

He does purely pulp a guy for a really long time, very early on. But that's about it. You could say that the first Daredevil movie, the one that everyone hates with Ben Affleck as Daredevil, a lot of, I mean, Frank Miller, I think himself is in that movie. He is, he is the priest. I think he dies in all the movies that he has cameos in. Yeah, if only that would translate to real life.

No, he's all right, I'm sure he's fine. Yeah, so I think for that time, it was as good as it was going to be, that Daredevil movie. Like, I don't think it's amazing. It's not better than anything it's based on, but it was the leather suit X-Men era. Yeah, that's true.

It is what it is, man. And the director's cut is not better. I know a lot of people say it is. They're about the same. One has more coolio. Adding coolio is not a guarantee of quality. It's aggressively nowhere near as good as the comics. It's the point I'm trying to make.

I don't disagree with you. I would also go as far as saying... Some of Kevin Smith's best work. The Netflix series, still not as good as the Dead Evil comics. Yep, no, I'd agree with that. What else we got? I can name some other things. Please do.

Kick-Ass. Yeah, you know what? good as the dead devil yep now to go with that yeah what else we got I can name some other things please do uh kick-ass oh yeah you know what you're wrong no I don't know oh man uh kick-ass 2 is terrible okay you hate that

like actually the series is the series is terrible too but uh the the first movie I think is is really fun in a way that the comic book maybe wasn't when it's done. Sure.

Do you think it falls off the cliff with the jetpack? The movie, not the comic. There's no jetpack in the movie. And also you can't fall off a cliff if you're in a jetpack. Correct. You fly off into the horizon. At the end, he gets a jetpack with a minigun attached and he riddles the mob bosses.

I think in the comic book series at the end, they just take a bunch of coke and beat each other up. That's right. No, the comic book's definitely better. Yeah. In the movie, he buys a jetpack with miniguns on it on the internet and he just shows up and he machine guns everyone. You know what else is a lot better from the comic?

The Big Daddy character in the comic is just a psychopath. He's just an accountant who invents this tragic backstory so that him and his daughter can go and beat up mob bosses. It's a way more compelling story. Yeah, totally. And it kind of adds a whole new element to this guy. He's crazy, but in the movie

he's just a cop who got hard done by. Nicholas Cage did a great job. Yeah, incredible job. But it's not as interesting, which I don't think is, I mean, Nicolas Cage did a great job. He did an incredible job. But it's not as interesting. And I think they just didn't want to make him unsympathetic. So that's maybe why they changed that. The Hollywood man.

Yeah. Do you know it? Probably shouldn't have cast Nicolas Cage then. No. Sympathetic. What are your thoughts on Civil War comparatively to the comic? So this is one of the, yeah, this is the ones that I would consider. So Mark Millar is a writer

in general i think a lot of his books when when i was younger and hadn't read many comics i thought they were the best thing ever sure yeah and i don't like you know i don't want to take away from that i guess it's too late you have but come on you already have yeah totally but rereading a lot of those things like you know the first time i read civil war i was like man this is what comic book events should be yeah um and then you realize that that inspired so many versions of the comic book event, which was like, oh, the heroes are going to fight each other now. Right. And we're finally getting that on the big screen.

Although heroes fighting for a while, that's an essential element of the comic book. Sure, yeah. That's a comic book. For a third. Yeah, sure, yeah. When they first meet each other, then they're good friends, then they beat the bad guy together. That's right. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's a comic book for, for, for a third. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. When they first meet each other, then they're good friends.

Then they beat the bad guy together. That's right. That's right. Um, but I, I, I think civil war is like maybe my favorite Marvel movie. Okay.

Yeah. Alongside the first Iron Man movie. Yep. Yep. Um, and, I think, yeah,

it's better than the comic, even though it's nothing like the comic, you couldn't really count it as a proper adaptation, but it does share the name. And I guess the, the, the, the same kind of sentiment, the comic. You couldn't really count it as a proper adaptation, but it does share the name and I guess the same kind of sentiment? The same idea? The same captains of each team? Yep.

Correct. Yes. But no, it doesn't, yeah, you're right, it doesn't have a lot in common with the, I guess the Accords, there's that and then there's they fight. There's not the Winter Soldier element of it. Oh, yeah, spoilers for all this, by the way. I would be very surprised if anyone listening has not seen Civil War.

That was for Mason. I have not seen Civil War. You famously play a character that has not seen anything with war in a title. That's right. Exactly. I'm afraid of it. Oh, which reminds me. I was on an episode of Steel Wars.

I'll insert the plug right here. Why wouldn't I? Why not? If you listen this far, stop listening to this. I was on our friend Steel Saunders is doing a live Steel Wars at the Melbourne Comedy Festival. I was on with Jonathan Schuster and George Lucas. Himself. He was on there.

Direct from Adelaide Food Court. That's right. And spoiler alert for that, at some point, we were going to discuss the Last Jedi trailer, at some point he does get a little bit tired of discussing that and starts talking about his other hobby, which is hunting humans on his ranch.

So listen in for that. He's very funny. Yeah, that's right. Who's the guy who does that? Sorry, it's real George Lucas. It's George Lucas. No, no, no. It's JJ Abrams. It's George Lucas, No, no, no. It's JJ Abrams.

It's George Lucas but his friend Xavier Michaelides is very funny. Right, okay, gotcha. I'm doing the magic, everyone. Good work. Yeah, like... Do you think the Civil War comic

is better than the... No. Okay. Okay, fair enough. What about Watchmen? I think a lot of stuff that came out of Civil War, like the comic book is great,

like the Captain America run where if you'd said to anyone 10 years ago, we're going to have I think a lot of stuff that came out of Civil War, like the comic book is great, like the Captain America run, where if you'd said to anyone 10 years ago, we're going to have a Captain America comic book, it's going to run for several years without Captain America in it, you'd be like, no, that's madness. How could you do that? And why would you do that?

But there it is. They did it. And it happened. With Watchmen, it's clearly not better. No. It's a fair shot. Also, they're talking about an animated series. I just don't want to see that either.

I guess, like, I would be more interested in them. Like, I know people, like, are disgusted at the very thought of this, but, like, you know, comic book readers are very aware of the characters within the Watchmen series now, and they have done the before Watchmen stuff. They're about to do new stuff with the Watchmen characters

in the DC universe. The button. the button the button the button my greatest enemy i gotta call my friend flash to help me solve the mystery of the button you do a good batman that's pretty good it's it's actually a really good issue yeah i've been making fun of it for like weeks it's actually i was oh wow this is great if we don't know anything if we only know the bare bones of what's happening there do we need do i need to catch up on batman or the flash um you need to have read the dc rebirth special okay i've read that and you need to have read flashpoint okay and i think based off of those two you should be fine okay good and also you need to know what a button is we know that don't we yeah i've seen it we call it a badge in australia what about road trip wait wait wait we're gonna finish talking about watchman

well it's no good the end you don't think it's good like on any level just it's like it's it's one of the most fascinating incredible can't put it down comics yep it's a comic that I've lent my dad. It's a comic that I proudly... Your dad's lent you. He switched. He forgot. He's such a big fan. Yeah. And I find that movie so fucking boring.

Wow, really? Even when you first saw it, you went like, oh, there's some good imagery here. Okay, well, all right. Disclaimer. There was a real great time in the mid-2000s

where I got an iPod that could play videos. But this was before the iPods had the screens as big as iPhones. It was instead a little window. Yeah. And my, my DJ friend of mine from the States, he was touring and he was like,

Hey, I've got a whole bunch of iPod movies. And he put a whole bunch on there. And one of them was Watchmen. And so I watched Watchmen for the first time on a screen smaller than like my fingers. Right. Like an elbow size screen. And you loved it?

Yeah, it wasn't boring at all. I guess I have seen it since then. I just, like there are moments of pretty okayness in it, but it's one of the greatest comics ever written. And it should be a lot better than pretty okay. Sure. And I feel like maybe adapting, again, it's that language that we are so used to reading in our own heads when you see someone commit to no this is how that language is is said yeah it's like you have like oh no

that's not how i imagined it said in my head yeah right um and so it really pulls you out of what you want the story to be um but i think know, we're so used to these characters now that if they do something with the Watchmen, if they have to, you know, I understand why you would want to do something with this property that, you know, DC, unfortunately for all Alan Moore diehard, you know, wizard fans,

you know, they own that property. They can do whatever the fuck they want with it. No matter what fans say. And they've offered it back to him multiple times at this point. Like if you'll write us, write us one page of something and we'll give you Watchmen back. he's like nope won't do it gonna live in my cave yeah don't care anymore spell on your chakras i think you might be right in the sense that also like um

also some of the you you have a certain idea of how maybe the action sequences go as well and and snyder's got that very very visceral kind of... Because they're supposed to be more or less normal people having fights with normal people. And it's these people made out of granite who are throwing each other through walls and bouncing people's heads off tables and stuff and they're getting up and, you know... Yeah, I mean, Alan Moore,

even though it is quite a gritty and dark comic, it's still extremely silly and comic book-y. Yeah. You know, like, I love the ridiculous explosion beast thing that yeah right all the world's best artists are sent to a island to create that's right that's one of my favorite parts of the watchman comic because they build towards that for the entire thing and it's just it's like you know you only get like one or two pages of it yeah in each issue and then that's where that's why they were including that part you know the weird backup story and all that stuff it all is part of this big story they're working towards and for it to

just be just a boring explosion in the movie yeah i know a lot of people like that because it's way more realistic but i i read comic books i like comic books because they're ridiculous yeah and also that movie did have uh the the comic book does have ozzy mandy's this very charming charismatic uh sympathetic character who turns out to be the villain. And in the movie he's, he's this close to like cackling in the shadows, like the outfit, everything like that.

And he put nipples on it. My favorite thing about superhero movies. Yeah. Very good. I didn't want to say road to perdition or read the comic. No, I've seen it. I've never read the trailer and then years later

learned that it was a comic book adaptation i was like what so it's a manga it's out is it really i don't think so uh but it's got bloody tom hanks and uh daniel craig's in it daniel craig and um paul newman it's a good cast yeah anyway i don't I don't know. Cheers out, everybody. What about V for Vendetta? I don't think it's better, but I love V for Vendetta, the movie. I think it's great. What did anyone else? Again, I watched it on a plane years ago.

Have you seen a movie on anything bigger? I refuse to watch movies in the movies. Look, I saw this one reflected on my boots I had a very well shined boots I upskirted this particular movie and I did not care for it I had the plot of this movie repeated to me from an inmate in a jail cell

I was in no I I guess it's okay the movie yeah I genuinely think it's better than okay I think it's really solid it does take a like

there's elements that are missing from it because in the comic, because it's a comic and you can interpret it, like you said, how you want and hear whatever voice you want when you read it, you don't know who V is, but in this one,

he's just like, yeah, it's Hugo Weaving. And he was, there was an experiment, but in the comic, it's implied that it could be six or so people or whatever. Infinitely better than League of Extraordinary Gentlemen,

which is classic in every way. But yeah, but no, I don't think it it's better but i think it definitely stands on its own and mason thinks that i'm on twitter yeah you sure are yeah look i don't know i think i think um they decided it was they were like well let's update it for modern times it's bush it's post 9-11 it's etc and i think that kind of takes away from it being this period piece in this weird thatcher britain yeah absolutely and also the movie version everybody has kind of a nice apartment and a nice flat screen tv and everybody seems to be doing all right if you're not being taken away by the secret police sure so. Things are pretty cool.

And they invented Eggie in a basket, which isn't a real thing. That's right. They made Stephen Fry say it. They were like, this is a British thing. He's like, this is nothing. I don't know what you're talking about. Okay. Not as good.

What about, okay, what about Logan? Do you think Logan is better than old man Logan? I think it's better than old man Logan. Again, it's another Mark Millar comic that I think is incredible. The first time you read it when you're a drunk teen. When you're a drunk adult. I really like the comic. Yeah, me too.

I really like the comic too. It's one of the ones, I think I like that more than Civil War. Yeah, no, I'd agree with that. It does have that requisite level of comic book silliness. They're driving around in the old Spider-Man. It's a celebration of comics. Yeah. All my favorite comic books are.

But, yeah, I mean, i think those two are just incomparable yeah absolutely right absolutely but i think logan was an excellent movie yeah so but we can't they are incomparable so it's a manga yeah it's bloody yeah nice bloody out what's dread based off i fucking loved dread yeah that's a great movie yeah um i watched it in 3d too and i oh you know here's a cool fact about me i own a 3d television well well look at money bags over here it's so you're such a dad um wow i bet your whole family sits down you all put the glasses on we've got two pairs of glasses because there was before you could wear any kind of 3d glasses yeah you have to charge them and

they do like a shuddery thing. No shit. That's very dad. And we have to move the couch closer to the television. It's 3D viewing time, guys. How often do you do this? I have not done it in years.

Is it just when you make your family watch Dread? I did it heaps when I first bought it. Really? I've got a 3D TV from like 2012. Yeah, bro. And I think I used it once and I'm like, this is no good. I played a video game and I'm like this is no good I played a video game

and I'm like oh it's terrible playing video games this is like half the resolution Uncharted 3 in 3D for about 5 minutes and threw up

guys I have no depth perception I can only see in 2 dimensions he's got a 1D television yeah that's right it's a One Direction

yeah television only plays One Direction albums what movie are we talking about Dread Dread Judge Dread is

again one of those characters that that movie's not based off of any particular run, but it's an excellent, excellent movie that I think, like, one of the best comic book adaptations, one of the best action movies from the last few years that just didn't get the audience all the credit that it deserves. Yeah. But I do think that it's not based on any particular storyline to the credit that it deserves yeah i but i yeah and i but i do think that yeah it's it's it's not it's not based on any particular storyline to the extent that if you'd said this was uh this was a high-rise action film and we slapped the dread property on the top yeah

i would completely i'd be like of course of course that's what happened yeah i love like you know like the ridiculousness of taking that you know the slow-, the slow-mo, the slow-mo drug. I know a lot of people like that was the deal breaker for this is too silly. I loved it. I liked it too. It was actually, I've heard, I didn't see it at the cinema, but I,

but I heard it was like the best use of 3d. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There you go. Once very drunk. It was great. And I think,

you know, if I've been shooting on all the other superhero movies, I may as well say some praises for one, even though it doesn't technically win the battle that we're trying to fight right now. But, uh, it does what so few comic book movies, um,

do. And that's, it just doesn't bother explaining anything. It just throws you right in the middle of a world of a crazy situation. It just shows you this crazy situation. And we don't learn how anyone in this world came to be how they are

we don't know why the judges exist we don't really know what's past the city you know exactly it's just this awesome really closed

contained story and I wish more comic book movies would be like that yep agreed instead of being like an origin and then you get

to the second movie and then you do maybe you do a proper movie yeah and it feels like Ragnarok is like the first Marvel I guess Guardians

you could argue kind of not really nah but like Ragnarok almost feels like it's going to be like this quite contained weird thing that just kind of

throws you in the thick of it and you know you know these characters kind of fucking yeah look at all this crazy stuff yeah absolutely looks good doesn't it

looks like a good launch great good fonts guys great fonts where do you where do you guys stand Look at all this crazy stuff. Yeah, absolutely. It looks good, doesn't it? It looks like a good lunch. Great. Good fonts, guys. Great fonts. Where do you guys stand on Winter Soldier? I thought you were going to say, where do you guys stand on fonts in comics versus fonts in... What are you about?

I think Winter Soldier's better than the comic. They're not the same, but I... I think Winter Soldier's... Lemons briefly de-evolved. Did you see that? I think Winter Soldier's... briefly de-evolved did you see that? I think Winter Soldier I reverse anamorphed I think Winter Soldier

is better than Civil War as a movie as well yeah right yeah I need to watch it again I really really love that movie yeah but I really love that comic too

and I think it's you know it's very again very different it took a lot of liberties yeah and the comic has more room to breathe and doesn't he touch the cosmic cube

and disappear at the end or something he's done all sorts of wacky stuff. The Winter Soldier, is that what that wraps up? I can't remember. Maybe it isn't better. I can't remember it. In the movie?

No, in the comic. In the comic. Doesn't he disappear at the end? I mean, it's a long ongoing. I include Winter Soldier in part of the fucking 60 issues that Brubaker wrote on Captain America. Okay, sure. Fair enough. These are terrible rules that I'm just inventing as you try and beat me at this point. to win a soldier in part of the fucking 60 issues that Brubaker wrote on Captain America. Okay, sure. Yeah. Fair enough. Well,

they're not, but again, these are terrible rules that I'm just inventing as you try and beat me at this game. No, no, look, this is the,

these are playground rules. It's the, it's the exact kind of playground rules that invent, that cause the creation of Superman. That's right. No, you can't. I'm bulletproof.

No, I can see through walls. No, I can fly. No, sorry. And invent all the rules you want. You're going in the pit at the end of this.

Yes. What about, what about about you said guardians of the galaxy i don't think i've i've read a bit of guardians of galaxy i don't think i've ever read something that i thought was better than dan abnett and andy lanning run on guardians of the galaxy when was that uh this is before the movie it basically inspires what we know is the guy against the galaxy but then brian bendis took over the property and fucking ruined it uh bendis hater i enjoy some of his stuff but that doesn't bloody sound like it i think people complain about a lot of a lot of uh stuff marvel did over the last few years and i think putting bendis on guardians and that whole run was one of the worst things they've done in the last five years oh wow okay um before that it was this incredible cosmic sprawling epic that included like there was a Nova series

and there was a Guardians of the Galaxy series and a bunch of events and kind of one shots around that was all written by these two writers, Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning who now hate each other.

Oh, no. That's a shame. But the Guardians run in particular, when I first read it, it was like the first sci-fi comic that I really got into because

it was so fun and and funny and all the ideas were like just like really nutty but like just told in this really just like i don't know same um same cast yeah more expanded so actually you're like mantis who's gonna be a part of number two was in it and then my favourite Guardian is a guy called Bug yeah I know he says like tick in the middle of all these sentences and then Cosmo the cosmonaut dog

yeah it was it was all these weird characters and concepts but of course that would make sense obviously there's a cosmonaut dog who ascended to space and now he's intelligent

and telekinetic and what have you and they live in like their spaceship is in the body of a dead celestial which is what's called Nowhere and there are little concerts of these that make their way for the movie I actually intelligent and telekinetic or what have you. And they live in like their spaceship is in the body of a dead celestial. Yeah. It's called Nowhere. And there are little concerts that make their way

for the movie. I actually, when I first saw Guardians of the Galaxy I was really disappointed because I had such high expectations for it. You thought it would be

like wackier or funnier? For me, they've changed some characterizations as well. Gamora is very different. That was my biggest problem was that Gamora is like, she's like known as

the most dangerous woman in the universe. Right. And she was just like a green girl who lost after Chris Pratt. Like all green girls. And Rocket Raccoon is pretty good in the movie, but he's considerably better

than what he became in the Bendis run, in which the first issue of Bendis' run, he has a gun and he's saying, Blam, murdered you. Blam, murdered you blam murdered you which is just like you do not get this character at all

he's like a talking raccoon before that who like isn't actually a raccoon hates being called a raccoon has like is a really valuable

member of the team which they definitely brought back in the movie but like yeah he's there's a lot of great shit within that series that I think makes it one of my favourite runs ever cool spoiler yeah he's he there's a lot of great shit within that series that i i think

is makes it one of my favorite runs ever cool spoiler alert he's really good in the second one as well yeah i've seen it i'm bloody i've bloody seen it already yeah it's on friday um he has some really good moments i think yeah you'll did you like it as much as the first one or i oh i've got a review it's on my channel right now check it out guys how many arrows how many arrows seven no i i really i really how many things you missed i really no i really genuinely enjoyed it i thought it was great i'll link the review below but um everyone's probably gonna see it anyway but no it's definitely on tuesday yeah it's definitely worth checking out and the babysitters in nice i call my parents now that's all they are

to you uh have you guys seen History of Violence yes it's a good movie I think that movie is better because it's not as gross as the comic book

that precedes it which is real gross isn't he less violence more history so much more history just learning Viggo just goes to the library

every day and just is the comic where they find Viggo's old partner and they've just strung him up in a basement for 20 years and cut his arms and legs off? Yes.

But there's nothing like that in the movie? It's only been 19 years. Yeah. In the movie, it's just his brother, the guy, the head of the gang or what have you that's pursuing him, it's just his brother and it's William Hurt, I think. Okay, right, yeah. But, yeah, I don't know.

It's a good movie. Sure. Yeah. I don't know whether it's better or not. I couldn't tell you. I just wanted to throw that out there. We spoke about the DC animated movies briefly earlier. Sure, yeah.

And one of the ones that I think is undoubtedly better is... Killing Joke. Fuck no. One that I think is almost as good good but it's my favorite comic ever so it can't be anywhere near as can i guess yes is it the new frontier yes starman cook's new frontier my favorite comic ever um highly recommended to anyone who likes comics fun and life um but uh the animated movie does a great job of adapting parts of it in a small 70 minute time frame but the dc movie that i think does the best job of actually improving on the comic that it's based off of by simplifying

the story is under the red hood yeah yeah sure that's i love that's a great movie which is the story of um uh of uh jason todd coming back um jason Todd being the famously voted to be killed Robin. Yep. And he comes back as the Red Hood. And when that original run that was written by Judd Winick, it's really good, but it ties into a ridiculous, you know, universe-changing event. So basically Jason Todd gets brought back to life because Superman,

Superboy Prime punches reality. That's right. And like the book is great except for this moment where you have to just accept that that's a thing that happened. And I know I am someone who has previously said 10 minutes ago that all comic books should be celebrated. But that shit is so stupid. It's the worst. And it pulls you right out of a good story. Because all the elements were in place that you could just bring back Jason Todd.

Sorry to interrupt the podcast, everybody. It's James here from the future. I just thought I'd let everybody know that in about 30 seconds, sorry, in the next 30 seconds, there's going to be a few C-bombs dropped. I know that's probably not a big deal for most people, but I thought, hey, why not let you know in case you want to skip forward or you've got kids in the car or whatever. So heads up, I'll time code it as well. But anyway, on with the show. Let's, I'm going. Because in the comic, like Batman even goes and visits Ra's al Ghul

and he's like, did you do this cunt? Yeah. And Ra's al Ghul's like, nah, I didn't. Yeah. Chill. Yeah, right. Clearly someone punched reality. Why'd you call me that?

And, but then in the comic, sorry, in the movie, he said, did you do this, cunt? Yes, I did, cunt. Yeah. God, the in-laws, you know what I mean? I know, yeah. So hostile. Christmas is real awkward.

Yeah, I think they have since retconned it maybe in the comic books that there is no more reality punching, which is for the best. Until reality puncher rebirth comes out. Yeah, right. Good stuff. Men in Black. What's that? No one's ever read that comic.

I've read it. I've read the first issue. It was in Malibu Comics. I had to send away for it. Oh, really? What did you have to send away? There's a really good animated series of Men in did you have to send away there's a really good animated series

of Men in Black that's true so it was there's a really good Will Smith song yeah there is the second one second one's better

Black Suit's coming yeah that's right nod your head yeah and I I think I can't remember I had to I think I had to buy

another Malibu comic and clip the clip the back and then send in my order for Men in Black and Malibu Comics of course is an entire comic book universe based off of a whole song right?

yeah that's right which one? Celebrity's Discovery is it better? absolutely not it was from that generic era it was from the 90's where everything was super generic and

yeah also jay's white in it and blonde oh yeah okay good great sure uh what else we got here um this is my trump card uh kingsman i don't like it when this podcast gets political all i'm saying is just hear him out uh kingsman i think is better and i think a lot of that has to do with the art from the secret service isn't it's a bit it's a little flat and generic and i think it could be more fantastical in the way that the movie was and it's just kind of everybody kind of looks like a guy in a suit dave gibbons is a great artist in my humble opinion when he's when he's drawing fantastical people and your dr manhattan's and your silk specters but when he's drawing fantastical people and you're Dr. Manhattans and you're Silk Spectres,

but when he's just drawing regular people, they all look exactly the same. What do you think of that, Levins? I think the movie is really good until that fucking anal sex joke at the end. That's so weird. It's the worst. But then I finished it, I was like,

was that in the comic? I haven't re-read it since. I don't think so. Surely not. No, I don't think so. That is the, like, I was like, man, that movie was pretty good. And then it just... Then it just hit you late you're going to the fridge late at night for some

for some leftovers you're like oh no that reference that was the worst very bizarre but yeah but i think i think i genuinely think that's a yeah i'm not i'm not really sure what again it's mark miller he doesn't he kills his darlings he doesn't care what happens To his properties He's like sure make it Starlight's really good everybody If you want a five issue Five issue mini series About an old man Going into space Yeah

Great stuff Exactly Never turn that into a movie Everyone I think they are doing that Yeah too late It's happening Hey Mark Miller

Don't turn one of your properties Into a movie Not happening A lot of these things I reckon Like he makes like Crononauts all this stuff

I think he makes he does like four or five issues so it can become they're all movie pictures basically. Nothing wrong with that. Good on him mate.

What was I talking about? Can't remember. Kingsman. When are they going to make Clint the movie which is his horrible comic book magazine. His 2000 AD

his very own. Is that still going? I don't know. He's got Miller World. You know it's called Clint because it looks... James, imagine the word Clint. Yeah, you can. Put a couple of the letters too close together.

No one would ever say the word that it looks like on this podcast. No, we would never. That would be outrageous. But Kingsman, yeah, it's... It's super fun. I'm not sure what he was aiming for with the original because it's quite generic. No, I get it, but I think it's a better story

than the art is it's credit for. Yeah, the new one is very Bond homage and just crank it up to the nth degree, but keep it British and keep it ridiculous. Exactly. And the two main characters don't look exactly the same. Yeah, that's true. They don't look like they could be the same age.

You're right. All right, what about Scott Pilgrim? Scott Pilgrim is a really good movie until the last act which is the act that they had to finish without reading the that's right because it wasn't finished yet right and the final book is so much more impressive and fun and like a much better ending and i hate the ending to scott pilgrim the movie what's the can you fill us in on the end of the comic again? Like the kind of similar, it's just the, the, the like he gets, he realizes that he has an extra life while he's,

while he's fighting. It's way more fun and self-referential. And he doesn't at any point think he should have ended up with knives, which is a real dumb moment. And Ramona isn't like vapid and crap. Yeah. She's pretty. Crappid. Yeah. Brandon Rath's great in And Ramona isn't like vapid and crap. Yeah, she's pretty crappid. Brandon Rath's great in it though, isn't he?

He's very good, as is Chris Evans. I love Chris Evans' moment in that. He's very good in that. Especially the action movie that he's a part of. That's actually hilarious. Incredible. Probably my favourite comic book ever. Whatever happened to that guy?

It was just that and Human Torch and then he disappeared. You know what he did do, though? Snowpiercer, which I think is a manga. It's out. It's out. Yeah, Snowpiercer's great. Was he in The Losers as well? Yes.

He was in The Losers, yeah. We like that. I like The Losers a lot, but it's not better than the comics. But it is better than the A-Team movie that came out the same year, probably. I'm checking if I've got anything else on here. And Chris Evans, of course, fanlessly played Mr. T in that. That's right. Yes, he did.

I think I've got... My list is done, I think. Oh, Age of Ultron. Nah. Oh, no, that's definitely better. Even though it's a terrible movie, it's way better than the comic. Yeah, I don't think that... That comic sucks.

Yeah, it's bizarre. All right, that wins. So we won on a terrible movie. A terrible movie wins. Yeah, good. That's the rules of the game baby have you got any good ones Mesa? Legion's pretty good

so yeah but I was never a huge fan of Legion well there's not much to be a fan of yeah exactly right yeah he was the instigator of the age of apocalypse that's all I know him of well the X-Men Legacy run

which was written by Simon Spurrier a while ago and that is basically him dealing with the death of his father that's an unbelievable run and it has like him that all of the different personalities in his mind is like it's like in a jail cell yeah he has to like try and catch them before he has their powers that's all that's an amazing run it probably is better than the tv show but i love that tv show yeah absolutely solid on all accounts and like if they make more comic book adaptations like that which is like okay here are the parts of the comic book I liked yeah let's just do something crazy based off of that small idea yeah but then as I say that I'm like oh my god look what they did with Preacher right yeah it's like that was I stopped that was

yeah unwatchable yeah I mean we have a serious issues Facebook group and I get belittled all the time for not watching more than the pilot of that. But I just like, I watched a few and I didn't, I can't, I didn't love it. That's the thing. Like comics are not boring.

And the good ones, most of the good, like almost like even the bad ones aren't boring. They're just dumb. Right. And I, I, it just confuses me to no end that,

that a comic book adaptation can be boring. And so when one is like the recent Iron Fist series, for example, I would rather just go and read some comics. Oh, really? I don't think you're fine with it. Okay, fair enough. Well, that's all my list. If anyone's got any other lists, feel free to add to the list.

Come and yell at me on the internet. Yeah, please do. Dear listeners. I love how this is what you chose to come on and do. Just be like, you know what? I'm going to attack everything that everybody loves I love it But also, you're doing it in the name of comics

I am, it's a fair thing What are people going to bloody do? And content That's right Do you think there will ever come a day When there's a movie adaptation of something That will become better than the comic book? I mean, are there movie adaptations

Are there movie adaptations of like novels That are better than the comic book. I mean, are there movie adaptations... Other than the examples that we named. But go on. Are there movie adaptations of, like, novels that are better than the novels? American Psycho, the movie, is better than the novel. Okay. Yeah. I mean, probably. I haven't read it. Bram Stoker's Dracula.

Yep, much better. Mm-hmm. Yeah. All right. So, you know what? What is the one with Scout and the Mockingbird? Von Fleur over the Mockingbird? No. Um, Von Flew Over the Mockingbird? Yeah, Von Flew Over the Mockingbird.

Mockingjay part two. Von Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. No, no. What's the Mockingbird one? Um, To Kill a Mockingbird. To Kill a Mockingbird. Von Flew Over the Mockingbird. Oh, I'll just take away my podcast license for everything.

That, that movie is way better than the book. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. How about this? If people, uh, have an example of something that they feel is better, they could, uh, hit us up on than the book. Okay, fair enough. Yeah. How about this? If people have an example of something that they feel is

better, they could hit us up on Twitter. Comic book, if you will. Yeah. Add us all on Twitter.

Yeah. Yeah, not anything. At Mr. Sunday Movies. I think free-range eggs are better than cage eggs. Fight me.

Fight me. At Mr. Sunday Movies, at Wikipedia Brown, at Lev Dawg. Do you want to spell that? It's because it's not

L-E-V-D-A-W-G. It's not the way your grandma spells Dawg. You better believe it. Yeah. So if you've got some good examples, yeah, we'd bloody love to hear about it. There's got to be one. There's got to be an obscure one, surely. Didn't we got some in there, right?

Yeah, totally. H-Voltron is the winner, as we've established. Sure, okay. What have I done? There's probably a Russian one that's better than the comic book. Night Watch, Day Watch? Is that a comic book? Probably.

Is that good? No, it's terrible. It's real bad. All right, that'll do it. Let's do the What We Reading, What We Reading. There's probably a Russian one that's better than the comic book. Nightwatch Daywatch? Is that a comic that good? No, it's terrible. All right, that'll do it. Let's do the what we're reading, what we're going to read. But we've got a very special... In the grand tradition of me sometimes playing a thing from my phone, I guess Levins is going to play a little thing from his phone. So this is something that you said,

you mentioned this on a previous podcast. My son, who is three, his name is Archie. He, when we get a book to read, he sings a certain song that you guys sing every week. So this is Archie's version of your famous theme song for this bit. Hooray. Bravo. Thank you, Archie. Very good. Now go to bed. What are we doing today? Hooray! Bravo! Thank you Archie.

Very good. Now go to bed. Yeah. Get out of here. It's nice to be able to fly down. Anyone want to kick this off? Did you read anything throughout the course of the week? Yeah. Okay.

I just read one of my favorite writers is Jeff Lemire. Yeah. Artist and writers. He is best known for I guess Underwater Welder Underwater Welder sure

which is going to be turned into another terrible adaptation soon with Ryan Gosling oh actually that gives me hope I love the guys yeah

but you know Old Man Logan is something he's written he's written stuff he's a stuff of Valiant he wrote that Animal Man yeah really good that everyone loved

he's just got a brand new graphic novel out called Roughneck and it's just got a brand new graphic novel out called roughneck and it's about a uh a disgraced hockey player and uh being reunited with his uh estranged sister and i've read that in my hotel room today does that tie into anything like sweet tooth that was an ex-hockey player as well i mean he's jeff lemire is canadian so hockey just seeps into all things he does Sweet Tooth's great by the way I love Sweet Tooth also The Button

has the issue that came out this week was a Batman 20 or something that has four pages of Batman watching a hockey match

oh really yeah great why don't they call it The Puck I feel like we're going to get a whole lot of stuff from him

like adapted like real soon all of Tom King's stuff no sorry Jeff Lemire oh yeah yeah no yes yeah yeah he's man he's he's he's a very incredible writer black hammer is a series that he's right yeah i was just gonna i was just gonna say that's that's on my list of uh things to read this week i've got one like week left of holidays and there's no comedy to take up that's right yeah so you can do whatever you want so neck myself or read the

black hammer which is what i'm gonna do there's a couple of trades out right i think you should make yourself okay cool and it's it's form it's from what i gather because i you've recommended many times on your podcast serious issues it's it's uh it's former superheroes who are trapped in a you know in like a boring country town and they can't escape. Right. And no one knows why they're there or do they? Oh. Yeah. It's a really, really cool series. Beautiful art by Dean Ormston.

But normally Jeff Lemire draws his own stuff as well. Yeah, right. And he's got another series out called Royal City. He put out an issue of Moon Knight, an issue of Black Hammer, an issue of Royal City and a graphic novel, like a 200-something page. How does he do it? Does he not have a family?

Does he not have a family? He probably has got like eight kids. He's probably one of those people. He's good at everything. He makes the kids do everything. You know what I really liked as well? Trillium. Oh, yeah, that was great too.

First issue especially. You know what I liked of Jeff and Lear's? Lear's. Bloodshot USA. Just kidding. It wasn't very good. No, it wasn't good. That's right

you read that for your show didn't you yeah that was that was but like in comparison to some of the other books I made you read that was pretty good

it's true yeah but Kiss and Slayer weren't in it yeah that's right oh what a world what a bloody world I watched Fargo season 1 oh have you not

watched that before no no no sorry episode 1 season 3 oh fuck it's out no no it is oh that Fuck, it's out? No. No, it is. Oh.

That's great. It's new season. Ewan McGregor's in it. It's the girl from Scott Pilgrim's in it. The one that we don't like. Yeah, no, no. She's amazing. Yeah, she's really good.

She has three names. What's her name? Mary Elizabeth Winstead. What? I was half. Natasha Stock Despoia. I don't know. No, she's... Mary Elizabeth Winstead

yeah she's good in The Thing prequel she's great in Sky High which is a very underrated superhero movie I love Sky High I'm all about Sky High man but no it's

it's Fargo it's great of course it is so she's also great in what's the horror franchise where

Cloverfield no no they they cheat death and then death tracks them down. Final Destination. She's in the third one of that. Oh man, you got Final Destination.

Don't they get good? Yeah. They're always good. They're all good. The second one has my favorite horror death ever where a kid gets crushed by a pane of glass. Awesome. That sounds cool to you.

That sounds real cool. Yeah, you better believe it does. That's my dream to be crushed and escape this reality. What else is everybody reading? Anyone else? Nah, that's about it. Yeah? I'm about to finish Zelda Breath of the Wild.

I've got like two shrines to go. You and Angus are bloody well into that. Calamity, Ganon's Butt. How many hours have you put into that? I like 120 or something crazy. Wow. That's a very good game. Handheld or screen?

I reckon 90% handheld. 3D? As a dad, it's the best way to play. Sure. Because I can play it on the can, on a train, in bed, after my wife tells me to come to bed. It's great. You know what?

What I admire is your restraint that you've gone this entire episode without saying, as a dad. You could have prefaced every single thing today with, listen, as a dad, I think the best comic book adaptation is this, but you haven't. I respect it.

I was going to, I was going to like, just try and sabotage this and just make James talk about father stuff. Cause I've been loving, I've been loving that seeping into the podcast. Now that you're allowing it. If there's one thing that I hate, it's other dads.

And I don't mean like you, I mean like you get the dad at the park and he's like, best job in the world. And I'm like, fuck off. Get the fuck out of my you. I mean like you get the dad at the park and he's like, best job in the world. I'm like, fuck off. Get the fuck out of my face. I want to talk to regular people and my friends. Anyway. I just wanted to talk to James about fatherhood and CrossFit.

I bloody bet you would. Listen, man. CrossFit's okay. I do F45. Yeah. Okay, cool. Oh, no. We're sworn enemies.

Nah, man. Honestly, like it's keep fit, everybody. It's important. Whatever you choose. And if you're in your 20s, which I reckon 90% of you are, start today. Yeah, absolutely. Because when you start when you're 32, that shit is very hard. That's right.

Everybody's way faster. Our knees are very rickety. That's right. You can't tell. My fucking knees, they hurt. Yeah, yeah. Good stuff. All right, next segment, Nick Mason. Oh, straight from from the phone did you get your kid to do this yeah this is my kid

i don't know what's happening here he's dead you could crush my pane of glass can i do the fart? We're going to do letters. Oh, very good. Very good. Stereo. Okay, I've got some letters. Mason, do you have a letter?

Not right now. Yeah, surprise. But if you want to reach the show, you can email weeklyplanetpod at gmail or hashtag weeklyplanetpod on Twitter and we will answer your questions. JT Purcell wants to know if we have any tattoos or body piercings.

I'll inspect both of them now. Yep. Yes. No, they're clean, everybody. I'm free. I'm not against them. I like a good tattoo, but I couldn't think of anything that I'd put on my body. You've had many lives as men who would have tattoos.

That's right. I used to be always featured in articles where it would be like,'s chefs they listen to hip-hop they've got tattoos i never had tattoos yeah so no nothing no nothing never a piercing or yep i wanted to get my eyebrow piece my mom told me that was very likely that if you got your if they if they slip up and pierce the wrong part the whole side of your face ips. I heard that as well. That's not true though. I've never met anyone who has had that horror story. Yeah, that's right.

Would you guys get a tattoo, like a pop culture tattoo or anything like that? I almost got the word boobs tattooed on my arm when I was like 19. And also one time when I was in Adelaide, I almost got the face of my friend who I was in Adelaide with tattooed on my arm. Wow. Thankfully I didn't do either. Yeah, that's a shame. I should Adelaide with tattooed on my arm. Wow. But thankfully I didn't do either.

Yeah, that's a shame. I should have got his boobs tattooed on. Absolutely. Where, like, forearm? Upper arm? Yeah, like, you know, this part. Okay. What do you think is the best spot for a tattoo?

Probably forearm. Okay, yeah. But then you can't hide it if you're going through a high banking position. Across the forehead. Jared Leto style. You're ready if it's going for a high banking position. Not now, obviously. We've ruined our careers

I feel there's two schools of thought and it's people who are like okay this significant thing happened in my life and I'm going to commemorate it on me or somebody who's like I love cheese sandwiches I'm going to eat a cheese sandwich but I'm in neither of those camps I love a dumb tattoo first of all nothing significant has ever happened to me

and second of all I hate dairy it's not true none of those things are true james has um best job in the world tattooed across his forehead you better believe it okay here's here's a hypothetical how much money would each of you require to get a love heart yeah one of those cartoon love hearts and then a scroll and then the scroll says podcasting or content yeah content how much money yeah it would have to be money where i wouldn't have to and then a scroll and then the scroll says podcasting. Or content. Yeah, content. How much money? Yeah.

It would have to be money where I wouldn't have to work. Wow. Yeah. I feel Evans would do it for free. All right. Well, you've got boobs on your arm so it wouldn't surprise me. I was in Adelaide.

What else do you do in Adelaide? Let's get our friend Tommy Gaslow to do it. What did he get? He has a dolphin with boobs. He pretty much has the tattoo that I said I was going to get. Yeah, incredible. Good on him.

So not the word boobs. No, no, no, the word boobs. The word boobs, okay. Great. So good. Here's a tweet for you, Mason and Levens. Can I get your opinions on the Speed Racer movie? Because it feels like I'm tripping on acid.

Manga doesn't count. I've never seen it. I could not get through it. It's so boring. Wow. Yeah, it's real, real boring. Our friends over at the Blank Slate Movie Podcast, Alexi and Cam, they just did an episode on it.

Okay. They share a lot of my thoughts. They love it. That's right. They enter into my brain and they steal my thoughts. But this tinfoil hat will stop it. Absolutely. But I don't know.

I just, it's an interesting attempt at something. What that something is, I don't know. And I do not care for it. Is there a monkey in it? Yes. All right then. Yeah. You haven't seen it, Levins?

No. If they pulled out the monkey subplot, they've gotten rid of that, just cleaned up some of the subplots. You need the monkey. It's an uncanny valley situation because there's no actual car racing happening at any point. I almost bought all the Lego sets

based off of the Speed Racer franchise on Gumtree for like 200 bucks. You're mad on Lego sets. And now it's like, nah. What am I doing? Yeah. Spend $200 on other Lego sets instead. Exactly.

Sorry, go on. Well, I was going to say, this is from Nick Taylor. I think maybe we've spoken of this before, but I'd like to get Levin's input on this. Sure. Hey, guys, long-time listener. All agreed? We're all in agreement?

Disagree. I don't know, right? Kevin Feige has said that what comes after Infinity War is going to be completely different. It's pronounced Fieri, by the way. Oh, you would know from your years in the restaurant business. What do you all expect to see or would like to see for Phase 4? Same characters, different characters, individual films

instead of a combined universe. I'd like to see more team-ups. I mean, this is jumping the gun a little because we haven't seen it yet, but I can't imagine it's terrible. Yes. More wacky team-ups. Absolutely. Thor Ragnarok i think put stark in space

put him with the guy kill stark kill stark yeah yeah i think we're gonna get a lot of we're gonna get they've been building the comics towards swapping out like the hulk and iron man i think we're gonna be getting replacement actors at some point in the near future okay so do you think we're gonna get an amadeus cho potentially yeah that's not that comic's no good. Pretty much all the other swapped roles I'm fine with but that one I don't like. In your face, that guy. I like Amadeus Cho as a character. I would like to see fewer origin

stories. Or if there's going to be an origin story I want a two minute origin story. Because at this point I think we all understand how the system works. You're a normal human being and then you fall into a vat of toxic waste or you get your heart shot out or whatever. And then they put you back together and you're a superhero.

There doesn't necessarily have to be a, an enduring moral lesson in that. You don't have to be like, Oh, now that I've got a new heart, I realized that I was a being a bit selfish. You can just be like, I'm a normal guy.

And now I've got powers. Well, Dr. Strange is one of the best phase one Marvel movies. That's really. Yeah. So no, absolutely, I completely agree. I want to see a Nova Corps movie.

Yeah. Because all coppers are dogs, but put them in space, that's what I'm all about. Yeah. I love Space Police. Yeah. Green Lantern didn't do it. No.

I mean, it looks like all the Nova Corps have been destroyed after the first Guardians movie. Yeah, I was very sad that Peter Serafinowicz died at the end. Yeah, he's great. That sucks. I reckon he's not really dead, maybe. He did explode. I don't know.

But you didn't literally see his eyes being squeezed out of his head, so maybe he's... Like what happens to all the other guys that die in Marvel movies. That's right, yeah. I'd love to see him back. I'd like to see more space-based stuff. More John C. Reilly. There's so much universe to explore there. I would love to see a solo Loki movie, like the Agent of Asgard.

Okay, yeah. Maybe just him, just Tom Fullering through all the realms. I want to see more of the Thor realms. I love Thor. Yeah. Have you been a fan of the Thor movies? I am a dark world apologist. Okay, sure.

I actually thought it was a really fun movie. It is fun. There's nothing to it, but it's fun. Yeah. Malekith's shit I agree I think Loki and Thor are really good in that movie I think that movie is fine

yeah but I think Ragnarok is going to blow both of them out oh absolutely I'm a big with T.T. head yeah sure he didn't like

Hunt for the Wilderpeople you're a fucking crazy person it's fine it's fine everybody it's fine have you seen What We Do in the Shadows? Yes, I love that.

I think it's great. All right, all right. What about Evil vs. Shark? I haven't seen that one, actually. It's depressing, but it's good. Boy, boy, same boat. Ew. Boy's good.

Ew. Yeah. All right. That was from Nick, by the way, that first tweet that I read about Speed Racer. I don't know. I don't remember.

Did I? I was thinking about that. Yeah, I don't know. I want to see... I just want to see them just not do origin. I agree with you. Just don't do origin. Just throw us in the middle of things.

Just show us some crazy shit. Stop worrying about all the movies tying into together as much. Yep. Like, don't worry about setting up the next thing. Just, I don't know, just give us a bunch of weird shit. Yeah, totally. Don't give us a Black Widow film, but not an origin one and not a tragic backstory. Where a universe was removed or whatever. Give us a Black Widow film where not an origin one and not a tragic backstory one where she's in

give us a Black Widow film where she's an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. she goes on a crazy mission and he's just diffused some bombs no dialogue it's just all

that would be great actually a Her and Bucky movie would be pretty sweet Winter Soldier movie don't you think like if you're talking Team Ups Mason which you were

you said that yeah I love Team Ups yeah what do you think of that they're good alright is that Her and Buffy no Bucky oh Bucky

oh yeah of course the three characters go together like peanut butter and jelly that's right like I don't know James and Maceo

the best podcast team thanks Mason this is from Dara am I the only one who's annoyed that Star Wars has names like Kylo, Anakin, Mace

Galen and then it's just Luke what do you guys think now that I think about it now I'm livid actually Ace, Galen, and then it's just Luke. What do you guys think? Now that I think about it, now I'm Livid, actually. Is there another regular name? No, Livid's my Star Wars name. Oh, very good.

Livid Bolton. Is there a... Well, there's a Rose in The Last Jedi, but we don't know whether it's spelled like R-O-Z-E or what they wrote. R-O-W-S. Yeah yeah that's a better way to spell it I guess it was the 70s and they're like Luke's a boy's name that people can relate to there's also a denim jacket in that movie

so it's the 70s man what do you want from it it is weird I don't have anything else to say anyone got anything else to say? I'm trailing off here somebody say something jump in help me out Star Wars yeah you're right all right that's the show for this

week where can people find us Mason do the thing at the end of the show oh you can find us on a weekly planet pod on Facebook and Gmail and Twitter and band camp I'm at Wikipedia

Brown on Twitter I'm at Mr. Sunday movies our friend Rob Collins is at the weekly planet on Twitter mm-hmm let me see if you want to help support the show you can go to weekly planet wait you can go to weekly planet

wait you can go to patreon.com slash Mr. Sunday Movies you can go to our Amazon affiliate link which is in the episode description

you click on there you can buy yourself something fun Star Wars you can buy yourself stuff thank you Levins you can buy yourself

Star Wars you can get the Speed Racer Lego set Speed Racer Lego set on Amazon it's probably the

same price we get a kickback somehow it's amazing we've got teas on teapublic.com Levins Speed Race and Lego Set. Speed Race and Lego Set on Amazon. It's probably the same price. We get a kickback somehow. It's amazing. Yeah. We've got teasontpublic.com. Levins, where can people find you, though?

So I've got three podcasts online. Oh, no. You can go find them. One of them is called Hey Fam. That's like a real budget version of this. I was going to say it's this, but it's got cooler hosts. Yeah. You don't even have a regular room to record in. You have to do it in public.

We can record it in sports bars sometimes. And we never talk about sports. Except the bartender at the sports bar is increasingly more interested in what we talk about each episode.

Really? We think we might have everyone as a guest soon. Very cool. So hey fam and then the serious issues is the podcast happens to be

on a very wonderful broadcasting network. Nerdist. Oh, what? Son of a bitch. Yeah, Serious Issues every week. Me and Siobhan Coombs read a whole lot of comics. A lot of people say they'd like to hear us talk more about comics.

If you want that, this is kind of the podcast to check out for that. And, in fact, you both have been on it talking about comics. So go back and listen to those episodes. And I have a food based podcast called The Mitchin every week we have a great segment called What Are We Eating?

What Are We Gonna Eat? Do you really? No I've never listened to it I would be like that's incredible but it's you know if you are a chef

or in the hospitality industry it's about that I don't know it seems or if you just love it to eat yeah or if you love to eat we all yeah yeah or if you love to eat

we all love to eat um but uh james when you were on serious issues with me i remember um in this very room we both complained about there not being enough western comics i just want to give a little shout out to yeah yeah uh a guy who uh a listener travis alexander um who inspired by our conversation decided to write his own comic book called Grey Coyote there's no weird supernatural twists it's just all cowboys all Indians

all the way yeah and it's called Grey Coyote it's on Kickstarter it's got a week left and he's pretty far away from reaching his goal but I reckon whack-a-da-doos

yeah if you want to see that happen then we do yeah yeah that'd be great so if you look up Grey Coyote on Kickstarter or if you head over to the Serious Issues

Facebook group which is facebook.com slash group slash Serious Issues podcast we've got that link there

and you can also talk about comics with us all day but support this cool comic because it looks really good he's got an artist

involved it looks really good I hope he is able to make this work and you love creator like you always give them a shot

don't you for anything you're reading like for that if your comic has number one written on it we'll read it

yeah oh sorry you normally even if you don't like it you go two in that's right if it's a creator

owned one yeah I mean if it's a superhero comic and the first issue sucks good luck to you yeah

if you're a creator owned I'll give you a chance yeah nah that's awesome good on him I'll also link that below as well sweet as all right that's it that's everything that's everything in the show right that's what we're talking about yeah we gotta do a commentary this week as well this week what are you gonna commentate uh probably the tennis yeah is it

wimbledon yet i don't know maybe guardians i know you want to do my origins all right guardians is nearly yeah we're gonna do it we're gonna keep keep get a timely timely Mason it's always time for Wolverine Origins never has been thank you for using your veto power Levins give me a one

you've used your one for your next time you come in alright anyway thanks for coming no you didn't come down for this

specifically but thanks for driving out here and I justified the trip by coming on here it was work also if you'd like to if you're a fan of Facebook,

you can also go to Tommy Dasolo memes on Facebook. If you want to see some sweet memes based on our friend Tommy Dasolo. It's facebook.com slash real egg hours. Is that right? Yeah. And we made a serious issues video for the Planet Broadcasting stream when you did that video. And I put a screenshot of Tommy's face in an egg yolk.

It's a very funny joke if you get it. I'm not going to explain it if you don't. But it was cut from the last video. Was it? Whoever was editing it didn't get the joke. No, it wasn't me. It was, I'll bloody have a word made. Get that put back in.

It'll cost thousands of dollars, but it'll be worth it. In 360, please. Yes, absolutely. All right. Thanks for listening, guys. get that put back in it'll cost thousands of dollars but it'll be worth it awesome or in 360 please yes absolutely alright thanks for listening guys grab that gem you guys see you next week bye

thanks for having me grab the jewels I fucked it up right at the end but that's a good that's one of those wrapping references oh is it

yes run the jewels somebody make us a run the jewels art I would like appreciate that run the gem yeah if you could FX is the veil Somebody make us a Run the Jewels art. I would like to appreciate that. Run the gem. Yeah, if you could.

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