The Weekly Planet - 185 Prometheus & The Bad Alien Films (with Sam Loy)

Episode Date: May 15, 2017

This week we’re joined by a real journalist and person, Sam Loy from the Human Ordinary Podcast. He drops by to talk the not so crash hot alien films in what is his favourite franchise of all time.We also talk the Judge Dredd TV series, Hellboy getting a reboot, The New Mutants casting, Blade Runner 2049 and more!Find Sam Loy’s Human Ordinary here: https://goo.gl/jCcX7YFollow him on social media: https://www.facebook.com/humanordinarypodcastAlien Covenant Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0McqvN-njUGuardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 Deleted Scenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRj0mt3-80g5:06 Judge Dredd TV Series12:00 Hellboy reboot19:41 The New Mutants casting22:39 Blade Runner 204934:54 Alien Covenant Sequel37:15 The Bad Alien Films (with Sam Loy)1:34:46 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read1:39:19 - 1:42:17 Riverdale Spoilers1:42:17 Letters It’s Time For Letters1:42:38 -1:45:04 Guardians 2 SpoilersAmazon affiliate link: https://amzn.to/2OEEq4WThe Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind our T-Shirts here: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet official podcast of comicbookmovie.com where we talk movies, comics, TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday. With me as always is my co-host Nick Masonason and i've got a dog you better believe it mate prepared to use it for what i'm gonna hurl it at you

fun adventure for the dog i'm a trouble for you baby i'm imagining like a soccer throw in two hands yeah okay good it's not there's not enough room for a punt is there no that's true we can go outside to a punt, is there? No, that's true. We can go outside and do a punt later if you're keen. You ready for that, dog? You love an adventure. Yeah, you better believe it. What's going on this week?

Oh, there's good news. There's a bunch of good news. Oh, well, mixed to good, I would say. Okay. I have a feeling I'm going to hate all this news. Nah, you'll like this one. All right. Dread TV series.

Oh, Mega City 1. It's going to be cool, right? It's going to follow an this news. Nah, you'll like this one. All right. Dread TV series. Oh, Mega City One. It's going to be called, right? It's going to follow an ensemble of judges. Now, we don't know whether it's going to be a continuation of the Carl Urbaniverse. Yes. But we do know that he retweeted it, which makes me think that at least he doesn't hate. He wants the job.

But someone tweeted at me, and I don't have your name in front of you, so I apologize, that he hated working on Almost Human, which was like a Blade Runner-esque, but a bit of a cleaner future where you get a replicant person as a partner. Okay, right. And the one that he got was an old one that had a bit of sass. Okay. It was actually pretty good. Yes. And they cancelled it, but apparently he was like,

TV's hard because it's like... Who said this? Carl Urban. Carl Urban, yeah. He was on that show. Yeah, he was the lead. It's a solid show, man. There you go.

So you're saying he hates TV? I'm saying the person tweeted me that said he said that. Oh, right. So take that and move on. A little game of telephone there. Who knows what he actually said? But if it's an ensemble, then maybe it's the kind of thing where he's not in every episode.

But I would prefer to it be Judge Dredd focused. Maybe, but I guess... But there's a good cast of other judges, isn't there? I guess that Judge Minty, Judge Anderson, Max Normal, not a judge, but he's a guy in it. Who's the one from the Dredd movie, the blonde one that Olivia Threlby plays? Yeah, maybe. Anyway, go on i was gonna say uh maybe

it'd be a better show without dread in every episode in the sense that dread is like i love drug judge dread but i feel he's kind of like you don't mason but he's kind of a one-note character in that yeah how much how much mileage you're gonna get out of every episode a man who has no mercy and no sense of humour and never takes his mask off. I'm thinking budgetary though. How do you have just guns blazing every episode? Like action set pieces like the movie. So you'd have to make it more procedural

with other judges doing day-to-day things and whatever. So I see what you mean. But you could take it in all sorts of directions. You can go into the wasteland. with other judges doing day-to-day things and whatever. So I see what you mean, yeah. But you can take it in all sorts of directions. You can go into the wasteland. You can go into a Megacity 1. Well, in that sense... You can go to those two places. You could go to East Meg 1, which is Russian Megacity.

You could go to BritCit, which is the British version. You'd think Meg City 1 is in Britain because it's a British series, but it's not. Isn't it a parody of American culture or whatever? Isn't that the idea? Got them.

But, so, based solely on that poster, it can't really be a continuation of the movie. Too clean? Too crisp? Well, it's, no, because the movie version

is very much more, that version of Mega City 1 is kind of a flat, like it's a flat plane right with a few big mega towers but the mega city one poster is more is mega city one as you see it in the comic books which is just every surface of the city is just 300 story skyscraper and it's and it's just layer upon layer of highway and yeah that sort of thing whereas mega city one's more like a it's detroit with buildings it's a detroit yeah it's slightly taller detroit yeah yeah sort of trees do you think they might actually do that version for

the the show though like because that because that's easier to do because you can film it on the streets you don't have to do cgi giant ramp ways and but that's what i mean but the poster yes but i'm saying that might not be an accurate ref oh you're saying they're lying to us i'm saying they're lying to us from from day dot wow yeah i think maybe what they might if it's entirely possible they'll do a combination of the two like they'll they'll bring in carl urban and they'll bring in the judge aesthetic from the movie, but they'll put them in the crazy comic book version. The wacky.

I'd appreciate that, I think. Absolutely. And like you said, they can go to those four locations, which is very exciting. Yep. But I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if he did do it or come back for a little bit, because Bradley Cooper was in- A little bit less for one episode. No, he came back a couple of times, I think.

Yeah. But that got cancelled. Yes, it did. I did. But was it good? I heard it was okay. It was certainly wackier than the movie. Yeah.

It was kind of fun. I just thought about it the other day. And? I'm like, hmm, I wonder how that wrapped up. And then I read the Wikipedia and I'm like, fine, I guess. I don't know. It's fine. None of the subplots were ever revealed, I guess. I don't know. It's fine. None of the subplots were ever revealed, I think.

Like what ultimately did Bradley Cooper's character want? I don't think we ever found out. Didn't he want to be the president or something? Yeah, but he could have just become the president. Yeah, by force. Yep. Is that how it works? Yeah.

Okay, good. Yelling the loudest. Yes. That's how you do it these days. I wasn't going to bring this up, but you were talking about cancelled shows. Powerless is gone. He's gone, do it these days I wasn't I wasn't going to bring this up But you Talking about cancelled shows Powerless is Is gone

He's gone That's true I think I watched two And I wasn't I wasn't like This is awful Yeah right But I was kind of like

I didn't like First season I say like too much I listen back to myself And I'm like Shut up Stop saying like But

So yeah Like You're in your own head about it I've drafted it The Office wasn't A great first season The US won Okay Stop saying like. But so yeah. You're in your own head about it. I've drafted it. The Office wasn't a great first season. The US won. Okay. Parks and Rec season one is not great either.

So maybe it could have merged into it. But apparently there was another, what's it called? Pilot for Powerless, which was more day-to-day and insurance and things like that. But then they changed it to be like, we're part wayne tech and yeah we make gadgets for batman accidentally or or whatever but i think if you stripped it back to that basic kind of core idea which apparently they showed it at comic-con and people really enjoyed it maybe people whoop i'm sure they bloody did they move your mic a little bit this way it's doing some popping and grinding what about like that i think that's a bit better okay good we'll see i'll let you. Yeah, what do you think though?

I think, well again, I watched one and a half or something like that. Yeah. And I think the key is we could go, oh, it didn't seem like a bad show, but then did we go back to it? No. Yeah, that's a really good point. So I guess it wasn't a good show. Yeah.

Yeah. But even with Parks and Rec and The Office, like I started them, I watched like the first one and I'm like, no. And then I came back when I heard it got better. Okay, right. Yeah, so, anyway, whatever. It's a shame because it's a really good cast as well. That's true, yeah.

So, there you go. Ron Funches. Alan Tudyk's Tudyk. Yes. Grumpy Lady. Danny Pudi. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, are you thinking of Vanessa Huds?

No, I'm thinking of a different Grumpy Lady. Ah, the blonde Grumpy Lady. Danny Poodie. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, are you thinking of Vanessa Huds? No, I'm thinking of a different Grumpy Lady. Ah, the blonde Grumpy Lady. Probably. Yeah. No, we saw one and a half. And Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back for season five. People are saying it's great. Maybe I should get back into it.

Nah. Okay, then. Well, Levens loves it. Levens is well into it. Yeah, that's true. And I love Coulson's bionic arm. Yeah. The S.H.I.E.L.D. generator.

How much do you think they use of that, though? Bearing in mind you haven't seen it since season two. No, no, I watched some episodes a while back. Remember when we watched some Ghost Rider episodes? That's right.

Don't say we, you. I did, yeah. Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Well, that's all exciting. Now this, I'm mixed on this next bit of news. Mixed because the project

was dead. Yes. And we're getting a different interpretation, which is sad that we're not getting part three. But, you know, I'll say what it is. How about that?

If you could. I'll just talk about what... If you could. Yeah. Hellboy is getting a reboot. Yeah, that's right. Mike Mignola tweeted that it's happening. It's underway.

So, Neil Marshall, who directed The Descent, which is a fantastic horror movie. You've seen it. In a cave. Creepy, crawly, white creepers in a cave if you'll stop talking I'll agree that I have seen it have you?

no you have seen it we saw it not true you're thinking of somebody else you're thinking of someone else that hasn't seen it oh

when you should be thinking of yourself of me who has seen it right I've definitely not seen it he did Game of Thrones some episodes of Game of Thrones he does the big ones

like Battle of Blackwater I think he did, and then whatever. He also did Centurion, and I know you've seen Centurion. The game where somebody drinks 100 shots of beer in 100 minutes? I don't think that's that difficult. People talk about, I've never done it, but it's not that much. It ends up being like... Sounds like a podcast challenge.

You know what? I think about it. Next week, Mr. Sunday Movies drinks 100 shots of beer in 100 minutes. I'm cutting back on my beer. I'm a vodka soda man. I don't need those calories in my life, Mason. I'm getting old. I can't keep this up forever.

Did you hear him lay down that challenge? Like, it can't possibly be that hard. I reckon anybody could do it. I mean, I would do it. But I'm cutting down alcohol. Fine, I'll do it. We'll do I would do it. But I'm cut down on alcohol, so... Fine, I'll do it. All right? We'll do it at some point.

No, not next week. But it must work out to be like eight beers in 100 minutes. And that is a lot. Oh, so you've changed your tune already. Yeah, I did the math. I mean, I don't know if that math is right. Anyway, what's this movie saying? Anyway, Centurion.

Michael Fassbender is a centurion. You've seen it. We saw it at the cinema None of these things are true What are you talking about? I've never seen that film Not the Channing Tatum one Where he's a Roman soldier

I haven't seen that either The one Michael Fassbender Gets stuck behind British lines Why would I have seen that? It's really good I mean it's solid

It's really solid It was before Fassbender Was Fassbender Oh right It was a little bit before The one where he's the German guy who's not German and he hunts Nazis. Quentin Tarantino.

Inglourious Basterds. Trey Glasses. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, sure. Okay, good. You're really hanging me out to dry this episode, Mason. Yes. You're really calling me out on shit and hanging me out to dry.

Anyway, what was the point of that piece of news I lost the thread Neil Marshall will direct oh that's right it's got to star David Harbour of Stranger Things oh yeah

and apparently it's going to be a darker more gruesome version of Hellboy which I guess is more aligned with the comic

not that I've read much of that are you a fan I am a fan of the comic very good Mason you know there was a game on PSP a God of War style

is it in this box of PSP games that you presented me with just a minute ago no i got them from my parents house i went yeah i want these and i got them here and i'm like why did i will never turn this on again but now i have a retro game collection yeah you're too good on me yeah post about it on twitter you're a son of a bitch how do you feel about... A reboot. Yeah. You didn't love two, did you? No, I should revisit two. I really loved one. Yeah. See, I love two more than one.

Because I love Nazis being punched and stuff. Oh. It's pretty good. Yeah. And I love Perlman as Hellboy. Yeah. Can you turn your mic again a little bit? This way?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. What about now? Yeah, that seems better. Excellent. Whenever you do P's, it does a... Pa, pa, pa, pa, pa.

Yeah, it's doing it. Whatever. Yeah, nice. That's really good. Yeah, I seems better. Excellent. Whenever you do P's, it does a... Pa-pa-pa-pa-pa. Yeah, it's doing it. Whatever. Yeah, nice. That's really good. Yeah, I love Jeffrey Tambor as the administrator. Yeah. He was throwing some shade at Mike Mignola on Twitter. Was he really?

Earlier this week. What did he say? It was something about like... I think maybe he's just confused. It was like... Because Mike Mignola's backing this reboot because he created the character and why wouldn't he? And Jeffrey Tambor was like

you're kind of like betraying Guillermo del Toro on this because he made the movie and Ron Perlman because they made the movie what it is and a lot of people underneath were like I'm pretty sure Mike Mignola made Hellboy what it is because he created Hellboy

So you think he didn't know that he was the one that created it maybe? Maybe Jeffrey Tambor doesn't know that Mike Mignola created Hellboy. Yeah, and that's very possible. I mean, why would he, I guess? Maybe he was just on set. They thought he was just like a script consultant or something. Okay, right. Let me look up the budget for Hellboy 2.

Okay. Because do you remember very recently, Guillermo del Toro went to the studios and he's like right last last ditch effort this is happening i'm gonna final push for hellboy 3 and he got knocked back yes and the reason i guess is because well hellboy 2 made 160 million in the box office but it cost 85 and you're double marketing or whatever it would have so they made nothing would have barely made any money uh and even though it was well-received, people didn't go and really see it, obviously.

It didn't turn out in droves for it. But if you make a $40 million version of that, you do like a Dread or a John Wick budget or something like that, you make $120. You've made your money back. I guess that's true. So when they say dark and gritty, they mean all they're going to do is the Hellboy suit,

and then he's going to face off against vampires or something. Yes. So just regular people that are very pale. And that is a shame. But, you know, characters get rebooted. We've had, how many Batmans have we had in our lifetime? Two. Go on.

Adam West. Yep. And Michael Keaton. Yeah. You went a life. Adam West and Michael Keaton. Yeah. Adam West and Michael Keaton from the castle. So it's West, Kilmer, Clooney, Bale, Affleck. West doesn't count as our lifetime. What did I say?

Sorry, not West. Who's the first one? Keaton. Keaton, Kilmer, Clooney, Bale, Affleck. Five. Yeah. And the animated one. And the animated one and the animated one

Kevin Conroy yeah exactly so I take this as I mean it sucks that that story isn't continuing but that movie and Lego Batman and Lego Batman

that's right you know that movie's now nearly ten years old like when and instead of doing Hellboy 3 you want to get people

back on board for a movie that for a franchise then maybe you gotta start from scratch yeah I don, you want to get people back on board for a movie that, for a franchise, then maybe you've got to start from scratch. Yeah. I don't really want to see a re-origin telling thing. Just kick it off.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And that way you don't have to show hell, ultimately. Exactly. And look, it is, and Ron Perlman did an amazing job. It would have been great to get him back, but you can't reboot it and then put him back in it really can you unless you let's they did that for ghost rider if that was a reboot right i don't i don't know but anyway but but i think i think hellboy in the comic books has gone in enough different directions like there's been some big world-spanning stories and there's been

some teeny little stories yeah so why not put in a teeny little story yeah and see if people jump on it and if they do maybe you can do a bigger budget one later. So you're on board then? Yes. But Mike Mignola, if you could not betray the property, that would really help. Absolutely. You dog. You piece of shit.

Good. It's a good suit, isn't it? Do you reckon they're going to make the Hand of Doom on the right hand this time? On the left hand? Wait, it's the wrong hand in the movie the left hand wait it's a it's the wrong hand in the movie isn't it they switched it or is it i'm fairly certain i can't remember anymore it's it's it's the opposite of whatever it is in the comics because ron perlman is the opposite of what it is in the comics i thought i i remember it being that they thought they were

going to have to but then it turned out he could use either hand okay maybe there you go we'll never know and there's no time to look it up. I mean, there's literally all the time in the world, but I'm not going to do it. Don't at us. Never. At Wikipedia Brown, at Mr. Sunday Movies, but do not. Do not at us about it.

I've got some casting for the new X-Men movie, The New Mutants. That's right. It's coming out next year. Maisie Williams will be Wolfsbane. Anya Taylor-Joy will be Magic. So Anya Taylor-Joy looks a lot like Magic, so that's good. And Maisie Williams, close enough, and she's going to be covered in wolf fur, so it doesn't matter.

Do you think it's going to be that Jennifer Lawrence situation where you've got a serum sometimes where you're Maisie Williams, but other times if you get too angry, you become a Wolf's Bane? You become hairy Maisie Williams. Yeah. Yeah, probably. Okay. Good, I guess. Pretty good. Yeah. the times if you get too angry you become a wolf's you become hairy maisie williams yeah almost yeah probably okay good i guess pretty good yeah i i mean good in the sense that that's they they seem like it seems like good casting yeah bad in the sense that it's for an x-men movie and how good's

that going to be we you just don't it's it's a flip of a coin exactly isn't it right you get logan you get apocalypse you know you get deadpool you get whatever another example is you know a bad one yeah bad example so no i think this one might be all right because i feel like it's got more personality and from what i've seen from it than the standard x brian singer x-men movies you know what i mean did you see that animatic of the giant bear oh yeah we talked about the giant bear. That was pretty sweet. So say what you will about that animatic, Mason, but it was a good animatic. Agreed.

Okay. Have you seen Anya Taylor-Joy in anything of note? She's in a split. I've seen her in a very thumbnail-sized photo of herself next to a very small thumbnail picture of Magic the character from X-Men new mutants and you give that and i went pretty close hundred thumbs up yeah okay that's very interesting so she was in splits which is in split movie i haven't said she's in the witch which i've been meaning to watch i've got a copy of apparently it's very good did you watch the witch no it's

a spooky horror movie set in there's a witch also set in the woods and date and finch from the offices in it oh cool a lot of people like you should see that they were like the witch it's a witch also set in the woods and Finch from The Office is in it. Oh, cool. A lot of people were like, you should see that. They were like, the witch, it's a return to old school horror. It's so horrifying,

you'll kill yourself or whatever. Did it make you kill yourself? No, I haven't seen it. I have a copy of it. Oh, right. Okay, right. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those ones where like,

I know this is good, but I need the time to sit down and watch it properly when I'm not sitting on my computer editing. Yeah. Yeah. And you'll need to get all your affairs in order before you give yourself up. By the way, update on the nautical themed man cave.

Oh, yes. From that house. Oh, that's right. You were thinking about buying a house. Yeah. Went back and it's no good. In what sense? The whole thing is like a hodgepodge and whatever.

What does that mean? That means nothing. No, it's kind of bit slapped together and it's got good frontage and it's got a great backyard. Oh, sounds good. Yeah, and also there's a tap in the nautical-themed man cave where you turn it on and there's a sink and then there's an open pipe at the bottom of the sink and it goes into a bucket.

I see. Yeah. All right. open pipe in the bottom of the sink and it goes into a bucket i see yeah all right i mean that's not what sealed it completely but uh yeah it didn't help that much blade runner 2049 yeah we got a trailer forget what you knew about blade runner 19 done vangelis soundtrack Out Is he dead? Vangelis? Yeah No I don't think so Okay Doing the new one? Don't know Don't know or no?

No I don't know Okay Anyway the world is back Pyramids Atari logo Giant holograms What's Atari doing in the future? It's an alternate future obviously you dingus

Well it's interesting because is it an alternate future? Because there seems to be some sort of, we see some sort of news, floating news hologram and it's got something about the Soviet Union on it. Right. And I'm like, is that, maybe it's just something that is called Soviet something something or is this a universe in which the Soviet Union still exists?

Potentially. Maybe. I got the audio book of Duendo's Dream of Electric Shape because I've never read it. And the first 10 minutes is just him arguing with his wife and they're both debating on whether to get a stimulant of emotion so they can argue better or calm down. Right, yes.

And I'm like, I don't know about this. That's fair. Is it a good book? I mean, it must be, right? Yeah, yeah. So I'm going to push on. But my understanding is the book is very different from the movie like there's no ambiguity in terms of like Deckard is just a he is a guy and it's a more actual electric sheep in it like it's oh

they have one don't they the book is I think concerned predominantly by synthetic animals yeah okay interesting it's more a farming simulator what do do they do with them? Just have them as pets. Why? It's a status symbol. But also, aren't they saving up for a real one or something? Yeah, because that's an even bigger status symbol. A real sheep. Okay.

Vangelis is still alive. I've just checked. Okay, good. I went to hisvangelistellalive.com. Is it going to make a live stream? Yeah, that's right. Into his house. It's an empty coffin. When he's in it, you know stream? Yeah, that's right. Into his house. It's an empty coffin.

And when he's in it, you know it's done. Yeah, that's right. Anyway, Pyramids, giant hologram. It's a drone that follows him around. He's just doing stuff. And every once in a while, if you're real lucky, if you just watch that live stream, he's just like, yes, I'm still alive.

All right? Mama mia. Pyramids, flying cars, giant holograms. How good does it look? Well, I was going to say, so yeah, first of all, what I was going to get to initially is Atari doesn't really exist anymore. No.

I mean, it does. The brand exists. Great T-shirts. But now it's just like, it's T-shirts and it's like online gambling stuff. I think you can get like a retro Atari system with a thousand games in it or whatever. Maybe, well, maybe do you think there's not time between now and 2049 for Atari to have a resurgence?

Maybe, yeah. To be back in a big way? Yeah, maybe. Okay, good. Maybe Apple will purchase the Atari property and rebrand themselves Atari. Yeah. Very good. So three decades later, Deckard has been missing. You see a number scratched into a surface that says 6-10-21,

which is the year that the book is set, but it's set two years after the movie. Yes. And the presumption is that the replicant woman, who is it from the first one? I can't remember her name. No. Yep.

Gone at us. She's dead so she had a like all replicants she had a cap on an expiry date right and maybe and again even though it was very heavily implied in the first one that she didn't have an expiry date yeah i don't know right i don't know surprise maybe she just fell under my fridge fell out yeah my fridge fell in yeah so there you go so he's he's been hiding in what looks like Vegas. Maybe, yeah. Yeah. So just kind of some kind of wasteland.

Or possibly Vangelis' house. Right. There's a lot of Greek themed statues. So Jared Leto. He's back. He's back. In a big way. Yeah.

We thought we were rid of him after Suicide Squad. After he embarrassed himself. He didn't embarrass himself in the movie and this isn't his fault but it was all the the social media build-up yeah of all the crazy stuff that he was doing and then when the movie came out people were like what a big bunch of bullshit for nothing correct which isn't his fault that they cut him out of it necessarily but he yeah he kind of what i bet it is i bet, listen, you're going to be in this for 10 minutes. Your contract stays clearly 10 minutes.

And then he imagined this. He faffed about. Anyway, he's some sort of... He's the new replicant master. He's building slaves he's talking about. Yeah, he says all great societies are built on slave labor of some sort. And then we see a replicant being born out of a tube. That's probably true when you think about it.

Yeah. Jared Leto can't lie. Did you know that? He's got a thing in his neck. Like a little bloody, I don't know. Is he blind? Or do you think those are some kind of... I think he's getting sweet data from that.

He's got sweet data. He's looking at some sweet content. Do you think he greets them all? They all slip out of a slippery bag? Maybe this one's special. Was that a name actor or was that just some random? Not that I could say. It's hard to tell when someone's covered in goop.

You know what I mean? It's true. You're absolutely right. Yeah. So, no, I don't know. So I'm presuming he's the corporation evil guy. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Do you think the story's going to be... No, I think he's the Bay Patagon. He's the hero. Do you think the story's going to be... No, I think it's the Bat-Potogon. The Bat-Potogon is the hero. Do you think the story's going to be the same as the first one? It's going to be in terms of there are people whose jobs it are to hunt down replicants.

Do you think that's just going to be that again? It's going to be like a soft reboot? Or do you think it's going to be a continuation where maybe there was a replicant human war? I think it's going to be a continuation. And there's a piece of dialogue in the trailer that's something like we finally found the key to the next stage or something like that slippery bags slippery bags and it seemed like they the the trailer seems to

suggest that ryan gosling's character has some sort of secret right and that's and it's around him but i think maybe that's a fake out. I think maybe the person with the secret or this next step of evolution is Deckard. Oh, who is a replicant. I think maybe he is a replicant. Here's my theory is that he is a replicant and everybody thought that he died because he had a six-year expiration date

like all the rest of them. But he's been hiding out and he's still alive. And they're like, now that we've used the goose, goose to track him down now we know that he's survived and he's got some sort of key in his right and dna to keep him alive okay i mean i've been wrong before i can't think of us any time except at the time you said beauty and the beast wouldn't make a billion i said that and i also said batman v superman was going to be good. But we all thought that. More innocent days, you know what I mean?

I understand. I've mostly been wrong, but I'm definitely right this time unless I'm wrong. And I guess it also depends on what version of the movie is it following. I'm presuming the final cut, you know, I don't know if it's called that, that definitive, this is it, this is all the answers you need. And that's the one where he picks up the bloody unicorn. And then he unfolds the origami unicorn and it says, you are definitely a replicant.

And then he looks down and he realizes that it's come out, that the paper came out of a printer that's in his stomach. An Atari printer. Yeah, dot matrix. He's like, oh, should have known. Actually makes a lot of sense. Great. So Harrison Ford's run.

You saw it. Yes. He's no Tom Cruise, is he? No. In the running department. But he's, you know, he's in his mid-70s or whatever. Yeah. You know, if you can move like that at 74. That's true.

There's nothing bloody wrong with that. Have you seen Hollywood Homicide? No. There's a street chase, foot chase in that. But he was barely 60ish yeah and I remember watching the time going

that's not that's not much is it though it's better than you know taking two or three where Liam Neeson has to climb a fence yes

and it's like 15 takes different angles right just to get him over the fence yeah you couldn't have just filmed a stunt man

from behind it's crazy there's a series in any shot there's a series of different step ladders they've arranged that he can... He's not a fast man. He's a big man, but not a fast man.

So you think when the pages are torn out of that book, do you think that's the history of Deckard or somebody who's not the goose? Yes. So do you think there's not going to be any implication like the goose doesn't look himself in the mirror and be like, who am I? Who is the goose? I think we talked about this last week that

i i my my actual hope is that it in this one yeah we open the door to the question of whether the goose is a replicant and we have to wait another 30 that's right we did we did talk about that yeah so would you think there's been any so in between you think they've just kind of taken replicants and they've beaten them down and they're mostly slaves at this point. Maybe there was an uprising and a war and maybe there's that kind of wasteland. I had not thought about speculating as to what happened to the replicants.

I think they're just around doing still whatever replicants do. But something must have happened in between. Surely some kind of catalyst for whatever this version of the world has become. Seems about the same, though, doesn't it? Yeah, I guess so. That's like Star Wars 7. It's about the same, isn't it? Yeah, I think this is just kind of a stagnant world.

The holograms are better, but that's basically it. Holograms are better. So hologram technology has increased threefold, let's say. At least threefold, yes. Yeah. God, it looks good, though. Bigger, better, more ballerinas. More ballerinas.

Well, it does seem like a more of a... The original Blade Runner has a lot of kind of like corridors and street level shots with just steam and pipes and food vendors. This feels very open, which is more of a kind of

a Denny Villeneuve kind of situation. I wonder what kind of food is going to be on those street vendor carts, you know what I mean? It'd be mostly Asian cuisine. Isn't that what it normally is? Yeah.

So, okay, who's going to be a replicant? Do you think Deckard's going to be a replicant? Yes. Do you think there's going to be an implication that the goose is a replicant? Realistically, no. Okay. Yeah. What about the girl that was with the goose?

The girl with the goose definitely a replicant definitely a replicant well isn't that the kickoff here that that yeah this is some sort of rachel the same way that rachel was a replicant yes that's right so in i i feel in this this isn't this isn't this implying some sort of romeo and juliette kind of situation where it's a it's it's the warring factions one of which is replicants and one is human and the goose is like ooh replicant lady do you think there's any chance that Jared Leto

will be a replicant ooh I think there might be a chance that Leto's a replicant yeah I don't know about that one I don't know about that one but here's a question for you though

this is one for the ages and I put this out there on Twitter and I was interested interesting the feedback should I answer it on Twitter you can do whatever you want you're a free man when this podcast is over.

Put your phone down. Do you think it will be better than the first? Yes. Why do you say that? It looks a lot better. Yes, but is that it?

Like, is it the director? Do you want to see a Ridley... Would you rather have seen the Ridley Scott sequel to this? Because I know I wouldn't coming off the back of Alien Covenant. I haven't seen it yet, but I agree with you. No, I think this is going to be good.

I think Harrison Ford looks like he's committed to this. I wonder whether they're going to give him 10 minutes, though. And then he's done. Yeah. And then it's the Goose's story. You're right. It doesn't appear that he is in any action sequences or anything. There's the bit where the replicant busts through the wall.

There's another bit where it looks like he's in the snow but I feel like there is a chance here that he's not in it much which is okay you can move the story forward and you know

Indiana Jones Hans Solo's gone yes yeah so you know it's possible so you think it'll be better

I think it'll be better well I think judging off the arrival and what other movies has he done prisoners apparently sicario is really good sicario is really good yeah i gotta watch that i think there's every chance that this could be at least equal yeah because he hasn't put a foot wrong yet maybe this will be it fingers crossed yeah well then he's doing dune so if he's gonna if he's gonna fuck one up it'll probably be June. Let's hope it's June.

Great. Great. Just to make sure, isvangelastillalive.com is available. So if anybody would like to buy that. But you need to have a drone. Yeah, if you could. Could it just be a drone on a leash that's tied to his belt? Oh, it could be that. Yeah, totally.

It could be some sort of camera on one of his shoes. Okay, good. It could be constantly upskirting him. Sure. Yes, it could be some sort of camera on one of his shoes okay good you're constantly upskirting him yes it could be that fantastic uh ridley scott uh this is this alien news we're going to talk about alien covenant next week obviously i have a review that it's up thank you very much 20th century fox for copyright uh striking my oh claiming my video great good on you you bunch of fuckwits if you're listening all of you fox are notoriously the worst and you asked me before do they strike it because i didn't give it a glowing review and

i didn't hate it we'll talk about it more next week but no they they strike everything they are notorious for it yeah so all the film companies are worse in their own way are bad in their own ways and this is what fox but you'd say Fox are the worst? At this particular thing, yes. And other things? Yeah. They're pretty bad at other things too. They're a lot of other things, yeah. They're good when they step back from shit. Right.

Like Deadpool, Logan, whatever. That's when they're at their best, when they let better people do things for them. So they're good at giving talented people money sometimes. Yes, that's right. Depending on that person's level of talent. Anyway, Ridley Scott says maybe he'll make two more Alien films. Didn't he say he was going to make them forever?

Yeah, he was going to. Wait, does that mean he's only going to live like a couple more years? Yes. Because he said he was going to make Alien films until he died. He did, yeah. Do you think maybe he went to a fortune teller who told him exactly when he was going to die? It's very possible, yeah.

But the next one's going to start filming 14 months from now. So there you go. Okay. We're going to have. It's very possible, yeah. But the next one's going to start filming 14 months from now. So there you go. Okay. We're going to have the Prometheus prequel trilogy leading up to the original Alien. Woo! Woo, indeed. Woo!

Another prequel trilogy that you can't watch before the original because if you do, it'll ruin all the tension of the old ones. Absolutely. Woo! Anyway, we'll talk about Covenant next week so I guess this is where I'll put in the the other thing should we pretend

that it's organic or should we be like we're thrown to a pre-recorded clip yeah fair enough Sam Loy is our guest he had to go away on holiday but we wanted to get him to talk about aliens because he loves aliens Sam Loy is from the great podcast Even to go away on holiday, but we wanted to get him to talk about aliens. Because he loves aliens. So Sam Loy's from the great podcast, Even Ordinary.

We talk about all that already. We do, yeah. Yeah, anyway. So just pretend this is a seamless edit into that. Or maybe you actually will make a seamless edit into that. Yeah, I might. In which case, how dare you for wasting all this sweet riffing? How dare you remove it?

I demand you put it back in. Fine, I'll put it back in. Nice. And then we cut to the clip. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it

before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Now, Mason, other things are happening in the world, obviously. Alien, the new one's called, I was going to call it Alien Isolation again. It's not what it's called it's called alien covenant covenant yeah luckily though it doesn't have to be just us talking about

the previous alien Jane shut up you shut up stop talking for one second if you could if you wouldn't mind because we've got a special guest we do I'm gonna introduce the special guest I'll be here to part of planet broadcasting yep a fantastic podcast is called human ordinary Ira glass of This American Life has said the writing is spectacular. That's right. I've got his website up there. I mean, it says dot, dot, dot, the writing is spectacular, dot, dot, dot. So who knows what's on the other side of those dots.

So I could say for an idiot? Or is that? Yeah. Or like, I am never going to say about this podcast that. The writing is spectacular. The writing is spectacular. Yeah. Unless I'm tricked into it.

That's it. Absolutely. Yeah. But you know what? I've been listening to it very recently. And the writing is spectacular. The writing is spectacular, yeah. Unless I'm tricked into it. That's it. Absolutely, yeah. But you know what? I've been listening to it very recently and the writing is spectacular. Absolutely. Don't take the word of podcasting superstar, amazing storyteller Ira Glass. Take the word of this idiot.

The writing is in fact spectacular. It's a podcast about people. It's a podcast about culture. It's super interesting, super insightful. It's our friend Sam Loy. Hey, Sam. How are you going you going yeah real good you know I'm going to have to get

my business cards changed now because I've actually got the Ira Glass quote on there I've got a better quote now yeah for a much more sort of well known and experienced

and established podcast some idiot on the internet some idiot on the internet yeah yeah the writing is spectacular some idiot on the internet that's going to look good absolutely so your new season Human Ordinary covers Yeah, the writing is spectacular. Some idiot on the internet. That's going to look good. Absolutely.

So your new season, Human Ordinary, covers, I don't know, how would you best explain it? Well, it's a real fun topic. It's death. Good, good. Yeah. So listen, I mean, I call it Headstone because the idea is that I start with a headstone.

Do you remember Six Feet Under? Were you Six Feet Under watchers? I didn't watch a huge amount of it, but I know it. Every single episode. Did you? Yes. Good. Like every episode started with a deathstone do you remember six feet under were you six feet under watch i didn't watch a huge amount of it but i know every single episode did you yes good like every episode started with a death and there was like that title card where it was their name and the dates and all that kind of stuff so the idea with the headstone is a similar thing we sort of start with a with a headstone and then we explore either the person who was buried there or the people who go to visit or the industry of funerals and death or the process of dying and all that kind of stuff. So, I mean, it sounds a bit morbid, but I don't try to make it too morbid.

No, I didn't find that at all. I thought it was really insightful. I don't know. I think it's one of those things where my family have this obsession with tombstones and history and all that kind of thing. So it turns out that I also have that from listening to your show yeah cool yeah nice and uh also your previous season your very first episode which is the one i listened to you go into the coburg riots and you talk to both sides follow up uh season or not really season that's kind of a pre how would you

describe that one it's like a pre that that whole season of stories yeah i guess it was me kind of like finding my feet this is a whole new venture for me like doing this like back in the day i've done some writing i've done some acting and some filmmaking but i never did radio before i never did audio so i guess it was just me sort of like finding my feet and going i'm interested in this thing now so i'm gonna i'm gonna do this like i always wanted to do a story that started with a gunshot of the cow being killed yes and so and that's what i did i did that one and then that led into this big sort I always wanted to do a story that started with a gunshot of the cow being killed. And so, and that's what I did.

I did that one. And then that led into this big sort of story about like why we eat meat and the decisions that we make. And it's the kind of stories where, you know, you were interested in radio, but these are the kind of things you can't put on the radio. You couldn't be like, you know. A triple M. A triple M. If you could move aside your sport and your rock and roll and squeeze in a thing about how interesting headstones are,

people would be like, absolutely not. Oh, they'd love it. But with podcasting, you're free to go wherever you want, which is great. Yeah, absolutely right, which is what's so awesome about podcasting too. Yeah. Like, you know, provided you can get yourself an audience

and make it worthwhile. But you can do whatever you want. yourself an audience and make it worthwhile, but you can do whatever you want. I'm my own boss. That's right. Talk about all the headstones you want. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. And I just want to quickly say, before we talk about Alien as well, I like for, when you go into the Coburg rights and also when you're talking about the impact of eating meat and your personal experience, it is from both sides. So you go and speak to protest protesters from the right and the left, and there's kind of, there's idiots on both sides.

Like it's an amazing, instead of just going, everything's wrong with the right, you know, they're all racist and whatever. There's a little bit of insight there, which you don't get, I find, with a lot of media outlets. Yeah, yeah. I mean, what I'm really interested in, especially when I do stories like that,

and it's in the title of my podcast, Human Ordinary. So I was like, I'm interested in those ordinary things that we do and we think and that make us human and why we do them. So I'm just as interested in why someone believes that, you know, we should ban all Muslim immigration than I am interested in someone who supports the exact opposite. Right, yeah. I mean, I, of course, have my own views, but it's not about that. I'm interested in someone who supports the exact opposite right yeah I mean I of course have my own views but it's not about that I'm interested in

the why yes it's very convenient because James wants to ban all Muslim integration and I'm for it so we're the original odd couple so we thought because you have a great insight into the into the human into the human experience we just we just flip it we just flip it on you what a seg insight into the human experience. We just flip it. We just flip it on you. What a segue. Isn't it, though? That's a really good segue.

And, yeah, we'll use your investigative prowess to determine why the Alien films are so bad. Or maybe they're not. Maybe they're not. Maybe they're just, like, not understood. They're misunderstood. Sure. Well, the first two are classics in every sense of the word.

Is it your favourite film franchise? I reckon. Sure. Well, the first two are classics in every sense of the word. Is it your favourite film franchise? I reckon. Yeah. You could say Indiana Jones is also up there. Oh, yeah. And, of course, the Carry On films. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah.

No, that's not true. I don't think I've even seen a Carry On film in my life. But, yeah, I reckon Alien and Indiana Jones, totally. We'll bring you back for Indiana Jones 5 if it ever happens 2020 or 2019 it's going to be like

what in his mid to late 70s or something yeah like 76 77 but we've recently seen a lot of films that have had some

great de-aging technology in them so that are sort of indistinguishable from the real thing pushing for a little bit of that maybe not all of it, but you know.

So they'll get the guy that did the Iron Man in the Civil War. I thought you were going to say you're going to get the guy from Young Indiana Jones. What's his name? Is it the guy from Boondock Saints? Is it Sean Patrick Flannery? Sean Patrick Flannery. You're very good.

You've just proved your nerd credentials. There we go. This whole thing is a test and you passed the test. Fantastic. Thanks we go. This whole thing was a test and you passed the test. Fantastic. Thanks, Sean. So Mason and I already talked about Alien and Aliens and what fantastic films they are. Today we're going to talk about Prometheus specifically

and Alien 3 and 4. That being said, do you have a favourite Alien film? It's Alien. It's the first. The first one. Yeah. I like the, I mean, there's the claustrophobia. I dig that there's so much more at stake.

Like Aliens is a fantastic film. It's a war film. You got a lot of like cannon fodder, I guess, but Alien, I don't know. It's just, and it's the birth of that. It's the birth of the whole idea of the xenomorph. 100%. Yeah, I dig it. Yeah, that's my favourite.

I think it's also probably like the purest kind of that kind of here's HR Giger's like artistic expression and here's the purest form before they were like, okay, let's add drop ships and let's add Marines and let's add clones and let's add all sorts of stuff. It's just like here's this horror and it's got a mysterious backstory. We don't know what it is and kind of. Totally, that's

right yeah yeah it did a lot for like horror films and slasher films that but also sci-fi as well like and you know obviously it was like it had it was influenced by star wars that idea of like a used universe apparently ridley scott saw that and you probably know this but but so much of it like so much has stemmed from alien and nobody's really kind of replicated it to the same extent maybe pitch black is quite good if you were seeing pitch yeah yeah i've seen pitch black yeah but yeah not everything kind of pales in comparison yeah including prometheus but so disappointing i remember you saying a while back or the planet broadcasting launched that that was a movie that you went into and and when

you came out initially you were like oh that was i quite enjoyed that it was a it was a good extension of the franchise and whatever. That shifted a bit in you, yeah? No, but it was more that there was self-delusion there. It was like because as soon as that movie had been announced and you see the trailers, it's the same with Covenant. I'm just like, this has to be good. It has to be good because I love this so much.

I mean, I even give the Alien vs. Predator films a pass simply because they got the alien in them. I just love that design. And so with Prometheus, it was like, no, this movie has to be good. So when it finishes, I was like, yeah, it was the best thing ever. I was forgiving all of its faults and all of its flaws. And luckily I had a friend there who just sort of looked at me and was like, no, man.

Yeah. Nah. Because I think he said something like, yeah, you know it's not good. I wouldn't say it's not completely devoid of – I think there's some quite good moments. It's really well cast. It's a beautiful looking film. Yeah, totally.

There's some very strange plot elements. I just watched it earlier today, and having not seen it since it came out at the cinema, I finished up and I'm like, well, this is quite a competent – it's an it's an unsurprising quite competent sci-fi film but it's it's barely an alien film like i didn't feel any any sense of that claustrophobia was just kind of well some of them some of the marketing leading up was also ridley scott was really cagey about whether it was an alien film or whether it was

connected he kept kind of changing his mind and giving different pieces of information. And the movie itself, there are links to it, but there's really weird things. Like at the end, there's a proto kind of xenomorph. But to what end? Because everybody left the planet. And also it doesn't look like a xenomorph. So that would have just died.

Yeah. And they were kind of putting it in there to be like, oh, here is where it all started. But then, all right, well, how does it get from that thing that you see to the thing that we all know and love? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It was just some strange moments in it that really I'm confused by.

Like, you know, character motivation is like, why would you do that? Like, with the guy with the snake, it's like, come on. Like, show you've seen a cobra before. This is a space cobra. It's flaring its bloody hand. This is not something to smile at. Those two stooges, one of whom is a geologist who gets lost in a cave.

He's the one who maps out the area as well. Yeah, exactly, yeah. And very early on, because they're about to open the door with the severed alien head in it, what is it called? The engineer. The engineer. And he's like like this is not what i signed up for i'm out of here and he immediately gets lost but then they somehow end up back in that room yeah and he's okay with it then yeah totally yeah and there's all black stuff everywhere it's like hey there's like tar on the ground and the snake and the snake and he's not running for and i don't understand i even watched it recently as

well i don't understand why the engineers are so angry yes so check big fella take a chill pill i actually don't get it i have an answer to that and this was in this is a supplementary material that kind of came out after and they were going to include this but they thought it was a bit heavy-handed but basically they saw the way the earth was going. 2000, not would have been more than that. The million or so years after they started life. And so they sent back an engineer to kind of show humanity the right way. And humanity crucified that engineer.

And that engineer was Jesus. No way. Wow. So that's, I guess that's canon, but that, that's what, that's the situation.

Was Jesus in the form of one of those big puffy? Yes, Jesus was white and muscular. Okay, good. Just like most depictions, I guess, or maybe they kind of made him look more human. I don't know,

but that's the information that. Right. Or maybe they crafted an Android. Maybe he was synthetic. Yeah, exactly. They would have known that when they put the spear into him and white stuff. That's right.

Oh, he's bleeding milk. That's right. But I feel like that's not a terrible idea. But maybe you want to kind of articulate that in the movie. It's a terrible idea in this universe. Right, okay. This universe we live in. Yes.

But also the universe of the alien film. Because that's not... It doesn't strike like christian imagery doesn't really no it doesn't gel with that any of that but there is a kind of bit of world i don't think especially in alien 3 there's a bit of like demonic imagery surrounding the xenomorph so maybe that was the thinking yeah for me that they're not called prometheus's are they the engineers are kind of the other side of that. I guess. But yeah, so their idea was, what was it,

to take all that black goo and just dump it on earth. Right. And then just let it fester and have fun with it. We killed their Jesus. Well, our Jesus too. Hang on, what was their Jesus supposed to be doing again? It's supposed to be like, hey guys, this is the right way to go. Don't be a dickhead to each other.

But that would mean they would have impregnated a woman and then have- Virgin birth. Virgin birth, that's right. I'm back on board. That's very alien. Now that I think about it. I don't know whether this version of Jesus knew he was an alien or what. So I don't know.

What about the 12 disciples too? Are they engineers? These are all questions that I don't have the answers to. But maybe that's what they're going to explore more in Alien. Because apparently Alien, it's not isolation. Covenant. Covenant will explain more of a lot of the questions from Prometheus. I feel after the movie comes out and we review the movie,

you're only going to remember the word covenant. Like anytime you're stuck for a word in your life, just covenant is going to come out. Just covenant, yeah, that's right. Also, the Prometheus universe is too clean. Like, it's not a... Comparatively. Comparatively.

It's not that used, dirty, disgusting future. Yeah, that's true. But I guess it's like a billion dollar, trillion dollar ship or what yeah exactly it's still and the first one's like a minor but again it didn't feel like the alien universe it felt like a generic where we're off exploring exploring space and we found a generic planet with generic aliens in it and generic cobra creatures and i mean it would be interesting to view that film again and to have no connection to alien yeah wonder whether your perception of the film would actually change yeah absolutely yeah i can't do it something i did so to look to watch this today i was at work and i googled

uh just watch prometheus online right and the first like there's a there's a put locker link for it and whoever's uploaded it has put this little description of Prometheus. I wonder if you guys would agree with this. Sure. The sentiments here.

As you could visualize, this film is quite scary. Agreed, probably? Yeah, okay. I discovered a number of the action scenes in Police Academy 6 really startling.

But let me let you know several of the scenes in Prometheus take soiling yourself to an entire new level. And it's simple to see why. The film capabilities three from the most frightening things known to man. Space aliens, dark caves and mysterious ooze. You're not wrong.

Those three. I'm not finished. When the crew in the Prometheus entered that scary old dark cave, I could barely hold off my Fanta with fright. Fanta? Yeah. Look, and take soiling yourself to new levels. Really, I think there's like soiling yourself and not soiling yourself.

Exactly. There's no kind of like radiation. There's only the one level. You're right, isn't there? Yeah. I mean, maybe we've just not been scared to that point yet in our lives. We need to find out Prometheus. One day, yeah.

God. One thing that I find really baffling about this movie, and they kind of explain it because there's the supplementary material with a young Guy Pearce, but why would you cast Guy Pearce, put him in really not great old man makeup, and then not see him young? Like, I just think just cast an old man. Yeah.

Old man makeup so rarely looks good. It's true. Yeah. And this is no exception. My assumption was always that at some point they'd do a prequel to this prequel. Oh God, another trilogy of films. And he'd be young Guy Pearce as young Wayland.

Maybe that's the plan. There is a viral video with him talking about Exploring Spaces and whatever. See, I don't like any of this. How do you feel about this? Wayland I guess maybe that's the plan maybe you know there is a viral video with him talking about exploring space see I don't like any of this I don't how do you feel about this because Sam the

the alien covenant is coming out soon but they've released like three clips like like

three supplementary material that's on YouTube of like meeting the crew and the crew have a have a bonding experience and the crew go out and catch butterflies or whatever but like that's on YouTube of like meeting the crew and the crew have a, have a bonding experience and the crew go out and catch butterflies or

whatever. But like, that's not, none of that's going to be in the film. And you sort of have to like, these, these are meant to like, you were supposed to feel,

you know, when all the crew inevitably get murdered in the movie is supposed to be like, Oh, remember when they had that bonding experience? Remember when they were all on the bridge and having and playing, playing cards or whatever. But if you haven't seen that, then yeah, totally. If it can were all on the bridge and playing cards or whatever? But if you haven't seen that, then...

Yeah, totally. If it can't be in the context of the movie, then, well, that's not in the movie. Yeah. I'm not against that, but I just feel... This guy. Well, I just think... Because trailers show too much, so maybe doing a bit of a prequel short film. I'm okay with that unless it kind of spoils a surprise in the movie.

Yeah. Or the movie doesn't make sense if you haven't seen that. Because remember there was, for the marketing for Prometheus, one of them was like basically a future advertisement for David and what David can do. And I'm like, oh, that's pretty cool. It tells you about the universe, but it doesn't tell you specifically about the story.

But yeah, but if I go into that movie and then go, well, this would make zero sense if i hadn't have seen that then yeah that's but i i feel i might go into this having if i hadn't seen those those that's supplementary those clips i might go into the movie everybody gets killed and i feel nothing for these characters but i would have had i seen the supplementary stuff in which case put it in the film yeah fair enough i certainly didn't feel much about the characters in prometheus no no right yeah i mean and what's his name in the film the logan marshall green the not tom hardy guy yeah the poor man's tom hardy yeah right um like he's he's not a very nice guy i don't like him at all

so when he dies it's sort of like oh yeah, yeah, all right. Well, it's all right. He kind of deserved it, I guess. But his whole story arc is bizarre because he wants to go there and he's like, we're going to find new life. We're going to find who created us. And they find those things. But he's very upset about it. Yeah, true. What did you want? Because he wanted to meet them and actually talk to them.

I think they picked that one up. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. But you still, like he even says, it is the most significant find from human history, but he's still like, we would have liked to have a conversation. Shut up. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Shut up. You annoying person with a worm in your eye.

Yeah. You know, I mean, the thing that I think for me sums it up is that Alien, the first one, that I think for me sums it up is that Alien, the first one, the setup is essentially, you know, a crew of miners or whatever they were, a salvage team, answer a distress call on an alien planet and there's a nasty there. Yes. Done.

Aliens, Marines go back to that same planet where there's other colonists there and there's nasties there. Done. And then when she starts moving into Alien 3, the contrivance of the film, the setup, becomes more and more elaborate. Yeah. Until you reach, like, Alien Resurrection,

and it's like, oh, yeah, we found some blood, and we cloned Ripley from the blood, and she still had a queen alien inside her, and now we're breeding other aliens. It's like, what? Yeah. Jesus, what are you talking about? Do you think it would have been better to step away from using Ripley

in all these movies to kind of go a simpler premise? Because that was some of the initial ideas for Alien 3. Yeah. To do a sequel with Hicks and Bishop and some Ripley. Yeah. And then four, there was talk about even having a clone of Newt. Yep. And that,

and it would be like a Buffy the Vampire Slayer kind of character, but then people were like, eh, but it's not Ripley. So, because Joss Whedon wrote four. Yeah. So that's,

I guess that was the thinking there, but yeah. Look, Alien 3, fine. Like, I don't mind that. I would have loved to have seen Hicks again.

Sure. Yeah. When I was young, I loved Michael Biehn. Yeah. He was like the best. Agreed. So more Hicks would have been fantastic but once she's dead don't bring it back yes that's just that's stupid how does she die she jumps into a lava about a molten steel or whatever just the terminator 2 death yeah right yeah totally

yeah yeah I mean that that's very Christ-like as well it certainly is yeah so I think in the yeah the reason she does she falls back with her arms out like that and the sort of the crucifixion Yeah, that's very Christ-like as well. It certainly is, yeah. So I think in the... Yeah, she does, she falls back with her arms out like that in sort of the crucifixion pose. So does anybody know why Alien 3 is the way it is? Like why... Because Newt and Hicks die in their pods. Off screen.

Off screen, in their pods prior to the start of the film. Do we know why? There was a whole lot of script changes. There was a lot of kind of Ripley's, sorry, Sigourney Weaver's in and out. There was budget concerns. They spent $7 million on sets they didn't use. They spent a shit ton of money before the movie even started filming. I mean, you can't use this amusement park set anymore.

The one that I read, this is amazing. One of the original sort of treatments for Alien 3 was where they land on a completely manufactured wooden planet in space. With monks, is that right? With monks. Yeah, yeah. Like how bizarre. It's like someone's built a fort in space.

How bizarre. So they built some of the sets for that and then it's like, oh yeah, we can't use these. So I think they sort of adapted some. And directed by David Fincher apparently the the story goes is that him in the studio is just like butted heads and how he disowns the film yeah but what an amazing film it would have been had he what if he was able to sort of realize his vision 100 and i guess he was a he was an up-and-coming director, but to see the kind of person that he's developed into, it's a massive shame that... Totally.

Yeah. Because there's the assembly card of Alien 3, which he's like, I'm not. He's taken his name off it and all that kind of thing. He really soured by the experience. And even Michael Biehn was saying, it's a shame that... Because Michael Biehn got more money

for having his picture in that film than he did for Aliens. Because he was really upset about being killed off he's like gotta use my image i want x number of million dollars or whatever but then he when david fincher turned out to be david fincher he was like ah i shouldn't have done that because i could have been in david fincher films forever so i could have been tyler durden, I was probably a bit old for that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, real shame. Finch is probably definitely my top two or three director.

Okay. Absolutely. And even to re-watch Alien 3, I don't know if you can see anything of Finch in there, but I actually do think Alien 3 is a little underrated. I think it's all right. Yeah, no, I would agree with that. Yeah.

Yeah. Because you were talking about as well, you tried to watch it recently, you tried to watch the original one and you couldn't find a copy of it. There's only the assembly cut. Yeah, the assembly cut. Yeah, where the alien comes from an ox.

Yes. Yeah, not a dog. Not a dog, yeah. This scene starts and they bring this ox in and I'm like, oh, this is new. Oh, this is fun. And then the alien bursts from its chest. I'm going, oh, this is bizarre.

Yeah, yeah. This is really, really odd. Did you see it at the cinema? The first time, Alien 3. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think I saw it. I know I saw it.

I saw Alien Resurrection at the drive-in. Oh, very good. Down to Amarna. Oh. Yeah. Wow. That's still so nice. He's still Rosebud. He's Rosebud, yeah very good. Dan Romano. Oh. Yeah. Wow. That's still so... No, he's still Rosebud.

He's Rosebud, yeah. It's close, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm in agreeance with you. I think there are some good ideas in Alien 3. It's just a shame. I would have definitely preferred the Hicks movie. But there are some elements in it that I kind of like.

The idea that whatever the alien gets birthed into takes on the characteristics of that animal. Yeah. I mean, it's not very ox-like. It's more dog-like. in it where even that i kind of like the idea that whatever the alien gets birthed into is takes on the characteristics of that animal yeah i mean it's not very ox like it's more dog like yeah absolutely that's the thing as well yeah yeah you expect to be a lot bigger and hulking if it was ox like but yeah there's a batman comic where one comes out of a crocodile and it's just this giant looking it's it's like two stories high i don't know i don't know why what alien is in batman uh no sorry there's an alien there's batman versus aliens the comic where he goes to the

jungle and there's a there's a there's a there's a comic book company called dark horse yeah and they they're very famous for like they they they sort of license out various characters just have them fight each other oh so there's like that's cool there's alien Well, there's, you know, they kicked off Alien versus Predator. Yeah. That was a comic book series before it was movies. Right. And then they went, let's do Superman versus Aliens. Let's do Batman versus Predator.

Let's do... Which is great, by the way. Yeah, it's pretty good, actually. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Are they the ones that did Predator versus Kevin McCallister? No, that's all us, baby.

That's, yeah. But then there's some stuff in Alien 3, like even the special effects of the alien itself, they don't hold up very well. We've talked about this before. It's a bad green screen. It's puppet on green screen and it's very noticeable. The light catches it differently than it does the room itself.

Yeah, 100%. There's some good practical stuff when you see it up close, but yeah. Yeah, and it's a, but yeah. Yeah. And it's a real letdown of that. As soon as, as soon as those effects become poor, you just get removed from it. Like, I mean, it loses its menacing quality if like you can see how fake it is. Yeah. If, yeah, I feel like special effects artists, they, they grow in confidence and sometimes they, they outgrow their skills. Like, so, you know, in, know in the first alien they're like okay we'll we'll show what we can

show yeah we won't yeah overreach but in this one they're like nah it'll look it'll look good enough yeah it's gonna look great yeah we're so we're so ahead of the game with this alien you know makeup and prosthetics and stuff we'll just put it out on the screen and it'll be fine it won't be fine it won't be fine. It won't be fine. And it wasn't fine. Well, I did read that they originally had tested a dog in an alien suit. And then they were worried that it looked stupid. I was like, well.

Have you seen that footage? I was trying to find it just before this. It's hilarious. Really? It's like a whippet with bits glued to it. And it's just kind of trotting along. Like it's, it's the most, I mean,

kudos for trying, but it's not good in any way. I have seen a video of a dog dressed as a spider. It just, it just pranks people. Oh, I've seen that. Yeah,

it's good, right? Yeah. Oh God. Just getting back to Prometheus just quickly. No, it's fine. So the surgery scene is quite

good as a horror scene yeah the the bit where she removes the weird squid from her from her stomach that's that's legitimately frightening and gory and terrifying would anyone else agree with that yeah i didn't know i'd agree with that yeah it's got a lot of criticism as well. I was hearing people, oh, how could she, you know, run around after she's had that surgery done? I was like, well, yeah, they're also, like the film's set on a distant planet, like light years away and they've been sleeping for two years. But sure, yeah, she's got a cut belly, so the film's crap. Yeah, that's it.

Exactly. And the other bit that a lot of people have picked up on is when the alien ship is rolling and they're all just kind of running away from it. Yeah, that is stupid, exactly. And the other bit that a lot of people have picked up on is when the alien ship is rolling and they're all just kind of running away from it. Yeah, that is stupid, Dave. Just jump to the side. That is so stupid. Yeah, but not until she falls over

and then she's like looking at it and goes, oh, hang on, I'll just roll to the side. And it's like, problem solved. That is silly. Yeah. See, and it's those things. And I really am starting to dislike movies where characters will like commit suicide,

you know, for whatever reason. You're talking about the ship crashing? I'm talking about the ship crashing. And like they set the scene up with Idris Elba's character and he's the captain and, you know, kudos to him where that becomes justified because in a previous scene, like he says something like, I will do anything to stop this leaving the planet.

Yeah. But what about his two buddies? Exactly. If I was one of them, I'd be like, nah, mate. You know, that's all right. He even gives them an out. He's like, you should go. And they're like, nah.

You don't need to be there. Exactly. I think he says, like, oh, you're a crap pilot. It's like, well, no, this is actually the job for a crap pilot. Yeah, that's right you know you gotta crash into another thing he was born for this yeah

but that that also like it's seeing a waste of those characters as well because I like all three of those guys one of them's in Sunshine

which is one of my favourite films oh I love Sunshine see there you go Mason Sunshine's awesome have you seen it I have seen it it's not fair I bet you don't like it

look it's fine no it's gold that film yeah I bet you don't like it. Look, it's fine. No, it's gold, that film. Yeah. Well, Benedict Wong, isn't it? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

And what's strange about the ending as well, which I'm actually, I'm okay with the ending where they go to find the, they're not called Prometheus's, they're called engineers. Engineers. It's the same ending. Have you ever seen Mission to Mars

with Gary Sinise? Yeah. So he's- Oh, yeah. Yeah. He does the same ending. Have you ever seen Mission to Mars with Gary Sinise? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have seen it. He does the same thing. He flies off to meet the makers, probably to better results, I'd imagine. From memory, that was a lot more amicable sort of meeting there,

wasn't it? Yes. Didn't lift him up and rip his head off. No. And how about that? If you're saying the engineers are all Christ-like and they try and teach us through Jesus, then when he gets a bit shirty, he rips bloody F.R. Spender's head off

and then whacks old Guy Pearce with it. It's like, well, it's not very Christ-like. No, it's not really, is it? I mean, it's been 2,000 years. Maybe his teachings have changed. They've changed in the retelling a few times. Maybe like turn the other cheek. And I'll hit you with an android body, yeah.

I took that as, well, actually I found out what he says, Fassbender says to him, this man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him a more, he believes he can give him more life. Right. I guess the idea is that he sees that as an affront to humanity or whatever. Like, you know, we only get a certain, you know, you only get one chance and if you blow it, you get beaten to death with an android head.

Yeah. Seems fair. Yeah. I also think there's a mistake in the way they handled David because he's part bishop, but he's part, what's the first? Ash. Yeah. And I think those motivations become more clear In the follow up

But I don't know I'm not really sure What his end game is Yeah absolutely Yeah And that's the thing It's like yeah

What is his goal Because he is Seeming Well I mean He infects that one guy And then he's all Filly Cavalier about When she's got the thing

The squid in her belly He's like oh you're pregnant You know isn't this great Yeah So he's obviously He's clearly not very nice he's clearly sinister but we don't know why

and it's obviously because of Wayland but then why does he care like what's he trying to do it's the thing with this freaking movie it's like why are these people doing the things that they're doing and run sideways yeah because Wayland's like listen i'm

spending a trillion dollars to you know to to regenerate my body and live forever but also if you get some alien samples if you can get you know if you get a little thing if you impregnate a few people with the alien why not i feel like earth technology is kind of at that point it's about as good as the alien technology anyway because they're keeping people alive in pods and there's robots. You can probably put a human brain in one of those. There's cloning. Maybe that's... Well, Alien Force set 200 years after whatever.

It doesn't... But unfortunately, you can have like a medical station that can do operations, but only on men. That's right. Why does Charlize Theron have it then? Yeah. Well, I guess it's not for her It's for her father

Yeah, still What do you think of that twist? You didn't see that coming Oh, man So, for Alien 3 David, I don't know how to say his name Tuohy? Yeah, yeah

He wrote a script that was thrown out A lot of scripts were written and then disregarded And he used a lot of those ideas for Pitch Black so I guess that makes sense why those movies I think Pitch Black is a pretty solid alien film you change the aliens and they fit pretty well in that universe

I find and also the Hungarian title for that film translates to Alien colon Final Solution colon Death which kind of gives away the ending. That's Pitch Black's Hungarian title. No, sorry, that's Alien 3's Hungarian title, yeah. Final Solution, that's a bit Nazi imagery.

It is a bit, yes. Deary me. Yeah. Do you think Alien 3 benefits from taking away the weapons and going back to basics? Well, the thing I was thinking about today, it's like it is a bit of a cross between aliens and alien. Yeah.

Because, yeah, you do. You've got a similar setup, although maybe they contrive because they can't go outside because of, like, long nights and they're really cold. So I think at one stage it's like, yeah, they can't go outside because it's 40 degrees below and it won't be day for like two days or something like that. So they keep them inside in that respect,

but then in a confined space with no weapons, so that's alien. But then they give more fodder, more beast fodder, which I guess makes it aliens. Yes. Although, but they're still just the one alien. So yeah, I dig that. I think that's probably why I enjoy it more Aliens. Yes. Although, but they're still just the one Alien. So, yeah, I dig that. I think that's probably why I enjoy it more. Yeah.

Did you identify with any of the characters? I'm not saying you're a rapist. That's not what I'm saying. But, I mean, you know, in Alien and Aliens, you kind of get attached to certain characters. Yeah. Like I love even the cowardly one from Aliens. What's his name?

The guy Bill Paxton. Bill Paxton plays. I was going to say Bill Pullman. But I find with Aliens. What's his name? The guy Bill Paxton plays. I was going to say Bill Pullman. But I find with Aliens, Alien 3. Joker? No. I'm thinking Full Metal Jack. Hudson. Hudson.

Yes, that's the one. Like there's characters there you can identify with, but I think Alien 3 is lacking that. And I think that might be script changes because you don't really know which of these guys you're supposed to kind of like. Yeah. That's very true, actually.

That's a good point. Yeah. Probably because, and yeah, there is so many of them. Because I guess aliens benefit from, they kill off half, at least half of the Marines like in that first attack kind of scene. So they spend all the time before it's setting up just the main ones that you are going to follow.

But maybe with the Alien 3, yeah, they don't spend much time. They spend an awful amount of time on a silly subplot. I think it's a bit silly. With Ripley getting a kid off and getting some business, getting some action. It's like, all right, I can understand why you want to get some action, but it's been a while. But I don't know.

Really? Is this what this is about? I don't know if it also has been a while. I think they're set in the same year. So Aliens and Alien 3 are set in the same year, potentially weeks apart, days apart. So, you know, she went into cryo sleep, hot for hicks, woke up and he's dead, but she's still got a Jones for some bones.

And yeah, maybe that's what happened. It's very possible. Yeah. That was the tagline for the film. She's what happened. It's very possible. Yeah. That was the tagline for the film. Jones for the bones. But also this movie, that movie also doesn't really line up with aliens because how did an alien egg get on the ship? That's not really clear because the queen never gets inside of that ship to put the

egg there. So it's kind of something you have to overlook to kind of. That's right. And that's the contrivance as well. You know, that's like, oh, we've got to force this film into existence and therefore we need to do this. And that's disappointing. Like surely all the money that they throw at screenwriters,

they couldn't have just come up with something a little bit better. But it is one of those, like often, movies like this never really turn out well where there's 12 people who've had a shot of the script and

when it eventually comes together it's yeah and then they're like oh well we like that scene here and we like this from script A and we like the one

from script T so we'll just mash those two scenes together and then we'll have then we'll build a bridging scene there and then it just turns into a

yeah just a mess a big old mush then it just turns into a mess. A big old mush. Yeah, absolutely. It turns into what we have. Yeah. You know what I do like about the movie as well is that there's that ticking time bomb in Ripley. There is that sense of urgency where she's going to have to go back into stasis or do something.

Because we've never seen one be safely removed at that point, as far as I know. No. So, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So I kind of like that element of it. And then the real bishop turns up, or the grandson of the real bishop, even though the real bishop is in Alien vs. Predator,

which might not be in continuity. You know, Lance Hendrickson's in that as well. Right. Yeah, so. I was always confused by that because I was certain that that was another droid. Yes. Because there's even a – like when he gets hit –

His ear. His ear comes off. Yes. Just about. It's like hanging by a tendril. Yeah. But I was watching it last night in the special edition and there's like an extra line where he's like,

I am human and you see a blood coming out from the – It's not milk squirting out of his ear. So I'm awfully confused because now I'm back to his ear. It's like, why is his ear hanging off like that? Very, very bizarre. Yeah, it's totally bizarre. Yeah. Should we talk about Alien 4 though?

Yeah, let's do that. So a misconception of this movie is that they took Joss Whedon's script and they changed it completely. But from him himself, he said his dialogue, action, and plot were essentially intact. However, he'd written it with a playful tongue-in-cheek tone, which didn't work when the directors decided to play it straight. Right.

So everything that he... He said a lot that's wrong with the movie is the execution. So even the casting, he said Brad Dourif plays a scientist, and that scientist was supposed to be ambiguous whether he would go crazy or he was helpful but but he said when you cast brad durif he looks like an insane person yeah he was in mississippi burning as a terrible racist yeah and he's like one of his first roles was in one flew over the cookies yes exactly so there you go so what do you so he said there's a lot of what he did

you know was kind of translated poorly and it doesn't work but I don't think if you did this as a Joss Whedon kind of movie

I don't even know whether that would particularly work no there'd be a lot of teen angst for some reason yeah

exactly Ripley's cloning wouldn't have been finished she would have come back as teen Ripley. That's right. Well, that was one of the ideas, the Newt clone running about. Yeah, but no, I mean, because there's not much light and humour

in any of the films up to that point. No. So to completely do this about face would just be odd. And I guess the idea was, i well he's had his his ideas compared to firefly which he didn't realize but he's like oh no they do have a lot of similarities this kind of ragtag group crew space pirates or whatever i think that's what he was going for but you end up kind of not really again like with alien 3 not really identifying with any of them except ron perlman who's great i relate I relate to him on just the Ron Perlman level.

Yeah, that's good. Isn't he great and stuff? That's right. But there's even bits like, you know, the guy in the wheelchair, he doesn't speak English or he didn't at the time. And that's very noticeable because all his lines look like he's been fed them and then he's just saying them phonetically. Yeah.

Like that Santa Claus line? Yeah. And apparently that original line was Easter Bunny and he kept saying Eastern Bunny so they had to change it to Santa Claus. Right. Yeah. It was, I think, because the director, Jean-Pierre Jeannot,

he's big time. Yeah. He's really a delicatessen, City of Lost Children and all that, so big time. I think he always uses Dominique Pignon. Yes. And Ron Perlman. he always uses Dominique Pignon. Yes. And Ron Perlman. Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah. Well, Ron Perlman was in City of Lost Children. Is he in Amelie? No. No, he's not. I do like Amelie. It's a good movie. Yeah.

City of Lost Children is great. I haven't seen that. He plays this big sort of like hulking brute. Does he speak French? I don't know about in real life. In the film. But he does in the film. I guess he does in the film. It's been a while since I've seen it. But he plays like a bodyguard for like a young girl. So I can't remember how much dialogue he actually has. But the perfect

name for Ron Perlman, his name's One. That's it. It's all you need. W-O-N? No, as in the number. That's it. It's all you need. W-O-N? No. As in the number. That's him. He's the one.

That's fantastic. But, KK, there are some things that I kind of like about this movie, though. It's kind of fun. You guys dropped in when I was still watching it. I get it. I've seen it before. I don't like the hybrid. I don't like the design, for one.

Do you have a fact about that? The hybrid, didn't they CGI out certain parts of? Oh, yeah. Apparently the original version of that, like they were like, let's make it the most terrifying way we can. So let's give it both male and female, like visible genitals. That is frightening. Yeah, right? Yeah.

And then they had to fudge it out. I guess test audiences did not care for it. So it had to go. Yeah, right. Oh, there you go. Yeah, but it's just weird. Yeah, it's not. And it's not really explained either.

Like I don't understand how that comes to be. No. Like that thing. I don't think it's a Giga design either. I'm fairly certain it's not. No, it hasn't got much phallic imagery. Especially after the test audience. After they bloody muted it for the mainstream media.

That's right. At work again. I like the Ripley clone room. That's a genuinely spooky, horrific scene. She's number eight of all the other clones that they've made and she's visibly affected by that. I think that's a pretty good kind of horror element to it. Yeah, totally. I think that's a pretty good kind of horror element to it. Yeah, totally.

I dig how the aliens escape. Yes. That whole thing as well. That's pretty cool. Yeah. And then when they start sort of killing people around. Yeah. You know, one thing I was thinking about,

if you watch all of the alien films, especially Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection, the aliens seem too dependent upon the inner mouth. There's too many inner mouth deaths you know it's like just about everyone is like oh come on do something else use your hands use your tail more yeah that's yeah yeah i think evolution in an evolutionary sense the inner mouth would be bigger than the outer mouth if you use the if you use the outer mouth so little yeah definitely yeah what's up with that so yeah anyway, that's something I noticed today.

Yeah. Yeah, but no, there are some good things in that. Yeah. How do you feel about the Ripley beats everybody at basketball scene? Awesome. Three weeks of training, I just read on IMDb. Well, that's the, yeah. Have you seen, Sam, have you seen there's a behind-the-scenes featurette on that?

Yeah. She defeats them all and she shows them up as being the ultimate, you know, the ultimate woman or what have you. And then she throws the basketball ball behind her and gets it in full court. Yeah. Like that's a real shot. Yeah, nice.

But like you can't quite, like the unfortunate part about it is the ball goes out of frame. Right. It disappears out of frame and then it goes in. And even then you can CGI that. So even if it was real, I would just assume that it wasn't. Also, it doesn't really matter. It adds nothing to it.

Yeah, that's true. No, it's true. But she gets it in and there's not quite enough time to cut away from Ron Perlman being really excited that she gets it in. There's just one frame of Ron Perlman like, yeah. It's very good. Oh, that's gold.

I've got to see that. See that on the YouTubes? That's on the YouTubes, yeah. I'm going to check that out. Do you guys like this version of Ripley, the newer version? She's got her characteristics. She's got memories and some characteristics, but she's a bit more animalistic.

Yeah. She's a little bit older. It's very Joss Whedon secondary character. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I have no idea what that means. Oh, like in a lot of his shows, there's a character that doesn't,

you know, it's a woman and she doesn't, she's quite stoic and she doesn't speak a lot, but she's got the skills and she's got the enhanced strength and, you know, just full of surprises. Yeah. And boy, is she. But I don't know. I feel, I don't know. I much prefer a Ripley that's surviving on grit and tenacity as opposed to

just being able to rip an alien in half. Yeah, true. Yeah. But there's also, in that film, there's a bit of sympathy that she seems, like affinity that she has with them as well. Yeah, yeah. Which is just, it's just a bit weird. I mean, because she's the enemy of these creatures. Yes.

She has been all along. And now there's, yeah, there's this little bit of, you know, know oh they're not so bad yeah that's right you know and she does feel that remorse when she sucks that alien which i guess is her kid yeah which is a pretty good death that is awesome actually yeah yeah i was i was saying to you before like you know now that i'm a dad, like my daughter is. As a dad. As a dad. As a father. That whole scene affected me in a way that I had never imagined. I've seen that movie a few times, but watched it the other day. And I was, that scene.

It's screaming to her. Exactly. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, no. Oh, her kids. I feel we should introduce a new segment in future called As a Father. And we'll review a film and just maybe it's just some dumb action film and you have to segue into it.

But As a Father, I think this. You can get guests in. It'll be great. Absolutely we can. Yeah, you can become friends with more dads. Oh, that's my dream, isn't it? Yeah. I was talking about the other week.

I don't like other dads. And this doesn't apply to you or Levens. I was talking about, like, the dad in the park that's like, he saddles up to his like best job in the world. And you're like, get out of here, mate. Yeah, but do you ever get those nods? Oh, yeah. If you have the dad nods.

Absolutely, yeah. Especially when I'm out walking. And I give the nods. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to be like, here's the bird, mate. Yeah. Wait, what does the nod mean? Does the mean just kind of like dad where do we do it you just acknowledge that i'm a father you're a father we're fathers fathers though i was working

with my friend joe the other day well i was walking my kid in the pram and someone drove past and yelled out homosexuals it wasn't like you faggot it was just like it wasn't even mean it was just kind of like fact of like it was just it was very bizarre yeah right yeah maybe it's just like pointing to things yeah you see he's got tree car homosexuals as a father maybe he was pointing you guys out to his children. Oh, okay. Yeah, homosexual son. Yeah, you're good at this, Mason. Yeah, I know, right? I could be a dad.

Very good. Sigourney Weaver got apparently $11 million for this movie. That's obscene. She said they drove a dump truck full of money up to her and, yeah. I mean, she wasn't a big kind of star at that point either. I'd imagine the demand for her wasn't probably as high you know in the in the late 90s she did that's when she's at her peak though wasn't like but like i'm talking about compared to the 80s oh okay right right yeah sure she certainly had a resurgence in recent years but the only other movie i can kind of remember from

that era which is legitimately good is galaxy quest which is is really, that is a good movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was good. That was a bit, no, what resurrection was like, what? 97.

Yeah. Galaxy quest was like 99. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was very good.

And some of the other directors considered were Peter Jackson, who turned it down, which I think would have pretty, probably would have done a pretty good job. Yeah. Danny Boyle, sunshine, fantastic.

And Paul WS Anderson, who ended up doing, Oh God, Resident Evil. And Alienle, Sunshine, fantastic. And Paul W.S. Anderson, who ended up doing Alien. Oh, God, Resident Evil. And Alien V Predator, the first one. Yeah, yeah. Which I maintain is an okay film. It's fine. The first one? Yeah.

Yeah. But I don't like the ways in which it kind of, like, screws around with the mythology. Yeah. Like, so you've got all those people with the face huggers on their face and then the chestburster comes out, like, you know, the next scene. It's like, no, it's not how it happens. How fast do they grow?

I don't even, I don't know how they. Well, I mean, in Alien, it seems like it is actually pretty quick. Like hours. Yeah, like hours after the facehugger drops off because then it's like, it seems like it's his next meal. Yes. So, yeah. Yeah. So I yes so yeah yeah maybe avp got it right yeah maybe yeah and you love requiem don't you're not love you kind of don't mind

i think it's kind of interesting it's kind of it's kind of dumb fun suburban horror film yeah except it's got predators in it so yeah totally yeah so are you are you more a predator man i think i am yeah more predator man? I think I am, yeah. More a Predator man? Predators is a really good movie. And Predators. And Predators is great as well. Predators is pretty good. And Shane Black's doing Predator, I don't know what his one is called,

but he's doing a Predator movie for next year. The guy did, what's the last one he did? The Nice Guys. Oh, yeah. I think that'll be, because he wrote the first Predator. He's in it as well. Oh, yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, so I think that'll be... Because he wrote the first Predator. He's in it as well. Oh, yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, totally.

Yeah, I read that. I want to float something with you, though, before we kind of wrap up this... Wrap up Alien Talk 2017. Nice. What do you think of the idea that... It's kind of been killed, but somebody else is going to make a new Alien 3

where Bishop is back... Sorry, Hicks is back, Bishop and Ripley. Have you heard about this? Is this Neil Blomkamp's one? Yes. Right. Gridley Scott's kind of killed it. Yeah.

But I guess depending on how well Covenant, I got it right, is received. Yeah, there's a good chance we won't see it. But would you rather see that than like 10 more Prometheus sequels? Do I have to choose? Yes. Damn. Then, oh, that's a difficult choice. I mean, as a father, that's like asking me to choose between children.

Like I'm going to say I would rather see Blomkamp's one only because I think that Blomk, is like at the height of his powers at the moment and Ridley Scott, not so much. Right. Yeah. And that I was disappointed enough with Prometheus and not carrying on the mythology and the law that maybe I like a certified fan boy of the franchise and an awesome director. Did you like Chappie as well I I honestly

I like everything he's done oh cool yeah when people sort of like I understand Elysium's got its problems and Chappie's got its problems no I like I like both of those films

yeah and of course I mean District 9 is just like yeah it's incredible yeah so I would I would love to see that

and I probably would take that over more Covenants yeah Prometheus. I tend to agree. Mason, as a dad, what do you think? No, sorry, not as a dad. What do you think?

We need a different perspective, Mason. Okay, good. Finally, finally. As a son. Yeah, oh, I can do this one. Nice. I don't know. I don't know.

This would have to be like a parallel universe in which they'd erased all the other ones because people, like if you were like, you know what, we're just going to do another one where Hicks and Bishop are still alive. I think people would, they'd be like, what about the rest? It would be confusing and people would. A fan theory is that Alien 3 and 4 are hyperspace dreams.

Okay. What are they called? Cryo-sleep dreams. Yeah, okay. Yeah, thaterspace dreams. Okay. What are they called? Cryo-sleep dreams. Yeah, okay. So, yeah, that's the idea. Okay, that could work. Okay. And they could also de-age if they wanted to.

But from the concept art that Neil Blomkamp, I don't know how to say his name, kind of not put together, it's their current aged Ripley and Michael Biehn. So they'll be in their 60s or or what michael bean in the current continuity is alive because in the game alien colonial marines he's rescued and then another marine falls into that status pod so technically an alien oh right it's not michael bean it's some faceless yeah nameless marine yeah But Newt's still dead, right? But Newt's still dead.

Okay, great. Cool. That reminds me of, I read a comic, and I can't remember what it was called. It was like Aliens something. Yeah. Fantastic comic book set on Earth. Yep.

And yeah, so Hicks was there and Newt was there and Ripley wasn't. So Ripley's not around, but those two are. And then like Newt ends up going back on a mission and she ends up shucking up with a droid that she doesn't know is a droid. That's classic aliens, isn't it? Classic aliens. Yeah, it was all that.

But it was interesting because there was a big subplot about how the – and Resurrection actually touches upon it that in this comic a religion has sprung up around the alien where the alien is the god yeah and to be impregnated and to have a facehugger on you is like to be chosen it's pretty good yeah um and i think kind of resurrection sort of plays on that a little bit yeah well the the android character from that is religious the winona rider character yeah yeah yeah that's true yeah yeah and well even the brad derif thing i think there's like this it's sort of he sees his beauty in it and yes like like he almost like likes being having his head crunched at the end he does

doesn't he yeah he's a big fan i'm trying to remember the name of it there's a really good alien comic book i can't remember what it's called but i'll link it below where it is all religious imagery and it's about a priest a rabbi and a minister yes walking but he crashes on this inhospitable planet with an alien and he sees them as the devil and it's got a whole lot of religious imagery i can't remember what it's called but it's it's very good i'm just imagining a lot of christmas nativity scenes and Mary has a facehugger on her. Nice. And then does the priest then sort of say, look, as a father.

Oh, no. What a twist. Wow. Hominim. Also, I just want to say, if they bring back Newt, you cast Juno Temple, who looks exactly like adult Newt. You know, she's in the Dark Knight Rises. Yeah.

Awesome. Well, thanks for coming on, Sam. Thanks for having me. It's been fun. Any chance to talk about Alien? This is great. Absolutely. Well, maybe when we do, because we'll probably do Alien versus Predator at some point.

Nice. Maybe we'll get you back for that. Or just another episode. Yeah. Why not? Whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

And when's Covenant coming out? Well, Covenant came out on the 11th for us. Yep. But it comes out a week after in the States. Why do we get early? Sometimes that happens, yeah. What do we get? We got Guardians early. Two weeks early.

Two weeks early. Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff. Sometimes we get it like, I don't think we've got John Wick 2 yet, but sometimes we get things really early. I don't know why. Interesting. Probably school holidays.

We're the lucky country. We certainly are in so many ways. Sam, where can people find all your stuff and you on Twitter and all those things? Because you've got to duck out before letters. Yes. So my Twitter handle is at human underscore ordinary one. It's a bit of a mouthful.

I need to change that. Someone else has got human ordinary. And they don't tweet? They don't tweet. And I wrote them the other day and I said any chance you could like delete your account um and haven't heard back surprisingly um yeah so but but that is at human underscore ordinary one so on facebook it's just like slash human ordinary podcast as well um go to the planet broadcasting web page so yeah you can get the uh get the episodes from there or subscribe on itunes as well. Go to the Planet Broadcasting webpage. Yeah, planetbroadcasting.com.

You can get the episodes from there or subscribe on iTunes. And just generally, just be cool. Yeah, just be cool to each other and yourself. Totally. But I can't stress this enough. Your podcast is well worth checking out. Cool. Thank you.

It's a lot of effort. Ours is just kind of spinning shit for an hour and a half a week but yours are like really well crafted and there's a reason why ira glass glass obviously responded to it what was that like when you heard that i know we've talked about this privately yeah that was that was a big moment it was actually a big moment is he like workshop basically listened to one of my pieces and then in front of that's the six minute bit that you did yeah yeah it's called uh who's flag so that's from last year that's also about sort of the the political divide and then in front of... That's the six-minute bit that you did? Yeah, yeah. It's called Whose Flag? So that's from last year. That's also about sort of the political divide, I guess.

And so he listened to that along with a whole bunch of others and then was essentially critiquing them in front of all these journalism students. So I'm freaking out that he's just going to tear it apart. But then he comes in and he goes, Oh, it was really enjoyable to listen to and writing spectacular. And yeah, so it may have moved. Okay. It may have moved.

Can neither confirm nor deny. Nor will I. Can you talk about, do you know what you're doing next or is that something you kind of want to keep under wraps? The next episode that will be coming out is a bit of a personal story. So it will be about my grandfather, who's no longer with us. I mean, you obviously know what you're doing next. I didn't mean to say that.

Do you know what you're doing, Sam? Yeah, but no, I've got all the stories lined up for this year. So the next two will sort of venture into a bit of – I was talking to the guy that does my music, my composer, the other day, and he was sort of like, oh, so you've got like two sad stories in a row, do you? And he was like, he added that in his voice like he didn't approve. I probably shouldn't be doing that. But yeah, you'll get two sad stories in a row.

Then after that, there'll be more fun stories. Cool, excellent. Yeah. Again, yeah, no, we appreciate you driving out here and coming on. Thanks for having me. Don't we, Mason? Absolutely. We both agree.

Thanks, guys. We both agree. What if I was like, no, and I just stormed out? How good that would be. Finish the episode by yourselves. Have dad chat. See if I care. No, it's been great.

This has been great. Cool. No worries. Mason, it's time for What Are We Reading? Oh, what are we going to read? I'm doing a thing. What are we reading today? All right. And we're back.

We're back in the room. Back in the room. Real time. Yep. This is the What We Reading segment. Oh, What We Reading. Which is very jarring for us because we've... Normally we have a segment.

Normally we have a buffer. There's a bunch of bullshit in between. Yep. But we'd already done that today. So there we go. Don't know how to feel. All right, Mason. What are you reading? A bunch of bullshit in between. Yep. But we'd already done that today. So there we go. Don't know how to feel. No. All right, Mason, what are you reading?

Well, I haven't had a chance to read much or watch much this week, but something that I've been putting off and I should start watching because it's had some mixed reviews and I'm a big fan of the source material. Is it Calling Your Mother? Because it's Mother's Day, isn't it? Yeah. In Australia it is. And you're a big fan of her source material, her parents?

Not especially, no. No. If I'm honest with you no it's the other grandma you like yes okay yeah yeah anyway anyway the point is uh american gods oh yeah i saw amazon prime i saw one i've heard mixed things about it i don't really know what's going on but i did enjoy it right i i i want to watch two that that's where i'm at but that being said i didn't do you want to watch two in the sense right I want to watch 2 that's where I'm at but that being said but do you want to watch 2

in the sense that you want to watch episode 2 of Powerless and then you're like eh I don't care anymore no it's more than that but it's also not as great as my interest for Legion

because after the first episode of Legion I'm like this is very confusing but I want to go back to it American Gods I wasn't in a hurry to go back to it

it's a beautiful looking show Vikings hitting themselves in the heads on the beach oh nice did you see it that's what I like. No, I haven't seen it yet. Oh, you haven't seen it?

That's like the opening sequence. See, that's the thing. I've been putting it off. Yeah. Because I really love the original version. I really love the book. And I'm like, and there's also a comic book version coming out as well. And I'm like, I kind of, do I?

I did like it. I did. Do I watch him and read him and then it's like a pale imitation of the original? Sure, yeah, yeah. But I got to get to it eventually. So this is the week, I think. That's media, Mason, isn't it? Isn't it, though? It imitation of the original. Sure, yeah, yeah. But I've got to get to it eventually, so this is the week. That's media, Mason, isn't it? It comes in all forms.

Yeah. But should it stay in its original form? Do we have to adapt everything that exists into another form? Yes, Mason, we do. Otherwise, what are we doing here? That's a really good point, actually. Yeah. And otherwise, how will we get the movie version of ourselves?

Correct. Who can play you? Just a big pile of poo. Got ya! Oh, step bloody! Alright, mate. Bloody hell. What are you reading?

I watched, I'm nearly finished with Master of None season two on Netflix. Oh, that was quick. Really good. Yeah, I bloody smashed it.

And I also, if you like the first season, you'll like the second season. I am getting a bit sick of kind of, I'm 30-something and what does it mean? You know, it doesn't mean anything.

Everyone's just plugging along, right? Just fucking get on with it. There's no clearly defined time that you have to have your life together. Do what you want or don't. And I hope it's not 30 because my life was not together at 30. Aim for 40.

Aim for 40. That's the stuff. Yeah, there's a lot of good stuff. You know, a few weeks ago, we were like, we should really watch Mindhorn, the Julian Barrett. I know. That's coming out on Netflix. No, it's there now.

Oh, it's there now. It's there now. I'll go watch that then. All right then. Bloody hell. That didn't even get a cinema release here. No, it didn't. Or anywhere.

What happened? I think it must have been the UK. It would have been the UK. I think so, yeah. I know that... Okay, Netflix. Are you a fan of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt? Yes. Season must have been the UK. It would have been the UK. I think so, yeah. I know that... Okay, Netflix. Are you a fan of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt? Yes.

Season three is coming out soon. I watched the first season. I liked it, but I was kind of... Is it just more of kind of like, what's the world mean? Is it just that forever? Because I feel like there's no grounded character in it. Like, you know, Liz Lemon for 30 Rock is kind of who you relate to. Uh-huh.

No, I relate to Jack Donaghy. Yeah, fair enough. Because I'm rich. Rich and big. But I didn't really get that. Everyone's kind of fast and delirious. There's a band called Big and Rich. I'm sure there is.

There is. Oh, there is? Yeah, there is. There actually is. So maybe I should probably go back to it. But it didn't, yeah. It didn't. She gets more grounded, I think.

Okay, cool. Yeah. I do like the the wheel that they crank forever for no reason yeah right there's some amazing jokes in it but yeah

yeah I think it's more a show you have to buy into the slightly surreal premise and if you're in it for the jokes you're in it for the jokes

but if you're looking for a grounded show about somebody escaping a cult there's probably some gritty dramas for you. No doubt. Yeah, I should give it another go.

But I did finish Riverdale for the season. How'd that go? Do you want me to spoil it for you? Does it turn into a zombie fest? Because if it doesn't, I'm not interested ultimately. No, it doesn't. Does somebody go to jail for murder? No, but a person gets...

You find out who killed Jason Blossom. Was it the sister? I'm going to spoil it, so do you care? No, unless it's Jughead, in which case I'm sad. Wait, wait, wait, let me think of who could it be. Was it Hot Dog, Jughead's dog? I haven't seen Hot Dog in it. Was it Mr. Weatherby?

Was it a sexy Mr. Weatherby? Was it a sexy Professor Flute Snoot? Was it somebody from Jughead's time police who went back in time and killed them? Wait, I haven't finished. Okay, sorry. No, I have finished. Okay, you finished.

All right, spoiler alert. It was Jason Blossom's father. They're in the maple syrup business. Oh, yes. And business was booming in drugs. Oh. And it turns out that, and then he got found out, and also he was wearing a red wig, and then he hung himself.

Huh. And then Cheryl Blossom burnt down the family house because she was like, I'm starting again, mother. Clean slate. So no zombies. No. Yeah. But there was, like you said,

there was a lot of sexy teens with sexy secrets. That's right. And then the Anarchies' dad got shot in the stomach. Did anybody, did the whole team, did the whole like all the sexy teens and the sexy family, whatever, did they all then join in like in a remote control car race across America?

They didn't do any of that why would they oh archie's rc races it's i'm just i'm just going through all the archie series that i i was gonna ask if that was a that's not a video game no that was a that was a comic series called archie's rc races amazing they drove remote controlled vehicles around america around america in a race and what did they follow them in i don't know i can't remember do you know what i'm saying here? No, I see exactly what you're saying. Okay, yeah.

But, you know, it's your Dawson's Creek, it's your OC, it's all of that. So there's a bit more kind of like the teens are solving mysteries and whatnot. So it's, you know, for what it is. At any point did they all go to the year 3000? No. Where there were future versions of them

that all were played by the same actress? No. know you said that sabrina the teenage witch shows up yeah she didn't didn't she no i think she shows up in like a newspaper clipping or something like this a little nod to her so okay and then yeah and archie's dad played by the luke perry luke the late great yes well he got shot in stomach, which in television is a wound that can be fatal or non-fatal. That's true. Shoulder, you're fine. Heart, you're dead, generally. Unless you've got a Bible or something.

Head, you're dead unless you're a villain, in which case you'll probably come back. Stomach, especially to the side, iffy. Dick, hilarious. That's right. Those are the rules of the universe so those are all the things i'm reading also we should mention the q a we got a lot of requests all of a sudden we should do that a lot of people have emailed in hey did you did you guys send out the q a and i missed it no we haven't done it we'll do it this week probably hopefully my kid is sick, so maybe not, but we will. If not this week, next week.

And if not next week, this week. Oh. Do you want to do some letters? Yeah, let's do letters. We'll start with our famous letters theme, which I play from my phone every week into the microphone. Yeah. Then it's recorded. The classic one was letters, oh letters, we love you.

Some letters, they're only a take my way why didn't i think of that before just keep filling i didn't even know you were doing it that's i was just filling until it loaded on my phone and then boom there it was okay uh we've got a spoilers question for guardians of the galaxy volume two so another spoilers thing i'll put the time in the bottom is it because there were many many post-credit sequences and we missed the most important one we didn't miss the most important most what's more important than adam warlock uh yeah but see that's the thing i i don't necessarily think he's a very important part of the of the storyline storyline. Okay. He's going to be in it.

Yeah. Well, he was, it was going to be an important, I did a video on deleted scenes from guardians of the galaxy. Check it out. I'll link it below. But Adam Warlock was supposed to be the one who's kind of chased them

across the galaxy. Oh, he's chasing them. Yeah. Cause the sovereign go off. Okay. Right. Okay.

And they're like, he's our ultimate weapon. Yeah. And I guess how do you, and I guess gun had trouble kind of folding him into the team, along with Mantis and Yondu and whatever. So it looks like he's... I feel like they're setting up the cosmic universe

and he's a big part of that. Maybe he'll punch Thanos. Maybe, but I think my instinct is that... Because you can't have Adam Warlock show up and punch thanos and save the day no in the presence of all the guardians of the galaxy and all the avengers yeah we're just going to be standing around like idiots going what is this because it's avengers infinity war the the avengers got to save the day i think ultimately

tony stark has to save the day oh yeah absolutely yeah um i think that he's just gonna be there i think he'll have a minor role maybe he's out to get the guardians he follows him to a whole heck of trouble and at the end the avengers the guardians defeat thanos and they're like but how do what do we what do we do with this infinity gauntlet and tony stark's like i'll take it and they're like no no you're a bad black and then they give and then adam they give to Adam Warlock because he's this perfect being who has no desire to end the universe or creates... Trouble. Creates some trouble.

And then he's like, okay, bye everyone. So I don't think... Look, I think he's integral as a MacGuffin to get rid of the ultimate weapon in the universe. You don't think they're going to split the stones like they do in the comics? Because often Black Panther's got one, Strange's got one, Stark's got one. I don't trust any of them.

No, fair enough. But that's why they split them, though. That's true. Yeah. Each of them is still too much power for any of them to wield, I feel. Yeah, they all shoot beams in the movies, don't they? That's true. They all kind of shoot.

They all shoot beams, but don't drop one on the floor because you'll destroy your planet. Yeah. I am curious to know, and I think we've discussed this before, what happens when you pull the gem out of the Vision's head? Yeah. Is he going to die? Well, there's actually some on-set photos that may answer that, so I won't spoil it for anybody.

You won't spoil it even now we're in spoilers section? Yeah, because that's a different level of spoilers. I got that sent to me. I didn't want to see it, but I'm not angry. It's just something I know. Is it that they pull the stone out of his head and then he got shot in the dick? Yes.

You don't want to know how funny that's going to be, you know? I want to find out on the day. He's like, finally, I'm vulnerable, and he's shot in the dick. Do you want me to do another tweet, or do you want to do a letter? It's up to you. Do another tweet, and then I'll find the letter I was in ears. Oh, that was from, sorry, that particular tweet was from, we got a lot of them, but that one was from Gary M slash Hamish.

So, by the way, if you want to tweet to the show, hashtag Weekly Planet Pod and you absolutely can. That's right. And then you'll know that you've done it. This is from Kraglin. Hashtag Weekly Planet Pod. Which modern day blockbuster has the best final third act? Let's say 2000s up.

Okay, sure. Because that is a struggle of a lot of even really, really good films. Yes. Action films struggle in the third act. That's true. I mean, look at Iron Man is a weird kind of third act. It's okay. A lot of them are okay, but then there's a lot of beams in the sky

and an endless army of whatevers and a building falls down is it fury road it's a bit i think is it because i don't really remember fury road is is a is one big car chase yes it's it's one act yeah or no there's there's an act at the start where there's before the road, the Fury Road starts and then there's a Fury Road. That's true. So I guess. Yeah. Because from the sense it keeps the momentum, then yeah, maybe. Yeah.

Yeah. What else? What about Civil War? I quite like the end of Civil War, the Tony Stark, Captain America fight. That's pretty good. Yeah. Because it's not, again, because it's not buildings falling down. Yep.

What about Inception? Ah. Dreams within dreams, within hallways. I don buildings falling down. Yep. What about Inception? Dreams within dreams, within hallways, within vans falling off bridges. I don't really think of that as an action movie or a blockbuster really. Do you consider it a highfalutin kind of journey through the mind? Yes. Really? See, I can only think of superhero movies now.

That's the problem. Okay, I've got one that's not then. I think Harry Potter 8 has a really good finale. Oh, yes. It's like it's every bad guy who's still alive and every good guy who's still alive in the Hogwarts shooting wands at each other. Bang, bang! Oh, boy.

Bang! Call back to our Fantastic Beasts episode. Yeah. What have you got to list there? What else have you got? Star Trek Into Darkness. No. No, I was going to say got Star Trek Into Darkness no no

I was gonna say Star Trek 3 is quite good the ending the new Star Trek Star Trek Beyond that's what I was thinking of yeah okay yeah

yeah that's pretty good yeah now you've seen the raids plural yes what about those how are the third acts in those yeah good but again

that's just that's pretty much that's pretty much like almost two hours of just non-stop fights no like i wouldn't say i wouldn't say that i wouldn't say that the raid 2 like ramps up in the third act it's all ramp it's all ramp it's almost entirely ramp that's correct okay this is a movie you don't like but i i do enjoy the third act even though it gets kind of weird towards the end skyfall the home alone in the house ending is I quite like.

Yeah, I hate it. It's real bad. It's no good. It's a bad film with a bad ending, if you ask me. What about Logan? It's not groundbreaking. It's just people stabbing themselves in the woods. Yeah.

But it's engaging. That's true. I think that's also too fresh. Yeah. Like I kind of just saw it. I don't know whether I can. Also, would it stand alone just as a third act? Like if you just showed somebody the third act.

But isn't the idea of a good third act is that you build towards it in a way that's. That's true. You're right. Yeah. Here's one that's purely third act as a movie. Yes. Rogue One has an amazing third act. That's true.

It's an okay movie, but that, that from that movie like switches on for me when they hit the planet. Then it's crazy town, Mason. You know what's got a great third act? What's that? Fellowship of the Ring. What happens then? They fight in the woods.

Yeah, great. They borrow me and get shot with arrows. Oh, yeah, that's right. I actually went to New Zealand and I visited there. I visited the woods that they did it in. There's an amazing overhead shot where the orcs are running down the hill and there's this huge battle. It's great. It's really good. shot where the orcs are like running down the hill and there's this huge battle and they, it's great.

It's really good. That's the best Lord of the Rings film. They're all pretty good but that one is my favorite. There's less CGI rocks being thrown at CGI

orcs and whatever. Think Mason, think. I can't think of any third acts or in fact any movies. Those are all the ones that I've got here. When the Matrix

came out in 99, doesn't count. Doesn't count. What about the end of The Matrix 3? But man, that... No, absolutely not. But man, The Matrix kicked off a lot of woeful third acts, I feel. Boy, did it.

Wait, the first Matrix? The first Matrix. You don't think that's a good third act? No, I'm saying it is, but I'm saying it spawned... Crap. Hundreds of... Crap. Crap ones, yeah.

Hundreds of crap ones. Okay, fair enough. Well, you can always come back to it if you think of one. I'll come back to it next week. If people have got one, just send us one. Yeah, let us know. I'd love to know. Would you love to know?

Yes. Both of us. Read your letter, Mason. This is from a name you'd recognize. It says, hi, it's me, Fergal Quigley. Yay! I'm Fergal Quigley, artist extraordinaire. He's a musician, bass player.

He makes his own bass guitars. Have you seen that? He bloody makes them. What does he? He bloody makes his own. I didn't know that. He's got real life skills. He's a double threat. Art. Guitars. Two things. Two things. That's right. You correctly picked

the two things. He's terrible at everything else. So his question, can either of you play a musical instrument? Oh god. And if not, what musical instrument would you turn into if that is your mutant power? I think we both played the same instrument, briefly. The recorder? No. The trombone.

We both played trombone. We both played trombone, that's true. I'd forgotten about that. Yeah, how long did you play for? Like two years? Yeah, I did three, I think. Yeah, in high school. And the reason I did is because...

We could be in like a new orleans jazz combo i'd forgotten everything me too i could probably play hot cross buns if you put one in my hands but uh no i picked it up when i was in year seven because it's like this kind of brass and and jazz kind of thing came to my school and they're like and check out the trombone look at all the cool things you can do and whatever and all the wacky noises so i'm like that's great and then when you get it the problem with the trombone is it at all the cool things you can do and whatever and all the wacky noises. So I'm like, that's great. And then when you get it, the problem with the trombone is it's a cool instrument. I do like it.

But you can't bust out a trombone at a party. You know what I mean? If you want to impress girls, pick up the guitar. I would argue you shouldn't bust out any instrument at a party. I agree. But I'm saying, but if you... Gun to your head, gun to your dick, if you had to bust out an instrument at a party, yeah.

Actually, I'd rather play the piano. I'd love to be able to play the piano really well. When I was a kid, I wanted to play piano. And my mum said, there's this old woman who lives up the street who can teach you. And I'm like, that old woman does emergency teaching at my school, and I hate her. So no.

And so that's why I don't... That's why I didn't learn piano. That's why you're not a piano virtuoso but everyone in my family can play piano not my brothers but like it's got a history of so i feel like i should claire plays piano everybody plays piano except me huh i feel like i if i had lessons i'd be fine at it what you're saying is that the proximity your proximity to people who play piano is going to make you good at playing piano. No, I'm saying it's like my family, my mum can taught herself.

Look at your weird stubby fingers though. No, I got thin fingers. Look at that. You got sausage fingers, mate. What are you talking about? You got stubby sausage fingers. These are a piano man's fingers, Mason. They're not long fingers, but look how elegant they are.

I don't know about that. Get out of my life. My mum can play piano from ear. She can't read music. With her ears? Yeah, there is. Klung, klung. But then again, I guess if I was better, I could do that.

See? Yeah, you're right. Anyway, what could you play? Why did you give up the trombone? Too many girls? Yeah, too many girls. Exactly. No matter how I'd squawk that trombone, they wouldn't leave me alone.

That was my problem. Yeah. Yeah. I'd even do that thing with the weird cup on the end. Yeah, I know. No, you can't do that with the trombone. No, you can't. You do it.

You can do it. Right, there you go. I don't know. But anyway, he says, what musical instrument would you turn into if that is your mutant power he said please say tuba i've done r&d for a sweet meso mutant tuba drawing and i don't want to waste my precious time okay fergal i would turn into a tuba did he not draw one for me not yet are we both tubas probably okay maybe he's halfway pick pick an instrument okay the spoons great good p.s he's ne. Pick an instrument. Okay. The spoons. Great. Good.

P.S. He's nearing his two-year anniversary of drawing for the podcast. Oh, really? Great fun time. Here's to two more and hoping we get to meet up sometime. Yeah, absolutely. Just two more. Just two more. Then we're done. Then we're done.

We don't want any more. Then you've got to send another email and hope for two more. That's right. Reapply for this thing you do for free. That's right. All right. That's the joke. Oh, by the way, if you want to send an email, weeklyplanetpod at gmail. Any more in for this thing you do for free. That's right. All right. That's the show.

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We'll just edit this out. Okay. I mean, I won't. Yeah, no. You will. You will. Yeah. Oh, here we go.

So talking about Blade Runner 2049 and Ridley Scott, how he's bloody out and how he's doing Alien Covenant and he should be out. This is from Darren Lutchner. Yep. Your review of Alien Covenant, specifically yours, James. Yes.

And maybe we'll talk about it next week. There's going to be some great hate mail for that, by the way, I feel, yeah. I've got to go through it. It's controversial. Has it already started? I've got a few, but not enough to do a full thing.

Anyway, sorry, go on. Do filmmakers have an expiry date and should stop making movies and take up a hobby that can't disappoint? Say, macramé or painting their toenails. What's macramé? Macramé. Was that macaroni art? No.

What's macramé? It's a little nitty little things. Knitting. Yes. Okay. So, yeah, well. Is Ridley Scott done with good stories telling? nitty little things knitting yes okay so yeah well is Ridley Scott done with good stories

telling when did Spielberg make a real good movie and don't get me started on Mel Gibson although saying that good old George Miller keeps trucking along

so there you go exactly so in the grand scheme of things yeah if we had the power to do that would you stop

certain filmmakers making like after they read would it be after they reach a certain age or would it be they do like five in a row that are no good or whatever i guess it depends on what property they're kind of gunning for right you know so like if ridley scott was doing blade runner 2049 i'd be much less excited for it yeah but the martian i quite enjoyed but as I said at the time yep he came into that movie very late in the game there was another director in place it was all done and then he stepped in and direct and he did a great job okay you have to say Ridley Scott

in or out out yeah I'm gonna say out as well yeah yeah having not seen Alien but that's the thing that I I think he's great at world building yes but I think you need and Hollywood Pete said this to us me me specifically, maybe you're in the bathroom, that he's good with a good script. Right. Yeah. And that's where a lot of his movies

have fallen down recently. But is he creative with a good script or is he just following the numbers with a good script? I don't know. Because like, what if Ridley Scott, like he just has his cinematographer

and his special effects guys and his all that. And then he just is there and he's Scott, like, he just has his cinematographer and his special effects guys and his all that, and then he just is there and he's like, okay, running, speed, action, and we cut. Yeah, that's very possible. That's what you think of a lot of directors, isn't it? It's like, what is directing now? Yeah.

I guess it's whatever you want it to be, whatever your level of involvement is. And I guess maybe guess maybe like those people around him are like all right it's ridley scott we can't disappoint him let's bring our a game kind of thing whereas you're bringing a new guy maybe they're like we'll just give him give him give him some b game the risk with the new guy is you want to get somebody who's good enough to hand like i feel like denny villeneuve doing Blade Runner is the best choice you could possibly get. If he can't make Blade Runner 2049 good, then what is happening in the world?

Yeah. So I feel like a lot of the times subpar directors continue a franchise. And that would be the problem if you don't get back someone who did the originals. Yes. You know what I mean? Like, if Spielberg doesn't do Indy 5, I don't want McG to do it. Sure. You know what I mean? You wantberg doesn't do Indy 5 I don't want McG to do it sure you know what I mean

you want somebody who knows what they're doing so that would be that's a problem for me also what's the problem for you

trust trust issues yeah a lot a lot of the time okay good okay this is Ridley Scott's filmography right okay

Alien Covenant by the way I said this in my review don't watch the prologue if you haven't seen it called The Crossing because it spoils a massive twist in that movie. Have I seen that? Maybe.

We've talked about it on this show. I don't remember it. Yeah. The Martian. Exodus, Gods and Kings. Probably terrible. Yeah, right. The Counselor. The Vatican TV movie. Don't know what that is. Prometheus, which some people enjoy.

Robin Hood, which is atrocious body of lies can't remember i've seen it but i don't remember it american gangster i've seen it but i don't remember it american gangster is quite good okay okay you should have stopped there okay a good year he did before that kingdom of heaven haven't seen it but apparently the director's cuts really good matchstick man that's all right. Never mind Matchstick Man. So he should have stopped probably five to ten years ago. Black Hawk Down, Hannibal, Gladiator, G.I. Jane, White Squall, and so on. So there you go.

But then again, maybe you let them keep going, and then they'll do another really good one. Who are we to kill directors? Is that what we're doing? Yeah, we're killing the directors yeah exactly that's that's what i was implying okay good excellent yeah no i don't know i don't know how do you feel about that yeah i don't know you're right like maybe maybe they need a mandatory rest period right yeah like you go hey guys you know what take five years off yeah really get the

because i don't know maybe they maybe they burn out or they they're just like well i'm a filmmaker that's what i've got to do. I've just got to keep churning them out. Shia LaBeouf said something about Spielberg and doing a Spielberg movie. It's such a production. There's not kind of like what he would have done with Jaws and whatever where you're kind of scrambling to kind of make things work and the shark's breaking down and it's all on you and whatever.

But now Spielberg has built this kind of team around him where he's always on time he's always on a budget he knows exactly what he's doing so from that there's no kind of creativity in terms of things that can go wrong and and the pressures of filmmaking okay so so we reintroduce the pressure yes we take their money away no we don't kill them we kill their teams, we've come up with a solution. These old guys, we kill their teams, then we kidnap them, we put them on an island, we give them some like Ed Wood style sets, we see what they come up with.

Excellent. This is a good solution. I mean, if they're really old, they're not going to live very long, are they, on that island? Especially if we make them fight and only the winner gets to make a movie. Yeah, okay. All right, solution, we found it. Do you think there's something to that make a movie. Yeah. Okay. All right. Solution.

We found it. Do you think there's something to that though? Yeah. Like, like the being comfortable and getting complacent. Cause that's when things normally go bad. Like a show goes bad or a book series or a comic or whatever. When,

when people said, or that's when things go to shit or podcasts. Oh no. We're always scrambling around. There's been lulls. Yeah. That's absolutely true. Yeah. But on the other hand, I'm always constantly staring at the Zoom going like,

is it still recording? I'm always like one second away from screaming, is it still recording? Because I can't see it. I don't know. And we don't have a team to kill, though, do we? That's true. Yeah. Oh, the dog.

We could kill the dog. Yeah. Oh, I'd rather not. You said it, I didn't. You pointed. I simply pointed at the dog and made the slashy throat motion. We could kill the dog. Yeah. Oh, I'd rather not. You said it. I didn't. You pointed. I simply pointed the dog and made the slashy throat motion. That's all I did. Okay.

Yeah. All right. We kill the team. We've come up with a solution. Yeah. Love it. Yeah. I think you're right.

Like they, some of the, a lot. Yeah. Like Spielberg movies. They're too, they're too shiny and smooth now. Yeah. Rough them up a bit. rough them up a bit rough them up a bit by that i mean rough up his team kill his team yeah great that's the show for this week mason oh we did it what do you got oh if you want to say hi to us you can go to weekly planet

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