The Weekly Planet - 190 Failed Movie Franchises

Episode Date: June 19, 2017

This week we discuss films that set up sequels/franchises and failed so spectacularly that they never happened.We also talk the sinking ship that is The Mummy, E3 2017, Danny Elfman coming on board Justice League, Flatliners, Man Of Steel 2 rumours, James Gunn changing Marvel canon plus the Transformers spin-off something! Thanks for the support.Do Go On: https://www.planetbcasting.com/our-shows/do-go-on/0:57 The Mummy is not doing well6:23 Danny Elfman boards Justice League9:23 Ehhhhh Flatliners… (I did it)10:54 X-Men: Dark Phoenix get’s a director17:10 James Gunn changes Marvel canon21:32 Man of Steel 2 rumours24:03 Transformers spin-off32:20 E3 Highlights45:06 Failed Sequels & Franchises1:31:07 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read1:38:53 Letters It’s Time For LettersAmazon affiliate link: https://amzn.to/35hSCXBPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesMr Sunday Movies YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/lB90W2The Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind our T-Shirts here: https://goo.gl/q6gE9C Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com where we talk movies, comics, TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday. With me as always is my co-host Nick Mace. I'm here, I've got a blanket on, got a dog on the blanket. Boy, I oughta. Ready to go. Jeez, alright.

Alright, steady on, mate. Bloody hell. Should we get straight into the news? Is there good news to be had? Do you want the mummy to have another film? No. Then this is good news, mate. Oh, hello.

So, though it did do well overseas, right? Internationally, the mummy did $142 million. Okay, which is? Which is good. Okay, good. It still wouldn't have made us money back on marketing costs or anything as of yet. So it's...

It's bad-ish, I guess. Okay, great. But it didn't do well enough. It did like $32 in the US, which is... It's not good. They'd want a lot more. Uh-huh, sure. Considering the money that they pumped into it.

There was... It's speculated that the cost for that movie might be as high as $180 million. And then marketing on top is normally double that, blah, blah, blah. There was a lot of bus ads, wasn't there? There's a lot of pictures of Tom Cruise on a bus with a mummy behind him. Just me? Well, I mean, they're in the pocket of big bus. That's why there's a bus in the movie.

That's why there's that bus stunt in the movie. Very good. So they didn't have to pay for that. No, well, they're going to have to morally. Yes, absolutely. But, you know, every Tom Cruise is going to have to be, like he's about to get into his limo or get on his motorcycle and somebody's going to come out from a corner

and they're going to be like, hey, Tom, remember we did you that big favour? You're riding the bus, buddy. You're riding the bus, promoting the bus. And he's like, oh, right. Does he have to sit up the front? Yeah, he has to sit up the front like a nerd. Bad for him. Bad for him.

Well, speaking of him, though, in particular, there was an article on Variety which just hammered the shit out of him. Did you read that where it was like he came in and he took over the production and he wore all hats and whatnot? I looked at the title of the article in a tweet. I did not read it. I'm like, I'll definitely get to that before this episode. And did you?

I did not. Oh, you did? I did. Okay, that's odd. No. But look, basically to summarize, it puts most of the blame for the movie not doing well on Tom Cruise coming in and making it a Tom Cruise project

as opposed to what it was going to be before which was probably also not going to be good well i mean again this was this was one of the most tom cruisey tom cruise films ever i feel yeah sure again and i did mention this last week and it's kind of a spoiler but not really unless you've seen it he does so it's not a spoiler if you have seen it correct but also we're a week in and if you haven't seen it by now, you're probably not going to. Well, what I was going to say is that in this movie, he does kiss a woman against her will to death,

which ultimately is the purest form of Tom Cruise ever committed to film, I feel, when you think about it. When you distill his essence, that's what it is. That's what he's all about. But look, I don't think it's – look, I don't doubt that he came in and Tom Cruisified it because, you know, he's a big star. But also, you've got to expect that, don't you?'s, look, I don't doubt that he came in and Tom Cruise-ified it. Because, you know, he's a big star. But also, you've got to expect that, don't you? Yeah, that's what he does.

And he's done that before with movies and it's been really successful. You know, so I don't think, and generally speaking, one person doesn't ruin a movie. And also, it was Tom Cruise's, it would have been Tom Cruise's idea to be like, hey, let's do a stunt where we're in the plane and it's really zero gravity. Well, he was going to do that Mission Impossible and he brought that to this. That's right. But it wouldn't have been his call to go...

I'm going to kiss a woman to death. Yeah, but it wouldn't have been his call to cut around that so it looks terrible. He would have been like, put in as long shots as you need. Absolutely. So it takes two to tango and at least three people to ruin a film. Tom Cruise, the director. The audiences.

The audiences as a whole, yes. Way to blame it on our part. That's right. Because we didn't see it enough. Yep. This is my favourite quote from the article, though. The actor personally commissioned two other writers, along with Macquarie, who's done Mission Impossible,

to crank out a new script. The script envisioned Nick Morton, which was his name in the film apparently. There you go. The things you learn, hey? The script envisioned Nick Morton as an earnest Tom Cruise archetype, who is laughably described as a young man at one point. That's right.

That was a bit of a problem, wasn't it? Yeah. Not that he doesn't. He looks 40. But knowing who he is and how old he is, it is weird. It is, absolutely. Yeah. And also, another thing that struck me after having watched the film

and reviewed it on the podcast last week, is that he's supposed to be this, he's in this long-range recon patrol, but he's also, he has a side business in stealing antiquities. What's he do with them? Where do they go? He's the kind of black market, I guess. But where? Egyptologists, I don't know. He has a side business in stealing antiquities. What's he do with them? Where do they go? He's the guy with Black Market, I guess. But where?

Egyptologists. I don't know. But I mean, like, if he goes into, like, a destroy, like an Iraqi town that's been blown to pieces, and he steals something, where's he put it? He can't sell it to anybody in the town. They blew the town up. I guess he's going to Dubai, and he's going to a pot auction. Does he drag a big sack behind him filled with antiquities?

Just jangling away. Just jangling away. And they're like, what's in there? And he's like, guns and American flags. And they're like, they just salute him and move along. Very good. Anyway, it's probably dead, but do another one if you want. I guess you might be anyway.

Are you saying that the mummy you might do you mean are you saying that the mummy films are dead or are you saying the dark universe is dead i'd say there's a very good chance that it that it is dead but look if they're gonna if they're gonna go ahead with it the next one's um bride of frankenstein which we talked about this last week which is probably angelina jolie well that's the idea but if you were her would you do it no you'd cut and run and then it's eva green exactly and then she might cut and run because she's got some weird danish television thing to do and then it's helena bottom carter again that's right who would do it? No, you'd cut and run and then it's Eva Green. Exactly. And then she might cut and run because she's got some weird Danish television thing to do. And then it's Helena Bonham Carter again. That's right.

Who would do it? Yeah, right? Anyway, good luck, the mummy. We'll never see you again. This is big news for Justice League, which is doing some reshoots at the moment. Danny Elfman has taken over. He's going to get his hon hons into this film because Junkie XL

that's his name isn't it? is there a way to say that? like a cooler way? no I mean he's sometimes JXL when he's more PG yeah sure that sounds like the extreme version of Justice League

JXL hang on what's this guy got to do with it? because he's the guy he was doing the music He's more PG. Yeah, sure. That sounds like the extreme version of Justice League. J-X. Hang on, what's this guy got to do with it? Because he's the guy. He was doing the music. Right, he's probably most famous for that Elvis Presley remix of Little Less Conversation. That's a good song. And does he do movie soundtracks, right?

Yeah, he did Batman Superman. Is that what he did? Okay, cool. I don't remember it at all. Yeah, maybe he didn't, though, you know? Maybe he did elements of it with Hans Zimmer. Anyway, he's out. I don't remember it at all. Yeah, maybe he didn't though, you know? Maybe he did elements of it with Hans Zimmer. Anyway, he's out. I don't know for whatever reason.

He wrote a thing on Twitter or whatever that was like, yeah, it sucks to go, but whatever. He wasn't like, I got booted. Maybe there was just a, you know, a scheduled lineup. I'm from Holland. Is he from Holland? I don't know. I'll look him up.

Tweeted him. He's from the Netherlands. There you go. There you go. So, yes. Isn't that weird? Anyway, I've received some delightful feedback on our South African accents from last week. It's mixed.

No, you know what? It's about 70-30 positive. That's a fresh. Not necessarily accurate, our accents, but they're entertaining. I'll take it. And many of our South African listeners have emailed in to tell us, yes, they do enjoy doing their own accents. Sure.

Yeah. Why wouldn't you? Yeah. It would be crazy if you didn't. In fact, we got an email from someone, and I am afraid I don't have your name right here, but who said that he is from South Africa and whenever he and his girlfriend watch Asia Walter

and they do Andy Serkis' accent. So it's double South African. Oh. Yeah. Fantastic. Is that a good South African accent? Sorry? No, apparently it's fine. Like, it's not great. Okay, fantastic. Is that a good South African accent? Sorry? No, apparently it's fine.

It's not great. Okay, fair enough. But he's still the best he can. What do you think about Elfman coming back to the comic book universe? He did Batman 89. He sure did. That's a big deal, mate. Yeah.

Some say that's more iconic than the Dark Knight score. It's more, you can hum it. You can, yeah. And he also, obviously, he did the Batman animated series as well. And he did the one that goes... As Johnny Depp runs up a spiral staircase. It's very true. Have you seen that one?

No. That's pretty good. Yeah. So what do you think about that? I think that's fun. And I think people will... I think, again, if he weaves in some of his old stuff, maybe he weaves in his old Batman theme or what have you.

Do you think he will? Yeah. Okay, there. Because I think we've got to the point where... I don't think he's above it. No, certainly not. But I think the Dark Knight couldn't have referenced it, but now we're kind of two reboots away.

Exactly. I guess you can. And the Dark Knight was too real-worldish. It's very real-worldish. And I feel that this new universe is definitely... It was the realest thing you've ever seen. Exactly. This one is much more cartoony,

and I think they can just throw in some Elfman. Why not? Sure, why not? Throw in some Elfman. Great. Okay., why not? Throw in some Elfman. Great. Okay. I wonder if he's going to change much of it, or he's just going to tweak it.

I don't know. He's got time. It's out in November. Anyway, we'll find out. I've just got here, for this next bit of news, Flatliners? Oh, yeah.

So this is the remake. So there was a Kevin Bacon film in the early 90s. Is Julia Roberts in that? Who cares? Anyway, what do you think of this one? I might be thinking of Mystic Pizza. I haven't seen Mystic Pizza. Me neither.

Yeah, Julia Roberts is in it. I knew it. I didn't. I found the first bit of the trailer viscerally upsetting. Why? I don't know, just the trailer viscerally upsetting. Why? I don't know, just the heart-stopping thing and the whole... Oh, that's good then. The idea behind it, I guess, is they're a group of young scientists

and they want to temporarily kill themselves and then the other members of the team bring them back in order to determine what happens after you die. Yeah, and then they get powers and demons. Yes, yes, or something. That's not what happened in the last one, was it? Having barely remembered it? I just remember them all going mad, but who knows?

So is that how that movie ends? Don't know. Great. Anyway, are you looking forward to this? I like the cast. Yeah, the cast is pretty good. Well, I don't know. It's got Ellen Page.

Yeah. It's got others probably. Yeah. I don't know. I'm indifferent same right but I thought why not bring it up

yep somebody cares and somebody also cares now you can replace that question mark at the end of Flatliners with a couple

a few dots three dots sure Flatliners I'll do it I'll put it in the description okay great

in the timestamps Okay, great. In the timestamps. We've got a director for the new X-Men film, X-Men Dark Phoenix, which will take on the Phoenix saga. Again, great. Again, but maybe better. But now there's going to be some alien stuff in there. There's going to be some Shi'ar.

There's the Queen of the Shi'ar, isn't it? Jessica Chastain may join us. Lalandra. There we go. Which I may have written that wrong. It's a lot of L's that's pretty much lalandra okay good uh empress of the shi'ar empire that's the one finally something that's not just fighting other generic mutants yes good we're gonna get generic space yeah we are i'll take it man i'll absolutely take it it's about time they just went somewhere out of new york yeah you I mean, I know they have, but I mean like other than a forest

or whatever the things would be. Shopping mall. Yeah. I want to see some of those alien shopping malls. You better believe it. Do you think they're going to do it more kind of Guardians? They're going to do a wacky thing or aliens going to come to Earth Transformers style and be like, this is our planet.

Ooh, good question. I think I really hope they go into outer space because if it's just on Earth again, it's just a weird lady in a metal helmet. Sure. Just may as well be a mutant. May as well. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right.

Also, can we please bring back... Black suits. No, I was going to say Cyclops' dad, the space pirate. Yes. Corsair? Corsair is his name, yes. Yeah, absolutely. Do you think he could pop up?

I hope so. Well, in Guardians, they're doing father stuff, aren't they? Yeah, right. So maybe they'll be like... Well, that's the thing. We've got the new... So this is all the new X-Men team, which are now kind of the old X-Men team because the first class was in like 2011.

And also, so we've got McAvoy's back, Fassbender's back, and Jennifer Lawrence is back, which I did not expect because I know she didn't have to do it. She was out of contact, but I don't know. Maybe on the set of Passengers, Chris Pratt's just like, just take it, just take the money. Maybe it'll be in space this one. Yeah, right? You love space.

You're in space right now. This is shit what we're doing now, but you're still here. Take that into consideration. The most interesting thing of this to me, Mason, is that Simon Kinberg is directing. Never directed a film. Yep. But he's had his hand in...

Who is he again? He's a producer over at Fox. And I'm going to do a thing here. It's a game that I've invented. Okay, I'm ready for this game. I'm ready, okay. I wrote this down when I was really tired, so this might not work. But it's called... It's a game that I've invented. Okay, I'm ready for this game. I'm ready, okay. I wrote this down when I was really tired, so this might not work.

But it's called, it's called, Ah, or Hmm, okay? Ah, or Hmm, okay, right. I'm going to give you a property that he's worked on and you have to give it one of those two responses. Okay. Or whatever you feel in your heart, you know what I mean? It's not binary.

It's not one or the other. In this case, it is because you've given me the two options and I've immediately just ejected all other possible options from my brain. So I reckon for the next hour or so, that's all I'll be able to give you. Excellent. Okay, here we go. He wrote X-Men The Last Stand. Oh, really?

You're okay with that? What were my options again? Was that good or bad? That was bad. Oh, was it? Okay, sure. Maybe I should have called it good or bad? That was bad. Oh, was it? Okay, sure. Maybe I should have called it good or bad. No, no.

This is working. This is working for me, yeah. So he wrote the last time they did Phoenix Force. Yeah, right. He's directing this one. He produced First Class. He produced Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. He wrote and produced X-Men Daisy Future Past.

Oh, yeah. Wait a minute. You've gone off script. You made the rules and then I broke the rules. You made the rules, I braided the rules. That's how this works. He wrote and produced Fantastic Four. Wait, which one?

2015. Does it matter? Oh, boy. For 2015. He produced Deadpool. Yep. He wrote Deadpool. Yep. He wrote and produced X-Men Apocalypse. Ew.

I had to remember which one that was. Okay, right. And he produced Logan. Oh. So it's ups and downs, mate, isn't it? I think this... See, that's the thing, because... The good projects of this and this are backed by good directors.

He's another one of these bullet dodgers. Who's the other guy we constantly talk about? It might be this guy. It might be this guy. Exactly right. He's a guy. I assume maybe he, cause he's always like,

we want to make the best fantastic four that we can, but, but then he's like, if it doesn't work, ah, it was Trank's fault. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't think, I don't think he is. Yeah. He doesn't, he doesn't pin blame. He's never, he's not one of those guys, but yeah. But I don't think he is... He doesn't pin blame. He's not one of those guys, but yeah. But I don't know, because it's always so vague as to what producers in Hollywood actually do.

This guy seems fairly heavily involved. And I think, as far as I know, because while Trank was Trank in his own career, on Fantastic Four, I think Kinberg stepped in and did a lot of the directing and rewrites and whatever. Terrific. Yeah.

But maybe that was a train wreck. Regardless. I don't know. Because if he's just a, if he's, in terms of a producer, if he's just a guy who's like, okay, we need six trucks and he has the, you know, he makes the calls and he signs the contracts and he gets six trucks or whatever. I think he's more creative. Okay, right.

He's a consultant for Lucasfilm as well on some Star Wars stuff. He's written some of the Rebels episodes. Wow. He's got fingers in every pie, Mason. Whether or not you want to eat that pie. Anyway, my point is, I don't know how this is going to go. Same. I don't really know.

Yeah. Like you said, I don't know exactly what he's done in particular. And this is such a... His skill set skill set again could just be shifting blame yeah that's right yeah getting getting jobs and then shifting blame yeah so if and if that's his if that's his role i salute him because he's done he's done a lot of stuff and he's still working so kudos so we just we'll see how this goes so i'm interested to see this is of the x-men films coming out coming up this is the one i'm least interested in yes because you know we're getting new mutants it's going to be a horror movie and we're getting what's the other one we're getting

another deadpool which should be fun fun so i don't know we'll see and now here's generic x-men original recipe x-men that's right but in But in space. Vanilla X-Men. Vanilla X-Men. Sea salt X-Men. I like sea salt. Yeah, me too. I also like vanilla. I'm just throwing it out there. You know what I mean? I feel like sea salt is the more exotic salt. You know? If it was just salt. Not ground salt.

No, not a peasant salt. No. Alright, this is going to shock you, Mason. To the core. To core uh james gunn might be changing marvel canon marvel movie canon oh what does that mean though the game's not in play for that anymore if that's what you're doing the uh game we were playing earlier oh sure yeah just so we're clear uh to serve a story point tim allen Allen, if you're listening, how accurate is my Tim Allen grunt? Email in any Tim Allens out there.

Okay. To serve a story point in Guardians of the Galaxy 3. It's something in the background of the mugshot scene from Guardians of the Galaxy 1. So remember that when they're all lining up and then all that kind of information is scrolling down the side of who they are and what they're about what their dealio is so he's going to change something from that he's thinking of changing something from that scene we don't know what it is exactly what i think it is personally i may be wrong it mentions one of rocket's associates is

lila you know the otter oh yeah sure they're friends and they both were created on the same planet or whatever okay so i think that they're gonna bring i don't know this they're gonna bring in that character yep and if they're already associates then it's gonna be hard to him to be like who's this yeah right is that so look i strongly feel this is a whole lot of nothing like i i appreciate that he's like clearly he's a he's a guy who engages with the fans and he knows that certain obsessive people will have read all that because most people have no idea exactly absolutely yeah yeah there's like other little things this is just from memory i didn't go back and read it but it's uh no like it mentions peter quill's got a universal translator in him oh yeah sure nobody's

speaking english except him and whatever so there's there's stuff like that uh but look if it serves the story just just do it. Who cares? Exactly, yeah. And look, it's also a universe where the continuity is already broken. You've swapped out actors. There's different people moving the movie. So it doesn't matter.

And also, there's no guarantee that all the information on those screens was accurate. So the Nova Corps could think they're associates, but maybe they're not. Maybe they're not, Mason. Yeah, very good. Anyway, do what you want. He's a good director, so whatever he wants to do is fine with me. Do whatever you want, James Gunn. I mean, even if it wasn't fine with me, he'd still do it regardless. He's rich and powerful.

And doesn't, no, is not aware of it. He probably hunts people for sport like a lot of Hollywood actors. Can you imagine being that rich where you could hunt people for sport? What a luxury. That's a real Leo DiCaprio move, I feel, hunting people for sport. Who else would hunt people for sport? Good question. Spielberg.

George Lucas, we've established, does on the Steel Wars episode that I was on quite recently. Michael Bay would, but he'd use rocket launchers and landmines and shit like that. He'd give them a gun and they'd be like, oh, great. Unlike a lot of the times when I've been hunted for sport by Hollywood directors, I get a gun and then Michael Bay would roll up on a monster truck with a rocket launcher

and you'd be like, oh, no, this will be harder if anything. I've survived so many directors hunting me for sport. Do you think if you did hunt somebody for sport, in the back of your mind you'd be like, one day this is going to turn, you know what I i mean like oh and the hunter would become the hunter yeah yeah obviously so but is that is that worth it in the end yeah as a man who hunts someone for sport uh is that part of the thrill knowing that yeah absolutely i mean you're that bored where you're hunting men for sport yeah or women oh it's 2017 women and men can both be hunted and hunt

for sports i don't know like you would have to i would hope that the the people that hunt other people for sport are more honorable than the people who hunt like defenseless animals for sport you know what i mean the idea that you would so you have like a nice meal yeah i think there would be a code of ethics because, you know, because you're like, well, I want some prey that fights back, you know. Yeah, sure, yeah. Why are we talking about this? I like that.

Have you ever read The Most Dangerous Game? No. That short story about hunting for sport? No. It's very good. Give it a read, mate. What is The Most Dangerous Game? Is it pigs? It's piggies.

What's piggies? You know, like a piggy. Just having a pig? Yes. Is that The Most Dangerous Game? A pig? I guess it is. Yeah, that's piggies what's piggies you know like a piggy it's just having a pig is that the most dangerous game a pig yes it is yeah that's what i thought yeah or a hippo hippo is the most dangerous game they're very dangerous animals yeah apparently teacup pigs no good real mean like they're cute really shit because they're spoiled probably yeah they're spoiled and they're all inbred probably yeah that'll fuck you up. All right. What do we got here? This is from 4chan. Oh no.

Anonymously. Oh no. So take this with a thousand grains of regular salt, regular table salt. Okay. Man of Steel 2 is in development. Jeff Johns and Zack Snyder finished writing a story in November. Multiple writers have been approached for the screenplay including those from Watchmen and 300. Brainiac will be

the villain. Supergirl will be introduced. What do you think of this thing that's probably not true? They've certainly added in some elements from the Superman mythos haven't they? I feel that way, yeah. Agreed. I like if this is true, which it isn't.

But it may also turn out to be true because this seems like a good direction to take him. It may even be that there are people in a Warner Brothers boardroom scrolling posts on Reddit and 4chan and whatever going, we need something for this new movie. Oh, Brainiac Supergirl, that sounds like a good combo. Well, we've talked about this recently. There's an animated movie that's based off the comic,

both names of which I cannot remember. One's called Superman Brainiac, the other one's called... I can't remember. Brainiac Superman. Unbound, Superman Unbound. It's a great story, so any version of that would be fantastic. Cool. No, but because they're taking it from the small screen,

the small stakes, small screen, what they are going to do when they bring it to the big screen is they're going to change it by wrecking it is that right? that's the general I feel that's the general rule because you can't just have it

you can't have you know there was the comic book and then they based the cartoon on the comic book quite accurately sure well there's you know people don't want the same story they want a bad version of that story

so they want to take something that they love yep but make it shit yeah okay yeah I'm okay with that it's pretty good right anyway version of that story. So they want to take something that they love, but make it shit. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm okay with that.

It's pretty good, right? Anyway, good. If that happens, great. If it doesn't happen, that's fine also, I guess. Yeah. I don't know why I brought it up. But the only reason I do, I wasn't scrolling 4chan. I don't even know how 4chan works.

Right, no. But I saw it on a number of reputable sites. I went, well, we're less reputable than those guys. So that's okay for us, right? The next Transformer. 4chan listeners, if you're on 4chan and you listen to this podcast. What is it? What are you doing?

How accurate was our description of 4chan if we don't know what it is? Email in. Yeah. Is it an app? Can you get an app? I don't know if there's an app. Okay. Because Reddit keeps trying to push an app on me on my phone.

I'll never get it. Wow. Anyway, never Reddit. The next Transformers film, which will be a spin-off. We haven't got the new one yet. This week though, Mason. We're going to see you. We're really excited.

A couple of guys out on the town. Learning details about the new Transformers movie before the current Transformers movie is even out is real depressing when you think about it. We don't know it personally, but you know Lindsay Ellis, formerly the Nostalgia Chick? Sure, yeah. She now does YouTube videos that are about

uh like you know uh adapt like like evaluating film techniques on like big blockbuster cinema and stuff like that and she did a video a while back about why you can never remember what happens in the transformers movies and it's quite a lot and it's very detailed and there's a lot of specifics but the the general gist of it is because there's way too much happening and every there's nowhere to find focus in any particular scene

because there's a billion things happening on every anyway people should check that out so it's like if you're being hunted for sport yes if you're shot with a regular handgun correct you know it's that one bullet

that hits your heart shot with the like a scattershot shotgun scattershot shotgun yeah I mean it's that one bullet that pierced your heart. Shot with a scattershot shotgun. Scattershot shotgun, yeah. It's the same result. You're still dead, but you don't know which one got you. Exactly, yeah. We've got to start hunting for sport. I know, right?

Patreon goal. If we get to a certain amount, we will hunt one of you for sport. We don't want the tables turned. Yes. Not on the first tier but if we get to another tier you get to hunt one of us for sport oh that's the key right i like that okay so basically if if we get to a certain level of our patreon subscribers we pick somebody at random to be hunted for sport so if then they want to get out it, they have to donate more and then they can hunt us for sport.

That's how it works. Oh, that's very good. I think it is, yeah. That's the noble way to do it because we're men of honour. Yeah, we are. Anyway, Transformers news. Well, before we get into that, we've got a caravan of garbage up this week for Transformers.

Yes, that's right. It's an older game. Yes, but it's an oldie but a goodie. No, it's probably the worst. I'm not having played them all, but I've played some bad ones. This has to be the worst by a long shot. So if you're on Patreon, that'll be up now. If you're not, it'll be up sometime this week.

If you've ever played like Transformers War for Cybertron or Transformers, what was the other one? War of Cybertron. One's Fall of Cybertron. Fall of Cybertron, War for Cybertron or Transformers. What was the other one? One's Fall of Cybertron. Fall of Cybertron or War for Cybertron. Well, if you've ever played those, just know that this is one million orders of magnitude worse than those games.

I really enjoyed those. I've still got them. They're right there, basically. Feel free to borrow one. I won't. Okay. Cool. Anyway, the Transformers spin-off with Bumblebee

will be set in the 80s. Oh, yeah. What's her name from True Grit and whatever? Megan Fox. No. Hayley Steinfeld? Yes, Hayley Joel Osment Steinfeld. Interesting.

I think that's fine. I hope it's... You know what would be... I think I've said this before. What would be hilarious if this current Transformers movie tanks and so they cancel all future projects. So we never get a non-Michael Bay one. We never get something different. But there's no way it could tank, surely.

Yeah, well, people thought The Mummy was bulletproof. No. Nobody thought that. But I think if we'd gotten four or five Mummy movies in a row that each made a billion dollars, we'd never think that Mummy 6 would tank. People thought that about Pirates. Yeah, right. I'll be honest with you, I don't know how movies work.

Yeah, I know that. I don't think either of us do. That's a relief. I thought this was going to be the end of the podcast. I'd go, listen, I don't know how movies work, and you'd just point at the door and I'd have to silently walk away. But it's okay, you knew I didn't know anything, so that's good. That's great. I am interested to see something else yeah even if it is set in this shit universe

like hey everyone's an idiot yeah and they all the transformers look the same yeah but it's going to be established in this new transformers movie and it's in all the trailers bumblebee's been around for ages right he's fighting world war ii he's doing all sorts of shenanigans he knows anthony hopkins it's a shame that this is going back to the 80s which is the origin of the Right. He's fighting World War II. He's doing all sorts of shenanigans. He knows Anthony Hopkins. It's a shame that this is going back to the 80s, which is the origin of the original Transformers. I think that's intentional. But none of the iconic Transformers besides Bumblebee are going to be in it. Yeah.

Like you'd want, you want to, you know, you want to Optimus Prime and you want to. Hot Rod. A Soundwave turning into a tape deck. Yeah, man. That's that. You want all this. You want a blaster turning into a tape deck. Yeah, man. You want a blaster turning into a tape deck.

Yeah. Bumblebee doesn't talk, though. Megatron turning into a hyper-colour T-shirt. That was the 90s. Starscream turning into... A big pile of coke. A big pile of cocaine. That was big in the 80s.

Yeah, that's huge. That was big in the 80s. Yeah. I get it. Sure, yeah. But the thing with Bumblebee is because he doesn't talk, you can do that. You can just introduce, who cares?

I guess so. It doesn't matter. Like you said, no one remembers anything from these films anyway. I'm pretty sure I've seen all four, but maybe I've only seen three. No, you've definitely seen four. I don't know that. No, yeah, right? Yeah. Anyway, great. No, you've definitely seen four. I don't know that. No. Yeah, right? Yeah.

Anyway. Great. Okay. All right. Yeah, look, if it's got that 80s Transformers vibe to it. Yeah. Then maybe give it a whirl, yeah. Give it a bloody whirl, mate.

I had something else to say about it, but I can't remember. What was I going to say? Transformers. Bumblebee. Yeah, Bumblebee. Oh, here we go. Is it just me? Probably.

Is it just me? Bumblebee, except for like one moment in the first movie, he always uses a radio. I never know what the fuck he's saying because he speaks in sound bites, but I can never get the flow of it. Maybe I'm an old man and my ears aren't working, but I never know what he's saying. James, if it's too loud, you're too old, all right?

It's not too loud. I don't understand it. If it's too loud, you're too old, mate, all right? Do you understand it? I don't remember. I remember at one point he plays Who's Gonna Drive You Home, that song that's on there. Yeah, no, I get if it's the gist of what's going on,

like a feeling or a mood. But if he's saying a sentence and it's just like every three words it turns into something else, I never know what he's doing. It's not really important, though, is it? Because there's always a human character there to be like, so what you're saying is... The cube? Yeah, exactly.

The all-spark? I'm going to give you the cube. What's our old mate Shia LaBeouf up to recently? Who cares? I hope he's dead. It's weird that they didn't bring him back for this one. I mean, they bring him back. Why would you bring him back?

Well, they bring him back everybody else. Yeah, but he's not a draw. I guess that's fine. Maybe he will come back. But it is... I should just point out, I don't really hope he's dead. I said that. Yep.

I don't mean it. You said that in anger. Yes, that's right. But go on, sorry. So you think they should have brought him back? Yeah, why not? They brought back a Josh Duhamel and a Tyrese Gibson. Exactly, yeah.

Or whatever, yeah. Josh Duhamel isn a Tyrese Hinson. Exactly, yeah. Or whatever, yeah. Josh Duhamel isn't a draw. Wahlberg is. Yeah. But I mean, who's bringing, you know, who's, is it just fans of Las Vegas? But it's not like a situation where- A TV series Las Vegas. I remember Las Vegas.

Featuring Josh Duhamel. Yeah, I know him. Tad Hamilton's own. Yeah. But it's not like a situation where like it's fast and furious because you probably remember this because i think we might have been in the theater together when they played the trailer for fast and furious 4 which brought back paul walker and vin diesel yes not very good people were really excited yeah i remember that yeah and then when they appeared

they everyone cheered yes this is not that no nobody cares if he's back or not that's true nobody's calling for it imagine if he came came back for it. But then would anybody boo? Maybe. Maybe people would boo. Okay, you're right. No one's going to boo Josh DeMar. That's right. I feel like booing some wallpaper.

Boo, I don't care for that fine shade of beige. Boo, it upsets me. No, you don't care. That's right. Boo. Yeah. Boo, vanilla and sea salt. Boo.

Which we've established are fine. They're quite good. They're good. I like them. There's a reason they're classics. That's right. Okay. We've got to talk about E3.

Why is everything salted these days? Everything? Everything's salted. You don't like it? No, just regular caramel. Thank you. Okay. I like sea salt in my chocolate, mate.

You get a dark chocolate with a sprinkling of sea salt. Here we go. Save it for your segment as a father, all right? That's not a father's thing. Yeah, it is. That's a man with good tastes thing. chocolate, mate. You get a dark chocolate with a sprinkling of sex. Here we go. Save it for your segment as a father, all right? That's not a father's thing. Yeah, it is. That's a man with good tastes thing. Yeah, whatever. Yeah.

E3. We have to talk about it. Must we? All right. What are the highlights of E3? It's always embarrassing in terms of they can never read the room in terms of tone or what audiences want in presentations. Okay, sure.

Just the most- Are they boring or are they? No, because it's trying to be radical and try to kind of appeal to gamers, but nobody understands it. Is it corporate type being radical? Yeah, it's amazing how they don't get it. Right. Like when you look at like Marvel,

they understand it in terms of Kevin Feige comes out in a hat and he goes, hey, there's got some movies coming out. It's a Marvel hat. Yeah, it's a Marvel hat. He's got the new logo on it. Yeah, he's got the new logo on it. Then he goes, and Robert Downey Jr. is here. It's all you need.

But they come in and they go, hey gamers, hey dudes, what's up? Do you like Need for Speed? Well, fucking get ready for this. It's a Need for Speed amiibo. Yeah, it's always the worst thing ever. Anyway, but the games could be good. Here's a Skype with Adrian Paul who's in the Need for Speed movie and it just cuts to him and he's like,

what? And then it just cuts out again. Is there anything for you that, I've got a list here, but is there anything for you that stands out? Look, I listened to our friends over at Filthy Casuals, the E3 special. It was three hours long. I listened to it over the course of several days. Yeah, I listened to it. over at Filthy Casuals, the E3 special. It was three hours long. I listened to it over the course of several days.

Yeah, I listened to it. It's great. Do you want a good recap? I cannot recall anything that happened to this, if I'm honest with you. We talked about that. They did a great riff on something, but I cannot remember what it was. They did, didn't they? It was something in our wheelhouse.

It made me very upset. Because the riff the week before was on Egypt. It was Spider-Man. It was Spider-Man. Spider-Man. It was very good. Yeah, okay. It was good.

We talked about Battlefront last week. Looks great because they're actually making a complete game this time. But Spider-Man, what do you think? Will you get a PS4 for it? Because you're kind of waiting for the tipping point. I want to see what the villains look like. Do we see all the villains? Did you not watch the footage?

No. What? No. They showed some gameplay footage, Mason. Ooh. Got some web swinging. It's got the Arkham combat. Yeah, right. Okay. It's got Mr. Negative. Got some web swinging. It's got the Arkham combat. Yeah, right, okay.

It's got Mr. Negative. Well, it says that it's got the Arkham combat. No, it has. You see it. No, but at my end, that's what I'm talking about. Unless, like, seeing it and going, oh, that looks Arkham-y is not the same. I've played a lot of games where they're like, oh, it's got Arkham style. They go, oh, you can move and counter, and it's so fluid, and they're clearly implying it's Arkham style. They go, oh, you can move and counter and it's so fluid.

And they're clearly implying it's Arkham style combat. And then you play it and you're like, this is clunky. Okay, fair enough. I feel like it's the same where maybe like an iPad or an iPhone, it's got a certain flow to it. Yeah. And then you switch to maybe an Android tablet and it's got some lag to it.

Right, okay, gotcha. It's similar. The ideas are similar. Yeah. But it's kind of, it's got some lag to it. Right, okay. Like it's similar. The ideas are similar. Yeah. But it's not the same. Okay, fair enough. So like if they nail the web swing, if they nail the combat maybe.

By the looks of this demonstration, which also looked very scripted, even though it was gameplay. See, that's what I'm talking about. And there's a lot of quick time events. You know like Uncharted where you have to run up a thing and then they do quick time, but they disguise it really well. That's also like life. Sometimes you have to run up Uncharted where you have to run up a thing and then they do quick time,

but they disguise it really well. That's also like life. Sometimes you have to run up a thing. You do have to run up a thing. Sometimes it's a Kate Bush song. Sure. Running up to here and it doesn't matter.

I hope the quick time events are because there's a bit where you'll have to run up a crane, but I hope you actually have to. Running up that crane. Anyway. You have to actually press forward to do it and then hit the

quick time that kind of buttons I don't just like I don't like watching a cutscene and then hitting it at the exact moment I want some other

things happening I did see a brief clip this wasn't from E3 but I just saw it on Twitter and it's Spidey attempting to rescue somebody from a burning building

and the quick time event fails and he just falls flat on his face and the building explodes it was very fun from the new game? Yes.

Very good. Yeah. But no, the web swing looks great. I mean, it's from a good company. So this will be, I would say, the best Spider-Man game that we've had in a long time. Insomniac.

Okay. Who've done other things that I can't remember. Terrific. But they follow me on Twitter. Ooh. And also like a million other people. So it'd be nothing. Did you say literally anything nice about them at some point? I don't remember.

Yeah. But there's a new God of War. Oh, yeah. Is this a reboot? Yeah. Sort of. It's like a continuation where they fight the Norse gods. He fights the Norse gods.

I kind of went off... I didn't play Ascension, which I think was the last one, which is a prequel. I don't think I've played one since the second handheld one but i used to like him but i'm kind of like i'm kind of done with these but this now he's got a sun mason and i can relate to that because that's a love that only 50 percent of us could understand he's lying out there people without kids he's lying to you anyone can feel anything any emotion if anything all his emotions have been blunted by the fact that he hasn't slept in like a year but uh no yeah god of war looks good everything's kind of looks unsure like a big comment coming out of this is everything looks uncharted-esque right

god of war now looks like god of war but like uncharted or last of us there's another prison break game which just looks like The Last of Us except you break out of a prison. It's a co-op game, split screen, that you can only play with somebody else, which I think is a massive mistake. Oh, it's two-player only. Why wouldn't you just...

I don't want to play with somebody else. No, exactly. Ever. No. If they're better than you, it's embarrassing. And if they're worse than you, it's frustrating. If they're exactly the same... guess that's terrific what an experience uh mario what to see people lost their minds nintendo he's possessing people's bodies now is that what mario does

yep uh assassin's creed the new one's called assassin's creed origins what a title yeah great terrific anyway it said in egypt i wonific. Anyway, it's set in Egypt. I won't buy it because it's all the same shit. Even though it does look good or whatever, but I'm sick of open world games. Why does everything have to be kind of like, you draw it like Horizon Zero Dawn draws out the gameplay because you're just running across a map for a lot of it.

And I know they have fast travel and all those kinds of things, but I like an experience where you're moving forward and I'm not running past the same lake a thousand times correct yeah not not i mean some do it really well breath of the wild apparently does it very well i haven't played it but god damn i'm sick of fucking open world games the era of open world is is done is what you're saying i don't think no it's it's ramping up for you we're stuck in it oh no the long i reckon yeah i mean the last 10 games i think i played have all been open world. Yeah. But you're right.

They are kind of samey. They are samey. Yeah. Beyond Good and Evil 2. Okay. There was a cinematic. Yep. They're like, we're just starting this now.

They also had a cinematic in 2008. For Beyond Good and Evil 2. Yes. Is this Peter Molyneux? No. Okay. He did that. He did the Xbox Boy. Do you remember that? No. Okay. He did that. He did the Xbox boy.

Do you remember that? No. He did Fable, didn't he? Yeah, and he did Black and White. I don't know what that is. And he did a whole bunch of games in the 90s. Doesn't everybody, well, he was revered for a period of time, but then it turned out that everybody hates him.

I don't know if that's true. Yeah. Remember they had that Xbox camera boy who you could talk to? It was like a virtual boy in your screen. You'd be like, his name's Milo. They never released it. But you'd talk to him and he'd draw pictures for you. Like Rob the Robot.

In a way. But they never released it because I don't think the tech was there. Yes. Peter Molyneux created Populous, which was like a god simulator back in the day. Oh, yeah. Dungeon Keeper, Black and White, Theme Park, Fable Series. He did Dungeon Keep which was like a god simulator back in the day. Dungeon Keeper, Black and White, Theme Park, Fable Series. He did Dungeon Keeper. I love Dungeon Keeper.

And Curiosity, What's Inside the Cube. Oh, that one. What was in the cube? I don't know. Let's find out. It was a series of puzzles, wasn't it? No, I don't think it even was. I think it was just clicking.

I think everybody just, you could just go on the internet and click this thing. And then one person got. Yeah, players tap just to dig through the layer and then reveal the next layer, and the last person won a prize. What was it? Dunno, let's find out. This is very tense. What do you think it would be?

If it's anything less than a million dollars, I'll be very disappointed. You're hunted for sport. Yeah. Completion, here we go. It was a video. Great. The winner was given the option to either keep the contents of the cube

to himself or share it with the public he opted to share what is it just tell us what it is I would have kept it I would have absolutely kept it oh uh the contents of the cube included the ability to be the sole all powerful digital god within an upcoming game which has never

been released called goddess which I assume is the sequel to that's amazing incredible i love it no wait wait okay so um this guy the winners receive little to no contact from the game company uh there have been recent departures from the studio uh henderson who's the winner likely won't be able to collect any portion of the game at all. And once he does, it'll only be for six months or even less if another player overthrows him

who then, that doesn't matter anyway. Molly New explained that the person in charge of keeping in contact with Henderson left the company and no one was ever reassigned the position. So that's it. Yeah. That was like, I remember seeing,

I think it was in an Angry Video Game Nerd video. Yes. There was a competition where in a magazine, like a Nintendo Power magazine, where you could be in the mask too. Right. The son of the mask. But the son of the mask came out like 2008 or something. Right.

So does that person get a role in Son of the Mask? Oh, that's incredible. Yeah. I would have kept that though. You better believe it. Okay. I think Goddess came out, but the guy was not in it. So, terrific.

Anyway, what a journey we've been on. What a journey. Shadow of the Colossus is getting a remake. You love Shadow of the Colossus. I'm a big fan of modern controls. I've been meaning to get it again, but I might just hang out and see how this one is. And there's also a Sons of Zombie Anarchy game.

It's motorcycles but zombies. Now, Shadow of the Col was it was a game that was all it was all boss battles essentially 12 or whatever it was yeah do you think that has been done a number of times since then i don't think i've had boss battles and obviously i haven't played every game so don't throw poo at me mason but i'm gonna put this away i don't think i've i've had an experience with boss battles that good since okay because it's only boss battles yes so everything else that you don't faff about it is open world but you've got these very specific 12 or whatever 13 it is it might be 16

that you have to take down right and because they're each individual and crafted so well then but do you think do you think this game is going to have to raise the stakes because like if i if i play a game and then there's a you know i go into this you know this this open plane and i see a monster in the distance and i run up to and it's just a you know it's 100 feet tall and it's made of wood or whatever yeah do you think a lot of people are going to be like we've kind of seen this before yeah potentially but i think it did it so well that it would be if you've never played it it's worth going back to okay worth going to and if you have played it then it might be yeah and is this any any of these people the same design i don't think so because the team kind of disbanded

or the main guy disbanded after um the last guardian which apparently was yeah what was it getting a dog to throw barrels or something yeah right i never played it great good excellent i think anything else from e3 that stood out for you, Mason? No, because I don't remember any of it. We're not a video game podcast, are we? No. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London.

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Well, we've got a list, but we're always willing to, you know, feedback. We thought this one was particularly relevant. Absolutely. This is from Clayton Andres. Did I say that wrong? Anders? A-N-D-R-E-S. I'm going to guess Anders. Absolutely. This is from Clayton Andres. Did I say that wrong? Anders?

A-N-D-R-E-S. I'm going to guess Anders. Okay. And he mentioned movie sequels or franchises that were set up but never happened. And he sent a particular article. Yeah. Look, if we can reset one more time. Sure.

So every year we do some awards. Yes. They're barely relevant to anything, but every year we do an award. Yes. They're barely relevant to anything, but every year we do an award for where the game was on. It's mostly making fun of things. It's mostly making fun of things, if we're honest. Mostly us. Yeah.

But every year we give one out. It's called the award for when the game was on, and it's for a movie or a TV show that most ham-fistedly attempts to sort of put together a sequel, build a sequel or a TV show that most ham-fistedly attempts to sort of put together a sequel, build a sequel or a franchise. My favorite thing. I love it. So the original award was given for Dracula Untold.

Yes. And then we've also given it to Independence Day Resurgence. Yes. One year. Last year? It would have been last year, yeah. Maybe. Yeah.

But this is the era of you can't just make a movie and have it stand up on its own. No. Because nobody's going to fund that. You need to say, here's our movie, and if it's successful, we can put 10 more movies on the back of this. Which is so weird, because you'd think from the movies that have become franchises, generally they're great standalone films, but they build interesting enough universes where people want to know more about it.

Independence Day. Independence Day. Like John Wick for example. Sure, yeah. Could have been a standalone film. Yep. It's a tight story but the universe itself,

you're like, oh, what's going on with this hotel? Where are all the other assassins? Oh, whatever. I still haven't seen John Wick 2. I really got to see it. It didn't get a release. I mean, it did.

I think it did. My dad's got free tickets. We're going to go see it but then I made him see The Mummy last week instead. Now he's never going to trust you again. No, he won't. Even The Matrix. The Matrix got bad sequels.

Yeah, right. But the reason it got sequels is because The Matrix stands alone. It's got a beginning, middle, and end. Yep. And the universe is interesting. So a lot of these are just like, what are you doing? Why are you doing this? This is clearly just an attempt to do another one.

My first memory of this ever happening was Masters of the Universe. Yes, that's right. It's from the 80s, but I saw it, I would have seen it in the 90s on VHS. Oh, yes. Where at the very end after the credits, I'd never seen this before, after being thrown into a pit like the Emperor from Star Wars. That movie is Star Wars, by the way. It's like Return of the Jedi.

But Skeletor, played by Frank Langella, pops his head out of the water and goes, I'll be back. Looks directly at the camera and does it. It's probably on YouTube. And it never happened, obviously. Is that what happens? That's exactly what happens.

Why don't you look it up right now? Okay, I will. I don't mind. I'm going to. It's not that i don't trust you but i don't i feel like you don't trust me i don't do you think we should also include sequels in this yeah i think so and that's not like when they do when they get three or four in and then they promise one because that is a franchise yes yes but when you look at like the amazing spider man oh totally yeah i think that's it but i also think that it's often the second one where they get more ambitious the first one this is a often the second one where they get more ambitious. The first one is a standalone.

The second one, they're like, we could do this forever. Like, we've got two in the bag. Let's say we're going to do ten and then... We'll never stop. That's right. Okay, he says, I'll be back. I knew it! All right.

I just remember his hand coming up from the... His skeletal hand? I'm thinking of something else. You think of Terminator 2? I'm thinking of probably that. You watched it in reverse. Yes, exactly, yes. Very good.

Have you got any memories of this happening? Like for you? Oh, I thought we were going to talk about Masters of the Universe a lot. We could talk about that a lot. Why didn't that come back is the question, I guess. It probably didn't make enough money. Also, it wasn't very good. Also, it was barely a He-Man movie.

Also, it was set on Earth. Also, Courtney Cox was in it. Also, Dolph L a He-Man movie. Also, it was set on Earth. Also, Courtney Cox was in it. Also, Dolph Lundgren. She got nine seasons of Friends. Yeah, but not off the back of this.

No, it was off the back of Masters of the Universe. Did you not know that Friends is set in the Masters of the Universe universe? The Masters of the Universe universe.

The Masters of the Universe universe. Exactly, yes. I had no idea. Okay. Yeah, but I think that this movie... Gunter's not a human name. Gunter's from Eternia. Yeah, I guess it Yeah, but I think that... Gunter's not a human name.

Gunter's from Eternia. Yeah, I guess it is. Yeah. But I think that's... Having not seen this in a very long time, I think the real problem with this is that it's set on Earth. Yeah. It takes it from Eternia, which is a weird desert world,

which is also what Eternia is in the cartoon. And they bring it to just boring old... Maybe it's Cleveland. But that was what you did in... I know it's what boring old, maybe it's Cleveland. But that was what you did. I know it's what you did, but that's not interesting. There were only two options for kids' movies back in the day. One was that the characters they loved from their cartoon came to earth.

The other one was a kid got sucked into a cartoon in a television. That's true. And they went in the cartoon world. Those were your only two options. I've told the story. I know I have. I've told the story before about the kid in my street

who tried to convince everybody that He-Man lived with him. Oh, sure. I've told the story. I know I have. I've told the story before about the kid in my street who tried to convince everybody that He-Man lived with him. Oh, sure. Right. I mentioned that story, haven't I? Yes. Do you want a brief recap? I'd love a brief recap.

Okay. Also, tell me what his name is. Bryce. All right. Was that his name? Yeah, I think it was. Anyway, it was this kid who moved into our street and it was fine, but it was one of those kids who just was a bold-faced liar.

Sure, yeah. We all know it. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody knew that kid kids who just was a bold-faced liar. You know those kids that... Yeah, we all know one. Yeah, everybody knew that kid. He was clearly lying. They were clearly lying. And you could clearly catch them out. And eventually everybody just let him have it.

Yes. It's just easier. They were just like, sure, that's fine. Yeah. And eventually one of them becomes the president. Got him. Political. Anyway.

You've been gearing up for that for months, haven't you? That's right. So basically, he mentioned one day to everybody in the street that, oh, no, he, man, lives with me. And everyone's like, you're an idiot. What are you talking about? And his kid was like 10 as well. Oh, sure.

And I tried to quell the situation. I was like, everybody calm down. I'm quelling this, guys. I'm quelling this, guys. I'm quelling this, if you don't mind. I think he obviously means that he has a cardboard cutout of He-Man. Right. And he's like, no, that's not what I mean. Literal He-Man lives in my house.

Why does he live in your house, man? It's a really good question. And so then one time when I went to his house, I'm like, where's He-Man? And he said, oh, he went to work house I was like where's He-Man and he said oh he went to work so he just backed up his little briefcase oh not went to work

fighting Skeletor but went to his job yeah he's got a desk job oh so that's that's that story wow anyway what a dickhead

Masters of the Universe I've just realised was a canon film yeah it was supposed to be something else it was supposed to be like Spider-Man initially.

We've talked about it. Yeah. They produced such films as American Samurai. Yep. Street Knight. Probably American Sniper. They did Walker Texas Ranger TV movies. Why does everyone not know that Chuck Norris is a bad book?

American Cyborg. Yep. Yep. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the budget from that Spider-Man movie went into He-Man. Oh. It might have been something else I don't know

terrific it might have been Cyborg 2 also a lot of these a lot of these a lot of the origin a lot of the the future of these films

sort of disappears in the midst of time yeah some people are always like oh my god I swear that this movie turned into this or whatever

like a movie that I I should enjoy it more than I do. Did you ever see The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai in the 8th Dimension? I didn't, no. Across the 8th Dimension. Is it like a Star Wars knockoff? No, it's got Howard the Duck vibes, but it's better than Howard the Duck. Sure, yeah.

So it's Peter Weller, who you will know best as Robocop. I do know that. And he plays Buckaroo Banzai, who is a... I just got to see a picture of this. Keep talking. Yeah, you'll be like, phew, that's 80s. But he's an adventurer, and he's a physicist, and he's a surgeon, and he's like a race car driver,

test pilot, and he's also in a band. Is this pre-Robocop? I can't remember. 84. Might be. Might be, yeah. like he's is this pre-Robocop? I can't remember

I think it was 84 yeah might be might be yeah anyway and so he but he's like he's this all purpose

super cool guy as you can tell if you're seeing a picture of him right I absolutely can see that and he's just like and apparently he's gone on all these

crazy adventures oh he's parasailing yeah that's right saluting and parasailing in front of a green screen amazing yeah and so he's like he's this...

Is this based off anything? No. It's like a 50s serial or something? No, but it kind of has that vibe. Yeah, it does. It's kind of, it's fun and it's silly and it's, so basically it's got John Lithgow in it. Yeah.

So it's basically, his father was this, he was also a physician and he was sort of raised to be the best person you can be kind of thing. But his father attempted to build this kind of... Do you have goblins in this? Hell yeah. There's all kinds of crazy people in this. Jamie Lee Curtis is in this.

So go on. Christopher Lloyd's in this. Oh no. Sorry. So anyway, his father attempted to build this overthrusted device, which is like this dimension-busting sort of engine that you can use it to put on your car and you can use it to drive through solid objects and through dimensions and stuff like that.

This is pre-Back to the Future as well. And so Bakaru Banzai finally perfects his father's device and then he encounters aliens. And then John Lithgow, who has been in a mental like a mental institution prison for decades who used to work with his father like he hears about it and he's like i'm gonna i'm gonna get revenge for some reason and then his brain is infected by evil aliens and and okay so it's a whole it's a whole situation anyway uh buckaroo barnsley has a, like he's got a team of equally cool 80s dudes called the Hong Kong Cavaliers

who hang out with him during all his adventures. And anyway, this movie ends with, anyway, I should give it another watch. It's pretty fun, but I haven't watched it in years. Life's short. Yeah, it is, isn't it? That's enough. But it ends with Buckaroo Banzai will return

with Buckaroo Banzai against the World Crime League. Great. Right? But it never did. No. So I mention that because the rumor was always that that script, Buckaroo Banzai against the World Crime League, was turned into Big Trouble in Little China.

Oh. But I don't know if there's any evidence of that. Okay. But that's, yeah. That's interesting. Yeah, right? That's a movie that I ultimately should have gotten a sequel. I don't know.

It did not do well as far as I know. It's got some interesting ideas. Yeah, I think it was a movie that cost like $20 million and then it made like $6 million or something like that. So that's never coming back. Although the original screenwriter and director did write some prequel. Pornography after this. They've written some prequel comics.

There's an origin comic. Okay. And there's a couple of spinoffs that were illustrated, I think, by the storyboard artist from the original movie. Okay. Which I have not read and I don't know if I ever will. I don't think Peter Weller works as a lead in this kind of role. Right.

As this all-round cool 80s guy who can do everything. Because he's got a little body and a big head. He always looked kind of like a dad as well. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know. Like if you would put somebody like, I don't know, Van Damme, for example. Yeah. That's too early for him.

I think a few years ago, Kevin Smith was like, I'm going to bring this back. Oh, really? Yeah. But then I think the studio that purchased, Kevin Smith was like, I'm going to bring this back. Oh, really? Yeah. But then I think the studio that purchased the Buckaroo Banzai property was then sued by the original owners. Right, okay. It's all in development hell, and so he walked away from it.

Right, okay. So that's never coming back. Well, what are you doing? I don't know. I feel like it's the kind of thing also that was way ahead of its time. Like if you went now, okay, there's this guy and there's aliens and there's science. It was taken before movies taped, mate. Yeah, and there's a crime league and there's all sorts of stuff.

You'd be like, oh, that sounds like a... It sounds like a lot of this is borrowed from comics. Yeah, exactly. It sounds like a Marvel Universe kind of thing. And people would be on board with that now. But back then they'd be like, this is too much. Right, yeah. This is absolutely just...

This is too much! Fantastic. Yeah. Well, that sounds interesting. I'll never watch it, but I might watch somebody's is too much. Fantastic. Yeah. Well, that sounds interesting. I'll never watch it, but I might watch somebody's review of that and see what the hell is going on. You should watch. If you watch that, put it on silent.

Put it on now. Yeah. Just go to YouTube and type in Buckaroo Banzai closing credits. Okay. And just watch it on silent. It's pretty good. I'm ready to go. Okay.

This one's good quality. It says brackets good quality.'m ready to go. Okay. This one's good quality. It says brackets good quality. All right, nice. Well, that's what you want. What the hell? Is stuff happening? They're making out and they close the blinds. Yeah, right.

And then it's cut to an alien. Is anybody walking? Is anybody walking through a canal? No. What's going on? It says watch for the next adventure of Buckaroo Bonsai. Buckaroo Bonsai against the World Crime League. That's very wrong? It says, watch for the next adventure of Buckaroo Bonsai. Buckaroo Bonsai against the World Crime League.

Okay. That's very wrong. There's a bit at the end of the movie where- Here it comes. Okay. There's a rope going over a dam. Yep.

And he's walking to the edge. Yep. Now he's walking. He's- Paris. That's the best thing. Why does he have the rope? So so for those watching at home there's a shirtless there's a guy with his shirt open so there's a cowboy what is this they're the hong kong

oh they're his friends they're his friends he's dressed like matt smith doctor who yeah so he throws a rope over this it's like a very generous slope and so very forgiving yes and he kind of abseils down it but it's oh that's incredible and they're just just hanging out they're all hanging out also i'm pretty sure that's the canal from terminator 2 yeah it might be wow anyway yeah that's all i need yeah pretty good right also mike from breaking bads in it yep saw that what an era yeah what an amazing era to be alive. We should quickly talk about Independence Day. Okay.

That movie, the sequel, set up a movie that I want to see as opposed to the movie that we got. Doesn't it though, right? Exactly. Which I thought was fine. I don't know why people thought it would be amazing. But yeah, they're talking about an intergalactic war. Yeah.

Like an Earth's going to be on the council because they've proven themselves. And Jeff Goldblum's like, let's do it. And Liam Hemsworth's like, I'm in this also. That's right. Yeah. And the girl's like, I'm a girl. Yeah.

Who played Earth? And Brent Spine is like, I'm crazy. Yeah. So, I mean, remember they were talking about trilogies. They were like, we'll get this one. It'll do well. And then we'll do our trilogy. Sure.

Maybe make the good one. Also, there's going to be three more. Oh, maybe this is going to be the first of three. Ugh. Yeah. See, I feel that the movie you're thinking about, this imaginary sequel or trilogy, Sure. it's good in your mind.

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. There's no way, based on this movie that we got, Resurgence, there's no way the next one would be better got in the resurgence there's no way the next one would be better than that somehow no absolutely not yeah how did fantastic four end the last one oh dear it ends with them all negative zone oh they stand over they're standing over no they're this they're aren't they're at a facility they're given a facility by the government oh yeah fantastic fouring and they're like we gotta come're given a facility by the government oh yeah that's right to do their fantastic foring and they're like we gotta come up

with a name for ourselves we could be we could be four cool dudes let's be the amazing bunch and Johnny Storm just takes a real swipe

at Ben Grimm for no reason that's right he's like what are they gonna call you the thing that no one wants don't just say that that's not really mean

real rude and you hadn't had any proper interactions in the movie up until that point you're open with that yeah weird anyway so then they're like hmm did i say fantastic four maybe they don't i think like it's one of those one of them has an idea well then i hope the sequel is just him going fantastic four and then it just it's 90 minutes of him saying four and he's got the lung capacity for it he does, that's right

and just things happen around him it goes to stop motion it goes to time lapse photography it's like that Peter Gabriel sledgehammer oh very good do you remember the end of Godzilla oh is that Warhol

what else is there? Like, do you want to see those characters again? Well, did it set up a sequel necessarily? Yeah. I mean, there's no way you make a superhero movie now and it isn't a sequel. But there isn't a sequel brewing, but... There was going to be an X-Men Fantastic Four movie.

Apparently it was written. So that means it's out there somewhere. Well, as soon as that movie came... Unless all the hard drives were destroyed. It's very possible well as soon as that movie unless all the hard drives were destroyed it's very possible as soon as that movie came out like even kind of even before it was really kind of like getting kicked they were like oh no this is a separate universe right like they made that clear and i guess if it did well which it was never going to they could have just said dimensions and absolutely so no that no, there is no way we'll see that version of the Fantastic Four ever again. No.

Not a chance in hell. I mean, obviously now we can't because Michael B. Jordan has been cast in Black Panther. That's true, yeah. So we can't have him again. No. And Jamie Bell's Tintin, so what do you do? Is he really? Yeah.

Are they doing a live-action Tintin? No, they did an animated one a few years back. The Spielberg one? The Spielberg one, yeah. Okay, right. There you go. And then Peter Jackson. Are you saying that just because Jamie Bell looks like Tintin?

No, he is Tintin. Oh, he is Tintin. Okay, right. I think he's more suited to Tintin than he is Ben Grimm. No, he's a big old bruiser, that guy. I love that. You know what? He did okay, considering what it was.

Weird choice. Especially when you see him before. Yes. And he's smaller than everybody else by quite a lot yes and he's protecting miles teller from bullies and there's that we've we did a whole episode yeah we did there's also that that moment where they enter a school science fair yeah and they're all 28 except But they're also up against really little kids, so it looks like they're even older than they actually are. Yeah, right. So weird.

Also, in that science fair project, they should have won, but they were like, this isn't a magic show because he teleports a car away. Yeah. But even if that was magic, that's better than... Anything else there. Egg cart and boat or whatever. Or a paper mache volcano.

Yeah, exactly. Oh, man. Godzilla 98, though. Do you remember the end of that? Yes, I do. One egg! One egg! But that does have a sequel in the animated series.

Okay, fair enough. And also one of the Japanese Godzilla movies. Oh, sure. In Godzilla Zero or something. Yeah. So in... Yeah, so in... At the end of Godzilla 1998,

Godzilla lays some eggs. Yep. Then they kill Godzilla and they blow up the stadium where all the eggs are in. But one egg survives and then do we see the claw coming out of the... No, it pops out.

Pops out, yeah. They're raptors, basically. So that actually was spun off into the animated series in which there is one egg. That egg hatches. That Godzilla imprints on Matthew Broderick's character and thinks Matthew Broderick's its mother.

So Matthew Broderick can order it around. So it's a giant-sized Godzilla? Yeah, it grows to Godzilla size very quickly. What does he do with it? He fights other monsters with it. Because in the cartoon, there's actual other monsters. Okay. See, that's like having like... And he's got the atomic breath oh good because it mutates further or something a good excellent that's what you want isn't it exactly that's i watched that series and all i did was just wait for him to use the atomic breath you watched the

whole thing yes how many episodes was it i know you it's one of the it's a cartoon where it's like the blazing sword he uses at the end of every episode. Or she. What's Godzilla? Asexual. There you go. Because they can lay eggs. Man, what an era.

I hated that movie so much even at the time. I think I was in that point in my life where I wanted to like it. Like it was so hyped up that I'm sure I convinced myself that it was good

on some level. It had the best trailer. It had the best soundtrack. Yeah. Not since Judgment Night have they fused rock and hip-hop together. Not until Jay-Z and Linkin Park, mate. That's very true, yeah.

Man, you got another one? Let me think of another one. We've got so many here. Okay. It's got Hitman 2007. I don't remember. Oh, by the way, spoilers for all of these, but it doesn't matter because they're all dead.

Yeah, exactly. It's got Hitman 2007 here. I don't remember. Oh, by the way, spoilers for all of these, but it doesn't matter because they're all dead. Yeah, exactly. It's got Hitman 2007 here. I don't remember what happened at the end of that, but I remember what happened in, I want to say Hitman Absolution. I don't know whether that's called that. Whatever the last, that might be a game. No, Hitman Absolution is a game.

The first one was just called Hitman. I think the second one was called Hitman Agent 47. Okay, great. Or maybe it was just called Agent 47. What was the name? What happened at the end of the first one? Hitman. Which I've seen, but I can't remember. Wait, was the name? What happened at the end of the first one? Hitman. Which I've seen, but I can't remember.

Wait, I don't remember what happens at the end of the first one, but I did see the last one. Oh, I see, right. It's shit. They're both shit. Great. But at the end, after he does all this hitman-ing, a door opens and there's another version of him

and they both kind of draw guns. Do they hold them sideways? Probably. That's what I did then. That's not to say that that's how that movie ended. But no, that's, oh, yeah. That's a chore, that movie. Want to go to another one?

Well, we were talking about Master of the Universe earlier. Oh, we're going back to that, are we? Yeah, well, we're going to go back to that because, I believe they called it like, it was Conan but a crushing bore or something like that. Because there was two Conan movies. There was Conan the Barbarian and Conan the Destroyer, right? I haven't seen the second one.

Well, Conan the Destroyer ends with, Conan kills everybody, obviously. Yes. And then the newly appointed queen's like, why don't you join me, Conan, and we'll rule the kingdom together. And he's like, nope, I've got more adventure to do. I'm off to be more Conan-ing. Eat a dick, I'm out of here. That's exactly what he said. And there was going to be another one called Conan the Conqueror.

Right. Which they might be making, though. Really? I don't know if this is a dead... With Arnold Schwarzenegger? Yes. Well, see, that's the thing, because... Conan ends the original one where he gets old. Yeah, I know. Anyway, see, that's the thing because... Conan ends the original one where he gets old.

Yeah, I know. Anyway, sorry, go on. Well, I was going to say that Arnold Schwarzenegger dropped out of that, but Conan the Conqueror was eventually rewritten as Carl the Conqueror. Oh, the Kevin Sorbo. The great Kevin Sorbo, yes. Well, it's the same universe, isn't it? Isn't Carl like a precursor to Conan?

Yeah, and they were both created by the same guy. Yeah. They're like, what else have you got? You created Conan the Barbarian, what else have you got? Isn't it the guy who did John Carter as well? Yeah. It's the same guy?

Yeah, it is, yeah. What's his name? William Rice Burroughs. Arthur Conan Doyle, correct. Yes. Oh, man. Did you, have you seen both of those? Robert E. Howard.

Okay, right. Who's William Rice Burroughs? Tarzan? No, maybe. Who did I Rice Burroughs? Tarzan? No, maybe. Who did I say? I might have said, if I said Edgar Rice Burroughs, that's Tarzan.

If I said Arthur Conan Doyle, he's Sherlock. Which did you say? There's too many names. It's not relevant. Doesn't matter. Lee Harvey Oswald, I said. Very good.

Leave Extraordinary Gentleman, Sean Connery is killed. Yes. His last movie he ever did. Is that a hand burst out of the... I think it's a... Might be. It's at least a grave shake.

Yeah, sure. Yeah. But that was kind of like what The Mummy is. Just a whole lot of characters come together, but it doesn't really work in any way, even though the source material of previous versions of this have clearly worked really well. But I remember viciously hating that movie. Oh it's real bad yeah but you do hear a lot

of kind of like it's not that bad it's got some good ideas but no it's bad no good that is that was the era that richard roxburgh went to hollywood for two movies yeah that's right daddy did bad house yeah that's right yeah but um that like people would be like oh my god that's such a fresh take unless you consider any number of comic book properties that have done that so many times before. I mean, there was that. There was also like Marvel had the Howling Commandos, not the World War II Howling Commandos,

but the Howling Commandos that were just a series of monsters put together as a team. DC had the Monster Squad. Right, yeah. And obviously this is based on Alan Moore's League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which was much bigger in scope and much less dumb and much less...

Tom Sawyer. Yeah, much less... Much less cars. Much less X-Men knockoff. I remember at the time they started... It was even called LXG. It was called LXG at one point. Yeah, that's how they advertised it.

Because it had to have an X in it. Just to somehow trick all the grandparents that were buying their kids movie tickets to go to this movie. I don't know. Oh, it looks really expensive as well, from memory. Like, it was a very expensive film. Wow. Yeah.

God, no good. Mm-hmm. We should watch that again at some point and double an episode. Something to do with it at some point. I think it's going to be excruciating if we watch it again we do a commentary okay alright I've opened that door now

haven't I oh man Van Helsing yes how does that end because they were going to do a few weren't they yes

he kills a he kills a Dr Jekyll at the start yes and then Kate Beckins does he yeah

is that what happens at the start of that the whole it's quite good I remember the intro doesn't he kill Frankenstein at the start of that the whole it's quite good I remember the intro doesn't he kill Frankenstein at the start of that

no he kills Frankenstein during the movie oh I see potentially yes or he doesn't yeah because they

use Frankenstein's machines to create Dracula there's a Van Helsing TV series based on the no I think it's Modern Era

okay anyway like a newer one yes 2016 okay it's on Sci-Fi Channel there you go

let's check it out. Never got him. But there's a bit where he fights, yeah, at the start he fights Dr. Jekyll, like a giant version of him, like a hulked out kind of version of him. I have no memory of that. He cuts off his arm, because remember he's got those circular blades that he has? That's right. It might not be Dr. Jekyll, but the first five minutes Of that movie I remember being quite

It's in black and white Yeah It's got that real Monster movie kind of vibe It does It absolutely does But obviously It never panned out

It's not Look I don't think It's that bad It's fine I guess But I can see why They never made another one Look I'll just

I can't remember I couldn't remember How it ended So I've just Looked it up On Wikipedia So I'll just read it up on Wikipedia. So I'll just read you the last couple of paragraphs.

I'm ready. Which one's this, sorry? Which one are we doing? Okay, Van Helsing. Gotcha. The werewolf Van Helsing and Dracula battle. Yep. So if you recall, everybody turns into a Dracula or a Van Helsing at the end.

I remember. Dracula tries reasoning with the werewolf, but Van Helsing bites Dracula who dissolves into a skeleton, etc. Van Helsing kills a lady. Van Helsing returns to normal, stricken with grief over what he has done. Some other stuff happens. She's in the moon?

Yeah, she ascends into the clouds in a funeral pyre. While Frankenstein's monster rows away on a raft out to sea, Van Helsing and Carl, who's that, ride off into the sunset. I assume Carl's his helper, but who knows? I don't remember Carl at all. Carl. David Wenham's Carl. Oh, really good. Okay, great. I didn't know that. Oh, that's right. He was like his eagle man. Yeah, right. I remember that.

Was it his monk-like weapons maker or something? Yeah. Okay, right. His Q. Yeah. His Carl. His Carl. Why isn't that an expression? This is my Carl. This is my Carl. This is my Carl. Very good. So right off into the sunset, presumably for more hilarious adventures.

I think there could be a Van Helsing. There could absolutely be a franchise out of that. I think they should just put Hugh Jackman into this Universal Monsters universe. Why not? We speculated before The Mummy came out that Tom Cruise was going to be Van Helsing. Yes. But it turned out he was just Nick Morton. Yes.

So there's still room for Hugh Jackman to be Van Helsing. You know what? Do it X-Men style. Just throw him in in the modern day. Doesn't matter. Don't explain it. Nah. He's an ancestor.

Or just don't explain it. Don't explain it. Do you remember the end of Superman Returns? It doesn't exactly set up a direct sequel. But Bryan Singer had a lot of ideas. He wanted to go full Wrath of Khan for the sequel. What does that mean? Fighting.

Okay, sure. I presume it means fighting. Yes. Yeah, but I know he was like, yeah, I want to do a more action heavy kind of follow up. And I was actually looking forward to it. Slowly flying through space at odd angles in silence. That's what he wanted. I know you hate it

but I quite like it what Superman Returns oh yeah I hate it I thought you were going to say Wrath of Khan I'm like how dare you Wrath of Khan's

that's fine how dare you say that I would hate Wrath of Khan when it's fine yeah I get I get why people hate Superman Returns

like I just have a soft spot for it I totally get it it's in your bloody brain it is in my bloody brain but that plane catch is still phenomenal. I don't care what you say, Mason. I don't care what you say.

And they cut out, we talked about this before, they cut out one of the most interesting bits, where he visits Krypton. Anyway, I kind of wish we had seen a new one. Because also, there is kind of, people do debate whether Superman Returns is better than Man of Steel. There is that discussion. Actually, that would be interesting on Twitter. Which do you think is better? Yeah. Because you'd than Man of Steel. There is that discussion. Actually, that would be interesting on Twitter.

Which do you think is better? Yeah. Because you'd say Man of Steel. Yes. But I don't know. Because neither of them are perfect. Sure. But I could definitively say that I like Man of Steel much more.

I mean, Man of Steel has some holes in the plot and maybe you don't love the characterisation of Superman in it, but Superman Returns is boring. It's so boring and sad and dull. And sepia. Sepia tone. It did set up that Superman's got a kid now, which is now canon in...

Which, you know, over the years has variously been canon in Superman stories. Sure, yeah. But it seems like they mean it this time. They definitely mean it this time. Yeah, which I think is cool. How long do you think it is before they erase his kid? Yeah, I don't know, next reboot or whatever. I don't know.

Do you reckon they'll kill his kid? No. That's not really Superman. Like, he's not a grief kind of... No, that's very true, yeah. If they do, it won't be for long. I don't know. Or maybe they will to shake it up.

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they're in the comic books. They've reached that point Maybe they will to shake it up. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they're in the comic books they've reached that point where they're like, you know what, it's weird that none of these characters

ever evolve and maybe it's time to do that. Like now we've got Damien Wayne as Robin and he seems to be evolving as a character.

Yeah. And Batman's got a son now and they haven't erased him. Yep. And Superman's going to, it's working for me.

I think it's a good angle for Superman. I think it kind of humanizes him he's the most dad like of the he totally is he's the DC hero

DC dad DC's dad exactly do you think he's a better dad than Batman yes infinitely Batman's one of the worst dads

yeah how many how many sons has Batman got killed how many sons has he punched personally so many yeah

yeah he's lucky that the universe gets rebooted every few years because he's killed Batman got killed. How many sons has he punched, personally? So many. Yeah. Ah. Yeah, he's lucky that the universe gets rebooted every few years, because he's had a lot of sons killed. He's killed all of his Robins. I'm pretty sure, yeah. Has he killed Dick Grayson? He's definitely knocked one of his teeth out. Yeah.

Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. I didn't see... No, I did see this. I was going to say Percy Jackson's Sea of Monsters. That had a sequel. There's two of them. Yep. I haven't see... No, I did see this. I was going to say Percy Jackson's Sea of Monsters. That had a sequel.

There's two of them. Yep. I haven't seen them. Planet of the Apes, 2001. Yes. Oh, boy, did that set... Yeah, of course I have. That set up the... That's my favourite movie.

I love it. Is that a sequel? Is that set up a sequel or is that just a twist ending, though? Because if you look at the original Planet of the Apes, the twist is that it's Earth all along or whatever. Someone sent me a really good meme from that recently. I can't remember. I apologise.

I'm pretty sure that... Like that was supposed to be standalone. Yeah, but here's the thing. I think that if it were anybody other than Tim Burton, I would have said they've set this up as a sequel. But because it's Tim Burton, that's just a wacky. Yeah.

He doesn't really, I mean, he has, he's done sequels, hasn't he? Yeah. I'm sure he has. He's done Batman Returns. Of course. Yeah. But I, it seems like just, but to me it just feels like a twist. I mean, it's not a good twist, but I don't know whether it's, it was like a promise of

a movie where Mark Wahlberg has to fight ape cops on Earth. So if you haven't seen it... Just watch this part if you haven't seen it. It won't affect the rest of the movie. Right, so Mark Wahlberg is an astronaut. He ends up on a planet where there are human intelligent apes. Yeah, because they put them there and whatever. That's right.

They're experimenting. That's right. And then he goes back to Earth, but somehow the apes have beat him there. Yeah. And they've taken over human society perfectly. But, yes. Sorry, keep going. And they've replaced Abraham Lincoln's statue with a statue of an ape.

Abraham Lincoln. Yeah. Precisely. Because Caesar got there. Is it Caesar? No, the bad guy. The Tim Roth ape. That's the Tim Roth ape.

Yes, right. Because even though Planet of the Apes, the Tim Roth ape. That's the Tim Roth ape. Yes, right. Because even though Planet of the Apes, this version is set in the future. Yes. And then he goes into the far future and then he travels back to the past, but he travels back to present day. Yes. Because it's the present day when he arrives back on Earth. Yes.

But Tim Roth ape must have arrived in Lincoln's era. Right, sure, yeah. Oh, okay, is that what you're saying, right. I think that's what it is. I mean, it's a twist. Very intriguing, isn't it? No, because it's just a series of things. Couldn't he have just replaced Lincoln's head with a monkey head?

No, I think the idea was that he got back early. Right. Because if Tim Roth ape arrived back in modern day, he was fairly primitive. Their ape society was fairly primitive. They didn't have weapons. I think maybe they had guns and spears. Right.

But if that one smart ape arrived back on Earth now. Yes. He's not taking over. That's true. You're right. So you take him back to Lincoln's era. I guess you're probably right. Yeah.

That's different. That's right. Yeah. You can't hit him's era. I guess you're probably right. Yeah. That's different. That's right. Yeah. You can't hit him with a nuke. People would immediately surrender. Exactly. Here's the thing though. Planet of the Apes 2001 is more accurate to the original book than it is.

Really? The 1960s version takes more liberties. Why is that? Here's the final paragraph of Planet of the Apes novel on Wikipedia. What do you reckon about that? You are crushing it with research this week. I'm doing heaps of research

because I don't remember anything. Okay, so the good guys escape from the planet in Planet of the Apes, right? They program to fly their ship back to Earth. As they fly over Paris, all the airport and the Eiffel Tower look the same because they're French. They're going back to France. Sure.

When they land, however, they are greeted by a field officer in a jeep who is a gorilla, right? And the frame story of the book is that there's a couple, like they're floating through space, like it's the future and they- They're not just frozen in space. No, they're in a spaceship, right? They're called Jin and Phyllis, right?

And they find like a message in a bottle kind of thing with a manuscript. In space. It's in space, right? It's a manuscript and it's about this astronaut who goes to the planet Betelgeuse and he encounters the planet of the apes. What?

Look, it's not the point. Anyway, so... So was that the Charlton Heston guy then? Yes. Oh, and the twist is the astronauts are apes. Correct. I knew this. Yes.

Right, okay. That's right. So they're reading the story of this man. Yes. But you don't know that they're... Yes, I've gone. But they're apes. It's revealed in the end they're apes.

Everybody's an ape. So who flies over Paris that they're... Yes, I've gone. But they're apes. It's revealed in the end they're apes. Everybody's an ape. So who flies over Paris? They do. No, the human guy. So he comes back to Earth and then writes a manuscript and shoots it into space. I guess.

You're right. It is more like the Tim Burton one. Isn't it though? It's nonsense. Correct. It's hot nonsense. It's very hot nonsense. It's piping hot nonsense.

Is that a French book? It's a French book. There you go. Was the ape in the jet smoking? La planète des singes. I did know that, actually. Known in English as Planet of the Apes and Monkey Planets. Yes, I did a video on it, on Planet of the Apes facts.

I do remember that from like three years ago. So there you go, cop that. Is it a better film? Absolutely not. Well, is it a better film than the Charlton Heston movie? The Charlton Heston one is hilarious. But is it good? I think it's got some good ideas. But is it a better film than the Charlton Heston movie the Charlton Heston one is hilarious but is it good I think it's got

some good ideas but is it good Charlton Heston answer me yeah I'll say it's good for the era alright yeah

that's fair enough Charlton Heston is not a good actor I'm saying the Planet of the Apes movie from the 60s and the Planet of the Apes movie from 2001

people are like oh my god the Charlton Heston one is a classic and this one is garbage I'm saying they're both garbage. I'm saying they're both equally as good as each other, whether you enjoy them or not.

It's just they were produced in different eras. 2001, it was all just CGI. There's a lot of prosthetics in that. And just battle sequences. And in the one from the 60s, it's just Charlton Heston yelling because that was acting back then. And talking about women he slept with. Exactly. They're the same thing.

Are they better than the modern ones? Of course not. The modern ones are great. Yeah, they certainly are. Very good. Imagine living in those years. Imagine living in the 60s or 2001. Try and imagine it.

That's the weirdest thing, isn't it? Because a lot of those movies that I went and saw in 2001, they are unacceptable as films nowadays. Yeah, totally. And I think, yeah, I mean, obviously time moves on, but like now we look back and be like,

I can't believe we had to see the likes of The Mummy reboot. Exactly. Anyway, have you seen Lemony Snicket? No. It's a good film. I think it's all right. I mean, it compresses a lot of the books. the mummy reboot exactly anyway have you seen Lemony Snicket no it's a good film I think it's alright I mean it compresses

a lot of the books I think I enjoyed it more than I enjoyed the TV series which is dour and not fun okay but is the TV series the TV series

isn't a continuation no it's essentially the same thing but stretched out I mean I understand why people like it and it does adhere

more to the books but I think the movie was quite so why didn't Lemony Snicket the movie get a sequel? I have no idea. Righty-o.

Couldn't answer that question, but I think it's okay. Here's an interesting one. I'm ready. Master and Commander, colon, the far side of the world. Yes. Which means it was gearing up for another one. That's a series of books, isn't it? Yes, it is.

So in that, Russell Crowe, it's boat gladiator, essentially. So it's off the back. I think it might even be, no, it's not Ridley Scott, is it? No, you're thinking of gladiator. It might be Peter Weir. Could be Peter Weir. Yeah. Anyway, he's the master and commander.

He's sailing across the ocean. He's getting up to nautical adventures with, what's his name? The Vision. What's his bloody name? I can see Thomas C. Howe. He's getting up to nautical adventures with, what's his name? The Vision. What's his bloody name? I'm going to say Thomas C. Howe. It's not him. You're thinking of C. Thomas Howe. I am.

C. Thomas Rohn. Paul Bettany. Paul Bettany. And they're up to adventures and they've got to fight the French. And at the very end, Your choice there, when you're editing this,

is to either cut out the amount of time that we had to think before we could think of the actor Paul Bettany or extend it for like a full minute. That's your choices. That would be a great... I think the payoff would be quite good for a minute long. Yeah, I think so.

But I think a lot of people would think there's something wrong with the podcast. We get a lot of tweets. Yeah, that's true. And anyway, at the end, they capture a French vessel and they leave a guy behind who they don't realise is the captain and then they have to go back for him because they're like, oh my God, the guy that we thought was just some kind of crew member was actually the captain of the French vessel.

Trouble's afoot. And then they set off. And I think Paul Bettany gets his arm cut off or something at some point. Also, Russell Crowe, the other thing I remember about this movie is Russell Crowe learned to play the violin. Really? This one particular song. He took it so seriously that he can't play the violin,

but he could play that one song. Wow. Because he's the greatest actor and violinist in the world. Was it a Coors song? Yeah, it was a Coors song. It was Love to Love You by the Coors. That's what I thought. That's what I thought.

And we all remember Russell Crowe's amazing virtuosic turn in Virtuosity. The film Virtuosity. Now, we all remember his incredible turn playing the violin in Master and Commander, don't we? No, obviously we don't. I remember that because, to me, that's hilarious. Right. You know how long that would take to do? Yeah.

You know how precise you have to be to be that good? And you can't just rote learn. No, you can't. rote learn no you can't you can't just be like all right i go one two three four five six seven eight and then you have to learn the violin i mean i feel like as well he did it on set and then they dubbed it oh sure i don't know that for a fact but i remember hearing like richard gear did it in a movie and he kind of did it so it looked like he was doing it but they just okay so how does it look on screen i mean i don I don't know how to... Yeah, I don't think so.

Because if they cut around, then... Yeah, exactly. I mean, I don't... I'm not a violinist. I'm sure if you are a violinist, you'd be able to tell. But if you're a violinist, you're probably not watching Master and Commander. No.

You're playing the bloody violin, mate. That's right. Yeah. You're probably playing... Runaway. Yes. By the course. By the course.

Were you looking for a Course song then? Is that what you were doing? No, I was trying to think of... What's that movie Miles Teller was in? At A Minute? Whiplash. Whiplash. You're watching Whiplash, right?

Yeah. Yeah. It's about drumming, but anyway. Yeah, I know. I get it. Do you? Yes. Another one on this list is Left Behind from 2014.

Why would I have seen Left Behind? Do you mean the series of Christian films? Oh, it might be, yeah. Power Rangers is on this. We've talked about it. That's not getting a sequel. The new one. Did it?

See, that's the thing. We saw that like a couple of months ago, right? I don't remember how it ended. How does it end? I don't know. Did you ever see Push? The Chris Evans... It's kind of a comic book movie.

Yes, I did. Is that good? I've heard it's okay. I've heard it's not bad. Yeah, I've heard it's not amazing, but it's kind of... That being said, I can't remember if I finished it or not. Alan... Is Dakota Fanning in that?

Dakota Fanning's in it. Okay. Great. Is she a child prodigy who has push powers? Yeah, and Chris Evans just just focus your mind and then you use your powers and then you can see the power moving in the mood are you saying i could use my but yes we get it everybody that's what we're saying yeah that was kind of a chris evans had a bit of a lull he did have a lull he did cellular yes that's right which is i remember being quite

interesting yeah sure it's like a speed movie but with uh cellular yeah with cellular with phones lull. He did have a lull, yeah. He did Cellular. Yes, that's right. Which is, I remember being quite interesting. Yep, sure. It's like a speed movie, but with Cellular. Yeah, with cellular, with phones. But yeah, I guess that promised another one. There was another one here I was going to bring up. What the bloody hell was it, Mason? I can't bloody remember.

I feel like a bit of a goose. Apparently Assassin's Creed set up a sequel. Wow, well nobody did say it. Great, terrific. I had a good one. I can't Assassin's Creed set up a sequel. Wow. Well, nobody did say it. Great. Terrific. I had a good one. I can't bloody remember. It's not on this list.

Oh, no. Kick-Ass 2 did it. At the end, it's like, now Dave, if that's his name, is more muscular and there's going to be even more ass kicking than you've ever seen. Remember he's got the chrome helmet at the end? That's right. Yes. What do you think of that?

No good. And there's a lot of this, and we mentioned this at that live event that we did, there's a lot of teen series that wanted to be Harry Potter. Sure, yeah. So like Iron Number 4, which I have seen. I don't remember it being that bad. Golden Compass, The Giver.

Chronicles of Narnia, I guess, to some extent. Oh, there's been a few of those. Yeah, right. And they're doing it again. City of Ember. Yeah, exactly. The Giver, which is actually quite a good book. If you've ever read The Giver.

The Divergent series? Yeah, no good. Eragon, that came off the back of Lord of the Rings. Well, you've got to try them, don't you? You've got to try. You've got to give them a whirl. You know? Super Mario Brothers.

Yes. That ends with, I don't remember what her name is. Her name might be Daisy. Yes. The woman who's from the dinosaur world who's Luigi's girlfriend. Yes. Shows back up through a portal to Mario and Luigi's house. That's right.

She's dressed Ripley style. Yeah, she's like, we've got to go back and do adventures. That movie is, what a swing and a miss. Absolutely. Just so much of that is just what were you thinking? Well, our friends over at Filthy Casuals did a live commentary of that movie. And when I say live commentary of that movie, everybody in the room mutually agreed at about the hour mark that it was really, really terrible. And nobody was enjoying it, ironically even,

so they switched it off. It's pretty great. That's fair, yeah. I don't fault them for that. You got any more? We don't want to wrap this up. Yeah, let's wrap it up. All right, very good. Was there a Kick-Ass 3 comic book?

Yes. I feel there was. There was. And maybe it was all in his mind or whatever. I'm sure there are other examples of stuff here. But, I mean, do you really want to talk about the Amazing Spider-Man series? We've done it to death.

Done it to death, yeah. It's got Daredevil here, but Daredevil kind of did get a sequel to Elektra. So yeah. Do you ever see Dead or Alive? Yes. Let's read the final paragraph

of its Wikipedia just to see what happens. It's got the great Eric Roberts as the villain. It's got Street Fighter here as well. How did Street Fighter end? They all pose in front of the camera. I bet they all pose.

Yeah, exactly. But I don't remember that specifically setting up a sequel. Raul Julia's just shaking his fist and he's like, I'm definitely going to be back. He's dead. But he didn't know that not only did he die in the movie, he died in real life. Exactly.

Last movie he ever did the movie, he died in real life. Last movie he ever did. Oh, I see. Dead or Alive ends with the main characters getting ready to fight a whole bunch of ninjas, like an army of ninjas. Is that guy ever going to make another one of anything? Eric Roberts? No, no, that director?

Paul W. No, wait. Corey U.N. Oh, I thought it was one of those Uwe Boll movies. No, it's not. Really? Yeah, it's different. Let one of those Uwe Boll movies. No, it's not. Really? Yeah, it's different. Let's look up Uwe Boll and see what he's up to.

What's he doing? Not Uwe Bill. What are you doing? Why would they autocorrect Uwe Bill? That's crazy. It says, Uwe Boll is a retired German-born Canadian filmmaker and restaurateur. Slash psychopath. Yeah.

But he's retired, apparently, from both filmmaking and restaurants. The restaurant biz. Okay. So he's retired apparently from both filmmaking and restaurant. The restaurant biz. Okay. So he's made enough money from the... From the tax loophole that enabled him to make so many movies in Germany, yes. And then he made that real racist video. Yeah. Remember that?

Yeah, yeah. Also Hulk. It's got Hulk here. Oh, yes. From 2003. I don't remember that specifically setting up a sequel. Oh, no, it does because he's in the forest and he's like, you won't like it when I'm Eric Banner.

He was a bad Hulk. Yeah, absolutely. I like Eric Banner a lot, but that was really weirdly cast. Yeah. Anyway, that'll do it, Mason. We did it. If you've got any, tweet them at us. Let us know.

Yeah. But, you know, you don't have to. Green Lantern, of course. Ghostbusters from last year. Yeah, sure. Promised to Zool. That's right. Yeah, sure. Promised to Zool. That's right. Yeah, that's never happening.

Yeah. Well, do you know what it's time for then? What's it time for? What are we reading? Oh, what are we going to read? I've changed it. Which is a segment we do. Yeah.

It's mostly about stuff we watched. Yeah, right. It's not reading. I read something this week. I also read something this week. We need a gap for the theme song. Okay. But I'm just saying, we'll do the gap, but then I'm going to tell you about a thing I've been reading because I read a thing week. I also read something this week. We need a gap for the theme song. Okay. But I'm just saying, once we do, we'll do the gap,

but then I'm going to tell you about a thing I've been reading because I read a thing. I'm excited. Okay. I'm doing a thing. I'm doing a thing. What are we reading today? Theme?

I've done it. Oh, it's in. Okay, cool. For us, it's been mere seconds. For the listeners, it's been slightly more mere seconds. I read a DC book called Dark Days of the Forge. I don't know if you read that this week. I have not read that.

It's the opening salvo in what I assume is DC's new mega crossover situation. Okay. Basically, it's a, basically it's, um, hang on, I'll find it real quick. I don't have time for this,

Mason. No, you've got, we've got nothing but time. Don't, don't lie to me and pretend. It's, uh,

it's, it's bringing back a lot, like it's bringing back a lot of characters that, look at, look at that, look at that cover page. Is that Batman? Yeah.

So it's, so it's Scott Snyder and James Tinney in the fourth. Is there two Batmans on that page? Yeah, there's a regular Batman down here. Yeah. So it's Scott Snyder and James Tinney in the fourth. Is there two Batmans on that page? Yeah, there's a regular Batman down here and then there's sort of a gigantic

some sort of evil Batman statue. But anyway, it is super, super it's a lot of fun. It's sort of like Grant Morrison era Justice League.

Yeah. Like there's so much happening in it. That's your fave. And they've reintroduced a whole bunch of characters that haven't been in the Rebirth universe yet

like Plastic Man and Hawk Man and other things right they're you're just gonna say that every time no no i think i had it ready to go in my head but then you said other things other things there's definitely other things uh and it's sort of batman's got a secret he's got a secret he's been storing away in the fortress of solitude did he murder someone no bet he has. He might have. Yeah.

Anyway, and there's throwbacks to the New 52 universe and Crisis on Infinite Earths and all sorts of... If you don't know these specific things that happened, would it impede you reading this book? Probably. I think you will enjoy the ride. Okay. So this is leading up to Dark Knight's Metal,

which is apparently some sort of crossover where evil Batman from various parallel dimensions are going to come to the regular DC Universe and cause some ruckus. Cool. We'll see Owlman then. We might see Owlman. Yeah.

Actually, I think their new parallel universe, evil Batman. They're not going to put Owlman in there. I don't think Owlman then. We might see Owlman. Yeah. Actually, I think their new parallel universe evil Batman. They're not going to put Owlman in there. I don't think Owlman's going to be in it. Why wouldn't they put him in there? I don't know. Anyway, okay, good. Great. That sounds really good.

Real good, yeah. I might just read that when it comes out, though. Yes. But yeah, it's sort of shades of Grant Morrison's, you know, where they can just be like, here's a potential future where everything's doomed and here's a parallel universe where everything's doomed and Batman's got to come in and save everything and et cetera.

Oh, it's got some good alternate covers there. Yep. Very interesting. Is it like a 40-page one? Is it one of those ones? I can't count, so I don't know. You can read, but you can't count. Correct.

That's very interesting. Isn't it, though? Yeah. Well, I read something DC as well, actually. What's that? This is what I was going to mention last week, but I forgot. They finally wrapped up The Dark Knight Returns Volume 3. Oh, did they?

Fantastic. They did something like eight or nine issues. It might have only been eight. Over 18 months. Yeah, right. I'd forgotten about it. I kept forgetting about it because it would be like three or four months in between. But they wrapped it up.

Spoiler alert, Batman's young again. Because of nanotechnology? No, he goes into the Lazarus pit, but it seems to have no repercussions. Great. Terrific. They beat all the Superman. I thought the core idea of it was interesting. Sure.

They break open the city of Kandor. Okay. And it turns out there's like a weird cult in there. Okay, sure. That have kind of taken over, and then they out there's like a weird cult in there okay sure that have kind of taken over and then they try to rule earth oh that's the master race he's referring to yes that's the master what point was this revealed like two issues in or is it just recently two yeah it might have been two maybe the end of one uh-huh but um no i quite like that idea and i think i might have even liked it more if it had have been month to month, we could have kept track of it. I think it's better than Volume 2,

but it's just really mediocre. Sure. You know what I mean? It's just... And this is Frank Miller writing with somebody else, right? Brian Nazarello, maybe? So this means that soon we're going to get Dark Knight 4, which is 100% Frank Miller, right?

I'm going to double check. It might not be Brian Nazarello. I might be wrong on that. You don't want to blame someone unnecessarily. Here we go. Yeah, Brian Azzarello. Is that who I said? Yes.

Also, Mason, we thought we'd try something. We're doing this on a few podcasts on the network. Yes. This is a good time as Eddie to bring this up, don't you think? Oh, yes. We thought we might every now and then, or maybe even weekly, who knows, we thought we'd throw in a short clip from the or a kind of a promo from some other podcasts

from On The Planet Broadcasting Network correct yeah so this week a lot of people would probably already listen to this who listens to this

yes it's Do Go On yep it's a show where basically they just they well Matt's been

on the show before yes he has he was on the what was he on the universes? The weird conjoined universes. Yes, I think it was. Yeah. Yeah.

A lot of people really liked him, but basically there's three of them. It's Jess, Matt and Dave. And every week one of them does a report on an interesting topic, interesting topic. And it's always interesting no matter what it is. Last week it was on chap chaplain, which I thought, which chap chaplain chap Charlie chaplin's deformed younger brother. Yes.

But, yeah, it's well worth checking out. Yeah. So, Mason, here's a clip. How many weeks are you pregnant for? Me? I turn around pretty quickly. It's about nine months. We could have had two babies by now.

I don't think that's right. I'm talking about two separate women, as I often do. Who would you say is one of the most successful fiction writers in history? Agatha Christie. Moderns. We're going J.K. Rowling. Stephanie Meyer. No.

R.L. Stine. No, it's not R.L. Stine. Go further back. Initial initial initial surname. A book that is a big book and has been split into several films. H.H. Holmes Christ. Now, H, H, Holmes Christ. Now, Mason, for us it's been mere seconds, but for everybody else it's been more.

It's been an entire episode of Do Go On, which we just edited in there. But, yeah, so ideally we're going to round robin these. Yeah. Like if you listen to Filthy Casuals, there might be a bloody promo. If you listen to Do Go On, there might be a promo for somebody else.

Exactly. Yeah, we'd love it if everybody gave all these shows a listen. Correct. It would be real good. Very good. I hope you're ready for the next theme song. Oh, before we do that, have somebody else exactly and we'd love it if everybody gave all these shows a listen correct very good I hope you're ready for the next theme song oh before we do that special shout outs

to Rowan Coast who featured us on the Guardian yeah that was a very pleasant surprise yeah so yeah was it Aussie podcast

that you should be listening to yeah and there's two really good ones and us at the bottom yeah so weird but no that was really nice to see was it Aussie podcast? That you should be listening to. Yeah. And there's two really good ones. And us at the bottom. Yeah. Yeah. So weird.

But no, that was really nice to see. We really appreciate that. So, you know, it's always, it's always nice to get. And they say some very glowing things about you,

which some people took issue with. It says, she says, oh, he really sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Well, I've got her fooled. Haven't I, eh?

I'm just reading from the Wikipedia most of the time. That's it. Every week I edit out the bit where you go, I'm just going to read the last paragraph of Wikipedia from this. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, it was a really nice article. So, thank you very much for that.

Yeah, and we get a shout out from time to time, which is real, real sweet. That's right. The Onion AV Club called us dot, dot, dot irreverent. Is that from like four years ago? Yeah, something like that, yeah. Wow, look at us go. I know, right? us dot dot dot irreverent is that from like four years ago yeah something like that yeah wow look at us go i know right we're just shattering the boundaries of new media that's right four years

at a time finally yeah we're we're shattering the boundaries of new media by occasionally appearing in old media that is actually important anyway good stuff good anyway we're gonna talk about letters probably we're gonna do some. The classic one was letters, oh letters. We love you, some letters. They're only a day my way. I know they're here right now. We're going to do letters. Good work, Mason.

Thank you. You want to do your letter first? I'll do a letter. Or do you want me to do my tweets first? Yeah, fine. Give us a tweet. Okay, here we go. If you want to reach the show on Twitter,

you can hashtag WeeklyPlanetPod. We will find it and read it out. Then we'll find you. Yeah. Yeah. Then we'll hunt you for sport. That's right. Or you can hunt us for sport,

depending on where the Patreon goes. Depending on the tiers. So yeah, you can also send an email. Mason's all over the email. WeeklyPlanetPod at gmail.com. That's right. So this is from Liam O'Brien on Twitter. He says,

Do you think Peter Parker will get a trilogy then be replaced with Miles Morales? Oh, that'd be really good. Yeah. I would enjoy that a lot. I feel like Tom Holland's in for the long haul. Yeah, right. Unless they really botch this.

Like Sony take control back and ruin it. Do you think there's enough time in three Spider-Man movies to have him go from, I'm a teen and I don't know what I'm doing, and what's life anyway, to being a mentor-style character? I think so.

The new Spider-Man game, Spider-Man on PS4, which is just called Spider-Man, Miles Morales is revealed at the back end of that trailer. Oh. And it's also in that universe. It's separate from the comics. It's separate from the movies, which I think is a great move. That Peter Parker is 23. So Tom Holland, by the time a third, fourth movie rolls around, will be 23 at minimum. So I think it's absolutely possible. Why not have a 23-year-old mentor a 15-year-old? Sure, right.

I think that's great. Especially if they've got incredible powers and are always jumping into dangerous situations. What could possibly go wrong? Yeah, man. I was an advocate for introducing Miles Morales, like kicking off this universe Spider-Man already existed. Yeah, right.

I mean, I guess he could have. I mean, it would kind of be weird that it never came up prior, I guess. But, and jumping straight to Miles Morales because we've seen Peter Parker twice. Yeah, right. But that being said, I do like the way they've been handling it. So, I think they'll, I think they absolutely have plans to do it. Yeah, sure. But they wouldn't have cast it.

The kid who's going to end up being him is like, will be eight now. Sure, right. Yeah, exactly. No, is that someone you want to see? Yeah, definitely. And in the Ultimate Universe as well, the original Spider-Man is killed. Yes.

And Miles Morales takes over. But now all the universes have merged. There was a convergence of sorts, wasn't there? There sure was. There was a web of shadows or whatever. Yeah, I guess. What was it called? I can't remember.

I don't know either. Spider Dimensional Activity. Yeah. i also did another video where i talked about how they should do that storyline where they should bring back all the previous spider-man like all the weird comic book version japanese version toby mcguire andrew garfield just bring them all back for one insane movie spider ham yes yeah absolutely all of it you know like the japanese one who's got the big back for one insane movie. Spider-Ham? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. All of it. You know, like the Japanese one who's got the big Voltron robot? Sure, sure.

There's an Italian Spider-Man. Yeah. Bring them all back. When would this happen? When would this happen? You'd have to get a couple movies here. Exactly, right? You can't open with that.

Maybe in three. But I think that would be interesting to... I mean, I don't care what Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man's doing. I thought he was a good Spider-Man. I didn't really like his Peter Parker, but I would genuinely like to see what Tobey Maguire Spider-Man's been doing. You can't do Tobey Maguire and not Andrew Garfield.

No, no, I'm saying you do both. Yeah, right. But more so I'd want to see what Tobey Maguire's up to. But you would leave the cinema in protest while the Andrew Garfield scenes are happening. I would stamp my little feet, mate. That's right. Okay, that would be fun.

Yeah, all right. And you could do like, you could do doppelganger, like evil versions of Spider-Man. There's a whole bunch of stuff you could do. I don't know whether they'll do that, but if they're looking, if Sony are looking to build a Spider-Man universe,

this is a way you can introduce Spider-Gwen. There's a whole bunch of stuff you can do from this. You don't need to do Aunt May spin-offs and Venom movies set in parallel dimensions or whatever the fuck they're doing. I think this, there was a few

Spider-Man movies and this opened the door to that, to some really cool stuff. I guess that's true but does it ruin the magic that there's so many Spider-Men?

Well, I feel like it's going to get, all these universes are going to have to get weirder to keep people more interested. Yeah, that's true, yeah. I think they're probably going to eventually make a Civil War 2 with captain marvel yeah okay yeah even though

a lot of people didn't love that comic including me but i think there is something interesting to that but they'll probably read i mean they streamlined civil war one yeah quite well for exactly so so yeah they i guess they have enough the the comic book side of the company in the movie side of the company there the movie side of the company there's enough separation that I guess one can learn from the other and they can go okay well Civil War 2 didn't really work

we'll streamline it again and maybe we can get a better version on screen kind of thing does it ruin the magic a little bit if there's two Spider-Man in the cinematic universe? but I guess this is Iron Man and a war machine if there's two Spider-Men in the cinematic universe. Yeah, I guess there's... But I guess there's an Iron Man and a War Machine. Yeah, that's right. Exactly.

Yeah. So not necessarily, depending how it's done. Yeah, I think there's nothing wrong with that. That's true. Yeah. Or there's everything wrong with it and I'm against it. Exactly. Which is it, Mason?

Ah! Hey, here's a letter. I'm ready. It's from Daniel Mascali on weeklyplanetpod.gmail.com. Yep. He's got an idea of how to save the dark universe

so reboot well this franchise ain't gonna work but he said instead of making the movies in between a horror and action movie

make them in the vein of old Abbott and Costello movies instead of Abbott and Costello meet the invisible man or Abbott and Costello meet the wolf man make it

The Rock and Kevin Hart meet Frankenstein or The Rock and Kevin Hart meet Dracula you're not a Kevin Hart meet Frankenstein or The Rock and Kevin Hart meet Dracula? You're not a Kevin Hart fan. Would you swap out Kevin Hart for someone else? Yeah. Like Josh Gad?

Maybe like a mop. The Rock and a mop meet Dracula. Well, that's just Toxic Avenger, isn't it? Yeah. Nice. We're adding the Toxic Avenger. The Rock and a mop fight the mummy. We're adding all the... what's that universe called?

The bloody. Oh, the Troma. We're adding everybody from the Tromaverse to the Universal Monsters. So Toxic Avenger, Sgt. Kabuki Man, NYPD, all the greats. All the other ones. Yep. That idea of his. Tromeo and Juliet.

Yes. James Gunn directed? Yeah. Did he? He did, didn't he? Probably. He wrote. Who cares? Yep. that idea of his Tromeo and Juliet yes James Gunn directed? yeah he did didn't he? probably he wrote who cares me good on him

I don't care that much no I like that I don't love the Kevin Hart idea but I like that kind of take on it yeah why not do something different would it be I mean more different than what we got

yeah and by different I mean better the thing is the thing is that Abbott and Costello were real people but also characters who essentially played

a weird version of themselves. So would it be The Rock, let's say it is The Rock and Kevin Hart or The Rock and a mop. Would it be The Rock and a mop

as The Rock or would it be another character? Would it be like his character in Fast and Furious meets Dracula? I think there would be

something fun to make it actually The Rock. Yeah, I think so too. But I think that's probably like his character in fast and furious meets dracula i think there would be there would be something fun to make it actually the rock yeah i think that's probably it's too much is it i think it's too much to have like monsters but it's also our world and it's also the rock like the real version of the rock i think it's too many things because there's not really is there anybody really who is themselves is is just a version of themselves on screen anymore last action hero arnold shows up real arnold shows up i guess this this was going to be the case many years ago uh who was it it was one of the john malkovich the movie that's another example yeah sure john Malkovich and a mop meets Dracula. You didn't go John Malkovich to the rock?

So it's one person and they have to be paired with a mop? The mop? I'm steadfast on the mop. We're not... The mop is written in stone, all right? Okay, sure. But what was I going to... Oh, yeah, so Kevin Smith was approached by the Weinsteins back in the 90s,

and they were like, well, let's make it. The guys from Dude, Where's My Car? No, they wanted Jane Silent Bob meets Freddy Krueger and meets Jason, which is why in Freddy versus Jason, there are those two weird stoner characters who seem a lot like Jane Silent Bob. Isn't that also a shot at Kevin Smith? Because he was like, no.

Probably. I'm not doing that. Potentially it was, yeah. I would have liked... That idea does not work now. But in the 90s, that may have... I mean, they're in Scream 3. That's true, yeah.

I think that idea could have actually... I mean, it wouldn't have been good, but it could have been interesting, yeah. It's got to be somebody. What about The Rock and Zac Efron? No, I think if Baywatch proved anything... Yeah, they don't work as a team? Well, I think they're okay,

but Baywatch was apparently written by people who have never written a comedy. Yes. And if you look at the cast, none of them are comedic actors. 21 Jump Street meets The Mummy. I'm going to just keep hammering at this. You know what?

That does work. Channing Tatum and and jonah hill but it's sony and universal so they wouldn't have to yeah that's true yeah but something in the style of that yeah i mean so who else do universal have i've got oh you could do fast and furious i guess people would like people would buy like seth rogan and i think so and i'm off yeah because they've they've done they They did This Is The End where they're themselves. Yeah.

Oh, there you go. I guess you need at least one movie where they are themselves. Okay. And then... I don't know. This is probably not going to work. No, I think there is something to that

where you do a comedic take on it like with horror elements. Yeah. But that's... I guess the thing is because you have to either... You have to either get two actors that people...

Where are they going to find two actors, Mason? I know, in Hollywood. Just get one actor and a mop. Or just one actor. Look, I'll bend a little. Any kind of cleaning implement. Oh, really? Yeah.

Maybe a Zamboni. A Shamwell? A Shamwell would work. Sure, yeah. A Shamwow. It's a Shamwow. I said wow. It's got wow in it.

Yeah, fair enough. Go on. A Zamboni is one of those little things they use to smooth ice hockey rinks. Oh, very good. Oh, they do damage. Yeah, right? Against the mummy. Yes.

Because you'd need two actors that people know as themselves and they're not pandering. Like the characters have to be written so it's not pandering yeah and also because if you were just like okay it's seth rogan and will ferrell as two characters two office workers and they meet the mummy yeah that's just a mummy movie right comedic mummy movie so i don't know okay so you need some twists on it yeah i guess we'll bring back kevin hart yeah yes kevin hart i was telling you recently i started to watch his special, his comedy special. I was astounded how bad it was.

Right? I'd never seen any of his comedy. I've nothing against him. I've seen him in things where I thought, yeah, he's fine. Just mind-bendingly terrible. It was like Madison Square Garden. It was like a thousand-foot screen. Yeah, right?

It just blew my mind how kind of pedestrian it was that man's mate that man made like 87 million dollars last year yeah i bet it did yeah anyway good on him good on him exactly different strokes this is from uh can't spell oh uh daniel also asked can he be the official ford villian of the pod yes you can no you can't oh wow all right that's overruled i'm putting my foot down yeah just this one time no that's fair Oh, Daniel also asked, can he be the official Fordvillian of the pod? Yes, you can. No, you can't. Oh, wow. Overruled. I'm putting my foot down. Yeah.

Just this one time. No, that's fair. No. Yeah, good. No, he's all right. Yeah. It's from Can't Spell, but it's spelled with a K and spell only has one L. Nice. Get it?

That guy can't spell. That's the... Yeah. Hashtag Weekly Planet Pods. What film genre will get big after the comic book movie? Ooh. Internet celebrity biopics? Hopefully. Who will play Meso in the film?

Mop. Mop? Yeah. Could I play myself? No, The Rock. It's going to be The Rock and a mop. Oh, man. Yeah, the Weekly Planet story.

Yeah, sure. I'd watch that. What do you think is the next big thing next big the rock's gonna have like a like a fred astaire style dance number you know you twirl them up to get it like sure you dunk it then you twirl them up yeah he's gonna do a bit of that like we do before every show we do a little dance jazzed for this that's right but uh no what do you we've talked about this briefly before what do you think so if the comic book movie dies off, which everything eventually does, what's next? Do you think they can move into different types of comic book movies?

I think we're definitely going to move away from straight origins and whatever. Yeah, right. Yeah. I mean, I don't think Hollywood is going to get tired of adaptations. I think we're stuck in that world forever. Yeah. It's an original... The idea of an original screenplay

based on nothing is going to get rarer and rarer. Right. But I think they might go into... I think they're definitely going to go into non-superhero comic books. Yeah, I agree.

I think they're going to go... It'll go... Superhero movies, then it'll go action movies with kind of a... Maybe like a weird sci-fi edge. Like Push? Like Push.

And then it'll go to just like just maybe you know the the further out the you know i mean like indie romance comics and stuff like that right yeah just just slice of life comics like a garfield like a garfield exactly yeah okay fair enough i've said this before but i think there's going to be oh they're already doing it bringing back franchises, like classic franchises and making, not rebooting it, but being like they did with Star Wars. Like they're going to,

they'll make probably another Harry Potter trilogy in 10 years. Hey, speaking of internet celebrity biopics, did I send you that Zach Braff trailer? No. No, I'm sure I did. You know that one where he's the head of a podcast yeah he's making a podcast is that a tv series or i think it's a tv series it's i have listened to that podcast it's about making a podcast network doesn't help me because i because we're doing a completely

different thing right we're not going for investors or anything we're just kind of winging it yeah sure but uh no it's it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. That podcast is quite interesting, but no. Oh, so this is a TV series based on a podcast? It's loosely based on a story. Oh, they're doing it Maron style. They're doing it Maron style, yeah. Have you seen Glow? What's that again?

That is the gorgeous ladies of wrestling. Oh, that's not out yet. Oh, isn't it? No, it'll be on Netflix soon. No, that's the story of wrestling. A lovely lady. Yes. Yeah, female wrestling in the story of wrestling. A lovely lady. Yes. Yeah, female wrestling in the 80s, I guess.

Yeah, and I'll give that. It's got, what's her name from Community who I like? Alison Brie. Yeah. Yeah, and Marc Maron. So there you go. Oh, yeah. I like him too.

Me too. He was in that Zach Braff podcast TV show. Yeah, he was. Was he? No. Yeah. What do you think of Zach Braff in general? I don't mind him. Yeah. Yeah, he was. Was he? No. Yeah. What do you think of Zach Braff in general? I don't mind him.

Yeah. Yeah. I think I... And like everybody, I love Garden State when it came out. Yes, that's right. Is it still any good? I have honestly no idea. What was his last movie?

Because I know a lot of people have turned on Zach Braff, but I don't... The last one I remember was he was in a movie with Rachel Bilson. Oh, he cheated on his wife or something? Yeah, something like that. He didn't write that, did he? Didn't he crowdfund his last movie and everyone lost their mind? Because they were like, you're a billionaire. Yeah, he cheated on his wife or something? Yeah, something like that. He didn't write that, did he? Didn't he crowdfund his last movie and everyone lost their mind because they were like,

you're a billionaire, you want to get a billion dollars? Yeah, that's true, yeah. Do you think there's anything wrong with that? No, not at all. I don't think so. I mean, because you don't have to crowd, you don't have to.

Exactly, if you're upfront about it. Yeah. He wasn't like... And he made it, which a lot of these people don't do. Exactly, right? They just keep the money. Yeah.

Happened to me once. I went on Kickstarter to get a watch. Yeah. They raised a million dollars and then it just never eventuated. What was the watch? At the time, this was pre-smart watch. Right. But it was like the world's thinnest watch.

So it was a watch but it was a thin watch. It was a thin watch. It was like a thin metal band and it had like an ink display and it was like less than a millimetre thick. When was this? This was in like 2012 or something. Oh, I thought

you were going to... So it was a really thin... I think there would have been thin watches in there. But this was thinner. Like a mil, right? Yeah.

Well, now we have the MVMT, the movement watches. That's right. Don't need those. Get them out of here. Exactly. Don't need your

million dollar watch thief. I reckon they just... So the next three years were just a series of blog posts about how, oh, we're running into production problems. We're doing this. Oh, nothing's working. Oh, we've got to... Whatever.

And then it just disappeared. So I reckon they just went, oh, we've got a million bucks now. Oh, yeah. We've got a million bucks. Allegedly. They cut and run. Do you think there should be some... You should get your cut and run. Do you think there should be some, you should get your money back?

Do you think there should be some kind of refund situation? But then again, if they did go into some form of production, then all the money's not going to obviously be there. Does there need to be some accountability, do you think, in terms of crowdfunding? Nah, it's the Wild West out there, baby. Yeah. So you don't think that there should be some repercussions if people do these startups and don i think the issue there is that i think that if i mean you take you roll the dice

when you yeah and i think the issue the issue in a lot of cases is what would happen is a lot of people would pay for like a watch for example they're like it's the way it's what you're gonna do you can do these things the thinnest watch it's the thinnest watch ever and then they might they deliver on the promise and i reckon a huge number of people would be like it doesn't it's it's a millimeter different here i want my money back and they'll keep the the watch kind of thing and then the whole system falls apart so it's sort of i don't know yeah fair enough yeah that's why i never promise anything in our patreon that's correct never promise you never have to deliver that's right under promise never deliver that's our motto. Never promise, under deliver.

Except for the human hunting. We will deliver on that. Oh, yeah, we're definitely going to do that. Yeah, that's absolutely going to happen. That is a concrete promise. As sure as I'm a mop. That's definitely happening. Yeah.

Okay. That's the show for this week. It is the show. Where can people find us? You can find us on Weekly Planet Pod on Facebook and Gmail and Twitter and Bandcamp. We've got to do another commentary. I know we do, yeah. Well, Claire's back this week.

Oh, good. I can go back to having some sleep as opposed to no sleep. Fantastic. And we've also got to do the Q&A. Yeah, we'll do the Q&A. So that's priority number one. That's priority number one. So, yeah.

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