The Weekly Planet - 20 The Best DC Animated Movies

Episode Date: February 10, 2014

This week, we discuss the week in movie covering Batman VS Superman, Age Of Ultron and more plus we look at as many of the DC Animated films as we can jam in. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back everyone to another episode of the Weekly Planet, official podcast of Comic Book Movie. My name is James. With me is my co-host Nick Mason. It's another week of comic book stuff, Mason. What do you think? I thought you were going to say it's an honour. It is.

I thought you were going to refer to being in the same room as me. Oh, no. That's definitely not an honour. That's a thing that I'm forced to do. It's sort of a legal obligation. Why do I force you to do this? You kind of do, yeah. I tell you what, it's a lovely day outside, but I wouldn't have known because I spent

all this morning in a dark room watching DC animated films. They're pretty good, though. Yeah, they're pretty great. And we'll get to that, won't we? I guess so. Yes. Unless I storm out. There might be a storm out.

Now, in some parts of the world, including the UK and Australia and some other European countries and cities, Robocop hits cinemas. Robocop reboot 2014. We are going to talk about it more next week

because it's out in North America next week and that's where most of our listeners come from. So that's who we pander to, basically. Fantastic. Yeah, absolutely. So, did you see it just quickly though? No. Haven't had the time.

Fair enough. Who has time these days? I had time. I made time and then I stayed up really late reviewing it and then I went to bed and I got up and I went to work and I was really tired. And people are like, boy, James must work hard at his job. But I don't. I work hard at this kind of extracurricular thing I do. i think they just assume i do a lot of work but then it's all worth it isn't it when you when you open up the comment section on youtube and they're like why

don't you kill yourself and you're like oh yeah glad i stayed up all right we'll talk about that next week though well we can't talk about it now obviously no well that's true just you it'd just be you speaking and me that's right going. Going, oh, that is interesting. There are, but if you do want to go to my YouTube channel, Mason. Okay. Mr. Sunday to Sunday, or just type in Mr. Sunday on your YouTube. My Robocop review is there. Spoilery?

Ah, no. Okay, good. Not spoilery. Good. Yeah. But you know what, Mason? Yes. We're not here to talk about Robocop.

We did that last week and we're fucking sick of it. Yeah. Boy and how. So this week, let's just, let's go through the news. Okay. Now, on Sunday, last Sunday, last Super Bowl Sunday. Super Bowl, isn't it? It's Super Bowl, yeah.

Yeah. That's pandering to that American audience. That's right. We love that Super Bowl. We love all the Super Bowls. We sure do. In this Super Bowl, there was a number of TV spots and trailers. Is there any in particular that you want to talk about?

There's only one that I really want to talk about. Is it Transformers 4? Yeah, it's Transformers 4, yeah. Were there any in particular that you want to talk about? There's only one that I really want to talk about. Is it Transformers 4? Yeah, it's Transformers 4. Were there any other good ones? Anything else memorable? Look, they were all fine. The Captain America one

showed some new stuff and whatever and there were some new online trailers which were really good but the Transformers one was the first time we'd actually seen anything

from Age of Extinction. So that's why it's of note. Now, even though it's got Optimus Prime riding a giant robot dinosaur Grimlock I didn't notice that did we watch the same trailer we must have watched different trailers oh I watched the remains of the day trailer oh okay no I did watch it it should be super interesting but I didn't find it interesting at all you know what I did think

about it the first thing I noticed was they're less the transformers are now less completely interchangeable yeah and jaggedy yeah they're less jaggedy certainly but i think clearly the feedback has been for the last especially the last couple people do not know who is who yeah the transformers universe anymore because they all sort of look the same. Yeah. They're all kind of greyish green-ish. All just jagged metal rolling into each other. Yeah, exactly. Just a lot of, just that hand-cranked weird twirly thing where everybody's twirling in the air.

There's a lot of twirling. There's a lot of twirling. There's a little bit of twirling in the trailer as well. Did you see that two-headed kind of dragon thing in that trailer? Is that, yeah. I don't know who that is. I mean, my Transformers knowledge has somewhat diminished over the years. Uh-huh. don't know who that is. I mean, my Transformers knowledge has somewhat diminished

over the years. Do you know who that is? I guess it's Swoop. Swoop doesn't have two heads. So, who knows? I guess that's Michael Bay's artistic license. Two heads.

But yeah, look, I don't know. There's something, I mean, obviously we've had three. I like the look of the green one with the parachutes, though. Oh, yeah.

Fair enough. Colorful. I read who that was but I completely instantly forgot. Great. But yeah, I don't know, man. I mean, and enough. Colorful. I read who that was but I completely instantly forgot. Great. But yeah, I don't know man. I mean, and the acting in it I don't know.

You don't go to the Transformers movie for acting but it's pretty like No, you do. Because there's a Oh wait, I'm thinking of Remains of the Day again. I apologise.

Continue. You're right. You don't. I mean, there's only like three lines of dialogue in it and they're all pretty poorly spoken. Run from the robots? Question mark? Yeah. Not looking forward to it. I remember reviewing the last one only like three lines of dialogue in it and they're all pretty poorly from the robots question

mark yeah not looking forward to it i remember reviewing the last one said i hated it said but i also said i put a disclaimer i will see the next one because i just will because i know i will and that's how they get you because it's transformers i know it's not going to be good i know i'm not going to enjoy it but i'm still going to say because what if something amazing transforms into something else amazing? Yeah. Yeah. To be fair, though, I didn't hate the first one so much, but I haven't really watched

it since. The first one wasn't bad until I started talking. Like, the bit where... I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but the bit where the helicopter goes and destroys the army base. That's pretty amazing. That is amazing. I agree.

That's quite spectacular. He knows how to shoot action, but... He does. Yeah. Then again, Transformers 3, clearly somebody has said, hey, well, you know how to shoot action. And he's gone, well, you know what? Let's do a 55 minute action sequence.

Yeah. Because I didn't watch that, but I flicked through it. I scrolled through hoping there would be some semblance of plot and the action sequence just kept going. And then I scrolled again and it was just kept going. And then I just kept scrolling and it just kept going and going and going. Look, I ranted about that movie in a big way, but I don't really remember anything about it.

So I'd better review if people wanted to look at it. But what I remember hating about it, aside from the action just going forever and ever, two is definitely the worst of the three. I think it goes one, three, two. Okay. Not that it matters. They're completely interchangeable. Yeah.

But there's a bit where Optimus Prime gets... This poop I did was significantly... It was better than the previous one, but not as good as the first one that it matters. They're completely interchangeable. But there's a bit where Optimus Prime gets... This poop I did was significantly... It was better than the previous one, but not as good as the first one that I did. I don't... That's what you're saying. That's what I'm saying. That's your words, mate.

They're my words, my exact words. But there's a lot of the last final kind of confrontation is devoted to Tad Hamilton, who has to rocket launch or something. I can't remember. Oh, that's right, yeah. I can't remember his name. He's in Las Vegas. Oh, yeah. You know what his name is. He's in the Tad Hamilton, who has to rocket launch or something. I can't remember. Oh, that's right, yeah. I can't remember what his name is. He's in Las Vegas.

Oh, yeah. You know what his name is. He's in the Tad Hamilton movie. Josh Duhamel. Josh Duhamel, who's fine. I'm okay with him. Good on him and whatever. And a lot of it's also dedicated to Patrick Dempsey and Shia LaBeouf.

Having like a grappling. Yeah, like a weird grappling, like slapping kind of fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I don't want to see Patrick Dempsey and Shia LaBeouf fight. I didn't have Shia LaBeouf news this week. I didn't want to bring him up, but it's happened. Yeah.

But, like, don't dedicate any time to that. Do you have Superman, Batman news? Yeah, I do. Okay, good. I was going to say, because we've got to cover one or the other. That's right. We're contractually obliged.

Yeah. I think that's enough about Transformers this week, though. You know what we should do before that movie comes out? We'll watch all three. I can't do that. No, don't do that. Why would movie comes out? We'll watch all three. I can't do that. No, why would you say that? We'll do a recap.

Must we? But we're not going to watch... We won't watch it, but we'll just go through them. Yeah. Sure? Okay. And maybe some of the animated stuff. Beast Wars.

Beast Machines. What are they? It's the sequel to Beast Wars. Oh, is it? Yeah. Never seen it. Okay. Now, Optimus...

Just quickly. Optimus Prime. Optimus Primal in Beast Wars. He's not Optimus Prime, is it? Yeah. Never seen it. Okay. Now, Optimus, just quickly, Optimus Prime, Optimus Primal in Beast Wars is not Optimus Prime, is he? No, he's a descendant. Yeah. Yeah. And he changes into an ape. Correct.

Great. That's sweet hot movie news. Comic book movie news. Hey, everyone. Optimus Primal transforms into an ape. And if you love some early 90s, some mid-late 90s CGI, TV CGI, check it out. Okay. Independence Day 2 news.

Oh, hello. They're going to make another two, apparently. We never spoke about Independence Day news, like, prior. It's been on the cards for a long time. It has, yeah. I don't know. I think it's maybe because it doesn't interest me, so I never really put it down. Okay, that's all right.

It'll be 20 years when the next one comes out. It'll be 2016. Yeah, but it was just reported that Will Smith is... They should call it Independence Day H20. They should. They absolutely should. Will Smith's out. He's not going to do it.

Because there wasn't a rumour at one point that he was going to be the president in... I think that was a rumour, yeah. That makes sense, I guess. I heard the two rumours that I heard that he was going to be the president and the second one was that it was going to be the modern day world

but with alien technology had been sort of reverse engineered and integrated into society as a whole. I also heard another one that was like, there was a lot of kind of land kind of battles, because that's what was fought on the Earth. I heard that as well. But who cares, I guess. I guess so.

So they wrote two scripts, though. One was for Will Smith, one was without. So they're ready for this. But apparently some of the other cast members may also return. Hopefully Jeff Goldblum. Hopefully Randy Quaid. Absolutely. Even though he flew into a laser or whatever happens.

Why do you think that movie has stood the test of time? Because it's entertaining. I don't think it has. But people still love it. But it's not a good movie. When was the last time they watched it, though? Yeah, good point. Great speech.

Yeah, okay. That's a good point. When was the last time they watched it, though? Yeah, good point. Great speech. Yeah, okay, that's a good point. You watched it at the cinema. Yes. And it was incredibly spectacular at the time. And really frightening when that head burst open in the operating room. Did you remember that? Yeah, I do. Scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.

And then you watched it again, maybe, when it was on TV. Yeah. But you didn't watch the whole thing. Yeah. Because it wasn't impressive. And you looked up those Welcome to Earth memes. Boy, did you. Absolutely, yeah. Man, I wonder how they're going to top. the whole thing because it wasn't impressive and you looked up those welcome to earth memes boy did you absolutely yeah

man I wonder how they're going to top because Independence Day sort of set the bar for ridiculous world explodey action films

it did yeah and that's kind of that's the bar now yeah like every like your Pacific Rim and all that sort of stuff you don't really

you can't get bigger than blowing up the White House no exactly yeah that's right so where are they going to go where are they going to go I think opening they going to go? I think opening scene, just the Earth explodes. I think opening scene, giant robot dinosaur, then Earth explodes. Wow.

I don't know. I guess we'll see it, I guess. Yeah, no. It'll probably be Will Smith's son in it. He'll be like, now I'm the president or whatever. Whatever it is. Yeah. Because he had a son.

No, he had an adopted son. Or was it his son? I thought you meant Jaden Smith. No, no, no. Because in the movie, no, he had an adopted son. I think J his son? I thought you meant Jaden Smith. No, no, no. Because in the movie... No, he had an adopted son. I think Jaden Smith would just show up and be like, I'm the president now of America. Who's going to stop him?

He's rich. That's right. Exactly. Exactly. No, it was his adopted son in it. Because he marries the stripper in it. Do you remember? Not really.

Yeah, you remember. I don't. I remember the White House blowing up. Yeah. The big building blowing up the big building blowing up the first one I remember the dog doesn't die

in the big fire that's a rule of screenwriting you can't kill a dog exactly and I remember there being a force field there was a force field

yeah that's all I remember good point and Randy Quaid flying into a laser was he in a biplane that can't be right no he was at the start because he was a crop duster he in a biplane? That can't be right.

No, he was at the start because he was a crop duster. Okay, right. Do you remember? Not really. Doesn't matter. I've got some Batman vs. Superman news. Please. Much requested. Now, this is rumour, as always.

So, take it away. Somebody's noting that. I hope there's a page of just Superman, Batman rumour news and it's just... They're all in my iPad. So, I could... You should put that up. I should, yeah. Basically, the rumour is that Lex L luther in it will have a shaved head so i'm assuming not bald

and he'll have a sleeve tattoo of metropolis down his arm i thought for a second there because you hesitated i thought you're gonna say a sleeve tattoo of mariah carey and my first thought was what here am i mariah carey like modern day? Or like, what album cover? Glitter? Yeah. Well, Shaved Head, good. Yeah. I mean, that is their iconic. I thought, because it was, the announcement was Jesse Eisenberg. Do you remember the Lois and Clark TV series?

Yeah. John Shea, who was in that, long curly hair for the first season. So, maybe they'd go like that. Okay, yeah, yeah. Does he lose his hair in that show? I don't remember. Yeah, he shaves it off in season two. Okay, cool. Because he becomes evil?

No, he's always evil. Okay. I didn't watch a hair in that show? I don't remember. Yeah, he shaves it off in season two. Okay, cool. Because he becomes evil? No, he's always evil. Okay. I didn't watch a lot of that show. I think he shaved it off because ratings were dropping. People were like, who's this guy? Now, that show, I believe, dipped. Like, people stopped watching when Lois and Clark, when Lois found out who Clark was.

That's my understanding of it. Because that was kind of the whole thing. People were like, when's it going to happen? When are they going to get together and find out and then when it's everyone who cares

well that's that's always been I think that's like the the dramatic to the sexual tension the romantic tension in a show is

always that's where it peaks it peaked with the X-Files I think probably okay yeah yeah it peaked I think it's

usually most people refer to Moonlighting is like the prime example Bruce Willis and what's her face Faye Dunaway

no I know you're talking about bloody Sybil Sybil Shepard yeah yeah when they finally got together then it Bruce Willis and what's her face? Faye Dunaway. No, I know who you're talking about. Faye Dunaway. Bloody Sybil. Sybil Shepard. Yeah, when they finally got together then and everything. I've only seen one episode of that, but it seems like a nice show.

Sure does. Bruce Willis had his weirdos peak. He did, didn't he? All was right with the world. All was right with the world. But basically, what do you think? I would say a reboot of that. Yes.

With Sybil Shepard and Bruce Willis. Still together? Just hating each other in marriage. Yeah, I guess so. 30 years of marriage. And Bruce Willis is just shaved head and just like, just real dirty Henley shirt like he's fought terrorists. Like he doesn't change

that look at all anymore. Nah, why would he? What do you think about the tattoo of the Metropolis skylight? The sleeve tattoo. I hate that. Me too. I mean, again, it's a rumour, but sleeve tattoos are generally for dickheads i hope if you have hang on there might be some dickheads in our audience so steady on yeah you're like to be fair though there are some pretty cool sleeve tattoos i've seen them a lot of them look terrible though and also look better on girls also also if he's got

a sleeve tattoo of the metropolis skyline it's going to have to say Metropolis under it. Because name an iconic building in the Metropolis skyline besides the Daily Planet. I was going to say the Daily Planet. There is it besides the globe. It'd have to be globe, and that's it. Globe in the middle, and that's it. Yeah, I'm sure there are.

I'm sure there's like a LexCorp tower. There's one? Yeah. And also, the other thing is, does he have to change that tattoo because Superman battered Most of those buildings That's a really good point

Actually yeah Maybe that's why he hates it He's just got red X's Through everything He has to change his tattoo His douchebag tattoo Also the story is That he's homeless at 14

Uh huh Leading a gang By the time he's 15 A street gang Okay yeah And then a billionaire by 18 And he's saying that And he's not like a physical Lex Luthor

He's saying strength Isn't everything The idea is resolve is okay that's interesting which is cool I like that yeah I enjoy that yeah okay also he hates Bruce Wayne

because he feels Bruce Wayne didn't earn his money okay yeah which is true I guess yeah yeah and also Bruce Wayne is impressed with Superman I mean he earned it

because he wasn't fast enough to stop that mugger so now I hear it so Bruce is he's impressed by Superman but Lex finds him an unwanted presence on Earth and they're going to team up

for the good of the city the rumour was and it stopped here with more to come that Lex is going to somehow use Batman to intervene with Superman and not to get his own hands dirty so I like all of that except the sleep tattoo maybe that's just to throw us off the scent

yeah hopefully again I'm totally okay with tweaking the source material if it gets good results and that seems like a fun origin yeah not fun but fun you're right fun is the right word real fun homeless yeah yeah good have you seen horrible bosses or the king of kong i've seen the king of kong great movie yeah yes well it's seth gordon who directed that and Horrible Bosses. And I think he did Identity Theft. Identity Thief, which I haven't seen.

He'll direct the Uncharted movie based on the Uncharted franchise. Okay. There's a few other directors attached to this. At one point, Davido Russell from American Gangster, which I haven't seen. Too serious for a video game film, maybe. I don't know.

His whole idea was Mark Wahlberg was going to be Nathan Drake and it changed it changed the origins and i think de niro was going to be his father and that's different from i don't know if you played any uncharted games not really i love them they're great i've even played the ps beta one because i'm the only one in the world who has a ps beta yeah it sounds all right i guess he hasn't really done the action movies there's a point of contention with um uncharted is though who's going to play Nathan Drake. Right. Because he's very

iconic and whatever. And people want Nathan Fillion. I love Nathan Fillion but he's too old at this point. Right. He's great but

it seems to be the go-to for everything. Yeah. It's a superman but Nathan Fillion. Should he? Should he be? I mean I like him

but he shouldn't be that. No. Yeah. He's one of the people that the internet loves yeah rightly so because he's got life

he's great he's the best but he doesn't have the time no also yeah he's making Castle which is probably great and probably still on

who knows it's also been written by the people who did National Treasure which is fine I guess is it they're similar-ish yeah

look I'm not a fan of video game movies. I think the best one is probably Resident Evil, and that's not very good. No. But we had this conversation that the only reason we keep going back, every time the trailer for a Resident Evil film comes out,

we're unreasonably excited and we go and see it. And the reason is, because each of those movies has one thing in it. Yeah. Like one little moment that is kind of cool you're right and when you see the trailer for the next one you go oh remembering the last one where the plane crashed on the top of the building and the propeller cut through all the zombies yeah isn't that great yeah it's the first one it was the scissor kicking the rubber dog oh we have talked about this yeah we have yeah yeah i think we might have but anyway

yeah but horrible bosses and king of k. Yeah. Zero action in those. Zero action, yeah. You know, whatever. He's got the wit, I guess. Don't whatever me. No. I'm not really mad. Moving on from that.

Would you watch a 100% CGI Uncharted film? Nobody would watch that. Okay. It would go straight to DVD. That's what I mean. I mean, because that's what they did with Final Fantasy, and nobody watched that. And I didn't watch that, but it looks crap. I watched that.

It was. That's when they were like, we could replace actors. I remember reading so many articles about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like, we don't need actors anymore. If we want Ben Affleck, we'll CGI Ben Affleck. And it did, and it was quite... It looks pretty good.

And I'm amazed he didn't sue them over it. I mean, did it look good then, or did it look good now? I haven't gone back. I remember the Animatrix looking pretty good. None of the similar-ish kind of CGI-ing. Yeah, yeah. I remember the CGI fight with Agent Smith in The Matrix 2 looking really good. Delightful.

All right. Marvel news, Mason. Okay. A few things I want to talk about with Marvel. You familiar with Marvel? Yes. Good. All right.

Paul Bettany, you've probably heard this, will become the Vision in Avengers Age of Ultron. I didn't hear that, but that's okay. Oh, really? Yeah. So I'm breaking this news to you. You really are. Yeah.

It's what this podcast is all about. You settling your personal vendettas in a real passive-aggressive way, and me learning about things that I didn't otherwise know. Do you need to settle any personal vendettas this week? I do have a guy who I was in a confrontation with at the park about my dog. But I'm happy to save that for another time. Fantastic. I'm not going to get into it.

Please don't. No. I gave you that opening, but don't take it. You did. That was a trap. Anyway, Paul Bettany's going to be the Vision. There you go. He is, yeah.

So obviously the Vision will be now an extension of Jarvis, which makes sense because Tony Stark in Age of Ultron will apparently have a hand in Ultron. Right. And Ultron and Jarvis, not Jarvis, Ultron and the Vision are linked. So it makes sense that it'll tie in together. And Paul Bettany will finally have to do some work. Yeah.

I think I read an interview with Paul Bettany a while back, and he's like, I feel bad. Yeah. Because I don't, I just take the money and then I'm in a booth for half an hour and I record these lines.

Yeah. And I haven't seen any of these films. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. And I remember, I'm pretty sure on every movie

before it comes out, they're like, and it's a few months before, they're like, somebody contacts him, like interviews him and they're like, oh, Paul Bettany,

have you gone in and done your Iron Man stuff yet? And he's like, nah, they haven't called me, I don't know. And so they must call him, like, very late in the game. Right, right. Because he's never on set. Well, yeah. Which is fine, good on him, I like him.

Well, because they have to basically do the whole rest of the film. Yeah. And then all the CGI, and then be like, okay, here's your lines. Yeah, exactly, yeah. He's a great voice of Jarvis. Also, there is actually going to be a human Jarvis in the next one as well, like an actual butler. Huh. I can't remember who the name is of the guy, but I can picture him in Jarvis. Also, there is actually going to be a human Jarvis in the next one as well, like an actual butler. Huh.

I can't remember who the name is of the guy, but I can picture him in my head. Does that help you? Yeah? Good. Is it Michael Caine? No, it's not Michael Caine. Stop picturing Michael Caine there.

It's weird. Shirtless Michael Caine. No, that's odd. Shirtless modern day Michael Caine. Now, apparently the costume is well underway, and the idea is at this point they don't want to make it like a

colourful version of Iron Man they're trying to steer away from that but he will be a robot kind of thing right because you've

basically got two comic book options you've got red green yellow vision or weird nude vision

with the white face yeah I think they're going for the red green blue one but they're also still weighing up whether to do a mask for his face Or Paul Bettany's actual face If it's not Paul Bettany's actual face

He can just do it all from his car Absolutely Or whatever he did last time Oh so good Yeah as he's flinging muddy Out of the window Great bloke Did you watch All Hail the King?

Yes The Marvel one shot that came with on the Thor The Dark World DVD, which we bought. Which I think should be retroactively applied to all the Iron Man 3 DVDs. Like any future pressings of that, you put that on as well. That's not a... So you really enjoyed it? Yeah. I really enjoyed it too.

Do you think it was a knee-jerk reaction to everybody flipping out about the Mandarin? Because when you say... I mean, a number of months ago, you said, here's what people are speculating the plot was going to be. Yeah. And that's exactly what it was. Yeah, you're right.

And I think it's even possible that Marvel Production just read that off the internet and said, you know what, that actually works

really well. Yeah, exactly. It'll stop people being angry at us. I mean, there's no... Are we spoiling this? No, no. Oh yeah, we'll spoil it.

It's online. Go and see it. Or don't. Don't care. Yeah, so basically, what is it... Are we spoiling this? No, no. Oh, yeah. Well, you will spoil it. It's online. Go and see it. Or don't. Don't care. Yeah. Yeah. So, basically, what is it? He's in prison, the Mandarin, played by Benjamin Kingsley.

Correct. And he's confronted by the group of the real Nine Rings. Nine Rings? Ten Rings. How dare you? How many fingers do you have, James? Eight. No.

Thumbs aren't fingers. All right, fine. You got me. Who's the dickhead? Oh. That's a big error. And I nearly said 12 as well, which is worse. Can't have 12 rings.

No, two nose rings. Oh, yeah, good point. Because, yeah, because Iron Man 3 raised a lot of questions, and it shouldn't have because they were dumb questions. Like, if Aldrich Killian has created the Mandarin, did he also create the Ten Rings, which is the terrorist organisation that kidnapped Tony Stark in the first film? That's right, exactly. But now, maybe it was just a case of it not being made clear enough in Iron Man 3 that the Ten Rings are a real terrorist organisation and Aldrich just took the name, the Mandarin, from a real person.

Now, I really enjoyed it. I thought the action was really good. Me too. I thought Ben Kingsley gave 100%, 110% Ben Kingsley. Even though... Wacky Ben Kingsley.

That character's not great or whatever. Oh, it's, you know, it shits on the legacy or whatever. He's great. Yeah. And he's great in that movie as well. But yeah, sorry, go on. But yeah, good action sequence,

fun. We get to see Seagate Prison, which is the prison that Power Man, Luke Cage, has come from. Yeah. My question, though, is, is there enough time to see the real Mandarin? No. Like in his current cinematic universe. Well, the thing is, there is no Iron Man 4 planned at this point.

Exactly, yeah. So if they do, hopefully they go in that direction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then for people who haven't seen this one shot, will they be confused? Will they be like, so this is the real... Wasn't this the last movie? Right.

So I don't know how that actually worked out. I hope this is another fake out. I hope we do Iron Man 4, and all the trailers have the real Mandarin, and he's got the rings of power or whatever, and then the second act is not the Mandarin either. It's another guy wouldn't that be that would be amazing did you go did you stay for after the credits

yeah sam rockwell yeah which was really good to say yeah some people flipped out that they made him a homosexual man in it well that's prison for you but i think and also i'm a little bit uneasy on that because you can't be just like hey you know that's that's funny isn't it yeah exactly it's not really funny. Jokes are funny. Jokes are funny. But, yeah, I don't know. I mean, he's great and I was happy to see him, but yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right, yeah.

Which is, you know, like a show like Will and Grace. Yeah. Where it's like, Grace will be like, oh, check out that guy. And Will will be like, yeah. And people laugh. That's not a joke. That's only a joke if you think that's funny. And we think that's funny.

No. Don't put words in my mouth. So yeah, there you go. Now the director of that, I can't remember his name and I feel bad, but at the same time it doesn't matter, does it? Let's say it's Ben Kingsley. It's Ben Kingsley. He was talking about some other one-shots that they've been talking about that he wanted to push for.

And one of them he said was damage control. I love it. I'm 100% He said they probably can never do it though or won't do it anytime soon because it's cleaning up damage. Right. And most of these one shots are set in a room. Right, yeah, I guess so.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like a few rooms. They could set it in like the admin offices or something. Yeah, true. I mean, and you could also just, you could film it on the set of say the Avengers. And then just reuse that footage. Yeah, exactly. That's right. Good point, me. The Avengers. And then just reuse that footage. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

That's right. Good point, me. We're really good at making points. We sure are. Now, there was a rumour floating around the internet. You and your rumours. God, I'm sick of your rumours. When we started this podcast, you said it was going to be all facts all the time.

Remember? I did say that. Yeah. I did sign that piece of paper. I promised your parents as well. Yeah. Remember? I did say that.

Yeah. I did sign that piece of paper. I promised your parents as well. Yeah. But basically, have you heard the rumour that Doctor Doom will be possibly female in the Fantastic Four reboot? No, I didn't hear that. Well, debunked. Okay, great.

Well, and also there's no precedent for it anywhere ever. Yeah. I'm sure Doom has a daughter, doesn't he, or something? Or a sister? No. Or a brother? No. I'm sure I've seen... He's got an heir named Kristoff, something? Or a sister? No. Or a brother? No. I'm sure I've seen... He's got an heir named Kristoff, who was also a man.

Okay. Yeah. Was he a woman? No. I don't read a lot of Fantastic Four. That's fine. Because Reed Richards is a bit of a prick and I don't like him. He's so smug and he seems to hate his family.

And he's always talking about science and fuck science. That's right. That's what I say. Science is for nerds. You say science is for nerds. Exactly, yeah. Yeah. I like Johnny Storm

because he's cool and he probably wears sunglasses. Great. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah, no, I am looking forward to this movie even though people are like,

fuck Fox, give it back to Marvel or whatever, which I guess they probably should do. But Josh Frank is a good director because he did Chronicle, which you haven't seen yet. Yeah. Gotham TV series news.

Oh, okay, ready. You familiar with that TV show? We've talked about it before. It's premiering sometime at some point which will be good. I'm looking forward to them when people make

minimalist posters of stuff and be like, Iron Man, it'll just be like the chest piece and it'll say Iron Man. Just Gotham and it's just the moustache. The glasses and the moustache.

And it just says moustache. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, we may be closer to some moustache news. moustache. The glasses and the moustache. And it just says moustache underneath. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, we may be closer to some moustache news. Moustache. Benjamin McKenzie, you familiar with him? From the OC. From the OC. Yeah.

He's been cast as Jim Gordon. California, here we come. California, here we come. Phantom Planet. Yep. He's been cast as Jim Gordon. Okay. Initially, I was like, that's great.

And then I thought about it more, and it's still great. I think it's really good. Yeah, okay. Apparently, he's in Southland Tales, which was like, that's great. And then I thought about it more, and it's still great. I think it's really good. Yeah, okay. Apparently, he's in Southland Tales, which is good in that. Do you know he's 35? How old does he look? He looks like he's 14. No, he doesn't.

He probably looks mid-20s. Yeah. No. Yeah, I think it's a great choice. Yeah. I reached out to him on Twitter, you'll be interested to know. And I said, first of all, congratulations, Benjamin McKenzie. I said, in my lisp.

And then I said, question, will you have a mustache? And guess what he said? Nothing. No reply. Zero reply. Yeah, of course. Yeah. So I don't have anything to add to that.

Are you happy with that choice? I always picture Gordon as more tall and rangy. Yeah, he's a bit shorter, isn't he? Yeah. All right. I'm willing to give it a shot. Good. Magic of television. Magic of television.

Magic of television. Stand on a box. Stand on a box. It also confirms, I guess, that they're not going to link that in with the... Not confirms, actually. But it's probably not going to link in a Batman versus Superman versus Lex Luthor's tattoo or whatever's going on there. Yeah. You know what's funny, though, Mason?

Benjamin McKenzie is no stranger to the Batman universe. He voiced Batman. Oh, because he was the voice of Batman. In Batman, you were. Yeah. You know what's funny though, Mason? Benjamin McKenzie is no stranger to the Batman universe. He voiced Batman. Oh, because he was the voice of Batman. In Batman, you were. Yeah. Which leads us into our topic for this week. Oh, isn't that convenient? Yes.

I had Doctor Who news. Oh, do you? Well, only in the sense that his new outfit was revealed. Did you like the no... I hate it. I was going to say, I knew you would hate it because no tie? He's got his collars up. It's all the way back.

Too much shirt front? It no tie? He's got his collars up. It's all the way back. Too much shirt front? It's just that he's got... Okay, if your shirt is buttoned all the way to the top... Which mine is. Yes, then you're either in the Russian mob or your special needs. Yeah, fair enough. But isn't that the cool thing to do now? It is, but...

Kids down the street, they have it. We've got their plaid shirts. His whole outfit is sort of based on, I would say, sort of British subcultures from like the 50s and 60s. Yeah, and that one who wore the cape. That Doctor Who wore the cape. I can't remember which one he was. But it's based loosely on that, they say. Yeah, kind of.

Like a frilly cape, but it's less frilly. But he wears like Doc Martens. They're like patent leather Doc Martens. Yeah. And they're like wingtips. Yeah. And he's wearing like a crombie, which is sort of like the iconic British. Back in the day when thugs were nicely dressed,

like that's what they would wear. And he's got like a cardigan, so he's quite British, but I don't like it. I don't like the colour scheme. I don't like anything about it. Well, you didn't like the Matt Smith one either. Yeah, but I still...

Then they changed it. Yeah, exactly. Until I see some tweaks. Not on board. Also, I don't really watch Doctor Who, so it's largely irrelevant. I just thought I'd put my two cents in. You normally watch the first one, then you go, okay, I'd put my two cents in you normally watch the first one

then you go okay I'm back on board and then you watch the finale yeah of that Doctor yeah and then I ask you to fill in the blanks where the massive holes in logic are

and you can't fill them in no I can't no yeah apparently this harkens back to the old school kind of adventure kind of Doctor Who more serious

less wackiness great I'm on board. There's less... Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. You know when they run down a corridor? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pretty good. Just a corridor, guys.

Just a corridor. Yeah. Anyway, I'm sorry I derailed. No problem at all. That was a great segue. I'm glad you ruined it. You did. Well, I was going to ruin it anyway

by saying, hey, rate us on iTunes or something. Oh, okay, good, yeah. Because Mason has a dream of being featured on iTunes. That's your dream. And I want to support him in his endeavours. You're thinking of you.

You're the needy one. We're at 71 on the iTunes website. 71 reviews. Is that good? It's good. And they're like five stars. It says five stars. I want to get to 100.

Nice. And then from there, I want to get to a million. Well, here's your chance, everyone. If you want to either contribute or you want to bring down that average. If you want to drop in some ones, that's your call, isn't it? But it would shatter Mason's dream. No, your dreams. Be aware of that.

Your dreams. I don't have any of these dreams. So, yeah. Please rate us on iTunes because it helps the show, doesn't it, Mason? And thank you for listening also. And also, thank you for listening. And subscribing, all that sort of stuff.

All that stuff. Because also, we crossed 250,000 views last week. Yes, we did. Views. Downloads. Which is incredible because we only started in October. Well, views in the sense

that I keep refreshing that page and I think I've viewed the stats page about 250,000 times. Yes. Yes, yes. So, isn't that amazing? That is pretty amazing.

We thought that this podcast was going to be way more successful. So, we're pretty pissed off. Mostly at you guys. I've been raged. No, seriously, it's amazing.

Who would have thought? Not me. No? Alright. Well, Mason, we're going to go through all the DC animated movies and we're going to start... We're going to go through all of them? I've been raged for not listening seriously it's amazing who would have thought not me no alright well Mason we're going to go through all the DC animated movies and we're going to start

we're going to go through all of them no we're not we're going to go through some I don't think collectively we've seen all of them collectively we've seen most of them though because I crunched the numbers

you added things up I did you added like 10 things yes 10 things that's crunching the numbers using my 9 fingers yeah and then

and I thought also maybe we could do the best and worst rating system, which we apply to everything. Fantastic. What do you think? Yes, I'm on board. All right. I thought we'd maybe start with the newest one.

Hang on. I just got a Snapchat from somebody. This is very inappropriate. Is that a burger? Yeah. Who sent you that? It doesn't matter. Tell them to fuck off.

Do they know what we're doing? No. What relevance does that have no no not relevant at all i'm not impressed by this i was friend of yours i just i just want to let people know that i'm up on you know yesterday's technology i don't have snapchat well yeah i'm terrified of technology that's why i hate reed richards his smug face yeah can you tear reed richards in half no Can you personally do that for me? I'm asking you.

Oh, then I'll give it a whirl, yeah, sure. Good. Okay, so we'll start with Justice League War, which was released this week. Yeah. The first New 52. It is the first New 52. It's based off, I think it's the six-issue Justice League arc from the New 52, as you mentioned. There's a few minor changes, like they take out Aquaman for Shazam and some other stuff

who they're calling Shazam they're not calling him Captain Marvel yeah weird hey they did say that didn't they I didn't get that wrong no he said Shazam

and he can say okay I'm not up to date with the new 52 Captain Marvel no but yes he's called

he can't say Shazam no because he'll because he'll turn into he'll turn back it's not like he has to say hey I'm Shazam now yeah which is weird yeah because It's not like he has to say it a certain way. It's like, hey, I'm Shazam now.

Yeah. Which is weird. Yeah. Because it's not like he has to say it a certain way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It changes him every time. Yeah, yeah. What did you think of it?

You know what? I enjoyed it. Mm-hmm. It's always... I find it's always quite jarring when you hear the new voice cast. Yeah, absolutely. Of a DC anything or other. Especially Batman, for some reason.

Especially Batman. It's because of... What's his name? Kevin Conroy. Kevin Conroy does such an amazing job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, there are other options. You settle into it as it goes.

I think Jeremy Sisto does a good job, having re-listened to some other stuff recently. Who's the guy who's the commander in the Star Trek reboot? Pike. Admiral Pike. Bruce Greenwood. Bruce Greenwood does a good one. He does a good one,'s gonna he does well yeah

ben mckenzie not a good one you weren't happy with that yeah a lot of people didn't like the um but this guy justin amara i've not heard him before i don't like it not a fan i was not on board initially it sort of settled in and then i'm not on board any again well again i guess they're going for a younger kind of of Batman maybe that's why they've changed it up I guess. But he sounds like a I don't know he sounds like a

I don't know. Not a fan. Not a fan. I understand. It's gravelly but it's very fake gravelly. Oh okay like Yeah exactly.

I didn't love this movie to be honest. Interesting. I thought it was one of the weaker entries the ones that I've seen. Action wise great.

Animation great. Certain things about it I really enjoyed. But I didn't really love it, to be honest. You know what? The bad guys are very generic. There's only parademons, right? There's Darkseid and then several thousand parademons. That's pretty much all they're facing. There's no charismatic villain. No personalities. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, again, it wasn't bad by any stretch. I thought a very weird characterization of Wonder Woman.

I thought also a very weird characterization of Superman. Yeah, because he was kind of a... Like a real smug prick. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Although, if anyone's going to be a smug prick, it's probably Superman. I mean, I know it's early days Superman, and I guess that's kind of what they're trying to push now, that maybe he wasn't always great or whatever.

But when he steps into... Sometimes you wear a towel! When he steps into the costume, though, that's when he first puts it on, that's who he is. He's not like, oh, maybe, I don't know. He's always like, strong resolve, good morals, nice to everybody. That kind of guy. Great hair. Great hair.

Great teeth. Great teeth. I don't know, because there would have to be some sort of storyline where he's knocked down a peg or two in order for him to recover from this incredible smugness, but where's that going to come from? Yeah, well, that's it. There's nobody in that team anyway who could really hurt him. I mean, Darkseid could, I guess, but I don't know. And Wonder Woman especially, I thought she was kind of, I know she's from the island and whatever and she's new into the world,

but she was portrayed as really kind of stupid and naive, but also a lot of bloodlust and kind of... Which I know she's a warrior and whatever, but things like where the girl has the ice cream and she's like, get me some ice cream, I really like ice cream. Like, what is this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Take a deep breath, lady.

Yeah, I just... I don't know, I thought it was a really weird and crappy kind of portrayal of her. ice cream i really like ice cream like what is this yeah yeah take a deep breath lady yeah i i just i don't know i thought it was a really weird and crappy kind of portrayal of her uh-huh is this have you did you read this justice league i did yeah i read the very i think i read the first issue which is where batman and green lantern yeah that's quite it is i enjoy that interaction is good and i like that story arc as well. It's interesting too that Hal Jordan is there. Hal Jordan seems to be like a combination of Hal and Kyle. Yeah. And Ryan Reynolds.

And Ryan Reynolds. He's kind of the wacky fun guy now. The role in the old Justice League cartoon, which was filmed in by The Flash, is now Green Lantern, I guess. So are these characterizations accurate to the comics now? To an extent, yeah. They're all pretty close. Cyborg, I think, Cyborg's probably the closest. It really annoyed me as well that they took Aquaman out

because Aquaman plays a big part in that storyline. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he's getting a follow-on movie from this. I was wondering the whole thing when he was going to show up. Yeah. I guess not. Because I really like Aquaman. And I think they're going to, I think they want DC movies, the actual movies, they're going to show up. Yeah. I guess not. Because I really like Aquaman. And I think they're going to...

I think they want DC movies, the actual movies, they're going to do something with him. So maybe that's why they're holding off on him. But... Does Cyborg's origin in the comics now consist of him grabbing the Mother Box out of the anti-gravity field thing?

It's something like that. You know what? I think it might just explode and get... I can't remember. Because I don't know if I want the safety of my world being presided over

by a guy who's like, you won't come to my football game! I'll steal your science experiment out of... Oh, it exploded! Spoiler alert, by the way. I forgot I should have

mentioned that. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine.

It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Yeah. But anyway,

I thought the Batman and Green Lantern interaction was good. Yeah. I thought that was a net positive. I agree. And I thought the Batman-Green Lantern interaction was good. Yeah. I thought that was a net positive. I agree. And I thought the first...

The first sort of combat sequence between Superman and Batman... Yeah. I thought was quite good. Yeah, because he's throwing everything at him and... And none of it's working. Yeah. And I think it sort of... It reaches the point where he knows he's going to lose.

Yeah. So now it's time to negotiate. Yeah. Like he doesn't... You wouldn't think in their very first meet because i assume that in in most people would hope that in their first meeting batman would win yeah through he'd pull some sort of but he couldn't no exactly he's not totally not ready for that he needs time to prepare so i thought it was good that they didn't just have

him pull a kryptonite ring out or something yeah you know what have you and and be like look i'm the best person on this planet yeah that's right exactly good point like you said though this is where all the DC animated

movies will be building from this is kind of rebooted the whole thing or will they though because not

all of the previous ones have been in the same continuity I was going to talk about this a bit later but basically

they've got a plan for the future well by all means so we can talk about that at bit later, but basically they've got a plan for the future. Well, by all means. So we can talk about that at the end, I guess? Yeah, let's do it at the end.

So, best or worst movie ever? Is there anything else to talk about in that one? I don't know. It's getting a lot of good reviews. IGN, I think, gave it an 8.5, and I read through the comments, and most of the people were kind of more on the same page as us. Kind of like, it's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's not great. I'm going to give it worst movie ever.

I'm also going to have to give it that. Just for lack of variety. Yeah. Superman's kind of a prick. Yeah. Weird characterizations. Yeah. I don't know.

Maybe they'll grow on me, but maybe not. Maybe. I also don't like Wonder Woman's outfit now. Though they changed that again from the comics, from the new 52, to make it less sexy, I think. Okay, right. i can't remember good call thank you you know what i have been noticing watching these animated films there's a lot more there's a lot more blood and yeah like adult things than i was expecting yeah that's it well they're all pg-13 pretty much i think okay yeah so yeah more so than the 90s ones just look

also one of them gets called a whore. Yeah. That was pretty rough, eh? She's like, you're dressed like a whore. I don't care for that. Steady on, mate. I know, right? Yeah. We can go back to other DC movies and work our way through. Okay, let's do that.

Now, there are some ones from the 90s, like The Mask of the Phantasm and Return of the Joker, which I think is 2000, not the 90s. But the point is, we're probably won't touch on them today. Okay. Because there's a lot we've got to get through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd like to come back and talk about them at some point, though,

because those are... But Mask of the Phantasm, in particular, is one of the... People say it's the best Batman movie that has ever been put to movies. You mean animated movie? No. You're forgetting Batman 1989. I am forgetting that, yeah. Yeah. And Batman 1966. I am forgetting that, yeah. And Batman 1966.

That's true. Did you know there's a Batman 66 comic book? Yes! It goes for 99 cents on Comixology. Pretty great. I'll never read it. You should, it's fun. Yeah, I've heard it's good.

I'm kind of waiting for... Maybe they've done it already because I'm behind. I'm kind of waiting for Batman 66 Bane. I think that would be the greatest, just to see what they do with it. That'd be amazing, right? That would be amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

It's not, I assume it's completely in the style of the 66 one. Yeah. There's also a new Batman fan film which is out at the moment. I was going to talk about it a bit later, but I can't remember the name of it. What does he cross over with? Is it Predators? Aliens? It's bizarre, and I can't remember the name of it.

I can quickly look it up, but I won't. Just look it up. Look up Batman fan film, whatever. You'll find it. The new one. And it's basically, he starts off as the 1966 Batman, and he goes in to fight Black Mask, and Black Mask pours a liquid kind of goop on him, and it hardens, and then it's like the Dark Knight outfit, and then it's a whole lot of dubstep and fighting.

Huh. It's kind of like a tribute to both kind of eras of Batman. Interesting. it's kind of like a tribute to both kind of eras of Batman and the guy who is Batman is an actual ninja and whatever it's cool, it's worth watching it's complete fucking nonsense but in a good way, you know what I mean?

we're used to that though so yeah, check it out or don't it was an exclusive on comicbookmovie.com if you wanted to check it out Mason also if we're talking about sort of Batman tribute stuff, there's a crossover that came out quite a few years ago. Batman

Planetary. Planetary, they like this secret organization. It's a Wildstorm book, but it's basically the Planetary team go to their reality's Gotham City to track down a serial killer who has the power to pierce through dimensions.

And as a result, they end up encountering... They discover that in every Gotham City except their own, there's a Batman. And they meet all the various Batmans of the various eras. Cool. Is that a comic? Just a comic, yeah. Awesome. Planetary. I'm going to check that out. Please do. Is it on comiX did you say? Just a comic, yeah, yeah. Awesome. Planetary.

Planetary, yeah. I'm going to check that out. Please do. Is it on comiXology.com? I would imagine it is, yeah. All right, then. Certainly somewhere on the internet. No doubt.

Yeah. Let's go back, Mason. Let's go back in time. Now, I've omitted the ones that we haven't seen, which I'll quickly touch on at the end. So we're going to start with Justice League New Frontier from 2008. That's my fight. Really? Yeah, yeah.

I actually have not seen this one. Well. Now, my understanding is that this is set in the 50s. Is that right? Yeah. Or that kind of 50s kind of era. Yeah, it's based on Darwin Cook, who was a writer-illustrator for DC and all the various other places.

It's his work. It was a graphic novel that came out quite a few years ago. And it's set in... I'm trying to remember what continuity it's in. It's set in the Golden Age continuity. So Superman and Batman have been fighting crime since the 40s. So they're in it.

And it's sort of set just before... It's sort of just at the origin of the Silver Age. So we see the origin of the Hal Jordan Green Lantern. We see the origin of the Flash. We see the arrival of Martian Manhunter to Earth. And it's very... One of the flash and we see the arrival of martian manhunter okay to earth and it's very like one of the things that i've noticed having watched and re-watched some of these ones is they really do nail down sort of the the comic book style like they get yeah the specific style of each of the artists they really do a good job absolutely right yeah

and this one especially they really it's a it's a very stylized look it's very cartoony comic booky and it's very specific but it really really works it is it's quite reminiscent of well it's a little bit reminiscent of the old justice league the old batman animated series kind of thing you know they're very they're kind of all the everybody looks kind of caricaturey yeah but it's But it's just... It's very well written. It's great. A lot of good action. It's a really solid...

Piece. It's a real solid piece. It stands alone, yeah. It sounds kind of like pre-Kingdom Come kind of era. Would that be right? Ah, yeah. They don't really have that much in common, but yeah. Okay.

It does have GoldenEye Superman with the black S. Okay, cool. I know that for a fact here, I've looked up that Wonder Woman is taller than Superman in it. Wow. So that's interesting. Yeah. Women and stuff, you know. I know, right?

How awful. Anyway, best movie ever. Best movie ever. That's what I'm saying, pretty much. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So definitely one that I should check out. You should definitely check it out.

And you should check it out. No, I've already done that. That's why I... Were you not listening when I just... I've seen it. I was here in the room. Right. That I remember.

Okay, good. Well, that's a start at least. Now, I don't think this is the was here in the room. Right. That I remember. Okay, good. That's a start at least. Now, I don't think this is the next one in the continuity, but did you see Batman Gotham Knight from 2008? It's been a while, but yes, I have seen it. Yeah. I think I saw it when it came out, yeah. Me too.

That's the anthology one, right? That's the anthology one. It's the one that's set between Batman Begins and Dark Knight. Though they don't really... It's supposed to be set in the same universe, but there's a lot of things that don't really tie in. Uh-huh. Because I think they probably, the people who made that, didn't know a lot of things that don't really tie in because i think they probably the people who made that didn't know

a lot what was happening with the dark knight right so they had to yeah fill in the blanks exactly but like it's it's great it's basically a collection of short stories it's five or six i can't remember that um i've written a few here that i that i like and supposedly also this can be set they've retroactively retroactively said that it could be said in kind of any kind of universe yeah well i guess it can slide in anyway yeah of any kind of universe. Yeah, well, I guess so, yeah. It can slide in any way. Yeah. There's the one, Have I Got a Story for You, where the kids...

Debate what they think. Yeah. Because they've all... They all had an encounter with Batman on that day. Right. And then they meet at the skate park. Uh-huh. Basically, they've all interpreted him in different ways.

Because you know he's a myth and whatever. Yeah, yeah. One sees him, saw him as a robot. One saw him as kind of like a shadow kind of... Right, right, right. Figure or something. One saw him as like a of like a shadow kind of figure or something. One saw him as like a man bat kind of creature. And it's basically Batman kind of chasing this criminal across the city.

And he's having these interactions with the kids. And then eventually it all comes to a head in this place. Like an episode of Seinfeld. Like an episode of Seinfeld, yeah. So that's a really good one. I think, isn't there an episode of the animated series? I was going to say, yeah. There is one, and there's like three kids who are like,

oh, and I saw him do this, and he fought this bad guy, whatever. And there's like one really flamboyant kid with a scarf, or like a feather bow, or something like that. And he's like, I think he's, and then he describes like, it's clearly meant to be Joel Schumacher. Because he's like, and then his car drove up a wall, and then there's all these fluorescent lights. And don't they actually say to him, shut up, Joel.

I think they do. I might have just imagined that. There's another one in it called Working Through the Pain where he's injured and he's going through the sewers to escape and he's having all these kind of flashbacks to how he learned to manage his pain and all the kind of works into his training, which is really, really interesting.

And another one which is great is, I think it's the last one, it's called Deadshot, where he goes up against Deadshot. He thinks that Deadshot's sent to kill Gordon, or that's what he's led to believe. And then there's this amazing Batman-Deadshot showdown, and it's incredible.

So, check it out, Mason. Best movie ever or worst movie ever? I would say definitely best movie ever. And the best thing about that is, obviously some stories are better than others. But if you don't like one, they only go for like six, seven minutes. Right. So there's another one right around the corner.

Huh. Another one around the corner. But I think they're all great. Wow. Those are the ones I enjoy the most. Beautiful. Best movie ever. Wow.

Did I say that? You did. I did. I have no idea, but I'm saying it again. Wow. Do you have anything to say or add to that? No. Hmm.

In 2009, Mason, there was a Wonder Woman movie. I've seen that one. I have not seen that one. So why don't you tell me about this and I'll be here. Well, it's got your best mate, Nathan Fillion, in it. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Cool.

And it's the classic, he's a fighter pilot. Yeah. He's going to crash into the ocean, but of course the Paradise Island is revealed to him, and instead of crashing into the ocean, he makes a crash landing, and he meets Wonder Woman, who he immediately falls in love with and starts to creep on,

because that's kind of... He's kind of a creep in this one. Yeah. He's kind of a... Yeah. And then upon interrogating him, they realise that he hasn't come to invade, but he's come

to instead just because he crash landed. To just hang out. Yeah, yeah. And they're like, well, we've got to return him to man's world. And so they send Diana Wynne to the challenge to bring him back to the modern day world when she goes out of the game. Okay. This is before he's Green Lantern?

No, this is Steve Trevor. Oh, Steve Trevor. Oh, yeah, because Nathan Fillion is Steve Trevor. Because he's also been Green Lantern. Yeah, exactly. I got confused then. See, this is what happens to the internet. If you want Nathan Fillion for everything, it causes confusion.

So she takes Nathan Drake back to the island. Yes. From the island, yeah. Takes him back to New York. And then, of course, while she's out in the world, Ares also gets loose. Who was captured by Hippolyta many, many centuries before. And there's a bit of trouble. York and then of course while she's out in the world uh Ares also gets loose ah who's been captured he was captured by Hippolyta many many centuries before yeah and uh there's a bit of trouble oh yeah it sounds really good and the whole the whole yeah it's good there's a lot of

there's a bit of kind of gender politics in it yeah as you might imagine with the Wonder Woman cartoon there's a lot of like you know what what is expected of men and women and yeah you know you know at this at one point you know she is a she women. Yeah. You know, at one point, you know, she is a brave, bold, worried woman, but at one point there is a fight in a shoe shop. So, you know, it kind of goes back and forth. Okay, right. And he's kind of this creep and he's this womanizer kind of thing, and she sort of helps him find the error of his ways,

but he's still a creep at the end. Yeah, okay, fair enough. Well, people have said on the internet that they want just But he's still a creep at the end. Yeah, okay. Fair enough. Well, people have said on the internet that they want just the Wonder Woman movie to be this. Right, right, right. I mean, that sounds like that could totally work if you took out the shoe store fight. Right, right, right. I guess. And she is that...

It is a little bit of that kind of... She's kind of that ingenue character where she's like this bold warrior woman and she gets to New York. She's like, what's all this? Everything's amazing. What do you call what's all this? Everything's amazing. What do you call that? You know? That sounds amazing. Also, they've got like, you know,

magic medieval technology, but also an invisible jet. That doesn't make any sense. That Steve Trevor can fly. Ah, okay. Yeah. Can you see him in the jet as it's flying? No.

That's always portrayed, even though it's like in like parody cartoons or whatever. Like the invisible jet is invisible, but the people inside it aren't. Right. Seems weird. Yeah, it is. Seems kind of pointless. A little bit pointless, yeah.

All right, cool. So would you say best movie ever? I'd say best movie ever. It's quite good, yeah. Okay. Really, it's very solid, yeah. Let me tell you some trivia about that. Okay, please do.

An earlier cut received an R rating, so it was recut as a PG-13 film. Linda Carter was also wanted for Hera, but had to refuse due to other conflict. Okay. Schedulings. Righty-o. Let's move it along. Okay. Next one is Superman, Batman, Public Enemies.

Now, I don't know, I can't remember whether I've seen this one. I know the story, but I might have seen clips of it. Uh-huh. You might have read the Superman, Batman comic book on which it is based. That I have read. Uh-huh. Interesting fact, though. Most of the voice actors are recorded in the same room.

That's a rarity, right? Yeah. I prefer that. Sometimes, not always, but you can kind of tell when they're not. But other times, like for example, Monsters, Inc. is a really good example of this, where it wasn't really working when they did it separately, so they got John Goodman and... The Simpsons is famously

all recorded in the same room, or separate rooms, I can't remember. But famously, one of those is the case. I think it's all the same room. Yeah, that probably sounds right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne don't actually appear in this. I mean, obviously they're counterparts, but it's just Superman, Batman. Yeah, you're right.

I might be. I don't remember. Oh, okay. No, I have seen this one. I saw it. I actually watched it. I re-watched it today. Okay. So, it's really good. It's very accurate to the comic book. I might be I don't remember oh okay no I have seen this one I saw it I actually watched it I rewatched it today okay so

it's really good it's very accurate to the comic book I like that the actress is terrific yeah original DC animated universe

voice actors which I appreciate it's the Lex Luthor becomes president storyline oh okay cool yeah of course

and it's a little bit simpler in this one but he just sets a billion dollar bounty on Superman yeah essentially there's a kryptonite asteroid that one, but he just sets a billion dollar bounty on Superman. Yeah. Essentially, there's a kryptonite asteroid. That's right.

The kryptonite asteroid. And he blames on him or something? Essentially, there's a kryptonite asteroid. It's headed towards Earth. It's going to destroy Earth. And he sets up a meeting. Luthor sets up a meeting with Superman to sort of negotiate Superman helping out.

But essentially, all he wants to do is frame Superman for the murder of Metallo oh okay why is that a bad thing well he the idea is that Luthor's reformed

and he's saying that Metallo also reformed oh okay right but then Superman just murdered him and he sets up like footage of Superman like

dropping a limo on him and stuff like that you know in self-defense cool because who hasn't dropped a limo on somebody in self-defense

yeah I know it happens yeah yeah but anyway and then he says well Superman you know the kryptondefense cool who hasn't dropped a limo on somebody in self-defense yeah i know it happens yeah yeah but anyway and then then he says well superman you know the kryptonite radiation is driving superman mad so let's set a billion dollar bounty on him oh yeah maybe i haven't seen this you might have yeah you wouldn't you'd remember do you remember a giant half superman half batman robot no oh then you haven't seen it i would say you haven't seen it no okay oh geez but it's pretty it's's good, it's super fun. I think that's probably the,

you know, the world's at stake but it's super fun. It's like a Thor The Dark World. Okay, cool. A lot is happening, you know. It's good fun.

Good variety of villains and heroes. Oh, that's what I like to see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like to see at least six villains in every comic book movie. Wow.

Oh, so best movie ever? Best movie ever, yeah. Alright, I'm going to say worst movie ever. Wow. I would say, I. Alright, I'm going to say worst movie ever. Wow. I would say, I'm pretty sure I haven't seen any of that

actually now I think about it. I might be confusing with another one. Next one is in 2010. This is Justice League Crisis on Two Earths. Haven't seen it. Did you see it?

I have seen it. I really, really enjoy this one. It's basically, you know, it's like the parallel dimension. I'm familiar with it. Yes, where there's an evil Justice League called something else,

which I can't remember crime syndicate crime syndicate which I read the comic of which is amazing and James Wood plays Owlman the Batman counterpart

and he's great apparently he recorded all these lines via satellite in a different studio which I felt I thought I was really disappointed

when they said in a studio because I thought he just did it from his house over Skype yeah yeah but no that's a

that's a really we just sent like cassette tapes to them. It's really, really... He caught it on a Teddy Ruxpin. Yeah. And he just had it floating around his house. It's great.

It's basically, you know, because it's the Justice League going up against the Justice League, essentially. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, you've got, like, an evil Flash and an evil whatever. And, you know, Batman is Owlman. And his master plan is to just destroy

every multiple universe. And in the end, it basically comes down to Batman, not to spoil anything, but Batman and Owlman have to go head to head. And it's, and Owlman, you know. Owl the Rangs. Owl the Rangs, yeah. And it's basically, you know, Batman's kind of resolve and willingness, you know, not to kill and do anything to stop him though against this guy who's who's batman but a complete lunatic right yeah so it's it's really really good because even the people on our man's team at the end are like we should probably stop this guy because he's crazy uh so it's it's well and there's also like a

like a good version of lex luther a good version of the Joker because they're like the Justice League kind of thing and from their dimension is he the Japester? it's something else he's called the Trick not the Trickster I can't remember

what he's called no he's a Jester I think he's called the Jester he's got a Jester's hat but that one's definitely worth a watch check it out

why is there not a definitive reverse Batman? they keep trying it they tried it with Deathstroke didn't really stick he's his own character, I guess.

Yeah. I guess the problem is that... There are alternative versions, but they're all essentially Batman. I guess in saying that, if they become a decent enough character, they just move on on their own. Yeah. Like, yeah. Oh, Prometheus.

They tried it with Prometheus. I don't know. Oh, who's that? I'm not familiar with that. Prometheus was the guy, he attempted to destroy the entire Justice League. He's got a... He's got, he's got like um he's he's he's the reverse of batman insofar as he is the child of two like insane criminals okay we're going to killing like a killing and robbery spree across

america and then they were killed by the cops and so he saw revenge against the law gotcha uh and he's he's like batman he went around the world and he developed like lots of skills and he's got like he's got like a key to the phantom zone and he developed lots of skills. And he's got a key to the Phantom Zone. And he's got a helmet that he can download. Additional martial arts. Yeah, iTunes. Like martial arts skills. And he's got a nightstick that he can...

He's got superpowers in it. Okay, cool. Well, I actually just did think of one. In the New 52 Batman story arc, there's a guy who shows up who says that he's his brother. Right. He's Bruce Wayne's abandoned brother

and he's part of the Court of Owls. Oh, okay, right. And he's an owl kind of-ish man also. Would you say he's an owlish man? Yes, he is.

You just said that. That's good. It's good to have confirmation though. Okay, that's interesting. And if you haven't read that new 52 Batman arc, get into it.

It's really, really good. Yeah. Scott Snyder, who's great. Okay, yeah, cool. Yeah. Well, it's interesting that they're bringing in like an Earth-1 owl man really good. Yeah. Scott Snyder, who's great. Okay. Yeah, cool. Yeah. Well, it's interesting that they're bringing in like an Earth One owl man. Okay.

Yeah. It's ridiculous, though. Yeah. Who's afraid of an owl man? Batman. Yeah. Because the owls, apparently, this is in the New 52 Batman, owls are apparently the natural predators of bats.

But are you afraid of an owl? I'm afraid. If an owl was in here right now, flattering around, it would disturb me. I guess that's really... Sure. I mean, I wouldn't be happy. Yeah, okay.

But also, a bat would probably freak me out more. Kill a moth, also a reverse Batman. Okay. Yeah. Secondary trace, more or less. The Joker. Oh, yeah. Because they're equal, or whatever.

Yep. If I haven't said it, best movie ever. Uh-huh. Moving on. Also in 2000... William Baldwin as Batman. How's that Batman voice? From memory, it's fine

Okay Nolan North as Green Lantern Yeah That's your mate And my mate Nolan North They're also saying for the Uncharted Like get Nolan North I like Nolan North

Does he look anything like that? He looks like a regular guy He's not ugly by any stretch Right But he just looks like a regular guy And Nathan Drake needs to be super handsome And super Mark Wahlberg or Nathan Fillion or something.

How about this? Because I'm reading facts here. I like facts. This is the most research I've ever done. But it says in Crossroads of Two Earths, President Slade Wilson. Oh, wow. Okay. Does he get much of a role in that?

I don't remember. I saw this a few years ago. Okay. There you go. Couldn't tell you to be honest. 2010 was a good year though for animated movies because another one came out that I really enjoyed. Batman Under the Red Hood

which is based off the Death in the Family storyline. Very famous. I'm familiar with it. Yeah. I know you are. I know you are Mason.

Yeah. It's the first time that Jason I got that graphic novel as a kid and I left it out my dad read it and he's like

Robin gets bludgeoned to death with a crowbar and I'm like yep. I didn't write it. You would have been like five or six. Yeah something like that And I'm like, yep. I didn't write it. You would have been like five or six. Yeah, something like that. I'm like, well, this is what it is.

It's alright, there's other Robins. Yeah, yeah. This is the second Robin. It's largely irrelevant. It's largely irrelevant, exactly. But that's actually the first time Jason Todd is featured in any animated movie. Oh, ever?

Yeah, that's a good point. Because the original Batman animated series went directly from Dick Grayson to Tim Drake. Yeah, and Tim Drake in that also has elements of Tim Drake and Jason Todd. Yeah, that's right. I can't remember exactly what, but there's a bit of a mixture in there. But yeah, they have skipped over him. Okay.

The voice of one of the Winchester brothers, Dean, or Sam. Jensen Ackles. Jensen Ackles, that's him. He's the Red Hood in it, who makes a reappearance. I think Neil Patrick Harris is Robin, or Nightwing? He's Nightwing, yeah. Yeah, he was really good. He's the Red Hood in it, who makes a reappearance. I think Neil Patrick Harris is Robin? Oh, he's Nightwing, yeah. Yeah, he was really good. That's a great movie.

That's probably one of my favourites. The fighting in that is really brutal. There's a bit where Batman goes toe-to-toe with Red Hood at the end. And they're in a bathroom, and it's just like tiles breaking in, and noses being smashed. It's incredible. It's really good. See, that was the one I wanted to get to, but I didn't quite have time.

Yeah. How does he come back to life? I mean, spoilers obviously, but because in the DC comic book universe, he came back to life because Superboy punched him back to life using reality punches. Yes. It's just the Lazarus pit. Okay, good. Right.

So, yeah. And he comes back and he's crazy and whatever. Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay. It's pretty great. All right, good. Check it out. Bestus Pit. Okay, good. Right. So, yeah. And he comes back and he's crazy and whatever. Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay. It's pretty great. Yeah, good. Check it out.

Best movie ever. There you go. In 2011, All-Star Superman. Mm-hmm. Have you read the comic? Yes, loved it. Have you read the animated movie? It's not how animation works, but I see where you're going with it.

From context, I understand what you're saying. I have watched it, yes. Yeah, what do you think? Really good. Yeah, I liked it too. Mm-hmm. There's a lot they omit from the comic. Yeah, yeah. Which I really wanted to see. Uh-huh. And from the top of my head, I watched it it, yes. Yeah, what did you think? Really good. Yeah, I liked it too. There's a lot they omit from the comic, which I really wanted to see.

And from the top of my head, I watched it a while back, I can't remember what those particular bits are. But I like the kind of trials that he goes through and how he's dying. I would assume that that would have been one of the things they cut out, like when he fights Atlas and all those things.

I would have been like, that's a little... That doesn't fit with any of the rest of the DC Universe. But yeah, they kept that in, which is interesting. Yeah. Also, now this is kind of unrelated. Well, it's not really related. It is related.

In the comics, you know Leo Quintom? Yes. In it? You know, the guy, the fancy man. The head scientist. Yeah. There's a rumour that Grant Morrison, though Grant Morrison denies this,

that he's... Writer of All-Star Superman. Oh, sorry, yeah. Grant Morrison, writer of All-Star Superman. That he is Lex Luthor from the future. that denies this, that he's... Writer of All-Star Superman. Oh, sorry, yeah. Grant Morrison, writer of All-Star Superman. He, uh, that he is Lex Luthor from the future. Because there's a few things

that point towards it. One of them being, he says, I'm trying to escape to... I'm trying to escape... I can't fucking... You know what I've discovered from this podcast?

What's that? I can't read. I've noticed that. I didn't want to say anything. But it's always been a problem, yeah. I read too much in my head. I should practice more. One day we'll teach you how to read.

That'd be great. I'm trying to escape a doomed world to Superman, the past. Okay. That'd be anything. So implying that he killed Superman and he was trying to make amends for that or trying to fix it. But also, yeah, apparently it's not the case.

But there's a lot of... Like, they look similar. They stand similar. There's a lot of similarities. Uh-huh. I read my Sunday to Sunday thing every week. I read that. Maybe you have a lot of practice.

This is one take, though. Yeah, good point. I don't practice it, though. I just do it. Huh. This is bullshit. Maybe you're afraid. I am afraid.

Afraid. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say, you may be right, because all the art by Frank Quitely is very deliberate. Like, Superman, when he's Superman... You can look up all the character sketches. When he's Superman, he stands a certain way.

And when he's Clark Kent, he's got a very definitive slouch. You can see there's a lot of storyboarding where you can see how he developed that. And so I guess if there is that, then it was probably deliberate. I mean, they may have done it deliberately to foster discussion and say, hey, wouldn't this be a real trip, hey?

The other thing is, though, I guess Superman would be aware of that. Because Superman could see through a person. So I'd imagine he'd have, I don't know, Lex Luthor's bone structure memorized or something. So he'd probably be aware of it. I don't know lex luther's bone structure or something yeah he'd probably be aware of it i don't know but i think that would be really cool i think if this one this is one that's clearly based on a comic because it's a little bit weird like you said with the atlas yeah and it's a little bit out there and obviously a lot of grant morrison's work is that

so i think if you're a kind of a casual superman fan jumping into this one is probably not one to get into really because it's continuity-free, really. Well, that's true. As long as you know who Superman and Lex Luthor are. Yeah, and Quintal. Yeah. See, I feel... Because I always thought the idea of the all-star books

was that you didn't have to know anything about those characters. You could just sort of jump in. So sorry to just completely derail your point. But I think you're wrong. And I can read. So who's the winner here? You got me.

Yeah. You bloody got me. That's right. I don't know. I enjoy it because it does seem to work as a big animation product. Like, it's got a lot of scale. Yeah. It's big stakes.

Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Let's do it. Best movie ever. Best movie ever. Yeah. Next one.

We've talked about this just briefly before. Batman Year One from 2011. Oh, I actually also saw Superman Batman Apocalypse. Oh, I missed that. Sorry. I said that I didn't say it, but I just saw it right now. You son of a bitch. Tell me about that one.

Well, it's the Supergirl arrives on a storyline. Okay. And then he's abducted by Darkseid. And then there's all sorts of shenanigans. That sounds like another one we're going to talk about later. Really? Unbound. I haven't seen that one.

Cool. A lot of crossover then. A lot of crossover. Because there's not enough Superman and or Batman storylines to go around. No. In the 60, 70 years they've been around. You know? Just go over and over again.

That's what I say. Make every film a reboot. Exactly. Yeah, more origins. That's what I say. That's what we need. But again, this is one... Superman, Batman, Apocalypse.

It's another one sort of a la The New Frontier where they've really nailed the art style of the original artist of the comic books. In this case, it's Michael Turner. Yep. Who did the Superman, Batman storyline and Fathom, which is about a girl who can turn into water. It's not irrelevant. It's not relevant. It's not relevant.

Can she move around? I can't remember. Is it just like Alex Mack, the TV show Alex Mack? It's exactly like that, but sexier. If that's even possible. I really like that girl when I was at school. I love her. Anyway, spectacular kind of action.

You sort of see where the Man of Steel, I think. I think this may have inspired, a lot of these animations may have inspired the visual look of Man of Steel, I think? I think this may have inspired... A lot of these animations may have inspired the visual look of Man of Steel. Okay. Like the action style and stuff like that. Yeah. Like big scope. Yeah.

A lot of action. A lot of action? A lot of action. You know I love action. I know you do. Less S-shields being thrown. You know? Plastic S-shields.

Absolutely. Anyway, sorry, you were saying? Oh, so best movie ever then that sounds like yeah it's really good alright so it's one of those ones worth watching yeah but it's another

one of those world storylines rather where like Supergirl's like I don't know what it's like to be a girl on earth

and he's like Superman's like I've got some ideas and then she goes shopping it's one of those you know she's like I love earth because I've gone shopping I'm such she goes shopping. It's one of those, you know? She's like, I love Earth because I've gone shopping.

I'm such a girl, you know? There's a recurring kind of motif in all of these. Speaking of girls, Benjamin McKenzie's performance as Batman in Year One. Don't like it. I don't like it at all. See, I'm okay with it. It was one of those things where I first heard it and I went, oh, that's really jarring. But I kind of settled into it.

I don't feel that... I don't know how went oh that's really jarring but I kind of settled into it I don't feel that I don't know how well Frank Miller's stuff translates his dialogue especially translates to animation yeah it's one it's the sort of

comic books are very odd medium in that you see things being said did you just hate on comic books you son of a bitch no I said there was

a very specific how dare you I said there was a very specific medium in that you can read something in a panel and it doesn't seem ridiculous no you're right yeah because you sort of you sort of manipulate the words you put your own cadence on it you put your own cadence on it and you go i see how that would work yeah but in this they've they've literally taken some of the things that people they've literally taken what's in the speech bubble and have people say it and it doesn't seem right you're a fair point like there's a bit where gordon goes up to negotiate with like a mentally ill man who's holding

someone hostage yeah and the guy is just saying the exact things that are in year one like that are on the page and it doesn't work it doesn't work yeah yeah there's got to be i think people are reluctant especially because with year one because it's such an iconic yeah yeah and it's the same bible it's like it's like the bible they're both fictional uh i'll take that out no let it in what's the worst that could happen that uh what is it that those ones are very iconic and people would get annoyed if you mess with them because they are basically you're probably right. Yeah, I mean... I'm happy to let these things slide, but people are not. I agree. I totally agree.

And we will talk about the Dark Knight Returns in a bit, because there's some stuff I want to... I had a very similar thing to say about that. Same writer and all that. But also, do you know how Bryan Cranston, on the other hand, is a really good Commissioner Gordon? Yeah, yeah. And I think he'd be a great Commissioner Gordon in the movie as well.

People are saying get him for Lex Luthor. He shouldn't be Lex Luthor. I think they should get Nathan Fillion and Bryan Cranston and team them up. I don't know how.

Just put them together. Have them... Have them all... There's an old Michelin Web... You're familiar with Michelin Web? Love Michelin Web.

British comedy team. Are you kidding me? You're kidding me? Anyway, they had... They did a sketch once about these two actors who are both very high-profile actors. Yeah. And they want to do Sherlock Holmes,

but they're so egotistical that one always wanted to be Sherlock. They both wanted to be Sherlock Holmes. So in a compromise, they had him switch scene to scene. I've seen that. Yeah. I think they should do that. Bryan Cranston Nathan Fillion

they just switch every time like one scene one of them's Superman and the other's Superman and the other's Lex Luthor and then one's Batman and then they're both

Wonder Woman it doesn't matter that's an amazing sketch just put it together look up that sketch Mitchell and Webb Sherlock Holmes yeah

you'll find it yeah Bryan Cranston he initially turned down Gordon because he thought it was based on a 1960s TV series. Oh, okay. I think a lot of people's knowledge of Batman, though, would come from that. And because he's of that age.

Right, right, right. I'd imagine he hasn't spent a lot of time reading comics books. Why would he? Right. That would be a lot of people's understanding of it. But they sent him the script and he's like, yeah, we'll do this. Because I bashed a guy with a baseball bat in it

true yeah there's also some stuff that doesn't translate in that there's a bit in the comic where Batman kicks down a tree as Bruce Wayne

in the comic you can kind of go this is a comic okay but then you see it and you're like that's kind of weird that he can kick

through a tree and it's not like a sapling it's a tree and it's not like a rotted through tree it's like a proper tree it's a tree

yeah and in the comic which you don't really see it fall you just see him kicking the tree. And it's not like a rotted through tree. No. It's like a proper tree. It's a tree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And in the comic books, you don't really see it fall. No. You just see him kicking the tree. Yeah. So maybe he's just kicking a tree off. Maybe he's kicked that tree every day for a year. You know. Yeah. Maybe he should have said that. I've been kicking this tree all day. Thank God. All day,

every day. I love it. I'd say Wish I had something other to occupy my time like crime fighting, but I don't. I'm just going to kick this time like crime fighting but I don't just gonna kick this tree so I'm sensing your worst movie ever from you

yeah worst movie ever I'm gonna say best because I like it okay that's right yeah

there's a lot of stuff about that comic it's not I don't want to say overrated it's definitely not overrated

but there are better stories I reckon it's pretty great have you ever read the black mirror I'm gonna talk about that later okay it's great what. Have you ever read The Black Mirror? I'm going

to talk about that later. Okay. It's great. What don't you like about Batman U1? I don't know. It's not that I don't like it. I'm just saying there are better stories. Name one besides Black Mirror, which I've not heard of. I think, okay, here you go. I think the new Batman story arc by Scott Snyder is better than U1. Wow. There you go. Okay. But if... Stick that up your ass. If you hadn't read Batman U1, would you be... Does it not build on... Some of it does, but yeah. Look, don't get me wrong.

I'm probably... People on the internet, get him wrong. He hates everything you like and you should tell him. It's good. He's a prick. It's really great. But you've backed me into a corner. I have, haven't I?

What about the bit where he's trapped in the tent and I blow it up and then he's only got like... It's great. I'm not saying it's not great. No, you're saying it's really great. But you've backed me into a corner. I have, haven't I? What about the bit where he's trapped in the tent and I blow it up and then he's only got like... It's great. I'm not saying it's not great. No, you're saying it's not great. I'm saying there are better stories. No, you're probably right. Continue. What's the one where...

The Asylum one is good. Ark of Asylum. Ark of Asylum. Right. That's good. Okay. There you go. Yeah, okay, good.

Long Halloween, that's good. There you go. Long and Dark Victory. Both of those are amazing. Okay. Yeah. Shut up, Mason. James hates Batman, you love him. Long Halloween that's good there you go and Dark Victory both of those are amazing okay yeah shut up Mason James hates

Batman Year One I think they're extensions of Year One though aren't they there's Year Two and there's Year Three yeah but I mean they're in the same universe

yeah or not I don't know who cares next one Justice League Doom 2012 didn't see it

give me a rundown okay well it's based on the Tower of Babel okay well I've read that yeah so it's basically that except the difference is Ra's al Ghul doesn't get hold of Batman Secret Files. It's... No, sorry.

Vandal Savage does. Yeah, it's Ra's al Ghul in Tower of Babel, but in this one it's Vandal Savage. It's Vandal Savage, yeah. I would feel a little bit ripped off if I was Ra's al Ghul. Yeah. Because Vandal Savage is like 50,000 years old and he doesn't have to do anything. Occasionally he has to replace a damaged organ or something like that. Yeah.

And he's got thousands of descendants. So he can just rip one out and just put it in, you know? Ra's al Ghul. What is he, 1,000? Yeah, something like that. Weak. Weak. Weak.

And every time he comes back he's worse, isn't he? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So yeah, good point. Or to correct it, yeah. Yeah. Ra's al Ghul is a better villain, I would argue that. Yeah, you probably are.

This is also the 21st time that Kevin Conroy has voiced Batman. Well, it's time for him to retire, I think. Down with Kevin Conroy. No, I like him. He's my favourite. He's the best. You know what? I wanted to bring this up.

I feel like with these new animated movies as well, or a lot of them, they're kind of using Kevin Conroy less and less, so people aren't so reliant on hearing his voice in Mark Hamill's because I think they want to be able to call on other actors so they're not dependent on them basically.

Like the same way that Ronald McDonald in every commercial was played by a different guy. Is that a thing you've heard? That is a thing.

That is a fact. Wow. So even though he's always a terrifying clown. Ronald McDonald never speaks though surely.

He does speak sometimes, yeah. I haven't watched a nan in a long time. I think we mentioned this when Arkham Origins came out. Yeah. And Kevin Conrad was replaced. I think they kind of want to break... I think they think he's got some sort of...

Yeah, they want to break... They think he has some sort of stranglehold on voice acting Batman. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And he might demand slightly more money. Yeah. Like, I'm sure he doesn't get paid that much because he's a voice actor. But I don't know. I feel that...

I listened to an interview with Billy West a long time ago. And he was saying that they shouldn't just keep... Who's the voice of Fry in Futurama. Yeah, exactly. And many other things. He's a modern day Bugs Bunny, I think. He does a lot of stuff, yeah. We all love Space Jam.

Yes. We all love Looney Tunes back in action. Boy, do we. Never saying it. No. Go on. But he was saying that he despairs sometimes

that people, like they just get famous people. Yeah. Like they get Justin Timberlake or whatever to do a voice acting

bit. In Shrek 3. Yeah, like Fishtail. Sharktail. Sharktail, yeah. But they're like Will Smith's in it. Right, right, right.

I mean, I'm sure they can learn to do it. Yeah. And people seem to be getting better. Like if you, like, I can't think of anyone off my head

but anyone who's been in any of these regular actors that have been voice acting for a while seem to get it but their initial run is always pretty

it's pretty rough pretty rough except for James Woods yeah okay who fucking nailed it yeah there you go no you're right

it is a very specific skill yeah yeah and I don't I don't know why they keep bringing in new Batman. Yeah, fair point. Maybe get somebody. Get the Arkham Origins guy.

Yeah, he's good, isn't he? Yeah, he's all right. And also the Arkham Origins Joker's really good as well. Who I can't remember the name of, but he's really good. Who I'm sure I paid out quite severely at the time. But now having listened to some of these celebrity types. Oh. Oh.

Well, there's a few Joker stories actually coming up that we will talk about next time. Justice League Doom is just okay, though. Oh. Oh. Well, there's a few Joker stories actually coming up that we will talk about in a bit. Justice League Doom is just okay though. Okay. I'm going to give it worst movie ever because it's just okay.

I know a lot of people love that movie. Uh-huh. It's fine. But that's because they like to see Batman win all the time. Yeah, that's true.

Uh-huh. Don't we all though? Yeah, he's pretty good. He's everybody's favourite superhero. Yeah. Next one. This one I only got

halfway through. And then you switched it off? No, I stopped watching it for whatever reason. Because it was too intense? It was too intense. Because you were This one I only got halfway through. And then you switched it off? No, I stopped watching it for whatever reason. Because it was too intense? It was too intense. Because you were crying? I was crying.

It was one of those things because it's on my hard drive and I switched it off. Why would it be on your hard drive? Why didn't you buy the DVD? No, I had it on the DVD and then I burnt it to my hard drive.

You didn't let me explain myself. So you didn't illegally download it? How dare you? I'm sorry. And basically because you've got to play it and then you've got to skip forward to the bit where you're up to it and it takes forever. So that's? I'm sorry. And basically, you've got to play it

and then you've got to skip forward to the bit where you're up to it and it takes forever. So that's why I haven't gone back and I wasn't really that into it.

Superman vs. The Elite that's from 2012. I know you've seen this one. I've seen this one. It's okay. It's based on there was a storyline

many years ago called What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way. Subtitle, Superman Beats Up the British. That's the one. Brackets, they've earned it.

I don't know. I really enjoyed the comic book story. This one, it's fine. The elites are based on the authority who were Warren... Okay, so you know how DC have Stormwatch now? Yes. Okay, so Stormwatch

used to be a wild storm property. When I say yeswatch now? Yes. Okay, so Stormwatch used to be a Wildstorm property. When I say yes, I mean no. Okay, right. Okay, so Wildstorm was an imprint of Image Comics, and they had a team called Stormwatch, which were like a UN sort of superhero team. And then Warren Ellis took over the writing of that comic book just before it fell to pieces,

and he took some characters from that and created the Authority who were like these, he called it widescreen superhero comics and it's just every issue the whole world is destroyed. Every issue aliens invade and just cities are wiped off the map and then they just show up and they

like, you know, an alien invasion shows up and then they beat back the alien invasion and then they reinvade the alien world and just destroy it like it's that kind of like there is kind of very hardcore superheroes in quotes like no mercy like no mercy no you know no surrender any all that sort of stuff and the idea was you know there's no there's no moralizing behind this there's no deeper meaning it this. There's no deeper meaning. It's just they go in and they just blow everything up.

That's kind of the thing. And then later writers on, the Authority kind of added more deeper meaning to it and so on and so forth. It was a pretty good series. And the Elite are kind of a satire of that. Okay. The Authority had Jenny Sparks, who was this British woman who had control of electricity. And in this, they have Manchester Black, who is like a British telekinetic character. Yeah.

British. You know what I mean? And I guess the idea, because it was like a two-issue arc in Superman. Yeah. And it was basically, hey, Superman, these... I guess it was the question that maybe comics readers were asking, which was, these guys get results.

Yeah. Why doesn't Superman just do that? He's got all the powers. Why doesn't he do it? And it was sort of this meet-up of, hey, how would this go? Yeah. And then it's... I like that idea that people are making the assumption that Superman is outdated.

Right, exactly. And that he's not needed anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then him, or a situation proving that wrong. Yeah, yeah. So I probably should go back and watch it. It's pretty good. I prefer the comic book, I'll be honest

with you. And since then, Wildstorm has been purchased by DC, so they have all those characters. The Authority is now, and Stormwatch, those

characters are kind of in DC continuity now. Cool. Which is weird. The Authority has two characters. The Authority has kind of these

incredible, super-powered characters, but they also have Apollo and the Midnighter, who are Superman and Batman, but they're a couple. And so now they're part of the regular DC Universe. Both men?

Both men, yes. Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Apollo is like the Superman-esque character. He gains his power from the sun and he's got, you know, he's invulnerable, etc. And the other guy's an owl man. Yeah, Midnighter's an owl man and they're a couple. But, which really worked, I think, as that independent universe, but I don't know if they interact with regular batman and superman i've not i've not seen that happen yet but i hope

i reckon batman and superman would find that really awkward yeah i hope so that'd be really great anyway uh superman versus the elite pretty good read the comic instead also that that um superman versus the elite spun off into justice league elite which was like a the justice league sort of black ops team which was a lot of people panned that series

but I found it really good I have not read that get it on Comixology wink know what I mean I know what you mean yeah next one

Batman the Dark Knight Returns part 1 and part 2 okay 2012-2013 you had thoughts about this I do again my feelings are the same it looks pretty good

it looks comic book accurate. It's got that big square anvil head. Yeah, it's got the anvil head. It's got that big baton bill at the tank. Yeah. That's pretty good. Pretty accurate to the series but again, I prefer reading it because you can put your own spin on it. The dialogue isn't as ridiculous.

Yeah, absolutely. You had thoughts on this. Well yeah, there's a few things they took out. Namely, there's a voiceover in it. Yep. Which is a big part of the comic which they completely removed which at first is kind of like that's weird because that's a big part of the comic and it's sort of but i think it works yeah i'm sorry i was going to say that it's sort of batman year one and dark knight return sort of bookend each other because in year one he's always talking about how much of an amateur he is and like he's this lucky amateur that keeps surviving and he he needs to keep training because otherwise he's going to die yeah just this idiot you know he

feels he's this idiot who's he's just going to get himself killed yeah and at the in in dark night returns he's like i'm just an old man yeah i've got nothing left but i gotta keep yeah this you know and i like that idea as well that he's he's 55 his body is shutting down yeah but he's just this mountain of a man just forcing himself to do that, even though it hurts him every time, to even run. His knees are fucked and his joints are fucked and whatever. I'll be you one day.

That'll be me. About a year. That's right, exactly. Peter Weller, also a great choice for Batman. Okay, yeah, that's actually good. What do you think of that? I like Peter Weller. He's done well.

Yeah, yeah. But there is some stuff, like some of the dialogue like you were talking about doesn't translate well. I like that Conan O'Brien is the newsreader in it, which is great because it's loosely based on Letterman

because it's all from the 80s. It's like a weird sort of pseudo-80s future, which is obviously when it was written. I can't remember, is Reagan still the president? Yeah, Reagan's the president.

And he's, yeah, he's, well, I don't think he's mentioned as being Reagan. Right, but he just looks a lot like Reagan. He looks like Reagan. I think he might, no, I don't think they do say it in the comic. I can't remember. No, they don't, no. Yeah, but's... Well, I don't think he's mentioned as being Reagan. Right, but he just looks a lot like Reagan. He looks like Reagan. I think he might... No, I don't think they do say it in the comic. I can't remember.

No, they don't, no. Yeah. But also things like the gang dialogue, you know, the mutants. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're all like, slice and dice. And they've got all this weird pseudo 80s future language. Right, exactly. And when you hear it, it's ridiculous.

Right. And same with things like, you know, there's the robot flying children in it. The Batman fights the carnival. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Robinin fights the carnival which does not fit or work at all right exactly like the guy who makes it is like this tinkerer kind of guy who just made these machines that that are practically they are human right in a motion and but they can fly and shoot gas and talk it's bizarre yeah yeah so like things like that get rid of that right take it out but then there's other things like where he confronts the joker which is amazing right gives him the fucking batarang to the eye yeah because the joker's

like thinks it's all like he's kind of saving and put south fire and push batman then he realizes that batman's you know going to kill him right even though he doesn't end up doing it or whatever but it's just just to see batman in his last of, just pushed to the complete edge, and he's just like, I'm fucking sick of this shit. And it's great, yeah. That's true. And then it becomes like, it starts off as like a simple kind of tale where he's taking down muggers and whatever, and then at the end he's riding a horse into battle, and it's this whole amazing thing.

Grant Morrison does a really, speaks about it really well, and he does a Fat Man on Batman podcast where he talks about this and I probably just mirrored everything that he said but yeah, it's great it's definitely worth watching I had a thought on that, can I grab your thing then? I had a thought and then I lost it yeah, that's right, you were going to say about

the gang members and the slicing dice or whatever I feel that, and this is unrelated to that but I feel that certain comics creators their pop culture knowledge ends at a certain point like it ends and dice or whatever. I feel that, and this is unrelated to that, but I feel that certain comics creators, their pop culture knowledge ends at a certain point. Yeah. Like, and it ends,

like, in the 90s or whatever. Like, Alan Moore, who I love, he did League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and, you know,

how that went. But he did League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Century, which was the last, I was going to say LXG, storyline. Okay. But,

basically, there's two volumes set in the past, and there's one set in the modern era. And I think his knowledge of the modern era stopped at 1995. Because the first bit is set in London in 2009, I think. And there's a drum and bass music shop and stuff like that. Because the League of Australian Gentlemen books are all, everything's a literary illusion and everything's, like, characters from the past.

Yeah. And I think in the modern one he just had to get people to say, okay, who are some famous literary characters now? Because I have no idea. Oh, Harry Potter? Okay, we'll put that guy in. Get your Nick Hornby. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Oh, literary characters, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The guy from High Fidelity whose name I forget. Great book. Okay, well, put that Get your Nick Hornby. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Oh, literary characters. Yeah. The guy from High Fidelity whose name I forget. Great book. Okay, I haven't read those ones. They're weird. They get weirder. They get a lot weirder.

So Harry Potter's in that. In a manner of speaking. There are Harry Potter characters in it. Okay. Yeah. And he has the rights to that. I don't know.

Well, Warner Brothers has Harry Potter so maybe that's what it's on. Nah, I don't... He's not with DC anymore. Oh, right, he isn't. Yeah, yeah, so I have no idea. DC, if you're listening and you've somehow missed out on Alan

Moore using your Harry Potter card, you should definitely sue him. Definitely. Just for a laugh. Yeah, absolutely. Just to watch him flip out. Here's a trivia for you, Mason. I'm ready. When Superman first flies into Gotham, he whips past a newspaper stand, and on the stand is a number, art number of kind of comics, including Captain Carrot and his amazing zoo

crew. Yes. There we go. Because I know you brought that up the other day. I love it. And I'd never heard of it, and then I read that and I go, wow, gotta bring that up again. Yep, that's the thing that's real. Yeah.

Sometimes I make a reference on here, and I'm like, did I, did I, maybe I made that up. Maybe I dreamed it. Makes about as much sense, right? Yeah, well, that's it. Yeah. I'd say best movie ever. You say?

I'm going to say best movie ever because I like Peter Weller so much. Sure. Yeah. Good choice. Next one, Superman Unbound. Didn't say it. That was the one where Brainiac comes to Earth. It sounds very similar to the one you said before about whatever it was called.

And it's basically, yeah, that one. Doesn't matter. Yeah, it's a great story. The comic is based, if you've read it, is based... The look of it is very... It looks exactly like Christopher Reeves.

The whole thing is an homage to Christopher Reeves. And him, basically... Again, it's Christopher Reeves. Oh, fuck! Every time! You know what my problem is? When I was a kid, I used to say Christopher Reeves.

Now, when you were a kid, you were hit in the head a lot. That's your problem. Every time I say Christopher Reeves, you have to stop me. Okay. Okay, seriously you were a kid, you were hit in the head a lot. That's your problem. Every time I say Christopher Reeves, you have to stop me. Okay. Okay, seriously.

This is going to be great. Yeah. I'm ready. Anyway, what's it based on, James? Well, Brainiac comes to work. Yes.

He goes to work. He clocks in. Fucking hell. Brainiac. I like to think that it's a Warner Brothers style cartoon where like Brainiac and Superman,

they just clock in by the water cooler in the morning. Little punch cards. Little punch cards and then they fight and they clock out again. See you later, Al. They're both called Al. They're both called Al, yeah. Yeah, Brainiac is lured to Earth by Superman. Supergirl's there as well.

She was sent to Earth to look after Clark as a baby, but she gets caught in a time thing. So when she gets there, he's older than she is baby, but she gets caught in a time thing. So when she gets there, he's older than she is. You mean she was caught in a shoe store. That's right, sorry, yeah. It's great, and it's got the city of Kandor and Superman going up against Brainiac, and Brainiac's reasoning for what he does

and how he just wants to contain everything and just keep a piece of everything but keep himself separate from it. Unlike a villain that has some sort of motivation besides let's just be evil. Yeah, well yeah, he's super because he wants knowledge and everything and he wants to collect things and there's more to it than that. Did you ever watch Captain Planet as a kid? Yeah, I fucking

hate that show. There was a, the thing about those characters was, and maybe I missed a bit but it was always just like they were just being evil for the sake of being evil. It was always just like a factory that produced toxic waste and it just poured out in the ocean. The factory didn't make anything. No.

I mean, it may have made, like, prosthetic limbs for babies that have been in landmine accidents or something like that. We'll never know. But I think, but it was just, they just produced toxic slurry and poured it in the ocean. That's exactly it. Yeah. You know why Captain Planet's the worst? Why's that? Okay.

First of all, you get your team of environmental nerds together. Shut up, first of all. Yeah, shut up, nerds. Your stupid environmental stuff or whatever. Look after the environment, but shut up. Okay? Good point. Stop banging on about it.

You give them each a ring of power or whatever, and they all can do different things. But they can't actually solve anything by themselves. Why go through the whole charade that you're going to solve anything? Because you know you're going to call him. Right. Just call him from the start. Don't waste my time. It could be a two-minute show.

Get him in. He dumps some water on a guy and he goes, you're all washed up. And then they go, good work, Captain Planet. And he goes, thanks.

You guys are fucking useless. And then he disappears. Where do you think he goes? Maybe he's got some sort of parallel dimension thing where he just hangs out. Yeah. I like to think his soul

is torn into five pieces and trapped. And there's just five, like, trapped in some sort of hell dimension. Exactly. Like, five different hell dimensions. Yeah, that's probably a good point. And he feels like he's missing limbs. Yeah. Absolutely.

Also, there's a character in that show called Luton Plunder. Yes. And how far in life do you think you're going to get if your name's Luton Plunder? Like, first name Luton, second name Plunder. Yeah. Yeah. I can't argue with that. Like, if your name was Rapin Pill Plunder. Like, first name Luton, second name Plunder. Yeah. Yeah. I can't argue with that. Like, if your name was Rapin Pillage.

First name Rapin, second name Pillage. Like, you wouldn't... Where were we? I forgot. Captain Planet's the worst. There we go. Though, it's all worth it

because of the Don Cheadle Captain Planet Funny or Die videos. Oh, right. Yeah, okay. That's a good point. It's all worth it. Okay, good point.

Yeah, also in this... That's right. We're not trapped in the past. I forgot. We could move on with our lives. That's it. I remember now. People are calling for a Captain Planet movie. Okay, good point. Yeah, also in this... That's right, we're not trapped in the past. I forgot. We could move on with our lives. I remember now. People are calling for a Captain Planet movie. No, don't do it.

No. You know what else sucks about Captain Planet? Yes? If you get the slightest amount of pollution or rubbish on him, he just falls apart. Yeah, yeah. He's completely useless. Yeah, yeah.

So if he came at you and you slapped him with, I don't know... Like an old styrofoam. All you have to do is keep, like, in your pocket, like one of those old styrofoam McDonald's containers, like an old Big Mac container, and he just comes at you and you just shove it on his face. You clamp it around his face and he falls into a coma. That's right, chlorofluorocarbons.

How do you like that, Captain Planet? And you squish it on him. What a dickhead. No, you can't... And also, you can't do a Captain Planet movie because... Well, you could, but what's going to happen is during the press junket, they're going to be like, hey, you know how all the actors in this were flown around first class

in private jets around the world? Oh, yeah. Wasting thousands of gallons of fuel to do this little press thing? That's exactly it. And how much waste was there on the film and blah, blah, blah. Nobody would do it because you'd have to make the whole film carbon neutral.

You would. You're absolutely right. And there's no money in being carbon neutral. Precisely. Because being carbon neutral is for nerds. That's right. We've tried to do the show carbon neutral. Doesn't work.

And we gave up immediately. Yeah, yeah. So now what we do is we start up the car and we put a hose under the door and we just drink in the fumes that's it with the aircon on feels good feels real good okay where were we i don't know superman unbound one piece of thing from that uh matt bomer who voices superman in that he was cast as superman

in brett ratner's scrap superman version from like the early 2000s there was a rumor that he was cut from Superman, the movie, because of his sexuality. Because Matt Bomer's gay. Famously gay. There you go. Super famously gay. I'd never heard of him being gay.

Really? Yeah. Okay. Who are we talking about? Matt Bomer. He's in... I'm just going to reveal something about myself here. He's in Magic Mike.

Okay, great. Good. He looks like Superman. Oh, okay, right. If you look him up or whatever, he looks exactly like him. Okay. But he looks like a comic book version of Superman. Oh, really?

Okay. Ridiculously handsome. Yeah. And buff and whatever. Uh-huh. Get into it, basically. I will. So, yeah, but that's about...

I bet you've worn out those sections of the Magic Mike DVD. But, yeah, I think he would have been a good Superman. Okay. Anyway, Brett Ratner's a dickhead, though. Okay, next one is Justice League, The Flashpoint Paradox. Didn't see it, but that's the one that leads into the New 52, right? It is, because it's based on the Flashpoint comic as well, which also leads into it.

They kind of loosely lead into it, but it's basically, it's Flash-centric, obviously. He does some stuff in time that messes it up, and then he creates an alternative reality where Batman is a different guy, and it's like, the way that works out is really, really interesting, because he's this Batman who uses guns, and all this kind of stuff.

A smart Batman. A smart Batman. A Batman who's thought these things through. Yeah. And it alludes to things that the comic does more of, because the Joker is a woman woman and how that all works. Have you read the comic of that? You probably have.

I haven't. It's pretty good. But also, and then when the Flash fixes everything and whatever at the end, spoiler alert, he goes back into his dimension and original reality and things are slightly different. Batman and the Flash are wearing the new 52 outfits. Okay. And I don't think that's actually in the comic,

but that's what it is in the show so did Justice League War carry directly on from Flashpoint no but I think they're loosely linked ok right

because that's what you want to do you want to change your continuity in the first one and then not stick to that continuity in the next one

right well it's because it's loosely kind of it's linked because oh I get it in uh is the Flash in

Justice League War yes he is isn't it yeah because they him and batman don't know each other yeah yeah so make of that what you will okay yeah i think it's okay it's got it's got really interesting aquaman kind of story arc you love your aquaman i do love my aquaman why specifically do you love aquaman the new 52 runs really good i haven't been a long-term fan of his all right you're a bandwagon And I think I was against him at one point because he was in Entourage. Oh, yeah. And even though I've watched every episode of Entourage, I despise that show. Yeah, because you stuck with it because the movie was off.

And then the movie was back on again, right? Yep. Yeah. And I'll go and see it. You know I've seen every episode of Sex and the City. Did you know that? Yeah, probably also done that. I used to live with two girls.

But also, then I just started watching it by myself. It was a pretty good show. It was a good night. It was well written. The movies though, especially the second one, really screw that whole series up. That's a shame. And make it unwatchable. And I'd go into it, but I doubt there's a single person who cares.

Yeah. All right. So we've skipped. Oh, Sarah Jessica Parker listens. She sent me an email, so maybe a little. There's a lot of hate for her. Have you noticed that? I've noticed that, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Anyway There's a lot of hate for her. Have you noticed that? I've noticed that, yeah.

Anyway. From a bunch of Miranda's. I don't know what that means. We've skipped a few, Mason. Have we? Yeah. We haven't seen. I'll just quickly name a few.

The Green Lantern ones. The Green Lantern There's Green Lantern First Flight Green Lantern Emerald Nights, Superman Doomsday. That was like the first one. That was like the one with the first ones, yeah. Superman, Batman.

Oh, I wrote Superman, Batman, Apocalypse, but you'd seen that one. Yeah, I've seen that one. So I've only missed a few. We're the best. We certainly are. So between us, we know everything. I think so. I think that's what we've established.

Now, this is the... I said to you at the start, I was going to tell you the future plans for the animated movies. Okay, I'm ready. First of all, this is how they should do the DC live action movies. Oh, this is the... I said to you at the start I was going to tell you the future plans for the animated movies. Okay, I'm ready. First of all, this is how they should do the DC live action movies. Oh, somebody's got some opinions. Well, I'm like,

no, I've zeroed... That's it. That is my opinion. It's all interlinked. Everybody kind of has a good understanding of the origins and they know what works

about that particular character. And also, they're not all hits but they're all pretty good. Right, yeah. You know? You know what? I think we've established

having watched these, I never watched one and thought, oh, this. You know? I think, you know what? I think we've established, having watched these, I never watched one and thought, oh, this is awful. Yeah. I have to switch it off. But I've, there's a lot of movies, there's a lot of live action movies where I've thought, this is awful, I can't watch this, so. And this is definitely where DC have it over Marvel as part of the animated department. Because Marvel do those kind of

animated comic ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which are not anything. That's true. From what I've seen that are not good and then they did the anime Wolverine and Iron Man and they've got some

that are good but I'm not going to watch all of those to do a similar one for this I might do a few but I can't sit through all of those

because there's a lot of them and most of them not most of them a lot of them aren't good so take that Marvel yeah

lift your game come on but also great movies. You're doing really well. Because it's the same thing for the Marvel movies. They're not all 100%. They don't all hit.

Right. But they're trying enough and there's a lot of variety or somewhat. There's a lot of sequels and whatever. Yeah. They're bringing in a whole lot of different characters and they stick to their guns and this is the continuity and all links in. And even though there is some continuity breaks in this. Yeah, yeah.

But they're very true to the comics. And the people in DC Animation should have more of a say than the people who are currently running it. The bigwigs. The hot shots in Hollywood Mason. The fat cats. The fat cats. Yeah. But this is the plan from now on though.

They're going to produce roughly three a year. Okay. Two of them are going to follow on in the continuity. One's going to be separate. Oh, interesting. Like a standalone thing. So we've got some ones coming up

so you have some more new frontiers and etc yeah exactly so the next one's coming up is Son of Batman which is about

Damien Wayne and how Bruce Wayne discovers he's got a son and he's being trained by the League of Shadows and spoiler alert he dies in the comics but I don't think

that happens it happened ages ago it did but I don't think that's what's going to happen in this so that should be interesting. And that's the same Batman

that you love from Justice League War, same voice. So I think they might be keeping a few of those carrying him over. What they should do when they were going to

introduce a new Batman, they should get the opening scene where he's introduced in a film and just dub it like with 12 different actors and then get a whole bunch of nerds in a room

like us because we represent the people we do and then just play them all and say which is the best one yeah and one gets it

everybody else gets the ass that's how it works I'm all for that yeah you should focus test everything I think so and don't have a particular vision no

get a group consensus on everything I think so yes yeah just Batman voices just Batman that's it that's all you want yeah have a particular vision. No. Get a group consensus on everything. Yes. Just Batman voices. Just Batman. That's it.

That's all you want. Yeah, fair enough. I'm down with that. Look, if they are willing to fly us over for that, I will do it. Okay, cool. I will take the time out of my job and life

as international jewel thief. I can probably work that in. Yeah, I'd say so. Next one after that, we've got Batman Assault on Arkham and that's set in the Arkham video game universe. So I'm really looking forward to that one.

I'm not looking forward to that one. Really? Anything based on a video game. I don't know. But those are amazing stories. Yeah, I'm sketchy then. I don't think the comics for those video games are great. Because they're kind of weird prequel things.

And they don't really do a lot. Though, you know what? They say that the Injustice Gods Among Us comic is really good. No, I've never said that. No, I've heard that from multiple sources. I've heard the opposite,

but that's okay. Yeah. Wow. Controversy. There you go. And also, there's apparently an Aquaman one on the way which is based on

the Throne of Atlantis which is a new DC 52 thing. Okay, cool. Which is a pretty good story arc so I'll be happy to see that. Okay, there's some rumoured projects though, Mason, or things that Creative Minds had said that they want to get... You and your rumours.

All right. These are people who Creative Minds have said they want to make this. Okay. So, you know, in the big wigs at Hollywood who make the live action, they never say, I want to make this. They're not loose-lipped, and I don't like that. Yeah. I don't like it.

No. So, the Green Arrow, they were talking about doing a Green Arrow. Okay. A Sinestro corpse, or is it cause? Or is it the cause? The cause, yeah. Yeah, good. Bruce Timm wants to do the Killing Joke.

Okay, yeah. Which would be great. There's another one that's better. Better than year one. Killing Joke. Eh, it's on par. You're a real son of a bitch, Mason. You had the rumour in that story that Batman actually

kills the Joker at the end? He doesn't though, because he's still around. Well, basically, at the end of it, they're laughing together. And then it fades to black. No, then it just stops. The Joker just stops laughing. It's just after Batman reached out. And it can either be interpreted as Batman

laughing with him with his hand on his shoulder, or Batman reaches out and just breaks his neck. So take that whatever way you want. I hope he kills him. I don't know. Do it. I don't care. Mark Hamill, though, who's retired from being the Joker, he's like, I'm done.

I'm back into Star Wars. I'm back. I'm going to reclaim my legacy as the most popular science fiction character of all time. That's it. He said he'd return for that if they do it. For the killing joke? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that would make sense. They want to do it. He would do the best job of it. That is pretty much guaranteed. That's it. He said he'd return for that if they do it. For the killing joke? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that would make sense. He would do the best job

of it. That is pretty much guaranteed. That's right. They want to do maybe a Wonder Woman centric Justice League. Okay. Batman R.I.P. Yep. And also would you want to say something about that? No, but that's the one where he becomes crazy 1950s

multi-coloured Batman for a while. It's wacky as hell. It's kind of wacky, yeah. And Red Son. Oh, yeah, so big one. Okay, yeah, cool. Which would be a good standalone one. Definitely, yeah.

There's one I want to talk about. I want to see The Black Mirror. I said that at the start. You did mention that, yeah. Which is Dick Grayson is taking over the Batman role for a bit. It's an amazing graphic novel. Everybody should read it. It's one of the best Batman stories

and it is Scott Snyder and he goes up against, well, does he or does he not go up against Jim Gordon's son who may or may not be a serial killer. Oh, interesting. It's really good. Nice.

So check that out, Mason. Yeah. Any that you'd like to see? I don't have any kids that are serial killers that I know about. Wink. That's his opening line.

That's his opening line, yeah. So that's the show Mason For this week It's pretty good But before we go Yeah I'm going to do a quick shout out Is that okay? Yes

A gentleman by the name of Courtney Heck Reached out to us And it's Courtney Heck's 18th birthday Sorry Yeah 18th birthday On the 9th of Feb

And he said Can we do him a shout out And I said Absolutely we can And this is me saying Happy birthday You didn't consult me Did you?

Nope Wow Well you put me in Quite a pickle You didn't consult with me though, did you? Nope. Wow. Well, you've put me in quite a pickle, haven't you? You've painted me into a corner. A right bloody... Do you wish him not a happy birthday? No, it's got a happy birthday, buddy. It's good.

Thanks for listening. Also, should we make a rule? You only get one. So we've done a happy birthday. We might do a... If there's another event, we'll wish somebody a happy new year. And then it's done. Get married. We could emcee a wedding, new year, but then it's done. Get married.

We could emcee a wedding, but just together. And it's all comic book references. Yep. Yep. So we could do one of each. Okay. So we're not doing birthdays every week. Happy to do it for Courtney, though, because he sent a really nice email and he seems like

a good guy. Love it. And I hope he has a good birthday. But I hope you also have a good birthday, Mason. Thanks, pal. In hell. Aww. All right. Next week, Robocop. Okay. Try and see Mason. Thanks, pal. In hell. Oh. All right.

Next week, Robocop. Okay. Try and see it. I should probably. Wouldn't it be fun, though, if I didn't? Yeah. That'd be pretty fun. It sure would, because I have many thoughts, and I'd love to know your thoughts.

Okay. Because you're a big fan. And that's the show for this week. Fantastic. Please hit us up on iTunes, Mason, to rate us. Okay. Weekly Planet Pod. We can find us at any...

Oh, sorry. Find us at these things. Weekly Planet Pod on Gmail, Facebook, Twitter. Give us some ideas of things to talk about. I've actually been going through all the emails and making a list of the suggestions people have made. Thank God, because I haven't. You do a lot of heavy lifting on this show.

I do not do any. I certainly do. Some might say too much. Some might say not enough. I say not enough.. I certainly do. Some might say too much. Some might say not enough. I say not enough. Lift your game, mate. Come on. So yeah,

please hit us up with story ideas. Please find Mason at? At Wikipedia Brown on Twitter. That's where you can find me. Do that, asking questions. Again, I don't really do anything, but I'll say hi

and I'll say hi back. A lot of the questions he asks that he gets asked or comments he messages me and he's like, what is this? Because he doesn't remember saying that

or referencing any of it. So yeah, but good on him. Give me some context. Give him context. Let me cut out a clip of me being an idiot and then send it to me and say, hey, what did you mean here, you idiot? And I'll be like, I don't know. And you could find me.

I had a lot of time to fill. That's right, yeah. You could find me at Mr. Sunday Movies on Twitter and Facebook. That's a really long show this week, Mason. Let's get out of here. That's all right. You can edit it down because you do all the heavy lifting. You're a real son of a bitch.

You know that? All right, guys. Thank you very much. Thank you. See you, pals. Bye. Bye.