The Weekly Planet - 211 New Star Wars Trilogy & Best Star Wars Video Games

Episode Date: November 13, 2017

This week we’re joined by extra special guest Adam G Knox from the Filthy Casuals podcast to talk Star Wars games.We also get into news of the X-Men joining the MCU, Justice League reactions, Black Adam and Shazam, a Dark Universe update, Doctor Who and a brand new Star Wars trilogy and TV series. Thanks for listening!Filthy Casuals Podcast: https://omny.fm/shows/filthy-casuals7:04 The X-Men join the MCU15:54 Justice League early reactions22:15 Black Adam and Shazam news25:54 Dark Universe is definitely dead32:08 Doctor Who new costume37:07 New Star Wars trilogy and and TV series50:11 Best/Star Wars Video Games1:35:06 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read1:50:29 Letters It’s Time For Letters1:51:27 - 1:53:29 Thor Ragnarok SpoilersBuy Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order on Amazon: https://amzn.to/33bQgYpThe Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind out T-Shirts here: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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where we talk movies and comics and TV shows My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday With me as always, my co-host, Nicholas Mason I'm here and we've got a guest too Unbelievable Isn't it though? That's fairly believable. We've had guests in the past.

We mentioned this last week briefly. We've got Adam Knox in from the Filthy Casuals podcast. That's right. Comedian, chimp cop, man about town. That's me. There's a voice to prove it. He's done it. Maybe one of you is doing a great impression.

Mason, drink a glass of water while I talk. Okay, here we go. I'm a dumb idiot named mason i tricked me i was doing theater the right i was i was literally drinking as well and i couldn't respond you son of a bitch he's good i like how you start your podcast by acting as though you've just taken a brief break shorter than a week you started as though it's been a few seconds since you last spoke to everyone. We're straight into it. We don't muck around here. Also, we already recorded the ad before this,

so I guess we did, in a way. But that's how I would have started it, regardless, so you're not wrong. So we got you to talk about Star Wars games, but you've heard this show before, I presume, at some point. I've heard bits and pieces around the traps. You're aware it exists. I'm a busy man. Yeah, I understand.

Absolutely. Should plug up top your podcast, Filthy Casuals, which is on the Planet Broadcasting. On the Planet Broadcasting. Plug it now, Knox. Clearly an experienced podcaster

who immediately gets a mouthful of ice before having a talk. Luckily, it melts quite quickly. Yeah, it's about video games. It's on Planet Broadcasting. It's me and Tommy Dassel and Ben Vanell who've both been on this show before, I think. We about video games. It's on Planet Broadcasting. It's me and Tommy Dassel and Ben Vanell who've both been on this show before, I think.

We've done it. We've done the hat trick. We've done them all. Yeah. No, it's a great show. I listen to it literally every week. Oh, great. Yeah, I liken it to this,

except video games and funnier. Oh, well, that's very nice and accurate. Great. You also have an on-air. Do people know about your on-air thingy? Oh yeah, Mason's lady friend bought this. Yeah, that's right. Currently not lit.

No. Yeah, right. That's what I was going to say. Are we on air? I can't tell. Well, I have to plug it into my laptop, but this is also plugged into my laptop. I mean, I can put it into the other USB. It's a dangerous game to play.

We don't want to risk it. Okay, fair enough. Because if we switch it on, then maybe something else fails and then we're not on air. But we think we are on air because it's lit. So ironic. I know, right? So how many times do things just not work?

We were recording some video game stuff the other day for Caravan of Garbage, and it took us like three to four hours to record like 40 minutes of footage. It was insane. It's just me going, what the fuck is wrong with this? You use capture cards and stuff? Computers are the worst fucking thing in the world i hate that do you swear on your podcast i like man i had to clean out my computer the other day which i've not done before just like

spraying uh compressed air into it all right yeah it's dusty in melbourne i don't know if people know this but melbourne is a dustier city than most. I've never done that. I should really do that. Did you know this? No. Because we get all the outback dust. Oh, it's their fault. Yeah, their fault.

All those outback people. Throwing handfuls of dust into the wind. We have very strong dust laws in Melbourne, but surrounding states have very lax dust laws. So they just bring it in. It's a bunch of cowboys up there. That's why cowboys are always – it's clean streets before cowboys come in. And then the second a sheriff comes into town, dust everywhere.

Wow. Horses. Yeah. And that's why allergies are madness. It's allergy season. Yeah. It's out of control. I've got awful allergies.

My kid's got some allergies as well. I get hay fever. It's a bloody nightmare. Anyway. What about you, Mason? No, I'm fine all the time. Shut up. You're not a true Balburnian.

That's true. You son of a bitch all right let's talk news fox are apparently going to sell off some tv and film assets to focus more on news and sports uh what are you implying with that with that inaudible that's nice they're going to start covering the news. Got him. Boo. The idea is that Disney have approached them to buy a few properties, namely the X-Men and Fantastic Four, which would bring them into the Marvel form. I knew they'd always do this. The MCU. Surely they've approached them previously as well. There's been rumours of talk and conversation

in like a Sony lending Spider-Man kind of situation. Yeah, right. Yeah, and so the idea was that conversations had ceased, but apparently now they have not yet ceased and it might happen or it might not. Now it seems like, particularly with X-Men, that like everyone involved with the current iteration of that is done in one way or another.

Like your bride singers or... Whether it be as a director or... Narratively or sex crimes is what you're saying yeah i understand yeah yeah the two types of things that make you decide to win a franchise but yeah it seems like every like hugh jackman's done right oh he's out yeah yeah it's but the other the other side of this is for me i feel like these are just starting to get interesting at fox like the deadpool i like it it's not great but at least for me, at least it's not, but at least it's different.

Logan, again, I thought was great and was different. And it feels like they're on a bit of a roll. And now they're like, and now we're selling. We had Legion, the TV series, which was great. And oftentimes when Disney acquires something, they'll just cancel, you know, they'll just cancel everything and go, okay, clean slate. We're going to do new X-Men properties.

And so this could mean no season two of Legion. It could, you know. I would love to see a new X-Men TV show, an X-Men Netflix thing would be great. They're doing Gifted. Is that started? Oh, the Gifted on Fox, yeah. What is that?

I haven't even heard of that. It's like kids who they ain't got powers, but they're in school. Oh, really? Are you smarter than a mutant third grader? That's right, yeah. It's one of those, as Mason talks about, it's like, how do I harness my powers?

How do I, I just want to be a normal kid. Oh, it's like a metaphor. It's like, I've got heavy hands. That's my mental power. Yeah. So it's a bit, it's kind of, I haven't watched it yet, but it's sort of generic-ish. I've heard some decent-ish things about it,

but not enough that I'd go, shit, I need to drop everything and go and watch this. There's been barely any TV shows. The only, to my mind, good, I think from anybody, comic book TV show has been Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Really? I really like that show. You're well on board.

It did. Have you watched it? We talked about it before. I've gone off it. Mason's come back to it a little bit. Was this during like the first season of it? Yes. Maybe it started a second, but yeah.

It's one of those ones where it has a really long sort of growth period. Yeah, right. And then it has little dips in it as well, but it's been the only one that tries to have like a consistent sort of acceleration of what it's doing and make the stakes bigger all the time. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like,

and it moves quickly. That's been the thing that's bothered me with all of, especially the Marvel ones. All of the Netflix shows have been so dragged. I was about to ask you about that. So yeah, that's definitely a problem for those where it's 13 episodes and it's like, and it's six,

it's six worth dragged over. So did you watch agents of shield from episode one or i had the flu the best way to do it is to get a really bad flu and have two weeks where there's nothing to do if only we had a camera in this in this incredible man cave we could have seen he leapt up like a man possessed and came over and adjusted them like javelins. I think I might have moved yours. Sorry. Can you move that a little bit closer?

So anyway, Sonia, you had a disease and you had no choice but to get onto a Marvel TV series. I had to do something with my time and there was very little to do other than that. And that was a great way to do it, to be forced to watch the first sort of one and a half way to do it to be forced to watch yeah the first sort of and it's not gonna melt your mind like legion where it's just this if you had some kind of weird dream state hallucination flu nightmare it might like it might melt it in the way of going like oh god something happened for a season or maybe

season and a half yeah but um it ended up getting really good but yeah it's like Luke Cage especially and I never ended up finishing I and I oh my god just we got sponsored and you still didn't finish it it's so long notes and defenders wasn't great no and that was only I but it still was like and Jessica Jones was my favorite one I loved it yeah and like the first four episodes of the second series yeah absolutely yeah and the Punisher looks good the witch does Punisher it's coming out this week oh I like um what's his name John Barenthal yeah as as him he was good in in in the Daredevil season and I really like um Wilson Fisk whatever that Vincent D'Onofrio he's coming back for season three yeah so that's he's there's and they've got some good people i just like it's weird the whole split between i'm sure

you've talked about it heaps between like the cinematic universe and then everything that's not literally the movies because it's that whole tv movie divide is it's getting they tried with agents of shield towards the start i found that it was a cheeky sam jackson cameo yeah and that stuff i don't mind but then i remember the episode where it's like, man, I can't believe Thor the Dark World just happened. Let's clean up this library. It really was that. Yeah.

And that stuff was a little ham-fit. But then they found, like, I like people saying the Sokovia Accords. Yeah, exactly. Pretty good, right? Yeah, there's absolutely ways to do it. And to be fair, I liked the twist that Ward was Hydra. There was stuff about it I really liked.

I found like three different twists to have Ward come back again and again and again. One, he's got a big bruise in his chest. He like, so he, what does he do? So he's normal guy, Hydra guy. This is a spoiler for anybody who hasn't seen the whole thing as well. Then he's Hydra guy, but Hydra hates him, and then he's chasing them down, but he's worse than them. And then he's inhabited by an octopus.

A space octopus? Yeah, yeah, sort of like Pirates of the Caribbean. But not Hydra-related. You would think an octopus would be very Hydra-related, but no? Completely separate. Oh, interesting. He's from the comic. I forget, it's Scourge or something like that.

It's not Scourge. Famine. Raven. it was he's from the comic i forget it's um scourge or something like that it's not scourge uh-huh uh famine raven some word meaning bad octopus boy octopus boy that's it squidly diddly dr octopus and then uh he died again and then he was someone else again oh yeah then they brought him back in the matrix oh yeah i'm aware of that. Right, yeah. Okay. It's just a bunch of people who are like, we really like this actor. Yeah. Let's stop making him die. We heavily criticise for how boring he is and they really did something with him.

He grew a beard at one point, I think. He grew a beard. It is like a modern Buffy, that show, where it keeps just challenging itself to go somewhere different and I've actually enjoyed it. The highest compliment a show can receive. Yeah. A piece of art,

the modern day Buffy. Not modern day anyone involved in Buffy. No. Because again. But on the Fox thing, what do you think that means for like R rated properties, like a Deadpool and a Logan, if it goes to Disney,

do you think they're going to shut that down or they're going to do like a separate division? That's if any of this happens again, hypothetically. I can imagine them getting real crazy. I would love to see them do Deadpool with, you know, all the people they already have. Yeah, right. Him interacting with Robert Downey Jr. would be cool.

Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Do you think they're going to tone it down though? I don't think so. The reception to the first one was so positive in that direction that they'd be crazy too. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. As much as they, like, have been bland with some stuff,

when they figure out what people like about something, they're more than willing to give it to them. Yeah. Thor Ragnarok was the most sort of risky taking. And again, it's not that risky. Yeah, right. But as far as they go. Yeah, right.

Absolutely. Yeah. See, Mason, what are you? hello listen man no i feel like i don't i there's something that i you may not know at a certain point during every episode james gets sick of the superhero movie industry and and podcasting but he's he's this is a new record we're like four minutes minutes in. He was just like, oh, no. I tend to have that effect on people when I'm around. They just get worn down very quickly. That's summary of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. It really took it out of me.

But I'm not happy with everything Fox has been doing, but I also don't necessarily like the idea of a company like Disney owning everything. Because I feel like having these different companies like your DC and your Marvel and this kind of drives everybody forward forward through competition do you think there's a risk that that could go away i if any of the dc movies were good i would believe that but like i that it's i don't think any of them are competing well enough with each other right yeah no sure that's fair enough well we actually we can talk about justice league reactions if everybody's uh

interested uh you you want to have a punt at that, anybody? The embargo's on Wednesday, but the Twitter reactions for certain film critics have been amazing. I think, has it gone the same way, I think, that maybe Batman-Superman went, which was the initial, like the super keen beans who went in moment one were like, this is amazing, this is the best movie ever made,

and then further reactions being mixed? Is that what happening it's i'm willing to bet the other way oh like fool me five times shame on you no people are saying generally that it's it's okay in terms of the characters but the plot and the villain are really weak like the the dialogue okay and there's a bit of a weird mesh of like zack snyder's visual style and the joss whedon kind of like well hey what are we all doing kind of thing but uh you know how he is that's take five everyone i gotta cheer to my wife again even in the trailers that's been a little bit oh yeah like yeah you can see the color palette like shift over the the course of the trailer i also heard that uh hen Henry Cavill has a weird plasticky face. I've got that exact tweet here.

He's the villain in Mission Impossible 6 and he grew a moustache for it. And then they had to reshoot Justice League and Paramount refused to let him shave his moustache. So he had to do scenes as Superman with a moustache and they had to CGI it out. Just always hiding behind a fence like Wilson.

There's a lot of him holding his cape up and he's like, bleh. So the tweet I've got here is this is the most negative tweet from it. Most of them are

generally positive. Positive to mixed, I would say. More on the positive end. But if all of the other films have had very positive reactions and they come out and not be,

if these ones are mixed, maybe it's the worst one. But these are more also film critics. That Batman Superman screening you're talking about was fans only dc fans that you had to go to the 10 minute imax showing six months prior to go to the thing so yeah so take that for what it is uh i do think though there is something for getting things early and seeing moves early and you go in and you meet the cast and everybody's

you know you get photos i think that can definitely sway the person anyway well there was a there was a thor ragnarok showing i think last week where the entire cast and it was the entire it was for james corden i think and the entire cast showed up and did thor ragnarok as a play instead of the so that would i think that would probably totally yeah these guys seem nice yeah definitely and i feel like i've you know that's definitely up in me for certain things. Like at Blade Runner, they gave me like a full meal. So I was like, five stars. Okay, so is that review though, the one you're talking about? Have you always been Knox? I mean, legally you have, but through school?

No, ever since I witnessed that murder, I've had to change my name to Knox. Yeah, it's always people have always called me Knox rather than Adam for some reason. Yeah, same. People call me my last name. People call you Knox as well. Yeah, all the time, yeah. I called me Nox rather than Adam for some reason. Yeah, same. People call me my last name. People call you Nox as well. Yeah, all the time, yeah. I'm my own person, guys. Come on.

Nothing could, this is from Josh L. Dickey. Nothing could save Justice League from its loud, ugly, tacky self. It's just his name, all right? I was laughing at another thing, another dick joke. Not Wonder Woman, not wide-eyed Ezra Brunel, not Joss Whedon's quippy teardown and rebuild, and Henry Cavill's moustache is an actual issue. They gave him uncanny valley face.

Oof, guys, it's a rough ride. So they CGI'd it off? Absolutely, they did. That's fucking crazy. Isn't it though, right? That's really, really weird. It's so much easier to stick a moustache on. On a man.

This comes up a lot. And we're always curious as to whether it's just, did they discuss the practicalities or was it two lawyers that hate each other, like a Paramount lawyer and a DC lawyer who are like, we hate each other and we will litigate this for, like, you know, they're just, it's just people

who are unwilling to let things go, you know. I'll take fine though. Like, I'd be happy with a fine. That's what I'm thinking. I think it's going people who are unwilling to let things go you know i'll take fine though like i'd be happy with a fun that's what i think i think it's going to be fine to good yeah so i'll take that yeah i'll take it yeah it's a step in the right direction i guess a step in the right direction because i i really like all of the dc characters i think i would prefer a dc like set of movies i think they have to kind of burn the whole thing to the ground at this point, though. I don't disagree, yeah.

Let Disney buy it. Who cares? Well, that did also nearly happen at one point as well. If Disney becomes that monolithic that they own everything, then they can't meddle in everything because they'll have too much. If anything, they need to buy every single piece of it, of every creation that anybody's ever come up with, and then it'll be as though nobody owns it because they'll have a million kids running

around the house. Exactly. That's right. A million kids. Imagine. Yeah, exactly. You're a parent to one child. Imagine having a million of them.

You're a good dad now, I assume. I don't know. I mean, he's not here. I don't know. If you had a million, though, everyone would be a bad dad. That's true. That's, you know, I get your point. Taika Waititi could do what he wanted to raise that child. That'd be about that that's true that's you know i get your point taika waititi could do what he wanted to raise that child that's right very true i did

lastly go justice league uh the reese shoots that were meshing the two tones of the film uh balloon the budget to 300 million dollars so it's a 300 million dollar movie which again if this is true explains why they cut the runtime to just under two hours as opposed to the three hours and 40 minutes that batman v superman went for you get more bums in seats yeah that way so you're gonna recoup your losses but man this has been i mean considering what this has been through if this is fine that's a win that's fucking crap that like 50 million of that is trying to take a man's mustache up as well and doing it poorly maybe he is is actually Superman and you can't shave the... It's heat vision in a mirror, Knox.

It's heat vision in a mirror. We talked about it. Next bit of news. Black Adam could make his first appearance. That's through The Rock's playing the villain of Shazam in Suicide Squad 2 in an extended cameo. Where he punches all their heads off because he's unkillable. Only people who are good at where he punches all their heads off because he's unkillable yeah only people who are

good at climbing he punches them yeah right that's the worst character that's ever been yeah I think that was the point like to be like

look how dumb he is and we kill him straight away but it didn't really but even then why is he on the team we've discussed this ad nauseum

but it's a team it's a team who can ostensibly kill someone like Superman and they've given him and it's a guy who can shoot a commentary on it. It's a team who can ostensibly kill someone like Superman and they've given him... And it's a guy who can shoot a grappling hook. It's incredible. And a woman with a baseball bat and a crocodile man

and a sword, a stole-stealing sword. But like a half a crocodile man. Yeah, he could come on. He's so laid back in that. He should have been bigger, I feel. More crocodile. He's like 12 feet tall and everything. In Arkham, you see him lumber past and it's like, oh!

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, this makes sense to me. Wait, I've completely lost the thread of what the news is. I'm going to want my own tent. There we go. You blacked out, mate, so it's over. No, Black Adam or The Rock in Suicide Squad 2.

Okay, right. I mean, everyone will be on board for that, I assume. I'm very interested to see how those more like wizardy characters yeah fit in because that was interesting in in all the marvel stuff watching them start to go like okay maybe dr strange yeah like yeah okay sure yeah so all of those ones that are a bit a bit stranger that'll be cool to see i guess but you know what it probably won't and it's gonna's something that I guess DC has avoided for a time is it's a – well, actually, no, they haven't, now that I think about it.

I was going to say it's the hero fights a villain that's the – Opposite of villain. The same version of himself. Man of Steel. That was the very first. Yeah, three. It's a long time ago, guys. It was.

Three versions of himself, yeah. Was that in 14, 13? I don't know. Batman and Superman were kind of fighting the same version of each other a little bit. Yeah, true. You know, they're sort of the same thing. Strong boy. Strong boy.

Sometimes you just want to say words on a podcast, so there is a dead air, and that's what I was doing. We've got to pad this out. People demand an hour and a half, and they'll get it. Also, Asher Angel will play Billy battson who's a kid actor who's been in disney stuff with the kid shazam he seems i don't know him seems fine looks like a kid cool yeah which puts paid to mind my hope for this and i knew they wouldn't do it but my hope was that billy battson who was the you know the kid and he says shazam he turns into the hero that he was

going to be like a burned out like an adult at this point because it's been 20 something years in this universe that he'd be like like i I said, Macaulay Culkin, but anyone could work. That'd be great. Wouldn't it, though? Get Macaulay Culkin in and he can't do it, whatever Shazam's kryptonite is. What's that?

Kicks. Kicks? No, I don't know. Genuine other magic? Strength? It's saying Shazam again. Right. Well, he loses his powers and has to foil the villain

by setting up a series of traps made from everyday objects. Oh, yes. That'd be great. That would be good. In his crackdown that he lives in. Yeah. That'd be very decent.

Guys, he's cleaned himself up. I saw a photo of him the other day. He was wearing glasses. Was he wearing a t-shirt with Ryan Gosling on it? Maybe, yeah. That's what sometimes he is wont to do, unless that's a Photoshop. Who cares? I'm going to really get him i'm gonna photoshop

him wearing a t-shirt of ryan gosling that's gonna tear macaulay culkin down a peg like everyone's opinion of him less because i remember then i saw another one which was ryan gosling wearing a picture of macaulay culkin wearing a ryan gosling t-shirt and i'm like that cannot be isn't it fun with celebrities they have a little they have a little thing that's got to be a photoshop i assume maybe ryan gosling has a t-shirt guy That's got to be a Photoshop, I assume. Maybe Ryan Gosling has a t-shirt guy. You've got a t-shirt on with Kevin Smith's face. I do, yeah.

More bad news for the Dark Universe. Did you see The Mummy, the new one? No, I didn't. Really? Well, that was the bad news. Adam Knox didn't see The Mummy. Sorry, Tom Cruise. Not sold, yeah. I saw Tom Cruise falling out of another plane,

and I literally remember seeing that and going, I can't. I'm not doing it again. Well, even the spectacular, we talked about it in an episode, the spectacular Tom Cruise stunts aren't filmed in a way that look real. Because the greatest thing about him doing a thing is he looks like he's stuck to the side of a building crying. Yeah.

The behind the scenes footage always looks great. Yeah, it looks incredible. But in the movie, it's like, take Henry Cavill's mustache off in real life and you just sit at home and let them CGI that, you maniac. I know. Well, he did actually injure himself on the latest Mission Impossible.

There's a video of it. He tries to jump between buildings and he landed weird and limped off. Yeah, right. Yeah, they suspended it. That's pretty good to limp off from jumping between buildings and messing it up. Yeah, and being like 57 or however old he is.

Yeah. He's crazy fit. That's what not drinking and aliens will get you though. Yeah, maybe it's all true. But no, Alex Kurtzman and Chris Morgan, who were spearheading the Dark Universe, have walked away. The expensive offices set up at the studio for the franchise are now practically-

Spearheading is very generous. I know, yeah. It's a very blunt spearheading. Driving into the ground. How about that? The expensive offices on the studio lot are now practically empty and there's no new monster films with a concrete release date. So they did one at the very start of The Mummy.

The big logo was Dark Universe. It was like the start of Marvel. It was like- Yeah. At the time, we were both like, well, that's very presumptuous. Marvel took like eight films until they felt like they could earn that long call as well.

Yeah, exactly, yeah. It's so, because they tried to do the same basic thing with that Dracula Untold, right? Same franchise, yeah. And wasn't it the same sort of cast of royalty-free characters that they were going to do shows? That's exactly what it was, yeah. I mean, they earned the rights to the specific, like, popular 50s ones.

Right. So those incarnations. But, yeah, most of them are in public domain. Yeah. And there was a moment in The Mummy where it was like, it was their kind of like... Oh, because this is where Russell Crowe showed up. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, it was like their, like, hint towards, you know, Infinity Stones in the future. They go through Russell Crowe's, because,e's catacomb, whatever he lives in. He's like the Nick Fury because he's Jekyll. And there's like a Dracula skull and like a tentacle from the creature of the Black Lagoon. I'd like we're supposed to look at that and go, oh shit, these characters. The Bride of Frankenstein's beehive hairdo with the streets just sitting there in a glass cage. How many vampire movies

have there been? Like, it's not like... I can't... I don't see a vampire skull and go, oh my God, vampires. People were sick of them in the 50s.

Yeah. Like, it's... I don't understand. Surely that has to be one of the last attempts to make every single film into a huge thing. I want to see one more.

I think they will. I think they're going to do a small budget. Just to see them desperately shoehorn in everybody and then just... I would love to see one more. I think they will. Just to see them desperately shoehorn in everybody. I would love to see a movie that had like a 20 minute plot and then 80 minutes in the middle where they go through every possible character they could bring in and go like,

and look, there's Spider-Man's boot. And we've got like, hey, Arnold's little fucking jersey. And there's Big Ted from Play School. Just go through and name every single thing that maybe one day you could own. I think that's going to be Steven Spielberg's movie, the Ready Player One. Oh, Ready Player One, yeah.

Oh, God, that looks, yeah, right. Yeah, a lot of people are like really on board. I'm like, ugh. And same. Yeah, look, it looks to me, because I hate, you know, there's T-shirt companies and every day they have a new T-shirt and they're very heavily weighted towards, it's a mash-up between Doctor Who and Back to the Future. What if the DeLorean and the TARDIS were in the set?

What would they do? And Ready Player One is that en masse. It's every just, what if? From someone who I don't believe has the first idea of what video games are about, beyond like Pac-Man, you know what I mean? Steven Spielberg made boom blocks. From someone who I don't believe has the first idea of what video games are about. Yeah, right. Beyond like Pac-Man, you know what I mean? Steven Spielberg made Boom Blocks, didn't he? Yeah, he produced a video that was basically Tetris. 3D Tetris.

I don't blame him, but yeah. Well, because he's that one who has the famous quote of like, when I can get up to level seven and it makes me cry, them video games are real art. And this is in like 2002 after like there had been plenty of stuff that was so, I don't know. It strikes every movie like, do you remember Gamer with Dexter in it?

Oh, we remember Gamer. That was in the era when we saw literally everything. So yeah, we saw Gamer. Yeah. See, with video games, I don't understand why people care whether Steven Spielberg

or a film critic is like, video games aren't art. Who gives a fuck? If you like him, it doesn't matter what Leonard Maltin thinks of video games. Who fucking cares? Yeah. I also don't think that-

James, we can't swear on this. Oh, sorry. Knox is bringing down the tone, mate. Poop. No, come on, mate. He's out of control. Yeah, no, I agree that it shouldn't like it it shouldn't bother you what other people think about things like it's the fact that i don't like dc so i don't care if

anybody does yes it's a lot of people love it yeah it's fine that's fine yeah but yeah like ready play one from what i can tell is just this it's just an uncritical list of references yeah it's just like you know the character the character you know wins a game because he knows the most about family ties like that's right that's the worst sitcom that's ever made surely that's one of the i don't think i've ever seen which one's family family ties had michael j fox in it and we all it was it was it was it was like little reagan wasn't he yeah but it every... Because you know how people are like, oh, The Simpsons, The Simpsons broke the mould for sitcoms, but it really stuck into the establishment.

Family Ties was the establishment. It was just like... It was the man. Everyone learns a lesson at the end. At the time, there was like 25 sitcoms that were all exactly the same. The only difference was Family Ties, the kids were conservative and the parents were hippies.

That was the whole difference. Can you imagine? there would be some difference in opinion between those two groups of people that is true i can i can see something coming out of that bring it back is what you're saying i'm saying bring back family ties fantastic except the kids are alt-right hey jay fox plays pepe yeah they've got the haircuts I love it alright one more bit of news before we get into the other thing

is it Doctor Who's new costume oh yeah did you see that yeah it looks pretty good it looks real forced to me I don't know well see a lot of people

there's a lot of hot takes on it obviously and I saw an article and it was basically get ready for another one here it is it was basically like okay so the boots

are a nod to the 11th Doctor and the stripes are a nod to the 3rd Doctor and the stripes are a nod to the third Doctor. Right. I don't think that's true. I think it's just there's a limited number of wacky accoutrements that you can do in an outfit and just, like, mix them up again. They've run out for years as well because they had Matt Smith run around and go, like, Fezzers are cool, which was the most forced, like,

why are you wearing a Fezz? That doesn't make any sense. Bow ties are cool. Bow ties are cool as well. See, David Tennant killed it with chucks and a suit. So that was the last original thought. I think, you know, I... I love that book though.

Not to your fan of Doctor Who? I go real back and forth on it. Same, yeah. Sometimes within the same day. Yeah, there's some great episodes and some bad ones, but I think you i'm just thinking about this the other day that you've kind of hit the nail on the head in the sense of like what i dislike about it is the forced sense of coolness like he was always you know he was always just the show was just kind of lame but you know quirky interesting and then tenant brought in like he because he was charismatic and interesting

great hair he got a little you know he brought in a little bit of cool and they're sort of desperately been trying to hold on yeah cool he doesn't have to be 100% and they're they're like they're a half step away from like just going like the next doctor plays the saxophone as well the absolute nadir of it I think was this is... This is when I just... There's an episode with the most recent series where Peter Capaldi just shows up on a tank playing an electric guitar. Oh, I remember that. Shredding a guitar.

And it's like, clearly somebody in the office went, what else is cool? Electric guitars? Do you reckon the new doctor can skate? What about soap shoes? But that's the thing. I think they should have leaned into Capaldi's like roughness and just make him mean.

I think that would have been interesting. Don't make him a cool dad. Christopher Eccleston was a little bit like that as well. And it worked. You've got this thing where you can redo the character every year. Don't have it be a different version of someone trying to grasp it like, but I've got green hair now. Maybe that makes me have a personality.

But at the same time, I feel a bit weird criticizing the first female doctor about her clothing choices. So I'm okay with it. I'd barely remember it. I just glanced at it on Twitter. The jacket was cool. It was like the,

yeah. Okay. Anyway, anyway, like every season of doctor who I'll give it two episodes and go, Oh, that's interesting. I'll come back to that.

And by the third one, she'll be dressed as a Roman and then Robin Hood. Robin Hood, yeah. And then a taxi driver in modern day London. It'll be Robin Hood, but everybody's a lizard secretly or something. I think they did literally, oh, were they robots or computers? Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, good stuff.

What a great. I really like that show when it goes off and does something really weird and does like a little bit of a scary episode like an angel weeping angels there was almost a really good one where at the end it all turned out to be earwax or something that had like evolved on a spaceship and become alive and and it was really good up until that point i didn't say that one. Do you remember the one where the guy was secretly a giant bee? What I enjoy about that is you could have made that up. No, I didn't.

It's real. It was a giant bee. That's pretty good. It's a tenet one, I think. If he was secretly a giant bee. He didn't know. Then good on him. Define giant, though.

Like man-sized bee. But not like big enough that he'd fit in a man's body, but literally the size of a man. The size of a man. There was a lot of buzz around that episode. He was a bit of a bumbler. One more. You can do one more. Let's do one more.

Something about honey, hive. I don't think I'm ever going to wasp it again. Nice. Not a bee, but we'll take it. No, I know. I can't think of'm ever going to wasp it again. Nice. Not a B, but we'll take it. No, I know. I can't think of a third B thing. Not a lot of B episodes. Not as many as there used to be.

Okay. That's good. Pesticides. Anyway, everybody go see Chimp Cop at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival. We come up with it months beforehand, so it's fine. That's right. Yeah. All the jokes are vetted.

So, yeah. I've never seen it. I gotta come see it. You and the rest of the population minus about 400 i've heard nothing but good things all right james this uh this festival i saw it twice so there you go excellent there you go yeah because mark i'm in mark bonanno said i heard him say that it was like the funniest sketch comedy like he's ever seen oh well that's good and he's he's never seen auntie donna though has he that's true you're right he's in auntie donna his opinion is worthless you're right no they they set up a big mirror and they watch it like a bunch of perverts that's how they that's why they all have facial hair still because they have to look into the mirror and use their heat vision

i'm gonna do a superman thing but that was good i I liked it. I couldn't be, but I'm secretly a giant bee. So I'm not great at human interaction. All right. Here we bloody go. Star Wars is getting a brand new trilogy, the first of which will be written and directed by Ryan Johnson, who will be overseeing the entire project. Oh, so he's only writing the first one. Yes.

I'll let you finish saying this and then maybe I'll know more. No, it's fine. It's going to be separate from the episodic saga and it'll introduce new characters from all corners, from a different corner of the galaxy and Star Wars lore that has never been explored. So, yeah, he's basically doing the framework of the first three, presumably like how George Lucas did for the original trilogy,

and he'll write and direct the first, and then I guess from there we'll kind of see how that goes. Oh, okay. I thought he was directing all three of them, but I guess that's... He might. He could very well. I'd imagine it just depends on because it depends on how many of the current directors produce something terrible in the next six months or become severely problematic for any number of reasons yeah exactly and then somebody like whoever's whoever's reliable

will step in because it would tell me if i'm right about this it went ryan johnson after colin trevorrow yeah And he was the original one lined up to do it and now it's J.J. Abrams again for episode nine. That's right. And we talked about this on the show.

We thought that Rian Johnson was just going to go straight into nine when Javai left. But obviously, he was setting this up. Yeah. So that's why that kind of...

Well, unless he was never wanting to do it anyway. They must be really happy with how eight went. They must. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, which says to me that it's really good or at the very least Disney think it's really good

because they would not have announced this if there was any question. Before there's any reaction to it from anybody. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good sign. The interesting word they've used there is law as well. So is it existing?

Is it? Like what are they, is only the canon stuff that they consider Canon to be law? Is the old Republic stuff? Exactly. Well, that's what I was going to throw out to you guys, because they've also announced a live action series,

which is going to come to the Disney streaming service in 2019. So I just wanted to get general thoughts on, is there any areas from the Star Wars saga of all eras or new eras that you would think would make an interesting tv show and or television or and or trilogy of films star wars films it's also a competition so all right lightsabers it's the best thing i can't compete with that now that'd be pretty cool i would love to see like a thing about the first like lightsaber blacksmith i'd like to see heaps of shit,

just almost anything that they could do, but something really actually far away from everything they've done. Yeah. Something very separate. There's not been a lot of ground level stuff. That's true, yeah. Really, I have always liked the thought of them doing just like a noir film. Yeah, right.

On Coruscant or something, you know? Well, there was a TV show that was planned called Star Wars Underworld, which is going to be set between episodes three and four that George Lucas was working towards. There's apparently 100 hours of it were planned out and it was exactly that. Oh, right. CD Coruscant Underworld. That's probably where I've gotten that from.

You've stolen that, yes. Yeah. You are disqualified, Mason, you win. Yes. I'm going to take lifesavers then. George Lucas would never accept idea theft. Yeah. He would disqualified, Mason. You win. Yes. I'm going to take lifesavers then. George Lucas would never accept idea theft. Yeah. He would be furious about it.

And the interesting thing about that is some of the ideas from those scripts, one in particular which talks about a young Palpatine and how he was this woman broke his heart, paved the way for the new God of War game. Oh, really? Yeah. The creator behind that borrowed that idea. So I think that's...

So apparently, from all accounts, and this is all coming from internal sources who worked on it, it was all amazing. I'm glad that never happened. I think Palpatine turning evil because he had a broken heart would have been the lamest...

But now you can see it in a video game. Anakin, I guess. Yeah, well, you're not wrong, yeah. But yeah, like something much smaller scale yeah no big galactic conflict have it be in the background

a lot of people have said Knights of the Old Republic so not even that like the formation of the Jedi and the Sith and yeah that's all

still quite big and they've done that and it's interesting I really like but not canonically anymore I guess so people that's the one thing

people want to see I don't I'm not particularly that's a weird one because they're still running a Knights of the old Republic game as the online thing. And is that not canon at all? Yeah.

Okay. Right. Or they haven't announced it as canon. I guess it doesn't turn around at any point. Because it's like set a thousand years before everything as well. It doesn't really matter whether it is or not to them. That's it. But yeah,

something small scale. I would like to see Mason bigger scale. Oh, okay. Just, just giant lightsaber. Just, just, them that's it but yeah something small scale i would like to see mason bigger scale oh okay just just giant lightsaber just just just imperial superweapons fighting each other every episode i'm gonna go the other way just death stars fighting death stars just looney tunes but darth vader and luke skywalker running in with bigger cannons each time that's right one of them's the size of a planet what do you guys think about at either a tv it'd probably work

better as a tv series than a set of movies because i said they were getting away from the skywalker stuff for the movies but a group of jedi on the run from darth vader because i don't think we've really seen we've seen it a bit in the comics the jedi purge yeah but there's a whole lot of time where the darth vader spent years just going planet to planet looking for jedi i think the issue with that would be that as every episode and every season progresses, Darth Vader would seem more and more incompetent. Okay, yeah, absolutely.

Because that's kind of how I feel. Like, you know, we got Rogue One in that last two minutes. He's sort of regained his status as this terrifying machine of death kind of thing. And to have him increasingly just shaking his fists at these Jedi that keep getting away from him. And we also got that a bit in Rebels now that I think about it. Even when he did reclaim his status as a badass or whatever,

he let him get away. That's true, yeah. And then 30 seconds later he's like, where is everyone? Yeah, right. Oh, there they are. Oh, yeah, they're getting away, aren't they? No, it wouldn't be a robot. Yeah. No one ever does anything important with a robot which I am

but yeah it's something with Darth Vader being like a big threat and it wouldn't have to be every episode Darth Vader shows up it's a Dukes of Hazzard situation he's the boss they're always leaping a gorge and he's like

I'm coming in pig slop it could also depend on where the new trilogy ends because if this ends and then they went we'll take a minor character from the new trilogy and we'll do a poe dameron trilogy you know what i mean like it might not necessarily you know they could go that direction or they could i know there's star wars comics set like a couple hundred years in the future with a cade skywalker cade yeah it's Yeah, it's a... That's weird. It's not Cade anymore. Right. Yeah, he's very Ryan O.C.

It's from that era. I really... There was a series of books that were like kids' books around the time Episode 1 came out that were Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon when they were younger just going around solving problems. Yeah, right. Like young Indiana Jones Chronicles.

Yeah, kind of, yeah. And they were going around just like, okay, well, what's like Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. Yeah, kind of. Yeah. And they were going around just like, okay, well, what's wrong with you? Okay, we'll fix it with lightsabers. Obi-Wan's going to jump real tall. Oh. Yeah. But that sort of just like traveling problem solver type thing. Like sliders.

Yeah, like sliders. Sliders. Like Kung Fu The Legend Continues. I was trying to think of whatever that Kurosawa movie is where the guy- Hidden Fortress? No. Lone Wolf? And Cub?

Is that- Yes. Wolf and Cub. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. Wolf and Cub? Wolf and Cub. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I think there's so much possibility here, but I also think they're very limited in what they can do because it's either Knights of the Old Republic around the original trilogy or slightly after. I don't really... I'm not sure what exactly they're going to do. I think one of them is definitely going to be Underworld.

Like, I wouldn't mind seeing, like, a group of bounty hunters or a guy who's indebted to Jabba. Star Wars Squizzy Taylor. Yeah. They won't just make something new up, right? Like, they won't just go something new up, right? Like they won't just go, but it'll like in terms of broad themes, it'll be either smugglers.

Yeah. Imperialistic government or space, space wizards. Yeah, exactly. And those are really the three bases that Star Wars has kind of touched. Right. So it's going to be all like farmers,

I guess. Oh, okay. That should be all right. They should just ship the moisture all like farmers, I guess. Oh, farming. Moisture farming. Yeah, yeah, okay. That could be all right. They should just ship the moisture in when you think about it. I mean, why are you mining it from a dry planet? Why is anybody there?

Just bring it in. Why don't they just leave Africa? You know what? That's a really good point. There's more jobs over here. No, but don't come into the country. You know what? You've shown me the error of that thought. Yeah. But look, hey, we'll find come into the country. You know what? You've shown me the error of that thought. Yeah.

But look, hey, we'll find out soon enough probably. Yeah. Do you reckon this means trilogies happening constantly forever in between the standalones? I think this will be the buffer between the new, new trilogy. So you think there's an episode 10? There will be. They've even mentioned about, they've hinted towards doing it

but I think you wouldn't just launch straight into it because I don't think people would care if you leave it for 10 years and then come back it's like oh all these characters I loved

are going to be back and then you can have some progression in the meantime with them I'm really looking forward to 8 I wasn't a huge fan of 7 it was kind of flat and it might be

one of those ones that gets better in retrospect once you feel like you know the characters better from the later ones. Yeah, okay. So I guess I'm not looking forward to a new trilogy with new characters. Did you like Rogue One? I liked Rogue One a lot.

Okay, cool. Yeah, Rogue One was great. Do you reckon this Han Solo one will be good? I'm sure you've speculated a bunch. We've seen literally nothing from it yeah probably i think at best it would be okay and they swapped directors yeah i was gonna say twice but they did it once and there were two people yeah they reshot 80 plus of it so that well that's the rumor fx is the veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London.

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but video games? I mean, moments ago I was thinking, God, I'm actually kind of exhausted thinking about Star Wars. You haven't even begun to get exhausted. Yeah, let's do a whole episode on it, though. Sounds really good. There's a big-ass universe of Star Wars Star Wars. You haven't even begun to get exhausted. Yeah, let's do a whole episode on it, though. Sounds really good. There's a big-ass universe of Star Wars out there.

You know it. Yeah. We're going to talk the best video games, the worst video games. We're going to forget a bunch of them. We're going to get letters for a week about it. Email in. I was trying to look up a chronological list

of Star Wars games before and couldn't do it within the first four links, so gave up. I've got a reasonably comprehensive list here. You are on board. That is the weekly planet ethos, so congratulations. Whenever this happens, though, whenever we say we'll always forget something,

at least a couple of people are like, I can't believe you didn't talk about this really specific thing that I like. I'm sorry in advance. I'm going to try and quickly get those out of the way. Star Wars Droid Works was pretty fun. You could build a droid. Oh, what could you do with the droid after that?

Walk it around. Was that from the 80s? Or go up a ramp. No, like mid-90s. Okay, I don't know. The 90s were the best Star Wars video game time. Because that was a crazy time when Star Wars didn't exist anymore. Yeah.

So the only actual new things you could get were the expanded universe stuff. Droid Works. But to actually see and interact and hear people talk as though they were in Star Wars. Did it have the voice of Anthony Daniels who will do anything? I don't remember. What a great one to start on. I love it. It was pretty bad.

It was like basically, you know, hey, you need to get up this ramp. Which droid do you reckon could do that? The one with wheels. The one with wheels. Probably the one that could fly. Yeah. No, couldn't get up ramp ramp. Which droid do you reckon could do that? The one with wheels. The one with wheels. Probably the one that could fly. Yeah. No, couldn't get up ramps. All right, fair enough.

So naive, Mason. Man, I would have been stuck in that game for weeks. Rebel Assault. Yeah. That's the other one people will probably get. Did they have some full motion video in it? The second one more so. I think they got live actors for the second one.

I remember them being really good, but in hindsight, a lot of those were on rails. Yeah. Like you fly through a TIE fighter factory in the second one,

I remember, and you're just controlling the turret and a little bit of the movement. Yeah. It's basically choose left or right depending on which,

from what side there is a big wall. You do Beggar's Canyon in the first game. Yeah. I remember in the T something, something, something Skyhopper, don't email him. Yeah. You remember in the T something, something, something,

Skyhopper, don't email him. I remember, I think that did a good job of, it's a fairly basic set of like Star Wars games and levels, but it did a lot of different stuff. You could fly a Millennium Falcon-esque ship. I mean, you do a bit of shooting, you do a speeder bike thing. And it came out around the time when it was just still kind of like a thrill to hear all the Star Wars music happening yeah totally and seeing full motion video was also a really

big deal at the time yeah so good now it's bullshit yeah whenever you see full motion like real people in video games it's like i haven't seen someone do it like unironically for quite a while oh actually i have there was a game called abduction and it looked terrible because it's this 2d and they had bad actors and stuff anyway it doesn't matter but um yeah star wars like in the 90s was a really crazy cool like that's where my first sort of actual caring about star wars came from was from video games yeah that's probably same for me some of the best ones have been as good or better than some of the films have been i I don't disagree with that. Who's got a best one?

You got a best one? Rebel Assault? Fuck no. I'm a big fan of the Jedi, the Dark Forces games. Dark Forces' first one is okay. We've done a caravan of garbage on it. We did, yeah. It's like a doom clone, but it's a little bit better, I would say, than just calling it a doom clone.

But then Dark Forces 2, you get a lightsaber, and Jedi Outcast, Jedi Academy are... As many lightsabers as you want. Even now are the best lightsaber games by far. The combat in those are very good. I guess so, yeah. Lightsabers are a hard thing. Just swords, like making things touch in video games is difficult to do.

And it's also difficult because with lightsabers, you shouldn't be able to even hit each other right yeah so and there was i remember there was a there's a there's a cheat you could put on it where if you just touched your lightsaber to somebody that that bit would fly off yeah and that made that game so much more interesting that's what you want and but disney won't commit to that no they're the movies are almost exclusively committed to somebody getting a limb or a head or something cut off. Yeah. But the games will never do it.

It's always just hitting people with sticks. Yeah, which was what I found the Force Unleashed games were. Totally. You whack someone with a lightsaber and they crumple a bit. But decapitation is weird in video games. For some reason, there's specific ratings laws in most countries around decapitation. I think in Japan, you can't show intestines coming out but you can show limbs get cut off here i'm pretty

sure you can't have any decapitation that might not be the case anymore ever since if you put a bit of a shoulder into the decapitation you went oh sure if you went at an angle yeah everyone i think that would be the worst thing you could do. What if you just put the lightsaber right up their dick, like all the way? Could that be the worst? It's a different thing you're violating there. It's not really about decapitation. It turns into a different rating. Oh, that's interesting.

It becomes too hot. Yeah, as long as there's no gambling. Gambling's the one thing they don't give a fuck about. Well, we've got a question about that later, which we can, which we can, we can touch on loot boxes and such, but I remember,

do you remember that metal, metal gear solid game, which was, you could cut anything. Metal gear rising. I never played it, but the first thing I thought when I saw that was they should do a Star Wars game with this exact mechanic.

It would have been really cool. The way they got around it in that as well is that everyone's kind of robots. Okay, right. Yeah, yeah. Which you could kind of do in Star Wars too. You said it during the Clone Wars. Yeah. You're fighting robots.

Are clones robots? Yeah. No, sorry. The robots are robots. Yeah. The clones are clones and the robots are robots. Yeah. Yeah.

That's the general rule. You can have an opening crawl where it goes like, just to be clear, the clones don't have souls. They're not real people. I mean, they say funny things and make funny noises, but no, you don't have to worry about it. No humanity whatsoever. Do you want to jump back for just a little bit?

Do you guys ever play those Atari games, the Atari Star Wars games? They're real bad. It was too early for me. And it was like one level where it was like, you're just the snow speeder going forever. And that's the game. It's like Empire like empire strikes back but it's just that and had the little like yeah yeah like i was too yeah that's the thing like i was too young for it but i've seen or played it since i don't know if i've even played it but just no good imagine if that you love star

world it's the only thing in the world that you know and then you're just like you have to play that but they could get away with that like back in the day because good box art you had you had no other reference point just like having any interaction with star wars was a pretty novel thing even up until the 90s yeah because there was something weird about star wars in particular where they've always been very good those films which is i guess why i'd say i want to see all these smaller scale things those movies have always been very good at setting up this broader world. And getting to see any little piece of that, it seems so fleshed out in your head that it exists there,

that it is cool to go and actually see it in a thing, even if you're just shooting at it. But Knights of the Old Republic is probably the best one. I've never played it. Oh, really? Yeah, I'm going to get a lot of... Look, I don't know how easy it would be to go i'm gonna get a lot of it look i don't know how easy to be to go back that's a problem with video games as well as they're very difficult to

go back to once they're old yeah absolutely yeah the mechanics feel dated very quickly and just yeah they hadn't really figured out how to make them yet the story that though people stand by to this data yeah yeah i know all the wait so is this is this a different knights of the old republic to the online one or is it the same thing it's the online one is technically the third one yeah it's one two on the online is that yeah and the online one they say like it's like three through twelve it's like we've got so much in here but it's sort of a separate thing um they did plan a three like a proper three they got cancelled i think yeah yeah what about that game games did you like boy i don't know it like it was the same thing of just like having these like slow muted kind of someone just standing on a bridge on an alien planet just going like oh

it's a nice day today there's something about that that makes me much more invested in a different place than somebody going like it's a nice day today on the death star the biggest thing on the planet you don't like it well it's not on a planet but it's where they parked it for that day yeah it's that haven't haven't time to breathe like the the scale of a video game especially one like that it was made by bioware who did these very big uh sort of um expansive where are they at now? You're a video game man. They just made Mass Effect Andromeda.

Well, they. Like, it's all the people who were involved have moved around and switched. But Bioware as a company just made Mass Effect Andromeda, which was terrible. Yeah, I've heard. Yeah, because Night Zero Republic was like a proto-Mass Effect thing. Right, yeah, yeah. It was this having just like going and helping someone who's like

i've lost my space cat help me out yeah yeah like don't no like it's if it's gone it's gone it's space you are not getting that cat back nine lives or no but yeah there's something about like the scale that that game was on was was was different from any star Wars thing. And it made me a lot more invested in the, and, and just seeing like a different Yoda, you know, so I don't think they've ever named what that race is. Right.

I think they did in law in the old law, but I don't, not now. Right. And there was two of him. Cause there was another one on the council from. So I think it's maybe this one that you see, it's like a more Brown Yoda.

Oh yeah. But it's still like oh but i talk the same well talk the same do i and you like i it's impossible to figure out why that would be a thing with their language if they can know english but anyway um just seeing all that stuff and like getting to the end of that game and it's like 40 hours long and then it does the... That fucking got me. It really pulled the Star Wars thing together well with being a well-made game as well. Okay.

It probably still does hold up. You can play it on your iPhone now. Yeah, I remember I saw that. Yeah, yeah. Do you have one, Mason, that's better than Nox's? Look, no. But I want to tell tell you one that i loved as a kid and we recently replayed yeah is star wars on nes brutal brutal right we we recently on the snas it would have been no the nintendo entertainment system was there one on that

oh yeah yeah are you sure there's two there's a japanese one and there's a regular you know a real one look at mr shithead over here trying to correct you no no i've got a retro pie thing and um yeah yeah but you have one as well actually yeah yeah and it's everything but it was so at the time and mes what is that the same as the game boy one where you maybe the game boy one was more like the snes one tell me about they're all quite simple they're all sort of side scrolling yeah uh platformers and at the time i played it and it's expansive and it covers the whole so many caves it covers the whole yeah exactly my favorite thing about star wars the caves and the different colors what's great 30 caves in here we love feels like 30 caves.

But at the time, when you're a kid and you have nothing but time, it was, and it told the whole story of that first movie and it's got all the characters you want and it's got lightsabers and it's got big old, it's got Han Solo's big old blaster and it's got all kinds of stuff. But man. It might be our greatest caravan of garbage adventure yet when that goes up in a few weeks.

Boy, howdy. If you're if you're an adult with responsibilities and no time to spare you're given when you start when we started it out and you get three lives and 10 continues and you're like what do you what do we need very generous very generous turns out not generous at all we whittled that down very quickly in minutes my favorite thing about those star wars games that do try to follow the plot of the films is then when they have to pat it out a little bit with stuff that they didn't like.

Did you know that the bit they didn't show you in A New Hope is Luke spends about half an hour trying to climb up that sound crawl? Yeah, right. And it had a bunch of traps on the side. You didn't know that. That's right. That's exactly what it is.

There's a lot of precision jumping and instant deaths. Yep. There's just... What the hell is that? There's someone talking about an Isuzu. They're not a sponsor of this podcast, are they? They absolutely are not. But it's just...

My phone just started going off. Sorry, keep going, everybody. Look, it's great. It's, everybody. Look, it's great. It's not great. No, it's bad. Yeah. But it's one of those games where, as a kid, you've got – it's a game where you have to learn by dying.

Right. It's one of those. And as a kid, that doesn't concern you because you just – you play for two minutes, you die. You play for two minutes, you die. You get past that one, you die again. You get past the next one. Your mum makes you go outside.

Exactly. You hate her for years. So then you keep, and you just play and die. The concept of death is too intangible to me. I'm a child. Exactly. So it's not freaking me out. And then you get incrementally further every single time.

And then eventually you run out of your 30 lives, but that's fine. And then you just start again and you keep going. But as a grown-up, you're like, this is the worst game design I've ever encountered in my life well you had to if you spend $60 on a game you know

you gotta get through it you know you can't breeze through it in six hours people would be furious yeah it'd be like 40 minutes some of those ones

if it weren't for the like artificial difficulty in them that's the problem with Star Wars games in particular as well is that there's a lot of fucking bad ones oh yeah there's so many as well i uh there was they feel

like there was a time between like 2005 and like oh except like the force unleashed i guess and that was the concept of that was much cooler than the execution totally i like the story that's great like being darth vader's secret apprentice that's a good idea yeah and they it did not really go anywhere interesting with it. I'm just trying to think, what else was there even? They did a few Lego ones. And when I first played the original Lego ones, I'm like, these are fine.

Yeah. But now I'm like, I couldn't play one of those. I played one of the Marvel ones recently, and I'm like, this is garbage. Very repetitive without that difficulty thing, so no sense of achievement, but the same level of repetitiveness. Yeah, right. And it was like the 90s, early 2000s when they were doing like rogue squadron yep and shadows of the empire was all right i hate that that was the but that was the one where

it was like this is what happened between episode four and five i love the story this is the secret fucking what's his name uh dash render dash render I think the opening level of that where you were in the snow speeder in the 3D environment. Yeah. Even now when I say that, I'm like, that's incredible. That was the first time they'd done like the Hoth thing as well. And now every Star Wars game has to open with Hoth for some reason. Though we played also Super Empire Strikes Back

and we did the Hoth level and it was like, it was brutal. Like it was, cause it's all 2D planes kind of shifting about. There's no sense of depth. It's just impossible. My favorite character from Star Wars, spiky crawling thing. Hooray. There's 100 probe droids for some reason. There's so many probe droids.

You're not probing anymore. It's done. You did it. When you go to the doctor, he doesn't put eight gloves on. Time for me to probe you that's right but uh yeah but that game from there i remember is just shitty platforming yeah and you gotta fight boba fett but it's real hard and he's got a jet pack and you don't yeah yeah jumping's just real floaty and star wars games have always been a really good indicator of where

the middle of the industry lies do you know what mean? Like they've been a pretty good track of like bland video game. Most of them like force awakens. I would say that around 2008, that's what every game was like this sort of third person thing. We're like, I've got sort of powers. Yeah. Yeah.

And I don't like, it's like a God of war knockoff sort of. Yeah. Yeah. Or like infamous and prototype and all of those sort of things that were coming out of that sort of time um and now there's way fewer than there ever have been weirdly yeah well they're just like star wars games star wars there was because they cancelled everything right there was the big yeah the the big and then they're 66 on star wars that's right

they and they apparently folded a lot of 1313 into the Visceral game that got cancelled again. The Visceral game? Yeah. Yes, it was. The Amy Hennig thing. Yeah, which was supposed to come out the end of next year. Yeah. So there feels like there's this real void of Star Wars games at the moment.

Until Battlefront 2, which is this week, which I'm hoping the single player is good. That's all I want. That's all I want. That'd be great. Yeah. Because I'll barely touch the multiplayer. If you give me six hours and it's good, I'll take it. Yeah.

Because there hasn't been a literal single player story since. Will you be happy with four? I'll take it. But you know what? For me, if it's a good four. I mean, 60 bucks for a good four is a bit rough. Yeah. But if it was a really good story i'll i'll take it yeah i

think there's a chance it might be they seem confident about it but like and you know they've gotten actors in and they've tried to it's an interesting sort of oh fmb fmb's back pretty much they call it motion capture now mason it's a big it's a big deal. I don't know if you know about it. Well, and Respawn, who did Titanfall 2, which you really liked there, just got bought by EA properly and apparently are doing a Star Wars thing now, which could be great. The other thing is,

because I was speaking to someone from EA about it. All right, you've got connections. Well, I did until they cancelled my bloody Battlefront trip. No, I'm talking about last week. But apparently, what was I going to say about that? It was a bit of a mess, apparently, this game. The one that got cancelled. The visceral one.

Yeah, and the idea was that it was going to be, they were going to do one a year. And also this EA license is going to wrap up in like six years. Oh, is it really? So they're kind of like, we've only released one. You know, they've had it since 2013 and they released Battlefront. They've done some mobile ones as well, I guess, which are probably money spinners for them.

There's been so many of those and they're all shit. But like that first Battlefront is crap. There are single player stuff you can do, but to release that shell of a game. Totally. As a product, it is kind of irredeemable. And I know they built the engine and it looks amazing, but they clearly needed to get it out for Force Unleashed.

Totally. It sounds great and looks great and does all the Star Wars dressings really well. Hoth. There's a bit where you stand on a bridge and go, this is pretty nice, isn't it? Do you go to Hoth? Is it Hoth? Yeah, they do Hoth.

No, they definitely do Hoth. It was Hoth, okay. They do all that. They do all the Hoths yeah but they also did we've talked about this before you couldn't

I love the old Battlefront games I think they're really good because like if you see a Snowspeeder you can just grab it and go and in that one you've got to get a token to transform into a Snowspeeder to fly a shitty X-Wing

for a second before you crash it into the side of a mountain yeah exactly or somebody who's way better than you just cleats you up instantly

I never felt like you could do anything with them to help anybody. You're too far up and you can't maneuver well enough to kind of do anything. So from what I've seen, Battlefront 2 is not that far off from all of that sort of part of it.

I hope. The multiplayer is not super different to the first one. I bought the first one for like eight bucks secondhand to compare. And I actually really enjoyed the Battlefront 2 beta. Right. Which we'll talk about a bit more later. But even the mechanics of the roll, you can't even forward roll.

You can only sideways roll in the other one. It just felt better. I've never seen a person sideways roll in real life. That's something every video game person can seem to do. Better. I've never seen a person sideways roll in real life. That's something every video game person can seem to do. Yeah. But I just, and maybe it was because when I played Battlefront 1, everybody had been playing it for two years and I had just picked it up. After this, I'm going to attempt a sideways roll and put a civilian to myself.

Just to be like, can you even do it? It's an extreme, like the pace of that game is very different to other shooters as well, where each of the weapons has like a very slow rate of fire yep and there's that recharge cool down yeah yeah and so you have to kind of adjust did you the two uh i haven't played any of two myself no um so i've only just seen a few videos of and stuff but that's out in like a week so yeah or the end of this week i guess yeah so yeah people have already gotten review copies and people have put up like the first three hours of the single player. Oh, really?

Okay, right. Which I'm avoiding. Yeah. No, that's the thing with that that I'm interested in too. So you played the, did you guys play Battlefront 1 and 2, the original 1 and 2? Guess if I did. Because that was the era when you didn't have a gaming console

for 10 years. We had 10 years with that one, yeah. We just had a 10-year drought. From which year to which year? I had a PlayStation 1. Right. And then I had an Xbox 360. Okay, right.

There's the gap. Yeah, okay. So I don't know how long that is, but... Sure. Yeah, that's a generation missed. Yeah. Did you play them though? Not a huge amount, a little bit.

I didn't really take to them very much. Okay, yeah. Just because I wasn't really that into most what's the format of Battlefront like the this version you're talking about the original one yeah it's basically the same thing where it's it's combat in a Star Wars based environment or great battle that happened the second one takes you there's also it's not it's not an it's not a new story it's just some of the off yeah it's like yeah it's like um

it's like well the second one in particular is like clone wars all the way up through to return of the jedi okay and that one has a really good single player campaign where you play as a clone battalion and you go through and you start off fighting droids and then by the end you're fighting rebels yeah i mean so and it's it's a really interesting like yeah two's got a like if you don't i didn't play any of the multiplayer that sounds like a like a grim realization about the horrors of war there's a lot of like i'm just fighting some droids and then you're like i'm beating this rebel guy to death with a stick and there's bits where like all the jedi disappear so you're fighting alongside jedi and then you're not and then much

later i remember there's a level where one of them escapes from the death star and you got it and you got to go gun him down or whatever that is cool i should probably i don't know whether it holds up i know people still play it and yeah to the to the new one because they were going to make a third of them and again that got cancelled for very similar reasons to everything that's happening there it sounds like that visceral one a lot of people were really mad at ea for it and like well they don't want they want to just put loot boxes and stuff and it sounds like the project itself was a bit fun it was a bit of i read i just read this article this morning on it actually that yeah it was a whole lot it sounds like the project itself was a bit fucked. It was a bit of, I just read this article this morning on it, actually, that, yeah, it was a whole lot of stuff, like the direction of it.

Amy Henning, they were aiming for like an Uncharted 4 style game, but none of them had made an Uncharted game. And she didn't trust anyone to do the work, basically. So tried to take on too much. Yeah, and the whole thing just, and apparently there were people who came off it were like, they should have cancelled this like a year ago. Yeah, well, like three years or something. Yeah, and they didn't make, well, like three years or something. That's been in development.

And they didn't make much of it in three years either. There wasn't much of it to show. But no, it's EA's fault. Yeah, it is. Well, you know what? It probably is. I don't think there's any one kind of person to blame. Yeah.

But EA would bear the brunt of it because, well, they should have probably managed it better, I guess, when it comes down to it. Yeah, and it seems like they rushed into getting this big name of like any headache she did fucking uncharted get her in and maybe didn't think about how she'd gel with a team she'd never worked with exactly why couldn't they just get the uncharted people because they were doing uncharted yeah they're they're like a separate studio that's like kind of owned by sony oh i say right right okay because yeah what it said in this article i read that uncharted

don't necessarily have to sell well but that uncharted sells consoles yeah right so that's what who would the b-list it's is that naughty dog that's naughty dog who would the b-list naughty dog who could have gotten instead who made knack i don't know it's a good question yeah yeah the b-list naughty dog would be like god like... God of War. Who made God of War? That's like Sony Studios itself. Oh, so it's Sony again. Okay, right. Well, it seems like Sony have got this sewn up a little bit. Yeah, well, that's what Microsoft are doing now,

trying to go around and buy up some studios because nobody wants to buy Xboxes these days as well. Except for you. You got one. I got one because I got it for super cheap because someone else didn't want it anymore. Hey, look, if you can get most of the same games, then who cares?

You know what I mean? Well, I end up having both now because of the podcast that I do. Of course, yeah, yeah. Filthy Casual is the podcast. Filthy Casual is on the Planet Broadcasting Network. Correct. Checkitout.com, whatever it is. Checkitout.com, that's our website.

I listen and I don't even care about video games. Yeah, that's right. With the, apparently the other thing- I mean, I'm't even care about video games. Yeah, that's right. With the, apparently the other thing. I mean, I'm doing this episode about it. The other thing with the Amy Henning thing was, apparently she's a great storyteller, but she was giving input into level design, but that's not her area.

So that was also, again, that thing you were talking about of taking on too much. There was another person who did. That was their job. Totally. Like Scorsese coming along and being like, I'm going to build the cameras as well. but i guess if she's good at story surely in an uncharted style video game like story and level design sort of have to work together they do yes yeah there's

banter while you're shooting oh i say stop and they'll look at a mountain yeah actually you know the best thing about that first battlefront game was because i got it for free when i got playstation plus or something so they're gonna say when you robbed that eb and uh the vr thing they made for that is about 20 minutes long but it's fucking cool really what is it like it's uh you're flying in an x-wing you're in an x-wing squad oh no i have seen that yeah somebody comes out and goes, well, they don't come out there. You're in space. But they come over the radio. They knock you on your window.

Excuse me, sir. Help! I've lost my car. You go and save some people from a Star Destroyer. But just being in VR and seeing a fucking Star Destroyer besides Star Destroyer, really cool. Okay. Mason, get on that.

Here's one that you love, Mason. I know you had a dead year where you did nothing for 15 years or whatever. Destroyer, really cool. Okay. Mason, get on that. Here's one that you love, Mason. Yes. I know you had a dead year where you did nothing for 15 years or whatever. You played the X-Wing TIE Fighter, TIE Fighter versus X-Wing games. Yes, I did. Yeah, that's right. And? They're good.

And they opened with TIE Fighter, if I remember correctly. They did, yeah, which was a bold move. Bold move. You played as the bad guys. No, actually, I think they opened with X-Wing. I think they opened with TIE Fighter. Okay, you keep lying. They opened with X-Wing. Dammit! The first one was X-Wing. I think they opened with TIE Fighter. Okay, you keep lying. They opened with X-Wing.

Dammit! The first one was X-Wing, and then they did... TIE Fighter was the popular one. TIE Fighter 2nd, and then an expansion for that, and then X-Wing Alliance or something, and X-Wing versus TIE Fighter. Well, regardless, stop arguing about it, guys. I think they were good games.

I agree. That whole flight sim thing has gone away. You know what was cool as well? Is that the time Mark Hamill... Pilot wings. Oh, never mind. Mark Hamill was doing those wing commanding. That's right, yeah.

And so... Full motion video, baby. And kind of competing with the Star Wars one. Yeah. I never played Wing Commander though. Were they good? They were all right and I was about five. Okay, sure.

So take that with a grain of salt. I was very much an adult and I played them. I'm very old. There was one called Privateer, which was sort of Star Wars inspired in the sense that you were just, you know, the Wing Commander games, you're fighting against, you know, an unending war against these lion creatures who want to destroy the planet.

But Privateer, you're just some rat bag. You're a freelancer. Yeah, you're just some smuggler. That was really good so there's no great galactic conquest then that dude

who made that Chris something I think went on to make a game called Freelancer and now is making that Star Citizen

game which again Mark Hamill is in so how about that it all fucking ties together it's all coming together I think that thing

is a tax scam I don't think it'll ever come out but yeah I think Red Ro thing is a tax scam I don't think it'll ever come out but uh I think Red Rooster's a tax scam do you really disgust

is that why there's like three of them yeah and that's why they never make any money but there's never anyone in there we're the only

customers ever we're the only people who eat Red Rooster I bought Red Rooster I went in Perth airport Red Rooster

is one of your small options. When I went up and ordered. And Darwin Airport. Were they surprised when you ordered? She seemed stunned. Like, do we have any chicken? Okay, you can sit here if you want.

We haven't wiped anything down. Nobody currently here has been trained on how to cook anything, so it might be a while. Do you want to cook it? Do you have any allergies? Not to chicken. No, but like to anything, because we don't really know what's going to...

Sorry, you think it's a tax scam. Star Citizen. Like that thing's been, it's one of those things where it was a Kickstarter. It's made about $100 million so far, and they have shown bits and pieces of it, but have not come anywhere near to saying like we maybe bring it out soon it's a very controlled tech demos the first the first

thing i ever attempted to buy on kickstarter was in like 2012 and it never eventuated what was what happened it was a watch and they they got a million dollars they got a million dollars in kickstarter funding it was on like all the tech blogs and then it was just a series of blog posts about how things weren't quite working out how they wanted to and then it was like oh we we don't we don't have any money and we can't make them and we're really behind schedule none of us have watches and we live we haven't ever checked the time and then and then it was like but i'm i'm living in my van and i don't we can't and then they just disappeared and i'm like you just got a million bucks and you're like we'll never have

this amount of money ever again that's crazy it's not like people haven't made watches before as well how can you not figure it out these guys haven't made watches oh the world's thinnest watch

oh I beg your pardon Maharaja that's right do you remember Derek Smart I remember Derek Smart how fucking thin do you need a watch to be though by the way

it was less than a million I never tried to squeeze through a crevice and gone, oh, if only it wasn't for this watch. Never saw my hand off. That's how the T-1000 gets caught in Terminator 2, in that asylum. He gets caught, his watch gets caught in the bars.

One of those big Velcro dad watches with a huge face on it. Oh, man. Anyway, those TIE fighter guys are good, weren't they? They were really good. Great aerial combat. The only thing I wish they could do was barrel roll. I feel like a lot of these games they don't... Oh, the side roll of fighter jets.

Yeah, the side roll. Did you not have any yaw? Is that yaw? You could bank or whatever. I reckon you could yaw. In flight simulators, the yaw is quick tap to the left and then a turn to the right and then you barrel roll. I reckon you could.

Yeah. You're probably right. Maybe you couldn't barrel roll. Oh, man. I'm a video game character. then you bow a roll. I reckon you could. Yeah. Maybe you couldn't bow a roll. Oh, man. I'm a video game character. I can fucking sideways roll wherever I want. All day and all night, baby. Did you ever play the original Star Wars arcade cabinet game

where it repeats but you just fly in and it's all just line graphics? The, what do they call them, Vexels, something like that? It's fun. I mean, it repeats forever. I did it once and I'm like, I beat it. And then it started again and I went, nah. That's weird. Normally Star Wars fans don't have a tolerance for watching the same thing again and again and again.

I got it. But yeah, did anyone ever play that? I did on a pier that's now burnt down in Brighton, England. And I burned it down because the game sucked. Okay, what about this? The arcade machine was filled with asbestos. Just bales of hay and chicken wire. That was going to go up.

There was a Star Wars arcade. Asbestos flammable? I went with that, but I don't know if it is. I think it's the opposite. Oh, there you go. It's very safe. Yeah. If you ate a bunch of it, you would become impervious to fire.

Any children listening? Pick it up. Get into it. There was a Star Wars arcade cabinet game where you just had the joystick and you just did a whole lot of things through the, it was called the Star Wars trilogy. And you'd fight Darth Vader with a lightsaber. You'd go through Endor on the whatever.

This was like a different version of the same one, right? This is from like the late 90s. This is a Sega one, I think. Something like that. It's called Star Wars arcade trilogy or something like that yeah a bunch of different like like warrior wear mini games almost pretty much and i always wanted to play it but i have to build a sandwich on a conveyor belt i played actually now that i think about it there was yeah it was it looked as it looked like a 90s 3d arcade virtual fighter ish kind of game yeah maybe i don't really remember

still burnt that pier down there didn't you yeah episode one racer that was a really fucking good game came with my 64 that i won yeah i loved that like we should play i would love to that stuff about that like that's the star wars stuff that i like when they have all these weird dumb characters i it's it's probably weird for me to say the pod racing scene of episode one is the Star Wars stuff I like, but like all of those different designs of the pods and everything. Weird aliens and voice of Jake Lloyd, they got him. Did they really?

They got him, yeah. Big get. Yeah, big get. He's got it out, I did it. There was a sequel as well, which I never played. It might've been called Racist Revenge or something like that. Yes, on the PS2 and it wasn't as good. No, it was called Racist Revenge.

Sounds a different game. Very unpleasant, yeah. Okay, gotcha. Or if you're getting a revenge on a racist, then that's all right. Oh, no. No revenge? Oh, okay. Good.

We played last year as well, what's on our Caravan of Garbage video, the one where we tried to beat Darth Vader in like five games and we didn't. It was a close race. Yeah, no, it wasn't. We played Masters of Terra Kasai. The fighting game. And it's not good, but it's not as bad. I'm like, this is as good as Virtual Fighter.

It's probably not. It's so fucking weird to see Luke Skywalker kick someone. But I guess a lot of these video games, we go through the lens of, well, we're not paying for this. Yeah, well, no, that one I paid for. It's right there. Well, I didn't pay for this so yeah it was worth it for a free game there was a play for 10 minutes there was a ps1 game

called bushido blade where you were samurais and it was basically first cut wins you know swords something like that was star wars could be yeah absolutely no it definitely wasn't that it was first kick wins yeah that's what it was yeah they went real nuts with just before disney bought yeah everything they went real nuts with like the connect star wars games i don't know why they would think people would want that i don't thinking i like it everyone got full well not everyone everyone who was in an executive position got fooled by people think thinking that people would want the connectinect or that motion control. But like a couple of, you know, 60-minute stories about grandmas playing the Wii and all of a sudden they're like,

oh, the future of video games is just waggling your arms around. Let's just abandon everything that works. Yeah. With this new gimmick, yeah. And hard solos should sing. But that guy's got some pipes on him. Garbage. I've never played it.

I've only seen clips of it. But there are bits also where you're a Jedi and you go through and you cut down droids. What happens is you go through and you make the motion in real life as though you're going to cut them down and then whoever's on screen flips out and like hits his head on the ground

and you're done. That sounds good too. Do you guys play... There was one Star Wars Demolition which I never played it was like a it was like a Demolition Derby game

but with all Star Wars vehicles on the PlayStation 1 with those big dumb brown sort of like droid holder things from episode 1 crashing into each other

yeah it was yeah it was that or you're a chicken walker or you're a whatever I didn't play it but it sounds incredible yeah there was Star Wars

Galactic Battlegrounds, which was Age of Empires, but it was just kind of reskinned. That was actually pretty good. It was good. Because it was Age of Empires. Exactly. It was good because it was Age of Empires, yeah. Yeah, I'd never played any of the multiplayer online,

like the massively multiplayer online ones either because there were two of them. There was Galaxies. Yeah, right. Which shut down and that looked fucking weird. Yeah. And you could play through it as a droid or as whatever the hell you wanted to be. You could be a droid that became a Jedi at some point. Yeah.

And it seems crazy in that way that older games were, that had small-ish communities around them where they got really strange with it. And that seemed cool because the modern one doesn't really appeal to me at all, the Old Republic. But that one seemed like it would have been cool if you were there at the time. When they shut it down, it was like 2003. Was that World of Warcraft era?

Yeah, it would have come out before that. Oh, really? Before World of Warcraft did. And it would have shut down around 2010-ish. Okay, so it ran for a little bit then. Yeah, maybe earlier than that. There used to be a lot of these. Like there was a Matrix one. did and it would have shut down around 2010 okay so it ran for a little bit then yeah maybe maybe earlier than that used to be a lot of these like there was a matrix one yeah you know yeah that's right matrix online yeah maybe there was three but there was a lot of them a marvel superheroes

one there was a dc one dc universe online as well and then a couple of knockoff ones where it's like age of heroes you can make spiderman j James Spiderman. Yeah. Wow, yeah. Republic Commando, which I haven't played. I bought it on Steam a while back, but it's a first-person shooter. That's how they get you with Steam. It was a package. It was like X-Wing.

I read an article on it. It's like 75% of the games people buy on Steam and never play. I bought a Star Wars bundle and I only played Jedi Outcast. But it was like 19 bucks or whatever. Do you know what bothers me with that though is they all have different formats

and so some of them are Star Wars, Big PM and then they come alphabetically before they should. Anyway. That sounds like a Ben Van All nitpick. Well, yes. It's probably the same problem with both of us that's making us think like that. But you're right.

You're absolutely right. That game is actually all right as well. You play as like clones in a little clone squad and you can tell your other clones what to do and you all have New Zealand accents. All day. Pretty exciting. I actually don't remember if you do or not.

I'm sure you do. I think they got rid of them. I think one of them did and the other one was like, because they wanted them to be differentiated from each other. Oh, okay, right. So you can hear who's saying it to you.

Because if you've got a squad of four people and they all sound the same and they're all going like, help me. I'm the one with the yellow stripe. Okay, I'm colourblind as well. Sorry. And I know that we all are because we're clones. So we should have thought of a different system here.

Maybe stars and circles next time. Shapes. They should have cloned like, you know, a nerdy Jewish one from the Bronx and they should have cloned, you know, a nerdy Jewish one from the Bronx and they should have cloned a big bruiser clone. Which is what you said was the new Call of Duty. Yeah, I heard you rip into that.

Yeah, it's no good. You can listen to Bleak. I felt the casuals on Platter Broadcast anyway. Dot com, dot a, whatever. But the way you described like it's the opening of D-Day and there's a guy who's like everybody go get to the beach or whatever

and then he's looking at a photo of his best gal just before and he goes in the water then it's muffled and then somebody drags you out

wasn't the first Call of Duty World War 2 as well like the very very first one they've taken it back to basics and is it essentially the same

I guess it's the same war well it's worse because the first one had a british and american and a russian campaign yeah right i can't remember if they were just an american campaign i guess this is just americans and it's like america 11 out of 10 americans you know what i mean yeah right right that's sort of american and it's just it's written by a chatbot or something just like yeah a chatbot that's seen saving's written by a chatbot or something just like

a chatbot that's seen Saving Private Ryan a hundred times and has written something and it also saw the worst movie ever whatever that would be it's just

it's no good it's not a good mechanically is it okay? nah I mean it's Call of Duty it's really flat and bland and boring

in the same way that like we were saying with the worst Star Wars games it's just the middle middle of the road yeah just dead do you ever get a flying through any creativity do you get a flamethrower do you get a flamethrower yeah you do and it looks quite nice there we go but it feels really weird to say that it looks quite nice when you're burning people nazis to be fair yeah right but they really put it must be the strangest job to be an animator of like, I guess I'm spending the next three weeks making this, listening to this scream that's been pre-recorded again and again.

Does he sound like he's burning? Yeah, no, this is more of like a pain from like a sharp nail or something, like a bullet scream. We want a fire scream. Do we have enough money to burn a homeless man? Can we get away with that? It has to be one who's good at acting. Bazooka, do you get a bazooka yeah you do you get panzer shreks

like a food it's a green bazooka okay so don't get it though the multiplayer is fine if you really like call of duty I just get killed a hundred times in a row it's weird.

For the last few of them as well, I don't know if anyone cares to hear this, but the specific problem with the design is that the maps are built in such a way where everyone turns a corner that they can't predict who's around it at some point. So it's designed in such a way that you will always be shot and get to shoot people enough so everybody feels like

they're keeping up you know what i mean right it puts you in impossible to counter situations so that other people who are possibly worse at the game get to shoot you and kill you to feel as though they're getting something done which is really fucking lame wow it feels like commuting it feels like communism it is encroaching feels like communism encroaching on Western Europe. Imagine if you're playing chess and Garry Kasparov takes your pawn and you have to go, well, I get your bishop then. That's just how it works. IGN 8.5 out of 10 probably.

Yeah, cool. I don't know. All right, we should just speed through a few more. While you do that, I'm going to wee okay Knox do you want to just hang out while Mason wees

yeah let's do it no he seemed to be enjoying this conversation the most out of all of us hooray Yoda stories remember that weird desktop adventure

I remember that one shut up Mason go and wee I had that one you can talk about it when you come back from your wee it's like Lego

Star Wars pre-Lego Star Wars yeah yeah yeah hey there was an Indiana Jones in that as well pre-Lego you're a're a piece of work it's weird when you can taste someone's pre-lego um the i don't remember that desktop adventurers in yoda would sit on your desktop like the paperclip no what was it i remember just being in need help with grammar

do you it was a little likeinesweeper kind of style box and you're Luke and it was kind of randomly generated and you have to go and do little tasks. I don't... That doesn't sound like much of a story. Oh, no, it's not very... It doesn't. It's not very good.

The Phantom Menace on PS1, I remember liking, but it's a bit of a drag. I remember liking that, but yeah, I doubt you could go back to that and still enjoy it now. But that was another thing where it padded out the sort of bits of that movie that could be a little that and still enjoy it now. But that was another thing where it padded out the sort of bits of that movie that could be a little more action-y. Yeah, totally.

Where it's like, did you know it actually took them three days to take Naboo and all of that sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah. I remember liking that one as well. Yeah, me too. And getting to swing a lightsaber around again. Yeah, exactly. Just fucking cool.

It's fun. Just going through droids with that. It just spin and keep spinning and they just fall apart and well no because it had there like that prequel very wiggly lightsaber you know very very spinny which i actually really liked yeah right yeah i like the heavy lightsaber thing of the um later ones the original ones and i guess the new ones yeah but that uh very sort of graceful dancey kind of lightsaber fighting, I always thought was really cool because it made them go vroom more often.

They did go vroom more often from the get-go. They also did, they didn't really do a, there was a Clone Wars game, but they didn't do an Attack of the Clones video game. They did a few weird ones around that. We haven't even touched the Game Boy. There's a fuckload of those yeah the Millennium Falcon one which

is probably like the worst on game boy advance which apparently the flight of the Falcons probably the worst game ever yeah right now we went up we moved on I think we covered it all I'm still thinking about Yoda stories

if it helps okay what was it because I was trying to explain it have it then I realized that I didn't really know what I think it's Minesweeper yeah it looks it's Minesweeper. Yeah, it looks a little Minesweeper-ish. It's like a little top-down adventure.

Yeah. A little game. And it was on Degaba, wasn't it? Yeah. And wasn't it random as well where stuff was? It was, yeah. It was a randomly generated world, yeah. Like a little roguelike.

Yeah. Tell us about this Indiana Jones. No, don't. Rogue One-like. Oh, very good. Thank you. Did you play Revenge of the Sith? No, I kind of dropped off of

those ones around because there were a lot that came out around then like Bounty Hunter oh yeah not great there was that

Clone Wars one god what else was there around that time that's when Knights of the Old Republic was around as well yeah

which was really all I was because the prequels I just wasn't super into like a lot of people obviously so all of the stuff that was branded around that i uh a saw a lot of pretty dodgy reviews for yeah and b just wasn't interested in the setting as much yeah yeah yeah super star wars how do we talk about them they're real hard and they're no good yeah we'll love them but they suck they're brutal bad yeah we love them, but they suck.

They're brutal bad. Yeah. We played a few of them, and we played one last week, as I mentioned, but no good. Yeah. I know people love them, but no. That's everything. That's nostalgia, though. It happens very rarely with video games and with Star Wars, but nostalgia may have had an influence there.

Sometimes it gets you. Sometimes it gets its little claws in. Also, just quickly, Star Wars Monopoly is a cheating game that cheats. It's a son of a bitch. How do you know? Because I had it and it would be like, oh, Darth Vader's rolled a six and he got all the property and you're in jail.

It was just always that. They'd always roll exactly what they did. But that is the plot of Empire Strikes Back, ultimately. He rolls a six and he gets everything and you go to jail. Yeah, you're not wrong. What's the expensive one on Star Wars Monopoly? i guess it would be coruscant i guess i don't i don't actually oh okay right yeah army dollars palace queen yeah that's it all right i think that'll do it uh anyway sorry we missed your favorite game uh there's there's always one. But should we do the next segment, Mason?

Yeah, let's do another segment. It's called What Are We Reading? Oh, what are we going to read? I'm doing a thing. What are we reading today? Sweet. Now, what's this about? Well, look, it's a little bit complicated.

But basically, have you read or seen or watched or heard anything recently that you could recommend? Now, what's this about? Well, look, it's a little bit complicated. Basically, have you read or seen or watched or heard anything recently that you could recommend? Not that I could recommend. I think you talked already about Stranger Things. Oh, don't care for it. I think it is actually shit. Interesting. I know.

I want to hear this. Did you guys like it? I actually didn't listen to that one. Oh, man, I hate everything about it. It has taken that everything that was good about that first series and done a shit house job with you i like the first one and the second one i'm really not it the things i liked about the first one was the sense of mystery and the really cool ways they had of having all like these horror elements come into it the setting

and the characters were both really good and the acting was incredible in the first series. Every single one of those three things is terrible in the second series. The characters are making stupid fucking decisions. Dustin is an idiot in this one and he wasn't in the first one. And in that really cliched horror movie way of, motherfucker, you've been through this experience. you know that there are these weird alien things from the upside down why the fuck do you think that's a lizard what about that metamorphosizing tadpole bullshit thing with the same what are the odds it's gonna happen again you know what i mean i a million it is

that a way of describing a million yeah that's right a million it is is that a way of describing a million that really bothered me it has to play every 18 seconds to remind you that you're in the 80s it barrels through the 80s song so quickly yeah they definitely got an increased budget for the oh it'd be but like no imagine if here you were walking around listen to fucking kanye every eight seconds you know what i mean nobody does that i'm not sure bloody radio, I'm all right. I don't know. It's ridiculous. I remember the 90s and it wasn't constant Spice Girls.

And I'm sure that the 80s was the same. And the acting, like that new guy who's the psychopath jock guy is one of the worst characters I've ever seen written or performed. It is unbelievable how poor of a character that it like someone described a jock to an alien with brain damage and they wrote it down in a language that they have not yet learned that guy's australian so not only did he's from perth right yeah so he doesn't so not only red range he was obviously was too young for all the 80s you know all the 80s movies with that stuff in it and also we didn't we don't have that great you know kamaro driving jock culture so he's he's he's like three he's like

three levels away from knowing anything about it sure it's like i just i guess so but like i'm not excusing it that guy's a bad guy yeah robert de niro was never a boxer but he did a pretty good job in goodfellas yeah but uh no renewable but good job in both i get was he a boy he was violent um and then i don't know like the fucking bit where like the kids drawing a bunch of you know the kid this is obviously spoilery for people who haven't watched this sure um the kids drawing you know at as a at the speed of light because he's having these memory things and then somehow they puzzle it all together which seems unbelievable and then it's all these different it's a bunch of lines going to different locations what could this be right and then it takes ages for someone else to

come in and go it's a map and they're like It can't be a map, this series of lines going to different locations. How could this possibly be a map? It takes them so long to figure. That fucking cop just climbs down in the hole. Why, you idiot? Don't go down there. Again, he has done it before. Yeah, you're right.

He lived through the first one. Oh, my God. Yeah, you know the danger here. And yet you climb down this thing where you drop from such a height that you couldn't get back out even if it hadn't swallowed you up it just people are being dumb in it and then like when those when all the other people with the mind powers come along terrible actors i was gonna say what did you think about the controversial episode seven i am not a fan of any aspect of that second series of stranger things which is

a huge shame because i really like the first one are you gonna watch season three yes wow that was great i really enjoyed that i'm sorry i have a very it just it because it it felt like it i know it's my fault i chose to it, but it felt like it took my time. Do you know what I mean? At least it wasn't 13. I guess. Yeah, it's so weird to be able to slip up that much in the second thing. And I felt like the performances were worse from all of the actors in it, probably because it wasn't as good of a script, so what are they going to do with it, you know?

Anyway. Man, what a world no no right uh sorry is there anything you've liked this week well you're saying like i liked it but i'm like you're not you're not wrong like i got there's nothing in that where i'd be like no that's you've misread that it's just stuff that yeah like when i when something gets its bugbear claws into me, whatever it is, then every other aspect of it, I start going, no, that's fuck too. I don't like the color scheme.

You've got a man-sized bee in your bonnet about this. Yes, I do. A man-sized thirst. Well, I'm going to see Justice League this week. And then I'm going to try and watch The Punisher and play Battlefront 2. That's going to be my bloody week. Was that Punisher this week? I didn't realize that was out this week and then I'm going to try and watch The Punisher and play Battlefront 2. That's going to be my bloody week. Was that Punisher this week?

I didn't realise that was out this same day. So if you, I asked Mason this I think, if you had to choose between

Justice League and Punisher what would you, what do you do? It's Punisher. Really? Very good. If you had to

choose between, even though you don't like the Netflix. I think there's a huge chance I won't bother going to see

Justice League. Really? Yeah. We can't have you back Knox. Because I want to hear a justice league style stranger things rant but that's a problem with the dc movies so far is that they haven't been

awful they've just kind of been boring right yeah at their worst so uh it's uh i'll wait until it's out on a streaming unless you hear it's like amazing or something maybe i'm totally willing to be proven wrong i have no nothing against dc I prefer DC to Marvel in terms of the potential that it has. Just a quick heads up for you. You can say I've got nothing against DC or you like, but now you're officially a DC hater and the internet will never let you forget it. Injustice 2 is my favourite fighting game in years.

That's such a good game. And I fucking hate DC. It's really good uh it's really good and it shows that you can do really great things it's the best dc story i've seen in motion yeah that's probably true in a very long time at least the two of them combined as well the comic book's very good as well yeah that's yeah i mean it does have that thing because it's a fighting game where it's two characters and there's a misunderstanding and then they have to fight oh totally but you gotta write what are you going to do?

You've got to write around it. But the idea behind it, I agree, is really interesting. Yeah, you're right. There are a couple of bits where we've been in this elevator for ages. Fuck you. Time to fight. But it's the best version of that. Oh, completely.

And it makes Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite look really... Never played it. Oh, boy. Yeah, I'd heard it's not. Yeah, no. I haven't played a lot of it but the bits i have played just the the story so it's okay as a game but it's nowhere near as good as injustice was in my opinion no surprises there yeah mason what will you uh well of course uh

punisher and justice league uh the new issue of mr miracle just came out it's a good series it's about dc series knocks about the world's greatest artist, but also he's having a real bad time mentally. So that's something. It's fun. It's like, yeah, it's so much fun. Comics are fun. But it's like, Mr. Miracle is one of these characters

that Jack Kirby invented in the 60s. And it's kind of like this, he's one of the new gods and he goes to crazy dimensions and he's got this, you know, this technicolor costume and he, you know, all these crazy wild situations, but also he's struggling this you know this technicolor costume and he you know all these

crazy wild situations but also he's he's struggling with mental health issues so and uh and so it's got the the art has this contrast between these wild this wild technicolor stuff and just kind of monotonous sort of just day-to-day life kind of thing it's really that sounds kind of cool have you found with stuff like that because in the 60s that would have been you know a bit more fun and frivolous than it is nowadays just any because of and the way that the world is at the moment yeah a lot of those sort of things have been a bit less fun than they used to oh yeah you know what i mean i played through wolfenstein 2 the other day and it's fun but there's something about the the setting of the nazis are back right it's like this isn't as wacky as it used to be and you think there'd be some kind of joy in kind of tearing through them

yeah but because it's real it is a little cathartic in some ways but the fact that it's cathartic is insane yeah yeah yeah right yeah i mean we were getting like this board of nazis and nazis in games and it's weird that now it's like a real. Yeah. It's so ridiculous. I mean, it's obviously not to the extent. It'd be like if there was a real world uprising of ninjas again. Yeah.

We were just over and it was so bored with ninjas. And now ninjas are just. This is Mr. Miracle's costume as well. He still wears it. I do like that a lot. It's way out there. Also, he's got that. He's now being drawn in in that ruggedly handsome charm.

He reminds me of Charlie Clawson. Okay, yeah, yeah. It's weird, right? You think Charlie Clawson's handsome, Mason? Yes. You should send him a text. I will send him a text. Yeah.

Also, a friend of ours, Andrew Levins, is not happy with having only three podcasts, so now he's got a fourth podcast. It's called Old Raps. And every month he goes through a different artist or a different record label or something like that. And he just talks about it to me and he plays a whole bunch of old records. I honestly think that man has more time than I do.

Yeah, right? Yeah, like he's got eight days a week. He's on a different... He's going to just realize that he's forgotten to shit for three years or something but i know that he does do that because that's when he runs his eight meme pages oh he's driven anyway there's been an episode about uh manny fresh who produced for cash money records and there's an episode about dungeon family who are outcast and they're good it's a good time and uh it's it's a lot of stuff that i've sort of was

tangentially aware of but have never really got into so i really like the image you made for it which was out of old rap tapes yeah right it's good yeah it was cool letters mate no next one mason yeah but i'm just did you say whether or not you liked mr miracle oh yeah it's really good yeah it's great yeah great great art it's uh the writer's a guy called tom king who's been doing doing some great stuff. He's a former CIA operative who's turned to comic book writing. So that's fun. Wow.

Yeah, he's real. He's the realest person in comics. Does he also write Injustice, the comic? Maybe he does. Or that's Tom Taylor. He writes – is he doing the Batman run at the moment, Tom King? Yeah, maybe. Because this is something I should say and maybe you can help me with.

Yes. Tom King? Yeah, maybe. Because this is something I should say, and maybe you can help me with, is that I've never really been super, I've never had a good entry point into comics, is maybe the best way of saying it. Right.

I have multiple times gone like, I know that there's stuff in here I would enjoy because people who I see eye to eye with on a lot of stuff do, but I never really know how to get in. It seems so impenetrable. Do you want to get in with superheroes or you just want a comic book? It's a good question.

Both, I think. Invincible. That's a pretty good one. It's self-contained. It's about to wrap up. It's superheroes, but you don't have to know anything about superheroes. There's a comic book that...

Because the continuity is so different from thing to thing. I'm going to say the title. You may not be on board, but hear me out. There's a comic book that... Because the continuity is so different from thing to thing. I'm going to say the title. You may not be on board, but hear me out. There's a comic book called Sex Criminals. And it's... Okay. It's good. It's really good.

Yeah, it's really good. It's basically about a couple who discover that when they have sex, time stops for them. So they then decide to use that for their advantage. And there's a whole subplot where they want to... They're like, hey, we're going to save the library. And in order to do that, we should rob a bank. We should use these powers.

Because we're evidently the only people in the world who can do this. That's a great idea. There's a crisis happening, quick. But it turns out, yeah, but it turns out that they're not the only people in the world who this happens to. And it's really good. It's Chip Zdarsky. It's very funny. It's very self-aware. It's really good.'s Chip Matt Fraction is the writer and Chip Zdarsky it's very funny

it's very self aware it's really good Invincible Sex Criminals Invincible Sex Criminals read them so if I wanted to be like and now I read

DC comic books how the fuck do I do that probably do Batman what's that Batman 1 oh metal

no not that what's the the Batman origin classic that everybody loves oh Batman year 1 yeah no not that what's the the Batman origin classic that everybody loves oh Batman year 1 yeah just read that it's a good introduction I think this is the other thing

I have to do is eliminate the completionist aspect of my head where I'm like I want to go through and start from the start and go through everything and I think there is no real start

there's not I would take self contained graphic novels just look like top 10 well because that's what I've done I've gone through and I've read all the Watchmen's and whatever of that sort of stuff.

A lot of people... Mouse. Mouse, yeah. A lot of people will recommend Watchmen as like, oh my God, you've got to read Watchmen. But that's kind of... That's a tough first read.

It's very referential to comic books. And I think a lot of what's impactful to people about it is a direct response to what they'd already have from comic books, which you don't get what's uh impactful to people about it is a direct response to what they'd already have from comic books which you don't get if it's an entry point for you exactly but i did like it yeah it's pretty good yeah cool um we should do an episode on that though like entry-level stuff yeah that'd be good and also what they what comic books often do and dc does it especially is they will reboot their universe every 10 years and then so if you're

really getting it if you start from the start you every 10 years. And then so if you're really getting it, if you start from the start, you've got 40 years and then they reboot it and then all the characters are different slightly and then you've got to- I tried to do that, but the problem was it was new 52. I was like, I can't just read three because there's 52 of them. You could probably just read Batman and maybe Animal Man. But don't because they rebooted it again, so don't worry about it.

Forget about it. It's rebirth now, they rebooted it. So what do you do then when they reboot stuff? Do you get like... I pick and choose what I hear is good or what I'm interested in. And I drop off stuff a lot and come back and... See, that's what I struggle with, yeah. Whenever I

try to get into something, I'm like, I've got to start from the start and do all of it whether I like it or not. Yeah, right. I'm more inclined to follow maybe particular writers. So if they do a... If like oh you've got to read the warren ellis ron on moot night i'll read that and then right if it series continues to grab me after that i'll keep going but otherwise i'll just jump to whatever his next project is kind of thing okay that's a that's a good that's a good way to do it yeah but you'll never you'll never get it all no i don't even bother that's i think that's what has always been an issue for i like it's like seeing all movies

it's like playing all video games completely not but that's what i try to do and it's stupid it's such a it's what stranger thinks oh my god it's so stressful you end up fucking watching so much shit you hate yeah yeah so i i let so much stuff go i'm just like forget it i don't if something's not amazing not on a personal level no no No, no. You don't let anything go. I'll hold a grudge to the day that that person dies. You see, I never hold grudges. So maybe I need to flip these two things around. Yeah, right.

Absolutely. Live a better life. Yeah. I mean, you'll probably live a shorter life with holding grudges. My first grudge will be against the pair of you for getting me really into comic books. I'm like, now I have no time. I'm reading them all. Letters?

Oh, yeah. Let's do some letters. We have a letters theme. Nice. I have to load it up on my phone. The whole thing. It's weird how we have to sit here, isn't it? I didn't realize it's weird until you have to sit here with another person.

I shouldn't talk about letters. It does sound like you're with another person. We're going to be here right now. We're going to do lettuce. I shouldn't talk about lettuce. It does sound like you're saying lettuce. It does, though. I've seen people say that it's lettuce. Yeah, that's a code to us now. A lot of people on the Planet Broadcasting Facebook group. Planet Broadcasting, great mates. If you're listening to this, you want to have a chat with some mates about any of the Planet Broadcasting shows.

A bunch of really fucking nice people in there. It's nice, isn't it? As well, yeah. It's a breath of fresh air. I think it's because there's that barrier of you have to like use your real name

and you have to ask to join. You can't just come in and be like, fuck you all. I mean, you can probably still do that. Somebody do it this week.

I'm going to get in there right now. Yeah. Mason, do you want to read a letter or do you want me to read a tweet? If you could read a tweet very quickly.

Hashtag Weekly Planet Pod if you want to reach the show this is from Nate you've seen Thor Ragnarok yes okay I knew that but I just want to double check this is a spoiler for Thor Ragnarok

if you're listening so skip ahead the amount of time that we talk about this do you think that Loki grabbed that gem the Tesseract Tesseract in

the end so remember Loki goes down to the vault there's a Tesseract in there and then you don't see him grab it and then Asgard explodes. But he has a little moment he sees it

and he has a moment of pause about it. I heard a theory that it had already been swapped out for something else and they already said that stuff of everything's in there everything that's in there is fake anyway

or 90% of it. Yeah, absolutely. So then they said that the implication for that for Infinity War would be that he betrays everybody gives it to thanos and then it doesn't work because it's not the real one so that's what ends up getting him that's interesting because that would be an interesting

twist if at the end of infinity war he just has an infinity gauntlet that doesn't work yeah because in in uh the infinity gauntlet the comic book series in the 90s he assembles it and he just kills everyone like in the universe yeah so that's fun that'd be i mean and i guess people have some of the appeal of of this is people go well i know exactly how this is going to go he's going to assemble the thing and then he's going to fight and then he's going to break captain america shield and then this is going to happen and then and then another character from you know is going to show up and blah, blah, blah. So it'll be interesting.

That would be a pretty bold move and I would like that if they- To undercut it a little bit like that. Yeah, it would be, yeah. Anyway, they probably won't. They probably won't. That's absolutely- I mean, maybe. They twist and turn a little bit.

I feel like this has happened with other stuff before where they're going like, no, but actually, here's what's going on. And then it's like, oh no, he just did pick it up and it was the real thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, we'll see, won't we, in six months or whatever it is.

Well, we probably won't though because it'll be another six until... Because it's not Infinity War Part 2 anymore, but it basically is. But the Infinity War trailer, which has been leaked, at the start of it, Thor's flying through space

like he's been shot out into space. Yeah. And that ship's been taken. And if Loki's on there with the... I guess Loki wasn't there. It'll be revealed quickly. That'll happen in that movie. I'd imagine.

I don't know. We'll find out in six months or 12 months. Whatever it is. I don't have a letter yet. Could you continue? Fine, I'll continue to pad and just carry the show, Mason. Great, sounds good.

Matt Allen. I'll take it. If you guys could do more coverage of Battlefront 2, if you guys do more coverage of Battlefront 2, if you guys do more coverage of Battlefront 2, could you talk about the whole loot crate mess that EA Star Wars is pushing on us? So for the beta, they made it so loot crates were ridiculously hard to get.

And the stuff in that, like, if you were leveling up naturally, it would be, you'd be doing it forever. A lot of them would do this with like no you could technically get it without spending a dollar if you have 600 hours yeah but and the problem with battlefront 2 in particular is that a lot of what you get out of those loot crates are things that you can use in matches to be better yes essentially and then ea have said pretty bluntly no that's not the case and then people who have played the game and seen stuff have gone, yes, it is the case.

I saw an article about a guy who spent $90 and just got everything in a matter of a few hours. So you can technically still do it. I mean, I'd imagine there's not going to be that many people that do that, but there'd be enough that would ruin the game initially. But I find whenever I drop in a game anyway, I'm still not good enough. I'm not even going to play it. I don't actually care don't actually care but it is annoying yeah it'd be really annoying i just don't like the the the nickel and diming and well and that's the problem they're trying to

like the whole uh system with this is they're not looking for people to spend 20 cents a day or whatever they're looking for whales exactly like the same way casinos do. Exactly. So it's so manipulative and gross as a concept to have literally a gambling system. That is what it is. You're paying money to get an uncertain result. It's gambling. That's exactly right. I like that if you're good enough,

then you get the good gun. Sure. That's what I like. Yeah. Or like, this is just personal taste but i like things uh the old days are like quake and stuff where it's just there and you run and grab it right yeah absolutely you know well you can't monetize that no i heard in the new call of duty like you open your loot crates in front of people on normandy beach yeah so like in front of other

players yeah right they fly down out of the sky and land and there's like, you get experience if you watch other people open their fucking presents on Christmas Day. It's the saddest thing ever. While you're sitting there eating gruel. Yeah. And it's so weird, man.

Like the fucking, on Normandy Beach. Yeah, right? Yeah. And I know there's, because I know you were talking about the Holocaust and how they didn't touch on it in the previous game. Stop talking about that. It's before we were recording.

Yeah. I'm like danced around it. I'm glad they didn't touch upon it. I think you could probably make a game. They do touch upon it in the campaign. They do. But in a very blank way that, that almost feels like it's worse

than if they'd have gone for it. Do you know what I mean? Like it's a prison camp, I guess. It's not a proper, but it's a part of the thing, and people were taken there because they were Jewish in the game. I'm not just saying in history. Everyone knows that. But, yeah, it's the whole tone of trying to mix historical world war ii which they realize

which is why they took the swastikas out of the multiplayer and have kind of no and it's it affects it in call of duty in a gameplay way where all of the collectible stuff is american soldier stuff right because nobody you can't have people collecting nazi helmets yeah but and so then there's nazis wearing american helmets and you can't tell who's on your team and not right it's it the whole thing is a mess but i think we'll go away because it'll either be legislated at some point because people will realize it's gambling that's accessible to minors yeah which is the biggest problem about it absolutely it is morally fucking gross yeah it really is yeah but they don't have to put a gambling warning on the no but they do if you've got a slot machine in the game.

There's an MP in England, apparently, or in the UK, I should say, who is bringing it in front of somebody. Great. Not just anybody. The Queen! Yeah. So, I don't know. It seems like, do you remember online passes like five, six years ago?

Yeah. Just brief ways of trying to monetize games in more and more ways because Battlefront 2 has that. Does it have a season pass this time or is it free rolling out? I don't remember. I know they stripped back on what they – it might be free DLC, I think, because they did that last time. Was that because it wasn't a finished game? Yeah. But think yeah i think it's i don't think so i'm not call of duty

definitely does for example yeah i don't mind paying i don't i've never done a season pass i never i never would i'm not paying for something that they haven't made but i don't mind if that like for uncharted they release that expansion and i bought it because it's just there's another six hours or if after it's all out and it's good, they do a game of the year edition or whatever. Yeah, but I'm not paying for something that's, they also might not release potentially. Yeah. It very rarely happens, but it can do.

I mean, it's so built into the model of it now because they can't increase the price of games. That's where it's all coming from is that it's very difficult for them to go like, okay, games are expensive to make and they're $90 now. You can't get them for 60 anymore us this is yeah yeah that's what they are here yeah a lot of the time they come out for around 62 or four or something and it's difficult for them to up that price so they've been trying

to find other ways to make revenue which is fair enough but a gambling system is just a real shady fucking way to do it yeah and to make it even more manipulative to people's brains manipulative you've said something wrong on the podcast for the first time ever i'm the only dumb thing that's ever happened that's right um it's it just very deliberately trying to push parts of your brain that they know will work because casinos have already done this for years yeah it's really shitty and yeah and just feels grotty yeah it reminds me of those like ticket arcade places they had remember in arcades when we were kids just all of a sudden they were just all gambling all of a sudden yeah like in japan now it's all

you know it's all shifted over konami doesn't make video games anymore they make pachinko fucking things because there's a lot more money in gambling who'd have thought than there is in making art yeah I mean

Steven Spielberg doesn't think it's art but I don't think so he's right he's right about Battlefront 2 probably probably yeah in this specific case

yeah I don't know thoughts Mason no good I'm against it okay just video games as a concept no good they've

gone too far yeah let's get rid of them we don't need them it's too many it's too many replace them with uh the old remember how kids used to push hoops down the street with a stick like a good old hoop pushing yeah my friend hoops we used to push him down the street right he was a jerk yeah is he okay nah well he's sideways rolled out of the way oh good sciatica he's got sciatica oh good excellent real crooked got that bloody letter yeah this is from

Marcus Shaw first time writing in with Thor the third Thor being more of a comedy and doing well what superhero movies could benefit from

being a comedy and what movies should 100% not be funny in any way and I think maybe a follow up question to that would be,

who do you trust as a director to make a superhero movie that is funny? Like, you know, I trust Taika Waititi now. Totally, yeah. He's a funny man. I would have said that I would like to see that sort of James Franco-y crew make a superhero movie, but they did. Seth Rogen was in Green Hornet.

Green Hornet, yeah. I don't think James Franco, was it, was but they did. Seth Rogen was in Green Hornet. Green Hornet, yeah. I don't think James Franco. Was it, was that more of a Seth Rogen? Or that, I think that was mainly Seth Rogen. That vibe, you know. Yeah, I think that could be something that could work. Well, he's doing a lot of, because he's doing Preacher and a few other things that he's kind of producing

and putting his hand in. What was good about Thor as well is that it wasn't that sort of comedy that's very easy to do i think with superhero movies have gone like here's what a superhero would normally do yeah this time when they try to fly they fall on the ground yeah thor was a full-on superhero movie yeah but had jokes in it like weird exchanges and looks and yeah and just really good like there are a couple of you know silly like when he throws the ball against the window thing yeah but it was actually funny there were a couple there was there

was more than a few of those i can't remember what it's called but you know where it's there's no way i'd get on the plane and then cut to they're on the plane yeah it was like there's no way i'd do we're gonna do that strategy i would do on the strategy but yeah it's fun like yeah the get help get help yeah right and yeah I didn't really buy into Deadpool I didn't like it very much I mean I get why people got it but just a guy being like

isn't this weird it's superheroes look I'm doing a superhero landing totally 90 minutes of someone looking into the camera lens going I'm looking into the camera lens

ah can you believe I'm aware of this yeah that's I'm wondering if that's gonna clunk in the second one where people yeah but I i'm wondering if that's gonna clunk in the second one where people yeah but i mean i doubted that the first one would be good i was like fox will fuck this up definitely but yeah i think it'll be another layer of meta something

something because they're because we've got we've got cable coming in as the you you hire somebody in every theater that it's playing in to dress up as Deadpool and burst through the screen at some point. So good. Go up and shake everyone in the face, go, I'm real but not. Look at my balls. He has to say that. Yeah. Yeah. I think you couldn't do like your classic,

like V for Vendetta, Watchmen. I think you can't. You can do like little kind of wry jokes, but anything, even like the killing joke, you couldn't make that into a comedy where Batman shoots a woman through the spine even though it's got

joke in the title it's weird even the Punisher I think could work as a dark comedy which is kind of what Punisher Warzone is it is kind of funny

how fucked up it is yeah I don't know Marvel tends to strike a pretty good balance I think so a lot of the time and I think yeah the whole concept is inherently kind of ridiculous.

And if you don't lean into that at least a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You either go in the Dark Knight direction where you're like, we pull it back and make it so this could maybe happen. Or you push it far enough that it starts having to be funny. Full-on comedies though. I don't think you need to do a full-on comedy.

And I don't think there's no point in doing a superhero movie as a full-on just this is only about comedy because there's more interesting stuff you can do with it. I think if you did something like a Sex Criminals, like an Invincible Sex Criminals, which you're going to be reading. You take a comedic comic book and then maybe that would probably make a funny movie. Oh, sure, yeah.

There's a novel idea. I think we're going to be getting a lot more of that like lesser known comic books it's going to be less capes and hammers and shields and more kind of like there's a weird story that that people like i think we're going to be getting a lot of that especially because netflix now has miller world and they like tv shows are more kind of going more obscure like yeah and i think we're gonna get some weirder stuff miller world created uh kick ass yeah so if you do or do not care for those we're going to get some weirder stuff. Miller World created Kick-Ass. Yeah. So if you do or do not care for those, there's going to be more of them. Do not care for them.

Yeah. Settle in. I'm imagining that's fairly common. As a completionist, you're going to be in the last drive. Kick-Ass 9. It's all right. Mark Miller, who created that, also created a lot of stuff that is very good.

Yeah. He's a real scattershot guy. I am totally on board with that thing of getting very weird concepts to, to show up more because there's been a lot of the problem with this whole thing of everyone trying to create their universe and trying to create their fucking next franchise is that you have to start with the vanilla one. Yeah.

A little bit like you can't have the weird one. If Dr. Strange had been the first, but Dr. Strange was pretty vanilla, but yeah, I get what you mean though. Yeah. You, you have to, you can't have the weird one if dr strange had been the first but dr strange was pretty vanilla but yeah yeah i i get what you mean though yeah you you have to you can't start with spawn put your landers foot forward yeah exactly so which they are doing again but yeah what a world should we wrap it up yeah let's wrap it up he's because nox is going to walk back to the station in the heat so we can i'll give you a lift it's fine it is a very warm day

i would have picked you up. You should have called me. But anyway, it doesn't make my own way in the world. Thanks for coming along. Yeah, man. Plug some stuff. What are you all about? Have a listen to Filthy Casuals if you like.

Definitely. Video games or even if not. We try to make it so that it's- It's very accessible. Hopefully. Many tangent. Yeah. I should point out it's Filthy Casual accessible. Hopefully. Many tangent. Yeah. Yeah.

I should point out it's Filthy Casuals with Tommy Dasolo, Ben Vanell and Adam Knox because there's about 9,000 other podcasts. But you've crushed them all. But I also think

if you put that search term into it, I think you guys are the most active so I think you're towards the top now. Well, that's good. You'd be the most popular

I would say. I hope so. I'm just going to send some abusive emails to the other ones. Yeah, the top result on Google is your website. Is that not because you've searched it before, though? I would definitely not have.

Potentially, yeah. So, yeah, I'd do that. Have a listen to that. That's on Planet Broadcasting. A lot of fun. We're doing a live show in Sydney on the 16th of December. Come along, Mason. Okay, I will.

You're going to see Star Wars up there? I think we're planning to the night before. Very good. And you also, Chimp Cop, obviously. Yeah, that'll be, if you're around in the comedy festival, I'll be doing lots of stuff for that. But, you know, comedy happens all year round. So do it, guys.

And if you see Adam Knox on a bill, just go to the bloody show. Yeah. Because he's a good comedian, in my opinion. I'm saying it to your face on a record. Don't do anything bad in the next few months. I've heard you've been saying this behind my back. That's right. God, you finally have the balls.

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it is that else that's everything i think yeah cool excellent yeah that's the show thanks for listening I say and again it's weird that there's somebody else in the room because it doesn't occur to me how strange this is

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