The Weekly Planet - 212 Justice League is...

Episode Date: November 20, 2017

Justice League is finally here and it’s...well they made it didn’t they.We also get into the new trailers for Incredibles 2 and Rampage, new movies for Multiple Man and and Morbius The Living Vampire, that Lord Of The Rings TV show is happening, Fantastic Beats 2, Deadpool 2 trailer, Mario getting a film and the ongoing saga of Schrodinger's Bat.Justice League Easter Eggs: https://t.co/VlX43IycNVGamey Game Game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3Xiv9ZF-0cInternet Hate Machine: https://goo.gl/px5LNmI Love Green Guide Letters: https://goo.gl/dZyxGG8:20 Incredibles 2 Teaser9:58 Rampage trailer15:24 Multiple Man movie18:25 Morbius The Living vampire movie21:32 They’re making that LOTR show23:47 Fantastic Beast 226:32 Deadpool 2 trailer28:04 Super Mario movie29:57 Schrodinger's Bat34:16 Justice League Spoiler Free Review1:08 Justice League Spoiler Review1:39:42 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read1:41:54 Letters It’s Time For Letters Buy Justice League on Amazon? Have fun with it: https://amzn.to/2oWDZICThe Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGH Find our T-Shirts here: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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It's more regular room than the last one. Oh, because the last one was more dank, wasn't it? Yeah, this is very sunny. It's real hot. I don't like it. Do you think it's going to change our attitude towards things? Do you think we're going to be more positive because there's more sun coming through, more light and shade? That's definitely potential.

Do you think we'll be more nuanced on the podcast? I think the sound quality is worse because there's floorboards so it's more of an echo that's true that's definitely going to be a factor we are we're in the process of moving towards a little studio space though which will happen anytime between now and four years from now very good so get excited so uh so yeah so if you're loving the audio quality at this particular moment. Settle in. For maybe four years of this. Yeah, if you don't like it, probably now's the time to. And James, settle in for four years of fixing it in post.

Yeah, that's right. But not quite enough. Not quite enough, yeah. Just up top, Mason, there's a few things that we both went on. First up, I went on an episode of Gamey Game Game. Yeah. Over at Stupid Odd Studios, Evan hosts a video game show. It was myself, Evan, Jess Perkins from Do Go On,

and Mark from Bloody Auntie Donna. Very nice. We talk about the latest video game news, including Battlefront 2. And also there's three Battlefront 2 codes that they're giving away to people who watch and Oh, my goodness. You find out for bloody details there. I'll link that below. We give all our Battlefront 2 thoughts.

Let me tell you, it's not positive, Mason. You can get a Battlefront 2 code and download a game for free? Yeah, it's free. Yeah, EA gave me some. And then the rest of the game is free forever, correct? That's right. What a bargain. They keep switching it.

Anyway, we talk about it on, we'll talk about it. Now, is that on YouTube or is that on? That's on YouTube. I'll link it below. So yeah, I'm in person, Mason, which is your favorite type of me, isn't it? Very personal. Because you don't listen to the show, do you?

This show. You never hear me. You only see me do the show. This show. Yes, but I can literally hear you now. What have you been on,ason oh i was on an episode of the podcast internet hate machine with my friends beck and chris they're also from stupid old studios uh and uh every 10 episodes they have a guest and so i was lucky enough to be the third

guest previous guests uh lucy valentine who's a very funny Twitterer, and prior to that, our household name, Waleed Ali. So no pressure there. Jesus, Mason. You are not in that league. Thank you. Anyway, we talked about the internet, and we talked about bloody politics. I've got a bloody... All sorts of stuff. Anyway, I had a fun time. Did you have some bones to pick?

I had many bones to pick. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. Without government. Yeah. I'm fine with everything they always do, Mason. Just saying. All right. Get me government. Yeah. I'm fine with everything they always do, Mason. Just saying.

All right. Get me on. Okay. Terrific. And lastly, it's still Saunders. We did a podcast with him called I Love Green Guide Letters, which is one of the many podcasts he does. That's right, yeah.

Where we just talk about people who... The premise is people write complaint letters to the television section of the newspaper and then you make fun of them. Precisely. We recorded that when he was in the country about a month or so ago. But let me tell you, it's evergreen.

The letters are evergreen. We didn't know what they were talking about when we read them out then. I can't remember what they were now. It's great. It's a fun show and still is a good do. So those are all linked below, Mason. This is not linked below, but I hope you've seen it.

Incredibles 2 is a trailer too. I did see that. Did you link below it to see it? Did you see it? I did see it. And? Looks fun. It does look fun.

I mean, we don't see very much of it. And I mean, many years later, the Incredibles family discover that Jack-Jack has superpowers. Not many years later, Mason. Immediately. Oh, I guess that's true. It's in the first film. I guess that's true, yeah. You dope.

No, but they didn't know, did they? Yes, they did. Oh, they did. Because of the attack syndrome at the end. I'm thinking of something else. You're thinking of a fantastic film. I'm thinking of Jack-Jack Attack, which is the babysitter. Yeah, that's also where it shows he has powers.

Yeah. Because that babysitter's short clip thing takes place during the incredible that's right yeah you know you've never even seen the it's been a long time since i've seen the incredibles i won't i watched it probably within the last six months it's still great it's really good yeah it was 2004 i think yeah i remember i bought the first one not having seen it on DVD. Oh, taking a punt. I took a bloody punt. That was at the point where Pixar could not really take a step wrong. And also it was superheroes. So I'm like, well, this is.

That's true. Yeah, this is a sure thing. And it is. It might be my favorite. I don't know. It is my favorite. I mean, despite the fact that as I've demonstrated, I don't remember anything about it, but it's very good.

It is very good. Well, people also say it's the best Fantastic Four movie, which it is by many margins. Country is very good. Well, people also say it's the best Fantastic Four movie, which it is by many margins. Country mile. Yeah. But, yeah, I also like a teaser that's not a clip from the movie. I like a standalone teaser. Yeah, right.

You were a fan of that as well? Yes. Yeah, so it's not giving anything away, Mason. Mm-hmm. But he buzzes his hair off. What do you want? What else do you want, Mason? That's all I want.

That's all you want? Yeah. Well, then you're in luck. It would have been a fun thing for you this other trailer though i'm not sure that you would have liked it as much i'm curious to get your thoughts rampage oh yes again based on a video game yeah i guess duane the rock johnson saying he's gonna save the video game to movie adaptation did he say that something to Something to that effect. Wow. If anyone can do it, let me tell you, he might, because he also did Baywatch.

I mean, he won't, but based on this trailer we've just seen, he won't. I'm confused because my understanding of Rampage, which I had the Atari Lynx version, was that people turned into these monsters. They did, that's true, yeah. So is he going to turn into a monster? Okay, if we get a building-sized Dwayne Johnson fighting a gorilla. Yeah.

That's, come on. That would be excellent. Yeah. Yeah. All right. But I feel that they, no. This was a full trailer, right? Yeah.

And when is this coming out? Do we know? Probably mid-year. Right. If they get, see, I feel if they give us another trailer and that happens in the movie, we'll see that in the movie and that's going to ruin it. So if they are doing it, don't show it in the movie and that's going to ruin it. So if they are doing it, don't show it.

Yeah. But that's how they're going to get people in. Yeah. So they will show it. So they will show it, which is going to ruin the surprise. It's no fun. But again, I'm not going to see it if that doesn't happen. So you're in a bind, movie studio. It's a real giant man, Civil War situation, isn't it?

Yeah. So they had enough going on in Civil War to be able to not show that. Yes. And keep that surprise. But I don't think they won't. If this is a thing, this thing that I made up, then they'll definitely show it. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you like the game? I've enjoyed it in the past, sure. It's pretty repetitive. Weird one to pick, I guess. It's also, the gorilla's not that big. No, isn't it like 30 feet tall. Only 30 feet. Yeah.

We've seen bigger. Why even bother? Yeah, this year we've seen bigger. This year we've seen bigger. And he's going to be even, King Kong's going to be even bigger next year.

Correct. It's more kind of Mighty Joe Young size. A bit bigger than that. But, so there's a, what are the, what are the monsters?

There's a, so there's a giant crocodile, a lizard, there's a giant wolf, and there's a gorilla. And I think in the sequels there's some, what are the monsters? So there's a giant crocodile or lizard. There's a giant wolf. And there's a gorilla. And I think in the sequels there's some other stuff. Yeah. And they're mates?

It seems that way. It seems like in the games they're having a bit of friendly competition. Yeah, right. To see who can smash the most buildings. Who can rampage the most. But I think in this- Claire, we can see you creeping around outside the podcast studio, Claire. I'm measuring up to a vegetarian.

Wow. In my own house. Can you believe it? You've been told. Now I've lost my train of thought about a movie I'm never going to see. Oh, we'll see then. All right. I think in this, the gorilla's going to be the good guy, right?

I assume so, yeah. They're going to play him off each other, which I don't know. I don't know if I like that. You don't like that a wolf is more evil than a gorilla in the Animal Kingdom? I don't like that at all, yeah. Do you think a wolf... Okay, if a wolf and a gorilla were the same size, who wins that fight? Gorilla.

Yeah, gorilla's got hands as well. Yeah. You know, wolf doesn't have hands. That's true. Wolf does not have hands, Mason. I need you to remember that. Okay. Write it down.

Just for emergency situations. I'm in a burning building and I'm like, oh, I've got to remember the thing that James said. I get the card out. It just says, wolf does not have hands. Yeah. I don't know, man. I mean, do you think they're going to end?

I don't think they're going to end up killing any of these creatures. No, you know what? They'll probably kill the crocodile. Because you can kill a crocodile because it's got like a lizard face that's true you can't kill a dog in a movie

no you can't kill how many wolves did Liam Neeson kill in Wolf Fight did he kill any of them it kind of happens at the end

and you don't really see it I think he kills one but there's probably others killed during the film that's a great film Liam Neeson's Wolf Fight

yeah it really is don't go in expecting Wolf Fights because there's very little wolf fights but wow that's that is misleading

on a drive level yes it is but also bearing in mind it's not called wolf fight that's what we call it it's called the grey

but it's more about kind of have you seen it no it's more about like the acceptance of death and oh wow

yeah it's great it's really good yeah alright what else we got here anyway Rampage the acceptance of death and oh wow yeah it's uh it's great it's really good yeah all right what else we got here anyway rampage will not be good because it was by the director of san andreas so but i it's weird that this is like this is a genre of film that i'm okay with but a building falling down on its own no isn't that isn't that interesting and also the genre of film is films with the rock where buildings are falling down by the same director. Yes, that's right.

But different things are causing it. What if that becomes the... What if comic book movies fall by the wayside and the new genre becomes movies with the rock directed by that guy and it's about buildings falling down? But different things are causing it. Different things, yeah. What do you think else could be causing it?

That's a good question. Maybe syphilis? Syphilis could be causing it. Space's a good question. Maybe syphilis? Syphilis could be causing it. Space invaders? Space invaders, definitely. Well, we kind of had that with... Battleship? That, yeah.

Oh, Pixels. Pixels 1, yeah. That could have been something. No, it couldn't have. Yes, it could. Have you seen the short film? If you don't put Kevin James as the president and Adam Sandler as his schlubby friend

who just can't get it together, that could have been something. Okay, but you'd have to take out a lot of other stuff, surely. Oh, yeah, definitely. I haven't seen it. So if it's a different movie, it would be a better movie is what you're saying. I think the premise is sound. Okay.

I don't. But all right. Agree to agree, Mason. We both agree. I think what this has taught us is you are very lenient on some very bad films and i think you're a bad sport mason yep that is true uh do you want the average um comic book movie news or the good comic book movie news uh let's start with let's start with good comic book movie news and then move to average so we're in a bad mood for the next

segment oh that'll actually yep perfect uh james franco is going to star as multiple man in and in a fox x-men movie spinoff that sounds fun doesn't it yeah what are your favorite characters yes james franco yes what what do you we've talked you've talked about a few times but what do you love about multiple men that they kind of messed up on in X-Men 3? Give him an actual character. That's good. Sure, that's definitely a part of it. A backstory, something interesting about him. So for anybody who doesn't know, there was a series called X-Factor where he runs a detective agency called X-Factor Investigations.

And he can become multiple versions of himself yes which is uh pretty fun that's interesting in itself but that what they do with it is more interesting yeah so so when he so he can split off a version of himself to go off and do whatever reconnaissance or you know a fight or what have you and when he can when they could train up a tamagotchi he could train up a tamagotchi for years and years. And then when the characters recombine, the original Madrox, Jamie Madrox, gets all their knowledge and all their memories and all their skills. Is he one guy at his core?

Yes. Like there's the main one. If you kill that one, it's all over? Yes. Okay. There's stakes then. Yes, but there have been any number of fake outs through the years where they're like, that was definitely him and he definitely died.

He sacrificed himself forever and he saved us. And then like six months later, they're like, oh, no, it was just a duplicate. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. He's fine. There's a character like, there's Multicate in Invincible as well. That's right, yeah.

Which is a similar power set. But no, I think this could be really good. And I wonder if they're going to go with the detective agency version or they're just going to be like i think they should they should i don't think they should just go man in an x-men suit or whatever they're gonna because he's sort of a villain sometimes isn't he as well what if it's like a noir yeah like a because that there's been some success with that you know in the last decade or so brick la noir la noir the game that nobody particularly likes but it's getting a re-release on the switch for some reason correct yes yeah but though and that you know that is another way to break out of we're getting a little tired of

superhero tropes make it film noir and also he can split into multiple bodies that's fun correct imagine if sam spade could have done that who's Spade? He's a detective from the day. Okay. Imagine if Mike Hammer could have done that. Who's that? He's a detective from back in the day. Okay, interesting. Imagine if Mike Danger could have done that. Who's that?

That's a version of Mike Hammer by the same author that was in a comic book, but he was in the future. I think we've discussed that. We have discussed that. The techno comics universe. Yeah. Leonard Nimoy wrote the Space Dinosaurs one. Space Dinosaurs, yeah. We have definitely spoken. We have discussed that. The techno comics universe. Yeah. Leonard Nimoy wrote the Space Dinosaurs one. Space Dinosaurs, yeah.

We have definitely spoken about that one. Neil Gaiman's steampunk butler robot man. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I said the next part was average comic book news. It's fine. Which is what I said, I guess.

Morbius the Living Vampire is going to get a, looks like a comic book movie at Sony, who own the rights to that character. Why not, hey? Yeah, exactly. What do they have left do you think do you think they've got all the spider-man spin-off characters i'm curious but that's the thing i'm curious as to why they've picked this one in particular because vampires they're not even hot right now yeah you're right you know what they need what's that a wolf with hands that'd be so good like you're in a fight with a wolf and then he just starts choking you or just punching you. But also you can have a superhero character who is a wolf.

And then, but then there'd be the, you know, the moment, you know, like in like, remember an age of Ultron where like everything's falling to pieces and they're like, oh no, we're doomed or whatever. And then Scarlet Witch comes out the door and she's like, she's using her powers. She's joined the team. What you want is you want a dude in a burning building, right? And he can't be saved. And he looks at the card and says, what does it say?

Wolf have no hands. And he's like, oh, I'm doomed. But then suddenly the door handle is turned and the door opens and there's Wolf with hands. And just slings him over his shoulder. Yeah, that's right. And he's out of there. Yeah.

Leads him by the hand out of the burning building. What were we talking about? I've forgotten. Morbius. Morbius. Interesting character. Do you think? Yeah.

Subwhat? I mean, he's not a real vampire. No, he's a living vampire. It is a science experiment gone wrong. And his name's Michael Morbius. Yeah. So that's fun. That's fun.

So do you think that they have gone okay we don't know if vampire do you think they they sort of chart the life cycle of various yeah like ideas exclusively do things via spread spreadsheets yeah so maybe they're like okay listen vampires have fallen out of vogue yeah like the dark universe failed we're in a we're in a tailspin here but vampires aren't going to come back till like 2030 sure like they're not going to be cool till 2030 so do we wait till it's 2030 or do we just throw caution in the wind we just put it out now that could potentially i think that's maybe maybe they're seeing a gap in the market they're thinking nobody's doing vampire movies oh yeah subvert the genre we're gonna bloody flip it on its head this ain't your daddy's morbius michael morbius the living vampire

it's a cool version we're not gonna we're not gonna give him the the red disco collar no yeah he's gonna have a alt-right haircut instead what a world but yeah i i it's i think he's an okay character i don't know whether yes yeah we. Yeah, we'll see how Venom goes. Yeah. Because I think they're just building this universe of anti-heroes, it seems. So that's what this is, yeah. I remember how we said Lord of the Rings was getting a TV series. You think they're putting together some kind of suicide squad?

Yeah, probably. Great. Almost certainly. Terrific. That was a fun movie, wasn't it? No. It's like that universe goes from strength to strength. That's what I like about it.

No. Like every time we get news or every time a movie comes out, things get boosted in a big way. Box office numbers exceed expectations. No. No? Disagree. Okay.

What do you ask? No reason. I just want to talk about Lord of the Rings. Oh, yeah. Lord of the Rings, the television series, will go ahead, but it's going to precede the events of the films. So a prequel to the prequel. Unless it's set between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.

Yeah. Yeah, fine. Where's the Silmarillion set again? Is that in the past? I think it's set in Who Gives a Fuck? Oh, mate! Now that's controversial. Do you think anything

other than that? I should read the Silmarillion. People say that's the best one. You haven't read the other ones either. No, it's true. But they say it's the best one. I have read The Hobbit. I've heard it's boring also.

Great then. Yeah. What do you think they're going to do with this? Do you think it's time for with this do you think they're do you think it's time for original content in the how much original content is there in the in the there's quite a lot there's quite a lot yeah is it out of copyright no it's the tolkien estate has it okay right yeah yeah but they just let people do whatever they want to want well not

anybody okay i mean amazon in this case uh so okay but is there are there original novels set in that universe that are officially licensed i think some of them were finished by his son but i think that's six i say right okay right so maybe it's time for original hobbit content yeah i mean they can because if it's if it's a tv series they can do whatever i mean it's like shadow of war like yeah right it's not it's sort of set in the continuity but it's takes a lot of liberties and there's a lot of our dwarf what are they called orcs that are like I see you again

you play that game right sure right whereas in the movies and the books orcs had notoriously short memories they're like who are you again are we friends? Ah! An axe in my face.

Yeah. I haven't played that second game yet. Because I've heard it's just... You're too busy with Battlefront 2. I'm done with Battlefront 2. Oh, well. Yeah. Man.

Anyway. Actually, I'm going on Filthy Casual this week. I'm going to talk about it. I'd like to get into it, but I won't repeat myself. Also, I don't really know what I'm going to say. I'm just going to... You're going to go off script. I'm going to go...

We also talk about a gamey game game at great length. Mason, you know how Fantastic Beasts is getting a sequel? There's something Grindelwald something. Yeah, the first one was called Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. This one's called Fantastic Beasts, The Crimes crimes of grindelwald that didn't seem like too they did not think through the the main title to these films they're going to be called like fantastic beasts something irrelevant like yeah after uh-huh yeah come on they could just call it harry potter universe i think they would get more they would get more money yeah definitely uh what could they call it i'm trying to think think that would get more money, surely, right? Yeah, definitely.

What could they call it? I'm trying to think. I don't know. But they're shoehorning in... Fantastic Beasts. Pretend Johnny Depp isn't the main character in this. What have they done? Unless it's young Grindelwald.

It is young Grindelwald and it is Johnny Depp. They released a picture and young Dumbledore is... What's his name? Jude Law and he looks great. Okay. You know what I watched the other day?

Does he have a beard? Yeah. Okay. I watched Alfie the other day, the Jude Law version. I remember that, yeah. Yeah. More depressing than I remember it being. It's like 10 minutes of him being a lad about town.

Yeah. And then it's like an hour and a half of him going. Yeah, right. So. I'll be low forever and my balls don't work. Is that what happened in that movie pretty much

yeah yeah but uh yeah I liked the last one the only thing I don't like about this is Johnny Depp they should have

kept Colin Farrell yeah right because he was good and sinister and he does the haircut better and there's nothing thus far

that is uh very problematic about him. Yeah, correct. Thus far. Thus far. I've decided we should institute a new segment on the show because if we have to keep addressing this every week, it's going to be a real nightmare. Yeah.

So I've decided to create an intimate new segment called Who Are We Going to Put in the Bin This Week? Okay. Louis CK. We missed him last week. He's going in the bin. Which is a shame because I like a lot of his work. Yeah, me too. But he's going in the bin. There we Okay. Louis CK, we missed him last week. He's going in the bin, which is a shame because I like a lot of his work. Yeah, me too.

But he's going in the bin. There we go. Segment's over. Someone else is probably in the bin. Al Franken, Senator Al Franken is going in the bin. That's fine. Okay. Wow.

All right. Yeah. That's disappointing. Anyway, they're all going in the bin. That's a big-ass bin. Yeah. We're going to need a bigger bin. Or it's a real small bit and they're just wedged

it's one of those smart bins that compacts down oh excellent so it's gonna need to do a lot of compacting yeah very good uh anyway yeah i'll i am i'll see another one yeah yeah i don't want to if depp's involved no but i like fan i like the last fantastic because it was adults in the harry potter universe who seem to know what they're doing, which I appreciate much more. Yeah, and I liked Eddie Redmayne in it as well. Me too. I didn't think I would, but I loved his case.

When he goes into his case, it's got a little magical world in there. I loved his waistcoat. Oh. Yes. It's very Doctor Who, that whole get-up. Yeah, it sure is. There's a Deadpool 2 trailer.

We've actually done a trailer breakdown, Mason. I'm not sure if it's up just yet. Ben's working on it at the moment, but it'll be up soon. Some of the YouTubes. We've actually done a trailer breakdown, Mason. I'm not sure if it's up just yet. Ben's working on it at the moment, but it'll be up soon. Some of the YouTubes. We talk about it there. In summary, Mason, he gives, Mason gives it a 7 out of 10, and I give it a 100 out of 110.

Seems about the same. Is it? I can't do the maths in my head. It was fine. You've assumed that based on our reactions to it earlier. I thought it was fun. Yeah, I know. Again, if you don't know who Bob Ross is, some of it might be wasted on you.

Mason also may have uncovered a little secret about the villain. That's right. A thing that everybody, including me, have missed potentially. But also that everybody already knew, I think. Oh, maybe, yeah. Weren't there news articles about it? There was, but I don't think anybody pointed it out. Look, I don't watch other trailer breakdowns. Yeah, but there's a moment where he's... Don't spoil it, Mason. Oh, we, yeah. Weren't there news articles about it? There was, but I don't think anybody pointed it out. Look, I don't watch other trailer breakdowns.

Yeah, but there's a moment where he's... Don't spoil it, Mason. Oh, we're saving it for the video. Save it for the video. Oh, okay, right. I think last time we saved it for the video, people were like, why didn't you talk about the trailer?

Fine, say it. I don't give a fuck. All right. Anyway, in the trailer, he's Bob Rossing about and he's got his beautiful mountain landscape or what have you, and then he looks back and there's a big red blob on him. He's like, oh, and he drops his paints. And I saw in the Rorschach blob of that,

I thought that that was maybe the big villain of the movie. Anyway, it looks fun, and I think they're going to have more. I don't think the novelty is going to run out. I hope not. Just because Ryan Reynolds is Ryan Reynolds. You have trouble with saying Ryan Reynolds. He's a gosh darned charming treasure. Would you say he's a Canadian legend?

Yes. Okay. Super Mario Brothers is getting an animated movie by Illumination Studio, who did Despicable Me, Secret Life of Pets, and Sing, all of which are probably fine movies. I remember liking Despicable Me. Didn't see Secret Life of Pets because I looked shit. And Sing.

I don't want to watch a show about a koala running a fucking singing competition. No thank you, Mason. Is he a koala with an Australian accent? Yes. Oh, maybe not. I don't know. It's Matthew McConaughey, the koala. Oh, boy.

But it's like, what if you're a pig and you're at home, but you want to be a singer? What if that, Mason? Can you're at home, but you want to be a singer? What if that, Mason? Can you imagine? I cannot imagine that. That's why we have to see it. Yeah, it's a bit of a leap of faith. No, not a leap of faith.

A stretch of... Armstrong. It's a stretch of Armstrong. A stretch of Armstrong, yeah. But what do you think of that? I mean, they've been notorious. Nintendo have been notoriously tight-fisted. Yeah, all we've had is that weird cartoon in the 80s or 90s

or whatever it was. Do you remember that? I remember that. And it had some live-action bits in it. Yeah, it had that actor die, the guy's name's Mario. Lou Ferrigno. But yeah. But bloody hell.

And, of course, the wonderful Super Mario Brothers movie so this is it's actually happening I'm not sure it's the best studio to do it but why not is this going to be in the classic style of

like modern Mario where his little body and big head yeah I think so I think they'll probably do whatever the latest Mario Odyssey I think they'll just do

that kind of look okay do you think it will break the video game curse no what if they wreck it Ralph it still no what if they ramp curse? No. What if they wreck at Ralford? Still no.

What if they rampage it? Absolutely not. What if they assassins creed it? Definitely not. What if Warcraft? Unless it's got a Kanye track like that. I still haven't watched that. Neither have I.

Is that on Netflix? No. Then I can't watch it. Yeah. Great. All right. Before we get into our Justice League talk, Mason, we've got to get into some Batman rumours.

Oh, yeah. Some Bat rumours. Oh, Schrodinger's Batman. He's back. Is he in or is he out? He's back or he's not back. Who knows? So, reportedly, Ben Affleck could be recast as the Batman

with Jake Gyllenhaal stepping into the role. He's even mentioned in an interview that he's looking for a graceful way to exit a cool way or he said he should say i'm looking for a way to quit yeah that's probably what he should have said yeah uh and the idea is that it's going to be that in the follow-up film with uh directed by matt reeves who's done the apes two of the apes movies that it will be a follow-up sorry and there'll be less emphasis on age so it's just like batman's jake gillenholly he's 35 right okay yeah so which i think is probably it's i wouldn't mind doing a swap out for nightwing i think that would be interesting same yeah but i also understand why because i

think immediately when they cast ben affleck i think ben affleck was fine as batman i think he's good as batman except in justice league where he's not very good in a lot of it. And he doesn't want to be there. And he clearly doesn't want to be there. But I think they painted themselves into a corner in a way by making him as old as he is. Yeah, true. I think they've limited the character and they've limited the universe. In some ways it makes it more interesting,

but they could have done 10 years in as opposed to 20. Yeah, I mean, it makes it interesting. And they needed a point of difference for marvel and they were like why not make it a well-established universe and i think that's interesting and in fact for you know for people who uh are big comic book fans i thought that is a really good way to go you know it's because we don't you know we don't necessarily need to see all the origins of all the characters if we know them already we don't you know it'd be fun to see sometimes but also give us something new you know sometimes i get sick of constant reboots and constant well let's keep it at the status quo forever yeah right so it would have

been nice to see in the movies just to have them go yeah you know what batman's gonna quit nightwing's gonna take over but also i think they could do that and for the most part nobody would notice just swap him out no no one would notice. No, I think if they had a scene in the next thing where he retires and then Jake Gyllenhaal, who is Nightwing, takes over, I think by the next one, people would have forgotten. Just dress him in somewhat similar clothing

and have him live in Wayne Manor and have... Alfred B. Bartlett. And Ben Affleck goes to live in a remote mountain hideaway or something, nobody would notice any, like people would forget instantly. I also understand why he would want out because though people haven't been criticizing him, this universe has copped a lot of flack and he's in this universe. He's done three films now and they have been critically panned in a massive

way. And the fan response has been mixed. So he doesn't need the been mixed so he doesn't need the money clearly he doesn't need the headache of every interview he's in forever people asking about this universe that he hates yeah exactly he's not he's clearly not going to direct he's not directing the batman yeah he's been there's been rumors about him leaving for like a year he might still do it yeah he could very well i think also he's out of contract I just don't see why he would do it he's been in since what

he's been in for like 5 years or something I think they announced it in I want to say 2014 right okay yeah so it's been a while yeah but

he seems burnt and also a lot of things have happened in his personal life that he's probably you know that's taken its toll on him as well then there's also been some allegations which he also addressed recently yeah i just think i don't think he's gonna do it i mean he might yeah what do you think uh no he wants out yeah i think he's out what can i possibly offer him 50 million dollars they could offer him that that's true they could offer him even more than that. Yeah.

I don't want to say definitively, but it's not looking... Yeah. I would rather him come back and hand it over. Yeah. I think that would be better. I mean, would they be willing to give him $50 million to be bored Batman? Phoning it in Batman? I don't think they would.

That's exactly right. I just... It seems taxing being in this being in this universe like whether you're a director or a producer or an actor unless you're unless you're wonder woman or aquaman who just seems like he's having a fucking blast right i think i think it seems taxing like the scrutiny that these films come under yeah true so and he's kind of you know he's the main star. So, yeah. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies

on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. All right, Mason. Justice League. Bloody Justice League. Do you mind if I start with some box office numbers? Please.

I got the sense. Yeah. I went on a Friday night at 9.15 and there were 10 people in the audience. And that's not including the four people you brought. I didn't bring anyone. It's not including them, I said. Oh, okay, great. It certainly isn't.

But yeah, so it was supposed to open in the US anywhere between like $110 and $130 million. I think Thor Ragnarok did 124, 134. It ended up at 96, which is not good. No. I think I said that it would definitely crack 100, even if it's bad. The first Justice League movie didn't make $100 million. And if you look at the numbers,

Batman v Superman first week, 166. Suicide Squad's like 133. I think Man of Steel did 128. And Wonder Woman did, I think, 111. The Justice League movie did the worst of all the films. That's crazy. But it's completely understandable. Yeah, it is.

Notwithstanding whatever the quality of the movie is that we'll talk about in a moment, the fact that we've been burned so many times as audiences by this franchise. Yes. Completely understandable. It's a similar vein to like, well, maybe the next Transformers movie will be good

because it's got a different director and different producers and what have you and they're going to take a different stab at it. People aren't going to see it because they've been burned so many times. They're just like, actually, maybe I won't. Yeah. That's exactly it.

It did better internationally. Okay. So the thing about this is, though, reportedly it cost $300 million to make because of reshoots, which we'll talk about. And for the way it looks, that's inexcusable. Oh, boy. Yeah. But, I mean, some of the shots look...

One of the shots look, it's. One of the shots looks good. There's wild fluctuations in terms of special effects quality. And I don't think that's down to the special effects for Epoch. I mean, anyway, we'll talk about it. And also critics don't really like it. But at the same time, again, we talked about it last week, the critics reviews were very positive.

Rotten Tomatoes held off on releasing the score, which is poor form. Like I don't positive. Rotten Tomatoes held off on releasing the score, which is poor form. Like I don't rail against Rotten Tomatoes because they're an aggregate, but when they hold back the score and also Warner Brothers have a stake in that company. And also it looks like- Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah.

You probably mentioned it multiple times, but I did not know. And the fact that they held it back so they've got this Rotten Tomatoes web show where they go through some of the reviews and be like, hey, what's going on? It's a hot box office topic and whatever.

And then at the end they're like, 42% or whatever. No one gives a shit about this. I understand you want to have a web show, but don't hold the scores hostage. And also after that came out, they still held the score for like a day. So that's not cool. Anyway, it didn't help, did it? No.

Because it's still, I just think that's. Also, in many ways, if you watched a movie that you think is bad, you don't need Rotten Tomatoes. You don't text your friend and go, hey, check out Rotten Tomatoes. The score is bad. You text them and go, I watched a movie and it was bad.

And then they go, oh, cool. I was thinking about seeing it, but I guess I won't now. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so we're going to go non-spoilers, then spoilers. I'll time code it in the bottom. Doesn't really matter if you haven't seen it. You could probably just listen to all of this. There's not really any surprises in this movie?

I liked one of the post-credit scenes. Okay. But it's inconsequential. Well, there are surprises in terms of this makes an appearance. Okay. But it's inconsequential. Well, there's no... There are surprises in terms of this makes an appearance. Yeah. But there's no surprises in terms of plot.

Imagine what the plot of the Justice League... Based on the previous movies, imagine what the plot of the Justice League movie is. It's that. Yes. Have you seen any of the trailers?

It's that. Yes, correct. There's no twists, really. There's zero turns. There's zero turns. Now, this is not a well-made film or coherent, and it's mostly not acted very well the cgi is bad some characterizations i liked but a lot i didn't but i i had fun in this

film that's interesting yeah i thought it was very kind of i don't know i think i just like the positive vibe of it vibe but i think the superman parts you mean the plasticky vibe of it positive vibe of it vibe but i think the superman parts do you mean the plasticky vibe of it yeah sure do you mean the floaty surreal vibe that's not the thing i don't i don't know what it is we'll get into it but you obviously hated it i hated it yeah just to be clear i think it's i think it's as bad if not worse than batman v superman wow and i went in i didn't watch your review yep i didn't read any reviews but i did see assorted headlines and i think i saw an exactly equal mix of this is great this is bad this is a mess this is fine etc yeah so i think i went in like i this could go any particular way and it was bad i mean the opening

scene is bad is very bad like from a we can spoil the opening scene, right? I think so. Yeah. And I, a lot of people have, a lot of people have said to me, oh my God, not, they haven't said to me,

nobody speaks to me, but people on Twitter have said, oh my God, it's just like the comic books. This is gentlemen's. Well, it's, it,

this is just out. This is like out of the new 52. Yeah. I'm like, nobody liked the new 52. I liked the Justice League new 52. Yeah. I didn't like the version of Superman so much.

But yeah, I liked that story, the initial run. Yeah. Sorry. No, that's all right. What were we talking about? The first scene. But yeah, so the first scene, I guess this is a minor spoiler, but it's cell phone footage of Superman in a very bright blue suit.

I was thinking of something else. I'd forgotten. Okay. And it's a kid interviewing for a podcast. Yep. And he's holding his interviewing for a podcast. Yep. And he's holding his phone in portrait mode. Which is very irritating. And it's Superman talking about the S on his chest and how it means hope, but also it means

a river or whatever the fuck. And his face has clearly been digitally altered to remove his mustache. And it looks horrendous. Quick side note, if nobody knows the backstory to this, they filmed Justice League, then he was cast as the villain in Mission Impossible 6 where he grew a moustache for that. Then they had to do reshoots on Justice League, but the Paramount contract said that he had to have a moustache at all times

so you cannot shave the moustache. And then presumably Warner Brothers lawyers went, he will absolutely shave the moustache. And then there was a protracted legal battle, assume between two lawyers that hated each other and so the actual solution was to spend literally millions of dollars to digitally remove his mustache yes and it's very noticeable not all the time but certainly at the start when they and when they have done it you'd notice yeah i would say yeah i think there's two scenes in particular that stood out for me yeah yeah and it's it's so close you know they could have done for that cell phone footage because it's a kid yeah interviewing superman

the first but you kind of the kid's holding it and is excited and it moves around and when he settles the camera it's just on his chest yeah and so you just have the conversation like that that'd be fun so and that so it's like oh the kid it's a kid so yeah right he's so excited he does it you know yeah and he's just meeting super Superman. I think there are ways they could have handled that. So from out the gate, I'm just like, oof. Here's the thing, also out the gate. Now, a lot of people have said of this movie that this is the best characterization of Superman we've seen yet,

and I think that might be true towards the end, but at the start he just seems irritated at this kid. When I think of Superman, I think of a character, you know, the world's falling apart and he's run off his feet and he's got to keep saving the world over and over and over again. He's got no time to himself, but he always has time for someone kind of thing. And he'd be, you know, a little bit bemused,

but he'd be happy to answer all these questions. He just seemed kind of irritated that this kid was asking dumb questions. He seemed kind of a little bit over it and kind of impatient. Well, that's this character. Yeah, and I'm like, this isn't. Yeah. No, I didn't get that sense. Okay.

But I think also straight away you get the sense that they're trying to course correct in this film. Yes. Like you can't go back and say, oh, no, Superman's a beacon of hope and everyone loved him or whatever. You showed in the previous film that that was clearly not the case because half the planet hated him and thought he was a monster. That's the plot point of Batman-Superman.

He has to go to court because of all the buildings he accidentally locked down. And there's no missing time in which to go, okay, well, actually, in between this movie in this movie he saved a whole bunch of people and the world was you know the world the world's opinion was changed because he was killed there's literally no time and i think i said this a few weeks ago i bet that they're just going to pretend a lot of the stuff in batman superman happened differently to the way it actually happened that's and they really have yeah i mean even the characterization of batman like he doesn't kill yep uh well we killed bugs which is fine because he you know the comic book version i mean they're dead already but as far as

he knows yeah well that's who knows it's up in the air but even like his attitude towards superman i mean it did shift at the end of batman v superman but even though he's the major plot point of this is they want to try and get superman back and he's the one who's bang up for it yeah he should be the one least up for it yeah because he knows how dangerous he is because i just think he would also understand the ramifications of bringing somebody back from the dead because he's been fucking bat Batman for 20 years and he's probably seen that. He's probably seen, you would assume he's seen like Ra's al Ghul or Solomon Grundy or somebody who's come back and become a murderous lunatic,

an indestructible murderous lunatic. He's also had a vision of the future with an evil Superman. How did, how did Superman become evil? Maybe he was brought back to life and he didn't particularly enjoy that and also his henchmen were a whole bunch of weird mosquito parademon creatures correct this is the worst idea you've ever had batman but no and he even but he even he even uses the same language he used it's like he got hit in the

head and his personality did get hit i mean he had hit the head so many times but his personality got reversed and then he's just like if there's even a tiny chance that superman can save us we should bring him back from the dead the guy same guy who said if there's even a one percent chance that he's going to be we should kill him and murder him yeah i mean there's a one percent chance that anybody can murder anybody that's you know what i mean? Oh, God. Yeah, there is. It's weird because they, I like. James, look, I don't want to be the one to say it, but you should probably ask the question.

Oh, sorry. Ask the question. Oh, my God. I can't believe I forgot. For the purposes of this, ask the question. I'm just going to put in my Melbourne is all in lanyard. Oh, he's got a lanyard. Did you get any swag?

I got a swag. I got a Melbourne is all in lanyard. He's got a lanyard. Did you get any swag? I got a swag. I got a Wonder Woman Funko Pop. Great. A packet of Pringles. Oh, because they're themed, right? They're sponsored. I don't know if mine were. What flavor did you get?

I don't know. I threw them out. Wow. You didn't get Batman barbecue? I might have. You didn't get Aquaman sea salt? No, I might have. They were red.

What's red? that's original yeah so it would have been superman bland i love superman i don't i don't mean that but yeah i actually got two because when i went up they said you've got a friend coming because but you you had to work yeah so i went yes and i took it because i was gonna make you wear it but then i just found out that claire threw it in the bin and i went out to the bin to try and find it. Oh, you were going to make me wear it during the podcast. Or at least attempt for you to wear it. Wow. It says Melbourne is all in, Mason.

Yeah, right. Okay. You know what I love about these things? And this was very much the case. The person who gets up and explains the movie at the start, it's like they've never seen a movie before. Yeah, right. They're reading off their phone.

They're like, welcome to, she said snack snyder justice league film the the fifth film it's a comic book world and maybe she'd suffered some sort of personal tragedy immediately beforehand look all you get up and say you say thanks for coming uh to the justice league premiere um we really hope you enjoy the film don't spoil anything don't spoil anything when you leave if um also they always say we have night vision cameras yeah right i've never seen they never do it's a lie also maybe she got hit in the head and reversed her personality maybe she was the most incredible uh warner brothers spokesman ever she got hit in the head on the way in and now she's's like, oh, I don't know.

Anyway, get the question out of the way. Anyway, I should do it. I'll do it for all of their films. You don't even have to pay me. I'll do it. Yeah, right. Mason, what do you think the story was? Oh, no.

You've asked me the question, and I wasn't prepared for it. Hang on. I'll have to do it. I can't believe of all films. This is not what I'm going to ask you. But Superman's dead, and everyone's sad for some reason, even though he's a menace. and then batman saw a vision of the future in which in which superman was gonna kill everyone probably and destroy the world so he's like we're gonna get the team

together and fix we'll get a team of superheroes uh all right then his mother box they're gonna find the mother boxes anyway that's the plot of the movie. Yeah, absolutely it is, yeah. So they get together an Aquaman. They get together the Flash who runs like a man who's never run before in his life. Maybe he was hit in the head and his personality changed. It's pretty possible. Maybe he was a decathlon runner and he was hit in the head. They get a Wonder Woman who's great.

She's pretty good. Yeah, and they got Cyborg who's fine, but there's plot points for that character that don't pay off at all. He's got half a plot arc. That's more than most characters in this movie. And he has been hit in the head. Yeah, that's true. Definitively.

Yeah. Very hard. Okay, what did you think about the additional characters to the Justice League? I mean, we've already seen these characters fleshed out in Batman v Superman in that email. It's not like you weren't familiar with them, Mason. That's very true. But what did you think about this?

Like the introduction of these characters? A lot of people are mixed on Barry Allen. I was okay with him. Hated him. Okay. Yeah.

Why? He's too comic relief-y. Right. They've gone too far the other way. They tried to course correct too far, I think. Yeah, yeah.

I think he was always supposed to be that, like even before they started. Because this started filming directly after Batman Superman. Yeah. So the script was done and then they were like, oh, no, oh, no. So, but I think he was always supposed to be that. Yeah.

It's like, you know, he's like us, but he's in the Justice League. He gets to ask all the questions and see the bat signal and be like, hey, look, it's your signal. It's your bat signal. Wouldn't you think that this character, if he gained incredible speed, wouldn't he also be the kind of guy who would learn how to run most efficiently?

Yes. Like he would go to YouTube probably and look at efficient running methods and he would do that, but he didn't. He would also just do laps of the world until he got it right. He trips maybe four times yeah yeah i mean he's going fast sure but he shouldn't trip as but also it's clear when he's

running that everything is in slow motion for him yeah but he still trips that's fun isn't it yeah it's like it'd be like if you're walking slowly down the street and you trip and you trip i mean that happens but it doesn't happen four times in the space of the day right yeah so i thought he was fine uh so i'm just writing something down for later in the spoilers what do we got here he's a little bit bazinga but other than that yeah he is people have said that people said he's like he's sheldon they've just made I don't watch that show but that's a pretty crippling insult I should yeah Cyborg I liked

because he's kind of like he sees himself as this a man who should be dead because he did essentially die and his dad rebuilt him with a mother box also I thought there was going to be a plot point

where he was a mother box yeah briefly I saw that as well but yeah I didn't even mention that maybe that's reshoots yeah it's possible yeah I thought that as well but yeah I didn't even mention that maybe that's reshoots yeah it's possible yeah

I thought it was good yeah for sure I don't like the design like I settled on it and I don't like it

too much okay it's a bit that's okay I do like it so there you go there's something I liked about this movie

a design choice yeah who else was in it what do you think Aquaman I was also going to say I don't I do like it. So there you go. There's something I liked about this movie. A design choice. Yeah. Who else was in it? What do you think of Aquaman? I was also going to say, the Flash in this movie has a better costume design than the version in the TV show. I agree with that.

But it is wasted. He's always slouching and creeping and he's putting his little claws out. That's gross. Skittering about. And if he knew how to run, the suit would look incredible. Yeah. Is that a deliberate character choice?

It's terrible. Yeah, it's no good. It's really evident at the end when you see him. He's got a big loping run. Yeah, he just hurls his arms forward. That's not how you run. No, it's a man who's never run. You hurl your legs forward.

You hurl your legs forward. You go legs first. Everybody knows that. Heel, you don't no it's something that's walking in heels that's walking in heels but yeah i i don't think i don't know whether it's a choice that they made yeah but i it seems like esra miller has never run before yeah and you think you pick somebody who can run sure or. Or in giving them whatever months of physical training you give them for a movie like this, you show them how to run. Yeah. I hated it.

Weird. Yeah. Real weird. I think what this review is going to be- Why is he on the team? Surely there's another super speedster in this- In the last 20 years, surely there's another one. Also, it's weird that-

Jay Garrick, he's a better Flash. He is. Nobody seems to know who anybody else is either like superman batman turns up to the flash's house and he goes i know you've got powers but i don't know what they are you saw a video of him moving at super speed there's a suit that you that you've you see standing in his room that you said it's it's that you said it's heat resistance. You're the world's greatest detective. You're the world's greatest detective. Figure it out. Yeah, exactly.

And also, if you don't know what his powers are, why did you throw a batarang in his head? Right? Yeah, that's true. What are you doing? Yeah. I had fun with it. Maybe he can blink from place to place unless there's metal approaching him at significant speed. That's it.

That's it. But I just thought that was so strange. Like when he goes to see Aquaman. So it's a very sharp batarang. It's a very sharp batarang. Like Aquaman. And they're all outing each other all the time. Okay.

So. Wait, are we in spoilers yet? Okay. I'll wait. I'll wait. I'm going to write that down. Okay. Anyway, this movie is clunky.

What are we getting up to? You know what is a good action sequence? Yes. There's a bit where Steppenwolf, who's a bad villain, goes to Themyscira. Yeah. And there's a chase sequence. It's a chase sequence without a point.

We'll get to that in spoilers. But you didn't think it was visually spectacular? I think it was visually quite interesting, yeah. It was easily the best action sequence. He punches some horses. That's fun. He punches some horses. That's fun. That's some horses. Finally,

what's the, what the DC universe has been missing. Oh, some good old horse punching. Did you think this movie was funny at all? Uh, I think it would have been funny if they hadn't put basically every joke in the trailers.

Yeah. There was a lot of that. Yeah. I think Superman had some good lines. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah.

But I think if the flash and Bruce Wayne had gotten into the car and The Flash had said, what are your superpowers again? And he'd said, I'm rich. And I hadn't seen that. I would have thought that was funny. But you have seen it. You saw that last July. Yeah, I saw that last July.

Not last July of this year. Yeah, the previous year. Yeah, I think that would have been funny. And you would have been like, oh, he's already exasperated with this kid. Yeah. That would have been a funny little turn. But again, we saw it months, years ago. We saw it in another lifetime.

In lifetimes gone by. Seasons change. Yeah, exactly. And it wasn't surprising. I knew that was going to happen. Yeah. You know? And to some extent, I shouldn't, you know,

I shouldn't be criticizing a movie for going in and saying i wasn't surprised by a thing you know but at the same time we are bombarded by these trailers you're trying to get people in the cinema with these trailers don't give us everything in the movie first because maybe people won't see your movie yeah it's very possible did you know i thought ben affleck bless him looked very bored and very out of shape oh for sure scene to scene because clearly i mean hollywood out of shape hollywood exactly someone wrote in this giuseppe wrote uh more importantly than duck but was how i do the voice just said more importantly the duck butt that was how ben affleck looks as a 1940s fit body,

aka fat. Big suit for a wide man club, he's saying. I don't think he's fat. No. But if you look at him compared to the previous film, he clearly has not kept up any kind of fitness regime. Yeah, right. There's a bit where I think he's supposed to be shirtless

where Wonder Woman pops his shoulder back in after a fight. Yeah, right. But he's wearing a padded kind of workout top yeah he's got muscles on it he's wearing an under layer yeah like for a regular man he's fit yeah but for a guy who's batman he he looks soft and and also didn't you say that this this they started filming this immediately after just after batman superman yeah i think what happened is they went he went into the post movie because i assume most i assume every superhero except probably chris hemsworth goes into an immediate movie's over i don't have to just shred all the time yeah i can eat something other than grilled

chicken and broccoli yeah i'm gonna eat some cheeseburgers and then you just collapse for a couple of months he's gonna smash cans and punch darts mate that's what he's gonna be doing yeah that's right. But I think he just went into that. And then he had the realization a week later and he's like, you know what? I'm not going to do it. Who cares? I mean, it's not like we haven't,

we've had a history of unripped Batmans. Yeah, that's true. But I think we've also got to the point where it's kind of, it's expected that you have to be ripped and it's odd when they're not. Yeah, right. Which is probably unfair. Oh, for sure. But that's the- Especially because, and it's odd when they're not. Yeah, right. Which is probably unfair. Oh, for sure. Especially because you can just put the padded suit on.

Keaton wasn't ripped, but you couldn't tell. Yes, she could. When he was wearing a turtleneck. I guess that's true. You could tell. But I just thought also... The roll of his chin came over the neck. Pulsating out.

No, he was trim. He was trim, but he wasn't. He clearly hadn't done a push-up. But I think, again, back in that era, you would just trim and then they put the suit over you exactly like robocop like robocop yeah i just think also there were no good batman action sequences no hand to hand he wasn't great like i would like to see batman tear through 10 parademons yeah because he can because they're not i mean they're strong but they're not that much stronger than him and he knows where to hit somebody yeah like you see him pull off arms and yeah and things like that i think there was some choreography stolen from avengers well it's an avengers

director sort of yeah i guess so but i mean there's a there's a there's a particular move captain america does a couple of times in avengers and and Batman just uses it also there's a bit where he Captain America he like shields off a uh uh Chitauri arm yeah with the blaster in it and he grabs the blaster he pulls the severed arm out and he starts shooting with it ah okay that's in that's in this yeah it's exactly the same classic Batman with a gun yeah but it's just a lot of Batman running about or running away and then he gets into a vehicle and then he crashes that vehicle right and also none of it looks real no literally none of this move there's there's maybe one scene i think maybe i think there's more than one scene no there's only one scene in this movie it looked terrible there's there's one scene i think maybe

it's on themyscira or something where it looks like it's a real set in this movie and it looked terrible. There's one scene, I think maybe it's on Themyscira or something, where it looks like it's a real set, but none of this looked like a real set. At no point. There's bits in Gotham, there's bits in Metropolis. None of it, to me, looked real. The opening sequence, which is set on a rooftop, looks like a set from the TV show Gotham. Yeah.

It looks like a green-screened set and I can't buy into it. No. I don't understand. Say what you will about Batman, Superman or Suicide Squad Mason. A lot of those movies. Bad and bad. A lot of those movies, except for the CGI villain covered in fire and smoke, are set in real streets and real locations.

And Wonder Woman, even though it was a period piece. They went to the Greek islands or they built a real trench. Or a real, you know, cobblestone bloody horse. They built a cobblestone horse, but none of this is real. Maybe some of it is real, but it doesn't look real. I think a lot of the non-real stuff is a result of reshoots. Yeah, right. Some of the exposition, like he goes to a village and meets Aquaman,

that's clearly a real village and location. That's what I'm thinking of, yeah. Oh, that's the same. Yeah. But yeah, no, I agree. I agree. I don't understand why this... You know what I think's happened here?

$300 million. $300 million, yeah. So cheap. Deadpool, what did Deadpool cost? Like $60 or $70? $60 million, right? That, everything about that looks real because they used a real, presumably, maybe they built it, but they had a real stretch of highway.

They did, yeah. They had a real. They also, a lot of Deadpool in that is CGI. Yeah. But you don't notice it because they spent a majority of the money on the things that count and they budgeted wisely. This is just a fucking blowout disaster. Is the case of like, this is the tentpole movie.

Give us all the money you have. We're going to get the best catering. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Ben Affleck wants the best catering. Yeah. You know what it is? I think the reason this movie feels weird and is not great,

even though I liked it, Mason, was that this is still a hangover from the snyder films yeah the tone that was set in man of steel is wrong for what this should be and ever since then they've kind of stuck with it and then they went you know what people hate it and they shifted and it's all wrong from the start and that's why this doesn't work that's why people didn't turn up well people did the 96 million is still a lot of money obviously and that's and that's why people are sick of these films because they shouldn't have started with snyder yeah they

should have gone in a different direction initially when you're five movies in i looked at it i looked at the marvel films the fifth one i, I think, was Captain America. And all those phase one movies aren't good. I don't like Iron Man 2. I don't really like The Incredible Hulk. But a lot of people say, well, hey, look at, you know, they're just finding their feet. It's just, you know, Marvel phase one wasn't that great.

Yeah, but that was 2008. Exactly. If somebody made like a drama today and it looked like i don't know like a movie from the 30s and it was black and white and all in real long shots and it was just dull and poorly paced or whatever you wouldn't go oh it's this first movie he's just learning how to no you've got the entire history of cinema behind you yeah exactly you've got a decade of superhero movies of good superhero movies behind you you don't have to start from scratch you can just take cues from that and make better movies yep there's no excuse especially for five in yeah yeah like i don't even think there's a

consistent visual style for this world anymore like this doesn't look like the previous films that's true just i don't i i also think it's because of wonder woman as well because people liked wonder woman and they went and they tried to make this more like wonder woman but it was already something else yeah yeah i think i think it is a consistent movie but it doesn't feel like in the terms of it doesn't feel like anybody's movie yeah look i wouldn't if you said if you said to me this had two different directors, I wouldn't, for me it's not necessarily that jarring. It just doesn't feel like. It doesn't feel like anything.

Yeah. And I think that same goes for like even the score. Like the Danny Elfman score, it's got shades of the Batman 89, it's got shades of Superman, it's got shades of Han Zimmer, but it's nothing. And I don't normally notice scores, but I notice a score enough to go, this is not a good score. Yeah, right.

Yeah. Am I wrong there? No. And I think that was last minute as well because we know that it changed hands very late in the day. Yeah. So it's probably not his fault. Yeah.

Boy. Okay, what else? I had fun with it though. Did you really? I really did. I thought Jeremy Irons was good in it. Yeah, he's great. He's great.

Yeah. The villain was no good i think i mean and people always say like well marvel did the same thing with their villains yeah and people don't like it yeah is there people like oh no nobody ever could nobody ever cares about the marvel villains but no we mentioned it every time we mentioned it every time it's a constant problem with that yeah why are you making him a CGI villain? You could put a real man's face in that helmet and you just make him nine feet tall. It makes no sense.

Also, I thought from Darkseid, not Darkseid, I thought from Steppenwolf, I don't even know his fucking name. I thought from Steppenwolf that you'd get a sense of desperation because he had a crack at destroying Earth 5,000 years prior and he blew it. So clearly he was under the pump from dark side that he needed to he's got to make his kpis exactly get those key performance indicators got to make those quotas but i think because i read these things about like he's desperate

because this is his last chance to prove himself or something bad's going to happen to him but you didn't get that sense he was just a cackling idiot and there's a bit where he catches a missile and he's like there's a clip of it. And he's like, this is a primitive weapon or whatever. An hour ago, you were being shot at with arrows. Like, you didn't say anything. They're just pinging off you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But there was also an implication that that could kill him eventually. Yes. Which is weird. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. I mean, he didn't let it explode in his hands, did he? No. Yeah.

Also, look, it was a fun visual, but that probably has a proximity fuse on it, so it would have gone off anyway. Also, we'll get to that. What? Why are you firing a missile in an enclosed area under the Gotham Harbour? That's a really good question.

Or whatever it is, Metropolis Harbour, I don't know what it was. A cyborg did it? Yeah. The man who had the plans to the city in his mind. Yeah. That's a really good question. Or whatever it is, Metropolis Harbor. I don't know what it was. The cyborg did it? Yeah. The man who had the plans to the city in his mind. Yeah. That's interesting, isn't it? It's very interesting. Well, he does hate himself.

Yeah. Okay. What else is non-spoiler and bad in this movie? We can talk about it and then we can talk about all the plot holes and everything that's awful. Okay. Okay. You know what? You know what the problem with this film is, I think, for the long term?

It stinks. I had fun with it yeah i think that it's set it's a very even like even though like i said i had fun with it it's not a great film i think at best it's an okay film right and i think having mediocre comic book movies like this is dangerous for the genre. Oh, absolutely. Because people are going to stop going to everything. Because a lot of people don't distinguish between this and X-Men and Avengers and whatever. It's all just a superhero movie. Yeah. A lot of people think they're all set in the same universe.

Or none of them are set in the same universe. That's right. So if this is a surefire way by making movies like this for people not to go to these and this will eventually go away. Yeah. I read an interesting article by the guy who wrote dr strange which is fine it's better than this yeah but where he was saying no we want other comic book movies to succeed because it means we can make more comic movies and take more chances and introduce different characters and you know get bigger budgets or

whatever every everybody benefits from these movies doing well when wonder woman did well marvel probably went shit well then you know maybe there's other female characters we can introduce or whatever i mean they're already doing captain marvel they'll be like we'll finally do a black widow movie exactly and yeah like and a lot of people have been like well this was this first of all a lot of people are like well my expectations were absolutely in the toilet and so this was actually okay as a movie that's not how you should expect a movie to be you should expect a 300 million dollar movie to be good and secondly uh people like oh this isn't bad but it's a it's a good stepping stone and i'm looking forward to where they take these plot threads and to do them in the future again that's another thing i think

i said that that's it well there you go. I think it's another thing that people complain about a lot of these, you know, some of the early Marvel movies where they're like, this wasn't a movie. It was just a preview for the next movie. What a waste. Don't send people into the theaters for something that isn't a full movie. For me, it wasn't. Like, it still felt like a full movie to me.

Yeah. I thought in terms of the universe that they ham-fistedly established, I'm interested in now going back to as opposed to what it was. But maybe now it's too late. Maybe now it's diminishing returns for every movie. It's possible. Yeah. No, I think they're going to have to go obscure and weirder.

I don't know if the answer to this is to make another Batman film. Maybe they should rest Batman yeah you know maybe you make you make your Wonder Woman maybe you go with another Superman one maybe you make a Nightwing movie maybe make a Nightwing movie exactly I just think because bearing in mind with Batman

there was barely a gap before we saw him again yeah that's what killed Batman in the first place was they kept making Batman movies and they got worse and worse and people got sick of him so they benched him for eight years or whatever it was

maybe they need to do the same here yeah you got anything else there nah look it's um it's not good uh huh

but I'm bloody I'm gonna give it a best movie ever wow wow that's gonna come back to haunt you I don't care I'm gonna give it

worst movie ever but you liked it no yeah no I like very tiny elements of it oh yeah me too but that's not a movie I'm going to give it worst movie ever. But you liked it. No. Yeah. No. I like the very tiny elements of it. Yeah, me too.

But that's not a movie. I mean, it is a movie. From the strictest definition of a movie, I guess it was a movie. I guess that's true, yeah. Very good. I will say this again, but we'll probably do a commentary on it. That'll be the next time I watch it. Are you looking forward to that three-hour extended cut? Yeah, I am actually.

Wow. Just from the perspective of what is... There's already stuff that's leaked that was deleted from it. I'm doing a video on it for next week. But yeah, I want to know what else is in this. Purely from a... I don't know. People are campaigning for the Zack Snyder version.

People seem to forget so quickly. Like you hated the last two Zack Snyder films. Yeah, right. Do you really want to see the Zack Snyder version. Uh-huh. People seem to forget so quickly. Like, you hated the last two Zack Snyder films. Yeah, right. Like, do you really want to see a Zack Snyder? I mean, I do want to see it because I'm curious, but I don't want to see it because I think it'll be better. No. I'm more curious.

Spoilers? Yeah. All right, let's start from the start. Okay. Not the Superman, the next one. Batman's on the rooftop. There's a burglar. Yep.

A gun-wielding burglar yep who who has robbed somebody's house of all their all their belongings maybe a poor maybe some poor family in the in the narrows he may as well have a bag on it with the dollar sign on it exactly like a stripy shirt and a mask anyway he comes out there he batman shows up he just willy-nilly starts shooting bullets throughout Gotham City probably hits another orphan he's a criminal

what do you want but then Batman's like I'm gonna use you to make the fear and then I summon to get the Parademons whatever

and then he defeats the Parademon escapes or whatever it was he just lets the guy go he does let him go the guy's just like the guy just has a conversation

with him he's like what's going on there and Batman's like that guy's a criminal. Yeah. He's got probably an unlicensed gun.

He unloaded a gun. Yeah. Yeah. So I liked that they had a conversation because they both shared this weird moment and they had common ground

for a second, but then he should have just netted him. Yeah, right. You know what I mean? Just not even look at him, just fire a net gun into him.

So weird. Yeah. Bizarre. Yeah. I know he's got higher priorities but he's the kind of guy that would do that why would you let him go why would he's gonna shoot another tupler he's gonna shoot another mother and father yeah maybe he wants another maybe he wants another robin yeah he probably that's why but yeah just letting criminals

go yeah absolutely yeah i thought that yeah and going on from that if we're going scene to scene yeah there's a bit where he goes to visit a weird village, a weird Nordic village to find Aquaman. And he's pretending that he doesn't know who he is, which is strange. It's like, it's you. Yeah, yeah. I've seen the email, man.

Yeah, exactly. I got the attachment. And they're talking, the way they're talking to each other, it's so casual and open about Batman's abilities and who he is. And people have pointed out that people in the village... They can speak English. They can speak English because he's speaking to them. And then the guy speaks to Aquaman and Aquaman speaks to Batman.

Which means the guy he was talking to understands English but chooses not to speak English at the very least. And even if you don't speak English, he says Bruce Wayne and he says dress as a bat. Yeah, yeah. Come on. And you've come to a village of a man who can breathe underwater and who's super strong. Yeah.

Like, put it together. And people also say they'll probably just keep his secret. Batman would not take that chance. No, absolutely. If there's even a 1% chance that one person would learn his identity and then reveal it to the world he would have to kill that villager he would kill their family and burn the village to the ground yeah and when he's like whatever bruce wayne and there's another scene later in the movie where superman is resurrected and then there's cops and there's people there and bruce and batman's big gun is he gets lois lane

to show up and she's like hey clark clark kent my boyfriend clark kent who everyone thought was dead but you're superman and you're alive hey it's me lois lane reporter and the cops are just there like they're just there surely they would have to fill in a form a report later where they had to draw their weapons against a man who looks like superman but wasn't wearing a superman costume and lois lane said clark yep but mason what should have happened was yes if there was even a one percent chance that those cops would have done that yeah batman should have killed him batman should have killed him exactly he was right there and he did. Yeah. That was so strange to me.

Okay, let's talk- Where'd Superman get the new suit? I guess he just had one. He's probably got multiple suits. Why didn't he have a big hole in him where he was stabbed? Did the mother box- I thought that resurrection

was ridiculous as well. I mean, it's ridiculous in the comics, but they drop a mother box into some goo and then hit it with lightning and then he's just alive? But they had teamwork. I know.

And you know what? That's what I do like about this film as opposed to suicide squad you get to see you get to see the powers of the individual characters but i think they were poor all poorly okay i thought there was some good i thought i liked the you see you had to run yeah maybe not so good but and cyborg's pretty much just staring into a box going i've got to get past the override or whatever yeah but i thought i thought wonder woman was good i thought aquaman going, I've got to get past the override or whatever. Yeah. But I thought, I thought Wonder Woman was good. I thought Aquaman kind of like you got to see his strength. Yeah. Right.

That's true. But he didn't really do anything Aquaman. He did. He stopped that. He didn't drop a whale on anyone. Did he? Well, they went near the beach.

We can go in any number of directions for this, which is something that I enjoy. Okay. This is like Batman Superman in where you go to complain about one thing and you're like, I'll complain about four more things about it

okay Superman they bring him back and then he just solves everything yeah I was going to say a different thing what were you going to say

no we'll talk about this first I was going to say they bring him back and once he's Superman again because Lois Lane touched his cheek or whatever now he can just

single handedly beat everybody and give the villains some edge on superman no see i liked that i liked that steppenwolf wasn't a match for it where he was kind of mopping the floor with you know four of them and then superman just comes in and just like hey but it's not a team then is it no i don't care they're just canon they're suicide squad style cannon fodder until superman shows up great okay i loved it it's it's and he's making quips and he's just he's just batting him about like it's nothing and because the reason that steppenwolf invaded in the first place was because there's it's in the trailer they cut it out but he's like you've got no lanterns

you've got no kryptonians here's a fun idea why not do it before superman landed on earth in the first place you mean in that 5,000-year gap? In the 5,000-year gap. What was he waiting for? When there was no superheroes. No superheroes at all, ultimately. Yeah. And what happened is that the Amazons and the Atlanteans went away.

Yes, they did. They just went away. And also, apparently, they can't get off that island. In 5,000 years, I feel confident that Steppenwolf could have destroyed that world Just manually Just with the axe He could have just started chopping Just started chopping

Anyway But what are they going to do next time? Like in the next movie Again they've got Superman who cannot be defeated by anyone Yeah but if you bring in like a dark side I didn't even know when Because this was supposed to be two films Yeah right

I didn't even know We might not be getting supposed to be two films. Yeah, right. I didn't even know. We might not be getting another Justice League movie for five, 10 years. Good. I think the Flashpoint movie, we're going to get a weird Justice League. If we can go back to the start again. Sure. Okay. The Wonder Woman opening scene.

There's a good, that's a pretty good action sequence. Yeah, I agree. I enjoyed that. Good cold open for her. Yeah, that was good cold open for her. It was fun. The bad guy turned out to be nobody really. No.

But. He just wanted to blow up open for her. It was fun. The bad guy turned out to be nobody, really. No. But... He just wanted to blow up that one bank and make the world... Except there's apparently... Apparently, it was enough C4 to level multiple city blocks. Yeah. Which he threw into the air and then it was fine. Yes. And I'm willing to suspend my disbelief that it wouldn't airburst and kill everybody.

I'm not, Mason. Okay, but apparently there was also four others, or three others. What happened to them? I didn't mention that. I missed that completely. They were like, this is it, and there's four locations. We've set up bombs in four locations.

We're going to destroy this city. She probably got them. I mean, she got them, didn't she? I guess she got them. But I think that, to me, that feels like Snyder was going to go, let's blow up Paris or whatever it is in its entirety. Because in the trailer, that bomb blows up in the building.

It does, yeah. So I think what happened is she was going to attempt to save everybody. Then it was going to blow up. All of Paris was going to blow up. And it was going to be a horrible tragedy like the time all that piss blew up and got everybody. And then they went, oh, this is a bit negative. Let's say she saved it.

Which is the right way to go, but they should have taken out that line. Yeah, but then they very conveniently forgot about the rest of it. But she got them, didn't she? Yeah, she must have got them. Yeah, she bloody got them, didn't she? What else? What else is bad in this? There was no payoff for Cyborg's character in terms of

there was clearly a link towards him and the mother box. Yep. And there probably was initially to be more and there was kind of hints towards maybe this guy's not with us yeah right but he just is like there's no like moment where it kind of tries to override him even and he pushes back there's no bit where steppenwolf grabs him and is like you're one of my minions or whatever exactly he's nothing for a while he's just a little too depressed to be all in. Yeah. And then he changes his mind and he's all in. Melbourne's all in.

Also, it was very convenient that he suddenly gained the ability to listen in very specifically to encrypted communications about him and then he just figured out who Batman was. Yeah. That was fun. I thought that was very convenient also. Like, in a good way. Oh, okay.

Pretty handy, yeah. Again, this movie ends Clark Clark Kent's alive again. He's hanging out with his friends. He goes to work. He's a reporter again. He died. A lot of people went to his funeral. It was open casket.

Yeah. There was no excuse. There was no explanation. I think what they're going to do when they flashpoint and change things, they're just going to brush it over like that, or just not address it at all, I guess. Yeah, right. You can't...

Why did you have his funeral? Yeah. You knew you were going to bring him back. He died as Superman, have Superman's funeral, and then do the thing where you go on, Clark Kent was lost in the rubble. Yeah, exactly. Or he went away for a bit.

Because also, it seems like this movie in Batman, Superman, they're months apart. So he could have just been on vacation. They could have been, they could have been like, we thought you died in the rubble. And he's like,

no, I just went off grid. Yeah. Right. There could have been that. I went to Kansas. Exactly. You know what?

I really think it was though. I think Zack Snyder hates Clark Kent and he sees it as a, as a weakness. Right. If you were Superman, you would just be Superman. You wouldn't go work a job. That's true. Yeah. it as a weakness right if you were Superman you would just be Superman you wouldn't go work a job yeah right

that's true yeah like as a regular person something I also enjoyed at the end so Lois Lane's arc is she doesn't want to be a hard hitting reporter anymore because Clark died

and then and she has a crisis of confidence and then Superman comes back to life and then she's inspired and then her she becomes a hard-hitting reporter again and writes the worst fluff piece of all time about being a hero,

whatever it was about. It was just like, there's something darkness, something, but there's light, something, and then there's a hero, something. It's nothing. It's nothing, yeah. It's like the end of... You were in a war in the previous one. You won a Pulitzer Prize. You won a Pulitzer Prize.

You won a Pulitzer Prize. You saw Jimmy Olsen get shot in the face. Yeah. Hey, quick edit point. We recorded like 20 minutes more after this. Oh, yes. And the card was full and it stopped recording. So we're going to keep talking.

We may or may not have talked about this stuff already. Or maybe... I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, man. We had so many good and fun points. Oh, so many points. We can repeat them again. we may or may not have talked about this stuff already or maybe i don't know we'll see yeah maybe we had so many good and fun points oh so many points we can repeat them again we can we can recall them all where we are muscle memory we're so good at paying out on movies we can do this again but as i was saying to you mason off air apparently what i really don't like about this

universe again is they've ruined another good story that could potentially be something return of superman return of superman exactly i mean putting aside the fact they didn't do the black they've ruined another good story that could potentially be something. Return of Superman. Yeah, Return of Superman. Exactly. I mean, putting aside the fact they didn't do the black suit or the mullet, which is the only time you do that, by the way. Imagine how good it would have looked. I think they didn't want it to be funny.

I think that's what I like about it. What do you mean? Because they didn't want it to be grim and they didn't want people to make fun of his hair. You don't have to give him a mullet. No, you don't. You could just give him slightly longer hair. Also, you CGI'd off his mustache, so you're past that point anyway,

aren't you? He already looks ridiculous in a lot of the scenes. But if you can CGI off his mustache, you can CGI on some stubble. Or a mustache. Or a mustache, exactly. Kryptonians, after their death, their upper lip recedes and they just produce a mustache it's like he didn't even have an upper lip yeah right oh so weird yeah but i just think also like with the death of superman it's interesting for the comic's not great a lot of the times but it's

interesting because there's four supermen who take over when he dies yes and as a result of that the world's in chaos the justice league's upside down because they've lost their leader and they've all been battered half to death. And there's these people, some of them pretending to be Superman, some of them not. And people are looking for saviors in the universe. Yeah. And while this is happening, villains behind the scenes

are slowly taking over. Uh-huh, yeah. Because there's nobody in place. And then when Superman does come back, he's depowered. Yes. But he still goes you know what i'm still superman so i'm still gonna do this and i think that would have been a more interesting finale yeah right because he they bring they bring him back and they're like you're

gonna save a superman and then he tries to fly and he can't or whatever he tries to use his heat vision doesn't work and then you can like the the way that it happens in the the comic books he has to he's got no powers. He's in like a Kryptonian battle suit. That would have been fun. Yep. And he has to come up against Mongol, who has like Superman level strength

and the cyborg Superman, who has all of Superman's powers plus cyborg stuff. And there's like a gigantic Kryptonite death ray going off because that powers the war weapon or whatever. Whatever's happening. And then the Ericator sacrifices himself to change the energy of the something and then superman gets his powers back yeah just do something like that yeah yeah yep but they didn't they didn't know did they because he's just he's just back but what i did what i did like

about this superman was that he's as fast as the flash is right at this point i think the flash will end up being faster because the Flash can't run. Yeah. But I liked that bit where Superman's taking on the Justice League and the Flash tries to get around behind him and Superman's just watching him the whole time. And again, I think I said this before we lost the recording,

that for me that would have been more fun if the Flash was more smug and sure of himself, like Ezra Miller, the actor yeah and that he was he'd spent the entire rest of the movie or all these other appearances just being like hey maybe i'm a little weird but when i'm the flash i'm the fastest man and i can do anything and look how i run rings around all the rest of you guys and all the villains or whatever isn't this funny and then when it finally comes to he runs up behind Superman, you see Superman turn around and can obviously see him and obviously is a match for him speed-wise.

I think that would have been a much better payoff. That's what they also do in Justice League War when he fights Superman. He's just zipping around him and Superman hits him with his finger. Yeah, yeah, right, exactly. I think that's interesting. Speaking of the battle, and I don't know if we lost this or not, but my favourite part of that battle was that their whole goal was you've got to keep the mother boxes out of hands.

Get them apart. Keep the mother boxes away from Stefan. We'll look out. And then they're fighting Superman, and he just shows up and just grabs it because they've just left it unattended, like a bag at a shopping center. If that was at an airport, security would have been on it. Exactly. There's a bag at a shopping center. If that was at an airport, security would have been on it.

Exactly. There's a bunch of them. You didn't all have to go and fight Superman. Leave it with a flash. Leave it with a flash, exactly. He can run away from Superman maybe with it. Well, yeah, exactly. Yeah, you're right.

You're 100% right. Yeah, right? Okay, on the post-credits scenes. Hang on, did we talk about... No, we probably did. Who knows? Let me let me just check my check your bloody notes okay uh that's how seriously you're taking this episode you took notes you never know i didn't take notes somebody sent an email and i'm like these are good points okay cool so you're stealing ideas yeah i'm stealing ideas uh yeah yeah that's right um i did like the post-credit scene of superman running racing the flash i thought that was a lot of fun i mean that's obviously a comic book callback and and whatever and he's just anyway makes a little joke about you're off the team or whatever

we did did we talk about the family the family of maybe we should just we'll just go hey we'll just talk about whatever yeah okay take it out we'll talk we talk about the family of immigrants that were clearly just installed by joss whedon. So we had somebody to be like, oh, that's a regular person in Jeopardy. Look out. You don't have to do that. You could have just introduced them as the Flash saves them or as they're getting away. Yeah, right. Like we know the world's in Jeopardy.

That's fine. But you did like the part where the Flash saves them. Yeah. Superman's like, without being like, listen, you take the car because you're less powered than me and I'll take this building. Yeah, right. He does it in a way that's like, hey, we're both doing good things here, even though I'm doing a much better thing. And there were some character moments, I think, together like that that could have worked,

but then they didn't really. Like, there's the moment where you see it in the trailer where the Flash says, I've never done battle. I just push people and run away. What do I do? And Batman says, just save one person. Yeah. And then you'll know what to do.

And I think in a better movie, that would have been kind of fun. Yeah. Because, you know, because obviously you'll know what to do. It's just keep saving more people. You do it once, you can do it again. Could have just said that. Yeah. And also, while Batman is explaining that, I'm pretty sure Steppenwolf is killing more people.

Like, people are dying while that's happening. Batman's just taking this moment to give a little pep talk talk yeah yeah you know what okay we're talking about good personal moments i like the bit where batman baits wonder woman about steve trevor and she hits him yeah right and he's like jesus right sure like i your favorite batman wonder woman interaction is where batman's a little bit in love with her yeah but he won't admit it yes or he won't even admit it to himself i think there was there was shades of that in this with her, but he won't admit it. Yes. Or he won't even admit it to himself. I think there was shades of that in this. Yeah, yeah.

Like Alfred kind of hints at it and whatnot. I thought their dynamic was really good and I liked the way he provoked her into hitting him by pushing certain buttons or whatever. But again, with this version of the character, it's tough to say whether he did that on purpose or if he did it just because he's a prick. He was just like, I'm going to think of the meanest thing i can hey your boyfriend's dead ow nah the the lex luther wait wait i think i have another thing

oh i was gonna say uh wasn't it fun how when steppenwolf uh was was afraid and all the parademons just jumped him isn't that fun fun? Yeah, because fear. Because fear was his own undoing. Wasn't that fun? It was his greatest enemy. But also the bit where surely, because the Flash was constantly afraid, surely they would be constantly. They'd just pile on him.

They would just ignore Batman because he fears nothing. Yeah. And Wonder Woman fears nothing. Cyborg, I assume, fears nothing. And then they would just pursue him. And they could have used that. Aquaman's having fun. They're not going after him. He's having fun. They're not going after him.

He's having fun. They're not going after him. He's a party boy. He's a party boy. But they could have just used that somehow. They could have used him as a distraction. He flies around the world and then they have a big gun waiting. Batman could have had one of his very big guns.

I don't remember them taking advantage of that at all in the film. No, they didn't. I had fun with it, though. Oh, jeez. What else? Okay. No, let's talk about the poster you seem to you seem very i want to talk about the jesse eisenberg thing because the the the flash superman one was pretty good yeah i like that a lot you were like oh we're going out of this it was a really positive note but the that jesse eisenberg one really brought it down and what really when it really started to go south for me was when they go to Luther's cell and he turns around and it's not Luther.

For a second, I thought it was Lex Luther Sr. Yeah, right. And I'm like, great. But then I very quickly realized that's a no-name actor. It's just some thug or something. Just some guy, which means, yep, Eisenberg's alive. And he's in a really weird ill-fitting suit so he's gone from in in the space of the six months he's gone from uh bloody facebook mark zuckerberg steve jobs tech

weirdo guy to just gene hackman lex luther they've just made the jump they're like well gene hackman wore weird suits and and had a shaved head and a cravat or whatever. Yep. Just put that in here. And they put him on the Gene Hackman... No, the... The Yoss or whatever. The Superman Returns Yoss. If it's not, it's close, yeah. Yeah, it's the same thing.

Yeah, yeah. And I thought that scene was... Is that what people think they want? People want Gene Hackman Lex Luthor? I guess they must. That's not what people want. No. They want comic book Lex Luthor.

They want comic... How did they get some of... How did they go, okay, well, some of the comic book stuff we'll put in, and other stuff, just forget about it. But you loved Deathstroke, didn't you? No, I thought he was bad and rubbery and weird. They just had him sort of stand there. Didn't he rock up on a speedboat? Yeah, well, he rocked up on a speedboat, but then there's a moment it's just like it's it's just lex luther's reclining in a chair and then we get from sort of lex luther's perspective just

deathstroke just standing there like a real dummy he doesn't like a like a just a like just a cosplayer against a wall of the like a like a i i really hated the the gray hair and the beard like the arrow one he's got a little bit of grey because that's what he looks like. And Joe Manganiello has a little bit of grey. He doesn't have to be full white-haired Deathstroke because you've now committed to that and you're going to have to do it every time he shows up.

So well done. Except they don't because they could just be like, I remember in the previous movie where you had the salt and pepper hair. Yeah. Because we can do that now. We can just say- Maybe you've got some kind of rejuvenation shampoo. Yeah, maybe. Like a vain lunatic. Or somebody or somebody who's just you know wants to look their best you know

just yeah just an inauthentic best um but then and again i thought we were going to get through this movie without remembering remember at the end of fantastic four no four stick yes they they'd very nearly say we're the fantastic four and it would be super cringey. But even though they didn't say it, it still felt super cringey. Yes. How did they do that? I thought we were going to get away with it.

How did they not say it? It's still super cringey. Yes, weird, right? But I thought that we were going to get through this movie without them going, this is a real Justice League situation. What are we, some kind of Justice League or whatever? And I thought we were going to escape it.

But at the end, they do something which I think was worse, which is that Jesse Eisenberg goes, it looks like looks like the heroes of forming some sort of league we'd better form a league of our own and then everybody davis exactly everybody in the theater everybody who watched that movie immediately went oh like a league of their own the the female baseball everybody knows yeah weird, all 10 people in my cinema were like, oh yeah, like the baseball movie. People have recommended Tom Hanks as Lex Luthor, senior.

I think he could do it. That'd be fun. Yeah. Okay. I absolutely think he could do it. Yeah. He's not like buff, but he doesn't have to be. He's quite tall though, isn't he?

I think he is. That's fine. Yeah. They can do it with angles. They can do it with angles. They can do it with CGI. I mean, they made Steppenwolf look flawless as a nine foot man

with the face of Dobby the house elf what were they thinking why would they do another villain like that so weird did we mention previously you can cut it out

how do the boom tubes work how can he get from place to place what are even his powers he's just a big guy with an axe right yeah but Superman uses

his super breath which i loved okay yeah yeah that was good right yeah but yeah you're right like because boom tubes are presumably powered by in the comic books you produce a boom tube with a mother box which means i guess there's another mother box on so how can he so how can he activate it how do you get to the first one how do you get to the first one i mean maybe he knew it was there maybe he activated on this side and then came through that way. Why do they crack and like fire comes out of them and then the boom tube activates?

I don't know. Yeah, right. I don't know. It was all very vague. Yeah, but I liked it. I had fun with it. That's the thing. Okay.

You know what did pay off, but I didn't think they actually would. Yes. Flash in that weird sequence in the future where Batman's living in the desert and he's's got goggles yes uh the flash appears to him and says lois is the key yeah and it turns out that lois actually is the key because if batman hadn't brought lois to when superman come came back that would have been the future superman would have gone bad they actually do you think that was deliberate though what do you think that's a coincidence it could be a coincidence who knows at this point because now that or do you think that's a coincidence? It could be a coincidence. It could very well be. Who knows at this point? Because now that you mention it, okay, that's the point because

yeah, okay, that would, if Lois didn't show up and reveal Clark's identity to everybody, then he presumably would have gone bad and been the evil leader of the universe. Also, what a shit bloke if that's why he goes bad. Yeah, right. Because he didn't

see Lois immediately yeah that's true yeah yeah it's like if he didn't get his coffee in the morning i'll tell you what i'm no good before i don't drink coffee so why did they particularly need to terraform earth yeah they could have terraformed any other planet could have terraformed mars you know who's there maybe martian manhunter maybe not but he's not fireproof is he no no terror like as in they want to terrorize oh okay terraform oh i get it you can't terraform terrorize form a great terrific good work terror great what is happening i'm just having fun with it man we're just having it's just a fun film i think is that about it i think that's man i feel like we missed we cut out a lot of what we were nah that would

be just in the moment it's fine yeah i'll tell you what hang on let me check my notes notes I think, is that about it? I think that's... Man, I feel like we missed, we cut out a lot of what we were... Nah. Nah, we'll be fine. We're just in the moment, it's fine. Yeah, I'll tell you what. Hang on, let me check my notes. Notes. Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh. Did we mention the Green Lanterns? That was good.

I like, if we didn't, it's good that I like that they hinted at there being Green Lanterns in the universe without being like, it's Hal Jordan! Yeah. Which I wouldn't have minded either, I guess, but... Right. But... And also that they did the thing where one of the lanterns died and

then the ring immediately flew off into the universe presumably to find anyone. To find Ryan Reynolds. Yeah. Yeah. Terrific.

Absolutely. And Zeus was there. And Zeus was there. Giant old Zeus. Big old Zeus. Yep. Would you say people should go and see this

film? No. But if you're a comic book fan. No. But if you love comic book movies and see this film? No. But if you're a comic book fan? No. But if you love comic book movies and Justice League? No.

It'll only make you sad. I'd say you should see it. People should see it. I mean, you've got to see Justice League, right? No. You're saying that because you've seen it. If you heard it was this bad, would you have not seen it? That's a good question.

That is a really good question. I think if you're a non-comic book fan you don't need to see it absolutely you are yeah that's a really good question i think from this point forward i will not see it i think at this point we've been burned enough so we're not going to see the next no i'll have to say it where i a private citizen and not in the podcast squad i would probably not see it are we called a podcast squad yeah we're a podcast squad we're in the podcast squad it's spelled s-k-w-a-d that's why we got those tattoos oh yeah in a way this is uh a league of our own mason isn't it though that's right it's not um i wish we had gina davis in this podcast it would be great me you and gina davis ah you can tell us about the long kiss good night oh yeah I like that film

probably. I don't really remember it. I remember like... It's a good one. It's a good one. Absolutely. I got some reviews here from people if you don't mind.

Yeah, go ahead. How long... This is from Perry. How long do you think before we get the Zack Snyder cut of Justice League in the same vein

as the Richard Donner cut? I don't know. Maybe never. I don't think... I don't even think he fully finished what he wanted to do. I think maybe immediately.

I think we'll get an extended cut. I don't know if they'll be like, Oh, the Zack Snyder cut. Do you think we'll get the version we saw at cinemas plus all the Zack Snyder scenes awkwardly shoehorned on? No, I think they'll try and make a coherent version of it, like Batman Superman. That extended version just adds

some plot elements, but it doesn't contradict what was already shown. We might get some down the line, yeah. But because of what happened with his family, I don't think we're going to... Because even the Richard Donner Superman 2, he didn't finish that movie. He had to use

existing footage and test screening stuff and whatever to make it work we'll probably see it at some point uh dion says how does a flash hey does the flash's message make sense now i guess so 100 yeah again was it an act don't yeah yeah zack snyder no having fun with it don't yeah any of these movies you uh idiot. Nam Nam says, my Justice League review. It was all right. Good action and chemistry. Some weirdly timed jokes.

It's a pretty good story. Also, less sexualization of Wonder Woman, please. Yeah, there was a lot of lingering shots of her ass. Yeah, there was actually. There was one that won like, oh, that's a bit gratuitous, but it'll stop soon. Oh, it hasn't stopped, has it?

No. No, it's still going. This is from Baz Amatazan. We didn't even talk about J.K. Simmons because he's in it for two minutes. Nothing. Yeah, right. Which is a shame because he's a good actor.

I just saw Justice League in the upper lip. It was so terrible. Surely it would have been better for everyone involved to use a fake mustache for MI3, 6, 7, and shave it off for this. The rest of the movie was just a movie, I guess. Queen Molly says, Justice League had some good moments and a lot of cringy moments. it off for this uh rest of the movie was just a movie i guess uh queen queen molly says justice league had some good moments and a lot of cringy moments jesse says justice league felt like a

bland studio film more than a zack snyder film cgi limp will lip will haunt my dreams uh declan says spoilers cyborg is a poor man's iron man batman struggles more with one paradigm and then hawkeye did during with an army during the avengers. Superman basically negates the Flash's usefulness, and I'm pretty sure the homeless guy at the start with the sign, I tried, was Zack Snyder. Oof. How bad? I did not care for any of this, like, oh, Superman's gone, so people are tipping over fruit carts.

Neo-Nazis are yelling at Pakistani people. People are homeless now because they weren't before. Yeah. It was already bad. Yeah. Yeah. One more. Rosev says, finally watched Justice League movie.

It was fun, but kind of reminded me of DC animation. Yeah. There you go. There's a little bit of that to this. Yeah. Much of which I hated. Batman really had a bad time with. He didn't do any Batman.

He barely did any Batman. I agree. Do some Batman stuff. Yeah. Do some. No, because he kept getting into vehicles. He just kept getting into vehicles and then crashing the vehicles. It was weird that he assembled the team and then went, I'm going it alone.

I'm going to take whatever that giant vehicle he has. Yeah, right. You've got the team there for a reason and you're a man. Yeah. If anybody, Cyborg should fly the ship. Yeah. Probably wouldn't crash it probably not yeah so anyway uh these vehicles were so weird yeah they were why'd you need the crawler tank thing yeah also how

embarrassing was it when they the tunnel flooded and then everybody was just hanging on the night crawl off the wall embarrassing for them couldn't't see the Avengers in that situation. No. Are you saying the Avengers are better than the Justice League? I'm saying on screen they are, yes. Absolutely very much so. You're 100% right. Well, Mason,

you're just a hater. That's your problem. That's my problem. Look, and again, we say this, I think, every time there's a DC movie or really any movie where there might be

a difference of opinion. I didn't like it at all. You liked it. Some of it. If you did, if, if your opinions are different and if you did like it, that's fine.

Yeah. You are wrong. And that's cool. It's fine. But you are wrong. Am I wrong? You're wrong. And again,

that's fine. It's fine. We're cool. Okay. You're definitely wrong. There's no, I don't feel wrong. You're wrong though.

I mean, it's fine i think what the difference between coming out of this the batman superman was for me if batman superman felt so bitter and angry yeah right dour uh-huh and this didn't and i think that's what made the big difference for me yeah and i know you're allowed to have a dow version of these characters uh-huh but there's superman characterization i've talked about it like yeah it does not work for me at all. And a big part of what the goodwill I have towards this movie is because they got some of Superman right.

Yeah, it's a little bit cheerier. But it shouldn't have taken five movies. No, it absolutely should. They should have got it right from the get-go. It's not hard. No. Just get a comic book. Get a good Superman story arc and put it on screen.

It's not hard. Exactly. All right. Zack Snyder's done. I don't think he's coming back. Like personal tragedies aside, I think they're not going to bring him back for any of this. Yeah, right.

Yeah. Looking forward to Justice League 2? No. Do you think they'll ever make it? I think Flashback. I think they'll make another Justice League movie, but I don't necessarily think it's going to be this cast. I don't think it's going to be...

Will they call it Justice League? Or will they call it the Legion of Doom? Or something like that? Oh, yeah. I reckon they might call it Justice League, Legion of Doom. Yeah. What about Justice League, colon... Geena Davis is here.

Geena Davis. All right, you know what it's time for? Oh, what are we reading? What are we going to read? It's our famous segment. I'm doing the thing. What are we reading today? I've watched about five minutes of The Punisher.

I've watched zero minutes of The Punisher. Oh, okay. I've heard... So far there's been a lot of Frank is on a construction site and he's he's hitting a wall with a hammer he's getting his aggression out

is he making a punisher symbol into the wall no he's just making a regular why is he doing it then exactly it's pointless and and he's grown a beard

and and the other construction workers are real mean and they've stepped on his sandwiches what so I think he's probably going to kill them all

I feel like that's the kind of thing he'd let slide. Yeah, I think maybe he's going to beat them up, though. Yeah. Unless, because he's got a friend. See, I haven't seen, I've seen like five minutes, he's got a friend on the work site. Oh, he's going to be like, calm down, Frank. And I think the friend is going to get beaten up

by the mean construction workers, and then Frank's going to beat them all up. Okay. Like literally everybody. Yeah, well, because I guess he doesn't mind when people pick on him. Yeah. Like he won't, if a guy's making fun of him, he's not going to shoot him to death. Okay. Like literally everybody. Yeah. Well, because I guess he doesn't mind when people pick on him. Yeah. Like he won't, if a guy's making fun of him,

he's not going to shoot him to death. That's true. Necessarily. Yeah. And I've heard pretty good things. Me too. Because I don't have internet at this place yet. I'm using this bloody.

Wow. Using the dongle. Dongle, mate. Yeah. It's a bloody nightmare. Nice dongle. Yeah. So I can't, I can't watch it yet.

So, but I'll get there. We'll talk about it a bit next week. I don't know if we will do a full episode because I'm kind of... What if you're watching and you're real jazzed? Yeah, then maybe. I'm just kind of burnt on it. Okay, yeah. To be honest, after Defenders, it's too much.

Apparently the action sequences are few and far between, but I couldn't say. Well, that sounds perfect for a Punisher TV series. That's what I want from 13 hours of Punisher television. Let me be clear about this, and nobody tweet at me because I don't want to know. I want to experience it for myself. If there's no minigun in this, I'm out. I'm done with Netflix series.

They've lied to me one too many times. Yep. That one time. They've lied to you. That one time, yeah. Yeah, fair enough. You've got that latest theme ready to go, Mason? Hang on.

Did I have another thought about The Punisher? Well, you watched five minutes of it, so probably not. Probably not. No. Yeah. A lot of people like he's too small to be The Punisher, but you know. Thomas Jane wasn't enormous. Exactly.

It's fine. Yeah. Don't even worry about it. I'm not worried about it. Don't even worry about it. Were you under the impression that I was worried about it? Yeah. The classic one was,

Letters, oh letters, we love you. Some letters, they're only a day away. We're down to here right now. they're only a day away. I know they're here right now. We're going to do letters. Well, well, well, Mason. Yes? We're at the point of the show where we talk about the letters for the show. Are you familiar with this segment?

Yes, I've been a part of it many times. Look, honestly, sometimes I've been tuning out. Yep, yep, yep. But you have been present. But you know what? Today, Meso's all in. Wow. Just like Melbourne's all in.

Yeah. Like this lanyard I'm wearing. Do you want me to get you one? No. You could wear it. I don't want to wear it. What if you just started wearing that in your daily life? Scribble out Justice League and just wear it as a symbol that Melbourne is all into things.

Yeah, well, they are, aren't they? Hey, you want to go to a laneway cafe? Melbourne's all in. Melbourne's all in, baby. Yeah. All right. I got a tweet here from Bob Noble. I'm ready.

Justice League was meh. But more... Oh, hashtag weeklyplanetpod. That's how you reach us on Twitter. You tweet that out there. You better believe that we'll say it. Yeah. The universe will...

The universe will provide. Absolutely. I need recommendations on a good Justice League comic, Dickheads. We always recommend there's one written by... The run written by Grant Morrison and I guess the early 2000s

or the late 90s. That's the best one. That's the best one, I think. Read that one. Man, imagine if they made that. They could have just made that. But they did and did that. They didn't make it.

They made a different one. Yeah, they made a different one. They're just having fun though, aren't they? There's got to be some more modern ones though. I don't mind the new 52. I think it's a good introduction. I don't think it's brilliant. I like Kingdom Come a lot, but it's...

You kind of need to have an understanding. That's another one they could ruin. Yeah, they probably will. They could do Kingdom Come and ruin that on the big screen, couldn't they? Have they already done it? Well, that's kind of this, really. will. They could do Kingdom Come and ruin that on the big screen, couldn't they? Have they already done that? Well, that's kind of this, really. Is it? Yeah, this future universe is kind of a Kingdom Come universe.

Right, just a sad place. Yeah. Yeah, fair enough. It didn't seem so sad this time because they retroactively made Superman the best person in the universe. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. What else?

Probably others. I'm not up to... I don't really read the Justice League comics. Neither do I. Yeah. They seem... I don't know. What else? Probably others. I'm not up to... I don't really read the Justice League comics. Neither do I. Yeah. They seem... I don't know. For me, the new 52, it just looked a little generic.

Yeah, fair enough. Which is weird because they had like Jim Lee covers and stuff like that. Jeff Johns wrote it. But it just kind of looked a little too back to basics for me. Or it's something new. I don't know. And they were just like, here's the most basic possible team enjoy it that's what i liked about it okay i've got a letter this is edward duffy weekly planet pod at gmail.com at the end of 2015 a listener asked us

if you had to avoid one 2016 comic book movie forever which would it be mr sunday picked x-men apocalypse yep i apparently picked civil war bad choice i don't know why I picked that in lieu of is that a joke? no, look in retrospect it does seem like the Hail Mary pass that I would attempt I'm sorry, did you say that before the movie came out? or after?

this was in 2015 somebody said in 2016 you've got to skip a movie you know why? it's probably because there was something else and i'm like well i've seen you know these these characters team up why would i yeah you know in in i'll have in lieu i'll watch something else and i bet it was gonna be bad yeah uh anyway so the same question for 2018 so the choices are yep black panther War Ant-Man and the Wasp

Deadpool 2 New Mutants Dark Phoenix Aquaman Venom Dark Phoenix yep absolutely or Venom

no I want to see what they do yeah I want to see Dark Phoenix because it'll probably just be every other X-Men film yep

and if I didn't say that I'd say New Mutants yeah okay what were the DC films Aquaman yeah no I want to see that I want to see that yeah same'd say New Mutants. Yeah, okay. What were the DC films? Aquaman. Yeah, no, I want to say that. I want to say that.

Yeah, same. That's James Wan, right? James Wan, December. Yeah, nice. So it's like a clean, yeah, nearly a year and a bit between now and the next DC movie. Great. Do you know why? Because DC's all in.

Well, I was going to say because I don't think they have a, I think their schedule is a nightmare. I don't think they really know what's, like they're doing Shazam and they're doing a Batman movie at some point and they're doing Aquaman and they're doing Wonder Woman 2. But there's a lot of stuff that's not mapped out yet because they're waiting to see what happened with Justice League and now you've seen it.

So plan accordingly. Terrific. Whatever your break glass in case of emergency plan was, throw it in the bin and ask somebody who knows what the fuck they're doing. Because, see, all the other ones I feel like they're going to bring us something new. Yeah. Like Black Panther's going to bring us a whole new part of the Marvel Universe. And that's even what I liked about Doctor Strange, even though I didn't love it.

At least it was a new concept. Yeah. Infinity War is bringing everything together. I can't skip that one. Sounds all in to me. Ant-Man and the Wasp. What's the best thing? I didn't love the first Ant,

but I feel the character maybe is hitting their stride, and I think maybe they've learned some lessons from that, and I'd like to see Evangeline Lilly as the Wasp. Yep. Deadpool 2, I'm cautiously optimistic. I think it's going to be good. We haven't seen Cable in anything yet. No.

New Mutants, they're taking a new... Yeah, I didn't love that trailer, but I like the direction. But I'm at least going to see... At least I think we've got to try it out just to see... Just so we don't burn out on generic superhero tropes. Yeah. And Dark Phoenix, it's going to be the same. Yeah.

But there's going to be aliens, maybe. Maybe. Maybe. And then Aquaman, Momoa. James Wan. Give it a crack Red Hot Go and Venom

I just want to see what Venom it is really how are they going to tie it in with Spider-Man are they are they not who knows tangentially linked

is it going to just fall from space again is it going to be already established what if they were like what if they opened up with the secret wars and it was on battle world and there's the beyonder and it's all cosmic or whatever and they got Tom Holland in to be like, hello, what's this then? Oh, I need a new costume.

How do I get to this Battleworld? I'll touch this weird black ball. Oh, and then he's got the costume. What if they did a five minute Tom Holland has the costume for no reason and then he gets rid of it and then i would love that then it then we do a flashback and his school bully is eddie brock and then he gets the costume and then i don't know even though he's like 20 years old yeah yeah what if they just went insane for five minutes and then they were just like and now he's venom yeah uh this is from the tentative doctor on twitter do you guys think infinity war will have more of a serious tone or will be getting more of the same also what kind of quips puns do you think thanos might say love the show i don't know if he would do puns i think he'll do any puns like erase your existence yeah yeah yeah i think it'll just be he'll say something grim and then break

somebody's neck yeah there's gonna be it's exclusively that i'm hoping it's gonna be a little bit grimmer i think they're gonna dial it back from ragnarok certainly yeah oh yeah definitely yeah well it's also it's the it's the russo brothers and they did arguably the grimmest film captain america soldier which i guess is the grimmest yeah i think it will have a more serious and that's the best film featuring grimace he's in a deleted scene is he yeah oh what do you think grimace is i think he's supposed to be like a like a shake isn't he because he's a blob like a weird blob maybe i mean he's purple though what's purple at mcdonald's nothing yeah nothing is purple mcdonald's yeah maybe he's an eggplant there's

never been an eggplant anywhere near a mcdonald's it's true maybe he was i think grimace was originally intended as a villain. I think you're thinking of the Joker. No, the hamburger was a villain. I think Grimace was also a villain. Really? Yeah. What kind of villain?

Started as an evil character. Caught that. Is he fat? No. Is that what he is? Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, they're like, well, we can't have. Yeah, that's true. We can't associate McDonald's with obesity.

Yeah. No, I think it would be more serious, but you're still going to get Tony Stark quips. But maybe a more self-aware Tony Stark, because I like the Tony Stark in Civil War, because he's like, I'm a bad person. Yeah, right. I've made some bad decisions.

Yeah, that would be good. So, yeah. I think that's the show though, Mason. Originally, Grimace was the evil grimace with two pairs of arms with which to steal milkshakes so it was milkshake related stealing milkshake sure so is all do you want to know about grimace's family was he was he stealing milkshakes his grandmother's name is winky okay and his brother is named king gonga this is jean valjean situation where he's stealing milkshakes to feed his family.

It must be, yeah. Look, there's no more details. I mean, what else do you need? It writes itself. Yeah, that's right. What a backstory. So the McDonald's villains are basically weird, oddly shaped people or monsters trying to steal things from McDonald's. Correct.

Okay. Well, that's great. We should build a universe around that. And then Batman can let them go. Yes. Did we mention that? Yeah, we did. Okay.

We definitely put that in. Would have been right at the start. No, because it was right at the start. Okay, good. I hope so. Yeah, yeah. All right, Mason, before we go, we have to shout out Karen,

who's been harassing us relentlessly. Oh, yeah. It's her boyfriend's birthday. Her boyfriend's birthday, Adam. Happy birthday, Adam. Your birthday comes with once a year. Enjoy it. So, yeah, we hope you have a really fun time.

Please stop endlessly harassing us. Yep, if you could. Quick heads up for everyone. If you email us 50 times about the same thing, we're not getting back to you. But, yeah, we'll make getting back to you. But yeah, but hey, we'll make an exception

to this case. That's right. I do admire the... Seems like a bit of fun. Seems like a bit of fun. Yeah. Okay. Mason, wrap us up.

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We're going to kick back. I've got a live action video coming out this week promoting a Star Wars product which has been an absolute nightmare to make. Terrific. I'll talk about more of that next week. Does it look like you're having a good time? Yeah, nightmare to make terrific but I'll talk about more of that next week

does it look like you're having a good time yeah well I think I'll talk about it next week maintain the illusion the actual filming of it was great because I did it

at Stupid Odd Studios with Evan and Matt Stewart who are awesome dudes but anyway so that's it that's it we've got some teas

on teapublic.com you might have a new design you're building yourself I did a Justice League one yeah yeah you probably won't buy it I'm not gonna buy it not you i just mean anybody all right it looks nice thanks you made it yourself with the photoshop yeah i yep uh let's see what else thank you the brute and the basilisk and rackham for all our themes thank you to everybody who listens yeah now if you have opinions about justice league let me know oh if you're speaking

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Yeah, I think Levens got sick of that, didn't he? He sure did. He's cracking down. He's cracking the whip. Bloody Levens. He's gone mad with power. I think so. No, but it's a good group, though.

It's generally – no, it is not generally. It is very positive and very welcoming. Oh, that's what I like about it but it's a good group though it's generally no it is not generally it is very positive and very welcoming oh that's what I like about it it's really good and if it turns away from that at any point

I'm shutting it down the internet doesn't have to be a garbage fire people no exactly yeah but go to planetbcasting.com we're all out there

mates that's right pretty good next week bit of Punisher but maybe we can talk about like what we'd like to see

because I know HeyFam we're going to do a DC fixing episode. Oh, yeah. Okay. So you're saying we should swoop in and steal their idea. Terrific. I know. Maybe not that exactly, but I don't know.

I want to do something about this universe and where have they gone wrong? Okay. Right. Okay. A little retrospective. Yeah. Maybe we need to- Let's do a funeral for the DC extended universe.

Maybe we need a little bit of breathing space, though, because we just did this. Maybe we should watch Murder on the Orient Express. Oh, yeah. I heard it's fine. Me too. Okay. We have to stop giving Johnny Depp money, though. I have never given Johnny Depp any money.

Okay. Yeah. And I never will. I've paid for some of his movies. Absolutely. We all have. All right. See you next week.

Grab that gem, you guys. Bye. Bye. Flick, what are you doing here? I'm just broadcasting at home. This is our podcasting space and now you're in the show and you've ruined it. No, no.

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