The Weekly Planet - 216 Star Wars:The Last Jedi is...

Episode Date: December 18, 2017

This week we get into all the good and not so good of Star Wars The Last Jedi. The best or worst Star Wars film of all time. We also get stuck into Disney buying a stack of Fox propeties, an Avengers Infinty War theory Kill or be killed...and I think that’s all the news. Thanks for listening!Star Wars The Last Jedi Easter Eggs: https://t.co/H4H0ajJjlG8:41 Disney buys a lot of Fox20:33 Kill Or Be Killed adaptation25:53 Avengers Infinity War theory30:49 Star Wars The Last Jedi Review55:01 Star Wars The Last Jedi Spoiler Review1:44:12 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read1:47:15 Letters It’s Time For LettersBuy The Last Jedi on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2VoKcsVThe Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind our T-Shirts here: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of The Weekly Planet, official podcast of nothing. I don't know. We just do it. It's just we make this podcast, okay?

What do you want? It's the official podcast of this room. That's right. For now. Well, Claire does hers in here as well. I don't know. We just do it. It's just we make this podcast, okay? What do you want? The official podcast of this room. That's right. For now. Well, Claire does hers in here as well. Oh, all right. It's the co-podcast of this room. Wow.

So, okay. All right. Could you, in post, could you insert a whip noise for yourself? Will that involve any effort on my behalf? Yes. Then I will not. Okay. Well, just everybody imagine a whip noise

because this isn't even the official podcast of this room. Is that because we're getting cracking, Mason? We're getting on with the news? Yeah, we're getting cracking on with the news and the content, precisely. I should also mention my name's James, also known as Mr. Sunday, with me as always my co-host, Nick Mason. I'm here. Big week for Star Wars, Mason.

What do you mean? I've got something for you. Ah, that's right. Now, this is not really a spoiler. We'll talk about it more later, but Mason and I made a bet concerning the last Jedi. If you know what that bet was and you haven't seen it, it doesn't ruin the film in any way. It was a ridiculous thing. It's never going to happen.

Well, it ruined the film for me. Yeah, sure. And as, uh, I think it came pretty close to happening. It got a little bit close, but as punishment, nevertheless, rules are rules. As punishment, Mason has to wear my Justice League lanyard from the Melbourne is all in Justice League premiere

now I love wearing this every week so I'm happy I'm sad to see it go so this is bad for you but alright let's put this bad boy on and I do mean bad boy

I mean I had fun with it so I don't know what your problem is Mason oh it was a bad terrible movie yeah that's what happened there you know what I like the weight to it it's nice don't you walk out of here with that mason that's why i put my fingerprints all over this isn't mint anymore oh you thought this was mint condition oh my goodness okay 6 p.m arrivals for a 6 30 screening yeah yeah it's not a

good time for fun cinema is it midnight's a fun time for fun cinema, is it? Midnight's a fun time for fun cinema. Speaking of which, if you're listening to this, I went to the midnight screening at Knox with our friend Steel Saunders of the Steel Wars podcast. Yes, yes, yes. He's already put up three podcasts about... That seems too many. I haven't listened to or watched any other reviews

as of yet concerning this, so I haven't got around to that yet, but you're in that, aren't you? I am in that, yeah, along with, let's see. Some of the Sandspans fellas. Some of the Sandspans fellas, my friend, comedian Demi Lardner. Yep, yep. The musician Paul Dempsey of the band Something for Cats.

Yeah, yeah. So weird that he likes steel. Got him. Got him. That's right. Yeah. Good fun time. God, I'm looking forward to listening to it.

And that was right after the screening, wasn't it? So you're right in my eye. Immediately afterwards, yeah. Or low, we'll find out. We will looking forward to listening to it. And that was right after the screening, wasn't it? So you're right. Immediately afterwards, yeah. Or low, we'll find out. We will, won't we? Yeah. Look, we've got to talk about this Disney Fox news, Mason. Oh, yeah.

Really? Do we have to? It's only a $60 billion deal. Well, if we're being picky, it's $52 billion. Oh, was it? Yes. Oh, small potatoes. Are we being picky?

Yes. Okay. Well, then it was $52 billion. So everybody's heard this, I'm sure, by now. Disney have bought various properties from Fox, excluding their news programs and various sport affiliates. Because who wants those? Taking a stand.

Somebody probably wants them somewhere. Well, Fox, Murdoch wants it, doesn't he? I guess so, yeah. So they're moving away from this side of the entertainment industry. I mean, they're still going to be doing fiction, Mason, if you know what I'm talking about. Yes, I do. Yeah.

Okay. Do you want a list of properties of what they've got? Yes. I've got a lot here. Okay. So strap yourself in. This is now what Disney owns. Then we'll talk about whether or not this is a good thing or whatnot.

We'll see. Yeah, exactly. You ready? Star Wars A New Hope. That was a shared distribution with 20th Century Fox because that was the original deal George Lucas made. Now with Disney. The Alien franchise.

Planet of the Apes. Feel free to stop me in any of these if you've got anything to say or I can just rattle these off. Simpsons. Family Guy. Die Hard. Independence Day 1 and 2. Oh, hello.

They took both. Yeah, really? Well, but that's like when you go to JB Hi-Fi, you look at the double pack of the Blues Brothers and Blues Brothers 2000, and you're like, I'd rather pay more just to get Blues Brothers 1. Exactly. Kingsman, they took them both. All right.

Buffy, X-Files, Avatar, which is going to be interesting, Predator, Ice Age, Goosebumps, 24. What have we got here? 911. No idea what that is. American Dad. Oh, it's the emergency services number in America. They own that now.

So you call up, you get Dan Castellaneta doing a Homer Simpson voice. You know what I'm going to do, Mason? I'm going to, it feels echo in here. I'm going to, remember last week we dragged a chair in to cut the echo? Do a good old fashioned chair drag. Levens didn't make those throwbacks for us that we said he was going to do. Oh, no. James is struggling getting his chair inside the man cave.

It's a regular thing. It's not, though. But it's like one of those videos of a puppy that can't quite... It's holding a big stick and it can't get through the door and hasn't figured out how to turn the stick. Oh, wow, this is, he's bringing in a couch mattress situation. Okay, terrific. He's brought in some bales of hay.

Okay, how are we sounding now? Seems about the same. About much the same, you say? Maybe a little bit. What was I up to? I was up to 9-11, wasn't I? Yes. They didn't buy 9-11. They didn't buy 9-11.

They didn't buy 9-11. Okay. The terrible tragedy. American Dad, American Horror Story, Cocoon, Dr. Dolittle, Empire, Fargo. Cocoon? Oh, sweet Cocoon reboots. You better believe it.

The Fly, Fresh Off the Boat, Futurama, Ghosted, The Gifted, Home Alone, Homeland, The Last Man on Earth, That's a Great Show, LA to Vegas, Life in Pieces MASH gotta take a breath we should take a breath at MASH though because I love MASH

so let's just drink in MASH Winchester no idea Alan Alda BJ Hunnicutt for a second I thought that was a do you think they got

the Radar spin-off that one pilot yeah exactly what was it called again I think it was just called Radar do you think they've got After M that's what i'm thinking i guess yeah i'm sure they found out yeah they didn't have after match they've got after match the mick night at the museum the omen the orville the peanuts movie the resident rio romancing the

stone speechless star this is us and of course people of this show will probably uh are most excited or not excited about x-men fantastic four uh dead paul which are the fox owned uh comic book properties that some of which are good some of the time correct bob eiger has said that that he's the ceo of disney and he's going to be staying on till 2021 he was planning on leaving a little bit early but he's going to oversee this transition he said though no it looks like we're going to be we're definitely heavily considering and doing r-rated properties hello and disney have done r-rated properties before though because they've done them through like miramax and when you know they're not a good company are they sure yeah are they so the one no that's not weinstein is itx. Well, it was. I don't know if it still is. Great.

Good. But anyway, so look, I think Disney know that they'll make money and Disney are about making money. So I think if they think it'll make- Aren't they a dream factory? I mean, sure. They're also a dream factory, Mason, but they're also about making money like this podcast. Oh, sure. We're a dream-

Primarily a dream factory. We're a dream cupboard. That's correct. Cupboard filled with old dusty brooms. We're a dream cupboard. That's correct. Cupboard filled with old dusty brooms. We're a dream sweatshop is what we are ultimately. Yeah. So I think when they'd have a look at the numbers that like Deadpool did and how well Logan did like critically as well,

obviously they'd be considering what's going on there. Exactly. And it's not like, I think the vast majority of people probably won't even be aware this has happened. No, I don't think so, yeah. And I mean, Marvel movies don't have a Disney logo at the start, do they? I don't believe so.

No, so they're not going to start putting one in front of Deadpool. No. Or maybe they are, because they're going to turn the genre on its head. Can you imagine such a world? Oh, yeah. Now, he opens the little window of the castle, he sticks his head out. And he goes, look at my balls! Exactly. And then they jingle. Yeah, that head out. And he goes, look at my balls. Exactly.

And then they jingle. He'll say, look at my tinker balls, is what he'll say. He probably will say that. Don't you think it would be funny or interesting if they did a Deadpool PG-13 movie and just bleep every swear word? That would be funny. And then Deadpool's just furious throughout the whole thing. So they could make an R-rated one, and then maybe at the end he just goes off the

chain and just says whatever that could be fun i think you could you could play with this genre you could flip it on his head exactly yeah but we joke about that but that worked more than often i'm on the fence about this uh even in terms of this is too many properties for Disney to make this. That's a lot of good properties that I want to see. Cocoon for one. Cocoon for one. Are they going to be able to make a lot of these? The director of Logan something, I was going to say Gavin Hood,

but he did the bad Wolverine film. He said that if, say, the X-Men are going to Marvel to into the Marvel Universe then you're probably gonna you're gonna get less X-Men films because they're only they're not gonna do six a year though they're gonna do three maybe four yeah right exactly yeah so does it mean they're more gonna go to television are we gonna get more films in general what do you think in many ways all of this is up in the air we don't know oh Mason what we could do is wait until we actually get some concrete information. Or we could speculate about it now.

Ah, well, you know, we haven't got that much time, do we? That's true. Ah, look. While it's up in the air, though, there's the very real possibility that something's going to get flipped on its head. Let me tell you that much. That's very true. I mean, you know, setting aside for a moment that, you know,

as a merger, people are probably going to lose their jobs and we're approaching this weird entertainment monopoly where there's going to be one company that makes all our entertainment for future, who knows? Forever. Forever, exactly. I think also you will, as a result of this, we're going to see a counterculture kind of.

Hippies are coming back is what you're saying. I hope not. But I think there will be a reaction to this in terms of seeing things that we're not seeing from Disney. You know, you look like punk rock came out of whatever the opposite of that was. Do you know what I'm saying though? Yes. What a great example right no i absolutely but i think i think there will be people that hate this so much and a void will

be filled that disney is not doing by somebody else whether that be say the mark millar netflix comic book properties yeah right or something that we haven't even thought of yet i don't think you should be too worried about this we're just going to get sanitized entertainment from disney forever because something will rear its head if this does not go well i even i've read an article yesterday that was basically okay now that uh disney's acquired all this fox stuff that the future of these this prop all the marvel properties especially is just going to be kind of sterile and the same but i think based on the last few movies we have seen yeah because it was like, oh, you know, Logan, you know, Deadpool and Logan, they flipped the genre on its head

in various ways, whatever, and it's not going to happen if they bring it to Marvel. But I think based on the last couple of Marvel Studios productions, I think that Disney has learned that their profits are going to take a dip if everything is cookie cutter now. Yeah, voice, like the voice of the director in particular and a specific vision counts yes people people definitely take notice so yeah look like you like we said it's it's up in the air i don't i don't love it yep that's for certain it could go any number of ways i'm just i don't like it when any company has everything like that's that's not

good yeah right like not all the fox movies are good by a long shot, but they were getting better. Yeah, right, right. So, but that's not, I mean, there's other things like concerning people keeping their jobs, what divisions are being shut down. Like there's a whole lot of factors that we don't know. What are they going to cancel?

Exactly. Are they going to cancel that Cocoon reboot? Are they going to cancel the Orville? Cocoon 2? There already was a Cocoon 2. There was. Was Gutenberg in it? I don't know.

Yeah. And I guess, are they going to cancel... Hang on, I have to Google Cocoon 2. I don't. Are they going to reboot the X-Men in the Marvel... I mean, I assume they're going to reboot a lot of it in the Marvel Universe, but are they going to... I think they should. Yeah.

I think you could keep Deadpool. I mean, Wolverine they should. Yeah. I think you could keep Deadpool. I mean, Wolverine's gone. Yeah. Also this, I think it's going to be like a year or so of going over the fine print and determining if this is classed as a monopoly. So this isn't going to like all the Fox movies that are already being lined

up. They're going to still happen. Yeah. Right. There's going to be a shift in about a year, year and a half when all this kind of gets confirmed. Gambit's done. Surely. You know what I mean? They're not doing that now. Are they? I don't know. in about a year, year and a half when all this kind of gets confirmed. Gambit's done, surely.

You know what I mean? They're not doing that now, are they? I don't know. I'll mention if we missed out on Gambit, that movie we were definitely not going to get. Do you think they will give us a new Wolverine? Yeah, I think so. Who do you think it could be?

Well, actually, I've got a Twitter question about it. So why don't you hold your horses? I will hold my bloody horses. Let's talk about horses tonight horses are terrifying when i rode a horse in new zealand mason i did a lord of the rings a little too i've traveled a bit i don't like to brag but you know i've seen a bit of the world uh i thought they were just like stupidly like a big dog oh yeah because i know how to handle a dog you know what i mean yeah i can pat a dog i know when a dog's friendly or

whatever also a dog won't kick you through the head oh for sure yeah you know what i mean even if it could it probably wouldn't want to yeah exactly but a horse can and will but a horse i'm like wants to i think horses are not as smart as dogs as well so i'm like i don't know what do you pat a horse right i don't know but i i just don't stand at the back of the horse also don't stand at the front because also you can feed a dog from your hand in any configuration, in any hand configuration you want, right? And the dog will just eat the thing. If it's a friendly dog, yeah.

Yeah, but a horse, if you don't hand it the food in precisely the correct way, it'll bite your hand off. Won't even slow down. Yeah. Yeah, horses, notoriously carnivoric. I don't know if this is part of the question you've got from Twitter. Sure. What would you like to see?

What combination would you like to see? What team up would you like to see? Wow. Should we save this till the end? Yeah, save it till the end. All right. Remind me though, Mason. Yeah, because I just think we need to push forward.

People aren't here to listen to your musings on combinations of things, Mason. What's your favorite combination of vegetables though? Probably. Peas, man. I know that. Yeah, peas. Maybe peas your favorite combination of vegetables, though? Probably. Peas, man. I know that. Yeah, peas. Maybe peas and a mashed potato. Sure.

It's pretty good, yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. That's good. We should save that for the end as well. Okay, all right. All right.

Because I have more than that. I'll change my opinion over the course of the show. I'm sure. I mean, that's a pretty basic combo. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Have you read Kill or Be Kill? Yes, I love it.

We talked about it on the show. Yeah, i thought you had yes uh it's like spider-man with a shotgun well he sort of dresses like a spot he's not spider-man look it's a guy with a shotgun in a mask that kind of looks like to the extent to the extent that spider-man is like the burglar that murdered his uncle yes killer be killed is like spider-man but in every other respect no it is it is not like that uh the john wick director one of them i think it was two of them, I don't know, is making that film.

Yeah. Seem good to you? Sounds really good, yeah. So this is... Headshots for all. Yeah, Killer Beak killed Ed Brubaker. It always sounds like, not just you, but that's names being said wrong. Isn't it though, yeah.

Yeah. I did say it wrong in my own defence just then. Oh, did you? It's Brubaker. Brubaker. There we go. You could have said Boo Baker or something. It doesn't matter. We'll save it to the end. Keep going. say it wrong in my own defense just that did you it's brew baker brew baker there we go uh he says boo baker or something doesn't matter yeah we'll save it to the end keep going uh and it's about a

guy who may or may not have sold his soul to a demon uh to cure himself from being uh uh sick yeah and in exchange he has to kill one person a month. The classic Spider-Man origin. Exactly, that's right. Great, I'm excited for that. It is Brubaker's finest work probably. Really? Wow, he's done some good stuff as well. Yeah, that's right, it's really good. Cool.

Ready Player One has a new trailer. Did you see that? I saw it probably two or three dozen times. It was posted in the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates group. Fantastic place if you want to post a thing again and again, I assume. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. As we're talking about the show, Levens is now kind of,

and there's a few admins kind of filtering, so it's not like duplicated posts and whatnot. Correct, yes. There's like 50 posts an hour, is that the only thing? If you've been in there and you were like, boy, there sure is a lot of stuff happening in here, give it another try. It's calmed right down. It's calmed right down, yeah.

We've got a handle on it if your post doesn't get approved that's obviously Andrew Levens' fault it's Andrew Levens' fault yeah so don't don't tweet at us tweet at bloody Andrew Levens

tweet at LevDawg yeah on Twitter what do you think of the trailer though it's not it's a look it's in a movie that is aggressively not for me

based on the book even though it seems like it's for it would be right up our alley but i feel exactly the same way and i think that is and again i haven't read the book but i have read friends i know have reviewed the book i've read excerpts from the book and it seems like a book that is and it's something that is divides a lot of people a lot of people i think are like this is fun and great yeah but having read some excerpts i'm like this is fun and great. Yeah. But having read some excerpts, I'm like, this is aggressively not for me. Right.

Is it too, look, it's bloody the DeLorean. Well, it's just, to me, it reads just like, here's a list of references. And it's a guy who wins because he uncritically knows all the references. I imagine if you knew all the references. I don't know any of the references. Maybe that's it. Maybe it's just, maybe I'm a man with a bad memory. Look, there's two guys who I'm sure are regularly yelled at

every week by listeners for not knowing basic character names. That's why people listen. Yeah, exactly, to yell at us. Maybe we just can't relate to this guy, but it doesn't seem like it's for me. Well, even looking at the trailer, as someone who's always looking for a bloody reference or an Easter egg, I'm like, that's too much.

I don't even know where to start with that because every frame has like Roger Rabbit and the DeLorean and the Iron Giant and Deathstroke and Mickey Mouse and whatever the fuck else. I'm like, I don't know. If anything, I think maybe the- Also, I hate his avatar. Yeah, right, right. The weird anime CGI man.

I think I will probably see this and I imagine I will like it more than I... We should point out, when we say, I will see this, for something like this, I guess we have to see everything. Yeah, sure. That's something you would see regardless? Is that what you're saying? No, I probably wouldn't see it regardless. No, I'd probably wait for Netflix, maybe.

Yeah, right. So, I think I would enjoy this more than reading the book. Yeah, you're probably right. Look, I'm not saying it's going to be terrible, but it's not something I'm excited for. I do love that poster they released, though. Did you see that? Oh, he's got a really long leg.

He's got a really long leg. It's one of the worst screw-ups I've ever seen on a movie poster. Like that Lara Croft Tomb Raider velociraptor neck. Yeah, yeah. Like you could kind of go i guess that could be a person but this is just like his foot is like six feet long it's always shit it's incredible so there's an there's an excerpt on the about him like his his vehicle in the in the book and he's like i've got it's a delorean i've put ghostbusters stickers on the side and I've put a kit strip on the front

and I've got a bloody oscillation overthruster so it can fly through walls and it's just a pile on of references on this thing. Gotcha. First of all, if you've got the greatest car, what's the challenge? If you're just the guy who's piled on the most references. It's putting on God mode.

Yeah, but I also read a tweet and it was like, imagine if these were all girl references like imagine if somebody wrote this book and they're like uh yeah i'm in my poly pocket car and i'm and i've covered it in lisa frank uniform unicorn stickers and blah blah blah people will be like what is this garbage but apparently you can do it the other way around good Good. I'm glad, Mason. Me too. You know? Yeah. More power to us. That's what I say. Absolutely.

Mason, there might be some credence to your... Anyway, if you love this stuff, just enjoy it. Yeah, it's fine. Who cares what we think? Exactly. It doesn't matter. And that goes for all things. Now, Mason, this is... Might come in handy later in the episode.

Definitely. You had a theory postulating who was in the Iron Man suit for Avengers Infinity War yes this may be a spoiler for Avengers Infinity War everything's time coded below

so you're welcome to skip this your theory and I did a YouTube video on it as well or Matt made it I should say was that

thanks Matt when Thanos punches Iron Man that you didn't you thought it was Pepper Potts I think that's Pepper Potts, yeah. I'm not the only one who's theorized this, I think.

But you were the first. Maybe. And the last. You'll be the last, mate. Good, yeah. You'll kill the rest of them. Nice. But she posted an image to probably Instagram or Goop, I don't know.

It was probably in her Goop newsletter, yeah. Where she's got the mocap pants on. Yeah, right. Which kind of adds a little bit of credence to your theory. Imagine if they add a little credence to that scene. Creed or credence? Credence. Carry on my way.

That's Kansas. It's Kansas, but I appreciate. I just wanted to sing that song. I respect where you were going with that. Yeah, I don't really have anything else to say about that, but there we bloody go. There you go. I've kept the news light this week, Mason.

I hope you don't mind, because I know people want to get into Star Wars. We've got one more sponsor that was mentioned. Oh, yeah, nice. It's an old sponsor of ours, but it's an oldie but a goodie. Old very much a goodie. And it won't make you look old, it will make you look goodie and young, or the age you are, but you're in nice clothes.

Nice. That's a ringing endorsement if ever I've heard one. Well, I mean, if you could not suggest to the listeners that if they purchase these items, they will make you look physically younger because that would be weird. No, that's obviously not true. Right. And I would never say such a thing unless they paid me more money to do so.

Absolutely, then we would, yeah. We will tell lies for money. That's where we're going with this We should point out to people as well We turned down a lot of stuff Yes Like the stuff that we advertise for Is we carefully consider it over weeks

Yes Except for the Lenovo one Which was very late in the day But I'd already done it And I already like it or whatever You know what it is as well That was a kind of late thing But we turned down so many crap mobile games

Sure I've turned down so many crap mobile games. I've turned down lots of money to spruik universities in the US for film schools, which I'm like, I don't know this school. If I knew a little bit more about it, then I'd happily do it, but I don't want somebody to see. If one of our universities asked us, paid us to spruik their university,

if Ballarat University, did you go to Ballarat? I didn't go to spruik their university if ballarat university did you go to ballarat bendigo in ballarat one of the two unions i went to all right yeah okay because okay just on the university thing though because if i'm going to spruik a school or we're going to spruik a school first of all i need to know it kind of well enough because if somebody buys say a t-shirt it won't ruin their life with student debt so if i'm going to advertise something like that it's something that you really kind of want to you know really do your research on that yeah so yeah so just people know because i think i made an offhand comment on do go on that we did a couple of ads to buy the domain for planet broadcasting

or whatever everything we do is yeah something we believe in or also things that we think people might like. So if we end up doing an ad for a university, it probably means we went back to school Rodney Dangerfield style. That's the thing. I'm not even against that, but I just need to know more about it. Exactly, yeah. We've got to pledge a fraternity.

It was a lot of money. We've got to wear a toga. Yeah. Yeah. We've got to move into Star Wars. Let's burn through this. I'm not burning, mate. I'm going to have an in-depth conversation. No, you're on the clock. We've got three minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got to get, we got to move into Star Wars. Let's burn through this. I'm not burning, mate. I'm going to have an in-depth conversation.

No, you're on the clock. We've got three minutes. Okay. Here we go. Okay. Just quickly, let's talk numbers. Do you mind? No, let's go for it.

Okay. It's going to be probably the second biggest opening in the US history, the weekend. Wait, of Star Wars or ever? Of ever. Okay, wow. Of Force Awakens. Right. Force Awakens was the first movie in December to crack $100 million.

Hmm. Avatar did like $70 million, but then over time it did $5 billion, $2 billion or whatever it did. All right, okay. So they reckon it's going to settle around $215 million. Right. Ish. Which is, I mean, it could go higher or lower.

I think this movie might have a lot of repeat viewing. Yeah, exactly. I've seen it twice. Yeah. And I don't normally see things twice, but those are things I kind of wanted to... I think the most common comment I heard after watching it at midnight the other day was,

I think I have to see it again. Absolutely. So maybe that's their marketing trick now. Potentially, yeah. The critical reception initially, or even all the way through, it's very positive. The initial reviews were great and

all the reviews that have trickled in from then including mine have been really positive as well there's things that i don't like about it which we will talk about it but as far as fan reaction response goes it's very divisive isn't it though yeah it's crazy and there is a lot of kind of there's a lot of discussion in terms of uh these are the things i don't like about it and this is why i don't think it's a good film and etc but there's a lot of discussion in terms of uh these are the things i don't like about it and this is why i don't think it's a good film and etc but there's a lot of people just having a big old cry about it also yeah because of course you're not you're allowed to not like a thing or like a thing but just when the people like pack it and they're like i've had enough this is this isn't the star i've seen some t-shirts burned yeah like i mean i just you don't have to like a

thing and you cannot watch a thing thing. That's totally fine. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And also maybe like Star Wars Rebels, I don't really like that show. Like it's fine, but also it's not for me. Right. So I kind of sort of watch it sometimes. Who is it for?

I think it's more of a kids show. Okay, right. But not necessarily because there's also references and there's things in it that happen that it doesn't matter. I don't talk about Star Wars Rebels. It's good for kids. Good for what else? But then I look at Voltron,

I'm like, I wish it was more like Voltron Legendary Defender, which I think is broader in terms of appeal. But anyway, Mason, just quickly, with the screening I went to, I met a couple of cool dudes, one of them Dave Lee, who has his own YouTube channel, which people should check out.

Oh, yeah. He does a whole lot of- What did he pay you for that? He paid me so much money, Mason. $16,000 US. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He does a whole lot of reviews. What did he pay you for that? He paid me so much money, Mason. $16,000 US. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all he had on him.

But I took it. People should definitely check that out. But no, he does great reviews and things like that. I also met a couple of people who listen to the show, listeners to the show. Oh, terrific. Louis, and I think it was Andrew, but at the time I'm like,

I'm going to remember those two names, and now I'm fairly certain that the second one isn't Andrew so I'm sorry Andrew you missed out Andrew your name's Andrew now yeah uh are you gonna dispute the host of your favorite podcast but I that was really nice to meet yeah it was it was super cool uh I met uh I met uh Weekly Planet listener and uh Little Dumb Dumb Cub listener, Paul Squirter McWhirter. I'm not familiar with Paul. He's great.

He's a great guy. I need to listen to more Dumb Dumb. Yeah. It's a great show. All right. Mason, I've done an Easter egg video. You can check it out. It's very extensive.

Cool, man. It's crazy. But we're going to do non-spoilers and spoilers. That being said, if you don't know anything i recommend do not listen to any of this yeah correct for the rest of the show because we'll probably just drop in a spoiler drop it in it drop it in during the letters during what we're reading yeah that's it but mason at the risk of you spinning this back on me which you did last time for rogue one oh yeah what do you think the story was oh right hang See, this should be easy because there's an opening crawl at the front of the movie that

explains what happened previously. It's just because it picks up directly after Force Awakens. It's Force Awakens. Yeah, right. That's the story. Yeah. Like from everything that goes on from there. Yeah.

No Starkiller. The rebels are fleeing. Yeah. They're not the rebels. You know what I mean? The resistance. They're the rebels. It's yeah they're not the rebels you know what i mean the resistance they're the rebels it's fine i don't care if you can if people use those interchange no i think that's fine but people will get letters uh but and all anyway so ray went to luke sky we're gonna get trying things are up in the air the galaxy is in a state of turmoil turmoil yep big time

i liked it quite a bit what did you do think? Me too. I liked it a lot. See, I was hoping you'd hate it so we could kind of get into it. But maybe we'll like and hate different things. That's very possible. Also, I've got some tweets here from people who didn't like it that we can kind of discuss. And I've also written some points in them. Are they super aggressive? No.

I put the reasonable ones in. Good. Yeah. Okay. So did you think this, you were talking about this briefly before the show, you said a lot of the things that people might not like about this is that it doesn't necessarily answer the questions the way that you'd want those

questions answered. Yes. Is this something we should touch on more in spoilers? I think we should touch on more in spoilers, but I feel like prior to this in between force awakens. And now I think it's, it's been a solid year of... Two years. Has it been?

It's been two years. Well, it's been a solid year. There was a year of nothing. Definitely, yeah. Yeah, there's been two years of here's all the fan theories and as the filmmakers, you must pick one of these for each of the outcomes. You have to pick one outcome for each of these.

Yep. And I think in a lot of cases they did not pick any of those. And a lot of things that I thought would happen didn't. And I enjoyed that a lot. Me too. Because a lot of these things, as Luke Skywalker says in the trailer, they don't go the way that you'd think they'd go. Yeah, right.

And that happens multiple times throughout this movie. Do you think that was a fun, do you think maybe they put that into the trailer as a little preview of what's to come? I think potentially. I think it's just a good line to kind of throw into the trailer. Yeah, totally, right. But it's also, it was nice that...

But it'd be nice if Rian Johnson would just be like, I told you, didn't I? Yeah. It's in the trailer. Yeah. Did you not pick up on that? They have been saying that all along, that this is a different Star Wars and whatever and and a dinner darkest i'm not

really i think people have said this is going to be like empire and people were expecting empire strikes back i think the other problem is not this is not for everybody you can't please everybody because the force awakens was a was a rehash of things that had come before and this is vastly different in a lot of ways for a star wars film. And there's people that don't like rehashes and there's people that don't like things that are different than what they know or the expectations of certain characters, Luke Skywalker, for example, that weren't met. I've seen a lot of people say, this is not a Star Wars movie.

What do you think about that? It seemed like it was a Star Wars film. It had the music, it had the Millennium Falcon, it had a Luke Skywalker, there were some lightsabers porgs were back what else do you want exactly no i thought it was i definitely felt like a star wars film i think also and on the in terms of luke skywalker and i thought this and then i somebody said it online or maybe i read it first online and then i thought that i thought it first yes so basically uh the expectations of luke sky Skywalker were that he was to do a certain thing, right?

Yes. Which I was really happy with the way that went and the way that character goes. And we'll talk about it more in spoilers. But imagine, though, if you saw the prequel trilogy with Obi-Wan Kenobi and then you saw A New Hope. You'd be like, this is a horrible representation of the character of Obi-Wan Kenobi I love. Remember all the flips he used to do and all the adventures he went on? Exactly.

And then he just stumbled his way onto a ship and then got cut down in one of the worst lightsaber fights in history. If you look at it chronologically. Yes. But I think the expectations for Luke Skywalker were exceeded in terms of what that character did. Yeah.

Because, you know, we'll get into spoilers. Yeah, I think... Yeah. No, you're right. Yeah. Oh, it's subjective, Mason. You know, what a way to subjective, isn't it? Yeah.

Well, performances in general. Mark Hamill's great in this, right? He should be in more things. He should absolutely... But could he be in more things and not be Luke Skywalker? That's a good question. Do you know what I mean? Because he's in Kingsman and he's kind of funny and quirky but like could you put him in as this kind

of this old grizzled action star is that the kind of actor no i put him in a coen brothers film right yeah as i don't know what a man with a shotgun and a cowboy hat yes cowboy hat shotgun yeah absolutely yeah no definitely he's clearly got the range and ability and because over the years even though he hasn't been in a lot of mainstream stuff i mean he's been some of it more so than others you know depending on what you think of animation and whatnot he clearly has been crafting his acting skills yeah totally you know he hasn't just been and i had a complaint my complaint for for Carrie Fisher was in The Force Awakens was I didn't think it was a great performance a lot of the time

because she wasn't an actor anymore. She'd been writing for 20 years. That's true, yeah. She's a fantastic writer, but in terms of her performance here, I thought she was really great. And maybe that's a nostalgia thing in knowing now that she's gone, but I thought she was really good. What did you think?

I thought she was also good, yeah. Excellent. But, I mean, in the few scenes she was in sure this wasn't her movie no well the story was well she'd said that before she passed that the next movie was going to be princess leia's film but we'll talk about how they might handle that uh and next or how they did handle in this and how that's going to carry over in the next one what do you think of performances in general though mason what about your main characters your pin your pin your fin your po your ray no that's their that's their couple name pin and pin and fo yeah yeah what do you think

pretty good i think i think there was some there were a couple of uh secondary characters that i maybe didn't i wasn't entirely convinced of their character. I think because you've already also got to deal with the existing characters and the characters from Force Awakens, and then you're piling more characters on top of that. Maybe, yeah, things suffer in terms of... Yeah, but I think all the performances were good. I don't know. For me, a lot of it isn't about the performances yeah so much

it's what about adam drivers kylo ren oh he's good though isn't he yeah amazing he really is yeah he's just good at acting good at acting yeah is he handsome we don't know it's no way of knowing i think he is it was used to live about force Awakens commentary where a lot of that is us going, but he's not handsome in this scene. Yeah. But now he's very handsome. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, ugly.

Don't like him. It's how you light him. It's angles. I don't know what it is. Yeah. But he's very charismatic. That's true. And he's very believable.

Yeah. And I liked him a lot. And he also does, he can play innocent and naive well as well and you see kind of a little bit of that you know i don't kind of do i do kind of love but i kind of hate but maybe i just hate the character hux donald apparently it's pronounced like a donut but with an l oh don't know it's like yeah don't know it's like donald loge i guess it's just donal like donut you're like donut donut cleason okay good anyway, you don't like Donut Gleeson. No, no, but I think it's what I find, because you're supposed to, I think I'm expecting

him to be this Tarkin-esque character, but he's kind of an idiot. I think that's also the point. That's the thing. I think, that's I guess what I was trying to say earlier. I like his performance, but I think that character has been, he's been rewritten, I think, a little since the last one and now he's comic relief to some extent. Yeah, yeah. Like people make fun of him and throw him about and whatever.

Yeah. And do we have anything like that in any of the previous movies? No, because Vader just kills most of them. That's true, yeah. Maybe if you live long enough to see yourself become the comic relief in the Star Wars universe. Oh, yeah, that's true, yeah. Maybe that's how it goes.

to see yourself become the comic relief in the Star Wars universe. Oh, yeah, that's true, yeah. Maybe that's how it goes. Yeah, I don't recall anybody like that in the previous movies, but as a character, it sort of makes me wonder how did he get to the position he's in? Yeah. That, I guess, is an objection to that character. How did he get to the position he's in if he's cartoonishly dumb?

His dad was probably the previous Supreme Leader. Yeah, maybe. That's true. Yeah. I don't know. People have also made the comparison between these guys are more like the alt-right and the Imperials were the Nazis. So it's like the next wave. Right.

And they're kind of like you kind of try to present yourself in a way that's not coming across the way that you think it's coming across. You just look like a moron. So they're dangerous, but they're also dummies. Yeah. I get it. No, I understand. Maybe that's, I mean, I don't know whether that's intentional, but I can see how you can read it that way. How did you feel about the political allegories in this or the societal allegories?

I thought it was, I think parts of it were handled well and parts of it were, I didn't quite buy. I thought parts of it were handled well, but I think it, a lot of it dragged. And I think a lot of that could have been trimmed out. I think. Yeah. I think that whole,

I know exactly. I think a lot of it could be, it could have been trimmed out using various means, various writing tricks. And I don't think anybody would have. Various editing techniques. Editing techniques. I don't think anybody would have noticed.

Are you talking about a particular storyline? Yeah, sort of the middle act. Yeah, I completely agree. Because the complaints of this film for me is there was a point probably, I don't know, because it's long as well. It's an hour or so in and I'm like, where is this going? This needs to kick off. Yeah, right.

And then there's a tipping point. And you kind of know it when it happens. Yeah, right. And then it's just bananas. Yeah. I feel like Force Awakens had almost no. No, that was just go, go. Yeah.

There's a, there's a, there's a, there's a brief pause when we go to Maz Kanata's castle. Yeah. And that's about it. Do you think that's what people maybe don't like about this is you can, you have time during the film to stop and think about it. Maybe. Yeah. Because I found myself thinking about the film as I was watching it until it kicked off again force awakens yeah it doesn't take a breath

no is there breathing room in the like the original trilogy i think uh probably more so like empire i would say and probably jedi a little bit but probably not the first one in terms of a 1977 movie it's pretty yeah it's pretty brisk but there's a lot of downtime of like they're in the they're in that they're hiding in the asteroid field luke's training yeah exactly so i think there is but this seems like there's a lot of that do you think that do you think do you think there's a deliberate nod to those movies in this or do you think it's just i think there is in terms of splitting up the characters and maybe yeah that downtime in between but this is not a rehash of empire no in i mean there are elements i mean star wars so obviously there's certain things that you do.

Yeah, yeah. But I don't feel it was. A lot of it felt like Return of the Jedi. Yeah. Well, see, I've said this on all the podcasts I've been on prior to this, that my assumption with this one is that it was just going to be like Empire and it was going to be we're going to end on, you know, Empire Strikes Back style cliffhanger.

Certain things are going to roll out exactly like Empire Strikes Back. Yeah. And then we're going to, then we're all going to wait a year or two years or whatever it is. And then there'll be a thrilling conclusion. A thrilling conclusion. But one, I thought that this didn't roll out. I love the fact that it didn't roll out exactly the way we thought it was going to.

And also I felt, I feel like this movie also presented to some degree a complete movie. I think it feels like the end in a lot of ways. I think if they went, hey, you know what, we've decided this is a good conclusion. We're not going to end. We're not going to do an episode nine. On some level, I'd be like, yeah i think this this finished it off in a satisfying way and i feel like the the original star wars plays that way because even though because obviously there's still villains at the end of this film i mean that's not a spoiler

who's to say which ones are left and which ones aren't but darth vader spins off into the into space yeah i mean the death star's gone tarkin's gone but the empire still empire's still there so i i agree and i think uh we're not we're talking about spoilers you you were you went Death Star's gone, Tarkin's gone. But the Empire's still there. The Empire's still there. So I agree. And I think, we'll talk about it in spoilers. You went on Do Go On and you talked about Star Wars. I did. I can't remember if you said or not, was the original Star Wars, was it always intended that the original Star Wars was going to have sequels? It was going to have sequels.

Or is that something he said? We planned sequels and the way it kind of played out, he wrote, there was a sequel book called Splinter of the Mind's Eye, which we've talked talked about which is going to be the low budget sequel he was going to make if he couldn't do empire yeah right because there's no harrison we've done a video on it you can check it out uh in the caravan of garbage also a very special caravan of garbage coming this tuesday with a comic ben's sorting that out at the moment eric chen's doing some animations very nice kind of it's coming together real well uh i don't think all the jokes land oh let's talk about that yeah this movie was very quippy but also empire is quippy not quippy empire is funny this is more quippy and it

definitely doesn't always work it doesn't always land there are some elements in i think we might have to keep them to spoilers but there's one there's a this basically starts with a with a gag yeah it starts with a run Goes for a little too long. But also people were like, well, that's not Star Wars, is it? This thing that happens. But I think it's very, I think an almost identical thing happens in the first Star Wars. The original original. Yeah.

Yeah. New Hope. When Darth Vader's like, what are you doing? And she's like, you suck. No, no. Or when C-3PO's like, we're doomed. No, the bit where they're in the brig. Where were they? They're in the- Do you mean the Force Awakens? No, no. Or was C-3PO like, we're doomed? No, the bit where they're in the brig. Where were they?

They're in the- Do you mean the Force Awakens? No, I'm talking about A New Hope. We're in the holding cells, and Han's like, everything's fine down here. Oh, I thought you meant the opening was the same, the opening joke. Oh, no, no, no. I meant like the- Yes.

Okay, yeah, sure. Where he's like, you know, and people are like, oh, the humor isn't the same. But I feel like in The New Hope, when he's like, we just had a blast in Malfunction. Everything's fine. Everything's cool. Don't you worry. That's a good parallel, Mason. I think a lot of people, and I think in some instances they're right,

I think people are like, these are very modern day jokes. Like they're jokes from 2017. Yeah. Like modern people on earth would all think were funny yeah but they wouldn't they don't really work in a context of a long time ago in a galaxy far far away okay yeah but there are some jokes that exist in context in the movies that we might get to if i remember which which do work i think another thing i didn't particularly love was uh there was a very wonky looking puppet at one point, which I can't spoil.

Sometimes good, sometimes not. There was a chase sequence in the section of the film I didn't love that felt very Revenge of the Sith, more Attack of the Clones,

CGI running about, which I did not care for. Also, it was kind of pointless. That whole bit's very prequel-y for me yeah but I think also that being said

a lot of people love the prequels and if they were like listen this is a nod to all the people who grew up on those movies and thought they were great I guess I liked the look it's the casino

alright there's a scene in a space casino yeah but I didn't mind the setting I just didn't think what they did with it was very interesting like I like the opulence and the world building space casino yeah but i didn't mind the setting i just didn't think what they did with it was very interesting like i like the opulence and the world building but i also find it weird how there'll be a little cgi like man running about and he's drunk and whatever and then there's a

very unconvincing puppet right i don't think i think in trying to do both sometimes they they don't mesh well together right like your mas Kanata's in the castle full of actual animatronics and puppets doesn't always not mesh. And then you've got like the Crystal Foxes, which are in the trailer, which I think were a mixture of animatronic and CGI, I think do work. Yeah, I think so. But I think there's still some blending of old school techniques and new that are weird. And I think the P porgs look a lot like puppets a lot of the time right and i'm completely indifferent i didn't i'm glad they were in it as little as they were yeah i was also indifferent to the family um whatever yeah they weren't they

weren't the new jar jar yeah but they all and but yeah exactly they were they weren't even really they weren't awoks they just to sell things or whatever, I assume, which is whatever. What about in terms of action sequences? Because it's pretty light in the middle. Yep. But I overall really, really enjoy it. They are spectacular, I think. Yeah.

I think, though, the best-looking Star Wars film, not the best Star Wars film, definitely, but Rogue One is the best-looking Star Wars film. In terms Not the best Star Wars film. Okay. Definitely. But Rogue One is the best looking Star Wars film. In terms of getting the period era. Getting the period right. Making, yeah, just, it feels, I don't know, I feel like this was more kind of, like the X-Wings feel more CGI and in Rogue One somehow they feel like models, but not. And I don't know whether it's just because of the design

of that particular era that that film's set in, but I feel there's a kind of a weight to those that you don't get all the time in, say, Force Awakens. Was Rogue One a lot cheaper than the other ones? I don't think so. I think it was expensive in terms of trying to make it look like. Yeah, right. Yeah.

I'm not saying this looks bad. It looks fantastic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Krayt in particular is great. Oh, yes. Even though I'm only saying so looks bad it looks fantastic yeah yeah Crate in particular is great even though I'm only saying so I get it

but I don't think you can beat that like especially that third act of Roadman in terms of how it looks and the sheer scale of it is incredible yeah right

should we do some spoilers because we can't really talk action sequences because a lot of them play into the characters which is really good isn't it fair?

So can we go spoilers? Let's go spoilers. I'm going to say best movie ever. I'm also going to say best movie ever. And you know what? If you think it's the worst movie ever, I understand that. I get where you're going with that. Yeah, I totally get it too, yeah.

See, I saw it a second time because there were things about it that I didn't like, but I came out of it really enjoying it. So I thought, am I riding high on this? So I went back in, and even the bits where bits were dragged it didn't drag as much because I kind of knew where it was yeah right I'm not saying I enjoyed it more the second time but I came out going oh no I really like this I think this is great I've heard people say oh this is Phantom Menace syndrome where we're all thinking we're all gonna say it's five stars and then in a couple years like we're gonna

be like no actually it was terrible and we're such idiots. I don't think so. But I thought Phantom Menace was terrible at the time. You did, yeah. And also I... Also there wasn't the immediate backlash. I think backlash is getting closer and closer to the film's release. Yeah, right.

Because Force Awakens took a few weeks. Rogue One was a little bit less and this was instant. Instant, yeah. Nobody hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans are. That's absolutely true. But also I think the backlash here is instant instant instant yeah uh nobody hates star wars like star wars fans that's absolutely true but i think but but also i think the the backlash here is instant because people had this visceral reaction to yes anyway let's get into spoilers yeah uh where does it rank for you how about that

oh a lot of people are putting it right down the bottom i like it a lot i'm gonna put it uh gosh it's my favorite of the new ones, definitely. For me, Rogue One is fine. I like a lot of Force Awakens, but this is... Yeah, okay. I think it's also superior to Force Awakens. Yeah. But obviously it can't exist without Force Awakens. Exactly, yeah.

And Force Awakens is a great technical tool for the reasons we've mentioned multiple times. Yep. Remember, mate. And also, bearing in mind, you can change your opinion at any point. That's true, I can, yeah. I might even change it next week. Yeah, mate. And also, bearing in mind, you can change your opinion at any point. That's true, I can, yeah. I might even change it next week.

Yeah, exactly. Or as soon as we finish recording this. It's fine. People out there, you can like it now and not like it later. It's actually fine to do that. Yeah, that's right. That's what people don't seem to be able to get. Like, in a number of years' time, I might watch Batman v Superman again

and be like, oh, yeah, I enjoyed that. Yeah, right. I won't. But you might. I might, though, and it's fine. Yeah, absolutely. I think, I don't know, because I... I'm okay to go in five years go, oh, yeah, I thought Last Jedi was great

at the time, but now I think it's good or worse or better or... Yeah, and I guess it also depends what's come next. Yeah. And, like, maybe the next one will be even better and it makes this one look like shit. Yeah, exactly. Which, I don't know, has that ever happened in a movie? It's made the next one will be even better and it makes this one look like shit. Yeah, exactly. Which I don't know. Has that ever happened in a movie?

It's made the previous one look really bad. Probably not. Probably not. Yeah. But yeah, exactly. Opinions, opinions can change. And that's why I don't like review scores is because if you say, if you give something a 10 out of 10 and then you give a different thing,

say you give Iron Man a 10 out of 10, but you also give, I don't know, Trainspotting a 10 out of 10. They're not the same, obviously. Like you won't enjoy one the way that you enjoy the other. I mean, they're both films about sad drug addicts, aren't they? Yeah. Sad drug addicts who should get what's coming to them. That's right.

They're both about sad men who cocoon themselves in a bloody robot suit. Correct. You know? Yeah. Like in Trainspotting. Yeah. All right, anyway, spoilers. And they climb into a toilet.

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Okay, spoilers. What do you want to talk about first? Let's talk about, okay, so what I'm saying is from the start, there's the scene where bloody Poe Dameron's like, hey, I can't hear you. What's going on? And he's making fun of Hux. Yeah.

I think a lot of people were like... I think Gru Hux sideburns in between films. Yeah, maybe. And I think a lot of people were like, well, that's a bit modern. That's not Star Wars. Star Wars isn't funny in that way. Right.

But again, I think it is. There's that scene in A New Hope. I agree, but I think it went to the bit where it's like, your mother, bloody this and that. Right, okay. That's why I was like, you probably pushed this a little too far. Right, okay. This could have been a shorter joke.

Sure. I think the way that it opens The Force Awakens, where he does that little joke that you talk first, i talk first yeah i think that's enough sure i think he did enough of those kind of moments before but i think he just pushed it a little too far do you think he's going to open episode nine with a joke maybe that's going to be the new thing that's going to be the thing speaking of the new thing i think a lot of people are upset because they're the characters they love to being sidelined, right? They lost Han in the previous one, and in this one we're losing Luke. But is anyone really gone?

Are they ever gone? No, because, well, first of all, he's going to be a force ghost, obviously. So he's not gone. And obviously we're going to have to lose Leia at some point. Yes. But, I mean, what are they going to do? Are we going to have another trilogy where they're back again? Yeah, exactly.

another trilogy where they're back again. Yeah, exactly. What I liked about this movie is that, first of all, there was a... We all had to admit that not everybody in this universe is special, but also that there are other people in this universe other than the heroes from the original trilogy. There's more people than Han, Leia and Luke. There's other people who can step up and be heroes.

And that's the conclusion that even Luke Skywalker himself reaches at the end. Yeah. Spoiler alert. You've seen this. We're in spoilers. We're still in spoilers, guys. I think he could have lived, but also when he died, I was like, that sucks to see him go.

Yeah. But I thought it was a really fitting conclusion to that character. What do you think people wanted from that character? Well, I think because when it turned out that his big action sequence was kind of a fake I thought it was a really fitting conclusion to that character. What do you think people wanted from that character? Well, I think because when it turned out that his big action sequence was kind of a fake out, people were upset. But I thought it was a really clever way around the limitations of what that character had become. Because to go right back to the start, when Rey finds him,

it becomes very quickly apparent that he's not who he used to be. He hates himself. He doesn't want to train anybody. He's gone to this island to die. When they have a fight, physically, he's not a match for Rey. And even though he has kind of shut himself off from the force. I think if he really went to face Kylo Ren, he'd be dead in a second. Yes.

So I think what it did, he even says, look, I'm not Luke Skywalker. I'm not the guy who's going to stand in front of the Empire and tear everybody down. He ends up doing that. Yes. But in a way that he's actually capable of and through the Force. And I like the fact that he didn't, that A, we saw a new power that the Force can do. Also, that's in Rebel. So it's not a new thing

in terms of that. Okay, but also like that, yeah, like we, it was a creative way to do it and I don't know, I've lost my train of thought,

but you know, yeah. Well, for me it was, and maybe you're going to say this, maybe you weren't, Mason. Oh, yeah. He couldn't be, the way they wrote the character, and maybe you could write it

so he was this, he couldn't be the Luke Skywalker of legends that everybody thought he was and that he thought he was. But in his last moment and sacrifice, he was able to be the Luke Skywalker from legend one last time. Right, right. He got one last kind of showdown. And it's going to be this moment that everybody in the galaxy remembers,

the time that fucking Luke Skywalker stood up to Kylo Ren and the fleet of First Order ships and, in a sense, won. And so that character is going to be remembered as a legend. He got to have that final Luke Skywalker heroic moment, but not in the way that he's going to do a CGI flip like Count Dooku. See, exactly, that's it. Yeah, I mean, if he'd shown up, like, and we got him, you know, the illusion that he had these, you know,

that he had these fighting skills and he's, like, dipping under the lightsaber and things like that. Yeah. But if he'd been given, like, a Yoda style, I don't think that would work for the character at all. If he is doing flips and, that, and obviously that isn't. I mean, he does a little spin. He does a little spin, but the idea, like imagine him doing, you know,

leaping up to a high platform or doing anything that any of the characters do in the prequels. Yeah. That'd be embarrassing. Yeah. I don't, I don't think it works in the prequels and I don't think it would work now. It also doesn't work for Luke Skywalker because he was never like that yeah right i mean i even though he was a great and powerful jedi yeah i don't really think he was yeah i mean if

you look at him and anakin yeah there's a big difference in abilities true yeah and maybe that was because he wasn't trained as from such a young age i think the strength of luke skywalker skywalker was in the resolve and the choices that he made, not how many flips he could do. Exactly, and I think that's what I was going to say. What I liked about this final scene was that he did display like this vast power, but it wasn't, here's the vast power of me doing martial arts cartas by myself and swinging a sword for the last 30 years.

It was me just becoming one with the universe in whatever way that was. And now I can- Whatever happened. Now I can, exactly. Now I can transfer my mind across the universe. I thought that was really interesting. Absolutely.

I just, I loved that he got, and even as a form of redemption for the character, he got one more chance to be Luke Skywalker. Yeah. That he remembers himself being and what the audience remembers him being. I also like that his mind has a certain vanity to it in the sense that when he projects himself across the galaxy,

he's Luke Skywalker from a decade ago probably. Was that the first? Did you twig that? That was my first thought. See, that's the thing. I should have twigged, but I didn't i thought i was like his beard's darker he's had a haircut yeah right he stopped for a haircut he stopped for a haircut and even he stopped for a haircut springfield monorail style exactly but the thing is i was so kind of wrapped up and maybe

this sounds like a real like a fanboyed out or whatever but i was so wrapped up in the fact that he'd come back and he throws a wink to c-3po and he says goodbye to leia and he just waltzes out i was so wrapped up in the in like in all that that i didn't catch it and i think and i should have caught it because it's so obvious because also the light as soon as it was over i'm like they didn't touch lightsabers his feet didn't make a scuff in the ground yeah right like it's so fucking obvious yeah but i'm such a dummy that i that i missed it i initially thought that he was gonna because he when he arrived what's the planet called crate i thought initially he was gonna appear in his x-wing which in retrospect we see the x-wing so we see the x-wing and i'm like well maybe that's his his chance to be red five again yeah well that i think that would have worked as

well but i think you need something lightsaber related. Yeah, totally. Also, the lightsaber was destroyed. Like, there were so many things that happened that I should have seen it. And I only saw it after he got swiped through the middle. I'm like, I'm an idiot. I should have seen this.

But that was great. I thought that was such a... Completely agree. And again, like, the idea that by you know the the third act kicks off and i'm like i don't know where this is gonna go i don't know who's gonna live yeah i don't know i thought finn was gonna die yeah right yeah there was absolutely like there was the the when he's making the death and i would have been okay with it if he did yeah i mean it would have been pointless anyway right if he did. Yeah. I mean, it would have been pointless anyway. Right. But yeah, it really felt like he was going to die.

And that really, again, even though this feels like a satisfying conclusion, now in this next one, I'm like, who will live and die in this? I don't even know. Maybe we'll talk about the future towards the end. I think, okay, I know a lot of people have had problems, and I understand. It's that the one scene in particular where Holdo, who's played by Laura Dern, who, by the way, is great.

Yeah, right. I really came around on that character. Leia gets in an accident, which we'll talk about. So she's out of commission. So the fleet is taken over by Holdo, Laura Dern. Holdo. Good old Holdo. And Poe Dameron is led to believe that she's just running them out of fuel

until they're all going to die. She's just a ticker tape bureaucrat who's just bloody pushing some pencils until they die. But she had a plan to evacuate to Crait, which Finn and Rose really screw up, which we'll talk about in a minute. Yeah, right. And people are saying that she should have told Poe Dameron. And what do you think?

Yes. Right. But I also understand why she didn't, because he got a lot of people killed at the start of the film. Oh, yeah, for sure, yeah. I think she saw him as the way that Leia saw him a lot of the time. And they've actually been doing this in the Poe Dameron comic, where he's too hot-headed.

He's not a leader. He's just a pilot. Yeah, right. And also maybe there's a spy on board. Yeah, right. There's any number of things that that could have that could have happened and i understand why i mean yeah it would have solved a lot of things wouldn't have happened but i also think this movie was about failure yeah and yoda even

says that to luke when he comes back weird looking puppet right right but he says you know the lesson you didn't learn his failure is okay and i think that's i don't think that look it looked that weird but all right i thought it looked real weird sometimes but i think that's such an important lesson not just in star wars but in in life that it's okay to fail to make failures because you you learn from that yeah and i think i mean all the all the bomber pilots didn't learn from that they did no exactly and so i do have a problem yeah i think you're right in the sense that like and i think that first action sequence was designed to show that in some way he gets results,

but one or two more skirmishes like that and everybody is dead. Yeah. And to, to go actually what we're going to do is we're going to, we're going to make it over here. He'd be like, all right, well I'll let's take the whole fleet out and let's,

let's get out there and I'll hold them off. And then they would all die or whatever. So that's exactly it. So I understand. She should have told him, obviously, but I understand why she didn't. And also that's the implication that everybody in this universe is perfect. Exactly, yeah. Why does she necessarily have to have the perfect?

A lot of people I think they're like, okay, well, you get yourself an admiral character. have to have the perfect in a lot of people i think they're like okay well you have this this you get yourself an admiral character they are either going to be noble and perfect in every way every way or they're going to be a like a cowardly traitor yeah like there's there's it's just the binary and there's no way in the middle but i like the idea that she is a noble she wants she wants to she is a noble servant of the rebellion. She wants this to happen. But also she doesn't always make the right decision all the time. Yeah, exactly.

It's okay. I mean, she did this time. Yeah. But I also thought, and Claire talked about this after the film, you got the sense of friendship between her and Leia. Yeah. And you don't really get that in a film in terms of like two kind of older female characters.

It's like a lot of young hot shots or whatever. Do you think they were a couple? I don't think they were a couple. They knew each other as kids or whatever. Okay, all right. Yeah. I really got the sense when they were saying goodbye, even though I'm like, I've never seen this character before and I didn't like her from this film up until the reveal.

Yeah. I really got a sense of that they did know each other and this was a really good sacrifice. Okay, now let's talk about things flying through space sure speaking of leia and holdo oh like okay like leia flying through space what do you think about i think in principle it makes sense yep in execution one of the dumbest things i've ever seen sure right i think imagine if it was she was unconscious and she slowly willed herself back. Not like this Mary Poppins fly through the air. I mean just like a slow, like the way the X-Wing drifted out of the swamp.

Do that. Or even like, yeah, you could have the debris. I think if you just had the debris floating around and some of it's going off into space and some of it's going this way and you just have her float and it looks like she's drifting off into space and then you change the angle and then she goes through the door and it closes and you see maybe her hand that she's doing it or whatever or not even that that just but then would people be like was it luke or whatever i think you'd have to indicate that it was her right okay i don't know i don't know maybe that's just i don't know i don't even

know if you have to do that okay don't do it i've changed I've changed my mind. Great, good stuff. I haven't. I'm with you. But obviously the implication is she, like her brother, is Force-sensitive to some degree. Maybe she's had some training in intervening 30 years. Maybe she hasn't. Maybe she's just spent some time meditating. I mean, clearly they've gone different ways.

And even they've said that in The Force Awakens where they kind of fell back on the things they were good at. Han went to smuggling. Luke did Jedi stuff stuff in exile she set up the new republic so she didn't train but you can have the force and not be a jedi yes so i was fine with the powers i just thought it looked it was a very odd execution wasn't it yeah or even just even just like an like she's she's floating and it looks like she's going to miss the door. Yeah. Like the explosion just sent her in this direction.

It looks like she's going to miss the door. And then she just nudges and then she goes through. I think that would be. Maybe she springs off Ackbar's corpse. Yeah, I was going to say, my one note, because after watching it, I thought about making some notes for the steel wars podcast and my one note just says in all caps akbar and then a sad emoji because they just knocked him off yeah but he's dead the the voice actor ah yeah but you know

this anybody could go i mean i i love admiral akbar that my first ever star wars action figure that's how i got introduced to to Wars was through Admiral Ackbar, but it was his time, man. That's right. What are you going to do? Ackbar's not Vakbar. Again, one more shout out to Ackbar's ads, which is on YouTube, which is a series of ads by a guy called Asterios who makes just,

who got a hold of an Ackbar mask and just makes bizarre ads with it. It's from a few years ago. They're all great. Good, good good good what i thought was uh i'm talking about failures yes finn and rose got so many people from the rebellion from the resistance whatever you want to call it fleet killed yes by going on this ridiculous mission yes that in a set in essence did nothing but harm. Sure, right. And I go, this is again about failure.

But that story for me was too long to not really have the kind of payoff that they probably thought it was going to have. Yeah, right. Did you feel the same way? Yeah, and the whole thing, it was a bit. I don't even, I like those characters, but I didn't really care about that adventure. Yeah, right.

Did you think, what about where they were in love or whatever? Look, I think props to them for having a diverse love situation but i also think that they didn't i thought it was a weirdly non-committal romance okay because when you when i think of like somebody there's a romance in a star wars movie the music swells and then there's some sort of danger and then they just... It's really dramatic and they like... Sometimes it's done really well and the other time they did it, it's done really poorly. Yep, precisely.

But in this, I think they were like, look, we can't... There's always a lot of passion to it, I think. Yeah. And I think in this, it was just kind of like... It was odd. Perfunctory. It was a little perfunctory.

Maybe if they didn't do the kiss. Yeah, maybe. It was just like, you know, you got to hold on to things you love. And then they hold up, do it for the next film. But I think maybe it's an issue of like, they went, I think maybe, because a lot of, an assumption has been that it was, that Poe and Finn were going to get together. There's always been that. Yeah, right.

And I think they were like, world's not ready for that. Let's do like a, like multi-racial romance right but then they're like but if we really go for it people are still going to be upset so i think they just went this is this is what we're going to give you okay right yeah and again i think that i think this this movie was great for the the the diversity of like races and gender and body shapes. Even the Imperials have Asians now. Great. You notice that?

Yeah. I was like, wow. Yeah, nice. No aliens, but you know. No, well, baby steps. Yeah. What else are we going to talk about in this? Yeah, I just thought, okay, so on the Finn and Rose thing,

they go to this casino plan. I liked DJ as a character. I liked Justin Theroux was in it really briefly. Was he? Oh, yeah. He was the other gambler. Oh, I liked. Justin Theroux was in it really briefly. Was he? Oh, yeah. He was the other gambler. Oh, I see. Right.

But I liked DJ's take on it where he was kind of, you know, when he escapes, when DJ leaves and he's like. Is that the character's name? DJ, yeah. He probably had another name, but it's DJ, yeah. Wait, who's DJ again? The slicer guy. The guy.

Benicio Del Toro. Yeah, the lando guy who doesn't come good right okay sure yeah totally right but here's my question what would have happened if they hadn't parked their ship illegally on the beach maybe it would have been fine they would have just found the regular guy yeah and been like hey can you crack this and it would have been like sure thing and then it would have been all maybe they still would have got caught on the other end or whatever. Maybe, that's true. But I also thought when they... And they didn't get a slicer, then they get in a weird horse race, which I did not care for.

Me neither. And then they go back to their ship and it gets blown up. Were they just going to leave? What was their plan from there? Go back to the fleet and go, we didn't do anything. That's how missions go sometimes. Yeah. I don't know. I just thought that was ridiculous. was their plan from there go back to the fleet and go we didn't i guess so yeah do anything that's how missions go sometimes yeah i don't know i just thought that was ridiculous i mean and then they're like we really we we really got those those rich those rich bloody uh you know arms

dealers or whatever did you yeah right i don't own the casino they're just at the casino yeah exactly yeah give a shit exactly and there was a oh, you know, they've sold weapons to both sides. It was a bit heavy-handed. I don't know. That bit I didn't mind. I liked the DJ. Benicio Del Toro. It was all about.

I was sitting next to Demi Lardner at the screening and she leaned into me and she was like, serious question, is that Brad Pitt? And she was so convincing that I'm like, maybe it was Brad Pitt. Is that Brad Pitt? And she was so convincing that I'm like, maybe it was Brad Pitt. Is that Brad Pitt? I don't know. But yeah, look, I like the fact that we didn't know

which way he was going to go for a lot of it and he flipped back and forth. Is he going to be a character in the next one then? I'd say potentially, yeah. Okay. I thought he was going to Lando it. Yeah, right. I thought he was going to be in that AT-ST.

Yeah, right. It was BB-8 or whatever. Who else can we talk about then? BB-8, Captain Phasma. can we talk about then? BB-8. Captain Phasma. Let's talk about Captain Phasma. She's Baxma. I thought it was fine.

I don't know why people were expecting so much from this character when they gave so little in the last one. Yeah, right. I mean, she got a fight scene and then she fell into fire. I'm okay with that. It's not the dumbest way a character in cool armor has gone out in the Star Wars film. She's not a major player. She could still probably come back if they really wanted to.

Yeah. Whatever. Here's a theory. Captain Phasma, just a head. So if they want to, they just like, because her armor is...

Do they have just a head technology? Maybe. Maybe she could come back and she's just got a scar where the hole in the mask is. Yeah, maybe. It's all burnt. She's got a really bad sunburn over that one eye that you can see. It's like Bowie makeup or something.

But I like the idea that her body's gone beyond repair. They just plug her head under another body. Under a spider. Yeah, exactly. Do you think she'll be back? Look, she fell into a big pit of fire. Yeah, and maybe out into space? I'm going to say no, she won't be back. Yeah, do you think she'll be back? Look, she fell into a big pit of fire. Yeah, and maybe out into space? I'm going to say no, she won't be back.

Yeah, I don't think so either. I think you could. It's like a Boba Fett Sarlacc thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a good chance that she could come back. I'm sad because I very much enjoy the red carpet photos of Gwendolyn Christie and Poe Dameron together because he's like my height and she's like 6'4 or whatever.

I think that's fun. Absolutely. Okay. You know what I really liked? What's that? I really liked what they didn't do with Snoke or did do and they ended really quickly. Yeah, yeah.

They march her into the throne room. He just reels off the Emperor's greatest hits of yeah right cliche evil villain lines i thought he looked way better yep the gold robe was dumb but i think it was kind of like look at the opulence of this idiot sure that's the way i took it uh and he's just kind of like you'll never do this and i'm this and i'm one step ahead or whatever and then they just cut him in half yeah and i loved me too that was the tipping point for me and when you see his body slide off and she catches the lightsaber and then they're back to back yep incredible i agree probably the best moment in the film yep i mean the luke skywalker stuff

was pretty good but yeah i really enjoyed that did you like it when luke skywalker dusted off his shoulder that was very cool it's good yeah, yeah. That was nice. There was no dust there, though. That's true. He wasn't really there. They didn't know what was going on. Also, because me not knowing, me not tweaking that it wasn't really him, I just thought,

oh, he could have probably got a shield power. Yeah, right. So I didn't really... Well, that's the thing. That's how they get you. Were you like, oh, he's a hologram man? Yes, because I'm like...

Because I'm like, how did his beard get darker? Like it got trimmed down and it was dark. I'm like, well, there's something up here. Yeah. So I just thought, because I'm an idiot, that, oh, he trimmed it. Maybe it's not as gray underneath. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah, sure.

Ridiculous. Rejuvenating. Yeah. He probably possibly had some kind of, yeah. But no, I, yeah. Anyway, throne room scene. Great stuff. Yeah, really good.

Super solid. And I think that was the... That was the anything can happen moment. That was the anything can happen moment. And that's also the action sequence where I'm like, well, you can't really top this with a Luke Skywalker action sequence because he's never fought like this. And again, it'd be very bizarre to see him.

Yeah, it'd be very bizarre to see him fight like that yeah exactly because they fight like people in this new film fight people who haven't really been like luke skywalker was trained with like the kendo two hand yeah and they're just kind of like fencing yeah it's more like fencing and they're kind of just more you know kind of wailing about and they're but they're stronger and they're faster and they're also keyed into the force in some way. Yeah, in ways that the previous generation wasn't necessarily. It's like kids and their Snapchats, you know what I mean? Exactly.

Did you think Kylo Ren was going to flip back again at the end? Because I thought, oh, is he a good guy now? And then I liked the reveal of, no, he did this because he just wants to be in charge of everything. Yeah, I don't know where I was going to go. That's why I liked it. Yeah, but did you like that reveal, though? Yeah.

I am concerned. We'll talk about the next film in a bit. Ray's parents. Yep. Rian Johnson has said that it's definitive, like Kylo Ren wasn't lying. That's the information that he has, that her parents were just junkers and drunks or whatever.

But I think they have left the door open to it be someone else's. I don't think they should. Yep. I mean, there's a way to make that work, but I'm a hundred percent. Okay.

With being like Snoke doesn't matter. Yeah. Right. Where race from doesn't matter. Yeah. I think that's great because I think a problem with force awakens was the whole thing was built around a mystery box and star wars except for that empire strikes back twist which people weren't looking for has never been about mysteries

yes and when you build a franchise around people wanting to know the answers to questions you're never going to get the result that you want which is evident from the backlash to the way some of these things played out yeah right i don't think star wars should be about whose parents are who and who's what and who's from where i don't think it should be about mystery it should be about characters and amazing action set pieces and music and throwing rocks yeah i also think that they handled the reveal very well in the sense that he was like you know who they are nobody yeah right he wasn't you know who they were obi-wan kenobi like imagine if he said that yeah exactly in that exact line

and they both looked at the camera yeah I think there's a very real possibility and then he appeared as a force ghost and then it's me exactly yeah I think there's a very real

it was Ewan McGregor and Alec Guinness they appear as separate oh that was going to be in the cave sequence they're both there and they reenact because they're her parents and then they re-enact her conception as force ghosts that's what's that's what happens there that's what don't bring back Tarkin bring back Alec Guinness in a sex scene with Ewan McGregor thank you finally yeah uh where else yeah and in the in the original trilogy ultimately nobody cared who the Emperor was.

He was just the guy in charge. He was the bad guy in charge. But I think the problem is, and I can see why people are upset, is because they made this mystery box of who is this guy. Yeah. And I genuinely think

that the reveal of Rey's parents and what was going to happen to Snoke, I mean, who is he even? I don't even care. Yeah, right. I think they left it open to play with it. I? I don't even care. Yeah, right. I think they left it open to play with it. I don't think they really knew. Maybe they

filmed even multiple versions of this where he was Obi-Wan Kenobi! Maybe they did. Yeah. But I think that's a mistake to set up these mysteries. It's a stupid idea. Right, right, right. And I'm glad they just got rid of him. Same. Yeah. So good. And i love it because it

upsets me i know that's also what i enjoy about it i mean who really i mean snoke i didn't give a shit about snoke in the previous film aside from who is this guy so cut him in half i don't give a shit yeah right yeah i mean he could be darth plagues he could be from another galaxy some people have theorized that we're doing it again. Some people, apparently there are four sages in the distant past of the Star Wars universe. And he's got the ring. He's one of those, right? Fine.

There's also that mural in Luke Skywalker's meditation room, and it looks like Snoke, and it's black and white. You don't really get a good look at it. So people are like, is he the first Jedi or whatever? We'll probably get an answer at some point, but ultimately, who cares? Right, exactly. Yeah. And again, it's going to upset all the...

It's going to make the people who had that theory happy, and it's going to make everyone else upset that they didn't nail it. I mean, I thought Rey was Kenobi. I thought Snoke was Plagueis or whatever. I don't give a shit. I'm glad I was surprised. Yeah, me too. Ultimately.

All right. What else? Look, lanyard related. Yes. Obviously, my theory that Luke's initial meeting with Rey was going to result in him pushing Rey off the cliff and then some of her training was going to be getting, you know, back from the top of the cliff, which I think it came pretty close.

Did you think it was going to happen? Yes. I'm not sure what had happened. Yes. What if she dived off after the lightsaber and had to come back? Would you have said that's a win for you? No. Okay.

No. You're an honorable man. Yeah, exactly. But I think the fact that he just chucked the lightsaber over his shoulder, I think that was... You know what? People were also upset because, why would he treat it like that or whatever?

Because he hates all this shit. Yeah. Because it ruined his life. Exactly, yeah. He was having a fun time? Because he hates all this shit. Yeah. Because it ruined his life. Exactly. Yeah. He was having a fun time on a moisture farm drinking blue milk. Yeah. Now he's got to drink green milk out of a weird alien boob. Yeah.

That was so weird. Yeah. That whole sequence was so weird. That sequence was quite prequel-y, I felt. Yeah. Yeah. What was that? I mean, I also kind of like it because it was so weird.

I'm like, what a weird thing to include. But I think it was just to be like it because it was so weird. I'm like, what a weird thing to include. But I think it was just to be like, oh, he's crazy and alone. And this is just him day to day. And I also like, yeah. And also the idea that you can't rely on him for anything here. Yeah. Like, why are you wasting your time?

I like how he's just drinking the milk like, what? Yeah, right. This is what I do every day. What do you want from me? But I think people are also upset that I had a thing in my head and I've forgotten what it was. But no, I read an article and I'm really annoyed that I read it because I was really good at avoiding spoilers. Oh, this was just before you watched it? This was just before I watched it.

I can't remember what website it was, but it was like, this is what Luke Skywalker thinks when Rey hands him the lightsaber. And I'm like, oh, it'll just be like an internal monologue from the book where he's like, oh my God. Oh, so you didn't think it was a joke thing? No, and then it was like, yeah, he throws it over his head and i'm like why the fuck that's not what he thinks that's what he that's what happens yeah time for me to throw this over my shoulder so then i was like i shouldn't have clicked on it's my own fault

right yeah i was yeah that's not what i thought what else happens in that bit uh oh yeah but also he throws it over the shoulder and i'm like oh well he hasn't he hasn't agreed to train her yet there's still hope a new hope if you will oh yeah like the film that he is going to push her off the cliff at some point and then and he's like i'm not going to train you i'm not going to train you and then he's like okay now i will and look down there and i oh, here we go. This is still going to count. And then he did. We established that it had to be in the opening sequence. All right.

Yeah. Okay. That's what I was going to say about Luke Skywalker. Another thing people said was, I can't believe he was going to kill Kylo Ren. Why would Luke Skywalker or Ben Solo, why would he do that? That's not within his character. It's absolutely. First of all, he didn't.

But it's absolutely in his nature to stand over a guy who's going to tear down everything that he's done who well what for what as far as he knows is could very well become the next arthur vader and ruin the galaxy so of course he's going to consider shutting that down yeah again he doesn't yeah and he creates the problem but for me yeah obviously he's gonna think about killing this guy. It seems odd to me that nobody... Also, he is a killer. He's established as a killer.

He's killed so many people. You've all killed so many people. I did a Kill Count video on him. It's in the tens of thousands. Nobody can take the moral high ground in these movies because everybody's killed somebody in these. But it seems odd to me that people can't even imagine that a character like luke skywalker would have a moment of doubt or make a mistake

remember the original trilogy it was just constant doubt and him falling down and losing his hand nearly killing his dad at the end yeah right it was the fact that he couldn't go i'm thinking about it oh no i've made a mistake i'm sorry of thing. And that's led to all this drama. Yeah. And I also believe that Kylo Ren, like both of their stories are true to them. Because he would have looked up and seen this monster with a lightsaber bearing over him. Yeah, yeah. And Luke would have seen, Luke saw this frightened boy.

Of course they're going to see it the way they saw it. Yeah. Also, the Knights of ren are jedi former jedi apparently okay right because a lot of people said that the the bratorian guns is that what they are yeah yeah that's what they're called it's very it's very possible yeah but i think we saw the knights of ren in the previous film yeah i think they're different people yeah i think that so what do you think is going to happen do you think think, we'll get to it in a minute, I guess, but do you think that Kylo will bring them, are they still alive?

I assume so. But I think what does worry about the next film for me is this answered so many questions and concluded in so many ways. I think the next film is going to time jump in like five years and maybe carrie fisher having passed on princess leia's now passed on yep because i think there were multiple moments in this film where they could have i thought they killed her at the start yeah right and i thought oh she's going to be the one to fly the ship through hyperspace into another

ship which was great oh yeah yeah we didn. Everybody should do that all the time. Why do you need a Death Star? Just fire a ship at light speed into a planet. Yeah, just build a ship and shoot it through. Not even a ship, just a box with an engine. Yeah, right. It's fine. Just put one guy in it. That's true. But what great imagery.

That was great. For one. It almost caused a moment of silence in the cinema that I saw it at. Oh, man, I can't believe you went to a wooing cinema for that. No, it was good. I liked it. I'm not into it. Yeah, fair enough.

But what was I going to say? And then, but I think the reason they didn't kill her off, one, they wanted to keep the performance intact. Yep. And two, it's got that Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, or Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia reunion. And I think this film needed that. Yeah, right.

And I think that's an important moment that the fans needed to see for one. I think it's just nice for those two people in real life. Here's a question. What are the dice? Have they been in anything else? Good question, Mason. I have the answer to that. I've done that Easter egg video, as you know.

You can check it out in the comments, in the link description. Could you answer it for me now, though? I couldn't possibly, Mason. Okay, I'll answer for you. They're in A New Hope, apparently. Okay. I thought they were new. Same.

They used to be regular dice, but they've added little symbols. Okay. They've always been kind of hanging in the Falcon. Really? Okay, right. And I suspect that they're going to tie into Han Solo. Yeah, right, okay. Maybe he wins the Falcon with them or whatever.

Yeah, for sure. He gets two half-circle moons and a picture of a rock. Ah, snake eyes. I don't know what else to look for. Yeah, because I was like, did Luke have a very important moment with these in the original trilogy? Because I cannot recall that at all.

I was confused how they disappeared and what that was about. Because I thought when Kylo Ren is talking with Rey, by the way, those sequences were great where they were conversing across space and time or whatever. Also, people were saying there was no, they didn't establish that force power for Luke being a projection.

They clearly did. They established it multiple times through the film because Kylo Ren says, I can see you, but I can't see your surroundings. Yeah, right. Which is exactly what Luke Skywalker did. Anyway, it doesn't matter. But what was I saying?

The dice disappear after Luke, like well after Luke disappears. But there's a bit where Kylo Ren is with Rey and he's got water on him. So I thought that Luke was able to transport them using the Force because it's a small item. I like the idea that it was kind of vague. I think it was fine that some of that, could he touch things? Could he not touch things?

He could touch things. Yeah, so I think it's fine. I love the Thoros C-3PO wink. I thought that was amazing. What else can we talk about in this movie? Also, it's established that if anybody does that for too long, it'll probably kill them. Yes.

And then it kills him. Twin sons, good stuff. What do you think of Evil BB-8? Barely in it. Yeah, barely in it, exactly. Just to sell Evil BB-8. Exactly. If you wanted a BB-8 but you thought he was a little too good

of your two shoes and lame. Just colour him in. Colour him in, change the shape of his head. Yeah. Fine. Yeah.

I like that droid design in general though. Yeah. Yeah. What else can we talk about? I'm sure there's stuff we're forgetting. I genuinely think

and maybe like you said I'll come around on it but I think this is a great Star Wars film. Yeah. Yeah. And that's The Tooth. The Tooth.

I mean, we've got more things to say, obviously. Future, what do you think's next? I mean, I don't even know if I believe Kylo Ren is the big bad villain because he's so conflicted. I mean, if he changes sides or dies, what, Hux is in charge? Well, maybe the Knights of Ren come back. Yeah, well, that's what I was thinking. Maybe that's the, when the when you say you think did you mention earlier in the podcast and I tuned out maybe okay great well anyway what I'm saying what I'm potentially maybe they come back and they're

like great time to rule the universe he has a change of heart again double change of double change of triple change of heart and they're like well actually we don't need you we've been off training and Jedi-ing about, and we've found all these Sith powers and whatever. Now we're the rules of the universe. So now we're taking over, and then he maybe has to switch sides again. I don't know.

I think you could genuinely bring him back. Yeah, for sure. I thought after The Force Awakens that you can't bring Bang this back. You can't redeem this character without leading to his death, like Vader because he killed Han Solo. Yeah, right. But I think very early on,

it's established in this film that this guy's not all bad. And again, he didn't kill his father because he hated him. Not all bad looking either. Or is sometimes. I don't know. How does he do it?

I don't know. Is it when his ears are covered? I don't know. Yeah, I'd believe him coming back, but also I'd believe him not coming back at this point. You know what else I also like? I think if they did a time jump, I'd like this. Just have Rey be like Luke Skywalker was in Return of the Jedi.

He's pretty sure of himself. Yep. Because I think also she's got the books. She stole the books. Yep. She's got a new lightsaber. Where is it? It's in the staff. No. It's a double lightsaber got the books. She stole the books. Yep. She's got a new lightsaber. Where is it? It's in the staff.

No. It's a double lightsaber in the staff. I think she's going to... She will have a staff-ish lightsaber. Maybe a pike or a double-edged lightsaber, but I don't think... Well, she's got the crystal. Also, where's Luke's green lightsaber?

Don't do a green and a blue double-bladed lightsaber. I think that's... No, absolutely not. But where's Luke's green lightsaber, though? I don't know. Where is it though I don't know where is it I don't know where was it the last time you checked

well Luke tried to kill his nephew with it that's the last time we saw it oh for sure right right I reckon one of the knights of Ren has it

which one Daryl yeah Daryl sneaky son of a bitch so Daryl of the knights of Ren has it yeah

I reckon maybe one of them has it yeah that'd be great. Yeah. I think we will. Yeah. I think it's naive of you to think this Mason that we won't ever see it again. Yeah.

Maybe we won't see it in the next film, but we're definitely going to see it. I like that design of that lightsaber also. Where is it? Yeah. Okay. Yoda puppet. Last thing.

I didn't mind it. Looked real weird. Mouth looked weird. Yep. I don't think the puppet looked like the original one enough or it was lit weirdly. Sometimes it looked fine. But I went back to Empire Strikes Back and I'm like,

am I just remembering this fondly because this is a film that I know and love? But I don't think that puppet looked right at all. Sometimes it did. I like the voice. I guess he can shoot lightning. That's right. That's the other thing

all every star wars film pretty much establishes a new force power yes and they've been doing it in the comics and and whatever and they did it in the expanded universe for they did a bunch of weird and crazy shit the emperor kept jumping from clone body to clone body right it's okay to introduce a new force power if there's a man sitting on an island by himself for half a dozen years, maybe he's worked out how to... Maybe he learnt it before or whatever because he didn't have the Force then. No, I thought the puppet was weird. But I like seeing Yoda again.

Me too. I like how he's like, young Skywalker. Because he's young comparatively to Yoda who's a dead ghost. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. That would have been a perfect opportunity for the Alec Guinness Ewan McGregor uh sex scene as well exactly that's what starts the fire

yeah oh what did you think of the cave sequence which one the one where she does the clicking and it's I thought it was visually interesting but I don't know what it means. I'm going to say visually interesting, ultimately forgettable because I can't remember it. I just remember the mirror bit and that's it. Yeah. Fine, I guess. Yeah. It makes me better start moving towards wrapping this up.

Okay. Let's wrap this baby up. I think we talked about it enough. Let me, oh, you know what joke I really didn't think worked when, okay. There's, there's two, there's a couple of jokes where hux and kylo ren are in the um in the ship and they're commanding the troops together yes uh there's one where he throws him into the wall he's like you can't go down and fight luke skywalker with you stay on top of the mission and he just throws him into the wall and the pilot's like yep no worries i'm absolutely

happy to land there's a bit where he repeats his order. He's like, fire on the whatever. And then Hux is like, fire on the whatever. And then Kylo Ren does like a goofy look. Also, love the Millennium Falcon music chase through the mind. Yeah, right. I love that. Always good. Porg aside, but that music is great. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I said this on Steel Wars. This also answered a riddle that I've been curious about since the original star wars which is what happened to stun mode it's back baby it's back in a big way it's back in such a big way anybody in the prequels yeah they're all cutting each other's legs off yeah pretty good all right we talked about it it's good stuff i might watch it again next this coming week and uh i think you should yeah yeah i've got some reviews here yes it's from michael my god i hope they kill phasma in every single film i love this so much she's such a

pointless character that just keeps coming back to do more or less nothing it's fantastic or killing a phasma and again if we can just have just in the start of the next movie just an assembly line and another body rolls in they install the head and she's back again i guess this is from troy i just got out of the last jedi didn't like it was hoping uh for new stuff just got more nostalgia and a rehash from the original trilogy there are because there are different elements that are rehashed as well like this isn't all original stuff all the way through uh uh david said uh i saw star wars the last jedi it was great laifying through flying through space like superman was really weird though luke was a badass the ending satisfying, but it hurt my childhood.

Mike says, I thought Episode 8 was bad with cool moments. What have we got? See, so I'm talking about Mason. It's very divisive. Zoltan says, another thing I hated about The Last Jedi. Oh, yes. I'm not sure what the previous tweets were, but if you replace the word Snoke with that shark, it makes just as much sense since we know nothing about Snoke.

For example, Luke tried to save Ben, but that shark it makes just as much sense since we know nothing about Snoke for example Luke tried to save Ben but that shark had already gotten him yeah nice that's pretty good I like that a lot John says last year that was the

worst movie ever Finn's story was bland every battle was lackluster Phasma wasted again no payoff with any of the episode seven questions what do

they want from Phasma yeah I don't know Phasma yeah the force is now a Chris Nolan plot-breaking device. Luke's fishing was fun. Yeah. All right, sure. I loved Jake. I loved the half of The Last Jedi

and was kind of cold on the other half. I bet we'll see an origin for those golden dice in the Solo movie. And I think that's it. Yeah. Well, you know what it's time for, Mason. Oh, what's it time for? It's time for what we're reading.

Oh, what are we going to read? But before we do that, do you want some hate mail? I just remembered I got some hate mail. Absolutely, please. Okay, this hate mail is a mixture of people who are really savage on Star Wars, but also savage on me, Mason. Oh, what's this from? This is from my Star Wars review of The Last Jedi.

Love it. This is from Gian Luca. review of The Last Jedi. Love it. This is from Gian Luca. You really don't understand. Oh, by the way, hate mail, but the hate has an eight in it, is where I read. Eight pieces of hate mail, but it's never eight, but it's always hate, isn't it, Mason? It's always savage, yes.

And it's not every week, but it's every now and then. Yep. And sometimes people have a good point. Not really. They're all dumbasses. I mean, there are genuine criticisms, but I'm not including those because they're not fun are they

no absolutely not we want what we want is for people who lose their mind over incredibly minor things exactly Gianluca says

you really don't understand a single thing about movies and Star Wars in general this movie sucks so hard it hurts to sit through it this is from

Kancho Kamocho this half millennial slash half feminist propaganda film is not the Star Wars to sit through it. This is from Kancho Komocho. This half-millennial slash half-feminist propaganda film is not the Star Wars. This is something completely different than the original trilogy. That's always... At least proofread your...

Yeah, right? No, I think that's correct. I think if you confuse then and then, you can just ignore their whole opinion, really. It's from Inglourious Pundits. You're such an a-hole for this. This was not a good movie. Like at all.

You ranked it fairly high. It's another rehash. Opinions are subjective. Yeah, for sure. I shouldn't have to keep saying that. It's another rehash of the original, meaning episode nine will be the prequels. What? You sold yourself for what?

And then there's a bunch of exclamation marks. Look, man, I'll take money for a good review. If somebody wants to offer it for me, I'll do it. I think it would be an interesting experiment to get paid for a review and then a week later be like, I got paid for this review. This was the process. Like, I'd just do it to be like, can you believe this is a thing? Yeah, right.

I mean, I know it's disingenuous, but don't you think that would be interesting if somebody really paid for a good review? Yeah, right? Man. It would be nice if they did, wouldn't it? Yeah. Where do people think these checks are being cut from?

You know what I mean? It's a really good question. It's from Sam's Dude WTF? Two question marks. I just saw it. Why are you lying? It's trash and killed Star Wars for me. Okay.

Good work. Side note, who cares if it killed star wars for you i don't care why was there no fucking lightsaber duel that's from pulse uh like what the fuck i've never been so salty about anything in my life well you've said it's a pretty cruisy existence right right your presentation is really unengaging sorry i don't care what you think about anything based on your aggressive manner. That's fair enough. Right back at you. Most unstructured...

Oh, we're getting into just general hate of me, I guess. Oh, you're pretty good. Most unstructured video I ever saw. I ever saw. Some Tom Van Loon. How is this a review? Oh, Van Loon, eh? How is this a review?

You're just rambling for 10 minutes yep uh i have uh it's from wagner this movie is overrated as fuck it's no made for fans i feel sorry for them it seems like he seems like he feels sorry for himself yeah yeah yeah episode seven at last was a good copy of episode four this movie was just bland so many characters and wasted and plot lines wasted there is no substance ray is still a mary sue and the worst main character of this franchise worst star wars wow that's saying a lot i know yeah worst star wars movie along with episode one and two the empire strikes Back and Rogue One remains as the best picture of the franchise. Those are two separate movies.

Just so you know. He's lumped them in together. And also, that is by no means the definitive. People aren't like, listen, Rogue One is definitely the best one. Some people really like it, but nothing is definitive. I'm really starting to believe Disney pay the critics. Sorry, I'm starting to really believe Disney pay to the critics. I can't see where it got such incredible reviews.

You can't see where it got such incredible reviews. Correct. You can see a lot of incredible reviews. They're on YouTube. You can find them anywhere. They're on websites. Yeah. Boring culture and history of fun.

Burn it all. We must. Magical. Magical knows everything. Strong, independent woman, spelled W-O-M-Y-N does. That's a quote from Yoda 2017. Oh, well, he knows what he's talking about. Even the prequels are better than this garbage. I didn't think Yoda was like, throw out everything before. I mean, it was in terms of the dogma of the Jedi. Yeah, right. But the way I took it was the way that I look at a lot of religions. And let's take Catholicism. Oh, no, here we go. Because I was raised Catholic. I could take as many shots as I want.

But basically, the core concept of Catholicism, when you come down to it, and the ceremony that's presented in church every week, and also, I don't have a problem with church. If you want to go to church, great, absolutely. Whatever you want to do, man. But the core idea was Jesus said, according to the books, to the story, that he sat down with friends and it was about breaking bread, sharing a meal, giving thanks and sharing in God's presence and love and all those kinds of things. It's not about a man in a dress with a golden staff standing in front of everybody and just telling them that they're bad people and everything's wrong and gay people should go to hell and all that. I'm fairly certain Jesus was all about tearing down the temples

and stripping away the dogma. He spent his time doing that before they killed him. That was the idea, to strip all that shit away, and suddenly it's gone back to what that was. And I think that's what Yoda was saying, that, no, the core ideas of this are good yes but everything that we built around it is completely pointless right am i wrong you're not wrong but he could have said that 30 years ago yes absolutely well he learned

i guess my point is and again you can be i don't like faith and religion you can do whatever you want but i think when it gets to the point where you're you're getting away from the core like what's the core of something really you know what i mean i think when it gets to the point where you're getting away from the core, like what's the core of something really? You know what I mean? I think when you get away from that and you look at the money that the church has that they're just holding onto, it's fucking disgusting, quite frankly.

And I shouldn't have got into that, but that's, we're doing hate mail, Mason. Yeah, right? Yeah. You sent some hate mail. Yeah. To the Catholic church. This movie is fucking garbage, utter garbage,

just like this channel, dumbass. What the hell are you talking movie is fucking garbage. Out of garbage. Just like this channel. Dumb ass. What the hell are you talking about? Should I keep doing these? Yeah, it's fine. I've got a lot. As long as we've got more than eight. Okay.

How about I do... I got You an Idiot. Nice. Very good. That's a classic. How much money did Disney give you to do this review? This movie sucks balls. The answer's none.

They never give us any money. We never get any money. I think we need to boycott the Disney for all the crap, that crap they did. Kathleen, Kenny, Ryan, Johnson have taken Star Wars in direction. Fans were not like... Well, good luck boycotting Disney in a couple of years when they own literally everything.

Did you watch the other Star Wars movie? This is so bad. And this movie is really the worst, with an E on the end, Star Wars movie ever. Oh, worst day. Star War lost my family as fans. And then this is somehow embedded a link here into the word fans and my.

My father, brother, son, and myself. Continuing a story is fine, but to totally ruin the Skywalker legacy is bull. Killing off Luke was a big mistake. They are going to lose thousands of fans. That generations deep hashtag bring back Luke he's dead

he's dead he's never coming back he's never coming back this guy's like I can bet my left nut you'll all agree that you'll hate this movie in a couple of months when all the hype's gone

and one more you'll like this Mason it's from Baldy Hard Nut this movie sucks and you know it be aware that major reviewers could be getting paid by Disney to say this film was amazing. It's okay to dislike a thing. Yeah, for sure.

It's okay. It's just, there's no great conspiracy. You can just not like a movie and other people like a movie. What a big week. Big week for us. You know what time for then? Oh, what we read and what we're going to read. I'm doing a thing.

What are we reading today i read kill the minotaur off your good right i loved it yeah it's good stuff they're making a movie as well yeah so you get in the ground floor that's what i say it was kind of it was troy but alien yeah see, see? Right, exactly. Yeah. And that's something that I love that sometimes works, kill the Minotaur, sometimes doesn't. Alien 4. I was going to say Gods of Egypt. Something like that. I haven't seen it. Well, I love anything where it's like, hey, remember the myths of old?

Actually, it was weird, gross biotechnology and alien stuff and whatever wasn't an alien no i think it was an alien well maybe i liked it they didn't really explain it though yeah because it looked like alien tech but it could have just been from the gods yeah well maybe the gods are see that's the thing that's that's where there's gonna be more it seems so we'll bloody we'll get into that but i think that's a great recommendation mason thank you it's got a lot of swearing it's got a lot of blood it's got people getting torn apart

it's real gross I like the minotaur design as well it's not just a half bull man it's a terrifying like John Carpenter nightmare

who hates itself clearly yeah that's right yeah so that's a good one which reminds me I'm not sure if it's still going but if it is

our friends over at Serious Issues are currently doing a Serious Issues Awards. So if you have opinions on the best comics of the year, pop over to their group. Yeah. I can't remember the link, but just search for Serious Issues on Facebook. Yes.

And just click through there. Or just go to Andrew Levin's Twitter feed. Yeah. At LevDawg. He knows. He knows. He knows. It'll be on there. So if you want to do some votes, get in there.

And if you can't find it, ask him on Twitter. If you could. Then he'll know. Then you'll know. Then we'll all know. Great. So that's good. I am going to probably watch Last Jedi again.

Yes, I think you should. What are you going to read this week? Well, I actually started watching season two of Wolf Creek. Oh, yes. And lo and behold, guess who appears, Mason? Toe-Fop's own. Charlie Clawson. Friend of the show, Charlie Clawson.

That's right. He's in that show. What is he in? What role is he in that movie? I don't want to spoil it, Mason. Okay, then. But it's basically, it's a bunch of tourists. Is he the wolf?

No, he's the creek. Okay. It's very convincing. Hmm. But if people don't know, Wolf Creek is an Australian horror movie, and it got a sequel, and then it got a first season. It's basically what if Crocodile Dundee was a really horrible murderer? Correct, yes.

And I like the series. A lot of people don't like the second one, the second movie. Yep. I like it. I like it all because I really hate the character, like the villain, and he's really terrifying. Yeah, right. So, yeah, Charlie Clawson's in that,

but it's definitely worth checking out. Also, just listen to Tofop in general because it's real fun. It's real fun, yeah, exactly, yeah. Also, they did a great Justice League episode recently where they kind of muddle their way through what happened to Justice League. Oh, nice. Okay, great. It's very funny.

All right, I'll check that out. Yeah. I'm way behind in all of our planet broadcasting. Not this one, though, right? No. I mean, you've been here every week. You've heard most of them. I think so. I mean, you've been here every week. You've heard most of them. I think so.

I mean, you've tuned in and out, obviously. Very obviously. You ready? Got that lettuce thing ready? Yeah, lettuce. Let's do some lettuce. Woo! Woo, lettuce.

The classic one was, Lettuce, oh lettuce, we love you. Some lettuce, they're only a day away. I know they're here right now. We're going to do lettuce. They're never a day away I know they're here right now, we're going to do letters They're never a day away, they're always right after the letters theme Correct That theme is wrong, I just realised Nah

That's great But it says we're going to do it right now That's true And why does it say they're only a day away? That's how the song goes No, I understand that's how the song goes But then he says they're right here. So it's correcting the song.

Correct. So it is right. Okay. Yeah. It's very late here. Yeah, it is. I should listen to my own letters theme that I didn't write. So a lot of people, last week we talked about maybe Quentin Tarantino is going to do a Star Trek movie of some sort.

We've had a lot of letters and tweets about that. Thomas Husband has said, as someone who's watched Star Trek for his entire life, he's not keen for this to happen. Right, yeah. He says, from what I've heard, they're wanting to adapt a two-part episode from Next Generation involving time travel and the Klingon Federation war. Okay.

So that's like two episodes, 90 minutes. That's basically already a feature film. Don't personally see the point in remaking these episodes, but Gorya and with more N-bombs sounds like a bad time. Yeah, absolutely. I can understand that. Yeah. I guess, yeah, if they are just going to do a remake

of a really good episode, why are you doing it? Yeah, but a lot of other people have tweeted at us and have mentioned something that didn't even occur to us when we talked about it, Mirror Universe episode, Mirror Universe movie. Yeah, absolutely. What about this? Also, a friend who wrote that letter he has a podcast on youtube called the nerd rhetoric podcast he's just uh maybe maybe

check that out if you like uh but what i i think that i don't know if they'd do it but i would love to see a movie set in the the current continu's mirror universe so you can get christopher pine and donald gleason donald donald glace you get chris pine you get zach quinto you get all the regulars yeah and they skip into the but they've got weird but they've got weird facial hair yes and they're just evil are they punching mirror versions of themselves or it's just a complete mirror version movie i think it's just the mirror universe i think it just takes place entirely in the mirror universe and it's just the bad guy so confusing so at the start what if someone just says quinn and tarantino's there or he attends

every screening he goes yep it's it's star trek but it's the mirror universe it's yeah everything's bad yeah ships are inside out i think what happens I think what happens. Dogs and cats. Yeah. What happens is you have, you started in the normal universe and they're all at like a greasy spoon diner. Yeah. All the, they're in the Enterprise's greasy spoon diner. It's in the middle of the Enterprise. And they're all just having a reservoir dog style chat about various things. And one of them's like, what about a universe when we're all evil?

And then it just cuts hard cut to the mirror universe weird weird mustaches and whatnot exactly exactly i love it what kind of mustache would chris pine have a hitler mustache oh no that's the worst one when michael jordan tried to bring it back yeah that's right very briefly i mean you're very good at dunking a basketball but it's i don't think the world's ready. I think you need to give it another 100 years. Okay, this is from Austin. Hashtag WeeklyPlanetPod.

You can send an email through to weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com, but you can also hashtag on Twitter weeklyplanetpod as Austin has done. And he's asked, who should play Wolverine now? I can't remember who else on Twitter said, do they go with someone five foot three? Is there anybody who could do it who's five foot three and known? Is Ronnie Corbett dead? Ronnie Corbett is very dead.

Oh, no. Both the Ronnies are dead. Both the two Ronnies are dead, I think. Damn. Shared grave? Yeah, for sure. Both in one coffin, I guess. Yeah.

I mean, they didn't die at the same time. They had to dig it up and dump the second one. I know how funerals work, Mason. Okay, good. Let's see. Some people said Oscar Isaac. What do you reckon about that? Is he too handsome?

Well, Jackman's too handsome. Exactly, right? So what do you do with this version? Do you make him like the scrappier? You make him Latino. Yeah, okay. That's what I'm saying. Good question.

Do you make him scrappy? I think you definitely make him scrappier yeah i think you make him kind of more ragged and because if you make him the only other option is to make him more handsome than hugh jackman can't make him more make him exactly a it's impossible and b it'd be more it'd be a more generic handsome like a like a like a cw yeah exactly kind of actor yeah it'd be Archie. It'd be Archie. So handsome. I mean, he's good in that. So many skills,

that kid. Yeah. Uh, I'm really bad at casting. Yeah. Same. Yeah. What about Danzig?

Oh, as they always promised. Yeah. He really did it. Maybe it's finally the chance for that other guy who gave up the role. Remember, he's like, remember that guy?

Russell Crowe? No, not Russell Crowe. Mel Gibson? No. Uh, that guy. Oh, Doug Ray guy? Russell Crowe? No, not Russell Crowe. Mel Gibson? No. That guy. Oh, Doug Ray Scott. Doug Ray Scott, exactly.

No. No. I don't think he's got the chops, quite frankly. Or the mutton chops. Maybe he does have to be younger, though. I think you definitely have to go younger. You don't make him 50, because then you get like three movies out of him, Max. Yeah, right.

I think you'd get someone mid-30s. It's been said a lot of times but tom hardy would be a great wolverine right but he's venom so you can't i think maybe you go lesser you go lesser known yeah right yeah but so that's hard to cast because i don't know who that is yeah it's lesser known what about the as somebody tweeted at me i think that you know the guy that looks like matt dam? He was in Breaking Bad. He looks like Matt Damon, but he's not Matt Damon. You know that guy?

Oh, Jesse something. Yes. His name is Plemons? Jesse Plemons? Yeah, I think it could be, yeah. That guy. Is he too potato-headed? I think he might be too potato-headed.

Yeah. They can do wonderful things with prosthetics these days. You can do chips. Yep. You can do a sauerkraut. Yeah, you can do a cross-cut, crinkle-cut chip. Exactly. You can do a baked potato. One of those grid chips. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. You can do a mashuerkraut. Yeah, you can do a cross-cut, crinkle-cut chip. Exactly. You can do a baked potato.

One of those grid chips. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. You can do a mash, maybe. Maybe some gravy on there. Maybe some peas. Oh, that's right. My vegetable combination.

My favorite vegetable combination. Here we go. We can come back to it next week. Corn on the cob and butter. There it is. No, no. You have to have a vegetable, another vegetable. And mash them together. How about corn on the cob and just like a carrot in your other hand that you don't have to have a vegetable another vegetable and mash them together how about corn on the cob

and just a like a carrot in your other hand that you don't have to eat okay that sounds really good yeah great sounds cool

you can turf it at a passing car this is from press start FVR hashtag weekly planet pod I'm going to start listening to movie commentaries which one should I do first

I think probably Force Awakens is probably a good one to start on yeah for sure yeah we'll do some more any of them are fine yeah uh probably not amazing spider-man 2 it's not a very good movie running on fumes i don't remember it was a big a very or was it just the amazing spider-man i don't even remember i don't know if we did one and two right i don't think so okay anyway it's not worth listening to yeah yeah i think people like the Batman v Superman one as well. Yeah.

And the Suicide Squad one I think is fine, but it's not as bad of a movie as you remember it being. Yeah, right. We both kind of finished and went, that's fine. Yeah, right. So, yeah. This is from David. What do we got here, David? Hashtag WimpyPlanetPod.

Do you think R2-D2 and C-3PO will be shoehorned into the Han Solo solo movie? And if so, how so? They might have to break with convention here, Mason. Unless they pass them. Maybe Han Solo's stealing a crystal from a crystal warehouse. So is it canon that R2-D2... Every film.

Is it that C-3PO has had a memory wipe, but R2-D2 hasn't? Okay, right. But he could run into Han Solo and he could be knocked over at a market square. That's true, yeah. I think it'll be something along those lines. Do you think they'll definitely do it? I think they will, but it will be really contrived. Yes.

Or maybe he does work for the rebellion. Maybe this Han Solo solo movie will surprise us. I hope it will, but it will be really contrived. Yes. Or maybe he does work for the rebellion. Maybe this Han Solo solo movie will surprise us. I hope it will, Mason. Yeah. I don't have my fingers crossed. This Last of the Jedi surprised us in many ways. Yeah. I actually, going into this, I wasn't like, this is going to be great.

I was like, I hope this is good, but I don't know. People are going to be, people are really pissed that Rian Johnson's doing another three, though. Yeah. But I want to see it me too yeah even just so we can do something weird just something real weird

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Maybe Mason will win it. That's so good. But no, Mason won't win it. I'll make sure of it. Oh, man. God damn it. But yeah, so yes, send your pictures, send any kind of tweet, hashtag JediSkills to myself or Mason.

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you can go to patreon.com slash MrSundayMovies. Is that also on planetbroadcasting.com? You better believe it. You can also click on the Amazon affiliate link in our episode description. Yep. Let's see. T'sOnTeaPublic.com.

If you want to buy weekly Planet Tea, I'd love to see them out in the wild. Yes. I don't know if I have it here, but somebody out in the world, our friends at Aunty Donna, some listeners went to see Aunty Donna and they were wearing the Weekly Planet shirt.

Ah, that's awesome. So I've got a photo with all the boys against their will with someone wearing a Weekly Planet T-shirt. Can you send that to me? I'll send it to you. So that's pretty great. Let's see.

And let's see. What else? What else do we do here? I'll send it to you. So that's pretty great. Let's see. And let's see. What else? What else do we do here? It's very late right now. I don't know, man. It's so late. It's too late. Next week we're doing best of the year.

Well, maybe, yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Is that the last episode before the end of the year next week? Who knows? Yeah, who does know? I think it is actually, yeah. Okay, great.

All right, that'll do it. What else do I say here? I've thrown my own rhythm off. Thank you to everybody who listens. I should say that up top. Thank you to everybody who listens. Yeah, it does? No, I think it is actually, yeah. Okay, great. All right, that'll do it. What else do I say here? I've thrown my own rhythm off. Thank you to everybody who listens. I should say that up top. Thank you to everybody who listens. Yeah, it's great. I should say at the start and the end and in the middle.

If you tell a friend, it's very helpful. If you tell 100 friends, it's 100 times as helpful. You're correct. Yep, it's proportioned to the number of people you tell is how helpful it is. It is, yeah. Yeah. Reviews are great as well on iTunes.

Good reviews. Yeah. Yes, obviously, Mason. Did I not say good reviews? No. Was that not implied? Was the implication not present? Look, no.

Okay, then. Okay, good. You just give people a little guidance, you know? And that is the truth. That's the truth. Now, speaking of, I'm taking this bloody landing off. It's not the end of the show yet, Mason. No, no, no.

It is for me. There you go. Now, again, as we've established. I feel like you're going to lose another bit and you're of the show yet, Mason. No, no, no. It is for me. There you go. Now, again, as we've established... I feel like you're going to lose another bet and you're going to have to wear it. No, look, I think we've established off-air that whoever makes the dumbest call... Like, every time somebody makes a spectacularly dumb call,

I'll have to wear the lanyard if I make a dumb call. If you make a dumb call, you don't get to wear the lanyard. What? That's the trick. Okay. Yeah. Fair enough. All right, thanks for listening, guys. Grab that call, you don't get to wear the bandaid. That's the trick. Okay. Yeah. Fair enough. All right.

Thanks for listening, guys. Grab that gem, you guys. We'll see you next week. Bye. Did you see Jumanji? No. Apparently, it's fine. It's not out yet, though.

Oh, yeah. I got a screening that I didn't go to. Oh, la-di-da. Well. Yeah. Oh, so we're going to do awards next week. I guess so. And Jumanji. Oh, awards and Jumanji. We should awards next week? I guess so. And Jumanji.

Oh, awards and Jumanji. We should watch a bunch of stuff that we've missed during the year. Okay. To catch up on. Nice. I watched It Comes at Night. Which one's that again? Really liked it.

It's a Joel Edgerton horror film. But yeah, anyway, this is all in the show, Mason, as well. Nice, I love it. Put the lanyard back on. No, sir. Bye, everybody. Bye. Bye.

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