The Weekly Planet - 249 History Of Image Comics

Episode Date: August 27, 2018

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It's me, I'm here. Just a few things up top, Mason. Just a bit of bloody housekeeping. We've guest on a couple of podcasts this week. That's true, we did. Myself on Two in the Think Tank, which is a fantastic comedy podcast. it was so fantastic you smacked your hand on that fan i did i went out to make a big gesture yep and i hit a fan does that big gesture indicate how much fun you had on the podcast absolutely it does those are they're they're two very funny guys they've been on the show before they did the they filled in on the it episode that's true and

also the name of the episode that i was on is called horse parkour yes so i mean what else do you need that doesn't draw you in then you hate animals and fun and sketches and podcasts yeah did you come up with a fun sketch i helped i mean those guys are great they're absolute pros i think i had some contributions yes they are so they're fast and they're funny. And having also been on the show, the best you can come up with is I helped. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. But it's fun to help.

It's fun to be there. I didn't sit there and say nothing. It was just, honestly, I had an absolute blast. You were also on the 100th episode, right? I was, yeah. You only came up with 100 sketches. Because they're around 150 now. So next year they're going to do a 200 sketch episode. I promise to be on their 1000th episode great all the all the way through all the way through yes wow i'm

committing to it the last one was like 10 hours or something they did yep incredible you're gonna die on that podcast doing what i love that's right coming up with mediocre sketches helping helping while they'll come up with good sketches and every once in a while I'll just be like, what if a man had too many pillows? What if he did though? What if he did, right? There's no bad ideas. There's just bad execution. Actually, there's a sketch about you in there.

Yes. Which might be a good listen. Am I dead in it? Is that the... Maybe. Wow. Because I saw the... After every episode, they do a little bright...

Like the sketch ideas are written down on a notepad and they take a photo of the notepad. Yes, yes. I do believe it said deadlifts. Yeah, it was a listener-suggested one. Oh, terrific. But what was the one you were on? I was on an episode of Vic and Em's Comedy Gems. Our friends Vicky and Emily.

That's it. The podcast. It's a new podcast to the network. That's correct, yes. And it's called Episode 58. Wow. Don't mean to brag. Was that the name of the episode and also the number or just the name?

It's both of those things. Oh, my goodness. It's quite literal. Okay, good, good, good. Excellent. So, yeah, you can find that at planetbroadcasting.com. I can link those both below, no problem at all. And we talked about many things, including a hair incident I had a while back.

Oh, where you shaved the side of your head. Don't spoil it. Don't spoil it. That's fixed itself up. Yeah. Yeah. You'd hope so. You'd hope so.

It's not a tattoo, is it? How short have you ever cut your hair? My own hair? Or like how short has your hair ever been? I used to like shave my head down to like a two. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm always, because, you know, I often, I'm like, well, you know, I should grow, I can grow a beard, so I should grow a beard.

Yeah. Like, well, should I be a man who shaves his head once just to see what it's like? I'm like, but what if I shaved it and it never came back? That's, I heard Chickless said that once. Did he? Well, the story with Chickless was, I remember reading, I don't know whether it was true. I think he was just going bald. This is Michael Chickless, not a guy we know called Chickless. Yeah, Chick this is michael chickless not a guy we know called chick yeah chickless not a guy not a guy we know

who can't get a date our friend jeffrey chickless we call him chickless because he can't get a date but basically our friend chickless is also an actor michael chick michael chickless he uh he was doing theater like junior theater or college theater or maybe it was just theater and he shaved his head for a while and he put like grease paint on it for the for the part and then afterwards it didn't it didn't grow back so he i don't know whether he killed it with the the grease paint or whatever thing see that's the thing because you know as a man you are prone why are we talking about this as a man you could potentially you could go bald at some point yeah and maybe you shave your head and that's the day you were destined to go bald.

But I'd always wonder. You'd always wonder. I'd be like, maybe I shaved it and the nerves in my head went, we don't need this anymore. I guess he doesn't want this anymore. Anyway, Vic and Em's Comedy Jams. Check it out.

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mason you know that i like a t-shirt but i also love a bloody mr core shirt i love different clothes call me crazy you are You are crazy. Don't, I didn't think you actually would. Wear the same shirt every day. Okay. Have you seen, I would have saved this for what we read and what we're going to read. Let's do it.

But I watched, it's on Netflix, Jack Reacher, the first Jack Reacher. I haven't seen it. It's all right. It's not bad, but you can kind of tell because,

you know, it's Tom Cruise in the role of this character, but clearly there are fight sequences in the movie that were very obviously intended for the literary version of Jack Ritchie. Oh, like a much bigger man. Who's like seven feet tall with fists the size of Christmas hands or whatever.

He's like, there's a scene in it where he is clipped in the back of a head with a baseball bat and he's just dizzy for a minute. One minute? Maybe not even one minute. But then later he's talking to somebody and they're like, what's that on the back of your head?

And he's got an enormous blood patch on the back of his head. The skull's fractured. Well, that's what I mean. So basically, spoiler alert, a dude takes a swing at him with a baseball bat and it hits a door frame, but it also hits his head. But at the same time, I'm like,

that's, you'd still die. Anyway, the reason I mentioned this. Also, your occipital lobe, which is your vision, is in the back of your head. So he probably would have gone blind. Hey, wow. All right.

Maybe he does though. Maybe he does. Maybe that's in the post credits. He's like, PS, I've been blind the whole time. How good am I? It's like that movie where, you know, the one, yeah. Maybe he does. Maybe that's in the post-credits. He's like, P.S. I've been blind the whole time. How good am I? It's like that movie where, you know, the one... Where did I be? Yeah.

Spoilers. Whatever, yeah, yeah. You know, it was the Bible the whole time. It was the Bible the whole time, exactly. Anyway, the only reason I mention that is because at the start of the movie, he's been in Hawaii, I think. Yeah. And he comes back to mainland America to, like, find justice for this,

you know, these murders that have happened or whatever. And he starts out wearing a Hawaiian shirt and he just goes to the Goodwill and he just buys a new set of street clothes and he gives away his, like, Hawaiian clothes. But then for the rest of the movie, he's just got one set of clothes the whole time. And, like, several days pass.

And at one point he's just washing his shirt out in the sink and somebody's like can you put a shirt on he's like this is my shirt and i'm like that's what a what a weird character trait yeah only buy one set of clothes that's like that creepy backpacker yeah right going to a hostel they're always washing their one set of clothes in the sink because he i guess because it's like he doesn't believe in material things or whatever but you're a military man yeah buy two sets have two sets that's two sets of clothes in the seat I guess because it's like he doesn't believe in material things or whatever but you're a military man buy two sets of clothes have two sets

that's two sets of clothes how many jocks do you reckon he has as in underwear that's I don't even know put your jocks back on you never see him change

these are my jocks you never see him take his pants off and then his underpants and then put on a new pair of underpants and then put his pants back on

well that's insane to me good movie anyway the movie's fine gonna watch the sequel yeah probably but again I don't know if it's because same clothes you reckon no i think different clothes we'll see uh i i don't know like i thought it was a kind of fun but again i'm not sure if it's just because it's tom cruise has the crazy compelling performance yeah yeah or if it's actually it's pretty good i don't know well what a stirring endorsement

thank you mason guardians of the galaxy 3 has been delayed uh for now I don't know. Well, what a stirring endorsement. Thank you. Mason, Guardians of the Galaxy 3 has been delayed for now. We don't know what's going on there. Crew members that apparently were assembled in Atlanta to begin pre-production are now being dismissed and free to look for other work, which basically means I guess Marvel were looking for a director and they didn't quite find a director. I also think, is it the case in a lot of movies

where some of the director's crew always goes with them maybe potentially like it's the director of photography and the cinematographer and stuff i think maybe yeah they always have the same guy maybe so that's very possible yeah yeah so that's uh so that's interesting i'm not really surprised they couldn't find anybody in such short notice also Also, it's a big task to be. I think the only people who'd be bold enough to think they could do that are bad directors. Yes, for sure. Exactly. Yeah.

Ask McG. He'd probably do it. I was going to say. Seems like a nice man, probably. Yeah. Michael Bay. Michael Bay would do it. What level of director do you think it'd have to be before you're like, I'm not watching this?

Or are you already at that stage? I'd watch it. Yeah. I'm watching it regardless because I need to know what it'd have to be before you're like, I'm not watching this? Or are you already at that stage? I'd watch it. Yeah. I'm watching it regardless because I need to know what it's going to be like. That's true, yeah. Some people are saying they should get Edgar Wright. Why would he do it? Why would he do it?

I mean, I think he'd be great. I think he'd be a really good choice. But he left for creative reasons. Yes. And also I'm fairly certain he's friends with Taika Waititi or their friend Lee. And then in this case, another person was let go and he's going to come back for that. It just seems like a weird thing. Yeah, exactly.

I think there's a very real possibility that they'd be able to get him back at some point because they've kind of changed from the way they used to be around then. Yeah, but I mean, they wouldn't get him back for, to replace somebody who's also leaving in acrimonious circumstances. Yeah, right. That would be very odd, I think. Yeah, so I just wonder how long this is going to be delayed for. I mean, as far as we know at this point, he's not coming back, but maybe they delay it long enough where they could then bring him back because enough time has passed.

Yes, yeah. I think, look, they're going to make it regardless because, I mean, these make money, don't they? They sure do. So, you know, people love them. I will be interested to see how this impacts the script and the story and the existing characters because obviously now, spoilers for Infinity War, it's now out on home video. Book of Eli, it was a Bible.

Exactly, it was a Bible the whole time. Exactly. You know, we've reached a point where a lot of characters are in limbo. Yeah. And not literally limbo. One might be. One might be in limbo. But here's a possibility to wipe the slate clean.

Yes. The Guardians do have a backup set of Guardians they could use if they wanted to. That's actually true, yeah. They could use... And this was going to be the last one anyway in this set of Guardians. Yeah, that's true. So, I mean, they could bring in the Starhawk Guardians that we saw in Guardians 2 and be like,

here's the new Guardians. They're honouring the legacy of the old ones who all died slash went back to their home planets. No? So here's the... I think this is maybe where... This could be a turning point for Marvel fandom. Yeah.

Like if they go, you know what? Everybody objects, all the actors objected to being in this movie, so we're firing everybody. Sounds like a real image comics situation, Mason, which maybe we'll talk about later. Now, I know we said no Star Wars news this week. In fact, I promised that there was no Star Wars news. No, you didn't.'t know you didn't promise specifically what you said was even if there if there is star

wars news this week yeah i do not have to talk about it i think that's what you said okay even if they release a new star wars series or a movie this week not going to talk about okay fair enough well this actually isn't star wars news this is being harassed on the internet news. Does that fall? Is that okay? Who is being harassed on the internet? Callie Marie Tran. Ah, not again.

No, no, she's back. Did you see this? Oh, she's back. Okay, right, cool. So basically, she disappeared off social media due to a backlash of a movie, a particular movie. Who's to say which one? We don't know this week, do we?

I don't know. Oh, no, you don't know this one. I don't know. we don't know this week do we i don't know i know you don't know this i don't know to be just to be clear this is not my famous character my famous fleshed out well researched character guy who doesn't know what star wars is this is me yep may so yep not engaging with star wars news on any level fair enough enough. I know enough about Star Wars. That's the key difference. Guy who doesn't know what Star Wars is inexplicably has never heard of Star Wars. Every time it's brought up, he doesn't remember the last time.

I'm well-versed in Star Wars and I'm sick to death of it. Yeah, good. That's this guy. Very good, Mason. Well, basically, she wrote this piece on how she was, you know, about the social media reaction to her character in a particular movie, who's to say which one. This has also come off the back of people saying,

well, she might have just quit because she didn't want to be on social media. What if it wasn't the harassment? Well, this is probably just a coincidence. People quit social media all the time. People quit immediate incredible validation all the time with thousands of people telling them they love or hate them. You know, people just quit it.

I know, exactly. So I just thought I'd read out a little bit. I will never quit social media. I think you will one day get out of here mason no you're right i probably will yeah everyone does and then comes back uh their words seem to confirm uh that when growing up as a woman and a person of color already taught me that i belonged in margins and spaces valid only as a minor character in their lives and stories and those words awaken something deep inside me a feeling i thought uh i'd grown out of. That same feeling I had when I was nine. I was speaking Vietnamese.

I stopped speaking Vietnamese altogether because I was tired of hearing other kids mock me. I was 17 when I was at dinner with my white boyfriend and his family. I ordered a meal in perfect English and to the surprise of the waitress who exclaimed, wow, it's so cute. You have an exchange student. Also, she says, you might know me as Kelly. She signs off, I'm the first woman of color to have a leading role in the star wars movie i'm the first asian woman to appear on the cover of vanity fair my real name is uh i think it's loanne aloe in uh uh and i'm just getting

started so yeah i think that's really interesting i think that's really bit of sass i enjoy it yeah exactly and i like the go away let it you know let people kind of have their reactions and whatever wait a few months and then come back with this i think if she had to come back with this immediately i think i don't think it would have had this kind of impact i think this was really well timed and i think it's a really important message and i think on the off the back of this and crazy rich agent agents is doing well yeah there's a there's a netflix movie at the moment um tall boys i've loved i think it's called i watched it this week it's got an Asian lead. It's really good. Great. Okay.

So, I don't know. I think it's a really good time for this. So, yeah. She's just getting... I wonder if that means she's going to go by that name, going to be credited by that name. Yeah, okay. We'll see how that goes. Good stuff. Anyway, do you have anything to say about that at all?

It doesn't have to be... I've never seen her in anything. Yeah. So, I wish her the best of luck. Wait. So, you don't know what the thing is we're talking about? Which character are you doing? Oh, wait.

Yeah, okay. I didn't think of logistically this is quite difficult. Okay, I do know what you're talking about. Yeah. I wish her the best of luck. Fantastic. There we go. This is someone who might need the best of your luck, Mason.

Oh, yes. Ben Affleck has entered rehab for alcohol substance abuse. He's seeking treatment, apparently, and he knew he needed help and was vocal about it. He was driven there by Jennifer Garner. There's pictures of him. Bought him McDonald's on the way. Very nice. Isn't that good?

Yes. That's great. This is not viral marketing For McDonald's Oh no you shouldn't eat it It's horrible food It will kill you Disagree I think you should

No you shouldn't Yes you should I used to work there It's very clean But you should not eat it What about every once in a while Every once in a while Is fine for anything Mason

That's right Everything in moderation Everything in moderation Even a sweet double quarter pounder It's too much Too much meat If you're going to go anything Go with a double cheeseburger

It's a better portion No You've lost it mate The ratio's all off The onion's too much meat. If you're going to go anything, go with the double cheeseburger. It's a better portion. No. You've lost it, mate. The ratio's all off. The onion's different. What about nuggies? I don't have pickles or onions. Oh, yeah, that's right.

You're one of those times. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And this isn't a thing. You don't do it so you get a fresh burger. You just don't like those, do you? I just don't like them, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Fair enough.

Anyway, what does this mean for Batman? I guess people are asking. I don't know. I don't know. Just leave him alone. I feel like he doesn't want to be in asking. I don't know. I don't know. Just leave him alone. I feel like he doesn't want to be in this. I think we had a discussion about this earlier. Yeah.

I feel he doesn't really want to be in this industry anymore. And I think we should just leave him. Let him figure it out. Or, you know. He is doing a McDonald's movie, isn't he? About the McDonald's Monopoly scam or something. Didn't he buy that? Oh, yeah.

That's right. Okay. That's a fascinating. Yeah. But apparently he's a live-in, so he's going to be in there for a while. Okay. So we don't... Who knows how that's going to go?

I don't know. I don't know that story very well, the McDonald's one. I just know a lot of people did a thing, did a scam. That's all I know. I read an article on it, and a lot of it went in one ear and out the other, but it seems as if... in one ear and out the other but it seems as if the it's it's the guy the guy who was involved in like authenticating and creating the the game tokens i think he had access to the

the the he had access to like the safe of all the grand prizes and he could and he it was his job to insert them into the the prize like the individual yeah french fry containers or what have you all the or the drink cups and stuff like that and instead he like he developed an elaborate web of like okay i'm going to give this to you and give that to your friend and here's an elaborate backstory so you can claim that you won it and all this sort of stuff so okay gotcha sounds interesting it is interesting very good anyway good luck ben affleck wherever you are if you're listening to this you don't have to do batman if you don't want to yeah you could just quit just straight up say i don't want to do this look into your heart ben affleck and if you don't want to do

batman that's fine get some nuggies sit on the couch so good that's fine get a double quarter pounder if you want despite old Judgey McJudgeson over there

saying it's too much meat it's too much meat you're a big man Ben Affleck maybe if you're taking off the onions and pickles maybe it's a good ratio I agree

yeah I think it is it absolutely is Hans Zimmer has come out of retirement Mason to score Wonder Woman 2 that's pretty good, isn't it? I didn't know he was retired. Me neither.

So he did Batman v Superman. He didn't do Justice League because Danny Elfman did it. That was not good, was it? Remember they just went, we'll just do the Superman theme and the Batman theme. The original one. The Chris Reeves one and the Burton one. What else do you want in this movie? Colourful?

Yeah, we can change that the last minute. What else do you want? I don't remember the score in that movie at all. Yeah, there you go. But I remember the Batman Superman one and I remember the Man of Steel one and they're good. So, great. And Zimmer, Inception as well. Oh, he did too. He created that horn. That horn

note we all love. Son of a bitch. Not his fault though, is it? Did everybody else you know that also i think i think inception was hans zimmer and somebody else and a horn and oh yeah exactly very jimmy the horn jimmy the horn was it that's right yeah that's great famous blues man blind jimmy the horn so in other news mason of people leaving things, Danny Boyle has officially left Bond 25. Untitled Bond. That's right.

The release date is of next year, late next year. It hasn't been moved as of yet, but considering there's no writer or director, it'll probably be moved. Because last time they rushed a Bond film, they made Quantum of Solace, which I maintain is not as bad as you'd think it would be. I maintain it's just as bad as you'd think it would be.

Why? Goodness gracious, yeah. Apparently producers were unhappy with his script focusing on Russian villains and a modern-day Cold War. It is, which I think sounds great. That makes a lot of sense to me. In a way, it's fun that the Russians are back of villains, isn't it? We can shoot them again in movies.

Yep. Yeah. It's also said an even bigger issue was Danny Boyle's desire to cast Polish actor Tomasz Kot as the movie's unidentified lead bad guy. Bond producer Barbara Broccoli was reportedly infuriated with Boyle's insistence that he bring on his own team, including writing partner John Hodge, which was ordered in the script by Neil Purvis and Wade being put on hold

who they wrote, they've written everything from, they've written some good stuff some terrible stuff, yeah I don't know what did they write Die Another Day? and they also wrote Casino Royale but I don't but I don't know how much of the director's influence it has on that and it's also

I don't understand how the screenwriting process works and I believe it's one of those things where I think the credit for the writing goes to people for various reasons that are not entirely related to whether they wrote it or not

yeah right it's something like you can write the whole movie but if somebody comes in at last minute and swoops in and does some changes they can have the credit for the movie. Yeah, yeah, right. Exactly right. And I don't know what of that is true in these cases.

Who knows? What else have they... Have they done anything else except for Bond? I don't know. I'm sure they have, but they seem like to just be the in-house team for this. So I don't know. Anyway, I think this is a terrible idea. I mean, as we know, Mason,

we both agree that Sunshine is the best movie ever made. No, do you even really believe that it's the best movie ever made? We both believe it, Mason. Do you think it's the best movie ever made? It's a movie that was made and it is the best one. So yes, that is what I believe. Such a, what a bold claim by you. You can't think of a single other movie that might be better.

Can you? I mean, not currently. Because we've said that you've said Sunshine and I'm so filled with rage uh that i can't i can't think you know when somebody's like logan lucky's pretty good i watched that this week it's a good movie yeah it's a good movie that's true yeah uh-huh when you when somebody's like name a movie and you're like i can't think of a single uh yeah i can't now. See? Tarzan. That's not. Why would that one be the one?

Yeah, anyway. What do you think about this though? Getting rid of him and... Look, I kind of would have liked to see it. Yeah. I think they needed

a fresh independent voice. Yeah. Because, well, you've talked about how you think those movies peaked at Casino Royale, the new one.

Yeah, absolutely. You hate all of the other ones. You know who I'd like to see now? Who? And I didn't think I would have liked to see it a year ago christopher aquari yeah okay i could say that yeah i reckon he would do a great one didn't he do jack reacher probably yeah i think he did did you do the sequel as well never go back yeah wonder let me check for you i just want

to double check this yeah but do you think those movies work because of this? Like, I think Bond needs it. It can't rely on action set pieces the way that Mission Impossible necessarily does. I think... Well, the storyline, I think, needs to be more espionage and complex. And the latest Mission Impossible wasn't, I guess, that complicated? No, I think the opposite. I think the better Bond movies,

or at least I think one of the conceits of a Bond movie is just the bad guy's stolen two bombs. They're real big and maybe they set one off and they've got another one. They're going to blow the world up with it. Yeah. Now he's a fistfight on a construction site. Oh, that's a fair point.

And yeah, that's, yep, fair enough. He actually, he directed here we go mason he did he didn't he only did the first jack reacher but he also directed way of the gun and then didn't make anything for 12 years yeah with uh is it ryan felipe and way of the gun yeah and benicio del toro and one of them punches sarah silverman in the face like the first opening scene or something yeah that's the one that's all i remember from that movie yeah same yeah there you go no he's doing he's doing some good stuff remember from that movie. Yeah, same. Yeah, there you go. No, he's doing some good stuff then

from that movie that I don't remember. I don't remember that being good. Neither do I. It was in that interim period when no movies were really that good. Do you remember that? Yeah, I remember. There was Equilibrium and The Matrix,

but nothing else. Maybe The Green Mile was all right. I don't know. No, it wasn't. People say Castaway. I don't know. No, it wasn't. People say Castaway. I don't think Castaway's great. Anyway, so I don't know what direction this is going to go. People are speculating that maybe Craig's going to walk away.

But I don't imagine... Craig David? Yeah. Like that song he did? Very good. Well done. But he looks so happy with himself about that i'm trying to wait i'm trying to think of a way to tweet that it's impossible

guys guys just a bit of backstory remember the remember the artist craig david well he had a song called walking away anyway second tweet here we go no i don't know but i don't know what do you think about any of this you got any idea for who should replace people again are throwing up the name edgar wright yeah i mean hasn't really done something like this has he he well i mean baby driver had some good yeah totally yeah but were they i guess my question is okay so the action sequences if you were calling baby driver yeah did you find them would you would you say they're too surreal for a Bond movie? Maybe elements of.

I think that movie itself has surreal moments, but I think because a lot of that driving is real. I think if you were like Scott Pilgrim or World's End, if it was that kind of action, no, that wouldn't work. But I think Baby Driver, maybe. Because the driving in Baby Driver is real, but at the same time it is, you know, it's a movie where he drives onto like an oil slick

and he spins the car through like a, you know, with millimetres to spare through a narrow laneway or something like that. And I'm like, that wouldn't... Bond isn't that kind of driver, I guess. No, that's true, yeah. The current Bond isn't, at least, anyway. Yeah, all the other Bonds are the best at everything.

Yeah, so that's the thing. It's kind of on this edge of like, does that work as a... Because, you know, Bond is kind of a heightened reality. Do you want him to be the suave guy who can, you know, drive between two tables at an Italian restaurant? I think this one would go through the tables. Yeah, see, that's what I'm talking about. Probably kill a kid on the way.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I think he could do it. I think he's shown to be adaptable. So, I mean, look, Scott Pilgrim's different than everything else he's done. That's true. And so, action-wise, so, you know. Anyway, just recast Bond anyway.

Just start afresh anyway. You know what I mean? Emily Blunt, that's what I'm saying. Well, someone, I saw this on Twitter. I wish I knew where it came from. Somebody said if you want to do a female Bond, a good way to do it might be you make it an M prequel and you set it in like the 60s or 70s.

Oh, and that's M. That's Lady M. I think that would be insane. I think that would be such a good idea. And it would also shut people up about doing a Lady Bond. And you could do it Looper style where Emily Blunt slowly morphs into Judy Dench. In one scene? Over the course of the movie, yeah.

But there's one very jarring scene. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you think about that, though? Yeah, that could be cool. I like that. Because I want that era of Bond back. Yep.

So, you know, however they want to do it, it's fine with me. Cool, man. Yeah. Okay, what else we got here? Mason, Dominic Monaghan, who you might remember as in Bloody Lord of the Rings, he's one of the hobbits. He was in Lost. Where are we?

He's that one. He's that guy, yeah. He's in Lost. He's from the Lost TV spot that everyone saw. He's been cast in a very popular sci-fi movie, which is currently being shooting at the moment with J.J. Abrams. Huh. Yeah.

So I think that's really exciting. It's happening right now. Yeah, okay. Do you have anything to add? I don't really need to know any more details about that. Okay, very good. The Alfred TV series has a synopsis, and you are going to love this.

I'm talking to everybody listening. Alfred. Mason's texting his mum to let her know that he told a really good Craig David joke. Hey, mum. Listen up. You remember Craig David. No. Okay.

All right. I'm back. You good? Yeah. All right. So the Alfred Tempest. I'm walking away from the troubles in my life. I'm walking away. He did the line beard.

Sorry? He had the line beard. He did, yeah. Him and the guy from Smash Mouth. Oh, yep. Killing it. Yes. Impossible to maintain the line beard.

Why was it in Iron Man 3 all of a sudden because he had to provide the illusion of a chin he had a chin in that one didn't he yeah i know but it was about it was you know you think it was yeah i think he was doing some wing chung in that wasn't he he was doing some wing chung is that a thing is that the name of a martial art yes it is yes i knew that uh-huh okay uh the alpha tv series as we know is a prequel series. To Gotham? No. It's just a prequel series in general. It's not related to Gotham. Here we go. Alfred is trying to reconcile the kind-hearted boy he once was

with the ruthless killer he was forced to become. Wow. The Wayne father is in it. What's his name? Steve Wayne? Yes, Steve Wayne. Steve Wayne. What brings him to London? Yeah, Steve Wayne. Steve Wayne. What brings him to London?

Apparently, Steve Wayne is trying to find his sister. And Steve Wayne... Eve Wayne. Eve Wayne. Steve Wayne is said to be intelligent, deeply moral, and idealistic. Characteristics that Alfred will come to instill in Thomas's orphan son. Let's go back to the thing about Alfred being a cold-blooded killer or whatever. Yep.

Do you think he's going to be some he's going to be ptsd alfred or something is that what's happening here uh from from the war yeah from the war what era is this going to be set in also how old's alfred i guess it depends is it is it but that's the thing it could be modern day that's true yeah right this could i mean they're all vaguely the 30s are they yeah see that's even the thing with... Or 50s. The thing with anything Batman is do you set it in that Burton animated series verse where it's kind of the 40s but it's also the modern day? There's blimps but there's also TVs in your car. Exactly.

Or do you set it now... Where there's TVs in your car and blimps. Because it would be much cheaper to set it now... Yes. ...than to set it in, like, the 80s. But a lot of this stuff just films in dark alleys and whatever anyway. I don't really think it. And Gotham City, I guess, is its own thing.

Its own thing, yeah. And I guess there's enough existing sets. Yeah, Gotham sets. But this also might be London, but you could just make it. There's enough old stuff in London. Just put the bloody Tower of London in the background and you're fine. That's all you need. And it's got a TV in it.

Yeah. Anyway, are you going to watch this? I mean, I've watched every episode of Krypton. I'm up for another Batman prequel. Sorry, DC prequel series. I hope we get some villain origins in it. We get a Joker origin before we get Thomas Wayne doing it. Thomas Wayne's still a kid.

Oh, my God. And we're getting a Joker origin. we get Thomas Wayne doing it. Thomas Wayne's still a kid. Oh, my God. And we're getting a Joker origin. I would love that. I think that would be great. Well, speaking of, they're filming Gotham at the moment, and one of the people that's seen on set looks like the lead mutant from The Dark Knight Returns. I saw that, yeah.

I mean, that is 40 years early. That's so early. Yeah, right? Yeah. Because that's the future. That's the future. I mean, it's the 80s future. But it's the future. It's the future that's the future I mean it's the 80s future but it's the future

it's the far decades into the future that's so odd isn't it do you think this is maybe a flash forward it could be I mean this might be what I mean

conceivably what they could do is they could because you know the last episode of Smallville had yeah Clark Kent finally working at the Daily Planet

and he opens the shirt and he's got the superman outfit maybe maybe a clip on youtube yeah maybe maybe this maybe the final episode is we cut or maybe the final the final couple of episodes are he is 10 years in the future he's 20 years in the future he's 30 okay yeah that's not a bad idea i'm pretty sure that's not what it is i'm pretty sure it's just going to be he's fighting the mutants in modern day Gotham. Probably. I just had a thought though. What if Gotham transitioned to another era

where Batman isn't Batman in between when he retired and comes back? So it's just the eras of Batman where he's not Batman. That would be great. And it's just the last season is him just staring. He's looking out the window of Wayne Manor as Gotham crumbles.

And he's like, don't really feel like being Batman anymore. Don't really feel like it. I'm not feeling it. You know, and then night, the bat signal goes on. And he shaves his mustache. And then it ends. And he's like, nah, not tonight though. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. I love that. I don't. But it wouldn't surprise me if there's going to be a series set in between. Because what I want is I want tiny snippets of just awesome Batman costumes and Batman action. Yeah. And not a series of that. No, you don't want that.

Yeah. Yuck. Very good. Yucky. Do you want this, Mason? Probably. I bet for those people that I know, in The Dark Knight Returns, Bruce Wayne has a mustache. And then he subconsciously shaves it when he becomes Batman again.

Brendan Fraser is going to be returning to entertainment mediums in the form of Robot Man in the Doom Patrol TV series. I was going to say he is back already. Oh, yeah, he's in. Sorry, you're right, he is. Is he good in that? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, he's going to be Robot Man. Okay.

Yeah. Cliff Steele. Do you think he's going to have all the... Maybe he's just the? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Reese goes, you're going to be Robot Man. Okay. Yeah. Cliff Steele. Do you think he's going to have all the... Maybe he's just the voice. Could be. Yeah. But you think someone else is going to be the Robot Man or CGI? Maybe.

Not going to be CGI. Probably CGI. In a TV series? Yeah. What about Bloody Lost in Space? Yeah. But that's a lot of that as a man in a suit. Oh, well, then it's not him.

I think you might do it. Somebody suggested... I think this was on our planet. I just imagine him in like a Crichton suit. Just a really sweaty, uncomfortable, angular suit. Just the old Crichton suit. Yeah. And they've sprayed it silver.

Yeah, whatever. Or whatever colour robot man he is. I think maybe he's gold. Yeah, I think his head is. I'll look it up. So somebody on the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates Facebook group suggested, and I don't have your name here, but somebody suggested that he would be good as the Sentry in Marvel. Okay, yeah.

Like, I think they should introduce... Did we have this conversation? I think that maybe in... He's gold. The new one's got, like, a leather jacket or whatever. So I think that maybe at the end of, like, Avengers 4, you know, we always have the post-credits sequence. I reckon they do, like, half a dozen just new origins

in the post-credits sequence. Just snap them out real quick. That'd be great. Maybe like three heroes, three villains. Yeah. And just be like, there's a new one. Because we don't need a full necessarily for... No, I guess we don't.

I reckon just... And I reckon somebody suggested Brendan Fraser as the Sentry. I could say that. I think that would be good. Because again, he's got that recognition as like that kind of... Heroic. He's got that heroic look. And we know him as like...

Rick O'Connell. Exactly. Leading man hearts rob thing. That guy from G.I. Joe. Exactly. And give him some time to bloody get super ripped. Yeah, yeah. Well, his body apparently, he he was like those mummy films ruined

my body oh right okay yeah so i don't know whether he's uh well i would maybe even him and maybe do it captain marvel style where it's him and then like oh you cgi cgi and keep the face keep the face yeah sure yeah keep the face that's the best bon jovi album i think you'll find it's a craig david album there is a bon jovi i'm called keep the faith there is no i know there is That's the best Bon Jovi album. I think you'll find it's a Craig David album. There is a Bon Jovi album called Keep the Faith, Mason. There is. No, I know there is. Is there a Craig David one?

No, I don't think so. This is Craig David heavy and I love it. I got one more bit of news. The actor who plays the tall man in the tall dog suit in a popular sci-fi film. He's coming back for reshoots. Reshoots because apparently he shot a bunch of scenes for the new sci-fi film when he was making the prequel sci-fi film set in the same series. I love this lack of detail.

I love it. Can you provide me with any more detail though? That's popular. You know what I mean? People like it. We had one earlier this year that financially did not do well, probably even lost money. And then then recently like just before that they had another one which did well but it was very divisive to fans really interesting they can be yeah they can be i mean people people have soured on them a little bit can you provide me with more information bearing

in mind if i don't like the information i'll really angry. I don't want to risk that. But, okay, let's say there's Imagine Space. Yep. And Imagine Wizards. Ooh, I like that. Imagine those two things combining, except the wizards don't have swords. They cut people in half with lasers. Wow, that's cool. That's pretty cool.

They can do flips. Some of them can't. Can't do a flip. Yeah, some of them are puppets. Some of them are Alec Guinness There's a spectrum You know what I mean Sounds like there is

They run the gamut don't they They do I mean thinking of Alec Guinness Yeah In various You're thinking of Bridge Over River Kwai Exactly various war movies over the years Yeah yeah yeah

And then a puppet You know like maybe Howdy Doody The cowboy puppet The marionette Yeah yeah yeah They're very different They're very different. They're very different, but they both can do the thing that I said. Imagine a spaceship.

Imagine a spaceship faster than a light could travel. The speed of, say, something could travel at roughly what light can also travel at that speed. Does that make sense? Yeah. Can you express it in terms of a measurement of distance as opposed to a measurement of distance well i'm not sure in this universe what their measurement of distance is necessarily you know what i mean i know they don't use meters or miles parsecs yeah it could be i could i don't know and i couldn't tell you it's fascinating i love the sound of this universe. Yeah, yeah. It sounds like something you could be into if you weren't such a big bitch.

Anyway, I think that this, you, right, in this series, this ninth one in the regular series. There's a few of them. Yeah, I think there might. I think I would have heard of it before. I think they might be in a bit of a panic about what they're going to do. Because as you mentioned, one of them was a little less controversial. A little less controversial, yeah. And I think because the last one didn't do super well,

and you want something that pleases the fans, but you also want to do something new. So I think this reshoot of whatever, if it's true, doesn't surprise me. There are also some set photos that leaked out this week for some popular characters. No wizards, no puppets. But nonetheless, they were there. What do you think?

Gambling's popular. They could put maybe like a scene in a casino or something. I think that's been covered. I'm fairly confident. Yeah, yeah. I'm not an expert, obviously. All right, okay. But yeah.

Yeah. Kid with a broom? What about him? Put one of those in. It's not a bad idea at all. That's right. Can he be magic? He could be magic.

The magic kid with a broom. Fantastic. Mason, Labor Day is fast approaching in the US. What does that mean there specifically? I don't know. I'm not really sure what it means here. I think they dumped some tea in a harbour. Is that true?

No. It doesn't sound like Labor. It sounds like vandalism. Do you think it's something to do with the president with wooden teeth? It could be. What other old things from America can you think of? Ships firing a cannon into a man. All those things.

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No. I bet if you did it again, not that you would ever need another mattress, Mason, but if you were to... I plan to die on this mattress. Then you'd film it, right? Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, like the other way somebody gets a photo of their firstborn or whatever. I didn't do that, but people do that, don't they?

You didn't? No, I didn't. I was going to say. Bloody hell. It did feel weird, though. You know what I mean? Because it's like, it's a very, there's a lot going on. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, it's got so much damage. It's definitely worth checking out. But basically... But after this, why would you bother? You don't need to. This is better because we're adding additional knowledge from our own memory banks, aren't we? Yes, that's right. That's right. Because I know you were big into comics at the time when all this happened.

So big, yeah. You're well into it. So we were going to kind of go through Image Comics and whatever, but there's a lot. 1991 to today. We're going to cover how many years is that? 21. 27 years?

17. Wow. 21? 27. 2001. It's 27. Is it? Yep.

Okay. It's a teacher in me, Mason. Yep. I've still got it. Wow. 2001. It's 27. Is it? Yep. Okay. It's a teacher in me, Mason. Yep. I've still got it. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, so basically we thought we'd kind of run through how it started, some popular titles,

and probably up to where it kind of shifted into what we know as modern image comics. I think it's a fascinating tale of how they have bolstered the industry in a lot of ways, and initially kind of not. Right? Kind of sent the industry in a lot of ways and initially kind of not. Right? Kind of sent the industry into a nosedive. Yeah, they were part of it at the very least. Yeah, there was a few things going on in the 90s. I mean, it's not entirely their fault.

Definitely not. But it's not our fault, though. No, it's definitely not our fault, all right? Bloody hell. Yeah, that's it. So basically, Image was started by, can you name the original seven or eight people? Okay, here we go.

All right. Well, obviously, Todd McFarlane. Obviously, Rob Liefeld. Yes. That's two. Yep. Jim Lee. Yep.

Wills Portatio. Wills Portatio. Who people will know as one of the many patron saints of the podcast. Big fan. Didn't a listener get him to say, grab that jam at a convention? Yeah, what a bloody legend. Okay. Mark Silvestri.

Yes. That's five. Yep. Yeah, what a bloody legend. Okay. Mark Silvestri. Yes. That's five. Yep. Jim Valentino. Very good. And Eric Larson. That's good. Well done.

Nailed it. So those guys were basically working for Marvel, and Marvel were killing it. Yes. Like millions and millions of copies. As has been mentioned, currently in the comic book landscape, if your book sells 100,000 copies, that is phenomenal. Yeah. That's mind-blowing.

Yeah. But like in the 90s, a comic book didn't sell a million copies. It was kind of like... You had to shoot yourself. You had to shoot yourself, exactly. And these seven had avoided the bullet for a long time.

That's correct. They were doing great. They had built up so much goodwill. Yeah. They felt like they never had to shoot themselves. yeah yeah these guys were the bad yeah they they were considered look they were considered the bad boys of so well some of them were some of them thought they were yeah so definitely but like they they did the i think was rob leifeld he got the ultimate bad boy prize in that era which is he got to do a levi he did didn't he yeah that was

also that was also an honor bestowed upon the creators of id software the creators oh right okay i think a couple of those guys got to do a levi's 501 that was the era for both of those things happening yes yeah just think of just a pair of levi five just a pair of levi 501 dad slacks and a big white t-shirt tucked in. Oh, bad boys. That's back in a big way. Yeah. Yeah, well, working for Marvel though, like they'd had a huge influence on that company.

Jim Lee, Spider-Man was, we've got some numbers here. No, Jim Lee did X-Men. Sorry, Todd McFarlane's Spider-Man, sorry. 2.5 million. Did you call him Spider-Man? Spider-Man, yeah. Todd McFarlane's Spider-Man.

Don Spider-Man. Don Spider-Man. Don Spider-Man. Issue one sold 2.5 million. I have one of those. Do you really? It's worth nothing. It's bagged and boarded. Exactly, yeah.

Rob Liefeld's X-Force sold 5 million. Yep. And Jim Lee's X-Men was 8 million. 8 million copies, yeah. Which is still the biggest selling comic of all time, which is insane. He didn't even get a Levi's commercial. You know what? I also think I have an X-Force number one somewhere.

Incredible. Bagged and boarded, one of six million. Worth nothing. Which of these creators got to play one-on-one with Godzilla in a basketball commercial? Is there an actual answer to that? No, there's not. You're thinking of Charles Barkley.

Charles Barkley. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah. So they were crushing it. And I guess there'd been a history, well, you know more about this, of comic creators just being screwed out of royalties. Yeah. Marvel and DC were famous crushing it. And I guess there'd been a history, well, you know more about this, of comic creators just being screwed out of royalties. Yeah. Marvel and DC were famous for it.

Screwed out is maybe not. I mean, in some instances that is true. In some instances it's not. Yeah. Because in some cases it's like, who knew? Where was your platform to build this? Yeah, who knew that this was going to become popular? You know, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster famously created Superman. And Jerry Seinfeld created Seinfeld.

Exactly. He's doing quite well. Yeah. He's got so many cars. He was wise to go independent of Marvel to do that. Absolutely. So Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster famously created Superman for DC, and they gave over all their rights to it.

And now, of course, it's lunchboxes, it's action figures, it's movies or whatever. And for a long time, they didn't see a penny of that because it was just like, well, you got paid for... Did they die without seeing it? I know the families get it now or they got it late in the day or one of them did. I think they got it late in the day.

Yeah, right. Yeah. And so, yeah, the comic book industry has famously been work for hire. Yes. You get paid for your day's work and you... Do the art and fuck off. Yeah, exactly. That was basically how it worked.

And so if you create a character for one of the big two, they own it. Yes. And you don't see any... Like, again, they put it on lunchboxes they make a movie or whatever so like todd mcfarlane who was working on spider-man created venom and so i think todd mcfarlane got a pretty good deal he was so well regarded like he created he created that look of spider-man which i think is quite standard now yes which is the super bendy limbs the kind of very dynamic look and the detail on the

webbing and the yeah so like prior to him you know spider-man swinging down on his web looked kind of like a trapeze artist like kind of all like one you know kind of angular and like one kind of like like a banana he looked like he looked like a red and blue banana swinging by on a piece of string yeah and he and todd mcfarlane was like because if you look at spider-man's like uh marvel universe bio thing it says he has incredibly elastic limbs and he's super humanly strong or whatever so todd mcfarlane clearly read the bio and went we'll just have him have him spider-like have him like yeah limbs splayed out and the proportions are different yeah kind of like unnatural yeah bending or whatever and yeah again this huge spools of webbing flying all about the place, kind of like so much detail.

And people clearly respond to that. Eric Larson also, he worked on a Spider-Man book, and he had kind of a similar look. It was really quite dynamic. And kind of like they brought this energy that prior artists really hadn't. And so Todd McFarlane got his own Spider-Man book, was just Spider-Man. I think he got a pretty sweet deal for that.

Right, right. Like some decent royalties. But again, anything you'd done prior to that. Not so much, yeah. Selling a million copies, you get what you did for that day. You get what you get and you don't get upset. Except in this case, they got very upset. They did get very upset.

Which I think rightly so. And so Rob, it was actually Rob Liefeld's idea, the Michael Jordan of comics as he calls himself, to go, to be independent of this situation.

The studio system, yeah. So they didn't have, they weren't all on board at first. But the big hitter they wanted to get was Jim Lee. Are you aware of the Travelling Wilburys? The band?

The band, the Travelling Wilburys. I am familiar with them. It turns out they and Image Comics have a similar trajectory because a lot of the Travelling Wilburys teamed up kind of by accident. Right. George Harrison needed to create a B-side for one of his singles. And then I think he was like, he was in America and Bob Dylan had a studio. So he's like, I'll just go to Bob Dylan's studio and record it.

And then he was like, I left my guitar at this other guy's house. So I'll go and get that. And he went over and he was like, I'm recording this single. Do you want to come over? And they went, okay. And then just a whole bunch of them got together and they recorded a song. And they're like, this is too good to be a B-side. Yeah.

I'm just going to. We're the best band in the world. We're the best band in the world. And they to be a bayside yeah i'm just gonna the best band in the world the best band in the world and they were for a minute they were the michael jordan of best bands in the world exactly that's when michael jordan is born yeah uh that were the rob leifeld of music exactly but like image kind of had the same thing because todd i believe todd mcfarlane ran so they had a couple of people together it was todd mcfarlane rob leifeld mark sylvestre i think and that and todd mcfarlane ran... So they had a couple of people together. It was Todd McFarlane, Rob Liefeld, Mark Silvestri, I think. And Todd McFarlane ran into Jim Lee at an art auction. Yeah.

It was just like, tomorrow we're going to go into a meeting with Marvel. 7 a.m. we're going to go in. Do you want in? And they thought he would be like, nah. No, thank you. I'm pretty good. But he was 100% keen. That's interesting because they were like, okay,

we're all the hottest. We're the biggest selling artist. It's either now or never. Yeah, absolutely. And they were like, yes, it's now. And I think that was interesting. What was interesting is I can't remember who it was. It might have been Jim Valentino.

I might be wrong. He was like, I'm kind of bored of comics. I've done the X-Men and whatever. I've kind of done everything I want to do. And this is an opportunity to create something yes for yourself because there wasn't trying to think a lot of the new marvel characters from that time uh that's not really all they've kind of been established you know 30 years prior to all this kind of happening what i love about this though they go

they went into marvel and said we're all quitting And then the next day they made a deal. They made a meeting with DC. Yes. And went in and said, just so you know, we're going independent. Yes. There's no reason to do it. No reason to do it. And it seemed like Liefeld was really into that.

Yeah. Just kicking sand in people's faces. That's a bad boy thing to do. Boy is it. That'll get you a jeans commercial. Because I believe at the time, some of those guys had worked for dc yeah like jim lee had never jim lee was marvel exclusive for for a long which is weird because he's such a huge dc yeah he's since component now yeah um but uh they went and apparently they went through the doors and dc were like

oh they were we're getting jim lee.S. you're never getting Jim Lee. We're just here to show off that we're doing this. And I guess to some, like they didn't need to do this. They didn't need to do this meeting, but they were just like. It's pretty funny though. Yeah, it is pretty funny. Power move. So the established Image Comics, February 1st, 92.

I thought there was something interesting from the documentary was that Rob Liefeld wanted to get Jack Kirby Presents in the corner because all Marvel comics for a really long time have had like Stan Lee Presents at the top of everyone and Jack Kirby again was a guy who had quit like he had worked for Marvel and quit Marvel he'd worked for DC, he'd quit DC he'd come back and forth because they gobbled up his ideas

and they didn't really compensate him for him. Turns out they did in the end. Yes, but a lot of credit. But he got very soured on a bunch of that. Yeah, a lot of credit. He created a lot of stuff and a lot of credit was not given to him. And so they were like, wouldn't it be funny kind of thing if they were like, get kirby to as the face of

independent comic books yeah or like the granddaddy of of telling the big two to i think they should have done it because i think they ended up not asking him i think they just spoke to him they spoke to his wife yeah time who said i don't think they ever spoke to him directly but they spoke to his wife and she said he supports you completely yeah off the back of this though the marvel stocks dropped dramatically because they lost some major talent and i got the core principles here of i mean there's i'm sure there are other rules which we'll get into number one pouches every character has so many pouches uh everybody own their own stuff and a company just take a percentage of the sales. Yes. The only thing owned by Image is the logo in the image eye. Don't interfere with the work of others, which came into play later when it kind of started to fall apart.

Don't eat yellow snow. Which a lot of people did. Yeah, that's right. You know, because they were the bad boys of comics. That's right. Yeah. They made the rules and then they broke the rules. Yeah, that's right.

No double bouncing. They're going to break that rule, aren't they? Break that rule, exactly. So basically they set up, each set up a separate publishing name. Yeah, like a subgroup, exactly. I've got the names here. The only one he didn't was Wilf's Potatio because he had Sick Family. But we had Wildstorm, Extreme.

That's Rob Liefiffel guess who that was todd mcfarland productions top cow highbrow entertainment if i were there if look i'll be honest with you if i was one of those guys i'd be like todd can i call my studio todd mcfarland you have to pick something else but i'm gonna call my todd mcfarland productions highbrow entertainment and shadow line i mean the name Extreme, I can see why that one solved well, because that's the perfect name for that era. And it ties into the X-Men, which were popular at the time. Well, I believe it was called the Exodus at the time.

Oh, really? Okay. Because a lot of those guys had worked on X-Books. Oh, okay. So Liefeld, Patacio. Wills Patacio? Wills Patacio. Wills Patacio, yeah. And Syatio. Wills Patatio. Yeah.

And Sylvester, I think it all worked on X-Men or X-Force books. Okay. Good stuff. Oh, actually, Wills Patatio, yeah, he worked on X-Factor. X-Factor, the TV series. I hate that show. No. Oh.

So, got some numbers here as well for a lot of their number ones in this series in general. Savage Dragon, Wildcat, Shadowhawks sold $500,000 each, which is good. Yeah, for sure. For the day, you'd have to shoot yourself. Shoot yourself. But they had a rule, no shooting yourself. Believe in yourself, don't shoot yourself. That's right.

But Youngblood sold, which was Rob Liefeld, sold $1.4 million and Spawn sold $2 million. Yeah, right. Well, I mean, they were the biggest guns and the loudest guns for sure. And Youngblood, if I remember correctly, Youngblood was just a teen titan. Like it was unused Teen Titans. Oh, okay, right.

Rob Liefeld had pitched a Teen Titans. A team of Teen Titans. A team of Teen Titans to DC and they were like, actually we'll pass on this. And he's like, why waste a good, why waste a good bloody, a good idea? Yeah. It's a really good idea. It's really iconic.

Yeah. So he had a, like, if you look at those characters, like the main guy in that was Shaft, who's a, who's a red suited arrow guy. Right. Who is, so, and, and Speedy. Shaft. Yeah, exactlyited Arrow guy. Right. Who is... So, and Speedy. Shaft. Yeah, exactly. Shaft, exactly.

So, he was... Speedy was... Who's been Red Arrow and Arsenal. He Alan Moore Watchman'd this. He really did, yeah. But not without DC's approval. And success. Exactly.

Yeah, so he was... That's Green Arrow's sidekick and do you know where they're at the young blood no i could not tell you for a million dollars okay well i don't just shut this briefcase uh what do we got here okay what do you think of those comics from the era uh they're really dumb yeah the art is dated but it's good, but it's very, it's like you said, it's pouches and weird torsos and tiny feet. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They went, okay, clearly what we've got is this dynamism and this kind of like when it's not a movie or a TV show, they don't have to look like real people. They can look like gods and they can look, and we've got this new look and we're going to shoot for it every time. And so I think it got more and more ridiculous as time went on.

Yes, yeah. And all the women had the tiny waist, super curvy tiny waist, and every shot of them was like in that weird- Weird angle, yeah. That weird angle where you could see their boots and their boots. They put their boots at the same time.

And they were all, it was always like, yeah, like that back-breaking turn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's- I mean, it's a hyper whatever universe, I guess, isn't it? At the same time, yeah. But no, even at the time, though, the writing was criticized. Yeah. Isn't that right?

Well, because they were, again, like- A lot of these guys weren't writers. Well, exactly. You can, any, you know, there are plenty of people out there that are very talented writers and artists. Yeah. yeah isn't that right well because they were again like a lot of these guys weren't writers well exactly you can any you know there are plenty of people out there that are very talented writers and artists

yeah and I'm sure there were some great stories that came out of that so I think Eric Larson is a great writer yeah I agree but yeah I mean

a lot of those guys they were the bad boys because they were the incredible artists the writers did not get as much credit these guys were

rock stars. Exactly. I think these days writers get a lot more credit. They get the credit they're due. It's bullshit. Back in the day, who knows? We both think it's bullshit, don't we? I think maybe back in the day,

writers were kind of the workhorses. They were like, okay, we need a plot. Okay, here's the plot now. And especially at Marvel. Yeah. But yeah, some of that some of that stuff was not some of the dialogue especially you have any of it do i think i've got some i think i i've given a box i think i've got some yeah yeah wow some classic 90s stuff i'm sure i have some

something you definitely do uh so they also took over dc for the number two comic spot which was huge because they had something like 75 of of the industry between them and Marvel, and they didn't get to number one, but that's still incredible. I think also probably they wouldn't have had the number of books that Marvel had out, I assume. I don't know that for a fact. Also, Rob Liefeld tells a story of how he met with Tom Cruise about a movie role, and he was late,

and Tom Cruise pulled him aside, like Tom Cruise ripped through him. Wow. About being like, listen to me. You could have had the courtesy to call a hand and up Tom Cruise. And then afterwards he was like, but let's make a great movie. Okay, let's go. Yeah, right. He really Tom Cruise'd at him.

That's incredible. This movie never happened. None of these movies ever happened except for Spawn, which we'll talk about. There were some animated series, which we can get to, but they were taking all these Hollywood meetings and whatever, Rob Liefeld was in particular. He's still very much interested in making that happen. I mean, he's always banging on about Deadpool and X-Force

and whatever, even though the things that people like about that series aren't related to him. That's right. But he's Michael Jordan in a lot of ways. That's true, yeah. He fought Charles Barkley about that series. He didn't care. Unrelated to him. That's right. But he's Michael Jordan in a lot of ways. That's true, yeah. He fought Charles Barkley in that commercial. He plays golf and he grew a Hitler mustache that time. But they also admitted at the time they're really bad at business

because they're artists. Yes, uh-huh. They missed deadlines. Distribution was way off, like printing, accounting, none of this stuff they understood. Business is hard. Yeah. As someone who lets Claire run the business, it looks hard.

It sure does, yeah. Yep. So they brought in Larry Marder from Marvel. He was hired as an executive in 93 to kind of fix things up. And they also started taking on other writers. Alan Moore came in, did some stuff, which I'd imagine would have appealed to him because he'd been screwed multiple times. That's true, yeah.

And all that kind of thing. He did a, for anybody, I'm sure I've mentioned this in the podcast before, Rob Liefeld had a series called Supreme. Yes. And on the very surface level, it was like a kind of a Superman ripoff. Yeah.

I can say ripoff. And he went to Alan Moore and and said do you want to take a crack at this and alan moore said yes but i'm throwing away literally everything about the character except for the name yep and he went all right and that's a that's a super that's such a good run yeah if you can track that down i'm sure you can get it digitally so would you say start at leifeld and work your way to more no unnecessary. Unnecessary. Just the Liefeld stuff. No. You're misinterpreting what I'm saying.

I feel deliberately. Just get the Alan Moore run. It's really, really good. It's kind of like a retrospective of the world of Superman. Yeah, right. But it's not Superman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of like Black Hammer.

Yeah, which continues to be amazing. Which is a love letter to superheroes, but it's not the superheroes you're thinking of kind of thing. And that's what Supreme is. It's kind of this love letter to Superman, but not using Superman. Because of all these dudes and all their kind of, they're all the big main players from the day. Cracks were starting to show, Mason.

Image was split into groups. There was like studio collaborations with like a whole lot of different teams working and then there were solo books. And apparently the solo books were more, they went out more regularly than the... Yeah, right. Which is strange that that would be the way that it, but that worked.

Also, this is about time when comics were about to crash in a big way. Yeah, right. They were going up in price because all the classic stuff was being rediscovered. Issues of Superman were selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars or whatever. And so people were buying up all these new issues thinking that we've talked about yeah we've talked about speculator madness which happens in a lot of industries but it's kind of like people went you know people discover these old episodes the issues action comics number one

and they're going for huge numbers and then speculators went okay well we should get on the ground floor spawn is going to be the new superman yeah young blood is going to be the new superman superman exactly yeah so if we if we get a number one of this we bag it we bought it yeah we hold on to it for 50 years we're gonna that's i i've seen video of people going this is my retirement fund yes i'm gonna sell these comic books. For some reason, nobody twigged that the reason that Action Comics number one is so valuable is not just because it was the iconic appearance of Superman. It's because back when that comic was published, nobody cared about comic books at all. Worthless.

It was like the newspaper. Yeah. You read it, you threw it away. If you've got the first newspaper as well, look out. Cha- newspaper. Yeah. You read it, you threw it away. He's got the first newspaper as well. Look out. Cha-ching. Yeah. But so, I mean, so there was so few copies in existence that, you know,

that's why it became worth something. The fact that there were 8 million copies of X-Men number one, all bagged and boarded and hermetically sealed, so they would never degrade. Yes. It means they'd never be worth anything. You're going to have to wait a thousand years. Yeah, that's it. Exactly.

And you'll be dead. And even then, no one wants them. Exactly. But also in 1996, 9 out of 10 comic book stores were closed. And this was also the image guys, they're like, look, we were partly to blame for this. Yeah, right. But they also said the Marvel variant covers were a big deal.

You know, they do like five or six an issue with various holograms they have holograms metallic covers yeah prismatic covers prismatic i have been uh wait what's prismatic oh like holographic pragmatic yeah there's some very pragmatic covers yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah always pays their pay the bills first you gotta and then splurge on something for yourself. That's important. Yeah. But like I've been going through my pet, like stuff I stored at my parents' house. I found a lot of holographic covers. I bet you did.

Metallic covers. Oh boy. Let me tell you. And there was also a bunch of stunts that happened at the time. They break in Batman's back. Superman died and then returned fairly quickly. Black armband.

You got a black armband. You got a black armband and all that bunch of stuff. And also Rob Liefeld and Jim Lee returned to Marvel to do Heroes Reborn. That's true, they did. So Marvel wanted a... Vitalize the franchise.

Marvel... All their books were selling shitly. Yeah, so Marvel wanted to revamp... Yeah, Marvel was not selling well. They wanted to revamp some of their characters and so they got some of their i get which i guess were at the time a kind of b-list ish characters and went okay let's captain america's and yeah so captain america iron man the hulk the fantastic four and they went okay let's uh this around the time of amalgam it probably would

have been i want to say this was pre-amalgam but i can't remember but it was i also found all my amalgam comics i bet you did yeah we should do some of them for caravan of garbage all right don't get your dirty fingers on them though i don't want to touch your i want digital copies okay good yeah good like i'm from the future nice but yeah so they went okay so there was a there was a marvel storyline about a villain called onslaught which was the the combination of Professor X and Magneto. Yeah. And then at the end,

some of the heroes heroically sacrificed themselves by diving into Onslaught and ended up in a pocket universe where they were so extreme. Even more extreme than the regular universe. More extreme than a regular universe. That's crazy. That was the heroes' reborn universe. And it was no good. They tried than the regular universe. That's crazy. That was the Heroes Reborn universe. Ah.

And it was no good. They tried to ultimate Marvel Ultimate it, I guess. Prior to Marvel Ultimate. Or DC 52 for more modern references, I guess. I haven't read much of any of this. So I don't think, I don't know. I remember them looking great. Yeah, I actually looked up some of them and that's not true. Okay, good.

I mean, for the time, yeah. Yeah, for sure. So that kind of and that's not true. Okay, good. I mean, for the time, yeah. Yeah, for sure. So that kind of, that didn't sit well with Image. I mean, you're obviously free to do whatever you want, but when you got some of your main players doing stuff back at Marvel, you know, that wasn't looking good. Also, Alan Silvestri left. Mark Silvestri?

Sorry, yeah. Alan Silvestri's a composer. Yes. He left because he said Rob Liefeld poached artists from Top Cow, including Mike Turner. Yeah. And the idea was you don't mess with each other's stuff. Yeah.

But they'd set up this law, which I didn't mention earlier, which I hinted at, that partners could be booted or voted out. They took a vote. Yep. Everybody had to agree that person had to be voted out obviously except for the person they cooled off for a month no even the person being booted out had to agree that they were being booted out then they waited a month yep like a cooling off period and then they did it again and if they voted again uh-huh they had to go

was it a secret in the in the month between i wonder no no well he rob life hell quit in the month so he was voted and then he quit and apparently they said in this that they voted anyway the lawyer was like don't vote you don't need to but i don't know what the result was but presumably they were gonna vote him out anyway yeah because he started his own he started a separate separate yes comic book company which was called no it was called like massive entertainment or something like that. Didn't have Liefeld in the name? No, I don't think it did. I'm going to bloody find it first, mate. Don't even worry about it.

Maximum Press. That sounds right. There we go. He created a separate company called Maximum Press and he started poaching other creators and he's like, come work for Maximum Press. It's better than Image. Image is garbage.

It probably was. No, it probably was uh no it probably wasn't actually also jim lee sold wild storm wild storm to dc yeah not that not yeah just for yeah which is which is nuts who then sort of folded it in but then didn't yeah they i look i couldn't name a single character from that universe. I respect that because I think Jim Lee, he's a guy who definitely wants to create more than he wants to run business. Totally, yeah.

And that was definitely his thing. Clearly he went, okay. I don't want to deal with this. Yeah, exactly. With all the other shit, yeah. So Wildstorm had a lot of characters that I really enjoyed. Wildstorm had Gen 13, characters that I really enjoyed Wildstorm had Gen 13 which was like teen superheroes, it had The Authority

it had Planetary Planetary's great, Stormwatch these ones those were all written those ones that I enjoyed, they were written by Warren Ellis cranky British writer Warren Ellis I'm familiar and they sold them back

and some of those were sort of integrated into the DC universe, but maybe not well. Most of them not. There is a great Midnighter run. You're a big fan of Midnighter. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's like super-powered Batman. But gay. But gay, exactly. So that one was pretty good. But a lot of them were kind of like they rebooted Stormwatch and it felt like kind of a like a poor carbon copy this was

during what was their last it was new 52 was yeah watch was under the books in that and was it yeah i don't know exactly there's 52 of them so did they ever get to 52 i think they did get to really oh yeah well if you say 52 you got to put stormwatch in don't you you have to yeah it's a lot yeah yeah so this is the stuff we got out of it in terms of outside of the comics industry uh there was a wildcats tv series an animated series don't remember that that was that was one of jim lee's yes it was a savage dragon animated series don't remember that we didn't get either of those here i don't think so i assume uh spawn got a movie sure did which they talk about and uh what's his name tom Tom McFarlane's like, look, it was good.

It was good, but it wasn't great. That's yeah. That's probably for the time. Yes. Look, once again, as a kid, I remember loving it. Yeah. But in retrospect, so bad.

Again, I've gone to rewatch it. Well, he's directing the new one. So great. Settle in. Maybe with age comes wisdom. But I'd forgotten this. There was a 1998 animated series, which was really good. And I remember what I saw of that as a kid.

I remember it being really good. I saw like four episodes of that at a comic book convention. Yeah. It was amazing. Yeah, it's good. It's way better than the... It's probably way better than the movie. There was also a Witchblade live action series in 2001.

I've seen that. I have not seen any of that. That was one of those shows that was on at like 3am on channel 9 yeah absolutely that was your that was your Birds of Prey Dark Angel era

yeah uh huh those kind of shows yeah so I don't know anything about that it was not I mean it was not a particularly faithful representation but that's also because

Witchblade was one of those characters where she activates her powers and all the clothes come off oh really yeah wow that's it's inconvenient it was yeah kind of inconvenient right just activating the Witchblade Witch Blade was one of those characters where she activates her powers and all the clothes come off. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow, that's inconvenient. Yeah, kind of inconvenient, right?

Activating the Witch Blade just tore all the clothes off every single time. That's like the Hulk. It's not like the Hulk. Yeah, I guess so, yeah. Right? They're in a bit of financial trouble because they're two main players with Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld not writing books for them. Those were the biggest sellers. Jim Valentino took over in general to kind of guide the direction of it.

And he made a lot of really good decisions, which means that it survived and what it is today. So they decided to move away from superhero stuff and do more creative focus. It's all creative focus, but just whatever. Just make something good. Yeah, for sure. That was the idea.

And this is where we got Brian Michael Bendis doing Powers. There was Invincible. That was one of them. That was an exception because then they leaned back into it a little bit. But also, what is good about Invincible, which is a series that's wrapped up quite recently, that went for years and years.

That's a superhero story that isn't it goes into some dark places but it is it's it doesn't set out to be grim and dark like it was the antithesis a kind of of of image when it started which is like this is cool and extreme and dark see if he got the big eye on him yeah right yeah it's his logo yeah it's a great comic it's great start to end so i'd highly recommend that yeah well robert kirkman who did that he also pitched the walking dead when he was like in his early 20s and apparently to get it past them when i remember hearing this what he did was they were like we don't want to do a we don't want to do a zombie book it's boring and he's like oh no there's actually it's actually a um it's an alien

invasion so i'm going to do hints towards it in the first issue. And then you're going to find out that it's aliens. Yeah, right. And he just lied. That wasn't true. Are there any hints to it? There's nothing like that. And they talked about that in the documentary, actually.

Yeah, right. But each book for that, they were saying, initially, like a comic sells a lot. Second one does about half. And then it kind of, you know, it levels out, it ends out somewhere. But this one, Walking Dead just kept building. So every issue would sell more than the previous issue.

It was huge. You're right. There was the first kind of hit outside of the original stuff. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and it's still going and it's still pretty good, yeah. And then you've got like Brian K. Vaughan, Mark Millar, a bunch of other people coming on doing, you know got your kick-ass saga and bloody wicked and divine sex criminals isn't that interesting that it started out as kind of the the not not even the most stereotypical superhero stuff but like the most stereotypical copies of superhero stuff a lot of

it was kind of just no good. There's no good. Exactly. Well, I think that was so smart to go this way because I think most of the stuff I read is image now. Yeah. If I want to read something interesting and different, I mean, there's obviously other companies or whatever, but this is where I look.

If there's a book with like a new book with an image logo on it, I normally check it out. Yeah. I don't always love it, but it's generally, I'd rather read that than being like oh they're doing superman again i'll usually wait till they finish that run and then go i heard that run of superman is good i'll read it you know so yeah but that's pretty much where we're at today i'd like to later go into like specifics of actual comic books and then like this is why sex criminals is great or whatever also there's stuff here that i haven't read like i've never read i'm gonna take that out of context like that's gonna go on a soundboard this is why i think sex oh now i've said it

have you read bitch planet yes i have that's good i'm behind on saga but i'm also yeah i'm wildly behind on that uh i haven't read paper girls which is apparently really good do you read age of bronze no i don't know there's an earlier one i don't know what that one isn't that one is either. So there's a bunch of stuff here that I want to go back on, but I could talk about Invincible, Walking Dead. We've done a lot. I think we've talked about Kick-Ass.

We've done a Mark Millar episode, but for ages. So I will definitely come back to this and be like, this is some good image stuff that we've read. What we could do is read, back in the day, the Savage dragon letters column was like 10 pages long every issue and eric larson the creator and he he wrote and drew that for like a decade yeah uh he had a really really long feud with peter david who was the the writer of the hulk right at the time because savage dragon is an enormous green man with a fin on his head.

And so Peter David was always like, this is just a rip off of the Hulk kind of thing. No, he's a dragon. Yeah. He's got a fin. No, he's an alien. He's an alien. He's an alien who lost his memory and he became a cop. And the dragon.

No, he's never been a dragon. He's just got a man with a fin on his head. Anyway, the point is that for like- What do they call him? For years they had this feud where Peter David would write him a long, angry screed and Eric Larson would publish it in his letters column and then debate all his points.

And for many months I would read it just for that. Really? Yeah, we should read some of those out. Great. That sounds really good. Anyway, I'd love to know what people think of Image Comics in general. In the 90s, now, whatever's favorite books. Image has also published tons of four-issue things

that have maybe just flown under the radar a little bit. Yeah, right. Yeah, totally. I'm looking at this list, though, and before, say, Walking Dead, there's a couple of exceptions. There's nothing worth reading. There really isn't. I mean, I'm sure there are exceptions to that, obviously.

Yeah, you know what? Anyone out there, if you have like a mid-period... I mean, you mentioned some as well, like the bloody, what's his name, Alan Moore. Yeah, right. If you have any mid-period image stuff that you would recommend, let us know because I'd be yeah excited to read read about that yeah all in all though i think this has been a really good move for the comics

industry yes in terms of you know getting more diverse stuff you know stuff that's not just superhero i mean i like superhero comics but this is the kind of stuff that i gravitate towards more now marvel and dc have have innovated at times but they're also like, they're very interested in maintaining the status quo. Totally, yeah. From time to time, a character will die or, you know, change. Tony Stark's a hologram man or whatever. Tony Stark's a hologram man or whatever. But it's very much like,

there's a lot of retreading old ground. And it's good to have, and even Dark Horse, you know. Yeah, absolutely. Out there just saying like. Vertigo Comics. Vertigo Comics, exactly, yeah. I think, thank you that's some good stuff there yeah and that's what i say good i'm glad they didn't all walk away um craig david incredible yep exactly yeah is that a good ending yeah yeah great yeah the walking david i should have said i could have said anything else then. I would have been better.

I could have said nothing. That would have been a better kind of end point. It's like, yeah, exactly. Sometimes podcasting is like jazz. It's the quips you don't make. Okay. Very good. Yeah.

You know what it's time for though? What's it time for? What are we reading? What are we going to read? Yeah. Okay. Oh, I've got to leave the pause in. I'm doing a thing.

Now that that theme song was edited in, what do you read or going to read? I have started watching The Alienist on Netflix. What's that one again? It's Daniel Brühl, Zemo. Zemo. Luke Evans, Dracula Untold. Oh my God, what a combo. And Dakota Fanning, you know, as being a little girl.

Charlotte Webb. Is it? Is she in that? Yep. Anyway, Daniel Bruhl is like a forensic psychologist in like Victorian era England. Oh. And he's bloody. Is it?

Or America. It's one of those. Wow. Well, everyone had British accents in the past. That's true. Everyone from the Egyptians all the way up. Yeah. Probably, what? those wow is it is it well everyone had british accents in the past everyone everyone's like from the egyptians all the way up yeah probably what 1850s you reckon yeah i reckon yeah mostly english accents mostly english accents and he's solving a brutal murder is it kind of sherlock

holmes-esque no so he's not like a genius no he's not a genius man with autism who goes into his life he's more a craftsman okay because he's in that era where people don't believe what he does has any value. People don't respect the craft. People don't respect the craft, and they should respect the craft. It's a great movie. It's kind of interesting. Yes. Neve Campbell.

It's not a good movie. Craig David soundtrack. Great. Is it? No, I don't know. We should check, though. I bet it's not. Why would it be?

So I've seen that I haven't seen it But I've seen it Popping up on my Netflix It's pretty good I Daniel Daniel Brühl's great

Yeah he's a great actor Well he Did he first show up I remember first seeing him in In Glorious Bastards Oh yeah that's true Yeah Yeah yeah

Are you looking up I'm looking up the soundtrack to The Craft. Yeah. Oh, Our Lady Peace. Letters to Cleo. Sponge. I don't know any of them. A cover of How Soon Is Now.

Matthew Sweet is on here. What did he do? He did a song, Girlfriend. Doesn't matter. I'm thinking of a lot of- Elastica? Oh, Space Hog. space hog wow now that's a 90s soundtrack what's space hog space hog did that space the lead singer space hog is married to live tyler uh they did that song in the meantime which you'd know if you heard it i like that song you know that song it's a good song probably. It's a good song from the 90s, yeah.

Yeah. Great. So worth checking out. Space Hog. The band Space Hog. Their album Resident Alien. 1994 probably. I don't know.

It's a very Image Comics appropriate. So Image Comics. I bet some Image Comics came with a CD. Or you could redeem it for a cd of like listen to this while you're while you're reading this issue of young blood absolutely yeah man i also recently uncovered a book it's called bonza yeah i have it it's it's like a history of australian comics from like 1900s oh yeah the mid 90s oh man is there good stuff in there no no i'm just kidding there is there's some good stuff in there i'll i No, I'm just kidding. There is. There's some good stuff in there. I'll let you know some highlights when I get through it.

Well, if we're talking Australian comics, Mason, this comic isn't Australian. There was a Terminator comic issue one called Sector War, and basically it's set at the same time as Terminator 1984, and a different Terminator goes after a different person, a rookie cop in the same era, like the other side of LA during the Sarah Connor situation. I really liked it.

I thought it was fun. Wait, so what is that? Why is that? I think she's a general or something. Okay, right. Maybe she'll turn out to be. So this is the Terminator by way of Terminator 3. In what sense?

In the way that Terminator 3, the Terminator was after all of John Connor's generals. Something like that, I assume, yeah. Catherine Brewster. Catherine Brewster. As an example yeah yeah uh so yeah it's i haven't read a terminator comic in i don't know since we did one yeah right and this is one since robocop versus the terminator kill human that's right which is the best comic ever best one which is the fan fiction it's where robocop inserts himself into termininator 2 fan fiction there's a video

on my channel about it you should watch it it's incredible if you've never read that that's like a pre Caravan of Garbage Caravan of Garbage is it really?

yeah it feels that way yeah I think either I got the idea what's it called? this one's Sector War yeah Sector War okay I enjoyed it

what is this Dark Horse? IDW who's publishing this? that's a good question I actually know doesn't matter yeah just look it up it's fine

it's on Comixology probably that's it do you have anything else that you wanted to read uh no i read my required i watched my required statham movie did that you did you have to watch anymore you do a good job yeah i watched some of the equalizer the denzel washington the equalizer what do you think denzel washington's very charming yeah it's a great okay movie yeah would you watch equalizer 2 no no would you watch Equalizer 2? No. No. Would you watch Threequalizer? Threequalizer? Which is definitely not happy. You better believe it.

Yeah. I don't know how this one went. Yeah. I think the second one's mostly the same. I'd probably watch it if it was... If it was literally in front of us. Yeah. Let's say the TV turned on spontaneously by itself.

Yeah. And there was a new Equalizer movie on it. Threequalizer. Threequalizer that it's come through time. Is he holding a hammer?'s holding he's holding three guns because in the printer because in the second the post of the second movie he's holding two guns oh that's a whole three guns yeah yeah rule of threes he has to be carrying three guns wedged in his butt cheeks no he's got like it's facing out just for safety yeah for sure yeah no he's got one in between his knees like a one-man band

would have like some symbols between his knees he's got one in between his knees, like a one man band would have like some symbols between his knees. He's got a third gun there. He's ready to threequelize. He's got a, he's got a, one knee's got a gun on it and one knee's got like a plastic hand. So he's going to need to do like a, he's going to need to do a little shuffle.

Okay. Yeah. I get you. Yeah. Wow. Very good. Would you watch that? Yeah.

I'd watch it right now. I'd stop this show and watch that. Yeah. Same. But we can't. Because what scenario, how is it appearing on the TV? Exactly. That's worth investigating.

Is it ghosts? It wouldn't be ghosts. Is it movie producers trying to get to us, trying to pay us off? Oh, I see. Yeah. Yes. Good. Then I highly recommend Threequalizer, Three Guns, this time.

Yep. Ready for that letters thing? We'll talk letters. Good stuff. Here we go. The classic one was Letters, oh letters We love you

Some letters They're only a take away I know they're here right now. We're going to do letters. We love the letters segment because it's where people send us letters or tweets or emails realistically. We don't have a PO box yet.

We probably won't. Won't we? Well, I don't know. Don't you want weird candy from around the world? No, I just eat it. Most podcasts I listen to that have a PO box, it's almost exclusively for people to send them weird candy from around the world.

Yeah, you're probably right. Do you want one? Yes. Send a stuff box. But then, I don't know, I feel like you open yourself up to, you know, I feel bad being like, send us things. Just send us things that, you know. Yeah, and somebody will send us a hand grenade.

Someone will definitely send us a hand grenade. They'll be like, hey, guys, I found this in my garden. I mean, fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. You like movies with hand grenades in them. Here's an actual hand grenade. Oh, they've misinterpreted what we liked about movies. That's true, enough. Yeah. Yeah. You like movies with hand grenades in them. Here's an actual hand grenade.

Oh, they've misinterpreted what we liked about movies. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to reach the show, hashtag Weekly Planet Pod on Twitter, and we'll go through and have a look. Also, Mason's checking out the old Gmail. And this is a quick one just from the Canadian-

Weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com. This is from the Canadian Galahad. Okay. How about also doing a Vertigo Comics episode? Great. I'd love to. Probably will. Yeah.

Definitely. That one is less I don't think there's as interesting a backstory maybe there is though there's interesting titles there I don't know the backstory to be fair I feel like Vertigo has

I think at some point during the image explosion I think they did try to tie the character. They tied all the individual studios together. There were some crossover storylines and stuff like that. Yeah, right. I think Vertigo, pretty rare crossover-wise.

Yeah. I think most of that stuff was set in its own universe. Founded in 1993, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's older than I thought it was. Yeah, absolutely. I've got a tweet here, though, carrie's lunn hey guys my question is do you have a movie or series of movies you watch every year mine is the born trilogy well

there's five of those movies so you should watch them all uh when i watched it is that a pentology i guess it is not uh when i first watched it uh i i aspired to be a stunt driver There's some great stunt driving in that first one Down that bloody Is it I mean it is good But it's also funny Because it's in terrible cars Yes

That's what I like about it though That's That's where I'm at I don't I don't know if there's a thing I watch every Is there a thing that you watch every year? I'm sure there'd be movies that I watch But there's nothing

Because I know plenty of people who will They're like Okay every year we watch, but there's nothing, because I know plenty of people who will, they're like, okay, every year we watch Die Hard at Christmas. Yes, yes. And I'm sure there's stuff that I do rewatch, but it's never a case of like, I'm going to set today's the day. Yeah, right.

I'm going to do my rewatch. Yeah, yeah. Because I'd inevitably forget and get mad at myself. You'd get mad at yourself. Yeah, absolutely. I watch, I don't know, speaking of rewatches, I'm going to watch Predator 1 and 2

for next week's episode, where we're going to to watch Predator 1 and 2 For next week's episode Where we're going to do A Predator 1 and 2 episode Yeah okay Can we do Predators as well? Can we do 3? Yeah I think we can do 3 Ah man

I got a lot to say about Predators I think Or maybe I don't Yeah that's it We can do it Did you know there's a sequel comic to Predators? The Sorry

The movie Yes Are you fucking serious? Yeah it's real Is it good? It doesn't look good. I'm going to read that. I've seen the art.

I want to know what happened at the end. Yeah, right. Well, there's a sequel. The art does not look good and the story does not look good. Great. I'm still going to read it. Let me know what it's like. So, yeah, if people want to watch the Predator trilogy by next week, give it a bloody go,

mate. What do you got, Mason? You got another letter? Let's see. This is from Jesse. He enjoys lots of... Maybe it's a lady. I enjoy lots of different aspects of being a geek or a nerd

or whatever you want to call it. There are a few areas of interest that I enjoy where other more conventional nerds look at me strange for the level of nerdyness that I show. For example, I love board games. I have well over 100 board games. Love board games. Loves painting miniatures. Yeah, I like those.. I have well over 100 board games. Loves painting miniatures.

Yeah, I like those. When I share this with others... I don't have the steady hands for it. It's incredible, right? Yeah. I get the judgmental look or statement that I've taken it too far or I'm odd. What nerdy or geeky hobbies or interests do you have that other nerds think is too far or odd? First of all, fuck all those people who say that.

Do whatever you want. That's what I think as well. If you like it. Yeah. I know people who have football gu Do whatever you want. That's what I think as well. If you like it. Yeah. I know people who have like football Guernseys on the wall of players they've never met. You know what I mean? And they've never played football. Michael Jordan.

Famous football player, Michael Jordan. It was really good. I remember. It was good. I remember when he walked away from football and played baseball. Do you remember? Craig David style. Yeah, I remember.

Yeah. Yeah. So I say, walk away from those people yeah craig david uh do you have one james i don't know if i do do you have one but i i'm way into clothing for some reason yeah you are that's true like i know more about fabric than i know about star wars probably and i don't know why yeah what you know? You know more about what? Fabric. Oh, I see what you're doing. I see what you're doing. Yeah, okay.

And it's, because it's also one of those hobbies that seems vain, I think. It's kind of like... Is it though? Well, for me, it's not because I'm not like,

I want to be the best dressed guy. Well, that's the thing. You're not showing off. You don't turn up every week and like, look at this new suit that I'm wearing. Yeah, exactly.

It's more a case of like, oh, that's a nice fabric. They've put a they've they've manufactured a nice pattern there i should and you won't settle for less no i'll often settle sometimes you'll say but you've always dressed well like since i've known you right yeah yeah you're always kind of you know yeah but that's because i think in high school one time um you kissed a girl. Exactly. That's awesome. And she was like, ooh, fabric. No, but somebody was like, you know, this guy, they were mentioning somebody who dressed well and they're like,

but not like you, you don't care that you dress like that. And I'm like, what? And it never occurred to me. And I'm like, what's the difference between that person and me? Yeah, right. I started looking into it. And then I'm'm like this is kind of interesting what was the difference do you remember the specifics of it what were you wearing were you wearing a barrel i did wear a lot of tracksuit pants i'm pretty sure everybody did it was the 90s exactly anyway but that so that's

something that i like i'm i'm interested in like fabric production yeah right yeah stuff like that which is i don't know if that is geeky, but it's kind of. No, it's a very, I think anything can be geeky. Yeah. But again, it's not like I'm going to be the best dressed guy here. It's more like, ooh, it's a nice fabric. I'm the best dressed guy here. Yeah, I should wear that.

I should buy and wear that for some reason. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's absolutely fine. I think for me, it's all my friends friends there are exceptions like you and probably another one i'm i'm easily the most nerdy out of all of my friends yeah right by a long way and it and i don't think anything i do is particularly unusual for someone who likes this stuff yeah right but i may as well be a fucking alien compared to like what a lot of my friends are like. Because a lot of them are finance and football and a lot of Michael Jordan talk and whatever.

And I like some of that stuff. Like, oh, I like the football. I watch a good game. But I don't really give a shit. And it's interesting because now mainstream, like now nerd culture is pop culture to a certain degree so everybody's watching the marvel movies and everybody yes you know in in watching the the comic book tv shows and stuff like that so it's just sometimes you'll have i'll have a conversation where i'm like i want this person can lead the conversation because i want to see how deep their knowledge goes before i

really leap in with before you show them how much you know, how good you are. That's right. How good I am at knowing, at rote learning facts about superheroes. You know what I mean? But it's kind of like, you don't want to go. Yeah. It can, it can be a bit much. I think that's with anything though. Cause if I talk to someone and then they're like, this is, this is the history of heavyweight

boxing. I'm like, why would you think that anyone gives a shit about this for four hours? You know, why would you put that on somebody? You're a good storyteller. Absolutely. I'll, you know,

I'll listen to anybody if they're interested. Yeah. I think that testing the waters is interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Or sometimes like, it might be a case of like, just pretend to be a layman and then maybe have a couple of fun facts.

Yeah. Like, you know, they used to sell four million sell 8 million copies of that. X-Men once sold 8 million copies or whatever. That's a fun fact. You're going to get punched in the face with a fact like that, Mason. That's right.

You're going to get a big old wedgie. Yeah, yeah. That's why you need that gun in your butt. Ready to go. Ready to go. So when I'm running away. That's the equalizer for gun in the butt. Gun in the butt.

Yeah. Yeah, I think i'd like to what i really want to do i'd love to set up a proper room like a man cave if you will mason because this isn't really one as we both agree no it is though yeah look at this this is my desk is when when people come over and clint needs to clear table, she just dumps it in here on my desk. She's like, this stack of paperwork can just sit on James' desk. But I want to just buy all the comics that I like in hardcover or paperback or whatever and just fill a wall.

Just the stuff I want. I don't want to complete anything. I just want the stuff that I really like. And is it stuff that you wanted as a kid? No, I want the stuff that i really like and is it is it stuff that you wanted as a kid no i want good stuff i don't want stuff that i used to like and it's probably bad i want just anything good i feel kind of similar but again as this uh this my trend recently of uncovering all this old stuff at my parents house i recently uncovered my old ninja turtles graphic novels oh yeah the the old Mirage comics.

They're great, yeah. They got, because they were originally black and white, but in like 1990 or something, like they got coloured and collected into like graphic novels. Yeah, right. I had the first, I uncovered the first four and I'm like, oh, this is some good stuff. Absolutely.

It's back when they were brutal. Yeah, yeah, that was great. I hope they do that with the new ones, like they take it in that direction. Yeah, same. Yeah, but who knows? Who knows anything? Who knows anything, right?

This is from Nicholas on Twitter. Recently re-watched Mystery Men from 99. It's a superb satire slash comedic take on the superhero genre with an all-star cast including Ben Stiller, Jeffrey Rush, Hank Azaria, Greg Kinnear and William H. Macy. Have you seen the film and what are your thoughts? Hashtag Weekly Planet Pod. I remember the Smash Mouth soundtrack. You do, yeah.

Because that song All Star, their most famous song, that was in, that is probably best known from Shrek. But before that, the actual music video is Mystery Man. It's got Ben Stiller and all those characters in it. I remember enjoying it. I like it. I haven't seen it in a while. I remember liking it. Yeah, right. We've talked about this before, but I'd like, or maybe we've characters in it. I remember enjoying it. I like it. I haven't seen it in a while. I remember liking it.

Yeah, right. We've talked about this before, but maybe we've even done it. We have an episode on this, but superhero movies that aren't based off... Yes. This isn't based off anything, is it? No, it is.

It is too. It's based on Flaming Carrot, but not all the characters are in it. So it's based on... There was an indie comic many years ago called Flaming Carrot Comics. Flaming Carr carrot basically being like a guy in chinos and a button-down shirt and he's got a mask that's a flaming carrot he's got a gun and and he has a he has some issues where he reminisces about the mystery man superhero team the mystery man and some of those characters are in the movie

and some of them are okay and then some were created for the movie and some of them aren't. Oh, okay. And then some were created for the movie. Yeah, yeah. And they don't really have... They're more background in the comic book, but in the movie they get, you know, backstories and hopes and dreams and fears and what have you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like in the movie, I think William H. Macy is the shoveler. Yes.

And his wife doesn't approve of his lifestyle and stuff like that. And that's all new for the movie. Right, yeah, yeah. I remember it being good. I remember liking it, yeah. It was well ahead of its time. For sure. Yeah.

And Greg Kinnear's character is covered in like sponsorships. Yeah, he's like a NASCAR driver. He's the main, the world's biggest superhero. So he's also the most sponsored superhero. That was kind of fun. Yeah, I agree. Is it a good movie though? I can't remember.

We'll take your word for it. I bet it is. Yeah, yeah. Good Smash Mouth song, if you recall mason that song all-star one of their best yeah great chin beard yeah all right i think that's the show we did it if you've got things to say mason about the show you can if you have a favorite smash mouth song or a favorite craig david song walking on the sun walking away, all right. Those guys should have teamed up. Maybe they did. I bet they didn't.

I also bet they didn't. There's no way they would have teamed up. Not with those beards. No. It couldn't be in the same room. There's only one, only one line beard is allowed in a room at the one time. That's the alpha, you know?

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Greg Kinnear would look incredibly in 4K. Are you kidding me? Yeah. He was in the the American version of Rake was he yeah

as Rake yeah he was Rake that's good stuff it was Jeffrey Rake did that get a series or was it just a pilot no I think they only did or maybe one series

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three predator no not the first three Predator, no, not the first three, just those three Predator movies we mentioned, we'll talk about them next week. If you have thoughts about Predator 2, because that is old. That's the one I need to re-watch. Same, exactly.

I mean, I'll re-watch them all, but that one I really need to watch closely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There you bloody go. And that's the end of the episode. That certainly is. Grab that gem, everybody. We will talk to you next week.

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