The Weekly Planet - 27 The (Terrible) History of Captain America In Film

Episode Date: March 31, 2014

This week, we go on a horrific journey through the history of Captain America on film in addition to discussing Indiana Jones being rebooted, Prometheus 2 and the odd look of the new Ninja Turtles. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet, official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com. My name is James, junior editor at that site, also known as Mr. Sunday. With me as always is my co-host, Nick, looking pretty grim, Mason.

Oh, I'm feeling rough, mate. I'm feeling real rough, I tell you what. This is not going to be a good one. What's the... Or the best one. Maybe it'll be the best episode. It could be, yeah. You brought your A-game, right? I brought this Gatorade, is what I brought, and some painkillers, is what I chiefly brought. Normally it's me who turns up grim.

I'm feeling pretty good about myself at the moment. I see that. You're feeling smug, certainly. Well, the comedy festival's on, and I've been out late. I heard a rumour in the rumour mill that you met one of our listeners in real life, in real person. I met a friend of the show, Dan Hasen, who came to our late night board game slumber party, and was a super nice guy.

Nice. Good to hear. Did he ask about me? No, he didn't mention you at all. What? Yeah, I know. I'm the host. Co-host.

Of what? This podcast. What? I just saw the microphone. Is that what we've been doing? So, yeah, that's pretty cool, eh? First listener that, well, you met. I didn't meet him.

I didn't meet him. But, yeah, that's really awesome. It was really fun, yeah. Our you met. I didn't meet him. I didn't meet him. But yeah, that's really awesome. It was really fun, yeah. Our middling success is starting to pay off, Mason. Boy, is it. Interactions. Yes. Verbal exchanges.

Dialogue. Did you high five? No, we didn't. Oh, well. If you're listening, just find me in the street and high five me. It'll be fine. Done and done. Pretty great.

All right, Mason. Should we get straight into the news? I'd love to get into the news. Because we've got a big week for Captain American stuff. Uh-huh. And we'll get to that. Great. But as always, news is important also.

Fantastic. Current events. What I'm going to do is while you speak, I'm going to just close my eyes and contemplate my own mortality. And then you can, uh, yeah, and then just snap when you finish talking. Gotcha. I'll respond. Gotcha.

Good, good, good. Uh-huh. Uh, okay. Now, you must have seen the TMNT trailer. I did see talking. Gotcha. I'll respond. Gotcha. Good, good, good. Okay, now, you must have seen the TMNT trailer. I did see it, yes. Now, there's a lot of people hating on this trailer, Mason. I mean, no, that's not fair to say. A lot of people are like, it's mixed to mixed positive, I would say,

if that makes sense. Okay, yeah. So, yeah. One of the big points of contention is Michelangelo, in particular, has a weird baby shrek head uh-huh sure you know he takes his mask off and whatever and he's got that kind of weird weird face there's a few mock-ups of that where they put the shrek ears on him and he looks he does look a lot like shrek do you think maybe they bought the the 3d model

dreamworks you never know like through some sort of shady back channel like it's like people met in an alley yeah and just sort of traded a briefcase with a usb stick in it wouldn't surprise me wholly weird am i right that's yeah yeah you're telling me it's also the other big point of contention is that um they've got lips like human lips uh-huh sure i didn't even notice that till someone pointed out but when i looked at it is it is kind of weird, yeah. I mean, the whole thing's weird. I guess the whole thing is weird, but there's really, in the real world, there's very little precedent for transforming a turtle into a humanoid creature. Like, there's almost none of that in nature.

So who's to say what they would look like? Yeah, yeah. It's fine. Just get used to it. Fair point. Yeah, that's a fair point. Well, the other point of contention, and I'm inclined to agree with this, Mason, and I never disagree with anything. You know, I like to just agree.

I'm an agreeable guy. You're a yes man. I'm a yes man. Nobody's offside in my book, Mason. Correct. Yeah. Well, Paulius Saltuk... Paulius Salt...

Paulius Salt-Ocus. Some guy who is involved somehow with the production of the film. No, no. He's the guy I've seen him out in before I'm pretty sure I got his name right the first time and I botched it this time

great either way but he's like his issue with it and I'm inclined to agree was they're enormous like the turtles aren't supposed to be

that big are they or they are ah because they tower over April O'Neil and they're built but aren't they supposed to be like

stealthy ninja guys yeah they've changed they've changed form a lot. They were quite... They were kind of frog-like. Yeah. In the very first appearances, like the Eastman and Laird, the old Garage comics, they were quite froggy. Yeah. No, no, no, I like this.

They're turtles. They should be kind of tank-like. Sure, fair point. Yeah, yeah. That actually makes sense. How about the bit where he hits the hammer? Yeah. He hits the hammer with his shell and it just smashes it.

How good was that? See, I didn't love it. I thought the CGI on the hammer was a bit kind of like... A little cheap? Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know. I just feel like... And because of stuff like that...

They probably bought the CGI from Transformers. Like they had a hammer character and they're like, no, who cares? We don't need it. Smash it. But I feel like that whole scene where they're sliding down the hill, that's clearly all CGI. Right.

And it just took me right out of that minute and a half trailer, you know? I'm okay with all of it, strangely. Okay. Because, you know, it's the origins of the Ninja Turtles and a lot of the stuff they've been through, you know? Yeah. Some of the stuff. Yeah.

They've been through. Sure. It's a rollercoaster of emotions. It's a rollercoaster of emotions, but also it's been up and down and all over the place. There's the Mirage Comics origin. There's the cartoon origin. Twice. There's several different cartoons.

Yeah. And there's the movie origin. And the CGI. Switch it around a bit. Yeah, sure. It's not that precious. No, fair point. It started as like a Daredevil parody with Turtles.

Yeah. Don't take it too seriously. It's fine. Do whatever you want with it. Well, look, I think Ninja Turtles was the first thing, probably second thing, first being Voltron, that I was really, really into when I was a kid. And even though there are all these changes,

yeah, I'm with you. I'm not really that fussed. Yeah. Like, if this movie completely tanks, I don't care. Yeah. When I was... You know what? Ninja Turtles was probably one of the things that I was most into when I was a kid.

It was Transformers and then Ninja Turtles. And I remember there was an Archie Comics adaptation of the cartoon. This is another weird Archie comic crossover. No, but it was like... I'd seen the Mirage comics and I'd never really read it, but then the Archie comics version came out, which was an adaptation of the cartoon. Oh, okay.

And it was kind of more kid-friendly. And I was like, oh, this is great, whatever. And the cartoon hadn't come out. Yeah. And I went to Kmart and there were like Ninja Turtle figures for like four bucks or whatever. And I was like to my mum and my dad and my grandparents, I'm like, can you get me some of them Ninja Turtles?

And they're like, no, they're so ugly. Why would you want those Ninja Turtles? And I'm like, you give me some of them ninja turtles pick me and they're like no they're so ugly why would you want those ninja turtles i'm like this is like i was little i was like five or whatever like this is the next big thing this is it we called it we're gonna get this and then like two days later the ninja turtles cartoon came out and they skyrocketed in price you couldn't get a ninja turtle figure to save yourself exactly remember there was like a good that's my personal event yeah my family who raised me but i remember i've been five i would have been like 10 i don't know yeah yeah i it was maybe a year that i could not get a ninja turtle figure yeah i mean fucking boohoo first world problem you know what i mean they were like gold though but i remember like there were like rumors like oh kmart's got some so that everybody would rush

down to kmart to see if they were there and then you get there and it's just like... It was like Mondo Gecko. Yeah, and a splinter, you know what I mean? But yeah, the other thing that people take issue with, though... Is it... It's the violence. Is it Megan Fox? Yeah, no, I think people have kind of calmed down on that.

Because people hated Megan Fox for a while. I'm okay with Megan Fox. Well, there's no problem with Megan Fox Yeah Everybody's like I hate What a bitch Yeah what a bitch

What a slut And I'm like is she Like she's been married to one guy For like ten years What are you even talking about It's just she's pretty But in that kind of like Vampy kind of way

Yeah yeah People don't trust that Yeah I think that's probably it Yeah well have you seen In Mrs. 40 She's really good in that as well Yeah

She's quite funny So yeah I don't understand the hate for it but and she's not the worst actress in the world is she i mean she's not she's no meryl streep yeah absolutely she's not even a glenn close she's not even close to it going close but yeah in the trailer it's mentioned that shredder and april's father are somehow linked. They were building to create something. And it's assumed that either they're talking about the Foot Clan, who are a paramilitary group or something, or the Ninja Turtles, so that April's father had a hand in this. That's fine.

Yeah. You're okay with it? That's fine. What about this? Yes. Do you think a regular human 45-year-old male white guy... Yeah, William Fickner. Fickner.

Don't you think he'd get absolutely crushed by four giant turtles yeah totally just beat him savagely to death what do you reckon there's probably

sweet shredder armour I'm sure there is you can see it in the trailer well you know what it might be as well he might be an U-tron you know the U-tron and maybe he

because people are saying because he's not the Japanese shredder that's another big point which I can understand I guess it's a weird origin swap but maybe he's taken on this Shredder. That's another big point of contention. Which I can understand, I guess. It's a weird origin swap. But maybe he's taken on this different human body.

A neutron. It's no all-white Akira, certainly. But there's issues. Yeah. Absolutely. It's no Noah. Yeah. Which is doing really well, apparently.

Huh. Yeah. That's a very... Like, people complained about that. And I'm like, what are you even talking about? And then I saw the poster. Yeah. I'm like, that is a very whitewashed Bible story.

Well, apparently it's... No, not one Middle Eastern guy. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. You know what? There probably is. There are probably bad guys. So, yeah. So, all in all, let's just say that it's fine, I guess. Yeah. I think it's going to be good. Yeah,. Yeah. I think it's going to be good.

Yeah, but I don't think it's going to be that good, considering that the director doesn't have a great track record. What was the other thing that he did? Darkness Falls, Battle L.A. Oh, yeah, that's dull. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So, yeah.

Yeah, but... No, you're right. I'm looking forward to it still. Yeah, me too. It's 90 minutes out of your life that's right plus trailers plus 20 bucks

for popcorn I don't get popcorn I do not a fan I embrace the movie going experience now because I see so few films at the cinema

yeah that have got a big popcorn I have trouble makes it very tense as you know because I always need to pee

I know exactly yeah that's why I don't if there's a movie that I'm really into I won't drink for like two hours before. Good idea. Which is not healthy.

Uh-huh, sure. But I do it. You just line your mouth with salt. So you don't... It doesn't even make sense. Frank Darabont Mason. Uh-huh, yeah. Are you familiar with him?

The Walking Dead guy. Yeah, Walking Dead guy. The Assorted Stephen King Project. Yeah. Yeah, we did... The Mist. Did he do The Mist? guy. The assorted Stephen King project. Yeah. The Mist. Did he do The Mist? He did The Mist, yeah. Can we talk about The Mist for a minute?

Sure. I love The Mist. Do you? You know I do. We saw it together. Yeah, the nonsensical... Well, it's not the... Yeah, it's great because it's nonsensical.

That is a dark move for a Hollywood film. Yeah. That ending. Spoiler alert for those who haven't seen it. They go through this whole movie. They survive in a supermarket being attacked by creatures from another dimension. And then, what's his name, the actor? Thomas Jane.

Thomas Jane. The Punisher's Thomas Jane. Yeah. These horrific creatures that are ripping people apart. And then at the end, it's him and the pretty middle-aged lady love interest. Yeah. Like their child. Her child.

Yeah. And they're trying to escape this mist that's covered the whole town and maybe the whole world, we don't know, and they're driving, and the car runs out of fuel, and they're sort of stuck at the side of the road, and they hear noises from behind them, like these horrible monsters or whatever that they, you know, unimaginable horrors, and Thomas Jane has a gun with two bullets? Three. There's four people in the car, there's an old person in there as well. Yeah. I don't remember that. 100%. unimaginable horrors and Thomas Jane has a gun with two bullets three

there's four people in the car there's an old person in there is there? I don't remember that 100% okay then cool anyway so he's got

he's one bullet shy of a full house as we say and then it cuts to the outside of the car you hear a series of gunshots and then it cuts back

and it's just Tom Jane by himself, surrounded by corpses, going, blah, blah, what have I done? And then he gets out of the car, and the noises keep getting louder. He gets out of the car to face his certain fate. And then it turns out to be the army who've rolled in, like the cavalry has arrived. As the mist rolls away. Like it just ends. Because I think the mist, they were following the mist rolls away like it just just ends because I think the

mist they were they were following the mist as they were driving they were driving with the mist right yeah so ah it's crazy

dark didn't expect it no loved it anyway Frank Darabont's up to something which he clearly cannot top

because he shot that kid that time that's true yeah yeah well they're saying that um Latina Review have said Frank Darabont they've broken a lot of stuff in the past.

People crap on them, but they probably get more right than they do wrong with their rumours. But then he's pitched an idea for a new Indiana Jones movie. But Frank Darabont himself had come out and said it's completely untrue. Okay. That being said, Latina Review, they got the Khan thing right. You know, when they're like, Khan's the villain of Star Trek Into Darkness. And J.J. Abrams was like, you're a liar. Oh, yep Trek Into Darkness and J.J. Abrams was like you're a liar turns out that

J.J. Abrams was yet again the liar wow what a shock so yeah so I mean what do you think

of that maybe a Frank Darabont possibly not I'm okay with that yeah sure so the only Indiana Jones

Rimmer Mason okay you're in luck I love it okay they're talking about recasting Indiana Jones recasting it rebooting it. They're talking about recasting Indiana Jones.

Recasting it and rebooting it. They're constantly talking about that, though, aren't they? We're constantly talking about it in our real lives. They say that, this same source saying that Bradley Cooper is being courted for the role. Oh, I did hear about that. Yes, okay. Don't you reckon he'd be a good choice? Yeah, okay.

He's charming. Absolutely. He looks good in a suit. He does. Like, first couple of scenes of Hangover Star yeah absolutely

little vest he's got sweet hair yeah sweet hair yeah nice I think I didn't even consider him for the role I think he'd be

really really great and I think it's got to the point where let's face it Harrison Ford is great as he is and whatever maybe it's time

to recast and I know it's an iconic role and whatever but I'd be happy for them to put somebody else in the role especially considering now you have to set them in like whatever, whatever. Maybe it's time to recast. And I know it's an iconic role and whatever, but I'd be happy for them to put somebody else in the role. Especially considering now you have to set them in like the 50s or the 60s or whatever. And it's not the same pre-war Nazi Germany

or whatever he gets up to. Indiana Jones is infinitely better than kind of weird 50s paranoia Russian alien, whatever that was. You know what I mean? Why can't we sit more In the 40s? That's what I'm saying

So if you've got Someone like Bradley Cooper You can do that Yeah yeah A young'un Yeah So I'm all for it Because there's a lot of

Gaps in that There's a lot of gaps There's a lot of Non-canonical tie-in novels Yeah That feature a lot of Adventures he was in In between all the other ones

A lot of video games Yeah There was one on the PS2 Called Something in the Emperor's Tomb or something. Yep, I remember that one. I played the shit out of it. How'd that go? Really good. One button controlled his left fist, one button controlled his right fist.

That was the best combat in a game before Babanakum Origins or Babanakum whatever. So yeah. Huh. Great game. Don't go back. It's not that good. So it was one button for left fist, one button for right fist. Yeah.

And you could pick up a shovel. And then like, did you have an additional whip peripheral? Yep. For a whip for whipping? Yep. You plugged in the whip. Yep. And then you whipped it around your lounge room.

Whipping stuff. You fight a giant crocodile. Ooh. There's a weird supernatural bit at the end. The voice guy was dead on. You can pick up a table leg. Your hat comes off and then you can pick up your hat what if you leave your hat yeah it appears back on your head okay that's weird

that'd be funny if you lose your hat the first five minutes then your hat looks for the rest of the game and then you get you get to the end and it's like sorry the last crusade never happened because you left your hat and that was kind of essential. So, yeah. Oh, man. Okay. Well, look, Mason. Anyway, heaps of time for more Indiana Jones. Absolutely, yeah.

Look, why not squeeze out one more Harrison Ford one if you've got the right script or whatever and if he wakes up, then get him out there. How about like a Depression era Indiana Jones one? He's just whipping carny folk. He's just whipping bankers. then get him out there. How about like a depression era? Indiana Jones one. He's just whipping carny folk. He's just whipping bankers.

You know? He's teaching all sorts of lessons. He's whipping gold bullion out of people out of fat cats' hands. You know? I would love that. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, look forward to that Mason in whatever year that is.

Yeah. If it ever happens. Prometheus sequel talk oh sure okay are you a fan of the original prometheus movie no but i'm sort of a fan of most of the stuff people the cast has been in yeah me too it's a weird combination i just did a video on it i mentioned the video because i kind of i say that i flat out hate it and i don't flat out hate it but there's so many weird missteps in that movie. Visually, it's amazing.

The cast is amazing. The performances are amazing. The atmosphere is amazing. The thing where the spaceship flips over, amazing. Yeah, exactly. And they don't run sideways. Yes, that is amazing. That's an amazing choice that you make at that point in time.

But everything else, like the plots and the twists and the use of the aliens in it, there's a really good autopsy, not autopsy, the scene where she gets the thing pulled out of her, that's genuinely horrific. Yeah. But most of the other stuff is just a nonsensical crap fest. Yes, it is.

And I am baffled that that got as far as it did without somebody saying, hang on a minute, this is mostly nonsense. Especially considering the aliens left messages for people to come and visit this place only for them to get there and then decide to kill everybody at the last minute. Like, what is that? And I know there's probably a compendium or whatever

that explains it. Sure, absolutely. And whatever, but I don't want to do that. Explain it to me in your movie. Yeah, that's why I hate Donnie Darko. We've had this conversation. Yes. I don't want to go to your website. Especially back when Donnie Darko came out and websites were awful. Do you remember your first interaction with the

internet? If it wasn't porno then I don't know what the deal was. I remember mine. I can tell you if you want. I think I was at primary school and some guys come in to show off the internet. And they were like, you love movies, right, kids? And we're like, I guess so. I mean, we kind of hate everything at this age, but sure. We're surly. And they're like, do you want to see the website for the Independence Day movie starring the all-fresh Prince of Bel-Air and whatever?

And everyone's like, you're kidding, right? He's like, you can get photos of behind the scenes and whatever. And everyone's like freaking out because they're like, this is going to be amazing so they load this web page and it just jams immediately right it loads like a quarter of a picture of a ship and then yeah and then they're like it's not working i'm like this is the worst invention that anybody has ever made yeah get the fuck out of here uh-huh i mean come on they should have they should have waited till the internet was really really good they should have waited until the internet was really, really good. Yeah.

They should have waited until 2011 and then released the internet. That's right, yeah. That's what I think. Uh-huh. So that was my first internet experience.

Sounds really good. Boy, what a memory. Where are we going with this? Prometheus 2. Oh, yeah. Has been announced. Ripley Scott is back. Ridley Scott.

Now, that's a perfectly acceptable mistake to make in the Aliens franchise. Fair point. Ridley Scott is back ridley scott now that's it that's a perfectly acceptable mistake to make in the aliens franchise fair point yeah uh really scott is back as director he's a he's a good director i think with if that script had been tight that would have been a much better movie obviously because he knows how to direct he is a good director yep but yeah the lindelof david damon lindelof who wrote the first, who was responsible for Lost and what that became. I'm familiar with the idea of it. Plus Star Trek Into Darkness and a bunch of other stuff.

Yeah, a hilarious romp. People hate that guy, Mason. Yeah, I know. I'm leaning towards that as well. Oh, good. Because they always get him in to do stuff, and whenever he's named associate, I'm like, oh, this is going to be one of those things where it doesn't pay off.

He's saying he's the new Shyamalan. No. Okay. You know what? The thing about that guy is, because he's great new Shyamalan No You know what The thing about that guy is Because he's great at setting things up or whatever But he cannot tie anything together to save himself Yeah yeah yeah

I don't understand why he keeps getting hired Considering Because of the stuff he makes is successful Maybe that's what it is Considering that He's just I don't know what he's doing I don't know what his thought process is

here's an idea what they could do they bring in Lindelof to kick it off and then ooh that rhymes that did

and then they get the Breaking Bad writers in to finish it yeah absolutely that would be a team up because and I don't want to spoil if you haven't seen Breaking Bad

yeah without spoiling it in the first episode of the final season of Breaking Bad the writers introduced an element, an object without giving anything away and apparently they just threw that in there and they're like, okay, by the final

couple of episodes, we need to have put that into the plot and so they just worked their way towards it and it's like it was meant to be there from the beginning so you team those two up golden golden or just get the breaking bad writers just get the breaking bad writers because they did set it up very well also so yeah let's let's kick out linda loff you're out of hollywood mate that's it yeah michael green is out michael no sorry linda loff he's out he's not back in good michael green is in writer michael green do you want to

hear what he's responsible for? Yes. Green Lantern. Ugh. Smallville. Oh, that's another of those Mark Webb situations. Well, he's got green in the name, so he's probably seen a lantern. He's walked through Chinatown at least once. He wrote certain episodes of Smallville.

Okay. And Heroes. Ugh. I know what you're thinking. Heroes Season 1, right? Yep. He wrote Heroes Season 2. There you go.

Okay. So this isn't going to be a Prometheus prequel. No, this is going to be a follow-up. Because, you know, spoiler alert if you haven't seen Prometheus, at the end, Michael Fassbender's head and Naomi Rapuse fly off to find... To find Adventures Unknown. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Apparently the next movie will also have multiple

Davids in it the Michael oh yeah who was an amazing character but you know what the thing about that character it was a weird combination where they never really

explained his his motivations or whether he was a good guy or a bad guy right because you know in every Aliens film when they've put an android in it

yep it is very clear that oh this is a shit one. Okay, this is a good one. Do you know what I mean? But that one's kind of like... They have those t-shirts that say, this is a shit one. Yeah.

So, yeah, they didn't really... And I found his character fascinating because you see him at the start when he's on the ship by himself, just kind of wandering around. And he's modeling himself off... Who's the guy who starred in Lawrence of Arabia? Sook. Might have been Peter O'Toole or Lawrence Olivia. I can't remember. And he's modeled his hair and his accent off that.

And I just find that element of... See, there's little things like that that are fascinating. Yep. But it just... Fast-bender-nating. Yes. And Fast-bender's the best. Yeah.

So, yeah, I do want to see a follow-up, even though this franchise... As I said in my video, Prometheus managed to derail an already derailed franchise. It really did, yeah. Which is amazing. I'm also kind of, now that I know it's a prequel, I kind of want to see Guy Pearce in more, more old person makeup. Like, just layer more of it on him.

Because clearly the idea was, we were going to have a prequel, and then he was going to take the makeup off and look young. Yeah. Isn't that the idea? I think so. But why not just get an old guy? Oh, yeah. Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford.

Because I think the reason they picked him was because there was a viral video set years in the past where they used actual Guy Pearce without makeup. Oh, I see. But you could have just used a younger actor and then have an older actor. And you can get a 60-year-old guy, and it's easy to make a 60-year-old guy look 90 than it is to make a 40-year-old guy look 90. Correct, yes. You know, it comes off as that weird...

What was that movie where Leonardo DiCaprio looked really old? He was the president. President Leonardo DiCaprio. That's the one, yeah, yeah. President of Earth. So, yeah, there you go. Have you seen... Because I'm a fan of Idris Elba, who's in that.

You're a fan of him. Did I make you watch Ultraviolet? So yeah, there you go. Have you seen, because I'm a fan of Idris Elba, who's in that. You're a massive fan. You love him. Did I make you watch Ultraviolet? Yeah. Not the Milla Jovovich film, but the British science fiction series. No, I've seen the Milla Jovovich one, though. Ah, because it's unrelated, but it's a British sci-fi series from the 90s about vampires. Okay.

It's really quite good. I'll check it out. The effects are not good, certainly, because it's a British sci-fi series from the 90s, but he's in that and it's also got the guy from Pirates of the President Leonardo DiCaprio.

No the guy from Pirates of the Caribbean who's like Orlando Bloom's nemesis. He's like the other love interest. What's his name? Oh I know the guy

you're talking about. Yeah yeah yeah. He's in a bunch of He's good too. Yeah yeah. He's in a bunch of stuff. He's really good.

Alright I'll check it out. Please do. Ultra Violet with Mila Kunis. Mila Jovovich. No none of those correct cool

awesome alright that's all we've got to say about Prometheus this week okay good tentatively looking forward to it yeah kind of you know what does look good

upcoming in the Alien franchise yes you know that Alien versus that Alien game they brought out recently Colonial Marines Colonial Marines which is apparently

like the worst game ever made because it's not anything like it was supposed to be and etc and they bring back Michael Bean's character somehow

and they bring him back from the dead and it's set on the original planet even though that planet was nuked at the end that makes zero sense

but they're making a new game called Alien Isolation and you play as it's a first person and you play as Ripley's daughter and you go and visit

the area where Ripley disappeared like 15 years later. Okay, sure. And it's just you and one alien. And that's the whole game. And it looks a bit kind of Dead Space. Have you ever played Dead Space? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The first Dead Space is really good. The second one's alright too. I haven't played the third one. But, um... And it looks really, really atmospheric and really good. So, yeah. I'm looking forward to it. So that's Shades of the Original Alien.

Exactly. The one. But every time they bring in an Aliens game, they're like, you know, we've found what's great about the... Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've whittled it down to the core of what works in the Alien franchise.

Like, have you? Yeah. Have you? No. All you've done is put the machine gun sound in and the sound of the machine that goes... Yeah. Yeah.

That's not enough! Really not. But this game, though, it looks really good. Have you seen, and this is a tangent, but... I've seen Ultraviolet. No. Oh, wait.

Yeah, I was going to say that. Have you seen the... They recently released a Rambo game. Yes. Why? I know. Why? Weird timing.

And it's not, like, based on the most recent one. No. Where he's in Myanmar and it's real, quite, you know, horrors of war, etc. Yeah. It's based on the first three. Yeah. And it looks ridiculous. It does.

It's a rail shooter. Yeah. It's a rail... And it's not a light gun. It's not a light gun game. It's a controller game, yeah. That's so weird. Yeah.

That's an iPhone game. It is. That's what that sounds like. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's baffling. Anyway. We should recommend that, though, in what we read and what we're going to read. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Next up, yeah. Well, that's baffling. Anyway. We should recommend that, though, in what we read and what we're going to read.

Yeah, absolutely. All right. Next up, mate. So this came out Monday, last Monday. The X-Men New Days of Future Past trailer. People crap on this film, mostly for the Quicksilver thing. But that's a pretty good trailer. Am I wrong?

Yes, but that outfit is looking worse and worse. Now that you mention it, it's just... He's just there in the background looking mopey with his dumb goggles on. It sure is. yeah, yeah. But that trailer does look fantastic. It does, yeah. But what do you think about the... Spoiler alert for those...

If you have seen the trailer, you would have seen this. If you have not seen the trailer, possible spoiler alert. So skip forward a few minutes. It looks like Halle Berry gets stabbed in the back by a sentinel. So... Look, because it gets so close that it looks like you could not possibly avoid that. Yeah, but you could CGI in Wolverine. Sure.

Jumping in the middle there. Which is probably what'll happen. They must be non-magnetic, these sentinels. Is that right? Yeah, I'd say so, yeah. Yeah. I'd say the original versions are. Yeah.

Because Magneto probably deals with them quite quickly, but. Yeah. He was non-magnetic. Yeah. There you go. But, I mean, that would explain why most of Halle Berry's scenes have been deleted. Yeah. Apparently.

Yeah. I imagine they said, Okay, Halle, can you just stand here and look bewildered for a second? And then sort of fall to the ground. And she's like, Okay, I guess so. And then, dead. She's like,

I won an Oscar, you know. And they're like, Yeah, we know. Lie down. That's fine. She gets a bad rap about Halle Berry. Yeah. But I like her.

You know what my favourite line in that trailer is? Is it a James McAvoy line? You better believe it is. What is it? I don't want your

future! I'm going to edit that in. Great. Right here. Just to see how dead on that was that we did that.

Can you do it in your New York accent? Forget about your future! Nice. Good. All right. Moving on from! Nice, good. All right. Moving on from that, though, Mason.

Kevin! Does anything more fun happen in there? I guess so. I didn't make any notes on it. I just think it looks great. Just a whole lot of stuff clipped together from the movie. A lot of past, a lot of present. Yeah.

I mean future. You see Iceman do an ice slide. Yep. You see the guy who's made a fire. Is that Chamber, maybe? No, I can't remember. They said who it was. I don't think it's Chamber.

Okay, never mind. Yeah, looks good. Look forward to that, Mason. Definitely. In months to come. I mean, not as much as Prometheus 2, certainly. Sure. Hey, if you had to choose between one.

That'd be X-Men. Yeah. Okay. Kevin Tush... Sorbo. Yes. The president of... So, the CEO of Warner Brothers

his name's spelled T-S-U-J-I-H-A-R-A Kevin T Kevin T he took over as Warner Brothers CEO last year and he's made a decision

apparently to accelerate the use of comic book movie characters and he did so by eliminating some layers of middle management which is really

if you want to get things done that's who you eliminate middle management man I mean I love fighting the want to get things done, that's who you eliminate. Right, okay. Middle management, man. I mean, I love fighting the man. You know I do, Matt. I know you do, yeah. That was all in conjunction with this announcement that he said, Kevin T, that their film series

will be announced in the near future, a DC film series, which will include the Justice League. So, I mean, I guess we assumed this was coming anyway. Yes. But what do you think he means by soon? Do you think he means like right now? I reckon he means 2018. Well, the thing is, you can't...

It's only so fast you could fast track a massive... Franchise. Yeah. You need... The know-how. You need the confidence. Exactly. You need the swagger.

You need goggles. Custom goggles. You need the swagger. You need goggles. Custom goggles. You need seven, you need at least seven decently good, like big stars, right? Yep, yep. Because otherwise it's a team of nobodies and who cares, right? Yep, sure. You know what, you need three. You need a big three at least.

So you need three people who have completely clear schedules for however many months. You need your RDJ. Yep. You need your Tom Hiddleston yep you need a Hemsworth it doesn't matter

which one but a Hemsworth so yeah what do you think of that Mason ah it sounds like a pipe dream sure

yeah a beautiful pipe dream I'd like to see it but it also said that in this particular article the move that they meant

you know they moved Batman vs Superman to the same day as a Marvel movie which turned out to be Captain America that was Warner brothers saying they take a back seat to nobody oh but i would argue that they do take a back seat to a lot of people almost constantly sure cinematically definitely so yeah as much as i love dc and i do they do not have the best track

record or consistency in getting films out on a regular basis. So, you know, make of that what you will. Just before we move on, Mason, there were some set photos from the Avengers Age of Ultron. A few people asked online, what do we think of them, etc. You see Hawkeye's got a sweet long leather coat. Oh, I haven't seen them. You see Iron Man has an armor, a reversed armor.

It might not be Iron Man, though. It could be a... It could be... What are you doing on your iPad? What are you subtly reaching for? I'm just going to look up the set photos. No, that could be a... It could be... What are you doing on your iPad? No, certainly not. What are you subtly reaching for? I'm just going to look up the set photos. No, that's fine. How am I going to discuss these knowledgeably?

So, Mason, what do you think of the on-set photos? You saw the Quicksilver. What do you think? Ah, okay. It's better than the X-Men. I'm assuming that's pre-costume, proper costume as well, because he's just wearing regular runners and kind of like a weird... Like a...

Like a jogging shirt. Yeah, I mean mean that works for me because I the idea is he might be sort of the he's in some sort of terrorist group maybe Brotherhood of Evil

yeah but he also might be just well not that but yeah yeah whatever yeah Brotherhood of Evil guys who aren't shield

I don't know he might be like he's he might be having an off day sure he's on you know he's on vacay

yeah yeah and he doesn't want you know and he's just wearing his jogging stuff absolutely it's fine and it looks nice it looks better than on, you know, he's on vacay. Yeah, yeah. And he doesn't want to, you know, and he's just wearing his jogging stuff. Absolutely. It's fine and it looks nice. It looks better than

a silver jacket with goggles. Absolutely. And he's got the swoosh. He does have the swoosh. What do you think of the Ultron? I mean, obviously, that's a guy in a puffy jacket with a silver helmet.

Boy, is it ever. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, cool. Good head shape. Sure. Great head shape. And also, I think the one that people

asked us specifically to talk about was this Iron Man one in particular. The 42 or the whatever it is. But it's also, if you notice the colors. Colors have been reversed. Or some of them have anyway. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, I'm in favor of that because a lot of the, the complaint about the Mark 42 was that it was, it was way too much gold. Or too cool. Some people said too cool. Some people said it was too cool for school, didn't they?

Yeah, that's right. I like the sweatpants also. Yeah, sure. I think I, with any luck, he hasn't finished the armor and it's, that's right I like the sweatpants also yeah sure I think with any luck he hasn't finished the armour and he's just going to

wear sweatpants yeah the thing about this movie is when you put in an Iron Man costume or whatever at this point we don't know

whether that's you know Tony Stark himself or the Iron Legion or Ultron taking over various armours so we don't know it's all purely speculation

at this point so yeah did you see Clint Barton's sweet new leather jacket I kind of like the sweet jacket me too Legion or Ultron taking over various armors. So we don't know, mate. It's all purely speculation at this point. So yeah. Did you see Clint Barton's sweet new leather jacket? I kind of like the sweet jacket. Me too. Oh, and he's got sleeves. He's got so many... Non-jacket sleeves, got sleeves.

So he's no longer the girl character. He still has... There are still scenes of him where he doesn't have sleeves. Oh, so he's got zip-off sleeves. He must have. I wish he... Yeah, exactly. I wish he had a long coat and no sleeves.

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don't feel obliged to do that. A couple of people did, though, Mason. They did. We earned $6.10 this week. Yes. What do you think of that? Love it. That's Australian as well, so it's not worth as much as overseas.

Our currency is practically dog shit. So, Andrew Zelensnik, he sent $5. I think at this point, let's just say first names. Okay. Andrew Z and Teal E, he sent $1.10 and Andrew sent five bucks. You know what? I think at this point, let's just say first names. Okay. Andrew Z and Teal E. He sent $1.10 and Andrew sent five. So there we go. How good is that?

That's cash money in our pockets. I'm going to buy heroin. Who's your heroin guy? He's just a guy. He's over there. Oh, hey. He's in the corner. He looks really dangerous.

No, but I keep him around. He's still a good heroin, yeah. Sure. Also, I apologize to Courtney Heck, friend of the show, because we didn't do a spoiler alert and I didn't even think to do this because we revealed the identity of the Winter Soldier. And even though a lot of people know this at this point, I feel like I shouldn't have assumed.

You also shouldn't have assumed, so this is on you, that people know the identity of the Winter Soldier. No, I assume stuff. All kinds of stuff. Sure. Sorry, Courtney. Yeah, apologise for that. Yeah, so there you go.

Alright, Mason, let's get into the topic for this week. As I said, I'm going to be on Captain America. Now, we've talked about the Winter Soldier in depth before. We've also talked about the first Avenger in depth before. But you know, Mason, there have been other Captain America movies that I have researched using my skills on the internet. I've tried to steadfastly ignore them for my life. But yes, there are other ones.

Yeah, let's talk about them. Would you like me to take you through the history of Captain America? Yes. I'm talking to the listeners. Oh. I can't hear anything. No, I can't hear anything either. It's weird.

They all abandoned us. Okay. Let's assume they mean yes. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. Now, there was a Captain America cereal. Not cereal as in a delicious cereal. Yeah.

But there was a delicious movie cereal. Not cereal as in a delicious cereal. Yeah. But there was a delicious movie cereal. Oh! That came out actually... So, like little bits of celluloid in there. That's right. Crispy wheat and celluloid. That's it. It came out in 1944, and it was loosely based on the Timely comic.

Timely comic being the original name for Marvel. Marvel comic, sure. Yep. Based on the character Captain America. for Marvel. Marvel College, sure. Yep. Based on the character Captain America.

Now this 1944 serial is actually the first theatrical release connected to a Marvel character. Interesting. The next one being Howl of the Duck in 1986. Really?

Theatrical release, yeah. Like US theatrical release. Some of the ones have been released in cinemas like briefly and whatever, but this is like, this is a proper release.

There's a few things about this movie that I'd like to tell you about. I'm ready. Firstly, it looks terrible. Great. Secondly,

Bucky does not appear in the film. Uh-huh. They have, they've shoehorned in another They have. He has a female secretary

who is his helper. It also says Like his helper, like he has a disability. That's right. The super soldier serum withered his legs away. That's right.

And gave him polio. The super soldier serum was not used. Oh. His shield right. It gave him polio. The super soldier serum was not used. Oh. His shield did not appear. He's just a real tough guy. He's just a real... Well, I'll get to that. Okay.

His shield did not appear. Do you know what it was replaced with? A gun. Yes. Just a gun. Just a gun. Is it a gun? Is it a Stars and Stripes gun?

Just a gun. Is it a real big gun? Is it an impressive gun? Just a gun. Oh. Now, despite this being made in 1944, there were... The war was still going on. The war was very much still going on.

It was in full flight the year before it finished. There was not a single Nazi in it. And he fought the Scarab. Huh. Wouldn't you think that would have been the perfect opportunity to bring in... Yeah. You'd think... Yeah.

Wait a minute. Also, Captain America's secret identity is US District Attorney Grant Gardner. What is this? What is this universe? I think what happened here, I think it was a script for a different movie. And they just shoehorned in. That's right. I'm assuming that's what happened here.

Yeah, yeah. Now, the actor who betrayed him was a famous-ish actor at the time. His name was Dick Purcell. And he was described at the time as having an average to slightly overweight physique. Having just Googled the pictures, if you'd said, could you please describe him, I would have said overweight physique. Now, there's some sad news associated with this movie, aside from everything I've mentioned.

Is it one of those movies that's been cursed? Well, no, not cursed, but I'm sure, if you want to take this as a curse, if you're the kind of fool who believes in curses, Mason, which I know you are.

Well, we were cursed to do this podcast. That's right. For eternity, if you recall. I do remember that. Bloody hell. The strain on his heart, on Dick Purcell's heart

during filming, was too much, and he died in a locker room weeks after filming after playing a round of golf. Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. Can they definitively link it to Captain America though? Well, that's what they say.

I would definitively link it to his overweight physique, if anything. Man, it was the 40s. You know, you ate a good steak and a glass of milk. Yeah, steak and a milk. That's what you... You know, people weren't that up on... Well, you know, you ate a good steak and a glass of milk. Yeah, steak and a milk. That's what you, you know, people weren't that up on, well, you know, that's not true. People knew how to eat healthy. He probably smoked 40 cigars a day.

Yeah, that's right. And, you know, playing a round of golf, it's not the most stressful thing. So, yeah, he clearly had some health issues. Guess how old he was. Okay, well, he looks incredibly old in this photo. So, I'm going to say he was 38 He was 35 Really?

Yeah Jesus That's so fucking People looked awful back in the day, have you noticed? They sure do, Mason It's not just the haircut and the physique though, is it? There's something else, something you can't pinpoint That people just look god awful

Yeah It's the chins It's the chins yeah now uh the writer raymond stedman believed that the changes made uh between the comic book and the film in the film version that were changes for the better no that would you were right you are absolutely right they've shooed on what they've done is they've they've written the script and then maybe they've gotten people on board to make the film yeah and this guy's learned that his character's name is grant and everybody's remembered it as grant and then they've been like

okay now it's it's the captain america film and they're like well i'm not learning steve i'm only responding to grant now and he's not he's just a guy he's a district attorney he's not a soldier like i don't understand this um it's baffling at the time though here's a district attorney. He's not a soldier. I don't understand this. It's baffling. At the time, though, here's a review, Mason. At the time, it was regarded as the apex of traditional action film fighting in the opinion of cliffhanger enthusiasts. Wow.

Cliffhanger enthusiasts magazine. That's pretty great. Yeah. I do love an old-timey magazine. I tell you what This is I looked at it I'm like The apex of

Action fighting combat Hyphen Cat fancier magazine This is one of those things You can't ever go back And watch this can you No Like it's all well and good

Laughing about the death Of a man now Sure absolutely But Enough time has passed That's right but Can you imagine being from this time? Or you know people say,

would you go back in time? I would never go back in time. Not anywhere at any point for any reason. Aside from the ripples through time that it could affect. Can you imagine being forced to go and watch this shit? Because if it was me back then,

I would go and watch it. I'd be like, I have to watch this. Yep. Because there is nothing else. So I'd watch that and then I'd wait 40 it. I'd be like, I have to watch this. Yep. Because there is nothing else. So I'd watch that, and then I'd wait 40 years and I'd watch Howl of the Duck. Yeah. Like, I can't even imagine, like...

Look at this. Look at this guy. And he's wearing the trunks. Yeah. The trunks and the leggings. Completely unnecessary. Doesn't even wear regular pants. Do you like his...

Is that a gun or is he pointing? No, it's a gun. It's a weedy little gun. It's not even a... Like, give him a big gun at least. Give him whatever the biggest gun at the time was, you know? I remember reading... A blunderbuss.

Exactly. And also, I remember reading at the time, like, they felt like the character wasn't, like, constricted to go and change into his Captain America uniform in an army base and sneak off. Uh-huh. Which I don't think he actually did in the original Captain America. Maybe he did, I don't know. But, like, he could just change in his office or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess that's handy. Uh-huh. Which I don't think he actually did in the original Captain America. Maybe he did, I don't know. But, like, he could just change in his office or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess that's handy. Uh-huh. So, yeah, there you go. Check it out. Captain America 1944, Mason. Highly recommended. Can we rubbish this some more?

Absolutely. Let me just have a quick look. Let's see. He seems to be sneaking around a lot of offices, so that's good. He seems to be threatening a man in a bathroom.

That's good, isn't it? He doesn't have any wings on his head. It looks kind of ridiculous. You mean this movie looks kind of ridiculous? Yeah, this movie looks a little bit ridiculous. How dare you? Yeah, you're right. No, that'll do it.

No good. Hey, hypothetical time travel. How about this? God, okay. How about this? You have to. Okay, imagine, if you will, as a device. Sure. Right, and what it can do is it can take your mind? You have to. Okay. Imagine, if you will, as a device. Sure.

Right. And what it can do is it can take your mind back in time to any point in your history. Sure. And then you live your life forward again from that point. So you can change things. Would I mess up people having kids and stuff? Because if you bump a guy on the street, suddenly his sperm count is out and he's a different kid.

Let's say no. Unless you kill him, it'll be fine. So you can live your life, and you have to go back. How far do you go back? I go right back. I go to like four, and I just mess with everybody. And you know, okay, so you know what you know now. Okay, cool. Yeah, absolutely. Can you imagine? I mean, you know what, it would be a nightmare because people would, the way people would talk to you, you'd be forced to go to school and whatever and you'd be considered a freak because you you don't want to talk to other kids because kids are the worst yeah but also adults don't want to talk to you

right because you're a child yeah so you'd become a weird social outcast i guess maybe not maybe i'd go back to like 14 15 exactly here's what that's what i'm talking about yeah it's interesting because i ask people this a lot yeah and i because a lot of people be like i'll go back and i'll invest in google and blah blah blah, blah, right? Nah, I don't care about that. Yeah, okay. I mean, I probably would if it were not whatever. Yeah, just out of...

I do not... I just bet all my money on like one big sporting match that I... If I can remember what happened. Oh, you'd sports almanac this. I just do that, whatever, yeah. Yeah, okay, cool. Yeah. All right.

Shares seem like a lot of effort, you know? Yeah. Getting shares and stuff. Getting, maintaining shares, share portfolios. Sharing things. Sharing. Sharing a sandwich. Yeah, maintaining shares, share portfolios. Sharing things. Sharing. Sharing a sandwich. Sharing some tapas, you know.

But if, yeah, that's why. What would you do? I'd probably go back like 10 minutes. I like what I'm doing now. That's the thing. Yeah. There's no time like the now, Mason. Correct.

Until you have a heart attack in a bathroom. Oh. Jeez. Oh. So, yeah. Good question, though. Yeah. Can you imagine though having to go back to high school? People write in. I would like to hear, good question though. Yeah. Can you imagine

having to go back to People write in, I would like to hear. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Can you imagine going back to high school? Some people's answers

are really depressing though. Yeah. They're like, I'll go back to last week and I wouldn't let Jenny go. I'd apologise. And you're like, oh, what did I ask?

I thought you were going to say something wacky. Yeah, nothing depressing. Thank you. Don't bring us down. Yeah. Just wacky stuff yeah

you know what I'd probably do I'd really just go back and mess with people that's what I would do good idea all my enemies Mason all my personal where deaders I would

you'd clear them you'd clear that ledger I understand so yeah now there wasn't a Captain America movie or sort of movie for a while

but there were some television movies in 1979 one was called Captain America and one was called Captain America. Captain America. Captain America Death Too Soon.

Now, basically, Steve Rogers in this. Yes. Okay, so we've made it to Steve Rogers. Yeah, that's it. His father was a 1940s government agent, but he was such a good government agent that he got the nickname Captain America. And that inspired this former Marine turned artist to draw this particular Captain America costume. And then after an accident that he has, he's given FLAG, which stands for Full Latent Ability

Gain. Why don't you say Super Serum? Thank you. Yes. Now, he has a modified van this is his mode of transport if you will great that launches a motorcycle out the back the motorcycle also has a jet boost and a hang glider attached for easy landing oh yeah now this is the movie as well very famously he's got the the clear plastic shield. Yep, uh-huh, sure. And he has the motorcycle helmet. He does, yeah.

Yeah. Through the whole film. That's right. Never takes it off. Yeah. In the second movie, though, he doesn't have it. I think he has the, um, he has a regular Captain America helmet. Okay, so there was a sequel.

There was a sequel that same year, yeah. Guess who plays a villain in the sequel? Very famous schlock actor, older than time itself. Christopher Lee? Correct. Yeah! He played a villain in part two called Miguel. Uh-huh.

Now, this is what... I don't want to spoil the ending to this movie. Wait, is that racist? I don't know. Okay, good. I don't see race, Mason. I understand. I don't see racism either.

I just let it go right past. Solves a lot of your problems, I guess. Sure does. In the end of the movie... Oh, spoiler alert, Mason. I'm going to spoil this movie for you. You ready? Okay, cool, yep. At the end of the movie, Miguel throws... alert, Mason, I'm going to spoil this movie for you, ready? Okay, cool, yep.

At the end of the movie, Miguel throws a... At the end of the second movie. Second movie, so I should say. At the end of the... Because the first movie just ended, I think,

with a fist fight, I don't know. Oh, it ended with Captain America dying. Okay, right. Yeah, it's weird. This was the Civil War of its time.

It was. You could never make a late 70s, early 80s Captain America sequel without Captain America and everybody scoffed and then they did. In their faces. A late 70s, early 80s Captain America sequel to Captain America. And everybody scoffed. And then they did.

In their faces. At the end of the movie, Miguel throws a bottle of aging serum into the air. Winter Soldier has a disco ball arm. Continue. On a rope? Yeah. So he can swing it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He throws that aging serum into the air, hoping it will smash on Captain America. But Captain America throws his shield at it. His mighty shield. His mighty shield. Smashing it in a way that it lands on Miguel, aging him to death in less than one minute. Less than one minute. That's a long time, though. Especially on film in the 70s.

Yes. So, yeah. See, that seems like kind of that Red Skull thing where he's always blowing the death dust on people. Yeah. He's always blowing back in his own face. In his own face, yeah. Except they didn't use the Red Skull thing where he's always blowing the death dust on people. Yeah. And he's blowing it back in his own face. In his own face, yeah. Except they didn't use the Red Skull for some reason. They used Christopher Lee. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So there you go. There's a little... If you Google image search 1979 Captain America... Yeah. There's a photo of him looking very non-threatening with his... Yeah, but it looks kind of good. It's okay.

Yeah. Except for the helmet. Yeah, yeah. But with his giant helmet with the wings on it, which makes him look ridiculous, like a ridiculous lollipop man. And he's there and he's looking as threatening as he could possibly be. And there's like an angry grandmother behind him with a clipboard. And I don't know what the context of that is, but it doesn't matter, does it?

If you think about it. No, it doesn't. You're not going to believe this, Mason, but at the time, these movies received a mixed reception. Huh. Really? Yeah. So, Mason, but at the time, these movies received a mixed reception. Huh. Really? Yeah. So bad to terrible.

Bad to terrible, yes. So there you go. Those movies are around, and you can get them on YouTube. And you just discovered as well just then, didn't you, that you can get that first one we talked about. The 1944 serial. The whole thing is on there. It's on YouTube.

So get into that. So yeah, check that out. Or don't. Don't. I will. Mason, skip forward 11 years. Okay. Wait, what happened to that intervening? Well, that out. Or don't. Don't. I will. Mason, skip forward 11 years. Okay. Wait, what happened to that intervening...

Well, there was a few things, though, and I'll get to them later. Sure. I just meant generally. Oh, generally? Yeah. Well, both of us were born. This would be the point where I'd just start singing We Didn't Start the Fire by Billy Joel, if I can remember any of it.

Something, something, by a snake, Harry Potter, something, something. In 1990, this is a very famous... I remember 1990. I was alive for this movie. Both of us were alive. I don't remember this movie, though, at the time. There was a Captain America film, which was supposed to be released in cinemas, but it wasn't. Famously terrible.

The director of this, actually, before the new Captain America, the first Avenger, came out, he toured the country with it in cinemas. Yeah. That's one of those things where you see it... Oh, like as a goof? No. Oh. It's one of those things where you see it, before the movie comes out, you see it on the shelf in, like, your DVD store or whatever.

And it's just got the shield on the front, and it tricks grandmothers into buying it for their grandchildren. Right, exactly. Like a transmorphers. Exactly. Sure. Yeah. I mean, it's called Captain America shield on the front. And it tricks grandmothers into buying it for their grandchildren. Like a transmorphers. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, it's called Captain America. What else do you want? Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. So that's it. Now, they actually considered, which is revolutionary at the time. I was going to say, you know how we like our combinations of terrible DVDs? Oh, yeah. Is this the one that people sent us? Yeah, absolutely. Dylan Burgess sent us a combination,

an incongruous combination of DVDs. It's the first X-Men film, and it's a two-DVD set, the first X-Men film, and the 1960s Batman movie. All right. Great. That's the winner, I think.

Two great movies, it says, up the top. And they're right. They are two great movies. I do not understand how that happens yeah that cannot be legal no

right I guess because I know they had such a big problem with getting the Batman 1960 show on DVD that's only just

been announced yeah yeah yeah I think the movie was already on DVD but how did they get those two together so yeah there you go. That is the winner.

If you find a weirder double pack than that, and it doesn't have to be... Or even a weirder triple pack. Yeah, it doesn't have to be anything superhero related. If you find one, we want to know. Yeah, that's our favourite thing. This is a personal quest for us. Yeah. And right now, Dylan is winning.

Yeah. So yeah. Basically, this movie was revolutionary for the time because it actually wanted to use, initially, two actors for the role of Captain America. Oh, Skinny and... They didn't do it. Now, if you want to watch... So, it's hypothetically revolutionary.

Yes. Now, you don't want to watch this movie, by all accounts, but Red Letter Media put a video up a few weeks back. They do this Best and Worst Of series where they did, I think, Roger Corman Fantastic Four, Supergirl, which is terrible, and this in one video.

Go and check it out. It's a really good... Red Letter Media guys are great. It's a really good review of it. But basically, at the time, Arnold Schwarzenegger was considered for the role. Yeah, okay. Which, you know, that would have been in the 90s.

It would have been like, forget it. It doesn't matter. He doesn't have an accent. Who cares? Yeah, yeah. But apparently you know, that would have been in the 90s. It would have been like, forget it. It doesn't matter. He doesn't have an accent. Who cares? Yeah, yeah. But apparently that ruled him out. Dolph Lundgren was also considered for the role. But then he got the Punisher.

He did. Oh, wait, that was before, yeah. Yeah. Val Kilmer was considered, but declined, because he was doing that Doors movie. Wow. Which... That's probably a better move, ultimately. Though, you know, people...

That movie... I'm not going to talk about Doors. Okay, good, yeah. Who cares? Too far out of our wheelhouse. It sure is. It's way out. a better move ultimately though you know people that movie I'm not going to talk about it who cares too far out of our wheelhouse it sure is it's way out we did go on to

play a superhero eventually Mason the saint stop it stop it you now the original mask in the

film initially had ear holes that allowed the actor Matt Salinger son of J.D. Salinger, isn't that incredible. It is, yeah.

It allowed his ears to poke through. But that chafed his ears. So what they did... Poor Matt Salinger. He got chafed on his ears. What they decided to do was add rubber ears to the outside. Oh dear. And it's very noticeable.

It's hard to duplicate an ear mason, as we know. Yeah. You've got two options. Rubber ears or clone an ear on the back of a mouse. Yes, that's right. That's really all you've got. Yeah. Now, it's weird, and I saw this in the Red Letter Media thing.

There are two separate scenes in this movie where Captain America is hitching a ride with somebody. And he pretends to be ill, so he gets gets out pretends like he's gonna like be sick and then he races back to the car and steals it that happens twice that's his move yes that's fascinating so yeah that's amazing it's also um he doesn't throw his shield or whatever it's pretend to be ill so weird that's it so bizarre now before this movie was introduced I know you love a Stan Lee fact yes I'm ready Marvel Comics

head honcho Stan Lee insisted that it was good he wrote the director Albert Pune P-Y-U-N

I think he did we've talked about him before he did like Cyborg and that didn't he maybe I don't know anyway director

Albert Pune did it so well and so excitingly that everyone in the audience at the screening kept clamouring for more and that accounted for the film being scheduled for reshoots. Wow. So people in the cinema were like, more, more, encore. We want more.

Put another scene in where he pretends to be sick and steals a cup. Do it right now. That's what? People in the 90s were idiots. Yeah. You know, I think that's covering up the fact that they had to reshoot it because it was a mess. and steals the car. Do it right now. That's what? People in the 90s were idiots. Yeah. Right? You know, I think that's covering up the fact that they had to reshoot it because it was a mess.

Yeah, I'd imagine so, yeah. That's the kind of thing that they would say. And I love Stan Lee. Stan Lee, God bless him. Yeah. But I don't believe that for a second. No, exactly. It currently holds a 9% on Rotten Tomatoes.

And Rob Gons... No, that's the pre-extra footage version. Oh, it must be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Rob Gons... No, that's the pre-extra footage version. Oh, it must be. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Rob Gonsalves, he writes for eFilmCritic.com. I took one quote from Rotten Tomatoes for this.

This is his quote. One of the dumbest movies of all time. Yeah, good. So, yeah, I wouldn't recommend it, but I recommend checking out that Red Letter Media review of it. Absolutely. So, yeah. What an age we live in.

Now, the next Captain America movie was the first Avenger. Oh, we've seen that. Yes, we have. Now, I didn't get any trivia for that. We've talked about it at length. If you'd like to know some trivia and stuff about it, please feel free to check out our audio commentary for that. So, yeah. Love it.

At theweeklyplanet.bandcamp.com forward slash Mason backslash James forward slash fun hashtag best friends. That's the one. I was hoping you'd put in that. So, yeah. Now, Mason,

I want to talk more about Captain America. As I said to you earlier, it's a mishmash of an episode. Uh-huh, sure. Like the movie MASH. Yep.

The original, which is a great movie and show. Yes. You know I love MASH. There have been some alternative comic versions of Captain America. A few I'm going to get you to talk about.

Okay, sure. On the fly. Uh-huh. And a few I'm going to talk about. Now, there's actually a version in alternative dimensions and whatnot. So I've just picked some interesting or amusing ones. This one, in particular, Steve Rogers was selected for the Weapon X program. And he was given a procedure similar to Wolverine's that bonds vibranium to his skeleton

with the same material used as his shield and he was given the codename Vibram. So that's interesting, isn't it? It's certainly a thing that happened in comic books. I don't remember that one at all. What was this? I have no idea. I'm assuming it was probably...

Well, Wolverine was from the 80s, isn't he? So I'm assuming it was probably from the 80s. Or 90s. I'm going to say 90s. Because 90s was the heyday of the what-ifs. There's so many what-ifs. That's true. Well, most of these are what-ifs.

You know what? Another thing to add to our drinking game. Whenever we say the 90s, have a drink. I've got another one. The Amalgam... Amalgam? The Amalgam Universe. Yeah.

Captain America was combined with DC's Superman. Oh, okay. Sorry, go on. I was going to try and remember his name from that universe. Oh, do you want to guess? Let me think. Combined with DC's Superman. It was a super soldier.

It was! Yeah, okay, there we go. Very good! Yay! Yeah, I haven't read that. Have you read it? Yeah, I remember those. Was it really good?

Uh, mixed. But they were all... Amalgam was the... Do you remember Marvel vs. DC? Yeah, there was a lot of that. I've read the Daredevil Batman one. I think you lent me that. Maybe.

No, no, no. This was... Oh, you're talking like the mixture thing. Yeah, there was a Marvel vs. DC crossover. There was a guy who could travel between the two universes. And there was some sort of beings that represented... The cosmic beings that represented each of the universes combined into one briefly.

And all the heroes combined together. This is like Mortal Kombat versus DC. No. Because they all mixed together. They didn't really. They didn't. Shao Kahn mixed with Darkseid. Oh yeah, that's just the one.

Just the one. Yeah, that one happened, yeah. But it was all like Iron Lantern and... Okay. There was... Actually, the one positive about that, there was a Batman-Wolverine combination called Dark Claw. And in the first Marvel vs. DC series,

it was like extreme 90s Dark Claw. Have a drink. But then in the second... They did a second run of these characters. They made some new ones and some old ones. But they did a second run of these characters. They made some new ones and reused some old ones. But they did Adventures of Dark Claw in the style of the Batman animated series. So that's a positive. Get a hold of that one.

That's a good one. All right. I'll check it out. Yeah. Now, I wanted to ask you in particular. You mentioned before. I think you mentioned on the audio commentary thing that Captain America has been a werewolf. Oh, yes.

You want to tell me about that? Well, here's the thing about that, is that, and we have mentioned this, but there was a period in the 90s where Captain America wasn't very good. You know, he was on the outside of popularity. Sure. He's come back now since. But he had that sweet movie. He was writing off the sweet movie.

Oh, yeah. So really, comics let Captain America down. Yeah, that sweet movie. He was writing off the sweet movie. Oh, yeah. Where was J.D.? So really, comics let Captain America down. Yeah, absolutely. And basically, the villain was Nightshade, who's a sultry seductress of some sort. I love sultry seductress. Anyway, she injected him with, like, mutagens. Okay. And he became a werewolf.

All the time? Yeah, all the time. And he couldn't... It was one of those... Because it was the 90s, thought bubbles were still there. And he couldn't speak. He one of those... Because it was the 90s, thought bubbles were still there. And he couldn't speak. He could only, like, bark. So there was a lot of...

They could have just made him speak. No. It's the 90s, man. But there were a lot of... Because thought balloons still existed. There was a lot of thought balloons where he was like, Must speak. Must communicate with.

Throat not making words. You know, there's a lot of that. Well, that sounds really good. Yeah, absolutely. Would you recommend that? Yeah, it was like six issues. Wow. Which is way too many issues, right?

I agree. Half an issue. There was a Batman and Vampire at one point as well. It was called Bampfire. That's the one. Bampfire? Yeah, Bampfire. You're thinking of a campfire.

Oh, I am thinking of a campfire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know I love a campfire. Oh, I am thinking of a campfire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know I love a campfire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, what do you got there? Well, he punched on with Wolverine. Yeah, yeah, I've got that here as well. Great.

It says that he beat Wolverine. Yeah, well, he slashed his face. Oh. Yeah. And it was one of those... It's also that era where you couldn't really show blood. Okay. So all blood was black back then.

Oh, right, okay. So everything was in shadow and kind of... Yeah't really show blood. Okay. So all blood was black back then. Oh, right. Okay. So everything was in shadow and kind of... Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Yeah.

Anyway. Get into it. Don't. Don't. Don't read it. Man and Wolf. If you must. The storyline was called Man and Wolf.

Man and Wolf. That makes sense. That's a good name. Yeah. Yeah. Did you enjoy the werewolf movie with Benicio Del Toro? There we go What have you got?

Look, we've got a thought balloon We've got him slashing Wolverine in the face And he's still wearing the outfit Yeah, he's still wearing the little outfit, sure Of course he is, why wouldn't he be? Is he still holding the shield? Ah, yes, he's still holding the shield Fantastic

There was a what if, Mason But that's only because he'll set it down And somebody will fill it with water And he'll laugh from it There was a what if, Mason From the Age of Apocalypse era set it down and somebody will fill it with water and he'll lap from it. There was a What If Mason from the Age of Apocalypse era in 2006, where Captain America became the leader of the Defenders, which was that reality as the Avengers, alongside Logan, Captain Britain, who had Iron Man's armour, Brother Voodoo. Yeah, Brother Voodoo.

Colossus. He's now Doctor Voodoo. He's the current Sorcerer Supreme. Yeah, that's what it says. Yeah, Brother Voodoo Colossus He's now Doctor Voodoo He's the current Sorcerer Supreme Yeah, that's what it says Yeah, yeah Colossus The Thing

Who has a prosthetic arm Molecule Man Sauron Oh, he's like He's like a pterodactyl man He's not a big eye? No, he's not a big eye He's a green pterodactyl man

I think he wears underpants Great He's like a Fin Fan Foom Kind of situation Yeah, yeah Where he's got underpants on And Nate Nate Summers Ohom kind of situation where he's got underpants on.

And Nate Summers I'm assuming is the son or daughter of Scott Summers. Yeah, hang on. Oh, he's

from the future. He's X-Man. Okay. I think maybe. He just took the name X-Man. He's a version of X-Man.

Okay, cool. Yeah. In this reality this is what I thought was the interesting part Captain America no longer wears a mask that's not interesting

but he does wield the shield and Thor's hammer so it turns out he's worthy he is worthy that's true other people are worthy

in alternate dimensions I think Storm is worthy to lift Thor's hammer Chris Hemsworth's worthy but he's the only Hemsworth who is worthy yeah sometimes

what they do is when they're hanging out in like their pad in like they're padded And like They got like a Like a pad in Miami Or something like that They got a sweet LA pad

And what Chris Hemsworth Will do is he'll put like a Like a The latest issue of Us Weekly On the coffee table And he'll put the hammer On top of it And he'll be like

Hey can you pass me And Liam will come in And be like Oh it's the new Us Weekly And he'll try to lift the hammer But he can't do it And the other Hemsworth's brother Comes in Yep But I don't know his name chad hemsworth christopher lee hemsworth

so yeah there you go jd salinger chris hemsworth if you have anything else to say about that you can think cool um in the spider ham comic books mason correct there's a funny animal version of captain america called called Steve Mouser. He's an anthropomorphic cat who works for the Daily Beagle and is also secretly Captain Americat. Yes, he is. Thank you. I know you love the Spider-Ham universe. I love funny animals.

I love the whole deal. That's it. So there you go. Oddly, Spider-Ham is not a pig. he's a spider who was bitten by a pig and then became a pig like he gained the appearance of a pig with spider powers not pig powers no he has some pig powers i'd imagine he's got that snout a fine snout sure did you hear um they just announced a spider-man comic book series that's going to incorporate every Spider-Man from every universe?

How do you mean? Every Spider-Man. Yeah, no, I get that. I understand words. I understand the words you're using. How are they bringing it together? I don't know,

dimension some shit. Maybe they all touch an artifact in their own dimension. Is this a mini-series? Yeah, something like that. Is it a Shattered Dimension style thing? I started to play that game.

How'd that go? It's not good. Not good. Give me the proper web swinging. Don't put me in a corridor. What the hell is wrong with you? Mason. I'm sorry.

I've got some Captain America trivia, Mason. I'm ready. Before we leave it for the day. Bit of a mishmash. In 1941, Captain America, the first issue, sold nearly one million copies. But not everybody was happy with it, Mason. I wasn't, certainly.

It got a storm of hate mail from American Nazis. Of course it did. Now, the Captain America Now, comic number one, is one of the world's most valuable comics. If you got a near mint one, Mason,

with very little foxing, that'll get you around $115,000. At the time, it cost 10 cents, which at the time was about 4,000 euro so there you go Marvel's first African American

superhero the Falcon was introduced in Captain America so it was their first one he donned the Falcon guise at the urging of Steve Rogers and he was also the first African superhero without the word black in his name. There we go, yeah.

And that trend continues. There's still so many. There's still, they still do it. Yeah, yeah. It was also Stan Lee's first published work was a Captain America book

in the 40s and he also invented the shield throw. Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah. No, he invented throwing members of SHIELD. Oh, sure, okay. Captain America hasn't always been Captain America.

He's been disillusioned with America numerous times. Yep. Including during Watergate, he became the Nomad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the 90s, he became... Which is another character that's been passed along. Yeah, to who? Well, the crazy Bucky from the 50s became Nomad.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Cool, cool. And he was extreme the 50s became Nomad. Oh, okay. Yeah. Cool, cool. And he was extreme 90s Nomad. I bet he was. Everyone drink. What was I going to say? He became the captain in the 90s? Also, he carried like a... He had a kid who he carried in like a backpack.

Bucky did? Yeah, Nomad. Oh, wow. Okay, there you go. He just had a kid in like a baby Bjorn. He's carried it around sometimes. Fight and crumb the baby in your backpack. Yeah, sometimes I think. That seems really dangerous. It does, doesn't it? Yeah.

Yeah, so he became the captain in the 90s. A similar kind of disillusionment with the government. He also became the president in the Ultimate Universe, the Ultimate Universe. So there you go. So he's had many roles, Mason, over the years. Yeah, absolutely. He's like the Barbie of the Marvel Universe. He can be anything he wants.

He can be President Steve Rogers. He can be Homemaker Steve Rogers. He can be Architect Steve Rogers. Oh, imagine. Yeah. Comic book artist Steve Rogers. He's done that. Has he?

Yeah, he's an artist. That's amazing. He can do it all. In the movie Captain... Malibu Steve Rogers. In the movie, Mason,ibu Steve Rogers In the movie Mason, it said that he's a founding member of the Avengers, but actually in the

comics, well you know because that movie is famously called The First Avenger, Captain America was unfrozen in Avengers 4 and he was accidentally discovered when the team was looking for Namor, the Submariner So what do you think of that? Good. I'm in favour of it In 1985

This is the last fact Mason There was a Captain America musical in the works The casting ad featured Captain America dancing With a top hat and cane So that's what happened in the 80s Between the 1979 Captain America And the 1990 Captain America

I'm glad that I know now What? What? How? Well it didn't happen so yeah I guess we can be thankful for that

but we did get Spider-Man Turn Off the Duck that's true yeah what precedent was that that's the spiritual sequel I like to think so yeah what what

how did that come about why did people think Captain America needs a musical well the 80s kind of had it there was a weird superhero push but most of them

are terrible oh yeah good point so I might as well try a musical yeah yeah whatever works. People would be grasping at anything, mate. Yeah, yeah. Anything.

Anything at all. Now, mate, so I've got a question for you. I'm ready. The character of Captain America has become in and out of favour over the years. Uh-huh. Why do you think he's become such a long-lasting character? Let's delve into this. And by that I mean let's just really skip over this quickly.

Yeah, let's just skim it real quick. Ah, boy. Unchecked patriotism. Sure. That's probably it. Initially. Yeah. Sure.

He punched Hitler that time. Yeah, he did. But that's his... Because I know people take issues with the American government and whatever. So I'd say that's probably why he fell out of favour for a lot of it. Do you think he's... I mean, do you think it was the Ed Brubaker's kind of run that made him kind of... Well, that certainly made him a character again.

Yeah. It's made him a worthwhile character again, probably. Sure. I don't know. Yeah. I think editors must like him. Sure. Yeah.

I think what works for me in any way... Yeah. Because obviously we're not American, right? You're from New York, though, aren't you? any way. Yeah. Because obviously we're not American, right? You're from New York though, aren't you? I am. Yeah. I try to cover my New York accent with this horrible Australian accent.

But the sincerity of him, I like. I like my superhero. Maybe call me Old Fashioned Mason. Call me it. I'd fucking dare you. What? I like the old fashioned superheroes. Like I like your Superman

and I like your kind of Captain America, because they've been given these kind of powers, and they can pretty much do whatever they want. Captain America, obviously, less so, because he's really just a man. And what a man. It's his sense of morality, and what he decides to fight for.

Fair play. Yeah, fair play, all those kind of things that I really, really enjoy. I also really enjoy, he'll hit someone really hard with a shield yeah that's good isn't it yeah yeah yeah

I think that for me is why I like Captain America because I'm sure growing up I was like Captain America I like extreme Wolverine or whatever I like Wolverine

he's fine but I think that's why I like him okay and because he's pretty handsome yeah so you know yeah yeah

and obviously the movie helped yeah that was good yeah it's pretty much that the 99 movie would we be talking about Captain America So, you know. And obviously the movie helped. Yeah, it was good. Yeah. It's pretty much that. The 99 movies. Would we be talking about Captain America at all if it weren't for the movie? No. Exactly.

There you go. That's a good point. So, yeah. So, I thought, Mason, for this week's What We Read and What We Gonna Read, why don't we recommend some Captain America readings? Do you want to go first? Well, I'm going to recommend, and if you haven't read it, it came out in about 2002, 2003. It's called Truth, Red, White and Black.

And it tells the tale of Isaiah Bradley, who's the black Captain America. Yeah. Where it was revealed that in attempting to sort of make a secondary super soldier serum, the US government tested some various chemicals on African-American populations, on African-American troops, and everybody dies except one. And it's sort of a... People might know...

This is going to get depressing. This is not fun, certainly. There's a very famous experiment the US government conducted called the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. Okay. Where the US government essentially tricked a whole bunch of rural African American men into thinking they were receiving healthcare. And just sort of tested syphilis on them. Is that a real thing? That's a real thing that happened, yeah.

Holy shit. Yes, I'm against that. The Weekly Planet podcast is against that. It's against giving people syphilis. Yes, I'm against that. The Weekly Planet podcast is against that. It's against giving people syphilis. Jesus, man. And they just sort of watch their community and see what happens. What the fuck is wrong with people? I know.

This started in like the 30s. Yeah. And like the cure for syphilis came out in the 60s, I think. Yeah. And this experiment continued to like the late 70s. Holy crap. Yeah, right? Mid-70s. Sure. Early 70s. Holy crap. Yeah, right? Mid 70s.

Sure. Early 70s. Doesn't matter. Too far. Many years afterwards. It runs parallels to that real world and it's become very heavy issues, but it's a... It's a good read. It's a really good read, yeah.

That sounds great. Yeah, and as we know, Isaiah Bradley, grandfather of a patriot from the Young Avengers. I did not know that. There you go. The more you know. The more you know. That sounds great. Yeah. I'll definitely check that out. Give go. The more you know. The more you know. Yeah. That sounds great. Yeah.

I'll definitely check that out. Give that a read. So read that above The Werewolf 1. Ah. If you had to choose. Oh, yeah, okay. If you had to choose. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sure. Well, look, I'm going to recommend then, Mason, everybody's familiar with the Captain America's Death of Captain America storyline. Uh-huh. But there's actually a book, a compendium. But not everybody's familiar with the birth of Captain America's storyline.

It's gross. A sickly child fired into the world. But basically there was a compendium called Fallen Son, Death of Captain America by Joseph Loeb. Yep. And he wrote the Batman, what was it, the Long Halloween, didn't he? Oh, yeah. Which is great.

Basically where five different artists take on this five-part story that covers the aftermath of his death, that covers Wolverine, the Avengers, Clint Barton, Hawkeye, who I think actually takes it on at some point, the role in that point, I can't remember, Spider-Man and Iron Man. He rips the sleeves off, obviously. He certainly does.

So, yeah, I think that's a very interesting... It's more of a kind of like a tribute to the character of Captain America because at that point, Mason, we weren't sure that he was coming back. We were sure that was a misdirect. That's, yes. We were very sure because the movie was coming out. Yeah. So there you go.

So I definitely recommend reading that. So either of those two, get into it. Yeah. We're good at recommending stuff. We sure are, Mason. We're the best. Yeah, yeah. Well, look, Mason, no shout outs this week.

Correct. It's been a busy week. Correct. Well, you know. Yeah. It's been a busy week. It's been a very busy week, so I apologise for that. And the podcast is stretching. We should mention, though, our friends, the Haydens. Yes.

They had their babies. Exactly. Yeah. Justin Hayden, Stephanie Hayden, and decided to name their baby... Connor. Connor Patrick. Patrick Razal Gugu Hayden. Thank you.

Which was your recommendation. Absolutely, yeah. So, yeah. And a second update, which I enjoyed very much. Do you remember Jose Peralta? Yeah. Friend of the show. Yeah.

Who, he dressed as Spider-Man? He did dress as Spider-Man. No. You're thinking of the guy, the other guy who dressed as Spider-Man for Comic-Con. Yep. So, Jose Peralta asked to go to prom. Correct. Yeah.

And it worked. And it did. And he did it. Baldi move. He did it. Yep move he did it yep champion everybody should do that yep

don't do it no don't it's a one in a million shot he's uh yeah he's got that certain something he certainly does uh huh so yeah

look I just want to quickly explain the reason why we can't do shoutouts this week because I didn't have a lot of time to get them together this week and we got something of 50 plus emails I cannot shout out 50 emails in an episode it's impossible so what we're going to do possibly every week is pick out two or three kind of big ones the cream of the crop the cream of the crop and we're going to go with that and any like i'll try and mention people who have suggestions for things and

opinions on stuff throughout the show as well which i've sort of been doing trying to be doing which i kind of failed this episode to do but but I think I did one at the start. So there you go. That's right. So yeah. But Daniel Quiroz and John Clayton, they sent us a Buzzfeed article about all the horrific things

that happened in Australia, like snakes eating crocodiles and spiders the size of your face and all sorts of shit. Like the top 25 horrific things in Australia. Yeah. Now, because we're from Melbourne, Mason, we don't see a lot of that, do we?

I've had like nine of them happen to me. Really? Yeah. So what would you say? Do you have any stories relating to horrific monster animals that we have here? Bear in mind, the stuff that kills you here, it's not really, it's mostly not big stuff. It's just little poisonous stuff. Yeah, it's ticks and stuff.

Spiders. White-tailed spider. Yeah. Though they've never killed anyone. Yeah. True story. But yeah. You got anything in Yeah, though they've never killed anyone. Yeah. True story. But yeah, you got anything in particular like a spider's fallen on your face? Hit a kangaroo with my car

once. But it was like, it jumped right out in front of me and I slowed down to like 5 kilometres an hour and I just sort of tapped it and it looked at me puzzled and it walked away. It hopped away. That's what kangaroos do. But they're indestructible. Yeah, they are. I've had, I know multiple people who they have

fucked up their cars on a kangaroo because they move around they move dawn and dusk yes and they can't see shit right and they'll just jump

it's weird they'll wait until your car's near the road they'll panic and then they'll run across yeah and just get cleaned up

yeah yeah I've nearly hit one multiple times but I've never actually hit one and apparently like the worst thing you can do is hit it at speed. Because apparently what they'll do is they'll crash through your windscreen into the car.

And they're big and they're dense. And they'll panic and they'll just start kicking. They're pure muscle. And they'll just start kicking. Yeah. And you're dead, mate. My uncle had a dog. The kangaroo kicked it open.

Wow. Kicked it right open. Yeah. Because they've got sharp little claws. They've got sharp little claws. Because kangaroo kicked it open. Wow. Kicked it right open. Yeah. Because they've got sharp little claws. They've got sharp little claws. Because they can balance that. Big claws. My brother, my older brother, is obsessed with this particular kangaroo.

I can't remember what he calls it. But we go... It's his nemesis. It's his nemesis, yeah. We go for runs or walks in this particular park. We take our dogs. It's a delightful experience. And there's this one kangaroo that is just...

It looks like it's jacked. Like it is... Like it's worked out like a mad dog. It's like a mad dog. Like shoulders like you wouldn't believe. Yeah.

It is the Arnold Schwarzenegger of kangaroos. So, yeah. Don't touch kangaroos unless you're in a petting zoo. And even then, they still could kick the shit out of you.

Uh-huh. Yeah. A friend of mine a while back had like a... had like a birthday thing. And it was out in like some sort of... It was way out in the sticks.

And it was kind of like... It was like on this... They'd hide out like this Christian Brothers property. Sure. Just to use that for a while. But because it was on public... Because it's on privately owned property. Yeah.

Like it's not listed on any like any gps kind of things so like i got to like a gps i was i was trying to find it and i got to this gps dead zone where i didn't know where i was and it was like 1 a.m and i'm trying to get to this place and it's total darkness there's no lighting on the street and it's all these little this maze of this weird and i'm like okay i'm just gonna get it i'll set my you know i'll i'll get to the i'll get out in the middle of the road and i'll just oh there's nobody around i'll open the door get out and i'll just i'll just get my torch out and i'll look around for street names sure i got out like the engine going and the the headlines are and i get out and i look around and captain america

stole your car yeah that's right and i looked left and i looked right And then I looked back And I realised there were like six kangaroos Just standing around Like real big ones And it's terrifying I'm lost And I'm late And they're just pouted for some bad timing buddy

You picked the wrong Christian Brothers neighbourhood To end up in There's not as many kangaroos as you'd think No there's not Especially not where we live the wrong Christian Brothers neighbourhood to end up in. There's not as many kangaroos as you'd think. No, there's not. Especially not where we live. We have foxes and shit as well, which you introduced.

But all the real dangerous stuff is up north. As you know, I used to live up north in a very, very remote town briefly for a year. It was a nightmare, as you're well aware. I'm aware. But it was beautiful in the sense that it was very remote and whatever,

but you couldn't... There was water everywhere because was very remote and whatever. But you couldn't... There was water everywhere because it was on the coast. But you couldn't swim because of the amount of crocodiles and sharks that were out there. I mean, you just take a fishing boat out every weekend. And so there were a lot of local guys there, like indigenous guys. And they had no problem with it. They'd just go in the water. But you could see the crocs in the water.

And you could see just their heads. And for anyone who's never seen a crocodile, they're, they're terrifying. And they're basically 60, all the dinosaurs were wiped out and whatever, except for the crocodile that we know about that we know about. That's right.

And they're just, they're pure. All that, all the instinct is to just kill anything that basically comes across it. And you see the heads in the water. So if a meat, one, the one who was at this particular spot, the boat launching ramp,

the head was a metre long. But that means that it's five times the length of the head. So this croc was five, six metres long. Yeah, yeah. Right. And so every week we take this boat out and you'd have to take the boat out waist deep into the water to launch it,

to get it going and get it set up. And I'll be standing waist deep in the water with a mate of mine who was there. He's a great, great guy, Andrew. I think he listens to the show. Hello, Andrew. Great bloke. And, like, shitting myself every week, because you never get used to that. Like, it's fine.

It's fine. Like, it's not fine. I can literally see a crocodile, and these things can swim like you fucking could not believe that. Like you see one, it goes down to the water. It could be on you in like three seconds. They're ridiculous. I fucking hate crocodiles.

Wow. In addition to that, that's your vendetta. Crocodiles. I just hate it. And they spook me right out. But they're like, I'm like, why do you swim in here? Like, like the local guys are like, it's fine to go. What's your trick?

And they go, you know what you do? Whenever you feel like there's a crocodile, you get out of the water. Like, that's ridiculous. That's not anything. You're not magic. Don't tell me this. That's nonsense. So yeah, hate Australian animals.

Right. Yeah, that's the point. Yeah. We're trying to make here. So there you go. Yeah. That's the show for this week. I love it.

So anything that you want to plug? Nah. Comedy Festival's still going. Sure. Go see some shows're trying to make here. So there you go. Yeah. That's the show for this week, Mason. I love it. So anything that you want to plug? Nah. Comedy Festival's still going. Sure. Go see some shows if you're in Melbourne. Any you would recommend? No, they're all pretty good. Just all of them.

Just take a punt. Sure. Absolutely. Well, I'm going to be seeing some shows, Mason. You know that. Yes. You know that. Next week, Mason, we will discuss in depth Captain America, The Winter Soldier.

I'm actually seeing it tonight. It's on the Sunday. I'm very excited. discuss in depth Captain America, the Winter Soldier. I'm actually seeing it tonight. It's on the Sunday. I'm very excited. And then from there, we'll do a spoiler free half and a spoiler half.

Yeah. Not in that order. Yep. So, yeah. Please come back and check that out. Excellent. It's going to be great. Or don't.

You're going to listen to that? I'll wait for Captain America. Yeah. When are you seeing it? Well, when it comes out. You're a real dickhead, Mason. I know. I'm busy, man. I paid 50 bucks for this ticket.

I know you did. It's ridiculous. Because they're like, you get a free this or that. I'm busy, man. I paid 50 bucks for this ticket. I know you did. It's ridiculous. Because they're like, you get a free this or that. I'm like, I don't want that. I don't want that. You could have just given me for 20 bucks. I don't want your weird plushie in your poster. Oh, you get a plushie?

Yeah. Captain America plushie? You can't have it. Winter Soldier plushie. Now that you want it, I want it. Yeah. Is it a Winter Soldier plushie? No.

Oh. I don't want it then. You can have it. No, you can have it. I don't want it. I don't want it. Okay, I'll take it. No. Oh. Oh, shout outs. I don't want it then you can have it no you can have it I don't want it I can't take it no

oh oh shoutouts not shoutouts but all the contact details and such oh yeah shit thanks to Gabriel Bruton for the thing

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I'm interacting with people I noticed that feels real good I'd forgotten what that was like interacting with people in life do you love it or is it a burden

no it's fun. Cool. Excellent. Yeah, shoot us an email for whatever. Or if you want to check out the band camp thing, please do. Spider-Man one's coming up as well soon, Mason. Our Spider-Man commentary track. I cannot wait.

I can wait. Let's do it now. I'm so hungover. All right. See you guys. Bye. As women, our life stages come with unique risk factors, like when our estrogen levels drop during menopause,

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