The Weekly Planet - 29 Marvel Movies We Want To See

Episode Date: April 14, 2014

This week James and Mason discuss some Marvel story arcs we want to see adapted into film.Also we look at The Sinister Six movie, He-man's return a new Transformers trilogy and we clarify the dis...appearence of the Mr Sunday Movies youtube channel! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome back everyone to another episode of the Weekly Planet, official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com. My name is James, junior editor at that website. With me as always is my co-host, Nick Maso Mason. Hello friends and listeners. What a day it's been for us. Yeah. We're real hungover, both of us. We are. Nick Maso Mason and you who carries it. Okay. And I'm mostly normal and I'm coasting through but now I'm going to really coast through this one. Okay, okay. Well, we should get straight into it. Before we do, Mason,
Starting point is 00:00:49 I just want to clarify something with my YouTube account. Yep. As you're aware, I woke up this morning super hungover and a few people have sent me messages like,
Starting point is 00:00:57 Hey, a little bit fragile. Hey, your YouTube account has been taken down. I'm like, Oh, it's way too early and I'm too high to deal with this for all I'm sure
Starting point is 00:01:06 you were like oh just let YouTube have it whatever but what if things happen I mean unless it's up by now
Starting point is 00:01:12 it might very well be by the time this goes out but let's check every 30 seconds okay there'll be a 30 second pause during
Starting point is 00:01:18 every 30 seconds during this episode there'll be a brief silence in fact it'll be more like every 15 seconds because I'm going to check as well
Starting point is 00:01:24 absolutely yeah yeah that'll work great but uh i think it's something to do with i've made a captain america easter egg video which has done very well it's got like something like 50 something thousand now to clarify that's you pointing out all the easter eggs yes quotation marks the secret funny that's right not you making some sort of captain america easter egg because easter is coming that's right yeah That was going to be my next video. Yeah. But now I can't because I've been screwed. But basically, towards the end of that video,
Starting point is 00:01:49 for anyone who's seen it, I basically then start naming some things that are clearly not in the movie. Jokes, you might. Yeah, jokes, exactly. And some people did not agree with that, I think. And I think what's happened is they've flagged the video as inappropriate or whatever.
Starting point is 00:02:03 Because it said scams and spam yeah that's right but you did attempt to sell some like like male invigorating you know kind of
Starting point is 00:02:13 I did chemicals there supplements supplements sure male enhancement supplements yeah that's right so that's been
Starting point is 00:02:19 that's been all taken down so hopefully it'll come back up soon because I've filed an appeal or whatever but there's a good chance even if it does come up
Starting point is 00:02:26 all my stuff's white right so you know you still have them right yeah I've got them all but you know I cannot be bothered starting another YouTube account
Starting point is 00:02:34 to be honest but you know I guess I might have to but you know the most annoying thing was I was really on a roll this week I hit 10,000 subscribers congratulations
Starting point is 00:02:42 thank you very much wow I mean there's no evidence of that now no i got way to lie to us i got uh 600 subscribers just this week massive like it was like the biggest jump i've ever had and then crashed i'll be brought down well but hey it is what it is this is like the global financial crisis of this podcast in many ways it is yeah yeah yeah hopefully we can get bailed out yeah that's right what i was thinking though if it's not back and i guess if people want to help they could probably twitter at youtube because you should have a twitter account right it's probably at youtube yeah so do you want to like the guy who got in really early and just got at youtube
Starting point is 00:03:18 because he's like this doesn't be fun what's a fun thing that you at youtube and he's going to get thousands of angry tweets that's it exactly five angry tweets five angry tweets yeah two of which are from us well two from me none from you
Starting point is 00:03:29 yeah I got no stake in this so yeah I guess if you want to reach out to Twitter and be like oh YouTube on Twitter what's the deal with this you can
Starting point is 00:03:36 but check if it's up first if you do that or if you flagged it as inappropriate email it to us tell us why because I would be very interested to know
Starting point is 00:03:43 yeah yeah sure but hey so there you go that's the news for this week Mason wait is there any other news oh there's a lot of news oh great I love news
Starting point is 00:03:49 that's right I'm really hung over so you know it's gonna be a rough one yeah it is sure alright I want to talk
Starting point is 00:03:56 Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. though Mason my voice has recovered it was touch and go for a second I know I thought this was really good I don't know what was gonna happen
Starting point is 00:04:03 I guess you'd write everything down then I'd read it out. We'd do it like that. Stephen Hawking voice box. Oh, yeah. Didn't even think of that. You think of everything.
Starting point is 00:04:10 I do. Yeah. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. this week, though, Mason. You obviously did not watch it. I did not watch it. Well, I've got to say, and I'm not the only one who's been saying this, what an amazing episode of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Are people saying that?
Starting point is 00:04:21 People are saying that. Are you saying that? I'm saying that also. Amazing. Amazing. By comparison to other episodes of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. or comparison to something that is good? of shield are people saying that people are saying that are you saying i'm saying that also amazing amazing by comparison to other episodes of agents of shield or comparison to something that is good both wow okay but maybe it's just that it hasn't been a great show this has really been uh you know probably a defining moment this is the fantastic four two series now i am going to spoil this do you mind if i spoil it no go ahead how much time do you need to spoil it two minutes yeah sure
Starting point is 00:04:44 skip ahead two minutes guys if you don't want to be yeah. Do you mind if I spoil it? No, go ahead. How much time do you need to spoil it? Two minutes? Yeah, sure. Skip ahead two minutes, guys, if you don't want to be spoiled. So basically what happened is it's the follow-up to the Hydra twist in Captain America 2. Spoiler for that as well, I guess. Yeah, maybe... Yeah. Let's go back. No, it's fine. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:58 So yeah, and basically it turns out that there was a traitor on the team the whole time. Was it Fitz or Simmons? Do you want to have... It's actually Jake Chisel. Is it really? Yeah, yeah. Huh. And they're going to replace him, it looks like, with another guy who's like a black
Starting point is 00:05:13 version of Jake Chisel. Huh. So, you know. Do you think he knew that was coming? Or do you think he was surprised? P.S. you're fired. Although, does he die in the episode? Is he dead now?
Starting point is 00:05:23 And they don't know that he's there because Bill Paxton who was in it yeah it's said that he's the TV version of Robert Redford that's right exactly they say that he's
Starting point is 00:05:34 it's a really good way to put it that he's the you know the guy who's behind everything okay you know they had a villain for this
Starting point is 00:05:40 whole season great Clairvoyant that was the one oh I see right yeah yeah and because Jake Chisel was his protege
Starting point is 00:05:46 but I think it's going to turn out that maybe Jake Chisel comes good before he dies he's probably been mind controlled sure we've all been
Starting point is 00:05:52 mind controlled from time to time it's not uncommon we were mind controlled to drink all that alcohol last night that's right so I think
Starting point is 00:05:58 and look I have actually been saying I'm glad I've been saying this after the past few weeks I'm going like you know what it's getting a little
Starting point is 00:06:03 bit better so I'm glad you know that what it's getting a little bit better. I'm so glad you know that. Okay I understand that. That's fine. Yeah. Are we seeing any
Starting point is 00:06:10 more superheroes or villains in the show? Mason come on baby steps. Let's not introduce any original Marvel content to the series. Let's have them just
Starting point is 00:06:19 chase artifacts still. Are they still chasing artifacts? I don't know what they're chasing. I think they're going to be a bit of artifact chasing this
Starting point is 00:06:24 week so yeah. I think if you've gone be a bit of artifact chasing this week. So, yeah. I think if you've gone out, maybe jump back on board just for that episode. Okay. And the one after and see what happens. Has Sif made an appearance yet? Yes. That was all right. That was an all right episode.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Great. They brought in our Lorelei. Did she do any action-y stuff? Yep. Or did she just sift around? Sift around. Did she give someone Sif, at least? She did.
Starting point is 00:06:42 Which is her special move. Yes. Great. No, that was not a bad episode either so yeah you know I think it might be coming into its own
Starting point is 00:06:50 fine let's give it another chance alright I'm back on board alright then well look Mason speaking of giving things another chance
Starting point is 00:06:55 yes is that an actual legitimate link or are you just gonna well let's see it's tenuous I hope nobody notices
Starting point is 00:07:00 it's tenuous at best okay but the amazing Spider-Man 2 it's out this week in a lot of regions of the world, including Australia. Yep. I'm actually going to see it tomorrow. I've got an advanced screening, but I can only get one.
Starting point is 00:07:10 And if one of us had to do it, well, you know, I'm doing it. I can't retain any knowledge or memories, so it's probably best that you do it. So, yeah. That being said, if my YouTube account's up, I'll put that review up. If not, I guess I'll just watch it for my own personal enjoyment. But... They could be bothered. Because that's it. If not, I guess I'll just watch it for my own personal enjoyment. But... They could be bothered. Because that's it.
Starting point is 00:07:27 The reviews at the moment are mixed for this. Mixed to positive, I should say. But leading on from that... Give me a quote. Give me a quote. A mixed to positive quote. It's not bad. I enjoyed a spectacle.
Starting point is 00:07:39 A lot of villains. Peter Parker. What a guy. And that's Stanley's review? Yes. Great. I think I'm in this one so yeah
Starting point is 00:07:48 basically though spinning off from that we're getting the Venom and Sinister 6 movies and they're going to be coming before Spider-Man 4 which I think was
Starting point is 00:07:55 originally due out 2018 something like that which wasn't going to have Mark Webber's director and Andrew Garfield is not signed on
Starting point is 00:08:02 or Tobey Maguire neither of them are signed on. Huh, there you go. I'd love it if they just made a Spider-Man 4 to the Sam Raimi universe. Just jump back to that. Just jump back, that would be fantastic.
Starting point is 00:08:12 But, uh, so, uh, yeah. Or they crossed over. Ah, you know what? I saw an article on that. There's a guy on comicbookmovie.com who's named Psycho Jackie or something like that. He writes these insane articles. Is it Jackie O'Haley?
Starting point is 00:08:24 That's him, yeah. Great. I can't remember his actual name on the thing, but he's very well known in the comic book movie community. But he just writes these weird crossover kind of movies that he wants to see and ideas and like these crazy theories for movies and all that. And they're great.
Starting point is 00:08:38 He's really, really good. But one of them he said he wants to see the two Spider-Man universes combined. And I would absolutely want to see that. Garfield going against mcguire yep head to head head to head yeah mopey versus slightly less mopey flat hair versus big hair jameson versus jameson scuffle is there a jameson in no i don't think i'll get to it i don't think there is in the second one yeah they'll get there yeah it's hard to recast though it's like the Joker isn't it yeah once you've found perfection yeah
Starting point is 00:09:06 that's it but anyway maybe he could be the one constant in both universes oh yeah he's the dimensional crux like they touch him at the same time
Starting point is 00:09:13 and then they're pulled into it yeah exactly the same dimension yes basically yeah Venom and Sinister Six movies they've been confirmed as coming the Sinister Six movie though
Starting point is 00:09:23 is going to be directed they say by Drew Goddard and he did The Cabin in the Woods. You familiar with that movie?
Starting point is 00:09:27 Yes. Okay. He also wrote Cloverfield I think or was one of the writers on Cloverfield which was a movie. It sure was.
Starting point is 00:09:33 Yeah. I enjoyed Cloverfield. I'm okay with it. Remember people thought that was a Voltron movie? They're like it's a Voltron movie because
Starting point is 00:09:39 there's a Voltron toy on the shelf. It's like if there's a Voltron toy on the shelf that would be weird that it would be a Voltron movie. It would be very
Starting point is 00:09:44 odd wouldn't it? Yeah exactly. So yeah. It's a Voltron toy on the shelf that would be weird that it would be a Voltron movie it would be very odd wouldn't it yeah exactly so yeah it's a Voltron universe where Voltron is both fictional and real yeah that's it so um
Starting point is 00:09:52 yeah but I think he's a good choice have you seen The Cabin in the Woods yes I really enjoyed that you know what though not everybody
Starting point is 00:09:58 is on board with that I showed a friend of mine who I thought would really enjoy it and he's like it's really cliche you just showed him the DVD card though
Starting point is 00:10:03 yeah I was like what do you think of this look at this you can rest anything you want on it look I'm resting a coffee cup on it enjoyed it. And he's like, it's really cliche. You just showed him the DVD card though. Look at this! You can rest anything you want on it. Look, I'm resting a coffee cup on it. He was not impressed. But he was like, yeah, you know what, it was a bit cliched and it took a weird turn or whatever. I'm like, but that's
Starting point is 00:10:16 the point. Yeah, it had cliched elements to draw you away from the fact that it was then going to defy all the genres of that. Exactly. Yeah, all the genres of that. Exactly. Yeah, all the conventions of that genre. Like, spoiler alert, he enjoyed the bit where Chris Hemsworth jumped into a force field and plummeted to his death. But that was the only bit that he enjoyed.
Starting point is 00:10:33 Right. And I was like, I don't know. So that's why I think that movie didn't do well. Was your friend Liam Hemsworth? That's right. Do you think it was some sort of familial dispute? And he was like, well, I enjoyed the part where my brother died. So yeah, great choice though though, for Citizen Six. But Andrew Garfield, you're familiar with Andrew Garfield?
Starting point is 00:10:48 Yes. The rich man's Tobey Maguire, they say. Oh, sure. He said in an interview that they've kind of mapped it out like the Avengers with villains. I don't know what that means. No, I think it's just... No, if they have mapped it out like that, it'd just be a case of... No, it'd just be we grab a couple from the Spider-Man films.
Starting point is 00:11:06 Yeah. And then they come together like an unlikely motley crew. Sure. And they pull off a thing. Yeah, and they pull off a thing. Yeah, exactly. I'm sure there's redemption involved, though. Nah.
Starting point is 00:11:16 You don't think so? I don't want redemption. That's what's going to happen, though. Because otherwise people aren't going to be on board with watching six villains, like, I don't know, go into the New York subway and, like, pumpkin bomb oh yeah good point people are like that has to be redeeming elements to it i always find that the spider-man villains largely are kind of they're more they're more fun yeah like they they're more i always see i i guess i always see them as the kind of like
Starting point is 00:11:40 80s 90s villains yeah where they don't there was a there was a clear delineation i think at a certain point villains started like murdering the hero's girlfriend and stuffing them in fridges and stuff like that but before that it was just like crazy jewel heists all the time you know like the the shocker is going yeah the shock is always stealing doing a crazy jewel heist and whatever yeah um and that that's i guess how I picture all the Spider-Man villains still there was a there was a a story like a while ago
Starting point is 00:12:08 a few years ago called Secret War ah I want to talk about that later but yeah okay yeah well basically the S.H.I.E.L.D. accountants
Starting point is 00:12:14 had a look look at all the villains and went okay well here's your here's a B-list villain like a D-list villain like Killer Shrike yeah
Starting point is 00:12:21 who's got a battle suit that enables him to defy gravity and shoot lasers out of his hands and it gives him superhuman strength or whatever
Starting point is 00:12:27 that would have cost him millions of dollars and then he just goes and robs banks and he gets like 20 grand when he robs a bank why did he do that? okay
Starting point is 00:12:35 and then they realise well somebody else is funding all these villains so it must be terrorism oh okay so you know that's cool yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:12:44 and so they and it turned out spoiler alert it was dr dude it was latveria that makes sense yeah exactly he's a real prick that he's a real prick what's that spider-man comic where he makes spider-man steal a jewel that's one that's my favorite that's what do you want to you know what let's talk about that later let's talk about that later okay yeah yeah we will come back to that because i remember you telling me that and going that is amazing and i still haven't read it but so yeah I guess that's okay that
Starting point is 00:13:06 they're making this movie yeah so anyway I feel that's yeah I like an 80s 90s villain just having fun making a crazy duel heist
Starting point is 00:13:13 the flash villains the rogues they're all kind of they're crazy duel heists as well did you say rogues or rose rogues
Starting point is 00:13:21 so I was about to go weather wizard every rose has its thorns yeah so like weather wizard and like the top and Rogues or Rose? Rogues. Ah. So. I was about to go. Weather Wizard. Every rose has its thorn. Yeah. So like Weather Wizard and like The Top and you know Mirror Master. Mark Hamill. All these guys.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Yeah. All these silly. All these silly ones. Yeah. The Trickster. He's got a trickster. The Trickster. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Yeah. He does have a lot of silly villains. Yeah. I guess that'll be more fun. Yeah. Exactly. I want a fun Sinister Six film. Sure.
Starting point is 00:13:43 Ocean's Eleven style. Yeah. Yeah. Well look I think with a director like Drew Goddard behind it you might fun Sinister Six film. Sure. Ocean's Eleven style. Yeah, yeah. Well, look, I think with a director like Drew Goddard behind it, you might very well get that, Mason.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Better. I'm watching you, Goddard. Now, Jeff Wadlow, he directed Kick-Ass 2, which you thought was okay. Thumbs down. Okay. And he's said to be
Starting point is 00:14:00 directing the X-Force movie when they get around to making that. Okay, cool. It's said that he's rumoured to be on board to write and direct the He-Force movie when they get around to making that. Okay, cool. It's said that he's rumoured to be on board to write and direct the He-Man movie.
Starting point is 00:14:08 Hello. Yeah. What do you think of that? Yes. Sure. I don't know. Again, it's been a long time since I've seen
Starting point is 00:14:16 the last Master of the Universe film. What a movie. But that's got to be... It'd have to be something special to defeat that. Yeah, well, look, that movie came out in 1987.
Starting point is 00:14:26 Actually, my video, which I made for this week, which I cannot put online. Yep. I talk about this. Now put it on metacafe.com. That's not a bad idea. Put it on Vimeo. Make it HD.
Starting point is 00:14:37 Ah, super crisp. It's for dickheads, though. Just have a lot of real attractive young people running through a field of flowers in HD. just real and i have some indie music behind it get jose gonzalez to put some to put some acoustic you know some some poignant acoustic guitar behind it'll be really great i think you found a new direction for my creative outlet i think you've done it there twee that's you it's you mate so yeah like that movie which came out in 87 that was one of the first kind of action movies that I saw
Starting point is 00:15:05 because we had a copy of it that I used to watch in the 90s again and again first of all Skeletor from that played by Frank Langella
Starting point is 00:15:13 who's in Robot and Frank and he's in Perry White and Superman Returns he's Skeletor yeah but that was like the first villain
Starting point is 00:15:21 that I ever saw which like truly terrified me this horrible horrific man. And I just remember it being really funny and action-packed and whatever. Because I loved He-Man at the time. Do you think it still is?
Starting point is 00:15:32 No, not at all. No, absolutely. Don't go back. It's not good at all. Don't do it. But that was a really formative move for me. Because even then when I saw Darth Vader, what was that? Don't know.
Starting point is 00:15:41 You just did a weird twitch. Are you okay? Yeah. Okay. It's been a long night. I'm sure it has. But yeah, even when I saw Darth Vader, I was like, he's nowhere nearly as terrifying as a live action skeleton. Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:15:53 So, you know. But anyway, yeah, this movie though is going to not make the same mistakes as the last one where they're not going to bring them into the real world. Right. They're going to keep it in a turn out. Okay, cool. Which is the way you should do it. Yes.
Starting point is 00:16:04 If you had to cast He-Man and you couldn't pick Chris Hemsworth who would you pick as He-Man ah The Rock
Starting point is 00:16:12 in a weird blonde Bob wig yes absolutely ah I don't know who's left what about Jason
Starting point is 00:16:18 Mimola ok he might look good as a blonde um Channing Tatum yeah yeah not a worker I guess is he too brick-headed?
Starting point is 00:16:26 Isn't He-Man very brick-headed? He's very brick-headed. Okay, excellent choice, Lee. Good. So yeah, there you go. Here's some more exciting news. I'm ready. Sequel news.
Starting point is 00:16:34 Did you see the Karate Kid remake with Willow Smith? No, that was the next Karate Kid. Okay, then no. I didn't. You didn't see the Willow Smith remake? Nope. Jaden Smith remake? Jaden Smith remake, yes.
Starting point is 00:16:43 Remember what it was? That's getting a sequel with Jaden Smith. He's back. In pog form. No, I don't know. No, I'm not going to say that. Why would I say it? Sweet Simpsons reference.
Starting point is 00:16:53 Yeah, I've got no interest in that. You know what? That first movie is not a good movie. Make no mistake. But Jackie Chan in that movie puts in an amazing performance. I think one of his all-time best. There's a scene where he gets real emotional and he breaks down and he cries and he's really good in it
Starting point is 00:17:06 but there's also another scene where he beats up 20 kids and you can find it on YouTube. Go and check it out. Excellent. So he gets a decently choreographed fight sequence
Starting point is 00:17:17 in that. He's beating up children. Yes, that's right. It's really, really good but that's not a good movie and I think what they're trying to do is because After Earth tanked badly. We haven't seen that have we? It's probably why it tanked. Yes, that's not a good movie and i think what they're trying to do is because after earth tanked yep badly we haven't seen that have we um i think probably why tanked yes that's right
Starting point is 00:17:30 because we see a movie on average like 27 million times each that's it yeah um uh i think this is the studio's way to kind of like try and make him a star a legitimate star uh-huh by bringing him back to an established franchise with a semi successful movie to a character that they know worked for him right but he's
Starting point is 00:17:49 little Jaden Smith with braids or whatever looks very different than 17 year old Jaden Smith smug face
Starting point is 00:17:58 saying dumb things on Twitter Jaden Smith right have you read any of Jaden Smith's Twitters I see a highlight
Starting point is 00:18:03 every once in a while I mean I know he's 17 but shut the fuck up highlight every once in a while. I mean, I know he's 17, but shut the fuck up. Like, he's just a lunatic. Right. And maybe the bigwigs at Hollywood
Starting point is 00:18:11 have got to come after me, Mason. But my YouTube channel's down. What are they going to do? What else can they take from me? Exactly. But you know what? I shouldn't pay out of it because he's just a kid, really.
Starting point is 00:18:21 If I had my mom when I was 17, my God, you knew me when I was 17. I was not great, was I? You were a monster. All right. I would have liked to see you beat up by Jackie Chan when you were 17. I'll tell you what.
Starting point is 00:18:34 Michael Bay has confirmed that Transformers 4 is the start of a new trilogy. He may not direct the entire trilogy, but he probably will because he's an egotistical prick. So, yeah. I mean, I think that was already kind of known but now it's confirmed. Okay. What do you think? Kids got movies
Starting point is 00:18:49 they gotta see. Sure. I think there's a bug in front of me. That was really loud. Was that satisfying? I don't think I got it. Well.
Starting point is 00:18:57 He'll be back and I'll be ready. So what were you saying? Kids gotta see movies. Sure. Kids movies, you know. Yeah. With the transforming and that.
Starting point is 00:19:04 That's it Love a good transformation It is what it is Yeah it is It's fine Yeah who cares Star Wars Mason Is going to start shooting
Starting point is 00:19:13 Soon Or has started shooting Who cares But They're gonna do A four week shoot In Abu Dhabi Which I assume
Starting point is 00:19:20 Is gonna be Tatooine Because apparently They're rebuilding I'm assuming They're gonna use The old Sex and the City 2 sets, right? That's what's going to happen? That movie is so offensive.
Starting point is 00:19:29 I don't want to get into it. No, don't get into it again. But basically, this is another thing I put on my video, which I'm going to talk about now. Do we need to see... You know what you're going to have to do from this point is just narrate what is in each of your videos. That's right. Because you can't show them. No, I can't. You can't just go's right. Because you can't show them. No, you can't.
Starting point is 00:19:45 You can't just go to them, so you're going to have to say, okay, and then I put a funny picture of Robert Downey Jr., but he's got a chicken on his head. You know? And it could be for the blind as well. Great.
Starting point is 00:19:56 Yeah. You're a hero. Yeah, I am. Don't you think that Tatooine's a bit played out now? It's in every movie except Empire Strikes Back. And why do people keep going back to this planet? Plus, everybody who's ever been there is dead or left. That's true, or eaten by a Sarlacc monster man.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Yes, that's right. I don't know, I guess it's a nice... Throwback? Yeah, it's a throwback. It's a nice anchor to the series. You can always recognise that planet I guess
Starting point is 00:20:26 sure yeah yeah I think Luke goes back and lives in Obi-Wan's hut for a bit or Matt that might be in the Shadows of the Empire
Starting point is 00:20:32 book but they're always going back in the expanded universe for whatever contrived reason but you know it's got a cool
Starting point is 00:20:38 little space bar maybe somebody could blow it up yeah sure that would be you know just clean house just done so yeah just done
Starting point is 00:20:46 so yeah I guess that's okay or not did we get the Mos Eisley spaceport in Phantom Menace or any of those other I think we got bits and pieces of it
Starting point is 00:20:52 okay they go there they go there in Phantom Menace that's Mos Eisley would you watch a heist movie where all the guys
Starting point is 00:21:00 they meet in the Mos Eisley spaceport the Sinister Six yeah Sinister Six style and they go style and they go out and they do a heist absolutely they do a death star heist during the events of new hope i want to see movies set within that time period yeah absolutely because there are like side calls and stuff yeah yeah the splinter of the mind's eye happened in between yep and you hope and
Starting point is 00:21:21 empire strange back maybe yep i think that i think you're right. My favourite Star Wars book, and you know I've read them all. Yeah, I love them. Shadows of the Empire is set between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Right. That book in the mid-90s
Starting point is 00:21:34 came out to massive fanfare. That was kind of like, they say, the testing ground to see whether new Star Wars films were viable. Right, yeah. They released a soundtrack for it and they introduced new villains and whatever. Han Solo was frozen
Starting point is 00:21:46 they introduced a guy called Dash Render who is exactly like Han Solo and conveniently killed at the end of the film but I think he comes back and not film in the book
Starting point is 00:21:54 I think he comes back at some point or whatever so I would love to see a Shadows of the Empire movie you couldn't do it because Luke's heavily featured in it
Starting point is 00:22:02 and whatever I think my Death Star heist idea is fantastic now that I've just thought about it I don't want to say my idea has gone bad that is a great idea but I mean
Starting point is 00:22:09 the Death Star's a big place sure all sorts of stuff could have been happening many things maybe that's already happened maybe there's already a there might be
Starting point is 00:22:16 a novel or whatever expanded universe a novella a graphic novel correct yeah yeah sure alright if not I've got dibs on it
Starting point is 00:22:22 you've got dibs on that particular storyline of the Star Wars universe yeah no matter who does it I get dibs on it you've got dibs on that particular storyline of the Star Wars universe yeah no matter who does it I get some royalties from that okay done great yeah I like that
Starting point is 00:22:30 you're a good guy Mason thank you you're alright alright Mason that's pretty much the news for this week love it oh so Guy Ritchie's doing
Starting point is 00:22:37 a King Arthur reboot thing who cares yep okay oh wait do you think it'll have attitude do you think it'll be Plunkett and McClane style
Starting point is 00:22:44 oh I hope so. Where it's back in the old timey times, but everybody's got, like, 90s bobber swagger kind of thing. Everybody's headbutting everybody else. Oh, yeah. Yep, nice. Oh, I hope so. But did you see the King Arthur 2004 one with Clive Owen? No.
Starting point is 00:23:01 Yeah. It wasn't very good. Great. It was one of the ones who tried to stay really true to the actual story. Was Keira Knightley in that one? Keira Knightley. I didn't see it. And it was mostly set in a weird depressing swamp world. Crazy. And it just wasn't good.
Starting point is 00:23:14 It wasn't good. But okay, yeah. Listen, Mason, this week on Tuesday we're going to be recording our The Amazing Spider-Man commentary track for Reels. So by Tuesday, hopefully, or Tuesday night, I'll hopefully have Tuesday hopefully or Tuesday night I'll hopefully have that upline and I'll hopefully
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Starting point is 00:24:42 Now, Mason, you had some news. Well, it wasn't so much news, but a friend of the show, listener of the show, big booster of the show. Yeah. Ralphie A., who you might know as Ralphie from the show A Cake Boss. Hello, Cake Boss. From the medium of television. Maybe you've heard of it.
Starting point is 00:24:56 He had a suggestion. He's a great guy. Yeah. And he listens to it at the old cake shop, which is fantastic. Yeah. A lot of aggressive Italian guys in that shop. Have you noticed? How do you mean? A lot of aggressive Italian guys in that shop. Have you noticed? How do you mean?
Starting point is 00:25:06 A lot of aggressive Italian guys. I've never noticed that. Okay, right. Should I be saying this? No, it's a smoothly run workplace. Okay, cool. All right, no worries. That's what people want on television, is a really smoothly run, uninteresting workplace.
Starting point is 00:25:19 You know? Maybe that's my racism. That's my racism. That's my prejudice that I put on that. Yes, absolutely. God damn it anyway he tweeted at us and he suggested
Starting point is 00:25:27 and I think this is a great idea and it's something we'll probably talk about in this episode yeah is a Death's Head movie are you familiar with Death's Head you know what
Starting point is 00:25:36 I'm not that familiar with it and I wanted to ask you about it yeah yeah fill me in and it's he's made a recent reappearance in the Marvel Universe okay yeah
Starting point is 00:25:44 and he would fit very well and I agree with Ralphie that he would fit very well at the very least as a cameo appearance in the upcoming Guardians of the Galaxy but I would like to see this also as a standalone movie
Starting point is 00:25:59 Can you talk about the character? Absolutely, well when I was a kid this is basically an excuse for me to talk about him because he's one of my favourite characters. Sure. So whatever. Yeah, when I was a kid, in Australia we got both the American Transformers comic book
Starting point is 00:26:15 and we also got the British Transformers comic book, which sounds horrendous when you think about it. I would never suggest such a thing. What you're thinking right now is like very proper robots who transform into like teapots and like horse-drawn carriages and stuff like that. I was thinking Bitty and the Beast with Transformers. But you're wrong. Basically, the British Transformers comic was weekly.
Starting point is 00:26:38 And so they needed a lot more content. And so they got like British writers and artists to do additional stories. Like the team who do Pad stories, like colour ones. Like the team who do Paddington Bear and whatever, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, the Paddington Bear guys, sure. Absolutely. The Keeping Up Appearances team, sure. What's the one, that pirate with the mouth?
Starting point is 00:26:56 Captain Pugwash? Captain Pugwash. Pugwash. Yeah, that's them. Anyway, so the Marvel UK introduced into the Transformers UK series this character called Death's Head, who was a bounty, like a giant robot bounty hunter, or freelance peacekeeping agent, as he called it. Gotcha.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Who was essentially variously hired to assassinate various Decepticons and Autobots. Like, initially he was hired to kill Galvatron. Yeah. And then later the Decepticons rehired him to kill Rodimus Prime. Right. But essentially, as a character, he's been around for several decades now, and he is essentially tangled with everybody in the Marvel Universe. Like, he attempted to kill Galvatron.
Starting point is 00:27:43 Yeah. Didn't work out so much. He traveled through time for a little bit. He encountered the 1980 Galvatron. Yeah. Didn't work out so much. He travelled through time for a little bit. He encountered the 1980s Transformers. He blew up Bumblebee, who was then resurrected as a gold bug. Right. He came back to the future. Unrelated.
Starting point is 00:27:57 He attempted to destroy Rodimus Prime. Didn't work out so much. He sort of tangled with all those guys. He, in flying through space and time in his time travel vehicle, he ran into the Doctor, the seventh Doctor. The seventh Doctor? Yeah. Which one was he? Sylvester McCoy. Salary? Yes. No, that was five. Straw Hat?
Starting point is 00:28:14 Yes. Gotcha. Yeah. Who then shrunk him down to human size. Right. He was then sent further into the future. He fought these guys called Dragon's Claws who destroyed him. He was put back together again. Can I stop you for a sec? Is this all off the top of your head? Yes.
Starting point is 00:28:27 He's gone into the... He goes into the past again. He... Let's see. He fought She-Hulk. Right. He fought... He joined the Time Variance Authority, who are like the Marvel Time Police.
Starting point is 00:28:36 He fought the Fantastic Four. He... Oh, gosh. Let me think. He's fought S.W.O.R.D., who are like an extraterrestrial... I know S.W.O.R.D., yeah, yeah. Yeah, who like... They're like a spin-off of S.H.I.E.L.D. They're like Space Shield, yeah. They me think. He's fought Sword, who are like an extraterrestrial. I know Sword, yeah, yeah. Yeah, who like, they're like a spin-off of S.H.I.E.L.D. They're like Space S.H.I.E.L.D., yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:48 They're like Space S.H.I.E.L.D. Yeah, yeah. Man, who else? Well, you know what, though? Yes. Tying into this, Michael Bay said there's a player in Transformers 4 who drops in and has his own agenda, and as soon as he does that, he's going to leave. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:29:00 Now that I've heard this, that sounds like it could very well be him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the ownership of Death's Head's a little bit muddy. Okay. Because technically if something appears in like a Transformers comic book, it's owned by Hasbro. Oh, okay. But actually, if you want to know anything about Death's Head,
Starting point is 00:29:17 just go to Google Image Search and Google Death's Head High Noon Texts, which is his first appearance, which is like a single page thing that appeared in a lot of Marvel UK comic books. And it's sort of a good introduction of this character. He's a real prick, basically. He's a total prick. So what actually is he? He's an android. He's an android, okay, yeah. Who was built with a combination of technology and magic.
Starting point is 00:29:42 That's my favourite. Yeah, Gosh. And actually, yeah. So he's recently appeared again in the Marvel Universe. He was hired to engage in gladiatorial combat with Iron Man. Sure. Who had recently made a journey into space. Was that when he joined the Guardians of the Galaxy team?
Starting point is 00:29:58 That was just before that. Just before that. Okay. Yeah. So he's made an enemy of everybody in the universe, essentially. He sounds like the most amazing character that's ever been created i know and it's weird it's so few yeah it's i'm glad he's coming back yeah yeah well that sounds like he's kind of wasted in a michael bay transformers movie if he is kind of wasted because he'll also and again this is this sort of leads
Starting point is 00:30:17 into what we're going to talk about this week because i would love to see that played out live action or in cgi or animation or whatever but it's far too insane and far-reaching to make happen. You're right. He's got to appear somewhere, but that's going to be a lot of work. Absolutely. That's a great suggestion from Ralph. Absolutely. What a great bloke.
Starting point is 00:30:35 So yeah, that's obviously a movie that you'd want to see. Yes. I've actually, in preparation for this, listed some comic story arcs or standalone issues or whatever that I'd like to see adapted that we also could talk about. Do you have more than Death's Head? I've got a few more. You've got no more, do you?
Starting point is 00:30:51 I'll think of some. I'll think of some. Give me a little one, mate. Go and then we'll see what happens, eh? So I thought, well, Jack Sheehan, who writes into the show a bit, he's a great guy. We called him,
Starting point is 00:31:01 he wrote as Jack Poison Lip Sheehan last week. I'll also be team, but he fought AIM. He fought A he fought aim essentially there was there was a right i forgot i just remember this there was a there was a i built a robot called minion right it was sort of like a biomechanical robot creature right and he he's his mission was to go around the world killing a variety of like notable figures and absorbing their personalities and their powers and like abe lincoln yeah like abe lincoln He'd kill an Abe Lincoln, whatever. But essentially, he killed Death's Head and attempted to absorb his personality and his skills and whatever.
Starting point is 00:31:33 Yeah. And then Death's Head just took over his body. Okay. And then he became Death's Head 2. And then he just... More mayhem happened. That's great. He's killed a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:31:40 He sounds like Space Deadpool. He's a little bit like Space Deadpool. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's got a very dry sense of humour. Sure. Yeah. And he's a prick.
Starting point is 00:31:49 That's my favourite combination of things. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. But Jack Sheehan, it was Jack Poison Lip Sheehan who wrote in last week. It was called that because I think you suggested
Starting point is 00:31:58 that's the guy who had the lip surgery. And you said maybe they've given him poison lips or whatever. So that's the same guy. But anyway, he emailed in a while back saying, what comic story arcs do you want to see made into films? So this week, I thought,
Starting point is 00:32:10 coming off the back of Captain America and whatever, this week we'll talk exclusively about Marvel comics we want to see made into movies. But we need a rating system, Mason, from the perspective of a lot of these are going to be impossible to make. Absolutely. Like the one you've just mentioned.
Starting point is 00:32:24 So the rating system I've decided is likely or you've screwed us again Hollywood Fantastic So I'd say for that first one You've screwed us again Hollywood So look as I say every week I think if you've got a topic please write in and hopefully
Starting point is 00:32:40 we'll get around to it eventually but do you want me to kick it off? Kick it off mate. This is a pretty standard one which everybody has talked about. It's nowhere near as interesting as the one you just said. Civil War. Yep, okay. For those unfamiliar,
Starting point is 00:32:52 and there'll be mild spoilers for these comics if you haven't read them, so just be aware of that. I feel also a lot of... We've had... We should go from the perspective of a lot of... A lot of, I think, famous comic book story arcs have sort of been filtered into the main Marvel movie universe, but a lot of them just small
Starting point is 00:33:10 elements. Yep. And maybe in a lot of cases, that's the only way we can go. Like, X-Men 2 was based on God Loves, Man Kills, which was quite... There were similar elements. There was kind of a fake Cerebro that could kill everybody in the world. Yeah, yeah. There was a character called Striker
Starting point is 00:33:25 but he was he was Reverend Striker and not General Striker okay yeah yeah little things like that well I guess it's also like they'll never for example do the demon in a bottle
Starting point is 00:33:32 story arc but you see him get super drunk in Iron Man exactly so that's I think in a lot of cases they just go I remember that story can we compress that
Starting point is 00:33:39 into one scene yeah exactly and there it is yeah yeah but basically Civil War is basically where there's a superhero registration act that's put into place,
Starting point is 00:33:47 requiring, because there was a massive accident where some kind of amateur superheroes wiped out this whole kind of town. The New Warriors. The New Warriors, that's right. Like, a massive kind of area, because they went up against, they were filming a reality television thing, and it just, they were completely outclassed, and then this whole thing happened. Due to that, Tony Stark and S.H.I.E.L.D. decide to put in place steps to prevent this from happening again and every superhero has to be registered and their identity needs to
Starting point is 00:34:11 be known, which to a lot of superheroes, they rely on keeping their identity secret so that villains and whatever don't come after their family and et cetera, et cetera. Basically, the Marvel Universe is split in two. You've got Iron Man on one side, who's all for the registration, and Captain America on the other side, who they think is going to be on board with the registration. He's Captain America. Exactly. Everybody knows who Captain America is. And so they thought, well, Steve Rogers, they know who he is.
Starting point is 00:34:38 He's obviously going to be a good front man for this. And he decides to gather up all the superheroes and pit them against each other. The problem with this is, though, doing it, it requires a lot of backstory and a lot of setup and a whole lot of different characters which haven't even been introduced to the universe. I'd like to see a version of this kind of worked into Captain America 3.
Starting point is 00:34:56 Can you imagine, right, Captain America 3, where if you pitted Captain America's crew against Iron Man's crew, that would very well rival the Batman versus Superman kind of thing at this point. You're probably right, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So from that perspective,
Starting point is 00:35:07 but also the same point, it'd be hard to make it in a way that it doesn't seem really contrived just over the period of one movie. Yeah, and also, there aren't that many superheroes. No, not at this point. In the Marvel movie universe.
Starting point is 00:35:20 The thing about Civil War that it worked... If only we had a TV show where they could introduce them weekly. Yeah, I know, right? That'll never happen, though. Let's find some rocks somewhere in Cuba or something that are magic rocks. Yeah, because it works in the comic book
Starting point is 00:35:36 universe because there's so many superheroes. That's right. And in the movie universe, we've got only a few superheroes ultimately, and a lot of them have publicly known identities yeah like we know that iron man is tony stark yeah we know that captain america steve rogers yeah who else has left we know that thor is thor yeah he's just a guy called thor yeah yeah you're i mean hawkeye hawkeye and scarlet witch yeah their identities are in public
Starting point is 00:36:01 now anyway yeah well that's true yeah yeah after the events of you mean Black Widow Black Widow yeah yeah sorry yeah Scarlett Johansson that's exactly it it's also
Starting point is 00:36:09 yeah we know who Scarlett Johansson is Tony Stark I can't imagine the movie version of Tony Stark he's way more light hearted and anti-authority than he is in the comics
Starting point is 00:36:18 he really is yeah he's a very different character a lot of people don't realise that but the comic book Tony Stark is very very different he's very somber and kind of down on himself all the time yeah he's a real dick no he's good i like it but um he wouldn't be pro registration i'd imagine but i guess the way they could work it in is if tony stark's gonna head up the new avengers team in the avengers tower and he maybe
Starting point is 00:36:39 starts up his own shield agency then that's a condition of working for him and that's trying to something he's trying to push on all superheroes because he's always being very open about who he is and people being accountable for their
Starting point is 00:36:51 actions in the movie even also because that's why he turns around his whole life because he's suddenly making amends for the for the weapons of mass destruction
Starting point is 00:36:58 he's made and so everything that he does is kind of a step towards redemption exactly so maybe that will kind of do it. But also, on the other hand,
Starting point is 00:37:06 you've got a whole lot of characters that play a massive part in that story. Sue Storm, Spider-Man. Like, there's a clone robot Thor. Thor, yep. Sure. But most of those, except for the Thor, you couldn't use
Starting point is 00:37:19 because they're owned by other companies. Right. And all those characters play a big part in it because a big part of that story arc is Spider-Man unmasks himself. Yes. Which has now been retconned, because he made a deal with the devil and...
Starting point is 00:37:29 Yeah. I don't know about that. Yeah. But stuff like that you can't do, and that's a big turning point, because Reed Richards also sides with one, sides with Tony Stark, and Sue Storm defects to Captain America's side.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Spider-Man also, after he takes his mask off, he kind of gets conflicted about who he is, and he gets an Iron Man suit that he's... Yeah, I was just about to mention the Iron Man suit. There's a whole bunch of stuff. Which has three, like three spider arms on it. Yeah. Why does it have three? Make it four.
Starting point is 00:37:55 Come on. Maybe his head is an arm. Oh, yeah, good point. That's right. That's a really good point. So, yeah, I mean, from that perspective, you could do a kind of watered-down version of it. And even then, I'd like to see it, but I would say the chances of this being a faithful adaptation is unlikely. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:38:10 I mean, you've screwed us again, Hollywood. You've screwed us again, Hollywood. There we go. Actually, one I'd like to talk about. Sure. I don't know if you remember it, but this is one back from the very late 80s. It was called Acts of Vengeance. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:21 And on the surface of it, it could kind... It could kind of tie into the regular... Maybe it couldn't. It could sort of tie into the movie continuity. Sure. Essentially, what happened is Loki... So that worked so far. You screwed us again, Holland. No, we've got Loki.
Starting point is 00:38:40 Yeah, yeah. Loki attempts to... Loki wants revenge on Thor, and he wants revenge on the Avengers Revengers Revengers, thank you Essentially because well, he hates his brother and also because
Starting point is 00:38:53 Who doesn't? Yeah, and he was also largely responsible for creating the Avengers in the comic book universe and in the movie universe They came together to fight him So essentially what he does is he gathers all the Marvel villains, and he sort of coerces them into switching heroes.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Okay. So the idea being that Magneto will fight Spider-Man, and because Spider-Man's completely unfamiliar with his power set and whatever, Magneto will just crush him. And so essentially Loki breaks open some supervillain prisons and he lets a lot of minor villains escape and just sort of
Starting point is 00:39:29 has them all switch sides and send them against, you know, all the... Whoever. Yeah, whoever, exactly. That sounds amazing. This also, it didn't work out so well
Starting point is 00:39:38 for a lot of reasons. A, because Marvel heroes, you know, they're the best. That's true. But also, it was also a story arc wherein spider-man inadvertently gained the powers of captain universe for a few months right so essentially a whole bunch of villains went after spider-man you know with with the idea that they
Starting point is 00:39:55 were going to crush him yeah but then it turned out spider-man can do anything okay right so he could you know he could you know shoot his webs around a bomb and then turn the webbing into an adamantium box. Right. And then... And that's it. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, so Spider-Man could fly and shoot energy beams and survive in space and all this sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:16 So it was... Posts a zero threat. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it was a super fun storyline. Sure. So elements of that could work. Yeah. You know, we've got Loki
Starting point is 00:40:25 we've got you know the trading villains that whole thing but again we need Spider-Man we need yep
Starting point is 00:40:31 you know what the other problem with that is a lot of the villains that people have there's not a lot of really definitive Marvel villains
Starting point is 00:40:37 that they've introduced into the movies who haven't died that's true yeah like Red Skull I know he's in space or whatever but if you pit Red Skull
Starting point is 00:40:43 against Thor, he's going to get smashed. Yeah, but what if Red Skull's got a lot of Hydra weapons? Good point. Yeah, yeah, that's a really good point. But yeah, I don't think there's enough established villains who are alive that they could use for that as well. But that sounds amazing.
Starting point is 00:40:58 Yeah, yeah. There's also a sequence where Spider-Man punches the Hulk into orbit. So that's pretty fun. It sure is. Yeah. Absolutely. All right, well, so what do you think? Likely all Hollywood something.
Starting point is 00:41:10 Hollywood screwed us again. You've got us, Hollywood. There's also, because I was a big Spider-Man reader at the time, and there was essentially a scene, the opening sort of gambit of Acts of Vengeance was the Trapster, who's a's a i guess sort of more or less a fantastic four villain who just like shoots glue guns and stuff like that and he essentially he he came up to spider-man and gave him a pasting so to speak and then sort of the next issue
Starting point is 00:41:40 spider-man gains incredible powers and just pulps him it's it's pretty it was super fun find that issue if nothing else. Sure, absolutely. My second one again is pretty obvious and I think we may be saying this. The death of Captain America or a variation of that. Now you've gotten in trouble for swallowing that. I've gotten in trouble.
Starting point is 00:41:58 By speculating that maybe Captain America will die at some point in the future. On that same Easter egg video that I put up, I mentioned that some of the Easter eggs in Captain America allude to the death of Captain America. They introduce crossbones, Bucky Barnes is holding the shield at some point who may take over or whatever.
Starting point is 00:42:14 And some of it's very upset that I've potentially spoiled Captain America. By saying a thing that you think might happen. Yeah, exactly. I feel that is what got you in trouble. Yeah, you're probably right. But you know what the thing is though? I didn't pick him as Crossbones in the film. No?
Starting point is 00:42:25 I guess he must... Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. I didn't recognise the name. No, that's fine. Well, yeah, because he's not really known as Brock Rumlow, is he? No. So, you know.
Starting point is 00:42:32 I should have known, though. You should have known. Yeah, yeah. They probably say his name once. Right, okay. So, there's a lot going on there. But, like, the thing about spoiling that comic is, the spoiler is in the name of the comic. Right, exactly.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Do you know what I mean? And it happens very early in the comic as well also people say i think someone else said that i spoiled the fact that crossbones killed captain america but that's not actually how it happens i'm not going to go into how it happens but there's a whole lot of other stuff going on there that i'm not going to get into you can't say anything on the internet man it's a crazy place it's a lot less we're shutting this down right now so yeah but um i think even if you didn't have... The problem with what they've done with bringing back Agent Coulson is
Starting point is 00:43:10 that anybody in the Marvel Universe now, like the comics, can be brought back. And death is not permanent. Right. Even though they destroyed the thing that brought Coulson back and whatever. And they also brought Skye back from the dead in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Okay, so have we definitively determined how Coulson came back yet? I can't remember. It's a head.
Starting point is 00:43:28 They were messing with his head. And there was a drug that they gave him, but they also gave Sky. And then he got better. And maybe it's magic or whatever. Yeah, but see, there's definitely a way. See, they've mishandled that. There's definitely a way you could bring back a character from the dead, but not have him actually come back from the dead.
Starting point is 00:43:44 There's so many options that they've lmd lmd hologram they could have just you know they they could have just spirited away poster but yeah just a poster of them yeah just a oh no he just got stabbed through the wooden dummy wooden dummy but yeah they could have just said we took him away before he died yeah we put him on a respirator then whatever he didn't die we just got him medical attention
Starting point is 00:44:08 really quickly and now he's okay and we just kept it low low key to keep the Avengers on site that's it exactly you're right
Starting point is 00:44:15 they could have absolutely done it like that but I think you could do Death of Captain America without actually killing Captain America if you didn't want to do that
Starting point is 00:44:21 like you said you could incapacitate him in some way and then Bucky has to take over for whatever reason. I think that'd be a variation of that I'd be very happy to see, especially because Chris Evans has three films left, and the guy plays Stan Sebastian, I think his name is. I can't remember.
Starting point is 00:44:37 I always get his name mixed up with... Sebastian Shaw? Sebastian Shaw. Yeah. He's got like nine films on his contract, so I think there's a very good chance that that happens. Sorry if I spoiled that seven-year-old comic for anybody. But yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:52 But yeah, so I'd say likely, Hollywood. There you go. We got you. Okay. You know? Yeah. And here's another likely one. What about the Infinity Gauntlet?
Starting point is 00:45:00 Well, I assumed Avengers 2 was going to be Infinity Gauntlet based, right? Yeah, yeah. Because we've seen a lot of elements. We know Thanos exists in the Marvel Universe. He will be in Guardians of the Galaxy. We have seen Infinity Gauntlet. Yes. Do you think they're going to use that?
Starting point is 00:45:14 I think so, definitely. Okay, right. I think that's been the play from the get-go. Do you think that they kind of just threw in a whole bunch of references to Marvel artifacts and stuff like that and just saw what most people were interested in probably yeah I feel that's kind of the way they went
Starting point is 00:45:27 like there was there were other there was like Doctor Strange's like Aya Bagamoto like his that's in
Starting point is 00:45:35 that's also in the treasure room is it yeah I didn't know that yeah it is yeah so
Starting point is 00:45:40 I think they were just like what is the best fan reaction to all this stuff and people went Infinity Gauntlet sure so I think that's pretty much okay I think that were just like, what is the best fan reaction to all this stuff? And people went Infinity Gauntlet. Sure.
Starting point is 00:45:46 So I think that's pretty much... I think that's a lock. Fantastic. Yeah, I agree. I'd say Avengers 3. I mean, and how many gems have we've seen? We've seen the Mind Gem and the Tesseract and the bloody...
Starting point is 00:45:55 The red one from Thor. The red one from Thor, absolutely, yeah. You know, we've seen them all. Yeah, yeah. Look, I'd say that's very, very likely and that's what they're building too. I think what they're doing with Guardians of the Galaxy, and they're slowly introducing elements of space travel and magic or whatever, which all builds toward the Infinity Gauntlet.
Starting point is 00:46:14 Because if you open with the Infinity Gauntlet, that's like watching Green Lantern. You don't want to do that, yeah. It's just nonsense from space and references you don't know, so they've made the right play here. Yeah, yeah yeah definitely yeah yeah if that's where they're going
Starting point is 00:46:26 which I'd say very well they would be going to it Hollywood I've got another one I'm ready I'm ready
Starting point is 00:46:33 a very obvious one okay good might have all very obvious fantastic Old Man Logan is that obvious yeah I think
Starting point is 00:46:40 a lot of people want it no okay I was going to suggest a few other sort of X-Men based ones sure but I think Days of Future people want to... No? Okay, I was going to suggest a few other sort of X-Men based ones. Sure.
Starting point is 00:46:45 But I think Days of Future Past is going to be the end of time travel based X-Men stuff. I agree with you. Exactly. Future Past, Future... I don't think people will want to see... No. It looks good. It looks really good.
Starting point is 00:46:56 Yeah. But I think if you throw in another timeline variation or a possible future, that's just going to confuse people. That's exactly right. But so... Yeah, let's... I made that exact point where basically it's if you're introducing alternative futures and alternative
Starting point is 00:47:10 realities it just messes up the whole universe even if it makes sense people still will be like what is happening you know what i mean but basically um the way the story works if you haven't read it and i recommend picking it up i'd say it's one of my favorite mark miller um runs on something it's a it's a standalone I'd say it's one of my favorite Mark Miller runs on something. It's a standalone thing. Yep. It's however many issues. Geez, I'm doing this justice.
Starting point is 00:47:30 I know. But basically, Wolverine is a very old man. It's in the, about 50 or so years in the future. A lot of the Marvel characters are dead. Right. Villains and heroes. What's basically happened is all the villains have assembled and thought, well, look, each hero has at least ten villains
Starting point is 00:47:52 at any one time in their rogues gallery. So if we all teamed up and organised, we could wipe these guys out quite easily. So you've basically got the mass annihilation of pretty much every major Marvel hero. That was kind of the plot of the other Mark Miller series that I enjoy that was turned into a movie that wasn't very good. Wanted.
Starting point is 00:48:08 Yes, exactly. It is. You're exactly right. And basically, one of the only ones who was left is Wolverine, but he's, due to unforeseen circumstances, is something tragic that happens to him, as it always does. Yeah. He doesn't fight anymore. He's just had a family.
Starting point is 00:48:20 as it always does. Oh, yeah. He doesn't fight anymore. He's just had a family. He lives under the reign of the Hulk's family. Okay. The Hulk has gone crazy through radiation poisoning over the years, and he's got descendants of him who are not as strong as him, but are basically these permanent Hulk men who are just these redneck monsters.
Starting point is 00:48:37 Yeah, right. Who just bail everyone up for money and just deliver severe beatings. His healing factors slow down. He doesn't fight anymore. And he's running out of money. So what he has to do is he has to deliver this super serum with Hawkeye and blind Hawkeye across America to basically start what he thinks is a new Avengers. And so they're going across the wasteland of what's left. And you see the remnants of heroes and villains. And you come across the whole country is divided into sectors.
Starting point is 00:49:04 Like Dr. Doom owns this part and Red Skull owns this part and whatever, whatever. villains and you come across the the whole country is divided into sectors like you know dr doom owns this part and red skull owns this part right and whatever whatever and certain characters take on the mantle of others so like there's a new kingpin but it's not the original kingpin and and whatever it's it's a great buddy kind of it sounds like i was gonna say yeah like a good road trip it's it's one of the best talk it sounds like future post-apocalyptic fear and loathing and lost yes they have do they have fun do they have a little bit of fun they have a little bit of fun
Starting point is 00:49:26 yeah yeah and it basically culminates in this amazing kind of Red Skull Wolverine show when you say they're sending the super soldier serum across America
Starting point is 00:49:33 it's lots of tabs of acid isn't it that's right exactly yeah yeah and then it has another kind of finale after that and it leaves itself open to a sequel
Starting point is 00:49:42 interesting as a comic book because Mark Millar is now tied up in Fox or whatever I'm not sure it's going to happen anytime soon even though he has
Starting point is 00:49:48 spoken about it the problem is of course your two main characters one is owned by Fox which is Wolverine Hawkeye is owned by Marvel right
Starting point is 00:49:56 that's one of the many many things wrong with that Hulk is a major villain in it you can't use him Red Skull is a major villain in him
Starting point is 00:50:03 you can't use him right a whole bunch of like Spider-Man's in it well referenced in it you can't use him. Red Skull's a major villain in him, you can't use him. A whole bunch of, like, Spider-Man's in it, well, referenced in it, you can't use him. He's owned by Sony. Do you think you could, do you think Sony could do it on their own? Do you think you could replace... Well, that's the thing, that's what I've got here. So, maybe you
Starting point is 00:50:18 could replace, maybe it might work if you swap the Hulk out for the Thing, or the Juggernaut, maybe. It's not as interesting. You could replace Hawkeye with Longshot. Sure, yeah. Who is not, you know, he's not, it's a different power set. It's a bit of a Longshot, mate.
Starting point is 00:50:32 Oh! Shut up. I'm trying to help you here with your dumb story you love so much. Trying to make it happen. But yeah, look, I think that they will attempt this at some point yeah but i don't think they should until they can get it all together yeah maybe a reformed bullseye could be oh yeah but no bullseye is owned by marvel now because oh yeah okay never mind so look i'd love to see it but i think if we see it, it's going to be a real watered-down version.
Starting point is 00:51:05 Yeah, okay, yeah. And it's not going to be that good. Yeah, yeah. And also, like you said, alternative future, people are going to be like, what is this? Right, exactly. When does it fit into the universe and blah, blah, blah. And they're going to be like, well, is this the alternate future of the days of future past past? That's right.
Starting point is 00:51:19 Or is it the regular universe or whatever? Similarly, and I was going to talk about this, Hollywood, you've screwed us again. I should stress that. Also, the Age of Ap've screwed us again. I shouldn't stress there. Also, the Age of Apocalypse storyline. Yes. Which- They are doing. Are they really?
Starting point is 00:51:30 They're doing it in 2016. Really? Yes. That's people- Have we not talked about this? I don't think so. Maybe. Potentially.
Starting point is 00:51:37 Sure. Okay. Because we're going to have to, they're going to have to introduce Professor X's son. Yeah. And then they're going to have to create, then they're going to have to have him go back in time and kill, inadvertently kill Professor X. Yes. But is that going to be the days of future past past?
Starting point is 00:51:53 Well, what I think... Is it going to be James McAvoy? I think that's my question. This is the outline of the movie, so I don't know how this will fit in because I don't think I've actually read that or how I read it a long time ago. That basically, Apocalypse is from the past.
Starting point is 00:52:06 He's one of the first mutants, if not the first mutant. And it's basically the implications of that. If you are a mutant and you're living in ancient Egypt, what do you think you are? Right, right, right. Do you think you're a god or whatever? Okay, you're talking about a film that's like the rise of Apocalypse. Yes.
Starting point is 00:52:21 Okay, so the... Sorry, go on. Well, the Age of Apocalypse storyline essentially was that uh professor x has a has a child who's called legion and he has multiple personalities and one and each of his personalities has a different power okay and so essentially he he realizes one day that magneto has has stopped you know humanity and mutant kind from working together magneto prevented professor x from kind of creating peace in the world between mutants and has stopped humanity and mutant kind from working together. Magneto prevented Professor X from kind of creating peace in the world between mutants and humans. So one of his personalities develops time travel.
Starting point is 00:52:51 So he goes back in time in an attempt to kill Magneto. Right. But he inadvertently kills Professor X. So because Professor X was not there to form the X-Men, when Apocalypse reappears on Earth to attempt to take over the world, he's not stopped and he in in fact, takes over the world. Okay, right. And so this is a potential future in which Magneto has to lead the X-Men,
Starting point is 00:53:12 or what's left of the X-Men, and defeat Apocalypse in this potential future. Bearing in mind this action movie is based directly off Age of Apocalypse, they say. So I think elements of that are going to make their way in, but I don't think they're going to, like you said, I don't think they're going to do another wacky time-travel scenario. Can't do it. Can't do it. No, you're right. Yeah. But I would love to see a variation of that.
Starting point is 00:53:32 Also, that movie's going to be set with the McAvoy cast. I think it's going to be set in the late 70s, early 80s. I would like to see that. Sure. That's good. Absolutely. So likely, I guess guess because it's happening i guess so yeah but at the same time hollywood you've screwed us again that's right exactly
Starting point is 00:53:50 it won't be exactly comic book accurate and that makes me mad it doesn't that's fine man they really restrict you because these characters all split up it really restricts what you can make doesn't it yeah i got the runaways here okay i'd like to see the runaways for those that familiar aren't familiar with it I'll keep this brief but basically some kids discover that their parents
Starting point is 00:54:08 are super villains and then they stop them basically yeah that's pretty much it and it's good you know and I think it would
Starting point is 00:54:15 make an interesting movie and is there any plans for that no not to my knowledge there was a movie called The Runaways about that band
Starting point is 00:54:22 yes Joan Jett whatever sure so you know Hollywood you've done it again you have and how my knowledge. There was a movie called The Runaways about that band. Yes. Joan Jett. Whatever. Sure. So you know. Hollywood you've done it again. You have. And how. You got one? We talked about Secret War. Yeah I've got that down here. You've wrote that? Okay well that's covered. Secret Wars is basically for those not in the know. It's like they take all the heroes to another planet and make them fight. Oh we're talking about Secret War. Oh I'm talking about Secret Wars. And Secret Wars fight in the 80s? Oh, we're talking about so there was Secret War Oh, I'm talking about Secret Wars and Secret Wars
Starting point is 00:54:47 happened in the 80s Yeah, yeah I'm talking about Secret Wars Okay, so a being called the Beyonder who's like a cosmic being Yeah
Starting point is 00:54:51 got all the got all the heroes and villains he spirited them away to a planet that he created and he made them fight for his own amusement
Starting point is 00:54:59 Would you say it's the equivalent of putting a bunch of cats and dogs in a Hessian sack and shaking it up? Yes Okay
Starting point is 00:55:04 Yeah but cosmic powered Yeah That's the story arc where Spider- of cats and dogs in a hessian sack and shaking it up yes but cosmic powered yeah that's the story arc where Spider-Man got his black symbiote exactly
Starting point is 00:55:10 yeah they should have worked that into Spider-Man 3 yeah would have been real good but yeah
Starting point is 00:55:14 I guess that's a kind of I think that was like the civil war of then yes like that was the big kind of
Starting point is 00:55:20 universe shake up kind of thing but you could as much as that would be amazing to see that would just be like a really kind of big video game kind of thing but you could as much as that would be amazing to see that would just be like a really
Starting point is 00:55:25 kind of big video game where you just watch right exactly like heroes punch each other for however many hours that will never ever ever
Starting point is 00:55:34 ever make that ever maybe one day years never so yeah what were you going to say about Secret War
Starting point is 00:55:41 though no I think I covered it okay good why don't you talk about that Spider-Man comic? That's your favourite Spider-Man comic. Oh, my favourite Spider-Man comic. I don't really remember.
Starting point is 00:55:48 We might have talked about this already. We haven't. We definitely haven't. We have spoken about this. Oh, in real life. In real life, yeah. Sure. My favourite, and I don't really remember.
Starting point is 00:55:54 I never remember issue numbers of anything. Sure. But it was Spider-Man 349. It was Amazing Spider-Man 349 and 350. Your memory's really coming together this episode. It's really spotty. It's really spotty. No, no, I'm really
Starting point is 00:56:05 impressed. You never remember anything. But essentially, Spider-Man had a minor villain called the Silver Fox, who was like a really
Starting point is 00:56:13 old guy with a tweedly silver mustache, and he was a cat burglar. Is he British? Is he in that episode of The Simpsons?
Starting point is 00:56:20 He's pretty much that character. He's almost exactly that character, actually. And he stole... Oh, he's in The Irredeemable Ant-Man. Is he?
Starting point is 00:56:28 Yeah. I have no memory of that. He's like his roommate or his buddy or whatever. Right, right. Anyway, sorry, go on. There you go. But essentially, he steals a large gemstone and he just on-sells it to his fence or whatever. And Spider-Man attempts to stop him or whatever and he slips through his fingers.
Starting point is 00:56:43 But then it turned out that the gemstone he stole was in the possession of Doctor Doom. And Doctor Doom needed that gemstone for many of his mystical experiments. Doctor Doom's mother famously is in hell. That is very famous. That is very famous. It was on the news. It was on the news, exactly. And he's sort of attempting to find any way he can to get her out.
Starting point is 00:57:05 And so Dr. Doom comes to America to pursue him. And we discover that the gemstone has been actually sold to a cult, like a mystical cult who are attempting to, you know, open a portal to some sort of horrific elder mansion, what have you. As always. Yeah. And Dr. Doom is, you know, out of vengeance, just wants to kill the silver fox. And Spider-Man says
Starting point is 00:57:25 look give me 24 hours I'll get the gemstone back everything will be sweet yeah and Spider-Man is like he's got some sort of super Spider-Man flu
Starting point is 00:57:34 he's under the weather he's not he's not in shape he's not battle ready that Spider-Man sounds a lot like the Spider-Man from Spider-Man 2 yes he is
Starting point is 00:57:43 absolutely yes you know he is. And so he has to go and battle this cult by his lonesome and retrieve this thing. Otherwise, bad things are going to happen. But it's great because what we discover soon after is that Spider-Man has to battle his way through this cult, like this armored fortress compound kind of thing to get this gemstone back. And Doom's just slowly following him. And Doom's indestructible.
Starting point is 00:58:11 He's wearing an indestructible costume. He can fly. He's got all the weapons in the world in that suit. He's just letting Spider-Man do all the work, just facing death in every single conceivable second. And he's just going to follow him in, just through the wreckage, and just watch, see how it goes.
Starting point is 00:58:28 And then Spider-Man finally retrieves this at death's door, and he gets the gemstone back, and then Doom's like, actually not, I'm going to kill that guy anyway. And so Spider-Man has to fight Doctor Doom. Right. And it's the most one-sided fight in the history of Marvel comics where it's
Starting point is 00:58:46 just Spider-Man is on the run and Doom is just he's just toying with him essentially and there's always a moment in a Spider-Man comic
Starting point is 00:58:55 where Spider-Man he rallies his strength he rallies his strength and he kind of he's like I've got to do this
Starting point is 00:59:03 for Aunt May and I've got to do it for Mary Jane and I've got to do it for all the innocent people. And he lifts the... He's trapped under a building or something and he loses all his strength and he lifts the thing and he saves the day or whatever. So in this particular sequence, Dr. Doom is coming at him and he's like... And he picks up a large piece of industrial equipment and he rips it out of the wall. He's like, use my last strength,
Starting point is 00:59:25 and he throws it at Doom, and Doom just flicks it out of the air with one hand and just levels the building therein, which I think is... That's great. And doesn't he try to escape at one point? He tries to swing away. And then he forgets that Doom can fly.
Starting point is 00:59:42 And look, I hate to spoil the ending, but doesn't Doom then man he doesn't really need the gem or he retrieves the gem and then he just uncovers like the silver fox's nest egg which is this beautiful diamond that he that he needed to you know finally give up the life of crime
Starting point is 00:59:58 that he so desperately wanted to escape and he just crushes it in front of him because why wouldn't he lesson learned I guess what issue is that? 349, 350 to escape and he just crushes it in front of him. Because why wouldn't he? Lesson learned? Lesson learned, I guess, yeah. What issue is that? 349, 350. That sounds amazing.
Starting point is 01:00:09 Get into that. All right, I've got another one, Mason. Okay, I'm ready. This is more of one for the people. This is not for me. Yep. But basically, Planet Hulk and World War Hulk is something that people have been pushing for.
Starting point is 01:00:19 For those not in the know, they drag Hulk. Hulk is sent into space because he's too dangerous and he's basically sent to this gladiatorial planet and they pit him against monster after monster until he revolts and has a child. And then he eventually comes back to Earth with an army and just batters all the Marvel heroes and he breaks Doctor Strange's hands. Yep. And I think he tears Reed Richards in half or something, doesn't he? Or he stretches him real far. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:43 You know? Yeah. Kevin Feige though has said that if he's going to do a Hulk story which apparently at the moment
Starting point is 01:00:49 there are no plans for it'll have to be a Bruce Banner story what does he mean by that well Planet Hulk is only
Starting point is 01:00:56 he's the Hulk he's only Hulk form yeah yeah so unless they did it but it wouldn't be weird kind of having Mark Ruffalo in space
Starting point is 01:01:03 and everybody else is an alien right yeah and then do you know what I mean like I don't I don't think this this would work But it wouldn't be weird kind of having Mark Ruffalo in space and everybody else is an alien. Right, yeah. And then, do you know what I mean? Like, I don't think this would work, not just yet. Maybe a few years down the track. And also, with World War Hulk, have we seen enough of the Hulk being chased by the army and being the enemy? You know?
Starting point is 01:01:19 I mean, it would be interesting to see him go up against all the Marvel characters at once. That would be great. I think in this case, it will be more the Hulk chasing the army. Okay. So that's a nice little twist. Sure. That's a nice little Benny Hill twist. We have him being chased by the army and then he's switching around and he's chasing the army.
Starting point is 01:01:36 So yeah, look. So I think if you're going to do a Hulk story, that's probably not the best one to start with at least. But are there any Hulk stories that you want to see? Like Grey Hulk, Red Hulk, Thunderbolt, Ross Hulk, whatever his name is. I like... I was a big fan of... Hulk Hogan.
Starting point is 01:01:49 Good one. Hulk Hogan, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. There was a storyline in the 90s where the Hulk became sort of an amalgamation of the Hulk and Bruce Banner.
Starting point is 01:02:00 Okay. He was the Hulk all the time and he was intelligent. Ah, yeah. And he sort of... He became the leader of this secret organisation called the Pantheon. It was kind of... It was a good solid story banner okay it was the hulk all the time and he was intelligent ah yeah and he um he sort of he became a leader of this secret organization called the pantheon it was kind of it was a good good solid storyline okay i would like to see actually now that you mention it back in the 80s and when
Starting point is 01:02:15 when hulk was when hulk was gray again yeah he started out gray he became green then he was gray again during the 80s okay so in the hulk's very first appearance i'll go back to right to the start in the hulk's very first appearance he was grey, and then he would transform into the Hulk at night. And they only changed it to green because they could get a more consistent green ink colour. Yeah, exactly. Isn't that right? He wanted to be a... They wanted him to be a non-human colour, so he wouldn't represent any particular race or whatever.
Starting point is 01:02:40 Okay. And so originally he was grey, and then grey is apparently really difficult. Back in the 60s, grey was really difficult to print. Which is weird, because everything was grey. then grey is apparently really difficult back in the 60s grey was really difficult to which is weird because everything was grey yeah I know right so they made him
Starting point is 01:02:48 green and they were like well instead of him being changing when he at night time because he was more of a
Starting point is 01:02:54 Jekyll and Hyde kind of character and so they made him green and turned into the Hulk when he was angry
Starting point is 01:02:58 so back in the 80s something traumatic happened to him and he started he became grey again he was dacked again he was dacked
Starting point is 01:03:05 yeah he was dacked pantsed Americans call that pantsed he was pantsed and he became super embarrassed and then he started changing into the grey hulk
Starting point is 01:03:13 when he at night time again and the grey hulk was more intelligent he could form he had attitude he wasn't as strong though was he
Starting point is 01:03:21 no because he didn't have the rage yeah he was the weakest of the various hulk incarnations but emotionally the rage. Yeah, he was the weakest of the various Hulk incarnations. But emotionally the strongest. Yeah, absolutely. Which arguably is the least important strength. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:03:31 Finally, someone's agreed. And then this Hulk realised that it wasn't becoming daytime that turned him back into Bruce Banner. It was being exposed to sunlight. So he discovered that if he just stayed in darkness, if he started wearing big cloaks and such and hats, big sun hats, then he started wearing, like, big cloaks and such, and hats, big sun hats, yeah,
Starting point is 01:03:48 then he would never change back into Bruce Banner, and he decided, well, that's kind of the life I wanted to lead. So, he moves to Las Vegas, and he becomes an enforcer called Mr. Fix-It. And he's a playable skin in the Incredible Hulk game.
Starting point is 01:03:58 There you go. Yeah, so it was, yeah, just an era of him wearing, like, big, big suits. Big,
Starting point is 01:04:03 like, pinstripe suits and hats. Doesn't the Grey Hulk split from the Green Hulk at one point as well? There was two running parallel? No, there was... At one point, the Hulk and Bruce Banner were split into two. Okay. But that's unrelated.
Starting point is 01:04:14 Let's make it all happen, though. I'm an idiot. Let's have the next Hulk movie. It's just called Hulk 3, a series of insane things that happened to the Hulk. And it's just a series of fun vignettes be like a so he shot into space
Starting point is 01:04:27 he shot into space chasing the army Benny Hill style yep and then he's split into two and then he becomes a mob enforcer be like
Starting point is 01:04:33 like Batman Gotham Knight absolutely or like Jim Jarmusch like that Jim Jarmusch film Coffee and Cigarettes which is just a series of vignettes
Starting point is 01:04:40 where like two guys from the Wu-Tang Clan meet Bill Murray or whatever except it's you know it's Hulk's. And then it could be like, there's your bloody Hulk movie.
Starting point is 01:04:48 Shut up. We did it all. We did all the stuff you wanted. So I'm going to say likely. Yeah, me too. That's great. Yeah. I would love to see your ideas.
Starting point is 01:04:56 You're on fire this episode. Thank you. You should be hung over every day. It's a shame no one will listen to this episode because your YouTube channel's down. Thanks for ruining it for everyone. All right, Mason. I've got here any Spider-Man story arc
Starting point is 01:05:10 where Peter Parker doesn't get sad and then fights a guy who was initially a friend of his. Okay, good. Just anything. Just anything really. It would be great. I'm talking a Miles Morales. I'm talking the spectacular Spider-Man where Doc Ock takes his body. Or Superior Spider-Man, sorry. I'm talking Ben spectacular Spider-Man where Doc Ock takes his body. Yeah. Or Superior Spider-Man, sorry.
Starting point is 01:05:25 Yeah. I'm talking Ben Reilly, Clode Saga. I'm not talking that. No, don't. That's terrible. Don't. But, you know, something different from Spider-Man that we haven't seen yet. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:34 Any story arc that isn't every Spider-Man movie that we've seen so far. Something else. You know what I mean? Even a villain. Yep. Who is non-sympathetic. I mean, they kind of did it with Venom, but that was not good. I'm talking like a lunatic like Carnage.
Starting point is 01:05:47 Because a lot of times you can reason with these Spider-Man villains. Carnage is just a lunatic. Wouldn't you argue that the strength of the Spider-Man films is a lot of the times the villains are sympathetic? I completely agree, yes. But all I'm saying is, that's probably a bad example. But I just want to see something else. I would like... I don't want to see another origin story yeah and how he's
Starting point is 01:06:05 running to class but then maybe he has to deliver a pizza and then he loses his job or maybe his girlfriend doesn't believe him or whatever right i don't give a shit yeah do something else you know i would like to yeah i would like i think it's true that one of the key points of spider-man movies is the villains are kind of sympathetic yes but. But have I just one who's just a jerk? Not even a murderer like Carnage, but again, crazy duel heist, guys. Just having a crazy duel heist and it's crazy clash. Absolutely. It's a fun stuff that's happening, yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:33 Exactly. You know what I mean? Just something that we haven't seen. Because I feel like we're getting the same Spider-Man movie again. Or they pack it with villains. Yeah. And even if you've got sympathetic villains in there, you put too many villains in, you've ruined everything.
Starting point is 01:06:46 Yeah. Which apparently, that is some of the problem with The Amazing Spider-Man 2. There are way too many villains in it and whatever. Which you'd think they'd learn. You're going to get a complaint for that
Starting point is 01:06:56 because you've expressed... You've expressed some sort of opinion, possibly, on something somebody else has said. Do you know what I mean? I feel like I'm watching the same Spider-Man movie I know what you're talking about again and again my opinion on the
Starting point is 01:07:09 Spider-Man movies is very clear you know and I think at this point there's only one the most successful one is the Spider-Man 2
Starting point is 01:07:16 and even then there are a lot of improvements that can be made to that movie yes I'm out allegedly if I had a microphone
Starting point is 01:07:23 to drop I'd drop it maybe I'll just kick this microphone over please do yes so yeah there you go you got another one no I'm out allegedly if I had a microphone to drop I'd drop it maybe I'll just kick this microphone over please do yes so yeah there you go you got another one nah I'm out alright well we can
Starting point is 01:07:30 just talk about some ones briefly okay good now I haven't read this one but I was I'm going to read it soon so I guess this goes into what are we
Starting point is 01:07:36 reading what are we going to read it's called Thor God of Thunder and it's basically it looks at Thor from three different timelines young
Starting point is 01:07:42 arrogant Thor from the past modern day Thor future Thor with one hand and a long beard and whatever and at one point they all come together basically, it looks at Thor from three different timelines. Young, arrogant Thor from the past, modern-day Thor, future Thor with one hand and a long beard, and whatever. And at one point, they all come together and whatever. And, you know, because I know they're also talking about doing the Ragnarok Thor storyline,
Starting point is 01:07:54 and whatever, whatever. You know, something different from Thor, you know, sure. Not that the Thor movies are bad by any stretch. I think they've had a really good run so far. I enjoy Thor 1. I enjoy Thor 2. I endure... Endure? I just endure them, Mason. I enjoy Thor 1. I enjoy Thor 2. I endure... Endure?
Starting point is 01:08:06 I just endure them, Mason. You endure them. That's the term for when you endure something to do with Thor. You endure it. So, yeah. I'd also like to see some sweet team-ups, Mason. Uh-huh, sweet team-ups. We've talked about sweet team-ups a little bit.
Starting point is 01:08:17 Yeah, let's hear some sweet team-ups. There's a particular run. The Brian Michael Bendis Daredevil stuff is all amazing. Uh-huh, yeah. Which I'm sure we're going to be getting that in the Daredevil TV series. By the way, it's rumoured that they're going to get the guy from De Bendis Daredevil stuff is all amazing. Which I'm sure we're going to be getting that in the Daredevil TV series. By the way, it's rumoured that they're going to get the guy from Dexter for Daredevil, which I think is a good choice, but apparently he doesn't know anything about it
Starting point is 01:08:32 unless that's a misdirect. Who knows? Moving on. He often is, yeah. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, he'd be a great Daredevil. He's got the build, he's early 40s, so he's about the right age or whatever. Anyway, there's a Daredevil Black Widow run, which is Daredevil Black Widow run which is Daredevil Volume 2
Starting point is 01:08:46 which is issues 61 to 66 where Daredevil outs himself as sorry Matt Murdock outs himself as Daredevil he gives the Kingpin
Starting point is 01:08:56 a severe beating just to teach him a lesson he's like I'm sick of this shit and he just gives him this intense beating and then reveals himself and he's like
Starting point is 01:09:03 I'm the new Kingpin maybe this isn't even this round but he does that around this time if he's like, I'm the new kingpin. Maybe this isn't even this round, but he does that around this time. If you have a problem, I'm going to come to your house and I'm going to beat your death. Right. So just be aware of that. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:14 And so everybody's afraid of the daredevil and whatever. And everyone's also afraid of Matt Murdock, but they can't prove that he is daredevil even though he's clearly just revealed himself to everybody and the FBI are watching him, but they're afraid of him or whatever. It's great. But Black Widow comes into the picture at that point and him but they're afraid of him or whatever. It's great. But Black Widow comes into the picture at that point and they've got a kind of relationship or whatever
Starting point is 01:09:27 and it's a great team up because they're very different characters and they kind of work well together. So yeah. Great. Jessica Jones as well.
Starting point is 01:09:35 I want to see some Jessica Jones stuff which hopefully we'll see in that TV show about Jessica Jones which I don't see why we wouldn't see that. We're going to see that.
Starting point is 01:09:42 Yes. I wanted to ask you though about some Punisher stuff because I know you're a big Punisher fan. What about a Punisher Max kind of thing? I would like Punisher meets Archie. You know that, obviously. The classic tale.
Starting point is 01:09:53 The classic tale. Well, again, we kind of did Punisher Max with the last two movies. Sure. There were elements of that, and I think people are going to be, I think production-wise, people are going to be like, well, we did that for you, so what more do you want? But you know what would be great? To see the Punisher dropped into the Avengers universe, because I think people are going to be I think production wise people are going to be like well we did that for you so what more do you want but you know it would be great to see the
Starting point is 01:10:07 Punisher dropped into the Avengers universe because I think they have the rights back to him now don't they and because a lot of people I don't know are aware of this but
Starting point is 01:10:14 in the comics everybody hates the Punisher because he's a lunatic and he always takes things way too far and like there's even the bit in Civil War where some villains
Starting point is 01:10:24 come up to team up with Captain America's team and he's like, you know, villains are affected by this too and the Punisher just guns him down. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:31 And they're like, what is wrong with you? Right. You know? Like, but he's hard to introduce into this kind of, not Disney-fied,
Starting point is 01:10:40 Disney-fied kind of Marvel Universe, but I guess that's what it is to an extent. And at the same time, and I think I've mentioned this on the podcast before, everybody is a killer in the Marvel Universe in the movies,
Starting point is 01:10:51 but only the Punisher gets in trouble for it. Yeah, that's right. Like, Iron Man's killed a lot of people. Captain America's killed a lot of people. Yeah, yeah. But it's just because the Punisher doesn't have a shield or a flying suit. And he's not really taught up about it. Yeah, he's quite okay with it.
Starting point is 01:11:06 Then people consider him a criminal slash mass murderer. Yeah, yeah. And everybody else has done a lot. Black Widow's killed a lot of people. Oh, so many. Hawkeye's killed a lot of people. Yeah, yeah. That's it.
Starting point is 01:11:16 I mean, maybe it's his... Thor hit that giant rock man with a hammer and he all fell to bits. Nobody complains about it, do they? Nobody's sending the police after Thor. That rock man had a family, probably. Probably.
Starting point is 01:11:26 A horrible family. Yeah, made of mud. Yeah. Mud and sticks. So yeah, you got any other ones before we move it along? Nah.
Starting point is 01:11:33 We'll no doubt come back to this at some point. I'll think of one next week, probably. If you want to email in or even hit us up on Twitter, it's probably the best place. I would like to see some,
Starting point is 01:11:40 talk about some, yeah, email us about some team-ups. I would like to hear. Absolutely. Just two men, two, you know, team-ups. Yeah, yeah. just two men two you know team ups yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:11:46 or two ladies one lady one man as I said I think that's the only way or that's a really surefire way to have a really successful Captain America 3
Starting point is 01:11:53 it would be to do a kind of team up or a because why why do they have to be with the Marvel movies just an Avengers film where everybody's together
Starting point is 01:12:02 or a solo movie where you got some kind of B grade kind of characters hanging around. Why not get two A-grade heroes, plunk them together? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Why not do that? That's the direction they should take it,
Starting point is 01:12:13 which is why I've accepted a job with Marvel Studios. See you in Hell, Mason. You're a dickhead. I'm glad that you built all... We did the whole podcast up until this point and then the big reveal. That's quite good. That's very impressive.
Starting point is 01:12:28 I respect that. Yeah, sure. So, yeah, yeah. Well, I guess we're going to move on to what we're reading. What are we going to read, Mason? Well, I'm going to, what we're going to read, I am going to finally watch Amazing Spider-Man 1. Would you recommend that?
Starting point is 01:12:41 I don't know yet. I just don't know. I don't know if I'm going to recommend it afterwards. Sure. But I've been back to North Corner, so I'm going to have to watch it. You're going to have to watch it. That's exactly it. So yeah, well look, what I'm reading, what I'm going to read actually this week is a podcast.
Starting point is 01:12:55 Ooh. There's Casey Bennett. He has this podcast. It's called the Movie Multiverse Podcast. It's a comics podcast as well, a movie kind of podcast like ours. But he does a lot of amazing graphics and they have proper intros and a real website and stuff they're like a real podcast we have a proper intro theme that's true oh yeah which is then immediately let down by us doing
Starting point is 01:13:15 an improper intro he um he actually he contacted me on um on email he's like hey um email i know right because i use one of his infographics in a video not realizing it was his because i was going to bring this up anyway and and he's like oh thanks for using my thing or whatever i'm like holy shit so i apologize for using that without asking permission because often i don't ask permission i just take things and use them because i'm a jerk that's probably why my youtube account is down almost certainly but um yeah but this podcast if you love you know comics and and and movies and whatever definitely check it out i will i mean i've been um i listened to the latest one and I'm going to make my way back through
Starting point is 01:13:47 them, but sure, they're a great podcast. Ooh. And so what I'm reading this week is Movie Multiverse Podcast on iTunes. Fantastic. And other websites. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So look, Mason, I guess we should talk about Goat Hand Solo.
Starting point is 01:14:02 We should address the goat in the room. Sure, absolutely. That I bought to highlight the importance address the goat in the room. Sure, absolutely. That I bought to highlight the importance of this section of the podcast. Fantastic. Yeah, yeah. Goats are everywhere on the internet at the United. I feel like I started it because I had a Goat Hand Solo picture forever. Uh-huh, sure.
Starting point is 01:14:18 And now there's like goats doing the Game of Thrones themes or whatever. Uh-huh. And now people probably think that I'm jumping on the goat bandwagon. But you were there from the start. I understand, sure. You were a goat pioneer. Uh-huh. And now people probably think that I'm jumping on the goat bandwagon. But you were there from the start. I understand, sure. You were a goat pioneer. That's right. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:29 So yeah, we got some interesting responses on Twitter, Mason, from people who decided whether they'd be a goat hand solo in the real universe or Harrison Ford stuck in the Star Wars universe.
Starting point is 01:14:39 That was last week's ultimatum. We got amazing feedback. Opinions were divided. Sure. Would you say most people lean towards being the goat hand solo? Yes, I think so yes i think so me too i think it's mostly because of the blaster sure i think yes the blaster and the vest and the vest yeah yeah sure yeah yeah yeah although uh let's see uh let's see on matthew galatzan on twitter said i he'd have to go with
Starting point is 01:14:58 harrison ford in the uh star wars universe because it'd be much harder to get laid as a goat i think that's actually a really important point. Then again, we don't know what the people in the Star Wars universe, what their genitals are like because they're not technically human, I guess. That's true. We've never seen them. Okay.
Starting point is 01:15:15 Lucasfilm, we're going to need some full frontal genital work in Star Wars 7 if you could. Actually, Gabe via Twitter wants to know, and this was an important point, is it Harrison Ford in the Star Wars universe before or after Return of the Jedi? That's a really good point. I'm going to say present day timeline. So let's say it's 30 years after Return of the Jedi. So it's comparative to our current timeline.
Starting point is 01:15:39 Okay, sure. Does that make sense? Or what would you say? I'm going to say immediately post-Return of the Jedi. Sure. Okay, sure. So, like, he's super famous. And, like, are you Han Solo's dad?
Starting point is 01:15:49 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see. Mike Davis on Twitter says, I'm going forward in space. Yep. A grump wandering the galaxy in a Carradine Kung Fu sort of way, which I think is pretty fantastic.
Starting point is 01:16:00 Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Joel Acklin on Twitter says, Goat Han Solo. I could shoot the blaster in the air letting out horrible human-like goat screams. Which I think is, that's important.
Starting point is 01:16:10 That is important. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that blaster coming into play again. In fact, there's a lot of his, Daxon on Twitter has also said Harrison Ford in Star Wars Universe because girls don't sleep with goats, but they will sleep with Harrison Ford.
Starting point is 01:16:19 So I think, yeah. What a success this has been. Absolutely. Boy, there's a lot of them. CJ Vera says, I'd totally be a great hand solo. All the hand stuff,
Starting point is 01:16:30 plus I can literally eat whatever I want, which is a good point because that's everyone's dream, isn't it? Absolutely, yeah. Eat a couch. Anyway, that's pretty fantastic. It sure is. Thanks to everyone who responded
Starting point is 01:16:40 to our completely nonsensical poll. I'm sorry if we've missed any. We have, but they're all great. No, we have. We've missed quite a lot. Most of them. Yeah. But they're all great, so thank you for that.
Starting point is 01:16:50 Really appreciate it. Do we have another insane? Would you rather this week? We'll think of one for next week. We'll think of one for next week. Absolutely. Well, look, I just want to quickly give a couple of shout-outs. Blake Battersby, who's our youngest listener, I believe.
Starting point is 01:17:01 It's his birthday, and he wants us to sing Happy Birthday. Before you start singing Happy Birthday, this is not happening. Okay, right, sorry. Also, we'd have to pay the fee for the birthday song. That's exactly right. Happy Birthday, Blake, because Blake's a nice guy. He emails in all the time.
Starting point is 01:17:14 Yep. And which I presume if he's 15 now, that means he might not be the youngest listener. That's a good point. Yeah, he's going to have to fight someone. Yeah, that's the rules. Happy Birthday, Blake. Happy Birthday, man. Christian Bornemann, also, that's the rules. Happy birthday, Blake. Happy birthday, man. Christian Bornemann, also, it's his birthday, and he's also said, look, if I get a birthday shout-out, he wants to earn his shout-out, and by God, he has.
Starting point is 01:17:33 Really? He sent us $4,000. That's not true. You're right. He's giving us a proper pronunciation, because he's German, for Baron von Strucker. Okay, I'm ready. Because apparently the proper German pronunciation... You're not going to get through the sentence.
Starting point is 01:17:46 Pronunciation, this is not going well. And it's not the best day for it, quite frankly. But let's push through. Baron, he says, has got a specific German pronunciation. Because it's also an English word, he's going to let that go past. Thank you. Appreciate it. But he says it's F-O-N, so von Strucker.
Starting point is 01:18:03 S-H-T-R-O-K-E-R. Von Strucker. Von Strucker. There you go. So there you go. We've learned something. That being said, like when we found out... I didn't come into this to learn anything, quite frankly.
Starting point is 01:18:17 So how dare all of you. You look pretty pissed off. Yeah. Look like the Gal Gadot thing where we found out it was actually Gal Gadot. Yep. We're probably not going to do the correct pronunciation. Look, like the Gal Gadot thing where we found out it was actually Gal Gadot. Yep. We're probably not going to do the correct pronunciation. No, because that'll involve thinking and memories.
Starting point is 01:18:30 Exactly. Thank you, though. Yeah, that's it. Christian also said some really nice things about the podcast and how it's nice that we're brightening people's day or whatever, which I don't necessarily think is true. I think we're enraging people. But at least it's getting people moving, you know? Motivated to send complaints. You know it.
Starting point is 01:18:46 But he also said he's gone through a bit of a rough time at the moment. And I just want to say, look, I hope that works out for you, man. Absolutely, yeah. Because you seem like a good guy. And if we help you in any way, which is probably not at all, you're welcome, I guess? Yeah. Thanks, buddy. Thanks for listening.
Starting point is 01:19:01 Yeah, appreciate it. All right, Mason, here's a question for you this week. This is from Ryan it. All right, Mason, here's a question for you this week. This is from Ryan Miller. All right. If you were to become any superhero to fight his or her greatest nemesis, who has a plan that will destroy the planet if you fail, which superhero would you be and why? Take into mind the superhero's weaknesses
Starting point is 01:19:17 because the villain has everything that can be used against the hero in their possession. Oh, my goodness. That's a fucking tough question, man. It's a tough question. Yeah. I guess Green Lantern because I don't only have to fight yellow fog movie green lantern yeah movie green land i just make a mop yeah probably because at some point i'd imagine you wouldn't believe in yourself but then you would believe in yourself exactly exactly thank you when you look at like
Starting point is 01:19:41 someone like superman for example i love superman Superman. I think he's one of my favourite characters. But the problem with being Superman has always been, for me, it is terrifying the concept that you will live forever and watch everybody die around you. As you get stronger and stronger and eventually live in the sun and turn into a gold man, which happens to Superman, everybody dies around you and you become less and less related. You can relate less and less to people.
Starting point is 01:20:05 And apparently also as you get older, time for you, you perceive time differently and the time becomes quicker. That's why years seem to go by quicker when you're older. So basically you get to the point where years are going by to you like the blink of an eye. So what you're saying is Superman's ultimate villain is not Lex Luthor, it's existential loneliness and despair. How would you defeat that? You can't. Just go for lots of long walks yeah yes and just yeah spacewalks stay stay active yeah yeah sure yeah but look the thing is if you were superman and you go up against luther lex luther
Starting point is 01:20:34 i don't have the morals of superman so if lex luther's like i'm gonna destroy the city superman i would do what people are saying superman how would you do that if i punched a hole in your head exactly yeah that's exactly it. But for me, I guess I'd probably want to be, if I was to be a superhero, I want to be one that's got some minor enhanced strength and some skills, but I'm not going to live forever. Right.
Starting point is 01:20:55 So I don't want to be Wolverine, even though some versions he doesn't live forever and whatever. Like someone like a Spider-Man, where he's pretty strong and he's pretty great, but his villains are equally matched, except that time when he got pasted by Doom. Because if I was Spider-Man, I'd just go to my villains' houses in the middle of the night
Starting point is 01:21:09 and just break their necks. Great. That's how I would deal with it. You know? I'm not facing the Green Goblin every day. No. Are you kidding me? That guy's a fucking lunatic.
Starting point is 01:21:18 That's right. I'd just go and murder him in his sleep. Yeah, please. Yeah. What about you? I think murder in the sleep. I think you've nailed it, really. For any superhero
Starting point is 01:21:25 pretty much yeah yeah sure and I mean you know Batman could just fireball Markham Asylum yep pretty much solve everything
Starting point is 01:21:33 every problem that's it so there you go yeah well Mason what a show it's been absolutely what a journey
Starting point is 01:21:39 how you feeling how you holding up oh mate you know what this has been a great show thank you it's been a great show if we keep saying it enough it will become true How are you holding up? Oh, mate. You know what? This has been a great show. Thank you. It's been a great show.
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Starting point is 01:22:30 I'm assuming. This will just resolve itself. Yeah. Right? Well, maybe you accidentally did a racism on that last video. Yeah.
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Starting point is 01:22:45 Absolutely. That's the one. So yeah. Thanks for listening guys. Thank you for listening. Don't forget to
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