The Weekly Planet - 3 Superman VS. Batman - Facts, Rumours, Speculation, Nonsense

Episode Date: October 15, 2013

This week we’re talking the highly anticipated Superman VS. Batman film, looking at facts, rumours, villains, potential storylines, the future of the DC Universe and more.Plus brief Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.S. discussion. Spoilers galore! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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because this is kind of a thing now, what I'm going to do is I'm going to sit quietly and I'm going to listen attentively to the show. Maybe I'll learn a little something about life. Okay, so no song. We'll see. Just go. Just run with it, alright? Just go. I'm sceptical, but I trust you. That's why we do this.

That's why we're such good friends. Exactly, yeah. Hello everybody. Welcome to episode three of the Weekly Planet, where this week we'll be... Baby, I compare you to a kiss from a rose on the grave Oh, the more I think of you the stranger it feels, yeah Okay, that's the last one. I promise that's

the last one. We'll get an actual theme song. Well, you know what though? I don't know anything about music. Do you know anything about music and doing theme songs? No. If anybody, one of our listenins Listenins? Listeners. Can do anything at all, even if it's just like the sound of a pane of glass

breaking, a cat being hit by a truck, just anything we can replace with Seal's Kiss of a Rose or the Prince Bat theme song which you'll probably sing next to it. Okay, one more. Okay, we'll do one more. Okay, no.

Okay, tell you what, we'll keep singing, oh sorry, Mason will keep singing songs until somebody sends us a theme song. And I should point out that they're the three songs I can sing the best in the world, so it's all downhill from here, so. We haven't even touched on the effervescence either. No, exactly. Oh, Jesus. Okay. Welcome to episode three of the Weekly Planet, where this week we'll be discussing Batman versus Superman. Working title for the Batman Superman first feature film ever. June 2015. Not June 2015. June 2015. June. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I always mix those up. Far out. Okay, so basically what we're going to do before we start,

we're just going to quickly talk about episode two of S.H.I.E.L.D., which we know was a while back. We want to give people some time to catch up. Is that right? Yes. I know you've got some thoughts in particular on where the series is headed. I have some barely formed thoughts. Okay.

I think if we've proven anything in the last couple of episodes... Which we have. We've got... This podcast is a combination of incredible enthusiasm, but also just baffling ignorance. I reckon about ten episodes in, I'll have devolved to the point where I'm just like, oh, who's the guy?

And he's red and he's blue, and he's got the S. Is it Strongman? He's very strong. I think it's probably strong, man. We're very nearly there. Yeah, so I think with that trend continuing.

But yes, I do have some thoughts. Awesome. Okay, so we're just going to keep this just to episode two. Is that right? Yeah, I think so. And the pilot. Yes.

Sure. Go. Thoughts. Episode two. You know what? I've downgraded the series from very excited to I'm cautiously optimistic.

Oh? I know. Look, it's because the second from very excited to I'm cautiously optimistic oh I know look it's because the second one like the first one had the extremist serum in it it had the is it extremist

or extremist because I've heard it pronounced different ways I've always said when it was the comic I always said extremist because it's extremist without the T at the end

yes but Hollywood you know Hollywood celebrities have told us it's otherwise so I'm going to go with Extremis. Okay, so the first episode they had that, but in the second episode,

it was just sort of a very vague sort of artifact hunting episode. It was. And it was kind of, you can say that it's a device with Tesseract technology in it. Yeah. But that's a very long boat. From thousands of years ago. From thousands of years ago. And then, spoiler alert guys

but they find it and it's an incredible mystery to them and it maybe it's a couple of hundred years old maybe it's thousands of years old

we don't know and they retrieve it and then they just fire it into the sun they literally launch it into the sun they're not storing them anywhere?

I guess not yeah no that's a really good point look I just found I just found that episode it just they should have called it bickering on a plane yeah because that's Yeah, no, that's a really good point. Look, I just found that episode, they should have called it Bickering on a Plane.

Yeah. Because that's really what it was. There's a few good action sequences or whatever, but we've all seen the person breaks their hand or

wrist to get out of a handcuffs or whatever. I hope it gets better because I'm with you. Initially, I was like, you give the

pilot episode a pass. Generally, on anything, I'll give most pilot episodes a pass past pass even Aquaman which I haven't seen but I'm

going to give it a pass absolutely but yeah B minus but it remains to be seen yeah where that

show's going but like I said last week we'll talk more about that as it goes on and I think at the end we'll do a wrap up

fist fights were good though yeah fist fights are great the bit where he Jake chisel glasses that he's got the bottle and he At the end, we'll do a wrap-up. Fist fights were good, though. Yeah, fist fights are great. The bit where he... Fist fights. Yeah, Jake chiseled glasses that night. It's really hard.

He's got the bottle and he just... That was really cool. Also, Sam Jackson cameo. Yeah. It wouldn't be a Marvel production if there wasn't a post-credits Sam Jackson in there at some point. And I enjoyed that they brought him in.

I enjoyed that they got... You know, he did the favour and he brought in. Although I do feel that... He got a bit shouty? Well, he did get a bit shouty, but I feel that a lot of the time how Sam Jackson works on a set is that they just put him in the costume and the earpiece and the eye patch or whatever,

and then just point him to the set and they let him go. They're just like, hey, Sam Clark, he backed over your golf clubs in his car. Do you want to maybe talk to him about that? He's like, what? And then he just runs in. And then I just edit around it until I've got enough for the two minutes. That sounds about right.

But yeah, okay. Anyway, I guess you'll talk over. For now. For now. We'll table this for now. This might come up again. Might get worse. Might get better.

I'm just going to adjust this microphone. So I'm just adjusting the microphone. I'll edit this out. You won't though. I'm not going to adjust this microphone. We'll get better? So I'm just adjusting the microphone. I'll edit this out. You won't though. I'm not going to. I'm going to leave it in. Great. Alright, so I thought we could start with, you're obviously familiar with the characters

of Batman and Superman. Yes. And you're obviously familiar with the movie that's coming out. I thought for everybody listening at home, and us as well, I just thought I'd go over some facts, some cold hard facts we know about the movie to be true. That's what we're about. Cold hard facts. He's it.

And red hot comic book movie news shooting up your butthole. That's a new catchphrase, by the way. Shooting up your butthole? Red hot comic book movie facts shooting up your butthole. I realise I didn't discuss it with you in advance. Why would you? No, but I think it's going to hit. Look, all the websites I went to, they were really keen on the idea.

Oh, good. Excellent. Buttstuff.com. Nobody look that up. It's probably a real website. Nobody look it up. Go ahead, facts. Go ahead, facts.

It's fine. I considered picking up my phone and then typing buttstuff into it, but you know what? I'm going to really subtly do it, but I'm listening. Do your facts. Okay, so, Man of Steel, the entire cast will return. Henry Cavill, Amy Adams, Lawrence Fishburne, not Zod.

Oh, by the way, spoiler alerts for every Superman, Batman, Man of Steel, whatever movie. We're probably going to spoil something at some point. Fair point? Fair point. Yeah. Obviously not Zod will be coming back because his spine was broken at the neck. Ouch. There's no coming back from that. No.

Except in comic books. Except if you're Batman. All the time. Yeah. Pretty much all the time he'll come back. Yeah. What else we obviously know, Ben Affleck is playing Batman. Uh-huh.

That's a lock. Did you see the interview on Jimmy Kimmel there? It was a few weeks back. No. Basically, it was talking about how the fans reacted and he went on the first comment he read

was just no it's just like N you know 20 O's and he went I'm not going to read anymore

which is probably for the best you can't go in having that hanging over your head thinking everyone's going to hate you because it would cripple you absolutely yeah just like Batman was crippled in The Dark Knight Rises.

Oh, spoiler alert. Wow. Right in with the spoilers. Also, we know that the story will take inspiration from the graphic novel, the classic Dark Knight Returns. Okay. Now, people seem to be under the impression, or some people, probably not anyone listening to this, that it's based on The Dark Knight Returns. But it's not based on,

it's inspired by. There's that iconic quote, which I can read, just as a refresher, which they read at Comic Cons. Yes. That it's drawing inspiration from.

It's, I want you to remember, Clark, in the years to come, in all your most private... Can you do it in the Batman voice? I don't know what you're

doing! That'll do, no, back to your regular voice. Okay, sorry. I want you to remember, Clark... Can you do it in a British voice? I don't know what you're doing! Why? You're not good back to your regular voice. Okay, sorry. I want you to remember Clark. Can you do it in a British voice?

I don't know what you're doing! Why? You're not good with voices. I'm not bad. I can do my New York voice. No. We tried that. We did.

In all your private moments, I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you. And that obviously harkens back to that comic book, The Dark Knight Falls, I think that particular issue is called, where Batman just beats Superman to a bloody pulp. That's true. Although in that, he did previously get hit by a nuclear explosion. That's true. And he had the arrow.

Oh, yeah, there was also an arrow. The green arrow. Yeah, sure. Just a regular arrow. Just a regular, yeah. Very unhelpful. Ow! God, stop it!

I'm in the middle of this! Basically, so yeah. So, what do you think about that, though? That it'll be based on, again, not based on inspired by that. I think that implies to me that Batman is going to give Superman a beating. Even though, obviously, in a real world scenario, which man is still sort of is going for. Does that play? I guess it depends on the version of Batman we get given.

Bail Batman, punched into the sun. Killed immediately. Killed immediately, yeah. No, exactly. It doesn't matter how many little motorcycles he has hidden in his car. Dead. One punch. I don't think we'll be getting that Batman. I think it's going to have to be

closer to the comic book Batman. It's going to have to be closer to the comic book Batman it's going to be it's going to be you know a man with it's going to be it's an experienced Batman yeah it's an experienced Batman he's 10 years in

yeah he's about 10 years in yeah it says I've got here as well this is one of the facts that he's going to be like late 30s

early 40s ish so he's got a few years under his belt which I'm assuming he would have been working in secret then because he's not mentioned or referenced in Man of steel but batman for a lot of the comics

for a lot of his early years anyway and i know this is happening for arkham arkham origins the game that comes out soon that he's a people aren't sure whether he's real or not he's an urban legend he's an urban legend like the movie urban legend and urban legend 2 final destination is that what that's exactly what that one's called. That appealed to me for a long time in the comic books. There was a crossover called Zero Hour and from that point

they sort of retconned Batman into a man who was always considered an urban legend. It was something that the Gotham City Police Department put on the streets to frighten people into staying in line. And I think he's since sort of come out of the shadows. He's not like Adam West holding press conferences.

In the daytime. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know. I want a kind of a sci-fi-y Batman. Yeah, sure. I want a lot of high-tech gear. Maybe he's got a UFO in the garage. I want sort you know, I want a lot of high-tech gear. Yeah. I want, maybe he's got a UFO in the garage, you know. I want, see, I want, I want sort of Grant Morrison, Justice League Batman.

Yeah, fair enough. Who, and if everybody remembers the first JLA, the Morrison run. The White Martian one. Yeah, spoiler alert. Sorry, not the White Martian one. Excellent. Covered. But his whole run, every, just superman and batman but

everybody on that team yeah they were written as if to say everybody here is on this team because they are the best they know what they're doing there's you can't just put a man who dresses as a bat no in this team because you need a token human he's the best at at this you know that there is a particular thing i think i i heard a podcast with Grant Morrison recently-ish where he said the reason Batman's on the team is because he's the most dangerous man in the world because he's the only man who can stand among gods and, you know, not be laughed at because he's just a guy in a bat suit. Exactly.

So I think, well, I don't know. I think in that case, we do need a higher profile Batman. Yeah. Because he is sort of a Batman who was assisted in saving the world. Or fighting these superpower villains. And I think there's a big disparity as well between some versions of Batman. Some he's like the street level crime kind of Batman. And then you've got the, you know, he's fighting mob bosses and the Scarecrow and whatever.

And then you've got Batman who's taking down intergalactic aliens. But in reality, they don't really, I mean, you're obviously leaning towards the intergalactic aliens kind of side, sort of Batman. Yeah.

Would you want some more facts? I'd like to hear another fact. Okay. The working title, and it's only a working title, is Batman versus Superman or vice versa. That could possibly change.

Some people are saying World's Finest. I would like it to be World's Finest. It's not going to be called World's Finest. It won't be, no. Because I think it's a great title,

but people will be like, what's Finest of what? What is to be called World's Finest. It won't be, no. Because I think it's a great title, but people will be like, what's Finest of what? What is it like a... They made him fine bone China? What's going on? Is it as Franklin Mint, limited edition? Is that your everybody? Is that everybody?

That's the people in the world. That's amalgamation of all the people in the world. Yeah, no, I would like to see... Because World's Finest was always the classic, the Superman, Batman team-up. Totally. They are the, air quotes, World's Finest superhero team.

He didn't do air quotes, he just said it, by the way. Wow. Sorry. Sorry for calling you out. God, ruin the magic. And I don't know, I've always enjoyed that, I don't always enjoy that name, the World's Finest superhero team. It is very corny, though, and I don't think people... But I think it's less corny than Batman versus Superman. I don't like enjoy that name, the World's Finest Superhero Team. It is very corny, though, and I don't think people... But I think it's less corny

than Batman versus Superman. I don't like the versus. Yeah. And I don't... I think invariably, if you call it versus, people are going to be disappointed. Yeah.

Aliens versus Predator. Yeah. Freddy versus Jason. Well, that. Because those are quite terrible, but... John Carter versus Mars. Oh, yeah, he punched Mars for like 90 minutes.

It was great. Kicked up a lot of red dust. Brown dust. They went brown dust in Mars. Oh, yeah, he punched Mars for like 90 minutes. It was great. Kicked up a lot of red dust. Brown dust. They went brown dust in that. I did that. I didn't see it either. No, okay, great. Sorry, God.

No, that's all right. I feel, because it's a versus, everybody's going to be disappointed because either it's going to be a knockdown drag out fight from minute one until the end, and there's going to be a victor at the end. Yeah. Or, and that's going to, that personally will disappoint me because I don't want it to be that. You don't want a solid victor.

Well, I don't want it to be, I kind of want a Superman, Batman film to be, they meet, they have the classic two superheroes meet and they each assume the other one is a villain and they fight for a while. Yeah. I will say as far as act two, I'll allow it as far as Act 2, and then I realise that the bigger villain is on the horizon, and then of course they team up. The bigger villain is cinematic Lex Luthor, Gene Hackman. And then they team up and they win the date, and then, handshake at the end, win each other's

respect. See, I would argue that if you start with the fight, or you go midway through the movie, you throw the fight in, the movie peaks. And I'm not sure how do you go up from that. But then again, if you put the fight at the end, then you kind of end it with, do they hate each other? So I think either way, I'm just not sure how you would do this in a way that's going to please everybody. People are going to be pissed either way, however this goes down, I think. I mean, we could start with the fight. Yes. Either way. Yeah. However this goes down, I think. I mean,

we could start with the fight. Yep. Flash back to... Oh, yeah. We start with... I mean, that's a fairly standard trope these days.

They love... The DC love that. Yeah, you start with the final battle and then we go back to... Yeah. You know... How did they get there? How did they get to this situation?

And then, you know, maybe forward and then be revealed that they were just pretending to fight because of... Maybe they swapped uniforms. You know, they always did. They reveal that they were just pretending to fight because of... Maybe they swapped uniforms. You know, they always don't.

They were doing that back in the day. They always swapped costumes. And what, Batman pretended to be Superman and Superman pretended to be Batman? And nobody's like, is Bruce Wayne wearing the Superman costume? Why is Superman just running around? Why is he...

And he's not even running particularly fast. What's going on? He would just look like Ben Affleck in that movie where he plays... Oh, George Reeves, yeah. Yeah, George Reeves. Hollywood Man. I haven't seen it. I hear it's really good. It's good, like Ben Affleck in that movie where he plays... Oh, George Reeves, yeah. Yeah, George Reeves. I've never seen it. I hear it's really good.

I hear it's good, yeah. Maybe we'll watch that one week and then describe it. It doesn't sound fun, though. It sounds like a good film. I think that's probably a really interesting story. Yeah. It's not. You know what?

I don't like interesting. I like action and adventure and romance. Ooh! That's it. Romance. Do you like sort of swarthy men with scarves and they're fighting

with scimitars? Do I ever. Prince of Persia, Jake Gyllenhaal, haven't seen it. So swarthy, you have seen it. I really haven't.

Oh, wow. Yeah. I've got one up on you. You've seen that? Yeah, it's average. Wow, shock. Yeah. So yeah,

as we said before, Batman, he'll be a seasoned crime fighter, but he'll be in his late 30s, early 40s, which matches up with Ben Affleck's age. Yeah. And again, crime fighter, not the same. Super crime fighter.

Different. Different. Very different. Okay. Very true. All the mob bosses in the world, they can't punch you through a building. No, they can't. Uh, now, um, the last one is, and I think this is, no, I read this and I'm pretty sure this is

true. I should have confirmed this further, but it says- No, it's pretty sure. That's definite. A hundred percent. The Weekly Planet. We're pretty sure. Right up your butthole.

Is that it? That's it. Yeah, you nailed it. You nailed it. That's good. They're going to confirm why no one recognizes Clark as Superman. Uh-huh. Confirm why no one recognizes Clark as Superman.

Uh-huh. And I think the issue with that is it's blaringly obvious, especially when you set your Superman in a world where Lois Lane recognizes him immediately, because that's what happens in Man of Steel. Sure. So I don't know how they're going to do that. Maybe the only thing they could do is you can never get a good photo of him but then that takes away the hope from the whole everybody trusts Superman everybody sees his face that's why he doesn't wear a mask so I don't know how they're going to

balance that why does nobody recognize Clark with well why does nobody recognize Clark as Superman basically one super hypnosis that's another thing you know about the kissing where he kisses his wife's memories yeah he's going to do that to everybody on Earth. So back in the... There's been a lot of solutions in the comics back in the day. Super hypnosis. I remember there was one

where in every photo he could move his face. Really quickly. But again, that would ruin the trust that people have in him. That's true, yeah. The original Superman,

I think, I believe is true, because he had a different sort of power set than the current one does just whatever he needed to do that was the Superman

in the 70s but the original Superman who couldn't fly but was you know Lee Tolbillings that guy I believe his face was kind of malleable

really and he could move it slightly because he was a super evolved man like us yeah like us and he could change his...

If I get hit really hard, my face changes. Oh, it does a little, doesn't it? Yeah. Certainly redder. Redder and bluer and blacker. But that might be... No, that won't be an option. I think...

But I don't know. I mean, surely Lois recognises Clark because they are in close proximity. Yes. If you see somebody you don't really know and then they've got glasses on. Yeah. Surely it's just two sort of early middle-aged men.

But they look exactly the same. If it was like, yeah, he kind of looks like him. It's easy to buy in the comments. I think they're just

going to have to bite the bullet and go, you know what, nobody recognises him. Just accept it. That's, I think,

unless you change it, that's, you know, he's got some crazy gimmick to get out of it there wasn't very in the 80s

when Superman got relaunched as Man of Steel Lex Luthor built a big computer program to take in all the information

about Superman and determine his secret identity this was one of the earliest stories was it a really giant room sized computer

it was a giant room sized computer now if they redid that story it'd be an iPhone now you'd just stare at it on the train or whatever.

And there'd be a hologram and he'd move it with his hands. I'd move so many holograms. And then it determined that he was Clark Kent and his instinct was to reject it out of hand. Why would a man who has that amount of power hide as a big mortal? And that's what they mention in Birthright as well.

Great comic. You should read it. Superman Birthright. But basically, because they met when they were kids, Luke's Luke. Great comic. You should read it. Superman Birthright. But basically, because they met when they were kids, Luke's, Luke's, Luke Skywalker. I'm really, I cannot pronounce a fucking thing on this show.

That's fine. It's only an audio medium. It only goes out to hundreds, potentially thousands of people. Sure. But, I'm less up to your gap. That's true.

Definitely. But, basically, in that version of the comic, they meet each other when they're teenagers. I think Lex is a little bit older. And then he meets Superman

when he's a grown man, when they're both grown men. And he doesn't recognize him. At all. At all. And the way that his parents justify it is, Lex Luthor has got

such a massive ego, he couldn't comprehend that anybody who's ever been around Smallville, because he was in Smallville when they met, would think that anybody else could come out of Smallville even close to the level that he's at.

And that's why he doesn't recognise him. But that's just one guy. What about everybody else? That's true. Yeah, that's true. Crazy dog. I think... I wonder...

Because the original motivation for why Superman, why Lex Luthor hated Superman, was because Lex Luthor used to have that full head full head of beautiful sort of red hair and then he was in a lab accident and then Superboy came and he saved Lex Luthor What a nice guy I know but then the fumes from the experiment sort of whopped it over him and he lost all his hair

and from that point forward he hated Superman because it was complicated motivations back in the day but I don't know That's why Nicolas Cage hates John Travolta Because of his beautiful hair point forward he hated Superman. Because it was complicated motivations back in the day. That's why Nicolas Cage hates John Travolta. Because of his beautiful hair. Because he lost all his hair. Nicolas Cage wears a wig. Spoiler alert. So does John Travolta. Spoiler alert. Wow. Yeah. Hollywood

truths. God, well, that's, yeah. Well, those are some Sorry, I just got completely derailed on that. So that was the original argument. Well... Okay. Early days of comics, I guess. Early days of comics, everybody.

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How many are there? I've only got like three or four. Okay, let's pick one of them and that's now a fact. Okay, done. Basically, I picked the ones though that would be most likely to be true. Okay. There's a lot of them that were just like complete nonsense about this and that and whatever. So I picked the ones though that would be most likely to be true okay there's a lot of them that were just like just complete nonsense about this and that

and whatever so I picked the ones that are plausible this one though this first one is a fact as we said I'm ready

okay Lex Luthor will make an appearance that's been a very strong rumour they've kind of hinted at it now and then some of the names thrown out for him his role

include Bryan Cranston okay amazing actor bald that's why they're done because he can shave his head he's not averse to shaving his head for a role the thing is about Bryan Cranston okay amazing actor bald that's why they're done because he can shave his head he's not averse to shaving his head

for a role the thing is about Bryan Cranston I love Bryan Cranston he's too old for this have you thought about marrying Bryan Cranston because he loves him so much civil ceremony

yeah they didn't do them in Australia backwards political we got political again we did again let's not do it again why do I do it

but look I think he'd make a great Commissioner Gordon too old as well he has been Commissioner Gordon, I think he'd make a great Commissioner Gordon, too old as... Well, he has been Commissioner Gordon. Batman Year One animated series, his voice of Commissioner Gordon. Yep. And the voice of Crypto the Superdog.

In my mind. Yeah, absolutely. When I read a Crypto comic. Yeah, absolutely. But... Gilbert Gottfried is the voice of Ace the Bat-Hound in my mind. Can you do a Gilbert Gottfried? No.

No, that's more a penguin. That's more a penguin. That's more Penguin. That's the Penguin. Yeah. Oh, look, I'd love Brian Cranston to be in it. I mean, you know what? He'd probably nail it. But I think he's too old.

Yes. The other one is Mark Strong. Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah. I think he's great, Mark Strong. He'll shave his head for a role. He'll shave his head for a role. Good, that's all you need, really.

Yeah. Also, this is second rumor. Also, as regards Lex Luthor. Yes. I think you need, really. Yeah. Also, this is a second rumour. Also, as regards Lex Luthor. Yes. I think you need him for... I feel an essential element of Superman versus Batman is the Kryptonite Ring. Because somebody's got to get punched with a Kryptonite Ring. Yes.

And the only way to get one is to have Lex Luthor. But I think with the Kryptonite Ring, if that's the crutch, and I wrote this down for later, of the fight, that's how he beats him. That's just not very... It's not creative, is it? No, if he brings it out, he whips it out, hits him with it, Superman, I don't know, blasts it or whatever.

I'd be like, oh, good to see the kryptonite ring. Thanks for playing. You know, but I hope that's not the final, like... Yeah. You got me with the kryptonite ring, you prick. That's what Superman says. One day Superman's mean He's so mean

Snapping necks Anyway Next one I like this one This is another casting rumour Timothy Dalton Being considered for Alfred I'm 100% on board

I'm 1 million percent on board for that Not a great Bond But I think he'd be brilliant Not a great Bond A great villain in The Rocketeer Yeah, The Rocketeer And Hot Fuzz Oh yeah, he is a great Bond, but I think he'd be brilliant. Not a great Bond, a great villain in... The Rocketeer? Yeah, The Rocketeer and Hot Fuzz. Oh yeah, he is a great villain in that.

He's really got the look. I think he's a little bit younger. Did Americans get Roxette? Look it up, Roxette. Best band, would you say, the past 4,000 years? Definitely, yes. But he does have the look, you're right.

And I think he's a little bit younger. And he's kind of... And I love Michael Caine. I thought he was great. He can grow an excellent tweedly mustache. Can he ever. Boy. Yeah.

Yeah, Michael Caine, he was... I never bought him as Alfred. Do you think because you're like, that's Michael Caine? Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Fair enough. I like the whole idea of the Alfred with the backstory where he's in the military and blah,

blah, blah. And I think Alfred in the Dark Knight trilogy, I think Michael Caine mentioned that he does have that background, but it's never explicitly stated. I would hope that it's never explicitly... You know what? I'm okay with it being stated that he has a mysterious past, but I don't ever want to see it explored. Okay.

Yeah. Fair enough. Good. You don't need to explore every facet. Okay. Yeah. Fair enough. Good. You don't need to explore every facet of everything. George Lucas. Wolverine. Wolverine.

Like, I don't know. He had, you know, for decades he had that mysterious past and people were like, hey, let's, it never, it never builds up. It never, it never builds to the level of the thing that you've imagined in your head. Even if, even if what you've imagined in your head is just this half form kind of thing. There's just, you know, excitement and all these amazing adventures and what have you. But then at the same time

they could have done better than X-Men Origins Wolverine. Actually, Michael Caine, they mentioned the military because he's in Burma. He does that story about the bandit

throwing away the germs. That's right, yeah. There you go. Okay, so there was also a casting call a couple weeks back for someone matching Wonder Woman's appearance. Not Wonder Woman, it said, something like this, this is off the top of my head. So there was also a casting call a couple of weeks back for someone matching Wonder

Woman's appearance. Not Wonder Woman. It said, woman, something like this. This is off the top of my head. So this is gospel truth. Between 25 and 33 strong in appearance. I'm assuming it means physically, mentally, emotionally. Get it together.

Yep. If you're Wonder Woman, I say. Yes. Get it together. Though it could be Supergirl. I'd say that's unlikely. Is there a hair colour picture? No, it just says any...

I think it even explicitly said any hair colour. They've got wigs these days. They do. I forgot about that. You can hair colour, change, dyes and such. John Travolta. John Travolta. So, yeah, would you like to see...

I mean, any of those people, Supergirl, Wonder Woman, both? Yeah, Wonder Woman, definitely. Wonder Woman has been very tricky to put on film. I don't know why, but... Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to see her. They shouldn't... You know what?

I don't know. We talked about this the other week about they were trying to get her on a TV show. She's good enough for her own movie. I don't understand why somebody can't do it. No, exactly. It's baffling. Yeah. See, I would definitely like to see her make a brief appearance.

Yeah. If it's going to be Superman versus Batman, I'd like to see her not be out of the picture for that. Yeah. But I would like to see her make enough of an appearance, be enough of a fully formed character that they can then just spin her off straight into another movie. That'd be great.

I'd love that. Or even, you know, the way Marvel does it, where you see the hammer in the post-credit. I would appreciate her in a two-minute, two, three-minute post-credit sequence where we know that that's where this universe is going. That'd be cool. I'd be very happy with that too.

Yeah, I think if you put her in in like two-thirds of the movie, you're like, and Wonder Woman's here. It's kind of like you've got a bit too much going on there. Yeah, yeah. Settle down, movie. You've overextended yourself. Everybody's left the theatre, demanding their money back. Come on, on there. Yeah, yeah. Settle down, movie. You've overextended yourself. Everybody's left the theatre demanding their money back.

Come on, movie. Nightmare, yeah. We've all had a drink, movie. Come on, steady on. So I thought, that's pretty much all the rumours I've got. There are others, obviously, but most of them aren't worth going into.

The Justin Bieber thing, I'm sure people are sick of hearing about, which was nonsense. So, yeah, that's not it. I wasn't even going to bring that up, and now I feel bad that I did next thing

next thing here we go we've used our one fact so this is a rumour oh yeah well I thought we could talk about next we've done this a little bit

so far but what kind of things would we like to see in this movie anything in particular from the top of your head from your brain kryptonite ring

I want to see I want to see a kryptonite powered punch but I don't want to see kryptonite gloves I want to see a kryptonite powered punch but I don't want to see kryptonite gloves it's ridiculous so that's the

lie that is the lie yep exactly um no I don't know I want to

see Justice League Grant Morrison Batman slash animated universe Batman yep a guy who's unfazed by the

fact that there's this flying alien superman yeah around you know just messing stuff up just yeah yeah well that's fair enough I'd love to see that Unfazed by the fact that there's this flying alien Superman around. Just messing stuff up. Just, yeah.

Yeah. Well, that's fair enough. I'd love to see that. Also, if they do it well. Again, like I said, don't want the answer to be a kryptonite ring to everything. Yep. Also, if he's, like, say, 10 years in, I'd love to see some version of the Bat family. Yes, okay.

Maybe, like, Robin, even a Nightwing. You could probably do Nightwing at that point if he's 10 years in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think people would be reluctant because there's a massive kind of stigma attached to like Robin and all that because of Batman and Robin and to a lesser extent the Batman TV series from the 60s. But Robin and Nightwing and all those characters, Batgirl, whatever, whatever, they're such a rich kind of source of material. And I think having them in there, just a little bit, not a lot necessarily, or even making

mention, expands the universe. Because if he's like a 40-year-old Batman, if he's going to pick up a Robin then, it's pretty late to do that. It really is. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm baffled by the stigma against Robin.

Yeah. I mean, he's basically been around as long as Batman has, shy a couple of years. And he's the essential light to Batman's darkness. That's sort of why he exists. Yeah. I love the character of Dick Grayson. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think he's great.

But, yeah, no, I don't. Yeah, I want to see that too, James. Come on. No, I would like to see, but I would like to see, I would like to see Barbara Gordon as Oracle. Oh, yeah? So have that already happened, the broken, not broken back, the bullet through the spine, all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah. Do you think they would dare to put in a joker in this universe yeah yes i'd like to see it i would like to see i would like to see the primary villains being lex lewis and the joker yep both working in cross purposes both pretending to team up or what have you and both have their own genders yeah but both are spitting in each other's food yeah exactly just yeah exactly yep tie in each other's shoelaces. Together. I don't know. Oh, they say it in the not friendly way.

No, not in a friendly way. That'd be weird. But I think you, I mean, in terms of another person portraying the Joker after Heath Ledger. That's what I'm saying, yeah. Yeah. I think Heath Ledger's Joker, you could have slotted that into this universe. Definitely. Because I think he was probably, maybe not the most comic book, but he definitely lent that way as far as wackiness and things

he was most careful. Yeah, and what he could do, what he set up. So yeah, maybe. Got anything else? Because I've got a few things that I would like. Okay, go for it. I'll think about it. Also, how would you want the fight to go down? Who would you want to win? Why? How? When? What? Who? you want to win? Why? How? When? What? Who? How? Question mark?

Oh, I see. It was a question. Okay, right. I don't want it to be a drawn-out battle sequence. I think it will be. I think you'll find that it will be. I think it'll be 40 minutes long. I think you're right. No, I want...

Maybe a couple of dusts up. Dusts up? Dust ups. So I'd imagine... I think what I would do if I was making it, which I would never do because I'm terrible at this kind of stuff, would be have them have an initial confrontation. Just a minor kind of skirmish. Superman,

Batman's like, I'm in over my head in a big way. Goes away. Does a whole lot of detecting. Detective skills. I'd love to see more of his detective kind of... You can detect some weaknesses in Superman. You better believe it, yeah. And then come back and be absolutely firing on all cylinders. Just, yeah, ready to go.

I'd like to see that. I don't necessarily think I'd like to see Batman or Superman win. I think they're going to make Batman win, though. I think you're probably right. I don't want to see him win. I don't want to see him victor. I want to see him team up. But if they're going to go the versus route,

then that's what they're going to have to do. Otherwise, it's a weird alien versus predator cop-out. Was that a cop-out? I don't remember. No, neither did I. Hang on, let me think. Ice Pyramid. Oh, that's right.

It was in an ice pyramid. Yeah, okay, that is a cop-out. Yeah. And the Fortress of Solitude is nothing if not an ice pyramid. That's true. No, I don't know. I'm so...

On the fence? I'm on the fence I'm on the fence I don't want it to be battle I want it to be I want it to end with them as a team yeah well that was

they say that the next team up film will be the Justice League so it would have to end well that's what they say who's they me oh

no I remember reading a while back that David Goyer wrote Man of Steel writing the Man of Steel sequel Batman Superman Superman, writing Justice League. Yep. Yeah, so that's...

Who knows, though? Also, I've got here, I'd love to see a version of the Kevin Spacey, Gene Hackman, Lex Luthor. Shady land deals. Oh, God. Do you really? No. None of those things. You know what?

I'd like to see Battle Arm and Lex Luthor. Oh, that would be awesome. The giant. Purple and green? Please. Muted purple and green. Purple and green should always be seen. That's what I say.

That's what your grandma always said. Mmm, good. Oh god. That would be great. I'd love if they leant more towards that instead of, yeah, show us a Lex Luthor who's not a moron. How about that? Thank you.

Just a guy who can function on a day-to-day level. Yeah. And doesn't hang out with just the pits of... I don't even know. Just the scum of society. Not even the scum. Puma. Yeah.

For God's sake. He seems like a genuinely nice guy. He seems lovely, though. Yeah. I don't know anything about him, but he's lovely. Yeah. I've got here as well... I'd love to see a more comic book suit.

I like the Dark Knight suit. You know, it's cool and it's functional and whatever in that world, but I don't need to be like, you don't need to explain to me how the suit works and it doesn't have to be really functional in a real world scenario. You put him in a whatever suit and say, not even say, I'll accept the fact that his suit, which he can fight in really freely, is bulletproof or whatever. You don't need to make it like a battle armor. You can make it, I'll take that on faith.

You don't need to walk me through that, basically. I want to see a comic book style suit, something like the Arkham suit, not necessarily the design, but where it looks don't know, it looks like it helps him more than kind of hinders him. But a lot of the bat suits have been in the past where it looks like it would be much easier if you didn't wear that ridiculous suit. You can't turn your neck. I hope somebody hits you with a car. George Clooney. So what you want essentially is the Adam West suit. Yeah, exactly.

That's what you're saying. Yeah. Just kind of satiny. Like a nice kind of periwinkle blue. And how like his body is shaped so the bat symbol isn't exactly in the centre of his chest. It's like a little

it's a little bit off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. Yeah. No disrespect. I thought that was a great hang on, my phone's ringing. Oh, good lord.

John, would you mind if I take this? No, please. No, I'm not going to really go. Okay, so yeah, I'd love to see that. Okay, good.

More Bactiv... Bactiv? More Batman... More Bacta-Tanks. That's a Star Wars reference. It sure is. We should do a Star Wars one. Do you like Star Wars?

Does that come under the purview of this podcast? Yeah, this is the Star Wars episode. Oh, yeah, totally, yeah. Let's do a Star Wars episode. Oh, we'll do that another time. More Batman detectiveness. Please, thank you. Let's do a Star Wars episode. We'll do that another time. More Batman detectiveness. Please. Thank you.

I know you're not a fan of any of the detective skills he's had in the previous movies. Buying a big machine. Sure. Having lots of money. He might as well just hire detectives. He's the world's greatest detective because he gives a hundred grand to a whole bunch of detectives. And they detect for him. God, I'm such a great detective.

He's a pretty good detective. Yeah, he's good though, isn't he isn't he yeah yeah so i don't know i'm even working out superman's weaknesses i don't know if there's another villain that he's like lex luther whoever that he's investigating and certain crimes that he could you know be about and just kind of be like this is interesting allow me to use my detective that I've hired. Detective skills. Yeah. And I've got also, I'd like to see it drawn from different materials. Different materials in the sense that a lot of things that have been Batman or good Batman anyway have come from either Batman Begins, Dark Knight Returns. Not a whole lot of anything else. Bits and pieces here and there. Bit of a killing joke

and whatever. Uh-huh. But it's mostly those things. They're great books. Mm-hmm. We've got an animated Batman Year One.

We've got an animated Batman The Dark Knight Returns. What do you think of the Batman animated Year One? Loved it. Really?

Yeah. For what it was. Sure. I think it's the best version of what you could make. Do you hate it? Well, no, I don't

hate it. I found that a lot of the dialogue is dialogue that you can read, but you can't listen to. That's a fair point. It's quite stilted if you read it. That's a good point. And a lot of it was sort of, in fact, almost all of it was taken verbatim from the book. And that's why they took out the inner monologue from the Dark Knight Returns one. Yeah.

Which at first was kind of like, it's a bit weird they wouldn't do that, but that might be a little bit jarring. It's like that Blade Runner with Harrison Ford droning in the background in his head. Yeah. Which at first was kind of like, it's a bit weird they wouldn't do that, but that might be a little bit jarring. It's like that Blade Runner with Harrison Ford droning in the background in his head. Yep. Yeah, I'm glad they took that out. How many cuts of Blade Runner are there? Six, I think.

How many have you seen? At least six. Yeah, so I just, any other comic books, there's so many good materials. Like even what they're doing now, the Court of Owl stuff is amazing. They obviously wouldn't do that.

But just something else, anything else. I'd like to see, at the start of the film, just an exploration of their separate crime fighting lines. I don't want to see it coming straight from Man of Steel and Batman and then just them clashing. I want to see that Superman is out there fighting crime, Batman is out there fighting crime. They have different styles. And then they decide that the other is a problem and has to be dealt with. What I think is going to happen, and this is me... Can I preempt you?

No. Oh, okay. Yes. Can I preempt you? No Oh okay Yes I was going to say I wouldn't be surprised If it becomes Batman Who is a seasoned Crime fighter Who has never killed

Yep You know Seeing that Superman has killed A man live on television Decides that he's The biggest threat It wasn't live on television

Was it? Nah Okay A lot of people saw it Oh right well Well they saw it Well Batman sees it On Twitter then

I saw it He's like Hashtag dead Zod. How dare he? WTF, bro? Yeah. And he decides that Superman is the biggest threat to the world and that it has to be dealt with. Is that where you're going?

I'd imagine that's how they're going to go. No, that's a different thing. But I'd imagine if they do bring Lex Luthor in, that's what his theory will be as well. Maybe it's between Wayne Tech and Lex Corp working together. Oh, I'm on board with that. I'm also on board with my brilliant idea. Good. Let's print it.

The way I thought it might have gone down was Batman's, you know, ripping through criminals or whatever. He's off the grid. Superman doesn't work for the government, but he's on the side of the government. He made that very clear at the end of Man of Steel, where he's like, look, I'm here to help you guys. Don't try to control me, baby.

I'm my own man. But look, if you need a hand, happy to drop in. Happy to snap a man's neck. Just line them up. I'll snap them. I'll snap a hundred necks in a row. Line them up! No, I think there'll be way less Batman.

No, not Batman. Way less killing in this one from Superman, I'd imagine. And Batman's obviously doing his crime fighting thing. way less Batman no I'm not Batman way less killing in this one from Superman I'd imagine but um and Batman's obviously doing his crime fighting thing and they're like this Batman guy he's a loose unit

we don't like him for whatever reasons and I know this would this is kind of what happens in Superman Red Son Superman oh yeah that's true

and the Dark Knight Returns and I know I said I don't want you to draw from that but I like this particular aspect of it where then they send Superman to stop Batman interesting yeah and then Batman you know I like this particular aspect of it, where then they send Superman to stop Batman. Interesting.

Yeah, and then Batman, you know, is like, this is surprising! He wouldn't be surprised, though. He wouldn't be. No, he wouldn't be. I'd love to see a Batman who's not surprised by anything. Yeah. Like, you know, because like the last, all the Batman we've had, he gets tricked a lot. Almost constantly, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. On a day-to-day basis, he gets things stolen from his house, he gets his car stolen, Talia Al Ghul knifes him, Ra's Al Ghul tricks him. He falls down a well. He falls down a well, multiple times, I think. I get put in a well. Yep. Yeah.

Catwoman lures him to Bane. Yep. He thinks he can beat up Bane, he can't beat up Bane. Bane beats him up. Yep. Twist. What? Yeah. What a twist. What a twist. Oh. Yep. He thinks he can beat up Bane. He can't beat up Bane. Bane beats him up. Yep. Twist. Yeah. What a twist. What a twist. Oh. Yeah. So that, yeah, just a Batman being ready would be

great. The funeral was really expensive. He wasn't expecting it of his parents. Just, oh, really? God. I mean, I've got deep pockets, but I have livers. Yeah, come on, guys. I do have a concern, though, about his age. Yep.

What's Ben Affleck? 42, 43? Let's assume he's 42 and 43. Let's not fact check that. We never do. Why start now? Why start now? Okay, so he's probably going to be Batman for at least six years.

At least. Probably longer, I'd say. He's nudging 50. He will be. Yeah. Is that too old to play Batman? Robert Downey Jr. He's nudging 50. Uh-huh. He will be. Yeah. Is that too old to play Batman? Robert Downey Jr. is also nudging 50. Yeah, but Robert Downey Jr. is in an iron suit.

Robert Downey Jr. isn't out there doing Jim Carter or whatever. Right, but Ben Affleck doesn't have to do any of that, surely. No, well, that's true. All we've got is two eye holes and a... A mouth hole. A mouth hole. Yeah. That's all people when you think about it.

Just two eye holes and a mouth hole. But no, I think stuff doubles are fine. Who's going to notice? That's a good point, yeah. You're a bloody worrywart, mate. What are you doing? Okay, that's a fair point. So do you think they'll probably say he's younger than he is?

Or not even bring it up? Why would they? Why would they bring it up? Well, they did in the Dark Knight. They might put a little gray in the temple no chuck it in there i'm okay with that i'd love to see a bit of bat stubble as well i like the bat stubble you know he's under the cow and he's got a bit of stubble sure had a long night yeah he's a man about town that's one of the things i really like about the arkham game he gets the stubble as it goes on that's the only thing i like about those games. Those games are terrible. No, I'm not. They're like the best games. Yeah. But yeah.

I also thought, and I'm not alone on this. I would like to see a Superman guest appearance in Arkham Origins. That would be super cool. You know what I think? Yes. Rocksteady aren't doing this one. This is quickly on the Arkham games. This is a different studio developing them.

But it's the same engine, right? Same engine. Looks amazing. Can't wait to play it. What are Rocksteady doing? They must be doing... They're working on a Superman game. They could, but I think they might be working on a Superman, or at the very least, a next-gen

Arkham game. If anyone can make a Superman game... It's me and you! It's me and you working together! Oh boy! It's going to be one of those little Punch and Judy games. Like a Rock'em Sock'em Robots but Superman yeah

no I think if anybody can make it I'm pretty sure nobody can make a good Superman game but if anybody can it's Rocksteady I've played a few Superman games they're I know it's it's true what they say

they're all they're all terrible some are less terrible than others but my child but some are just flying through rings for hours on end just flying through those rings I hired that game when I was a younger man, a kid, a child.

A babe in the woods. A babe in the woods. And I was still at the age where you're kind of impressed by everything in video games. And I was just shocked. Like, just taken aback. Like, how is this even... I could do a whole podcast on that game yeah let's do that all right another time another time um sorry yeah so another one of the concerns is that it's going

to be batman centric this is the man of steel sequel they've said it's the man of steel sequel yep i thought that they were going to give me uh superman another movie then do the batman thing is superman is batman kind of cramping superman style or are they bringing him in to be like Superman another movie then do the Batman thing is Superman is Batman kind of cramping Superman's style or are they bringing him in to be like maybe we didn't

maybe Batman Man of Steel didn't do the same numbers as The Dark Knight Returns which it didn't and whenever I've mentioned that to people on the internet before

people flip out they're like how dare you suggest that it's not as good I'm not saying it's not as good or whatever I'm saying it didn't make as much money

still made a shit ton of money. Yeah, yeah. But are they bringing it in to be like, we're not sure if Superman could hold the next movie by himself. Let's chuck Batman in. Or what do you think? I mean, if they're starting from scratch, if we're considering the Nolan movies over,

I think it's fair to have a Superman movie and then a Batman movie. Yeah. How much time do we have? Just get the stories rolling, for God's sake. We're so close to death. Yeah, exactly much time do we have? Just get the stories rolling, for God's sake. We're so close to death. Yeah, exactly. Aren't we all? Nuclear warfare constantly.

Just two eye holes and a mouth hole. So close to death. I know. Fine. Do what you're going to do. You're going to reboot them in six years anyway. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's a really good point.

And I've mentioned this multiple times already. I don't want Kryptonite to be the answer i want people to acknowledge or it to be acknowledged in movies that if you hit superman hard enough you can stop him you can kill him yeah essentially you can kill him well let's can we let's talk about superman as a as a movie individual have we done this before we did did we yeah i posted a just that section of that video on the YouTube. You can see that at MrSundayToSunday on the YouTube channels. Did we talk about how people don't find Superman a compelling movie character? We did not. Well, see, a lot of people, and this has been fairly consistent,

you'll ask somebody, who's your least favourite superhero? Almost invariably they say... Green Lantern. Oh, yeah, Green Lantern. I forgot about that. Up until a couple of years ago, people would have said Superman. Now they say Green Lantern because he's always just fighting big patches of yellow fog.

But up until a couple of years, people would say Superman. You'd say, why do you hate Superman? And they'd say, well, because he's boring. Ah, that annoys me. Yeah, I know. I can understand that. Right, because in the eye of the public who don't read Superman comic books

or see the animated version or any of those things, Superman in the movies has always been a guy who can do anything and he's indestructible and...

He's handsome. He's handsome. Probably calls you back, you know, on time. You know, you leave a message and he gets right back.

He would. And nothing can harm him except Kryptonite and that can he be emotionally if you're like a superman we think you're not very great

you're a dickhead what if I said that I think no I think he'd take it in stride I think he'd be like I think he'd be like I think maybe that's

maybe you're just reflecting you're just projecting your own emotional insecurities maybe you should see somebody about that and they'd be they'd get help and it'd be really nice.

And then he'd wait till they'd better and then he'd throw them into the sub. Yeah, exactly. That'd learn him. But that, you know, he's kind of a one-dimensional goody-two-shoes and is indestructible. And people are like,

well, where's the dramatic heft in that? Because it's quite... And that was sort of the problem that the Superman writers were facing in the early 80s. That it's very difficult. And that was sort of the problem that the Superman writers were facing, you know, in the early 80s. That it's very difficult to, you know, have him fight Darkseid one week. And then in the next, you know, next issue of Action Comics Weekly, he's fighting, you know, four bank robbers. Yeah, he's saving Jimmy Olsen for the bank robber. Yeah, exactly.

And they had, you know, it was weird that they had to keep contriving scenarios where Bank Robbers had kryptonite-powered lasers or whatever. And so in the 80s, they revamped Superman with the Man of Steel reboot. And he was still one of the most powerful beings in that universe. They powered him down significantly. They powered him significantly. So if you hit him hard enough, it was going to hurt. You didn't need kryptonite.

Because he was like throwing planets and all sorts of stuff, wasn't he? He was, you know, travelling through time, reversing time, whatever the... Yeah, exactly. Whatever he needed to do that way. Yeah, and he could grow a tiny version of himself. What? With his hand and send that off to... Was that a thing?

That was a thing, yeah. I mean, not consistently. Did it have like his mental capacity? I think so. Wow. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, throwing planets around, that was certainly an issue, you know. And at one point in the late 70s, early 80s, Krypton came back. There was a new Krypton with an entire population of Kryptonians. So not only did you have one man who could... Was it the original Krypton? No, it was a

new Krypton. Okay. Yeah, but not only did you have one man who could... Was it the original Krypton? No, it was a new Krypton. Okay. Yeah. But not only did you have one man who could essentially do anything, you had a whole planet full of people who could travel around the galaxy. And they'd just rock up and... They'd just rock up and... And try to mess up your shit. Yeah. And so, narratively, that would have been quite difficult

to maintain any kind of dramatic weight. And so, they did power him down and made him personally more interesting, more developed the character side. Big emphasis on him growing up on the farm and blah yeah and they brought his parents back from the dead yeah uh good move i thought yeah and so on and so forth and the thing a bit about that though was the first superman movie came out on 79 let's say 79 let's say 1976 yeah and so and so Superman was rebooted in 85, 86, but the movie universe kept the old version of Superman who could essentially do anything.

And in 2008, when Superman Returns came out... 2006. Was it? Definitely. Anyway, I had hoped that they would move to the modern-day Superman, who, again, has been around for decades. Yeah. But they didn't.

They kept the old version of Superman. So, yeah, I would very much like to see, finally, just a confirmation that this guy is not, you know, you can hurt him with a... You can hurt him with a punch. Yeah. A big, big punch. Or a, you know, battleship. I'd love to see him, though, just scrap with somebody.

Doomsday. And I don't think Doomsday is an amazing character. I think he's good for what he can do and I think they're an interesting counterbalance. He's very 90s. He's very 90s. He is very 90s. But I'd love to see I think the Justice League movie would work well. If he had more pouches on his outfit

and like gun belts for no reason he'd be the most 90s character ever. And he had more X's in his name. If he was Doomsday X. Ah, so 90s character ever. And he had more X's in his name. If he was Doomsday X, oh, so 90s. Continue. I bet there's a cover called Doomsday X. I bet there is.

But I think a good version of the Justice League movie would be you get them all together, Doomsday shows up, and they're just throwing everything at him. Have other villains and whatever happening. But maybe have that be a big plot point. Then eventually Superman comes up and has to deal with it, is killed.

That leads to whatever comes after that. He comes back with a mullet and a black suit. Oh boy. Oh, so good. God. I don't love that storyline, but I just love to see him scrap at somebody. And we sort of saw that with Zod, but I wasn't really that impressed with it, to be honest. Yeah.

Can you elaborate? Why weren't you impressed? Well, it got to the point where in the movie... Do they have a heat vision face-off? You know I haven't seen it yet. No. No, no, no. They do use heat vision, but there's a really good scene early on where he fights two Kryptonian

soldiers. Mm-hmm. And that's quite a good scene. Yep. But by the time the end rolls around and it's pretty far in, and I know everybody doesn't agree with me on this, it's pretty 50-50 this movie, and a lot of this movie I do like, but the last scene with Zod where he fights Zod and they're crashing through buildings and whatever, I just think it's a lot to take in, and it gets to the point where it's nearly, and it's nearly like a Roland Emmerich film, where it's buildings

falling and it's mass destruction and you can't really relate to what's happening on the ground even though thousands of people would be dying or whatever it doesn't feel like that it's just a whole bunch

of stuff happening does he go out of his way to save anyone? at the end he does yeah but that's another poor problem people have with it

that Superman should have moved him somewhere else and blah blah blah and the counter argument to that maybe to the moon yeah maybe to the moon

maybe to the moon there's less people on the moon. But the counter-argument to that is, though, it was his first day, blah, blah, blah. Right. But also, I didn't really want to see first day Superman. Right, exactly. I want to see Superman, like you said, fully formed, be an awesome dude. Yeah.

You know, but hey, what do I know? I'm just a regular guy. That's pretty much all the concerns, though, I have with it. Otherwise, you're completely unconcerned? I'm so unconcerned. You think it's going to be great? You know what? I don't know, to be honest.

I have no idea. Yeah. I have my concerns. I think it has the potential to be great. I don't think it's the best set-up after Man of Steel. I'm worried they're rushing it and they're forcing it out just as a panicked kind of manoeuvre to build towards a team movie. Do you think that basically they got, it was the day before Comic-Con, and they thought

we really need something, and they just had two image files, one was the Superman logo and one was the Batman logo, and they just overlaid one? They were just moving stuff around and they were like, oh, that'll do. That's fine. We'll make a movie based on that, I guess. And then somebody moved the Green Lantern logo over. And I went, oh, boy. Jeez. But hey, fingers crossed.

Yes. Fingers crossed. I have faith, I guess, ish. Yeah. Well, that's ended on a bit of a downer. Do you want to hear that? I've got one more thing. I'm ready.

I've got a few things to talk about. There was a few names that were kind of semi-confirmed for going up for Bruce Wayne. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you want to hear who some of them are? Yes. Okay. Josh Brolin. He came out and said he definitely went in for it.

Yeah, yeah. Josh Brolin, I don't know if you're aware, he didn't get the part of Batman. They gave it to a different person. Did they give it to James Brolin? Yeah, they did. Okay, good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think he would have been all right. A bit old, I think. I think he's great. I know I sound like I'm ages. He's too old! But I think Ben Affleck... You know bit old, I think. I think he's great. I know I sound like I'm ages. He's too old! But I think Ben Affleck... You know who I'd like to see as old Batman? Can you guess?

Christopher Reeve. Oh, sorry. That's terrible. Can you guess? Michael Keaton. I'd like to see old... Okay, yeah. Modern day Michael Keaton.

He's got to be in his 60s. If you look to Grace. Yeah, look. I would see him again as Batman. Fair point. Would you want to see it as an extension of that universe of the Keaton Batman

Burtonverse um no I would like to see him in this universe yeah as yeah he's not very big

though Michael Keaton is he that older Batman is supposed to be enormous oh no the yeah that's just Frank Miller's

yeah interpretation interpretation of that yeah Frank Miller's interpretation of that. Frank Miller's crazy mind. Oh boy. No, I don't. And again, you can, you know.

You know what I did read recently on the topic of Frank Miller? I didn't know you could read, but continue. You know what I looked at the pictures of recently? Okay, yeah. The Dark Knight Strikes Back. Yes. I'm aware of it. I'd never read it. And I heard an interview with Grant Morrison.

I think it was on Kevin Smith you know Fat Man on Batman oh yeah yeah and basically he goes that book has a lot of redeeming qualities for the time

it's in because it happened while he was writing at 9-11 happened and apparently that's reflected in the book and whatever whatever and I'm like

wow that actually sounds interesting I read it it's total crap right but you know what there are there are some

tiny bits in it the Adam who's in it, have you read it, right? Yeah. You know how they reveal the Adam, how he's been living in the Petri dish and stuff? Yeah, yeah, uh-huh.

Stuff like that, like there's little bits in it that are like kind of interesting on the whole. The artwork is just, what was he thinking? It's wildly inconsistent, I guess.

Oh my God, yeah. And the way they brought Jason Todd back is some sort of weird indestructible matter. Wasn't it Jason Todd? It was, wasn't it? I think so, yeah. god, yeah. And the way they brought Jason Todd back is some sort of weird indestructible matter. Wasn't it Jason Todd? It was, wasn't it? I think so, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Wait.

Wasn't it Dick Grayson? I can't remember. It's irrelevant, really. I think he just pulled the name out of a hat. Nobody's read that so nobody cares what they say.

But yeah. Another name is Ryan Gosling for Batman. No, don't like it. See, I I don't understand the backlash.

Have you seen Ryan Gosling's enormous don't understand the backlash. Have you seen Ryan Gosling? Ryan Gosling's enormous. Is he? Yeah. Have you seen... Maybe it's just the public's perception of him then. Yeah. I know, I think...

Apparently he's quite tall as well. I think my memory of Ryan Gosling is based on when he was on the kids' show, or he was on a high school on a ship. Do you remember that? Ship Gosling? Yeah, ship, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. So wasn't he like

the kind of preppy kind of like jerk? No, he was like the goofy kind of, he was like a kind of a goofy nerdy character who was kind of like hyperactive and like,

hey, I'm the cool guy and people were like, you know. Like his character in Drive. Yeah, like his character in Drive. Yeah, just, hey, everybody.

See, I like Ryan Gosling. I think he would have done a good job. I think people would have even flipped out that he's blonde though because people don't like even like minor changes. Remember when Bond was blonde? I do remember that. Everyone was like, think people would have even flipped out that he's blonde, though, because people don't like even minor changes.

Remember when Bond was blonde? I do remember that. Everyone was like, this guy looks like a chimp, and he's blonde! Yeah. People lost it. Matthew Goode? Ozzy Mandis. Ozzy Mandis, yeah.

Not weathered enough. Yeah. Yeah, too... Too reedy? Too Reed Richard-y? Yeah, both of those things, but kind of, you know,

I think if we're going to do a veteran Batman, he needs to be more weathered. Yeah, fair enough. I don't think

Matthew Goode would look great with like a, like that stubble you want. That beautiful stubble. But I want so badly.

Oh boy. Richard Armitage, you know, he's the main dwarf in The Hobbit. He's in Spooks, you ever seen the TV show Spooks is. He's the main dwarf in The Hobbit. He's in Spooks. Have you ever seen the TV show Spooks? He's like the main guy in that.

Oh, okay. Yep. All right. He's all right. He was in Robin Hood, the TV show Robin Hood, the British TV show. Not a good show. Max Martini. I had to look this guy up.

Do you know who he is? Did he invent the Martini? He did. So old. Why would they even consider him? Is he a Martini mascot? He did. So old. Why would they even consider him? Is he a martini mascot? He is. No, he's actually

a lounge singer. He's a British guy but he's the Australian dad in Pacific Rim. You know, there's that Australian father-son duo. Yeah, yeah.

And nobody else in the world seems to notice but except if you're Australian those have got to be the worst Australian accents. Absolutely the worst. I mean,

our Australian accents are pretty... Great, sure. Yeah. Well, I mean, we don't Australian accents. They're absolutely the worst. I mean, our Australian accents are pretty... Great, sure. Yeah. Well, I mean, we don't have accents. No, that's true. It's everybody else in the world that has accents. That's what I've been saying.

For years. God. God. I've been stroothed. Stroothed, mate. Should we add some more Australia to this show, I think? Definitely. Get a dingo.

Up here. That's what they say. That's actually a type of pudding in Australia. Get a dingo up here That's what they say That's actually a type of pudding in Australia Get a dingo up here Delightful Put a bit of eucalyptus on it Get into it Hats with corks on them

That's an expression we use Yeah, okay He's not made an impact on me though I couldn't pick him out of a line up So maybe he's not the best idea. That's true. So the benchmark here is if you don't

recognise him he's out. Yep, exactly. Now, Armie Hammer was brought up. Now he was cast as Batman in the Justice League

cancelled movie. I remember that. The inexplicably named Justice League Mortal. Is that what it was called? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. That was before he was like famous as well. Before he was in Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That was before he was, like, famous as well. Before he was in the Facebook movie. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, I think after he made The Lone Ranger, though, people just went, no, no way.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. And I don't think he's even that bad in it. That is not a good movie, but he's fine. Uh-huh, yeah. But Jensen Ackles. One of the supernatural guys. Yeah, one of the supernatural guys. Long hair or not the other one?

Not long hair. The other one, okay. Yeah. He's got the voice. I think he'd make a great Green Lan Yeah. Long hair or not the other one? Not long hair. The other one. Yeah. He's got the voice. I think he'd make a great Green Lantern. Has he been a Batman voice before? He's been in an animated movie? I think he was Red Hood in the Red Hood animated movie.

There you go. I might be wrong. I'm definitely right. Yep. This one, I can't pronounce his name, but I know exactly who he is and you know him. Is it Chotel Ejiofor? Jaimon Halsall? I can't pronounce

either of those. Doesn't matter. Continue. But no, not them. Joe Mangiello? Mangiello? What's he look like? He's Flash Thompson

in the Spider-Man movies. He's in like True Blood and stuff. No. You know how he went to your mother? No. He's like an enormous guy.

He nearly got the role of Superman in Superman and Man of Steel. Interesting. Yeah. Let me look him up. You're not allowed to look him up! Okay, fine. It's the rule of the show! Fine. Interesting. Let me look him up. You're not allowed to look him up! It's the rule of the show!

Fine. No, you can look him up. It's fine. I'll do it later. Yeah, so all those guys considered for the role. I don't think... Would you want to just quickly talk about Ben Affleck? Good choice?

Bad choice? Fine. He's great. I love him. He's good in stuff. I mean, he had a bad run at one point. Yeah, but one point. Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.

A decade ago, sure. Yeah, but he's back in a no, that's what I'm saying. A decade ago, sure. Yeah, but he's back in a big way. He's a great director. Yeah. He's good in things. He has a great beard in Argo. He does, doesn't he? So that stubble you want, that's...

So badly. Oh, it's going to be great. But I made a whole video about will Ben Affleck be a good Batman. You can check it out on my YouTube channel, MrSanoTheSunday. YouTube channel. I probably won't, but yeah. Good. Other people will. It's probably great. You know what? You know my YouTube channel MrSanoTheSunday YouTube channel. I probably won't but yeah other people will. It's probably great.

You know what? You don't have to watch it. I'll break it down right now. Basically I say that I've completely forgotten what I was going to say. Ben Affleck is Batman. Ben Affleck is Batman.

Stubble? Stubble. Your video. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it does. Let us out. Shit. Alright. Hang on. You should have written it down. I know. I don't know what he is. I don't know what he does. Let us out. Shit. All right.

Hang on. You should have written it down. I know. I write everything down so this doesn't happen to me. I could play the video and everyone could listen to it. Yeah, that sounds really good. Yeah. Basically, something like people shouldn't panic.

He's the kind of person, he doesn't have to take this role. He would have been aware of the backlash. Yeah. He's obviously got an idea of what he's going to do going into it. Well, I think of Bryan Cranston in Breaking Bad. He was Howlin' Malcolm in the Middle for X number of years.

He's got a lot of money. Why would he do anything that was terrible? Exactly. He really didn't have to do that. I was reading a few other names that got cast in Breaking Bad the other day.

I can't remember who they were but it was interesting. I went, oh, John Cusack was one of them. The other one was Joan Cusack. Wow, that's... Not as good. That makes sense, though. Yeah.

Yeah, basically, I took it back to the Robert Downey Jr. thing, where, like, Robert Downey Jr. was dead. Right. Cinematically dead. He got fired from Ally McBeal. Yeah. Which, I don't know if you recall that. Took a bunch of drugs.

Yeah. Got booed from the show. They bought in Bon Jovi, who I think could be Batman. Not really. I think we could all be Batman, you know? And people also say, well, Robert Downey Jr. is a more talented actor, whatever. Ben Affleck, I think, is a very talented actor. Yeah, I think he is. He's got the stuff, man. And even Daredevil, which isn't a great movie.

Yeah. But he's not that bad in it. He's not the problem of that movie. No. Which we talked about in another week. Is there anything else we want to talk about on Batman, Superman? Batman versus Superman? Superman versus Batman? Oh, which debate?

Batman versus Wonder Woman versus Predator. I don't... I think it should be Superman versus Batman. Because it's his sequel. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah, I'm on board with that. Yep.

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you said not a chance in hell I did say that yeah what about if I just edit you out and just record my voice over it

what things you say so it's just me I'm in a conversation with myself that'd be pretty good spoiler alert that's what I've actually been doing

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