The Weekly Planet - 308 Horror Icon Showdown

Episode Date: October 28, 2019

Help support the show at https://www.patreon.com/MrSundayMovies. Chuck in a buck mate.Star War news including a Rise Of Skywalker trailer! But other than that the Superhero showdown returns in the for...m of a Horror Movie Icon Showdown! Classic spooky characters murdering each other on a standard American sized football field. Plus we talk Joker Box Office, Wonder Woman’s new villain, more Marvel TV changes and Bloodshot gets a trailer. Thanks for listening!Rise Of Skywalker Trailer Breakdown: https://bit.ly/2N6MwRySuggestibles Podcast: https://aca.st/cf053aDonate Here Please: https://www.theintrepidfoundation.org/planetbroadcastingfundraiser0:00 The Start Of The Show4:05 Joker Box Office success!8:18 Wonder Woman 84 villain12:45 Obi Wan TV14:45 Rise Of Skywalker final trailer29:40 More Marvel TV changes31:40 Falcon & Winter Soldier details32:08 Bloodshot trailer36:22 Horror Icon Showdowns1:39:47 Letters It’s Time For Letters1:50:45 What We Reading/What We Gonna ReadJames' Twitter â–º http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter â–º http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon â–º https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesTWP Itunes â–º https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 TWP Direct Download â–º https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanet TWP YouTube Channel â–º https://goo.gl/1ZQFGH Buy Terminator Collection Amazon â–º https://amzn.to/2ocHVoDT-Shirts/Merch â–º https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. You don't have to, Bert. I'm drinking out of a jar here. Yeah. He's not lying. You could really, it would do some way to getting me a real cup. You know what I mean? What a world. Sounds poor. It doesn't sound right. It sounds like I'm a poor person.
Starting point is 00:00:56 Red hot comic book movie news. Shooting up your butt hole. The Weekly Planet. The Weekly Planet, The Weekly Planet Debate rages on about the theme song. Should I change it? Should I not? People are passionate both ways. Well, I mean, question number one is, have you already changed the theme song?
Starting point is 00:01:14 Because I can't hear it. That's a good point. You may have put in some sort of... I'm not an honest man, you know that. That's true, you could have put some sort of PG rated. We'll see then, I don't ever believe you. Yeah, fair call. Anyways, welcome back to another episode of the Weekly Planet where we talk movies and
Starting point is 00:01:26 comics and TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday. With me as always is the spookiest co-host in the world, Halloween everyone. What do you think of that? Nick Mason. Nick, spooky pumpkin Mason. That's me. Pumpkin spice Mason.
Starting point is 00:01:41 Yeah, absolutely. I mean- I'm seasonally appropriate. It should be all year. Is that a thing people say about pumpkin spice? I don't know. No, no. I mean, I'm seasonally appropriate. It should be all year. Is that a thing people say about pumpkin spice? No, no. I mean, how could it be? How could it be pumpkin spice at all times?
Starting point is 00:01:51 I mean, pumpkins aren't even in season the entire year. So what is Starbucks? What happens at Starbucks is you're like, can I get a pumpkin spice latte, please? And they go out to the back where they've got fresh pumpkins off the back of the pumpkin cart. I love it. And they carve one out. They make a jack-o' pumpkins off the back of the pumpkin cart. I love it.
Starting point is 00:02:06 And they carve one out. They make a jack-o'-lantern out of it. Yes, yes. Step one. And then they scoop it all out, and they make a fresh pumpkin spice out of it. It's not just some chemicals that they dump in a big vat. Was pumpkin spice the first one to leave the group? Spice girls.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Oh, it got funnier when I explained it. Normally that doesn't happen. That's pretty good. I thought you were going to be silent For the rest of the show I would deserve that Anyways This is our Halloween's coming up
Starting point is 00:02:36 We're doing a Showdown The superhero showdown Is what we normally do Yeah because last week We said that We were like As usual
Starting point is 00:02:44 We're going to talk about the best horror movies that have come out this year. Then we're like, we haven't seen any. Yeah. Well, what did we see? We saw Halloween. I've seen quite a few. That came out last year.
Starting point is 00:02:52 I've seen quite a few. But not enough where I'm like, I'm comfortable with it. And also, it's not the end of the year yet, so, you know. That's true. There's more horror stuff we could definitely do. Well, basically what happened is we were afraid people would be mean to us because we don't know anything about horror movies. So instead, we would prefer that a much smaller subset of people got mad at us, which are
Starting point is 00:03:11 people who are upset that our horror movie match-ups were won by the wrong person. That's right. Or Anticy. Or Fogg. Or Frankenstein. Yes. There's so many Dracula's monsters coming up, you're not going to believe it. But in the meantime, it's news time.
Starting point is 00:03:26 But you were on Do Go On this week. Do you want to quickly mention that? Oh, that's true. I was, yes. This week, our friends over at Do Go On are doing a Blocktober where they have the best and the biggest bloody topics. Why isn't a Blocktober every bloody month, Mason? All year.
Starting point is 00:03:40 Well, Matt and Dave and Jess have to go out the back and they have to go to the topics truck and they have to scoop out some fresh topics. You've got to carve a jack-o'-lantern into it. You can't just sprinkle that out, you know, out of a sachet. But anyway, they were nice enough to invite me over and I talked about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Very good.
Starting point is 00:03:57 So it was good fun. Yeah, it's a great episode. I did listen to it. Yeah, I remember being swept up by Turtle Mania when I was a kid and I'm like, why not do a long, rambly report on it? And just to be clear, you covered every iteration in great detail. Every single one. Every single one that's ever been.
Starting point is 00:04:10 And of course, if you didn't cover them all, people could write to you and let you know which ones you missed. They could and should. And what I'll do is I'll insist we all go back. I'll re-record the episode exactly as it was. Make sure it's a work day for everybody and then but i will add the things that i missed correct absolutely yeah whilst apologizing profusely okay joker box office we can't stop talking about it because it's a hot topic it's
Starting point is 00:04:35 one of the hottest topics it's actually past deadpool as the highest earning r-rated movie of all time it's hit 788 million seems like a lot it is is. Over the Deadpool 783, Ryan Reynolds posted a thing that was, you know, a funny thing that's like now you're. I didn't understand it. I can't remember it. I'd love to explain it to you, but I don't remember it. So he put up the Joker poster. I love it.
Starting point is 00:04:56 And he put some swears in it. Yeah. And then he put a little heart. And then he mentioned a bunch of various characters like Neo and other assorted pop culture characters. No, because they might have been the the last r-rated movies because the matrix and whatever is that r-rated yeah it was yeah yeah but they shoot people in the head in that movie up close that is true that squid comes out of that man's belly and you do see uh keanu reeves character illegally copy some software so oh that's right and you
Starting point is 00:05:23 wouldn't download a bear or whatever. I absolutely would not download a bear. I would if I could, though. Yeah. You'd put a little helmet on it like that His Dark Materials show that's out now. An interesting bit of news off the back of this, though, is the Joker, just Joker, it seems is going to be as profitable as Infinity War. How are they going to expand that as a franchise if it's going to be called Just Joker every time?
Starting point is 00:05:46 It's going to contain... It's like that shop we have in Australia called Just Jeans. Yeah. They sell more than jeans. It's embarrassing. It is embarrassing. You embarrass yourself, Just Jeans. And that's what they've added to the sign.
Starting point is 00:05:54 We sell more than jeans. We're embarrassed. We're embarrassed, yeah. Sorry, everyone. The staff are instructed not to make eye contact with you. And fair enough. Anyway, if you want a pair of ill-fitting jeans, they're either too wide or too long.
Starting point is 00:06:09 You know what I mean? Because I think maybe I'm at a weird height where jeans just, like I'll get a skinny leg jean, but it's like I'm not six foot fucking seven because they just go on forever. Do you know what I mean? Why isn't there a jean for a man with skinny legs, but he's not that tall? Are you being sponsored by the average gene company
Starting point is 00:06:27 for the average man? Is this that company? I don't know. Then yes. Wow. Anyway, Joker's going to profit, they reckon, after a theatre and home release and action figures, presumably, at $464 million.
Starting point is 00:06:41 But it was only made for $700 million, which is just below what infinity war war will make in terms of profit which is about 500 million because apparently infinity war cost 500 million dollars which i did not know when you take into account marketing and everything which makes sense i guess but uh so that yeah there you go so two successful movies one cost way more is there are there any joker action figures i don't believe so mean, I'm sure there's a hot toy coming up. Oh, yeah. He's on the stairs. They've made a little model of the stairs. Absolutely. He's doing that. I put my arms
Starting point is 00:07:10 up. You know, put your arms up. For sure. There'll definitely be some hot toys. And he's got like, he's got a hand with a cigarette in it and it lights up. That'd be really good. Oh, and there could be like the talk show action set. Oh, so good. Oh my God god there's gonna
Starting point is 00:07:25 be a little hot toys robert de niro excellent i love it so much you've seen that art there'd be little hot toys wall street guys yeah pull the string on their back and they sing a sondheim song for some reason did you see that picture that was going around just before that movie came out it's a piece like just standing behind uh the new joker just joker oh yeah and it says. And he's got his hands on his shoulders and it says, go get him, brother. And he's like whispering it into the air. Oh, that's great. And the response to that is just everyone's just, boo!
Starting point is 00:07:53 This is the worst. Like everybody, whether you be four or against that movie, is just like, this is the worst thing anyone's ever made. It sounds really good though. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, so I mean, I guess also if you took into account that Infinity War then led into Endgame and also on top of that
Starting point is 00:08:09 merchandise and whatever, I'd imagine Infinity War would end up being more profitable, but I just think that's a good sign that Joker was made for $70, but a movie like that can be as profitable as a $500 million movie. I think that's a good message to me to be like, which also Deadpool proved years back.
Starting point is 00:08:26 Well, that's true, yeah. That not everything has to be Justice League, $250 million. Yeah, exactly. Whether you like Joker or not, not really for me, but at least they're trying something with a lower budget, you know?
Starting point is 00:08:40 Exactly. And speaking of trying something with a bigger budget. Oh, hello. That's not what we're talking about. You know it. Wonder Woman. Imagine if they did Avengers Endgame action figures, though.
Starting point is 00:08:50 What would they be like? I can't even imagine. Yeah. Would it be the Captain America from the 90s whispering into new Captain America's ear, go get him, brother? Two hot toys. You know what I'd like? I'd like maybe just a bunch of Snap Survivors action figures.
Starting point is 00:09:04 You pull a cord on their back and they talk about how sad they are. My wife! I'll miss my husband and it looks pointedly at the camera. But for Wonder Woman 84, it's been revealed that Pedro Pascal, who of course is coming up as the Mandalorian in The Mandalorian, is Maxwell Lord. Oh, interesting. I would not have picked that, but all right.
Starting point is 00:09:23 Because there was talk that it was going to be some kind of demon or whatever. But who's Maxwell Lord? He's a businessman. So Maxwell Lord is a sort of a- Jay Baruchel type. Is he? That's what he was going to be in the George Miller one. That doesn't work at all either.
Starting point is 00:09:36 Sometimes it works. Jesse Eisenberg was Lex Luthor. Oh, none of that. All of these are bad. Sometimes it works, Mason. Just think of like a 1980s Wall Street guy. Got it. Like the guys in Joker.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Or like the guy from that episode of Futur my favorite episode yeah the one who dies of bonitis yeah my one regret is that i had bonitis it doesn't matter yeah okay but you picture so he's like a he's like a businessman who uh who was responsible for like the bankrolling of some versions of the justice league so mostly justice league europe and justice league international which were kind who was responsible for the bankrolling of some versions of the Justice League. So mostly Justice League Europe and Justice League International, which were kind of the joke Justice Leagues. But he was like a – for a while he's been a bunch of things. He's been a comedic foil.
Starting point is 00:10:14 At one point he was replaced as a cyborg and he was called Lord Havoc. I thought you were going to say sock puppet. He was replaced – in a way he was replaced with a sock puppet. He became a cyborg inexplicably for some and then inexplicably he became human again and a villain and he has he had telekinetic powers for a while there was a storyline was it i can't remember but in uh there's there's one particular storyline in which wonder woman kills him on television because he's doing some evil stuff.
Starting point is 00:10:45 Yeah. And so she kills him and then the world sees it like, well, Wonder Woman's, I mean, he's an upstanding businessman and she's a bloody, maybe she's the villain. Let's get her, boys, or whatever. And then so maybe that's the storyline we're going with here. Well, that's what they were going to do in Justice League Mortal, except it was Batman breaks his neck.
Starting point is 00:11:00 We've talked about it. Yeah, we have, yeah. Yeah, so that's interesting. Okay. Might have been Identity Crisis. One of those. Whatever became before New 52. There's too many timelines now.
Starting point is 00:11:11 I think there's not enough. There's too many. It's almost as if they should somehow make sense of them in some kind of Watchmen sequel. Oh, yeah, cool. We'll talk about that later. Oh, we'll talk about it. We'll talk about the comic.
Starting point is 00:11:20 But we'll also talk about the show, won't we? Yeah, two things. Star Wars news. I'm ready. Obi-Wan. Imagine, though though if there was a maxwell lord action figure pull a string on his back and his head explodes what would that look like the thing you said no doubt yeah do you remember those terminator figures that with the skin i was thinking about terminator stuff this week yes i've been watching some terminator reviews uh-huh you know that was an action figure where you'd get the because that's next week, but you get the skeleton
Starting point is 00:11:45 and then you could pour like a goop over it. Oh, vaguely. And then you could take the skin off and it's like, battle damage skin Terminator. Did it look anything like a real Terminator? Oh, no. Oh, no, basically. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:11:59 No, no, no, no, no. And then they repurposed that exact toy for Salvation. They were like, remember this? And people are like, we hated it. Yeah, okay. And still do. Anyway, Obi-Wan can- Have you seen the Terminator in Mortal Kombat 11 though?
Starting point is 00:12:11 Yes. When his skin melts off, like stuff goes through him because he's just a skeleton. Excellent. So like if Scorpion's spear will go straight through him. And doesn't work? Doesn't work. Or it comes back and like snags it on the way back.
Starting point is 00:12:21 No, it just goes straight through him. Then he's a shit shot because there's a lot of stuff you can still get there. There's a lot of metal there, isn't there? So much. Well, that's the thing. Scorpion has been doing this
Starting point is 00:12:28 for like 20-something years now. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. He's gotten lazy. He's just like, I'll just chuck it and I'll hit him in the chest, obviously.
Starting point is 00:12:34 I'm in the area, aren't I? And I'll just whip him back. It doesn't matter. We're on a 2D plane. I can't miss, mate. Exactly. Mortal Kombat 4 was difficult because we're on a 3D plane.
Starting point is 00:12:43 As long as they don't duck or jump I'll be fine but just I'm going to throw it I'm going to be money baby what bloody hell so all you need to do is be a guy with a hole in his chest
Starting point is 00:12:53 and you'll be fine you'd think there'd be a lot of those in Mortal Kombat I'd imagine so I mean after Scorpion's through with him there'd be a bunch of dudes with holes in them
Starting point is 00:13:00 does that mean Scorpion has to do that kick where he jumps off screen one side and comes in comes back the other side I think so, yeah. Pretty good. It's a good kick.
Starting point is 00:13:07 It's a good kick. How does he do it? I don't know. We'll get him on the show. We'll ask him. Okay. Anyway, the Obi-Wan TV series, which is called Kenobi or something. Obi-Wan.
Starting point is 00:13:16 Obi-Wan. Or Obi. Yes. Or Wan. Or Wan. First of all, Joel Legend says, you know, he was like- O-W-K. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Auk. Auk. We'll call it Auk. Joel Legend was asked whether he was coming back, he was like. O-W-K. Yeah. Alk. Alk. We'll all call it Alk. Joel Edgerton was asked whether he was coming back, and he was like, I couldn't possibly say. So yes. Yes. Apparently Ewan McGregor's known about this for like four years.
Starting point is 00:13:34 Okay. So I assume, because he actually recorded a line of dialogue for episode seven in Ray's force, what's it called? It was called a force back. Force back. Okay, yeah. Hello there. Upcoming Disney Plus series 2019, he said.
Starting point is 00:13:51 And then they backmasked it so it sounded like... But that's when I assume it was still a movie and whatever has been developed into this. But what else has been revealed is that it's six hours long. The story is set between episode three and four which we knew and it's shortly after the collapse of the jedi order and it's uh strongly hinted at that the fallout from anakin's actions and order 66 will play a large role in the story order 66 being go for it the or the or the i know something i know you do so i'm
Starting point is 00:14:20 throwing it out there it's when the Emperor was like, Order 66, execute. And then he kills all the Jedi, right? That's the one. Track them all down. Yeah, most of them all at once. Yes. But they had chips in their heads, the troopers or something. Oh, the clone troopers, right. Or the switch or something.
Starting point is 00:14:35 If you love Order 66, that Star Wars game is coming out soon, which is set around, set just after Order 66 and Jedi in hiding. And the Inquisitors and also that new Darth Vader comic was Order 66 related. It's a bunch of good stuff. The game's called I after Order 66 and Jedi in Hiding and The Inquisitors. And also that new Darth Vader comic was Order 66 related. It's a bunch of good stuff. The game's called I Love Order 66. Give me more, it says. Imagine, though, if there were Star Wars action figures. What would they be like?
Starting point is 00:14:56 You could pour the skin over them. You pour the skin over them. You get Luke Skywalker's severed metal hand. Yep. And then you get to pour the skin over Luke Skywalker's hand. What do you think of that? That's very good. I like it.
Starting point is 00:15:05 Imagine. I'm like, we should pitch this. We should pitch this you think of that? That's very good. I like it. Imagine? I'm like, we should pitch this. We should pitch this. But to who? We don't know anyone in the industry. We don't know anyone in the industry, yeah. Okay. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it
Starting point is 00:15:27 before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. What else have we got? There's more Star Wars news. Okay, fine. As if there wouldn't be. You don't even put up a fuss anymore, I think.
Starting point is 00:15:47 So the Rise of Skywalker. Even if you were like straight up right at the start of the episode, there isn't any Star Wars news. I'd still brace myself for Star Wars news. Of course you would. There'd be a question in the show at the end. Because you'd get some sort of notification that there is Star Wars news halfway through.
Starting point is 00:16:00 Exactly. Rise of Skywalker trailer was released to people who liked this series, liked it, and people who didn't, didn't like it. Okay. It also broke records in terms of ticket sales. Fandango says that it sold more than any Star Wars movie ever. Your friend Joe Fandango. That's right. Do you know him?
Starting point is 00:16:18 Yeah. Yeah, he's good. And Atom Tickets, this sold 45% more than Endgame. Now, of course, that's all good news in terms of- For us? Yeah, it's great news for us. Good. Your dad, Bob Iger.
Starting point is 00:16:29 Yeah. And there's no denying that those are excellent ticket sales, but it doesn't mean longevity or whether the movie's going to be good or not. It doesn't mean that all these people who watch it are immediately going to go, this is incredible, I'm going to watch it again. Exactly. So I normally get a screening, although I'm off the Disney list at the the moment i don't know why i gotta did you do something wrong i did what's the last thing you got banned from a from a from oh that was transformers that was like
Starting point is 00:16:52 transformers four maybe and sometimes they're like i'll get a form and it's and it's like fill out this form and send out then it's your latest three reviews and because we want it we're we're culling the numbers and we want to, what's your influences? Oh, that's so passive. And I'm like, fuck off. I'm not doing that. I'll go by myself. That's like when somebody on Facebook is like, congratulations,
Starting point is 00:17:13 if you're reading this, you survived my friend cull. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, unfriend. I'll save you the trouble for next time. Bye. Honestly, I don't. I mean, that's very reasonable that they would ask that. Yeah, right, for sure.
Starting point is 00:17:28 I don't know if people know this, but anybody can go to these things. I see an increasing number of what I can only assume are Instagram influences. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So if you have like a blog or Instagram or whatever, it's fine. Yeah, so you should go if you can. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:43 And that's, I mean, I feel also that is the best. I don't want to get knocked off any lists or anything, but that ultimately is the best response they can get is if you just send an Instagram influencer to a movie, they'll be like, this was great because I was here for free. And I'll use the hashtag in my post. Yeah, exactly. That's true.
Starting point is 00:18:02 You ever done that when they ask you? Oh, no, you boo. I boo, yeah. You boo, yeah boo anyway uh let's talk about the trail i've done two trailer breakdowns one is like a q a which like some some theories that people have written in the other is like a traditional trailer breakdown they're both on my channel that's been being done for since time immemorial traditional one yes uh so we've got i used to do it on cave walls. You know they did. What would those action figures look like? Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:18:33 Yeah, we're absolutely going to do it until it's not funny anymore, which happened at least one example ago, and we're going to continue to do it until it's funny again and then probably not funny again by then. That's right, exactly. It's Moses parting the Red Sea. Correct. Red Sea action parting. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:18:47 People would be so impressed. You better believe it. Can you imagine seeing that, though? That'd be insane. I'd be like, this is insane. Yeah. This guy's legit. That's what I'd yell.
Starting point is 00:18:55 Hashtag this guy's legit, you'd say on Instagram. You're like a couple of I'm here at the parting of the Red Sea, guys. Oh, my God. I feel so hashtag blessed. By the Lord, obviously. So, yeah, those two trailer breakdowns are linked below. Imagine being a YouTube. Wait.
Starting point is 00:19:14 I'm ready. Imagine being a YouTube guy and it's a reaction video of the revelation of the Ten Commandments. Oh, my God, yeah. You'd be like, thou shalt not kill. Oh, my God. Thou shalt not kill oh my god thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's oxen is that one i think so i don't know if that's true there's a wife one there's definitely a
Starting point is 00:19:35 wife one an oxen which were equal at the time which was i don't know probably the same one anyway it's a youtube guy and he's like, whoa. I think it's great that a guy went up a mountain and came back with stones and went, this is from God. And everyone went, yeah. But also, he did part the sea. So I'd be like. No, that's a different guy.
Starting point is 00:19:54 No, they're not. Are they? Okay, it's both Moses. Same dude. I'm thinking about Abraham. Abraham was going to cut his kid in half. Is that Abraham? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:02 I don't know. Okay, all right. People know. We're out of our depth. Email him. I used to know. What I'm okay all right people know we're out of our depth email in what i'm doing is i'm putting us further out of our depth so when we are only slightly out of our depth during the horror stuff people are like well it's they're okay okay great uh anyway what did you think of the trailer though well like a lot of star wars trailers it opens up a lot more questions than it answers, I think.
Starting point is 00:20:26 That's a good thing for you, though, do you think? Yeah, I think so. It's just a series of unconnected images. You go, whoa, there's a lot of ships there, isn't there? How many space horses is that? Oh, there were a lot of space horses, more than usual, which is none. The Emperor's back. The Emperor's definitely back, though, in some form.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Yeah, I would say that. Because there's that shot from the back of the throne, and you see some cloth. Yeah. But could that be anyone? I mean, I think it could be easily, yeah. I've answered the back of the throne and you see some cloth. Yeah. But could that be anyone? I mean, I think it could be easily. It could be anyone. I've answered him one of the theory things.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Could it be Kylo Ren? It could be Kylo Ren. It could be a dark ray. It could be a Sith ghost. It could be Snoke. I don't know. Whatever. It could be misdirecting CGI and not a black cloak at all.
Starting point is 00:21:00 Exactly. It could be empty when we get there. Well, there's rumours of they shot six endings and whatever and some and some are leaked or whatever i don't know and and then people are like it's gonna be like the movie yeah but if people are like it's just yeah you get a random ending depending on which cinema you're going to like people like is it focus testing or is it legitimate leaks or whatever but there was some leaks related to this there's some images that did like hypothetically just before you get into that how would you feel if you learned that they they made six endings
Starting point is 00:21:26 and they just focus tested random groups of people and were like, we're going to pick the ending that rates the highest? How would you feel? I think that happens more than people think. Right. I know that I've spoken to someone at Disney who's talked about they, not so much for Star Wars movies, but they in-house screen a lot of their stuff with staff and family.
Starting point is 00:21:43 Well, how do you feel about that generally then? I think it's okay. I mean, I think if you're in a situation, I think Disney for the most part have got it down to be like, at worst this movie is fine. They're accepted to that, probably the new Maleficent and whatever. But I guess my question being is, given that this is the end of ostensibly a nine-movie saga,
Starting point is 00:22:02 and a lot of people have a lot, there are a lot of people who are like, well, I know this lore back to front. I love this series so much. Yeah. And you're leaving the ending up to what is essentially a theatre full of randomness. Then I guess not, no.
Starting point is 00:22:15 Yeah, right. I think in that situation, because I think in general, I prefer a singular vision or at least a story that's kind of decided upon by the people making the movie. Yeah, right. But again, I understand focus testing i get it but that's that's what i liked about the last jedi and that's also people who like the prequels or even respect them because it's it is that singular vision yeah right so i guess and from that perspective yeah if you're wrapping up
Starting point is 00:22:39 everything then but i mean at the same time i mean maybe they screen an ending and somebody goes why don't you just do this and then all of a sudden they're like oh exactly I mean you know you might be like well I've been on this
Starting point is 00:22:51 Star Wars train for so long making these movies I've had a singular idea for so long that I don't know where I'm going with this you know it's interesting you say that
Starting point is 00:22:59 because the Shazam director David Sandberg who came from like he did like YouTube shorts and then he's done he did horror movies and then he did Shazam but he talksberg who came from like he did like YouTube shorts and then he he's done he did horror movies and then he did Shazam but he talks about
Starting point is 00:23:07 he's got a YouTube channel he talks about screenings and how a lot of the time they're used for things like that or like if you're making the movie if you've
Starting point is 00:23:16 you know read the script a thousand times and you've watched the edit a thousand times there's things that you know that the audience might not because you know the characters inside out
Starting point is 00:23:23 yeah right so something that you take for granted that is obvious might not necessarily be obvious. And that could be just someone being an idiot or it could be a legitimate point where, well, how did they get from A to B to C? Because I feel like B is missing in that scenario. Or somebody might say,
Starting point is 00:23:37 what are Mary Marvel's powers in that movie? And you'd be like, who cares? I think it's wisdom. Speed! I think she got the wisdom. She got the wisdom. I think she got wisdom. And she's the wisdom. I think she got wisdom. And she's got what it takes to beat those monsters.
Starting point is 00:23:47 Did you see Christopher McQuarrie this week put out a tweet thread on creating things? I did. And it was basically about, you know, if you're someone who wants to get your script made. You know I do. Don't just shop it around and hope for the best. But kind of like, you've got to get out there and just make some stuff. Yes. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:24:04 100%. And he was like, even if you're a writer and you're like, well, I don't know anything about directing, well, you've got to do it. And that's how kind of he did it. I think it's so true as well because there's also more avenues for you to do that. You can put something on YouTube like David Sandberg. And then you're directing Shazam. And then you're doing Shazam.
Starting point is 00:24:24 So it's still a long road. Yeah. And you'll probably still make a bunch of crap leading up to it. But I mean, you know, the other option is, you know, this idea of, well, bundle up your script and send it to a whole bunch of movie theaters. They're not going to read it. They'd throw them all in the trash apparently because they can't read them because if they do and then something they create looks similar, they get sued.
Starting point is 00:24:43 They get beat up. You get to beat them up. You get to beat them up. You get to beat them up. Exactly. They don't want that. Good for you, bad for them. What if that became an action figure? What would that be like?
Starting point is 00:24:51 I rate screenwriters beating up movie executives. It would have a punch action, like a button on the back. Oh, my God. Yep, they would punch. And some nerd director cowering. That's right. It's got cowering action. You push the little switch on the base and it just collapses.
Starting point is 00:25:05 See those little toys? It's like Rock'em Sock'em Robots except one only collapses. It's true, yeah. It doesn't box. Yeah. Anyway, the trailer. It's got some old sets. It's got some new sets.
Starting point is 00:25:18 It's got some concept art that has been brought back. That Emperor's Chair is from like... The big flowery opening one. Yeah, the thorny one. That's from Return of the Jedi. C3PO, is it the last of his days? What's the name of the guy that did all the... Ralph McQuarrie.
Starting point is 00:25:31 He's not exclusive. Not Christopher McQuarrie? I'm not related to Christopher McQuarrie? Not exclusively, but everything that's... Is he still alive? No, he died after the prequel. Okay, well, he was very... What's the word I'm looking for?
Starting point is 00:25:42 Influential? Well, that, but also when you make a lot of things. Good at drawing? Starts with a P. Yeah, good at drawing. Prolific is the word I'm looking for. Like, you know, on the one hand, that's great that he's still influencing the design. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:58 But? I don't know. I mean, nothing. I mean, I guess there is no downside to it, really. I mean, if he's got all this stuff, why not? I saw a few complaints that are like, well, I mean, if he's got all this stuff, why not use it? I saw a few complaints that are like, well, they're still going back to the well of these things.
Starting point is 00:26:09 But that's the aesthetic of this universe. Well, that's exactly what I said, because I think you can obviously rely on it too much. But I think there is a certain look to Star Wars and there's like a base level of like things that it has to kind of look like. And that's the line. Yeah. And you can the line. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:25 And you can go in and when you see a ship that doesn't quite fit or an alien that doesn't fit, you notice it's odd. Like if you do the giant, whenever they do like the giant, you know, swarm of spaceships, if there is one that they've put in as a joke, like if they put in an Enterprise or whatever, you go, oh, it's the Enterprise. Yeah, exactly. Of course it is because it doesn't, like it stands out kind of like a sore thumb. Exactly. You know, when they, Star Trek do it as well, you go, oh, it's the Enterprise. Of course it is because it stands out kind of like a sore thumb.
Starting point is 00:26:47 Star Trek do it as well, I think, when they throw in an R2D2 or something like that. You'll be like, oh, yeah, of course that doesn't fit. Speaking of, people are saying C-3PO is like, I'm taking a last look at my friends. Oh, yeah, what's happening there? They're reprogramming or wiping
Starting point is 00:27:02 his memory or something. As a kill bot? I don't know. Okay. I don't know. Maybe it's a Sith holocron. Why would they need to? Why would they need to? Who knows? Well, also, that guy's been around for, like, forever. Like, Darth Vader built him, so he might know some stuff.
Starting point is 00:27:13 Out of a kit, as we know. Yeah, he's basically an Ikea droid, I think. Which is fine. What's weird, because watching the trailer again and again. Droidon. Droidon. He takes a breath as he's saying, he goes, friends. So they programmed in like breath into his voice box
Starting point is 00:27:31 to make him more kind of human, which is interesting. Or it's just a mistake. Could be a mistake, yeah, sure. But what people are saying is like, they're not even his friends. They haven't been hanging out with him or whatever. But this movie takes place a year at least after the last. So they probably ran into each other. And also all these friends are dead so that's true people can get new friends if all their old friends are dead exactly yeah but they we didn't see another red
Starting point is 00:27:53 eye c-3po situation i'm assuming that's what happens after this thing on the leaks though so yeah they're out there be careful on twitter and reddit and whatever do you think they need his body for something else so they're transferring his mind into the Millennium Falcon again? Well, it might be like a data thing. Like they need some information and they have to clear him to put the old data. You know, like Johnny Mnemonic. It's a Johnny Mnemonic situation. No, the leaks, I was just going to say.
Starting point is 00:28:19 So if you don't want to know, be careful. With me listening to you. Yeah, that's right. I'll be very careful. We preferably don't want them, so don't want to know, be careful. With me listening to you? Yeah, that's right. I'll be very careful. We preferably don't want them, so don't send them our way. But, yeah, so just probably stay off the internet for two months and you should be all right. You should be fine.
Starting point is 00:28:34 I mean, what does anybody need the internet for, you know? Yeah, that's exactly it. So there you go. The other thing is this is – James, I haven't looked at the internet in like two minutes and I'm feeling really antsy. You can't for two months, though, because you love Star Wars, Mason. Excited for Star Wars, though?
Starting point is 00:28:47 Yeah, kind of. One more thing. This is 155 minutes long, three minutes longer than The Last Jedi, making it the longest Star Wars movie of all time. There we go. There you go. How do you feel about it? I think we discussed this off-air at some point.
Starting point is 00:28:57 I don't know how I feel about the fact that they've just rebuilt the Rebellion's entire fleet. Yeah, well, there's some prequel comics and novels to this movie. You can swoop right into them and check it out. But they're going system to system. The one at the moment I can't remember what it's called. It's one of the Journey to the New Movie
Starting point is 00:29:16 or whatever. They go to Mon Cala. We're on a journey folks to the new movie. Join up. December 18th they say. They go to Mon Cala which is the Ackbar planet To get help and whatever And who do they run into there? Admiral Ackbar's son
Starting point is 00:29:32 So presumably they're just going to be like You're in Admiral Ackbar got blown out a window So we did a new one They're like hey Admiral Ackbar's son We're friends with your dad And he's like whoa And they're like you've passed the test You son we're friends with your dad and he's like war and they're like you've passed
Starting point is 00:29:45 the test you are absolutely bewildered so you're in you're in baby so I think he actually is probably going to turn up in the movie I guess my
Starting point is 00:29:54 feeling is I kind of and I understand that time has passed but I feel like for me the idea at the end of The Last Jedi when there was like 10 people left of the
Starting point is 00:30:03 entire rebellion was kind of more thrilling. A hundred percent, yeah. I don't disagree with that. Yes. So rally the galaxy, do not, are you saying? I mean, they've done it now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:14 It's too late now, isn't it? Well, if you love stories where there's only 10 people or so, read maybe the first three issues of that comic until they get more people. All right. And it's just them going, geez, we're bugging, aren't we? I'm tired. Yeah, it's just. There's not enough food on the ship for everybody.
Starting point is 00:30:30 Yeah. Do you want some Marvel news? Yes. Good, because here it is. Cloak and Dagger has been cancelled after two seasons. I saw that. I never saw it. It's got its fans.
Starting point is 00:30:39 But this also ties into Jeff Loeb is apparently will be gone from Marvel TV because that's the role that Kevin Feige is now. Mr. Long Halloween. That's right. So apparently he was hamstrung by strict rules about integrations with the MCU and Marvel television bosses also who were disappointed with the way the Ghost Rider, sorry, Marvel television bosses also disappointed the way Ghost Rider was cancelled and handled because they were shocked and embarrassed because they were just like,
Starting point is 00:31:07 you can't do Ghost Rider anymore, and they just cancelled that series. Oh, on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Yeah. Was he going to get his own solo series? I think so, yeah. It's Gabriel Luna, who's Terminator. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:31:16 Also, Inhumans was a costly mess with reshoots and a $100,000 price tag to fix Medusa's wig with CGI, I i assume or something so basically um him leaving is related to bad decisions and also the mcu folding into it more and they're also limited by i don't think it's all his fault because they're limited by what they can do on tv and also ike perlmutter who runs it is a total prick james yes Yes. Can you imagine? Go with me here. I can't wait. Medusa from the Inhumans TV series, action figure. No.
Starting point is 00:31:50 With no hair action. A woman with a shaved head. It's got one of those things where you put the seeds in the head and you water it, but they just never grow. They're all bad seeds. They Nick caved it. They're all bad seeds. That caved it they're all bad seeds that's a perfect metaphor
Starting point is 00:32:06 for that show which may or may not be rebooted so I like Jeff Lowe but I understand that sure things are different
Starting point is 00:32:13 now I guess yeah a surprising amount of Marvel TV has sort of flown under the radar yeah Runaways also
Starting point is 00:32:19 and I watched some of that and Dinosaur in it yeah there was going to be an Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. spin off and it started with like here's S and then they went, that's it. We're never doing anything else.
Starting point is 00:32:29 Yeah, right. I think there was a Nick Fury. There was a Nick Fury cameo, yeah. And Maria Hill maybe did a thing. But anyway, there you go. The other thing is Falcon and Winter Soldier may deal with a viral threat, possibly the Mad Bomb. So the Mad Bomb turns people into zombies in the comics or something.
Starting point is 00:32:44 I haven't read anything related to it. Okay, right. But yeah, what do you think about that? Wow. That was apparently a backup story for Civil War as well. If they didn't get Iron Man back, they're going to be like, well, do it like Mad Bomb or whatever. Mad Bomb!
Starting point is 00:32:56 Yep, I get it. There you go. What do you think of that? Great, okay. And the last bit of news is Bloodshot has a new trailer. Where's his ghostly white skin? Didn't see it. Early days, perhaps.
Starting point is 00:33:07 I mean, maybe we blinked and it was in one frame. We didn't see some Bloodshot eyes of sorts. That's true, yeah. Going on. But this didn't look as generic-y Vin Diesel-y action movie as I was worried that it was going to look. It looked a little generic-y. There was elements of it, but I think there's some money here
Starting point is 00:33:23 that maybe aren't in some of these other movies or characters. Yeah, right, okay. Sure. So in this, he wakes up. Yes. He discovers he was killed, but then he was brought back to life with nanotechnology. I love it.
Starting point is 00:33:36 But as a kind of a troubleshooting soldier, but then he remembers that his wife and kid were killed, and so he's going to go get revenge on some specific dude. But maybe. But then he bloody gets that guy and then they shut him down and then he wakes up and he's told that he was killed and he wakes up and he's been repaired with nanobytes. But then he remembers that his wife and child were killed
Starting point is 00:34:00 by a slightly different guy. Yes. And it turns out they're just wiping his memory. With nanites. With nanites, yeah. So it's me turns out they're just wiping his memory. With nanites. With nanites. So it's memento with nanites. Memento with nanites. Or that.
Starting point is 00:34:11 Nanetto. It's also combined with the Hannah Gadsby. That makes sense. Special nanette. It's like a slice of life, but also it's a bit real. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.
Starting point is 00:34:21 But every time he gets to rewatch nanette, you know what I mean? That's pretty exciting. That's part of it. He's like, oh my God, I'm so moved. This is game-changing, he says. Yeah. I don't know how funny it is, but it's amazing. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:34:33 He's not going to have a different opinion on that special. You showed me that live at the Apollo, Nanette edits, which was quite funny. It's also some of Gemini Man, I guess, is about that, pointing you at a guy that's a different guy, and they're like, but I thought I was doing good. I feel, speaking of bullets and dodging of bullets, I feel maybe we dodged a bullet because we both saw Gemini Man
Starting point is 00:34:56 in regular definition and regular frame speed, normal human frame speed. They don't have anything else here. Yeah, that's true. We don't even have, what is it? 120, 124 frames a second or something? You know why we don't have any? On 60, 150 million frames a second?
Starting point is 00:35:10 Thank God for once Australia, being slow, is actually better for the rest. But apparently that is a, it's an immensely disturbing experience to watch it in, yeah, like in this ridiculously high frames per second. The movie was bloody bad enough, Mara. It was bloody right. So there's a guy on YouTube called Folding Ideas
Starting point is 00:35:27 and he watched it three times in a day in all different frame rates. Apparently it's immensely disturbing. I think he watched it. That's just a man breaking down. I bet if I had to watch it three times in a day, the third one would also be very disturbing. For sure, regardless of what frame rate it was at, yeah. But it looks very, it looks
Starting point is 00:35:46 like you're in the room with actors, and it's weird. And a CGI face staring at you. Yeah, yeah. Because I was not unimpressed with the CGI for the most part in that. No, me neither. But apparently in the super high frame rate, you're like, whoa. Hobbit was only 48, this is like 120 plus or whatever it is.
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Starting point is 00:36:51 We'd bloody love it if you could. The other thing is because we are doing a Halloween showdown, these are being taken from the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates group. That's correct. And also from patreon.com slash MrSundayMovies. So I think I'd like to throw more things out there on both of those platforms as well. Not to ignore Twitter or any other platforms, but just giving that a go this week if people don't mind.
Starting point is 00:37:14 Yes. Anyway, explain Showdown. So the bloody long-awaited return of the superhero Showdown, or in this case the horror villain slash hero showdown. Very catchy name. So basically, people have sent us an assortment of combinations of people, and they would wonder which of the two would win in a fight. So what happens is our rule set is we have a standard-size American football field.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Correct. We don't know how big that is, but they're pretty big. Yeah, pretty big. If we've got two characters, they each appear at opposite sides of the standard size American football field. Yes. They see the other one. They realize that the other one is a threat.
Starting point is 00:37:54 Yep. And they have to deal with that threat in the way they normally would. If they're not a killer, they won't kill. But in this case, mostly killers. Mostly killers. Because normally when we do superheroes or movie stars or whatever, if it was like Wolverine versus Captain America, say, Wolverine might immediately go lethal.
Starting point is 00:38:12 Maybe. And maybe Captain America would build up to it, for example, depending on the situation. But, yeah, like you said. Also, all decisions are final. We will not change our opinion. If you think a different thing, though, that's the right thing. That's correct, yes. And also we're not aficionados on horror so much are we not
Starting point is 00:38:28 so much but yeah they have the standard equipment that they normally would have on them if it's freddy he has his uh machete obviously is his freddy machete if it's the fog they're like it's me freddy machete and everybody's like hey freddy So whatever they got. The Fog has his gun. Whatever, anything goes. Yeah, sure. In terms of the rules of the universe, obviously. There also can be exceptions if people want to add bits and pieces. Also, the version of the character we get is them at the peak.
Starting point is 00:38:59 I think we should do for this one. So if it's Jason, it's Jason X. When he had nanotechnology powers. Yes. But is it peak or is it like most iconic version for like Hollywood? Oh, yeah, we can do most iconic version. We can decide. It doesn't really matter.
Starting point is 00:39:10 It just matters. None of this matters at all. It doesn't matter. That's the beauty of it. Do you want to kick it off first? No, I think you should go from Patreon first. Sure. Okay.
Starting point is 00:39:17 I've got, this is from Harry Green. Halloween Michael Myers versus all the characters played by Mike Myers in the Austin Powers series. Oh, this is very good. I like this a lot. Okay. So this is Michael Myers from the most recent Halloween? Sure. I think you could pick any one of those and they're roughly the same.
Starting point is 00:39:37 Well, that's true. Except, I mean, one of them is magic to some degree. But I feel like the- Is he? Oh, yeah, one's like a demon or something maybe? Yeah, look, sort of in the... Is he... Oh, yeah, one's like a demon or something, maybe? Yeah, look, there's the... Sort of in the middle period of Halloween movies, basically Michael Myers kept getting resurrected by sort of a curse.
Starting point is 00:39:53 So I'm going to say it's the most recent Michael Myers. So he's absurdly strong. But he can't run. But he gets around pretty quick, doesn't he? But I think because everybody's watching him, he wouldn't be running. That's true. Because you only run him when you're not being watched. So I think, and on the Mike Myers, Austin Powers side,
Starting point is 00:40:11 you've obviously got Austin Powers. You've got Austin Powers. You've got Dr. Evil. You've got Fat Bastard. You've got Wayne from Wayne's World. You've got Wayne from Wayne. No, it says only in the Austin Powers series. Oh, I see.
Starting point is 00:40:20 Right. Okay. So is that the only three? I'm sure there's probably another one in there. Let's look it up real quick. Right. Okay. Is that their only three? I'm sure there's probably another one in there. Let's look it up real quick. Okay, quickly. Because, I mean, if we just use all Mike Myers' characters, we have Shrek, obviously.
Starting point is 00:40:31 Yes. We have the love guru could get in there. Yeah, chuck him in there. But I feel a lot of these would just be cannon fodder. Yeah, definitely. I mean, Mike All Myers. Oh, he played Goldmember. There we go.
Starting point is 00:40:41 Okay. Yeah, so I think all of those people are killers also. Yeah, that's true. But Austin Powers will kill on a whim. He's a James Bond-esque. And he's got some gadgets. Dr. Evil, obviously, is also a killer. Does Dr. Evil get mini-me?
Starting point is 00:40:58 No. Okay, because that's... I mean, it's what he comes with. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess he does. Fat Butt, they're all killers. But I think it's a question of competency. Yes, for sure.
Starting point is 00:41:08 And I don't think Austin Powers and his friends are competent enough. And enemies. Yeah, I don't think they would shoot him 15 times. Like, that wouldn't be the first instinct. It would be a clip and a shot, and then they think it's over, and then he breaks one of their necks, and then he kind of works from character to character sure kind of dismembering them that's why this opening one is very grim i just think that's what would happen do you do you think
Starting point is 00:41:33 there would be any chance that any like does dr evil has his pit full of sharks with lasers yeah no he does not no that's true he's not he just appeared there. No, look. Mini-Me would be kicked through the goalposts. Absolutely. Presumably. I feel like the only one that maybe would have a chance is Fat Bastard. They got into a grappling situation. Like a size thing, sure. Yeah, like a size-related issue.
Starting point is 00:41:54 Well, that's true. He is strong. Yeah. Yeah, that's not... But do you think if there was a grapple, Fat Bastard could choke out Mike Myers before? I think he could suffocate him. But he's got the mind. Yeah, if anything, that's going to work against Michael Myers' killer.
Starting point is 00:42:11 You'd suffocate him and you'd think you'd got him. Right. And you'd get off. Well, I guess that is one of Michael Myers' skills is you think he's dead. You think you got him. He's very good at playing possum ultimately. He can probably lower his heart rate or whatever. Let's not ascribe crazy. I'm just saying a lot of people think he's dead all the time possum, ultimately. He can probably lower his heart rate or whatever. Let's not ascribe crazy.
Starting point is 00:42:27 I'm just saying a lot of people think he's dead all the time. Yes, that's true. They put him in a body bag and stuff thinking he's dead in certain movies. That's true, yeah. So I think it's by far. And he's got a knife, I assume. Yeah, I mean, what might even happen is, you know, maybe Dr. Evil thinks he's shot Michael Myers to death,
Starting point is 00:42:48 but then a quick examination will reveal that it's a guy wearing a Michael Myers mask, but also like a ruffled velvet suit. And it turns out that Dr. Evil shot Austin Powers, you know what I mean? His brother. Yes. Oh my God, that's entirely possible. That's a classic Michael Myers move. It definitely is.
Starting point is 00:43:05 Is to put the mask on an orderly or something and break his larynx. So you think that it's Michael Myers, but it's not. It's really. It's Sam Rando. But do you think he's got time to do that on a football field? Do you think he's pulling that off? Yeah, he would just go around a corner. And by corner, I mean he'd go behind a goal post and do it.
Starting point is 00:43:20 Yeah, he probably would do it. Real quick switcheroo. I mean, that's another of his skills is that he's good at getting stuff done behind the scenes, running around. That's true. I just don't think that, I think probably the best chance would be Austin Powers because he's dealt with henchmen and things like that before. Abnormally strong and people with weird abilities.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Sure. Like he's seen that. Like the guy who throws the shoe and- Random task. Random task and whatever. Like the guy who throws the shoe and- Random task. Random task and whatever. Terrible guy in real life, that guy as well. So I think the only one who's probably stand any of a chance is Austin Powers, but I still don't think Austin Powers could, with his little gun-
Starting point is 00:43:56 Sure. Could kill Mike Myers. Yeah, right. Yeah. Is he a crack shot? Yeah, he's- Also, this one isn't horror at all. It's just a good movie.
Starting point is 00:44:02 No, it's not. Anyway, we should move on. I think it's Mike Myers. Okay. You can we should move on. I think it's Mike Myers. Okay. You can think a different thing. I think it's Michael Myers. Okay. This one's from Josh Curry.
Starting point is 00:44:10 That's who I meant. Whatever that one is. Yes. Yeah, God. Yeah, you know what I mean. The only genuine horror character in that first one. Yes, yes. Okay, cool.
Starting point is 00:44:17 This is from Josh Curry. He suggested Columbus and the Zombieland Bunch versus Rick Grimes and the Walking Dead game. Oh. Now, I don't know a lot about Rick Grimes, but you know way too much. You know more than you want to. I mean, it depends on the crew.
Starting point is 00:44:29 We're talking like original crew, I assume. What's the peak crew? Peak crew is probably, you probably get your Daryl Dixon, which is the guy with the crossbow. You're just going to say random names, aren't you? You probably get Michonne. He's got a,
Starting point is 00:44:42 okay, Daryl Dixon has a crossbow. Okay. It's, you know him. He's from Boondocks. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Michonne's got a samurai sword. Okay. Rick Gomes has a six-shooter.
Starting point is 00:44:54 Yep. One arm? Yeah, but not in his prime, he wouldn't. Okay, right. Also, if it's the TV version, no. I think it's the TV version. Okay, then no. He's got two arms.
Starting point is 00:45:03 So that's probably, you know, there's a few others in there that you could put in your Andrews, you could put in your Carl, who's a kid. Okay. But I think it seems from the movies that the Zombieland crew are better at dealing with zombies and conflict. They're very efficient, aren't they? They're smarter.
Starting point is 00:45:23 We talked about it last week. Especially from the new one. Yeah, uh-huh. zombies in conflict. They're very efficient, aren't they? And smarter. We talked about it last week. Especially for the new one. Yeah, uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Because the amount of times that they get surprised by slow-moving zombies or cornered or trapped or whatever, I mean, I know it's a different universe, but it's really to the detriment of the show and these characters who are supposed to be intelligent. Because they know they exist in a world where there are zombies around every corner, right? Yes. Yeah, right? Yes.
Starting point is 00:45:45 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And they're not running ever, but they still get surprised. They are the Walking Dead. They are the Walking Dead. But in the Zombieland universe, as we've seen, there are fast zombies. They're almost exclusively fast zombies, yeah. Fast and smart, but they're not fast and smart, the other one.
Starting point is 00:46:00 So I think based on that alone, and also the weaponry that the Zombieland guys have is like... It's full auto. And they've got like ridiculous cars and hideouts. Yeah, right. But they don't have any cars in this. There's no cars or hideouts in this. They've just got their stuff. Okay, but I guess my question here is,
Starting point is 00:46:17 they perceive the other team as a threat. Who goes to kill mode first? Well, Woody Harrelson, presumably, I'd imagine. Yeah, I guess the question here is, who breaks first? Because I think if one team turns to killing initially, like if one member of one team goes to killing, then the rest will follow suit. Yes.
Starting point is 00:46:35 Well, in The Walking Dead, things can very quickly escalate to like a full-blown riot attack. So there's a lot of tense showdowns. Less so much in Zombieland where they'll turn on other people it doesn't happen as much so i guess the zombie land crew are less equipped with dealing with actual people it's more zombies like they're not fighting marauders and yeah whatever as much but that being said like a crossbow is not as good as a machine gun um a samurai sword on a football field is fucking useless. Yes, correct.
Starting point is 00:47:06 So there's only if, like, you'd rule out really anybody who's... I guess my question would be if you, if one team encountered another group of survivors to what they assume is a, you know, a zombie strewn landscape, would they be like, well, we shouldn't kill these people because this maybe is all that is left? You don't think it's like kill or be killed in this world? Because I feel like it is.
Starting point is 00:47:32 Like I feel like, especially in The Walking Dead. See, I don't know a lot about The Walking Dead. It's a lot of like if you run across somebody, you're immediately suspicious and things will normally escalate. Right, okay. Because I would suggest the Zombieland crew are probably more trusting. Yeah, I agree with that. They're annoyed by people, ultimately. Like encountering anyone is annoying to them,
Starting point is 00:47:49 but they kind of appreciate the presence of another person. So I would suggest maybe the Walking Dead crew would move to kill mode first. But again, you're right, Samurai Sword and Crossbow. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying they couldn't take out some of the Zombieland crew. Jesse Eisenberg. Probably Jesse Eisenberg. But even like, I'd imagine Emma Stone would probably shoot first in this universe.
Starting point is 00:48:08 How well do the Zombieland rules work against regular human beings? Cardio. I mean, Jesse Eisenberg's going to go on the run first. How do you hit a man with a crossbow or a samurai sword when he's just running? Yeah, I mean, he's a good shot with a crossbow, but there's a reload period on that. That's true. And so, yeah, I still think it's, I'm not saying the Zombieland crew would survive.
Starting point is 00:48:28 They'd all survive. They probably wouldn't. Yeah, yeah, uh-huh. Abigail Breslin would probably, you know, she'd cop it. You know what I mean? She'd cop it. One of them would. One of them, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:36 At least. But I think it would be, and also the Walking Dead people would be, some one of them would go down and then all stop to be devastated Oh is that what happens on the show? Okay yeah yeah And then they'd be
Starting point is 00:48:49 Would they be like who are we? Yeah Maybe we're the real zombies Yeah okay right Yeah I think it's the Zombieland crew to be honest I love it And again they have machine guns Exactly
Starting point is 00:48:58 And they follow all the rules They'll double tap They'll double tap Rick Grimes You know they would They'll double tap the lady with the sword You know they would This is from Brent tap the lady with the sword. You know they would. This is from Brent on Patreon. Van Helsing.
Starting point is 00:49:08 Brent on Patreon. I love Brent on Patreon. He's so great. Yeah, did he invent Patreon? He did. Hence the name. Van Helsing. Let's say Hugh Jackman.
Starting point is 00:49:16 Of course. Or we could do Anthony Hopkins. No. Okay. Versus the Ghostbusters that he's written here, however many is fair. So I guess the four core Ghostbusters. You're not throwing in a Rick Moranis in there, are you? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:49:29 Do you think, I think Van Helsing, that would be a bloodbath. I think he would tear through those paunchy middle-aged men like nothing. Like it would be, he's got spinning blades and knives and swords. So this is Van Helsing at the start of Van Helsing. This is Van Helsing where he turns into a... Doesn't he turn into a monster? He turns into a werewolf. I guess technically that's in his prime when he's a werewolf.
Starting point is 00:49:51 Because there'd be no reason for the Ghostbusters to fight him if he's not a monster. I mean, yes, they wouldn't go lethal, would they? They'd have to wait until they see him do something to consider him a threat. Because they don't immediately shoot any of the villains when they see them at lethal, would they? They'd have to wait until they see him do something to consider him a threat. Yeah. Because they don't immediately shoot any of the villains when they see them at first, do they? There's like a question of what this is.
Starting point is 00:50:12 Sure, yeah. Whether it be Viggo or... You've got to check the PKE meter, obviously, first. And I think while they're doing that, he would probably kill them all. Yeah. I mean, because... And he's so fit, comparatively. That's true.
Starting point is 00:50:23 Like, there's not even... There's no comparison there between those two. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And mean, and he's so fit comparatively. That's true. There's no comparison there between those two. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And they're not, well, that's the thing, because the Ghostbusters are expecting, like when they go into a situation, they are probably expecting, you know.
Starting point is 00:50:35 They may not be afraid of no ghost. No, but they're probably expecting like, you know, vomit or lightning bolts or, you know, acid, something like that. I think they'd be... Here's the thing, though. They're also all terrible shots. Well, I was going to ask you, if a human being gets hit with a proton pack...
Starting point is 00:50:52 They'd die. So you'd explode? I think you'd burn to death. So if he's running at you across the football field, his leathers are flapping in the breeze, do you think they could hit him before he hits them? At their prime? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:07 Maybe they could hit him. Okay. Well, that's interesting. Yeah. Because, again... They're not exactly accurate, those things, either. No, they're all over the place. But if you watch the opening, the first major ghost bust in their first movie,
Starting point is 00:51:20 they're spraying the proton energy all over the place, and it's just... There's books going everywhere it's blasting the hotel to pieces kind of thing so they'd probably throw out a ghost trap and nothing would happen nothing would happen
Starting point is 00:51:31 he's not a ghost no yeah do you think he could dodge and roll and be throwing knives at the same time though yeah it's Van Helsing yeah he probably could right
Starting point is 00:51:39 it's early 2000s action superstar Hugh Jackman as Van Helsing yeah he's got that big hat. Yeah. Look, all I'm saying is like over an American football field distance, I don't think they could hit him with. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:52 I don't disagree with that because you're a bigger fan of Ghostbusters than I am. Yeah. I'm even a bigger fan of Ghostbusters than I am of Van Helsing. What? Which is intense. We've got to carry about a garbage Van Helsing. We sure do.
Starting point is 00:52:04 Maybe Invisible Man, I guess. That movie had so much promise for the first five minutes. Oh, my goodness. It's got to carry about a garbage van house thing. We sure do. Maybe Invisible Man, I guess. That movie had so much promise for the first five minutes. Oh, my goodness. It's got a good opening. What else have you got? Wait, hang on. I'm just cutting. He's too equipped and he's too fit.
Starting point is 00:52:16 Yeah. And he's killed things way scarier. But would he try and kill the Ghostbusters? Yes, if they're a threat. He's a murderer. I mean, he only kills monsters, though. Isn't that like a thing in that? Seems that way,usters. Yes. If they're a threat, he's a murderer. I mean, he only kills monsters, though. Isn't that like a thing in that? Seems that way, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:29 Yeah. But, I mean, would he perceive them as monsters if they're shooting lightning? He probably would. Oh, he might do. That's true, actually. Because he doesn't know that shit. Well, that's true. He doesn't know an unlicensed nuclear accelerator from a bloody witch, does he?
Starting point is 00:52:40 He'd probably think they're witches or warlocks. Yeah, that's right. He'd probably think they're warlocks. Yeah, okay, he'd probably kill them. Yes, it's Van Helsing Excellent, love it What do you got? What's next? Let me have a look
Starting point is 00:52:49 All decisions are final That's true This is from Callum Wiley Hello, Callum Ellen Ripley versus Sarah Connor That's a good one Okay He stipulated no weapons other than what they can find at the football stadium
Starting point is 00:53:01 But I disagree So grass Yeah, grass No, I think they should go in. With what they've got. Yeah. Sarah Connor's got that shotgun she racks with one arm. Yeah, sick.
Starting point is 00:53:10 Is that the weapon that she's known for, the shotgun? Well, that's the thing. She might have a syringe of liquid ruta. Yeah. Liquid ruta. Yeah. But you've got to get in pretty close. Plant killing chemical, that's true.
Starting point is 00:53:24 And you would have to be able to stab them and then put it in what if she's got some liquid neuter no very good
Starting point is 00:53:31 does neut come along does that mean Sigourney Weaver is saddled by neut on one arm I think so does that mean Sarah Connor's got
Starting point is 00:53:40 John Connor then or is pregnant yes one of the two let's play out let's nut this out and figure out which is the funniest thing to do okay John Connor then? Yes. Or is pregnant? Yes. One of the two. Let's say no. Let's play out. Let's nut this out and figure out
Starting point is 00:53:47 which is the funniest thing to do. Okay. Okay, I reckon Ripley has. The power loader, right? No, Ripley has. Okay, how about this? Oh, no, I feel that's. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:56 Or maybe. Look, I reckon at the very, at the bare minimum, Ripley has nude on one arm. The other hand, she's got the pulse rifle with the grenade launcher on the flamethrower tape to it.
Starting point is 00:54:04 Okay, gotcha. She's got that. rifle with the grenade launcher on the flamethrower tape to it okay she's got that and sarah connor would have uh a shotgun she'd have the the liquid neuter obviously and she'd have the bed frame that she does pull-ups on in the mental asylum she's got she'd just be using the goalpost for that oh yeah she would need to bring that with her just like i'll leave this at home okay she's doing the pull-ups yeah and then there's a flash and she's doing the bomb and then she and then there's a flashing light. She's doing them on there, and then she's on there. Okay, here's the thing about these characters. Sarah Connor is expertly trained. Yes.
Starting point is 00:54:33 And strength-wise, I think if you looked at that alone, she's more confident. That's true. I don't think that necessarily means she wins against a flamethrower slash rocket launcher slash yeah uh-huh uh alan ripley yeah what do you think also i think also we're not doing the weird xenomorph mix one oh yeah no you're right i but yeah nobody cares about that one no i think it's it's and surely she's the most powerful when their maternal instincts kick in exactly oh that's
Starting point is 00:54:59 what this is maternalistic versus maternal instinct oh my god it didn't occur to me i guess it would be that both of them think the other person is a threat to their child they're protecting. Okay, so in this scenario, Newt and John Connor, Edward Furlong and John Connor are cowering behind the goalposts at each end. Very good. And that is the mission there is what, they don't know what the other one's going to do. And we're talking Amelia Clark, Sarah Connor. Yes.
Starting point is 00:55:23 No, we're talking Linda Hamilton. I was watching some clips of that movie today. No, we're talking Linda Hamilton. I was watching some clips of that movie today. I was telling him before the show. It's pretty good, right? Fuck, it's good. It's such a good movie. So I think the only advantage of Ripley would have in this situation over Sarah Connor is the weapon that she has.
Starting point is 00:55:37 Super high tech. I think if she had the power loader, that wouldn't do her any favours. No, if anything, if she had the power loader, I think Sarah Connor would see that and flip her lid and be like, oh, it's a new Terminator. It's a new Hunter-Killer.
Starting point is 00:55:48 Let's get rid of this. You can't exactly like sprint in that thing. No. And it's good for taking down like a big snappy alien. Yeah. But it's not good
Starting point is 00:55:55 for taking down a person with a shotgun. I mean, look, hypothetically speaking, if she had the power loader, Sarah Connor runs up behind the back, sticks the liquid Rooter
Starting point is 00:56:02 in her neck. That's right. And she's done. She says, you're rooted, mate. She says, you're rooted. Fire's right. And she's done. Says you're rooted, mate. She says you're rooted. Fires guns in the air. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:10 So I think it's the gun. I think it's the could Sarah Connor avoid on an open field. Is Ellen Ripley a good shot? I mean, yeah. She's good enough. I mean, she's got a lot of bullets. Yeah. Okay, she's got 99 bullets because that's how many the pulse rifle holds.
Starting point is 00:56:27 Does it? It says 99 on it. Okay, right. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, right. And then you've got the flamethrower backup slash the grenade launcher. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:33 Would she go immediately to the grenade launcher or would she use the 99 bullets? Do you not think she could hit her with 99 bullets? A shotgun's also not great over long distance. Well, that's true. But the liquid router is. You can't believe it. If you threw it accurately enough. Sarah. Well, that's true. But the liquid router is. You can't believe it. If you threw it
Starting point is 00:56:46 accurately enough. Sarah Connor's got that killer instinct. I agree, but I think with the distance and that weapon, I think if Sarah Connor had a machine gun,
Starting point is 00:56:56 then maybe it would be different. But when did she ever have a machine gun is the question. I'm sure she's had a machine gun. In the back of the van
Starting point is 00:57:02 when the T-1000 has the helicopter and she's like... She doesn't have the van, does she? No, she doesn't. Yeah. Is the shotgun her most iconic weapon? I think the shotgun is her most iconic weapon, right?
Starting point is 00:57:10 And she's great at the middle distance. She's got that. She's got that bong arm. She'll shoot that T-1000, yeah. You know it. But you're right. I think even if she somehow avoids 99 bullets from a distance. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:22 Maybe she's not even expecting that flamethrower to go off. Yeah. You know what I mean? And she probably doesn't think that thing also, because she's also from the 90s, she doesn't think that thing would also have a flamethrower slash grenade launcher in it. So I think for that reason alone, it's Alan Ripley.
Starting point is 00:57:36 I'm not happy about it. Because I think Sarah Connor and a different circumstance would win that any day of the week. All decisions final. Yes, that's correct. Again, this is one that I've picked that is not both. There we bloody go. If you don't mind.
Starting point is 00:57:53 Maybe we should have gone Sarah Connor. Traditionally, she's from a horror movie being the Terminator. Yes. But that's not peak Sarah Connor, so I think it's fair. I mean, Ellen Ripley, Circa Aliens versus Sarah Connor Terminator 1, not a fair fight. I guess technically the first Alien is also, you'd pick that version of Ripley. Yeah, maybe.
Starting point is 00:58:12 Because that's really the horror movie. That's true. I guess. Gregor says Chucky, presumably the Cursed Doll one, versus Buzz Lightyear. Yeah, okay. Buzz Lightyear, none of his weapons are real. That is true, yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:26 And I guess... And he's dumb. And he's dumb. Any version. Yeah. I mean, would it be a benefit to him if it was the version that knew he was a toy? Presumably. It would, yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:37 Because otherwise he's just... Yeah, that's peak Buzz. Yeah. And then at least maybe he could find some creative solutions. I don't think Buzz would kill another toy. No, that's true. He'd try and maybe sway him away from his evil path. Yeah, but Chucky would just tear through that car.
Starting point is 00:58:51 What does Chucky want, though? What has Chucky got? I know he wants murders, but, I mean, is there any way that Buzz Lightyear could maybe give him something he wants that isn't murders? I'm going to look up Chucky real fast, and I'm going to see if maybe Chucky needs, like, does he need a magic amulet or something like that depending on i mean sometimes he wants a child or whatever sure um oh well buzz light you would absolutely give him a
Starting point is 00:59:15 child yeah the thing about chucky is mason yes i just kick him oh absolutely yeah i mean when presented with that problem you would just you would just kick him. Is Chunky strong? He seems to be as strong as a normal human man, as I understand. Well, that's way stronger than Buzz Lightyear, then. Okay, so Chunky is portrayed as a notorious serial killer, absolutely, whose spirit inhabits a good guy's doll. I'm assuming the appliance store. Come in and see the good, good, good guys.
Starting point is 00:59:42 And continuously tries to transfer his soul from the doll to a human body. So if Buzz could find a human body on the field, which he can't. No. And I don't think he'd be willing to do that because he's a hero. How about this, though? I'm ready. Buzz has come with Andy. Andy's brought Buzz along.
Starting point is 01:00:00 I don't think Andy would sacrifice, Buzz would sacrifice Andy. Also, Buzz wouldn't work if Andy's there. Oh. No, but he, I mean, but that's not a, that's only a rule. That's not a law of the universe. So he could operate. That's true, but I don't know whether, do you think he'd snap it? I think he'd clock Andy and knock him out.
Starting point is 01:00:20 So he could get this fight done. With karate chop action. Yeah, with karate chop action. Do you think, though, that Buzz would step in to save? I think the only advantage of that situation, if Buzz is coming with Andy, Chucky isn't focusing on Buzz because he thinks he's a toy, just a regular toy.
Starting point is 01:00:37 And so while he goes for Andy, is there a way that Buzz could disable Chucky? That's a really good question. Because he'd probably be looking for a switch or a battery or something, but he doesn't have any of that. Doesn't he? No. I mean, even if he did,
Starting point is 01:00:51 I don't think if he pulled out Chucky's batteries, which I don't think he has, it wouldn't matter. That's true. He's still a cursed demon doll or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think Buzz would be looking for an off switch or to switch him to a Spanish Chucky. But he couldn't because that's not how he works.
Starting point is 01:01:07 That's true. Brad Duref is in there. Yeah. You always got to watch out for Brad Duref. Buzz can't fly. He's got no weapons. That's true. He's not a killer and he can't match him in strength.
Starting point is 01:01:18 That is true. So I just don't think it's there anyway. I'm not, I'm not, look, I'm this, this is death for both Buzz and Andy in this instance. And they should have come better prepared.
Starting point is 01:01:28 But. They should have known. They should have known. They should have known this was going to happen. They should have known they were going to be matched up with a murderous doll is all I'm saying. You know what I mean? I think if it was all the toys from Toy Story, they could. They could pin him, I think.
Starting point is 01:01:40 They could pin him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like chop him up with scissors or something. Yeah, something like that, yeah. But it isn't. It isn't. So look, all we can hope for is he distracts Chucky long enough for Andy to get away. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:53 Then he's dismembered and then the rest of the crew come and kill Chucky. Okay, yeah. They render him into tiny little pieces. Buzz works. Toys can work in pieces. So I don't know whether that would be an advantage. Probably not. Yeah, no.
Starting point is 01:02:05 But it's, you know, you can operate if you separate. Some can. I think this is a loss for Buzz, but I think the Revenge film would be spectacular. Oh, Toy Story 6 or whatever they do it. Okay, excellent. What's up, Mason? Oh, let's find another one.
Starting point is 01:02:20 What's up, dog? Okay. Look, this one, I don't think there's an answer, but I just wanted to put it in. This is from Scott Coventry. Samara from The Ring versus Arnim Zola. Just two TVs sitting facing each other on a football field. Well, Samara,
Starting point is 01:02:36 how would she even... What's she going for? If Arnim Zola accidentally played The Ring, the video, would it infect his core systems? Is he even capable of playing a video? He can play USB. Good point, actually.
Starting point is 01:02:49 And he can play probably a reel-to-reel projection of some sort. He can probably play a video. Play a VCR? You think maybe they upgraded him at some point? Presumably also The Ring wasn't always on a VCR. It was probably on another thing. Because it happened a long time ago or whatever, wasn't it? Probably it was on Betamax which had a high quality as we know
Starting point is 01:03:05 might have been on Laserdisc you used to go into the theatre and someone would play the piano while you watched the woman come out we're going to watch the ring look out! it's got the text on the screen we don't have to discuss this I don't know where to start
Starting point is 01:03:23 we have a lot of Samara versus people. Okay. I think we got... She's invincible unless you get the core of her being and soul or something, right? Do you remember that one where it was like... The first one where it's like, well, if we go and we find her body or whatever... And we love her.
Starting point is 01:03:42 She'll return to the afterlife or whatever. She's like, I just love murdering. Yeah, she didn't care. I'm just a big fan of murdering. Do you think the movie still holds up? Yeah, probably. I'm talking about the American one. I haven't seen the American one.
Starting point is 01:03:53 No, I knew what you meant. And I think so. The ring was the well, was the top of the well she was in. Yes. Good. That freaked me the fuck out when I first saw that movie. Yeah. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:04:04 Let's say Adam Zola, if he's got a big smashy robot, like in the comics. Okay, sure. Which he wouldn't have. Well, what Samara has in fact in it is Arnim Zola's TV has big arse blades. I don't think she'd even know what to make of that. Yeah. She's from a completely different time period. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:20 She's a weird ghost TV woman. Would she climb into the TV with him that's a good point and spook him in there also arnum zola has no fear of death and he can call in an airstrike he would at least and he's probably got a backup he's got yeah so i don't think if he's if just one part like is it just one tv that's transported there because the rest of him's back in bloody marvel hq or whatever one tv but he does have some sort of cable connection to something okay fair yeah i think it's i think they're both gonna die but it's because arnab zola brings in an airstrike yeah okay what about this cody walter
Starting point is 01:04:54 says current day it so it's the one who can turn into a big spider versus the previous version of the adults so the early 90s version of the adults who just tip over that spider and just like stab him a bit. That new spider with the clown head would tear through those people. It would be an absolute massacre. They'd go to tip him over and he'd just be cut in half. That fight would go like single digits in seconds. Just one death per second. I can't imagine.
Starting point is 01:05:29 No, they were thoroughly unprepared for the one that they faced. Yeah. Yeah, let alone the one who could sprint. Yeah. The modern day good one. Yeah, the good one. The one with the budget behind it. The one with the budget behind it.
Starting point is 01:05:44 I've also got Ripley versus Sarah Connor. Was yours from Kyle as well? I can't remember. What's next, Mason? What's next is, look, there's going to be a couple of doubles. There's going to be some doubling up. Sure. But this one is from Sean Gallagher.
Starting point is 01:06:03 It says The Thing from The Thing versus It from It. So this is a battle of terribly named monsters. Absolutely. We'll say modern day It. I got that from Joe here as well. Yeah, so, oh man. A lot of these are just novelty. Yes.
Starting point is 01:06:16 Like we got The Fog versus The Mist, which I maintain we should do. I don't even know where to start with that. Well, look, The Mist is an interdimensional portal. It came from an interdimensional portal portal which also brought with it a bunch of horrible monsters and apparently the fog is a German death metal band. So I imagine it's probably the mist.
Starting point is 01:06:33 But if the mist rolls in, does it have its monsters? It has its monsters, yeah. It's not just a mist. Well I mean, if you're just saying you'd be like, oh this is humid. But if it's just a mist but the mist comes with the things. The mist comes with the monsters, yeah. And the fog comes with their roadies, obviously. this is humid. But if it's just a mist. Yeah. But the mist comes with the things. Mist comes with the monsters, yeah. And the fog comes with their roadies, obviously. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:06:47 Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, so, yeah, the mist. But anyway, the thing versus it. Yes. Well, interesting. Does the thing fear anything? No, it's just a survivor. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:59 I don't think, I mean, it can mimic fear. I mean, it fears fire. Yeah. And I guess it would know that. But it can use imaginary fire. Right. It could also start a fire, presumably. Yes, but I don't know if it could actually.
Starting point is 01:07:15 It's not the spider version. Oh, it doesn't arrive as a spider. I assume it just arrives as a clown. Right. And what does the thing arrive as? Does it have a body? Let's say it arrives as the dog. Okay, sure. Because that's the first thing we see. I don't think it matters what the thing arrives as? Does it have a body? Let's say it arrives as the dog. Okay, sure.
Starting point is 01:07:26 Because that's the first thing we see. I don't think it matters what the thing arrives as. No, that's true. I think it's irrelevant. Okay, it arrives as the dog. So obviously it would be like, what's a dog fear? Lightning. Fire crackers.
Starting point is 01:07:38 I'll turn it into some fire crackers. But then the thing is, well, here's the thing. Because the thing, maybe it thinks the thing is afraid of fire because it's a dog. Yeah. Oh, you don't think it can like read its soul and like, what's going on with this? I don't know. Because it seems to know your innermost fear,
Starting point is 01:07:55 even if you don't speak them out loud. Because it's like, I know you're gay, Richie. That's true. And it's like, yeah. So in this instance, it knows that the thing is gay. That's right, yeah. Okay, right. But the thing doesn't care That's right, yeah. Okay, right. But the thing doesn't care.
Starting point is 01:08:06 It's not important. The thing is everything and all things. The thing is non-binary because it can turn into anything. It doesn't give a shit at all. Yeah. I reckon that, I don't know. Don't you have to perform like a weird ritual? I guess.
Starting point is 01:08:19 No, if anything, the thing is going to provide the standard defeat of it, which is to beat it to death. That's just the – just hit it with something big. I guess the thing also wouldn't really need deception. It would be – it would pretty quickly figure out – also it can grow from like a drop of blood. Yeah. And it's also not – it would be – I'd imagine –
Starting point is 01:08:42 I always imagine these as night games. I don't know whether you oh no day for me really isn't that interesting yeah i always imagine like friday night lights kind of situation but i don't think it would be cold enough where the thing would be bothered by it no does this in order to get bigger does the thing have to consume something i don't know okay i get probably i don't know grass like a cow. Could it eat grass like a cow? Well, I mean, so it's all living matter. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:10 So presumably, I guess. Yeah, right, okay. I don't know what... I guess it takes advantage of whatever it has because the thing about the thing in the movie The Thing is it's in the Arctic and there's not a lot there. Do you think the thing could absorb the clown? Yes. And, like, its biology would override the interdimensional clown biology.
Starting point is 01:09:28 I think it could chomp it real good. Yeah, sure. Yeah. And again, though, this version of the thing, like the Viet, you don't. It's hard to keep track, isn't it? Yeah. People I assume know what I'm talking about. It's the clown.
Starting point is 01:09:40 The thing is the dog currently. Yeah. Like you said, you could beat it to death. It wouldn't perform a ritual. And if it's not scared, which thing is the dog currently. Yes, yes, yes. Like you said, you could beat it to death. It wouldn't perform a ritual. And if it's not scared, which it probably wouldn't be, it would overcome it that way. Yeah. I'm feeling that it would come at the thing with some sort of fire situation.
Starting point is 01:10:01 But it's not real. It could start a fire, surely, couldn't it? I guess. I don't know. And then the thing would cower and or maybe go dormant. Yeah. For centuries. This is a long haul one.
Starting point is 01:10:16 And then eventually it would get a bit curious and be like, what's going on with this dead dog? And then the dog's body would just open up into a big set of jaws and just chomp its head off, I think I feel. Yeah. I might give this to the thing.
Starting point is 01:10:29 I think I'm going to give it to the thing. The thing is so adaptable. The other thing is the rules of- The other thing. Yeah, well, the rules of these guys, especially Pennywise, they're so vague. Yeah, right. Like what can they do and what's real and what's not.
Starting point is 01:10:42 Again, if it's a battle over for centuries. Yeah. I mean, they've both done it, haven't they? Yeah, absolutely. But I mean, I guess it will eventually come back because you can't kill it unless you do the ritual. No, but the ritual counts for jack shit, remember? You just have to scream at it that you're not afraid.
Starting point is 01:11:01 Yeah. Which the thing could probably do. I think it could, yeah. Oh, yeah, I forgot. It can also turn into a thing that can speak. It can do anything. It Yeah. Well, yeah. Which the thing could probably do. I think it could, yeah. Oh, yeah, I forgot. It can also turn into a thing that can speak. It can do anything. It can do anything, really. Yeah, I think I'm going to give it to the thing.
Starting point is 01:11:10 I think there's elements of Pennywise. We should have just called it that from the start. There's elements of Pennywise that are supernatural. So there's some uncertainty there in terms of how this would work, but I still think the thing is. Do you think the thing is tricked by illusions? That's a good question. Well, see, I wonder how...
Starting point is 01:11:30 Because Pennywise is an alien creature, and so is the thing. Yeah. So is the thing immune to anything that it can put out? You know what I mean? Pennywise is more dimensional than... Alien, I guess. Alien, I guess. Yeah, so I don't know. Also, doesn't the thing turn into a real big monster at one point? Pennywise is more dimensional than Alien I guess That's probably true I guess Yeah so
Starting point is 01:11:45 I don't know Also doesn't the thing Turn into a real big monster At one point Just a mass of flesh Yeah I reckon if he turns into that Pennywise is done To be honest
Starting point is 01:11:54 Just gaping mouths Pennywise would be the spider But Yeah You can You can stab the thing And it doesn't matter Doesn't seem to care
Starting point is 01:12:01 Doesn't care Also like if you If you belt Pennywise With a big stick It seems to hurt him a lot. He's like, ow. Remember when he wasn't afraid in the basement and he's choking him to death?
Starting point is 01:12:10 He's choking that zombie to death in the new one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he escaped by vomiting? That would do nothing. That's true. I mean, it would shoot fire, but it's not real fire, I assume. I don't know. I don't know what part of Pennywise is supposed to be real.
Starting point is 01:12:24 What about this one Mason Yes This is from David Dracula Untold Versus Tom Cruise Mummy Two classic horror movie icons Oh my god The match up we were always meant to see
Starting point is 01:12:35 But we never did That's true God damn So presumably Tom Cruise is the mummy Yeah Kiss a man to death What abilities did he have He could kiss a person to death But can he kiss a man who's already undead to death Do you think Tom Cruise. Kiss a man to death? What abilities did he have? He could kiss a person to death,
Starting point is 01:12:45 but can he kiss a man who's already undead to death? Do you think Tom Cruise would kiss a man, or would he be too afraid? Like, you would worry about the public perception of him. Oh, that's a really good question. I mean, technically it's not Tom Cruise. It's... I was going to say Jack Reacher, but it's probably...
Starting point is 01:12:58 No, I was going to say Carter Pentecost, but I don't know. No. Let me check just quickly. Okay, cool. Chad Boxcutter is his name. Nick Morton. Oh, not bad. intercost but i don't know let me check just quickly okay cool chad box cutter i think it's his name uh nick morton oh not bad all right okay um and dracula's dracula dracula can turn into a fist of bats that's true they're both immortal ish yeah i mean if it's a day game it's over isn't it
Starting point is 01:13:21 but then again yeah the dracula can go into the sun because he does at the end of the movie. Yeah, and that's peak Dracula. I mean, also, that's like, is he not as strong? Because the Bram Stoker one could do that as well. That's true, yeah. What does this mean, Mason? What does it mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:38 Yeah. Dracula is good with swords. Yep. Tom Cruise is good with having a- Full of sand, probably. Yeah. But could you kill Tom Cruise is good with having a- Full of sand, probably. Yeah. But could you kill Tom Cruise with a sword in real life, even? Real Tom Cruise, no.
Starting point is 01:13:50 Absolutely not. It'd absorb it like the T-1000. I think so, yeah. Okay, let's say you've got a big sword and you chop Tom Cruise as the mummy. What happens? I don't know. I don't know. We'll have to fill in some blanks.
Starting point is 01:14:01 He can also bring people back from the dead. But who's he going to bring back from the dead? The guy from New Girl? Again? Unlikely. He already dids. He can also bring people back from the dead. But who's he going to bring back from the dead? The guy from New Girl? Again? Unlikely. He already did that. He's not doing it again. Whatever that guy's name is.
Starting point is 01:14:10 Probably should know. Jake Johnson. These are bad movies. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Especially the Tom Cruise one because I have no idea. He's got a big chompy mouth. He could summon some birds.
Starting point is 01:14:24 I'm assuming he's got all the powers that the mummy did. Yeah, but Dracula could summon like a bat or turn into bats also. And he can fly. That's true. Okay, well, obviously we're going to have some birds fighting some bats up in the sky because they've summoned that. And while that's happening, they're kissing. Yes, there's some bird bat situation going on up here.
Starting point is 01:14:44 Yeah. But can Dracula summon bats or does he only turn into bats? I think he can do both. Yeah, he's a Dracula. Yeah, he's a Dracula. I mean, the traditional powers of a Dracula is you can do that. You can change the weather as well. So I think maybe that would not.
Starting point is 01:14:58 Well, the mummy can roll in a sandstorm. Yeah, see. But to what end? Well, to get rid of the, yeah. The bats? To get rid of the bats, sure. Probably would work. But I guess it being daytime or nighttime is largely irrelevant
Starting point is 01:15:09 if you can change the weather and bring in some some class. I didn't know Dracula could change the... He can change the weather. I didn't know that. He's very vague. Yeah. His abilities are quite vague. This new one can change the...
Starting point is 01:15:18 Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Probably. Maybe that's how he's hanging out in the daytime. Yeah, that's true. He's a bit overcast. That's not bad. I mean, that last scene did look quite dreary. So maybe that's what he's hanging out in the daytime. Yeah, that's true. He's a bit overcast. That's not bad. I mean, that last scene did look quite dreary.
Starting point is 01:15:28 So maybe that's what he's doing. I think that was just your mood. Maybe. Remember when we could have interviewed the cast from Dracula? Oh, my God. We could have... Oh, my God. We'd still be talking about it.
Starting point is 01:15:41 I mean, I guess we'd still talk about it regardless. We'd still be dying out on it. It'd be amazing. I hate this one. Okay, well, who wins then? Dracula, because I like it slightly more. Yeah, the same, yeah. But that's only a personal preference. Yeah, look, I imagine Dracula would just chop him into pieces
Starting point is 01:15:57 and then put the pieces, you know, arrange them, make a sand castle out of him. Yeah, that's nice. Is he filled with sand? I don't know. We'll never know. We'll never know. We'll never know because we don't know what he ultimately turned into. Does Tom Cruise have Russell Crowe?
Starting point is 01:16:10 Yes. And he's drunk. And he's spoiling for a fist fight. But it's not Dr. Jekyll, it's just regular Russell Crowe. That's more dangerous, I think. Yeah. But even if it was Dr. Jekyll. He's got that thing.
Starting point is 01:16:23 He's just slightly stronger. Slightly green? Yeah. I mean, you was Dr. Jekyll. He's got that thing. He's just slightly stronger. And slightly green? Yeah. I mean, you're going to fight a Dracula with that? The original Dr. Jekyll had like a drink. Yeah. This new guy's got like a canister that you've got to load like eight cylinders in.
Starting point is 01:16:37 Yeah. It was a, yeah. Ridiculous. It's a bad idea. Yeah. You'd put it on a belt that's under your shirt or whatever. And you just push a button.
Starting point is 01:16:49 I think probably we should have gone like Gary Oldman, Dracula versus Armand Vosloo, the mummy. Yeah, right, okay. I'd probably be able to handle that. We can do that now. I can't. Armand Vosloo is filled with sand, I would say, and beetles. Yeah, sand and beetles. And scarabs and stuff. You can unhinge. Adam Boslu is filled with sand, it would seem, and beetles. Yeah, sand and beetles. And scarabs and stuff.
Starting point is 01:17:07 You can unhinge his jaw like a snake. Gary Oldman is a warrior, obviously. They're both warriors in a way. I did not know this, but apparently that version, that Bram Stoker's Dracula, it has no... It's all practical. Yeah, there's no special effects that could not have been achieved at the time when they were making old Dracula movies.
Starting point is 01:17:24 That's amazing. Sam, it's not a better movie. Yeah, it's true. But apparently a lot of people these days complain, oh, the CGI in that movie is so bad. Oh, really? Yeah, they're like, oh my God, that's the problem with that movie, the CGI is so bad.
Starting point is 01:17:35 There wasn't any. Yeah. No, there's definitely some good stuff in that movie on the whole. And I love that Simpsons episode with Mr Burns. He's got that haircut. Yeah, yeah. I love that. Anyway, the Dracula ratio. We're going with the whole. And I love that Simpsons episode with Mr Burns. He's got that haircut. Yeah, yeah. I love that. Anyway, the Dracula race.
Starting point is 01:17:49 We're going with the Dracula. Yeah. I think a Dracula wins in most situations, unless there's very specific circumstances. Also, you need, like, a weird specific curse in a book. Dracula's probably got that book in his castle. Oh, yeah. But he doesn't have it on him.
Starting point is 01:18:03 No. Oh, to un-mummify the mummy yeah yeah but he could probably fly back and get it he'd probably get some bats to get it for him yeah that's true so it's just are they just waiting for various books and they keep they keep bringing different books and he'd be like come on it's the mummy summoning books yeah as well not the country women's associated mum'sbook. That's not what I wanted. I want the mummy book. The Book of the Dead.
Starting point is 01:18:28 Not the mummy blogger's book. You keep bringing me the wrong book, Bats. You silly Bats. What's the next one? Let me find one. Here we go. Oh, okay. Speaking of the thing, this is from Ethan Safi.
Starting point is 01:18:42 Mac McCready from The Thing versus Ash from The Evil Dead. Which one's Mac? It's Kurt Russell. Oh, I have no idea what anyone's called in that movie. Okay, right, yeah. But I love it. Yep. Well, you know more about Ash than I do.
Starting point is 01:18:54 He's got a chainsaw for him. He's got his chainsaw hand. And a shoddy. And a shoddy. Yeah. Then him. But. But.
Starting point is 01:19:00 Yeah. McCready's drunk. Kurt Russell. He's drunk and he has a flamethrower. That's true, yeah. And that's a wild man. Like, he is. Yeah. He's on the edge. And he has a flamethrower That's true And that's a wild man Like he is Yeah
Starting point is 01:19:06 He's on the edge And he'd have to be on the edge right Yeah Because I reckon he's pulled out of Battling the thing Mid drunk with the flamethrower I reckon you know I reckon he's been pulled out
Starting point is 01:19:16 From right at the end Oh okay You know where He's got It's him and the last guy Yeah yeah You don't know if the other guy's the thing What's happening there
Starting point is 01:19:24 Which one of them is the thing Never know According to some people It is the other guy. You don't know if the other guy's the thing. What's happening there? Which one of them is the thing? Never know. According to some people, it is the other guy. Because of the eyes or something? No, it's because Kurt Russell pours like a cup of gasoline and gives it to the guy. That's what some people are saying. And the guy drinks from it and he's the thing. He wouldn't know any different.
Starting point is 01:19:43 But if he was a human, he'd be like, blah. He'd be like, blah. Blah. Oh, my my god he's a dracula he's summoning books oh my goodness uh yeah i mean that's a fan theory though isn't it yeah i think there is a sequel it's the game so what happens aren't they both not in the game i don't know keith david what are you up to yeah right right in um So do you think Ash... Okay, peak Ash, so like Evil Dead 3? I haven't seen it. Okay, Evil Dead 3. Is that Shotgun?
Starting point is 01:20:12 Yeah, that's Shotgun Chainsaw Hand. That's the premiere of the Chainsaw Hand. Three's the time travel one, though, isn't it? Three's the time travel hand, yeah. He doesn't have any weaponry like that. No, he's got everything in his car. He's got the shotty. In the past?
Starting point is 01:20:22 Yeah, his car went back in time. Oh, wow, so he's probably with his car then. He might have his car with him. Well, that's got everything in his car. He's got the shotty. In the past? Yeah. His car went back. His car went back in time. Oh, wow. So he's probably with his car then. He might have his car with him. Well, that means that Kurt Russell gets the thing. Okay, sure. Yep. No.
Starting point is 01:20:34 So, okay, if it's just, well, is Ash, I mean, neither of them are technically fighters, soldiers. Or good at their job. Or good at their jobs. Well, by the end of three, Ash is pretty good at fighting because he's fighting the dead. He's been back in time. He's fighting an army of the dead.
Starting point is 01:20:50 So he's pretty good. What if Kurt Russell is actually the thing, though? Is there a chance that that's... But he wouldn't be fighting the thing if he was the thing, would he? Well, this is it. But it's the end of the thing. This is the end of the thing, so maybe he is the thing. Oh, man.
Starting point is 01:21:04 Okay, let's... Okay. Oh, man. Okay, let's, okay. Oh, man. Here's what we're doing. We're flipping a coin. I have an Australian 50 cent piece. Okay, heads, he's normal Mac. I love this. Tails, he's the thing.
Starting point is 01:21:16 And then we determine. What if you're the thing and you cheat? Oh, my God. Which one did I say? Heads, he's normal. Tails, he's the thing. Okay. Heads, it's normal McCready.
Starting point is 01:21:25 Okay. It's Ash. All right. This has got a shotty and a chainsaw in the hand. He's got a shotty and a chainsaw, yeah. Uh-huh. Also, I think the flamethrower was out of gas at that point. Also, it's like short distance.
Starting point is 01:21:33 It wouldn't matter. Also, I don't think. Also, it's a man with a chainsaw, Fran. It's a man with a chainsaw, and I don't think Ash would stop even if he was on fire. Yeah, actually, that's a really good. He'd probably still die as a result. He kind of went like super
Starting point is 01:21:46 crazy go nuts mad at the end of 2 and I think he stayed mostly insane for that and most of Ash vs Evil Dead so I think
Starting point is 01:21:53 yeah and at that point like you said I think if you've just pulled Mac out from the end of the thing yeah he's like
Starting point is 01:22:01 I cannot even like I don't think he was just there to kill the thing that's in his that's that's kind of unfair to pull out that version of him then but what i'm saying is at that point if he's like man i'm so glad i escaped the thing and then a lunatic with a shotgun and a chainsaw came at him he'd be like i'm gonna kill this guy if i have to kill one more guy to get out of this situation i will kill absolutely kill that guy. So he's got the rage behind him, I think.
Starting point is 01:22:26 He'll do it. And he's drunk. And he's drunk. But I think it's probably Ash because of the chainsaw hand. But he's got that bottle, doesn't he? It's true, yeah. Yeah, but that's not enough because Ash has a chainsaw hand. Oh, but I mean, you know, you crack a flammable substance
Starting point is 01:22:40 over a man's head, the chainsaw's running. But you'd have to get close to him. You'd be in chainsaw distance to break it over his head. You'd have to throw it and hit him. And I don't think it'd stop him even if you did hit him. Yeah, maybe that's probably true. Okay, yeah. It's probably our share.
Starting point is 01:22:54 What about this one? It's from Andy. Terminator versus Gremlins. Okay. So Gremlins from Gremlins 2, where they're all weird novelty Gremlins. They could do funny voices. There was a spider Gremlin.
Starting point is 01:23:07 One was a bat. Electric Gremlin. Yep. Bat Gremlin versus the Terminator. Yeah. From the Terminator? I think it has to be from the Terminator. Not two?
Starting point is 01:23:17 No, because that, look, I feel because maybe the Terminator is the horror one. Okay, fair enough. Yeah. Plus, what's the difference? Well, one's a learning one and one's not. One's read only. And one's... Gremlins.
Starting point is 01:23:31 What's he going to do? Accidentally feed them after midnight because he didn't read the book? Well, he's going to learn how to defeat them on the fly. Like he's going to adapt. But I guess the other one can also... The Terminator would have... He's got an Uzi 9mm. He's got that gun with the laser sight on it.
Starting point is 01:23:47 He's got a sweet jacket on. He's got big sunnies. The Terminator would being a read-only model, would have no idea what any of that was. Are there any bulletproof? No. One's a kissy lady. One's a bat. He would machine gun that kissy lady.
Starting point is 01:24:04 Yeah, but... He would tear that spider's legs off. Also, I guess it's a night game for this one, I assume. I mean, if it's horror themed, it should be a night game, right? Yeah, okay, you're right. Okay, sorry, let's while... Okay, non-horror versions of the showdown, it's daytime. For spooky horror versions of the showdown, it's nighttime. It's nighttime, fair, yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:20 I mean, the Terminator's another hint all there, whether it's nighttime, obviously. That's true. Yeah, so the Terminator's got... I mean, he'd look ridiculous with the sunglasses on at nighttime, though, obviously. But that's the thing. You can't eviscerate.
Starting point is 01:24:29 You don't have to just be nighttime. It'd just be daytime to kill gremlins. You can put one in a blender. You can put them apart. So how many gremlins are we talking here? Do you think they'd be climbing all over him, like pulling out his eyes and they're not that strong no but like that i guess even if they got all his skin off yep they
Starting point is 01:24:52 probably couldn't defeat their the skeleton right that's true and also look and again this is terminator one terminator so he doesn't have like a self-destructing core to him or anything like that. No. And even if you, like, what are they going to do, blow his legs off? No. They don't have the skills. Maybe that one will dress as a lady and seduce him. It's true. Give him lots of big kisses. Yeah, yeah, maybe.
Starting point is 01:25:17 But he's read only, so he couldn't learn to love. That's true, and then he'd self-destruct, wouldn't he? Yeah. Hang on, I'm going to look up all the various I'm going to look up the The various The various gremlins Also one of those gremlins in Gremlins 2
Starting point is 01:25:31 Is super intelligent The brain gremlin yes Voiced by Tony Randall Yes but is that enough? Like would he be able to be like Well this is clearly a cyborg Oh The way you defeat a cyborg
Starting point is 01:25:42 I guess the Terminator appears naked and in one of those electric balls. That's true, yeah. And the Gremlins were just watching a movie. They're like... They've all got popcorn. You know what they have? You know what? They all have pop culture knowledge of the movie The Terminator.
Starting point is 01:25:59 I guess they would. I reckon they'd peel all their skin off. Yes, uh-huh. They'd be able to do that, but I still think he's still a skeleton and you're still like a little Boglin person. Was the electric gremlin in Gremlins 2 or am I just thinking of the video game No, that was 2.
Starting point is 01:26:17 No, he was. Okay, right. That might make a difference, actually. I reckon maybe the electric gremlin can drop him. Yeah. Again, if he's got no skin on. Well, as we know from Sarah Connor Chronicles, which we recently did, and Caravan of Garbage coming up, if you can knock a Terminator out for like a minute and a half,
Starting point is 01:26:30 if you electrocute them. That's true, yeah. Until they reboot. Yep. And then they'd know to get the chip out of their head, but could they get it out? Do they have anything yet? Hang on, give me a second.
Starting point is 01:26:40 When did, let's see, Gremlins 2 came out in 1990. So that's pre-Terminator 2. Okay. So they don't have any Terminator 2 knowledge. Okay, fair point. So they don't know you pull the chip out of the head and you reset it or whatever. They'd have to be like, well, we've got to crush him. We've got to crush him.
Starting point is 01:26:56 And they don't. I mean, they could pile on, but it wouldn't be enough. It wouldn't be enough. You need weapons to defeat the Terminator. That's true, yeah. You need weapons or something to crush them in. Yeah. I reckon they could probably drop a set of goalposts.
Starting point is 01:27:10 I don't think a goalpost would kill him. Spirit through his head. Would it break his skull? Titanium, probably not. Or whatever they're made of. They say the name of the medal. I can't remember what. So I don't think it...
Starting point is 01:27:22 I don't know. I reckon they could probably find a wacky way. I reckon Brain Gremlin could probably find a wacky way to defeat the Terminator Terminator. They could just keep electrocuting him forever. Yeah. That one could just zip around him. That's true, yeah. Non-stop.
Starting point is 01:27:35 Yeah. I reckon eventually they'd start pulling bits out of him. They probably could pull him apart. Yeah, they probably could pull him apart, I guess. Because you can take bits off him. Yeah. I mean, look, I'm happy to assume that sexy lady gremlin has, like, a screwdriver in her purse or something like that.
Starting point is 01:27:53 You know what I mean? For murders. For murders, yeah. Okay. I will concede that. They lure him with the sexy lady gremlin, they electrocute him, shut him down for two minutes, then they take him apart. They remove his head.
Starting point is 01:28:04 Yeah. Yeah. And even if he's alive then, it's irrelevant. It's they take him apart. They remove his head. Yeah. Yeah. And even if he's alive then, it's irrelevant. It's embarrassing for him. Yeah, he's not. And they kick his head through the goalposts. We all cheer. And they all go, ah!
Starting point is 01:28:12 Exactly. And then Leonard Moulton cheers. Yeah. Because he was in Gremlins 2. It's his favourite movie. Yeah. What have you got? We do a couple more?
Starting point is 01:28:18 Let's do a couple more. Okay, let's have a look. Let's have a bloody look. Look, Richard Kirker suggested, again, one of them not horror, but I guess it depends on whether you think being left home alone is a horrifying experience. Oh, yeah, sure. The Jigsaw Killer versus Kevin McAllister.
Starting point is 01:28:35 Oh, we're back here again. Yeah, that's right. Have we discussed Jigsaw versus Kevin McAllister before? I think maybe. There's a fan theory that they're the same person. Yeah, right. They're both. I mean, the Jigsaw Killer would haveAllister before? I think maybe. There's a fan theory that they're the same person. Yeah, right. They're both. I mean, the Jigsaw killer would have been following him for months,
Starting point is 01:28:49 like knowing what he's afraid of and his ins and outs, and he's like, you don't respect your family. So now you've got to. Okay, but you're proposing prior knowledge of either of them. Because whenever the Jigsaw killer comes at somebody. But they've just arrived. Oh, yeah. Okay, so I think we have to decide.
Starting point is 01:29:05 Have they just arrived at the opposite corners of the football field and they have on them? One's got a slingshot. Yeah. And one's got a gun and a knife. If anybody's likely to have a backpack full of deadly weapons, it's probably McAllister, if I'm honest with you. That's true, yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:21 But that's the thing. If it's prior knowledge, then I imagine they've been watching each other. Yes. You know? Because when we did Kevin versus the Predator, it was home ground advantage of Kevin, but he doesn't have that in this situation.
Starting point is 01:29:34 Nobody has home ground advantage. And Jigsaw's just a man riddled with cancer. That's true, yeah. Yeah. But he still cuts people's throats in that, like there's examples of that. That is true, yeah. He will go straight for the kill. And this is peak Jigsaw killer when he's in the prime of his.
Starting point is 01:29:51 Killing. Yeah. Riddled with cancer. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So riddled with the most or the least? Whatever he had in one.
Starting point is 01:29:58 Yeah. Okay. Right. Whatever he had in one. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't think, I don't think technically McAllister is a killer. Yeah, I think so.
Starting point is 01:30:07 You're right. But Jigsaw definitely is. I mean, I know the stuff that he does would kill a person in his house. But if he's in a football field with just like his slingshot and BB gun or whatever, he's only using those to like bother and hold a bay. He wouldn't actually stab Jigsaw I assume He would hope not
Starting point is 01:30:30 I don't know that If the answer there is yes This would be one of our Grizzliest matchups ever I feel So I think it's Jigsaw I mean there's a moment Where in the first one
Starting point is 01:30:38 I remember his I haven't seen them all But he's cornered by cops And he cuts one of their throats Yeah And if I guess if Jigsaw Perceives Kevin McCaster as a threat Even though he's just a little kid He's gonnaed by cops and he cuts one of their throats. Yeah. And I guess if Jigsaw perceives Kevin McCallister as a threat, even though he's just a little kid, he's going to kill him.
Starting point is 01:30:49 Yeah. Exactly. But I think he'd make one hell of a trap for Kevin McCallister about not respecting his family and he has to dig respect out of one of his family members slash a key. Sure, yeah. It's a key with respect written on it.
Starting point is 01:31:04 It's a key with respect written on it, yeah's a key with respect written on it, yeah. Should I do one more or? Yeah, do one more. All right. Which one should I pick? Oh, there's so many. What about the quiet? This is from John.
Starting point is 01:31:13 The Quiet Place versus Pitch Black. So presumably the Quiet Place monsters. Yes, versus the Pitch Black monsters. So one is deaf, one is blind. Yes. Well, I think then the Quiet Place, no, wait, they're both blind. What am I saying? They're both blind.
Starting point is 01:31:30 They're both blind, yeah. Yeah. I guess it's just durability at that point. I guess it is durability. Which is Quiet Place. Because they're like gunproof. Unless you open up their head and shoot them in the head. That's true.
Starting point is 01:31:43 Shoot them in that weird ear that they've got. Yeah, you shoot them in the head. That's true. Shoot them in that weird ear that they've got. Yeah, you shoot them in the ear. One of those things, one of the Quiet Place things could kill like 100 people in a heartbeat. It wouldn't be a problem. The pitch black monsters. Well, they probably also could, I guess. Yeah, and also they have a relentless hunger because they've been in hibernation for years and years. So are we talking like maybe three Quiet Place monsters
Starting point is 01:32:10 versus like 17 Pitch Black monsters? You think the Quiet Place monsters are tougher than the Pitch Black monsters? I think they're physically tough. I mean, Vin Diesel stabs one to death, doesn't he? Oh, that's true, but he's the prime specimen of whatever. It's just a knife, though. But he's the prime specimen of whatever race he's from. Is that a prime? The Furrians or whatever they're called. But has he got the prime specimen of whatever. It's just a knife, though. But he's the prime specimen of whatever race he's from. Is that a prime?
Starting point is 01:32:26 Furrians or whatever they're called. But has he got the prime specimen of a knife? Or is it just a knife that he's fashioned or whatever? Oh. Because I think it's just a regular knife. It's just a regular knife. Like a curved blade that he loves. It might be the Quiet Place.
Starting point is 01:32:36 I mean, if it's like three on three, I think it might be the Quiet Place monsters. Some of the Pitch Black monsters can also fly, I think. Yeah, they can all fly, I think. Okay, there. I feel like the pitch black monsters can also fly, I think. Yeah, they can all fly, I think. Okay. I feel like the quiet place monsters are happy to lurk. They just lurk about. Yeah. Whereas I feel like the pitch black monsters are like they explode out of their hiding place
Starting point is 01:32:58 and they're like, we're flying all about the place. We're going to find the first thing we can find. I think they have first mover advantage. Yes. I don't know if they're tougher But I think they would get some good licks in before No I remember the Quiet Place monsters They hear a sound
Starting point is 01:33:11 And they are on a person like Yeah right Like there's no tomorrow Which there isn't for the person Do you remember when it like sprinted through the forest When it had that fire truck or whatever Yeah that's right Or that whatever it is
Starting point is 01:33:20 So I think it would hear them immediately And then just go in for the kill Like straight away It wasn't a fire truck It was like a spaceship or something So yeah that. So I think it would hear them immediately and then just go in for the kill, like straight away. It wasn't a firetruck, it was like a spaceship or something. So yeah, that's what I think. Yeah, okay, yeah. I think maybe you've got it.
Starting point is 01:33:31 Anyway, do you have one more? I've got one more. All right. Okay, let me pick a real sweet one. No, you don't have to. Pick a shit one. I'm going to pick the sweetest one. Pick a shit one.
Starting point is 01:33:38 Actually, look, I've got two. Joke one, you ready for this? Ready. They're all joke ones because it's all just funny combinations. This is Simon Monk Chipman. He has suggested Freddy Krueger versus the train that keeps interrupting people in Inception. You know?
Starting point is 01:33:54 Because it's the train. Because it's the train that killed his wife. Or himself or something. I don't know. The train was... It's a bad memory. Maybe it wasn't a real memory. It was just you...
Starting point is 01:34:03 They put their heads down and killed themselves in front of a train, right? In both scenarios, you die in a dream, yes. But in Inception... No, his wife throws herself out a window. The train is a dream train. The train is a dream train, yeah. But the train is the dream train they kill themselves with to go back to the real world, I think.
Starting point is 01:34:21 But if you die... Anyway, it's Freddy Krueger versus a train is what I'm saying. It's not versus the characters from Inception. You're right, you're right, you're right.
Starting point is 01:34:28 It's not Tom Hardy with a rocket launcher or whatever. Should it be Freddy Krueger versus the people from Inception? Yeah, I guess so. Let's say that.
Starting point is 01:34:34 Okay. But the train's their ace in the hole because you just hit Freddy Krueger with a train. Here's how Freddy Krueger works. He's invulnerable
Starting point is 01:34:41 generally speaking in a dream, but if you are holding him when you wake up, he appears in the real world generally speaking, in a dream. Yes. But if you are holding him when you wake up, he appears in the real world and then you can kill him. Yes. And the Inception people also have mastery of dream and they would have come in with all sorts of shit.
Starting point is 01:34:56 There's got to be a fanfic. Oh, 100%. You know what I mean? Do you think they'd have like a van full of stuff and Joseph Gordon-Levitt would fight him in a spinning hallway and be like, I've got this. I don't give a shit. Well, I mean, it's a. But Freddy can also come out of anything.
Starting point is 01:35:08 Okay, so my question, I guess, is, is it the Inception team on a real football field and they're dreaming another scenario or is it a dream football field and Freddy Krueger becomes a big football or he becomes a big football mascot? He's like, I'm a big bull. Look at me. I'm coming at you. Look coming at you if they got spiky fingers if they appeared on the oval yes none of them would be in a dream i guess but that would also mean that leonardo dicaprio and his crew wouldn't have any weapons because all their weapons are mind weapons i feel confident that joseph gordon
Starting point is 01:35:42 levitt's character has a gun anyway. Like real life one. And he's, he's the, also the thing about Inception is he's like the, speaking of football metaphors, he's the MVP of that team. Like he's good at everything. That's true actually.
Starting point is 01:35:54 Yeah. Why isn't he the boss? Yeah. But he's probably got a gun and he's a really good shot. So I think if he doesn't have a weird train metaphor. Exactly. He's fine. He seems fine.
Starting point is 01:36:04 He seems like this is just his job. So I guess it's not a metaphor. Exactly. He's fine. He seems fine. He seems like this is just his job. I guess it's not a metaphor. It was just a train. Just a train. But look, okay, on the most basic level, everybody's awake. Freddy Krueger is in the real world on a football field. I think Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character kills him with one bullet to the head. And then they'd explain it to Alan Page afterwards.
Starting point is 01:36:23 Yeah, exactly. Because that's why that character's there. But if it's in a dream, let's say it's a dream. Yeah. They'd all know it was a head. And then they'd explain it to Alan Page afterwards. Yeah, exactly. But if it's in a dream, let's say it's a dream. They'd all know it was a dream. Because they know when they're in a dream. They would all know it's a dream. Exactly. Which is an advantage, I guess. Do you think Freddy could kill them
Starting point is 01:36:35 if they know that they can't die in a dream? Unless you're like 15 layers deep or whatever. I think Freddy Krueger's an exception to that. I think that if you die in a dream in the Inception universe, you wake up. But if Freddy Krueger is an exception to that. I think that if you die in a dream in the Inception universe you wake up but if Freddy Krueger
Starting point is 01:36:48 kills you in a dream universe you are dead. I think. He can come out of a wall or under a bed. I think a couple of them might cop it because they think
Starting point is 01:36:57 well it doesn't matter if this guy kills me because I'll just wake up again. But how do they even know that? I think maybe Freddy Krueger I think if it's the standard. Is he immune in dreams to damage? Pretty much.
Starting point is 01:37:09 Yeah. Or I think maybe oftentimes like some damage will be dealt to him and he'd be like, surprise, not really. So you could hit him with the train. He's like, surprise, not really. You'd probably hit him with a train and then Agent Smith style, he'd come out of the cabin of the train. He'd be like, surprise.
Starting point is 01:37:23 They're good at waking up out of dreams as well,'t they that's true it would only take one of them to grab him and wake up that's true i mean they'd grab him they'd fall into a bath or something yeah because they're they'd have someone on the outside i assume ready to wake them up at a certain point so they'd probably be like okay we're gonna grab him at eight minutes yeah okay right so we just need to keep them but that that's the thing, they don't know. No, I guess. But there'd still be someone out there to wake them up, presumably, because they'd be medically induced.
Starting point is 01:37:51 Okay, let's say they both appear. It's a dream football field. They all appear. Freddy Krueger would kill at least one of them, and then the outside team member would be like, oh, this person's dead. Like, this should not have happened. They'd pull them out.
Starting point is 01:38:06 They'd pull them all out. Get them prepared. Put them back in. Send them back in. Okay, right, wow. With basically, like, fire and guns. And they'd have that French song ready to wake them up. That's right.
Starting point is 01:38:17 I wonder if Freddie, yeah, all right, if they can be bathtub dunked. Because the song wakes them up over a certain amount of time. And I feel Freddy could kill them all before the song wakes up. But if they're, like, ready to be dunked in the bathtub or, like, you tip them off a chair. Okay, this is what I feel happens. Freddy Krueger kills at least one of them, probably.
Starting point is 01:38:42 Tom Hardy? No, the guy who got shot. Ken Watanabe. Oh yeah, probably kills Ken Watanabe because he's back for some reason. He's like, I'm a billionaire CEO but I'd like to join your team again. This is a fun time actually. I think let's do some more dreamy things.
Starting point is 01:38:55 That's how Ken Watanabe talks. No, he's in there because he just... You don't want to be a man filled with regrets. He's just in there. That's what I am. He's just part of the team in that movie.
Starting point is 01:39:03 He's just part of the team. Okay, well they kill Ken Watanabe R.I.P Because he's injured For the majority of that movie R.I.P. K.W. Yeah And then
Starting point is 01:39:09 The chemist probably Who's outside the team Is like well he's dead I better Yeah I'll tip them all off their chairs And I'll wake them up Yep
Starting point is 01:39:16 And then They go back And they roast this dude Yes I think that's I think that's Great zingers Oh my god
Starting point is 01:39:24 While Joseph Gordon-Levitt tackles him in a weird twisty hallway. In a spinny room. It's one thing that people don't but they spun that for real do you know?
Starting point is 01:39:32 Oh my God. That's a real practical effect. This is Dracula all over again. I guess that's the last one? Because we're getting pretty late in the
Starting point is 01:39:40 bloody day. Well that's true. Richard Kirk suggested the doppelgangers from Us versus the giant ants from Them. I've never seen Them. Well it's a real Us versus Them scenario. Well, that's true. Richard Kirk suggested the doppelgangers from Us versus the giant ants from Them. I've never seen Them. Well, it's a real Us versus Them.
Starting point is 01:39:48 The Ant. That's what's going on there. That's what's happening, yeah. But the ants. Probably the giant ants. I mean, these people are pretty fast and they're terrifying. What does it matter?
Starting point is 01:39:57 If you're terrified of a creepy person running around in the dark and going, that's pretty scary, but giant ants will just eat you. And you're on a field. If you kill a giant ant, it'll be that weird smell. That smell, they're all coming. You'll be like, yucky. You've got a pair of scissors. That's pretty scary, but giant ants will just eat you. And you're on a field. If you kill a giant ant, it'll be that weird smell.
Starting point is 01:40:05 That smell, they're all kind of like, ooh, yucky. You've got a pair of scissors. It's a fucking giant ant. Exactly. How big are they? Like car size? Yeah, like bigger than a car. Yeah, forget it.
Starting point is 01:40:13 Yeah. Yeah, it's the giant ants. Don't even worry about it. Look, maybe if every doppelganger teamed up, you could defeat all the giant ants. Yeah. But probably not. No, because there's more ants in the world than people, et cetera and so forth. But also there's
Starting point is 01:40:25 double the amount of people in the world under the earth. Yeah. So what does that count for? I don't know. Who's to say? Yes. Anyways, you know what it's time for?
Starting point is 01:40:33 It's time for what we're reading? Yeah, it is. What are we going to read? No, it's that one, yeah. God damn. God damn. I'm doing the thing. Ba-da-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba
Starting point is 01:40:42 Ba-da-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba What are we reading today? Nice. I can't believe. Yes. Finally read all of that Watchmen comic or whatever. I was going to say, just side note, we did get tons of submissions for the horror verses. So if another horror movie comes out in the next foreseeable future, we'll probably just do another one. We'll do another one.
Starting point is 01:41:02 Well, maybe we'll make it a Halloween tradition. Oh my goodness. Who knows? But yeah yeah we both will i i re i read i reread some issues and got to the current issue of doomsday clock we're up to 11 issues of this 12 issue maxi series oh my goodness the sequel to watchman yeah speaking of watchman this week uh it's it's it week, all I'll say is this final issue that is coming out, it better be the most spectacular chat we've ever seen between two iconic characters. Otherwise, what was this all even about?
Starting point is 01:41:37 Yeah, good question. Maybe some spoilers for Doomsday Clock if you haven't read it. I barely remember, but what specifically? I don't know. There's characters like it starts off mostly about a mime and a marionette. And the date, like, where are they? I feel this would have worked a lot better as a just, and I never thought.
Starting point is 01:41:54 You said that earlier. Yeah, I never thought I'd say this as a fan of Watchmen. I think this would have worked way better as a straight-ahead Watchmen sequel. But this is a Watchmen sequel that also crosses over into a version of the DC universe. And it also, it's sort of an in-universe attempt to explain why the DC universe keeps getting rebooted. Like that's one of the reasons. I mean, for money.
Starting point is 01:42:17 Maybe that's the end. Dr. Manhattan goes, it's for money. It's for money. It's a comic book sales thing. Here's the thing. I did it to make some movies. Look, what I did. Well, that's the thing.
Starting point is 01:42:31 I mean, there's a subplot in this because the previous, Watchmen had a subplot. Yes. It was the tales from the Black Freighter. There was a metaphor for what was happening. What's the subplot in this movie? I feel like the subplot in this is there is a Hollywood actor who encounters Dr. Manhattan.
Starting point is 01:42:49 I don't remember this at all. And Dr. Manhattan sort of relays future events to him. Oh, that's right. His name's like Clayton Carver or something. And he makes him famous and tells him that he's going to die or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But to what end? I can't remember.
Starting point is 01:43:02 Anyway, this series looks great but makes very little sense. There's also multiple instances of various main characters re-explaining previous issues to other people. Because they come out like... Yeah, months and months later. Yeah. It's kind of interesting but I... Yeah, no, I think there is some interesting ideas.
Starting point is 01:43:19 I think just before the confrontation between Dr. Manhattan and Superman, there's some really interesting panels of him explaining, like weaving in and out of time before Superman is on him. And there's other things that I like about it. But when this new one comes out, I'll go back and read them all presumably. I don't know whether it's going to come together. Is it 12 issues or something? I think it's going to be 12.
Starting point is 01:43:42 How many were the original Watchmen? 12. But do you think it's 12 because they're like, well, It's going to be 12. How many were the original Watchmen? 12. But do you think it's 12 because they're like, well, you've got to do 12? Because the original Watchmen was 12, yes. But do you think you maybe could do like six or none? Those are certainly options, aren't they? Yes.
Starting point is 01:43:57 So I think a better follow-up to this, and it's only one episode in, is the new Watchmen TV series. Yes. Which I find, I mean, again, it's one in, but I quite like it a lot. What do you think of it so far? I also quite like it a lot. But again, I feel like maybe this is yet another thing. It is, yeah.
Starting point is 01:44:15 I mean, that's all right. Good night, everyone. I feel it's maybe yet another thing where you could reasonably assume that this was something else and they've slapped Watchmen branding on it. Well, that was the intention though as well. Right, because this is a very loose follow-up to the original Watchmen. But I think there's nothing in this that points to, it doesn't disregard anything.
Starting point is 01:44:38 No, not so far. Yeah. Well, I mean, maybe, so again, spoilers for the first episode of Watchmen if you haven't seen it. This does feature a sort of a side story of Jeremy Irons who apparently has been cut, like his character will be revealed as Ozymandias at some point. Yes.
Starting point is 01:44:55 But in this he's credited as just the lord of a manor or something like that and he's just some sort of English lord off in some English manor somewhere who has two servants and he goes out riding. Who are probably genetically programmed people. I don't think this is really a robot-y universe. No, but they could be like cat people. Yeah, he can make a cat. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:45:15 So he's probably done that. They feel it because they call him master and they seem very... They love him so much. They seem very unusual and it suggests to me there's some sort of genetically engineered creatures. They just love Jeremy Irons. But where is he in England? Where is he?
Starting point is 01:45:27 What's going on? Is this, are we in a... A dream? Are we in a dream? A virtual world? I don't think it's a virtual world situation. Okay, right. Okay.
Starting point is 01:45:34 Why is he English all of a sudden? He seems barely German. Well, yeah, I guess because he's... Whatever he is. Well, he's sometimes... He's American. Yeah, is he though? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:45:44 It depends on, it depends how you read it, I guess. Right. But is he American in the original one? I don't know. Also, I can see him changing his accent. Yeah, maybe, yeah. If he wanted to. So anyway, this Watchmen sequel is set in 2019.
Starting point is 01:45:56 Yeah. The modern day, ripped from the headlines. Straight off the cuff. Apparently, at some point in the past, we've gotten this group called the Seventh Cavalry who've taken on the mantras and the look of Rorschach from the original and they're doing terrorist-y kind of stuff. It's a white supremacy thing. Yeah, it is. And we've got the police are now you can't tell anybody you're the police.
Starting point is 01:46:18 You have to pretend you're somebody else and you wear a mask and they seem to – in this universe, again, it seems some superheroes are legal. Some costume crime fighters are legal now. But, again, you're undercover and it's treated the same way as undercover cops, I guess, but with a mask. Yeah, I think – a few people I've seen complain that Rorschach turned into this white supremacy icon.
Starting point is 01:46:45 But I think the way that the original one mirrored the flaws of society and whatever, this new one does the same. And again, it's one episode. It's one episode and it's also, again, and it's been in story time and in real time, it's been literally decades. And Redford's president.
Starting point is 01:47:04 Do you think Redford's going to be in it? I would love him to be in it. Me too. I don't know if he will because he's already retired. They might be like, Redford, it's another of those Marvel movies you like doing. And he'll be like, okay. I'll do it. I'll do it.
Starting point is 01:47:15 But I can also see how a group, like a white supremacist group, would take on the mantle of somebody who wouldn't even necessarily understand what that person is about. Also, Rorschach is terrible. Yeah, for sure. And also his journal does portray a very skewed version of events of what actually happened. Yes.
Starting point is 01:47:35 And, you know, we don't really know how much was in it beyond what we see. Or even how much people believe. Yeah. It seems some people are on board with it, some people aren't. There was this quote about Alan Moore about Rorschach on Twitter this week. I saw it says, I want to make Rorschach as like, this is what Batman would be in the real world.
Starting point is 01:47:54 But I've forgotten that actually a lot of comic book fans smelling, not having a girlfriend, those are actually kind of heroic. So Rorschach becomes the most popular character in Watchmen. I made him to be a bad example, but I have people who came up to me in the street and say, I am Rorschach becomes the most popular character in Watchmen. I made him to be a bad example, but I have people who came up to me in the street and say, I am Rorschach, that's my story. And I'll be thinking, yeah, great, because you just keep away from me,
Starting point is 01:48:13 never come anywhere near me again as long as I live. I'm presuming this is a real quote. Maybe it isn't. So he's making fun of you, the big smelly nerd. The big smelly nerd wearing a dirty mask. Is that recent or is that from decades ago? Again, it might not even be real. I just screenshot it for this.
Starting point is 01:48:29 For funsies. I think this definitely has potential to be the best subsequent Watchmen. Well, speaking of the real world, what I did like about this is that unlike the Zack Snyder version of the Watchmen universe, it did feel like real people having a fist fight. Like there's a sequence where the nun lady, whose superior name I can't remember, has a fight with one of the Rorschach guys in like a trailer.
Starting point is 01:48:56 And it feels like, again, just a real kind of brutal fist fight with a few flourishes in. Like she's got some kind of flourishing flips because she's a superhero, presumably, or she was in the public eye at some point. But it's also like a lot of just cracking people's heads on walls and stuff. You know what I thought was interesting? They keep talking about this miniseries that they're making for the,
Starting point is 01:49:16 what's that superhero team called in this universe? The Minutemen. The Minutemen. And it looks like Carla Cugino is the Sally Jupiter in this universe in that show. Yeah, right. It's like an image of her. Oh, she's the actor. It seems to be.
Starting point is 01:49:31 And I wonder if that's actually what's going to be. So maybe. Because I believe we are going to get the Silk Spectre is going to make an appearance. Yes. The character is going to make an appearance in the show. There's not going to be a lot of recurring characters, I don't think, from the original. Yeah. But Silk Spectre. I think they character is going to make an appearance in the show. There's not going to be a lot of recurring characters, I don't think, from the original. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:47 I think they're slowly going to turn up. She's taking on a new identity. Yes. Like an FBI agent or something? She's an FBI agent, but also apparently, do you want to? It's a. I don't know. Okay.
Starting point is 01:49:58 But apparently something else. Apparently something else. Will that be revealed this week? I think it might be, yeah. Because I thought there was a chance also that that chief of police was going to end up being Night Owl. Because he's got like the Night Owl ship. But presumably they're like standard issue now. No, I think that's just a remnant.
Starting point is 01:50:13 You think that was the original one? I think that's the original one. Oh, really? Yeah. I think that's the original one and they use it for special operations and now they've kind of wrecked it. But it's just some country town though. Why would they only have it there? No, I think it's in bloody, isn't it Texas? But like, oh yeah, I guess it is. I think they just happen to have it. But it's just some country town though. Why would they only have it there? No, I think it's in bloody, isn't it Texas or?
Starting point is 01:50:26 But like, oh yeah, I guess it is. I think they just happen to have it. Yeah, they just happen to have it. Great. Anyway, we've got to move on, Mason. Well, hang on. Do I have any more thoughts about it? Well, we'll come back.
Starting point is 01:50:34 We'll probably do an episode on it. I thought the chief was going to last longer than he did. Yeah. He didn't last that long. No. Do you think that guy is really strong? He's like 103. He's like, I can lift 200 pounds.
Starting point is 01:50:44 Oh, what is it? Yeah. We didn't really talk about that, the whole Tulsa situation. It could be Dr. Manhattan. Yeah. You think he could be Dr. Manhattan? Somebody's got to be Dr. Manhattan. Or Dr. Manhattan is on Mars, as we saw.
Starting point is 01:50:55 Yeah, right, right, right. It was interesting seeing him on Mars, and he built like an Earth structure up there and then crushed it. I wonder whether that's him like contemplating like, maybe I will go become Miss Earth and I'm Miss Space Wolf. Maybe I should build a shopping mall up here. Get some tourism dollars.
Starting point is 01:51:09 That'd be cool. You know? I'd like to be rich. Just like that Ad Astra. The mall on the moon. Oh my God. I should have called that mall on the moon. Mall on the moon.
Starting point is 01:51:18 Would you believe they put a mall on the moon. And then you're mauled on the moon. Mall on the moon. By monkeys, spoiler alert. Oh. Yeah, that's true. Not space wolves. No. That moon. By monkeys, spoiler alert. Oh, yeah, that's true. Not space wolves. No. That's what happened, didn't it?
Starting point is 01:51:29 Yeah, no, I remember. Brad Zastra. Yeah, I remember. Okay, next segment. Do some letters? Let's talk about letters. Yeah, let's do some letters. The classic one was letters, oh letters, we love you.
Starting point is 01:51:39 Some letters, they're only a day away. I know they're here right now. We're going to do letters. If you want to reach the show, hashtag weeklyplanetpod or weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com There's a bloody theme for it. Would you believe they put some mail on the show?
Starting point is 01:52:04 Mail on the show. Mail on the show. I'd believe it. I'd believe it too. Do you want to read your thing or I'll read mine? I don't have one yet, but you can go ahead. It's from Zach Shepard, hashtag weeklyplanetpod. Hey, James and Mace, off the back of Watchmen, Caravan of Garbage, can you explain why Watchmen is still considered unfilmable?
Starting point is 01:52:19 We've all seen Doctor Strange and Infinity War. They filmed some pretty weird shit. So what sets Watchmen apart? Do you think it's the nature of a comic book in terms of you could never capture that exact... Well, I don't know if it's still unfilmable. I mean, again... We're not limited by budget anymore, I would say.
Starting point is 01:52:35 No, that's true. That's not... Visually, you can make anything now. But do you think you could get the exact story and even the pace of the book? Well, I think the problem is that there's a lot of stuff in comics that even if you could physically put it onto the big screen, it doesn't quite work because you take it out of the comic book format. That's what I'm saying, yeah. Yeah, like I think maybe we've talked about, did we ever talk about the animated version of Batman E1?
Starting point is 01:53:05 Yes. Like it looks pretty nice. Yeah. And I think the performances and stuff are pretty good. I liked it fine. But a lot of that is like direct, even the dialogue is like word for word. And it feels weird when they. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:53:16 And he kicks down that tree, as I often say. Yeah, that's true, yeah. You can't translate that. No, no, sir. So you're saying that no or yes, it's still adaptable. I think technically anything now can be. Yeah, for sure. But I don't think that, I think it's the harder thing now is,
Starting point is 01:53:34 well, it's always been that it's not just about making it look like it. You have to capture the essence. And again, I think a lot of, you know, a lot of something like Watchmen was determined to be unfilmable in the 80s or the 90s. And I think that's kind of been set in stone now. Yeah. And I guess maybe technically it's definitely filmable now. They filmed it.
Starting point is 01:53:57 Would you have another crack now? I don't think so. I think you need to. I think you have to. Someone probably will eventually. Yeah. This is from Evan O'Day. Hello, Evan O'Day.
Starting point is 01:54:06 It says people in Alabama definitely have sex with pigs. I knew it. It says mostly Alabama, but all those states down south are really into that stuff. Oh, my goodness. I want to know where he is from originally. I want to know a lot about this guy. We've had a huge response to that sheep shagging queries. I wonder if a lot of these are kind of...
Starting point is 01:54:26 Personal vendettas? Personal vendettas, exactly where I'm going with that. Like, yeah. Just like, I hate this rival state or country. Well, this one, this is from Owen Shipton. It says, Derby County FC are sheep shaggers. So he lives in Nottingham in England where the biggest football team is Nottingham Forest.
Starting point is 01:54:43 Yep. The biggest local rivals are Derby County because Derby's club badges are rammed. They're nicknamed the Sheep Shaggers. And also that man who runs through the woods with a bow and arrow. Yeah, that's also true. Thank you. Other teams have animals on their badges, but Brighton and Hove Albion are not called the Seagull Shaggers, and Wolverhampton Wolves are not the Wolf Shaggers.
Starting point is 01:54:59 You can't shag a seagull, can you? Or a wolf. They'd destroy you. Shreds. I mean, one's a beautiful dream that you'll never achieve and one's dangerous. The seagull's the dream, is it? What are we...
Starting point is 01:55:12 Yeah, for these people. Sure. Yeah. For Brighton. Yeah. Australia also has a Brighton. Yeah, we do. Australia also has a Brighton, yeah.
Starting point is 01:55:20 You've got a Brighton. Bunch of seagull shaggers. I agree. Yeah, look, I feel... See, that's the thing, look, this one I think is the perfect illustration of that. Do people actually call them that? Or is this just some sort of nautical forest, the Derby County football rivalry that's spilled over? And Owen's like, yeah, we'll get them.
Starting point is 01:55:41 We'll publicly shame them on a podcast. You know what I mean? Absolutely, yeah. Oh, man. What a world of people shagging animals and accusing people. Look, here's a non-shaggy one. This is from Amanda Capote. Capote?
Starting point is 01:55:54 Okay. I'm sure you get this question a lot and have probably answered before. Maybe. But I was wondering what comic runs would you recommend for a newcomer? It doesn't matter the company. I don't care. We've got to do a bloody episode on this. On some comic recs?
Starting point is 01:56:05 Yeah. It's a good question. Like some starter kind of stuff. Starter stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I would, I'm speaking of what we read and what we're going to read.
Starting point is 01:56:14 I'm starting maybe tomorrow. I'm going to get up to date on Black Hammer. Yeah. Which is a great series, but it also does it, it's sort of, again, it's by a guy called Jeff Lemire, and it's kind of a love letter to old school superhero comic book stuff.
Starting point is 01:56:30 So you might not necessarily, I think it's the same way you'd be like, you should read Watchmen. Yeah. Because you kind of have to have an understanding of the format. Yeah, but I wonder, do you need, because, I mean, you sort of get Black, you can get Black Hammer without knowing anything about it. That's true, yeah. Because all the characters are kind of they're all superheroes and they're parallel to like classic superheroes like you know
Starting point is 01:56:50 your thors and your martian man hunters and all those kind of things but you don't need to have known like they they're their personal stories are different and they're they're unique and you can kind of yes get on board with that would you would you recommend black hammer it's a weird i love black hammer i would definitely but i don't know whether it would be a first thing in them and you can kind of get on board with that. Would you recommend Black Hammer? It's a weird... I love Black Hammer, definitely, but I don't know whether it would be a first thing in the... I like as a person who, if you don't know anything about comic books and you'd like to start, I'd recommend,
Starting point is 01:57:16 and I may have recommended before, DC's The New Frontier, which also became an animated thing, but that's kind of an out of continuity DC comic book sort of set in the golden age of superheroes and it's kind of
Starting point is 01:57:30 I don't know it's kind of this big epic story but you don't need to know anything about the characters. What about if you did like a slice of life comic
Starting point is 01:57:38 like a Garfield or a Sex Criminals? Oh yeah, sure. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? What I like to do Those are linked together because John Arbuckle is a sex criminal. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:57:47 What I like to do is, like, if I like a topic or a movie or, like, a genre or whatever, I'll be like, what's the best Star Wars comic? What's the best Terminator comic? What's the best whatever? And I'll just Google that. And then I'll just grab those six issues and read them. So that's my advice. I mean, is it on hiatus or is it wrapped up?
Starting point is 01:58:07 Saga is one of those. That's a bloody tremendous comic, aren't you? Yeah, it's got a lot going on. Unfilmable, they say. Yeah, that's right. Well, that's your first, get maybe the first trade paperback of Saga and give that a crack because that is a good time. And that isn't, you know, that isn't, it's very sci-fi fantasy,
Starting point is 01:58:25 but it's not kind of super, if you don't like superheroes. Yeah. No superheroes to be found. It's very strange. Oh, yeah. But it's kind of, you know, but that's what comic books do best. Yeah. That kind of thing.
Starting point is 01:58:34 It's a big storyline, you know, spanning across the galaxy and many. You don't need to know anything. You don't need to know anything. And, you know, it's the perfect the perfect because comic books have an unlimited budget in the sense that you can have epic space battles and characters growing up for years and years. Cats that know if you're lying. Cats that know if you're lying.
Starting point is 01:58:55 Put that in a bloody Daniel Day-Lewis movie. Yeah. Daniel Day-Lewis. He could play the girl who's half a girl who's a ghost. Yep, that's true. Half a ghost girl. One more. Okay, I'm ready. Just quickly. Yes. I've got to bloody get on the bloody air. All right, all right. You've got to get on the bloody air. play the girl who's half a girl who's a ghost yep that's true i'm a ghost girl uh one more okay just
Starting point is 01:59:05 quickly yes bloody i gotta bloody get on the bloody all right you gotta um andy says is there any film that you refuse to watch for whatever reason for example i never watch serbian film due to the graphic content even though halloween i sometimes i have someone recommend it i have no idea what that is a serbian film is a it's about it's a horror film and it's about like a like a i think he's a like an aging porn star or something like that he's offered a a job by some it's like a hostel kind of great gross gross aging porn star he struggled to provide his family uh i can oh man it's like pedophilia necrophilia yeah it's one of those it doesn't seem like something that i want to watch you probably wouldn't watch that to be Yeah, it's one of those. It doesn't seem like something that I want to watch either. Yeah, I probably wouldn't watch that, to be honest.
Starting point is 01:59:46 Yeah, that's one of those ones where I'm like, I will read the Wikipedia summary and be okay with that kind of thing. I was going to say Catwoman because I remember- That's the one where you drew the line. That was when I was like, we've got to- I remember the time I was like, we've got to- because we used to say everything. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:59:59 We've got to see Catwoman Mason. And you were like, no, we will not. Yeah. Or I will not. And then I went, oh, yeah, we don't have to see everywoman Mason. And you were like, no, we will not. Yeah. Or I will not. And then I went, oh yeah, we don't have to see every movie that comes out. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:00:10 And that's when we stopped talking to each other until we started doing the show. That's right. Exactly. Right. That's right. Yeah. But we'll do Catwoman for the new Batman movie. Will we?
Starting point is 02:00:17 Okay. Great. We'll let you come back to it. All right. Is there something that I wouldn't watch on principle? I mean, it can be for whatever reason. Well, that's true, yeah. There's a bunch of stuff that I'm just like,
Starting point is 02:00:30 that looks crap and I won't watch it. For sure, yeah. I won't do it. That's the biggest reason of all. Yeah. Yeah. I'd say I'd probably just never watch the Saw sequels because I'm not interested.
Starting point is 02:00:40 Yeah. I mean, I'll, I will, I'm more'm more I mean there's so many movies I'm more than happy to not watch anything you know directed by or starring somebody who turns out to be
Starting point is 02:00:51 a massive creep or whatever sure yeah you know they can they can go yeah I can I don't need them I'll live without them you know
Starting point is 02:00:56 yeah fair enough I don't think there's they need us if anything that's right yeah yes very good yes
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