The Weekly Planet - 316 Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker

Episode Date: December 23, 2019

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You won't like it, but you'll hear it. You will not like it. Red hot comic book movie news. Shooting up your butt hole. The Weekly Planet. The Weekly Planet. Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of The Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows.

My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday. With me as always, my co-host, Nick Mason. Merry pre-Christmas, everyone. Unless you're listening after Christmas, in which case, go fuck yourself. Sorry, that was rude, wasn't it? No, no it wasn't. It was the exact reaction they deserve. Good. For waiting until after the best days of the holiday season

to listen to a podcast. No, we appreciate people listening any time. This will probably be one of those back catalogue ones I'd imagine, actually. You know, Star Wars episodes. Oh, yeah, that's true. They get a lot of play every time. Listen, let us know if you are, this week you listened to this at the Christmas dinner table.

Yes. Like you're just like, I don't want to deal with this anymore. I don't want to deal with that uncle. You know that uncle? Yeah, you know that uncle, yeah. For whatever reason, everybody has one. Yep. And they're all weird for vaguely the same reasons.

Yeah. We won't get into it. Just put your AirPods in, whatever you have, and just. That's right. Just tune out, man. Have a good time, yeah. Also, I just wanted to quickly mention up top, first of all, Merry Christmas to you Mason

And to all our listeners Oh sorry Happy Holidays Because I'm bringing it back I was going to say Oh you're bringing Happy Holidays back

It was gone But me The PC police Are bringing it back Oh my goodness I'm sick of Christmas time I wondered why There were all the squad cars

Outside Yeah yeah yeah That's for me Yeah Yeah They're my Armoured militia That I've paid for, funded by this podcast. So thank you, everybody, who's contributed. We really appreciate it.

So wait, what are we bringing back? Happy holidays or? Whichever one I said. That's what I'm bringing back, yeah. I just wanted to also mention Claire and I were on an episode of Book Cheat this week on 12th night. Yeah, it was actually a lot of fun. What do you mean, actually a lot of fun? Well, because Dave, you know, he's a nerd. He's a book nerd. a book oh good point but you made it fun i understand he makes it fun it's a

terrific show it's like a do go on spin-off and uh i'll i'll i'll i recommend it and it's in general sure i'll link our episode below it's weird though you've never recommended it before and now you're on it yeah that's right recommending it yeah yeah it's a lot of sense it does make a lot of sense you want some news yeah okay of sense. You want some news? Yeah. Okay, good. Oh, if you're here for Star Wars time codes, you can jump ahead. Yeah. We'll do non-spoilers, then spoilers.

Yeah, that's right. Exactly. But in the meantime, the news. So James Cameron, he said this about Avatar re-releasing in cinemas. Okay. Because he is doing that. Is this a ploy? It's in preparation for Avatar 2 in 2020,000, whenever that movie.

No, it's 2021. It's December. 2020 000 whenever that movie no it's 2021 this december it's coming out he said uh this is in regards to a topping endgame box office that's what i thought he said i think it's a certainty but let's give endgame their moment and let's celebrate that people are going to the movie theater so he's saying that with the re-release of avatar it's going to take it from the 2.79 billion up to the 2.97 that Avatar made to dethrone it in the box office. So this is a certainty in his mind. That's what he says.

Do you want to know the exact amount of money he will need? Sure. I calculated it roughly. Okay. So this might be very wrong. But then I was dealing with billions and I'm like, these zeros seem wrong. Right. You know what I mean?

I just couldn't. It's the amount of money that I'm, as I'm doing it, I'm like, people have this kind of money. What would you leave? Submarines. Submar the amount of money that as I'm doing it, I'm like, people have this kind of money. What would you leave? Submarines. Submarines, of course, yeah. It's much easier if you calculate it in terms of how many submarines you could purchase with that amount of money.

Absolutely. Yeah. But don't tax the rich. Let them do what they want. That's right. Don't tax them at the same amount as literally everybody else. That is what I'm saying also. It's PC gone mad because we'll all get a billion dollars one day. I say tax them not at all. It'll trickle down somehow. That is what I'm saying also. It's PC gone mad. Because we'll all get a billion dollars one day.

I say tax them not at all. You know, it'll trickle down somehow. That's right. But that'll need to make $59,944,264. Well, that's not a lot in terms of how much a new release blockbuster movie might make. But when did Avatar come out? 2009. Okay.

So 10 years ago. Yeah. More by the time, I do the math, but there's too many zeros. It'll be more by the time, it'll be just before Avatar 2, I assume. Yeah, right. And everybody's seen it. It's possible. Yeah.

But also, even if it happens, which I'm highly dubious of, does that- Wait, what are you dubious about? Making this amount of money or just coming out? No, no, it'll come out. But that counts? When you re-release a movie, does generally count as the the original box office numbers i understand for like the star wars special edition for example that's like a different thing right you know what i mean diff worse different whatever you want to call it literally a different movie yes yes but

do you know what i'm saying though like yeah it's just yeah okay i mean what do i care they're both disney properties it matters nothing to me at all whether it it's less or more or whatever is avatar disney got bought out and with the fox well well then in that case i would imagine disney are going to put a huge marketing push behind it so it probably will make that money back yeah is the deal here that they're missing one slot on the top box office movies of all time or something like that? I don't believe so. I think they're all – I think it's like it's all Disney and Titanic now. Okay, right. I think it's – and maybe – I don't know who owns Titanic, but I don't think it's Disney.

Okay, so what they're doing is they're releasing – they're re-releasing Avatar to get on James Cameron's good side so they can purchase Titanic from whoever owns Titanic currently. And then every movie that is at the highest box office rankings of all time will be Disney movies. Correct, correct. So we've got here, I can bring this up for you if you do want the list. This is from May, so I need an updated one.

And of course there's also inflation, et cetera, and so forth. Well, we're not smart enough to handle that, so just give us raw numbers. Avengers Endgame. Yes, I've heard of it. Followed by Avatar. Though this it's got here, it says that Endgame is only 10 million more than Avatar. Oh. Or a little bit less, actually.

So the numbers I took from, I think it was Box Office Mojo, might not actually be correct. But then again, this is Wikipedia, so whatever. So it's Endgame, Avatar, then it's Titanic, then it's Force Awakens, then it's Infinity War. Those are the top five. And then it's Jurassicgame, Avatar, then it's Titanic, then it's Force Awakens, then it's Infinity War. Those are the top five. And then it's Jurassic World, which is Paramount, or Universal, sorry.

And then it's The Lion King, Avengers, and then Furious 7. So three of these in the top ten aren't Disney. Only a matter of time, though, isn't it? Yeah, well, it really is. You're not wrong, mate. So, look, if it's $10 million, yeah, that'll make that. And they could easily spend that on marketing. Well, exactly.

Does it even count? They should have to factor in how much money they're spending to promote it. Like if it takes them 10, if they only need to, let's say they need to make $59 million to bump Endgame off and it takes them, they do $60 million in marketing. Yeah. Shouldn't count. Yeah. I don't disagree with that.

But then again- James Cameron should have to write a novelty check for $1 million and give it to me. Do you then take off the $500 million of marketing that Endgame did, though? Yes. Because then that would bring it definitely below Avatar, because Avatar didn't have that. Yes. Not marketing, like cost in general, I'm saying. Sorry, yeah.

Also, the production company's behind Titanic. No one cares, but Paramount, Lightstorm Entertainment, and 20th Century Fox. So Disney also have a piece of Titanic. So there you go. Oh, perfect. A literal piece. Yeah. They put it in Bob Iger's office.

Wow. He's rich. He's rich. What do they get up to, you know? The rich aren't like me and you, Mason. No. Yeah. Okay.

That's pretty, that's okay. Good times. There you go. Do you think people are going to go out in droves to watch Avatar? I mean, if it's immediately before Avatar 2. Yeah. I'm sure there are people who haven't seen it. Of course. Good times. Do you think people are going to go out in droves to watch Avatar? I mean, if it's immediately before Avatar 2, I'm sure there are people who haven't seen it. Of course. Youngsters.

Youngsters. That's it. Just young people. Just youngsters. And they're very old. Also, just watch it on your phone. The way Martin Scorsese intended it to be watched. That's how he wants Avatar watched.

As a bit of a sweet revenge. That's right. Or in VR. He's a big fan for some reason. Yeah. The Tenet trailer. Oh, yeah. Time travel and secret organizations and bombs or not bombs.

Secret world ending plots. Yes. Some sort of time travel mechanic that I don't understand yet. Yeah. Nor may I ever understand it. Christopher Nolan's back, baby. Now, you like Nolan's movies in general. I do.

I like Inception especially. So this is called, I'll just read you the synopsis. It's set in the afterlife of the world of international espionage. It follows Washington's operative as he races against the clock to prevent World War III, though it's unclear exactly how his character was recruited for the job. It seems to require some trademark Nolan time hoops. That is from the LA Times, I've realised.

That is not the poster. No, what they've done there is they've done some rampant speculation a la what we do. So really they've just done our job for us. That's right. So thank you, the LA Times. We appreciate it. So, I mean, it's intriguing and it's kind of,

I don't need to know really anything else going into this. Yeah, for sure. It's something about you, yeah. Yeah. What do you think the time travel mechanic is? I don't know. Because it seems to be... Is is the weaponized time travel is that what it is i don't know because we don't see any devices in this no like even even in the inception trailer i think we did see the the the dream box yeah so in this i don't know the inception ray yeah the inception right that's

right yeah i mean it kind of reminds me of that Game Control that came out. Yeah. It's got that kind of feel and aesthetic. You know what I mean? Yeah. But this also seems way cheaper. I think maybe Nolan's gone, you know what, I want to do something Inception-like again, but way cheaper.

So what about if I just reverse the film? Ah, but then you've got to film the car spinning from a different angle. You haven't thought about this, Mason. That's still, you need two cameras. Oh, that's true. It's not cheap. And they should take about this, Mason. That's still, you need two cameras. Oh, that's true. It's not cheap. And they should take that cost out of the money it makes. I agree.

Of two cameras. Let's get real, folks. I'm turning my chair around and I'm straddling it. Let's talk real figures, folks. Yeah. So I think it's out mid-year. What I like about Christopher Nolan is because he made the Batman trilogy, he could just do whatever he wants and people see it.

I find that kind of refreshing. That's true. Where he's not beholden to anybody or tied into a franchise. Does his stuff make big money or does it make enough money to get by? It makes enough money, yeah. Okay, right. I mean, like, Inception, they all make money. They all make money.

But, like, I feel like, I mean, mostly it doesn't with Warner Brothers, I believe. They're like their big budget arthouse movies that they're just happy to kind of throw money at. And, like, they're not going to do $2 billion, but they'll do good enough and bring prestige to the cinema and whatever. Yeah. Bring the prestige to the cinema.

A re-release. It's taken the top spot, Mason. It's going for it. Nice. Yeah. So in a way, Christopher Nolan is very similar to Kevin Smith. Yes. That's right.

Just let him do his thing. Christopher Nolan is very similar to Kevin Smith. Yes, that's right. Just let him do his thing. One is Nazi sausages and one is whatever Kevin Smith is doing now. That's right. I do want to see Jade Silent Bob. It would be nice if it came out at some point here.

It would be, wouldn't it? Yeah. Has it been and gone in America? I think it has. Or it's touring still maybe? No, it wouldn't be now. It would have finished by now. Oh, it's just showing in like a – Well, you know how he does the tours on the-

Like he goes to different cities and he releases it? Yeah. It's like in a little carnival caravan. Exactly. He just opens it in a town square and- Step right up, folks. So, Kumail Nanjiani, a man like me and you, one would think. But with one crucial difference.

What's that? Acting, money. Yep. Comedic timing. Silicon Valley. He got out of the podcasting game to do something much better. At just the right time. Yes.

All those things. All that one thing. He, like us, was once shilling loot crates. That's right. We've both moved on from that. Yes. To varying successes. Yeah.

But he's posted an image to his instagram of uh he's broken the internet his new bod there were there were hints that like he'd got kind of you know he'd changed because you see him in silicon valley and on stage he's always wearing like long yeah you see i'm looking like looking at his arms and people i saw people had posted stuff like what's going on with this guy does he kind of walk like a A brick. Like a brick, exactly. Like a pile of bricks with legs. That's right. Yeah, so do you want me to read the post you put about it? Yes.

Or do you want to discuss it before I read that? No, no, I think it's fine. Okay, cool. Anyway, more like Kumail Riggiani. Very good. We don't see his dick. No, we don't. Yes.

I never thought I'd be one of those people who would post a thirsty shirtless, but I've worked way too hard for this for too long, so here we are. You're the die hero. You've lived long enough to see yourself become the villain. I found out a year ago I was going to be in Marvel's Eternals and decided I wanted to transform how I looked. I would not have been able to do this if I didn't have a full year

with the best trainers and nutritionists paid for by the biggest studio in the world. I'm glad I look like this, but I also understand why I never did. It would be impossible without these resources and time. So big thanks to any names various various people including his wife and uh and emily v gordon who of course does who wrote the big sick with him and that is his wife stuff yes yes is it not yes yeah i thought yeah and he's various trainers over the years so yeah first of all i think this is um really marketing. Yes. Because everything is. Everything is marketing.

Because everybody's talking about it, but only us. Only we've seen through this. We've figured it out. We've figured it out. Everybody else is talking about it on their podcast. Yes. Talking about how this is great for the Eternals. Yes.

Oh, my God, he's going to look great in the movie The Eternals. Coming whatever month it comes out. Yeah. We're going to really enjoy the eternals but we've seen through that yeah we see you really super buff super ripped kamal naijani in the eternals coming in whatever year it's coming out people also say he's a hero for saying like this is impossible unless you're kind of you've got the resources to do it well he's not wrong yeah i mean unless it's unless it's your job, it's always Sonny did it first, if we're honest.

I was going to say. Mac went from Fat Mac to Ripped Mac. I barely did this with time and money. Yeah, right. And I still barely managed to do it. But, yeah. Anyway, it's interesting and depressing, isn't it, Mason? Is it depressing?

I don't know. Yes. Is it? How would any of us look that good, Mason? But is it good, though? Do you know what I mean? How do you mean? Like, is it a good look?

Like, I read a study this week that was like, guys look at guys' chests more than women do at guys' chests. It's one of those things like guys looking at other guys, like comparing themselves and that kind of thing. And women are all about like... Did you read that or did your wife say that? Did she go, James, it's okay. Guys look at guys' chests more than women look at guys. Don't worry. She did say that, yeah. Stop crying, James, it's okay. Guys look at guys' chests more than women look at guys'.

Don't worry. She did say that, yeah. Stop crying, James. And then she sent me this article that was just in a Word document on her computer. Weird. Look, I brought up this document. Here's my laptop.

This is from Cool Dudes Health Magazine. Yeah. So anyway, Eternals. I'm looking forward to it. I think itternals. I'm looking forward to it. I think it's the one I'm looking forward to the most next year. Yeah, right. As far as Marvel movies go. Yeah.

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Anyways, we've got another trailer for Top Gun Loser. Maverick's back. He hasn't progressed very far in life. I mean, sure, he looks incredible. Like, he looks better than anybody else. Besides Kumail Nanjiani, obviously. Yes, obviously. Looks like a sack of potatoes next to Kumail Nanjiani.

That's true. What I noticed about this, obviously, is that Whipl the same age. Looks like a sack of potatoes next to Kamal Najiani. That's true. What I noticed about this, obviously, is that Whiplash, Miles Teller is in it. He's got a little mustache because he's Anthony Edwards' son. Just call him Neodometer like we all do. Neodometer. Because he's a Miles Teller. Oh, very good.

I thought you meant because he was doing like a tss, tss, tss. But that's a different thing. I was thinking of a metronome. A metronome, thank you. Well, I'm going to call him the metronome. Okay, good. So the metronome looks a lot like Anthonywards kind of did from that original top is he meant to be his kid yes his son son of goose right is this movie going to be exclusively tom cruise sort of walking wistfully around planes while sad music and being better at

planes yeah right everybody else in theory is the best combat pilot we've ever seen in theory in theory yeah so i guess because there were rumors it was going to be about drones and stuff but i'm glad it's not maybe it is though because at the end there is a sort of at the last sort of 20 seconds there's sort of what appears to be an actual combat scenario yeah and he's fighting drones yeah because who's he fighting in this he's fighting the. Yeah. Because who's he fighting in this? He's fighting the plane from the movie Stealth. Oh, my goodness. It's back. Is that the plane that became sentient? The one that was struck by lightning. Yeah, and became a deadly killer plane.

Yeah, pretty good. No, I mean, maybe it is. Yeah, I didn't know. All the Russians? All the Ruskies. Because you can again, can't you? I guess. The Russians were our friends, or were they?

But now they're our enemies. Or are they? Yes. Definitively, yes. That's right. Yeah, it's cool that they influence world affairs. I think that's really cool. It's fun.

But also, it's PC gone mad. It's true. You should just let them do it. I think so too. Anyway, excited for Top Gun or Top Bum? Top Fun or Top Bum? What do you think? What do you think?

Here we go. Look, I mean, there's always a chance for it to be top fun. But based on this, I just feel like it might be top bum, you know? Yeah, fair enough. Which is bad in this instance. Yes. What's the, who's the director? Do you know?

No. Why would I know? Why did I ask you that? Why would I know? Joseph Kaczynski, who I think he did that one. Yeah, he did Oblivion. And Tron Legacy, your favorite movie. I like Tron Legacy.

I like Oblivion, so there you go. I'm glad this guy's doing more stuff because I feel like he's made some stuff that people are like, eh, none, and didn't do super well, but that's good. I'm glad. That's actually it for news. Okay, right.

Well, we should talk more about Maverick then. Nah, let's just... Look, I figure we just will do an ad and then we'll just move on to the next thing because why are people here, we should talk more about Maverick then. Nah, let's just, look, I figure we just will do an ad. Okay. And then we'll just move on to the next thing because why are people here, really? To talk about Maverick. Top Gun Maverick? Yeah, Top Gun Maverick.

Volleyball. Jennifer Connelly's on his motorbike. Yeah. He's zooming about. Having fun. Was she in Top Gun 1? No, they've replaced the lady. Kelly.

Because the woman who he was the love interest of then is aged like a real person. So they can't use her. On the same scale as he's aged, one year per year. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. Well, then obviously you've got to get rid of her. I mean, Jennifer Cotterley would be close to 50, wouldn't she?

No, maybe. I reckon she's an 80s star. I mean, she's also been a star beyond that. Yeah, she's 49. Oh, there you go. Yeah, shove it up your ass, Mason. Top bum to you, I say. Wow.

Yeah. How old's Tom Cruise? 56, I want to say. Okay, all right. Okay, that's reasonable. Exactly. That's a normal, okay. As long as...

57. Right, okay. How is this prick 20 years older than us? I made magic. Because he looks younger than us. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, right. Yeah. Well, I I mean that's good

That it's a woman who is 49 And not a woman who is 30 It's not as cool though is it? Nah it's not cool I mean he flies planes and everything Imagine if he was dating Miley Cyrus Wouldn't that be cooler? Oh my god

You know Tom Cruise's wives Are all the same age when he married them They're all like 28 They were all 28 Interesting okay Yeah Well eventually we're going to learn That that the same age when he married them. They're all like 28. They were all 28. Interesting. Okay. Well, eventually we're going to learn that that's the age that he murdered his first first wife that we don't know about.

Secret first wife. Yeah, she was 28. Then he murdered her. And then he's like, well, I've got to replace her immediately. Get my boys on it. I just want to quickly say that What If is going to be 10 episodes, the Marvel season. Oh, yeah, that's right. Which is more than the other ones, which are like six or eight or nine. Less.

I don't know the number, but less. You're pretty sure. Thanks. And they've already got ideas for season two, I think they said. Kevin Feige might have said that this week. Yes. Yes. He would.

They would. They'd have to because I was trying to think about it. They're called the What If comics. Yes, that's right. That ran for decades. Well, but they're also kind of, they're more MCU based. Well, yeah.. Yes, that's right. That ran for decades. Well, but they're also kind of more MCU-based. Well, yeah. Yeah, you're right.

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Star Wars Episode 9, everybody. The Rise of Skywalker. This will be a shock to almost nobody, but it flopped in China, as all Star Wars movies always do. Because of the ghosts. Because of the ghosts. Yeah, so China, this is not really that relevant to this review, but China didn't get Star Wars when it first came out, so they have no nostalgia for it, so they just always tank.

It's quite funny. So that's kind of a good barometer. Yeah. Like if something's not being powered by nostalgia, how does it do? Yeah. Not well, evidently. It turns out. Okay.

So the other thing is, as far as box office openings go, there was talk that, like, is this one going to flop because, you know, The Last Jedi was controversial and solo bombed and etc and so forth it's going to make between 175 and 200 million in the u.s opening weekend which is a huge opening but it's also behind the last jedi's 220 million and the force awakens 248 million interesting so declining return on investment there that's's right. Our investment. That's right, our investment. The response has been mixed critically. The response to it in general is varied,

and it's too early to kind of get an idea of, like the Rotten Tomatoes user score is high, the Metacritic is lower. I can't really get a handle on it this far in what the general consensus is, but I would say it's more positive on the fan side than it is the critic side. Yeah, I would agree with that.

There's a lot of people out there going, I don't know if I like this. I should watch it again. That's how they get you. That's how they get you. Yeah, well, that's the thing. A lot of the times when these movies do well, it's repeat business.

Yeah. You know what I mean? So there's a number of reasons why this did less. There probably is a slight sense of Star Wars fatigue in general. That being said, this is not a bomb. This is still a massive success. Yeah, right. I did point that out.

I think the response to The Last Jedi probably has a little bit to do with it. Well, and that's what's interesting, I think, is also that people's perception of why it's not doing as well is entirely dependent on whether you like The Last Jedi or not. It's like going into a dark side cave. Yeah, right.

What do you bring to it? I brought like a life-sized replica of Darth Vader. Yeah. And then you chop its head off. Really? And then its face explodes and your own face is there. You bring that with you, but they have one of those in there. Yeah, I know.

It's awkward. I'm like, should I use it? So he comes out of the shadows and you're like, I've got this. Yeah, just don't worry about it. And he's like, do I still get paid for this? And I'm like. No, obviously. Yeah, I brought my own.

It says B-Y-O-D-V-C. Clone. Yeah, exactly. W-E-H with exploding head. What's happened? I've already lost the thread. Anyway, but yeah, it's so. I think there are people out there who are going to be like, well,

it didn't do well because people hated The Last Jedi and they're expecting this to do too poorly. It's going to be just as bad, so I'm not going to go see it. And I'm sure there's also people who are going, well, I don't think this one's very good and would spread that it's not very good, so I'm not going to watch it or recommend it. And you know, I think it could also be a factor.

Return of the Jedi did really well comparatively to Empire Strikes Back. I think it did a little bit better from memory, but I think that was also because Empire Strikes Back ended on a cliffhanger and The Rise of Skywalker didn't. It just kind of like... Do you mean The Last Jedi? Sorry, and The Last Jedi didn't. Spoiler alert, The Rise of Skywalker doesn't end on a cliffhanger.

That's right. So I think that we didn't spend three years like they did in the 80s being like, what is going to happen? To fashion. Yeah, that's right. What are we going to do with all these snap bands? Was that the 80s? Yeah, right. Being like, what is going to happen? To fashion. Yeah, that's right. What are we going to do with all these snap bands? Was that the 80s? Yeah, that was maybe, yeah.

What are we going to do with these hyper-colour T-shirts? I think that was the 90s. Well, what are we going to do? How are we going to get them ready for the 90s? Thank you. Good. So I think that was also a factor. I think there's a number of factors.

But also, again, these numbers aren't final. And there'll be a drop-off, as there always is after opening week and there's going to be a drop off once they instigate my new rule if you have to take away the marketing budget yes then you see how much a movie is really really worth yeah anyways we're going to do non-spoilers then spoilers what did you think of this movie uh look finales are difficult aren't they they certainly are it's difficult to just especially when there was already a finale of sorts in the last one. Yeah, right? Yeah. There's some things in this that I really liked, and I'll come back to that in spoilers. But overall, I found this pretty kind of flat and underwhelming as a film.

Hollow. A lot of people have said hollow, and I feel I agree with that. I said when we did the video that for a lot of people, this is going to check every box to make a great star wars movie yes and for for other people it just checks boxes and to me i felt like it just checked boxes for two hours yeah right it was like okay we've got to get this person to do this we're gonna this person to say this we're gonna fulfill a destiny we're gonna go to a planet we've got to see all a bit of fan service yes when i say a bit of fan service i

mean a lot of fan service. Sure. And then end. Easter egg video linked below if people want to check it out. Oh, good stuff. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Was that stressful? Mitch is editing it, so no. For him.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is. Look, one thing that I feel like about whether you like The Force Awakens, whether you like The Last Jedi, I feel like at least in those movies it felt like everybody was acting. Sure. Whereas I feel like with a couple of notable exceptions in this movie,

it feels like everybody's just saying lines. Yeah, right. Like it's just, okay, well, we've got to set this thing up and you have to say a cool thing. So here's your cool thing. Yeah. Okay, try it again. Cool thing.

Okay, you've said the cool thing. Move on. Next one. Yeah, yeah. Run off frame. Just a lot of that. Yeah. I think you're right, though. I think also if you really love this which a lot of people do great like honestly really good and i'm not trying to take that away from anybody if i didn't love it

as much same if you really hate it i don't want to take that away from you either hold that in your heart genuinely but the thing is i think hold that hate in your heart yeah that's right it's a real jedi sith situation isn't it that's right. Don't let the other side sway you because that's a trick. They try and trick you every time. I think also as far as general audiences go, if you're not really a Star Wars fan, because that's where the money is as well, is with general audiences.

Not for diehard fans. It's for general audiences. Diehard fans aren't going to see it. Of course they're not. They're going to see Die Hard because it's a Christmas movie and it's Christmas time. That's what they're doing right now. They're just lining up around the block to watch Die Hard in some's a Christmas movie and it's Christmas time. That's what they're doing right now. They're just lining up around the block to watch

Die Hard in some sort of Christmas themed theatre. They've got ho ho ho t-shirts on. Wearing little hats. They're holding machine guns. Exactly. Because the thing is to a general audience I'm not talking fans. This presents like Star Wars. Like you said there's lightsabers, there's space combat, there's

revelations about who's who, there's twists and turns. Flips. Flips obviously. That's what i meant when i said yes so i think this would just be the same as any other if you're a casual fan because it just does all of those things with villains that you've seen before you know what i mean or maybe villains you haven't seen before yes maybe we'll get to that in spoilers spoilers the thing is as well, there is a breakneck pace to this from the very get-go. And I didn't enjoy that aspect of it. Not because I was like, what's happening? I can't follow this.

It just felt kind of unrelenting for quite a lot of it. I mean, that's what a man who isn't following it would say. Yeah, sure. I mean, I understand when they've got to get a thing to get another thing to get the next thing to get the thing after that. All of that makes sense to me. Yes. But it was really just running from place to place, planet to planet. Yeah, it was a series of fetch quests.

Yes. A la a video game. But if you're not playing the video game, if you're watching somebody play a video game, I don't find that exciting at all. Yes. I think I said this in the video as well. I stand by it.

Yes. This movie doesn't feel like a sequel to The Last Jedi because so much of the stuff established in The Last Jedi, especially towards the finale, they just ignore. They build on some of it in odd ways. Yeah, right. To try and make it a different series of films. Yeah.

But it also doesn't feel like if you went, okay, well, I didn't like The Last Jedi, so I'll just ignore it. It doesn't feel like if you went okay well i didn't like last jedi so i'll just ignore it it doesn't feel like a sequel to the force awakens either because there's so much missing in the middle yes so this this to me feels like the sequel to the proposed last jedi remake the fan made last last jedi remake which at this point has his uh has acquired 417 million dollars in pled. That's nearly enough. I know, right? For marketing alone.

I agree. So, you know, as soon as they get permission from Disney, notoriously protective corporation Disney, to get that remake gone. But it feels like they've just gone, okay, imagine in the middle, in between Force Awakens and this, there was a movie, it's the movie we all wanted. Yes.

And there's flips and there's lightsaber battles and everybody's cool and has abs. Yes. And then throughout this, there's hints that, you know, certain characters are returning and this, you know, there's hints towards what's going to happen in the third one. And this is a sequel to that. Yes.

But it doesn't make any sense. Yeah. There's definitely some game-breaking elements in here for me as well it's interesting you say that because spoiler alert the emperor is back in this i mean if you've seen the marketing the emperor is back in some form right you've seen the poster and whatever i assume we've known for like a year if i could make one change and this would not fix everything but i think it would make this movie more compelling and make more sense what do you think you know better than chris terrio the writer of batman v superman and

justice league we'll get to that okay fine but that's what i'm saying also that's what i'm saying if you hold that thought that's what i'm saying this is how justice league felt because in batman v superman yeah there's a lot of weird stuff where superman's like this mopey dick and batman's out there like machine gunning people and like crushing people's heads with a batmobile or whatever and when that movie finished i'm, that's wildly out of character. How are they going to fix that in the next one? What plot elements are they going to change? What big reveals are they going to be like to say,

okay, well, actually, Batman didn't kill anybody. He killed some robots or whatever. But in Justice League, they went, just move forward. Don't think about what happened in the past. We'll make a movie as if none of that happened. And that's the same technique they've seen employed in this. Sure sure i think it's better employed in this than it was in justice league but yeah that's a pretty apt comparison i don't know if you play fortnight mason knowing that you do extensively in all ways oh yeah he's playing it on his mobile telephone right now that's right

he's look he's old school so it's one of those you gotta crank the handle gotta phone yeah right you ring in and be like turn left that's right use use the building build the build the fort as is in the name if it's night yes obviously but at the very start of this movie spoiler alert for the very first thing that happens in the opening crawl it says that the there's a broadcast from the unknown regions from what appears to be the emperor and they released that that broadcast in Fortnite, in a Fortnite live event. That's the age we live in, okay? So if you want to hear it, I've got a video about voice cameos that you can hear it in. So is this voice, is this, do we see this in the movie?

No. Okay. And the reason, and what I'm saying is, if they had have added that to the very last scene of The Last Jedi, then I think it would have gone a lot further to make this a more comprehensible reason for the Emperor being back and not like a weird retcon that he was maybe always there the whole time.

If you at least went back one movie and went, hey, hint, hint, you might still be around. Or even just, I mean, put it on YouTube. Do a short film. Or even a short film. Do a long film. Do a long film. But do it like one of those,

just put up like, go to Disney's channel or the star wars channel or whatever and just you know put it up as like yeah test footage not for release or something like that and people be like what's this and you click on it and it's yes you know the emperor i think that works as well i think it would have been i mean i think if they had thought of it yes like because they weren't going to bring the emperor back that was a colin colin tavar wasn't going to do it when he was making the movie. They probably would have put it in the movie. But yeah, they could have put it in a comic or a book or, like you said, a

viral marketing thing. But it's just kind of dumped in your lap at the start of this movie. And it's never really rectified at how we got here. And I know it will be. And I don't think we, ultimately, I don't think we need an explanation as to why he is back if there were some clues in prior movies.

Because he's a villain. I don't need to know the exact specifics of like, well, force, magic and clones and blah, blah, blah and all that. I don't need to know the rules specifically. But if there was some element, if there were clues throughout the previous two movies and then he returns in this one, I'd be like, okay. And again, we are going to get retcons in the future in comic book form or we're going to get it. J.J. Abrams is going to be asked about stuff. Forever.

Forever. They're going to be like, okay, in Force Awakens, when we see this clip or this character looking to the left, what are they looking at? And you'll be like, the Emperor. The Emperor was there. The Emperor was there. The Emperor was there, obviously. Of course he was there.

He was giving the thumbs up off screen. That's right. Go evil. Evil forever. Yeah. You mentioned Chris Terrio, though, and this feels more Batman v Superman than The Force Awakens is because The Force Awakens was co-written by Lawrence Kasdan,

who worked on both Return of the Jedi, but more famously Empire Strikes Back. And he reigned in a lot of the craziness and ideas of George Lucas and kind of streamlined them, right? And I feel like a lot of the reason why The Force Awakens works well for me, I know it's not for everybody, as a soft reboot and a continuation, I think it does, is because it feels more like it brings in those key elements of Star Wars more naturally,

whereas this feels like kind of herky-jerky. A bit herky-jerky, you say. In terms of storytelling, you know what I mean? I think bringing back Lawrence Kasdan would have gone a long way to making this more in line with the previous movies. Because I think even if you hate The Last Jedi, which we don't, leave your comments, but I think there is still a natural progression there. Yes.

Again, you might disagree, but I think whether you still a natural progression there. Yes. Again, whether or not, you might disagree, but I think whether you like it or not, I feel like it's still like, okay, what came before and how can we extend on that? Even if you don't agree, but this feels like what came before, how can we fix that? Yeah, right. I feel like, again, a lot of this movie feels to me not like,

okay, what can we do in this scene to make it the most thrilling? It's what can we do in this scene that will upset the least number of people? I think they were like, okay, what can we do in this scene to make it the most thrilling? It's what can we do in this scene that will upset the least number of people? I think they were like, okay, in every scene we've got a choice between A and B. A will upset fewer people. And it's the most status quo kind of thing. So let's do that. And they just did it for two hours. Absolutely, yeah.

I think a really good example of that is where there's going to be a big battle at the end. And Dominic Monaghan's character says, why don't we just do the Holdo maneuver? You know, like in The Last Jedi, he says, that was rad. And it looked good visually, he said. Yeah, for sure. It made a real impact on the universe. Remember that time it was real quiet? Yeah.

And then it was quiet. And it was quiet. And someone's like, that was one in a million. That would never work or whatever again. It's not one in a million. It's turning a ship and pointing at another ship. Right. I think if you've never flown a spaceship, could do that right right i mean it's probably a button for probably a button turn it in one direction and then shoot yeah you probably have to turn some safeties off or whatever i'd imagine but like you don't need to go out of

your way to be like don't even worry about that because we're not going to do that again that's something that happened and you don't need to explain away why you're not doing it again. You're just not doing it. Yeah. You know, you're not doing it because they don't do the exact same thing in every movie every time except for the time they blow up the Death Star three times.

That's neither here nor there. Yeah. Yes. So Princess Leia's returned. Yep. I feel it looks flawless. Yeah. If you watch the original scenes

and there's some of them available, deleted scenes, like they've completely changed her outfit and the setting and it just looks like she's there. So this is unused footage from previous movies. Force Awakens specifically. Okay, right. They had like eight minutes of footage. And they've recontextualized the stuff she said. Yes.

And they've put different actors up against her and they've changed changed clothes and and outfits and stuff that being said it looks like when you go online and you get like a darth vader voice sampler yeah it's like the force is strong with you or whatever and she's like someone goes to her princess leia what should we do and she's like well if we just believe in ourself you know what i mean it just feels like. Look, it feels. It's like whatever they had. It's the jerky boys. It's you call up a pizza place. You got your Arnold. And they're like, what would you like?

And you're like, I would like you to believe in yourself. They're like, okay, but what kind of pizza would you like? The force is strong with you. Yeah, I know, but just what pizza do you want? And they're like, jerky boys. Are they still doing it? I don't know. They are.

They're rotary phones. But am I wrong in thinking that? No. I think it's you're in a tough position. What do you do? Because an element of this movie is that she plays like a role in Ray's training. And I think that that was probably the original idea,

to get her in and have her as like the new mentor. And they do a little bit of it but there's only so much you can do with 14 lines of dialogue you know what i mean yeah yeah i mean the jerky boys would say otherwise but sure well they're not still around they're an art unto themselves that's true yeah exactly they're like the banksy of crankbone so there isn't um this is probably a more spoiler thing so we might have jumped over to that but there is some

inclusions of some new force powers or an extension of. Yes. You feel that works okay? I think that works for the most part, yeah. I think though we should

just jump into spoilers. Okay, but first of all before we do that, we've got some more positives I think we talked about in the video but it's nice to have Poe and Finn

and Rey back together. Yes. I think that's good. They're a good team up. Yes. They're a good throuple. Yeah. It's fun to and Rey back together. Yes. I think that's good. They're a good team up. They're a good throuple. Yeah. It's fun to have them all together. They look like they might kiss each other at any point.

That chemistry is sizzling hot. Oh, my God, it's sizzling hot. They're swapping jackets. They're probably swapping pants. They're probably swapping pants. So that's good. Adam Driver's good in this movie. He is, yeah.

That's good, solid work. I think he gets treated the best in this. And I think Ray gets treated the worst. No, Kelly Marie Tran gets treated the worst. Oh, sorry, I'd forgotten. I'd forgotten she was in this movie. So, look, I don't think this is a spoiler. If you didn't want Kelly Marie Tran in this movie, you're in luck.

If you wanted her off Twitter and off this movie, you pretty much got your wish because in this movie they're like it and it even it even feels like it's not just that she's just in the background for some of it or she's you know seen doing another mission somewhere they they there's they make a point of having a scene where i think finn says you're gonna come on this mission and she's like got to look at some plans. Got to look at some Star Destroyer schematics. I have to stay here and not be in this movie.

And the interesting thing is there's an element at the end of where you could have reintroduced her because she is a starship expert. Like in the last one, she works out where the signal is coming from, with Finn's help, of course. And they don't give that role to her. They give it to a different character. And that to me feels kind of, look, even if you love or hate that character, I think that's still a missed opportunity to be like,

well, this person in this universe is established to know this particular thing. So maybe you want to at least have her mention the idea of it. Or maybe she could be like, I'm busy. Why don't you get the second best person? This rando. That's right. And similarly there, you know, people have, since The Force Awakens has come out,

they've been like, Finn and Poe should get together. And they're like, well, we're not going to do that. But there is definitely going to be some LGBT, cube, IA, et cetera, representation in this movie. At the end, just two ladies kiss. An absolute coward's move. Right? Because I think I saw people talking about it as well,

that is this to appease the Chinese market because you can just cut it out really quickly. But they don't do well in China, as we've just talked about. So, I mean, but at the same time. Because of the threat that Finn and Poe will kiss. That's right. At any moment. The tension's too sizzling.

But I feel like, for one, I know it's baby steps. You know what I mean? In a big film like this, you've got to ease people into it. You know what I mean? Babies. Babies. That's why you need the baby steps. For babies.

But then again, I feel like also audiences are okay with this kind of stuff. For the most part. And if not, it's the world we live in. Sure. Yeah, but I think the natural progression, it maybe would have been interesting to hint something about Poe and Finn. But then again, also, are you just doing fan service then? Oh, right.

And the other thing is, and I saw an interesting criticism of having those two get together, is it kind of undermines the point that two men can be friends and affectionate and kind to each other. That is true. And big each other up without being like, well, they're gay, aren't they? Right. You know what I mean? So I think there's also, that's a very valid point, you know, to be like, well, you can only be like that if you love somebody

and you want to kiss them, you know what I mean? That's true, right? So, you know, there's a number of ways you can look at it, but it's still a coward's move to put that kiss in, yeah. Also, I think Rey's character arc is kind of, I think she's treated kind of shabbily. We'll get to it in. Well, let's do spoilers.

Let's do spoilers. Yeah, look, I think that, you know, her entire character arc was, you know, in Force Awakens, it's who are my parents? And in the second one, it was. Who are my parents? Who are my parents? But it turns out they're nobody's.

But who your parents are isn turns out that nobody's yeah but your parent who your parents are isn't important yeah it's who you are and who you are now what you're going to do with your life now spoilers well is the spoiler point where we're going to talk about oh best movie ever or worst movie ever i might just i might just talk through this and then i'll i'm gonna say i'm gonna say worst movie ever yeah and look it's not it's not it's not a terrible movie but i feel like again it just felt very trite to me and just people saying their lines until they got to the end. And just the space battles, the lightsaber fights, they were there,

but to me they weren't interesting. Yeah, I agree. I think, I mean, love or hate The Last Jedi, I think there's like a simplicity to the space battles and even land battles or whatever, and this is just chaos. Like a million ships and a million horses. They've been like, we've built 10,000 starships. But the last Jedi was like, you had a row of AT-STs and some speeders.

Yeah, right. Even the space stuff wasn't like, it had Poe against one star destroying it. But this is just like, imagine there were a million TIE fighters. Imagine a million ships show up. That's much more dangerous than what was before. It's bigger and more. The stakes are higher than ever. You're right.

And I think it feels more in line with, say, Empire to have just a line of AT-ATs. One of the things I didn't like about The Force Awakens was that final space battle. Just like, we're going up against Starkiller Base and it's the biggest thing ever, but there's a million ships. Remember the Death Star was bigger than the Death Star. It was a million Death Stars.

Yeah. So spoilers. That's one of the things I didn't like about this, where they're like, you know how we got rid of the Death Star? Well, guess what? There's a thousand Death Stars. And just so you know it's a Death Star, we're just going to blow up this planet just quick, yeah?

Yeah, just quick, yeah. As that was happening, I'm like, am I supposed to know what this is? Like, what planet is this? Is there anyone on there that I know? It was a planet that was mentioned earlier but i think it was mentioned i think it was a planet they were on earlier in the movie for a minute but again they bounce between so many planets and again planets like fauna in the in the star wars universe completely disposable there's always plenty of them left so don't even worry about it. It's amazing they didn't kill that snake monster.

They kill literally every other monster. I forgot about the snake monster, yeah. What do you think about force healing this or force transfer your energy into another person thing? Yeah. It's already in Mandalorian. It showed up this week as well. Well, I think that's why it showed up in the Mandalorian.

I'm surprised it kind of tied in at all. I mean, it's only a little thing, but yeah. Yeah, I've written here, final order destroys a planet we've encountered an hour ago. Oh, okay. There you go. That's pretty good. Also, it's the final order.

What happened to the second order? Third order? A thousand ships, Mason! That's right. No, it was because it was a thousand ships. I think Richard E. Grant says something like, this will increase our force 10,000-fold. And I'm like, don't you have like a million as is?

What are the numbers here? Give me a rough estimate, Richard E. Grant. Yeah, come on, Richard E. Grant. Yeah. So they brought him in because Hux wasn't threatening anymore, I assume. I guess so. He's become sort of this farcical character. And that's a Last Jedi kind of, that's something that they did.

Yeah, right. What do you do? You know what I mean? Yeah. It's being a bit disposable. So a lot of people have mentioned this, that Anakin's sacrifice at the end of Return of the Jedi where he throws Emperor Palpatine down a big tube.

Yeah, yeah. And then goes, am I forgiven? And everyone goes, I mean, technically, yes. All right. So he brings balance to the force. Yeah. Because they weren't alive when he killed all those kids, probably. They probably were. They didn't see the force. Yeah. Because they weren't alive when he killed all those kids probably. They probably were.

They didn't see the holo feed. So do you think that that then negates the idea that he brings balance to the force? I don't know. Because he mentions in this. Yes. Because there's voice cameos. I've got a video on it. Okay.

That bring balance to the forces I did. But if the emperor was still alive, you didn't. He didn't balance nothing. Yeah. Right? Speaking of balance balance there's a scene in this they're like we've we've you can't possibly destroy these star destroyers with your ships we we've got shields and lasers and stuff and you we got a million lasers you can't possibly destroy this star destroyer so they're like let's do this old school and they bring on like space beasts some sort of like pack animals and they all like horses and they go up on the star destroyer and they destroy on space beasts, some sort of pack animals, and they all, like horses, and they go up on the Star Destroyer

and they destroy it that way. Just tip the Star Destroyer to one side, I reckon. Everybody out there, again, I'm going to say this a lot, whether you like The Last Jedi or not, there are people out there who are like, yeah, well, remember the start of The Last Jedi when the bombs fall? There's no gravity in space, so how could the bombs hit the thing? It's ridiculous.

There's no, they don't know nothing about it. Just tip the Star Destroyer to's ridiculous. They don't know nothing about it. Just tip the star to destroy it. At one side, they'll fall off. They'll all fall off. I didn't think of that. They'd fall off. They're not horses with octopus tentacles that stick to things, are they? What they did, they took actual horses and put masks on them.

That's right. So they're just regular horses. Yeah. Hooved and feeten. That's right. Hooved and feeten. Hooved and feeten. Yeah. So I sawved and feeten. Hooved and feeten. Yeah.

So I saw this from Jenny Nicholson on Twitter, who you might know. She's got a YouTube channel. Does a lot of great stuff. Some of it Star Wars related. So the idea is that the Emperor who survived, I made a video on how he may have done that because they don't explain it.

I think what happened is he fell down the exhaust port or whatever it was. Yeah. And he landed on that arm. Yeah. You know, that we see in this movie. He just got stuck on it. Yes.

And then he just got some of his men to move the arm to that planet. He must have surfed the explosion out of there like a rad cool dude. I think so, yeah. Like Pierce Brosnan. He died the other day. Yeah. Yeah. So some people are saying.

Hag 10. Do it. Do it. Hag 10. Some people are saying that that's the original emperor's body and that's why it's propped up because it was recovered but he didn't seem to have the scarring of the original emperor so i think it's supposed to be a clone there's another theory that that's the original original emperor and he's always been projecting himself into that body so when you killed the emperor

you didn't kill the real emperor you killed oh he was somewhere else somewhere else so the idea is also that he created snoke you You see a tank of Snokes? Just some spare Snokes. It's a Snoke heavy tank. Yeah. Just like a lobster tank at a restaurant. They're all just in there like, oh, I hope I don't get sacrificed.

I hope I don't get pulled out of the tank and forced to be head of the First Order for a bit and then I get cut to pieces with a lightsaber. If I'm going to be sacrificed, I want to choose a golden robe. If I'm going to go out. That's right. I'm going to go out in I want to choose a golden robe. If I'm going to go out. That's right. I'm going to go out in style.

That means he's capable of just cloning incredibly powerful force users. Or at least channeling his body, his energies through it. So do you think, so in this, I think it's a physical puppet and he's controlling it. I don't know because they don't explain it. They don't explain it. It's true. But I think if he can talk through Darth Vader's mask using his voice.

Right. Maybe it's got his consciousness in it and he's just got a few of them. But how is he tricked by the lightsaber thing then? Anyway, it doesn't matter. We'll get to that. Okay, Jenny Nicholson says. Says that if you did create Snoke, there's an obvious answer to this is because that wasn't always the origin for Snoke. Yes.

Why wouldn't you create somebody more handsome and less like a ghoul? Right? You know? Yeah. You'd bring in a handsome, good-looking human being who didn't look like a literal monster. Just a towering goomer of a... Like, what is it? It doesn't look like anything else in the galaxy.

Bring in a character who, when they walk into a room, you don't go, What's with his face? Whoa! Whoa! I think that's a good point. Yeah, right? you don't go, what's with his face? Whoa. Whoa. You know? I think that's a good point. Yeah, right? That I didn't make.

Or they walk into the room and you go, what's with his slippers? Whoa. Why are they turned up at the end? Whoa. Whoa. Anyway. You know what's interesting about this movie is? Yes.

There are about three death fake outs. I've got one here. I wrote it in, what both of us did this week is we just opened up a notes thing on our phones and just every time we thought of something that made no sense, we just put it in. That's exactly it. So pre-spoilers, I've written, suggest consequences but never follows up on it. Yes. And then below here, I've gotten, well've gotten chew well chew back appears to be destroyed

in the in the transport explosion yeah for a minute and they don't know for 10 minutes but we find out like a minute later yeah right yeah i don't want chew backer to die no but if you're gonna do it commit to it commit to him yeah and i mean he dies they committed to akbar dying and i wasn't happy about it that's right but yeah this is what it is yeah and and you know chewy dies eventually in the the legends yeah hit by moon hit by moon exactly so i mean i would have been like oh okay so it's a parallel to the yeah the old books you know but uh yeah and also i again i'd have to watch it again to find out but it looks to me there was no clues i don't think there was a second there was a second ship they just put him on the ship and then it's blown up.

And then it's like, oh, but there was a second ship. It feels like they filmed it and they were like, how do we get out of this? Just say there was a second ship. Is there a time to film another thing? No. Their process is just keep writing scenes and never go backwards. That's right, yeah. Just be like, and then just say there was another ship and move forward.

They did it on a typewriter. Yeah, no way to go back. You have to white it out. You have to do white out. Or you have to scroll it back up and put X's through everything. Yuck. That brings me to the Knights of Ren, though. I do want to talk about more fake outs, but the Knights of Ren

have kind of been built up in movies and these movies and neglected on the whole. And I think, why would you introduce something and then, I think maybe they should have been the Imperial Guards from the Royal Guards from the last one. I'm sure J.J. Abrams had a plan to do something with them at some point. And boy has he. Boy has he.

Some dudes. Or girls. Or girls. So what it turns out that they are is they handcuff Chewbacca off screen. That's pretty badass. There's a moment where they circle Kylo Ren and beat him up. Yep. And then he gets a weapon and he kills them all.

That's the arc. Quite easily. The Knights of Red. Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, you know, a bunch of, you know, even though they were there and gone, a bunch of classic. They just had axes.

I was going to say a bunch of classic characters. Remember Axe Guy? Remember? Mesh Mask? All I remember was Axe Guy. I can't remember the other weapons, but I remember one guy having an axe and being like, all right, cool.

There is a comic on it at the moment, which kind of explains their origin and it's quite good. And it's been one issue and I recommend it. But, you know, maybe you want to flesh that out a bit more in the movies. That being said, I am. Maybe you do. Maybe you want to flesh out some movie characters in a movie. Yeah, it's good.

It's from good comic creators. So I'm happy to also read that. But most people won't. Aren't going to, yeah. But at least it gives them the opportunity to tell this interesting story because a lot of the times with star wars stories and comics and books you there's a lot of things that you cannot say and i think now that this trilogy is done c word the c word for one yeah yeah but that's all their names in the series they're all just c word one to six or however many of them. C-word axe guy. Yeah. C-word spear guy.

In the first two, they were like these terrifying presences and we, you know, they're always one step ahead of the good guys and they show up at a town and they've, the Knights of Ren, you just see the Knights of Ren just massacring a town and then taking off. And at the end when it's like, we massacred all of them, we're going to massacre you, Kylo Ren. Yes. And they beat him up and then he turns the tables on them.

That would be, people would be thrilled by that. But it's just some rando dudes we've seen for 30 seconds at a time in the last two movies. Well, not even the second one. Yeah, right. In the first movie. Yeah.

And then they're back, who cares? Who cares? They're just like a wave of random stormtroopers. Yeah. It's like they're stormtroopers but they've got black armor on. They're grosser.

Because they've got like weird gross suits or whatever. They do have gross suits, yeah. Yeah, and I also cannot tell them apart yeah like i think even with like if you look at the imperial guards if you look at like phasma i know who they are when i look at them right you know what i mean oh yeah i only know who the knights of ren are if there's seven of them standing in a row and i'm like well that must be if there is seven of them i don't know grumpy sleepy axi sea bomb that's grumpy yeah well yeah okay so the other death makeouts are kylo ren is about to die and he doesn't i mean he does anyway and c-3po

gets his memory wiped and it's a great sacrifice and then he gets his memory back and it's fine yeah exactly would have been you know what again if if this is allegedly the finale yes you can even bring his memory back in the next one you could be like oh the the memory the memory reboot failed yeah in this isn't that sad but he made the ultimate sacrifice that's what we want from c3p you know this is why he's been around i thought he was good in this yeah i did too and i think that i think he wasn't really used in the last movies that well he was good in this. Yeah, I did too. I think he wasn't really used in the last movies that well, but this one he was. And at the very least you'd go, of course, you know, he's been, you know, he's this weird little android this whole time,

but that's the reason he's here, because he is a hero like the rest of them. And I guess he was, but also, let's reverse it straight away. I really like the idea also that his programming dictated that he couldn't translate Sith text. I think that's interesting and I think it's funny. And I think also, like you said, you could wipe his memory and then maybe in the next trilogy, which they will do at some point, and they'll probably fix a bunch of shit from this or try to, I imagine,

that you could be like, we need this critical piece of data from him because he was around during the prequels or whatever. And then you could bring it all back then. Yeah, right. You know what i mean it's not a huge loss at the end if c-3po a character we won't see for 10 20 years doesn't remember some shit like it doesn't matter really you could even do it like search for spock style where yeah you maybe they attempt the memory you know reboot or whatever the the backup and it doesn't work and they have to put pointy ears on exactly that's right as antennae but then and you know you think it's gone and then or't work. And they have to put pointy ears on it. Exactly, that's right, as antennae.

But then, you know, you think it's gone and then, or even like, you know, they've done it with data as well. You think the memory's gone but then you can see snippets. Yes. Like it seems to return in snippets and you go, well, he'll be back one day kind of thing. That would be nice. Data or data?

Data. Yeah, because it's data. So that's what we're going with. Great, terrific. Data. I thought it was strange that they were like, oh, Poe Dameron has a checkered past. He was a smuggler.

And people were like, well, that's outrageous. Is it? No, he's a smuggler. It doesn't matter. Where are the rest of these rebel pilots coming from? Exactly. They're all terrible people. Where's Greg Grunny Grunberg from?

He grew up in the Resistance, apparently, from the comics or whatever. But he's dead? Yeah. I think he should be exploded. There you go. there's a sacrifice great but great yeah i like that character but i didn't care when he died was he in the previous two yes no previous one okay the force awakens poe dameron also i mean i i'm sure he just so abrams just

brought back his mates basically that's fine i guess sure but because he's like the wedge antilles which we'll talk about but um poe dameron in the comics and this is i think a lot of this stuff wasn't factored into this movie he he's the son of two rebel soldiers who were at the battle of endor and you looked skywalker so i guess he went off and did some smuggling stuff or whatever but to be like he's got this checkered past that's to me it's like it's like a rich kid who deals some weed and then just gets a job in a law firm because his parents did. That's about as interesting as that is to me. Yeah, right.

You know what I mean? I still like that character. He's got great hair. Oh my God, does he ever. Does he ever, yeah. I just saw this interesting tweet. It's from Chase Mitchell. It says, it's a shame Kelly Marie Tran died after making The Last Jedi, but I'm glad JJ tried to make the most of the footage they had left of her.

Brutal. Yeah. Here's a question. Yes, I'm ready. What's with that Sith dagger? I had left of her. Brutal. Yeah. Here's a question. Yes, I'm ready. What's with that Sith dagger? I mean, I know it's a dagger. Yeah. And it's got a thing that you click out.

Case closed. But you stand at any point near the Death Star. Yes. And you line it up with whatever's left of it. And it will point exactly to the thing you need to be in. Yep. Don't you think it would be better if it unlocked a door? Maybe even. Don't you think it would have been better if they held it up and it glowed when it went over the thing they were to be in? Yep. Don't you think it'd be better if it unlocked a door? Maybe even.

Don't you think it would have been better if they held it up and it glowed when it went over the thing they were supposed to be? You know what would have been better? If it was just a piece of paper and it said, go to this point on the Death Star. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

That works too. It'd say on the top of it, it'd say, rebel forces don't read this. Final order forces. PTO. Yeah. PTO. Go to this bit and get the cool stuff yeah dark ray right what'd you think uh yep they did it right they sure did also i thought it was very straight this is just a list of things i'm just thought was odd yeah yeah so the ultimate sacrifice that kerry russell made she had a magic coin which meant she could go

anywhere yeah and she gave it to Poe Dameron so he could land in the hangover Star Destroyer. Okay, I've written here. They're constantly landing in hangovers of Star Destroyer. That's what I'm talking about. Here's the thing. So I've written here. I know there's less guards, but it's never a problem.

Yeah. Well, I've written here. James, what I've written here. Okay. I've written Imperial Coin versus Mandalorian. And what I mean is, there was an episode recently of the Mandalorian. I think we talked about it last week. Sure. It's the one

where they have to get on the prison ship. Yeah. And it's Richard Ayoade's droid. Yes. He's just like okay we're going to do this and this and we're going to zip around and we're going to go above their shield, above their senses and we're going to drop down and it's fun and it's exciting and they don't need And they explain it in 10 seconds. Yeah and they don't need

an imperial coin and I feel like the second one is way more that that feels way more Star Wars. Yeah. And kind of, you know, fun and sort of space cowboy-ish. Then you collect a coin and then you go to a place and you insert the coin in the thing. And they just let you in. It doesn't matter what you're flying. Yep.

This ship covered in sand. Well, what happens is you plug the coin in. It's got a big snake bite in the side of it. Yeah, exactly. You plug it in and it says, final order, don't happens is you plug the coin in. It's got a big snake bite in the side of it. Yeah, exactly. You plug it in and it says, final order, don't read this. Just let him in. Yeah.

Rebel Forces PTO, got him. Got him, mate. Got him. Anyway, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so this is, I'm going to talk about some Palpatine stuff.

Okay, I'm ready. So it turns out that Princess Leia, General Leia, and maybe Luke, it seems, knew that she was a Palpatine. And decided to train her anyway, which I understand because you're not who your parents are, or in this case your grandparents are, because your dad is Darren Palpatine. Yeah, your parents are no one. I mean, one of them was the son of the Emperor. And we're not going to get into that at all, are we?

I mean, did he give birth to his son? Palpatine, okay. He's probably got a tube of him. He's got a tube of him. And we're not going to get into that at all, are we? I mean, did he give birth to his son? Is that? Yeah. Palpatine. Okay. He's probably got a tube of him. He's got a tube of him. Yeah, right?

See? Uh-huh. Yeah. So he had a son, Darin or Derek. Derek? Derek. That's a Star Wars name. Yeah, sure.

Derek Palpatine. Uh-huh. Yeah. It's not said in the movie, I believe, but I think it is the father that's the son, I believe. Or maybe it is said. I don't know. It is the father. No, son, I believe. Or maybe it is said. I don't know. It is the father. No, it is.

Okay, fair enough. But you don't want to tell Luke Skywalker, having lived through being withheld a piece of information about what his heritage was, and then getting stung with it at the worst possible moment. Fucking blindsided after getting his hand cut off. Even afterwards, he was like, what the hell, man? Like, you knew I was walking into that. You told me you couldn't help but you could have helped

by giving me that one critical piece of information. And what Ray's going to do is Ray would be like, why didn't you tell me that crucial piece of information? And they'd be like because that wasn't going to happen two years ago. It was going to be a different thing. So we didn't know at the time because we're not real people. We're just characters.

We're being written by different writers. We gain the information as you do, Ray. You're not even real either. What's going on? Anyway, I feel like the reveal... And then he just screams and then he pulls back and it's just a set on the Disney lot. Some of the extras just having coffee.

But we talked about before how the whole takes away from the destiny thing and like it adds that element of which I think is not as interesting. What I think is interesting about the Rian Johnson reveal is that that's the, he went out of his way to make sure it was the worst possible thing that she could hear. She wants to hear I'm Han Solo's daughter, I'm Luke Skywalker's daughter, I'm somebody important's daughter. We're all someone's daughter.

We're all someone's son. Exactly. How long can we look at each other down the barrel of a weird space binocular i was gonna say one of those big guns off the star destroyer because they're all a death star now yeah so i think that's interesting because that's a crippling piece of information but also she didn't really know who the emperor was surely no i mean she'd barely heard of luke skywalker i mean i'm sure she would have known who the previous hitler was i mean i guess that's true yeah what if they'd been like ray your father is that guy from the first movie who was like one quarter portion she'd be like oh gross dad

what do you give me more portions okay i yeah that's a good point no special treatment yeah i guess that's probably no favors yeah yeah you make you grow you grow Okay. Yeah, that's a good point. No special treatment. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I guess that's probably true. No favors. Yeah, yeah, I guess. Mate, you're growing up tough. Yeah, that's true. This is a question I'm genuinely asking people that I want to know the answer to.

Even if you hated The Last Jedi, which is fine, and I don't have a problem with that at all. Just tip the spaceship. Yeah, just tip the spaceship, obviously. The horses would fall off. Yes. Is this a better reveal that she's somebody than being nobody? Does this fix anything for you?

Put aside whether you love or hate it. Is this better? Because for me, whatever way you look at it, and obviously it's my opinion, I cannot see for me how it is. Yeah. And again, it just goes back to it's important who your family is. This is the only reason you're not a speck in this universe is because you're the granddaughter of this incredibly evil man.

Otherwise you wouldn't be here, you wouldn't be doing it, you'd still be a scavenger on this planet or whatever or just nobody. Yeah. I'm curious to know what people think about that. Let's talk more about the Emperor because his master plan is you strike him down and then you get all his power by you. He's going to go into you and then... But also all the Sith are in you,

which I believe is not really a thing for... This again goes back to like canon and things that George Lucas said. There's only ever two and the reason the Sith are obsessed with cheating death is because there is definitively no afterlife for them. The Jedi can live on, but if you like this certain lifestyle, let's say. Yeah, right. Like a Scientologist, there's just hell for you afterwards. I understand.

There's nothing there for you at the end, is my point. It's the same as Scientology. If you like black leather and red lightsabers, then stay alive as long as possible. That's right. So I don't feel like there would have been a million Sith to go in. Who are all those guys, anyway? It doesn't matter.

Someone had to build the spaceships, didn't they? So she absorbs all the Sith and gets the power. But also I feel like he's not the kind of guy to give up his power or his body or his mind to be one of a billion in another person. I assumed that his plan was that he would be the Dom because he's been around the longest, I guess. Oh, he's the dom. He's the dom, exactly.

That he is the major force. He would be the major force in his body. So my assumption was that he was banking on he would take control of Rey. Yeah, you're probably right. On some level. Okay, fair. But also his plan is, Rey, if you kill me, if you chop me up with your lightsaber,

I'll go into your body and take over your body and that's sucked in. Yeah, you won't like it. But later, if you whip out a second lightsaber and you come at me by believing in yourself and you zap me back with my energy. I've got all the Sith in me. You've got all the Jedi in you. We scream at each other. We scream at each other.

I'll absorb all your power but there's too much power then that won't happen so it's just a method if I chop you up if you chop me up, you're doomed but if you melt my face then you're fine

pretty good melting effect killing's killing I hear you, I completely agree but the wave of energy oh it's a wave when gohan defeated cell right the first time they blasted him cell was able to regenerate from a single cell oh hence the name hence the name cell but when he really blasted him he wasn't able to regenerate because even the cells wow disintegrated huh you should have had smaller cells. I agree, yeah. Yeah, we should have kept some cells somewhere else,

like in a box or whatever. Yeah, or in a cell. Yeah, in a cell, exactly. Or in the fridge. That's right. It's the perfect place. But yeah, that whole thing of like, you'll never stop me. Well, what if I have two lightsabers?

Oh, actually, that's two, isn't it? That's quite a lot. Because she's still trying to kill him I'm with you I don't disagree it's not a case of I don't have an argument against it

no but I'm saying the logic in the movie seems to be well I'm the emperor trying to kill you with my lightning yes but if you bounce

that back to me yeah and kill me with it it doesn't count yes but it should count yeah because you could just

dodge out of the way and not kill him. Do a dodge roll. Yeah. But if you're just coming at him, you're still killing him, you know? What did you feel about the Jedi cameos, though? I've got a video on it. I mentioned it. I felt it was a bit muddled.

Yeah. I mean, you can recognize Luke. Yeah. Because he's in the movie. He's in a lot of those. But some of the other ones, I'm like, is that supposed to be Qui-Gon? I can recognise Mace Windu. I've got a list and I've got actually what everybody says.

I've kind of muddled through it with Matt to kind of figure that out as a video. But yeah, I felt like that was a late in the day addition for people who are fans of the extended stuff because there were some animated characters in there. Oh yeah, Ahsoka. Ahsoka was in it, Kanan Jarrus, there's a few others. Right.

Dexter Jetster. Dexter Jetster makes an appearance, grievous, but just the robot parts. Just the worm. Clank, clank, clank. Those worms that nearly killed Padme. The sand. Anakin's finally made peace with the sand. Oh, he's okay with it.

He's okay with it now. Just sitting in it. Yeah, I love it. And a lot of people have mentioned this, and I tend to agree. It's kind of a missed opportunity to bring Hayden Christensen back. Yeah, right? I thought they were going to. I thought they were going to.

And that's fan service, obviously. But so is this. But it's not as good. What's weird about this movie is that the fan service... I don't mind fan service. Avengers Endgame is essentially all fan service, but at least it's done well. Yeah.

And it was kind of. They should have called it Avengers fan service like Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker. Yes. That's what they should have called it. I know. People still would have seen it. Right.

You know, at least they built up to it properly. I feel like this movie, it should have either been no fan service or all fan service yeah like or at least fan service done better i mean if we'd actually seen the force ghost that yeah you know had that's kind of what i was expecting i'd be like that would have been cool i think also at the end when ray sees the ghost of luke and princess leia that's an opportunity to also put in ben solo and anakin skywalker right it's kind of odd that ben's not there for one that seems more important Princess Leia, that's an opportunity to also put in Ben Solo and Anakin Skywalker. Right.

It's kind of odd that Ben's not there for one. That seems more important. But you've got your Skywalker lineage there, right? Well, I mean, that's true. But also, look, I have two thoughts about that. One is that. Well, you've got to get those white clothes. Exactly. Takes you a few years.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, firstly, I guess she didn't know anakin skywalker i think there might be some rule that you can't see someone if they don't yeah well she you've been sold but also they yeah i know but here that's the thing though because his last name's solo and the only the reason those two are there is so she can look over when the old lady asks her what her name is she can go yeah ray skywalker but i think it also would have been funner if she'd look back and gone ray moisture farm i think that would have been funny ray double sons yeah double double hot sons yes ray whatever weird creature you're writing ray old woman on a beast that's my name but i think i think it's genuinely because they're skywalkers

if solo if ben solo was also there she'd have to be like Solo, I don't know. Ray Ben Solo. Ray Ben Solo, exactly, yeah. That's exactly the thing that people hated about Solo, where they were like, oh, I'll just write Solo. You're right, yeah. People were like, oh, that's a bit on the nose. Oh, she looked at Skywalkers.

That being said, I prefer Ray Nobody. I do. That being said, I know I prefer Rey nobody. Yeah. I do. That being said, I do. Oh, there's a scene in the thing, there's a scene when they go to the weird Burning Man situation on that planet and the C-3-O is like, the child would like to know what your last name is. Tell her your last name. You know children are always asking what your last name is?

This specific species are very interested in that for some reason. We've landed on the planet that demands to know your lineage, where you're from, because that's important. Not the name you give someone, that you provide to them. They want to know, this is the disgrace planet. The planet of familial disgrace. That's what this is. Oh, you don't have one?

Well, go and jump in that fiery pit. Yeah, good point. But I also, look, i know it's naff but i also kind of like the idea that despite whoever you are in your destiny and wherever you're from you can choose to be what you want to be yeah so that's how i mean if you've got palpatine's powers obviously yeah if you are from palpatine's genetic lineage and therefore you've got incredible force powers then you can choose whatever you want to do hitley broom kid broom kid still broom kid isn't it was broom Kid in this?

He wasn't. I think Broom Kid's more a metaphor. And I'm glad they left it like that. Yeah, right. Broom Kid is like an idea of the future. Like Egg Boy. Like Egg Boy. Yes.

Exactly. Google Egg Boy. People know about Egg Boy, surely. Yeah, but not everybody. You never know. But he's a national hero. I agree. Also, it's Tatooine,

but who cares? Right. Because I think Kevin Smith talked about how there's this secret set that he had the opportunity to see and he decided not to because it was like the final shot

and it would have ruined the movie. Or maybe not the final shot, but it was a big reveal. I thought it might have been the crashed Death Star throne room. Okay. But what it actually was was going back to Tunisia.

Kevin Smith, go in here go into this plane they built it because if they went but i assume because if they went back to tunisia people would have known that they were there oh that's probably true yeah so i i think this is a very close kevin smith don't go in there because it's a series of green screens there's nothing there but we've written tatooine moisture farm on some pieces of pieces of paper. Yeah, that's right. So watch out. You'll get the idea. Yeah, I think that's what it was. But that wasn't an interesting reveal

because we saw it at the end of Revenge of the Sith. We saw it in the original trilogy a couple of times. We've seen sand planets forever. Yeah. We just saw it in The Mandalorian. Oh, I was going to say in this movie. Yes, exactly, in this very movie. Here's a question for people. This is actually a tweet I was going to say for Laban. Yes, exactly, in this very movie. Here's a question for people.

This is actually a tweet I was going to say for later, but I'm going to put it now. Okay. It's from Joe. He says, is The Rise of Skywalker better or worse than Return of the Jedi? Better than Revenge of the Sith? And are third movies in the trilogy ever good? Well, finales are difficult, aren't they?

Yeah, sure. But I thought that was an interesting question in terms of wrapping up this trilogy. Sure, but I thought that was an interesting question in terms of wrapping up this trilogy, how does it compare between, as in wrapping up Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi? Because I think this does a worse job than both of those movies at wrapping up the trilogies on the whole. Yeah.

There is, I mean, I'm not a huge fan of the prequels, but that closes up a lot of the things that those movies do. Yeah, at the very least, look, I don't like the prequel trilogy at all, but at least it has a singular vision for the most part throughout those three. And it had a, you know, at least Lucas knew where it was going. At least he knew how many flips he was going to do a movie. Heaps.

40, a movie. Yeah, nice. Yeah, I know, I just thought that was an interesting question. And again, you know, Return of the Jedi, you know, people don't like or do not like the Ewoks. Yeah. You're in this, though. Yeah, they are.

Two Ewoks. Two Ewoks. Two Ewoks. But, you know, I think it's probably a pretty solid finale in all things considered. It's got the whole Vader and the Emperor and Luke bit. I think the start and the end of Return of the Jedi are really good. Yeah, I agree. So you mentioned the Ewoks.

Let's talk cameos. Okay. Lando is cameos. Okay. Lando is in it. Yep. He just looks like he wants to have sex with that woman with the N, right? He's like, who are you from? Yeah, exactly. Where are you at?

Here's the thing, though. Yes. It's been talked about. Is it probably his daughter? It's probably his daughter because I think in some of the books it's going to be revealed or maybe it's been hinted at that he had a child stolen. But I think maybe. He's pretty chipper, all things considered.

Well, it's been a long time, and he's probably got a lot of kids. But some of them to robots. He's probably like, whew, that's a relief. Yeah. Don't have to pay that alimony check this month. So I think Lando being reunited with someone, like showing some grief there. By the way, I think Billy Dee Williams is really good in this.

When he shows up, he felt alive and like he was having fun. And, you know, and I think maybe you want to- He did some flips. He did some flips. He did a hundred flips. They didn't catch him on film, unfortunately. He's just happy to be there, yeah. Don't you think he was-

Also, him hitting on his daughter is pretty much par for the course. Oh, yeah. Star Wars style. He probably knew. No, I mean, like, just characters in Star Wars. You're not wrong. Also, aren't Rey and Ben Solo then technically related? Well, Palpatine created Anakin through the Force, so yes.

I mean, spiritually at the very least, which is still weird. I think so. The other thing is Han Solo makes an appearance, and I didn't really care. Huh. What about you? Okay, here's something that i disliked in this movie i i'm okay with han solo being there it's lines that are just in there just to be said they don't

mean anything it doesn't feel like there's a moment in that where i think uh kylo ren says to han i wanted i know what i have to do but i don't know if i'm but I don't know if I'm strong enough. And Han says, well, you are. You got any examples or you're going to help me out with that? The other thing is he's a memory. So that's like you murdered someone and then you imagine them forgiving you. That's how that is. Again, not to be like, this is how I would have done it

and I would have made a better movie because I wouldn't. But I think it would have been. Well, I would have. No, you wouldn't. I would. How dare you. No, I would have. I'll stand by that.

As someone who will never get the chance to make a Star Wars movie, I will. I'd make a better one. They have an estranged relationship and that was not a real scenario. It was an imagined scenario because Han Solo can't come back through the Force or whatever, right? So what if it was we had a flashback and he had a memory of Han Solo teaching Ben how to pilot the Millennium Falcon when he's a boy and he gives him like a life lesson about like forgiveness and being who you are and you know I'll always love you no matter what and all that don't you think that

would have made it worked and you could even say oh you know would you put that in your better movie that you made yeah uh but yeah I mean you could say, oh, you know. Would you put that in your better movie that you make? Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, you could say that memory, you know, when he turned to the dark side, although, you know, so many memories disappeared, you know, and he couldn't recall them and that's how he was. And then, you know, once he's gone through all his trauma, then one of them resurfaces and you go, and he goes, I can do it.

That's actually pretty cool. I can. That's pretty cool. I also thought Adam Driver's turn to Ben Solo, it felt like a genuine character change. And his performance, even his stance, you know, he's kind of hunched and he's really defensive with the lightsaber, like he

holds it up, like it's quite threatening. I always find it quite threatening, to be honest. But I think there were some really standout moments from The Last jedi one like when they the lightsaber cut snoke in half luke walking out to the battlefield i know he wasn't real but i actually really love that i think but he was real in the sense that again he was i mean he

made a difference he made a difference and he's and that you know the whole point and and he was that's the last of his life yes you know so even though he wasn't there doing flips and yeah chop and at at legs off or whatever it was it's still i really liked that but you may not have but the only i just said that i did okay yes i'm talking to people listening watching i am listening and watching i'm sorry jeez louise i thought ray passing him the lightsaber yes and him bringing it out was like a genuine moment in this movie that i loved yep and his stance how he's kind of holding it the way that a jedi would he feels like ben solo more

than kylo yeah right he does that kind of little shrug yeah right and he just cuts through him yeah i thought that was and then he's like did i do that he did yeah but i would again it would have been nice if he was defeating some villains we cared about. Great. Yeah, that would have made it even better. Oh, boy. But I also liked the extension of that previous Force power. Me too. But I guess it doesn't kill them if they do it. I also think it would be funny if you were watching those lightsaber fights

when they're projecting themselves. Because can you see the other person? No, you can't, I don't think. That's fun, then. Yeah, it is fun, yeah. You're like, look at this lunatic. The aging was pretty good in this. The Luke looks better than the Leia, I felt. Yeah, no, you're right. then yeah it is funny like look at this lunatic de-aging was pretty good in this the luke looks

better than the layer i felt yeah no you're right yeah yeah that again lends to my theory that they were going to get princess later trainer they're going to do that for the whole movie if she was she was alive now a lot of people have mentioned this to me because we had a hot scoop and a shot of poop the matt smith was going to play the young emperor in this yes i looked into this right now maybe that was a shot of poop i'm not willing to acknowledge that as of yet i did some background research and some bit of digging variety did confirm the reputable source that matt smith was in this movie i think that he was a young emperor clone at some point either puppeting or he was gonna be a body that he

transferred into or whatever and they took it out to get more in McDermott in this because he was definitely in this. And there's also like an alien character that they went, well, maybe this is Matt Smith and it's just like whoever. I don't think you hire Matt Smith to do a weird nothing cameo. I think that that was a major part of this movie that they took out. I don't know that for a fact. I've got a video on all the stuff that I've kind of gathered coming up. Well, at the very least,

you're building up your own sort of backlog of fake evidence for that. So I don't have to eat a shot of poop. That'll help you in your case against doing a shot of poop. Exactly. Anyway, do you think there's anything to it? No, I think that seems plausible, yeah. I might be wrong. Here's one piece of fan service that I think people are largely in favour of

but I think sucks is at the end Chewie gets a medal. No, I don't like that at all. I think in a better movie that would be a fun piece of fan service. Also, they did it in a comic recently. Oh, did they? So he's got two medals now. Well, he gave that one away. So, no, he's got one.

He's got one medal. Okay. He gave it away because he didn't want it. To me, this piece of fan service is kind of nailing the coffin of like god we'll just look we've done

we've we've fixed all the things that the fans have been yelling about for the last couple of years what else have they been yelling about let's just check the internet for rumors

oh people don't people don't like that Chewie never got a medal at the end of Star Wars people are also over that like that's a joke now people are like well he should have got a medal

yeah yeah he should have but it doesn't, well, he should have got a medal. Yeah, yeah, he should have. But it doesn't. He didn't. He didn't get a medal. Because he's a dog man. That's why. He would have eaten it. Where were they going to put it? I mean, around his neck. For a moment I thought it was one of the pinning ones. But he would have eaten it.

Yeah. He would have had to fish it out of his stool. He would have eaten it. Well, you know what? I was kind of like, man, that Ben Solo stuff I really liked. Yes. I didn't like the Ian McDermott and Palpatine stuff because it didn't feel fleshed out as even he was in the prequels. Yeah.

It was just like, ha ha, I'm shooting lightning into the sky. Congratulations. Terrific stuff. Yeah. But. But there was so much lightning. I know. Oh my God.

That's more lightning than ever before. That's quite possible. It was so powerful.. I know. Oh, my God. That's more lightning than ever before. That's quite possible. Because he's so powerful. It illuminated his million ships. I like the bit where he's like, because there's two of you and that's important, I could drain your life force. I'm sorry, what? Yeah, right? Is that like a prophecy?

Is that a thing you just realized? Is that written down somewhere? By the way, if there's two of them PTO, you could drain their life force. Yeah, just. You want to explain that more than none? No. Or don't explain it? Just have him say, I drain my force now.

I don't know. Whatever. I don't understand why he couldn't have just been, he heard about a woman who was powerful in the force, or he sensed her, and he was like. I'm going to get that. Get that. Get her to me, or whatever.

You don't have to be like, yeah, it's my daughter. It's my granddaughter. Because his son was Derek. What's Derek's deal? Was he not strong in the force? Why not? Why not? I think you can have kids and they're not force sensitive.

Is it like baldness? Does it skip a generation? It can. That's also a myth, Mason. Man, I'm really like, I mean, because to be honest, I look at this and I look at Solo and I think there's way more swings in this than Solo. Solo to me was like. When you say swings, you mean like they tried to do something.

They went for a thing. Yeah, and Solo to me, it felt so generic and safe. And this I feel it had peaks and troughs, but it was trying and doing things. Yeah. And I didn't hate it. So I guess it's best, but I kind of... You know what?

Worse. Let's say worst. I just didn't think it was great. And for me, I wish it was slightly better. There you go. I got an email. This is from Kieran Whitehead. Spoilers. We know Kieran. We're in the spoiler section, Kieran. Spoilers. Yep. We know Kieran.

We're in the spoiler section, Kieran. Yeah, right. The Rise of Skywalker theatre reactions. Just seen the Rise of Skywalker on its opening night in Ireland. The whole theatre groaned when Rey and Kylo kissed and then openly laughed quite a lot when Kylo died. Yeah. Just thought this was interesting to report

and I wonder if this is common. Yes. Based on my screening of it. Really? There were any number of moments That were meant to be like Poignant Or

You know big Like when Chewie went Ah Yeah Yeah yeah And people People laughed Like anything that was

Like when They said Palpatine You know Ray you're a Palpatine People laughed And this wasn't People who were just at the movies

To see a movie This was at a midnight screening opening night. So it's presumably people who are at least somewhat invested. Yes. And it wasn't just one group of scallywags like right up the back being like, we're drunk and we're here. It was assorted people throughout the cinema. Smatterings.

Smatterings. There were smatterings of laughs. Laughter, yeah. I think you could have probably done without the kiss, I guess. Yeah. Anyway, turns out that Kylo Ren can do the same thing that Tom Cruise can in reverse in The Mummy. He kisses a woman to death, Kylo Ren to life.

It's incredible. Parallels, aren't they? They really are. And they're both about Scientology maybe, secretly. Remember that time Rey defeated a big snake with love? Do you remember that? Yeah. It's pretty good, right?

No. No, it was bad. Because in Star Wars tradition, kill anything you see. Yeah, exactly. She would have chopped it in half. Drop a door on a rancor. Yes. You see a weird, like, hairy space rhino?

Kill it. Steal its baby. Give it to a gremlin. Just let him chomp down its egg. Num, num, num. Its hairy egg. Just drink that goopy yolk from the inside. There's probably another one on the other side of the planet or something.

And if not, blow that planet up. Find another one. Who cares? Who cares? Yeah. I got some reviews here from people who have written in. Okay, I love it. On hashtag weekly planet pod.

It's from David says, the Rise of Skywalker was just okay. It didn't feel weighty enough for an end of a nine film saga. Good moments in an otherwise super, super predictable film. Alex says, Mike says, As a fan of Seven and Eight, I went into The Rise of Skywalker cautiously optimistic. As a fan of J.J. Abrams' work, I expected at least a serviceable completion to the Skywalker saga. I was let down. Worst movie ever. The True Mad Hatter says,

I understand that some may not like it due to the plot points and some unexpected outcomes. I loved it. Absolutely best movie ever. It fulfilled my two requirements. Wrap up nine movies and be entertained. Danny says, A couple more. Luke says, it lacks the excitement and just shakes you around until you're dizzy and confused, wondering when it will finally end. A couple more.

Luke says, found Rise of Skywalker disappointing. Didn't seem like Abrams had a story he wanted to tell, just a collage of scenes he thought Star Wars fans would think are cool regardless if they make sense or fit together. Worst movie ever. And Armin Greden says, loved the Rise of Skywalker. So many great fan service moments.

Rey was amazing and a fitting end to the saga. Can't wait to see it again. There you go. I tried to get a mix indicative of what people sent through. So anyway, I'm curious if people want to leave a comment or hit us up on Twitter of what they think. I'm genuinely interested to know where does this rank? Where does it compare to the other ones?

How does it compare as a third film in a Star Wars trilogy? Is it better than the movie Solo? Oh, good question. Yes. Yes, it is. I think they're about the same. How dare you? They should have had Alden Einreich's ghost on that bridge with Kylo Ren.

Who are you? I'm your dad. I'm your dad. You saw a photo of me once. Sorry, a holocron or something of me. I mean, you've got a lot of water in your brain right now. So that's why. You've been stabbed.

This is what's happening here. I haven't looked like this in a while. Yeah. Also, the Harrison Ford wouldn't do it. But I've been blacklisted because of Solo. So this is all I can do now is cameos in Star Wars movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this has worked out badly for me.

Anyways, you know what it's time for? Oh, is it time for what we're reading? What are we going to read? Oh, I should put that fucking theme song in. Yeah, put a theme in. Yeah. I'm doing a theme. Ba-da-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba.

Ba-na-na-na-na. Ba-na-na-na-na. What are we reading today? We're just talking off air, but let's do this here. I really enjoyed that discussion because I think with a lot of movies, I don't have that much to say. And it's nice to be able to... I think that's really interesting when you can get a movie

that you can really kind of dig into. You know what I mean? Yes, I agree. Yeah, I really enjoyed that. I wish more movies would be interesting. That's my point. That'd be nice. That would be nice. As we've been doing

for what we're reading, what we're going to read for the past nine or so weeks, we've been talking about The Watchmen. In our famous segment, Who Watches the TV Show? Watchmen, parentheses, James and Mace, asterisk, Weekly Planet Podcast. Correct. Anyway, finales are difficult, aren't they? They certainly are. Some are better than

others for Watchmen, it turns out. So we're going to talk about the comic, which also wrapped up as a sequel to the Watchmen. Doomsday Clock. Doomsday Clock and also the TV show. Spoilers for both. There are time codes if you do want to skip ahead. Where are you at?

Well, let's do the comic. Do you want to do the comic first? Okay. So, okay. So look, without spoiling anything for a moment, if you, Doomsday Clock, the sort of sequel to the Watchmen comic book from the 80s, has been building up to, in this final issue,

a confrontation between Dr. Manhattan, the omnipotent being from the Watchmen universe, and Superman, the ultimate iconic hero from the DC Comics universe. And what is going to happen? What is going to happen? Not a lot, it turns out. Almost nothing. They didn't even fight. Yeah.

Did you want them to fight? Not really. Not really. But I was expecting some sort of epic conversation at the very least. Yeah. You know, pure omnipotent logic versus, you know. Heart. Heart, exactly.

We didn't really get anything. Yeah. He's just like superman's just like did the right thing why are you doing this you're sad about a girl and he's like i am sad about a girl actually yeah good point i guess i'll stop all this relentless destruction of your timeline for no reason yeah that's pretty cool and then he kidnaps a child and raises it as his own because to give his world a Superman. Is that what happened?

That's what happens at the end. Why has he got the Watchmen thing on his head? I thought it was like him, that he made one or something. I think that's the kid he stole from the marionette and the mime. Yeah. Look, I forgot. I'm not going to lie. This has been like three years of this, maybe. Yeah, something like that.

But look, I don't think it's terrible, but I mean, the same week as the TV show. I mean, they're not. Yeah, show. I mean, they're not. Yeah, right? I mean, it's tough. Comics are tough. Yeah. But I think you're right. I think it would have worked better as a straight Watchmen sequel without bringing Superman into it.

Yeah. He stole a baby? I'm pretty sure he stole the baby. He shouldn't do that. He shouldn't do that. In the series, they're like, where's my baby? And they're like, no one knows what happened to your baby. Dr. Manhattan stole it.

Also tattooed its head. Apparently. Yeah. Pretty weird, right? Yes. Yeah. Yes, Mason. Anyway, watch them in the TV series.

Oh, that's all we're going to do? I don't know. What else is there? I don't know. I guess at the end, they're like, Superman ties together all the universes. We know. Yeah, right? We know.

We know. But they also, I feel like you put in a bunch of stuff that was like, so we're getting this event in 2025 and this event in 2030. He names all these things that they're probably going to have to do at some point. Oh, and also at the end they're like, well, you were going to be destroyed by all these superheroes, but guess what? Here's the Legion of Superheroes and here's the Justice Society. The ones that disappeared as well, a lot of them?

They're back. Didn't really have much of an impact. Most of them I didn't know were gone. I'm not gonna lie. I looked among them and I went, yeah, Wally West. Okay. He was gone. Now he's back. He's back. Was he? Is he? Yeah. Lightning Lad. He was gone. Now he's back. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, pretty good.

Anyway, how many of them were killed in that fight anyway? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. What a stunning conclusion. What a stunning conclusion of this. Can't wait for it to come out in trade paperback. I would like to read it back to back because, you know, it probably plays better as one sitting. Yeah, maybe, yeah.

But here's the thing. I don't want to go back right now. Yeah, I feel like that as well. So first of all, I just want to congratulate you for guessing that Ozymandias was in that statue. Oh, we're talking about Watchmen TV series. Anyway, finales are difficult. Didn't like it?

Not as much as I thought I would. But kudos to you. Thank you. What a fucking incredible, incredible guess. Slash, you cheated probably. How did I cheat? How could I do that? I thought that was incredible.

So what didn't you like about it? That's interesting to me. No, I don't know. I do that? I thought that was incredible. So what didn't you like about it? That's interesting to me. No, I don't know. I just feel like maybe it was more. Too ambiguous. No, not even too. I actually like the ambiguity at the end. I don't know.

I just felt it was kind of more anticlimactic than I thought it would be. I don't think it was the best episode in the series. No. If that's what you mean. I think that maybe the Hood of Justice episode might have been the best episode. Terrific, yeah. Even the last episode I thought was really good. Yeah.

Right to this, yeah. Again, it has been a very good series. And so maybe I'm just a little bit underwhelmed over, you know, all things have to end and it can't end perfectly. So, you know, things I did enjoy, I enjoyed the senator being reduced to a fridge full of goop. I like how he had the Dr. Manhattan pants. Yes, right. And I think he did it because he has a weird

dick. There you go. Alright. Because you'd just do it nude, wouldn't you? Yeah. If you're really doing Manhattan. Yeah, you'd do it nude. You'd do it nude. Yeah, you'd do it nude. That's true. I would have done it nude is what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? I wouldn't have gotten that weird fridge. Yeah. I'll tell you that much. What he probably was planning on doing

was he was planning on becoming Dr. Manhattan. Changing his dong. Yeah, changing his dong and getting them the incredible Dr. Manhattan powers and before doing anything else, changing his dong and then being like, well, it's time to get rid of these underpants and show everybody my normal dick

that I've had the whole time, my whole life. Call me Dong to Manhattan. Call me normal Dong to Manhattan. That's right. Dr. Manhattan tackle. Because we're the full suit then. Yeah, right? Why do the...

Yeah, just wear your normal clothes. Anyway, that's just a thought I had. Yeah, you're right. Look, there were a lot of Dongs in this. Maybe that's why I was thinking about Dongs. It was Dong City. You know, a lot of timess in this. So maybe that's why I was thinking about Dongs. It was Dong City. You know, a lot of times- It was Sperm City also.

It certainly was. A lot of times in shows, I know they did this for like Hodor and they do it at other shows, they'll fake Dong a person. Oh, what does that mean? Because then they can put makeup on it. Because I guess it's kind of weird if you're actually painting somebody's Dong. Oh, so that's a- Dr. Manhattan's Dong is a fake Dong.

I don't know. Okay, right. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe not. Okay. It was a pretty good one. I think you should a fake dong. I don't know. Okay, right. I don't know. Maybe not. Okay. It was a pretty good one. I think you should be happy with it, but you know.

Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Anyway, that's enough dong talk, I guess, for dabbles. I guess we could talk the plot. What about Ozymandias getting hit in the head with a wrench and going to jail for crimes? I'm okay with that. Yeah.

But again, in a real-world situation, if you hit somebody in the back of the head with a wrench, they'll just die. This isn't the real-world Mason. Well, it is, except for that one thing. Also, you know what I found odd is that Ozymandias' plan, he spent 10 years away, and his plan ultimately to stop Lady True

just becomes drop a bunch of frozen fish, essentially. Well, I think he was improvising. Yeah, no, it's true, he was. But also, they were Very varied in how Deadly they were They'd go through Your hand They'd go through

Your hand But they'd also If you stood in A booth You'd be fine Yeah Everybody All the police

Who were caught In the In the Just got in their Cars or whatever They just got in their Cars and they were Fine

Yeah You know Yeah I think it was Emotionally satisfying Though for me And I feel like Leftovers is the same Way there's a

Ambiguity kind of To it And what's real And what's not. But I like that he'd set up that, you know, I think she's got powers. You think Angela has powers? I don't think it matters whether or not we know that. The fact that he was like, I need you to see me walking on water.

I need you to see me do this. And he gives the egg clue. But I don't also think it necessarily matters. But you do want to give it to somebody who doesn't want it. And there is the egg clue. But I don't also think it necessarily matters. But you do want to give it to somebody who doesn't want it. And there is or is not. You wouldn't eat it. I wouldn't eat it. Would you eat that?

There is or is not going to be a second season. Not. Well, not from Damon Lindelof at this point. He was like, I don't want to do it. I've got a pitch for you for a second season. Hang on. So you wouldn't eat the egg? No.

I wouldn't want to experience time all at once. No, here's the thing, though. Also, I feel like I wonder because the premise is that, you know, the senator wants to take Dr. Manhattan's powers, you know, to- Change his dong. To change his dong and then, like, you know, create a future for the white race or whatever. And Lady True wants to create it so she can fix all the problems in the world. I feel like Dr. Manhattan can't do that.

Like, when you get the abilities abilities you lose interest in doing that one of the things he does in superman is he wipes out the nukes yeah yeah but i feel like that yeah i feel like he needed well that's the thing he needed to he needed to deconstruct an entire multiverse and put it back together before he went oh maybe i should do some good like i feel like dr manhattan in comic books has always been like it doesn't matter to me what happens on earth yes like it it i'm i'm made it to a higher order of life and it doesn't matter ultimately i'm interested in maybe finding a woman that i'm in love with or whatever that's my that's my only goal the rest of the world can jump in a bloody like yeah you know so i i feel like maybe even if either of

those two did gain the powers they'd just be like i don't care anymore yeah i think it's yeah i don't think it's that you can't do it i think like you said like he can watch the neurons firing in your brain you know what i mean like there's the amount of like he can watch a person age in real time bloody microscopic vision i mean he does but yeah he does he can see like atoms shifting what does he say there's the same amount of same amount of matter in a dead body as a living body. It's no difference to him. So, yeah, I think it would be like, why would you bother? But I think if you gave it to somebody compassionate,

then maybe there's a chance that they would do that. Maybe you'd use some of the powers. Maybe he didn't give all of his powers. Maybe he gave just like the cool stuff but not the weird omnipotent shit. Maybe that's true. Yeah. And I, you know,

I like the idea that he spent, you know, 10 years in a relationship with this person. So he, you know, he, he trusts them and she trusts him. Yeah.

And, and you know, she, he's shown her the way in so many ways that, that, you know, lady true and the Senator haven't seen, so they wouldn't know what to do with the powers once they got them anyway.

Exactly. Anyway, you have a pitch for season two. Yeah, and also maybe he's doing blackface. He is. I liked how they called that out in that episode. Well, that's true, but it's quite handy that it was quite handily done in the sense that when we see Dr. Manhattan in the past, they never show his face.

And so when he changes from Cal back to Dr. Manhattan, they go, oh, you've changed. Yeah, and it's not weird. It's not a weird job. It's not weird. They don't make him a weird, generic Dr. Manhattan white guy again because that'd be weird. One of the things that they decided not to work in,

he was only mentioned in passing, was Night Owl because he's in prison. Yeah, right. Oh, my apologies. It turns out they did mass produce the the owl ships oh whatever yeah you also said something you also said the lady true was the bad guy and i think i said no so you got more let's you're two for one and i said that he was in a statue i mean that's worth 10 isn't it oh my god it's just you must have just when he got in that thing that's right you must have just freaked out oh i wonder what he saw he's in gold

I like how she left him in there for a while yeah right that's good but okay so I think you could do a series you do it completely differently and you could even set it as a sequel or a sidequel

you do Night Owl in prison yeah oh yeah that's cool and you make it a show centered just around that and you make it a sitcom sure but like I think it doesn't have to be a world ending cataclysmic Doctor Man whatever thing And you make it a show centered just around that. And you make it a sitcom. Sure.

But I think it doesn't have to be a world-ending, cataclysmic, Dr. Manhattan, whatever thing. You don't want to see what Night Owl's doing? I mean, I do. So I think it doesn't have to be a sequel. Do a spin-off. Do it like a Before Watchmen is a spin-off or whatever. Do it like that.

It's just a thought. I have no other. I don't know how to make it any better than that. Yeah, no, that's cool. Have you been catching up on the PTpedia files? Oh, he's the slippery man. He's clearly, yeah. I mean, it was hinted at.

Talking about Night Owl, one of the files from a couple of weeks ago was that Laurie Blake is captured initially because her and I think Night Owl stopped Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, by killing him. Yes. And then they get captured. But anyway, and that's why he's in prison. Okay.

But, yeah, so there was a – in, I think it might have been the last week's episode, Ozzy Mandy's at the end when he's in prison. He's reading a novel called – a book called Fog Dancing. And in the Watchmen universe, it's a book about identity that sort of inspired a lot of different people to become costumed. Right, okay. Was this pre-Manhattan as well? Yes, it was, yeah, yeah.

But in one of the PDPedia files for that week, he mentions that he was part of an essay. When he was in school, he did an essay competition on that book and his essay came in last place and it shamed him forever and it kind of set him on this weird path. And, yeah, in the final pedopedia, it's a termination letter from the FBI because he decided to remain in Tulsa and just keep investigating this thing because it's all been blacked out and what have you.

And it's the only thing he cares about, really. It's the only thing he cares about. And, yeah, so it's like does anybody want anything from his office? There's all this canola oil. That's great. I love that stunt. Apparently they did it for real. There you go.

And it makes sense because in that episode the lube man sees Angela dispose of, I think, the wheelchair parts. Right. And then all of a sudden Laurie Blake knows about it. So in retrospect, you go, oh, of course. He was doing the lube man situation. I kind of hoped he would show up at the end. Maybe that's why I'm disappointed. I kind of wish that there was a moment it's that

kind of you know why didn't they shoot uh ant-man up thanos's butt kind of thing where you're like well that would be dumb obviously and it is that's not this isn't dumb i don't think him showing up is dumb yeah but i and you know you'd go well you know it'd make it's it would kind of ruin the magic if it you know that actually happened because it's too silly but i'm like i kind of was hoping that ozymandias his plan would fail to some degree. And it was still going to happen. And, but there was just a really narrow crevice.

If only there was somebody who could slip through and flip a switch and then loop man shows up and he didn't, maybe that's why I don't think you need to do it that necessarily, but maybe you could do him like running from the, from the squids. Yeah. Right. Slip into a drain.

Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Oh, that'd be good. That'd be good. Uh, anyway, that's the, from the squids. Yeah. Right. Slip into a drain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Oh, that'd be good. That'd be good.

Uh, anyway, that's the end of Watchmen talk, I guess forever. Yeah. But, um, I just wanted to quickly talk about the Witcher.

I started watching on Netflix for a new segment. Yes. Who watches the Witcher? Parentheses, the TV series, the Witcher. Parentheses, James.

Yeah. Have you? No, no, it's on my list now. Okay. It's more, it's more kind of planet podcast.

Yes. It's more kind of... Weekly Planet podcast. Yes. It's more kind of sword and sorcery kind of Merlin-y stuff than it is Game of Thrones. Well, because there was a more... It's more schlocky but high budget kind of thing. Okay. The fight scenes are amazing. It does look a bit...

Like we've talked about Mandalorian being a bit Xena, Warrior, Princess. It does feel a bit... It's definitely darker than that. Okay. But look, I've never played the games and I know I need to. I think I'm going to get the Switch copy. Because you've read the books?

Yes, basically, because I've read all of those books. But I think there is... Like, it's more kind of schlock fun than... Like, I'm not loving it and it's a bit like, and you're the queen is the son of the whatever, and this person's related to this person. The queen's the son? Yeah, whatever.

Oh my God, this is very progressive. And this person's secretly a dragon or whatever the fuck. So there's related to this person. The Queen's the son? Yeah, whatever. Oh, my God. This is very progressive. This person's secretly a dragon or whatever the fuck. So there's a lot of that. And also every princess in this seems to have secret magic or is secretly a monster. And a lot of the monsters are like, Henry Cavill killed this monster. He's like, this isn't a monster.

This is actually a curse. And I won't kill this monster, even though it's my job to kill a monster. And they're like, well, kill this human. He's like, ah, okay. Because humans are the monsters or whatever. It's like, that's that kind of thing. Because the most recent trailer for this, which I watched,

I remember thinking, I don't know a lot about the Witcher, but I know he's a monster hunter. And the most recent trailer had no monsters in it. It was just. Oh, there's plenty of monsters in it. Okay, right. And there are monsters that he kills. But yeah, just don't, if you think it's Game of Thrones, it's not going to be Game of Thrones. It's more, right. And there are monsters that he kills. But yeah, just don't, if you think it's Game of Thrones,

it's not going to be Game of Thrones. It's more, yeah. But so far it's like, it's something that I put on while doing other things. Which I feel like is doing it a disservice because it's very expensive. I bet, yeah. How is A, his abs? Terrific. He looks great.

And he's good in it. He's kind of gruff and over the top. Yeah, I'm going to watch it because I do like Henry Cat. Does it seem like he's having fun? Yes, 100%. Okay, cool. What's his magic like? Is it very vague video game-y kind of magic?

He's not like summoning lightning magic. But he's doing like force pushes and stuff. Yeah, he'll push and his eyes change colour and a bunch of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got a potion. If you know the video game, you probably know exactly what it is. But I'm like, I don't know what that is at all. They probably explained it and I looked away. But yeah, look, it's, you know the video game, you probably know exactly what it is. But I'm like, I don't know what that is at all. They probably explained it and I looked away.

But yeah, look, it's, you know, I think if you probably like The Witcher. Actually, I'm curious. If you love The Witcher, is this like, is this what you want? Is this accurate to The Witcher? Yeah. Because I'd say it probably is, but I don't know. Because I've only read the books, as you mentioned. Yes.

All seven to nine of them. Let's look it up. Oh, that's right. Oh, okay, cool. Yeah. Is this guy who knows everything Oh, okay, cool. Yeah. Is this guy who knows everything about The Witcher? Correct. Okay.

Like, I know what that potion is that he's drinking, but I don't need to explain it to the super fans. No, that's true. They already know, don't they? There's eight. So you were right. Yeah, I know I was, Mason. When I said seven to nine,

what's the exact number in the middle of that? Eight books, yeah. Yeah, thanks. God. Do you want to talk about The Mandalorian? Yeah, it was good. They brought the team together,? Eight books, yeah. Yeah, thanks. Do you want to talk about The Mandalorian? Yeah, it was good. They brought the team together, which is what I said. Yeah, right.

I was hoping they would do it. Do you think Nick Nolte's dead for good? In real life? Yeah. Yeah. I think he's been dead for years. What about in the TV series? Yes, I think he's dead.

Okay, right. Was there smoke coming off his body? Yeah. Then yes, he's dead. Okay, right. Is that a universal symbol in Star Wars continuity? Generally, yes, I want to say. Yeah.

Also, you've got to kill someone in this important. That's true, yeah. People like him. I think IG-11 is going to save them because they're like, he's not programmed to fight, but he's programmed to defend. So we're going to get some sweet. How many episodes are left? One, I think.

Oh, it's an eight episode season. I might be wrong. It's cool and fun. That's us. That's who watches the Mandalorian season episode seven. May James and May so hashtag weekly planet pod. You nailed it. Did I?

No. Imagine if you had. No, I won't. You could fix it later in post. They'll never know. Well, I'll do a follow-up podcast like the episode nine and i'll fix everything in this one yeah good it's good all right as if this one never existed that's right uh do you know what it's time for that time for letters no it is letters letters loading the classic one was letters oh letters we love you some letters they're only

a day away i know they're here right now. We're going to do letters. Now, the two tweets that I covered, which you can send in with hashtag weeklyplanetpod, one from Joe, we talked about Star Wars trilogies. The other is from Dennis, where we talked about Kylo and Rey and what that relationship could mean to their lineage. Joe won't spoil here because we're out of the spoilers. So we've covered those already. Yes. But I do have a question relating to another lineage. John won't spoil it here because we're out of the spoilers. But so we've covered those already.

Yes. But I do have a question relating to another thing. Okay. And I feel like this is really my area. But John Lombardo says, with all the buttons and control panels in trams, they only drive in two directions, I could drive a tram. Yeah, you could drive a tram. Yes, is what I'm saying.

In your bloody car, mate. Bloody wall. What's with all the buttons, though? Transponders. I know you've got your brake and you've got your forwards and your backwards. Sand button. Sand button. Obviously.

Like, what do they all be doing? Battery power. Pantograph up and down. Yep. Power limit switches. You've got... Windows? Power windows. For you. I you i mean there's windows but they're not power windows uh windscreen wipers obviously okay water spray thing so car stuff yeah cars it's car stuff you've been in a car it's similar no steering wheel though yeah my car doesn't have a sand button that's true i'm gonna get

that installed like gong obviously gong says yeah. It says gong on it. Gong. What does it do? Ding. That's not a gong. I know. It should go bong and then like that. Yeah, that makes more sense to me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I was curious and I thought you might be able to answer that. Also curious? Yes. So you can send in an email to weekly planet pot at gmail dot com that's true yeah yeah we're gonna have next week our best and worst of the year yeah i think collings like last year will probably put some polls up for some things you can vote for we

give out our weekly planet awards that's right come along they mean nothing and no one's ever acknowledged one but what if they did and you won't like it. That's right. And oftentimes we have different answers. Yeah. And we just spin our wheels for a bit. It's a grand old time. Sometimes we can't remember if we've seen the things we're talking about. Yeah, it's really good. You're not going to like it.

Yeah, you'll hate it. Whoever's listening to this, you'll hate it. What are you? Sometimes there's a category and we haven't watched anything in it. We didn't think about it. We just didn't watch anything. But we'll pick a winner. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It doesn't even matter. We'll pick a winner. We'll pick a winner. Yeah, I have a new award for this coming up. I'd love to see it. That's up here. Do you want to shoot it my way? Oh, you want to keep it a secret?

I'll keep it a secret. Okay. I thought you wanted to send it out to the people. No, no, no. You want it just for you. Okay, fair enough. Yeah. Great.

Forward to that. Yeah, but again you people will be excited to uh our best award i feel again is the gamers on award the award for the most ham-fisted attempt to build a franchise or a sequel based on one terrible movie so it's interesting isn't it yeah so who will it be this year a couple of ideas it's not as definitive as last year though yeah the predator anyway what have you got in terms of letters? This is from Kurt Reitmeyer. Hi, Kurt Reitmeyer. This is the answer to the Snyder Cut.

I was listening to a conversation again about the Snyder Cut again. Then it dawned on me, why doesn't Warner Brothers just get it animated instead of worrying about releasing what they filmed? Not a bad idea. That's a good idea. Yeah, yeah. WB's animation is good. That's true.

Animation is cheaper than trying to compile it from a half-film script. He says, either way, I don't really care, but it's just a thought. This might be a way people can stop asking for it. I think that's true. We should get this guy on the podcast to replace one of us if we die. It's the perfect response. Look, I don't care, but I'll talk about it. I'll ask the correct questions, but I do not care.

Maybe that's true. Some people have also floated trade paper, like comic book version. Yeah. So give us a comic book Snyder Cut. I prefer animated, I feel. I think I prefer comic book. Yeah, right, okay. But not, I would want some like real A-list kind of.

So not me. To draw it. Yeah. I mean, I'm an A-list podcaster and YouTuber. Yeah, that's true. But that's not what you're looking for? No, more an A-list comic book artist. Okay.

More what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's more your speed. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. I was going to suggest Lionel Yu. Terrific choice. To follow up on something that we asked many weeks ago,

because he did the art for Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk. To answer that question that people, we ask every time it comes up, yes, they did finish it. Yeah, right. Now I can't wait till we forget again. Yeah, right? I'm excited too. And they'll be like, you even mentioned that they finished it on that episode.

Here's the clip. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have a tweet there? You know I do, Mason. I did them already. What's another letter? I don't know.

I've done them all. I had three. Oh, okay, cool. All right, let's find another letter. This is from Sterling Glick. He says, hello. Hello, Sterling Glick. He says, why do you guys only say bad things about good movies

and good things about bad movies? You'll start by saying you liked a movie, then point out the weaker parts or say a movie was bad, but list its redeeming qualities. Not a problem, but just curious. I think it's because nothing's perfect. Nothing's perfect. And you can criticize things you like. Also, we've got to fill an hour or whatever. That's perfect. And you can criticize things you like.

Also, we've got to fill an hour or whatever. That's true. What do you want? That is very true. James, if you die, I'm replacing you with you. Because you've got just the right attitude. I don't know. We've got to fill an hour.

I think you'd do really well. But no, I think that's... Patrick Willems did a video this week on... It was basically the best pretty good movies of the year. And that's something we talk about a lot. That a lot of movies are fine. Yes. That's where the origin of our rating system comes from.

It's not a real rating system because there's no nuance to it and it makes no sense. But that's the general consensus. And it can be changed with one sentence from the other guy. Exactly. Like, this was the worst movie ever. Yeah, but what about when he fell out that window? Oh, yeah, it's the best movie ever.

So. Yeah, that's essentially it. So, yeah, I appreciate that even if it's a, you know, ultimately it doesn't matter, especially in this era, you know, where we can stream anything. Ultimately, it doesn't matter, especially in this era, you know, where we can stream anything. If you think that this movie, you know, if you think this Star Wars movie sucks but that scene with Rey and Poe and Finn was so funny

and just a beautiful moment between characters and actors, you can just watch it over and over again, you know. And also I feel like not all criticisms are weighted equally. So things that I don't like about a movie, then it doesn't mean I hate that bit. It just means I didn't like it as much as another bit necessarily, and then you moved on. And other times a criticism can be like,

well, this was actually quite significant and negated my enjoyment of this movie. Yeah, right, right. I don't know. I guess we're just talking. We're just talking. We're just talking. Yeah.

This is from Irvin Gutierrez. I'm in the hospital, it says. I wonder if we caused this. Let's find out, because we've done it before. And we'll do it again. We'll do it again. Hey, guys, I've been caught up with an ear infection, having a hard time making time go by fast,

so I've been listening to my favorite episodes to help me get through this. Thank you. Thank you. Now, a question with a new Star Wars ad. Do you think better or worse if J.J. Abrams were to connect The Rise of Skywalker to the Cloverfield franchise? He says, I know this wouldn't happen, but would love for you guys to discuss this.

I wouldn't be surprised if he snuck a Cloverfield monster in. A slurm. Do you think there's any slurm? In Arborish? Sorry? You could do it in that Star Wars language or whatever. Ah, I see. So it wouldn't say Slurm on it.

Is it Slurm? Well, they don't have English. I don't know. Slurm's from Futurama. Yes. But I remember a few of yours when we talked about The Force Awakens was when they were landing on that planet at the end where Luke was. The cinema would collapse on you.

Yeah, cinema would collapse. Yeah. You barely made it out of alive with that cinema that didn't collapse. That's right. But you were like, oh, my, yeah. You barely made it out of alive with that cinema that didn't collapse. That's right. You were like, oh my God, they're going to bring this to earth. They're going to bring us into this thing. So I guess from that perspective,

I don't want it definitively. I like little Easter eggs like, you know, the R2-D2 where it's carved into the wall of an Indiana Jones movie and stuff like that. You know what I mean? Did that happen? Yeah, in Resolute Stark, yeah. Cool.

Sorry. Last Crusade. There we go. And there's like Club Obi-Wan or whatever, which doesn't mean... Yeah, in Resolus Dark, yeah. Cool. Sorry. Last Crusade. There we go. And there's like Club Obi-Wan or whatever, which doesn't mean anything. Yeah, right, right, right. It doesn't mean anything, but yeah. So no, I think he's probably, like you said,

he's probably tangentially linked it, but no, I would not like that. As someone who's like nothing matters, I definitively wouldn't like that. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Because then it becomes not just a Star Wars thing,

it's forever a bad robot oh my god what if what if it was a scene like they have to fight what do you think the reaction to the audience

would be of the audience would be if there was some sort of rancor pit situation like one of the heroes falls into a pit and they they have to fight

a Cloverfield monster bad bad you think the audience would hate it I think some people would love it no I mean

I think that's not as bad as because it did happen in the universe monster bad bad you think the audience would hate it i think something would love it maybe not i think that's not as bad as because it did happen in the universe yes so maybe they came from that universe so that to me is not as bad as like an x-wing crashes into the statue of liberty in the background of the movie cloverfield or whatever you know what i mean that's the stuff that i'm not really keen on yeah that'll do it then it's pretty long we can wrap it up okay cool uh actually this is one this is an idea so let's put it let's put it on the block so we remember it and people can remind us of it it's from dylan dutton says hi james and may so my name is dylan we know dylan it's in there i've been a listener since 2017 i'm a huge fan of the show and was wondering if you

guys would ever do an episode on best worst comic book movie concept art personal favorites of mine are the dark knight joker and the uh infinity war iron spider thanks guys i think that would be a good one to do in a video i was gonna say if we ever start filming it even oh yeah we could edit them in but yeah i would love to do that let's do that because it doesn't always align but um there's some interesting ideas and if we did an audio it'd be a lot of us going so it looks like this yeah that's pretty good it's just us two hours of us

badly describing concepts that'd be great it'd just be so you know the you know the Iron Spider they did put in Infinity War it looks a bit like that a bit like that

but it's more like the comic book version it's got different arms yeah no I like that though it's a good put it on the pile put it on the pile that's the show though Mason

put the show on the pile put the show on the pile of stuff. Put it on the pile. That's the show, though, Mason. Put the show on the pile. Put the show on the pile. Boy, finales are difficult, aren't they? Boy, are they. Yes. What have you got for us to wrap it up? Oh, my goodness. Thank you, everybody, for listening.

Thank you, everybody, for subscribing and bloody telling a friend, which is how we get new listeners, which is always nice. Yes, it is. And thank you for leaving some nice reviews, which is another way we get new listeners. James, do you have a nice review? It absolutely is. Is it a way that we get to-

It is, because it gets us up there in the iTunes ranking. This is from Alan Seven. Here's a five-star review. Since I have a five-star review as requested, can I get a mad ghost shout-out? A ghost! Very good. It can be as simple as that.

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I would never say that. Yeah, based on the description that's been given, seems like a loser. While you're describing the rest, I'm going to stop my dog from barking in Sesame. Incredible. So you keep going. Okie dokie.

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