The Weekly Planet - 323 Controversial Comic Book Moments

Episode Date: February 24, 2020

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of The Weekly Planet, where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr Sunday. With me as always is my co-host, Nick Mason. I'm here. What's going on? Just podcasts.

Just podcasts? That's all I do. All day, every day. How are you feeling about that? I record several, but I only release the one. So you can imagine how good the other ones are. Worse? No, they're much better.

But they're just for me. Oh, is this like a Prince's Vault situation? Exactly. Where he recorded many albums and videos and stuff that never saw the light of day. That's how I spend my days. Have you heard Kevin Smith's Prince story? I have. I'm sure you have. Yeah, where he went and filmed a documentary for him for free or something?

Yeah, Prince had seen Dogma, his movie Dogma, and he was about to release an album that covered, according to Prince, similar themes of religion and whatever, and then he invited Kevin Smith to film a listening party with all these super fans and stuff. And then it was like this absolute nightmare for Kevin Smith. And at one point he ran out of film because this was in like the film days, but he's just like faking still filming this thing.

And then at the end he's handing over all the films and he asked one of Prince's handlers, he's like, when's this going to come out? And they're like, it's never going to come out. It's just for Prince. That's what's happening here is you're doing this for prints. For free. For free.

Maybe, I don't know, maybe they paid him. I don't know. I don't think he did, according to the story. Anyway, he's dead, so we can't speak ill of him. That's true. So, like, all parties involved apparently very happy with the outcome. That's right. Yeah.

Speaking of all parties involved being very happy with the outcome, Mason. Yes. There was a recent live show we were a part of. All parties very happy with the outcome. Correct. Yes. There was a recent live show we were a part of. All parties very happy with the outcome. Correct. Except for some audience members, I assume. You know, people who drag their partners who don't understand what's going on. Oh, my God.

There was a couple in the front row, I think. My fave. Some of my faves. So it was. I would recommend that. If you're coming to a live show, one of anyone really, and you've got a partner who's absolutely not interested, sit in the front. Sit in the front.

Yeah, exactly. So it was Sandspan's organized. It was a fundraiser. It was Sandspan's v. Planet Broadcasting. All the greats were there. Not all the greats, but a lot of the greats were there. All the greats were there. And we wouldn't let them on.

We wanted to go on stage instead. That's right. The greats, no, no. That's not who we're interested in having on board. And the good thing is there was, last I saw, it was $3,000 raised for tickets sold for Fire Appeal, but it's also, you can actually donate to it. I'll link it below. The live

show is there. You can just watch it. Oh, it's on a stream, right? It is on the Sandman's Facebook page. But look, if you could chip in some bucks for the bushfire relief, yes, a lot of the fires are under control, but there is obviously massive blowback in the animal kingdom and other kingdoms.

The Kingdom of Australia. The Kingdom of Amalur. That's an RPG. Yes, apparently it's very good. I've heard that too. It won't be getting a sequel. Yep. But that's the world we live in, isn't it? That's right.

Bushfires and video game cancellations. My God, we're in the worst possible timeline. I like it. Anyway, there's a lot of show as well. We did, for people interested, if this gives you a little tease, it was a Plumbing the Death Star show to start off with it was us and the uh plumbing the death star boys we were discussing what mcu movie we could seamlessly insert ourselves into yes with

i think hilarious results hilarious and rude results oh my goodness very rude and then we had a little break and then uh dave warneri from Do Go On and Jackson from Sands Pants, they ran a game show. Yes. That was the folks from Sands Pants versus myself, Jess Perkins, Matt Stewart, and Claire from Suggestible Podcast. That's right, and being my wife. Your wife in your life. And then we had like a family feud style game show.

We did. Yeah, it was fun. It was really fun. It was fun for me because I didn't have to be in that one. Yeah, that's right. I was like, I'm going to sit this one. You sat outside of stage and heckled. I did.

Not as much as I could have, might you. That's true, yeah. But that was really fun. I feel that was not for want of trying just because there was just so many people on stage yelling into microphones. That's right. You couldn't really get a word in edgeways. But I thought it was balanced really well.

I think so too. Those guys did a really good job hosting that. Everyone did a good job. Thank you everybody in the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates Facebook page who I believe were the survey respondents for all the answers in the family feud situation. You're the family out there, listeners. And we're the feud?

Yeah, we're the feud. Or food. It's called family food in this situation because of copyright reasons legally. Grant Daniel will break all our legs. He owns that, right? Even though it was an Australian version of that show and he no longer hosts it because it was cancelled? Yeah, he still owns it. Okay, good.

Excellent. It's news time, Mason. Big news this week. This is what I'm doing. I'm going to talk about Jurassic World, Westworld, Batman News. World. Batman News World. That's right.

Big shift in DC Comics and then we've got some controversial comic stuff to talk about. How's that? I'm working that into the intro. A bit of sizzle. That's right. Big shift in DC Comics, and then we've got some controversial comic stuff to talk about. How's that? I'm working that into the intro. A bit of sizzle. That's good. I like it. You didn't like it last week. What's changed?

I didn't see any examples last week. You could have given me a fresh shot at it. You know, you could have explained. A free-flowing lift? Yeah, free-flowing lift. Great. Thank you. That's all I ask for.

Time codes, as always, are in the description if you do want to jump around. Jurassic World 3 news. Chris Pratt has said it's going to feel very much like how Endgame brought everything together for Marvel. So you know how there was one and maybe a half good Jurassic Park world. I remember that, yeah. Or in general movies. Which ones of those do you like? Go.

Bear in mind, I know you haven't seen two or three. Oh, yeah. Well, we've had this discussion. Just a quick update, Mason. They're all approximately equal. It's in the time code. If people want to skip ahead. In my opinion, every movie with Jurassic in the title is approximately equal in quality.

But people are going to write in and say, like, what about Jurassic Velocipasta or whatever, all those ones that come out? Or what about Jurassic Dinosaur Space Attack? What about Cretaceous World? Doesn't have Jurassic in the title, does it? Well, they're all on the same page as far as I'm concerned. You seem like a bit of a Jurassic snark, if you don't mind me saying so, Mason.

I don't mind you saying so, because that's a delightful turn of phrase. Thank you. So, I mean, I think... I'm like a velociraptor at a hair salon, and I've got the big hair dryer on my head, and I'm getting my nails done, and I'm like,

didn't like that lava. I don't think Jurassic Park's as good as everyone says it is. I'm drinking a white wine. I'm getting real saucy. It's the middle of the day, but you don't mind. You don't go to work. You just do this. I'm just here for snack.

Not as a clever girl as everyone says. So what I think he Oh, not as a clever girl as everyone says. So what I think he really means by this is, like, the original cast is back. Because it's Samuel, Laura Dern, Jeff Goldblum, who have also popped up in various other Jurassic movies along the way. And then they're all going to line up and punch all the dinosaurs, I assume. Do you feel like there is going to be a massive disconnect

between the Jeff Goldblum of Jurassic Park and Jeff Goldblum who exists now, who's a massive goofball? He's a bit of a goofball in the first one. Takes a serious turn in two because he's very much the one who's like, I fucking hate this island of dinosaurs. Why am I doing this? And then then of course he's in the last one

he's in the last one he's just kind of being stern with a beard in the last one so I don't know I feel like his public persona has shifted from I mean people are still

like ooh you know Jeff Goldblum pretty sexy or whatever but it's sexy in like a big glasses kind of like agarish shirt

yeah that kind of vibe like he's kind of a he's kind of a goofy jazz man now he isn't like a sexy open shirt guy anymore. That's exactly right. I think people are going to be like, what the hell?

What's going on here? I'm okay with this. I think he can pull it off. He was in that New Independence Day and he pretty much did. He can slip back into that. Well, he can certainly try. Oh, no. I'm Jurassic Stark again.

You're on the source too early. I don't like it. It's always happy hour somewhere. So, yeah. I don't think we're gonna get it so it's gonna i don't think they're consistently good enough to be like wow this payoff is really like yeah right yeah because i think they're like the first one's really good and then they're kind of up and down and very like within movies oh yeah right like i like the lost world a lot in parts and other parts i'm like jeez this is right yeah but it'll be a mixing of the old crew and the new crew exactly is there anybody you'd want to see from the original yeah or like any of the original ones that you like i

wish that guy got it i wish the actor who played maldoon could come back but he was but he was mauled to death by in in the do we see him get mauled Yes, and also he's dead in real life. Oh, no. Yeah. Maybe Nedry made it out. Yeah, it's true. He didn't. Are you sure? Yeah, he was Maul to death. He was in that car.

He was Maul to death. All right, but how about this? And they never, I think. Bring him back as some sort of virtual reality assistant. Oh, like a little 90s gif? Yes. Yes, please. Yes.

Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, of course, and Wong will be back. BD Wong, fine. So maybe, yeah, maybe somebody will finally suck him in the jaw for being evil. Finally. Yeah. Yeah, I like that guy. Did you see The Matrix on set?

Oh, do you have more Jurassic Snark thoughts? Yeah, maybe I do. I don't know. Where do you think the plot's going to go this time around? Well, they're in the world, aren't they? Oh, they're in the world. That's true. It's a true Jurassic world.

Yeah. You on board? Yeah. Looks like your Jurassic bark is not as bad as your bite, Mason, or the other way around. Is that right? Well, you would say that because you're a dumb bitch. Hey, you've got to get off the source, man.

I won't. You're not making this easy for me. Sorry. The Matrix. Did you see it was filming was filming oh i saw like a tiny clip i saw a clip that was so short that it could be probably compressed down to a gif it was but it was it was like a real stunt yes two people leaping off a building they're all wired up and there was the other bit of uh kiana reeves and carrie ann moss he's got his john wick hair happening and they're on a motorbike together. Did you see that one? I did see that one. They're back, Mason.

Are they all in Matrix-style outfits? They seem to be that way. Who's to say what's going on in this? Have a quick look-see. I will. That's currently filming. Not in Australia, that one, like the other ones. But as we've talked about before,

I saw a rumour that they're set in the real world or something in the Matrix movies. Because, of course, both of those characters died at or something. Yeah. In the Matrix and movies. Because, of course, both of those characters died at the end of the series. That is true, yeah. Or at the very least, Carrie Amos' character died. But also you could also bring that character back as like an avatar or a 90s gif. Well, yeah, exactly.

Going, ah, ah, ah. Yeah, that's exactly right. You know what I mean? And, of course, if we're going by the Matrix online rules. I am. Maybe they're still alive. Is that what happened in that game? I can't remember.

Something about their essences were scattered across the world and blah, blah, blah, until you get them back together. They come back to life. You can kiss them. You can kiss them. Oh, I see. Yeah, they're looking Matrix-y, aren't they? I mean, not that Matrix-y. It does look more like Carrie-Anne Moss is just giving Keanu Reeves

you know regular Keanu Reeves they're going to get some coffee or something what kind of bike is that? is that a white bike? no I think that's just the lighting

oh it's a silver bike it's a silver bike yes they look less Matrix-y? they certainly look less Matrix-y which might lend credence to the idea

that it's a they're going to some sort of fan convention involving the original matrix movies but on a motorcycle for some reason and they don't want to maybe they're going to the convention and they're interrupted by agents in the real world and they've got to get on a motorbike and go do matrix stuff would you be upset if this movie was like the actor keanu reeves is actually neo from the whatever. Like, he's like, but these are just movies I was in. That's my Keanu Reeves.

It's kind of a Bernie Sanders Keanu Reeves. He's also been punched really hard in the solar plexus. Hey, come back here. I can't believe this job. Yeah, I don't know. I wonder what level of. I don't want that. Yeah, no.

I'm not betting anything could work. What level of metafiction we're going to get. Metafiction. I don't know. I wonder what level of... I don't want that. Yeah, now, what level... I'm not betting anything could work in whatever way. What level of metafiction we're going to get? Metafiction. I don't know. Very good, yeah. Here's a question for you. Yes. Westworld season three trailer, best world or worst world?

It's kind of like the best world. For some. Probably for the rich. Less so than the poor. Are you, man? We don't really see the poor. No. And good.

Yeah. It also looks good, yes. No, I meant it's good that we don't see the poor. You know what I mean? We don't really see the poor. No. And good. Yeah. It also looks good, yes. No, I meant it's good that we don't see the poor. Yes. I don't want them gumming up my TV shows with their filthy rag clothes. That's right. Only rich, sexy people, in my opinion. Yeah.

This one seems to be set almost exclusively in the real world. Which to me is great. Some spoilers for Westworld if you don't want to know about the previous season of Westworld. Yes. Which I enjoyed. This feels like it's going to be a future world. Well, it's definitely a future world. Because, you know, there's the movies Westworld and there's the movies Futureworld.

Does this feel like a final season trailer for you? I don't think so. Well, I mean, they could make anything look like that. There seems to be Westworld replicant robots going up against each other. It's like there's no tomorrow. That's true, yeah. And Aaron Paul in this seems to be confirmed as some sort of Westworld replicant man.

Isn't he like a man on the street man? Maybe. I don't know. I didn't really – I just kind of – I didn't delve into it. I just watched it and went, good, there's a Big Mac. There's a robot without its skin. Okay, I got it. I feel like the trailer seemed to suggest – Dolores and Aaron Paul's character seem to have a conversation

which suggests that he's an artificial man who's being used in some sort of context. I thought that was kind of like, well, me and you are the same because we're both slaves to the system. Okay, well, in what way is he a slave to the system? Because he's like a construction worker or whatever. He's fulling up buildings. You know how they used to full off buildings all the time or whatever? Oh, yeah.

In old construction. Oh, is he one of those men in the iconic, that black and white girder photo when he's sitting on that? Like, yum, yum, yum, delicious lunch, though. I'm just Joe Lunchpile over here. Exactly. But he's not. He's Joe Replicant.

That's right. That's 15th of March, I believe, that's back. That's very soon. I'm going to put up a poll soon on Patreon for Caravan of Garbage for what people want to see for Westworld. Like a season one, the movie. There was a revival show. Or we could even like the original Magnificent Seven,

which the Yul Brynner character is based on. Because it's the same guy, isn't it? It looks the same. Yes, it's true. This one's a robot man. Yeah, physically based almost exclusively on that guy. That's right, Mason. Yeah.

Anyway, in this, yeah, it's all coming to a head in a way that I do not understand. Nor will I understand because I've forgotten what happens in most of the previous seasons. I'm sure they'll do a quick recap to get you up to speed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Tessa Thompson's got a big mech. That's good. Mike, how's she going to handle all this situation with a big mech? The biggest mech we've seen, I think.

How would you handle it? If you, yeah. Probably a big Mac. If you had access to a big Mac. You'd probably use the big Mac. Yeah, that's cool. Even if it was like a little thing, like filing your tax return. Oh yeah, 100%.

Yeah, just a big Mac with a 2B pencil. Exactly right, yeah. Yeah, great. And this is where we hit the Batman news of the show, Mason. Oh yeah, big Batman news. First off... Would you say too much Batman news? Well, we're not doing the big, big Batman news immediately

because Ben Affleck was talking about his Batman news. Oh, I did see that, yeah. And why he left. And as... Because he had this very candid interview, which I did not read through, but... The highlights were released on Twitter. He said that he showed somebody the Batman script

and they said, I think the script is good. I also think you'll drink yourself to death if you go through what you just went through again. So presumably talking about his run on Batman v Superman and Justice League and Live By Night and his alcoholism. Many years. Yeah, exactly. And obviously he had family problems.

You're getting divorced and you've got that back tattoo and et cetera and so forth. There's a lot going on, which that article apparently covers. So it seems like if he wasn't rooted from the project, which is also entirely possible, or they came to a realisation that it wasn't the direction they went, it seems like it's in everybody's best interest. 100%.

In particular him to, why would you do it? You don't need to do it. If he doesn't want to do it, I'm glad he didn't do it. Do you think even if in the most ideal of circumstances, do you think he would have enjoyed his time on the DCEU? I don't know because even if those movies were super well received

which they weren't particularly though some people would argue that that's not true. Oh my god. Look, in the interest of disclosure, we released a video this week. It was about the best Batman suits in media. The best Batsuits. And we certainly missed some.

And we mentioned that. But we did make the mistake of mentioning the movie Batman v Superman. We thought... It's four years out. I mean, nobody cares anymore, but people still care about our opinions on that or our wrong opinions on that movie. As they would say, people demanding we justify our opinions. No.

No, we won't. I refuse to. Not again. No. Buy the episode on vinyl. Exactly. You can have it in your house. That's right.

For free. Yeah. For money. For lots of money. When we release it, which we probably won't. Probably won't. Yeah. So I don't know.

I think I'd be interested to read his script, but he's got this new movie out where he's a sports coach and he's an alcoholic or whatever, which I think is something that seems very cathartic for him. So, yeah, good. Go in that direction. Slam dunk, parentheses. But not the booze.

That's what the movie's called. Do you slam dunk booze? Yeah. You slam it. I wouldn't say you slam dunk a booze. He slam dunks it. That's his whole bit in the movie. He's just like, time for a slam dunk dunk a booze. He slam dunks it. That's his whole bit in the movies. It's like, time for a slam dunk.

Of booze. Then he's sad. I don't know if I like that. But then at the end, everybody's chanting, slam dunk, but not the booze. Slam dunk, but not the booze. I thought they were saying slam dunk the booze, but he won't do it. He'll walk away. There's two distinct groups.

Okay, right. In the stadium. And his kid's on one side, and his kid's like, don't do it. One of his kids on one side, one of his kids on the other side. Oh, he's got an evil kid. He's got an evil kid. Well, just misunderstood. Evil.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, 100%. Okay, well, this slam dunk but not the booze sounds really good. Off the back of that, we also got our- Oh, to be clear, spoilers. He just slam dunks the booze. Oh, no. Yeah, it's a bad ending.

I don't like that. Because he's being lured by the evil kid. The evil kid's probably the cooler kid, though, isn't he? Yeah, he's really cool. That's the thing, yeah. He's smoking indoors. That is cool, especially now. You can't really get away with that.

Right? Yeah. But you can if you're wearing cool sunglasses. Or you're in Europe, which this movie is set. Set in Europe, yes, exactly, yeah. So, anyway, look forward to... Sorry, it's called Slam Dunk, but not Le Booze. I was going to say, look forward to Slam Dunk, but not LeBoo's. Who else is in that?

Somebody else. Doesn't matter. Man, I don't know why I want to say it. Or that might be that Netflix thing he's doing at the moment. There's another thing, yeah. Anyway, we've got our first official and clear... Not official, but clear look at Robat Battenbat's Batman suit. I still...

I think this is a... Stuntman suit? Well, this is a stuntman suit, but I also think it's his first suit.tenbat's Batman suit. I think this is a... Stuntman suit? Well, this is a stuntman suit, but I also think it's his first suit. It's his proto suit. Yeah, right. Who knows? I don't know. And he's on a motorbike.

It's got two big jagged bits at the top that if he broke really suddenly, it'd impale him. That's really cool. So this was some... Is this leaked footage or is this production footage? I think it's just someone just filmed it. Oh, okay, right, right. That's what I don't know what's happening. I think the reason they showed the suit, So we saw, so this was some, is this leaked footage or is this production footage? I think it's just someone just filmed it. I think the reason they showed the suit because they knew they were doing this and they're like, well, this is going to get out anyway.

Oh, yeah, for sure. So this one appears to have some sort of inbuilt dark glass goggles in the cowl. I don't know if that's part of the suit in the movie or they've just added it in because it's a stunt driver doing a motorcycle thing. Yeah, because then they could light up or something in the thing. Or they take the eyes off and whatever. I don't know. Like they CGI it out.

I don't know. Yeah, it's a stunt suit probably. I don't love it, but, like, they'll probably CGI a cape on it or even CGI the whole thing. We just don't really know. Well, exactly. I mean, you know, people have thus far been critical of a number of number of things about including the ears yeah uh but they can change the ears yeah they can change the ears in every frame of the movie if they want to they

changed uh shazam's boots oh uh in the he had different boots in the filming and then they just cgi'd the boots completely differently so yeah so it kind of looks motocrossy and like it's the padding and all that and yeah it's uh i don't know people saying it it kind of looks motocrossy and like it's the padding and all that. And yeah, it's, I don't know, people are saying it's kind of Daredevil-esque, which I don't disagree with. Some people are saying it's Krusty Damon-esque. Oh my God. Remember the Krusty Damons?

That's why I said it. I bet they're still out there, aren't they? A hundred percent they're still out there. It's good to hear. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, he may be, he may be, you know, motorcycling without the cape.

Maybe he's lost the cape in a previous scene. But you're right, maybe they had the cape in CG. Yeah, CG capes all day now. Also, the bike does fall over. Yes. That is how the video ends. This is a real Daniel Craig as Bond. Not so much Daniel Craig as Bond moment where he was, you know,

they put him on the boat and he had to wear a little life jacket. They're like, oh, look at this guy. But I think the press seem to be taking this a little better. Yeah. Because it's not Robert Pattinson in the suit. No, exactly. Oh, imagine if it was him. Oh, my God, he'd never hear the end of it.

Right. But, no, I think, you know, I'm still intrigued by this. I still, like, the rumours are still of, like, year one, year two-ish, long Halloween, et cetera. Yeah, right. Selina Carlson also seems to be on a bike next to him but it's not a very

Batman-y bike it just looks like a black bike just looks like a regular bike but again but I don't think they'll change it

but I still think this is early day stuff and even if they don't change it in this movie you mean early day stuff in the narrative

yes and like you'll be like I need a better suit to fight this whatever I'm doing today exactly yeah what have I got something else giant robot suit yeah this to giant Yes. And you'll be like, I need a better suit to fight this whatever I'm doing today. Exactly. Yeah.

What have I got? Something else. Giant robot suit. This is a giant robot. Yeah, jetpack. Gives me all the powers of Superman. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good, right?

Great. I know I'd love to talk more about this, but I don't really. We don't have any more information. I saw a little short documentary. It was interviewing Willem Dafoe and Robert Pattinson about The Lighthouse. It was very fun. Apparently they would ask for direction from, is it David Eggers? Is he the director of that movie?

I think it is. They'd be like, Robert Pattinson. I think Willem Dafoe just rolls with anything. Robert Pattinson was kind of like, is any of this actually happening? Robert Eggers. You said that, right? Yes, I said David Eggers. Well, then we've got letters. Eggers, yeah.

I should have said Senor Eggers. Correct. Mr. Eggers. And he's asking questions like, okay, is my character and Willem Dafoe's character having different interpretations of what's going on? Is it all in my mind? And he's like, just whatever you want.

So it seems like all three of them, the two main characters in that movie and the director all probably have a different interpretation of what that movie is. Whether or not there was really a squid in that lighthouse. Yeah. Have you seen it? I did see it. Yeah, I liked it a lot.

Yeah. Grim. Oh, it's grim, yeah. Black and white. Oh, yes. Boozy. Yeah, carousing. Yeah, it's a bit boozy. Hij lot. Yeah. Grim. Oh, it's great. Yeah. Black and white. Oh, yes. Boozy. Yeah. Carousing.

Yeah, it's a bit boozy. Hijinks. Yeah. You really feel like the drunkenness and the hungoverness. Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It feels like when you're watching it that you've woken up hungover. Yeah.

Yeah. And just this sense of like, yeah, there's absolute solace there. Like there's just being on this island with no one else and the other person's a lunatic. Yeah. What's your life now? Exactly. Yeah.

No good. It's a good movie though. Oh, yeah. And apparently it's all like all the dialogue is based off real dialogue, old-timey dialogue from ship's journals and ledgers and diaries and things like that. So it's not just – It's not just whatever.

It's just insane man chat, but it's all kind of – It's kind of that, though, isn't it? It really is, yeah. I mean, I'm sure all the people writing those journals were insane. Yeah, you can follow it, though. Anyway, that's been our review of The Lighthouse. It came out many months ago. Yeah, but it's good.

It's probably streaming now. Yeah. Big DC new shake-up, and this is going to lead into our topic, which was a Patreon suggestion. Dan DiDio, which may be how you pronounce his name. I've never said that. I've always said DiDio, but I'm probably wrong. No, well, look, one of us is right.

Dan, if you could write in. There's every chance that both of us are wrong, though. Yeah, that's true. There's a closer to 90% chance we're both wrong. Yeah, so he took on one of the head DC roles with, I believe, Jim Lee in 2010, responsible for events like the New 52 and then the counselling of the New 52. Oh, yeah, I remember that, yeah. There's rumour has it that the High Apt and Warner Brothers,

because of the result of the high staff turnover of late, because looking at the list of creators who have left, it's pretty massive, and issues with editorial and publishing plans, he's been pointed to as the man responsible. Bleeding Cool, the website, has said he was fired for fostering a poor work environment. And one of the aspects of, and I did not know about this at all,

but there's this much rumoured 5G comic run coming out. Terrible name. No, it's perfect. It's bad. Because of internet, Mason. Oh, yeah, good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They'd have to change it because they might be called Generation 5.

Okay. So just this probably won't happen or at least in this form. This was the rumour of it. Again, it's a rumour, which would be seen as DC's major, which would see DC's major figures like Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, Diana, and they age out of the roles of Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman as part of a new DC timeline. So their original stories would have still taken place.

Superman would be from the 30s and so on and so forth or whatever. So that's apparently the idea. So then I guess you're going Damian Wayne and then beyond, presumably. Well, that's interesting because after 80 years of these characters, 80-plus years of these characters, that is essentially what Earth 2 was in the 50s through to the 80s. It was this parallel universe. In the DC Comics continuity, there was Earth 1, which was the modern day,

like as if Batman and Superman and those characters had started fighting crime just quite recently. And they were like, but also we'll have our cake and eat it too. We'll have an Earth 2 in which those characters started fighting crime when they were first published in like the 30s and 40s. Yeah, right, yeah. And so if you wanted to read a story about Batman and Superman in their prime, you'd read an Earth 1 book. Yeah.

And if you wanted to be like, well, what if Batman got married to Catwoman and they had a kid, you could read a earth one book yeah and if you wanted to be like well what if batman got married to catwoman they had a kid you could read that you could read an earth two book yeah i think but then they cancelled that because it was too complicated and then that went crisis that was crisis on infinite earth they were like this is too difficult and now there's literally infinite earths that's too many earths so they got rid of all of that all the earths all the earths and then even earth two and so now we're back. Yeah, that was gone. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Anyway, so it's back apparently. Maybe. This isn't even, it's not even a new idea. Don't sell it to me like it's a new idea. They should say, brackets, like it was prior to the 80s. Well, I guess the idea behind this would be, it would be odd that you're suddenly speeding up the current timeline. Every now and then you're just like Superman's

80 or older just all of a sudden Batman's been dead for 20 years I just think that's you got punched really hard I think it would be interesting if and they probably wouldn't do it this way if you age them up from now in relative real time and slowly build new characters over 10 years or whatever

but just to be like Superman's not Superman anymore all of a sudden I think. I think there was a good idea in ageing out characters and introducing new versions. I like now that they seem to have actually stuck with Superman having a son now. Yeah, right. He's had multiple versions of multiple sons over the decades.

And they're all erased from existence. Yeah. So anyway, internally also, Scott Snyder, who you might know, he is... Not personally. Well, you know him. You've met him personally

he's a good friend of yours that's true apparently he Dan Didio or Didio backed him on Dark Mirror is it called Dark Mirror

it's his first comic where Dick Grayson is Batman and he's oh yeah it's a really good comic if you haven't read it if it's called that

I don't know I have it I can't yeah I don't have it in front of me so I can't remember so he kind of said that you know know, I, but it was apparently though that even though these guys, you know, these guys clashed a lot and what was planned with 5G and he wanted his Dark Knight metals

or metal, whatever it is called. Metal, yes. He wanted that separate from what's going on here. Okay. And apparently this 5G event is still launching in October. Okay. But we don't really know in what shape or form. And it seems like Jim Lee is now the one in charge.

Pogform? Yeah, Pogform. So there's a lot of people kind of cheering on the exit of this guy. And there's certainly things in here which he's done that I don't like or agree with. But in his run, there's been some pretty standout stuff that he has greenlit. For example, he was the season three story editor of the animated TV series Reboot. Oh. That happened, did it?

Yep. When did that show come out? 1997. Oh, I thought you meant the Reboot Reboot. No, no, no. The original Reboot. I'm talking about in the current run. Oh, no, no, no.

I hate that show. No, you don't. They're always stuck in a mainframe, and one of the characters was maybe called Mainframe probably. Just like us. Just like us. But with all this talk of internal stuff, there was a few creatives, and I've taken two of them who commented on him leaving.

Gail Simone, who's a famous comic creator. Yes, Batgirl and Secret Six and all sorts of stuff, yeah. She said, so Bleeding Cool is reporting that Dan is no longer affiliated with DC Comics. I liked Dan very much. We disagreed a lot, but he did a lot. But he did a lot that others took credit for, and when things went bad, he often took the blame he didn't deserve.

I wish him every success. And even Scott Snyder has said, Dan is one of the most passionate people I know when it comes to this medium. He loves comics with every fibre. If I may, if he loves comic books so much why doesn't he marry them jurassic snark is back everybody it's our recurring segment yeah so uh he backs me on black mirror there we go that's what it was called i think i said yeah because black mirror doesn't sound right because it's another thing yeah uh when others

didn't want it to happen then quarter vows american vampire we had some nuclear fights over the years sure but above all after a decade of working with him all i feel is gratitude to dan for his support and friendship and dc will be very different without him so yeah it seems like some people believe that he's taken the brunt for these things that happens and yeah right with all creative decisions obviously there's people who hate it and love it and whatever but i still think these last 10 years of dc there's been some pretty iconic stuff that has occurred under his watch. Yes. So, again, even though some things that aren't great,

but I think there's a lot of people just be like, fuck him and good. Give me one example. Of a good thing? Yes. I think there's, I think like the Scott Snyder stuff, Super Sun stuff is good. Yeah, so like Damian Wayne being a new Robin who isn't just being erased. Because there was a tease many years ago, I think, of like,

in the future it's Batman's son, Damian Wayne, and blah, blah, blah. Yes. And then the plot thread just was left dangling forever. And it's like, well, it's nice to actually have some movement in this narrative. Yeah. But so I don't know. We're going to get there will be some kind of shakeup. Also, New 52 was incredibly successful initially.

Yeah, right. And then they kind of, it was a race to do everything all at once. Yeah. And I think that's kind of made it fall down. And of course they erased all the old stuff. And I guess bringing all that back is a good move. But DC Rebirth wasn't as successful as New 52. We have to remember, none of this is actually anyone's fault besides Dr. Manhattan's fault.

Dr. Manhattan did this, right? Oh, yeah, there was that also. Yeah, narratively it's his fault. I don't like that. No, I don't either. I don't like him at all. I don't mind. I think there's a good idea in that,

but that's a Geoff Johns thing and whatever and so forth. So, yeah, I don't know. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out for the rest of the year and then et cetera and so forth forever and ever. That's true. But, again, I do like the idea of characters aging out. What's going to happen to Superman's underpants? Inside, outside both?

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So I don't remember if this has been done with maybe superhero crossover movies you like to see made or some ones you definitely don't want to see made. Ashley says just simply Red Dwarf. Dwarf. Sorry. Thank you. I know.

Andrew says movies that grew on you over time or maybe movies that you wanted to grow on you but never did. Okay, sure. But the one I think we're going with this week, this is from Taz, and she says, most controversial comic book moments. The example given here is Batman Dong Edition and Hydra Cap. Those are the kind of examples that are thrown out there,

but kind of going through a list and Googling it and things that I remember without being a big deal. Yeah, I think this is really interesting. Should we start with Batman's dong? Yes, I've written here, let's start with Batman's dong. I actually wrote that. Oh, cool. It's in my notes.

That's pretty cool. So for those people who don't know, there was a recent rude, it's called DC After Dark nude stuff. What's it called again? It's called Black Edition? Yeah. Yeah, DC Black Label. Yeah, so there you go.

So essentially it's for grown-ups. Absolutely. It's for people who want to see dongs in comics. This ain't your grandpappy's DC comics, I'll tell you what. And it's certainly not your grandpa's dong either. It's a new and fresh dong. Fresh dong. Fresh off the press.

Yep. So they basically revealed, and it's mostly just silhouetted, but you see a naked Bruce Wayne and you see his dong, don't you? Yep. And there was such controversy. Why, though? I'm going to look this up very quick. I think it's because it's Batman.

Because if you, I think we mentioned this. That doesn't mean anything. No, because it's like a children's character, essentially. Right. Not all of it, obviously. Well, they're not his dick. No. That's not for children.

No. But, you know, as I mentioned at the time, you get comics like Sex Criminals and whatever, where it's dong city in there, you know what I mean? Yeah, right. But these are seen by a lot of people as they're not for adults. Okay, this is Brian Azzarello talking about this. Which is not true, obviously.

DC set up this imprint, take our characters, do something mature. When that opportunity was given to us, we decided, let's not half-ass this, let's go all the way, we'll either go down in a blaze of glory or we hit the ball. Zuh. Zuh, of his dong. Let's not half-ass this, Let's go all the way. We'll either go down in a blazer glory or we hit the ball. Zuh. Zuh. Off his dong. Let's not half-arse this.

Let's go full dong. But mature doesn't mean necessarily show Batman's dick. Does that to you? Does that help? I don't go straight away. Well, let's see his dick then. Come on. If you're doing something mature. Come on.

Let's see it. The suits. What are you doing? You curled? I don't think it's a big deal. That's an odd quote though though, to be like. Yeah, right. But I guess, you know, I don't think it really adds anything to the comic or takes away from it.

I don't think it changes anything. Well, here's the thing, though. I don't know anything about that storyline besides that. I did read it, but I don't remember it. Did I read the Dong edition? I think because I read mostly mostly digital comics so it'll be updated by now for sure so you're gonna like again you're gonna have to get the laptop with that version on it switch all the wi-fi's off put it in a safe or something well you have to choose

to upgrade your comics and so i never will i want to you know oh but your wife could get in there and be like no thank you oh you know what I've probably deleted it because I wipe stuff off my phone if I have space. Well, there's no way to see it then. How am I going to see Batman's dong? How am I going to do it? But so, yeah, basically, yeah. So as we mentioned, they redid it. Yeah.

Redong it. And now you can't see the dong. Batman enlists the help of the foul-mouthed magician John Constantine. Is that the one? Yes. It's a Constantine-narrated story. That's right. It's three issues, maybe?

Batman, your torch is hanging out. That's what he said. Yeah, it ends abruptly from memory. Okay. But I don't remember disliking it. There you go. The dong, that is. Right, sure.

I was okay with it, yeah. Do you want to then skip over to the New 52? Okay, sure. What are your thoughts on New 52? First of all yeah do you want to then skip over to the new 52 okay sure what are your thoughts on new 52 first of all do you want to explain what it is for those who might not know i'm trying to remember what the new 52 was they just rebooted everything i know exactly well every what happened is uh every every 10 it used to be like every 20 years but then it became every 15 years every 10 years every five years yeah dc 20 years, but then it became every 15 years, every 10 years, every five years. DC reboots their entire continuity. It's almost always in story.

Yes. So like a big city galaxy destroying thing shows up and it's going to erase all of reality and the heroes race to stop it and then they do it. But at what cost? Well, all of reality has changed, whatever. And I don't know what the springboard was for the new 52. I don't know if there was a particular reality-shaking event.

There probably was that made it happen. I'm going to find out what it is. Sure. I was at Flashpoint. Was that before or after? I don't know. Because I was going to say Flashpoint. Following the conclusion of the Flashpoint crossover.

It was. Okay, yeah, okay. Because I can't remember whether that was the start of Rebirth or whether it was the start of E52. You're right. This is the problem. Yeah. And this is why this sort of stuff is controversial

because they never let anything breathe. Yeah. I mean, I say that, but it's like 10 years. Well, it is now, isn't it? Yeah, right. But this one, so essentially the Flashpoint storyline was that the Flash, who at his fastest can travel through time, is like, I'm going to go back in time and stop the death of my mother.

Yep. There's a movie you can watch as well. Yeah, and there's also, the storyline was basically covered in the Flash TV series as well. Yes. So he goes back in time to stop his mother being killed, and I believe the culprit is the reverse Flash. Yeah.

She was killed under mysterious circumstances, and in doing so he alters the timeline so all of reality has changed. And in the future Wonder Woman is fighting Aquaman, their armies are battling. Oh, yeah. And he gets a note from, and that's where Batman's evil dad comes from

and his mum's a joker. Yes, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there is a nice moment where he gets, I think it's a good comic. Apparently it still might be happening in the new Flash movie but it seems kind of unearned to be like we're doing flashpoints straight out of the gate that being said it would justify all the changes that have been made yeah right movie what's interesting about the new 52 is one of the things they they they did is they wanted they got

wonder was speaking of wonder woman they got wonder Woman's origin and they changed it so it was more accurate to the Greek myths. So it was like if a boy is born on the Amazonian island of Themyscira, they kill it. Yes. And they have- They told her she was clay. Yeah, she was the daughter of Zeus. Yeah.

And in order to have more children on Themyscira, they lure sailors and then they like Kill them Yeah Throw them overboard Cool So That's fun right They Amazons get pregnant By sleeping with human sailors

And then murder and dump at sea That's Classic That's fun Yeah right Yeah so I mean it's a bit of a double standard Isn't it Mason

Obviously Very much so yeah It's PC gone mad Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah The problem also with the new 52 Is it was operating on some sort of weird timeline where not all the books were operating in the same time period. So over in the Justice League comic book, Superman was like a fully realised Superman. He even had his new high-tech suit with no other pants.

But in Superman's own book, he was just this dude rocking around T-shirt and jeans. Was that in the future? No, that was the past. I don't know if it was because that's Superman. See, that's the problem. Maybe I'm thinking of the movie, but that's because when he's introduced to the Justice League, they all try to beat him up. So that T-shirt stuff must be long after then, right?

I think it's before. Anyway, he's dead. Oh, that version of Superman is in fact dead. He died. He's literally dead. He wasn't just erased from continuity. They killed him. They killed him and then replaced him with the prior version of Superman.

Yeah. I didn't like that version anyway. Right. I thought he was... Was New 52 also the version that Batman had disappeared and he was replaced with Jim Gordon as Batman? That happened in that, yeah. And he was wearing a mech suit?

See, that's the thing, though, because I think there's some good stories within it. I just don't know or care how it all comes together. And I don't know where they were placed. I don't know if that was that the future, was that the past. And I'm sure people could send us a spreadsheet, but I don't want it. Right?

It doesn't matter anymore because 5G is coming or whatever. Are we still in the new 52? No, we're in the rebirth. Or we're out of it now or whatever. Oh my God. This is the problem. I don't really have a problem with this because comics always change.

Yeah, that's for sure. And they're bad and they're good and they're whatever. That's probably true, yeah. And the thing that always has mattered to me is good story arcs. I guess that's probably true. I don't care about continuity.

I don't give a shit. But I think often, I feel maybe the issue, but you're probably right. You know, one of the issues I had with one of these reboots is that the Robin that I, my favourite Robin was Tim Drake. Sounds like a 60s sitcom.

Right, my favourite Robin. I'm living with too many Robins. But this one's my favourite. But one of them was like taken out of continuity. They were like, no, no, he was never Robin. Red Robin? Yeah, and he became Red Robin. And it's like, well, what's the point of that?

Like, why do it? Why do it? I mean, it doesn't, you know, just, yeah, let's just say, I mean, did they have a maximum number of quotas? Did Bill Finger one day or Bob Kane be like, there can only ever be five Robins in continuity at any given time. One in, one out. That's my rule for Robins.

If it was Bill Finger, nobody would have listened to him. That's true, yeah. Wouldn't have been Bill Finger. No, I don't understand that. But again, like, you can read that first New 52 Aquaman run. The Wonder Woman one,

the Batman run. The Aquaman one was very good, if I recall. Yes, if you read that entire Scott Snyder run, and even, because he just finished it with, he's carrying Joker's head

around a lantern or whatever recently. But also, they had to do 52 new books, right? But they didn't though, did they? Because that was the idea, but I don't think they got to them. And they made Lobo like trim and sexy. Yeah, that's how he started. Lobo began his life trim and sexy and then he got bigger and more of a caricature.

In the 90s, I assume. As the character got more like fan service-y. Yeah, right. Okay, let's make him bigger and weirder. Yeah. And I think what happens as well, I'm sure that he got certain artists who who drew everybody in a kind of caricature way yeah right and then the further and then people like i like that style let's have everybody do it and they're kind of you know okay yeah it's fun isn't it it's very fun we get off

this one thing that we're stuck on the new 52 no let's let's let's maroon ourselves in the new that's so many more things okay carry on then this is also a rebooty kind of thing and i i just need you to explain it again oh no uh marvel's heroes reborn oh okay i can do this all right so so this is fun for me i know okay so basically what happened was these aren't all reboot things, by the way. No, there was other stuff that isn't reboots. But basically what happened was is I think Marvel had a bunch of, like a number of character, like a number of series that never particularly did, they never did particularly well.

Like from like the 90s to now, they haven't ever been particularly popular. Like the X-Men are wildly popular, Spider-Man wildly popular, but a few others were not. And so they were like, let's get some super hot creator types, like from Image Comics, can you believe it? Your Liefelds, your Lees.

Your Lees, your Wills Portasios. And they were like, okay, let's, the premise was there was a crossover series featuring a villain called Onslaught, and all the good guys had to team up and defeat onslaught was he maybe professor x's brain or something yeah he was perfect he was he was magneto's evil spirit inside professor x's body and then it created a a new being with all their powers plus more powers but at the end in order to defeat Onslaught, a number of the heroes,

coincidentally the ones that weren't particularly popular and weren't selling a lot of books, they all charged at him and were seemingly all killed. But Franklin Richards, the son of Mr Fantastic and the Invisible Woman, put them instead into a parallel reality where everything was cooler and sexier. And they had new origin stories stories a lot of beach time not as much beach time as you'd think but iron man got a book fantastic four got a book these were the also it's weird that they're the

not popular characters a captain america was in there i think captain america got a book there was an avengers book yeah i think there was a thor what's interesting about that is that now these are all the most. Yes. I mean, with the exception of Spider-Man, who's always perennially popular. It's because of the movies, though, right? Yeah, it's because of the movies. And the reason that the characters,

the reason that the MCU has this particular raft of characters is because they were never popular in the comic books. Yeah. Although in recent memory, they weren't popular in the comic books. So they were never licensed out to any of the movie studios to make you know a spider-man movie or an x-men movie i did a video on it it's called marvel's gamble or something yeah right and so these characters marvel still owned them yes so and so they were doing stuff like rebooting them in weird ways or whatever and so they when when

they when they put together their own movie studio, these are the characters they had left essentially with the exception of the Fantastic Four, I guess. Can't account for that. No one ever could. Yeah. So would you say it was a success or not a success? I don't know if it made any money. You're right.

So despite all of these things. Yeah, right. And so was it in the regular – I mean, I bought them all. Sure you did. But in the regular universe, those characters were replaced. Is that right with your versions? No, those characters were replaced. Is that right? With newer versions? No, those characters, people were just like,

what happened to Iron Man? Where did he go? That was it. So there's a new war machine doing the Iron Man stuff or whatever. Oh, there were a few replacements. Actually, the more interesting stuff was what happened in the regular Marvel universe, wherever he was gone. So because New York had no Avengers,

the new greatest superhero team was the thunderbolts which was actually a bunch of super villains in the sky so that was a good that that is a concept that remains you know popular okay so this very day that's where they haven't done the thunderbolts i think it's coming you think it's coming fast yeah because you need that build-up of villains who haven't also been killed yes so it's taken some time because a lot of them but also realities and whatever oh yeah just bring it back just bring it back who cares right well speaking of hero heroes turn villains advice well i was gonna say just if you want to some of the art was not great i mean it was like it was the image and dynamic and sexy kind of thing yeah but it was like a broken spine everybody googled heroes reborn captain america yes you've seen it you've definitely seen it if you're listening to and sexy kind of thing. Yeah. But it was like... He's got a broken spine. Everybody Googled Heroes Reborn Captain America.

Yes, you've seen it. You've definitely seen it. If you're listening to this, you've seen it. And 100% one of them will be like... One of the pictures will be like a side-by-side, like somebody's imagined him nude as well. Like take the uniform off and imagine what that man looks like. Hot stuff.

That huge side of beef, weird man. All in all, you loved it. No. You didn't like it everyone it was it was bad jurassic snark here he is it's not how it's not how snark works it is basically you didn't like it anything you don't like is pure snark i get it okay and when basically what happened at the end of that is they they all returned to their own reality and all the all the all the narrative issues they had in the in the pre you know prior to going in were just suddenly resolved.

That's lucky. Like prior to Iron Man going in there, he turned evil because of time travel shenanigans and then he was killed and replaced by his teenage self. Yep. And so the teenage self went into this parallel universe and became an adult. But when he emerged from that fake reality, he was just normal Tony Stark again with no explanation. And he just had all these other memories. Just had all these other memories, yeah.

Comic books. And different realities. Different realities, yeah. Merging, he's like, my brain's merged. Probably yelled, my brain's merged. Probably he did. No, that's true, yeah. So Hydra Cap is a newer thing, which was quite controversial, I feel.

No, it was said it was, but it's not, I don't think. I think it's just a, I mean, if you've read the story, and I guess I'll spoil the end, he's not that at the end. Okay, maybe explain the start. Okay, so essentially it's like Captain America's back. He's back from the dead. America's greatest hero. And everyone's super excited.

But it turns out because of fucking around with the Cosmic Cube, multiple villains, mostly led by Red Skull, I believe. I have read it. I can't really remember. Have you? Yes. They go back in time and they mess with his past, so he's got loyalty to Hydra.

Yeah, right. And so he's essentially Captain Hydra, and he ends up running kind of the world as the president. And as often happens with any kind of character change or comic book related thing, is that this idea goes out into the mainstream. Was this pre? No, this was during the MCU, right?

Yeah, this was like four years ago. So basically what happens is this article starts being written in the mainstream media and people are like, they've made him evil. Well, this is, how would you? You can't make him. And then Marvel's like, yeah. 2017, Secret Hydra.

And Marvel's like, he's definitely going to stay evil forever. We've made him evil forever. We've done this for a reason. And it's real, we've made him real evil forever. And then the mainstream media's like, oh, my God, they've ruined an icon. And then a couple of years later, he's just re-created. Yeah, you don't even know if it was that long.

But, yeah, he was really in there the whole time. And the spirit of Bucky and something summoned him. I can't remember. I have read it. It's good. But from memory, I just haven't read it today, which is why I don't remember summoning me i can't remember i have read it it's good from memory i just haven't read it today which is why i don't remember oh well you should have read it today because again anything from like the past four or five years when my son was born i just have my memories just like i don't know i'm the same any so it's not just a kid i think no i think no i think it's your son is projecting some sort of wave from his brain and

it's erasing it doesn't have that. It's probably the laser to the brain. It'll do it, yeah. So, I don't know, cap hydro. Here we go. But doesn't this just prove the bloody, the absolute, just the, what's the word I'm looking for? The gall. The audacity.

The sheer audacity. No, more the like the, I'll think of the word later. In conjunction to what though? Just the idea that like all this stuff is so, the comic book stuff, it just comes and goes. Yeah, and all of this is that. Yeah. Though I think some of this stuff has had impacts to this day, though,

for the worse. Yeah, right. What about this one, though? Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, they're siblings, but also they were maybe having sex or something. Oh, this was in Ultimate Comics. Again, this is a new sexy reboot. A lot of this stuff.

That's what people want, a new sexy reboot. That's right. A lot of this stuff seems to be people going, it's a lot of stunts really. But this was the, again, the Ultimate Universe, which was operating in parallel with the regular Marvel Universe. And it was like, well, what if we don't want people to have to open up an X-Men comic book

and there's a million years of continuity with this and I don't know, why does that character hate this character and what's this relationship between these two characters, whatever? They're like, let's start it all again. Let's have some modern day origins. Let's free it of all the continuity. Yes. And let's have Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver,

they're brother and sister, but... Sex stuff. It's weird. Yeah. I haven't read any of it. Okay. I just know it's a big deal. And it's gone now, I think.

The Ultimate Universe, it is gone, yes. Some of it survived. Miles Morales did. Well, you had the same problem with this as, like, I said, with the New 52, where they did all the history really quickly. They had to rush it all in. Like, somebody's like...

40 years of history. Somebody's like, well, oh, this universe doesn't have a venom yet. What if I invent the venom for this universe? Bad. Fine. In a jar. It was in a jar. It was in a jar.

Jar of Vegemite gone bad, left in the sun. That's right. That's what happens. Yeah. That's whose catchphrase was good, eh, mates? Yes. This next thing, I think, is the- I'm full of vitamin B.

Is the- Antique. Yep. This thing, I think, the I'm full of vitamin B Is the Antique Yep The This thing I think is the catalyst Oh yes It's not the first kind of stunt But it's kind of responsible

For modern comic book day stunts Do you know what I'm talking about? Is it the killing joke? I was going to say Death of Superman Oh yeah okay right Because it was like That was the real like

Superman's dead And he's never coming back Yeah And people are like What are we What's on the front of the newspaper? Like real newspapers but it's an icon what are they gonna i remember the um the peak of the comic book 90s boom i remember australia's the late show from the d generation had a joke about the death of superman and i'm like wow

all my all my interests are intersecting yes yes i'm it's a shame that superman's dead forever but it's worth it yeah exactly of course he wasn't dead no two couple years i can't remember a couple years yeah yeah it's a really strange story if you've read it now because there's a lot of stuff in there i've mentioned this before but it's just like what is any of this it's so steeped in continuity from back then like who are all these supergirls not really supergirl she's like an alien blob who can shift into supergirl yeah and who's also dating lex luther yeah who's the clone of lex luther because he's lex luther's it was his son not really a somebody pretending he was saying and his hair continually

grows so he yeah so so lex luther uh don't read it don't read it no oh you can skip all that lex luther got cancer because he was always wearing a kryptonite ring. Cool, bro. And then he, so he got another body cloned and then he put, then he had his, he got it cloned in Australia. Mm. It's a big, I guess it's cheaper. Vegemite. Yeah, Vegemite. Get out, mate.

It's me. And then he had his brain transplanted into this clone and then he claimed to be his own son. Got this new bod. And then he started dating Supergirl. Like a boogie bod with. Yes. Dating this blob.

Yeah. It was called, it was called the bod and his blob. That's what the comic book was called they didn't make a comic book about anything back then and his hair continually grew all the time and it was red

yeah well that's what he is red isn't he he's always been red yeah I think so yeah and also in very early stories this is unrelated

but one of the reasons that Lex Luthor hates Superman is because Superman made him go bald in a failed experiment which was also actually Lex Luthor's fault it was 100% Lex Luthor's fault but It was 100% Lex Luthor's fault, but there was a fire.

He started an experiment, there was a fire, and then Superman came in and was like, I'll blow out this fire, and he did his Superman. But the vapours! The vapours got in all of Luthor's follicles. All his hair fell out. He was like, curse you, Superman. He blew some supernair on his face.

On his scalp. That's right. You made a big deal of it at the time, didn't you? Yeah, that's right. So that was, I think, set up a lot deal of it at the time, didn't you? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So that was, I think, set up a lot of the stunts, including like Batman getting his back broken. And 100% it established the playbook of like, we're changing continuity forever. Yeah.

This is never coming back. I like a lot of the ideas behind that story. I really like the idea of the four Superman turning up and which one's the real one. Spoiler alert, none of them. But was it four? It was four, wasn't it? It was four, yeah. And I would have really liked to have seen something done with that

in live action when they killed Superman to be like, not just go, well, we zapped him with a box and now he's back. What's the fallout from that? Aside from people going, we're sad because Superman's dead maybe? Speaking of fallout, you want a cyborg Superman, also played by Henry Cavill, but he's got a metal mustache. Oh my god, Mason! Right?

The dream! Yes. Yeah. It also resulted in that awful Death of Superman video game we played. Oh yeah, which we still banked. We did a caravan of garbage on it, but I feel like the end result was so boring. I never put it out. Yeah, we never put it out.

Yeah, because I'm like, I've got to pay to get this edited. Right. And then it won't make any money. And it was just a side-scrolling beat-em-up and it never... It's just the same thing again. It's just the same thing for so many levels. And also all the characters play exactly the same.

Yeah. So whatever version of Superman, it doesn't... It doesn't matter, yeah. Yeah. But imagine though, off the back of that though, you then made this Superman movie

without Superman where you've got these four Supermen in it. Yeah. And you could have introduced Steel and Superboy and Eradicator and Metallo, whatever that other one was. Cyborg Superman with the big mustaches. Hank Henshaw's got the same Lex Luthor story, essentially. He was an astronaut with his wife.

They went on an astronaut mission into space and then their bloody shuttle was about to explode and then Superman rescued him. But he went bald. Exactly. And his wife went bald. Can't be hanging out with a bald wife. But then his wife died and he's like, I blame you, Superman.

But also when he went into space, he gained the ability to control machines with his mind. Technopath. Yes. You're right. You're 100% right because I just Googled it as well. And then when he defeated, he was a Superman villain for a while, and then when Superman defeated him,

his brain went up back into space and it found, well, his energy waves or whatever, and found the spaceship that Superman came to Earth in. So it had enough Kryptonian DNA and enough Kryptonian technology in it that he could clone himself a Superman body with cyborg bits. And they're like, what do you remember, Cyborg Superman? He's like, I remember some things.

And that's pretty much all he... Certainly didn't have a bald wife, let me tell you. Couldn't tell you who my wife is currently, but... There's one thing you could accuse me of, it's certainly not that. Tell you that much. Do you want... I mean, Batman broke his back, which...

He didn't break his own back. He did. He picked himself up and broke himself over his own head. Wow. Over one of his luxurious banisters. Because that's what the rich people do. They're so bored. They've got nothing to do.

They don't even care about it. They're like, oh, my God. I just want to feel something. The idea behind this, though, was also because people wanted Batman to be more edgy and cool and real. It wasn't at DC one of that also. So they went, well, let's do the edgy, real Batman and show you how dumb it is.

I think some creators in the Batman creator camp were like, yeah, if that's what you want, we'll do it. We'll go too far and then everybody will be begging us to bring it back to the status quo. I don't know how true that is, but that's what they've said in the past. And were people begging for him to come back at that point? I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah, I don't really remember. It's a big deal at the time. There's probably a documentary on it. No doubt. They'll just make it out of this probably. Yeah, just use this. We don't mind. Just add dramatic music.

Pay us, pay us, pay us. Add some reverb and some dramatic music. And you can do this. And then things were changed forever. Yeah. Bruce Wayne was flying high and all crammed crashing down. Otto Abanister, he did it himself. I mean, that was, you know, there's been some echoes of that

in other Batman stuff. So like in The Dark Knight Rises, of course, Bane was the instigator of that. Even, I guess, was Kingdom Come after this? Because he's got this neck brace in that. But that could just be genuine wear and tear. I think Kingdom Come was after this. Yeah. But I figured that's just because he's been doing that shit anyway.

Being Batman for decades probably. How did he come back? Was it mostly just exercises? It turned out well. Was it Lazarus stuff? Did he put a rope around did he loop a rope under his arms and then a guy kicked him in the back? No. Like in the Dark Knight Rises? It turned out that one of his doctors slash love interests also had psychic healing powers.

Oh, yeah. Which was kind of a lame cop-out. Just Lazarus Pit. Does it do that, though? No, he doesn't Lazarus Pit. Just go up to your armpits. You don't even have to put your brain in it. If you put Kingdom Come into Google, the first result is an action role-playing game,

Kingdom Come Deliverance, which came out in 2018. That's not the one. That's the one I want. No. Is that the one you want? No. There's a sequel to that also, isn't there? Not the role-playing game, the comic.

Yeah, it was just called The Kingdom. That's where we had the first appearance of Damian Wayne. But he was Damian Al Ghul, I think. Yeah, twist, twist. Kingdom Come came out in 1996. Let's look up Knights and... I mean, Kingdom Come's its own thing anyway, isn't it? Yeah, that's true.

Nightfall. God damn it. Nightfall is about... It's a TV series. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. DC, your search engine optimization is not good. Nightfall was 1993, 1994. There you go.

I was going to say 93, but I didn't want to back myself. Okay, don't. Never do. Yeah, but again, that could just be a coincidence. I think it's a coincidence. What about this? We're stepping back in time. This is more the government making a big deal of comics.

Excuse me? The Comics Code Authority. Oh, right. Which is like comics promotes. Dr. Frederick Wortham. Yes. We may have talked about this on the podcast, I think. But in the 50s. Big scare campaign.

Big scare campaign. There was a guy called Dr. Frederick Wortham. He sucks, straight up. He sucks straight up. And he was like, thank you. If they reprint the book, they should put that on the cover. And he made a book called The Seduction of the Innocent. And basically he was like, all these juvenile delinquents, it's comic book called the seduction of the innocent basically was like all these

juvenile delinquents it's comic books fault kind of thing yeah and and some of his but but it's just boomers running amok man that's right or as they called them at the time regular people but we know better don't we we do yeah it's like the it's that idea of like the worst man you know made a great point you know like that that Onion article kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. Because some of the stuff was, some of the comic book stuff at the time was quite grisly. Yes. And like there'd be like torture and murder and like, you know.

Real crime, big time crime stuff. Yeah, they're like the guy, Bill Gaines, who I think published Mad Magazine, he would also do like Tales from the Crypt and he would do like even more grisly crime stuff and, you know, horrible torture and maiming and all that sort of stuff. And it made sense that he'd be like, well, maybe we don't want to show kids all that sort of stuff.

But all the rules that were set in place after this – oh, well, I'll talk about the book. But the book was – some of the examples were like, oh, look, it's a picture of a robin and he's – but it got his hands on his hips and he's thrusting his crotch at the viewer. And it's like, is that what he's doing? Is that what you're reading into, what he's doing there? And he'd be like, you can clearly see the genitalia

in this person's armpit or whatever. And you're like, I think you're... They made him change weird things as well, wasn't it? Yeah, and I wonder if... That's why Batman and Robin got a mate, Aunt Harriet. So it's like, well, they're not gay because they also live with an old woman. That's why a mate Aunt Harriet so it's like well they're not gay because they also live with an old woman

that's why they got Aunt Harriet and that's why Batwoman exists as well yes someone for them to kiss potentially exactly for sure and yeah I wonder how much of it was because I don't know

like I feel like when I hear about this sort of stuff it feels like this book would have been published in earnest well this is I see some problems in society but I wonder how much of it was just him yeah being like a scaremonger for money like i i honestly i think there's a well there's a lot of parallels to that today you know people being like you know

immigrants are stealing your jobs and etc and so forth and video games are causing mass shootings etc and so forth but uh you know and there was like the 80s satanic panic for like dungeons dragons all that kind of shit this stuff comes around every every once in a while there's like a new thing but i think comics aren't people don't really think about that with comics now because comics are literally every they cover yeah exactly that's true yeah yeah but there are things like i remember you mentioning that marvel wolfman famous comic book creator oh he one of the words you couldn't say wolfman yeah you could say wolfman a comic book so his name was not allowed to be one day he was like well i'm gonna i'm gonna put a

sneaky little credit to me in in this comic book and and they're like no and yeah exactly and it was things like there was a lot of grizzly murders in the batmans and then it was just all joker hijinks and things like that because they changed it it had to be approved by this this dumb thing the joker didn't kill anybody in a comic book for like 25 years or something like that because he wasn't, they were like, well. And, yeah, and again, you know, the rules were such like, you know, the villains could never win at the end of a comic book so they could never really be a two-parter.

You can't show authority in a negative light. You can't have crime paying off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Scott Nerdsync did a really interesting video where he breaks down the entire history of it. Let's put it in. Let's put it in. But it's really great.

I'll link it below. But essentially, it goes for much longer than you think. Yeah, right. This Comics Code Authority stamp lasted a really, really long time. And by the end, it was just like one person just kind of reading and approving things. But it only went through people as a courtesy. Yeah.

And then it got to the point where comic creators were just like, fuck this, what are we doing? Yeah, for sure. Alan Moore was like, we're doing it. And Stan Lee did a – he had a three-part Spider-Man storyline about drug abuse. And he was basically – Was this an alcoholism thing with Tony Stark as well?

Would that come up against it? No, I think that was after well actually it's in Scott's video oh there you go that'll cover it but yeah like I think it was in the 70s

and they submitted this story the comics code and they're like we can't you can't publish this and Stan Lee was like but we're saying drugs are bad and they're like

yeah but you can't say drugs or anything you can't mention drugs you can't say drugs or anything so he's like I'll just publish it anyway and see what happens. And then people are like, oh, this is a good story. It's weird that they would say you can't.

Drugs are good as well. That's what he said. That's what he said, yeah. I love him. That's right. He's dead. He got away with it. That's true.

Oh, my God. In a 2012 study, it was written that Werther manipulated, overstated, compromised, and fabricated evidence. Shockable. Especially that evidence he attributed to personal clinical research with young people for rhetorical gain so basically like he was basically like

I made the point first and then I'm going to tweak the evidence so it supports my point I think it did though to a point like you mentioned it did encourage creativity and a lot of the things that spun off from that still resonate the 50s,

sort of the late 50s through to the 60s were just a hotbed of weird stuff. I think it probably spurred on just a whole new generation of people going, we can't have just gangsters and shooting and murders. What else can we do? And Draculas. Yeah.

Fair enough. Let's have Green Arrow go to a planet where everybody's like 100 feet tall, but there's a 100-foot tall Green Arrow as well. Goodness. Bad, bad storyline. I've read it. It's no good.

It's no good? Let's talk about One More Day. Okay. The Spider-Man story? Yeah, so the devil, or Mephisto, or a version of the devil, who's to say, makes... I can say definitively he's not the devil.

No. But he tricks people into thinking he is. Because of I can say definitively he's not the devil. No. But he tricks people into thinking he is. Because of his big horns. Yeah, big horns, yeah. Yeah. I can see how people get confused. And his sort of pinkish face. Pinkish?

Pinkish. See, that's when I know that it wasn't on the level. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So basically Spider-Man and Mary Jane are forced to make a deal to erase their history together and they're no longer married. To save the life of Armay. It's not a bad comic. Very noble.

But, of course, the controversy behind it was you are erasing these characters' histories. But then you've got a single Peter Parker and that's cool, isn't it? I think they're back together in the comic book. They are. It took them so many years. It's whatever happened. Is it a good comic, though?

I think there's some touching moments in it because they share that last kind of night together and they're reminiscing as their memories are being wiped or something. I didn't like it. Okay. Maybe it isn't good. I think it sucks. Okay. You didn't think it was a touching homage? I thought it sucked. They're kissing and hugging. Sucked. I'm not against it. I don't care.

But the comic book industry generally seems to be massively against happy marriages. Have you noticed? Yeah. Well, so society, if you know what I mean. Yeah, that's right. One in three or whatever it is. That's right. Who knows?

So there you go. A few more people that should be divorced. Am I right? Jurassic Star. You've heard some things. Yeah, that's right. So do you want to talk about that, which is called one of the worst Spider-Man stories ever, whether or not this is true?

Probably. It's called Sin's Past. Do you know what this is? Okay, so that story. No. This is fun for me. I enjoy this. So that storyline basically was that it was revealed that in the past, Gwen Stacy, who was Peter Parker's girlfriend before Mary Jane.

Before he killed her. Who was supposed to be, you know, just an amazing young woman. Yeah. Turned out to have had an affair with Norman Osborn, the original Green Goblin. She had school at the time? Yeah, maybe, probably. Who then killed her later. Well, he killed her. Spider-Man didn't catch her properly, did he?

Well, maybe. Look, we can all apportion the blame. Let's give it to Gwen Stacy because she's dead and she can't defend herself. And she's not real. Yes. And basically they had an affair which resulted in Gwen Stacy giving birth to like evil Green Goblin children. Genetically altered. They grew really fast or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I guess she just returned to Peter Parker being like, what a weekend I've had anyway. Man, you wouldn't believe it. Yeah, right? And sort of besmirched the memory of that character. Yeah. People didn't like it. I didn't believe it. Yeah, right? And sort of besmirched the memory of that character. Yeah. People didn't like it. I didn't like it.

No, I just think it's interesting that you go back and you give depth to a somewhat nothing character. Okay. Because Gwen Stacy was defined by the fact that Spider-Man killed Eden Kelly. Yeah, now I know. Yeah. But it shouldn't have been this is what I'm going to say. Well, yeah, you can do a different story in which she has a cool backstory that's fun.

She rides a motorbike. Exactly. She's like, well, time to walk home, Peter Parker. I'll see you later. And then she gets the motorcycle out of the bushes. And then she's a motorcycle daredevil. That'd be fun. I think now, even though she's from a different dimension or whatever.

Oh, Spider-Gwen. Spider-Gwen is now what people know her for, I would say, more than the fact that she's dead. And Spider-Man killed her. And Spider-Man killed her. And Spider-Man killed her. Because whenever she rolls back in, they're always like, but you're dead. But then she'd be a robot or a clone or a ghost or whatever they used to do. But now she's back properly and a real character and a cool costume.

Hood. Good stuff. Great stuff. Do you want to talk about Green Lantern's girlfriend got stuffed in a fridge? Oh, boy. Is this still fun for you? Yeah. Oh, boy.

Yeah, so Kyle Rayner. Kyle Rayner. So what happened was in the 90s, this is post-Death of Superman. Yeah. So in the Death of Superman storyline, Coast City is destroyed, which is Hal Jordan's home city. It's the city he protects, Hal Jordan, the Green Lantern. And so he goes mad

as you might imagine because everybody he knows is dead yeah uh and he turns evil and he like kills a bunch of green lanterns and he goes out in space and he destroys the greenland power battery and what have you and then the last remaining green lantern ring is given to just a rando kyle rayner yeah and and and we see a little bit of his like suburban life he has a girlfriend named alex and he's just like two issues in the bad guys realize there's a new guy with the green lantern ring and they're like let's get him and so they go to his house well they send by him they mean the girl yeah so they go they send a they send like an enforcer to their house yeah who who kills her and stuffs her in a fridge basically.

And not even like just as a distraction, like a momentary distraction between issues basically. And it's coined the term fridging. Yeah. So Gail Simone, who we mentioned earlier, she coined that. And I think she mentioned that and people were like, come on. It became an example of like you you create a character solely for the heartbreaker yeah to kill them so that the hero has a has a

someone to cry about it's someone to cry about and a motivation motivation to become a better hero whatever and people like you come on it's not as cold as you'd think and then she came up with like 90 examples of like yeah it happens all the time so yeah it's a bit of it's a real cheap device so now when people use it there is that kind of like can you do something better than this yeah right i think it's good so i think ultimately that ended up being a good thing yeah i mean you know narratively i guess there's nothing wrong with i mean there probably is there's this easy way but like you know if you kill a if you kill a beloved character as motivation or you you know, in an important. Yeah, there's ways to do it.

There's ways to do it. But it's, you know, it's if, you know, if Lois Lane is killed or, you know, Tony Stark is killed, which would encourage people to be more heroic. More Iron Mans. More Iron Mans. That's, you know, because we've had enough time with those characters. We've actually... Not just like two issues. We have a personal bond with those characters, not just two issues of like,

hey, I'm off to do some crime fighting. I'll see you later. How did Green Lantern, the original guy, not the original original, you know what I mean? Hal Jordan. How did he come back from being evil? It turned out he wasn't really evil. It was a space bug.

I knew it. His ear? Did it go in his ear? It might have gone in his ear, yeah. But so when he became't really evil. It was a space bug. I knew it. His ear? Did it go in his ear? It might have gone in his ear, yeah. But so when he became evil, he took the name Parallax. So he took all the Greenland. Is that the first Parallax? Yes.

Really? So he took all the Greenland. Big face. Oh, in the movie. In the movie. Okay, so this is pre the movie. Yes. Basically he turned into, he had all the Greenland energy,

so he's sort of omnipotent. And then he was like, I'm going off to space, and then he wanted to eventually use his powers to bring Coast City back. But then it turned out, you know, all of the ends justify the means, and he was too evil and blah, blah, blah. Yes. And, you know, it was kind of, I think it was initially meant to be, okay, well, we're done with Hal Jordan,

and we want the new guy to be the new. But people didn't seem, people really didn't like Kyle Rayner initially. And I think they were like, well, people like Hal Jordan. Let's bring Hal Jordan back. So what can we do? Let's say he wasn't evil and he wasn't driven mad. It was a space bug, Parallax, which is a yellow space bug. That's why Greenland Rings don't look like it's yellow.

Wait, didn't that work prior? Was that a thing prior to that, though? Yes, it was, but they retconned it. Yeah, great. Cool, this is all good. It's good stuff, right? It's comic books. You know what I mean?

I think I've got one more here. I'm ready to hear about it. But, of course, if you have any more, Mason, just yell them at me. Okay. The death of Jason Todd. Yeah. I think I remember when we talked about in the past that I thought they were going to kill him anyway. Like, they were just going to do it regardless.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But apparently but apparently the official the vote so you'd write in and you'd call in call in sorry and you got they got like ten and a half thousand votes and it was a 72 vote margin for death oh and so for people who don't know jason todd was the second robin so dick grayson stole the wheels off the bat yeah dick grayson was the one the original classic robin he's the one in the tv series he's ch Grayson He stole the wheels off the Batmobile Yeah, Dick Grayson was the one, the original classic Robin He's the one in the TV series, he's Chris O'Donnell Obviously in the Batman movies You all know that though, you know Chris O'Donnell Then he moved on and he was replaced by Jason Todd

Who was less of a goody two-shoes and kind of like a more rebellious More of a goody poo-shoes Thank you, and people didn't like him as much Because he was different Because he was different, but not even that different, to be honest. No. Like his origin originally was exactly the same. He was a circus acrobat.

His parents were killed. Wow. How did they come up with that? I don't know. But then they, when Crisis on Infinite Earths happened, which we mentioned earlier. Yes. They changed his origin.

So he was like a street, orphan street tough. Street dog, cool kid. Yeah. Yeah. And so because people didn't like him, they were like, well, we'll make this story called the death in the family in which at the end,

uh, there'll be a sort of a cliffhanger. Does he live or does he die? Call this number to determine whether he will live or die or not. And in the, the trade paperback that the, the one I have for death in the family, there's like a little editorial note at the front and And whoever was in, the editor involved in that said,

I have two copies of the next issue in my drawer, one in which he lives and one in which he dies. And then he had to go with the one in which he dies. But I've never seen the other one. So I don't know if that really exists. So did he say he had it or did he show? No, he doesn't show. It's in text form.

He's just like, yeah, I had two copies in the drawer. And I'm like, did you? Did you though? He said he did. You're asking me. I don'm like, did you? Did you though? He said he did. You're asking me. I don't know. Did you? Do you think you did?

It seems weird that if it did exist, we haven't seen it at all. Surely it would be in. It would be worth a lot. It would be in the trade at this point. It would be in the new version. They'd be like, here's the issue when he lives. Skip to this version if you want a happy ending. It would be a guy on Twitter would be like, look what I have.

That's true. Yes. I bought this desk from DC many years ago. This is in it. But, of course, Jason Todd didn't stay dead because nobody does. He stayed dead for a really long time. He did. More than most people do.

Yeah, that's true. Up until Red Hood. Yeah. Which is a good story. So I think, again, I don't have a problem with killing Jason Todd. I just think it was, you know, again, it was a controversial thing at the time. But I think the Red Hood story that spun off with it and then that character and how it's informed, like,

I think the animated movie is, like, maybe my favourite animated movie. And he's, of course, in the Arkham Knight game. That's true. Because, spoiler alert, he's in Arkham Knight. Also, it might have been that point also when they were kind of trying and phasing out, like, it was a point where they're like, well, Batman should be a loner. And he's more kind of like you know because remember in the movie he's a loner you know in the 89 he's alone so we gotta and robin's too colorful and blah blah blah

so they you know they turfed him and good probably or bad yeah whatever you think do you think batman has too many bat families i like his bat family but every now and then he's like, it's just me. I don't want any help from anybody. But then there's like 80 people be like, what are you paying us for then? You're paying us a lot of money. Yeah. Well, there's obviously more. But that's my list that I've got.

You've got a good list. Thank you. If you've got any, tweet at us. Tweet at us your favourite controversial comic book decision. If you do have that copy of Death in the Family where Jason Todd lives,

yeah, send it to us. There's only one copy in the world. Send it to us. Yeah, we want it. We want it. I want it specifically. Okay, James wants it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, do you know what it's time for? Is it time for what we're reading? What are we going to read? Yes. I'm doing a thing. James, what have you been reading? I can't think of a darn thing that I've been reading. Well, I've got a couple of things.

I was in Ballarat. The new season of The Chef Show is up. Yes, it is. I have not read that yet. I haven't finished the first season, but I was in Ballarat for the weekend for a birthday. So you were reading Ballarat street signs? Well, I was outside of Ballarat and I didn't have any reception,

so I couldn't access any internet, which turns out is still terrible. I thought maybe this is good for me, but I'm like, actually, you know what, I don't like this at all. I don't like it at all, yeah. I'm cutting off one of my arms. I did sit outside in the bush with a cup of tea and I went, yeah, this is all right for a minute, sure. But what am I going to watch when I go back inside?

Yeah, what am I going to do? Read these tea leaves? Anyway, I watched. What am I, Nostradamus? I watched local wind TV, which is nine. And I watched Crocodile Dundee 2 because it was the only thing on that was tolerable. Which one's Crocodile Dundee 2? The one where he starts in New York, but then there's gangsters.

So he lures them to the outback and then beats them up. Probably could have done that in America. No, because he had all his outback shit out there. Oh, good point. What I love about all his deadly traps. The Crocodile Dundee movies are, they're such massive vanity projects for Paul Oden. Yeah, for sure.

The first one and second one, people hate the second one, but I think they're both about the same in terms of quality. Wow, this is a real Jurassic World situation. But the third one is atrocious, the one where he goes to Los Angeles and whatever. But it's just, I mean, what do you say about Crocodile Dundee too, Mason? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

You should say more things about it. What's the highlight? Is there an exact parallel to that's not a knife this is not? There's a bit where a guy's like, what are your odds of getting out of here with that jacket? And he throws the knife and it goes into the guy's mohawk. And he's like, yeah, better than average. I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What's better, Crocodile Dundee 2 or Reckless Kelly? I haven't seen Reckless Kelly in a hundred years. Do people know about Yahoo Serious? There's your action item. Who in America remembers Yahoo Serious? What's he up to these days? I think he quit the business. Because he did Mr. Accident in the early 2000s.

Yahoo Serious was this guy and he created these weird like. Parody characters? Historical anachronism. He's 66. Wow. He created these weird historical anachronism movies Young Einstein Yep

Where he was like a guy from Tasmania Who invented rock and roll Yep And then he went to an insane asylum Yep And he got elected He split an atom with a chisel and hammer Oh that's right yeah

And invented rock and roll And invented rock and roll And then he was Reckless Kelly Who was like a descendant Of the original Ned Kelly Yep But again he goes to LA Goes to LA To be in movies

Yeah With a trash can on his head And then which is also The plot of Crocodile Dundee 3 Yeah And then he was in Mr. Accident Which nobody's seen Yeah which is in the year 2000

There you go Wow Yeah so good on him Reckless Kelly Anyway I'm going to watch Reckless Kelly No you're not That's not true

This week I watched Hugo Weaving's in it Is he? He's the villain. He's the English villain. Nice. Because he sells Reckless Kelly's Island to the Japanese and they try to tow it away or something.

Oh, okay, right, right. Okay. Australian cinema, folks. Yeah. People wonder why the Australian entertainment industry is dying. It's never been good. No. No, there's some gems in there.

Well, look, a couple of previews for upcoming Caravans of Garbage. I did watch Disney's Mulan this week. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm very interested to know what you think about that. Oh, look, Disney's Mulan, I watched that. I watched Star Trek, see if you can guess which one it is. It's coming up.

And A Quiet Place. Yes. Oh, yeah. What do you think of A Quiet Place? Still good. Still good. I mean, there's some- It's near the Yes. Oh, yeah. What do you think of A Quiet Place? Still good. Still good. I mean, there's some... Live near the waterfall.

Well, exactly. Why didn't the bloody... Why didn't the government figure out they're vulnerable to sound? Exactly. I don't know. We'll talk about it. Yeah. But not now.

There's no time. Why didn't they make the whole house out of a black box? Exactly. Anyway, that's cool. What do you think? Oh, I'm probably going to read Machine Man 2020. Oh, yeah, it's bad. Because it's the year 2020.

Because originally Machine Man, when he was a serious action Marvel character, he was teleported into the far-flung future of 2020 and he had some serious adventures. But now he's just a chainsaw-wielding lunatic. He's mostly just trolling people on Twitter, Ash. Yeah, I think so, yeah. He was also in that Marvel Zombies one where he killed all the zombies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That might be my favourite Marvel Zombies. Yeah, right. Yeah. It's basically an issue where he just goes into the Marvel Zombies universe and kills everybody. Yeah. Pretty good, so I'll probably read that. And I should also read Iron Man 2020, which I haven't read yet. I also haven't read that. Let's do it together. Isn't it non-Iron? Page by page. It's a different tone of stuff. It's Arno Stark. Yeah, that's right. Do I have to read Iron Man 2020, which I haven't read yet. I also haven't read that. Let's do it together.

Isn't it non-Iron? Page by page. It's a different tone. It's Arno Stark. Yeah, that's right. Do I have to read all the other shit? No, it'll be fine. It'll be a recap page.

Great. Don't even worry about it. Also, it's the first issue of Tom Taylor and Carl Mossert's Deceased Unkillables. So it's the villains who get the it's Marvel zombies but DC zombies yes exactly right and it's set parallel to the other story which just finished up

and it's focused on a bunch of DC villains and it's still good it's a good comic oh there's a also there's a comic book called Tartarus

that I was going to read this week which I will don't know anything about it I know it's sci-fi and apparently it's really good Tartarus Tartarus I think is what it's called

write that down yeah she should I like sci-fi comics alright then you know we have to do the letters anyway let me just double check that Tartarus Tartarus

Tartarus Tartarus I like Fartarus alright steady on steady on buddy come on mate it's a god or something Greek mythology god

it might be it's an image comic yes oh it's with a sci-fi drama of breaking but all the drama of

breaking bad set in Mos Eisley oh okay then well good on me for finding a great great series to

start great thank you come up with that by yourself I probably didn't I think I saw it on

the serious issues Facebook group so that's probably why anyway should we do another segment

we should what do you think it should be I think it should be letters I agree

the classic one was letters of letters we love you Very good. So that's probably why. Anyway, should we do another segment? We should. What do you think it should be? I think it should be Letters. I agree. The classic one was Letters, oh Letters, we love you. Some letters, they're only a day away. I know they're here right now. We're going to do Letters. This better be a very long comic that I just bought because it's six bucks. Which one? Tartarus. Oh, you bought it?

Okay, cool. I just bought it. Let me know what it's like. Oh, well, I thought you were reading it. I thought we were going to read it together. We'll read it together. We'll read it page by page. Honestly, I don't mind how long it is.

If it's good, I don't care. Nice. Yeah. Letters. It's letters. It's letters, right? Of course, if you do want to reach the show, hashtag WeeklyPlanetPod on Twitter. Or WeeklyPlanetPod at gmail.com.

Also, I should have mentioned this before, but I'm trying to do more Patreon stuff. Patreon.com slash MrSundayMovies if you want to contribute to topics in Caravan of Garbages, et cetera, and so forth. Yeah. What have you got? Or what have I got? trying to do more Patreon stuff, patreon.com slash MrSundayMovies if you want to contribute to topics in Caravan of Garbages, etc. and so forth. Ah, yeah. What have you got? Or what have I got? Well, look, we have a lot of opinions on Olive Garden.

I cannot possibly go through all of them. We mentioned Olive Garden last week because we're unfamiliar with the franchise that is Olive Garden, but we got it. It ran the gamut. This is Sean Mackey. He says, Olive Garden is to Italian food as Taco Bell is to Mexican food. Nothing like the real thing, but great if you hate your body. Their breadsticks are lit. I've heard about that.

I think that's just then to get you filled up on bread. Yeah, for sure. 100%. You sons of bitches. Yeah. I'm just going to check real quick to see how many emails we got about Olive Garden. I know we got many a tweet. A lot of people are just like, it's not very good,

but you can just eat it if you want to eat it. We've got 10 emails. That's pretty good. And a lot of tweets. Yes. This is Ian Hornbaker. Just ate at Olive Garden, dot, dot, dot. It sucks.

He says, right after my wife and I left Olive Garden, I put on your podcast in the segment where you talked about Sonic and Olive Garden came on. I've been to Olive Garden on numerous occasions. I know I'm in the minority, but I dread whenever we go to Olive Garden. We only went this time because my wife got a gift card. I was going to say, why go? I guess it might be.

We used to have probably the sanity gift card. The gift that no one wants. Yeah, like there's a certain thing. I feel every society's a certain every i feel every society has a certain gift thing yeah that if you don't know anything anything about somebody just go here's here's this and in australia for a long time it was sanity which is a was a music shop it was like overpriced and quite generic yeah uh but you just buy somebody a sanity voucher yeah that's true and it was enough it was always it's always enough to buy

like one album. Yeah. Or not, or slightly under what you need. We only went this time because my wife got a gift card. It absolutely sucks. Even after the 25 gift card, we still spent way more than I would have on that meal. Don't waste your time.

No problem. Wasn't gonna, but that's confirmed all my suspicions. I've done the endless pasture on one occasion. I ended up eating three bowls. I was stuffed, but still didn't feel like I got my money's worth. So that's a... If it's not good. Yeah. That's because they fill you up on breadsticks before your meal.

I knew it. Sizzler do the same thing with their bread, their cheesy bread. I've got a friend who goes to, when he does the all-you-can-eat stuff, he works out exactly what the most expensive thing is and he eats exclusively that amount of thing until it covers the cost of how much he paid. And the petrol to get there. Yeah, and then he'll go and eat other things.

I'm like, but don't you just want to eat the things that you like? It's a weird grift. This is from Derek. I think he mentioned this off air earlier. Paul Rudd's chubby hands. I saw that title. I didn't see the title. After re-watching Endgame,

I've realised how chubby Paul Rudd's hands are, and it is bothering me. I mean, look the title. After re-watching Endgame, I've realised how chubby Paul Rudd's hands are. And it is bothering me. I mean, look at that fat oven mitten of a hand. Anyway, do you guys have any hot tips regarding hand shrinking so I can harass him on Twitter about it? I don't think he's on Twitter. No, he wouldn't be. Yeah, I think he's one of those guys who's not on social media.

But look, anything to denigrate the too good Paul Rudd. Do you know what I mean? He's got too much. I don't know about this. Yeah. Maybe it's a certain angle. Look, I don't know. You're going to have to check it out.

Yeah. I know Desmond Llewellyn from the James Bonding podcast, they're constantly referencing how huge and inflatable his hands look. Oh, really? Okay, yeah. It's a great podcast. I've got a tweet here from Papa Kulak. Yes.

Hashtag weeklyplanetpod. What do you boys think about Spaceballs? Need a commentary. I've seen it once and I thought it was fine. I loved it at the time. I had the novelisation of Spaceballs. I bet those jokes really translated. I don't know.

I've got no idea. I haven't seen it since I was 10 probably. I think I saw it in like 97, so it was well after, and I'm like, I'm not. It's got Rick Moranis in it. I know. It's coming back. It's coming back, which is cool.

Yeah, I mean, you know, I think I also saw it after Independence Day, so I'm like, that's the president from Independence Day. Oh, yeah, right. It's good cast, and John Candy's in it. Yeah, there's good jokes in there, though, isn't there? I like the fact that they're filming it and then they're in the thing. They're in the giant vacuum. Yeah, yeah.

Combing the desert. I don't know. Look, I have no idea. Maybe we could do it for a caravan of garbage. Maybe, yeah. Parody films are very hit and miss. But I feel he's pretty good in general, I would say. Mel Brooks.

Yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah, do you agree? yes sure yeah do you agree the master of the genre yeah he's pretty pretty good i don't know you agree with that yeah but i also feel like those do exist in that sort of zucker brothers era of comedy where it's like totally hey we're combing the desert for those droids and it cuts to the stormtroopers and they've literally got a giant comb or whatever and you're like i get it like it's i think like you're in the frame of mind to enjoy that. It's going to be like your medical hospital, whatever that shows medical police. That kind of covers that kind of for sure.

Yeah. Yeah. And, um, Angie Tribeca. I was just thinking Angie Tribeca. Yeah. With,

uh, with what's her face. Angie Tribeca. Rashida Jones. Yes. Correct. Here's a question. I'm ready.

It's from Jim Saxon. It just says, has the last Jedi aged well? Yeah. I think it's since the. I'm ready. It's from Jim Saxon. It just says, has The Last Jedi aged well? Yeah. I think it's since the last one. Yeah. A lot of people even who didn't like it, and this is probably a generalisation, are like,

well, I still don't like it, but at least it... It wasn't The Rise of Skywalker, right? Uh-huh. So I think it looks better in comparison. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, a lot of people don't like it, and that's fine. I feel like most people... I say, I feel like most people I say

I feel like most people have stopped talking about the rise of Skywalker but then occasionally like in that that sort of search tab in Twitter

like I'll check that and I always scroll past and there's like Star Wars there's people the Ray Lowe's all these people constantly just

they're going to argue about this stuff for the rest of their lives and I say good on them I say good on them have a good fun hobby that's what I say. You got another email there?

Yeah, this is from Jordan. Hello, Jordan. I figure you guys have heard of it, but have you ever seen the 2005 Man Thing telemovie or heard about the decision to change from its initial plans to be released in theatres to be released as a sci-fi original because of Marvel's poor financial performance and it being reportedly so bad that test audiences left before it was over?

I didn't know about this at all. I've i know what it is i've never seen it yeah okay yeah um you can get it it's out there i bet it is yeah what an odd choice from 2005 i guess whatever you got yeah this is yeah this is pre this is pre marvel renaissance this is pre iron man so i guess they were like we are really running thin on characters. $30 million budget. That's decent. It's not nothing. Yeah. But it made $1.1 million. Oh, boy.

Oh, no. It's an Australian-American horror film. Oh, who's in it? Richard Roxburgh? No, but it's produced by Avi Arad. Okay. Because, you know. Yeah, Marvel.

Marvel back in the day. I don't know any of them. Rachel Taylor, there's a name I know. Jack Thompson. Oh, Rachel Taylor's in Jessica Jones. Yes, she is. She's Wildcat. Wildcat, yeah.

Wildcat? A cat. One of the cats. Alex O'Loughlin, I know him. Personally? No. Yeah, you know Jack Thompson, obviously. Yeah, yeah, of course.

He was in Broken Arrow. And he was also in that porn magazine or whatever. Playgirl. He was in Playgirl. He was in Playgirl. Or was it Clio? That porn magazine. I think it was Clio. I don't know. I actually have no magazine or whatever. Playgirl. He was in Playgirl. Or was it Cleo? That porn magazine. I don't know.

I actually have no idea. Cool. Great stuff. Yeah, we could probably look at that at some point. We've got an endless list of things to go to. That's true. I've got one more here, or do I? No, I don't.

That's it. Oh, there you go. Do you have any more? No, I've got one more. This is from Helen Dryer. Oh, no, I do have one more. Okay. This is You Are All The Goats.

Yay! This is Hello James and Mesa from washington dc just wanted to email and say that i appreciate all the work you guys do with this podcast and with the mr sunday movies channel and all the outreach outreach that you and claire do i nearly said outrage we've got some outrage but all the outreach that you and claire do and mostly the listeners because i think that thing didn't go out this week as well i think they're still oh the chat yeah yeah we'll figure it out yeah why we don't mean them and they'll figure it out. By we, I mean them. They'll figure it out.

Their problem. They said they could do it. She says, you all have no idea how helpful your podcast is to me and everything I've gone through in the past year. Well, you're welcome.

Sorry to hear that. And thank you. Yeah, you know, I hope you're doing great now. So that's good. I listen to your podcast in the morning before class and work. I work part-time

as an animal hospital as a tech and an assistant. Cool. There you go. Very good. Yeah. That's a very kind email. I think so tootime as an animal hospital as a tech and an assistant. Cool. There you go. Yes. Very good. Yeah. I think it's a very kind email.

Yeah, I think so too. Mason, this is a question directed for both of us from Jan the War Boy on Twitter. It says, Sincerely, Helena. It says, Helen in the top.

Don't know what to believe. What do we do? Yeah, I don't know. What do we do? I'll just edit it out. Just quit the podcast. No, we'll just quit the podcast. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right. Let's leave it at that. Jan the War Boy says, Do you guys play any fighting games? Tekken got brought up last week and I got excited. Cheers. Big ears. Yeah, I played a little bit of Tekken.

I bought one of the Tekken games on PSP. Which one? Who's to say? Whatever one was on that. Probably Tekken Tag Tournament. Yes, I remember Tekken from the 90s. I'm like, oh my God, 3D environments and whatever. Do a big up kick and then you bring your foot down or whatever.

Look, I've played most of the fighting game franchises, but I'm sure I'm many games behind. I started on Street Fighter 2. What's your jam though? What's the one that you kind of mesh with? Because I feel like I've never got the rhythm of Street Fighter. Okay, look, I think ultimately when I still played video games and arcades, my favorite franchise was probably the Marvel Capcom game. Yeah, right.

I've seen you play that. Yeah, because there was X-Men versus Street Fighter and Marvel versus Capcom. But they've gotten, I don't know, they've sort of moved away from like the Street Fighter Alpha cartoony version to this weird rotoscoped kind of thing thing and i don't like it kind of yeah yeah and i don't know i i do you prefer like the 2d sprites yeah kind of yeah okay but i don't know get a bit of they still make games like that yeah and they released marvel versus capcom

infinite a couple years ago which i think was and i mean it's great to see it's always great to see new especially marvel characters characters in those games. You just be like, oh, Doctor Strange, what's he all about in this? Oh, lasers, okay, cool. I got the Marvel Ultimate Capcom something, whatever, on beta. I played that for a little bit and I'm like, there's a lot of big lasers in this. Oh, boy.

But I don't think I ever, I didn't play it that much. But I more gel with the Mortal Kombat Injustice style. Yeah, right. Also, I really like Dragon Ball Z Budokai 3. I remember that one it that much. But I more gel with the Mortal Kombat Injustice style. Yeah, right. I also really like Dragon Ball Z Budokai 3. I remember that one. I'm really very specifically good at that game. But not the new one. No, I like the new one.

No, not the new, new one where it's also in a 3D RPG. There was one before that which I quite liked. But that one in particular, you remember I played like that to death. Yes. We broke a couple of controllers. I broke two of your controllers, I think, with that game, particular you remember I played like that to death yes we broke a couple of controllers I broke two of your controllers I think with that game yeah

you owe me money I know that's a great game and they're vintage now this is going to be really difficult I like the Mortal Kombat games as well

but I have not played 11 yet I'm kind of waiting I'm waiting for the definitive the Platinum Edition Game of the Year Edition whatever I know I'll get it I'm not

I don't want to download extra stuff. Just give me the Terminator on a disc. It's fine. Exactly. And that, I believe, is as they say. Yes, yes. Who's they? Oh!

Us. That's what we say. Bring us to the end of the show. James. Yeah? I'm going to say some things for the end of the show. No. Oh, my God.

He pushed it so willy-nilly. You didn't know what that was going to do, and he pushed it. It could have been the self-destruct button. It could have been an eject button where we all get shot out of the room. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, most of this shit does on this thing. I know what this does.

Oh, that's not surprising. Hey! That one makes music. Wow. Did you program that in, or was that? Of course I didn't. There's a laugh track on here music. Wow. Did you program that in or was that? Of course I didn't. There's a laugh track on there somewhere. Anyway, yeah.

That's good. What do you got? That was good because it was like the audience were laughing at the idea there'd be a laugh track. That was quite fun. Thank you. And thank you everybody for listening and subscribing and telling a friend and giving us a nice review if you have a chance.

James, do you have a nice review on there somewhere? We've got a couple here. We mentioned last week that you've got a friend to shout out or insult. We'll do it. This is from Handsome Fox with sweet lips, which seems to become a recurring thing. That was one I read. Did you see that picture of that handsome fox?

Yeah, I did, yeah. My goodness. So it says, review about a great friend. Blurkfartplus is a real friend of mine, and I mean a real life one, great guy, real great. And this is from Flips McGee, who says, real good stuff needs more flips. These are both five stars. Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?

But I say, Flips McGee, why do you want the competition? Well, this is actually directed specifically at you. By the way, you can just do this in-app. It really helps the show. Been listening for years, not sure how these guys have been doing basically the same thing for years and still making me laugh out loud. Yeah, fair point. Only thing to make it better is if Maso could do a flip.

Brackets. I'm pretty sure he can't. All right, here we go. You ready for this? I'm ready. Okay. All right. Bearing in mind, I'm going to do a really funny flip.

So when I achieve the flip, everybody in the room is going to laugh. Okay, cool. Hup! Cheers, Mason. It went beyond laughter. Wow. There you go. Good bit.

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However, the gentleman responsible is, I believe, having some surgery recently. So there might be some delay there. Yes. But if you order him, he'll make them. Yeah, that's right. Unless he dies. Well, but I say best of luck to him. Yeah, me too.

No, I don't think he's going to die. I'm saying if they don't get to you, it's because he's dead. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. 100%. But anyway, best of luck to him. I'm sure he's going to pull through. I think he's going to be great.

Me too. Yes. And that's the whole show, I reckon. Next week, Invisible Man. Guess who didn't get a chance to interview lee winnell this time either of us too good for the for this podcast now wow i think i can tell you who the new bloody invisible man is to us it's lee winnell correct he's not there in the room yeah he gets stuffed as far as i'm concerned that being said uh i'm really looking forward

to this genuinely yeah me too and don't watch any of the trailers if you haven't that's right just watch the invisible, the movie. Yeah. So we'll be back to talk the new dark universe. Oh, this is it for sure. Kicking off. 100%. And of course, we're doing the third Mummy.

That's wrapping up this week, isn't it? Just give us a low-budget dark universe. That's what? It's The Invisible Man. Maybe this is what it is. How about low-budget Frankenstein? Yeah. Just a guy in a Frankenstein mask and he's a murderer.

Yeah, that's cool. It's just a bunch of murderers hanging out. And when Robert De Niro was Frankenstein, he was a monster. Because, you know, you've got to say that. No. Kenneth Branagh did a version in the early 90s. Oh. Yeah.

Wow. Remember when Jack Nicholson was a wolfman? Barely. Barely, I know. Anyway, that's the show, I reckon. That's the show. Grab that show from you guys. We'll see you next week.

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