The Weekly Planet - 330 Movie Castings That Nearly Happened

Episode Date: April 13, 2020

Help support the show at https://patreon.com/mrsundaymovies for early videos, choosing topics and more!Big news hot topics! First off, bad news for Ezra Miller. But then good news in a Robin Hood remake! Also a Thor: Love & Thunder update, Shang-Chi casting plus more movies coming to Disney+. Also we get into some casting that very nearly very much happened but ultimately didn’t. Pointless really. Anyways thanks for listening!Michael Shanks!: https://youtu.be/SbE16LQK6RQSuggestible Podcast: https://aca.st/cf053a0:00 The Start5:19 Ezra Miller troubles9:40 Robin Hood remake13:50 Thor 4 update16:53 Shang-Chi casting19:04More films to Disney+22:48 Bond in the can25:30 Actors Who Nearly Got Roles1:08:01 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read1:19:11 Letters It’s Time For LettersJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesTWP Itunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 TWP Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanet TWP YouTube Channel ► https://goo.gl/1ZQFGH Amazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2QbmwGjT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Visit heartandstroke.ca. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Welcome back everyone to another episode of the Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. My name is James, also known as Nick Mason. With me as always is my co-host, Nick Mason. Wait, you're also known as Nick Mason? We're both Nick Mason this week in the spirit of Easter.

Are you stealing my identity? Is that what's happening here? Yes. Why? I was going to edge it. Why? Why would you want it? I don't know.

Just mixing it up. It's in the spirit of Easter, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, Jesus did run a heist on on the roman empire i guess exactly and then when they went to find him he wasn't in the tomb that's right he'd already made away with all the gold or whatever he did and in the tomb just a bunch of porno books like in oceans 11 they're like what's going on here what's going on anyways of course my real name is mr sunday which is not my real name. Oh. But I'm also known as James, which is my real name.

That is true. Or is it? I mean, it might not be, but it is. All right, first of all, how's your mental health this week, James? I'm good, Mason. I'm not going to... Look, I'm all right. In all honesty, Claire's 100 years pregnant and is due in the next few weeks.

That's true. It's very difficult being super pregnant, and we also have a four-year-old and also doing this job. And also we're all locked up together. And you're dealing with a man with the mental state of a four-year-old, which is me. Exactly. Which is why I'm going to steal your identity. People don't know this, but any number of times you have to pause the podcast and start again because I see something shiny or like some keys rattle or like some blocks.

Yeah, his block tower will fall over and he cries. That's right. I just wanted to quickly mention up top that I did an interview with Michael Shanks, not the guy from Stargate. I wish. Wow. He plays the James Spader character, I think. No, he's the nerd, I think.

Which was the James Spader character, wasn't he? Oh, he was, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't know anything about Stargate. I saw him get interviewed once at a comic convention. Like in real life? Yeah, in real life. Because he's that guy who's like, he's just an actor. I mean, he's not just an actor.

They're the greatest heroes we have. I think he is just an actor. But he was very funny and charming, and people would ask him questions about, you know, what are some pranks people played on set, and what was your favorite episode to record, and blah, blah, blah. And then some guy came up with like a really elaborate lore. Because, you know, the Stargate lore involves like gods and space and time. blah, blah. And then some guy came up with like a really elaborate law. Because, you know, the Stargate law involves like gods and space and time

and whatever. And he just asked this very, very long two or three solid minute question. Oh, wow. And then Michael Shanks was like, yeah, cool. Cool, man. Great is the answer to that. I don't know. Anyway, this is the Michael Shanks.

Did people laugh? Yeah, they did. That poor guy. That poor guy. It was me. It was you. Yeah. Anyway, the other Michael Shanks who people might know from a number of things.

I always mention this up top because everybody's seen it, but he did the Force Awakens George Lucas special edition trailer. He did. That's right. Yeah. Millions and millions of views. But other lesser known things, he's done an Auntie Donna sketch. Yes, which is incredibly funny.

Yeah, so he does a lot of visual effects and stuff like that. He also did... Time Trap is an amazing short film about an alien and time travel. He also did a mini-series on TV called The Wizards of Oz. Yes, it's about wizards. It's about wizards who live in Australia. Yeah, that's rightards who live in Australia. Yeah, that's right, or come to Australia.

And anyway, his latest short is rebooted. It stars a... It's called Rebooted. It's called Rebooted, sorry, yes. They haven't rebooted it before it came out. It's an out-of-date stop-motion effect, as in a skeleton, which they actually stop-motioned, comped into the real world, and it looks incredible. He's like a Ray Harryhausen,

Clash of the Titans kind of skeleton. And so I basically talked to him about how his career got started because he started on The Escapist when he was 17, mate. He got a job there and then how his career has progressed and how he's kind of making waves in Hollywood

and all those kinds of things. And now he does all these special effects and music. It's up now. It's fascinating. So I recommend seeing him. You also started on The Escapist. I did have like a, no, I had like a,

I mean, in the sense that you saw a guy doing some videos on it and you're like oh i could do that oh yeah that's no they did interview me once for something i was a highlight for them they didn't pay me for a year to do a web series oh yeah that's also true because i don't know if you know this about me and michael shanks well all the michael shanks's are more talented than me even though one of them's just an actor oh wow but that's still better than any regular man that's what it? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I recently re-watched the skeleton fight in Clash of the Titans. It's good. It's amazing for the time.

It really is. It's astounding. I also did a video on it, sort of, or touched on it, about green screen and whatever. You probably didn't see it. But that's neither here nor there. So there's a video version, which is about 25, 26 minutes, with images of the things that we're talking about.

Then there's an extended version where we talk more about funding and it's just kind of the whole thing's a little bit more fleshed out, which is on the podcast feed and also on the Weekly Fund at YouTube channel. So well worth a look, I think. But hey, it's totally up to you. Here's something that's not worth a look. Did you ask him all the tough questions? I couldn't stop just hammering with questions.

He was crying at the end. I was crying. It was crazy. It was really emotional for both of us.'s really great yeah so you really yeah he really didn't enjoy it neither did i but it's out there you know well people will enjoy your pain so that's that's good exactly now what what what isn't emotional james i'm segwaying back in is that what i said no i don't know i can't remember anyway ezra miller was filmed uh choking a person oh yeah that's quite emotional so uh this was confirmed by variety that it was at a bar and he was agitated and the fans

were kind of a little bit pushy. And at the end of it, he ended up on video choking a woman and kind of pushing her to the ground. And there was this sense of like, is this a joke? Is this a bit? Apparently not. Apparently it's a thing that happened and is out there. Yeah, wow.

So look, like with this and the amber herd situation with johnny depp which we talked about when that took a turn where it turns out that it was it seems like it was her responsible for a lot of the basically the whole thing was a lie the the things that she accused him of i don't really want to get into this every week you know because i don't want to run in commentary and then the facts change the facts change yeah and i don't want this to become like, in an update to this horrible story. We apologise, but we'd like to retract our apology. But we are prepared to apologise again next week.

Because we have made the mistake of jumping the gun, and in particular that Johnny Depp thing I'm talking about. And I don't really want to fall into something like that again. Also, this is not what I really want this show to be about, like celebrity horrible gossip. Celebrity hard talk. That's right. That's what it is.

This show is exclusively for making Michael Shanks cry and that's it. That's our bread and butter. That's right. So, I mean, if there's a massive update, like, you know, they recast or whatever, of course we're going to come back to it. But yeah, that's kind of where we're at with that.

I don't, I only really saw like a clip that was maybe 10 or 20 seconds. That's it. That's it, right. So evidently or apparently there was more it that's it right so so evidently or apparently there was more to that yes right okay yeah so look it doesn't look good does it obviously no it doesn't yeah but also if maybe maybe you don't want fans to come up to you and accost you maybe don't dress in the same color as your most famous character on the silver screen

sure the guy from grindelwaldwald exactly yeah don't have that haircut don't have that haircut so anyway I don't know what that means for the future of him probably bad I'd imagine so we'll just kind of see how that develops when it does or if it just or just fades away which it also does like currently Chris Brown is just out there in the world but also and look and now if if anything, like there's, there's, you know, celebrities could just,

just disappear. Yeah, exactly. The very concept of celebrities. I mean, they're better than us, but you know, especially better at disappearing. Yes,

that's right. Yeah. Especially ones who are magicians also part time. Yeah. I watched the David Copperfield, like he goes through his greatest things that he does,

magic things. Magic things, sure. It was really fascinating because I always thought like, I don't like this guy with his stupid hair and his stupid shirts and whatever yeah you know and he's he's like i love this guy and his stupid face yeah pretty much yeah and i was it was just really fascinating and i'm like this guy seems all right so i feel like a lot of his greatest or his most famous tricks though we're in the 80s we're in

the 80s and also we're just camera tricks it It's like, I'm going to make the Statue of Liberty disappear. Yeah. Now let's all move over here. Nobody look. Move the camera and then we'll move it back. I think one of the times, and it might have been the Statue of Liberty, it might have been the time he disappeared that plane, where all the people around it, or it was another thing, were blindfolded.

And I'm like, well, this isn't anything, is it? Do you know what I mean? Sure. It's like if you're there and you're blindfolded. They're like, for the sake of realism, we're using real people, but they're blindfolded. What? Now, we're going to make the Statue of Liberty disappear,

and as a result, you'll feel a gust from the East Bay. Do you feel it, blindfolded people? My God, he is magic. How does he do it? I don't know. Tricks. Oh, it's tricks, yeah. It's a bunch of tricks is what it is, he is magic. How does he do it? I don't know. Tricks. Oh, it's tricks, yeah. It's a bunch of tricks is what it is, yeah, ultimately.

Don't get me wrong. I love magicians. It's weird how people are like, it's fake. Yeah, it's all fake. Magic isn't real, you fucking idiot. Wow. It's a trick. You'll say anything.

I will, won't I? Happy Easter, by the way. I forgot to say that. Happy Easter to everyone. Everybody out there. Happy Easter. Bonapasqua, if you're in Italy specifically. That's the only other, I don't know it in other countries.

But did you, I asked you before the show, but did you get egg? No, but I had egg in my fridge already. I just happened to have some egg. Yeah, good. It's good to get egg. It's really good to get egg. I hope everybody got egg out there. Or didn't get egg.

Because sometimes I'm like, I want this because I'll eat it. That's a good point. If you're staying egg-free. Yeah. I've been egg-free since 2003. You know that, don't you? Yep. Because it rhymes.

That's right. That's all I know. It's not true, but it rhymes. Yeah. It was a trick. How was it? Was it good a trick? It was great.

Good. Incredible. I know you're going to love this because you are the one who's in love with the characters from the animal Robin Hood. No matter how many times you say it, the evidence points in the other direction. The evidence points to you accusing me of that the first time we brought it up. And then you going, yep, you got me.

Incorrect. I said something along the lines of, I bet it awakened things in a lot of furries, which again, I don't have a problem with. Okay. But do whatever thing that the thing is that you're interested in. Yiffing is what they're into. Yeah, there you go. So you would know, Mason, or I would know.

Yeah, because I hang out with you and you're always talking about it. So anyway, that movie from 1973, whenever it came out, it's getting a remake. Yes. When I first saw it, it said like, Robin Hood's getting a reboot. And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me with this? Right? Because we just had one.

Didn't we just do this four times? But we didn't have an animated adaptation, which is going to use probably, one would hope, like, anthropomorphic, like computer animated versions of the ones from the cartoon. More Zootopia than Lion King. Right. Because how are they going to hold the little bows and arrows? How are they going to be sexy is the thought you're having.

No, it's not. It was not and it shan't be. But it's interesting that's where your mind went. No, I'm saying what you were thinking. No, I wasn't thinking that. Oh, okay. I was thinking about their little bows and arrows. Okay, sure you were.

And the little sheriff of Nottingham. Yeah. And where's he put his little badge? I assume he has one. Yeah, probably. Yeah. So Carlos Lopez Estrada, who directed the film Blindspotting, which I haven't seen, apparently it's incredible,

from a few years back, is going to be directing, genuinely, without talking about who accusing each other of who thinks it's sexy or not. Are either of us interested in this in a non-sexual way? Because I know this seems like I'm leading you into a trap. Seems like a trap. But I'm not. I can even go first, even though that is me falling into my own trap. Okay, go for it.

I think this is a decent idea. Wow. Because you can update it and you can use the technology that's been built upon in a property that wasn't recently remembered as well. What you're saying is you want to wear a VR headset and go into the sexy world of Robin Hood animated. I didn't say that. Oh, okay.

Just to clarify, I didn't say any of that. You made the universal hand gesture for I'm going to put on a VR headset and go into the sexy world of the Robin Hood animated movie. I didn't say sexy world. You said sexy world. Wow. Yeah, so anyway, what do you think though? I don't know.

I mean. Is it a better idea than like the Lion King Aladdin is my point? I mean, maybe just because it's less popular and fewer people would know about it. But I think people our age know about it and then would take their kids to it. Yeah. But what's the... Zootopia did well.

That's true. There's a market for this. I guess that's it. I guess it's just a market for it. But I've never understood the through line of why a Robin Hood and his merry men portrayed by animals. Like what's the – maybe they – couldn't they just do an animated version where they're humans?

No, because it never works. You notice how every time they do Robin Hood with humans it doesn't work? That's true, but what if they're animated? Yeah, but even then, do you want to see a CGI human Robin Hood movie? Yeah, he's got a big jaw. Yeah. He's got a big jaw and a little hat.

He's got a big jaw. He's pointy all over his head, isn't he? In every direction. Yeah, that's right. Because then you get something like live action, not live action, you get something like Shrek. Remember Robin Hood was in that?

I hope it's like a computer animated version Because then you get something like live action, not live action, you get something like Shrek. Remember Robin Hood was in that? I hope it's like a computer animated version of maybe one of the Errol Flynn Robin Hood movies. It's a good movie probably. Because then they could add some drunk physics to all the characters. Oh, my goodness. Because all the actors were drunk all the time. They were drunk all the time. There's some good sword fighting in that though.

I haven't seen it in a long time. But that was the definitive version. I think it still is for a lot of people. What about the Jamie Foxx version? I don't hate it, if I'm honest. I don't remember hating it either. I don't hate it. I don't think I would be able to sit through it again.

Oh, no, I'm not watching it ever again. But, you know, I think that movie's fine. But not sexy. Interesting. It might be the sexiest version we ever get, though unlikely with this coming out. Said you. That's what you think.

Anyway. This isn't over. We're going to do sexy Robin Hood news every week. So Taika Waititi has talked about Thor Love and Thunder. He did a live stream of whatever, the other Thor movie he did. Jojo Rabbit. Yeah, that one. And basically he talked about how he went through the process of that.

He also leaked a fake image of the next Thor movie and Tony Stark's in it. I don't know if you saw it. I didn't see it. It's pretty funny. But he presumably just found it off the internet? No, I think he made it up, but it's just a ridiculous thing. So this is what he said about the new one.

It's over the top now in the best way. It makes Ragnarok seem like a really run-of-the-mill, very safe film. This new film feels like we asked a bunch of 10-year-olds what should be in a movie and just said yes to everything. We do touch on Korg's, how should I say it, culture, where he's from, a few of the cultural specificities of Cronin's. If you look

in the comics, there's some stuff about how they procreate. Smashing rocks together? I don't know. I have to look into that, obviously. You would. Yeah, that's something I do find sexy. I have to look into that, obviously. You would. Yeah, that's something I do find sexy. I'm very open to that. You know that, Mason. Sexy rock man, absolutely.

Remember that no-reading story? No wonder we did the Fantastic Four movies for Caravan of Garbage. No wonder. The last one's coming out on Tuesday. Cool. And thank God, because then we're done, right? Yeah, I'd never want to watch them again. And again, there's some positives out of maybe the middle two, but I don't want to watch them again. And again, there's some positives out of maybe the middle two,

but I don't want to watch them ever again. I think there is small positives out of all of them, but even if you combine all the best elements, there's not a good movie that you could make out of all those elements. But in learning a lot of the facts about the most recent Fantastic Four movie, so much good stuff they took out. Yes, I agree. That is what astounds me.

Yeah, and that's amazing to me also that you, yeah, and sexy. So we're still doing this? Yeah, absolutely. We sure are. Yeah. What do you think about that? A completely off the wall version of Thor more so. Yeah.

Why not? I mean, it's, I think if you're going to do it, you go kind of silly. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And look, I wouldn't trust every director with that, but I would trust Taika Waititi. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah. I think. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah.

I mean, yeah, exactly, because the idea of like we made a movie that a bunch of 10-year-olds thought would think up, it's like that sounds bad. I read a lot of children's stories that children wrote when I was a teacher. Oh, yeah. Like 98% of that is absolute garbage. But see, I also trust Taika Waititi potentially to be like, that's garbage, but we will put it in.

Yeah, and make it something. Yeah, totally. I read so recently, Iiti potentially to be like, that's garbage, but we will put it in. Yeah, and make it something. Yeah, totally. I read so recently, I think I watched a video, maybe it was a WhatCulture video, it was about how Natalie Portman really didn't want to be in Thor 2. No. But. Obligated.

Obligated, contractually. That's new information for me. Yeah, well, she also, you know how she's in Endgame? Yes. They use footage that was taken out of that movie to put her in, but she did voice it. So at the time I was like, why would she do just that? Right.

You know, and this is why. Millions of dollars. Millions of dollars probably, and they're leading up to this. Can you remember, it's already gone out of my brain. Can you remember why she was contractually obligated? Because they all sign up for three. Oh, they all sign up for three. Okay, right, right, right.

I presume. That's probably it, yeah. Yeah, the three. Oh, they all sign the three. Okay, right, right, right. I presume. That's probably it, yeah. Yeah, so she only did, well, if you include Endgame, I guess it's three, but yeah, she only did the first two. Really? Yeah. Anyways, friend of yours, Ronny Cheng. Oh, yeah.

A guy you know, Ronny Cheng. I know Ronny Cheng, sure. Is he a friend of yours? Yes. Yeah, cool. He's not going to listen to this and object to what I said, so. Thank God. Well, if he's a good friend, he wouldn't object anyway, would he?

That's very true. Apparently he's joined the cast of Shang-Chi. This is according to Discussing Films. That's exciting. So the guy's making waves in a big waves. That's cool. Have you seen his special on Netflix? I have.

Asian Comedian Destroys America. It's very funny. I like the title too. I remember years ago, and I probably talked about this, I think we went to a comedy show and he got up and did like 15 minutes and he just got people to yell Asian stereotypes at him and he debunked them in front of people just off the cuff. I remember that, yeah.

It was incredible. And at the time I was like, he's something. Other than the next guy who was like, what is going on with the trams in the area? And you're like, I find that offensive. I'm very offended by it. That's really good. He was in like Crazy Rich Asians.

That's true, yeah. The Daily Show, I think he's on, is he? Not The Daily Show. Yes, he is on The Daily Show. The Trevino one, whatever that is. Ronnie also has his own theme, Eddie's theme from Crazy Rich Asians, from Brian Tyler, who, of course, does a lot of the Marvel movie themes. Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go. Excellent. Do you think he's going to be a comedic role or do you think he's going to do some crazy karate kicks? Well, he doesn't have time to get his abs going. He looks pretty trim though.

Or maybe. I reckon he's got some stuff going on that we don't even know about. That's probably true. I think there's a lot of people that are on TV that you think they look like normal people but then they're actually crazy fit for a regular person

but next to every other fit person on TV they just look like normal people. You know what I mean? Yeah, you're right yeah it's like when you see a basketball game but everybody's like seven foot but you know they all look regular size so yeah yeah i remember when because scrubs is back in the news because uh and i don't want no scrubs zach braff and uh and donald fazon have a podcast about they're going through old episodes of Scrubs and talking about him. And I remember just a running gag in that show, whenever Zach Braff would take his shirt off, everybody would laugh at him about how doughy and scrawny he was,

except he wasn't. He was very fit. Yeah. The entirety of that show, but not as fit as other people in that show. That's probably true, yeah. Yeah, that's it. In other news, Bob Iger, your dad, that's still the joke we do, right? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. 100% yeah. It's still good, isn't it? I love it. I can tell by your reaction, your delayed reaction. I was messaging Ronnie Chang, all right? Wait, really? I'm getting to it.

I'll do it in a minute. We'll find out next week. Okay. He probably won't say anything. Okay. Is this on Twitter or do you have his actual phone number? This is on Facebook. Okay, cool.

Bob Iger says, this is talking about the future of Disney Plus in the short term. He says, in terms of movies going ahead after Artemis, Artemis Fowl, the chicken boy. Oh, yes. Evil chicken boy, yes. There's going to be a few more that we end up putting directly onto Disney Plus. But for the most part, a lot of the big tentpole Disney films will simply wait for their slots. So he's talking about, you know, your Black Widows and presumably whatever Star Wars in the couple of years we're getting in.

We'll be fine by then, hopefully. I hope it's called whatever Star Wars, though. Yeah, whatever Star Wars. I don't know. What are we up to, eight? Did we do that one? It doesn't matter. What it is is just every year they just,

whatever footage they've made for anything, they get two hours worth and they just release it in cinemas. And if they can't get, you know, they're missing some stuff, they just get some comic panels and go, yeah, that's fine, isn't it? So you just go in and they've designed a new droid and it comes in and people go, oh, cool. And then there's like a baby Yoda and people go, oh. Yeah, him, yeah. And then there's like some baby yoda and people go yeah and then there's like some there's

some like animatics for ships flying around and stuff and then a whole lot of books fill out all the backstory yeah that's right and there's maybe like uh just some some actors in sweatpants swinging lightsaber sticks around incredible oh that's what i want any any whatever star wars whatever star wars i also agree here's something interesting about new Mutants because immediately a lot of people, including me, were like, oh, New Mutants. So I did some digging on New Mutants to see what's going on. Oh, yes. And I saw this on Fandom Entertainment,

but New Mutants legally has to go to cinemas because that's the deal that 20th Century Fox made with Disney when sending things over. That's why everything we've got from them, come rain or shine, mostly rain, has ended up in the movies. And aside from that, HBO also have the streaming rights to that movie eventually. Okay.

So even if they could put it on Disney+, they can't because HBO has that. Oh. Finally some answers. Finally some answers. So it's a big mess, but that's not to say that Disney couldn't put down the money to just buy all that out. mess but that's not to say that disney couldn't put down the money to just buy all that out that being said would they put any more money in this into this than what they need to absolutely not so you know again it would not surprise me if they just clear it all and go it's out and we're

you know because they're gonna have to do another marketing budget for it anyway if it goes to movies anyway so they'd weigh up that marketing cost towards that's true putting this out but oh my god what a glorious day it'll be when we all emerge from the shadows and we go oh first things first one ticket to new mutants please goodness i think i think that's all you'll need honestly as a marketing push you just be like it's a here are some movies you can see a movie if you want yeah it'll be called whatever. And you just buy a ticket and then you all get shoved into whatever cinema is closest to you and you just watch whatever you want. Ah, Speed 2.

I've seen this. Hundreds of times. I haven't seen it. I watch it every day during quarantine. I love it. I'm so glad of this. Me too. So anyways, that's the New Mutants update.

Let's never talk about that again. At least that's, that we've closed the book. I feel some closure there. Yeah. No, you haven't. Just to clarify. No, I can't wait to see New Mutants. It's like the first Percy Jackson book.

You've closed it, but you've got three to seven more Percy Jackson books to read. That's very true, isn't it? Yeah. An unknown number of books. Unknown number of books, right? Nobody knows. No one knows. There you go uh last bit of news i wasn't gonna put this in but let's do it uh carrie fukanaga who's um no time to die there's plenty of time to die because you know that joke we do i remember

the joke we do yeah because the movie keeps getting delayed and we change the title if the poster this way could just say that joke we do that joke we do every chance we get yes weekly planet posters check him out on twitter please crushing it okay so apparently that movie's in the can it's done and he said that when they put their pencils down and finished our post production window it was supposed to be out it was supposed to be out by now which was thankfully before covid shut everything else down so such a delay as to add – they could add some more polish, but the short answer is that money-wise, even though it's a big movie, they still weigh cost and value, and you could tinker with it endlessly.

But basically he thinks it's great, and they're not putting more money into it. So long story short, it's a movie that is finished, and whenever – I was going to say whenever they can release it, they will. They'll release it on the assigned. November. November, whatever it is. Okay, yeah. Speaking of, though, I'm not sure if I talked about this last week,

but for the next episodes of Caravan of Garbage, we put up a poll on patreon.com slash MrSundayMovies. If you do want to chuck in the buck, it really does help out the show to see what we're going to do next. Currently, the Brosnan Bond series are winning. That's right. Over Scooby-Doo, the Scooby-Doo films. Okay, sure.

So if people want to throw in a vote for that, that will start next week, whatever that ends up being. Cool. So there you go. Are you ready? The problem is, though, with No Time to Die, is that the only show I will have is when they release it in November, the only issue I will have is what when they release it in November

whatever like popular trending thing that was occurring when they filmed No Time to Die will not be trendy anymore what was trendy? it wasn't parkour maybe they'll add a scene where Bond is in quarantine

because it's cool you know oh you know what it'll be? Bond will be in a front facing video where he sings a song. That's what it'll be. To lift the spirits of MI6? Yes. Yeah. But they don't like it.

No, they're like... Because maybe everybody hates him there. And also he's the only one they let out to do missions and stuff. That's true. Everyone else is stuck in their house, you know? That's a very good point. He gets on Zoom and they're like, oh, this guy. This guy.

He's front-facing as well. At least do it in a hotel room, Bond. But you do it on the French Riviera or whatever. Just on a gondola filled with guns. Gun gondola. He's a madman. A gondola. A gondola.

Remember the gondola that had wheels? Yeah, it turned into a speedboat or something. No, it turned into a car. Yep. And then the pigeon did a double take. I remember. Of course I remember. Famous Bond moment. One of the Roger Ball ones. Yes. Yeah.

FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost.

FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Anyway, we've got a topic, don't we? We do have a topic. And the topic, well, actually, we've got a few suggestions because we did throw it out on Patreon.com. I had a moment of panic there. You were like, we've got a topic. And I'm like We do have a topic. And the topic, well, actually, we've got a few suggestions because we did throw it out on Patreon.com. I had a moment of panic there. You were like, we've got a topic.

And I'm like, do we have a topic? Oh, no. We're going to watch this mini-series. Oh, no. So these are the things that we got throughout. There was a lot. There were hundreds. But Jake Jacobs says, history of death in comics,

characters who have died and come back multiple times, characters who were left better off dead, and characters who stayed dead. It's a good topic, but I feel like because we just did Rob, and it's like maybe we'll probably come back to times. Characters who were left better off dead and characters who stayed dead. It's a good topic, but I feel like, cause we just did Robin. It's like, maybe we'll probably come back to something like that. Andrew says,

how about great intro comic books for people new to comic books? We've talked about that and we will definitely do that probably in quarantine as well. Oh, for sure. Eddie just says bottle episode episodes. Sure. Not necessarily of this show,

but maybe, but yeah, I would love to do that also. Uh, I'd probably have to watch a few more than, than what I've currently have. We'll need a little ramp up. Yeah.

A little ramp up. Yeah. Uh, Jamie Wetmore says, how about uplifting movies? Movies that might be a little cheesy, but still make you smile and feel good about the world. It's not the time for feeling good.

It's time for feeling sad and staying at home. That's exactly right. Good suggestion. Yeah. But, uh, Dana Vogel says, uh, if you want to continue your brick kick,

do an episode on the film Brick. Have you seen the film Brick? I love the film Brick. It's amazing. It's good. Yeah. Anyway, we're not doing it on Brick either. No. The topic that we decided on was from Joshua, who says,

casting what ifs, i.e. Sean Connery was almost Gandalf in Lord of the Rings, or Harrison Ford was almost Alan Grant in Jurassic Peck so I think that's a great jumping off point for both of those we've got some lists don't we Mason we love lists I've got an absolute banger for the end like a soul crushing one for the person associated with it yeah you're gonna love it that's a good that's some good sizzle right just to clarify the person is fine but that's But when you hear the numbers that I'm talking about, everybody who hears this is going to shoot themselves.

And that's what we need in these trying times. I mean, because oftentimes when we do, say, a Caravan of Garbage about a specific movie, often we'll talk about alternate castings and stuff like that. Totally. So I'm excited to kind of just get them out there and really chew on them, you know? Let's delve into that a little bit more.

So for those people who don't know, Sean Connery was offered the role of Gandalf in Lord of the Rings. I think part of the reason that he turned it down was also because you have to live in New Zealand for 17 years while they film those movies. Right, yes. I think also the film benefits from not casting him because even though Ian McKellen is known,

he wasn't super well known then. No, he wasn't a household name, kind of. And he had kind of dropped off the map also because when he came out, because he came out quite early for an actor in those days, he kind of disappeared for quite a long time. Like, he was still always working and doing stage, but he didn't kind of get elevated to the heights where he's at now until the late 90s, early 2000s with this and X-Men and a bunch of other projects he's done. But Sean Connery didn't understand it, so he didn't do it.

Right. Yeah. But that's interesting because there's not a lot to not understand in Lord of the Rings. Sure. Like, I mean, ultimately... I mean, do you think maybe he tried to read the book? Well, that might be it because, you know, the mythology is quite complicated.

Yes. And the history of, you know, the various Middle Earth races is quite complicated and all history of the various Middle Earth races is quite complicated and all that sort of stuff. But ultimately it's a bunch of, like a band of friends get together to take a ring across a landscape and put it in a volcano. That's it. He doesn't need to know all that other stuff. No, that's true, yeah.

He just needs to know you're the wizard who helps. Right, yes. A bit. A little bit? A little bit, yeah. You wave a stick. stick yes you get upset sometimes that's essentially it yeah occasionally you're gonna have to fall backwards onto a blue screen mattress which we're gonna pretend is an eagle we're gonna draw an eagle in later that's all

you need to know it's another thing you do not need to worry about right yes maybe he's suspicious though because he's an old you know know, he's an old school actor. Oh, totally. And, you know, and he's done action and all sorts of stuff, sci-fi and fantasy beforehand but I imagine a lot of that

was practical. Yes. And I imagine, you know, a lot of the Lord of the Rings movies would have been practical as well but there would have been stuff of like, this whole room is green screen.

Absolutely, yeah. And, and, what's the end result going to be? Yeah. It could be ridiculous. Could have been Lord of the Rings, could have been The Hobbit. Could have been that they were like,

you're going to have to wear this dress. Absolutely not. What do you think of my Sean Connery? This is unacceptable. If you can stop playing those recordings of Sean Connery and do your impression, then I'd be able to evaluate it. Okay? I'm actually genuinely embarrassed.

Like, it was supposed to be bad, but I still feel bad about doing that because it's worse than I thought it would be. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, look, honestly, though, I think Ian McKellen is a much better choice for multiple reasons. For one, he was able to come back as Gandalf for The Hobbit. He's a highlight of those movies.

That's true. Even though they nearly broke him because that was mostly green screen. Sean Connery had long retired at that point. And of course, there is the famous story that we've often talked about where he went on to do League of Extraordinary Gentlemen because he turned down The Matrix and he turned down Lord of the Rings.

Orpheus and The Matrix, right? That's right, yeah. And maybe even The Architect. They might have even circled back around him for that. Sean, please. I don't know why we keep asking you, but we will give you so much money. You just have to be a man in a suit.

You've done that before. Yes. You have to stand in a room. We'll put up an autocue that says vis-a-vis, concordantly, ergo. Just say the words. Say the words. We'll give you millions of dollars. That's right, yeah.

No, I don't understand what you're saying. So that's why he did. Look at this bucket of chicken. You just have to dress like the man on the bucket of chicken and say some complicated words. We'll provide the clothes. We'll provide them. You can keep the chicken also.

That's yours. You can put it on your head. It's a game of cricket. That's absolutely fine. So that's why he did Alex Jay. Yeah, right. Which was his last movie. Live action, but then he did alex g yeah right which was his last movie live action but then he did like a weird animated scottish movie which we'll talk about another day but the other thing is yeah well that one mentioned was harrison ford was almost alan grant

which makes sense because he'd worked with jones boys both turned down that's right yeah well he worked with spielberg obviously on the nana jones films and probably other things probably yeah so i think that would have been a great casting as well as Alan Grant. I think it also maybe would have changed the dynamic. Oh, not so much. Maybe not so much in the book, Alan Grant and Ellie Sattler,

whatever her name is. Yes. They're not in a relationship. He's older. He's like a mentor. Yeah. And they changed that for the movies, but they probably Harrison Ford was early 50 cents.

I probably would have left it as a relationship. But I think that would have been fine. I think that would have been a decent casting as well. Do you feel like Harrison Ford in that role, again, it's like the Sean Connery as Gandalf. Do you feel like he would have been too famous? Would it have taken you out of the movie? I feel like Goldblum and Laura Dern are kind of,

they're household names and you recognise them now, but I feel like at the time I wouldn't have known them. They would have been like working actors. I would have been like, well, I can see them as the characters before the actors. Whereas Harrison Ford, I'd be like, oh, it's Harrison Ford. He's doing a role. Absolutely. So, yeah, the most famous person in that movie, I mean, you could argue like

Jeff Goldblum, The Fly and a bunch of other things that he's done. But it's the Tyrannosaurus Rex. Yes, that's right. But the most famous person in that is... Attenborough? Well, probably Attenborough. Yeah, maybe, but not for kids. No, absolutely not. So Sam Neill off the back of, you know, he'd been doing a lot of stuff at that point, but he wasn't a huge actor. Well, it's not that he's a huge... No, actually, everyone knows who Samuel is.

Yeah, I know. I like the way it ended up. I do too. Sometimes things just work out. Don't they just? In fact, thus far, these have both worked out. Well, this is the opposite. I mean, not for those actors.

No, sure. But at the same time, they're both rich. Yeah. At the end of the day, and there seems to be... We're leading up to some form of tragedy that you're building towards. Yes. But at the end of the day, most of these people are still rich and famous.

That's true. So it's fine. Not so much this one because Dougray Scott was cast as Wolverine. That's right. Sorry, I should have asked you for one before I jumped into this. Oh, it's Dougray Scott as Wolverine. Is it really? Is it Dougray or Dougray?

Well, it's spelled Dougray, but it could be Dougray. I think it's Dougray Scott. Okay. So he was cast, but there was some overlap between that and Mission Impossible and also he was apparently injured. Some other people who turned down the role of Wolverine or who wanted it was Mel Gibson,

Danzig. Glenn Danzig. Misfits. And the band Danzig. Yes. Is he from Misfits? Yes. Yeah, cool. Russell Crowe. They wanted Russell Crowe, which probably would have been a pretty good choice. They got Hugh Jackman off the back of all of these people either turning it down or being unavailable,

and Hugh Jackman got this amazing career off the back of this. I mean, off paperback here, obviously. Sure. But I think there's a good chance Hugh Jackman would have been famous regardless. To something, yeah. Yeah. Like would have just waited until the musical was back.

Exactly. Just a musical. Strike when the iron be yeah. Yeah. So, but who... Like, would have just waited until the musical was back. Exactly. Just a musical. Strike when the iron be hot. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I feel like in this particular instance, the biggest change to whatever actor was cast as Wolverine would be they'd be ripped all the time.

Okay, sure. Because, like, Jackman is, you know, he's an older actor now and he's pretty much definitively retired from Wolverine. But he's in very good shape. Yes. He's been in very good shape for decades now. Yes. And some of those other actors you mentioned, perhaps not so much.

I feel like you have to retain a certain level of fitness. Are you pointing at Russell Crowe specifically? No. Just to clarify, yeah. He fluctuates depending on what he's doing. He's getting abs for Robin Hood. He's looking good for Man of Steel, as an example. Yeah, that's a good example.

I love the photo of him punching the dart in the Jor-El costume. I like the idea of that. Someone should Photoshop it so it's going off to some sort of space hookah pipe. it's floating in the in midair or whatever it's maybe got some data that he's observing yeah he's observing some data so have you got another one uh what uh let me let me see this is this one is new to me but i think it's kind of fascinating ernest borg 9 is vito corleone really okay in the uh In the Godfather movies. He's terrific. Yeah.

Yeah. But I've never, I'm sure there are some roles where he's, you know, not a kind of a kind hearted and kind of, you know, lovable goofball kind of character. Yeah, totally. You look at like, even in movies like Gattaca, or you go back to, what's that war movie? McHale's Navy? The sitcom? What's it called? All QuietHale's Navy? The sitcom? What's it called?

All Quiet on the Western Front. Yes, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think he would have done a good job. But I also, I'm okay with that not happening. Same. Yeah.

Anyway, he's fine. I mean, he's dead. He's dead. He died. He's dead, yeah. Yeah. But he's still fine. Yes.

Off the back of that, so circling back to The Godfather, I had this one for later, but Jack Nicholson apparently turned down the role of Michael from The Godfather. And he said at the time, no, sorry, and this is what he was quoted as saying more recently, back then I believed that Indians should play Indians

and Italians should play Italians. Who knows what he believes now? That's what he said at the time. So that's why he didn't end up taking on that role. Those movies are fine and Jack Nicholson is fine and has done a number of movies of the calibre, I feel, of The Godfather. So I think that's not really a loss for anybody. No, absolutely not.

If we're talking Lord of the Rings though, the role of Aragorn was offered to Russell Crowe And Stuart Townsend was famously cast As people may know from Queen of the Damned Queen of the Damned and definitely other things League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Yes and definitely other things

But they actually started filming There's images of him dressed as Aragorn But they realised that it wasn't working He looked too young And they just basically shipped him off and replaced him. That would have changed a lot of things, I feel, for him. Yeah. And that would be a very awkward conversation to have.

He could have been in the movie Hidalgo. He could have been in Hidalgo, exactly. He could have been in Eastern Promises. He could have had a nude knife fight in a steam room. I feel like Viggoison yes could have kept doing movies like the like the lord of the rings i'm sure he got offered them but he kind of chose to make smaller kind of quirky indie stuff yeah yeah he's just that kind of actor i think that's really interesting anyways you were saying what i'm saying i i wonder if that's an awkward conversation

to have or do you think there's somebody on a movie set who just has no social graces whatsoever like i'm hollywood there absolutely is some agent on some some you know upper management type person who's just like comes in it's just like hey let me just walk into the door at the end of the day of filming you're fired get out get in this car they put them in the car we're closing the door they're like you're fired here's your Here's your walking papers. There you go. Yeah, exactly. Here's your economy class ticket home. Yeah.

You're $40,000. Oh, from New Zealand. Oh, my God. I know, right. Do you think you'd get paid for the entire movie? No, I think you'd get a fraction of what you were supposed to get. I mean, it depends on your contract, obviously. That's true, yeah.

I'd imagine they had a clause in it where, because he wasn't a Sean Connery, where he doesn't probably get paid the full price regardless. I don't know that. I'm just assuming. Yeah, right. How about this one? I'm ready.

This is one of my favourites. You might have this on your list also. Sure. Arnold Schwarzenegger as King Cooper. Yes. In the Mario Brothers movies. I think we maybe talked about that briefly. I think we did, yeah.

When we covered that for Caravan of Garbage. But yeah, I think he would have done very well in that role yeah but i mean here's the thing though that was 1993 right you didn't when was term when did terminator 2 come out 91 i was in 91 yeah oh then it's fine then don't worry about it i think i would have affected i thought i was i was under the impression terminator 2 came out in 94 no i think it's set in 94. It is set in 94. Yeah, yeah, okay. The far off future. Exactly, yeah. Yes.

So off the back of that, though, I mean, a year after that, you get True Lies around the time he's doing, like, Last Action Hero, which wasn't widely regarded at the time, but, you know, it's considered a cult classic. That's a – like, he's done bombs and horrible roles before. He bounces back regardless. I don't think that would have affected him at all, to be honest. No, that's true.

I mean, he was exactly, and he was kind of, there was a period exactly where he was kind of bulletproof casting-wise. He just barreled on to the next project kind of thing. You get into your late 90s and your early 2000s, that's definitely not the case. And his persona has completely changed where he's more of an

Instagram personality now than a movie star. He's always leading like a Clydesdale around a... That's right. Into a sauna or something. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. Yeah. What about this one? I don't think it would have changed the movie ultimately. No, I don't think so either. It would have been... Yeah.

I wonder if he would have walked though because I feel like he was the kind of star... Because that dragged on for months. Again, we've done a video on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dennis Hopper walked though because i feel like he was the kind of start because that dragged on for months again we've done a video yeah yeah dennis hopper was there for six months but he was supposed to be there for one or whatever i don't remember the exact numbers but i wonder whether he would have put up with that or he had the kind of agent that

was just like no you're done and you're not doing anymore yeah or maybe he would have been like well i mean maybe he would have gotten along with the directors in a way yeah nobody else did we'll never know. Because he didn't do it, James. He didn't do the movie Super Mario Brothers 1993. He didn't do it. He didn't do it. All the speculation is pointless, ultimately.

Yeah. Why are we doing this? I don't know. Okay. If we're talking the 90s, though, Jerry Maguire, it was actually written with Tom Hanks in mind. Okay. Which I think would have worked. But he was working on That Thing You Do at the time.

So it ultimately went to Tom Cruise. Podcasting. Yes. That thing I do. That thing You Do at the time, so it ultimately went to Tom Cruise. Podcasting. Yes. That thing I do. That thing you do specifically. Okay, wow. He's a real pioneer in the genre then, isn't he? I think so.

Wow, that was a long time. I think Tom Cruise in that movie sells a lot of sack and crap, and I'm sure he was kind of a romantic lead then, so I'm sure he would have been able to do it. Yeah, yeah. But that speech at the end is pretty on the nose. and you think tom hanks couldn't have sold i think it would i think it would have changed the movie yeah right yeah okay but i think tom cruise is really good i'm not i don't know whether it's good or bad i just think you put into tom hanks it's a different jerry

yeah absolutely yeah that's true yeah which the same could be said for any of these movies really yeah why are we speculating? What's going on? What a waste of time. No, it's never a waste of... Podcasting's never a waste of time. That's why Hank's got in the ground floor. Well, look... It's a thing I do.

I think we really need to work out whether this is a waste of time by you picking just an amazing casting choice coming up next. Adam Sandler as the bear Jew in Inglourious Bastards. I like that. I think that would have been better. Yeah. I think that would have really added an element to that movie. Because it was Eli Roth, right?

It was Eli Roth. Yeah. And I think because, I mean, if you know who Eli Roth is, then that's a fun cameo, I guess. But to me and people, I guess, who know him, he is known for making sadistic, twisted movies that are quite gory. Yeah. You know what I mean?

And if you put in someone like Adam Sandler, that's someone you don't expect to walk out of a tunnel and cave someone's head in with a baseball bat. Exactly. So I think that actually would have been better. Yeah. Yeah, apparently Tarantino wanted him as well, but there were scheduling conflicts, which is, that's crazy.

I agree. I just FYI, I watched Murder Mystery the other day. And? It's fine. I know, right? It's fine. It's totally fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess that's crazy. I agree. I just have to watch Murder Mystery the other day. And? It's fine. I know, right? It's fine. It's totally fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I guess it's fine. It's totally fine. Totally fine, yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Here's one. Edward Cullen. You familiar?

From the Twilight films. Correct. So Henry Cavill was quoted as saying this in the Graham Norton show. I think the writer of the books, when the movie came around, I think I was her first choice. That's the rumor I heard. And she wanted me to play the role, but it wasn't up to her. So that's why he wasn't cast.

So maybe she was picturing him in her mind when she was also writing the books. I don't know. But that's an interesting choice. How old was Henry Cavill when those movies came out? About that age. Like 109? Yes.

I think he's a little bit... So him and Robert Pattinson are about the same age. And I think he's probably four years younger, older, sorry. Yeah. So how old would that make him portraying a 100-plus-year-old vampire in high school? I think he's around our age, so he probably would have been 24-ish. Okay. I think.

Twilight was 2007, maybe 2006. But he wouldn't look 24. He'd look like Henry Cavill. Yes. Sorry, he wouldn't look like a teenager. But Henry Cavill now looks different than Henry Cavill 10 years ago because that muscle that he put on for Superman, it kind of changes a lot of that guy because of the muscles that he has.

The muscles makes him bigger. More muscular. I think ultimately this is probably for the best for both of those actors though. Because they're both doing well regardless. That's true. Yeah. What else? What else James? I love topics. You do love topics. It's true. You really brought

this back with that excellent casting one you did earlier. Thank you. I can't remember it but it was good. It was Adam Sandler. It was a good one. Thank you. That's you i can't remember it but it was good it was it was adam sam it was a good one thank you that's what all i can remember what it was was that it was a good one chris farley is shrek yeah the late great chris yes yeah and he recorded some of that he recorded a bunch of stuff as far as i know yeah yeah i also know that mike myers recorded a lot of that in his regular accent and then went back and went i can do this scottish ish oh yes right and as a result of that they had to tweak a lot of that in his regular accent and then went back and went, I can do this Scottish-ish. Oh, yes, right. And as a result of that, they had to tweak a lot of the animation,

the mouth, to make it kind of fit the Scottish accent he was doing. So ultimately, a Chris Farley casting would have been less stressful for the animators. Yes. So that's probably affected their lives in some way. Ultimately, it's for the best for the franchise that it wasn't Chris Farley because he died and he couldn't have done the 47 sequels

and spin-offs and Christmas specials and karaoke dance parties that came as a result of that movie. So, yeah. I mean, not a good result for Chris Farley, but a good result for the Shrek franchise. And quite frankly, if I had to choose between the two, I'd rather not say.

Wow. But I think it would have affected the tone of the sequels as well. if I had to choose between the two. Yes. I'd rather not say. Wow. Wow. But I think it would have affected the tone of the sequels as well. Yeah. Because I think Farley's version, there's a, you can find some audio, and it's a particular scene.

Yeah. It's in the released version of Shrek, but it's Farley, and it's kind of, he's more like, he's more of a goofball, and he just happens to be like an ugly goofball and that affects his life.

But like, my Shrek is kind of like, he's just this awful misanthrope all the time, right? And I think that would have, you know, I think it would have affected the direction of that movie and probably all the sequels as well. And they would have had to replace him with Jim Belushi. Yes. Don't you think?

Yeah. I was going to say, or John Belushi, but that's also dead. That's why I replace him with Jim Belushi. Yes. Don't you think? Yeah. I was going to say or John Belushi, but that's also dead. That's why I didn't say John Belushi. You are way ahead of the game. You are so ahead of the game. These people were nearly cast as Rose in Titanic. Gwyneth Paltrow and Claire Danes. Together?

Yeah, together, Jack and Rose. So Gwyneth Paltrow was obviously big and also up and coming around the time of Titanic. That's why you need two women, together. Together, that's what you get. Claire Danes, of course, had worked with Leonardo DiCaprio on Titanic. But I think that ultimately... You mean Romeo and Juliet.

Yeah, whatever. I think ultimately it's a good idea not to put them back together because you go into that movie with that in mind. With the preconceived notion, right. Yeah, and then at the end, spoiler alert, it's a tragedy also. A what? Yeah. Is that the tragedy you were mentioning earlier?

Yes. Wow. Okay, well, it's good. I'm affected emotionally, but I'm glad the tragedy has been covered in this podcast. Feels good, doesn't it? But, I mean, DiCaprio and Winslet came back for Revolutionary Road, right? They did, yeah.

They teamed up again. Where they were just like, we hate each other. We hate each other and we're married. Yeah. We're going to take this road a quarter of a mile at a time. And we're married. And we're married. Yeah.

I haven't seen it. Apparently it's excellent performances. Is Michael Shannon in that? He might be. Yeah, but what if he isn't? It seems like exactly the kind of movie he would be in. So let's assume he is in it. It's a period piece.

It requires some brick-headed character actors to be stoic or possibly angry. More stoic than angry. The Dream. Yeah. What else? Will Smith, Neo. Yeah, I got that one as well.

Yeah. He actually spoke about that recently on his Will Smith YouTube channel. He said – They're getting into it, aren't they? All these celebrities, they're getting into the YouTube. This is my game. They're getting into the podcast game. God.

They're revolutionising it in a lot of ways, aren't they? It's that thing they do, isn't it? Yeah. You know? So there was speculation for years of why he turned it down, but he spoke about it recently. And he said when he was brought in, the Wachowskis were like, okay, what we're thinking like, imagine you're in a fight

and you like jump. Imagine you could stop jumping in the middle of the jump and then people could see around you at 360 degrees while you stop jumping. We've got to invent these cameras and then these people can see the whole jump when you stop in the middle of the jump. And he's just like, no, absolutely not. Because what are you talking about?

Makes a lot of sense yeah yeah yeah that's one of those things where which you always talk about where you go into a movie it's all blue and green screen what is happening is this good i don't know i mean that you know we talked talked about connery mere minutes ago yeah probably the exact same thing yeah like what happens to morpheus in that movie like the one of the yeah some of the earlier stuff i'm sure they're like okay you're in a you're in an empty room and then it's a karate dojo. And then Keanu Reeves is going to come at you and you're going to leap over his head, you know,

and he'd be like, I'm not going to do any of those things. I'm 80. Yeah, I'm not going to do any of that. Yeah, I think, honestly, I think Will Smith would have probably been good. Yeah. But I think also Keanu Reeves was excellent in that movie, so that's fine and they're both fine.

They're both fine. Maybe that should be the rating system. Are they both fine? They're both fine. Yes, that's good actually. Yeah. Because you know

you can have a near miss in casting like a Super Mario or you can have like a tragedy like the one we're building up to. Oh my God.

You lied to me. You said we didn't happen. Okay. Well off the back of that I've got Han Solo. We could have just done an episode that was just roles Sean Connery turned down. Didn't do. And also just roles that Mel Gibson didn't do.

So many. Because he was in the running for Bond as well. Like Bond and Batman and a bunch of stuff. Braveheart. He got it. Got Braveheart, yeah. Because he directed it also. He's doing fine.

Well, he wasn't originally going to be William Wallace because he was like, I might be a bit off for this And I'm not Scottish And they were like Good point Mel Gibson But then he went But I am the director of this film

So I will be I'm actor Mel Gibson Yeah right Actor director Yeah Mel Gibson Han Solo Famously everybody in the 70s

Went up for this Right yes Went to Which is interesting Because it's I Lucas was up and coming. Oh, because he did American Graffiti.

And he was friends with Scorsese and Spielberg. It's all who you know. So you know what you know. And if you're Han Solo. But you would think that a Scorsese or somebody like that would be, don't go into this. It's laser sword battles and spaceships. You know.

They were all mates though. I guess they were all mates. Just a bunch of uni buds. Maybe it was all pranks. Maybe it's like, yeah, my buddy George Lucas has got this. You got that? Yeah, it's going to be great.

You're going to love it. You're going to love it. Okay, imagine you're in a bar. You're sitting down in the bar and a guy, he's got a, he's looked like a green bagpipe. And he comes up to you and he's got a laser. He's going to shoot you with a laser.

That's what it is. It's going to shoot you with a laser. That's what it is. It's going to happen. It's like the Godfather of Space. That's why you're going to like it a lot. So Al Pacino said it was mine for the taking, but I didn't understand the script. Ooh, space. Yeah.

Ooh, leases. Ooh, burrito. That's my Sean Connery again. That was really good. Yeah, it's good clunky yes so

a bunch like Kurt Russell was up for it yeah Gary Buse well he was up for a lot of stuff because he was the Disney's mystery man

yeah they were like we gotta put him in something this is for those who don't know which may be the case for some that was the last thing

that Walt Disney wrote and he was in a bunch if you go to Disney Plus there's a lot of young Kurt Russell is in a weird movie No, which may be the case for some. That was the last thing that Walt Disney wrote, and he was in a bunch. If you go to Disney+, there's a lot of young Kurt Russell is in a weird movie from the 70s movies. They were like, this guy's the golden child. Disney knows what he's doing, and we've got to cast him in everything. He's great. I think Kurt Russell would have been excellent as Han Solo,

and also I say that looking at Kurt Russell now and go, yeah, he'd definitely be, he could do Han Solo again. Still, yeah, absolutely. I think Pacino's a bit like, look at Pacino now and you're like, imagine that guy stumbling on board the Millennium Falcon and I'm not quite sure that that is the same. Right. I think if the door closed on his leg, it would kill him.

Yeah, sure. It's true. I like Pacino. Yeah. A lot. No, they could just's true. I like Pacino. Yeah. A lot. No, they could just de-age him and have him shuffle into the Falcon. Ooh-ah. Space.

Give him some big elevator shoes. That's fine. That's a dangerous game, though, isn't it? Yep. When you're shuffling on board a spaceship. That's true. If Patton Oswalt tells, he's got that really famous comedy bit where he does Gary Busey as Han Solo, which people should look up.

What else, Mason? What about James? Yeah. What about, this one's also new to me, but it may not be new to you. Okay. Another potential The Terminator casting, OJ Simpson. Yes. Do you know why they didn't pick him?

Because they knew he would be a murderer in a couple of decades' time? Nobody knew he was a murderer at that point. He had a film career off the back of not getting the Terminator. They thought he was too much of a friendly face. Lance Hendrickson was also going to be the Terminator at one point because he looks more like an infiltrator kind of model. That guy could walk through a crowd and you wouldn't stop and look at him. Yeah, that's true. But you would look at Arnold Schwarzeneg arnold schwarzenegger especially if he's nude and oiled

which he is always so i mean good obviously because we wouldn't have got i know because he would have done terminated two before he did the murders so we would have we would have been riding high for four years yeah but we wouldn't have ultimately got several other Terminator films. Wait, allegedly? What are we allowed to say? No, he did it. Oh, good. Like, he got off.

Yeah, that's true. But he definitely did it, right? That's universally accepted. That's not how slander works. Okay. Well, he definitely allegedly did it. Okay, cool. In everybody's eyes.

Yep. Including his own. Yes. Because he knows that he did it, allegedly. So, yeah, no, obviously. his eyes yeah including his own because he knows that he did it allegedly uh so yeah no obviously that's bad i'm glad that didn't happen there you go here's a good one we could do comic book ones for days anyway they're fine by the way both of them are fine both arnold schwarzenegger and oj that's true he is he's just out on the golf course tweeting out insane shit to people while literally every comment back is you're a murderer yeah yeah so we could do comic book ones for days and we we probably will come

back and we'll do it but i found this one really interesting because josh hartnett was offered the role in batman begins christopher nolan was very much like i want you to be you know my batman josh hartnett and he said in that, I think my regret mostly was not forming a friendship or a creative partnership with the director more than I was not doing Batman. So he saw it as this kind of three-picture deal, this role he would be tied to. He would kind of dog him for the rest of his life. But what he regrets is that, you know, because off the back of that Christian Bale, well, he's obviously gone on gone on to do

massive things but he was in movies like the one where he's a is a wizard and he's like me and hugh jackman are wizards and we're dueling wizards both of us have ideas for how to be the best wizard but i feel my wizarding is superior jackman though thinks his wizards and I shan't be having it it's a good movie to a point yep yep so I think

yeah Josh Hartnett is fine yes but I think that would have changed his career I think he wouldn't be doing Penny Dreadful

which is a great show he'd be doing whatever Christian Bale is doing yeah maybe yeah potentially Cillian Murphy also

went in to audition for Batman I think, or he thought he was going to. No, he did. They all put on the Batman forever suit. There's footage of Cillian Murphy. There's footage of some others.

Yes, that is correct. We'll save that for another day. Ashton Kutcher as well, I think. Really? I think he was going to be Superman at one point in the early, or he was up for it as well in the early 2000s.

I mean, it's not that, you know, it's not that outside the realm of possibility in so far as Topher Grace was Venom. That's right. Just get her that 70s show, guys. Just get them. Get them. Yeah, get the dad.

It's in Robocop, too. Yes. That's right. Yes. Yeah, very good. What else you got? I also have some, if you'll be good. Okay, go ahead, sure.

Not a comic book movie so I apologize to everybody uh but La La Land Miles Teller said he got the call from my agent saying hey I just got a call from Lionsgate well this is off the back of them saying we definitely want you for this uh-huh so Damien told them that he no longer thinks you're creatively right for the project who's Damien Damien uh he's moving on without you. So there is speculation. Damien Wayans? Yes. There is speculation that that might be a result of Fantastic Four.

But La La Land. Yes. I just want to check. I think La La Land came out in 2016. Yeah, so that does actually line up because La La Land came out in November of 2016. Yep. And Fantastic Four came out in August of the previous year. Yeah, right.

So that is entirely possible. That is what happened. Yeah. I think Miles Teller probably would have been good in that, but Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone, they're really good in that movie. So I'm okay with it. Also, he did Whiplash. He did do Whiplash.

And he did Divergent. Yes. Which one? Allegiant specifically. He did Allegiant. That's a good one, I think. Because that came out after Fantastic Four. No, but he did both.gent. Yes, which one? Allegiant, specifically. He did Allegiant. That's a good one, I think. Because that came out after Fantastic Four. No, but he did both.

He did all of them. He did Divergent, Insurgent, and Allegiant. There's three of those. He did Get a Job. Get a Job. He did War Dogs. War Dogs. Jonah Hill.

He's going to be in Top Gun Maverick. Top Gun Maverick. He's Goose's son. Bradley Bradshaw. Bradley Bradley Bradshaw. Bradley Bradley Bradshaw. Is his name really Bradley Bradshaw? No, it's Bradley Bradshaw. Bradley Bradley Bradshaw. Bradley Bradley Bradshaw. Is his name really Bradley Bradshaw? No, it's Bradley Bradshaw.

But his nickname's Bradley, so it's Bradley Bradley Bradshaw. Son of Carrie Bradshaw and Goose. Yeah, that's right. Terrific. If it was me, I'd be Bradley Radley Bradshaw. No, you'd be Bradley Bradley. I would be Bradley. No one would call you Bradley.

No, that's because that's the funniest one, I think. So Annette Bening was going to be Catwoman in the early 90s. She accepted the role, but she had to drop out because she got pregnant. I think she would have been great. Yes. But everything worked out for everyone on board for that. We talked a little bit about Bond, but Hugh Jackman was offered the role. He said, I was about to do X-Men 2 and the call came from my agent asking if I'd be interested

in Bond. So maybe not confirmed, but very much. They'd been in Australian Bond before and everybody loved and remembered him. But he said, I felt at the time the scripts had become so unbelievable and crazy and I felt like they needed to be grittier and real, which makes sense because this would have been just after Die Another Day. Yes. So there's every reason that he would not want to do that movie.

And he probably spoke to Halle Berry and she was like, fucking shit show. They promised me a franchise and I got nothing. I got jinxed. It works in a couple of ways, that word. And then he would have been like, yeah, it does sound like you were jinxed. And she would have been like, no, my character's name was Jinx. And he would have been like, oh, I

didn't see it. Are you familiar with who was nearly cast as or was cast as Indiana Jones? Harrison Ford. Yeah, he was. He was cast. That's right. Also, I forgot to mention earlier. Shia LaBeouf in future movies. He was cast. But I forgot to mention that Harrison Ford was doing some carpentry

at the time of Star Wars. And then they were just like, we need someone to read opposite some of these actors. Can you do it? And they were just like, you. Yep. That's fine. Because George Lucas didn't want anybody from,

he'd previously worked with in Star Wars. But he'd worked with him in American Graffiti. So it's like, you're out, but. You're out. And then you're back in. But also, you have to talk about it for the next 45 years if you do this movie. But you'll be rich, so you'll have as much weed as you want. But also, it's Relentless, and you obviously will hate it.

But the weed thing. That's right. Any more? That's all I've got. I've got two left. Okay. And one's the tragedy. One's the insane one.

If you want to lead with the tragedy, then go with the fun one. No, no, neither of these are actually fun. Oh, no. Anyway, they's all I've got. I've got two left. Okay. And one's the tragedy. One's the insane one. If you want to lead with the tragedy, then go with the fun one. No, no, neither of these are actually fun. Oh, no. Anyway, they're all fine. Yeah, they are. Whoever we mentioned then. Exactly. Yeah, Hugh Jackman's fine.

Yeah, he's doing real well. And Daniel Craig, fine. Hates it, but he's fine. He's doing fine. Yeah. He'll love whatever he does next, maybe. That's right. Brokeback Mountain.

I didn't know this, but Gus Van Sant was attempting to adapt it for years before it went to Ang Lee. I just read this. Obviously, he did many movies, including Finding Forrester with Sean Connery, I think. Big news. Yes. If you were not around when this service was available,

the website You're The Man Now, Dog, is back. What do you mean by that? It was gone for a while. Yes. You couldn't access it. Yes. But now if you go to Google and you type in You're the Man Now, Dog, that website will.

And I don't want to spoil it for anyone. Okay. But if you want to do that. So you're not even going to explain why you're saying you're the man now, dog? No. So if you haven't seen that movie. I should also point out he's done amazing things. Yes.

Well, including Good Will Hunting. That's true. So, you know, and Milk and many other things. But while he was attempting, this is what he said about it. I was working on it and I felt like we needed a really strong cast, like a famous cast. That wasn't working out. I asked the usual suspects, Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon,

Ryan Phillippe. They all said no. Nobody wanted to do it. I think that's also, I mean, just looking at the timeline of this, that would have been probably late 90s, early 2000s. Yeah. And there is definitely a stigma where you take on a role like this. I mean, a lot of times it's often considered brave and what it can be like when tom hanks did that's true but this is this

movie is like hardcore gay sex which hadn't really been done not really it's like i mean it had been done in real life a lot of people been doing it but they'd never been done to like they were they were passionate love scenes in a movie yeah that's right between two men prior to that it had all been implied or and you know, Philadelphia, it's just. It's just like, I hate this. What's happening to me? I don't like it. Tom Hanks is fine though.

So, yeah, so that's, I'm not surprised by any of that, to be honest. Yeah. Anyway, I've just written here, this one is crazy. Okay, great. We are talking about the role of Jake Sully. Who's that? Look, I only know who it is because of the constant references.

So what's the name of the guy in Avatar? Yes. We know it's Jake Sully now. But if you'd asked me a year ago, I wouldn't have a clue. Sure. Or even before the movie Avatar. I wouldn't have known then. No, no.

There's a lot of period, there's a big period of time in your life where you don't know Jake Sully, is that right? Is that safe to assume? Yeah, most of it, I would say. Actually, the majority of it. I mean, that is shrinking, obviously. Yeah, yeah. At a certain point, I will know, I'll have known of Jake Sully

more than I hadn't known of Jake Sully. That's interesting. Yeah. You've got a lot going on. What do you think of the name Jake Sully? Bad. It's bad, right? Yeah.

There's only a limited number of action hero names that are allowed to exist, and Jake is one of them. Yeah, okay. It can be Jake, it can be John. What if it was Jake Goodkick? Is that better? That's really good. Thanks.

Yeah. It's too late now, isn't it? But it's ironic because his father was the one with the good kick. Oh, yeah, his legs didn't work. Yeah. That was a big point of that movie. Yeah. I didn't mean to do that but that's what's that's where we are anyway the role famously went to

sam worthington matt damon and again that's a real drywall situation that's a real harrison ford putting up shelves or whatever it was because didn't he supposedly he was like i don't even care and he spat on the camera yeah and then then james cameron was like that's the kind of attitude that i want but he planned that out it was like you know that's the kind of attitude that I want. But he planned that out. It was like, you know, that's the kind of kid that I want. Look at that fire and passion. He's an actor. He tricked you. Anyway, Matt Damon was offered the role.

And this is the story from Matt Damon's perspective. This is what James Cameron said to him. Now, listen, I don't need anybody. I don't need a name for this, a named actor. If you don't take this, I'm going to find an unknown actor and give it to him because the movie doesn't really need you. But if you take the part, I will give you 10%. Just to clarify, that movie made $2.78 billion.

Okay, so it was 10% of the gross. Yes. Right, uh-huh. I mean, isn't that similar to- Gross net, does it matter? Really? No, it does in Hollywood. It definitely does. Because 10% of the gross. Yes. Right, uh-huh. I mean, isn't that similar to... Gross net, does it matter? Really? No, it does in Hollywood. It definitely does.

Because they can tweak the numbers. They can tweak the numbers. They can be like, well, we've never actually made a profit on this movie. Didn't Harrison Ford get a really good deal in the Star Wars movies? Doesn't he get a percentage? He did, the new one, yeah.

Yeah, right, Force Awakens. He said, I couldn't do it. And he said, that sucked and that's still brutal, but my kids are all eating. I'm doing okay. Yeah. Which is true. That is true.

He is beyond rich. Yes. So it doesn't really hurt that much. It's just the amount of money that he very clearly left on the table is staggering. Does that mean Worthington got 10% of the gross? Absolutely not. Because why would he?

Because he's an unknown. He was an unknown. He hadn't even done Terminator Salvation yet. He hadn't even done man on a ledge that is wild because why would he give damon 10 of the gross i think because he was a name and he would have counted on him bringing a certain demographic or a certain he just finished saying yes i don't need i don't need you but that i think is just like a negotiating oh okay right right Oh, okay, right, right, right. I guess. Just like, we'd love you to do it, but you don't have to do it.

But I mean, he was right. He didn't need the name. No, he really didn't. Anyway, this is the bit I like. I told John Krasinski this story when we were writing Promised Land. I tell him the story and he goes, what? And he stands up and starts pacing in the kitchen. Dan recalls Krasinski telling him that.

Had he been cast in Avatar, nothing in his life would have been different except right now we'd be having this conversation in space. That's go to space party really, isn't it? No, I interpreted that as because Matt Damon would have built a space laser and destroyed the earth with it and we'd all be floating in space like the Jetsons. So good thing then?

Yeah, mishap. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Look, in all honesty, I know I said that was insane. Sure, it's probably not as insane as, you know, a very rich man didn't get even richer. Right, yes. But that to me is just a staggering turn of events. I guess in the grand scheme of things though,

so it's 10% of $2 billion. What's that? 2.78. 2.78. Okay, million dollars there would be hollywood actors who have 270 million 270 million probably would have had at some point yeah right yeah before he bought all those suits in yeah and all the wine or whatever he's up to yes so yeah that's kind of where cage might have had 270 million yeah i think if you look at somebody like jack nicholson probably off the back of Batman, he's probably got about that now. Yeah, right.

Keaton's probably insanely rich. I think a lot of these deals that used to happen don't so much happen now unless you're The Rock and it's your property and you're making it and you get a cut of Hobbs & Shaw because you're the lead of this shit movie. Right. I like The Rock. You're getting a little off the top from all the Hobbs & Shaw Pez dispensers. That's right, exactly, yeah.

His would be bigger than Statham's. He'd make it so, wouldn't he? But Statham's would be smarter. And wider. That's right. And balder. But their heads would be the same size. They would be about the same amount of bald, wouldn't they?

Yes, they would. But Statham's somehow balder. You don't think of The Rock being bald. No. You think of Statham being very bald. I think because Statham also spent a lot of his career keeping his hair cropped but not all the way down that's true where the rock started to lose his hair and just buzzed it back that's true also in the movie get shorty i think he had like an afro yeah so people think that's his real hair yeah and maybe it was maybe it's a mystery yeah

what are we talking about i've lost my train of thought doesn't matter no but also yeah they're 270 million dollars that's a yeah and again it's probably less if it might not have been gross and whatever, but still staggering. He doesn't need it, and it's fine. Everybody's fine. And that movie came out, and there'll be more at some point in our lives or our children's lives. Think about how many front-facing videos Matt Damon would be making now

if he wasn't chasing that next role, you know? Oh, my God, you're not wrong. Yeah. $270 million worth. Maybe that's money that ruins you. Maybe that's demotivating money. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Anyway, we're done. We are done, absolutely. We're on to the next segment of the show. Oh, what are we reading? What are we going to read? Oh, my goodness. What have you been reading? I haven't done the theme song yet.

I know. I'm just saying gird yourself. Gird your loins goodness. What have you been reading? I haven't done the theme song yet. I know. I'm just saying gird yourself. Gird your loins. I'm girding it. Okay. I'm doing the theme. What are we reading today? We are back for what we were reading.

We didn't go anywhere. So I say we're back, but it's just we didn't move. But maybe people leave the room and then come back to their... Like we've got time. Yeah. And when we say we're back, it's me, you and the listener because we're all in this together. We're all back.

That's great. It's a good way to look at it. Obviously, it's more me and you because we don't know the listener. That's true. But they know us. But we don't know them, just to clarify. No, we're best friends with them individually. Okay.

I don't think they appreciate your pandering, quite frankly. I'm not pandering. This is real. I personally know every listener because you sit in your ivory tower just making the podcast and then you just put it. But I personally contact every listener and then we hang out. I mean, we can't do it now, obviously, but I break the rules. That's good.

And I break isolation. I go out and I talk to people individually. If you're a new listener and you haven't met Mason, hit him up. Wikipedia Brown. Introduce yourself. That's my fault. That's my fault. He will hit you back this week.

As many of you as you can. We'll hang out. We'll cough in each other's mouths this is real you caught my bluff that's right anyways what are you reading oh my goodness uh all right so on your i i feel you recommended this a couple of weeks ago so i thought i'd give it a shot uh i i attempted to watch and speaking of matt damon i attempted to watch the jay and silent, I attempted to watch the Jay and Silent Bob reboot. Attempted. I attempted. I couldn't get through.

Yeah. You didn't think it was just like, it just kind of washes over you. I hated it. No, I hated it. Really? Yeah. It was so cringy. Okay.

Yeah. Couldn't, couldn't do it. Too self-referential or did you get to the Ben Affleck bit? Yeah. No. What I did is I got to like, I got to like half hour in, think, maybe, and then I just skimmed for celebrity cameos. And I'm like, ooh, Damon. Ooh, Affleck.

Okay, now the movie's over. Okay, fair enough. It just felt so contrived and cartoony and basic. Yeah, okay, fair enough. Couldn't do it. Well, the Jane Solo Bob movies, this and the last one, they're notoriously kind of referential to that universe. So going into this, I was like, I know what this is going to be.

So I didn't kind of. I felt I knew what it was going to be. Yeah, but it's still kind of. Maybe I shouldn't have told you that I liked it. Maybe you would have enjoyed it more. Okay, fair enough. Well, you know, this is the world we live in. People like things, people don't like things.

I liked it. Look, maybe tomorrow I'll ask the listeners what they think when I hang out with them. Or your friends. Yeah, that's right. Very good. I love that. So actually, I've been reading. It's back.

The Old Guard. Oh, comic book. So this is a story by Greg Rucker and Lindro Fernandez. Some of that is wrong, obviously. But it's about an immortal team of mercenaries who, when they get horribly shot up or decapitated or minced, cannot die until one day it just stops working for some reason. Yeah, right.

And I really enjoyed the first run, and so I recommend getting to that, and they're on to a new adventure. As a somewhat indie comic, like outside of the DC Marvel stable, it's one of those ones that just comes out whenever it comes out. I'm going to write that down because I'm going to catch up on that. It's been out for a while, but I know because obviously comics aren't coming out at the moment.

So if you're looking for something. Are you finding you have more time for? I'm going back to old comics because i normally read a few comics before bed it's kind of like a habit that i've fallen into so i'm like i've never i've never i'm gonna get into batman no man's land but you have roughly the same amount of time to to catch up on movies and tv oh no i've got less because my kids are always here and claire's a million years pregnant yeah so no under normal circumstances i would have the exact same amount of time because my job is still operating.

And I feel very fortunate about that. Yes. But I'm also on holiday, so I've had more time. Yeah. So you're fitting more stuff in. I am fitting more stuff in. This week, in fact, today I re-watched Blade Runner 2049 because it appeared on Netflix, even though I own it on Blu-ray. But you're like.

And it's been sitting right next to my PlayStation. Yeah. For months. Yes. it on blu-ray but you're like it's been sitting it's been sitting right next to my playstation yeah for for months yes but i'm like i have to i have to take doom eternal out of the drive you still watch the netflix i still watch it on netflix did a buffer it was fine it looked good terrific yeah it's still great it's still great it's really good yeah and it's also it's one of those movies where I realise that I have to see a particular actor maybe a half a dozen times before I recognise them in things. Because Anna Diamus is in this.

Yes. As Ryan Gosling's computer-generated girlfriend. Yes. David Dust Maltian is in this. Yes. Say that again? He's like an autopsy or like a forensics guy. Right, okay.

Who else is in this? Mackenzie Davis is in this. I was going to say, yeah. And Robin Wright is in it. There's some terrific actors. Ryan Gosling is in it. Jared Leto is in it. Jared Leto is in it.

Yeah, Dave Bautista's in it. Yes. Some good names in this. Sean Young is still in it. Edward James Olmos. Yeah. Some great names. It's a very good movie. It's a really good movie. There yeah some great names it's a very good movie it's a

really good movie there's a reason why it's a very good movie but there's also another reason why nobody saw it yes but uh yeah i'm what's the good reason no one saw it because nobody cared nobody the first one didn't do well yeah right and it's a it's a film that's kind of it's niche it's niche i mean it's obviously famous yeah but i would say for most people you'd be like oh yeah robots or something yeah yeah but i mean it's it it's it's so just gorgeous looking it's incredible and sound design the color palette the performances again jared leto was the only thing that's kind of distracting in that movie for me yeah yeah yeah i've actually got a...

Oh, sorry, go on. Well, I was going to say, but also as a result, I'm still chipping away at Doom Eternal. Yes. It's probably going to take me a year to finish it. I don't think I'm going to buy it. No, you don't think so? No, I don't think I am. I've just...

Even though it's been positive, I've just... Some of the things that people are talking about in that, I'm like, that doesn't seem like something that I want to spend my time doing. Specifically? Like the frenetic pace of it. Oh like the unrelenting nature like i took some time off from it like a couple of weeks and then i'm like oh i should i've played that in a while i should play it again and i sort of had to relearn yes there's the motion of the game again and some of the idea of platforming and yeah yeah yeah you know yeah you're constantly on the run which i know the first one is as well but i'm just kind of like i can't deal with this right now or maybe ever how about this

though yeah you've got a shotgun like that and you can shoot somebody with a grappling hook and then you reel yourself into them and while you're doing that you shoot them with that's good i like that it is good but what i don't like about the new doom games and i don't know whether the second one does this specifically and i mentioned this but i but I don't like how you get just put into a kill box and then you escape to another kill box. And my understanding is that it's still that. Because obviously the original Doom is dated, but I feel like with that there's a lot of forward momentum

and you're not trapped anywhere at any point in time. They're not like, there's too many demons and all the doors are locked. And now all the doors are open though because you killed them all. Yeah, it's kind of like that. Yeah, so I don't like that yeah yeah yeah yeah but again looks really good yeah you know and shotgun with it yeah grappling you want to hang out in a man cave in space it's got it no okay then okay you'd rather hang out in this man cave on earth exactly yeah we got him folks we chipped away at him enough. He's given up.

This is more man cave than the regular room. Yeah. I mean, look at this. Yeah. It's a pile of crap. It's a pile of old video games. That's the most man cave thing there ever is, right? That is true, yes.

This is from Joe. Just an assortment of crap that your wife keeps demanding you throw away, and it just moves closer and closer to the bins, but it never goes out to the bin. Oh, shit. I just threw my wedding ring then. Maybe it was in our reaction to what you were saying. Wow, wow.

Close to the bin. That's very Freudian. I believe so. I play with my wedding ring when I'm podcasting. Thinking about cheating on your wife? No, because I'm thinking about the listeners and how I want to be committed to that for this hour and a half. Cheating on your wife with the listeners? No, Mason.

That's not what I said. But that's what I'm implying you're saying. Yeah, in a way you're correct. So Joe says on Twitter, hashtag weeklyplanetpod, I just finished the first episode of Tales from the Loop and as a parent I appreciated it. Slow paced but interesting, great score and since it's PG rated I can watch it while my kids are around.

So that's something I do want to get into and you didn't love necessarily because of the slow pace of it. No, I enjoy the look of it. I enjoy the vibe of it. But I would need many, many weeks to get through it, I think. A hundred weeks. Yeah. Great.

But look, if people do have things that they're reading or watching, please send it in and tell us why you like that particular thing. Speaking of comic books also, on the back of we were going to do it, we're going to do a comic book For Caravan of Garbage In the next few weeks Yeah Maybe

Depending on If we do the Bond movies It depends It depends on Where it kind of falls Yes But in doing so I'm like

I should get I should catch up Up on some stuff So I read I'm caught up on Superman's pal Jimmy Olsen Oh yeah The Matt Fraction run

I got into that I gotta keep going Yeah It's fun It's It's fun and dumb And it's Jimmy Olsen. Oh, yeah. I got into that. I've got to keep going. It's fun. It's fun and dumb, and it's Jimmy Olsen in performing one of his weird viral video stunts. He's going to be parachuting out of orbit. It's sabotage, and he suspects foul play,

and so he has to go in hiding in Gotham City, and he's sort of putting together this conspiracy theory of murder yes and uh and it and each episode is kind each issue is kind of like a satire of a lot of kind of dc and comic book kind of tropes terrific it's fun i don't know if i entirely buy the uh some of the characterizations yes uh like like batman's very stereotypically batman but lois is like more a nuanced kind of full character. But it's a lot of fun. Okay.

Maybe he only sees that side of Batman. That's probably it, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe that's it, yeah, yeah, yeah. The cowl off in the Batcave Batman, yeah. But there is a lot of like Superman winking to camera and people are going, who are you winking to? You know who does that back in the day? Yeah.

Superman. Give him one of those. And also on the DC tip, I've been reading Event Leviathan, which is the DC, this is from some time ago, but I never really got around to it. I keep seeing ads for it. It's this supervillain who, for nefarious reasons, is destroying all the spy agencies in the DC Universe.

Who wrote that? Who wrote that? Who wrote that? Who wrote that? You'd have to look it up for me. I'd say Greg Rucker, but I think I did. I said it because I brought it up before, when I wrote that other comic.

It is by... Legion of the Superheroes, something, something, something... Marvel Comics, is it? It's not by Marvel Comics. No, it's not. I've gone the wrong one, yeah. DC Comics, you're right, yeah, because we Marvel Comics, is it? It's not by Marvel Comics. No, it's not. I've gone the wrong one, yeah. DC Comics, you're right. Yeah, because we were just talking about it.

Grant Morrison and David Finch. There you go. That's a good team. Okay, are we doing letters? We are doing letters at some point. I think we should do letters. Yes. The classic one was letters, oh letters.

We love you. Some letters. Here we go. They're only a take away. I'm going to hear right now. I lost the beat, James. It's okay. I lost it.

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That's right. And texts even. Yeah. Do you want to go first or would you like me to first okay so this is from lewis brindle oh so when you said yes you want me to go first you meant you because i said you want me to go first and you said yes and then you just started yeah yes me me wants to go first yes correct this is from lewis brindle says twin peaks turns 30 uh this week marks the 30th anniversary of twin peaks with lockdowns in effect all over the world i'm taking this time to finally watch the whole series,

as I've heard so much about it over the years. Have either of you seen it? If so, what are your thoughts? I've not seen it. Never seen it. I've never seen it. I've heard I should see it, and I like David Lynch. But no, I haven't.

And it's one of those things where, like, this is a commitment and I really got to watch it. And then also I have to watch that bad movie in between they made that everybody hates. Fly a walk with me? Yeah. Right, uh-huh. But I do want to watch it. And then also I have to watch that bad movie in between that they made that everybody hates. Fire Walk With Me? Yeah. Right, uh-huh. But I do want to watch it, but I just haven't.

He continues, Also, what's your opinion on the revival series Twin Peaks The Return being included in many best films of the 2010s list? Well, if you were listening, Lewis, we told you we haven't. What is this guy? What's he doing? We haven't watched any of them. Yeah.

So we don't know. You know this guy, right? Yeah, Lewis. You need to speak to him. I should. Speak to your friend, Lewis. I'm going to talk to him tomorrow. I'll have a chat with him tomorrow and I'll be like, them. Yeah. So we don't know. You know this guy, right? Yeah, Lewis. You need to speak to him. I should. Speak to your friend, Lewis. I'm going to talk to him tomorrow. I'll have a chat with him tomorrow and I'll be like, Lewis.

Yeah. Lewis. Lewis. Dude. Come on. It's fun to hang out. We've gone fishing. This is great.

But we said. Yeah. We haven't seen them. You need to. Friendship is two ways. That's right. You need to listen. Yes.

Yeah. Thanks, Lewis. Thanks, Lewis. That need to listen. Yes. Thanks, Lewis. Thanks, Lewis. That's really good. Yeah. No, I'll get to it at one point. Or never, because there's a million things to watch. I will watch one episode this week.

Okay. And see if I'm compelled enough. Some stuff from that era holds up, some doesn't. Most doesn't. Apparently this does. All right, then. Hayden says, hashtag weekly planet pod. Something I've been thinking about for a while.

The Batman and Robin comic book art in the 90s Always coloured Tim Drake's And dark environments colours In blue Is blue Batman actually just Black It's a really good question I thought so too

I think he's blue I don't know if he is though Because if the buildings are all blue and they're in darkness, shrouded in darkness and shadow, is that the representation of black in the comics? That's a very good question. Did you know? Here's the thing.

If you read comics from like the 90s, 2000s. No. But you should. But once you see it, you can't unsee it. Especially DC comics, the night sky is often purple. Yes. It's like a default background colour for some reason. Maybe he is black, but I think he's blue.

I think there are definitive blue versions of it. Yes. But I think a lot of the time when it's supposed to be this, not a lot, some of the time when it's darkness in the night, it's supposed to be actually black, but it's represented as blue time when it's darkness in the night, it's supposed to be actually black, but it's represented as blue to make it pop off the page. Okay, but hear me out. Okay.

What colour is an actual bat? Blue, right? Okay, I bet, though, if you looked at a lot of the comics, the bats would be blue, actually representing black is my point. Right. I don't even know what I'm arguing anymore, to be honest. Why?

Except that in Gotham City yeah all the bats are blue and all the skies are purple yeah yeah because of an experiment that happened yeah who did it in arkham asylum who did it um kite man he would wouldn't he yeah kite man did it just up there with a big brush Yes, exactly Going at it Yes Terrific Yeah

What else you got? Michael Preece asks Well, he says a thing first But then he asks I just finished the second season of Kingdom on Netflix And thought I'd recommend it to you guys Okay, it's not a question at all I apologise

I found this Korean horror series much better than The Walking Dead As it's a lot more interesting And it kept me guessing throughout I've seen this a few times this week, I think. Have we? Yeah, maybe on my YouTube channel or something, but a few people recommended it. They say if you don't like The Walking Dead,

but you like Train to Busan, this is kind of where it's at. So I might look into this. Cool. I'm going to put it on my list right now. Put it on your list, Mason. Oh, there it is. It's right there. It's the first result when I put in the word kingdom.

Is it on Netflix? Yes. Great. Is it on our Netflix? Yes. We thought about it, so it'll. It's right there. It's the first result when I put in the word kingdom. Is it on Netflix? Yes. Great. Is it on our Netflix? Yes. We thought about it, so it'll be gone next week. I'm afraid so. Mr. Lars says, hashtag weeklypanetpod on Twitter,

with the success of Spider-Man life stories, which other superheroes would you like to see be given the life stories as a treatment? Okay, so no, life story is the story of Spider-Man, but his story begins in the 60s and he ages normally, right? Correct. That's the one. I reckon maybe Iron Man would be good as kind of the world moves on without him or he becomes a horrible arms dealer

or he gets too arthritic to be in the suit anymore. Classic Iron Man. That'd be good. Yeah. Could you do Captain America or is it not really, the era's too weird for that? It's like the 40s and then it's the modern day, whenever that is in comics.

Yeah, right. Well, you could do 40s there through the... Like Windy One Freezing. Oh, I see, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could do it. Well, you could do Captain America life story and he gets frozen

in the 40s and then just, it's just boring real world for 30 years. Just watch and read that. Yeah.

All these friends die wondering, what happened to that guy? What happened to that guy? I think he was in the ice. He fell on the ice. Yeah, I know, but they don't know that.

If they knew, they'd go get him. They would get him out of that ice. Yeah, that's true. Boy, if we knew where he was, it's just a lot of characters going, if we knew where he was, we would definitely get him out of what situation he's in. But I think if you knew he fell on the ice and you were a regular person,

you wouldn't get him because you'd think he was dead. It's also true, yeah. They accidentally found him, didn't they, in some versions, a lot of versions? They're like, what's this? It's Captain America for some reason. Yes, exactly. That was the exact dialogue. What other Marvel characters?

What about the Fantastic Four? Yeah, I don't... Because they would go from swinging 60s to less swinging modern day. Yeah. Would you do like the ultimate version as well or any of that? No. Yeah. Because you know he turns bad, right?

Richards is a bad guy. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. What do you do definitive time periods for Fantastic Four? I mean, you do like Swinging Sixties, you do spousal abuse and that's your first issue. Yes. And then what else do you do? Do you do the robot?

I do the robot. Absolutely. Sure. Yeah. And then you, I don't know, whatever other things. Dr. Doom gets more and more insane and technologically advanced and you're like, this guy gets worse every year. Yes, exactly.

I don't know if Wolverine would work. Well, see, it's harder for long-lived characters and it's probably harder for less iconic characters. It works well for Spider-Man just because, you know. Well, he's always been very famous and even if, because in every decade of Spider-Man stories, there's enough good stuff in that decade where you go, you could base something around that.

I'm not saying other characters don't also have that, but he's got a lot of like, you could give me a Spider-Man decade and I could name the famous thing from that decade. That's true. And a lot of other characters, they'll be like, what did the Hulk do in the 80s?

I don't fucking know. He had that big mountain. I don't know. What did he do? He stabbed a lot of people. he stabbed a lot of people he stabbed a lot of people you could do cap wolf you could do punisher life story i guess yeah wasn't the punisher ages in real time he sort of does yeah it's it's kind of it's kind of vague but we're still in the era where he yes yeah that he he was a v Vietnam vet and then he's... So he's in his 60s now, I guess. But it depends on the artist

and it depends on what they need him to do for the story, I guess. You know who he could do? Who's that? Captain Marvel. Yeah. You take her through, you know, the origin of her powers, how she's like the girlfriend of the original Captain Marvel or whatever. Yeah, yeah.

And then how she becomes Ms. Marvel and then, you know, the rogue thing happens to her and she becomes her own kind of independent Captain Marvel character. I like it. Yeah. Or you could do the X-Men. I've heard of the X-Men. No, like the X-Men growing up.

So they start, some start as students and they grow up and they become teachers and some die and some keep whatever. I think the X-Men would be a good one to do. Yes. You know, you start with Magneto, you know, in the 50s and 60s as like an Auschwitz survivor and then go from there. It doesn't sound great.

I know it sounds like, that sounds bad. But I mean, like, I think there's some interesting stories within the X-Men that you could definitely tell really. How about Howard the Duck? He starts as a duck. How does he end? He continues being a duck. And he he end? He continues being a duck. And he gets switched out at some point.

Correct. He goes over to another universe. But that's a story for another day that we already did. I guess you could do Thor. You could do Donald Blake. But he's all, again, that long live thing you talk about. He's old, he's young, he's riding a ghost. Yeah, it also kind of doesn't work if the character never really gets,

I mean, if the character is still in the prime of their life 50 years later, it's just modern day Thor as an example, yeah. But I guess like Spider-Man's still in the prime of his life now, but they age him up for it. So you just make those adjustments. That's true, yeah. Whatever. Anyway, whatever.

But you wouldn't because it's Thor. Anyway, is that the end of the show? Yes. Or you've got something else? Well, we've got one email here. Maybe we'll talk about this next week. This might be the topic for next week. This is from Ivan.

He says, long emails ahoy. It's true. It is a very long email, but we'll dig out the meat of it. Keep it brief. Really enjoy the show. He says, our brewery recently closed down and switched to only delivery, so I've been listening to you guys a lot lately, and your wit and humor has greatly lifted my spirits in these trying and uncertain times.

You're very welcome. And it's good that, yes? I was just going to say, I was working past a bottle shop the other day. And this dude who was like, you know, mid-40s. He's probably got a thousand kids or whatever. He's walking up to the bottle. It's a good Friday. Bear that in mind.

And you see, like, you just need the six pack for the end of the day. It's locked because it's a good Friday. And I just see him just go, God fucking damn it. He just do himself and I'm like. Oh no. Yeah. Wow. And I wanted to be like, it's all closed.

It's Good Friday. What are you doing? Wow. Maybe it's a good time to quit drinking. No, he doesn't do that. You didn't do it because that's you in a year. Yeah, that's me in a year. That's you in a year.

You have a thousand kids. Anyway, so you guys should do an episode, a showdown featuring battles between two comic book movie characters played by the same actor. Yes. So as an example, it might be Ryan Reynolds has played both Deadpool and Green Lantern. So we play those guys off to each other and see who wins. So next week, guess what?

What? Superhero movie showdown, whatever we do. Or comic book showdown. I like it. We're going to do one of those. Suggestions based around that, let's say. Yes. But it's just also whatever you want.

If you can think of two compelling characters going up against each other, fictional characters, movie characters, comic book characters, characters from the TV show, the one we mentioned earlier, the weird one, that's set in the 90s and then they did a revival. It was famous. Okay, that's Navy? the nineties and then they did a revival. It was famous. No, Mason, we just talked about it. You're going to watch an episode this week. It's not worth me explaining it any further than this.

Twin Peaks. I knew. You son of a bitch. So yeah, next week, Superhero Showdown. I'm also going to take, I'm going to throw it up there on Patreon. So get them in there. Hit us up on Twitter. Send in an email.

As always, if you have a better idea, let us know. Yeah, just whatever. It's fine. Also, if you've got like a what-if scenario, one of the ones we often talk about is ultimatums. If you say like, what was the one again? Harrison Ford one? If you had to take away Harrison Ford's pilot's license or his earring,

which would you rather do? Yes, exactly. Because he'll fight you. He's done that one. Also, we prefer, but really whatever, interesting character mashups. So it's not like Ultimate Captain America versus regular Captain America or Movie Captain America versus Comic Book Captain America. It's like they're both Captain America.

I don't know. Or like Miles Morales Spider-Man versus a different Spider-Man. They're both Spider-Man. I don't know. So like interesting pairings I quite like. What we need ultimately is two characters that James, in his sleep deprived, I'm just about to have a baby mind,

cannot confuse during the matchup. Exactly. Because he will, and then he'll have to edit it down himself. People will email. I will not help. Consistently. I don't edit. So, yeah, that'll be next week.

Unless, of course, another thing. Unless a surprise movie comes out this week, which it won't. Anyway, is that the show? I think that's the whole show. Wrap it up. Thank you. He's given me the helicopter because we've got to get on our separate helicopters. I've got a big cane to hook him off stage with.

That's right. I've got to take cane to hook him off stage with. That's right. I've got to take a helicopter ride with one of the listeners tomorrow. So thank you, everybody, for continuing to listen. Yeah, we really appreciate it. We hope that everybody's getting through this strange time we live in. We hope we're helping out in some small way. That would be terrific. It's important to us that we think we're helping you.

Absolutely, because otherwise what are we doing we're adrift we're saying nonsense in the internet that's not helping anybody nah but it's helping a man

at a brewery that's right but not the man who went to the brewery and it was closed still funny it's good Friday why would it be open

what was he thinking stock up mate oh my god yeah you probably did anyway thank you everybody for listening

and for telling a friend and subscribing and giving us a nice review James do you have a nice review you know I do Mason it's as simple as doing it in app it really helps the show

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Huh. Well, you know him. He's your friend, isn't he? Yeah, he's got sticky bones. Okay, well, then you would know him better than us. Sticky bones. What's the opposite of having sticky bones? Unsticky bones.

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