The Weekly Planet - 34 Godzilla, The Batsuit + Best & Worse X-Men Movies Continued

Episode Date: May 19, 2014

This episode's all about Godzilla 2014, the brand new Batsuit and we continue our discussion on best and worst X-Men films.Fun. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Welcome back everyone to another episode of the Weekly Planet, official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com. My name is James, Junior Editor at that website. With me as always is my co-host, Nick Mason.

How are you? Good. Great. I decided we'd just play it straight this one. No jokes, no nothing. I think we should... Don't laugh.

I'm not laughing. Good. Was I laughing? Yeah, don't. Oh. Now I feel bad? Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

That's the best advice you've ever given me. Thank you. Okay, well... I've given a lot of good advice. Solid. One, don't eat yellow snow. Two...

Maybe do eat yellow snow. There we go. You've learned something. You've remembered. Thank you. I apologize for my voice as well. I don't know if people can hear, but my voice is ratchet. Uh-huh.

But I've got this cup of... What is that? Well, I stayed up last night making the X-Men review. Uh-huh. And I had a little bit of a sore voice before. Because we were just at the X-Men Days of Future Past premiere. We certainly were. Yeah.

And, uh... All the celebrities. Hugh Jackman. Peter Dinklage. Another person. The third one, yes. He seems like a nice lady but I can't remember her name.

Yes. We'll talk about that next week, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this, Mason, is a different episode this week. Uh-huh.

We're doing all sorts of shenanigans. Yep. We don't want to spoil Days of Future Past with people. No. Just yet. Mm-hmm. Or maybe't want to spoil Days of Future Past for people. No. Just yet.

Maybe we'll just drop in a random spoiler. Absolutely. Anywhere at some point during this episode we're going to tell you who lives and who dies. Anyway.

Anyway, Mason. The Batman suit. Excuse me if I'm drinking this tea. Mason, I apologise. Just to you. To nobody else. Alright, good.

What do you think? The new Batman suit. Yeah, there was a Zack Snyder release. That's right. It's only two years away. Yeah to you. To nobody else. What do you think? The new Batman suit. Yeah, there was a Zack Snyder released it. That's right. It's only two years away. Yeah, absolutely. He took a photo with his fancy Leica. Was that a Leica cross-promotion, do you think? No doubt. No doubt. Because otherwise you

wouldn't say. No, why would you? You'd just be like, this is a photo. He's never paying for a Leica again. I don't know what that is, though. It's a fancy camera. Why can't you just use your phone? Because then you wouldn't get sweet cross promotion good point uh anyway so it was uh he released a photo it's ben affleck as batman yep standing by the batmobile yep um yeah i really like the suit i hate the emblem well yes i we were talking about this briefly the other day they've clearly taken the emblem from the

dark knight strikes back right i mean returns and the dark knight strikes've clearly taken the emblem from the Dark Knight Strikes Back right I mean Returns and the Dark Knight Strikes Back that's the same emblem yeah yeah because that's the emblem that they used in the Superman Batman logo but it seems even bigger it does seem really big

it covers most of his chest and I think they've also thought well the Superman logo is really big yeah he won't be as big a superhero if we don't put the big logo on there

that's right yeah yeah so I mean do you like the it looks like kind of a Kevlar-y kind of suit doesn't it yeah I like it like with like the seams it's like kind of a Kevlar-y kind of suit, doesn't it? Yeah, I like it.

Like with the seams. It's a little bit... Who's it? Greg Capullo, who does the new one. And it's a little bit Jim Lee with the short ears. I know you hate the short ears, don't you? Look, maybe I'll be turned around on the short ears. We'll see, won't we?

This is the first short ears we've had since Batman Adam West. Really good point. What do you think of that? That's... Wow, you've... Yeah. You know what I think they should do? And I know it doesn't fit the real world tone.

You know, his cowl is kind of malleable, his mask in the comics. You could make it so it has a little bit of expression. You know the same way that Rorschach's mask kind of changes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a fraction, do you know what I mean? Because he's always, he's got that furrowed brow in it, it looks like. That's true, yeah. Why not have a little bit of expression in there?

Anyway, I think the costume looks great sure it's it's uh gauntlets belt yep belt boots

boots seams seams yeah it looks great the cape's connected to the mask yeah yeah and it looks like

it's got a bit of freedom and movement though normally when they do that it's uh there's no movement there yeah it doesn't look like a good cape

yeah yeah you know I've got I've had objections with a cape in the past yes yeah yes but of course that he does look very kind of dour and sad in that photo.

Yeah, yeah. And that has, of course, led to a lot of memes. If you just Google sad Batman, there's a lot of him. Like he's on a log ride. He's on a log ride, maybe. You know, he's standing in his kitchen. Yeah. And nobody's showing up to his party.

You know, there's a lot of those. He's standing next to sad Keanu. Listeners, if you want to send us your favorites, I would like to see those. Because I'm always a big fan of seeing where Sad Batman ends up. Also, he's... If somebody could Photoshop Sad Batman with Sad Keanu, that would be great. With Prancing Michael Cera? Yes, definitely, yeah.

Sure. And Prancing Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah. Just bring them all in, if you could. Thank you. Also, they've clearly got we're gonna make this Batman enormous like the Dark Knight yeah um returns uh-huh because he's like a hulking kind of monster in that comic yeah um not to say Christian Bale's one isn't a big Batman but he

looks like a much bigger like wider Batman that's very true yeah so yeah is Ben Affleck a wider man than Christian Bale I'd say he's probably broader I don't know if he's wider. But I think there's a bit of padding there. People say that maybe that's all him or whatever. I think there'd have to be some padding in there. But, you know. The Batmobile. Yeah. Like, we don't really see a lot of it.

We saw the back and there were some concept models released. The concept art, it looks more like, it looks like that concept art is real and that's what they've gone with. Yeah. It looks kind of like some sort of skiff. Yeah. Like a land speeder, like a Star Trek land speeder kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. It looks a bit Tumblr-esque as well at the back with the big chunky wheels and whatever.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it remains to be seen what the whole thing looks like. Only two years to go, folks, and we'll see what it looks like. Fantastic. Is it too early for this? A lot of people are saying it looks like the Gotham knight batmobile oh yeah yeah okay fair enough i can say that yeah well yeah two years that's a long time is it too early yes it really is

i'm hoping and it's not going to happen they go you know what we're going to put it out in 2015 we've changed our mind and whatever and that has never ever happened it's absolutely never happened yeah they'd be breaking the mold if they did it yeah that's it but you know don't you don't let your dreams be dreams i say mason oh yeah you know yeah all right also mason i don't know if you've heard this but an offer has been made to harrison ford to return to the blade runner franchise. Well, Blade Runner movie for the Blade Runner sequel. Blade Runner-ing. I can't believe we're doing more Blade Runner-ing.

Okay. If he is a replicant, Ridley Scott says that he is, Harrison Ford says that he isn't. I don't think Harrison Ford probably knows or cares. Absolutely. But does that mean replicants age? Or his style of replicant ages? What if they creepily de-age him? X-Men 3 style.

How about that? That would be pretty great. Pretty great, yeah. All right, so what's the plot? Because there's only ever been one. There was Duandra's Dream of Electric Sheep. And it turns out they do. Yeah, absolutely.

Spoiler alert. The story, which is not really... Like, it's quite different from the movie. Yeah. And then there was just the movie. There was a couple, you know, heaps of different directors, cuts and edits. And there's been some sequel books. Wasn't, isn't Soldier set in the same universe? It is set in the same universe.

Yeah, it is, yeah. So there's also been Soldier, I apologize. But there's been, I think there was two or three sequel novels. Okay. So I don't know, does it give us any clue as to whether they're adapting those? I don't think so. Or is the Blade Runner novel universe non-canon now? It's been bad luck for Harrison Ford and canonical book spin-offs, hasn't it?

They're going to wedge that and the Star Wars Expanded Universe just in the same cabinet. Because who cares, you know? Just wedge them together. I don't think there's any word on it. I think the only thing is like the company responsible, I think it's Alcon Entertainment, is like,

it's a great story, what a great time to renew the franchise. Uh-huh, yeah. Like that's pretty much it. Uh-huh. And I believe them. Yeah.

Do you think they can say any more? You know, the themes of what it means to be human and stuff like that. Do you think they kind of said it all in the first one? They said a lot of it. Maybe they're going to say something else. They might say something else. You're right.

Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Now, Mason, this has been a big week for finales of comic book shows. Sure. Did you watch the season finale of Arrow? It's on my iPad right here, but I haven't watched it. I've been real busy.

I also haven't. No, I don't. I didn't watch it either. Because on Thursday we went and saw Godzilla. Friday we saw X-Men. We're now doing this on Saturday. Two movies in a week. Yeah.

That's insanity. Too much. It's too much classic, good old-fashioned entertainment. Isn't it though? So I'm looking forward to it. I heard it's a pretty good finale. So I don't really have any opinion on it other than it was a pretty good season as of so far, unless they botch up the finale, in which case, what a terrible season.

Yep. Way to take all that potential and throw it all away. Good work at the CW. I did watch the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. finale, though. Uh-huh, yep. And that was pretty good. It definitely got stronger. I'm looking forward to what they do next season.

They've replaced, well, spoiler alert, I guess, Grant with an equally bland other guy. Now, Grant was Jake Chisel. Jake Chisel, sorry. Thank you. I didn't know it yet. That's how much I've grown to invest myself in the show, Mason. I remember his name. Wow.

So, yeah. I would say check it out, Mason, or just watch the Arrow. I'll probably just do that, yeah. You're doing that now. No, actually what I'm doing is because somebody pointed out, I read the first sense of an Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. recap recently, and they said that people are being pursued by deathlocks. Yes.

He's a recurring, is it J. August Richard is playing? Yeah, but there's kind of a death lock program. There's been a few death locks. Do they look good? Well, they look good, and sometimes they'll get you in a death lock. So they've got two things from the comics. Wow. You know what?

Pretty good. Pretty good for TV. Is this it? Yeah. That's it, yeah. He doesn't look very death locky. Well, do you want me to draw on the iPad? If you could, yeah.

Thank you, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, I guess he's not... I want something. I want like a... locky well um do you want me to draw on the ipad and if you could yeah thank you yeah yeah yeah yeah well i mean i guess i want something i want like a heart does one of them have a half a face and the robot oh it's not death locks in that sense it just means there's been a few over time and he's like the latest one but he's the one with a half a face with the robot he's got the scarred half face and a robot eye well that, that's okay. All right. Fair enough. But it just looks like a regular eye. Namor actually wrote in

the real Namor from Atlantis which they say that Universal is going to make a movie of. They say they're gearing up for it. That was a rumor this week because they're like

we've got a big property coming. Hold your horses. We'll tell you later. But he wanted to know what our thoughts are on The Walking Dead both comic and TV show. We haven't talked much about it.

I'm a bit behind on the comics, and I've watched all the episodes of Walking Dead. You haven't seen... I'm 100% behind on both comic and TV series. I'd like to do one of the... Although once I played the... I was away with some friends, and we played the Walking Dead board game. That must have been a really good weekend away. It was great, except for the Walking Dead board game, which was have been a really good weekend away. It was great except for the Walking Dead board game,

which was awful. Also, I was on a winery tour and so I was quite drunk and it's a really complicated game. I bet it is. No, don't. Do you roll the dice to get points to get hits? You roll so many dice. So many dice and so many tokens.

You've got to collect so many little resource, little badge things. Sounds're going to collect so many little like little resource little badge things. Sounds like going to work. This is a lot like going to work. You know what also sucks? My job is a Walking Dead board game play tester. So what sucks

besides the Walking Dead board game? Monopoly. Listen, I apologize if your favorite board game is the Walking Dead board game. Please don't email in saying give it a chance. I'm not going to give it a chance.

I don't like board games in general. not a fan. Especially Monopoly, because it brings out the worst in people and it goes forever and it sucks. And you've got to have that real killer instinct to win. Right, right, right. You've got to be a real prick. I am a real prick, but I'm also lazy. Yeah, I know.

I'm more of a fan of Monopoly now. I haven't played it in a while, but I imagine I would be more of a fan of it now. Because you can just do other stuff while Monopoly is happening. Oh, okay. You can just buy stuff on the internet while it's happening. Good point. Tweet, Facebook update, you know. Maybe we should do a Monopoly episode.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, when they do Lego Monopoly the movie, the video game, we'll review that. We'll do a whole episode on it. Yeah, yeah. I had a copy of it. My brother had a copy of the Star Wars monopoly game on um computer and it cheated like the it would it would roll the computer would roll exactly what it needed every time that is fascinating yeah yeah it's like playing against you know your dumb ass brother who cheats which is my brother yeah yeah like when you play a like a

starcraft or something like that and there's the fog of war and you don't know where everything is but the computer does like it obviously knows where everything is yeah talking about board games yeah I've started receiving because you know

Facebook seems to learn everything about you even if you don't tell it well I've been emailing them on your behalf oh thank you about all my all the things that I like

I keep getting ads in my Facebook feed for Marvel Chess oh really it's a Marvel Chess set but it's one of those ones where you have to know how to play chess well it's that but also it's one of those ones where you have to know how to play

chess well it's that but also it's like a subscription thing where you you know the first one's like two bucks oh and you get the board and you're like oh this is my pretty good bug and then every piece like you buy a piece a week and it's like 20 bucks or something god it's the heroine of board games the heroine of board games exactly yeah but they get you hooked you're like oh i can move this. You're there in your dark, empty room, just with a board and, like, one pawn, like it's Daredevil,

and you're like, oh, I can move this one space at a time. Oh, this is exciting. It's just chess, you know what I mean? I don't understand what's the appeal. I guess it's a collector's thing, I guess. Yeah, yeah. They seem to be die-cast. They're lead-free die-cast miniatures.

Okay. Well, in answer to Namor's initial question, though, we will do a Walking Dead episode one on the comic and show at some point. Will I have to watch some of the Walking Dead? Sure. You can do that. I'll read some of the Walking Dead. Sure.

I can do that. Absolutely. And as for the show, I think it's okay. I think it squanders a lot of the material from the comic, but I think it's okay. I guess that's the episode. Fantastic. We mostly talked about board games. Yeah, yeah. Now the episode. Fantastic. We mostly talked about board games. Yeah, yeah.

Now, Mason. Yes. Seeing as we're talking about movie to comic TV, no. We were talking about Marvel chess, all right? It's what this episode is going to continue to be about. We're talking about... Guess who the White King is. The Snow...

Emma Frost. I think it's Captain America yeah okay yeah and Captain Marvel is the white coin hmm yeah oh that's um fascinating that's all I can remember anyway continue what are we talking about well

we're talking about comics to TV I guess yep we just saw a trailer this week a five-minute extended promo for The Flash. Yeah, we did. So, are you excited for The Flash movie?

Shut up, idiot. You're not getting it. What do you think of the TV show? It looks pretty good. Okay. But I've said that before. I've said that before, but then again, I enjoy Arrow. Yeah.

And I like that guy. I think in the two episodes we saw of him in Arrow, he acquitted himself quite well. Sure. He's a likable character. He is, yeah. We've seen a couple of the support characters in Arrow since then. They've sort of done a little cross-promotion. He's got his little wacky team.

Yeah, they've tested out the wacky team to see if people enjoy the wacky team. And presumably if nobody did, they would replace him with additional wacky team. They'd replace him Ellen style where her wacky friends in season one were replaced by different wacky friends in season two. They all died, right? Yeah, they died. That's how they did it. Yeah, Ellen killed them all. Also got Ed from TV shows.

Ed. Yeah, it does, yeah. Tom Cavanash? Tom Cavanar. Tim Cavano. Tim Cav... Also part of Mike and Tom Eat Snacks, which is a podcast where Tom Cavanar

and Michael Ian Black from the TV series Ed eat snacks and rate the snacks. Are you serious? It's a great podcast. That's amazing. You should listen to it. I love both those guys. I don't know if they've done it recently.

I haven't listened to it recently, but it's super fun. Sure. What else? It's a show about a man with superhuman speed, so the superhuman speed effect has to look pretty good. Yep. And it looks okay. Yeah.

I thought the same thing. Yeah, yeah. I think they've kind of, they've done the right thing to kind of throw some lightning and some blur kind of and some smoky kind of stuff around it. I know we haven't talked about, we're not going to talk about Days of Future Past. We are not. But there's some, we know Quicksilver's in that. Without any spoilers, Quicksilver is in that.

Yeah. The super speed effects in that are pretty spectacular. Yes. We mocked it, Mason. We mocked, we certainly mocked his outfit and I will continue to mock his outfit. Yeah, that. Yeah. The super speed effects in that are pretty spectacular. Yes. We mocked it, Mason. We certainly mocked his outfit, and I will continue to mock his outfit. Yeah, that's dance. When we do the episode where we talk about it, I'm going to mock his outfit in the future, but it's a really good super speed effect.

I completely agree. 48 frames per second, that one, Mason. Oh, there you go. Hobbit style? Hobbit style. Hobbit style. Great. Remember those super speed effects in The Hobbit?

I remember. We were sitting right in the front row as great. Remember all those super speed effects in The Hobbit? I remember. We were sitting right in the front row as well. Remember with the Silmarillion? There's a super speed jump? I don't know what that means. I don't know what any of that means. We were sitting in the very, very front row. If that had been in 3D, we would have vomited.

Absolutely, yeah. On one another, on the people sitting next to us. Yep, absolutely. All right. We also saw... Oh, so Flash trailer. Looks pretty good next to us. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. All right. We also saw... Oh, so Flash trailer. It looks pretty good, I guess. It's pretty good.

He's not blonde, Mason. Isn't he supposed to be a blondie or brown hair guy? Or light brown? That's all I'm saying. Yeah, okay, fine. That's all I'm saying. You can have two blonde guys, though.

I'm warming to the costume. Yeah, exactly. I'm warming to the costume. I still don't love it. Yep. Fair enough. Maybe in motion it'll look really. I still don't love it. Yep. Fair enough. Maybe in motion it'll look really great. You saw it in motion.

Yeah. Did you see that concept art for the... Not concept art, but there was a video released for the Flash video game. You could really flash in these balls, but also run really fast. Okay. Go to comicbookmovie.com, Mason. Check it out. Okay.

Yeah. There's also a trailer, Mason, for Interstellar, which we actually saw at the Days of Future Past. We did see that, yeah. We said we weren't going to talk about Days of Future Past, but we have. So an awful lot, yeah. What did you think of Interstellar? Was there enough corn and sadness? There was a lot of corn and sadness, certainly.

There was a lot of people being zipped up in a water filled baggies. Look, I'm not impressed yet. Yep. What have we seen? We haven't seen anything. I remember seeing the Inception trailer and being like, I have no idea what that's about, but wow. Exactly.

Spinny, spinny room. Exactly. Spinny room. He's fighting a guy in a spinny room. I thought they looked great. Yeah. Yeah. But so far I've got nothing on this.

Me too. Look, I have a certain amount of faith in Christopher Nolan. Mm-hmm. I liked Memento and Inception and other films that he's done. Yep. But... The one with Al Pacino and Robin Williams, where Robin Williams is a serial killer.

Insomnia. Oh. It sucks. Okay, I've said it. Yeah, I don't know. I have faith in it. Me too. It will be good on some level,

but I'd like to see something. Sure. That isn't just we're going into space. Maybe we're saving the planet. Maybe we're going to another planet. Yeah. Well, look, I'm glad Matthew McConaughey's in it, though. He's a sweet, sweet dude.

And he seems really chill. He does seem really chill. Even when the Earth is at stake, he's real chill. And also, Mason, I guess we should talk about The brand new Transformers trailer You love Optimus Prime's new look No I don't We've discussed this

He looks like They've teased this With the cartoon truck version of him But then we see the new trailer And he's back to being Weird hot rod flames guy with the extended engine cab thing

and blah bitty blah and as we've discussed I don't like it and as we've discussed before though the reason they didn't do it that way originally because

there's not enough bulk in that truck right except for the trailer yes except for the trailer and the fact that there are Transformers in this universe

that can increase and decrease their mass exactly including that giant cube the giant cube in the first film, yeah, exactly. Which decreased its mass quite significantly. So much so that even Shia LaBeouf could carry it. And he's weak as piss.

Anyway, that's back. We'll discuss, talk about the trailer. Looks good. But they look, I like Stanley Tucci. We see a lot more. No, that's okay. It's fine. We do like Stanley Tucci we see a lot more sorry no that's okay it's fine we do see the Tucci we see the Tucci

he's looking good I call him the golden Tucci yeah because he's got the golden Tucci you know it he's got the Midas Tucci sorry I haven't had a lot of sleep no that's alright

yeah we still don't really know what's happening in the film no which is probably for the best well the Transformers are outlaws. Yeah, yeah. Is Galvatron gun face? I guess Galvatron is gun face, yeah.

Why doesn't he just have a gun? Wouldn't it be easier? Yeah. Because then you have to change your face into a gun. Then you're faceless. Yep, true. I mean, I don't know much, Mason, but I know that's stupid. It's kind of stupid, isn't it?

You couldn't kiss your kids? Would you leave for work? Are you afraid you'd shoot their face off? So, yeah, I think that's the news for this week, Mason. Yeah, hang on. Something else

happened in the Transformers trailer. Look, I watched it yesterday or the day before. I don't know. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. There's the giant lizard again. Again, it looks like

they've learned their lesson. All the characters are distinctly coloured now so you can tell them apart. But I still have a feeling that when we go in, most of the action is going to be nonsensical. Yes. Because there seems to be a lot of human action in the trailer. There's a lot of people running and fist fighting, but not a lot of actual Transformers.

You know what I would love to see? This is in the Transformers movie. They're like human Transformer suits. So you put on on the transformer suit and you can transform into a car it's a human suit that transforms into a car but it doesn't break your bones right okay like that would be the that would be the kicker then yeah yeah wouldn't you like to say that that'd be good yeah because that hasn't been done i don't think so yeah so we got mighty wolf and power rangers coming we got Mighty Wolf and Power Rangers coming We got Transformers coming We got Those two things coming Great That's a year for us

That's right Well Mason It's time to move forward Okay With our lives Let's talk about Okay Alright

We're quitting this podcast We're coming accountants That's right For serious Let's get serious No Godzilla We saw that on Thursday night. We did.

We sure did. Thank you for picking me up and then going to see that. No problem. I appreciate it. I read the, I told you this, the prequel comic Godzilla Awakening. Because I'm not as familiar with the Godzilla story. Hang on, are we reviewing this or are we discussing it? What's the difference?

Like spoilers? Are we spoilering this? Okay, how about we go general thoughts and then bam. Because there's really not a lot you can talk about without no spoiler but at the same time this is another one of those films where it's sort of spoiler proof there's not really yeah we know where it's going to end up that's right yeah godzilla becomes an accountant he gets on with his life yeah yeah i read the uh the prequel comic godzilla awakening before which tells a very similar story to the movie well i was going to say you explained the prequel comic Godzilla Awakening before Which tells a very similar story to the movie Well I was going to say you explained the prequel story to me

And it does seem And then it happened Yeah it sort of was a rehash It was sort of like the events Events in the past happen Godzilla battles some things Yep Movie starts

It's essentially the retread right? Yes Yeah Pretty much Would you prefer If people could only do one thing, would they spend $12 on the prequel comic book, or would they spend $20 at the movies? I think you've got to go to the movies. You've got to go to the movies, exactly. That was a trick question. If you'd said prequel

comic book, I would have said you're an idiot, because as we know, comic books are for nerds. That's right. It's not a bad prequel comic by any stretch, but I will say that it is not required reading by any stretch. Is it in Japanese manga style? No. That's disappointing. I sort of... I can resketch it if you want.

Thank you. I sort of pictured it in sort of black and white. No, not at all. Because the Cloverfield prequel comic was manga style. Really? Yeah. Wasn't the secret in Cloverfield that there was a monster? That was the secret.

Yeah, you're right. Yeah. They got us. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, this is expected, though, a $90 million opening weekend. Is that good? I've lost all track.

Well, it's weird because it's bad for Spider-Man because Spider-Man costs a lot. Right. But also the reason why it affects Spider-Man so badly. Speaking of Spider-Man, Max Landis tweeted that thing about Spider-Man, because Spider-Man cost a lot. Right. But also, the reason why it affects Spider-Man so badly... Speaking of Spider-Man, Max Landis tweeted that thing about Spider-Man, and maybe it's gone back to Marvel and blah, blah, blah. News! What was his source? Well, I don't know.

Well, he's in the industry, I guess. But then he said... Didn't he say, oh, something Spider-Man, something that he's like, oh, I shouldn't have tweeted that. Yeah. So, it's maybe just lies. It could be. Yeah, exactly.

I'm not really fussed. But look, you know what? If it did go back at this point just quickly on Spider-Man even if Spider-Man I think it's going to hit 600 million worldwide or something like that

or it's about to hit 600 million which is a lot but Spider-Man Sony don't get the rights to anything else other than the movie so any toys

games comics anything else associated goes to Marvel so maybe if every Spider-Man movie is going to make less and less from now on, maybe they are looking to sell it back. You were saying this is potentially the most expensive movie of all time?

That was X-Men. Second. But Spider-Man in marketing alone, I don't know if you saw any of the marketing material, Mason. No. Really? Oh, like the trailers and such. The trailers and on the sides of the buses and the ads and the video games. And that time Emma Stone harassed you in the street?

Yeah, that was weird, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Say my movie, she said. And I'm like, oh, which one? You're quite prolific. Congratulations on getting so much work. And she's slapping me.

It's weird. No, yeah. So what they say is, don't they say that a movie will cost, say, $250 million and then the marketing will be about equal to that? That's what they say. So everything's, you know, $250 million is really a half a billion dollar movie. Yeah, yeah. So you're right.

So if this movie cost $300 million and maybe it did, that's $600 million all up. Yeah. If it made $600 million, it broke even. Yes. I mean, but then you've got Blu-ray sales. Right, right. I guess. So that's

something digital downloads yes yep as we all love that yeah but i mean it's the same you know i don't want to talk about spider-man exactly we're done with it it's done for a few years let's stop talking about spider-man i think the only thing that could get spider-man back on board is if they do something different maybe it'll be the sinister six movie yeah yeah with spider-man or maybe it's gonna be you're gonna have to team up do something different. Maybe it'll be the Sinister Six movie with Spider-Man or maybe you're going to have to team up with somebody else. Yeah.

Maybe it'll be Gotham style. It'll be Peter Parker the TV series where he doesn't have any powers and he's a nerd. I want Ben Parker

the TV series about his boring dad. Absolutely. For some reason the focus is... You know what would be great? Not Ben. Ben Parker.

No, it's Richard Parker right that's alright I would like to see Uncle Ben the TV series where he gets into unnecessary scrapes all the time

like in the style of Spider-Man where he just intervened for no reason and got shot yeah like it'd just be a series of that like every week

like somebody would be rude to a cashier at a supermarket and be like, hey you! And you think this is the week. You think this is the week, but he gets through every week by the skin of his teeth, he doesn't die. But we say maybe it's set in a parallel universe, so maybe he could die.

Oh man. Anyway, let's stop talking about Spider-Man for a minute. Yeah, let's do it. So yeah, with Godzilla though, Mason, did it meet your expectations? But I've presumed there that you had any expectations. You know, it did. The difficulty with this kind of movie is that I don't know what I want with it kind of thing.

Yep, okay. Like, it's not... I don't have a huge investment in Godzilla of the past. No. Like, I've seen the first one and snippets of some of the others, I think. Yeah. And, like, with a comic book movie, I know how I want the character to be portrayed.

I want to know how, like, I have specific ideas about what characterisation I want. Yep. You know, what storylines I want to see, that sort of thing. You do? You've got thoughts on texture? I do have thoughts on texture, costume and so forth. But with this, I don't really have anything. So I think all I wanted it to be was better than the 1998 Godzilla film.

And it was. Yep. Much better. It was much better. Yeah. Infinitely better. You didn't think that maybe it was a little bit slow? Well, it was a little bit slow.

That's a common complaint. Yeah. I think... Is it spoiler to say how long it took before Godzilla appeared? No. You know what? Let's just say... Let's just spoil from now on.

Okay, good. Like you said, you can't really spoil. No, exactly. Look, it was probably an hour before Godzilla appeared. Yeah. But at the same time, do you want Godzilla to appear in the first five minutes and just have him smash and stuff for two hours? Yeah.

Good point. No, not really. No, not at all. You want a certain amount of anticipation. You want a certain amount of build-up, right? Because otherwise, you know, it'll be weird. And he's kind of a one-trick pony. He is.

He smashes stuff for a bit, and then he stops smashing stuff. For a bit. Yeah, for a bit. Yeah, fair point. But for me, I wasn't necessarily bored, but I didn't find the human characters that engaging. Again, spoiler alert, Bryan Cranston dies like 20 minutes in. Right. He gets Godzilla'd?

No, he gets... Evil Godzilla'd. The Evil Godzilla's game. Yeah, he gets Evil Godzilla'd. But, yeah, the human... Because it's really quite difficult, I don't know about you, but for me it's quite difficult to relate to a several hundred story tall giant monster that just smashes the city. Like, we've all been there, but very rarely.

And so we have to relate to the human story. Yeah. And the human story in these films is always very dull. What did you say the least surprising thing was when it turned out that his wife was a nurse? Because it's always a nurse, right? Yeah. She's always a nurse or maybe a teacher. Yeah. Kind of thing. And then she's got to's always a nurse or maybe a teacher kind of thing.

And then she's got to look after some kids or some wounded or something like that. Yeah, absolutely. And they get separated by time and distance. Yep. And he's got to get back to her.

Like, it's fine, but... Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty standard. I thought the shame of it was that Bryan Cranston's son as the kid was probably the least annoying kid character I've seen in a film.

But he only gets about five minutes of screen time and then he becomes an adult. And then we've got to deal with his wiener kid. Yeah, that's right. His dumb wiener kid, who I thought was much more annoying. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He had a weird little face.

Yeah, yeah. They should have gotten that dumb wiener kid to be Aaron Taylor Johnston's child self and then had the other kid be his actual child. The non-wiener kid. Yeah, the non-wiener kid in the present. Did you think it was odd that similar to Jaws 4 The Revenge, the destruction of Godzilla and the monsters who Godzilla fights

followed Aaron Taylor Thompson around, whatever his name is, like Jaws the Revenge. Yeah, it was a little weird. Like wherever he went, that monster who, what's the Muto, the bad one? Muto, yeah. Would be there.

But technically he was chasing them. Not really, because he went back to San Francisco to save his wife or whatever. Oh, and it went to San Francisco, yeah. And it went to San Francisco. And he's on that, he's like,

I'm going to go to the airport with this Japanese boy or whatever. Oh, and it went to San Francisco, yeah. And it went to San Francisco and he's on that, he's like, I'm gonna go to the airport with this Japanese boy or whatever and then that thing happens to come across his path. Uh-huh. Like, it just keeps happening. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

Alright, so I think we've decided characterization, not good. Storyline, probably not good. Let's talk about other stuff, though. I didn't mind Jaws 4. I know people say... Let's not talk about Jaws 4 Okay You know what I thought was really amusing

What's that? At a kind of It was a letdown But it was a funny letdown When Godzilla first faces the Muto in the city And you're like This is going to be incredible And then all they do is show brief news clips

Of this incredible battle That's true And then afterwards they're like That was pretty full on Did everybody see the battle? All they do is show brief news clips of this incredible battle. That's true, yeah. And then afterwards they're like, that was pretty full on. Did everybody see the battle? And that's it. Yeah, we didn't. No. You know what though?

If we're talking effects, let's talk about Godzilla. Yeah. He looks incredible. Absolutely. And bold choice. In his first appearance, it's daytime. Yeah. That's never happened before.

No. They wouldn't have dared to do it's daytime. Yeah. That's never happened before. No. They wouldn't have dared to do that in 1998 because he would have looked like... Much worse than he did. He would have looked like an N64 character, like a sprite. Just all polygons. Yeah, all polygons, exactly. Face of Super Mario. But they were like, look, we have faith in this computer generated thing.

Yeah. Let's put it out there in the daytime and it'll look really good. And you know what? And I think, you know what, helped with that? Oh, we did mention as well the other day that the CGI water, it's not there, is it?

They still haven't done it. I don't understand. You can still... I mean, water's hard to replicate. I guess so, yeah. I've tried to replicate it. I've drawn this picture. Oh!

It's pretty good. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, but he himself looked incredible. And I think what helped was a lot of the time you would see him from the ground perspective or where the humans were standing. Like there wasn't a lot of until the end shots where you pull right back and you see him. So you really got a sense of scale.

Yeah. Like he is enormous. Like in the other Godzilla, he seemed to change size. He did, yeah. And he probably didn't change size, but it felt that way because sometimes it pulled right back and sometimes it was in and sometimes he's right next to Matthew Broderick or whatever. Right, exactly, yeah. It's true, yeah. Like the bit where he comes out from under the bridge, the San Francisco bridge, and he's just enormous.

Exactly, yeah. It's incredible. Yeah. I think they got the Godzilla scream right. They absolutely did. That was pretty intense. You do a pretty good Godzilla scream, don't you? That's it, right? Nailed it. That was pretty intense. You do a pretty good Godzilla scream, don't you? That's it, right?

Nailed it. Okay, thank you. What about the Muto? Yeah, look, I didn't think that design was that interesting of a monster. Comparatively, he was less impressive than Godzilla, but I guess that's the idea. And also, I think that if he'd faced off against another dinosaur type creature. That wouldn't have been that interesting. Yeah, you're right.

I think they saw another kind of humanoid shaped thing. I think they had to go with additional arms and legs and wings and kind of creepy alien-esque kind of thing. He did strike me as a combination of the Cloverfield monster. Yeah. And, well, we've just had Pacific Rim. We have. overfilled monster yeah and well we've just had pacific rim we have and it was odd i thought that he had an electromagnetic pulse weapon and that was a huge plot point of the last one is yeah a pacific rim is that one of the monsters developed an electromagnetic pulse that's right

yeah that's exactly and i think we did discuss this i know what you're gonna say yeah it's the first it's one of the first movies i think where somebody has an employed has employed an emp yeah and nobody has had to explain to us the dumb dumb audience what an emp is yeah oh it's an electromagnetic well it produces an electromagnetic pulse within a certain radius that disrupts all electronic devices within a certain rate right but that would mean we'd lose all the computers and communications yeah yes that's why it's a problem for us. Yes. We know it.

We know that's a thing now. Like, as the movie going public as a whole, we know that's what it does because we've seen dozens of movies where that's been explained. Well, I think the first time I was exposed to that in a movie was Ocean's Eleven. Yep. And I immediately get that. Yeah, yeah.

I'll never need to have that explained to me ever again. But then, you know what? And again, I've get that. Yeah, yeah. I'll never need to have that explained to me ever again. But then, you know what? And again, I've said this. If they're going to explain an EMP in a movie, they should say, look, it's an electromagnetic pulse. It breaks down. It shuts down computer systems, like in all those movies you've seen

where somebody uses an EMP. And then the people in the movie would go, oh, that's right. I live in the world. I've seen those movies. I get it now. But yeah, like we saw how it worked. Yep.

It was implied how it worked. You know, it's interesting. They didn't necessarily talk down to us throughout the course of the movie. No. Like when the female Muto gets pregnant. Yeah. We see that it has some sort of egg sack. Yeah.

They don't go, oh, it's going to give birth to lots more of those monsters. That's a really good point. It's going to overwhelm the world. I certainly hope Godzilla destroys this thing because otherwise we're all in a lot of trouble

and it will cause our extinction. Right? We get it. Yeah. We see how much damage three monsters can do. Yep. We know what...

We've seen aliens. We know what a nest of monsters does. We know what a nest of monsters is. We know what a nest of monsters is. We know that if there were hundreds of them, they'd probably destroy us all. Yeah. So we get it. We understand the stakes.

We don't have to explain the stakes. Really good point. Yeah. Wow. Thank you. This movie's maybe better than I realized. Yeah, I know, right? Now that I talk about it.

Not that I didn't enjoy it at the time. I absolutely did. Uh-huh. Now, what I found really odd... Yes. Not odd. Maybe you could... This is something that I found really odd. Yes. Not odd. Maybe you could. This is something that I found amusing.

At the end of the movie, Godzilla and the Muto fight in San Francisco and they batter it to dust. They do. There is very little left. Yeah. And then when Godzilla does the thing where he kills him, which we'll talk about in a bit. Yeah, yeah. Because that's a whole other thing. He leaves the city and everybody cheers.

That's true. If I was there, I'd be like, you had a big hand in that. What just happened there? You are equally big as the other one. Why are we cheering for you? Exactly. We don't...

They don't know that that other one laid eggs. Yeah, in order to... In order to cheer for Godzilla, everybody in San Francisco would have had to have all the military intelligence that we had seen to know that Godzilla was hunting the monsters to stop them.

Yes. But they don't know that. No. As far as they know, three giant monsters have shown up and have just flattened the city. You're right. Yeah. Let's talk about destruction, though. But as you said, though, if Superman can flatten a city and be called a hero, why can't Godzilla?

Yeah, exactly. That's very true. If we're talking about destruction, good, solid destruction, what I thought was interesting is that a lot of people died. Yes. It wasn't a case of everybody got to shelters very quickly.

Some people got to shelters. A few people got to shelters. There's a scene in Hawaii where Godzilla comes out of the depths in order to take on these monsters. And I thought that was good where physics took effect where he came out of the ocean

and it caused a tidal wave. But it was interesting, I thought, that the little girl sees that the monsters, you know, the Godzilla's arriving. Her and her mum and dad run away. Yeah. They get in like a store.

They close the door. And then we just see the tidal wave just batter hundreds of people, presumably to death. There's no way all those people... No. It just swooshes past this tidal wave and it just gathers hundreds of people up in its wake. They all drowned or were crushed to death. There's no way out for those people. Yeah.

Maybe they all survived because everybody cheered at the end. Oh, that's a really good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I thought was interesting as well? There was a dog that broke its lead and escaped. Uh-huh. And I thought, oh my God, they're going to kill the dog. But you don't see the dog die.

So they didn't break the cardinal rule of filmmaking. You can't kill a dog. You can kill lots of people. Yeah. But not a dog. Kill as many people as you want yeah yeah also did you notice

with Godzilla he compared to the other monster when it would land or go through something it would just swat a building aside or like

or land on top of it and crumble the top of it Godzilla would carefully like tiptoe around the building that's true he would never he would never destroy

a building unless he was like he was being thrown into a building yeah yeah that's a good point yeah so he's a better person he was being thrown into a building. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point, yeah. So he's a better person than Superman. Yeah, he's a real gentleman. He should have had a big bow tie, don't you think?

Absolutely, yeah. Or a little compared to him, but you know what I mean. Yeah, I understand, yeah. Sure. The Atomic Breath, though. I know one of your things going in was like, I only want to see the Atomic Breath, nothing else matters. Because as we know, and if you haven't seen the 1998 godzilla well classic godzilla from the you know the japanese version

has sort of an atomic fire laser breath yeah like that's an iconic part of him all the spines on his back light up yeah and then he breathes this fire yeah and in the 1998 godzilla we were sort of probably see him breathe fire in the trailer and then when we go in there's no fire breath he just screams really hard near a gas main and there's some fire and it was bitterly

disappointing and I hate everyone involved in that film but in this one he's got it it's back. What is interesting I keep saying maybe these things aren't interesting. They're interesting to me. Sure. Maybe not to our listeners, but whatever.

I'm not here for them. No, I am. That we don't get any foreshadowing that he can do that. No. If you never... Like, we all know that he can do that. Yeah. Because it's Godzilla.

Sure. But I assume there are millions of people out there who have no concept of what Godzilla is. No. You would be completely taken aback by that. Yeah. Like, you see the spines light up about, you know, 20 seconds before that happens. But I feel there should have been some sort of foreshadowing earlier on in the film. Yeah.

So we know he can do that. Like an EMP style. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. That's a fair point. Because I guess, yeah, for us, we just assume that he would do that. Like an EMP style. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Okay, that's a fair point

because I guess, yeah, for us, we just assumed that he would do that. Yeah. But yeah, being that he is

just a lizard, essentially, why can he do that? Yeah. So yeah, that's a good point. But it was really, I thought it was

really awesome though, especially the way that he killed that last one. For those who haven't seen it, he pries open its mouth and atomic breaths down its throat until it's tend until until the tendons of its neck sort of burn away and then he

tears its head off and drops it into san francisco bay like a champ like a champion exactly and that was incredible so uh yeah what i thought interesting i'm gonna stop saying interesting because maybe it's not interesting it wasn't the battles weren't as visceral as I thought they could be. In what sense? Like, there was very little blood. There was very little kind of... That's true, yeah. Monster slime.

There was a lot of Godzilla being bitten on the neck by these Muto creatures. But you'd never see him... You'd never really see him bleed at all, I think. That's true. Maybe that's got something to do with the rating. Maybe, yeah. Though Pacific Rim had a lot of kind of goo and that's true it did exactly yeah yeah i don't know i don't know what to make of that exactly yeah i thought i thought

the combat was lacking in that we didn't really want flesh torn off yeah i kind of want flesh torn off i want to see some blood so we know that there are stakes involved yeah like otherwise they could just we they could just be battering each other for weeks yeah well that's right exactly and when he kind of goes down and you think he's dead it's not clear what what had done that yes exactly because he got bit yep because he got bit yeah because he got bit by a dog yeah that dog from earlier that had rabies i've just got i've just got here look it does everything a god godzilla movie should do i thought you were gonna say it does everything a goddamn godzilla movie should do yeah it's got it does everything a godzilla movie should do eventually like it

eventually does it yeah it takes its time i think next time if they do a sequel they're gonna have to speed that up because they've now revealed what he can do and the battles or whatever. And that's pretty much it. Yeah. So what do you do, though, next time? What would you see? I've got here also, what would you see him fight next or do next? Yeah.

Well, I also thought it would have been good to see some kind of sort of additional scope, like some sort of preview of another monster okay that maybe he's on the way for him yeah like maybe we've we've you know humanity somehow awakened more of these creatures like shack like when yeah no but charles barkley yeah exactly like charles barkley takes up like in the in the post credits he takes a potion he's like oh this is a refreshing energy drink for good old Charles Barkley yeah and he's like

no and then he starts growing out of his house or whatever yeah because potentially we won't see another monster

in this universe for another 50,000 years that's true yeah yeah when is the pre-comic set 80s

okay yeah okay something like that yeah but the reason that it comes about That's true, yeah, yeah. When is the pre-comic set? 80s. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Something like that, yeah. But the reason that it comes about is because of nuclear testing. That awakens them in the 50s. In the 50s, yeah. And then something happens.

So, I mean, we could not see one. And Godzilla, as I understand, is potentially millions of years old. Well, it could be an alien force. It could be an alien force, yeah. It could be Mechagodzilla. Yeah. I would like to see some sort of years old. Well, it could be an alien force. It could be an alien force, yeah. It could be Mechagodzilla. Yeah. I would like to see some sort of private enterprise. Now that the secret has been revealed,

I would like to see some sort of private enterprise, like a corporation, attempt to harness Godzilla for their own ends. Yeah. Then we could see a Mechagodzilla. Absolutely. Or some sort of Jager kind of Pacific Rim kind of thing, attempting to take down Godzilla. That would be cool. And being destroyed, having Rim kind of thing. Yeah. And taking the takedown Godzilla.

That would be cool. And being destroyed. Having its head torn off. Yes. Would be good, right? He should have really used that atomic fire breath much earlier. Maybe it's like a one shot kind of thing. Or a two shot kind of thing.

Because he used it twice. It's a two shot kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. This is unrelated, Mason. But I was at work and I was sitting having my lunch. Great. And this guy from my work is here. You're famous for it.

I'm very famous for it. I'm known for it. But the guy from my work turns to me and he's reading the Godzilla review and he's like, James, James, you'll like this. Check out this Godzilla review. Check out the title. We're off to see the lizard. So he thought I'd like that.

You did though. And I did. Yes. Great. I'm not above that. absolutely not yeah so yeah we did go off to see the lizard mason and in many ways it was successful do you have anything else to say before we give it the rating that we do uh not promising good liked it okay so you're gonna say best movie ever i'm gonna say best movie ever yeah i'm gonna say tent best movie ever, yeah. I'm going to say tentative best movie ever.

That being said, I don't really want to see it again, and I don't care if there's never a sequel. As soon as I came out of the film, I was like, I enjoyed that, but I'd rather not see it again. I'd probably see it one more time. Okay. Yeah, give me a week. Maybe we'll see how it goes.

Okay, cool. You've got to watch the season finale of Arrow first, though. Fine. God. Also, Daniel Tonks has written in and I noticed you didn't get a popcorn or a coke there

when we went. Because normally you embrace the cinema going. I embrace the cinema yeah that's true. Though there is they do sell pizza there now

which I'm against. You shouldn't have hot food in the cinema. I don't want to smell your pizza. You dumbass. Not you. But you specifically.

I know right. But he says that the 90% of ticket revenues goes to the cinema. Goes to the movie studios. So people should to the cinema, goes to the movie studios. So people should embrace the cinema guy experience. Exactly, that's right. So maybe you should support cinemas,

especially independent cinemas. Yeah. But also the really big ones. Absolutely, yeah. Just huge chains. Yeah. You know what? I'd also, I'm not really,

normally in the past I haven't cared about IMAX or whatever. I don't care for 3D. I hope that dies again, yeah the past, I haven't cared about IMAX or whatever. I don't care for 3D. That... I hope that dies again, yeah. God, I hope so. But I think... Because the effects are getting better and better and the scope of movies is getting bigger,

I'd rather see movies like this now on a big screen. We saw it on a VMAX. Yeah. Which is like double the size, maybe. I don't know. An IMAX, certainly. Yeah, but we didn't see the X-Men one on a giant screen. But we were right in front of it, so it seemed that way.

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is now streaming on Disney+. So, yeah, I guess that's the review, Mason. Now we're going to move on to finishing up last week's topic, which was... Unfinished business. Unfinished business, risky business. Was that... yes. You know, Tom Cruise just changed his Twitter biography

to something like been running since 1981. Yeah, running a movie since 1981, which perfectly encapsulates what he has been doing, because he really has. What's he running from, Mason? Care to speculate? No, absolutely not. Sure.

Now, my review, Mason, for X-Men Days of the Future Past is up, as I've mentioned. If you go to MrSundayMovies or YouTube.com slash MrSundayMovies, you can see that. It's spoiler free. So, again, we're not going to talk about this today.

But before we go into this, there's also one more bit of news. Channing Tatum has been cast as Gambit in X-Men Apocalypse 2016. That's what it's called. There you go. So yeah, we'll talk more about that next week and how that movie could possibly go, because a lot of that, if we did talk about it, would spoil Days of Future Past. But we were up to Mason.

X-Men, we talked about last week. X-Men 1, X- up to Mason X-Men We talked about last week X-Men 1 X-Men 2 X-Men United together And X-Men 3 The Last Stand And I think we said First two were great

Especially for the time In particular two Third one Has some moments that are okay But we hate Brett Ratner And if we ever see him We're going to atomic breath him Absolutely We're going to leave his head in san francisco bay so yeah um at the time x-men

wolverine origins came out do you remember any of the fanfare related to it it was the first of many origin films absolutely that was supposed to occur. I wasn't particularly excited for it before because I didn't think it looked that good beforehand. Yep. What do you remember thinking about it? I was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. And I remember a lot of people really loving it. That's what I remember as well. Yeah.

And I remember thinking and saying to people, you will regret this. Because it is terrible and you have yet to realize that it is terrible. Yeah. Why do people... I guess it's the same thing with Phantom Menace. A lot of people went in and really enjoyed that. Yeah. I think they had to convince themselves that they really enjoyed it.

Because it's got a lot of elements that you should enjoy. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like Hugh Jackman is great. Yep. He's got a whole lot of mutants. Yep. He's got Deadpool sort of, I guess.

Uh-huh. There's action. Yep. I don't know. Yep. It's got a whole lot of mutants. Yep. It's got Deadpool sort of, I guess. Uh-huh. There's action. Yep. I don't know. I guess that's why. But it's not. It's easily, easily the worst X-Men movie. Absolutely.

That will ever be made. Yes. I know it had a lot of studio interference. Gavin Hood, the director, he also did Ender's Game, which I watched. But I... What if that made it better, though? Think about it how is it though that

how is it though that some some directors kind of can stand up to that and some don't does it depend on the movie does it depend on the property does it depend on depend on the studio

does it depend on the director how does this happen I'd say it depends on a lot of factors some of which you just mentioned sure this was the one and actually I remember and I've just recalled it now

because I've looked it up on the Wikipedia page here this was the one where the work I remember, and I've just recalled it now because I've looked it up on the Wikipedia page here. This was the one where the work print was released a month beforehand. That's exactly right. With the special effects weren't finished. Yeah. And I thought... But they didn't get that much better.

No, they really didn't. I watched about the first five minutes. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to wait. Because the elements of it looked pretty good. Yep. There's the sequence right at the start where... Towards the start where towards the start

where he discovers he's a mutant he goes on the run yeah and then you see him and Sabretooth sort of go through a series of wars

that is incredible that is a great sequence like you see like it's a great intro to the character you can see how old he is and what he's been through

yep without you know in without any words. Yeah, absolutely. In a lot of ways, yeah. I feel like as well, they should have stopped at one of those wars. Yes, yeah, absolutely. Like maybe World War II.

I want to see like a Logan World War II movie. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, that whole sequence is incredible. And then it just kind of stops in, I don't know, the 70s, is it? Not the vague. It's the vague. It could be the future, but it's the present? Yep.

That's, yep. I think it's the Vietnam War, isn't it, at some point? Or does it go until after that? No, it goes until after that. I think it's set in the 80s because there's a nuclear reactor that melts down in it. And that happened around that time as well. Right, okay, yeah. Yeah, it's probably the 80s.

But yeah, that copy that leaked online, it was downloaded 4.5 million times. Uh-huh. But I don't think it really hurt the film that much. No. Because that still made quite a lot of money. It didn't do as well as X-Men 3. Yeah, yeah. But interestingly,

there was a guy called Roger Friedman, or Friedman, a reporter for Fox News, and he wrote... I remember this. He wrote a review, an adverse review for the movie based on the leaked copy, and he wrote I remember this he wrote a review an adverse review for the movie

based on the leaked copy and he even described in his review how easy it was to find and download the film right and his review

was removed and he was fired absolutely yeah what an idiot yeah if we're talking about movie piracy so it was

it was downloaded 4.5 million times yeah right so hang on hang on 4.5 let's assume it cost Right? So, hang on. Hang on. 4.5 times. Let's assume it cost 20 bucks to see the movie.

Sure. Right. So, that's 90 million dollars, right? Yeah. People would say, like, the movie industry will say it cost them 90 million dollars. Yeah. But it didn't. No.

Because that assumes that if you could not download this movie... You would go and see it. You would have to go. Like, you would be compelled to see it. Yeah. But a lot of people... And people will say that about, you know, maybe a DVD. Like, you know, it cost $20 to buy the DVD and a million people downloaded it.

So the movie industry, you know, the TV industry lost $20 million. Yeah. But it didn't. Because most people were... If it's a movie... You know, if it's like Sharknado... Yeah. But it didn't, because most people were, if it's a movie, you know, if it's like Sharknado, Yeah.

and your option is watch it, you know, pay for it on DVD or download it for free, if that option to download it was suddenly taken away from you,

most people aren't going to watch it. I would never see that. No, because it's a movie about a tornado that's filled with deadly sharks.

Right? But if the option was, hey, you can pay $5 and download it instantly, I think a lot of people would. Yeah. But for $20, no. Yeah. Right? But if the option was, hey, you can pay five bucks and download it instantly, I think a lot of people would. Yeah. But for 20 bucks, no.

No. Absolutely not. I agree. Yeah. That's my rant about piracy. Stop complaining. I thought that was me? Yeah.

Okay. Sorry. Okay. No problem. Yeah. I don't think I downed it. I think I might have started to watch it to see what it was like.

Right. Yeah. But I still went and saw it anyway. Do you know what? I've got a whole bunch of trivia here, Mason, as always. I'd like to see some trivia. Yeah. still went and saw it anyway. Do you know what I mean? I've got a whole bunch of trivia here, Mason, as always. I'd like to see some trivia, yeah. You know how there's a bit where

William Stryker, who's been cast, recast many times now, he says to Deadpool, if it weren't for that mouth, you'd be the perfect soldier. Because, you know, in the comic,

he's branded the Merc with a mouth. With a mouth, yep. And then what he says happened, and it was terrible. Yep. Because that, why did they go that way with deadpool i don't know yeah because they assumed there'd be a sweet sweet spin-off because everybody would love x-men

origins wolverine but why why why go that way with the character to spin him off from like that i don't understand i don't know why not just have him have him disappear and then maybe have him pop up at the end as a cameo as deadpool yeah. Not a brainwashed guy who's got Cyclops' powers and Wolverine's claws. And teleportation. I just, what? Yeah, I don't know. What is happening? It's not a very good film.

Here's the thing. X-Men Origins Wolverine is one of those films that feels to me like watching somebody else play a video game on God mode. Yeah. You know,'s a couple of those. And I guess this doesn't happen as much anymore, because video games are... They're not as difficult, and they're kind of... They hold your hand more.

Yeah, they hold your hand more, and they're more cinematic. They want you to see more of the game. But back in the day, like, if you put on God mode, you know, you just wanted to be invincible and finish the game and see everything i had to offer yeah and that was good that was okay if you wanted to do that but watching somebody else do that no it's not completely uninteresting right this is what that film is right because he can't die yep and you can't affect the outcome and he's just doing a series of dumb things. Yep, fair enough.

Like he literally could not die. Where is the narrative weight? I'm trying to think if there's a moment. No, because even at the end when he's fighting on top of the nuclear reactor or whatever, it never feels like that he's going to die. The fights with Sabretooth never feel... I mean, they're okay okay fight sequences but you never feel like either of them are going to die also because

it's a prequel you know he's not going to die exactly yeah which is another problem which we've talked about before that's why The Wolverine again I said this last week The Wolverine is a better movie

for a lot of reasons but one is because he could die he's not going to die right but you he's worth too much money exactly

yeah do you know Liev Schreiber I'm aware of Liev Schreiber the guy who played him in X-Men 1 wanted to come back You don't want to die. Right. He's worth too much money. Exactly. Yeah. Do you know, though, Liev Schreiber? I'm aware of Liev Schreiber. Who plays Saber, too. Sure. The guy who played him in X-Men 1 wanted to come back,

but wrestlers aren't known for their acting prowess. Correct. They're known for their wrestling. No one can fault them on that. Absolutely. They're known for their taunts. They're known for taunting one another.

They're known for stealing one another's managers. You know? They're known for having heart attacks at 38. Yeah, they sure are. Yeah. They're known for, like, stealing somebody's manager's Cadillac and filling it with cement.

You know? They'll do a prank like that. Sure. You a wrestling guy? Not really, no. Not against it, but I've never really got into it. I think because when we were kids, we didn't really get it here, did we? No, that's true.

WrestleMania 30 just came out, so maybe we should do an episode on that. Okay. Let's get the Blu-ray of WrestleMania 30. I think I wouldn't understand it and people would be angry at me. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Hats off to those guys, though.

I recently saw The Wrestling at Comedy Festival, which was comedians versus wrestlers. It was pretty good. It's really great. Was that rehearsed? Yes. Well, this has taken Was that rehearsed? Yes. Wow. This has taken the... Yeah, I know.

Fake. Fake. I love how people still say that now. It's fake, you know. But it was great because I got to be there with a screaming crowd and boo people,

which I haven't done in a long time. It's super fun. It's normally just you booing on your show. Yeah, exactly. Anyway. That annoys me about wrestling when people go it's fake it's not real or whatever

it is scripted that is a well known fact it's been well known for many many years now that that is the case but those guys they really get hurt yeah absolutely

they are athletes sometimes inadvertently yeah but very much so yeah like who was the one that died a few years ago Hulk Hogan yes but there was another one he fell Hollywood Hulk Hogan that was the one that died a few years ago? Hulk Hogan.

Yes, but there was another one. Hollywood Hulk Hogan. That's the one. No, Bret Hart's brother. Yeah, that's true, yeah. What's his name? People are screaming at me. But he fell as he was being lowered in, and he hit his head on the turnbuckle or whatever, and he was killed.

And even as he was lying there, people were like, boo, get up! And even the ambulance comes in. I guess that's a problem, because people think the whole thing is an act. Yeah, yeah. That he was dead. Yeah, yeah. And even as he was lying there, people were like, boo, get up. And even the ambulance comes in. I guess that's a problem because people think the whole thing is an act. Yeah, yeah. But he was dead. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, video game on God mode. Yeah.

No more so than when he needs, like, he needs, like, information from a guy. Yep. And the guy's like, I'll tell you if you can beat me in a boxing match. You know that bit? Yeah, I know that bit. That's so video gamey and terrible. And there's a bit... If that happened to you in real life, you'd be like, no.

Why would I? Just tell me the information. That's dumb. And also, that's the bit where the guy thinks that he calls him Blob, but he calls him Bub. Right. It's just like, oh, okay, all right. Yeah, we know that's the character Blob. Yeah.

Great. Yeah, but Liv Schreiber was going to, because he's not as big a guy as Hugh Jackman was at the time, he was going to get a muscle suit. Great. A bit like Vinnie Jones for Juggernaut and X-Men 3. But he said it made him feel humiliated to wear something like that. As it would, I guess. But so he then requested a chance to gain muscle himself.

Okay, right. Which he did. So, you know, good for him. Also, you could do a lot of that with angles yeah that's right except the camera facing up he looks real tall

I've got two pieces of trivia that tie into each other here Mason Will.i.am accidentally punched the camera while filming a fight scene

and scarred his knuckles more interestingly who thought it was a good idea to put Will.i.am in an X-Men movie right that what was he that bad I can't remember I remember him being really bad Who thought it was a good idea to put Will.i.am in an X-Men movie?

That, what? Was he that bad? I kind of remember. I remember him being really bad and unnecessary. Okay. He was a, what could he do in that? He was careful he could teleport. Okay, yeah, sure.

Great. There was a whole lot of B-grade kind of mutants in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As well, but none of them were really interesting. I thought Dominic Monaghan did an okay job, the guy from Lost. Yep. Where are we? Yeah, absolutely. From Lost, he's in The Hobbit.

I thought he did an okay job with what he's got, but a lot of those mutants are very forgettable. Do you know, Mason? Because I've forgotten most of them. If you asked me to name another one besides Blob, I couldn't tell you. There's, who's the Asian guy in it? Who's the agent? Oh. Oh, Agent Asian. That's the Asian guy in it? Who's the agent? Oh. Oh, Agent Asian.

That's the one. Yeah. You know, in James Howlett's bedroom, who of course is Wolverine's real name, this is before he runs away, a picture on the wall can be seen of a Wolverine foreshadowing his... A picture of a Wolverine. Yes. Yeah, you know what, and I just, this, the problem with this film as a whole was for the absolute lowest common denominator. Like, there was an unironic Wolverine walks away from an explosion in slow motion and he doesn't look at it.

Like, there was one of those. Yeah. This movie was all about... Well, they love... People love explosions. Let's put in explosions. People love really macho dialogue. Let's put in macho dialogue. It was exactly that, right? Yeah, you're right.

The whole film was that. Yeah. People love love interests. Let's give him a vague love interest. People love kindly old men giving advice. Let's put one of those in. I've got a fact about that. I'm ready. The old couple that Logan encounters, they're called... Who are younger than him. Who are younger than him, but he still takes advice.

Yep. Which is weird. There's also a bit where he goes, Oh, you've got that sweet motorcycle. I remember when that came up the production line. And he's like, how would you remember that? And everyone goes, ha, ha, ha. Yeah.

Like, what? Why would you reveal that? We get it. Why would you reveal that? Uh- it. Why would you reveal that? Uh-huh. Anyway. Anyway, their names are Travis and Heather Hudson. Uh-huh.

And that's their civilian names. The Hudson, they're from Alpha Flight. They're from Hudson Hawk, the movie. Oh, there we go. They are. You're right. They're Guardian and the Vindicator from Alpha Flight, a Canadian government mutant team. So, yeah, there you go.

Though, in the comics, Guardian's name is James McDonald Hudson. Yeah. So, I guess they changed that. So, they sort of included that, but they didn't. But they didn't, exactly, because they... Like, I see the tip of the hat there, because Wolverine was in AlphaFlight in the comic books. Like, they needed...

When the Marvel created AlphaFlight, they were like, we need a Canadian mutant to be on the team. Yeah. And so they were like, let's make Wolverine a mutant and we'll put him on the team. Yeah. That kind of thing. Yeah. But why not have him go to them and be like, listen, you remember me.

We did the war together. Right, right, right. One of them. And he's like, you have an age a day or whatever. You don't even have to say that. He knows who he is and goes, of course, you can hold up here. He's a motorcycle. He's a jacket. Right a jacket right get out there son you know what i mean yeah like why not do it like that why why do it why even mention that they're just yeah why

why make exactly like i had no idea that was the case yeah why mention that they are those characters because now if you want to make an alpha flight movie you can't do it without breaking the continuity which is irrelevant to the x-men films because they always break the continuity all the time. Let's talk about breaking continuity in this film. Sure. At the end, he rescues some mutants, which includes Cyclops and Emma Frost, right? Yep, yep. Who was a teenager but was an adult in the 60s, right?

Yes. Yes, that's right. I mean, I guess they never say it's Emma Frost. But she looks a lot like Emma Frost. And she has the Emma Frost powers. Correct. Yeah, yeah. Well, actually, the guy who played Scott Summers

Tim Pocock. Now, he describes the film, this film, as Scott's, Scott Summers' big transition moment when Scott goes from a troubled teenager to a leader in the span of a film. Oh. Did you remember that happening? In the span of a film. Oh.

Did you remember that happening? In the two minutes he was on screen. I remember him having his eyes completely covered. Yep. And then he escaped from a cell. Yep. And that's it. You're right. Yeah.

Yeah. This movie is garbage. Okay. Brian Singer, who directed the first two films, was approached. Brett Ratner was approached, who did X-Men 3. Len Wiseman was approached. I think he did the Underworld movies. But then he would have had to put What's-Her-Face in.

Oh yeah, he would have. I'm okay with that. I love Kate Beckinsale. Shooting Fish. I like that movie. Alexandra Ager. I don't know who that is. No idea. And Zack Snyder. All expressed interest in directing before Gavin Hood was brought on board. Some of those are okay.

Some of them I don't know. So, yeah. Did you notice, Mason, in some scenes, the Wolverine claws were created through computer-generated imagery? God, did I. They're the worst claws in the... I don't understand. They were pretty good all through 1, 2, and 3, right? How did they become the worst?

They became noticeably ridiculous. They looked like cartoon claws. They looked like... Who Framed Roger Rabbit. I was just going to say Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Exactly. R.I.P. Bob Hoskins. He died.

No, yeah. That sucks. Yeah, no, they... Everything they touched produced sparks. Yeah. Like, no matter what. Like, he cut through a porcelain basin. Yeah. Like, no matter what. Like, he cuts through a porcelain basin.

Yeah. Sparks. Why? You know, I thought it was interesting as well. You could see as well that he's not really looking at them because there's nothing there. Yeah. So his eyes don't line up with what he's looking at. And I know they tried to make him kind of shiny and new because they were shiny and new.

Right, exactly, yeah. But it looked ridiculous. And also, though, the reason they did this, and you'll love this, is because the props being used in those scenes looked obvious. Ah, great. So good. Also, yeah, but that's dumb, right? Yeah, it's so dumb. I understand the rationale of, well, he's got brand new adamantium claws.

Yeah. So make them look shinier. But... You don't have to. No, you don't have to. Yeah. Also, as we discussed last night... Also, they look pretty much shiny and new in all the films, right? Yeah, that's right. I don't look at the first three X-Men films and go,

boy, his claws are looking a bit weathered, aren't they? They could use a polish. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, also, the way that they come out of his hands, because they come out kind of between his knuckles and fingers, it's easy to make a prop where he can just grab that in his fist. Right, exactly.

And you cannot see that he's holding that. A lot of very successful Wolverine cosplayers just do that. And then they can take them on and off whenever they want. That's right. They just hold them in their hands, yeah. Man, classic. Gavin Hood also, he wanted to make Wolverine suffer from a post-traumatic stress disorder. Uh-huh.

From all his years in the armies. In the army, or armies. In the army or armies. He was in multiple armies. Multiple armies, yeah. But Fox Studios vetoed the idea because it was too heavy a theme for a comic book film. But I would argue that Magneto is a Holocaust survivor and that is a much heavier. Absolutely, yeah. Or not much heavier, but it is at least equally heavy a theme.

Correct, yeah. Come on. Yeah. I mean, so much wrong with this. Absolutely. That sounds like studio intervention there, though. And then they, of course, gave Tony Stark PTSD in Iron Man 3. I did.

I guess it wasn't that heavy after all. But also, maybe it would have been really, I would say maybe, it would definitely have been very poorly handled if they'd done it. Oh, no doubt. Because it was quite poorly handled in Iron Man 3. He just got over it. Which is not something you do with PTSD. It's like, I'll just believe in myself for a bit.

I'm fine now. Oh, that's right. I'm a billionaire. I'm a billionaire superhero. I'm fine. Now, we talked about this, I think, last week as well. You know how in the the comics the reason he loses his memory is because his healing factor what did you say i think you used the word papers over yeah

papers over like yeah yeah like paper uh-huh so that that's how he loses his memories uh-huh but in this one they decided that i guess that was too subtle so they'll just shoot him in the head with a bullet right exactly yeah and as you out also, if his skull is adamantium and the bullet's adamantium, they would just ping off each other. What I hate about that scene also is they explain what they're going to do. What they're going to do is dumb.

Right, but he's like, I've got this adamantium bullet, this will sort him out. And the guy's like, sir, that won't kill him, he's amazing or whatever. And he's like, no, it won't kill him, but it'll lose all his memories.

How do you know that? Exactly. At least have him do it. And then he loses his memories. Don't make that his plan. Stryker's not a scientist, though, either, is he? Is he? I guess he's a military scientist. I mean, he runs the program, but he's not a...

Maybe he's just picked some stuff up here and there. Sure. You know? Oh, man. Now, there's some other mutant cameos in this movie, as we mentioned, Mason. William Stryker. Yep. He's captured and incarcerated these familiar faces.

There's a tongued boy called Mortimer Toynbee, who's Toad. Uh-huh, yep. Who also appears in other X-Men films. What do you think of the new look Toad in the new one? Maybe he's a different guy. He's not. That's him. Oh, well, then I have no idea.

Fine. Maybe he's had some work done. Sure. You would, I guess. The Teenager with the Tornado is Wind Dancer. I don't even remember that happening. No. The boy vibrating in his cage is Quicksilver,

son of Magneto. There you go. And the boy with tape over his mouth is Banshee, who appears also in First Class, which is again set

in the past. Now, that's pretty much it, Mason. I guess my last question is, before we rate this worst movie ever. Uh-huh, sure. Of all time. Wait a sec,

don't jump the gun. How does Professor X get Professor X'd? Well, as we know, that is the question we ask every week. Professor X becomes incapacitated in every movie. How is that done in this? Is he? He's just not in it. He's not in it.

There we go. Well, he's in it at the end. Right, right, right. And he's walking, which is confusing because that doesn't make sense at all. Yeah. According to everything else. So, Mason, best or worst movie ever?

Worst movie ever. Yes. Yeah. Me too. Great. Do you want to see any more Wolverine solo movies? No. We're going to get one.

Oh, there is one, yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. You know, I do want to see another one because the Wolverine was good. Yeah. Well, we're going to talk about the Wolverine, Mason. Yep. Right now. Right now. I thought we could go to First Class last because The Wolverine was good. Yeah. Well, we're going to talk about The Wolverine, Mason, right now.

I thought we could go to First Class last because that leads into Days of Future Past more than... Oh, so does The Wolverine. But it's interesting to compare The Wolverine and Wolverine Origins. Again, it's difficult to determine which one leads in more because they're, again, riddled with continuity errors. So maybe none of them do. Maybe they're all set in... I had a conversation with somebody last night about this and I'm like, well, they're all riddled with continuity errors. And she was like, maybe they're all set in parallel. I had a conversation with somebody last night about this, and I'm like, well, they're all riddled with continuity errors. And she was like, maybe they're all set in parallel universes.

And you said, maybe you're set in parallel universes. That's what I said. Good. Yeah, good. Shut her up. That's right. That's a really good point, though. Do you think they could ever just come out and say that, though?

No, because it'd be awful. Now, Mason, I've got some facts here about Hugh Jackman's workout regime. Is the first one just say like a mad dog? No. But let's make that the first one. Yep. Hugh Jackman contacted Dwayne Johnson for advice on bulking up for the movie. Johnson suggested he could gain a pound a week over six months eating bunches of stuff

like rice and brown rice and stuff. Bunches of stuff. Bunches of stuff. Macrobiotics. So he ate 6,000 calories a day and an awful lot of steak and brown rice and stuff. Bunches of stuff. Bunches of stuff. Macrobiotics. So he ate 6,000 calories a day and an awful lot of steak and brown rice and chicken. That seems awful.

Yep. Who was it that was telling me recently apparently having a six-pack is technically unhealthy because you're supposed to have like a half an inch of layer of fat minimum on your body. We've nailed it.

Hugh Jackman said for his shirtless scene he wanted to look as ripped and cut as possible. He succeeded. He did, yes. But the way he did that is something bodybuilders do.

They don't drink for something like 36 hours before. Or the water weight disappears. Or the water weight disappears. And he said he got super headachy but he said

it was the look that he wanted. Do you think it was the look that he wanted? Yes. Because he said that. Why would he lie? He's a great bloke. That's right. One more Mason about his physique.

He said he finally achieved the physique he always wanted. And each of the prior takes for the character, he never had enough time to get into shape. And he felt this was the one that he really could do that. Because when Darren Aronofsky was originally making it, because Wolverine is quite lean in a lot of the movies, into shape and he felt this was the one that he really could do that yes i know because when darren aronofsky was originally making it because wolverine he's quite lean in a lot of the movies but in the comics he's more bulky yeah and he's definitely more bulky now than what he was originally yeah yeah there's one more fact okay i'm ready yes co-star will Yun Lee says that it was Jackman's best physique for the role in Wolverine.

I think he's probably right. Best physiques all around. Now, I just launched that physique thing, but what did you think of the Wolverine? I really enjoyed it. He's not as invincible as... Yeah. Yeah, he's not as invincible. There's some genuine stakes involved.

Yeah. Yeah, sure. Do you think that's because he had the squid on his heart or it just felt that way anyway well speaking of that there was the villain was quite the villains were a mishmash weren't they yeah yeah was that madam was that supposed to be madam viper i think it was yeah yeah okay yeah yeah and the other guy was the silver samurai but there was two silver samurais one was a dad one was an old man in a robot suit correct yes which was interesting okay yeah and again i i don't necessarily object to them like the silver samurai not being a mutant just a guy in a robot suit that's fine yeah yeah yeah cool but

i'm sure there are people who are who the silver samurai is their favorite character yeah and me yeah sorry sorry about what happened. I don't know. I liked the setting was great. Yep. The train fight sequence was incredible. Wasn't it good? Yeah, so good. Very tense.

That was all green screen. They didn't really do it on top of the train. Oh, not a real speeding bullet train. No. And, you know, in X-Men 3 or the Wolverine if he'd fallen off the train he would have

just gotten up again there would have been no stakes that's right exactly because you know that he could die because he's bleeding

for most of that movie isn't he yeah yeah what happened to his sidekick at the end of that movie because she was like I'll stick with you

Wolverine let's be friends um don't know we don't find out do we no we don't do you know Fank find out, do we? No, we don't. You know, Fanka Janssen is in this film, Mason. Yep.

In his head memories. Yep, sure. She filmed her cameos in three days, which is a long time. Yeah, I guess so, yeah. She's not in it that much. No, that's true. Is she? Yeah.

But I suppose that would have been a case of hurry up and wait kind of thing. Because each of those cameos is in a different set. Yep. But I suppose that would have been a case of hurry up and wait kind of thing. Because each of those cameos is in a different set. So presumably they would have had to set up for each set. And Hugh Jackman would have had different makeup and different wounds put in and all that sort of stuff. So there would have been hours of that. And then she would have shown up and been like, believe in yourself Wolverine and then left. Or don't believe in yourself. Or don't believe in yourself.

Or kill yourself. What was it? I don't know what it was. Kill yourself. I think it was kill yourself. Gilmero del Toro expressed interest in directing, being a fan of the Japanese saga from the Wolverine comics. He met with James Gianopoulos and Hugh Jackman

about directing the film. I'm assuming he's a producer. I don't know who he is. But he ultimately decided he didn't want to spend two to three years of his life working on a film. It's a long time to about directing the film. I'm assuming he's a producer. I don't know who he is. But he ultimately decided he didn't want to spend two to three years of his life working on a film. It's a long time to dedicate to a film, isn't it?

Yeah, yeah. That's pretty standard, though. Darren Aron didn't want to, I think, travel to Japan. Oh, Darren Aron. Oh, Darren Aron. So, yeah. Also, Mason,

this is the first X-Men film to have an extended version on Blu-ray release. Teal Elston, listener of the show, says it's great. I haven't seen it. You seen it? I haven't seen it.

A lot of blood, they say. Oh, yeah. Absolutely, yeah. I was... The one thing I didn't... There was a few things that I weren't entirely wrapped with. You know what? It's a good movie.

It's not amazing. Would you agree with that? I would agree with that, yeah. I mean, I haven't really been compelled to watch it again. Yeah, same. You know the bit where he fights all the samurai in the snow? Yep. I thought that was going to go a lot longer,

and it just kind of wrapped itself up pretty quickly. I think there's more of that in the comic. Did you like the animatronic bear? Yes. No, I'm ambivalent towards it. Did you like how he was drinking Stan Lee whiskey? Didn't even notice that. There you go.

That's pretty great. Neither did I. I don't really have... I guess the difference between this and the other one is it's just... It's fine and it's pretty good. So I don't really have anything to say about it other than that. Yeah. We like it.

We like it. And therefore, best movie ever. Best movie ever. How does Professor X... Doesn't matter, does it? Doesn't matter. And therefore, best movie ever. Best movie ever. How does Professor X... Doesn't matter, does it? Doesn't matter. Didn't get X'd. If only.

If only. Last one, Mason. My personal favourite X-Men movie. X-Men Wolverine Origins. We're back. We're back. We've gone all the way around. We're taking another pass at this.

X-Men First Class. 2011. Yep. Seen as a kind of reboot-y, kind of reimagining of the series. It scrapped a lot of the continuity from the other movies. Boy, did it. The director did that on purpose because he was like, look, I just want to make the best movie, so I don't care. It specifically, though, takes away the continuity from 3 and Origins.

A lot of the other stuff stays. Yeah, yeah. Because it's all, is Professor X walking, not walking, all that kind of stuff. Oh, yeah. It's the only movie that's not, doesn't have Wolverine as one of the main characters, though he does appear in a sweet cameo. What did you think of that at the time? The movie?

Yes. As a whole? Yes. It was great. It is one of my favorites also, yeah. Yeah. In fact, maybe it is my favorite. I think it's my favorite.

Because I've just recently rewatched it, because we're going to do an audio commentary at some point. We're supposed to do that. Yeah, yeah. Sorry to anyone who's still hanging out for that. No one's hanging out. Okay, great. I think we'll be okay. You know, though, for the movie, James McAvoy shaved his head for the role, and then he learned that they didn't want a shaved head Professor X for this.

So a lot of the time he's wearing hair extensions. Wow, there you go. Or most of it, he's wearing hair extensions. Wow, there you go. Or most of it he's wearing hair extensions. So yeah, that's kind of interesting. That is fun, yeah. You'd think he would've

asked first. Yeah. Does that mean he's a big fan of the films? I guess he must be, yeah. This is my chance. Seeing him and Patrick Stewart face to face,

which you see in some of the trailers for Days of Future Past, they've got a very similar profile. Yeah, very similar face structure. Maybe what it was is that...

Maybe it was just an excuse to shave your head. Sure. Because that happens, right? You're like, oh, if I could... Because I don't want to. Yeah. But if I had some sort of... You could do it for charity, mate.

I guess I could do it for charity. You don't know? No. I'll pay for somebody else to do it. I loved it. And I wasn't the only person who said this, that we finally got a look at some comic book style suits. And they weren't super comic book-y,

but they were pretty good, I thought. They fit the era that the movie was set in. Yeah, a little bit colourful. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was fantastic. Yeah, and kind of practical in the same sense as well. But they would have looked ridiculous. In X-Men 1, if they had worn those suits, it would have looked absolutely ridiculous. That's true. Yeah, and kind of practical in the same sense as well. But they would have looked ridiculous.

In X-Men 1, if they had worn those suits, it would have looked absolutely ridiculous. That's true. Yeah, fair point. But why not, and this carries over to Days of Future Past, why not have some kind of comic book style suit in the other ones now? Yeah.

Because you can do it. Yeah, we've established the world is pretty crazy. Yeah, that's right. That's very true. What's going on? I was going to say, everybody's really well cast in the other one, pretty crazy. Yeah, that's right. That's very true. What's going on? I was going to say, everybody's really well cast in the new one, I think. Yeah, absolutely. Do you like Scott Summers' brothers, Havoc?

Yes. Have cheese. Yeah, no. I can have cheese. No, stop it. Yeah, really well cast. Again, they tweaked some of the continuity. Sebastian Shaw was never a Nazi originally.

No, he wasn't. But it sort of worked. Wasn't he from way, way, way the past back? Sebastian Shaw? Yeah. Not really, no. Isn't he? No, he's not immortal.

Okay. I'm thinking of someone else. Doesn't he have a ponytail in the comics as well? Yes, he does. A ponytail and like a roughly shirt. Also, Mason, there's a few things cut from this, including there was going to be a professor x and emma frost mind battle oh but they took it out because of inception because inception had mind battles right exactly yeah you can't have too many mind battles trite don't like it also uh nicholas holt who played beast

he studied kelsey grammar's performance in he diedMen The Last Stand. He dyed his skin blue. And they were like, we don't really want you to be blue for most of this film. And he's like, goddammit. Yeah, he studied Kelsey Grammer's performance in The Last Stand and also Kelsey Grammer in early seasons of Frasier. Great. To get that right. The Beast in that as well, did you notice, he's more cat-like. He's more Joss Whedon's

Astonishing X-Men kind of than he is Beastly than the other ones. But they kind of change that in Days of Future Past,

don't they? He kind of becomes... He's sort of a hybrid. Yeah. So there you go. The filmmakers had two choices for the role

of Sebastian Shaw. Colin Firth and Kevin Bacon and they decided to go with Kevin Bacon because he was American and seemed more menacing than Firth. Do you agree with that?

He's very sinister, yeah. Yeah, he is. I imagine there is huge throngs of people out there who could not imagine Colin Firth as a bad guy. No. As well. I'm trying to think if there's an example of that. No, even as a Nazi, he'd be quite lovable. Colin Firth struck that woman in his car once, though.

Oh. But even then. Yeah, even then that woman in his car once, though. Oh. But even then. Yeah, even then. Charmed his way out of it. Yeah, so charming. That didn't really happen, by the way. James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender, that's their first appearance together since Band of Brothers.

They're both in Band of Brothers. Yeah. I've got to watch that again. He likes Band of Brothers, right? Yes. Actually of Brothers. Yeah. I've got to watch that again. You liked Band of Brothers, right? Yes. Actually, Bryan Singer was approached to direct these films, but in 2010 he declined due to commitments of the world's most successful film of all time,

Jack the Giant Slayer. So you can see why. Yeah, absolutely. Sure. That one that was computer animated probably? No, but it did have Nicholas Holt. Oh. And it did have Beanstalks,

and it did have Bill Nighy, and it did have Nicholas Holt. Oh. And it did have Beanstalks. And it did have Bill Nighy. And it did have the guy from Deadwood. How did Nicholas Holt have time for both those films? Because Jack the Giant Slayer came out last year. And the other one came out in 2011. So there was a large gap. Singer needed a lot of prep time, clearly. Yeah, that's right.

This is interesting, Mason. Yes. And terrifying. Taylor Lautner was considered to play Hank McCoy, a.k.a. Beast, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts. Nicholas Holt was then cast. How do you think that would have gone down? Not as well.

He's a bit of a plank of wood, that guy. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I'm sure he's a nice guy or whatever. Let's get him on the podcast. He is super enthusiastic about everything, but I feel like he's got that kind of Tom Cruise kind of enthusiasm for things, which unnerves me. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean? Also, he would have had to really bulk down. I guess they could have Captain America'd him. Yeah. Like, CGI'd a really weak guy on him first, and then bulked him up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah then bulked him up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Good point. But then there would have been, like, over an hour of scenes of him like that. Yeah. I don't know. He just put some... More work than not. He just put some, like, bigger coats on him or whatever. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Some ill-fitting stuff. I don't know. But, yeah. Hugh Jackman accepted the opportunity to cameo as Wolverine in that film. I think it's one of his greatest performances in these movies

that one line that he has it's brilliant and I didn't see I hadn't seen that going in I didn't know he was in it so that was a very nice surprise for me he improvised the line

go fuck yourself they got one fuck in the movie they got to say it they also do it in Days of Future Past you probably noticed that as well because you can do that

in a PG-13 movie there were seven other takes including Fuck Off nice so you know mixing it up mixing it up

the reaction was that McAvoy and Fassbender had to the different line was authentic huh which would have been hurt yeah absolutely yeah

in fact they didn't actually that wasn't actually part of the scene Hugh Jackman was just at a bar nearby and they were like oh Hugh Jackman was just at a bar nearby, and they were like,

Oh, Hugh Jackman? He's great. He's a cool celebrity, fun actor guy. Let's go and join him for a drink. And they just showed up, and then... Nope. Nope. Wasn't having any of it, so they were genuinely hurt. Last bit of trivia, Mason.

I'm ready. As of 2011, this is the highest-grossing film ever made about the Cuban Missile Crisis. Great. Has there been one since um boy there's probably been an adam sandler movie about the cuban missile crisis isn't one of the dirty dancing sequels set in cuba cuban heat or something probably yeah i think it's actually havana nights havana nights there we go sure yep well mason i think that's it yeah what do you think of that

movie though best movie ever he didn't now it's also the only movie that Professor X is in for the entire length that he doesn't get Professor X'd. That's true. The whole thing hinges around his powers, which is great. Yeah, yeah. I think the movie benefits from... I mean, he does get X'd in the sense that he gets shot in the spine. That's true. Yeah.

But he... I think that movie benefits from not focusing on Wolverine. You develop some other characters. Yep. You get to see a lot more Professor X and Magneto and whatever and whatnot. I think that movie benefits from not focusing on Wolverine You develop some other characters Yep You get to see a lot more Professor X and Magneto And whatever and whatnot I love those two characters In particular, Fast Man is Magneto

He's really, really great So I guess for me Worst movie ever Just joking, Mason Best movie ever, you? Ah, but also best movie ever Great Mason, it's time for what we read and what we're gonna read yep theme song

i'm doing the thing what are we reading today hope somebody makes that into a theme song Great Now anything you're reading Cool Well Mason I have a letter here from Billy Arundel Now he's drifted away he says from the X-Men comics

And he wants to return Being Canadian he wants to know If there's anything He's being Canadian He's being very Canadian He's being very Canadian. Well, he said that he's read some X-Men comics of late and he he's sorry to say that Wolverine will be dead in a few

months and he says surely a permanent move if comic book patents prove true. Absolutely. But he wants to know, do you think if there's any... They're also going to destroy all existing Wolverine comics. Everything he's been in, they're just going to destroy it. And they're going to kill Hugh Jackman with a shovel. Yeah. He wants to know if there's any kind of launching off point X-Men comics that he's been in they're just going to destroy it and they're going to kill Hugh Jackman with a shovel yeah he wants to know

if there's any kind of launching off point X-Men comics that he thinks he maybe should read you're the expert here I think no

aren't you I've read some the astonishing X-Men run Joss Whedon's run I'd say if you're going to start again that's where you start yep

also one that I enjoy but I mean it's a few years old now but Grant Morrison's New X-Men that was a really good one I don't know how much of that is still relevant continuity wise

what's that follow that follows the X-Men it certainly follows the X-Men I can't there's not a lot that I can say without spoiling it but that's a good one also you said that Nick Mason replied to a tweet of his once I can't, there's not a lot that I can say without spoiling it. Okay, cool. But that's a good one. Fantastic.

Also, he said that Nick Mason, that's you, replied to a tweet of his once and it made him feel like, made him feel like that you must be a really nice guy. Hey, that was great and I am a really nice guy. No, I'm kidding. But he says, ask him to say something mean to reassure me that he hasn't changed on us. Why don't you go read your X-Men comics you idiots you got it I think I got it

yeah yeah well Mason I'm going to recommend an X-Men book okay because I prepared for the show

no that's fair you did I re-read this week uh-huh it's called the X-Men Magneto Testaments by Greg Pack and um

Carmine D Gian Domenico. It's from 2008. I should point out that this is not a pleasant read. Okay. It's a good book, but it is not pleasant in any sense. It follows the persecutions committed against the Jewish people pre and during World War II, as well as gypsies, the gypsies at the time and a bunch of other groups,

and involves Magneto being kind of tormented at school for being Jewish. And then that kind of flows over and eventually leads to him going into a concentration camp. And it's just horrific. Like it's very... Are you going to sneeze? I can hold it in. Okay, cool. It's very unpleasant, but it's powerful reading.

Let me say that. Now, Magneto, of course, his name in this is Max Eisenhardt, which is his original name. It's not an X-Men or mutant story. It's a Holocaust story, first and foremost. Right. With slight elements, like really small flickers of mutant activity. If you didn't know this was a Magneto book, there's a lot of things that you wouldn't assume. Right, right, right.

Because there's not a lot of things that outright point to his powers being a thing. There's a few little things that hint at it. So, I would say if you're looking for something

with a little bit more depth that's not necessarily that is not a fun read, then maybe check it out. Who's looking for a fun read these days, though? We've had enough of fun reads. We've grown up, Mason.

All right. Courtney Heck says... You remember Courtney Heck? I remember Courtney Heck. If you had to choose between a mutant that hasn't yet featured in a film, who would you choose? Not including Days of Future Past. Okay. I'd like to see Forge.

What's he do? He's got like... He's like an intuitive inventor. Okay. That's not very kind of... I guess it's not visually very flashy. Yeah. But he can invent crazy technology.

But he's got a cyborg arm and leg and stuff like that. Okay. That'd be fun to look at. Cool. I'd like to see some cyborg-y stuff. Cable. I'd like to see Cable. Sure.

Cable's great. But we've just done alternate. We've just done timeline, time travel stuff. So maybe we won't see another one very soon. Ever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I've got here, I put Zorn. Is that how you say it? Zorn. Zorn. Well, Zorn's from New X-Men. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. I've got here, I put Zorn. Is that how you say it? Zorn. Well, Zorn's from New X-Men. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Without spoiling who that is and what happens, he's a very interesting character. Yes.

And people should read that. Absolutely. Yep. Thanks, Courtney. Thanks, Courtney. Pete Foltz says, who would you base, oh, sorry, who would you be based on appearance personality wise if you were cast in a comic book movie? Well, we're jerks, so...

Statler and Waldorf from The Muppets? No, I don't know. I don't know. I've got here that I'm average in every sense. So, like... But you've got a good heart. Nah. So, I'm like the most...

I'm not handsome enough to be a lead kind of hero, but I'm not a weird kind of ugly enough looking mutant man or whatever to be anything like that. You'd be beak. Yeah, I guess so. So Eddie Nondis... Maybe Bobby Drake. Okay, yeah. Yeah, you've got a nice beard going. Yeah, thanks, man.

But that's probably it. You? I'd be chamber because the bottom of my face exploded off that time so I'm missing my jaw sure follow up suggestion he says that

his friend suggested he would be Cyclops and he's 6'5 this guy I'll show you a picture I saw it earlier it's alright ok cool

any thoughts? do you think he could be anybody else? he's a big dude he could be a Colossus type yep that's what I thought that's solid work

6'5 yeah that'sossus type yep that's what I thought that's solid work yeah six for five yeah it's big very impressive yeah yeah yeah that's a very nice email he sent I really really appreciate it

but he's also in that picture he's holding a baby they're wearing matching green light that's right now Ra's al Ghugu you remember

the first official baby of comicbookmovie.com Justin Hayden says that his baby was unhappy that we named another baby also the official baby of comicbookmovie.com. Justin Hayden says that his baby was unhappy that we named another baby also. The official baby of comicbookmovie.com. Listen.

Listen. There's no rules here about how many official babies we can have. Alright? Alright. Don't make us take your official baby status away. Because there can be one less as well. If you want there to be only one official baby, we can make that happen, mate. Alright?

If you want there to be only one official baby, we can make that happen, mates. All right? He says, Ra's al Ghugu has proclaimed that they will be made an example of and serves a warning to any other babies who might try to claim the title of official baby. There is nowhere to run.

This is the real world, and there is no Batman to save you. Wow. So that baby's going to kill... Yeah. Thanks, Justin. John Clayton says, Least favourite X-Men character and why?

His is Jubilee. That's valid. I'm trying to think of really annoying ones. I can go with one first. Okay, go ahead. Skin. Skin has a regular human skeletal structure, but he's grey and he has over six feet of extra skin,

which he's capable of stretching, deforming, wrapping, expanding, and do a bunch of stuff with it. That's gross. He's gross. Yeah. I know the X-Men are about being gross, and that's cool, but that's not cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You'd feel bad for being one of the ones that doesn't have great powers. Yeah, like Beak. Yeah, like Beak, exactly, yeah. Marrow? What's great powers. Yeah, like beak. Yeah, like beak, exactly, yeah. Marrow. What's she about? She, I think. Okay, she about? She could, like, pull out, like, bone spines out of her body and throw them at people.

Wasn't there a character similar to that in X-Men 3? Yes, probably, yeah. Cool. Yeah, yeah. Also, one-inch spike guys. Guy, he's probably the worst one. Any of those generic guys who have similar powers to somebody else, but not as good, and they're just cannon fodder. Cool. Yeah, yeah. Also, one-inch spike guys. Guy, he's probably the worst one. Any of those generic guys who have similar powers to somebody else, but not as good,

and they're just cannon fodder. Sure. You don't want to be one of them. Absolutely. Also, Mason. Yes. We got an email concerning Batman vs. Predator. Yes.

The latest podcast. I told you this earlier in the week, but I just wanted to quickly acknowledge this. Joe Lloyd Mason wrote in. He says he goes to a comic book artist school, and the guy who runs it is a guy by the name of Andy Cubitt. Cubitt. It's the Cubitt School. That's right. So it's him and his dad who run the school and his brother.

Is that right? Joe Cubitt. Joe Cubitt. Joe's still around. And he said if we give him a shout-out, he's going to ask if he can draw a Batman Predator sketch for us and send it in. Shout-outs. in. Shout out.

Absolutely. Without doubt. There are conditions, Mason. Okay. And I have to call Mason a pig. You're a pig. Yeah. I know.

And stroke his hair for a bit too long. Do you want to do that after the show? Let's do it after the show. Yeah. But take our word for it. That's going to happen. Definitely. Yeah.

Thanks, Andy. Yeah. Not Andy. Well, thanks, Andy, also. Yeah. If it could be. And I know. And Joe. Yeah, absolutely. it that's gonna happen definitely yep thanks uh thanks andy yeah not andy well thanks andy also if it could be and i know and joe i know yeah absolutely i know i know you know any kind of request is is a big request and that would be any kind of an honor but if it could be us two palling around with the alien and the predator sure that'd be great that'd be a fantastic sketch playing maybe marvel chess oh maybe play you may chess, yeah. Last email, Mason.

Then we're going to leave it for today. Okay. Keith Raybold, D-O-U-L-D. He said, did you consider doing the Timverse movies? Because we did the DC animated movies. I think we said at the time,

we do want to do those, but that's kind of a separate thing from the DC animated movies. So you're like a Mask of the Phantasm, Return of the Joker. Yeah, we can get to those. I would love to. Yeah, yeah. I'd have to re-watch them.

I also have to re-watch them. Yeah, but no, definitely. And also, can you get a shout-out to his long-suffering partner, Mandy, who he's going to marry on Friday. What? I know, right? After 14 years. Wait, this Friday or last Friday? Maybe last Friday.

Congratulations. Shout-out, Mandy. You did it. You did it, guys. Yeah, that's awesome. Or you're going to do it. That is the best. Congratulations. You did it. You did it, guys. Or you're going to do it. That is the best. Yeah.

She comes to all the comic book movies with me, although the trade-off is that he suffered through Twilight. Is that equal? No, but you have to have bad times to enjoy the good times, you know? That's a really good point. Is that a song? Yeah. That you're going to write?

Yeah. Good. And he also says, thanks for recommending Robocop Terminator, the most random comic book of all time. It's great, right? So that's on you, Mason. Thank you. Good work And he also says, thanks for recommending Robocop Terminator, the most random comic book of all time. It's great, right? So that's on you,

Mason. Thank you. Good work. That's it, Mason. Wow, we did it again. Yep.

Big thank you to the Brute and the Basilisk for the themes. Absolutely. We really love those themes. We love you guys. Yeah.

I just imagine them battling it out. Yeah. Maybe on a mountaintop. Giant snake and a monster. Like a rock monster, maybe? Probably a rock monster, yeah.

Cool. If you want to contact the show, you can at weeklyplatterpod at Gmail, Facebook, Twitter. You can find me on MrSundayMovies on Twitter and YouTube now, same name. And you can find Mason... At Wikipedia Brown on the Twitter. That's two ats.

Yeah, at-ats. So, yeah. Next week, X-ats. So, yeah. Next week, X-Men Days of Future Past. If you have opinions of it, please email them in and maybe we can include some in the show. I would love to hear about that, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's tracking pretty well at the moment. I love this online discussion we've got going on.

Me too. I love it. It's good. As I said, though, to you before, it does make me feel really bad that I can't include everything all the time. I try to do a Mason, but life is a series of challenges and failures as we've evidenced right now. Yeah, that's going to be good.

I can't wait to talk about it. Me too. Talking about it. Thanks everyone. Thank you. Bye. FX is the veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies

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