The Weekly Planet - 352 Franchises That Should Have Died

Episode Date: September 14, 2020

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Starting point is 00:00:43 The Weekly Planet. The Weekly Planet. Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of The Weekly Planet, where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr Sunday with me as always, is my co-host Nick Mason. Chilly old day in Melbourne, James. I tell you what, Mason, I thought bloody spring was coming in hot and fast, then you get a day like this and you're like, if you don't like the weather...
Starting point is 00:01:03 Yes, go on. What if I don't like the weather, it's gone. What if I don't like the weather, James? I don't have anything to say. What? I don't have anything to say, all right? I have nothing of interest up top of this podcast. I mean, that's life sometimes, isn't it? Especially these days. It's like, any updates?
Starting point is 00:01:17 Nope. I'm having trouble, like, connecting with people and hearing people with masks. You know what I mean? You go into a store. I had someone said. Well, let's say no to masks then, guys. That's not what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:01:27 I'm all for it. But someone said thank you at a store, and I had to get them to repeat it three times. Yeah, right. And then when I realized, I was like, oh, you could have just said, like, cool, thanks. You know what I mean? Like, ah.
Starting point is 00:01:39 Now I look like an idiot. Well, then you should follow the system which I follow, which is whenever anybody speaks to you on any level, just ignore them and walk away. Just go. Even when the masks go? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, then you should follow the system which I follow, which is whenever anybody speaks to you on any level, just ignore them and walk away. Just go. Even when the masks go? Yeah, yeah. Oh, interesting. Now, people, they're often here for the News of the Week, aren't they, Mason? Yes, before we get into the News of the
Starting point is 00:01:54 Week. Oh, okay. What have you got? Have you got something that comes before the News of the Week? I was just going to say, I was going to say there's time codes in the description. Oh, there absolutely is, yeah. People can jump about if there's something you want to go to. What are we going to be talking about this week, James? What do you want to talk about previous? There's all sorts of Star Wars shenanigans. Daisy Ridley's come out and people are like, Star Wars is bad forever.
Starting point is 00:02:09 Walking Dead news, there's Milan controversies. Thor news. Dune, or is it Dune, has a trailer. Wonder Woman gets pushed back, some other stuff. And then we've got a topic, something along the lines of movies that should have stopped but they didn't stop. They kept making them. We're going to figure out the finer details of that
Starting point is 00:02:27 as the episode progresses. We'll just sort of check our phones a little bit and stuff. Or we'll accidentally get to it and not realise we're there and then fumble our way through. Exactly right. The description of it. And sometimes we'll just read out one of the movies and go, yep, they should have made more of those.
Starting point is 00:02:42 They should have made more of those. Anyway, bye. No, the opposite. Oh, the opposite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so what were you saying? I made more of those. Anyway, bye. No, the opposite. Oh, the opposite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so what were you saying? I was going to say before that, side note, last night I was on a friend of the show, Ben Russell's Twitch stream.
Starting point is 00:02:52 Loving Ben Russell and what he's about. He's making some calls to various people. He's having some fun chats. It was good to catch up. Were you on the screen? No, I wondered if I was going to be because I'd not seen his channel before. Yeah. So I put regular clothes on, like outdoor clothes.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Sure. To wear, a tuxedo. Yeah, you're outdoor, yeah. Then it was just a phone call, but my face was on screen. Oh, that's good. Yeah, just like my Twitter profile picture. But if you missed that, what you can do is you can go to twitch.tv slash bondmember, B-O-N-M-E-M-B-E-R, and I think there's an archive of that
Starting point is 00:03:28 if you want to watch it. Terrific. Check it out. Yeah, Twitch is very interesting. He's a fun and interesting guy. Yeah, well, he's a fun and interesting guy. Oh, yeah, for sure. And if you like any of that, you can check out he's one of the hosts
Starting point is 00:03:38 of Gamey Gamey Game on YouTube. That's right, yes. They talk about video games in a vague sense, but it's very funny. Exactly. And he's also one third of the podcast The Grub. Yes. They do very rude, funny sketches. And the one that they're currently on hiatus, which is really good, Comedians Dying Slowly.
Starting point is 00:03:53 That's what it's called. Yeah, Time to Die, which will come back when everything comes back, but there's like four episodes up. Yeah, the essential element of Time to Die, the podcast, is comedians do live comedy on stage, which there's a little crimp in the plan. Yes, exactly. It's great. Anyways, we should do the show, Mason.
Starting point is 00:04:11 Let's do the show. Collider have reported exclusively, exclusive hot stuff. Borat has been, Borat 2. Yes. Because Borat's been filmed. We know it came out in 2006. But Borat 2 has been filmed and screened for a few select industry types. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:04:26 So, Sacha Baron Cohen was out there in the universe. Do you think he, okay, I'll read some more stuff and then I'll ask you the question. Then ask for my expert opinion. The public knows who he is now. You don't have to laugh that hard at that. No, it's a good joke, Mason. So, he had to go undercover to interview people. One source described the film as Cohen playing Borat playing Cohen.
Starting point is 00:04:46 But since we published this story, another source reached out to refute that description while still confirming the project exists. So we don't really know what it looks like. I think there's still, it's been 14 years. There's been enough time where not everybody would know who he is. Not everybody has seen Borat. Didn't he do something quite recently?
Starting point is 00:05:02 He did that. This is America? He did that, but wasn't there, didn't he do something live recently? He did that. This is America? He did that, but didn't he do something live recently? Like he was a country singer or something like that? I have no idea. I wonder if that was part of this. It might have been part of that other thing that he did. Maybe part of that other thing that he did. Was it This is America or Look at America? I am America.
Starting point is 00:05:18 You are America. Look at America. Some crazy shit in that show. So yeah, look forward to Borat 2 when that comes out. Yes. If they filmed it, which it seems like they did. Do you think you would be fooled if Borat came up to you? Absolutely not. Sasha Baron Cohen.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Oh, probably. Obviously Borat. Yeah, you wouldn't be fooled by Borat. No, but if he came up to me, yeah, I would probably be fooled because I'm not looking for it, am I? No. Like you wouldn't be. Pre-Borat, if Borat came up to you and he went to speak to you.
Starting point is 00:05:51 I don't know. Because I've asked this of people who've met like celebrities. Yeah. When you meet the celebrity, I've known people who are like, oh, I met this celebrity and I was like in awe of the celebrity. And I'm like, are you in awe of them because it's the celebrity or do they have a certain magnetism that made them a celebrity? Okay.
Starting point is 00:06:11 Like even if they weren't famous. Which celebrities are we talking about? I think Tommy Daslow met Jack Black. Oh, really? He seems like he's got a magnetic, kinetic energy. Well, that's to say this was like Tenacious D era, like before he was the big movie star. And I'm like, do you remember if it was like because he was in like a band
Starting point is 00:06:29 and it was a cool thing or was it because you're like, oh, this guy's fun and charismatic and I just want to be in that orbit, which is I think how a lot of celebrities get to where they are. And a lot of Instagram influences. Yeah, yeah, and us. And us, obviously. Right, not an unpleasant thing. You don't come to your us and you're like, hey,
Starting point is 00:06:44 it's that guy from the podcast, and you chat with this for a minute and you're like, I've got to go. I hate this. I don't like it. I don't know what it is specifically, but I don't like it. But I wonder if like because, you know, if you look at it. Because then you hear people who meet celebrities and they're like, I didn't know it was Matt Damon and I didn't even care about it.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Personally, I don't even like famous, lovable celebrity Matt Damon. I don't even like famous, lovable celebrity bad day, but I don't care. Yeah. So I'm wondering if we didn't know who Borat was and Borat came up to you, do you think you'd be like, ah, get away? Or do you think there's something about the charisma of the character and the man where you'd be like, I've got to hear out what he has to say. And I think also, especially if I was younger, there's a level of politeness that you put in place because you be like, I've got to hear out what he has to say at least. And I think also, especially if I was younger,
Starting point is 00:07:25 there's a level of politeness that you put in place because you're like, is he foreign? Does he have a head injury? Like I don't want to be rude. You know what I mean? But I don't know. I feel like now I'm more like if someone comes up and they're like, hey, hello, I'm like, fuck off.
Starting point is 00:07:40 Like that's like my immediately. You stay away from my family. You're not even there. You're by yourself. You're like, ew. I mean, if it's like weird and erratic stay away from my family. You're not even there. You're by yourself. You're like, ew. I mean, if it's like weird and erratic and I feel like I'm in some kind of danger. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, but no, but I think politeness would take over a lot of the time.
Starting point is 00:07:54 Yeah. You know? That's true. Because he's like this affable goof. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Who's also like a hot, like a dead slip in a horrible thing. But I also, I guess we're in that era where I would also be in fear that it was some sort of TV or movie related stunt.
Starting point is 00:08:09 Yeah, right, yeah. I think I would, as soon as somebody like that would come up to me, I'd be like, I cannot help you. I don't know whether though somebody would come up and I don't think they'd get anything out of me that's like horrendous. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he's getting people to say the N word or whatever.
Starting point is 00:08:24 Like that would be nearly impossible nearly impossible let's say actually impossible you know what i mean like i i don't think you'd be able to trick me into anything oh yeah yeah i'd hope yeah but i don't you know there you go anyway uh then also i would be concerned that they just like take individual fragments of what i said and then build the N word with it. And then I'd be like, ah, darn it. But I've met people who are like, and we spoke about one guy personally the other day, like a guy I went to uni with. Remember that guy was like, hello.
Starting point is 00:08:53 Remember that guy? And that was how he spoke and acted. And if I didn't know him personally, I'd be like, this is a bit like this whole thing. If I didn't see this guy every day for four years, I'd assume this was a bit. And maybe it still was a bit. Maybe he was attempting a Borat situation pre-Borat but the world was not ready for him. Anyways.
Starting point is 00:09:12 He was all like, ah-ha-ha-ha-ha. He was like that. Why was he like that? What you said was very amusing, ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Very odd duck, that bloke. Really was. Probably harmless? We don't know.
Starting point is 00:09:23 No, no, haven't seen him in the paper, so, you know. Okay, so this was big news this week, but Daisy Ridley had an interview with Josh Gad. In what context? I've seen the clip. Does he have a podcast? No, he was taking over Kimmel or Fallon or something. Wow, the production values have dropped a lot.
Starting point is 00:09:41 Well, they're all doing them from home or whatever. It's a spare room, I guess. Yeah, exactly. And she was talking. I mean, just do a fake Zoom background of,'re all doing them from home and whatever. It's a spare room, I guess. Yeah, exactly. And she was talking about- I mean, just do a fake Zoom background of like the Johnny Carson set. That's a really good point. Isn't it though? I think they're sorry because I know Colbert's sneaking back
Starting point is 00:09:53 into the studio and I mean he's filming in there now. Yeah, whatever. I think he's on hiatus at the moment. Anyway, they talked about the origins of Ray over the course of the Disney movies and this thing was revealed, which I didn't think was a particularly shocking revelation because it was evident in the last movie in particular. But this is the quote that she said. At the beginning they were toying with an Obi-Wan connection.
Starting point is 00:10:13 There were different versions. And then it really went where she was no one. I'm presuming that's before episode seven or around between episode seven and eight because I know Rian Johnson has talked about how they went through literally like every possible scenario they were like Obi-Wan, she's a robot, Luke Skywalker's daughter
Starting point is 00:10:33 they did literally everything and then it came to episode 9 and J.J. pitched me the film and was like oh yeah Palpatine's granddaddy you know what I mean and I was like awesome and then two weeks later he was like oh we're not sure so i kept changing uh so then even when i was filming i wasn't sure what the answer was going to be so yeah not a surprise but it probably showed up on
Starting point is 00:10:55 the day yeah it's just like oh that's your dad by the way granddad but i feel like you said that it was before episode seven i sense that they still didn't know no no sorry i'm i i meant to say eight if i said seven okay but yes i feel again in watching because there was so much speculation after the force awakens came out because i feel there were so many clues that she could have been anyone's i think offspring in that movie i made a video like five years ago when the movie came out and i went back and pinned a tweet, not pinned a comment at the top of it, that I think she's a Kenobi and I think that's when they were floating around the idea because his voice is in it.
Starting point is 00:11:30 Like there's a lot of parallels between her character and Obi-Wan. Every scene she's like, hello there. Hello there. Yeah. So I think that's- It's me, Rey Kenobi, she would say. Hello there. That's right.
Starting point is 00:11:40 And then you get that, you know, he's a Skywalker and she's a Kenobi but it's like flipped. You know what I mean? Yeah. Or whatever. Or is it flipped? It's whatever it is. There were enough flips.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Yeah, and then Rian Johnson obviously took it in a different direction and then they again took it in a, I think if it had been all J.J. Abrams movies, she probably would have been a Kenobi from the start because that Palpatine thing was a late inclusion. Like Colin Tavares wasn't going to do it. Right. He was going to roll with the. The thing they established in the previous movie.
Starting point is 00:12:07 And not directly contradict it in a recent show. But I still think though, if they had pulled off this last movie and maybe even changed that reveal and even if it was revealed that it was changed, like they went, oh, it was going to be this, but then it ended up being nothing. I think it would have been more well received and people would have been
Starting point is 00:12:23 like, they had no plan, but it worked out. But now it's like they had no plan and they fucked it. And it did not work out. You know what I mean? Exactly. And then the comparisons between, you know, the original trilogy. They were flying by the seat of their pants.
Starting point is 00:12:35 Yeah, but it was the 70s and early 80s. And they were and they weren't. Like there were pretty cool story beats that didn't deviate from it. But then there were things like Princess Leia's his sister. Like that was clearly like a last minute addition. But I think George Lucas probably around the time of the first film knew the Darth Vader thing. We don't really know.
Starting point is 00:12:53 I think all the – He changes in every interview. Exactly. And the vast majority of action beats and like the overarching plot was still the same. Yeah. But, I mean, again, people who are like, well, the original series was, you know, seat of their pants, no plan, and they pulled it off pretty well.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Yeah, but think of that. It's lightning in a bottle. Yeah, when has that ever happened? Well, exactly. It was probably like, you know, ten other movies that year that were like, we'll knock out a sequel for this. Yeah. Which is fine by the seat of our pants, 1970s style.
Starting point is 00:13:21 Yes, that's right. But we're going to knock out, as soon as this is a hit, we'll knock out a sequel. And it's like, oh, you didn't make any money and we've never heard of that movie again. Yeah, that's right. But we're going to knock out, as soon as this is a hit, we'll knock out a sequel. It's like, oh, you didn't make any money and we've never heard of that movie again. Yeah, that's right, exactly. And this is a situation which, hey, the company is now a billion-dollar juggernaut and now they're planning out a thing. You would think it would work out better if they planned it.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Yeah, absolutely it would, yeah. And look, what do you do? I mean, it's done. Oh, you make a better movie. Yeah, make a better movie. Problem solved. There'll be more Star Wars, you do? I mean, it's done. Oh, you make a better movie. Yeah, make a better movie. But like we just – Problem solved. There'll be more Star Wars. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:13:48 In fact, I think I said that before the movie came out. So why aren't you listening to To Be Disney? I think the main problem is, and we probably said this years ago, well, not the main problem, a problem is why are you opening with mysteries? You know? Like the first Star Wars, it's not a mystery. Like the information is presented and it turns out that some of that information is incorrect in the way it's presented to Luke.
Starting point is 00:14:09 But The Force Awakens is open with literally who's that? Is Finn a Jedi? Who's Kylo Ren? Where's Rey from? It's like all these questions and it's like you're setting yourself up for failure here because either people are going to puzzle it out or you're going to have an ending which people do not like. You know, I found, you know.
Starting point is 00:14:29 Just make a movie. A New Hope was quite mysterious. You're like, what's this big white pointy thing? What's this triangle coming? It's a big triangle. The triangle's getting bigger. It's such a big bloody triangle. Oh, it's a big spaceship.
Starting point is 00:14:40 Gotcha. Yep, yep, yep. You realise that how long into the movie? Oh, hours. You'd finished? Yeah, I'd watched it multiple times. I'd left. But what are you going to say? Sorry. No, Yeah, yeah, yeah. You realize that how long into the movie? Oh, hours. You'd finished? Yeah, I'd watched it multiple times. I'd left. But what are you going to say?
Starting point is 00:14:48 Sorry. No, that's all I have. That was all. Yeah, well, big triangles. Anyway, that's to lead into the Obi-Wan Kenobi. The series is gearing up. Ewan McGregor has talked about how it's nice that people come up to him now and they're like, we like those movies.
Starting point is 00:15:01 We grew up with them, you know? Sure. And I think that's probably going to be- Many leaves before they're like, sure, they weren't good in any objective measure. But you were fine in them. But I think we're again going to get that for the sequel movies in 10, 20 years.
Starting point is 00:15:14 It'll be the same thing. And I know there's people like, well, they're not going to be as- Just wait. Yeah, just wait. Again, when you're- I'm not trying to defend them because that last one in particular, like, oof. And I'm not going to defend any of the movies I watched as a kid,
Starting point is 00:15:26 but there's a certain sense of wonder to them. Yeah. Oh, it's just flashing lights and colours and there's a heroic story and you don't think about all the errors in all the plot holes or whatever in it. You just go, oh, okay. I just know there's a million ships and a million Death Stars. That's right.
Starting point is 00:15:42 That's all I need. So he said, I'm more excited about doing this one than I was the second and third one. So, you know, that's because after, yeah, it's great to see those movies. I'm just excited about working with Deborah Chow. She worked on The Mandalorian. Well, this will be Screen City of some sort, right?
Starting point is 00:15:57 Are they using the volume? It's called The Volume. I didn't know that. But that's cool. But you've got a sense of. You can actually see stuff. That's true, yeah. You don't have to use your imagination like lesser actors.
Starting point is 00:16:10 That's right. And the storyline's going to be really good. I'm really excited to play him again. It's been long enough since I played him before. So I think they said it's probably one and done in terms of seasons, but we'll see, won't we? We sure will. Because often these things, depending on how they're received,
Starting point is 00:16:26 extend beyond their lifespan. Speaking of, The Walking Dead is concluding. What other Ewan McGregor characters do you think should come back? Because, I mean... There is no island! The guy from The Island, sure. Because, I mean, you know, his character from Trainspotting came back. That's true.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Who else has come back? What else has he done? Let's see. His character from Moulin Rouge could come back. Yeah, as an Who else has come back? Let's see. His character from Moulin Rouge could come back. Yeah, as an even sadder poet. An even sadder poet. Exactly. Jack
Starting point is 00:16:53 and the Giant Killer or whatever. Serial Liar from Big Fish. Or was his dad... His dad was a liar. His dad was a serial liar. It's 20 years later and his mum's a liar this time. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:17:08 I'm just looking through his list of movies here, but I think we've named probably all of them. Do you want a robots sequel? What was that one with Reese Witherspoon? Was he in a movie with Reese Witherspoon? Yeah, Down With Love or something like that. Yeah, but now he's up with love. He's up for love.
Starting point is 00:17:21 Yeah. He's back and he's up for love. Do you want him back as the young Pope who's also a terrorist from Ageless and Demons? Yes. I've never seen I Love You, Philip Morris with Jim Carrey. Isn't that good? I've heard it's good, but I've also never watched it.
Starting point is 00:17:35 Yeah. Because we simply do not have time to watch good movies for this podcast. We don't, mate. We really don't. We're in our own real life. He's in Mordecai. I started watching Million Ways to Die in the West the other night because I'm like, I need something just to put on.
Starting point is 00:17:48 There's some jokes in that, man. It's a terrible movie. It didn't do well. Is he in that? Yeah, like in a very, very small cowboy cameo. Oh, I see. Right. Yeah, so there you go.
Starting point is 00:17:58 Do you want him to come back as an even sadder Christopher Robin? Maybe. He narrated the full-dome production Astronaut, created for the National Space Center. Was that him? 2006, so it's high time for that. Oh, mate, you're going to have to revamp that, because they've probably found some new stars and shit. That's him. Look, they've
Starting point is 00:18:14 found some new stars and shit. Take a seat. Alright. Or, no, I think it should just be, you go into the Space Center, and it's just Ewan McGregor, and it's just him. You just hear the audio recording, and it's clearly him being handed the exact same script as in 2006.
Starting point is 00:18:32 And he's just like, oh, yeah, this is a bit familiar. He's like, oh, okay, is this the same? What am I? Just read it. Just read it. You're contracted. You have to do it. The Walking Dead is concluding, Mason.
Starting point is 00:18:42 Oh, my goodness. In two years after a 24 episode final season. Oh, that's a big, big final season. Maybe they're always 20 to 24 episodes. I don't know. Maybe. But then we're going to get a Daryl and Carol spin-off. Right. And they're also working on...
Starting point is 00:18:57 I don't know anything about these characters. Bear in mind. A Daryl and Carol, a likely pairing or an unlikely pairing? They were very unlikely pairing, Mason. Really? Yeah, but they've always been friends. Daryl was a character that was invented for the show,
Starting point is 00:19:11 played by Norman Reedus, and Carol was from the comics, played by a different actor who I can't remember the name of. Not Norman Reedus. Not Norman Reedus. So this isn't a situation where Daryl and Carol have to go on adventures together but they're both played by Norman Reedus. That would be hilarious, Mason. So AMC is also working with Gimple to develop a new Tales of the Walking Dead series.
Starting point is 00:19:32 You're not going to click Gimple to see what Gimple is? Sure, let's check out Gimple. But also they're doing the Rick Grimes movies and all of those different things. Yeah, right, right, right. And our next book club for our comic book club is going to be, what's it going to be, Mason? Book one of the comic book, The Walking Dead, Robert Kirkman, and his name escapes me for the moment, but I'll.
Starting point is 00:19:51 Yeah. So Scott M. Gimple is a writer for comics and television. So I don't know, it's like a production. Tony Moore, I think was his name? Yeah. So it seems to be working with this guy. So I don't know whether it's a production company or this guy, Scott M. Gimple.
Starting point is 00:20:05 Okay, right. There you go. Anyway, I'm glad this is stopping, but it isn't. Are you still watching it? No. I've been out for four years. Okay. It's such a well-made show.
Starting point is 00:20:17 It's really good actors, but it just sucks. It's just not. That's a real shame. Yeah. Now, okay, so bearing in mind you haven't seen it for a couple of years, why do you think Carol and Daryl are teaming up? Well, they've always been like an unlikely pairing. That's something I do remember.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Well, at this point I would say they're very likely. You know what? It doesn't even suck because there's good episodes and good character moments in it, but it just for me, it's just spinning its wheels and all the good stuff happens in the mid-season finales. Oh, yeah, right. Then it's just a lot of like, what are we going to do?
Starting point is 00:20:48 It's like, just kill all the zombies, I guess. I don't know. Do what you normally do. What's next, Mason? Mission Impossible 7 has resumed filming with a stunt so insane, even Tom Cruise was like, no, he doesn't mind. He definitely did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:02 That's starting for Caravan of Garbage this week, aren't we? Yeah, we watched Mission Impossible 1 and 2 this week and have recorded those. Year and up, ready to go. That's exciting. That's a mixed bag, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, generally, as a whole, the series is not a mixed bag.
Starting point is 00:21:16 It's mostly very good, I think, but it's those first two. How much in a bag for it to be mixed? Like what's the ratio? 50-50. Do you think it's not like even like a one-third? Because I think you could say mixed bag with a one-third. I guess if it's some sort of lucky dip. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:32 One-third of bad gifts or trinkets would be a mixed bag. I understand. Very good. So that's exciting, that's starting up, I guess. No, it is. Now this stunt, he was leaping off a motorcycle. He was leaping a motorcycle off a giant ramp. Off a giant ramp.
Starting point is 00:21:48 And then he was parachuting. Yeah. But why? Good question. I mean, like, are they CGI-ing out that ramp? Like, where's it going? Is he on wires also? I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Oh, okay. Wow. But do you know what I mean? Like, is the ramp supposed to be something else or is it just a big ramp that he happens to come across? Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Is it like- What luck, this huge ramp.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Yes. But is it like- Terrorists attempting to steal this ramp. Like is it going to be somebody blows up a bridge and he- Yeah, maybe. CGI bridge and whatever. I don't know. Anyway, I just think it would be a bit rich to be like,
Starting point is 00:22:23 what luck, a big ramp. That's true. Yeah. Do you love controversy? Yes. I was going to say just before we do that, in Mission Impossible 2, he does parachute off like a building, if you recall. Oh, he does too.
Starting point is 00:22:34 That's a great screen. Yeah, see, that's exactly it. I imagine that's been eating at him for 20 years. He's just like, well, I've got to parachute off something for real. Well, he did in the last movie. I've got to do it again. He did the halo jump. He did like the highest jump ever in a movie or whatever. Yep. Do you remember, well, I've got to parachute off something for real. Well, he did in the last movie. I've got to do it again. He did a halo jump. He did like the highest jump ever in a movie or whatever.
Starting point is 00:22:47 Do you remember? Yeah, I know. But that's the thing though. That was all CGI lightning and it looked weird. Yeah, but I also think that there is I'm sure there's a lot of danger in a halo jump but there is also a lot of danger in a low altitude jump as well because apparently there's less time for the parachute to open and if you do it too low
Starting point is 00:23:03 then the parachute just like, and you die. Or you could hit the bike. You could also hit the bike, yeah. Or the ground. Or the ground. Does the bike get a parachute? Good question.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Do you think that's his new sidekick? Tom Cruise would insist that the bike gets a parachute. Maybe Ving Rhames' character has died and they've put his personality into the motorbike. Of all the, oh, what if it's Emilio Estevez's character? Oh, my God, because he's a tech guy. Yeah, and they put him in the motorbike. Of all the, oh, what if it's Emilio Estevez's character? Oh, my God, because he's a tech guy. Yeah, and they put him in the motorbike. That'd be great.
Starting point is 00:23:30 Yeah. I'd love that. And he's like, hasta lasagna. Don't get any on ya. It's the motorbike. It's his popular expression. Yes, I'm bringing it back. Just a little preview.
Starting point is 00:23:41 I'm bringing that back. Not a moment too soon, might I add. So with the world we're in currently, now you too soon, might I add. So, with the world we're in currently. Now, you were saying, do I mind controversies? Yes. I love them. So, Disney in its Milan credits, it thanked a government body
Starting point is 00:23:55 in the western province in China where around 2 million, and I'm not sure of the exact pronunciation, but I looked it up. I think it's Uyghurs, but it's pronounced U-I-G-H-U-R, Muslims who have been forced into concentration camps by the Chinese government. And they thanked this particular region.
Starting point is 00:24:11 They thanked them, yeah. And it seemed like because the time that it was filmed, this was already widely known in the world. Yes. This isn't something that I was familiar with because I'm not across all the world events, but it seems like something that a major corporation might want to look into. They'd be like, can we get some permits to film here?
Starting point is 00:24:31 And they're like, well, yes. Could we film in Canada instead? Well, that's the thing because Disney CFO, Christine McCarthy came out and said to acknowledge in a film's credits, the national and local governments that allowed you to film there,
Starting point is 00:24:46 you know, that's a common thing. So in our credits it recognised both China and the locations in New Zealand, which was the majority of it was shot. But they needed some, like, particular shots, which is why they went to China apparently. I would leave it at that, but it has generated a lot of issues for us. Wow. Well, boo-hoo for you.
Starting point is 00:25:02 Yeah, so. And the rest of the statement says, so we are going to throw money at it until it is no longer an issue. That's right. So three sources have been outlined and said that as a result of this, there's been this media blackout for Milan in China. Yeah, of course. They were hoping that this would, you know, this would break in.
Starting point is 00:25:19 Generate some buzz, yeah. Hundreds of millions of dollars, yeah. Two of them said that the sources for it to be blocked came from the Cyberspace Administration in China. A fourth source is also a major Chinese newspaper that received a text with similar orders from a senior colleague. No reason was given for the notice for the media blackout, but sources say that it was believed because it was the backlash
Starting point is 00:25:43 about what appeared in the credits and in the movie. So, you know, it just seems like they did kind of bend over backwards to make this movie that would have appealed to all markets, in particular China, and it's just blown up. And that's also as a result of the pandemic, obviously. There was also the leader of the movie who expressed sympathy for the Hong Kong police, which is a whole other situation. So it's just a bit of a shit show.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Well, that's the thing. When I heard that initially, I'm like, well, that is, I don't, I'm not, I don't care for that. It's not, that's not, not my bag, you know, support for those protesters. But at the same time, so many other people were involved in the movie. And, you know, I don't, I don't necessarily think it's, you know, right to boycott a thing because one person in it is, you know. But then I'm like, oh, the rest of this, oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Exactly. And the other thing about that is we don't know her particular situation. You know what I mean? I'm not trying to defend it. I think that's the terrible thing to say, but she lives there. You've got family there. You know what I mean? So it's, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:26:41 I don't know. It's all bad. And she's an actor, and a lot of actors say dumb stuff. I don't know if you're aware of that. Almost constantly. It's kind of crazy, right? Yeah. It's almost like that charismatic aura that we talked about earlier
Starting point is 00:26:53 and so you overlook all the dumb stuff they say for the most part except when it's in print and you don't have the charismatic aura and then you're like, oh. Or it's a weird Instagram video or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a weird Instagram video. Pretty good, right? They seem to have dialed down a little bit.
Starting point is 00:27:08 Because of the start of the pandemic. Yeah, because all their agents and PR people have been like, don't make any front-facing video camera sing-alongs with your friends. If you do, make them in a blank room so people cannot see your enormous living room and swimming pool. Absolutely, yeah. This is from The Hollywood Reporter. So apparently they're using the StageCraft LED screens,
Starting point is 00:27:32 as mentioned, for the Obi-Wan thing to shoot Thor, the next Thor, Thor 4, Love and Thunder. So there's one in LA. They're building one in London currently, I think maybe at Pinewood, but I'm just guessing. It's probably Pinewood, isn't it? It's probably Pinewood. There's also a larger custom one for Fox Studios Australia, which Thor 4 is going to implement and use.
Starting point is 00:27:53 That makes sense. I mean, it's perfect timing for this technology really, isn't it? It could not have come at a more opportune moment. Yeah, right. So also Chris Hemsworth was asked. They said, Chris Hemsworth, do you want to be Thor or do you want to quit being Thor? And he said, are you crazy? I'm not going into retirement, period.
Starting point is 00:28:13 It's got brackets, laughs. Thor is way too young for that. I'm only 1,500 years old. It's definitely not a film that I say goodbye to this brand. At least I hope so. So it looks like I'm going to be getting Thor movies for a while. So what do you think of that? Pretty good.
Starting point is 00:28:29 Like him, like Thor. So do you think there's a – I feel I've made my opinions on Thor particularly – I think you have. It's pretty good. You run the risk of kind of Jack Sparrowing it where there's no end date on it so people are like, okay. I don't think that's that now.
Starting point is 00:28:44 No, but I mean I think the key element, it's not that the audience tired of Jack Sparrow, it's that the audience tired of the Carson Cruz exhaustion with the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise I think. I feel especially the last couple, like their exhaustion and their being done with this concept was just palpable on screen. Oh, you could feel it. It felt like a big sigh the whole movie, didn't it?
Starting point is 00:29:11 A big sad sigh. And again, I don't know Chris Hemsworth from A Beautiful Bar of Soap. I think you would be able to determine the difference, Mason. Yeah, maybe, yeah. As I go on. I mean, they probably both smell a bloody Byron Bay patchouli. You're the difference, Mason. Yeah, maybe, yeah. As I go on. I mean, they probably both smell of bloody Byron Bay patchouli. You're not wrong, mate.
Starting point is 00:29:33 But I get the sense that if he wasn't, you know, I get the sense that he doesn't need the money and nor would he just like. He has a big Chris Hemsworth compound. That's exactly what I'm saying. And I don't think if he wasn't feeling the enthusiasm for it, I don't think he'd just churn him out. He feels like he'd just move on to another project. And I think, you know, this is obviously his most popular role. Like he's done other successful things, but this is like,
Starting point is 00:29:50 this is by far. Neighbours. Was it Home and Away? One of them. He did like a Mission, not Mission, but Men in Black, which wasn't super successful. He did the one where he had to find a whale that was the real Moby Dick or whatever.
Starting point is 00:30:03 Like he's done other stuff. Whale finder, colon, the real Moby Dick or whatever. Like he's done other stuff that hasn't done a film. Whale finder, colon, the real Moby Dick. A true story. Second colon, we found him. Mason did the sharkers. Because he would, wouldn't he? He did the sharkers, yeah. Wait, was that a documentary or a real movie?
Starting point is 00:30:17 That was a real movie with him and Tom Holland, Ron Howard directed it. Oh, okay. Remember? No, not at all. But then he does like that action Netflix one that did reasonably well. So there you go. Yeah, why wouldn't you do it?
Starting point is 00:30:27 If he likes it, you're working with Taika Waititi at like a cool cast, you're filming in your home country, there's no reason why he wouldn't do it. That's right. Yeah. Go down the street and get an Apporto chicken wrap. Oh, my God. He wouldn't. Would he?
Starting point is 00:30:38 Maybe he would. Maybe last day of filming he celebrates with an Apporto chicken wrap. Probably. And a pint. Maybe a pot. Yeah, maybe a pot. That's right. Yeah. Or a a pint? Maybe a pot. Yeah, maybe a pot. That's right. Or a schooner.
Starting point is 00:30:48 Or a vitamin water. A big pint of vitamin water. No, that's too many calories probably. You're probably right. He's burning enough, I think. Probably like he'd have a pint. He'd say, I'll get a pint. And then he'd pause briefly.
Starting point is 00:30:58 And then he'd be like of like mineral water. I reckon he's- With like a hint of flavor. I still reckon he's a bit- Because I saw his dad shirtless. Excuse me. In the- Something popped up.
Starting point is 00:31:09 I wasn't looking for it. I think you're going to say in my kitchen. Yeah, he was in my kitchen. But he's like- His dad is in incredible shape. So I think he also has like good genetics. Okay, right. He could probably get away with it.
Starting point is 00:31:18 Yeah. Dune has a trailer. Yes. Is it Dune or June, et cetera? The joke. The thing we do. Yeah. Oh, side note. Art Attack's in the news.
Starting point is 00:31:27 We know. Oh, yes, we do know, yes. We're well aware. We mentioned Art Attack in passing. And by pure random chance. I want to be very clear, and it turns out that Neil Buchanan, the host of Art Attack, has denied being Banksy. My understanding is that Banksy, like you can look it up.
Starting point is 00:31:42 Yeah, you know, people know who he is already, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like one of those things. It's one of those things where if you want to know who he is, you can just look it up and like a couple of websites in, they'll be like, oh, yeah, it's this guy. Most people sort of want to maintain the magic and be like, oh, who is it? What's his deal?
Starting point is 00:31:56 Who's the guy? But we know. Yeah. I also want to point out that when you were explaining to me what Art Attack was, I wasn't really listening, so I still don't know what Art Attack is. Now you're going to get people explaining to you what an Art Attack is.
Starting point is 00:32:07 What were we talking about? Dune. Oh, Dune. Oh, we got an email. I was going to put this in email in the letters segment. Well, then do it. Don't break the tradition. No, I'm going to break the tradition. This is Adam Campbell. Adam here from Japan. Love the show. Big fan. Watching and listening for ages, etc. Anyway, I just had to tell you that
Starting point is 00:32:23 Dune vs. Dune has been settled once and for all. The official Japanese version of the Dune trailer lists the name as, and we have some katakana here, and that is ju, and that's yu. That's a yu. Yeah. And then that line extends it, and then there's an N at the end. So it's D-U-N.
Starting point is 00:32:41 D-U-N. D-U-N. I mean, it's been settled in Japan. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also I've deliberately mispronounced that for a laugh. So, yeah. So you were further down whatever kind of rabbit hole this is.
Starting point is 00:32:54 If anything, this is an additional wrinkle. Is it Dune or June or Dune? Or Dunk. Might be Dunk. It still looks a little bit like Dunk. But anyway, that trailer is out. Anyway, thank you. Thank you. So these are my notes. Various sand scapes. Adam little bit like Dunk. But anyway, that trailer is out. Anyway, thank you.
Starting point is 00:33:05 Yeah. So these are my notes. Various sandscapes. Adam from Japan, sorry. Thank you, Adam. These are my notes. Various sandscapes. A big worm.
Starting point is 00:33:17 Dunecan, Idaho. Good note. Excellent. Is that anything? Yeah, I think so, yeah. Cool. Because Dunk and- You should try it out on your family. See what that's like to say.
Starting point is 00:33:25 Just walk in now. We'll pause the podcast and you go to your wife and your kid and you can be like, June, can I go? Maybe we can do a live reaction video. My son would not be impressed. Claire might. She wouldn't. He called me a frog earlier. He did.
Starting point is 00:33:42 He had the option to say goodbye to you. No, he did it earlier. Like, unprompted. You asked him to do it the other day and then he's remembered. So what do you think of this trailer? It looks pretty good. It looks good, doesn't it? Yeah. It's an all-star cast out there.
Starting point is 00:33:58 That's crazy. We also watched the Dune trailer. Yes. Someone has put together a- Side by side with clips from David Lynch's Dune. Yes. And sort of comparing the various characters. That's from Matt Skutter on SKUTA on YouTube.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Sorry, go on. And sort of comparing the various actors, portraying the characters and scene by scene, what has been recreated shot by shot kind of thing. Do you think one of them looks better than the other? I mean it is. I like the big boxy force fields. It's a close race.
Starting point is 00:34:40 I think the new one with millions and millions more dollars of cutting edge visual effects technology and costuming. Yes. He's better, actually. Do you think David Lynch, if he had the technology that's available now, then could have made something like this? Because he's an amazing filmmaker. But do you think he's got, I mean, they're different, aren't they? I think he had his heart set on those boxy force fields,
Starting point is 00:35:00 so I don't think he would change anything. I'm not against the boxy force field. It's just a bad looking effect now. Well, that's what he wanted. He was dead set on a bad looking boxy force field. It's just a bad-looking effect now. Well, that's what he wanted. He was dead set on a bad-looking boxy force field effect. You could make that look good, I feel, like a boxy force field. Yeah, but what I'm saying is he didn't want it to look good. Well, then he succeeded, didn't he? That's part of the David Lynch style.
Starting point is 00:35:15 He's just like, I don't want things to look good. Yeah. So I've also, well, we talked about this before the show, but how is this going to go? Right. Like, is this going to John Carter it? Is it going to be the next Star Wars, as some people are saying? I think there's a few things that are on its side. One is not that the director exclusively makes amazing movies that people don't watch.
Starting point is 00:35:34 But that is certainly a factor, isn't it? Yeah. They give him $200 million to make a movie, nobody sees. But it's cast young and popular. Yeah. Like your Timothee Charlemagne and your Zendaya's. And even like, you got your Jason Momoa's, your Oscar Isaac's. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:35:49 There's people in there that you've got your different quadrants that it might appear to. That's true, yeah. This is a full quadrant picture. That's what I'm saying. But then again, like that doesn't mean anything necessarily, but you're getting in a bunch of different audiences by casting that way.
Starting point is 00:36:04 Yeah, right. You've got your Dave Bautista fans and whatever. Stellan Skarsgård heads. Oh, my Skarsgård heads. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. So I don't know anything. Oh, you're Stellan Skarslads.
Starting point is 00:36:18 They're lads. Oh, yes. And they like Stellan Skarsgård. Of course they do. He's an amazing actor. He's great in Thor. Yes. I'm just thinking of, yeah, it is the right, I'm thinking of the right Skarsgård. You are thinking of the right Skarsgård. Of course they do. He's an amazing actor. He's great in Thor. Yes. I'm just thinking of, yeah, it is the right,
Starting point is 00:36:26 I'm thinking of the right Skarsgård. You are thinking of the right Skarsgård, it's true. A lot of Skarsgårds out there. Be aware, everybody. We don't have a trailer breakdown or anything on it because I don't know anything about Dune and I don't want to learn anything before this. Right.
Starting point is 00:36:38 I want to go in hot and fresh. Yeah. Look, I think it probably will do well. Then there's a pandemic also. Okay, then it's going to go poorly. It's going to go very poorly. Because Tenet's doing like. I don't think this will John Carter it because I think this is
Starting point is 00:36:51 as a cultural product people are like, oh, the idea of Dune, that's very, I know what it is. I know it's a beloved sci-fi franchise and it's something I should see. Whereas John Carter, people are like, what was that? But a lot of people don't know what this is though. Oh, yeah. You know, because there hasn't been a movie. Well, they did a show and there was Dune and then Sons of Dune.
Starting point is 00:37:13 I mean, we've been talking about it for like seven to eight years. A million years. But there were TV series because they redid it in the late 90s and then there was a sequel series with James McAvoy. Yeah, in like 2003, yeah. Yeah, both of which I haven't seen either. But that's not like. No, that did not break into the public consciousness.
Starting point is 00:37:30 What was that even on? Sci-fi channel? We didn't have that here. We had four channels then and now we've got five. What's next, Mason? Oh, yeah, this is probably, this is Dune related sort of. What do you think of the look of the sandworm? It's great.
Starting point is 00:37:43 It's like big and menacing and terrifying and it's pushing up all the sand particles what do you think like what do you think of the look of um oscar isaac's hair and beard that's what i was gonna say terrific always terrific i'm the best yeah i'd i'd kill everybody i know for that for that beard and hair mason that combination on you or you just mean you want him you've had just you want him to shave it off put it in a bag I don't want to shave it off. I want skin and all, and I want to put it on one of those foam mannequin heads. You want him to be scalped. Yes, Mason.
Starting point is 00:38:10 Okay. So what else have we got here? So this is deadline initially reported that Warner Brothers might be moving Wonder Woman 84 again from its current release date of... was current release date of October 2nd. And then there was rumours that maybe Black Widow was going to get bumped and was going to take the November spot of Black Widow. Bumped to streaming?
Starting point is 00:38:30 No, I don't think so. Yeah, I didn't think so either. But maybe. But then it has been officially revealed that Wonder Woman is moving to Christmas Day. Christmas Day? Christmas Day, I say. Yes.
Starting point is 00:38:41 Not even boxing today? No, Christmas today. Wow. Because now they're opening movies open on Christmas. That's true, yeah. Not everybody gives a shit about Christmas. That is very true. If I could escape it, I would go and see Wonder Woman 2 on Christmas Day.
Starting point is 00:38:54 Well, you can't. You're going to be here transforming overly complicated Transformers all day. So true. And then on Boxing Day, I'm going to be doing a movie breakdown for Wonder Woman 1984 when I should be on holiday. It's going to be good. So there you go. Not a surprise.
Starting point is 00:39:10 There's speculation like this is to give Tannessa some breathing room. It hasn't done super well as of so far, obviously, because it can't. So I don't know. Yeah. And I never will. James, if there was a Deadpool movie coming out, so if there was a Deadpool, like Deadpool 3 was coming out, that trailer would say, coming out whenever,
Starting point is 00:39:33 and then Deadpool would be like, I don't even know. And they could record some new dialogue because he's wearing a mask. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He could say literally, he could even do it on the day. He could say, today is September 14th. Yeah. Yeah, so there you go. Here's a question for you, our last bit of news.
Starting point is 00:39:50 I'm ready. Do you love Robocop but wish he wasn't in it? No. That went a different direction than I thought. What, is this going to be Delta City Police or something? So moviehole.net have reported that Ed Neumeier, who he was one of the co-writers of the original Robocop, revealed that MGM is developing a Robocop prequel TV series
Starting point is 00:40:10 centering around the movie's villain, Dick Jones. There's the idea of doing things about business and law enforcement in the city of Detroit a minute and a half in the future. It would do all sorts of stories about business and tech and Silicon Valley and corporations, snakes in suits. Snakes in suits? That's right. That is the future.
Starting point is 00:40:30 Cops, all that. That's a wonderful, rich tapestry. So we're talking about it and it would be an interesting story to fund a work with a younger version of Dick Jones. We meet in Robocop. He's an actualised corporate predator in the movie, but nobody necessarily starts out as the bad guy, so it's going to be the evolution of Richard Jones
Starting point is 00:40:46 to Dick Jones. Oh. Yeah, and the story of OCP and how the world moves into the future and how the corporate world behaves before he gets machine gunned. And Robocop's not in it. And Robocop's not in it. I don't know if I've emphasised. He's not even in Detroit because he transfers in at the start
Starting point is 00:41:02 of the first one. He's not even going to be around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, this is good. This is why you're in this show because I want some hot takes. I can't even – look, I can't rule it out being bad. Again, like – Well, the thing about Robocop is it's not a good movie just because of Robocop.
Starting point is 00:41:17 No, no. So much of that is the world, but also it's called Robocop. Maybe don't take out the core element of the movies for the TV series. I mean, did they look at Gotham and went, well? I think possibly. There's so many prequel series. Batman series worked without Batman. There was Krypton.
Starting point is 00:41:34 Yep. There was Smallville. These are not uncommon things to happen. Imagine a universe, but before. I guess Ed 209 could still be in it. Yeah. No, isn't he new at the start? I guess he's new-ish, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you'd could still be in it. Yeah. No, isn't he new at the start? I guess he's new-ish, yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:46 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you'd see a proto one at some point. That's true, yeah. Yeah. Oh, look, whatever, man. Robocop World, sure. Yep.
Starting point is 00:41:54 But he's not in it, obviously. So there you go. Do you think we would see, like, various Robocop prototypes just running wild? I think maybe. Like running loose? Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. Probably. We'd get hints of it. I think Lewis will be in it. Like Running Loose? Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting.
Starting point is 00:42:05 Probably. I think Lewis will be in it. Which one's Lewis? Parker Lewis from the TV series Parker Lewis Can't Lose. I don't even know what you mean. It was like a Ferris Bueller rip-off series. Okay, right. No, I'm not saying.
Starting point is 00:42:16 Is it good? Could he lose? Not really. I mean, that would defeat the premise of the title, wouldn't it? I guess it would. No, Officer Lewis was Murphy's partner. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:26 The lady cop. She actually in Parker Lewis can't lose? No. I don't know what's happening, Mason. Yeah, I understand. So, yeah. Anyway, before we get into our topic, we have a website. Beans Baxter?
Starting point is 00:42:38 Beans Baxter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We have a website called bigsandwich.co. If you want to sign up, that's like a Patreon tier that we control And get most of the money from And there's movie commentaries go up there There's bonus podcasts There's an ad-free feed for this podcast
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Starting point is 00:45:21 slash weeklyplanet. And you can actually get an extra three months for free. That's ExpressVPN.com slash weeklyplanet. Shh, he's coming back. Pretend I was never here. Mason, what do you think about this in terms of a topic that we could talk about today, this very day? Go on. Movies that should have stopped at one movie, but then they went, do you want more of these movies? And everyone went initially, oh, maybe.
Starting point is 00:45:44 But then they made them and people went, no our initial impression was wrong yes we will not see these movies but you okay you keep making them what's happened what we've uncorked some sort of genie from this bottle and we hate it and so the proviso is here that it has to be there's one initial absolute banger you know people loving it yeah and then everything else from there is worse. Okay, sure. And I think there are examples of here where I've got things that are, you know, they're fine, but they're nowhere near like the first one.
Starting point is 00:46:12 Like The Matrix might be a good example. Let's say Terminator doesn't count because even though there's been a million bad ones, there's two good ones. You know what I mean? That's true, yeah. So that's the kind of, that's the idea here. But seeing as we are getting a new Robocop series where he's not in it at all.
Starting point is 00:46:27 Yeah. Or maybe we get a cybernetic leg at some point that hints towards. Oh, and it goes wild. There's just a cybernetic leg popping around. There's just a gun popping out of it shooting people. Oh, my God. But I think that's a good one to start on because Robocop is, it's a cult classic, right?
Starting point is 00:46:42 Yes. It's still around in comics and various other mediums. We got a reboot a few years ago. Do you think they should have stopped at one Robocop, even though I think Robocop 2 is not a terrible movie? Yes, I definitely think they should. Oh, just before we get into it, just for people who are wondering, this is a suggestion of John from Louisiana who emailed in last week,
Starting point is 00:47:04 if you recall. Oh, thank you, John from Louisiana. He's in Louisiana and there was that whole hurricane situation. Oh, that's right. I hope he's doing better. I hope everyone in Louisiana is doing better. But hopefully this will cheer you right up, John. This one's for you, buddy.
Starting point is 00:47:15 That's right. But also all the other listeners. You don't have it exclusively. John, this is just for you. I'm going to emphasise that this is just for you in particular. Because there's so much spin-ff media from Robocop. Yes. And there's some good stuff.
Starting point is 00:47:28 Well, that's the thing. Like I think we should, if we're talking franchises, I have to look through everything and go, okay, do two additional terrible movies. Do you think Robocop 2 is terrible? I mean, I guess there's three additional movies because there's a reboot or whatever. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:47:43 And there's a bunch of like made-for-TV movies. And there's a bunch of made-for-TV movies. There's a cartoon and there's a live-action series. Yeah. What I'm saying is if there's bad additional media, at some point do we get a really good thing that justifies there being all these sequels. Robocop 2 is still pretty good, I think. Yeah, I agree.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Yeah, it's three where it really took a dive, I think. It's got a jet pack and it's not fun anymore. Yeah, and it was PG. You'd think it would be fun if you had a jet pack. Right, and a gun arm. That's a recipe for fun. A gun arm and a jet pack. Oh, my goodness.
Starting point is 00:48:16 But they toned down all the violence. They switched out the lead. There's a bunch of things in that movie that are not good. Yes. Yeah. And Marvel had a comic book series and there's been a bunch of Dark Horse stuff, Robocop versus the Terminator. Of course, a good one and a not good one.
Starting point is 00:48:30 Yeah. Or maybe they're all not good. Who's to say? And if there was no Robocop franchise sequels, he'd never appear in Mortal Kombat 11. That's true. It's looking pretty cool in that. So do you think it's worth it just for Mortal Kombat 11,
Starting point is 00:48:42 a game that you don't have? No. Absolutely it's not. Okay, well, what we have to do is we have to make a decision here for each of these. Do we wipe out all the other movies in existence? Would our lives suffer if we wiped out every other thing after the original? I'm still banking on a good Robocop, so I'm going to say no.
Starting point is 00:48:59 Okay. Keep it around. It's kept in the zeitgeist even if most of it's not great. Are we factoring in that if we, let's say we could go back in time and like remove all the other Robocop sequels and spin-offs and comics and cartoons and whatever, are we factoring in that the deluge of fan demand for sequels would annoy us to death?
Starting point is 00:49:20 I think we have to maybe take that out of the equation because every single one of these would be like, only one Star Wars, but people would be just wanting more Star Wars. We know, but I think we're going to have to take it out. We're going to show you. Yeah, you're probably right. And I'm going to say, just one Robocop. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's right. I can't really disagree
Starting point is 00:49:37 with that. What's, I think, really compelling about, I think, every one of these on the list is they're all like, oh, I would like to see more of that, right, you know, and Robocop but good, you know what I mean? There's so much potential to make something amazing off the back of a lot of these. You know what, James?
Starting point is 00:49:56 You know what we'd miss out on if we got rid of all the other Robocop stuff, the Robocop 3 game on the Amiga 500. Is that a good game? Yes. How about you keep that then? It was in 3D. Oh, my God. Yeah, but then I'd be like, what happened to Robocop 2?
Starting point is 00:50:08 Why'd they make a second sequel only on the Amiga 500, which I'm loving. I'm loving it. I'm clicking my mouse. Oh, my God, I'm in a driving sequence. Wasn't that not a good game? That was great. I bet it wasn't.
Starting point is 00:50:21 It was good. It was excellent. You look it up. You look it up. Watch a Let's Play while we do the rest of this. You'll be like, this is amazing. He uses a little targeting sensor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:30 Oh, my God. I've written here Donnie Darko because there is a sequel, but what do you see? Extra Darko? Yeah. Donnie Darko 2 Extra Darko? Yeah. But if you've seen Donnie Darko.
Starting point is 00:50:40 More Darko still. Spoiler alert for all of these, including Donnie Darko, but he gets. S Darko? It's about his sister, right? He gets killed by a plane engine. I don't know, like, including Donnie Darko, but he gets- S. Darko? It's about his sister, right? He gets killed by a plane engine. I don't know, like, the first Donnie Darko. I know you don't. Yeah, so-
Starting point is 00:50:50 I'm saying zero Donnie Darkos. Wow. Well, I don't have much to say about Donnie Darko, so, yeah, that's fine with me. What are all the college students, what are all first-year college and university students going to put up in, like, the 2000s on their wall? They will have moved on from their Donnie Darkos. I'm saying in the past. What are they going to do?
Starting point is 00:51:06 It doesn't matter. A second Reservoir Dogs poster? A second Pink Floyd poster where all the Pink Floyd albums are on the backs of naked ladies or whatever? Are they going to put that on there? These are all valid points, but you're getting rid of Donnie Darko. Scarf? Another Scarface poster?
Starting point is 00:51:22 Another Scarface poster. Wow. I'm getting rid of Donnie Darko, yes. That's fine, whatever. So Starship Troopers has two live action sequels and some other animated stuff. Dump them. Dump them all?
Starting point is 00:51:33 Yep. Yeah, I agree. The third one is the one where they bring back Casper Van Diem in live action and there's the mech suits and whatever. The second one's more kind of alien-esque and it's set inside a base and whatever. But they're not good. No, absolutely not. The first one is more kind of alien-esque and it's set inside a base and whatever. But they're not good. No, absolutely not. The first one is
Starting point is 00:51:48 teetering on not good as well. That's another Paul Verhoeven classic, right? No, I don't think that's teetering on not good. I think that is genuinely a good movie. It does have that weird it's not like Robocop but it's this weird universe that's horrible. Did we recently do, maybe we did on
Starting point is 00:52:03 We Got This Covered Covered, did we recently cover an article on what the secret meaning of Starship Troopers was? I think we may have. Yeah, where it's like you might think this is just an action movie but it's about fascism. Is it? See all the black leather outfits and the SS hats
Starting point is 00:52:20 and stuff, it's actually about is it really? You thought it was just about a movie about people shooting bugs. Well, it's actually about. You're an idiot, actually. It's about a militaristic society where everybody, is it? Is it because all the people who have to join up to the army if they want to become actual citizens.
Starting point is 00:52:35 Is that what it's about? Wow. Invading, you know, another planet unnecessarily for its resources. Yeah. And then pitting it on them. Incredible. So, yeah, I agree. Get then pitting it on them. Make it credible. So, yeah, I agree. Get rid of it all.
Starting point is 00:52:47 But love a good sequel. Also, if people have major disagreements, we could do a follow-up on this maybe next week. We could call it major disagreements. Oh, we could. Yeah. That's right. I'm busy next week, though, doing this show with another topic.
Starting point is 00:52:59 Oh, well, what I'm saying is we could include it in there. Oh. Yeah. If you think. I'm still busy. Okay. Right. No, it's true. We're both very busy. But if people want to email oh yeah if you think i'm still busy okay right now it's true
Starting point is 00:53:05 we're both very busy but if people want people email in if you're like no but what about this robocop comic book which was the best comic book ever made yeah you know if you want to let us know nah all right don't do it then i disagree no i disagree with that uh sentiment that there's a robocop comic that that makes the whole thing worthwhile. Wow. Then I haven't read them all. Okay. What about The Matrix? There's some good stuff in those sequels.
Starting point is 00:53:30 I agree. But they're not as good, obviously. And then you've got your Animatrix, you've got your video games, including one of my faves, The Path of Neo, where you fight ants. Yeah. But I would wipe all that. Interesting. Just for this movie to exist by itself as this oddity action flick
Starting point is 00:53:48 that's much replicated but never as successful. I think the core ideas are so strong and it's just so revolutionary that you could just leave it alone. Yeah, right. We're not wiping out video games, are we, though, really? So I could still get my path of... No, we're wiping out video games. Oh we, though, really? So I could still get my Path of Neo, right? No, we're wiping out video games. Oh, boo!
Starting point is 00:54:05 Yeah, we're wiping all... You know what? You could get the first third of Path of Neo. That's fair. Because it's the first movie. That's all you would get. Oh, not the ants! Then it would glitch and break your PS2 or whatever it was.
Starting point is 00:54:19 Worth it. Totally worth it. This is one I would want to reserve judgment until we get the next Matrix movie. You could say that for every one of these, though. Oh, I could. A lot of these I'd be happy to be like, nope, don't care. But I'm genuinely excited to see what this sequel becomes.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Would you be more excited if there was nothing in between, though? Or would you be like, they're going to botch this? Oh, but that's the thing. I can't make that decision because if there's no sequels we can't get the remake. That's the rules of this. Yeah, you're right. The rules of this that we can change at any time are... No, no, I'm locked into it, I think. Okay, good.
Starting point is 00:54:53 I think there, for me, I think there's enough interesting concepts in the Matrix sequels that I would like them to stick around even though they are quite bad. Okay. Like the idea, you know, although I wonder, look, I'm allowing fan fiction. I think that we should allow.
Starting point is 00:55:10 Or just flights of fancy. I think we should allow comics and spin-offs and art movies in general. Like video games. Well, agree to disagree. Except if they're like based on, like you said, one third of Path of Neo. Yeah, right. You know, that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:55:24 Yeah, because, I mean, I love all the extended concepts of like, well, if this isn't the real world, if it is a computer system, what can we do with that? Oh, we can hack it and we can build an infinite corridor of doors and you can. Big ants. Yeah, big ants. You can quick jump to an arena with big ants and fight the big ants
Starting point is 00:55:41 or whatever. Yeah, that'd be cool. Or, you know, that's all I have. Those are good examples. The ghost guys. They said there were ghosts in them, but maybe they're werewolves? There are also werewolves, yes. But aren't those guys werewolves?
Starting point is 00:55:55 The ghost guys? Yeah. No, they're ghosts. I think they might not be ghosts and be something else. They're definitely ghosts. I disagree. But the line in that movie that I don't care for is the one where they're like, if you've ever heard a story about there being a ghost or a werewolf Definitely ghosts. I disagree. The line in that movie that I don't care for is the one where they're like,
Starting point is 00:56:08 if you've ever heard a story about there being a ghost or a werewolf or a vampire, it's a glitch, it's a program in the Matrix, or it could just be somebody telling a story. Yeah, that's right, exactly. Mostly it would be that, I think, actually. I'm just checking if these guys are ghosts. They're ghosts. I mean, they're not actual ghosts. No, I know that.
Starting point is 00:56:23 They're programs. They're exiles, rogue programs, the older versions of previous agents from previous iterations from the Matrix. So there you go. But they've got, like, sharp teeth, don't they? No. I think you'll find that they do. The guys that Neo fights in that castle, they have sharp teeth.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Okay. The twins have white man dreadlocks. Yes. So. Oh, I'm talking about the twins. Yeah. Yeah. So we're both talking about the same
Starting point is 00:56:45 thing yes this is fun isn't it all right they're ghosts i mean they've got also i like yeah i i i wonder if we're going to get in the in the sequels the any any hints to the previous because they're from again like you said a previous iteration of the matrix where it was just a nightmare world yeah and i kind of would be excited to see that world i think it's fun maybe they're werewolves. Mason, would you have- Maybe it's Maybelline. Werewolf Maybelline. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:10 Excluding the original animated movie, would you stop at one Transformers movie? Because I certainly would. Even though we've got Bumblebee, which I like. Can we stop earlier than that? I don't think that's how this works. We would have to cut out Bumblebee, but I'm willing to do it. Same, I'd make the sacrifice.
Starting point is 00:57:26 Even though we've gotten a lot of views on those YouTube videos. Yeah, but it's... Not worth it for our psyches, ultimately. No, definitely not. I feel bad. Every time I think about them, I get an actual headache when I watch those movies now. Yeah, they're no good.
Starting point is 00:57:37 Luckily, we never have to watch them again. So, yeah, that's easy for me to do. Yeah. And there's other Transformers media, but I'm talking specifically the live action. I mean, we wouldn't get Stanley Tucci going, oh, my God, you know that bit? I'm okay with that.
Starting point is 00:57:49 We've got enough Stanley Tucci in real life. And I don't mean that in a bad way. I'm saying that he's around and that's good. Yeah, that's right. I like him when he pops up in a Hunger Games movie and he's got a strange wig. That's right. The thing about some of these movies, though,
Starting point is 00:58:01 I think is that if we eliminate them, it removes... Look, and I don't want to go too far into this alternate history we're building. If you remove a lot of these movies that a lot of people did for a paycheck, it eliminates their ability to do dumb, good movies further along the line. That's what he's saying. Like Tooch did this so he could do, I don't know, something else.
Starting point is 00:58:23 Hunger Games. So he could put on a strange wig and interview people on a fake stage. That's right. He did that for scale. He did that for minimum wage. Yeah, I don't know. I think you're thinking too much into it. I don't think we need to go, well, their career would be negatively affected.
Starting point is 00:58:40 Sometimes I'm going to. Okay, fine. What would Shia LaBeouf be doing now? Probably the same shit. That makes more sense. Yeah, I think he did all the Transformers movies. I think he still would have got like- American Honey or whatever.
Starting point is 00:58:50 Totally. And he still would have done Indiana Jones and some of the other action stuff. Eagle Eye, whatever. Oh, that's a good one. I don't know if you have that on the list. How many Indiana Jones movies? All of them?
Starting point is 00:59:02 Yeah, all of them. Because there's three out of four are good. There's three out of four. It's a real mixed bag. And the young Indiana Jones. No, it's not. And some good video games. And some good video games.
Starting point is 00:59:11 Some point-and-click adventures. You know that's the truth. And Tomb Raider. And Tomb Raider. Yeah. And it allowed Harrison Ford to, again, do Air Force One. Is that true? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:59:20 He doesn't know. And to do that low-budget Star Wars movie. Yeah, he did it for scale, didn't he? He did it for scale, yeah. What about The Mask? Would you eliminate Son of Mask, a movie I haven't seen? No. I like the first The Mask, but when was the last time?
Starting point is 00:59:34 No, I'm saying you just keep The Mask. Oh, right, right. Then yes, absolutely. Okay, yeah. I haven't seen it, but that's how this works, remember? I forgot the rules of the thing we were doing. Sorry. Yeah, of course I would eliminate Son of the Mask.
Starting point is 00:59:44 Have you seen it? No. Okay, good. I don't even want to know that it exists, I guess. Yeah, fair enough. Oh, wait, we'd lose the mask cartoon, which I watched. But again, it's a spin-off thing. It doesn't count.
Starting point is 00:59:57 No, it does count. It's going. Fine. I don't care. Everything after the original disappears. That's how this works. What about, I've just written here, and this one has a question mark for a reason.
Starting point is 01:00:08 Underworld? Would you eliminate all the Underworld sequels in prequels? Can we just do Underworld slash Resident Evil? Just pile them all in together. Well, I thought about Resident Evil, but I think the third one is the best one. That's the Sahara Desert one? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Whatever it is, the world's a desert. So I'll keep all the Resident Evils. Okay, name a good thing that happens in that third movie. It gets swamped by crows. Okay. Yep, all right. It's an okay movie. And you would be willing, again,
Starting point is 01:00:36 you have to go into every one of these movies at the cinema. No, I don't. No, but you do in this instance. We have to watch every one of the ones we already watched. Fine, yeah, fine. You have to go in every time going, is this going to be good? Oh, I'm disappointed again. Imagine how much more free time you'd have
Starting point is 01:00:51 if there weren't any Resident Evil or Underworld movies. It wouldn't affect me. I don't think it's negatively affected me in any way. I don't know. Yeah, and I'm okay with them. I think they're not good, but as we've talked about, in each one of the movies there's something they put in the trailer or in the movie that you go, oh, yeah, that's the only thing you remember.
Starting point is 01:01:09 That's what gets you into the next one. Yes. Yeah, so you'd eliminate all the underworld movies? I would eliminate every underworld movie. Not every one. Every single underworld movie. I'm invoking my clause, which I'm allowed to do every time, which is eliminate all the movies.
Starting point is 01:01:24 What about this? Speed. And there's only two. Would you eliminate Speed 2? Oh. I mean, it's a great performance by... William Dafoe. Willem Dafoe.
Starting point is 01:01:35 Is it? He's the villain in Speed 2. Oh, I was talking about Speed 1. Oh, yeah. We're not eliminating Speed. I know. Speed stays. Oh, so I've forgotten again.
Starting point is 01:01:43 Yes, I've forgotten the rules of this. Would you eliminate everything post Speed one so just speed two yes just speed two cruise control here's the thing though yeah if we do that we eliminate the ability to make funny jokes about sequels where we go oh the king's speech to cruise control yeah but we could do electric boogaloo we do the one that everybody does. I'm going to keep it in even though I don't think I've seen it all the way through because then we don't get to say Cruise Control. You know what I mean? Okay.
Starting point is 01:02:11 Well, look, if you eliminate Speed, you'd also eliminate the 2009 season of Myth Buster episode where they tested the iconic bus jump and there's also it was parodied in the sitcom Father Ted, an episode called Speed 3. Also, I think there was a Yo Gorilla ad from the 90s. Oh, yeah, there definitely was. Yeah, it's probably on a speed. But that was linked to the first Speed.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Yeah, right, right, right. So that's not Speed 2 related. Yeah. So there you go. I'm amazed they haven't done a Speed 3. I mean, Speed 2 did not do well. But let me just check if there was any plans for that. Yeah, there's like fan trailers
Starting point is 01:02:46 and stuff, but it doesn't seem to be. I'm sure they've thought about it, but there you go. No Speed 3. Speed 3, traction control. Speed 3, cruise control. That's your favourite joke. Yeah, that's pretty good. What about this?
Starting point is 01:03:01 I've just written here. Speed 3, side airbags. Side airbags? Worth saying, I here. Speed 3. Side airbags. Side airbags? Worth saying, I think. I don't think that was. No, I think it was. I haven't seen any of these or maybe I've seen some of them, but where are you on Hellraiser?
Starting point is 01:03:17 I don't care about Hellraiser. Skip. Skip. Done. Okay, here's the thing. If we. Isn't the first one good? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:03:26 He doesn't know. I don't know. I was going to say Wipe Them All, but then I remember Cabin in the Woods would lose a small L. The more horror sequels you eliminate, the more you eliminate all the movie Cabin in the Woods. So we can't have that. There's a few horror ones that I've written here.
Starting point is 01:03:43 Saw is a good movie, but every other Saw is mixed to not good. Yeah, right. And then you've got like the Freddy movies, but then you've got, all of a sudden there's like a good sequel, like a few in. Is there? Yeah, there's the one where it's the real world and whatever. Oh, New Nightmare. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:59 Nah, Turf It. Turf It, okay. The Chucky movies, every now and then there's a good one. Turf Him. Turf Him. Jason, I think some, maybe, is there another good one in there? Turf it. Turf it? Okay. The Chucky movies, every now and then there's a good one. Turf them. Turf them. Jason, I think some, maybe, is there another good one in there? Turf them. Okay, Turf.
Starting point is 01:04:10 Oh, but you're right. This is the Cabin in the Woods thing. We're losing all the Cabin in the Woods stuff, aren't we? Yeah. I guess we've got to keep them all. I guess we do. Yeah. Are all the tropes of Cabin in the Woods mainly based on the first one of each of those?
Starting point is 01:04:26 Mostly. Yeah. But I'd have to go through them. I'd have to look at a video on YouTube that has a monster breakdown. Right. All right, here we go, here we go, here we go. This one, I'll be very fascinated by your response to this, but I think I know the answer.
Starting point is 01:04:43 Go on. How many of the Takens were you willing to sit through? I've seen one and two, I think. Yeah, they're bad. Yeah, let's eliminate all of them. No. Just the first one. One is like, but watching one, there's a lot of like,
Starting point is 01:04:56 Liam Neeson, everybody but Liam Neeson is an idiot. Everyone around Liam Neeson doesn't know what they're talking about. He's a deadbeat, but they're the deadbeats in a way, just in a different way. How dare you go on a holiday Liam Neeson's't know what they're talking about. Everyone thinks he's a deadbeat, but they're the deadbeats in a way, just in a different way. How dare you go on a holiday at Liam Neeson's door? You're an idiot. You're going to get kidnapped. And if we eliminate all the Takens,
Starting point is 01:05:14 do we also, does that mean his career is impacted by the fact that he isn't doing a lot of old man in Europe and his daughter's missing and then he has to go fight wounds or whatever? I think he still would. I think the goodwill and the action and the action lamination that we see is from Taken, the first Taken. Yeah, I think that, yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 01:05:32 People have probably seen the movie Unknown and thought it was a Taken movie. Yeah, absolutely. Maybe it is. But then also you've got to remove, like, your old guy, Sean Penn, did one, Kevin Costner's doing one. Denzel Washington was the equalizer. But I don't know if that's taken related because that feels like. It's definitely a genre, isn't it?
Starting point is 01:05:51 Yeah, yeah, it definitely is. Dad's on a rampage. Dads have had enough of the way society is looking down on them. That's right. So. They have had a gutful. They've had a gutful. An absolute gutful.
Starting point is 01:06:02 But I think those movies. They want everybody to settle down. Get off their phones. That's right. And use a ham radio or whatever. Taken 4, people are on their phones too much. And Liam Neeson is jack of it. Would you eliminate all the other,
Starting point is 01:06:21 does that eliminate all the others? Or do you think off the back of the first Taken? I think off the back of the first one, he would still get them? I think off the back of the first one he would still get all the other ones. Okay, fair enough. I think he's made all the Grey and all those ones. He's made all those. The Grey's not really a Taken movie though. Yeah, no, that's true.
Starting point is 01:06:33 I mean it's probably a result of him getting cast, but it's not a Taken-esque movie. That's more like what does death mean? That's like that. I don't think he's gotten all the other Angry Man in Europe movies based on the Taken sequels. He's got them off the first one because people have fun when he's on the first one.
Starting point is 01:06:49 That's what I'm saying. Those sequels are not good. How many Jaws are you keeping? Just the first one. Yeah, me too. Jaws 2 is actually okay. Yeah, first Control. The first Jaws, you can't say that anymore.
Starting point is 01:07:00 Because you eliminated it. No, I didn't eliminate it. You did. I did not eliminate it. So I can't say it. You can't say it. So the first didn't eliminate it. You did. I did not eliminate it. So I can't say it. You can't say it. So the first Jaws I ever saw was four. So I have a soft spot in my heart for that Michael Caine Jaws movie.
Starting point is 01:07:14 Oh, right, yeah. But it's, yeah, I'd get rid of all of those. And it's very surprising that we haven't got another Jaws movie, like more recently. Yeah, isn't it though? We're getting like The Meg and there's Deep Blue Sea sequels, but there's no. It's wild. I wonder if like The Meg and there's Deep Blue Sea sequels, but there's no. It's wild.
Starting point is 01:07:26 I wonder if somebody owns it and it's stuck in a complicated legal battle. And maybe it was made by a studio that is now defunct and two rival studios are fighting over the IP or something like that. I think the IP, I know it's like the family still own it. Like I think they'll, I know, I think she might be still alive, the wife of the guy who wrote the first book or something. Oh, that reminds me. We talked about Enola Holmes briefly like a few weeks ago.
Starting point is 01:07:53 Yeah. Apparently, and it's being sued by the estate of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle for a variety of reasons based on character traits and et cetera and copyright law. I learned recently that apparently they sue everybody. Oh. Two notes. They sue everybody who's making a Sherlock Holmes anything.
Starting point is 01:08:10 That seems expensive. And they usually come to a settlement of some sort. So that's how they make their money. Yeah. And two, apparently Sir Arthur Conan Doyle had no kids. So it's just like great grandnephews and like it's just people who have a vague link to it. Who've never done anything. Yeah, right, exactly.
Starting point is 01:08:26 And every once in a while they're like, we would like some money, please. Oh, that's just terrific. Allegedly. Allegedly, obviously. I don't want to sue us. Yeah, but we'll settle, obviously. Yeah, we'll settle. We'll settle out of court.
Starting point is 01:08:37 Got some John Travolta sequels here that you might be interested in. Go on. So Grease and Saturday Night Fever. Is he in Grease 2? I don't think he is. No, but you're still eliminating everything post first Grease. Would you do it? My favourite tweet this week was, I can't give him credit,
Starting point is 01:08:56 but it said... You can't or you won't? I absolutely refuse. No, I'll find him. And it just said, review of the Dune trailer, and then it's just a photo of John Travolta from Greece and he's saying, Sandy. Very good.
Starting point is 01:09:12 Good joke, I think. Yeah. Let's find it. It's Ryan Perry on Twitter. Did you screenshot that? How did you find it so quickly? It's on my Twitters. Oh, very good.
Starting point is 01:09:22 It's on the Twitters. I haven't seen this sequel, but Sin City probably? Eliminate the second one? No, see, I want it. As you know, it's my backup entertainment. That's true. It's on an old iPad, and if all other entertainment is destroyed somehow in some sort of impending apocalypse, then at least I'll be able to watch
Starting point is 01:09:42 Sin City 2. So go that. Joseph Glenn-Levitt's in this one, yeah, you could say. Yeah, he stays. How many kick-ass movies able to watch Sin City 2. So go that. Joseph Glenn Levitt's in this one. Yeah, you could say. He stays. How many kick-ass movies are you eliminating? Yeah, just the second one. Yeah, I'm keeping one and eliminating one, yes.
Starting point is 01:09:51 Fair enough. I can't really argue with that. Now, this is going to be controversial. People are going to be like, James, you've said something controversial here. Actually, is there any elements that are good in Kick-Ass 2? There's some good fight stuff, I guess, and there's the threat of a Kick-Ass 3. Remember at the end? They're like, Kick-Ass 3? Not really.
Starting point is 01:10:09 I guess, yeah. No. Take it or leave it. Jim Carrey's in it. Oh, he is too. That's right. Donald Faison is in it. Yeah. But man, all the good Nicolas Cage stuff is in the first one. Yeah. Is he even in the second one? I don't think he is. Not even as a flashback or whatever? Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter to me or you.
Starting point is 01:10:27 So the Pirates movies, right? Yes. There's a million of them. The first one is an undisputed classic. I think so. People don't mind two and three though. Okay. I would still eliminate all of them. I would eliminate all of them past the first one. Because I've seen so many hours of those movies.
Starting point is 01:10:42 The last one drained some years off my life, I think, in watching it at the cinema. It was a big tired sigh, as I mentioned earlier. Yes. I didn't like it. And I think based off that alone, I'd eliminate them all. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:56 There was also, and we've talked about this, but there were big pauses for laughs in that movie as well. Yeah, that's right. In the editing. Yeah. And it was not a funny movie. There's a great, I'm not sure if it's still up on YouTube. I think it might have been removed for some reason,
Starting point is 01:11:09 but Lindsay Ellis has a great video on that called Dead Genres Tell No Tales. Oh, I think I may have seen that. About the Pirates franchise. Yeah, it's not on YouTube anymore for some reason. I think she had to remove it for some complicated reason, but you can still track it down if you need to. On DVD?
Starting point is 01:11:25 Yeah, on DVD. Terrific. I've got a few other ones here that you might be like, yeah, but they can still track it down. Okay, cool, cool. If you need to. On DVD? Yeah, on DVD. Terrific. I've got a few other ones here that you might be like, yeah, but they're not all terrible. The Oceans movies? Oh. How good would that be if that was like a standalone heist movie? Yeah, yeah, and again, we remove sequel expectations from fans.
Starting point is 01:11:40 Yep, because I think I didn't mind the last one. It was fine. Three I think is quite good. Two is a weird meta commentary on the Hollywood industrial complex or something. Yeah, dump them, dump them, dump them. That's what I reckon I'd be. Because I like the idea that there was one terrible one from the 60s
Starting point is 01:11:57 and then just an amazing remake that blew it out of the water on every conceivable level. And then that's it. And then that's it, yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean you'd ruin the friendship of those actors who loved working together, Mason. I guess that's true. And then that's it, yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you'd ruin the friendship of those actors who loved working together, Mason. I guess so.
Starting point is 01:12:07 That's true. But you'd sacrifice that, would you? Yeah, I would. They could do a different movie in a different genre. They totally could, couldn't they? It could just be called Friends Hanging Out. Friends Hanging Out. You know, Cheadle could be there.
Starting point is 01:12:19 He could be there. You know? You know, it's like the sting in relation to Butch Cassidy. You know what I mean? You've got the same leads. That would be perfect. Different scenarios. See, that's the thing.
Starting point is 01:12:29 James, we're changing the course of film history every time we do this. And they can make a Western. Just so you know this, we're not really. No, we are. No. What about this? They have to make a Robin and the Seven Hoods remake. Oh, the worst movie.
Starting point is 01:12:43 But what did they do with the last one? I'd be good. Right? Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Okay.. Oh, the worst movie. But what did they do with the last one? It'd be good. Right? Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Okay. All right, fine. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:12:49 And also they get away with it at the end of the first one. And I kind of like the idea that what are their lives now after this? Yeah. Get away with it. They got away with it. Yeah, that's a good point. What about this one? The Bourne movies.
Starting point is 01:13:02 Are you eliminating Bourne ultimatum, the Bourne upendum, the Bourne parallelum, the one with Jeremy Renner, the last one, whatever that was. I would eliminate all the Bournes except the first one. Yep. Yeah, yeah. I think that's a bloody cracking European action flick. That's right.
Starting point is 01:13:21 It absolutely is. With a really good car chase and fight sequences. And it's absolutely diminishing returns at the end. The other ones are fine. But again, I would add in, if we're going to be chopping and changing, I would add in the element where at the end of the movie he falls into the water and then he wakes up on the ship from the start of the movie again.
Starting point is 01:13:37 And then there's a title card that says time travel and then the Moby song plays and then it's. Yeah, absolutely. So it would be its own sequels. Yep. That's brilliant, Mason. Thank you. I've tied it all together.
Starting point is 01:13:47 You got thoughts on Basic Instinct 2? Nope. Why would I? I have thoughts on this. Wall Street 2, Money Never Sleeps. I've seen it. I know Shia LaBeouf is in it. It's an awful movie.
Starting point is 01:13:59 I remember it being awful. And you know that Gordon Gekko takes a turn for the worse. He just becomes evil again, right? He just slicks his hair back and he gets his tail in suits. That's right. He's like, I've changed my ways. I'm no longer a great as good Wall Street guy. Surprise, I still am. But even worse somehow. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:15 But then it ends with a barbecue on the roof and everybody's friends or whatever. Garbage. Garbage movie. Shouldn't have made it. And there's a Charlie Sheenen cameo because you know he was obviously yeah the lead of the first one uh american psycho 2 i mean there's only one what do you all american girl or whatever it was called well here's the thing the sequel's only connection to the original uh is the death of patrick bateman right who's played by a different actor wearing a
Starting point is 01:14:42 face mask that's briefly shown in Flashback. Mila Kunis, who stars in it, said it was something else when they made it and it was edited into a sequel. Oh, my goodness, an American Psycho sequel. But it's mostly unrelated. That's wild. It's just a woman killing people. That's great. So there you go.
Starting point is 01:14:56 But, I mean, that would also eliminate the – if we eliminate everything after American Psycho, we also eliminate the series of emails you could get from Patrick Bateman if you signed up to an email service in the year 2000. I did not know that. It was a continuing story of Patrick Bateman in the modern day. That's tied to the first movie and I don't think that would be eliminated.
Starting point is 01:15:15 No, it would be gone. So I'm going to say keep the Mila Kunis movie because I like those emails. He described all his nice little outfits in it. Did he? It was fun, yeah. So it was modern day Patrick Bateman. Well, yeah, modern for 2000, yeah. Yes, I understand. I bet their archives tell me you can just find them, yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:30 There's actually, we're going to probably get through all of these because there's not that many left. Okay, let's do it. Let's churn them out in an entertaining way. Absolutely no. Let's list them in alphabetical order. Is Highlander on there? Well, I was going to ask you about Highlander
Starting point is 01:15:43 because I know you're a fan of Highlander 3 and also – No, no, no, no, no. James, James, James, James, James, James, James, you don't know me at all, James. Four in the TV series. Four. I'm a fan of the first one and then Highlander 4 Endgame and then I'm a fan of Highlander the series
Starting point is 01:16:00 but not Highlander the series The Raven, which I just haven't seen really. I've only seen a few episodes of that. Which is the one where they kept me entertained in the mid to late 90s or whenever that series came out. Okay, so you're keeping it all, are you? Yeah, I guess so. Yes, we are keeping Highlander 2 The Quickening.
Starting point is 01:16:16 We are keeping Highlander 3 The Sorcerer. We are keeping Highlander 6 5 The Source or whatever it's called. 6 5 The Source. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Cool. I was going to make a cruise control joke but I can't, Mason. You're not allowed to. That's called. Six Five The Source. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Cool. I was going to make a cruise control joke, but I can't, Mason. You're not allowed to.
Starting point is 01:16:28 That's right. What about this one? You're veering dangerously close to not being able to use Back in the Habit either. Yes. Would you insist around? No, because of Back in the Habit. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 01:16:38 Some of these are just like they made a second movie and it's not good. Okay. Independence Day. I'd get rid of both of those movies. Yeah, I'd get rid of both of them movies. Yeah, I'd get rid of both of them too. No, that's a pioneering movie of mine. How much do you think of our lives and the lives of society
Starting point is 01:16:53 have been altered by the idea of like that laser shooting down into the White House and blowing it up? That's a big deal, man. Big deal, right? Yeah, so I wouldn't eliminate it. I don't love that movie, but I could. Is the proviso we have to watch all the sequels? I think it might be.
Starting point is 01:17:07 Sure. I think it might be. It's whatever. Exactly, it's whatever. Conan has a sequel and also a reboot. So, but, yeah, okay. I haven't seen the sequel or the reboot, so I don't have an opinion. I have seen Conan the Destroyer, but I cannot tell you what's in it.
Starting point is 01:17:27 I can't distinguish between the two, so I can't really. Is there a Red Sonja movie? Yes. Is that related? Maybe. Yeah, that's cool. Okay. Maybe.
Starting point is 01:17:35 What about Planet of the Apes, but the original ones? So you just keep the original. Yep. I'm not talking about the reboots. No, you have to remove them. Okay, then no. They all have to go. They do not all go. Do you get rid of them all? No, because talking about the reboots. No, you have to remove them. Okay, then no. They all have to go. They do not all go.
Starting point is 01:17:46 Do you get rid of them all? No, because I like the new ones. Yeah, that's what I was going to say, Mason. So we have to suffer through Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Haven't seen it. And the one where everybody's worshipping the nuclear bomb, which I think is Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Might be the same one, yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:59 Might be the same one. What about this? The one where they're just apes in modern day times because they've time travelled somehow. Yeah, something like that. Okay, so to wrap this up, there's just like a lot. Also, we'll never get that sequel where the astronauts come back. Yeah. I want the one where the astronauts come back.
Starting point is 01:18:14 I think we're going to be getting the astronaut sequel at some point. So there's lots of comedies which got belated sequels and prequels. Here's to name a few that I would get rid of. Would you eliminate, side note, would you eliminate all the Hangover movies?
Starting point is 01:18:30 Yes. All of them, including one. All of them. All right, just checking. To never have to, yeah. Oh, I really hate those sequels. Right? They're so bad. So this is an all or nothing scenario.
Starting point is 01:18:40 This is all or nothing, yes. Yeah, I would eliminate them all. As long as it doesn't adversely affect the movie due date. Yeah, because I remember really enjoying The Hangover, but how well has it aged? I would never watch it again because I hate those sequels so much. It's probably a bit probo, some of the stuff in there. You know, it's the year it was made or whatever.
Starting point is 01:18:58 Ten years ago or whatever. So, yeah, I would eliminate all of them, yes, if it meant. Dumb and Dumber has a prequel movie and a sequel, which people hate, neither of which I've seen. Caddyshack has a horrible sequel apparently, which I haven't seen. I've seen Caddyshack 2. Sure.
Starting point is 01:19:14 Back in the habit. Back in the habit, yeah. And I don't mind Anchorman 2. Have you seen Anchorman 2? I've never seen Anchorman 2. It's okay. I wouldn't eliminate that. Okay, great.
Starting point is 01:19:22 But have you ever seen Zoolander 2? No. Bloody hell, mate. Okay. Is that an all or nothing? Would you eliminate both Zoolander movies so you didn't have to see Zoolander 2? Yeah, I would. And I really liked the first Zoolander, but yes.
Starting point is 01:19:34 Wow. That's a terrible sequel. That's a shame. It kind of shocked me how bad it was. Why is it that bad, though? It's interesting because I think Ben Stiller is a good director. And I think he's also recently a good director uh-huh and i think he's also recently made good movies that he's directed like i like the secret life of walter
Starting point is 01:19:50 middy oh yeah that was it was a fun yeah pretty fun movie yeah and even like cable guy was warming yeah but like cable guy was you know that was at the time was maligned but it's since gone on to be this kind of cult classic ahead of its time. Yeah, right. Reality Bites. Reality Bites, exactly. I watched that recently and it's like, and they're like, we don't want to pay our rent because we're GNX. Maybe you should pay your rent. I mean, if you can, obviously.
Starting point is 01:20:14 I don't want to put an ad on them, but it was more like, what are you doing, Ben Stiller, with your real job? Ethan Hawke, what do you even know? Let me check. Let me check his. Yeah, it's actually the last... Because he also did Tropic Thunder. Yeah, right. So, yeah, the last movie he directed was
Starting point is 01:20:30 Zoolander 2. Maybe he has lost it then. I don't think so. I think he could come back and do another. But what's bad about it is my question. It's not funny. It's like incredibly unfunny. Is it an unfunny script or is it that thing where the jokes are kind of the same but they're not sold as well?
Starting point is 01:20:46 Yeah, maybe. Like it's got your cameos and it's like, oh, Billy Zane's back and whatever. Sounds like a retread. It is. But it's also really bad. Did I mention how bad it is? Mention how bad it was.
Starting point is 01:20:58 Bad movie. It probably would have worked better if it was a Saturday Night Live skit where they bring him back. Or like an MTV Movie Award. Yeah, whatever. And they bring Zoolander back, yeah. So there you go. There you go. And that's all the movies which we would eliminate.
Starting point is 01:21:11 That's right. If everybody has... If one of your favourite was in there, too bad. We got rid of it. That's right. It's gone forever. We hope you don't mind. No complaints because you don't remember that it exists.
Starting point is 01:21:21 Yeah, that's right. Are there any others? With Men in Black 2. Oh, there's one. Yeah, definitely. Without a doubt, any others? With Men in Black 2. Oh, there's one. Yeah, definitely. Without a doubt, I would wipe every Men in Black movie. Including the first one. No, I like that movie.
Starting point is 01:21:32 But how many Ghostbusters would you wipe out? I'd fight to one. Oh. I don't mind two. Yeah. But then we wouldn't get the new new one either, would we? Which I also don't really care about, to be fair. I don't care about it either, I'll be honest with you.
Starting point is 01:21:44 It was fine, but. I meant the new, new, new one. Oh, Afterlife. Yeah. No, I want to see Afterlife. I'm not really that into it. I'm so sick of people screaming at each other about Ghostbusters. I'd forgotten that movie existed or will exist or whatever.
Starting point is 01:21:58 Well, it was supposed to come out this year. It was supposed to come out in July. Middle America, Ghostbusters or whatever it is. Now, I want to see that and I will sit through Ghostbusters 2 and answer the call to see that. Great. And then afterwards, maybe I'll eliminate them all. Maybe you will.
Starting point is 01:22:14 Terrific. Yes. All right, that's movies, isn't it? It is movies. Let's move on to the next segment of the show. Yes. What's it called, though? It's called What We Reading.
Starting point is 01:22:22 What We Gonna Read. That's correct. I'm doing the thing. Westworld. Mason, what are you reading today? Oh, good question. I'm trying to think, James. It's been a big week for this little fella.
Starting point is 01:22:40 No doubt. That's me. Yeah. Oh, you know what? Speaking of Stanley Tucci, a movie that I rewatched just recently. I think I watched it on SBS, SBS On Demand. Yeah. Have you ever seen Big Night?
Starting point is 01:22:54 Big Night. Big Night. It's from the mid-'90s. So Stanley Tucci, I think, wrote it, produced it. How big is this knight? So big. It's the biggest knight. He's got a house big as his sword.
Starting point is 01:23:03 There's no sword. He's a knight. Oh, it's a knight. Oh, big knight. Oh, I see where you're going, James. Thank you. I see where you're going. But knight is in the time.
Starting point is 01:23:11 Two Italian brothers, a chef and a businessman, must do whatever it takes to impress the famous Italian-American singer. It's really good. And save their something. I've never heard of this. It's got Stanley Tucci with hair. And it's also got, what's his name? Tony Shalhoub.
Starting point is 01:23:24 Tony Shalhoub. Yeah. Maybe drivers in it? Yeah. It's got Stanley Tucci with hair. And it's also got, what's his name? Tony Shalhoub. Tony Shalhoub. Yeah. Maybe Drivers in it? Yeah. It's got names, man. He and Tony Shalhoub play brothers, right? And they're like Italian immigrants in the 50s. They have this Italian restaurant.
Starting point is 01:23:34 Are they doing the accents? Yeah. Mamma mia. Anyway, and their restaurant's kind of failing, but their rival's restaurant is like flourishing. And they're like, ours is failing because we do the real stuff and people aren't used to the real Italian stuff. But he has this Americanized slop that's no good, right?
Starting point is 01:23:50 But then they're like, okay, we're going to go to him for a loan. And he's like, I can't give you a loan, but I'm friends with Louis Prima, the jazz singer, and when he comes to town, I'm going to tell him to go to your restaurant. And so they're going to prepare for the big night. It's good. It's a little bit far-skilled. But also Stanley Tucci's having an affair with the rival's wife.
Starting point is 01:24:07 Oh, my goodness. And so it's all going to come to a head. It's a good movie. Sounds like an episode of Fawlty Towers but with Italians. And it's also one of those movies that makes you hungry. Because, like, the centrepiece of the movie, they make a thing called a timpano. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:18 Which is like a baked pasta dish which is the size and shape of one of those giant wheels of cheese. Oh, my goodness. It's like you cut slices out of it and it size and shape of one of those giant wheels of cheese. Oh, my goodness. It's like you cut slices out of it. It's got like lasagna in it and like eggs and sausage. Oh, my God. Like, oh, I wish I could make one of those. But it takes like 10 hours, so I'm not going to.
Starting point is 01:24:35 And then you've got a giant wheel of spaghetti sauce. Well, exactly. Like you need like 10 people to eat it as well. Yeah, absolutely. You don't know anybody. That's exactly right. And I'm not doing carbs, am I? So I'm not helping you out. You'd be wasted on it. You'd just have to eat it as well. Yeah, absolutely. You don't know anybody. That's exactly right. And I'm not doing carbs, am I? So I'm not helping you out.
Starting point is 01:24:47 You'd be wasted on it. You'd just have to stare at it sadly. So, well, James, what have you been reading? Well, actually, Marvel Zombies is back with Marvel Zombies Resurrection. Philip K. Johnson and Leonard Kirk are on that book. It's a reboot of all the other Marvel Zombies, which may or may not be connected. Some are, some aren't.
Starting point is 01:25:01 You mean it's a reboot? Well, it's a new story. It's not like connected to everything else. You love your alternate reality zombie stuff, don't you? Well, I don't mind a zombie thing, Mason. I like to see what's going to happen to Thor if he's a zombie. That's true. Just hitting people.
Starting point is 01:25:12 Or is he not worthy? Probably isn't worthy. No, he's not worthy. He's got like a fake hammer because he can't be on the hammer anymore. But in this reboot, Spider-Man, he's leading a group of survivors in the wilderness and they're going to check out the X-Mansion. They've got a big sentinel that they've reprogrammed as kind of this nanny that's kind of looking after them.
Starting point is 01:25:29 And there's a really, I don't want to spoil it, but there's a- They've programmed it as the nanny. Yeah. Mr. Sheffield. Professor Xavier! You get it. I get it. Way more popular in Australia than in America.
Starting point is 01:25:41 Shouldn't be. A lot of people will get it. A lot of people will be like, what are you even talking about? Fran Drescher, everybody. Yeah, that's right. So it's got a cool conclusion of the first episode. Logan! You get it.
Starting point is 01:25:51 At the very end, there's an inclusion of a character that I'm like, oh, that's someone interesting to turn up in a zombie apocalypse. Fran Drescher. It's Fran Drescher. She's come to claim the robots. Yeah, so there you go. Check it out if you want to. But also if you like Sad Spider-Man.
Starting point is 01:26:08 You know. Yeah. That's where it's at. Sad Spider-Man cracking the spider-sads. It certainly is. Nice. There you go. What's next Mason? This. Also we read The Walking Dead. We did. We're doing it for Book Club. Have you actually read it?
Starting point is 01:26:22 Oh you finished it. Good. Cool. We should record that then at some point. We'll do it. Book Club. Book Club, so we'll talk about that. Have you actually read it now? Yeah, I read it. Oh, you finished it. Good, cool, cool. I finished it. We should record that then at some point. We'll do it, yes. Yeah, we'll do it. All right, nice. What else? Letters. Letters. Wait, no, wrong one.
Starting point is 01:26:30 Oh, God, James, no. What have you played? I've done the wrong one. I've played some sort of Halloween-based Weekly Planet Letters theme, but here's the regular one. That's coming up. The classic one was... Letters, oh, letters, we love you.
Starting point is 01:26:42 Some letters, they're only a day away I know they're here right now, we're going to do letters. Ben Stiller, he's producing a movie called Friendsgiving, which is coming out in 2020. Sounds bad. Maybe. No, you will admit it here, it sounds bad. It does sound bad.
Starting point is 01:27:00 Sounds bad, right? There's some people in it that I'm like, oh, yeah. All right, what have we got here, Mason? Well, here's an email. I love it. Chelsea Peretti's in it. Could be a bad movie she's in. Yep. She's good though. I like her in stuff. I agree. Good stand-up. This is from Marcellus Walls.
Starting point is 01:27:13 Trinny, listener number three. What up? Hey James and Mason, I've been listening to the podcast and view of the YouTube page for many, many years now. I never took the time to write in, but I had to for this occasion. I was driving when you heard that you had another listener from Trinidad the first time and at work when I heard about the second one last week. And here I am to tell you that you have a third Trini listener.
Starting point is 01:27:31 Wait, wait, but here's the thing. I'm a Trini American, first-generation American born in New York to Trini parents and currently living in Atlanta, Georgia. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, whatever. No, you can have it. We'll give you a pass. Another one.
Starting point is 01:27:49 There's some rant here. Sundar Singh. Hey, guys, I guess every Trini is going to come out of the woodwork now, but when I heard Darian S was from Trinidad, I asked my friend Darian B if it was him. By chance, and it wasn't. But here are two more Trinis that listen to the podcast. Okay, this is interesting.
Starting point is 01:28:03 Yes. How many have we got now? We've got five of them, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are we going to do this until we get the entire population? I think they should all meet up and take a photo. Keep sending them in. I don't know how big Trinidad and Tobago is, but they should all meet up even during COVID.
Starting point is 01:28:15 Just in a centralized spot? Yeah, or do a Zoom call. Do a Zoom call. How would you do that if you don't know people? I don't know. That's what I'm talking about. You could join the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates Facebook group. Yes.
Starting point is 01:28:25 Find one another, Zoom call, take a screenshot, send it to us. We'll go, huh. Yeah. You know? They did. That's interesting. They did it. You could also do it through the Weekly Planet Reddit page.
Starting point is 01:28:35 That's true. There are many ways you could do it. Yeah, that's true. And yes, the term is Trini, although technically we are the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago. So some people prefer if we refer to ourselves as Trin-Bagonians, but that's just PC gone mad. Sounds like it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:50 What's the population of Trinidad? Let me check. If you know, email in. I mean, I can check. This is from Nicholas Procope. 1.39 million. My name is Nicholas, and I've been a listener for a few years now, and I am too from Trinidad.
Starting point is 01:29:01 We're getting them all. Yeah. Six. I've gone through some rough times over the years and putting on a caravan of garbage, listening to an episode of the pod or looking at different breakdowns always cheers me up. Thanks for all the laughs.
Starting point is 01:29:12 Grabbing a gem from Nicholas. P.S. Can I be an official Trinidadian of the podcast? Maybe. Have you been kind? Did we already say that? Here's an email from SC Jones. This is from Sydney.
Starting point is 01:29:22 In episode 350, you read a letter from Trinidad. Mesa made the classic blunder of saying you only get one download from Trinidad, so it's probably Darian. I'll have you know I'm also from Trinidad and have been listening for several years, so Darian can suck it. I listen every day while walking my dog, but since I'm petty, could I be the official Trinidadian of the podcast? Which email came first?
Starting point is 01:29:42 Let's see. Sydney, six days ago. Nicholas today. There you go. Sydney's the official Trinidadian of the podcast. But does it determine whoever gets read out first? Good question. But I knew about them both.
Starting point is 01:29:58 But you must have read one of them. It's probably a fight, right? It's obviously a fight. I was going to say, if it's going to be anything, it's a fight. By the way, if you do want to email the show, weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com. That's the one, yeah. That's how you do it.
Starting point is 01:30:08 That's right. Or hashtag weeklyplanetpod on Twitter. Yeah. I have some non-Trinidad-based letters. Well, we can do some of those if you would like. Okay, cool, yeah. This is from Will. I'm all right now, it says.
Starting point is 01:30:19 Dear the boys, I'm assuming us, not the Amazon Prime television show. Sure. Emailing you all the way from the UK. You've been a long-time listener but felt compelled to email after I crashed my bike yesterday headfirst into a car while listening to the podcast. Oh, boo. After coming two on the ground four metres away,
Starting point is 01:30:33 your voices were the first thing I heard after struggling out and unconvincing I'm all right to concerned onlookers. To make things more confusing, the ambulance guy who checked me over was from Melbourne and it made me feel like you'd sent someone to help. We didn't, just to clarify. No, I did. I thought he was on his own, but thank goodness you were there. Yeah, I mean, right?
Starting point is 01:30:50 He could have died, this guy. My phone was unscathed, so I'm finishing off the remaining one hour, 20 minutes of the podcast as I write this. These crashes seem to be a recurring theme of the podcast, but it's probably just a coincidence. Probably. Don't listen to your phone on your bike. Can you do that?
Starting point is 01:31:05 You're allowed to do that, I think. I don't think you should. Oh, I see. You'll have an accident. Oh, well, this guy did, but maybe not. We don't get emails about people who don't have accidents. Sometimes we do. About people who ride bikes with headphones in.
Starting point is 01:31:17 But never apropos of nothing. Nobody's ever emailing in without being prompted and being like, I was just sitting on my couch listening to the podcast and nothing happened. Ready for this, Mason? Yes. Polar Bear says, can we start a campaign to have Denny Villeneuve write a pamphlet explaining the word of June that we receive as we walk into theatres?
Starting point is 01:31:36 Because that happened with the original, right? That happened with the original. Do you think that's – Was David Lynch there handing it out? Yes, every cinema in America. How did he do it? I already look so tired. I know. So it aged? Yes. Every cinema. Wow. In America. How did he do it? Nobody looks so tired. I know.
Starting point is 01:31:46 So it aged him horribly. Yes, I would love to say. I'm not going to start that campaign, but yeah. Sure. But also, what about online stuff these days? Because you can look on your phone. You can look on your telephone. Maybe there's an app and you open it and it's-
Starting point is 01:31:58 There should be a spin-off webisode of all the cast. Like there was for the boys this week. Did you see? It was a webisode. I didn't see that webisode. Yeah. I'm with all the cast. Like there was for the boys this week, did you see? It was a webisode. I didn't see that webisode. Yeah. I'm behind on the boys. I didn't watch the latest episode of the boys.
Starting point is 01:32:11 Don't worry, we'll do an episode on the boys. Yeah, we'll do an episode on the boys. The boys are at its conclusion. Yeah. Hey, question. This is from James D. Pearson. Have you guys read any of Jonathan Hickman's new X-Men run? No.
Starting point is 01:32:21 Me neither. House of X, Powers of X, no. But I hear it's great. I hear it's a redefining X-Men storyline in the same way that New X-Men was back in the day. Oh my goodness. Well, I haven't read it yet. There's a question about the MCU and whatever, how they should do it.
Starting point is 01:32:35 But no, I don't think they should use that book because I haven't read it yet. Okay, right. You'd be confused and upset. I would. But wouldn't that thrill you? Because it's new and fresh and you're like, I don't know where this is going, you know? I've got one more tweet here from ESPN. Okay, well I have one more letter after you do that. Okay, well do you want to go first or would you like me to read this tweet? Is the tweet a big
Starting point is 01:32:51 finish? Um, yeah, sure. Okay, well then I'll do my email. This is from Gregory Gritmon, which is a good name to say. Try it yourself. Gregory Gritmon! Good name, right? He's from the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates Facebook group. That's where I'm from.
Starting point is 01:33:07 But hey, James and Maceo, since April I've been working with the Great Mates Movie Club, one of the Great Mates subgroups, to reenact the entirety of The Princess Bride. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so they premiered this recently. I was at work so I couldn't watch it, but it would be super appreciated if you could pretty, pretty, please give us a shout-out on the pod. Absolutely. I'm very busy.
Starting point is 01:33:24 I don't know. I'll do it then. Over 20 great mates coordinated 60 people to bring this masterpiece to reality, and I just want as many mates as possible to see it. There you go, from Greg. Terrific work, Greg. It's pretty wild, right? That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:33:36 I mean, there's two versions of The Princess Bride Out Now. Yes. The remake, which is one which has a lot of major celebrities. That's on Quibi and you've got to pay for it. But you can see this for free on YouTube. I looked it up earlier. You just look up, if you look up Princess Bride and then Great Mates, GR8, M8.
Starting point is 01:33:56 Is it the length of the movie? It's like an hour and a half. It would have to be, wouldn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's how that works. Very good. That's a wild ride.
Starting point is 01:34:03 That is wild. It's a wild ride. Anyway, congratulations to everybody's how that works. Very good. That's terrific stuff. It's wild, right? That is wild. It's a wild ride. Anyway, congratulations to everybody involved. Thank you. This is from ESPR995. This is an absolute son of a bitch. Hey, the Weekly Planet. Big shout out from the UK.
Starting point is 01:34:12 I was wondering, what is the most engrossing movie scene that makes you want to look away simultaneously? Just rewatch John Wick 3. That knife fight always gets me. Oh, interesting, right? I remember, this isn't a movie scene, but do you remember when the Viper fought the mountain in Game of Thrones? Yeah, right.
Starting point is 01:34:27 I was like, oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he got him. So that was for me, it was like one of those like, oh. What about you? Does it have to be gross, I wonder? I don't think so. Okay.
Starting point is 01:34:38 It could be like the tension is so high when they flew inside that ship in Independence Day 2. That's true. You know how high the tension was. I think maybe more for me just like any kind. I think. What about eye stuff? Yeah, eye stuff is bad.
Starting point is 01:34:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything like, speaking of like a Borat kind of situation, any kind of like jackass. Oh, right, yeah, yeah. It's a funny thing but real people are involved. Yeah. And I don't want to see real, unless, even if they're bad people, I don't necessarily want to see like, I don't want to see this conflict
Starting point is 01:35:11 evolve or like these people realise they're being tricked and like kind of, you know. Yeah, absolutely. So you don't like the cringe comedy, Mason? I don't like the cringe comedy, yeah. Sure. What about if it's a comedian telling you how it is? Oh, I love that.
Starting point is 01:35:24 Yeah, I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because they're the real bastions of truth. That's true, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Sure. What about if it's a comedian telling you how it is? Oh, I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Because they're the real bastions of truth. That's true. Yeah, yeah. I love it when people try to silence a comedian, but it's okay because they've got their special on Amazon video somehow,
Starting point is 01:35:38 you know? Yeah, I get it. They're just being silenced every week on their YouTube channel with a million subscribers. It's crazy. They're being silenced. It's crazy. It's cancel culture and all those things.
Starting point is 01:35:45 It absolutely is, yeah. That's the show then, I think. It absolutely is the show. Thank you, everybody, so much for listening. I hope everybody, again, is doing all right. Yeah, man. We always love to hear about when you're doing all right. We do.
Starting point is 01:35:55 Or not. That's fine too. That's true, yeah. I mean, get through this however you can. By that, I mean the podcast. Get through our podcast however you can. On a bike, off a bike, crash a bike. Yep, that's right.
Starting point is 01:36:06 As long as it's bike related. We don't mind. Thanks everybody for listening, for telling a friend. Yes. For getting on a Zoom call with everybody from the country where you live. Yep, yep. And getting a screenshot and sending it to us. Thank you for leaving a nice review.
Starting point is 01:36:21 James, you got a nice review? I got a couple of nice reviews here, Mason. I've just brought them up. No, they've gone again. No, they're back. Okay, so two guys with wise, wise insights. It's from Alexander. Good, fun, and informative.
Starting point is 01:36:32 The only podcast I've seen to give David Prowse the credit he deserves. Thank you. Thank you. That's our Prowse-dis moment. Thank you. This is an app. You can do it in an app. Did you know?
Starting point is 01:36:45 I did know that. Some Tommy Figgs said, amending my previous review, in my last review I said that the guys are very positive and say good things about bad movies. And after listening to every episode, I must admit that these guys can certainly poop on some bad movies, but those movies are poop like The Predator 2018 and Transformers 2 through to 5.
Starting point is 01:37:00 So it's all good, five stars. Really helps the show. We'd really appreciate it. Yeah. Oh, side note, Predator franchise. Everything after the first one? No, because Predators. Oh, my stars. Really helps the show. We'd really appreciate it. Yeah. Oh, side note, Predator franchise. Everything after the first one? No, because Predators. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:37:08 I forgot. Yeah. But you've got to suffer through all the other ones. Yeah, fine. Predator 2 is okay. Yeah, that's true. Alien versus Predator, both of those. Yeah, whatever.
Starting point is 01:37:16 Yeah, no, Predators is really good. Predators is good. It's worth it. Okay. And spin-off materials. And Batman versus Predator. Yeah, that's right. As long as that from that is from Predator 2, so you know what you do.
Starting point is 01:37:25 Yeah, you're right. What else, Mason? Look, if anybody wants to get in contact with us, they can go to weeklyplanetpod at Gmail, at Facebook, at Twitter, at Bandcamp. They can go to planetbroadcasting.com. They can see all the podcasts on the Planet Broadcasting Network. They can also sign up to the newsletter from the great Rob Collings.
Starting point is 01:37:42 Yeah, that's the show. He does. He's at Rob Collings on Twitter, and he's also at The Weekly Planet on Twitter. I'm Wikipedia Brand on Twitter, and on Instagram I'm Nick Maso, N-I-C-K-M-A-S-E-A-U. James, your Mr. Sunday movie's everywhere.
Starting point is 01:37:53 Yep, yep, yep. You can also go to the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates Facebook group or any of the subgroups. You can find all kinds of groups, whatever you're into. But if you're into our podcast, maybe join that group. Absolutely. Just have fun, fine discussions. Everybody's real nice over there. Be kind. And if they're not, they're out. Yeah, they're out. Get out. Get into our podcast, maybe join that group. Absolutely. Just have fun, fine discussions. Everybody's real nice over there.
Starting point is 01:38:06 Be kind. And if they're not, they're out. Yeah, they're out. Get out. You get one chance. Not even. You're out. That's right.
Starting point is 01:38:11 Zero chances. Join, you got zero chances. Then you're out. It's cancel culture, yes. It's PC gone mad, yes. But guess what? You're out. Yeah, it serves its...
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Starting point is 01:38:40 We've got some super exclusive stuff you don't even get if you're a Patreon subscriber. You go to BigSandwich.com. You get things there that you wouldn't even believe. I mean.co. .co, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's linked below and whatever. Yeah, there's things there you wouldn't believe, including our bonus podcast, which by the time these go out every Monday, there's a bonus thing there always.
Starting point is 01:38:54 That's right. And the Caravan of Garbage is always, no, they are. I was going to say mostly always, but they are. They're always there. I'm having a grand time. I'm enjoying the bonus stuff. Good. I'm glad you're enjoying it because I'm also enjoying it, Mason.
Starting point is 01:39:03 That's very nice. Yeah, very good. We've got some T-shirts on tpublic.com. Yep. I saw a nice couple wearing Christopher Small's Robat Battenbat T-shirt recently. By the way, there's some boot – Matching Ts.
Starting point is 01:39:14 I don't know if that's an hour one. Yeah, no, it isn't. But there are some bootlegs of those floating around, so make sure you go through the proper ones. I'll be really well. Yeah, so don't be doing that. I really hope it's a good movie because what if it's not? Because I've seen a lot of those T-shirts out there.
Starting point is 01:39:27 Well, the T-shirt mostly doesn't make sense. It absolutely does not make any sense. That's true. I think it's fine, yeah. Next week, we were thinking of mashing this in this week, but it ran a little long, where movies that there's only one but maybe another perhaps. We'd like there to be a sequel, yeah.
Starting point is 01:39:43 We might do that next week but then something else might be happening. That's right. Maybe Tenet will come out on streaming and we can watch it. We might be driving to see it somewhere. We don't know yet. We're also like is this worth it? I think it is. From what I've heard, I don't know if it's worth it but we'll give it a whirl.
Starting point is 01:40:00 Thank you to The Brute and The Basilisk and Rackham for all their musical themes and that's the whole show I reckon. It is. What do you reckon about that? I think it's good, Mason. I think you did a good job. Me? Yeah. Probably record another video and then I'll have dinner.
Starting point is 01:40:09 Nice. Get you my son to ride a bike. I'm doing a bit of that as well. Yeah. Is he a good student? In a way, Mason, he's teaching me how to teach him to ride a bike. You know what I mean? Nope.
Starting point is 01:40:20 Because I've never taught someone to ride a bike. So he's on the bike and then he gets off the bike and he stands behind you and then he's like, now what you're going to have to do is recommend that I put my feet on the pedals and hold tight onto the handbars. Yes, yes, yes. And then just, yeah, okay. And then he gets back and he sits down on the bike
Starting point is 01:40:38 and then you explain what he just explained to you. This kid's wise. He certainly is. He knows a frog when he sees one. Yep, that's right. All right, guys. We'll see you next week. I grabbed our gem,
Starting point is 01:40:48 you guys. We'll see you next week. Goodbye. Let me put in the end sting, Mason. Nice end sting. Yeah. Roxanne. What are you, a bee?
Starting point is 01:40:55 Put on a bed. No, I'm doing sting. Oh, sting. That's also good. That's good stuff. Is that good enough to end this podcast on? No, but it's never
Starting point is 01:41:02 stopped us before, so. Good point. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. I mean, if you want. It's up to you.
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