The Weekly Planet - 406 Best Movie Spies Of All Time

Episode Date: October 11, 2021

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday and with me as always is my co-, Nick Mason. And I say, hey. Hey, hey. Yeah? What's going on? What is going on?

Podcast. We're doing a podcast. Mate, there's so many podcasts going on right now. So thank you to everybody who decided to- To stop recording their own podcast so they could listen to our podcast. Or maybe people are doing both. Has that ever happened, do you think? Someone's ever gone, oh, I have to record a podcast.

Oh, no, I'll listen to this podcast first. Maybe. Do you reckon we've interrupted the Joe Rogan experience so he could listen to the Weekly Planet podcast? Almost certainly, yes. That's right. Well, I've seen you watch a television show with one earbud in and you're editing a podcast on your laptop. Yeah.

And I'm like, that can't be good. None of it's good. It's not really doing anything, am I? It's true. You're ruining your TV watching experience. You're releasing a sub-podcast for the listeners. You've ruined their day.

But it's quick, though. It's quick. It's way quicker. Well, to be fair, Colleagues edits these. That's true. So, you know, that's how that is. But this week, Mason, as always, there are time codes below. I think my point there was where I was going there is maybe there's people who listen to podcasts in one ear while they edit their own podcast.

Oh, that's probably true. Or even record their own podcast while listening to another podcast. Wow. Right? That's incredible. I wish I lived that life. Do you? I guess I – yes, I do.

Good, good. I wish. Variety avenues of – We're straightening the news. No, no, sorry. I didn't mean to say the variety bit. I'm doing the topics that we're going into the news. No, no, sorry. I didn't mean to say the variety bit. I'm doing the topics that we're going to go through. Okay, sure, sure, sure.

What you're saying is there's a variety of news. Exactly. There's a bunch of Disney Plus spin-off news stuff in the works. Okay. Have you ever heard of the Marvel Police, Mason? No, but I love it. We're going to find out about that today. Or I'm going to hate it?

I don't know. Okay. Do you like cops? We'll find out. All right. James Gunn has some news in relation to be mad about that today. Or I'm going to hate it? I don't know. Okay. Do you like cops? We'll find out. All right. James Gunn has some news in relation to the Guardians of the Galaxy. Wait, has Marvel bought their own police force? Is that what's happening?

That's right. Is it an OCP-style situation where they just go from door to door and check for counterfeit Marvel toys and then they shoot you? It's not dissimilar, I guess. Great. We'll get to it, I guess. Get ready for a new image property coming to cinemas. I can't wait.

Expendables 4 begins production. Trailers for both Resident Evil and House of the Dragon. Joker 2 news. We're going to talk a little bit about DC Fandome, which is coming up next week. We're not going to talk about James Bond this week because we haven't seen it yet. It's not out as of yet,

but we do have the biggest and hottest list of all time. It's true. The 25 top biggest and hottest list of all time. It's true. Of the 25 top secret agents in movies of all time that we're going to go through and just absolutely ridicule. To be clear, we did not come up with this list. No, because the way, I don't know if people know this, but a way that you get around criticism on YouTube or podcasts is you borrow somebody else's list and then they take the heat. And people go, what were BuzzFeed even thinking with this?

You're like, I know, what were they even thinking? When really we could make our own list. Oh, but come on. We get stuff on. I'm listening to a podcast and recording a podcast. The JRE Mason. All right, here we go. Via Variety, Disney Plus are apparently working on a WandaVision spinoff

that is focusing on Agatha Harkness. Uh-oh. Yeah. She's gonna be up to mischief. That's right. Or good. Or good. We did. Almost certainly good. Probably good. Probably a bit of mischief and then she'll come good in the end, won't she? I did also get a tweet this week.

It's the tweet of the week. Tweet of the week. Ba-ba-bow! Ba-ba-bow! What is that? Who is that? Ba-ba-bow! It's the 20 of the week. Here we go. 20 of the week. Ba-ba-bow. Ba-ba-bow. What is that? Who is that? Ba-ba-bow. It's the alert.

Have you hired a man who's in ill health, which is nice and noble of you? You're like, hey, man, you want to come work for us? You've got to do an alert. He's like, I don't know if my voice is up to it. Come on, buddy. You can do it. We believe in you. Ba-ba-bow.

Yeah, that's great, actually. Roe Sinanti. I'm not sure if I said that wrong. Now that Agatha's spinoff is in the works, do you think it'll be a prequel or a sequel to WandaVision? Oh. I think it'll be both. Oh, you think so? Yeah.

Yeah, it'll be back in the olden days. So the 90s. Yeah. And then present day. Yes. But also probably medieval times or whatever. The witch's time. Whenever that was. Yes. So there, there you or whatever. The witch's time, whenever that was.

Yes. So there, there you go. Although how much witching did she do? We got the flashbacks. That's true, we did. But it has been a number of months and time has no meaning anymore so I can barely remember anything. So she was going to be burned at the stake for being a witch

or she was going to be by other witches. The other witches were going to zap her at the stake with lasers, and then she escaped because she was a super powerful witch. Then she went on to do other witching stuff. She wasn't like in a rocket dimension or a coma or anything like that. Yeah, she was doing all sorts of things. Okay, so there's probably a couple of hundred years of witchy stuff to cover. Okay, great.

We can get all around that. And off the back of that, this is from Daniel Richtman on Twitter. If you have scoops. You are having a time with regards to pronunciation. It's Rich and then T and then man. Is that Richtman? I would have said Richtman. Then there should be no H.

There should be no H. H, H. What have I said? I'm having a time, Mason. You're absolutely having a time. I'm saying if it's our way. What you're doing is you're looking out there. There's a lovely day outside. And then you're looking back at your screen. You're having a time, Mason. You're absolutely having a time. I'm saying if it's our way. What you're doing is you're looking out there. There's a lovely day outside.

And then you're looking back at your screen. You're looking outside. I'm watching the reflection of my television on the window. That's what I'm doing. What's playing? I don't know. It doesn't matter. It doesn't need content.

Anyway, he also mentioned there are spinoff plans for Xiaoling. I don't know how to say that because I haven't seen Zhongqi yet. One of the characters from that in addition to Monica Rambeau is also getting a spin-off potentially. So many spin-offs. They're developing it. That's not the only spin-off news, Mason. Because Variety are also reporting

well, they spoke to head writer of What If AC Bradley and director Brian Andrews about their plans for a Chadwick Boseman. He's back on the board. He's got two on the board. He's pronounced two names correctly. I mean, Brian Andrews, come on.

Like I know seven people called Brian Andrews in my real life. That's true. That's not a problem. Very true. They said, I don't know if you knew about this, but they were planning to have a Star-Lord T'Challa spin-off into his own show and that universe and the crew and the whole thing. We were very excited.

We know that he would have loved it too. And then, you know, he passed. And so all that's in limbo. So who knows, maybe one day. So, yeah, that was. Okay, yeah. So which makes me think also, well, first of all, that sucks. That would have been cool to see.

And then imagine if you get like a live action Black Panther Star Lord. Or teaming up for their alternate universe to T'Challa Star Lord. That would be cool. That's why I'm kind of in two minds about recasting as well, just to have that character just disappear entirely. But I also get it because how do you recast at this point at least? Anyway, but that also makes me think they're probably focusing on there's going to be other spin-offs.

Like they'll pick one of the universes and go, yeah, we'll run this one through. Yes, exactly, yeah. If you had to pick one, it would be like somebody, look at the various characters in each of the alternate universes and which of the actors playing those characters haven't already done nine movies. Exactly. Because then they're out probably.

That's right. People have only done a mere two, three or four. They'll probably do a spin-off, an alternate reality spin-off thing. Definitely. This is also from Daniel Richtman, Mason. Yes. He would want you to really just emphasize the T in the middle there. I think he would.

Maybe I'll message him. Actually, we do follow each other on Twitter. Echo is, you know, there's an Echo spin-off show in the works as well. Yes, from Hawkeye. We're in spin-off city, Mason. Michael J. Fox is there. That's right. Barry Bostwick is there.

Richard Kind, was he in that? Sure. He was in an episode of Star Trek Lower Decks the other day. Who did he play in that? He played, there's an episode where there is like an alien diplomat, but whenever he gets embarrassed, he splits into it. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah, that was a great episode.

That's a good show. I agree. It's really good show. I agree. It's really good. I actually just watched the newest one last night and it continues to be good. It was the Lower Decks of like, they did a Lower Decks of a Klingon ship and a Vulcan ship, and at the end they did a Borg ship where they just stand.

They're not, they're just like plugged into whatever. Anyway, he says that Echo is very much like its own show, but it's also like Daredevil Season 4 because we're going to see those characters coming back and play big parts in it. The characters will be somewhat soft rebooted into the MCU, but we'll still have a history with one another. So they'll look somewhat different and with different backgrounds but still played by the same actors.

This is a big scoop. That is a big scoop. So we're talking Charlie Cox. We're talking Deborah Ann Wall. Yes. We're talking about one of the Bash brothers. Yes. Wow.

And that's the tea, he says, Daniel Richtman. That's right. Because that's his catchphrase because of the tea in the middle. Yes. But does that mean Jessica Jones? Does that mean Luke Cage? Does that mean Iron Fist? I don't know.

Maybe not because not everybody likes all of those characters. When did he hear this? I don't know. I don't know his sources. You can't reveal your sources, Mason, and I'll tell you why. I think he should reveal one. Because of the Marvel police. I think he should reveal one source a week.

You're right. Just as a goof. Just as a goof and a gaffe and a laugh. Are we going to talk about the Marvel police? Let's do it now. This is on the Fat Man Beyond podcast, which you will know as Kevin Smith's podcast. I do.

About pop culture and such. I'm listening to it right now. Oh, how is it? Great. Good, good, good. I don't know if you're up to this bit yet. He's very enthused about all kinds of stuff. I like his He-Man.

Did you see there's a new He-Man show again? It's like a CG animated He-Man show. I don't think I saw that. Yeah. But it's Netflix again? It's Netflix again. Okay, great. Why not? He-Men. That's It's like a CG animated He-Man show. No, I don't think I saw that. Yeah. But it's Netflix again? It's Netflix again. Why not? He-Men. That's what I say. There is a Marvel... You've never said He-Men

before. I always say He-Men. I've got a He-Men tattoo. What's happening on the He-Men? They're kissing, Mason! Okay, great. Two different incarnations of He-Men. Wow. They're kissing. There is a Marvel secret police who, when things are being discovered, not only sweat down the departments.

What do you mean things are being discovered? Like, you know, things are leaked. Like a Daniel Richtman, for example. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when leaks happen, not only do the Marvel secret police sweat the departments to find out where the leaks sprang from, they also deal in subterfuge. Oh, so they might be like, we're releasing a big fart.

I mean, potentially, yeah. We're doing a big fart spinoff. Wow. Yeah. Oh, and then Richtman's like, big farts getting going to the big screen, everybody. That's right. Yeah, and then it turns out to be a lie and then Richtman. Unless the people call for it.

And then the people like get behind. Oh, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big fart. Are you saying that's part of their deal? Well, you stopped me. Unless the people call for it and then the people get behind Big Fart. Are you saying that's part of their deal? Well, you stopped me as I was about to say the thing. I'm building tension though.

I'm a listener. Like a Big Fart would build. Yes. Okay. We know this is in as much. That's his catchphrase. That wasn't me having a go at you. That was just me being like, hey, I'm doing it already.

You're like, come on, explain yourself. And I'm like, I am explaining myself. James, if you stopped constantly explaining yourself, we'd get to the tea, all right? You'd be spilling the tea right now. We know this. You'd be totally poggers. All right. Which young people have informed me means good or something.

Is that based on pogs or is that a different? I think it is based on pogs, yes. That cannot be true. I'm going to look it up. All right. Why are you doing that? No, total silence while I think it is based on pogs, yes. That cannot be true. I'm going to look it up. Why are you doing that? No, total silence while I look this up. No, continue, please. We know this in as much as you'll go to auditions and read lines that have

nothing to do with what you're auditioning for. They're well-practiced at the art of, look over here, they like to keep their secrets over there. It's basically like they'll distract people with, I guess, false leaks and scripts and whatever. So they leave leftover call sheets where they draw allusions to characters that they are well known that don't exist.

So they lay little traps in the call sheet to see if it'd get passed on, and then they try to find the leaks. Thusly, that's some Watergate-level shit, man. Yeah, right. That feels, yeah. Kevin Smith, you know? JRE. He's always, yeah, JRE.

Well, that's, I feel that's entrapment. Yeah, but it's not an uncommon tactic, though, is it? I guess that's probably true. I mean, like, I don't think normally it's like more in espionage than. This is like those, you know, those fake street maps that have fake streets on them? Oh, what? No.

So I don't think it's as common these days. Like a map of a city or something like that, what will happen is if you put in all the work to make a street map and then you're selling it to people or whatever, somebody might be like, I'll make my own street map and I can sell it and I'll be rich. So they just copy what you've done. So what you do is you put in a trap street.

So like if there's a street that's like, if it's a straight street, you would draw it having a lot of curves because that wouldn't affect people. So the street exists but not the. Sometimes. Sometimes there's fake streets. So then you can be like, I tricked you. I map trapped you. So this is a call sheet trap.

You've been map trapped. Motherfucker. You're under arrest. That's right. You've been map trapped. Motherfucker. You're under arrest. That's right. We're the map police. There was a, I remember Chloe said at her university, there was at the library because she went to the university of in the city. The university of in the city.

Yeah, and there was a room in the library. I went to the university of in the country. Really? That's why I've got country wisdom. I went to the university of life. What do you think of that? And also an actual university. I went to the University of Life. What do you think of that? And also an actual university. I went to the School of Hard Knocks.

Well, I went to a mid-tier university for business school. What do you think of that? Didn't we go to the same one? We did for a time, yes. And then something happened. But anyway, there was a- We fought once. We did.

So anyway, there was a map room in the library, and it was always free because... Who's looking at the maps? Cardiologists. Cardiologists? Cardiologists were always in there. They're like, this man's having a heart attack but I can't find the operating theatre.

So I'm in here in cartography. Cartography, thank you. But no one was ever allowed to use it and there was a dude who ran the room. It was like, you can only use this if you're using maps. Doing map stuff. So it was literally never used because that's not really a popular pastime. People should have built their own entirely fake map

and be like, I'm working on this map. Oh, yeah. But instead, arguing on forums. You just beat him up. You just beat him up. You get in there, and you roll up the map, and then you do the thing where you bend it in half and you crack him over the head with it.

Anyway, I'm not really surprised that they have a secret police force. I mean, I don't think it's police. I'm sure it's just like a small department of whatever. I bet it's closer to police. You think there's a uniform? I reckon they're more like FBI agents. Oh, like, yeah, okay. Like undercover or like suits?

Yeah, suits. I reckon suits. Flip down badges. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You flip it over and it's like got a steel embossed Stanley on it. Oh, wow. Yeah. You can punch people with it.

Yes. Brand them with Stanley's face. That's right. They've got two. It's like the Phantom. Yes. They've got Stanley rings. Yeah. They've got two. It's like the Phantom. Yes. They've got Stanley rings. And one, if they steal the call sheet,

you punch him with Stanley and he's frowning. But if they're a friend, you punch him with Stanley and it says Excelsior on his face. You're free to go. Yeah, you're free to go, yeah. And then you're a friend to the Marvel police. James, I mentioned on Twitter that he said- Oh, wait, one ring is Kathleen Kennedy.

Oh, yeah, she would, wouldn't she? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. In my incredibly subjective and admittedly often odd opinion, we'll be introducing one of the greatest MCU characters of all time. Oh, yeah. It's for the Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special. Do you think this is like a Sentry, a Nova or something like that?

Or do you think it's like someone dumb? I think. Or somewhere in the middle that he likes. Well, here's the thing. I don't think he would introduce a character that would be very significant plot-wise going forward. Okay. So I think that might be – I don't think they'd use like the Sentry

because they're like maybe we want to use him because he's like a big-time Superman-esque character. I reckon it might be because it's James's a – he's like a big time Superman-esque character. I reckon it might be – because it's James Gunn and he's like a trauma guy and a gross guy, I reckon it might be like Man-Thing or like – What about Werewolf by Night because that is rumoured to be coming. Yeah, that could work. But that's actually – I think Werewolf by Night might be coming before.

Maybe it could be a different kind of werewolf. Sure. I don't know. I don't think he'd be that impressed by werewolves to be honest no i reckon it's something gross like because he because he was like oh my god i love like starro and introducing starro and making yes exactly so yeah you're thinking it's more like yeah i mean the thing is though like marvel the way the way that marvel and dc differ i guess is that marvel you know really colors colors in their logos. That's right. Yeah. And sort of Marvel came to real prominence in the 60s, so they kind of missed the 1950s

real weird stuff. Okay, sure. So DC has like a way bigger back catalogue of weird stuff, I think. Yeah, you're probably right. I'm just looking if there's any Google image results for like what people think this might be. Okay. There's not really anything.

There's like Santa. Yeah, maybe it's Santa. Maybe it is Santa. Maybe it's Santa. Do you think it might be. Okay. There's not really anything. There's like Santa. Yeah, maybe it's Santa. Maybe it is Santa. Maybe it's Santa. Do you think it could be Santa? Tell me the phrasing again. What did he say? He said, I'm bringing Santa to the Marvel Universe.

Oh. It's Santa. It's real Santa. The secret is Santa. My incredibly subjective and admittedly often odd opinion will be introducing one of the greatest MCU characters of all time. Okay, so it can't have been used before. No.

Oh, yeah. But it has to be a little bit gross or silly. I think so, for James Gunn. Yeah. Google grossest Marvel characters. So I've got a list here. Okay. Who's the gold guy?

Oh, Adam Warlock. Adam Warlock. I wanted that as well, maybe. There's a picture here of literally Santa, Adam Warlock. I Warlock. I wanted that as well maybe. There's a picture here of like literally Santa, Adam Warlock. I can see Adam Warlock being brought in as like a – Clearly Marvel didn't bite on Adam Warlock at the end. Was it Guardians 2? Yeah.

Clearly they didn't go, oh, well, we need him for Endgame or whatever. So maybe that is a dead end. So maybe they do bring him back as like a Santa-esque character, like a joke character. I think if we see Adam Warlock, we'll probably see him in Guardians 3. Yeah. Maybe this, but I think he is planning on using Adam Warlock. Yeah, right, right, right.

I think. Also Nova and also Silver Surfer. Okay. What if Silver Surfer's like, I don't have Christmas on my destroyed home world, and they're like, well, maybe you can have Christmas with the Guardians or whatever. And he's like, okay.

He's like, oh. Oh. Oh, woe is me. Jesus. The planet Zen-la, he would say. Fucking guy. Right? And they're like, oh, Christmas sucks now.

Silver surface here. Norrin Rad, more like Norrin Not Rad at all. Got it. More like Not Poggers, they'd say. That's what they'd say. Okay, I looked it up. Okay. Poggers is a Twitch emote typically used to express enthusiasm,

enthrallment, or other sophisticated emotions of happiness and dopamine. Oh, sophisticated. That's from Urban Dictionary. And there's like a frog emoji. Oh, yeah. So maybe it doesn't have anything to do with pogs. Wow. What a world.

It's always good when you're learning new things at an age where you shouldn't have to. It's very true, right? I don't want to learn anything, Mason. Didn't we learn enough? Yeah, I think we've learned enough. Isn't there enough learning happening already? We went to the, as established, we went to the School of Hard Knocks.

We went to the University of Life. Yep. Claire went to that school, the University of the City. Yep. Yeah, exactly. I'm a country mouse or something. We've done enough. We've got enough wisdom to live out the rest of our days, all right?

We don't need nothing else. The man thing would be good. Sure. I'm going to go with Santa. What's he doing in space, though, I wonder? I'm going with Santa. Okay. Okay.

THR reporting that Jake Gyllenhaal. May I ask, just before we go to Jake Gyllenhaal? Sure. We're going to cut to Jake Gyllenhaal. Jake I ask just before we go to Jake Gyllenhaal? Sure. We're going to cut to Jake Gyllenhaal. Jake, can you hear us? I don't bathe or something. Was that him? I don't know.

I'm at the desk because we remade that Icelandic movie or whatever where I'm a dispatcher. Oh, yeah, do you watch that? I'm here. No, I haven't watched it yet. I would have watched it if I hadn't already watched the other one. There we go. But anyway, go on.

If it's Santa, is he alien Santa or is he robot Santa or is he magic Santa? Magic Santa. Okay. Magic Santa. Okay. What do you think? Why can't Santa exist in the Marvel Universe? That's a great question.

Yeah. Anyway, THR reporting that Jake Gyllenhaal is set to star in Studio 8's upcoming comic book adaptation, Profit. P-R-O-P-H-E-T? P-R-O-P-H-E-T. Okay. With Sam Hargrave, who directedve who directed extraction now you might be like who is prophet i can't remember who prophet i'm gonna tell you exactly you're gonna love oh

wait wait no oh no oh god i'll give you a clue i was thinking initially i was thinking the guy that killed spawn but that wasn't prophet that was he was also his priest or his bishop or something like that was wallace and gromit that. That was Wallace and Gromit. It was both Wallace and Gromit as a team. Stuck him in a porridge machine, I don't know. Whatever they do. Anyway, here you go. Jake Gyllenhaal will star as John Prophet.

Does that help? Yes. I reckon he's like, is he a special forces guy maybe? Does he work in an ops centre of some kind? Probably does at some point. I didn't know, so I would have just read. Does he have big shoulder pads? I'm going to look him up.

Yeah, he looks ridiculous. Based on Rob Liefeld's comic book published by Image Comics, John Proffitt volunteers for a German experiment near the end of World War II. Oh, German experiments. Yeah, in order to feed his family. After a bombing buries him alive and traps him underground for 20 years. Oh, my God.

He awakens in 1965 where things are not great for John Prophet. The world has moved on without John Prophet. His daughter, little John Prophet, resents him and KGB agents are after John Prophet to create super soldiers from the blood of John Proffitt. How many times have you re-added the name John Proffitt in there? I actually added, I took some out. Oh, yeah.

Sure, sure, sure. It was mostly John Proffitt. Wow. So do you like his purple costume? I love it. So this is, like the second Google image search, it is classic Rob Liefeld 90s of this character. He's got a cape, which is a little bit unusual,

but he's got two swords. He's got like one of those thigh belts. You can't see his feet. His feet is covered in rubble because, as we've mentioned, he can't. This is when he's coming out of the rubble. Yeah, I guess it must be. That put John Proffitt in rubble. Yeah, he's got big shoulders.

He's got like unnecessary, like just it must be. That put John Proffitt in rubble. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got big shoulders. He's got, like, unnecessary, like, just extra technical bits. There looks to be, and I've never read anything to do with Proffitt, but there looks to be, like, a newer Proffitt. Like, and he's just a guy in, like, what looks like a Russian space suit. Is that the same character? Well, it's image. Oh, yeah, I guess so. So.

His haircut is way toned down, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just looks like an astronaut of some sort. I reckon that's probably the version they're going with. Yeah. Unless Gyllenhaal's like, I am addicted to wearing stupid outfits with shoulder pads and capes now. Maybe he is.

After Mysterio. I've got to do it again. He might just be. I mean, look, I think also if you put aside the fact that this is a dumb character that probably everybody forgot about, there is a history of people taking Rob Liefeld ideas and then making them better, which is what Deadpool is essentially. That's true, yeah. basically Superman. And then he asked Alan Moore, famous comic writer of Watchmen and et cetera, to would you like to do a run on this? And he said, I'll do it, but I will throw out everything about this character besides the name and I will start again.

And that's a really good run. He was engineered to serve the evil Philip Omen, right? Programmed with murderous instincts. Philip Omen. So it's a bit Captain America, a bit Winter Soldier. Yeah, a little bit, yeah. This is pre-Winter Soldier, right? Yeah, it would have been.

He was created in 92. Well, there you go. Wow. I guess this is the goodest time to any to mention that this week on Big Sandwich we are doing the Book Club. That's right. And we talk about the comic Absolute Carnage, which is a newer Carnage Venom Spider-Man comic.

But in the lead up to that you do a really interesting run through, I felt, I was enthralled, about kind of the history of Image Comics and all like the extreme characters from the 90s that led to the creation of like the symbiote wars. And by that, I mean I named a bunch of them. You named so many things. Yeah, so that's linked below. People don't want to check it out.

It's nine bucks a month. There's a huge back catalogue of movie commentaries and whatever. There's also Daredevil commentary we did recently. Anyway, John Prophet. I think there's enough things going on here for this because it could be good. It does feel very Winter Soldier-y. He gets taken out of stasis in World War II.

Sorry, put in stasis after World War II and then he gets taken out of stasis in Vietnam. I wonder if he was the basis of the Winter Soldier, for real. Oh, maybe. Despite his enhanced DNA and ability to communicate in all languages, Prophet was described as very childlike by Platt. I don't know who Platt is.

He doesn't know the social workings of the world that most of us take for granted. He can't hail a cab and he eats ice cream too fast and gets a headache. Great. This feels like a woman in a rom-com who can't get anything right. I'm working in the big city, but I've just dropped my briefcase and everything's flowing out and I've got an ice cream headache.

You're not going to believe this, but I'm unlucky in love and I met this very rude, handsome man. This has just really put a crinkle in my already bad day, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I stepped in the mud. And I stepped in the mud. And I stepped in the mud. Man.

In other media. Ooh, in 1995, TriStar Pictures acquired the film rights to profit. A live action film was planned with Rob Liefeld as a producer, but the project did not proceed beyond pre-production. That would have been absolute dog shit. Oh, yeah, and he would have looked like the purple suit with the cape. I mean, that part I would have liked. Oh, yeah, definitely. It would be fun to look back on it now. Oh, yeah. And he would have looked like the purple suit with the cape. I mean, that part I would have liked. Oh, yeah, definitely.

It would be fun to look back on it now. Yeah, definitely. Would that have been – when did Spawn – Spawn came out in 98, right? Something like that. Let me check. Okay, wow. Oh, that would have fit right in. Imagine if we had like an unrelated image.

97, yeah. Unrelated image comics cinematic universe at this point. Just big capes and chains and thigh belts. I think now's as good a time as any. So you know Spawn is coming back with Jamie Foxx, right? Yes. And I think Todd McFarlane's directing it. Oh.

As far as I'm aware. Has he directed anything? Yeah, we do this every time. He directed a Korn video. Okay, of course. We've done this bit. This bit we're doing. And by bit, I mean we Google a thing and then go, oh yeah, we already did this.

Okay, great. Can we move on from Profit? Yes, we can. Great. Here we go. Oh, this is even more Profity, though. This is even more 90s. Doesn't even look like the same person. Doesn't even look like Profit, but he doesn't have the cape, but he does have the weird head mask situation. Hang on a sec. And he's got so the cape, but he does have the weird head mask situation.

Hang on a sec. And he's got so many guns. Ollie, stop barking! Stop barking so much! How does Gyllenhaal... Jake Gyllenhaal, you mean. Why does he want to be prophet? Well, not Maggie Gyllenhaal.

Honey! I mean, I guess. He can be an action man. Yeah, I guess that's probably true. He can be an action man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see, he was in an interview this week and he's like, I had to pretend to have sex with Jennifer Aniston in 2002 and I kept getting a boner or whatever. Did you see that? He did see that, Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see, he was in an interview this week and he's like, I had to pretend to have sex with Jennifer Aniston in 2002

and I kept getting a boner or whatever. Did you see that? I did see that, yes. Yeah. Did he say I kept getting a boner or whatever? I kept getting a boner or whatever happens. Whatever happens. I don't understand.

I've never looked down. I don't know how it works. Anyway, I like him. Yeah, I like him too. Unless he gets cancered, in which case I don't like him. And we never liked him. Sometimes we'll be like, we like this person, and then a thing happens, and then we have to go back

and be like, actually, we don't like that. But I think if something terrible happens, just assume that our position has shifted somewhat. We've already disavowed him, yeah. And as previously mentioned, we never liked him. Expendables 4 has begun production. Yes. There's one photo of Statham and Stallone together.

Which you saw and thought, is this an old photo? Is this an old photo? Yeah. No, it's a new photo. Now, I couldn't remember where they had his little goatee. Who are we talking about? Stallone? Yeah.

Do you remember? No. How would I know? Let me check the cast because I think a lot of the people aren't coming back. And there was also imagery of- Everybody's coming back is coming back with a goatee. Actually, no. There's some... Like, Dolph Lundgren is back.

Randy Coulter is back. Tony Jaa is back. Anthony Banderas. Anthony Banderas. That's what we call him. We call him Tony Banderas. Hey, Tony B. Tony B, what are you doing? And also Megan Fox is joining the cast as well.

She's got a goatee. She's got a Megan Fox goatee. You know what I did watch the other day? What's that? Jennifer's Body. Oh, yeah. Which is now like a cult horror movie. Is it any good?

I don't think I've ever seen it. It's pretty fun, yeah. It's like a silly kind of horror movie. That's far from terrible because at the time it was like much maligned, but watching it it's like, no, this definitely has some, like a charm to it. And we always thought that. No, not me. I'd never seen it, so I don't have an opinion on it.

Anyway, are you excitable? Are you excitable for Expendables? I'm very excitable generally. For Expendables 4. Can that be their tagline now? Does he have the little goatee or not, Mason? I don't know. Let me check.

For a while that was the epitome of cool, but maybe it's not the epitome of cool anymore. Was it Mason? I don't know. Let me check. For a while that was the epitome of cool, but maybe it's not the epitome of cool anymore. Was it though? I don't know. There we go. All Stallone. That's what I'm looking at. I saw a trailer for something this week.

Oh, wow. Good for you. It was a Josh Duhamel movie. He's got some scruff. Okay. Anyway, Josh Duhamel, yeah. It was a movie like Tag. It's like there's these buddies.

Buddy games. Buddy games. There we go. It's like there's these buddies. Buddy games. Buddy games. There we go. It's like there are these buddies and they've always been doing buddy games, but what's going to – and there didn't appear to be a plot of any kind in there. Yeah, it's basically like Olympics for like, but it's like – Yeah, but at least Tag, you go, okay, there's one guy who's never been tagged and the plot is do we tag the guy at his wedding or whatever it is.

This was just a series of completely unconnected scenes, just dudes shooting each other with wedding or whatever it is. This was just a series of completely unconnected scenes. Yeah. Just dudes shooting each other with arrows or whatever. And I'm like, that's fine. But at least tell me what's going to happen. Apparently it's not good. Okay. But then again, maybe it's like Megan Fox's Jennifer's Body. It's got 16% on Rotten Tomatoes.

But don't listen to Rotten Tomatoes. Make up your own opinion. Waste your time with this obviously terrible movie. What the fuck do I care? Anyway. Are you talking just to me? I don't know. I wasn't talking to you in particular, but you know what?

If you think I am, I am, all right? Whoa. Never felt so seen. Trailers, ahoy, Mason. Oh, we should get that guy to do it. Oh, yeah. We should have got this guy in. We should have got a healthier man.

I think he's got the rona, for real. He's in the room. We should have got a healthier man. It's too late. I think he's got the rona. For real. He's in the room and we paid him $100,000. Did we? Yeah. Out of my money or your money? Yeah, out of your money. You just said spend what you needed.

And I'm like, all right. I said, do you want $100,000? And he's like, sure. I'm pretty sure. I mean, what he said was like, yeah. It's ridiculous because you went to the chip shop and I said, can you just get me a Coke? Yeah, yeah.

And you were like, are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, just spend whatever. I'll pay you back. And then you bought back this man for $100,000. Which is not what I asked for. Yeah, yeah, but he bought the Coke, so it's free. So it's actually a good deal. Anyway, let's let him do his thing. I don't like him.

I don't like him, Mason. I'm double vaxxed, but I'm still uncomfortable with him being here. Me too. It's not 100%, Mason. You know that. I do know that. Anyway, trailers ahoy. Let's do House of the Dragon first.

Okay. Game of Thrones spin off. Look, nobody was really on board with Game of Thrones by the end. I shouldn't say nobody. I'm sure somebody was. But, you know, there's been enough time and I was like exhausted and I'm like I don't want a prequel. I don't want to talk about this anymore.

I don't want to think about Game of Thrones. It monopolised too much of our lives for too long. It really did. And quite frankly, you know, the Twitter conversation. The discourse. The discourse. I'm sick of it. And I saw this and I went, oh, yeah, all right.

Give it another go. Give it another crack. Everybody's got that white hair that we like. Do you think we're going to be seeing many of your dragons? Yes, that's true. So there you go. Now the problem with prequels are. You know where everything's going to end.

Yeah. But I guess this being 200 years in the past. Yeah. There's a bit of room there. We've got room. I don't have anything else to say other than looks like they put some money into it. Did you see also they renewed Foundation? Oh, for season two.

I've heard it's not great. Haven't seen it yet. I'll get around to it at some point. I think they had to renew it because they're just like, we spent $100 fucking million on this, so we're doubling down. But you know what? The best time, Mason, to get out of any investment, you know this, or any, no, it's the sunk cost fallacy.

Sure is. That's the thing cost fallacy. Sure is. That's the thing I'm saying. We both went to university, we're aware. Different universities, different skills obviously, except for that time we did go to the same university for a time. School of Hard Knocks. Yes, but, yeah, it's just you just get out if it's like, if you can't dig yourself out of it.

I reckon maybe they should have quit before they spent the first $100 million. Really? That's interesting. I don't know. That's interesting. I mean't know. That's interesting. I mean, it's not my money. I don't give a shit.

And I'm watching it for free. Yeah, and it could get better as well. And also, I haven't seen it, so maybe it's amazing. Also, the book, at least the first one or two that I have read, it's a lot of talking. So if they've brought it, unless it's just them in a room talking, they've done more. Well, apparently it's pretty different from the books.

And I also saw some comments, well, like they should have done the prequels because that's more kind of an epic kind of build up and whatever and then led up to whatever. And I'm like, maybe, I don't know. I don't have a great idea of this. Anyway, the other trailer we got was Resident Evil. Fine, we'll just do the games. Are you happy?

Yeah. We're just going to do, forget Alice, forget happy? Yeah. We're just going to do it. Forget Alice. Forget Wentworth Miller. We'll kick some dogs, obviously. You can't have a Resident Evil franchise without us kicking dogs. Someone kicking a dog in the side of the head. We will not bend on kicking or shooting a dog. Yeah. And you're going to have to deal with that.

That's the Resident Evil universe. That's the Resident Evil promise. So this is everything from- They guarantee. That's right. Is everyone sitting in a swamp? Sort of four. I mean, maybe, but it's probably a mutant crocodile.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've done that before. So it's just all the things that you remember from the early games, in particular the first one. There's the mansion. There's the raccoon city. There's that truck crash. Do you remember the truck crash from one of the games?

Is two set at the same time as one? There is definitely two games that are set at the same time. But they might be spin-offs. And you play from different perspectives. Yeah. But I don't know which is which. Maybe it's two and three. Yeah.

You know what's interesting about Resident Evil 4, which they're apparently remaking? Okay. You can play through the whole game and then you can play through it again with the Ada Wong character and it gives you just a different story. Like you do the same levels. Okay. But you're following Leon Kennedy

and you just do... Which one's canon then? Both. They're the same. Oh, I see. Because then you hit the same cut scenes of like when you cross over. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, right, right, right. Anyway. That's good. I like it. I used to play that game a lot. And then I played it again when they released it on Switch. And then

I'm going to play it again when they remake it. And then I'm going to stop playing it I think after that, I reckon. Oh, there's also a VR version, but I then I'm going to play it again when they remake it and it comes out. And then I'm going to stop playing it, I think, after that, I reckon. There's also a VR version, but I'm probably not going to play that one. Okay, great. Fucking good game, though. Just remember constantly being surprised how much that shifts. If you can get past the tank controls and you can't move and shoot at the same time, you're going to have an absolute delightful time experience.

Well, let me tell you in advance, I cannot get past the tank controls. Okay. Did you play five then? They're a little less tanky. I think we played five. Well, let me tell you in advance, I cannot get past the tank controls. Okay. Did you play five then? They're a little less tanky. I think we played five. Oh, we did for a bit. We fought that big bat together. Yeah, yeah.

And then we played the video game. Yes! You were ready to go. I could see you. You were gearing up for that. Yeah. You seem like you're proud of me, though. Yeah, you did really well there.

That was good. That was good. We went to the University of Life together. Well, you fought that big bat. That was good. That was good. We went to the University of Life together. Well, you fought that big bat. I fought the big bat. Anyway, this is why the playlist. Joaquin Phoenix was asked about the Joker 2, and he said, I mean, I don't know.

From when we started shooting, we started to, you know, this is an interesting guy. There are some things we could do with this guy and could explore further. But as to whether we actually will, I don't know. Great stuff. I think they would definitely do it. If he wants to do it, if they can get him to do it,

they'd probably already have started filming this. That's true, yeah. So I think I'd made a billion dollars. It was just, it was like, for me, it was like my anthem. It spoke to me directly as a man. You know what I mean? Everything that I am was reflected in this movie. I remember we watched it and you stood up the entire time.

You had your hand on your heart. That's right. Just drinking it all in. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, wow. You said afterwards your land was girt by Joker. That's what I said. For those who don't know.

It's just a thing you say. It's just a thing that you say in Australia sometimes for some reason. It's fucking country. Anyway. Yeah. Would you, do you think that people would completely lose interest if they couldn't get Joaquin Phoenix, they got a different guy to Joker it? I don't think it would be a complete lack of interest.

I think, for example, if you did get like a Jake Gyllenhaal or somebody of that caliber. Yes. But you wouldn't want to do like, for lack of a better example, seeing as Mason just watched The Mask before we started recording this, you wouldn't want to do Jim Carrey to Jamie Kennedy, that kind of leap. Yeah. Does that make sense?

Yes. What I'm saying is they should get Jim Carrey or Jamie Kennedy for Joker 2. Yes. Second Joker. You could always do like a bet. You could set it in the world, have a small Joaquin Phoenix cameo and have another Joker.

That's true. He's been inspired by the previous Joker, yeah. And it's just each one. It's like the crow. Everyone just takes it. It's not like they haven't done multiple Jokers before. They did it in the comics. They did it in Gotham.

Yep. They could do it in this. They did it in Gotham. Yep. They could do it in this. Sometimes Batman will look at his computer and his computer will say three Jokers and Batman will be like, how is that possible that there are three Jokers? Oh, the world's grossest detective. How did I not remember that I installed this three Joker screensaver?

What's going on? Oh, wait, he's just Toasters. Never mind. But Toasters is a screensaver? I do remember that. God, I just like the one with the space, to be honest, flying through space. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was my favourite screensaver. Anyway. Mine was the Matrix screensaver. Now, did it go to black and then the tech started dropping or did the tech start dropping before? Went to black. Went to black. Get fucked with that.

I mean, the version that I had did that. There should be a better version. If there is one, please let us know, but I'd like one where, like, the screen starts to warp into the matrix. Yeah, okay, right. I don't think the technology was available back then. Then don't do it.

You know what I mean? Wow. Just don't do it. Wow. Fuck. Are you saying you would rather live in a world where there was never a matrix code screensaver? Yes, Mason.

Wow. Do it properly or stay in bed. Here's something. Last bit of news. That's your family motto, I think. That's right. DC Fandome has a trailer for next week. It teases and confirms a couple of things.

For one, we are getting the Batman trailer. There were hints at Shazam, Black Adam. Did you see the Hawkman silver helmet? Yes. There was some The Flash stuff, both televisual and movie. And there was many stars of the many DC upcoming TV shows and movies promoting this, many of whom had different levels of enthusiasm for what they were asked to do.

Okay, I'm going to do something now. Pattinson, not so much if I had to guess. Here's something I want to do right now. I wasn't going to do it. Yes. I wasn't planning to do it. Yes. I wasn't planning to do it, but I got an email from DC Fan Dome in particular, right? And I didn't consult you on this.

I just shot down the idea. So let's just see how we go. Hang on. Let's bring it up. Do you want to have a sickly man in the room? You'll have to pay him $100,000. Okay. So the idea was Warner Brothers would love to –

I'm just going to go through this. All right. Warner Brothers would love to partner with you on your YouTube channel for the DC Fandom campaign this year. Okay. Here's a quick snapshot of the campaign. Okay. Social posting window.

So I've got to do a number of social posts leading up. Okay. Including two in-feed posts or channel previews, three Instagram stories as in two frames or more, six frames in total. Let me stop you there. I'm already exhausted. Okay. Let me stop you there. I'm already exhausted. I'm glad you turned this down. This isn't it.

I figured it wouldn't be. I knew it wouldn't be, but continue. All right. Amplification of the DC Fandom Twitter post with retweets on key announcements begins October 4th. And most importantly of all, a three-hour consecutive live stream of DC Fandom Watch Party. Wow. Which we could have done together.

Now, I turn this down. For one, it was a substantial amount of money, but I'm like, this isn't enough money. Okay. And I've got my kids at home because of homeschooling. Even though it is a weekend, it's just I've never live streamed and i'm just like i just i'd have to figure it all out it's true i'm reposting fandom tweets and whatever the first 20 minutes we wouldn't have done the mics properly we would be a lot a lot of us laughing at each other's jokes then a lot of comments underneath being

like we can't hear you yeah and the other thing is, like, I love DC fandom. Like, genuine, I think it's great, but I still, like, don't want to do this. Anyway, there's more. Announcement post. These are the creative directions. This post is meant to inform your audience of your participation in the live streaming of DC fandom.

Get creative on how you announce your partnership with a cosplay slash makeup transformation. Whoa. Into your favorite DC character. Show off your massive Superman collection. I don't have that. Transform your car into the Batmobile. No.

No? Okay, what? No. Set up your living room into the ultimate DC Fandom watch party environment. Remember that the goal is to get your viewers excited to participate in DC Fandom and encourage them to register at dcfandom.com

and tune in for the watch party, your watch party. Why would you watch me when you could watch the real thing? Would we have to do picture in picture? Yeah, like you watch me talk over Is that what you want? The Batman trailer? Do you want me to interrupt Kevin Smith to talk about the Batman trailer?

Anyway, themed pre-party. Please feature any DC. Do you want me to still do this? No, continue. This madness goes deep. This is too much. Oftentimes people are like, these bloody influencers, they don't do any bloody work.

They just go on the bloody, they're on the Twitch show, they're on the whatever. This is a lot. This is an unusual amount of things. And often when I get something this complicated, I'm like, absolutely not. Never. please feature any dc themed environments backgrounds don't have that dress in a cosplay don't have that wear a dc branded merch to your watch party i don't have that and i've got a superman t-shirt i think somewhere that i sometimes sleep in but nobody

wants to see that it's got holes in it it. It's got baby sick on it. Get your viewers excited about the experience you're about to explore together. Example, what are you most excited about? Or who dressed up as Wonder Woman today? Tweet me a pic and tag hashtag DC fandom. Great. Live stream starts 10 a.m. PT. Influencers will co-stream the live feed from Twitch, Facebook or YouTube Viewers will share their real time reactions

Via chat hosted on the Influencers stream Influencers will be armed with relevant Talking points slash call outs to further Drive engagement, for example We just got to see a BTS look at Batman, how cool BTS is in the Batman? No Mason Breaking the silence Korean pop band?

I think that's what it stands for. That's probably what it means. I'm not sure. We just got to see a BTS behind the scenes. Look at Batman. How cool. Go post your reaction and tag me at DCFandom so I can see it. I would love to watch all of these just to know.

I would just love to watch the Batman trailer reveal segment just to see how many influencers go, that was so cool. Hashtag me in your favourite Wonder Woman costume at DC. Exclusivity, you're restricted from posting any other paid promotion during. No third-party brand. We want to promote, you know, Manscaped. That's right. Third-party branding, you'll be responsible for your own wardrobe. Outrageous.

Also, I don't want that. Your wardrobe shall not include any recognisable logos, brand names, trademarks, images, except if they're approved by Warner Brothers. So you're saying they're not going to send us any Joaquin Phoenix Joker big underpants that we could wear? We're going to supply our own big underpants? This is an outrage.

They also must, Warner must review, and the company, I won't name the company, must review all the content outlines before it's published. All your content must be disclosed in the social media guidelines, something. Do not monetize your live stream or receive donations. Do not use music in the content or live streams other than music

than within DC fandom. Or Gary Glitter. Or Gary, yes, that's right. Use unapproved imagery stills etc do not wear or show in the background third-party logos um and etc so that's essentially it and i just looked at that and went wow just that james just that's all that's all is it oh easy piece if we gathered up like all our dc memorabilia we'd have like two t-shirts and would look bad and I don't think I even have like a Batman action figure

or anything my son does actually oh okay so we'll yeah I need to borrow this yeah so it's just both of us on a couch

and there's a single Batman figurine behind us well anyway I did have one idea and I was never going to do it but my idea was that the background

is that weird empty void they used the last year. I'm like, look, we're in the empty void from DC Fandom 2020. We hate it in here. But I feel like they wouldn't let me do that. They wouldn't like that. No, no.

So anyway, that's often you'll get something like that, but from something you hate. It's like League of Legends or whatever, and you have to do this this this this and i'm like all of this is a contingent that you think i would want anything to do with this absolute fucking dreck you have sent over to this to its credit like i am excited for dc fed that we are going to be covering it like extensively next week there's going to be like multiple trailer breakdowns and whatever and i'm pretty sure also I can make more money doing that than this,

if I'm honest. We should have done like a makeup live stream and then it's done. We get some professionals in and then when it's finished it's like, we're Jimmy Olsen. We're the two Jimmy Olsens from Lois and Clark, the new adventures of Superman. It was just two guys. My other idea was that we both dress as Burt Ward Robin.

That's really good. That's good. In the DC 2020. Yeah. Boy. So we're both like, neither of us are Batman. Yeah, that's good. We're both 1960s Robin.

That's nice. But then I need it in a week. I can't do any of this. Turn my car into the Batmobile. What are you talking about? What do you mean? You know when Batman built the sensible SUV, you know? He's got to put the Bat family in it.

Anyway, but I said I appreciate you thinking of me because I do, but I'm like I can't do this. I'm just not able to. And they said, we'll give you $10,000 if you just read out what we sent you. It wasn't $10,000. No, but they're just like, we'll give you $10,000 if you just read out the thing we sent you and make fun of it on live on a podcast. That'll do. We'll take it.

That counts as promotion. We'll take it. We'll give you more money. Just let us give you money. I think also we are already doing more promotion for it. You know what I mean? It's free, essentially. It's free anyway, so anyway, whatever.

Anyway, James Bond is out. But we shall not dress up for it. No, unless we're both Robin, which I think is a solid idea. That's a funny bit, yeah. Anyway. Or we could be on that. Just a bearded Robin. What if we're both Robin and it's on that,

and they're running down the street and that's the background? I just constantly... Or the... On the wall. Hanging on the wall, yeah. And there's just like a Vincent Price coming out the window being like... Anyway...

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I think November 11th or something. Something like that, yeah. Can't remember. Hopefully again we'll be out of lockdown in a couple of weeks. That's the plan. But who knows? I don't know. So what we've done, we've found this listicle at Den of Geek

of the 25 top secret agents in movie history. Here we go. We haven't read the top ten yet, have we, Mason? No. And also, this list is from 2018 also. Yes. So. No.

Can't think of anyone who's debuted as a spy. Chris Hemsworth extraction. Atomic Blonde. Oh, yeah, was that since? I can't remember. I reckon that was like 2019. I'm going to look it up. More like James Blonde.

Am I right, everyone? Nice. Got it. I swear to God, if John Wick's on this list. Atomic Blonde came out in 2017. Okay, so it might be on here. Okay, so I'm going to say ahead of time, if she's not on this list, we riot. What do you think John Wick will be on here?

Because it seems some of these are a bit like, is that a secret agent? Okay. Just looking through. Okay, if Atomic Blonde is not on here, but John Wick is on here, we riot. Okay, fair enough. All right. We put on our Burt Ward costume and we charge down the street

and we smash our parking meters and stuff. We smash them for all the coins. We've earned it, James. All right, let's start off at number 25. What do we got? Other people that I'll also be mad. No, I'll save it. I had one from earlier that I'll be mad if it's not on the coins. We've earned it, James. All right, let's start off at number 25. What do we got? Other people that I'll also be mad. No, I'll save it. I had one from earlier that I'll be mad if it's not on the list.

Okay, cool. Bit of sizzle. Number 25, what do we got? Number 25, we have Jimmy Tong, who is Jackie Chan from the movie The Tuxedo. Surely he's played a spy in another thing. He must have done. Come on.

Right? I mean, I haven't seen the tuxedo, but the idea is that the tuxedo was technology. Yeah. And he can do various martial arts, right? Mm-hmm. That's right. I'm just going to type in Jackie Chan spy.

Okay. Because he's probably been a spy in another thing. I bet he's been a spy in a better movie. The spy next door? He was in the spy next door. Yeah. I mean, come on. Wasn't he also in that movie recently where he's like,

kidnap my daughter or something? Kidnap my daughter or something. Yeah. If you could. No, it's they've kidnapped my daughter or something. Oh, I get it. But isn't he in that one? It's him and like another famous guy who you'd never think

would work together in a movie. Is it like Pierce Brosnan or something? Something like that. I think it is, yeah. Yeah. One of them's a spy. Is it called like the International or something like that? Something like that. I think it is, yeah. Yeah. One of them's a spy. Is it called like The International or something like that? Something like that.

But it's not that maybe? It's called like The Immigrant or something like that? Let me check. Okay. Jackie Chan, Pierce Brosnan. The Foreigner. There we go. 2017, they could have put it in.

Could have put it in. Yeah. Wait, is he a spy? I don't know. Let me check. Also, every entry is going to be like this, by the way. So we're not going to discuss. Okay, so he is a widowed former Vietnam Special Operations Forces soldier.

Does that count? I don't think so, no. Okay. Wait, Jackie Chan is. I guess. Not Pierce Brosnan. That's his character in this. Is this a good movie?

Let me check. Box office. 66 Rotten Tomatoes. Okay. Anyway, the tuxedo. What? Next up we have at number 24, Derek Flint from Our Man Flint. I actually like the Flint movies.

I think they're pretty good. So these are like Austin Powers. Well, they're mentioned in Austin Powers, aren't they? That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just a James Bond spoof, right? Yeah, it's Our Man Flint and it's in like Flint, I think, is the other one.

But, yeah, it's sort of like Austin Powers or it's sort of like Bond turned up to 11. It's kind of like that. So it's like Roger Moore Bond. It's like Roger Moore Bond, but even more so. Yeah, it's kind of, you know. He's also, he's coaxed out of retirement because a superior agent isn't available who's triple 08. Okay.

He's unflappable, flirty, and handy with a karate chop. It's also James Coburn, who I quite like. Right. That's a good choice. I think so. A worthy number 24. Sure. Unless Atomic Blonde isn't on here, in which case, get out of here.

I say more like James Blonde. Nice. Number 23. Oh, it's a double up. It's a double up already. It's a double feature of a movie that wasn't good enough to get a sequel and now can't get a sequel because of cannibalism potentially. I was going to say, I was like,

who of this cast probably wouldn't come back? And I'm like, oh, yeah, because of the cannibalism. Allegedly. Allegedly. I don't think he's ever cannibalized anybody. I didn't say that. I said allegedly. That's what I'm saying.

I'm clearing up what you're saying. Anyway, The Man from UNCLE, which starred Armie Hammer and Superman. And it's Napoleon Solo and Ilya Kuryakin. That's right. Did I say it? Yes. Perfect. I think this movie has a certain charm to it.

Yeah, I know you always say that. But then you've also said that you tried to watch it again. You couldn't. I couldn't. But then, James, I tried again and I successfully watched it. I like the bit where he's eating the sandwich. That's a bit of a highlight. One of the army hammers being somebody's trying to murder him

in a boat chase or whatever. And Solo's just eating a sandwich. Just eating a sandwich. It's a waste of both setting and cast. Right. They get the era perfect and it's just a fucking nothing movie. Yeah, fair enough. In my opinion.

Okay. Well, see, this could, if this had kicked off, what probably would have happened is they would have fast-tracked Bond is in the 60s again, I reckon. Yeah. If this was really absolutely killer. If this was, yeah. But I think also now if they do do Bond in the 60s.

If they do do Bond in the 60s. James, please. I had to stop myself twice, Mason. Grow up. They can credit themselves for it. That's true. They can be like, no, we thought of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Also, it is one of those movies where at the end it's like, you thought we actually, you thought the terrorists were going to win, but actually several hours ago we fixed this. We solved the problem. This movie actually finished before it started. You shouldn't even be in theaters anymore. Why do you even bother? What else have we got?

Number 22. Phil Coulson. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. Is he a spy? There's a lot of them. He's a secret agent. He's in S.H.I.E.L.D.

Yeah. Let me go up to the top of this again. Top 25 secret agents in movie history. Yeah. I mean, operatives, spies, moles, infiltrators, secret agents go by many names. The following list also proves secret agents can come in many forms. Some are trained for the life of spies,

but many have the world of espionage and imminent death thrust upon them. Plenty of famous names. Great secret agents from cinema history who we think deserve their own brief moment in the spotlight. Okay. Okay. I would argue he's not particularly secret. No.

Because he keeps introducing himself as Phil Coulson from S.H.I.E.L.D. Yes, that's true. He's like, hello, local law enforcement. It's me, Phil Coulson from S.H.I.E.L.D. I'm from a secret organization or whatever. But he gets more secret, doesn't he? In Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., he's quite secret at most points, yeah. There you go.

Okay. Yeah, look, let's put him in there. And you love Clark Gregg or Greg Clark. Whatever his name is. Whatever he ends up deciding on. Oh, 21. He's a good one. Yeah, this is a good one.

Do you think. This should be higher. Before we say who this is, do you think this should have gotten a sequel or a franchise or multiple movies or do you think this is perfect the way it is? I think they are going to do a show or there's been talk of. With this guy as a recast? No, I think it's different people. But the ship has sailed on this.

Yes. Unless you put him in the Charlton Heston role. Anyway, what are we talking about? We're talking about Harry Tasker as portrayed by Alan Schwarzenegger in True Lies. Yeah. Now, look, I also know that True Lies has, like, a lot of problematic and outdated views on, like, the Middle East

and things like that in it. But at the same time, we haven't seen it in years. Yeah, well, that's also true. But it's like it's a fun, silly movie. And Arnold is like he's not – I think I talked about this on Total Reboot, which the podcast you also did when I talked about The Terminator. But every time James Cameron uses Arnold,

he knows exactly what to do with him. Yeah. I think this is the last time Arnold was like in a perfect action movie yeah yeah you're right I'm not saying he hasn't done good stuff since because he's been in some pretty good stuff but this role I think this is this is the pinnacle of him as a movie star yeah and it's also it's perfectly pitched as this guy who is just a wall of muscle, but also he's a computer salesman. Like that's his cover story.

But he's also like, I just think that's just the funny, it's a funny bit and it never falls into like, I can't enjoy this movie because it doesn't make any sense. Well, of course it doesn't make any sense. Exactly. On the topic of the series, it's been rumoured for years. In February of 2021, CBS announced a pilot order and a second attempt to materialise the adaptation, blah, blah, blah.

James Cameron, director of the film, will be executive produce, blah, blah, blah. McG is set to direct the pilot. McG? Yeah. And CBS moved the pilot off cycle to give the series producers more time to film the pilot later in the year. And that's the last we have heard of it. It has to tie in.

I mean, Tom Arnold would definitely do it because he always brings it up. He's always like, we're doing true lies too. Yeah, that's true, yeah. It's like, you're not doing true lies. We're calling it two lies. We're calling it too many true lies too. I don't think they could do it again. I don't think they could nail it.

There's an excessive number of true lies happening right now is the line from the movie. But they couldn't nail it now, right? I don't think they could do it again. I don't think they could nail anything. There's an excessive number of true lies happening right now is the line from the movie. But they couldn't nail it now, right? I don't think so. Would Cameron, would he, he might, does he executive produce? Yeah, he does. He produces like all the Terminator movies mostly. I guess that's true, yeah.

Bits and pieces. True lies. Next up, I haven't seen this movie. I have seen it. Mallory Cain. From the movie Haywire. Yeah, Gina Carano famously left Star Wars to make action movies for the Daily Wire or something.

Famously decided to make the decision between being an ongoing character in Star Wars forever and making social media posts, and she chose the latter. Hey, everyone picks their lane. You've got to pick your lane, and good for her for being a hero is what I say. Haywire is good though, isn't it? I like Haywire a lot.

It's got Channing Tatum in it. Isn't she dubbed in it? I don't know. Okay, let me check. I think when I – because this came out in 2011, I think, and when this came out I think I probably had like a standard definition TV or I was watching it on a laptop or something like that so I probably wouldn't have noticed if it was dubbed.

Yeah, here we go. Why did they dub Gina Carano's voice in Haywire? And it seems Soderbergh wanted to emphasise every possible difference between Gina Carano and the characters she plays on screen. So with Carano's participation, he did some work to alter her voice in the film. Her voice was altered. That reminds me, there's a Steven Soderbergh movie coming up very soon.

Sorry, the entire dialogue was dubbed over by another actress. Oh, it was Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah. They took all his dialogue from Hercules in New York. Really? Yeah, they just dubbed it over the top of it. Probably could have picked a better movie. No, no, they picked up, they were like Also, he's already dubbed over in that movie.

So did they use the original dialogue? They used the original dialogue. They just plugged it in. They're like, we got it here. We've never used it. It's been sitting here for years, for decades. They've changed the tax laws. If we don't use it, we're going to pay like millions of dollars. We can just stub her over. It's fine.

What were you going to say, though? Soderbergh's got that new movie that's – oh, it's already out. It's on HBO Max. No sudden move. Which one's that? It's the Crime Caper. It's got Cheadle in it. It's got Benicio Del Toro, David Harbour, John Hamm,

Brendan Fraser is in it. Oh, wow. Kieran Culkin is in it. Ray Liotta is in it. This looks incredible. Bill Duke is in it. This came out in June? Came out in June or July.

It got a general release, yeah. Is it out in Australia? Brendan Fraser's in it. Did you mention that already? I did mention that, yeah. We're not learning much about secret agents, but we are learning a lot about. You're not supposed to know anything about secret agents, are you?

That's the revelation we've come to. Number 19, another double up. Agent K and J from Men in Black. Yeah, they're secret agents, I guess, aren't they? Yeah. Yeah, they're good. Yep. I think it throws me a bit because they're like alien cops.

Yes, exactly. Because I'm like, is that a secret agent? But they are. They are secret agents, aren't they? But I thought also this was a list of like underrated secret agents. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. These guys are very rated, I feel. They're very rated.

I think they're a great. Look, if this were the list of best buddy cop team members. Yep. I'd put them way high. I'm very high on the list. Higher than Eddie Murphy and Robert De Niro in the movie Showtime? Yes. Okay.

Yes. There we go. Higher than the movie I Spy with Eddie Murphy and Owen Wilson? Yes. Higher than the movie Another 48 Hours with Eddie Murphy and Nick Nolte? Yes. Higher than the movie Trading Places with Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd? Yes.

Higher than the movie The Golden Child with Eddie Murphy and someone else who's in that movie? Yes. He's not a spy. No. Or a buddy. He doesn't have a buddy in that. No, I don't think he has a buddy. That little boy is his buddy, I guess. I guess. That golden little boy. Yes. He's not a spy. No. Or a buddy. He doesn't have a buddy. No, I don't think he has a buddy.

That little boy is his buddy, I guess. I guess. That golden little boy. Yes. What have we got, number 18? Number 18, John Mason. Yeah, so he's from... Relative of Mind the Rock, John Connery.

Yeah, this is a good one. One of the few Michael Bay movies that I genuinely unironically like. And, of course, this one, obviously, you know, this leans into the idea and i think there's been some even even more recent yeah fan speculation on is this james bond and they chucked him in alcatraz probably probably i mean that was the but not literally you can't literally do it because it's uh yeah it's an homage that's what these fan theories often don't take into account yeah it's just an homage it's just a homage you can theorize all you want that's fine that's fine and fun.

I'm going to do that. Anyway, yeah, I like that idea of an old James Bond. Same. And next up at number 17 we have Susan Cooper from the movie Spy. I remember liking Spy. I like Spy, but she's not the best spy in the movie Spy. Dude, Laura's the best spy in it? Doesn't she end up being the best spy?

Yeah, I mean, but I mean as in terms of like ridiculous screen presence. It's Statham. Oh, it's Statham. Of course it is. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. It's the biggest, dumbest idiot. Yeah, who keeps lying about all the things that he's done. Yeah, it says McCarthy's great value as an unlikely secret agent

and her scenes with Jason Statham, who happens to play the sweary secret agent in the film history, are real high point. I agree. It's a pretty good movie from memory. Next up, we've got Felix Leiter from the Bond series. Good choice. So he's been played by a few people more recently, Jeffrey Wright,

who actually, I didn't even realise, hasn't played Felix Leiter since Quantum until now. Oh, because he wasn't in Skyfall or Spectre. Which I just, for some reason, even though we just looked at those movies, he feels like a big presence in those movies. Yeah, I would like a Felix Leiter series. Exactly, yeah.

Yeah. There's no American spy movies. This would be a perfect spin-off. Agreed, yeah. Well, America is in itself, and they'd hate to hear it, modern America is a spin-off of England. That's very true. We're not.

We're like a colony of garbage people that they shoved down here. That's true, yeah. But America is a spin-off. Great. Yeah, let's do Felix Leiter. I mean, because there's a comic book version, obviously. There were some comic book spin-offs recently through Dynamite. And in those, and they're're setting the book continuity and in

the book continuity uh he was like mauled by a shark he's mauled by a shark in license to kill yeah but in the books legs is he one leg and one arm but in the books he's mauled in live and let die uh but because america and sharks but but he gets like a robot leg and a robot arm and they're super high tech in the in the in the comic book. So do you want that? Do we give him that sort of high tech stuff? Maybe not in the first movie, but yeah. Yes. Yeah, good. You?

It's probably a bit far, but yes. I like those new James Bond comics. Or is he just like a regular, like maybe don't, maybe a Felix Leiter movie, it isn't like Bond high tech. Yeah. It's not Smartblood aston martin's or whatever it's just him kicking in doors and like choking people sure that's the the joy of the most recent bond movies it's just him choking in those and choking people but is he a choking guy not really he's sitting in a bar he's like god i hope james bond gets here soon because i am well out of my

depth and i have to talk to david harbour and i hate him and i'm so drunk i've spent all the money that they gave me at the CIA. I don't know what I'm doing. I've never played poker before this. I don't know why they got me to do it. David Harbour probably would have played poker before. Don't you think that character in those movies looks like he played poker on the weekend with his buddies?

Yeah, with his buddies to get away from his wife. Yeah. Yeah, I feel Felix Light a series now. Yeah. Why not? Why not? Why not? They seem a bit reluctant to do spin-offs

because they've talked about I saw this week that they spoke to the Broccoli's about some potential spin-offs for characters in the new movie and they're like

we don't really want to do that. That's a shame. I think they're really protective of the IP and they should be because this could very easily be like

14 James Bond prequel spin-off shows and whatever. You know, it could happen. Remember Treadstone, the Jason Bourne series? Yeah, of course I do. Of course everyone does. It's still going.

I'll get you a Treadstone cake for your birthday. Treadstone on it and whoever was the main guy in Treadstone, I went to the cake shop and I just said, put the main guy from Treadstone on the cake. And they're like, well, we've got one here ready already. I'm like, great. It's our most popular cake. That show's still going.

We almost sold out. Yeah. The only reason there's a spare one is because somebody didn't pick it up. They forgot. Anyway, it's not still going. They cancelled Treadstone. Yeah, that's true. I reckon this Geoffrey Wright.

Yeah. Sorry, this Geoffrey Wright, Felix Leiter, he'd be a very good guy who fights people in an alley. Yep. Like he pulls the suit jacket over their head and then he beats them with like a brick or something. Yeah, okay.

I think that would be, I reckon there'd be some good action sequence. Yep. Because he doesn't, like he doesn't strike me as a guy who like knows a lot of martial arts or whatever, but he would fight dirty. Totally. Which I like. Me too. Number 15.

Oh, Evelyn Salt. One of our favorites. From the movie Salt. Is it Evelyn or is it Evelyn? I don't know. Totally. Which I like. Me too. Number 15. Oh, Evelyn Salt. One of our favourites. From the movie Salt. Is it Evelyn or is it Evelyn? I don't know. Anyway, it's Salt. Now, this role, I believe, was going to be a Tom Cruise thing as well. Tom Cruise vehicle, yeah.

And it ended up being an Angelina Jolie okay action movie from memory. Do you remember much of this? Not a lot. Yeah. We saw it at the cinemas together. Did we? We did. Huh.

Yeah. I don't know if that's true. And there's been talk of like Salt sequels ever since. I thought you were going to say there's talk of us going to the cinemas again one day. That's right.

Well, actually, yeah, I was going to say when's the last time we saw it together? Probably... Salt? No, it would have been... Suicide Squad. It's Jolie's performance

that keeps the story simmering. She's dangerous, sly, and perhaps a traitor. And all of that's what makes her so compelling to watch. Tom Cruise was initially secured as the lead, but then it was rewritten. So there you go. I remember it being, again, fine. Oh, you're making too much barking noises. She's making too much barking noises, Mason.

Don't you agree? Babies asleep. If the baby's asleep, This podcast ends if she wakes up Mason Well Let me just go get that dog While you read the next one Or just pause and wait

And what I'm going to do Is I'm going to think of A funny name the character would have That isn't salt That Tom Cruise is Like it would be a different condiment You see what I'm saying? Like probably like coriander or something

Or like a ketchup Would it be secret agent ketchup? It'd be ketchup Mustard? You see what I'm saying? Like probably like coriander or something or like ketchup. Would it be secret agent ketchup? I think it'd be ketchup. Mustard? Because my initial thought was pepper, right? I didn't hear any of that. So what I'm saying. Condiments?

Yeah, if Tom Cruise would have the role, what would the character be named? I'm thinking some other sort of table condiment. Like secret agent ketchup? Oh, yeah. You know? Sergeant Pepper? Sergeant Pepper would definitely work, yes. Would you?

Yellow submarine? Colonel Mustard. That's good. Tom Cruise is Colonel Mustard. He's breaking out. He's already got the clues. He's out of there. But I guess he already had.

Secret Sauce? Is that anything? Secret Sauce. Very, yep, that's right. Great. At number. I'm sorry. I guess he didn't – because we would have been deep in bloody Mission Impossible, man.

Not really at that point. That was before four. So it was kind of – I was up in the air when they were going to do another one. It was about to kind of take off properly again, even though they'd already done three and three was pretty good. Number 14, we've got Edgar Brody. In 1936, a secret agent.

Wow, this is something for our podcast time crapsule, I think. Yeah. We'd just go through the year 1936 and we'd say, Secret Agent, what's that? But it was directed by Alfred Hitchcock, interestingly, and that is interesting. It's very interesting. And set during World War I.

So there you go. That's interesting. He's on a telephone. He's looking stern and stoic. Oh, my God. That is classic 1936. That's a wig He's on a telephone. He's looking stern and stoic. That is classic 1936. That's a wig. Is it?

Can't tell from this image quality. On Edgar Brody. Yeah. I think that's his real hair. Can't tell from, I can't tell from like the image quality, to be honest. Okay. So there you go. Oh, Peter Loray's in this.

All right. He was in all sorts of Hitchcock movies. Good on him. I think that's just thin hair actually just looking at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. Anyway, next, yeah. Interesting. Anyway, next up we have at number 15. Harry Hart from Kingsman.

Good one. And the bad sequel. Bad sequel, bad Kingsman. I think they made this list also because it was just before Kingsman 2 came out. Yes, yeah, yeah. I believe so. Yeah, there was a touch of class it took.

That's true. I think which is often a surprising thing, and this can also be said for the Jason Bourne movies, they take an actor who's not known for roles of action and they put Colin Firth in like amazing action sequences. That's true, yeah. And then there was a second movie with robot dogs. How much of that is him and how much of that is stunt performer, I wonder?

I think it's like mostly him, I believe. But, you know, there's like a one-er, there's a couple of one-ers. There's one in particular in the him, I believe. There's like a one-er. There's a couple of one-ers. There's one in particular in the church which is... It's not really a one-er. Made to look like a one-er. But a lot of it is him. Probably not all of it. This next one, I'm like, he's a spy? He is a spy. We're talking about, of course...

Bruce Lee in Enter the Dragon. I've never seen Enter the Dragon. But he's hired by British intelligence to go on a secret mission. And he says, why don't they just get a, they want to get rid of this guy. And he's like, why don't they just get a 45 and like that. Is that what he says? Yeah.

Do they dub him? I don't think so. I know they dub his, like, you know, the noises that he makes when fighting people? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He doesn't make any of those noises. Those are put in. Oh, they added them in.

Yeah. I wonder how he felt about that. Probably bad, I reckon. Yeah. Because they're a bit silly maybe. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, that's also a thing that people remember, you know.

It's like a statement. Hi-ya. Hi-ya and a wah and whatever. Yeah. So there you go. Also noises made by Wario. Hi-ya. Wah.

If they didn't add these stupid noises to Bruce Lee's action sequences, we'd never have the evil Mario and Luigi brothers. So true. And next up we have at number 11, Jack Defer Ryan. From The Hunt for Red October. I don't feel he's a secret agent. Up to Jack Ryan. He's a pencil pusher.

Shadow Recruit. Jack Ryan. No, we'll do Jack Ryan series or whatever, which I don't watch. Same. Which is probably cancelled or still going. What do you think? It's on Amazon, so it's probably still going. I think it is.

Let me check. I reckon they've done three and it's on hiatus. Yeah. This is one, yeah, it's still going. It's the present day. This is one of those characters now that people look back and go, and especially now that this is CIA propaganda. Yeah, for sure.

They've done two and it hasn't been an episode since october of 2019 so presumably the pandemic yeah has delayed it and but we are getting more jack ryan apparently great who cares he's also been quick out there name a characteristic of jack ryan i can't do ale. Alec Baldwin. Oh, good point. That is a character. Harrison Ford twice. Ben Affleck once. Chris Wright. Chris. Fuck, which Chris is it? Pine another time. I meant more name like a.

Oh, sometimes in a suit. An answer to that. Okay, that's a good point, actually. Yeah, you've nailed it. Once on a submarine. Clear and present danger. Yep, he is either creating or stopping a clear and present danger. So I think that's...

Do you think he's creating a clear and present danger? Maybe. What is the CIA? Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. Ryan, you've got to create a clear and present danger. Then we can topple this democratically elected government

and install our own one. You're a hero, Jack Ryan. Nah, good on ya. So I think Harrison Ford replaced Alec Baldwin due to, I think Alec Baldwin was the most popular and, like, he cost more at the time. Oh, I see. Which is interesting.

But Alec Baldwin doesn't have the characters that Harrison Ford has now, do you know what I mean? Like, nobody's like, I'll bring back Alec Baldwin as the shadow. Oh, you are. I would definitely say that. Anyway, then we've got Alec Lemus in A Spy Who Came In From The Cold. This is a good one, isn't it? I've actually never seen it.

I have seen this. It's good, yeah. Richard Burton. Miserable. It's the exact opposite of cool glamour. I think at one point you seem like sadly washing his socks in the sink. Oh, I love that. Yeah.

I love that so much. Yeah, just that idea of like they're not very well paid. Yeah, and he's like out in the, you know, he's out in the cold as it were. Yeah. I'm a big fan of that. Yeah, there you go. Number nine, we've got Ethan Hunt. I mean, he is a spy, isn't he?

I'm like, this guy's a, like the stuff that he does is lunacy. But it's espionage, isn't it, really? Yeah, for sure. It's masks and tasks, this fellow, isn't it? Masks and tasks, that's right. I mean, we've talked about this guy to death. Something wrong with him. Oh, yeah, yeah.

But he still does it. He wishes he was dead. Yeah. But he can't kill himself. That's right. But, you know, Tom Cruise makes great movies. Got him. Yeah.

Shame about he's crazy. Yes. Number eight. This is a good one. You love this one, don't you? Yeah. Joe Turner, which is obviously Robert Redford in Three Days at the Condor. Have you not seen this one?

I still haven't seen it. And I know there's a new series, but I feel like I should watch this first. Right. Though the series is a remake of the original, right? Yes. Which I think is the remake of a book. I think the book is called Seven Days of the Condor. Okay.

And they were just like, we don't know four of these days. But basically it's about a guy. I love the premise. He's not a secret agent so much. So he's off the bloody list. He's just like a guy who analyzes data and tapes and video footage or whatever, and he leaves to go for coffee. He's in an office with a bunch of people.

He leaves to go get coffee, and then his entire team is killed, and he shows up, and everybody's dead, and he's like, oh, nuts. He has to go on the run. I just work the phones or whatever. And it's big-time 70s style as well. Robert Redford style icon. He's looking great. I'm a big fan.

He's got his aviators on. He's got his tweed jacket and his blue jeans. I'm a big fan of Robert Redford style icon. He's looking great. I'm a big fan. He's got his aviators on. He's got his tweed jacket and his blue jeans. I'm a big fan of Robert Redford. How is that Robert Redford that good looking? I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. Is that even his real hair color? Is it all weak?

This dude's out of control. Right? He still looks like that as well. This is a stupid question. Did people, did men dye their hair like blonde in the 70s? Yeah. Okay. Just checking.

I mean, I guess they did. Story checks out. Well, like this color of blonde is unusual as well. Yeah, that. Okay. Just checking. I mean, I guess they did. Story checks out. Well, like this colour of blonde is unusual as well. Yeah, that's true. You know what I mean? Because normally you lose that colour if you're blonde as you get older. Yeah. Number seven, we've got Gunther Bachmann.

I haven't seen this. The Most Wanted Man. That's Philip Seymour Hoffman. Philip Seymour Hoffman. So this does look good. But again, I don't have anything to say. It was directed by Anton Corbin. What did he do?

Let's look it up. I'm going to give it a look, see? Yes. Let's give it a look. Oh, he directed The American, which is that George Clooney movie. Is that good? Yes, it is good, yeah. I've never seen The American.

He's like a – why is he not in this list? That's a good spy movie. Okay. That's great. Again, it's very understated. He's just like very – he's very cool and businesslike. It's all about the tone of that movie. It's good.

All right. Next up we have Nikita from La Femme Nikita, which was also a TV series, wasn't it, for a time? Sure was, yeah. 1990. It's very watchable. And she's initially a drug addict, adult to to drop out and is given a stark choice, either train to become an operative or die in prison.

So there you go. Exciting stuff all around. I should watch that or should I? Next we've got Alicia Huberman from Notorious 1946. Daughter of a convicted German spy who is herself pressed into service as an agent for the Americans. Is this based on a real person? Maybe it's not.

I don't know. Anyway, cool. Again, another one I don't really know that much about because it's from 1946 or whatever, but it is Hitchcock. Is it good? I guess it's good if it's number six or whatever. What's next, Mason? Oh, here we go.

No surprises here. I thought it would be a little higher, though. Jason Bourne. Do you think they put Jeremy Renner's Jason Bourne in here as well? I mean, they've put a photo of Matthew Damon, but I'm sure Jeremy Renner will merit a mention. Jeremy Renner does his best as Aaron Cross, but as an agent in constant need of brain-boosting pills,

it's no replacement for Bourne and his ever-present identity crisis. I still think Bourne. Do you think they threw that at Jeremy Renner like during production or like some of the scenes? They're like, man, you're going to – your character needs brain boosting pills because he's dumb. He's a real dummy. He's a dumb guy.

That's why we cast you. It's perfect for you. Yeah. And you might be like, I don't think I feel that way, but I'll present to you this mirror and look in the mirror and tell me you're a guy who doesn't need brain boosting pills. Jeremy.

Jeremy. You've signed the contract. It's too late, Jeremy. Jeremy. So there you go. Yeah, he's a good spy. I still think the first Bourne movie is the best one. Yeah.

And it's got the most intrigue because then every other movie is like, who am I or whatever. Yes. It's like, didn't we do this already? And then the last one where he's like, who am I? whatever. It's like, didn't we do this already? And then the last one where he's like, who am I? And also there's an app or something. There's an app or something. What do you mean Facebook's taking all our data or some kind of Facebook,

whatever Facebook is in my universe. Or a Facebook conference or something. Oh, no. Or escape behind this tram or something. Here's one I haven't seen also. George Smiley and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. Have you seen Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy? I have not seen Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. Have you seen Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy? I have not seen Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, but that's a Le Carre novel as well.

Yes, it is. Was this a Spielberg? I don't know. I don't know either. Let me quickly look that one up. It doesn't feel like a Spielberg. What about Bridge of Spies? Does that feel like a – I don't know.

It's Thomas Alftonson. Oh, Thomas Alftonson. Alfredson, sorry. You might know as director of – I'm just off the top of my head, you might know him as the director of Mason, The Snowman 2017, that movie that everyone makes fun of. Oh, because it's really badly edited, sure. Apparently, but I've never seen it.

Number two. James Bond is probably going to be number one, but number two is Harry Palmer. Yes. Are you a Harry Palmer fan? That's bloody, bloody. I'll tell you what, I'm a fan of our old mate. Yeah.

Bloody. Michael Caine. Michael Caine, yes. Me too. Is he in all the sequels? Yes, I think he is, yeah. Why aren't they? They went on to like the 80s, I think.

Why aren't they still making these? He probably doesn't want to do them. Wow. The last one he did was Midnight in St. Petersburg in 1996. I was going to say, yeah. Fucking hell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.

So he started doing it in 65. And there was one in 95 and in 96. They're all on, I think they're all on Amazon. They're all on Amazon, yeah. I saw one recently. I put it on my list. I'm like, yeah, I should re-watch these. But he didn't do one between 1976 and 1995.

Yeah. So they could technically do another one of these. But then he sort of had, yeah, remember he sort of had that resurgence where I think it was after this. I think it was like Dark Knight. It was probably like a Batman Begins Dark Knight. Yeah, yeah. Because he did Harry Brown.

You remember Harry Brown? He did do Harry. I love Harry Brown, yeah. So there you go. Wow, cool. And then at number one, if it's not James Bond, it's got to be Atomic Blonde. It's James Bond.

It's obviously James Bond. Well, they didn't have Atomic Blonde. And they didn't have whatever Robert De Niro's character's name is in Ronin. And they didn't have John Wick, who's technically not a spy, but that would have given us the right to riot. Well, we're still going to riot, though, because Atomic Blonde isn't on there, so we're going to riot. What do you think's missing from here? Austin Powers?

Yes, Austin Powers. I think he is genuinely missing from here. If you can put in, like, Flynn or whatever, and you can put in Men in Black, you can put in fucking whatever his name is. Because, yeah, like, it's because he, you know, it's not like they're like, we won't include comedies, because Men in Black's

a comedy. What about that CIA one? Oh, no, I was going to say the CIA one where Will Smith's like, stop chasing my family, but he's being chased by covert operatives. And not up. What about Penguins of Madagascar? They're spies, aren't they? Sure are. Spies in disguise.

I was about to say the one where Will Smith turns into a pigeon. Oh, my God. Well, I guess there's also a bunch of TV ones. Like I know people love The Americans. They should have done a sequel to Ronin is all I'm saying. Maybe they still can. Maybe they can make a movie that's not as good now. Would you like that?

Yeah, I'd love that. It's interesting that they picked Felix Leiter, but none of the other Bond. Like there are a bunch of other Bond characters I guess you could have chosen. Like who? Yeah, I was just thinking. Jinx? No.

Q? Yes. Old who? Yeah, I was just thinking. Jinx? No. Q? Yes. Old Q? Old Q. What's some... Whatever Rowan Atkinson's character was. What about Clive Owen? He must have been a spy.

He's been a croupier. Yeah. He was nearly Bond probably. Oh, there we go. He was in the movie Duplicity with Julia Roberts where he was a corporate spy. I remember that one. That's a good movie.

I recall it being good. Yeah. You never see it on any lists though, do you? Nah. It's one of those ones that just disappeared. Yeah, there you go. Everybody was double-crossing everybody? Everybody had a secret pill for youth or something or thought they did.

Did they? Because it was about the cosmetics and- Is that what it was about? Yeah, it was about basically there was like a secret formula for something, something that- They were corporate spies trying to find out what other cosmetic companies were doing and whatever. Anyway, not a bad list though, all in all.

What do you think? I loved it. Me too. It's the best list we've ever torn apart on this podcast. Did we miss any famous spies? What about spy versus spy? What about Inspector Gadget? The comic strip characters.

He's a cop. He's a cop. And he doesn't even know he's spying when he's doing it i mean he has a magnifying glass in his hat but that doth not make it that's right a secret squirrel yeah what here we go what about um fucking uh he's got a bulletproof coat and a cannon hat what the fuck she's got a cane that goes ratatatatat max fucking smart whatever his name is. Maxwell Smart. Maxwell Smart. You nailed it. Yes. You're obviously friends with him because you called him Maxwell.

Yeah, we're good friends. Yeah. I'm just going to write best TV spies. What about like that Val Kilmer one where he does different voices and hats? The Saint? Yeah. Okay. He's a spy, isn't he?

I mean, he's been a spy. I don't know that version of a spy. What about the TV show Homeland? The Saint's more of a private operative, I feel. What about Sandra Oh and that thing where she does... Oh, Killing Eve. Well, that came out after this list, obviously. Yeah, okay, fair enough.

And she's more a bureaucrat. You're more of a bureaucrat, bitch. Is that your new catchphrase? You say it to people at the bank? When the line is too long? What about Kiefer Sutherland in 24? Yep, great. Is he a spy?

I don't think that show ever lived up to its potential. He's just a guy running around. I don't think he counts as a spy. Yeah, you might be right. Don't you think that show never – what about Black Widow? I mean, yes. I think if that Black Widow movie had have come out at the time of this list, she would have made the list. Oh, she definitely would have.

But also, well, I mean, because she does, she feels more like an action. Like all the spy stuff to me feels like it's alluded to but is never said. It's always like I remember Budapest and it's like. Fair point. I get. But like mostly what she does is she goes into a room

and there's a bunch of bad guys and she beats them up. And that's cool. Yep. But, I mean, when she like taking photos of plans with microfilm, you know. Great point. With one of those little cameras. What about Avengers 1960s? Go on.

Avengers remake 96 or whatever that was. Go on. With Ralph Fiennes and Emma Sermon. They're spies, aren't they? They're spies. What about Alias? Great show. That's a spy.

That's a spy, Mason. That's a spy, all right. What about that spy movie with Val Kilmer? The Saint. No, the other one, like the Top Secret. It's called Top Secret or something like that? Yeah, Top Secret. I think it's called Top Secret.

It is called Top Secret, yeah. Anyway, there you go. There's some good spies here, mate. There is. There's some good spies here. Missed There is. There's some good spies here. Missed out on Atomic Blonde. Never forgive them. I'll never forgive you, Den of Geek.

What about Valkyrie? It's technically got some spying in it. But I consider that more a Nazi movie. Yeah. It's your favorite movie, isn't it? It's not. Because the Nazis actually, because they don't kill Hitler. That's what you like about that movie.

No, it's not true. What? It's not true. That's what you tell me. I don't like Nazis or Hitler. Oh. Okay. That's what you told me. I don't like Nazis or Hitler. Oh, okay. That's interesting. It's interesting how, like, you have one personality off air

and then on. What about that show, The Night Manager, Tom Hiddleston? Is he a spy? Yeah, he's sort of a spy or whatever. He's a night manager. And he's a night manager. Right. Well, that didn't come out probably.

Yeah, you're probably right, maybe. Definitely. Anyway, there's definitely more, but those are some of them. Well, look, if I've come away from nothing. Chuck. From the TV series Chuck. Is he a spy? Yes.

He's probably running around and kicking guy. He's got some spy stuff. It doesn't matter. Anyway, if nothing else, this episode, I've come away with a lot of stuff that I'm going to go and watch. Yeah. When I get home. Mr. and Mrs. Smith, both spies or assassins.

Doesn't matter. Mostly assassins, I think. Right, there we go. Anyway, we've got to move it forward. Okay. Because what are we if we're not moving forward? Not sharks. We're reverse sharks.

Exactly, reverse sharks, backward sharks. Do you know what it's time for then? It's a time for what we In, and then it's sequel, What We're Going to Read. You're actually not going to believe it, Mason, but you are correct. Yes. Here we go. I put it on mute.

I never get anything right. I'm a fucking idiot. James, James, James. Don't talk like that. Westworld. Sometimes you get some things kind of right. It's not true. It's not true. It's not true at all.

That's true. I lied because I wanted to make you feel better. That's how that happened. What are you reading? I have been, speaking of Lower Decks, I'm catching up on Star Trek Lower Decks. It's good. It's funny.

I've still got a few episodes to go. Yep. And I'm also currently up to date with Only Murders in the Building, which I've mentioned in episodes past. Which is mine, Short, and I've mentioned in episodes past, which is mine's short and Steve Martin and Selena Gomez and other stars, celebrity guest stars. Yeah, well, can you not tell me because it's very – No, I can tell you.

No, no, no, I don't want to know. Okay, Sting's in it. Sting's in it. Sting's in it? As himself? Yes. Fuck! I didn't want to know that.

That's awesome. Well, now you know. But that's a little sizzle for you. But in the most recent episode, I think we mentioned that they're like podcast superfans who discover, murder podcast superfans, and they discover a murder in their own building and they're like, we'll solve the murder and we'll also create a podcast about it. But in the most recent episode, they're like,

we've got to employ the power of our fans to help out and they bring in the, you know, and it's always like, what are the fans like? A bunch of nerds. Ah, okay, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow, yeah. Is that what you're saying that our fans are like? No, I'm saying that's what we're like because we also listen to podcasts.

Oh, yeah. I'm listening to one right now. What's it about? It's just my podcast. JRE. It's just last week's episode. Yeah, it's the last week's episode of JRE exclusively on Spotify. Please check it out.

Support $100 million. As I understand it, you listened to the previous episode, our previous week's episode, so you can ensure that the current episode is up to snuff. Correct. The previous episode. It's quality control, essentially. Yeah, yeah.

There's a little bit of drift. Definitely. Yeah. I read Superman 78, issues one and two, which we talked about last week. I really liked it. It reminded me a lot, because it does introduce Brainiac, of Superman Unbound, which is essentially, if you've ever read that, it's a version of Superman

who looks a lot like Christopher Reeve going up against Brainiac. And it's kind of a bit of that story, but it's in the 70s and Gene Hackman's in it as well. And it's a slight spoiler, but you see the Lex Luthor battle armor. He builds the Super Friends. He's got it in his cupboard. Green and purple suit he's building. I hope he's, he better bust that out because I swear to God.

I swear to God, Mason. Is it set after Superman 2? It must be, right? I think it is, yeah. Because calling it Superman 78 is confusing. Because it implies that it's only set after the first one. And that's why I was confused about Batman 89 initially because it really should be called Batman 93. It should be called Batman set after the first one. And that's why I was confused about Batman 89 initially. Because it really should be called Batman 93.

It should be called Batman set in the Tim Burton Batman universe. Yeah, which isn't the cartoon universe. But not the Joel Schumacher. They use similar themes. But it's actually... Is that set after Batman Returns? Can't remember, I should say. Yeah, can't remember. That's what it should be called. I don't know if I've watched anything else. I bet you've watched a bunch of stuff, mate.

Probably did. But I mean, we both read Absolute Carnage. We did. And so I think I'm probably, and that was written by Donny Cates, who we're big fans of because he, we've mentioned on the show, he wrote a comic book called God Country, which is about a magic sword

that gets you into all sorts of mischief. Yeah, for good or ill. So I'm probably going to go back and read some more Venom stuff, because he also did a Venom limited series. And there's a whole – we missed years of Marvel Venom related stuff. Oh, yeah. And there's more stuff before and after. But I think that's it for me.

And I think I'll probably watch No Sudden Move because it's been out for many months now. Oh, yeah, that movie. I was like, what? What are you talking about? Yeah. And I'll watch the movie Haywire for the doubling alone. Nice.

Yeah. All right. James, should we do letters? Yeah, why not? Okay, let's do letters. Classic one was letters, oh, letters. We love you, some letters. They're only a take away.

I know they're here right now. We're going to do letters. Well, well, well. If it isn't letters time. You keep looking off to one side with a little twinkle in your eye. I'm like, what's he looking at? I'm looking at the window of my daughter's bedroom to see if she's, because you can see when she wakes up, she'll poke her head out.

I've got the monitor. Who knows what she's up to? Yeah, that's right. She's quite mischievous, as you've seen. She's set up a, I saw her recording sleeping noises into a tape recorder and she just leaned it against the monitor. She's playing it. She's got some real Baby Day Out vibes, that young kid.

And then she's off to a mischief. She's on the trampoline. Yeah, she's good value. I like her. Anyway, what's – well, for letters, if you do want to reach the show, hashtag WeeklyPlanetPod on Twitter. That's right. Or WeeklyPlanetPod at gmail.com.

Where you at, Mason? This is from Samuel. Hello. He says, my favorite thing about your pod. Wow. Here we go. What favorite thing? Let's see if we can hear what it is.

Hey, guys. My name is Samuel. I've been listening to your podcast for a few years now. I've tried other podcasts, but yours is the only one I've continued to listen to. Thank you. Sucked in other podcasts. Suffering your jocks, other podcasts. Suffering your jocks other podcasts. That's a editorializing for me.

I think one thing that I had about a lot of podcast YouTube channels that talk about comics, movies, et cetera, is a lot of them talk about movies that they like as if they're objectively good or movies that they dislike are objectively bad and anyone who disagrees is wrong. Sure. I reject the notion that there's anything objective about movies or art in general.

I don't agree. Completely agree with some of your guys' opinions about movies. For example, I love Zack Snyder's DC movies and I love all the Star Wars prequels, but you often reiterate that it's just your opinion. Anybody can like whatever they want. Anyway, that's my favorite thing about your podcast and I just felt like letting you know, keep up the great work.

Thank you. No, we try to do that, I guess, don't we? It doesn't matter. As we've gotten increasingly older, I feel like I think I had stronger opinions. I was like, no, that's definitely do. And also like. It doesn't matter. As we've gotten increasingly older, like I feel like. I think I had stronger opinions. I was like, no, that's definitely bad. But also I think it's, you know, I've also learned from like other people,

other podcasters, other like YouTube creators and things like that. And like, even if I don't like something, I can appreciate elements to it. And I think a lot of time we'll do maybe a caravan of garbage on a movie or something like that. and people will be like, why did you say this movie sucked? And I'm like, I thought I was quite positive. Yeah. But I didn't say it was, I didn't definitively go this movie is great

or this movie is bad. I was like I liked the vibe of it and I liked the tone and I liked the themes but I thought the plot was silly or whatever. But, you know. I think often people take, like any piece of media, take with it what you want. You get what you give. You get what you give.

You only get what you give. That's right. So, yeah, that's interesting. No, thank you. I appreciate that. That's quite a... He's also asked, have either of you watched the show Sea starring Jason Momoa on Apple TV?

I have not yet. If you haven't, I would absolutely recommend it. I started it. I watched a show that is on Netflix where he's some sort of oil baron or something. Oh, yeah, Oil Boys. Yeah, that's right. Jason Momoa's Oil Boy. Jason Momoa's Oily Boys.

Ship full of – Jason Momoa's shipload of Oily Boys. Is that what it's called? I think. He's all wearing a big fur coat and he's like, ah. I don't follow him on Instagram, but he seems very nice. I follow him on Instagram. He's always promoting his friends' businesses and stuff. he's like, ah. I don't follow him on Instagram, but he seems very nice. I follow him on Instagram.

He's always promoting his friends' businesses and stuff. It's true, yes. I mean that in a good way. I mean, in the sense of like. Yeah,

he's always shilling for his mates, mate. That's right. Must be nice. Must be nice. Must be nice. Get your Kroda free shoes. Joseph Amar.

Get out of here. When are we getting Dune? When is that coming out? Fuck, we're not. I think we're getting it late December. So I'm going to do the TV version. Yeah. Oh, that's what I meant.

When are we getting it? Yeah, we're getting it whenever NASTARs. We're getting it whenever NASTARs, yeah. But we are getting Ghostbusters early January. The new Ghostbusters, which I thought you'd be upset about. That's what I'm aiming to do here. No, I feel nothing about it. Oh, by the way, this week we're starting the amazing Spider-Man movies

of Caravan of Garbage. That's true. Are you excited for that? Yes. Good. And we've recorded them. Oh, by the way, this week we're starting the Amazing Spider-Man movies for Caravan of Garbage. That's true. Excited for that? Yes. Good. And we've recorded them. We've already recorded them. So if anybody has any fun facts about the series or some interesting details,

we can't put them in. Stick them up your ass is what Mason's saying. That's what I'm saying. Sometimes, very occasionally I will listen back to an old episode and every time I'm like, man man I should have put in more jokes oh really? like we should do a second pass you should send it to me and then I'll listen to myself

and go this dumbass doesn't know anything I put in more jokes here maybe I take out all your jokes oh my god that's why I remember them well we can do second passes I don't mind bearing in mind that would take more time we have less time to watch Jason Momoa's shitload of oily boys i guess the difference with youtube is as well they have to be tighter than this that's true yeah so it's like yeah and you know honestly

nobody has time for me to just stare at a wall for several minutes we should put that in one day yeah just like here we go mason's gonna think a joke. You put a small camera on me for several minutes and I'm just like. More like James Blonde. Yeah, nice. And you're like, every time. He waits 10 minutes and he says the same one every time. It's also, the good thing is we've got the luxury of like,

sometimes we will pause and be like, fuck, I just need to gather my thoughts. That's true. And then we'll kind of, and then we'll go again and obviously we edit that out. And they're well edited, gather my thoughts. That's true. And then we'll kind of, and then we'll go again and obviously we edit that out. And they're well edited, so that helps. That's true. I've got one here, a tweet here, hashtag weekly planet pod.

Oh, I got this tweet that I did before. I did put it in. There you go. So we already did that. This is from Dan who says, coming off last week's The Beach That Makes You Old, what's a concept for a movie that intrigues you? Do you see the CGI man I posted on Twitter?

Yeah. I think on, for people without context. Yeah, sorry. There's no spoilers, but at the end of the movie, The Beach That Makes You Old, there's a scene in a room. There's, I think, three men and the man at the back. If you go to my Twitter, it's there and there's no spoilers for what it is. Yeah, yeah, and you maintain he looks quite CGI. Yeah.

And when we watch it on your laptop, I'm like, that's pretty CGI. Yeah. But when I looked at it again on Twitter, I'm like, I don't know. I mean, because why would it be? Well, when you showed it to me initially, my first thought was, oh, maybe they needed the scene looked too empty so they had to add an extra person. It's got to look busier.

And I mean. But there's someone in front of him with hair, which means you'd have to like cut around the hair. Like it would be a very difficult insert. Yeah. I don't know. Anyway, I haven't heard it from him not yet. Because you tweeted at him.

No, I didn't. I didn't want to like harass him directly. But I hope it gets to him. Apropos of nothing. You're hoping the listeners harass him. No, don't harass him. Leave him alone. Anyway, I liked it because people were like,

were you serious that you liked it? Yes, I did like it. I thought it was great. Well, see, there we go. There's the thing. Like, you know, his dialogue is terrible, but it looks great, and what a fun time for some reason. Some reason.

You can like 90% of a movie but think it's bad or vice versa. Yeah, that's right. Anyway, coming off the Beats That Makes You Old, what's a concept for a movie that intrigued you but turned out to be pretty dumb in execution? Beats That Makes You Old? Well, like podcast, sure is gold. That's very good.

Goddess. I've just got a few here that are some of mine that I think are a good concept of movies that aren't so good. I think The Invention of Lying is an interesting concept, but it's not a good movie. No. And I think a lot of people wanted it to be a good movie, including me, because it.

You love Ricky Gervais. I love, yeah, I like, yep. You love Ricky Gervais, and you. It's off the back of The Office and Extras. And all the things he says. And it's got like Louis C.K. and whatever. And him offending people. But it's mostly just like, oh, I'm an atheist and whatever.

And it's like, yeah, we know, mate. Yeah, yeah. And it didn't really commit to the premise because, like, I think we've mentioned the world is in a world where people couldn't lie. The entire world would be completely different, like physically and socially. But I think beyond that, it's not funny enough. Oh, absolutely.

If it was funny, then I'd be like, whatever, this world is stupid. But if it's funny, who gives a shit? Sounds like you're offended. I am offended. I don't like jokes. I'm trying to, I'm the joke police. I'm here to cancel everybody, Mason. Great.

I'm here to cancel everybody's terrible opinions. Have you ever done some sort of interagency team up with the Marvel police? Maybe. Oh, that's interesting. Going into a different jurisdiction. That's right. I like the idea of that. Yeah, right.

Well, Disney are very woke, so I think they'd be on side with me, wouldn't they, Mason? I think so, yeah. In my opinion. Yeah, yeah. You'd be like, I think you should take all the jokes out of your movies because they could be offensive. And they'd be like, yep, we've done it already.

We're way ahead of you. We did it already. Also, I always think, and there are good movies in this franchise, but The Purge is an interesting concept. Yeah. It's's never i think that there's two frank grillo ones which are two and three which are more action orientated uh but the first one's like just set in a house and it's fine sure and i watched the most recent one which is the purge let's get to the border or whatever and it's just like very heavy-handed, like about, you know, border crossing and illegal immigrants and whatever. And it's just whatever, you know.

Yeah, yeah. And I just think there is the idea of a purge is like cool as a concept. Yeah. And I think other mediums like Rick and Morty has done a better The Purge, for example, than Purge. Here's another one. Go on. In time, currency is time, you work for time. Yeah, yeah, sure. Have you ever example, than Purge. Here's another one. Go on. In Time, Currency is Time, You Work for Time. Yeah, yeah, sure.

Have you ever seen that movie? I've not seen it. It's pretty crap. It's a shame. It's like Gattaca, but is it? You know what I mean? And also, this is a big one, Bright. Oh, yeah, definitely.

Well, see, that's exactly, I compared Bright to The Invention of Lion when it came out because it was like. Oh, okay, yeah. Because it's a movie in which there was like this world-changing discovery of magical inhuman beings hundreds of years ago, but the world is exactly the same somehow. Yeah, okay. It's like they didn't try.

It could have been better if society had been changed. Or if they'd just gone, we just discovered orcs the other day. Yeah. And we've integrated them into society. It took a couple of weeks, right? Do you want, just quickly, things we're doing lists this week. I love lists. This is by tasteofcinema.com from 2017.

Tastes like celluloid. Delicious. Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. Hold the mayo. Yum, yum, yum. 10 bad movies that wasted a brilliant concept. Okay. Sure, sure, sure.

Number 10, Limitless. No, I think that's exactly what it should be. Boring. That movie's so boring. Is it? Yeah. I don't mind it. It's boring.

What about this one? It's boring. And also, he's just a guy who's like, I guess maybe this is the, I think maybe the book leans more heavily on this. It's the idea of like he's got a pill that expands his mind to incredible. It makes him limitless. It makes him limitless. He can fly. And then he's just like, I'll just be to incredible. It makes him limitless. It makes him limitless. He can fly.

But then he's just like, I'll just be rich. That's all I'll do. I've got no other ideas. I'm using 100% of my brain. That's all I can do is get rich. Yeah. But then he becomes president or something, doesn't he? Maybe.

He wants to become president or something. He wants to become president or something. And then the series is limitless. Yes. Which you liked. It's funny. Yeah. I don't know if I finished the whole thing.

This guy. It is sillier. Not committing to the TV show Limitless. I liked it in the sense that it's one of those TV shows you can watch without watching a show. Like this podcast. You can listen to this, you can listen to another podcast, you can watch Limitless. That's the Holy Trinity.

Number two is Hollywood Ending, Woody Allen, 2002. Don't know what that is number three is jumper i like jumper that's probably true though the jumper the idea of that jumper universe yeah oh there we go number four invention of lying yep number five lucy yeah see there's another one where she's got unlimited powers yeah i'm gonna turn myself into a usb stick Wow. Number 2016. Hard agree here.

Number 2016. Number, sorry, from 2016, number six. Hard agree. Hard, hard agree. Batman, Superman. Yep. Agreed. Yeah.

Because, like, we got that, but what if we got something better? Like, something better than that. It's not even, like, I don't think it's awful. We've talked it to death, but, like, imagine if it was better. Again, like, as we mentioned in that first letter, we've derived a lot of enjoyment from the movie Batman v Superman. It's just not very good. And a lot of content. A lot of content.

What about the butterfly effect? Okay, sure. Sure, I guess. You see, that 70s show is coming back, but that's 90s show. That 90s show. But it's Red and Kitty in 90s with Eric and Donna's kid. So it's a sequel series. And people are like, didn't you know, like now the 90s is far away

from the 70s from the 90s or whatever, whatever, whatever. They're wrong. It was 10 years ago. It was 10 years ago. The 90s was 10 years ago. Kurt Cobain's last album was 10 years ago. That's right. Yeah.

Radiohead were flying high. I don't know Radiohead, Mason. Were they ever flying high? I don't think they've ever truly been a successful band, critically or commercially. Yeah. Radiohead were flying high. I don't know Radiohead, Mason. Were they ever flying high? I don't think they've ever truly been a successful band, critically or commercially. Wow. I've never seen them. Wow.

What about this one, Vantage Point? Don't know what that is. It's about assassinating the president and Dennis Quaid's in it or something. Nice. Gerald's Game. Gerald's Game is good. This shouldn't be on here. That's bullshit.

Which one's Gerald's Game? It's Mike Flanagan who did Midnight Mass. Have you seen Midnight Mass? Oh, no, but it's on my list. Very good. You shouldn't be on here. That's bullshit. Which one's Gerald's Game? It's Mike Flanagan who did Midnight Mass. Have you seen Midnight Mass? Oh no, but it's on my list. Very good. You should watch it. Gerald's Game is solid. Like really good. What's it about? It's about a woman. It's got I think you've mentioned it before. Yeah, she's like

tied to a bed for the entire thing. Carla Gugino is in it. Oh yeah, I've seen trailers for that. Very good. And there's a pretty graphic one scene in particular, which I won't get into because if you want to watch it. Okay. And number 10, The Happening. Yeah, everyone's killing themselves, but why?

It's the trees. Interesting premise, right? Are you saying it's the trees? Are you saying the trees are killing themselves? No, no one's saying that. Mark, Mark. Mark, listen. Mark, listen. Mark, you need to get this line.

We're filming the movie The Happening. You need to understand the premise. I'm in the movie The Happening? Yes, Mark. You're a famous actor. So there's a movie happening? No, Mark, the movie's called The Happening. Mark.

Mark. Anyway. If I may add something, I feel like I love heist movies, but not all of them stick the landing. Completely agree. I think there's a lot of where it's like, the premise is we're going to steal a bunch of gold out of a plane or whatever. And then, of course, at the end, it's like,

we already stole the gold out of the plane. There was no plane. There was no plane. The plane was a bus. It was the magic school bus. We shrunk it down. Yeah. We put it on a security guard's bum and then we opened it up in the bank vault.

Wow, really? That's actually okay, yeah. I've had this gritty rebut of the magic school bus, but they're using it for crime. Is that what the magic school bus was? No, to go inside the human body and be like, fuck. That's what I'm talking about. This is gross as, mate. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right. I got one more tweet here. Or have you got a letter? I got one more letter and be like, fuck. That's what I'm talking about. This is gross as, mate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright, I got one more tweet here, or have you got a letter? I got one more letter. Let's do it. It's from Graham. He says, Hey, James and Maso, I just saw my first weekly Planet T out in the wild. I told the guy, nice shirt, and he said, thanks. Can I get a shout out for that guy in the T? Also, can I be the official long pause

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You've got to sound silly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've got to sound silly. You've got to say that T-shirt, sir or madam, that T-shirt is pog is. Agreed. This is from Kay Lineas who says, hey, James and Mason, you guys are my best friends and I love you. Or if you could say, I love that T-shirt, just not on you.

Wow. That's rude. Yeah. You're going to get punched. Then send an email. I want to hear about it. So Caitlynia says, Hi, James and Mason, you guys are my best friends and I love you. Anyway, what do you think of parasocial relationships?

Pretty weird, right? Hashtag weekly planet point. Yeah, I don't think we have that as much as some people but i've seen some like popular streamers and like bigger youtubers yeah and when they put out more like personal information yeah yeah there is this sense of like ownership and whatever we get it more like you disagree with this thing that i love and now i hate you because we're the same, or whatever, and it's like I don't know you. I don't mean that as like an insult, but I just don't. I just don't know you. Talking about you, Mason.

I don't really know you. We've been slowly drifting apart. Anyway, what do you think of parasocial relationships? I think they're great. As you know, I'm friends with all of the listeners. You're not helping, Mason. True friends. You're creating parasocial relationships.

No, this is a parody. It's satire. It's whichever one gets me out of trouble legally. Very good. I think legally, though, that's the show. Yeah, that's right. Congratulations to everyone for getting through to us. Yeah.

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Halloween Kills. Yeah. Ooh. Hmm. What day is it? It's the 8th. What day? It's currently the 9th.

You boy, what day is it? It's currently the 9th? I think it comes out on the 15th. Should we save Halloween Kills for- Maybe the following week. The following week because it'll be Halloween. Yeah. Good point.

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