The Weekly Planet - 41 Best & Worst Planet Of The Apes Movies

Episode Date: July 7, 2014

This week we talk the new Superman suit, Star Wars, Kevin Smith being a lying jerk, Planet Hulk & Batman V Superman: Dawn oF Justice! Plus we take a wild ride though the history of the Planet Of The Apes films.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet, official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com. My name is James, editor at ComicBookMovie.com. With me as always, my co-host, Nick Mason. You bloody baboon! The best line in any Planet of the Apes series.

Absolutely. Yeah, we've peaked at this point. We can probably quit now. Did you get a promotion? Oh, everybody got a promotion. There's no junior editors or anything. They've kind of done a bit of an overhaul with the editors, and now everybody's an editor. So there's nobody below you now?

Ah, no. Well, you are, but... Oh. Ah, so I can be a junior editor now everybody's an editor. So there's nobody below you now. No. Well, you are. But. So I can be a junior editor now. That's right. I can be the copy boy. Oh, imagine. Put my little cap on. Fetching stuff.

Yep. It'd be amazing. Amazing. Should we get straight into barely the news? Yeah, absolutely. We're going to call it that from now on. Yeah. Probably the news.

Probably the news. Somebody will know. Email in and remind us what the name of this segment is called. That's right. Please do. Well, we've got to talk the new man of Steel Suit, don't we, Mason? Well, we don't have any Charlotte Booth news, so legally we're required to. No.

Though, he did go into rehab this week, which is sad, but also good that he's getting some help. Absolutely. Because he's clearly losing his mind. Correct. So, good luck, LeBouf. Yeah. We've always been on your side, and we always will be.

So, yeah, man. Man of Steel news. Okay. What do you think? There's a new costume out. There is a new costume. That's the thing, yeah. They released a Clark Kent-ish looking one.

Well, it was Clark Kent earlier this week. Uh-huh. Without glasses. Just kind of like an old-fashioned kind of... Just Clark Kent-ing around? Yeah. It looked like a kind of a 1940s kind of without glasses just kind of like an old fashioned kind of Just Clark Kenting around? Yeah, it looked like a kind of a 1940s kind of journalist-y

kind of So Christopher Reeve? Yeah, probably even more so Is he wearing a waistcoat? Like more of a woolen kind of coat You know, like they kind of wore

How did I miss this one? Is it because I don't pay attention to the comic book news at all? And I wait for you to tell me all the news? Is that the reason that I didn't see this? I can show you.

Please do. Okay. He's got no glasses in it, though, so I know you'll hate that. Your iPad still has the tappy-tap noise in it. Oh, so I've got to take that thing off. Sorry. It's just you and my dad whose iDevices still make the tappy-tap noise. We've got a Facebook group.

Great. Here we go. I'll show you. Okay. That's come out like shit. This is a really bad version of it, but there you go. Okay. Oh, yeah, okay.

He's kind of like a journalist slash aviator kind of thing. Okay, interesting. Because I know you've got thoughts on clothing and texture and fabric. I do. He's wearing... Where's the t-shirt from? I don't know. It's got a Serco logo on it.

Don't care for that. What's a Serco? It's a security firm that own private prisons. Oh, really? Let's edit this out. I thought it'd be something fun because it sounds fun. It's not.

They're contributing to the military-industrial complex around the world. Well... Henry Cavill, you jerk. But yeah, the Superman suit, though, more importantly, I guess.

Maybe it's my really, really old eyes, but I don't see that much of a difference between... You're right, though. There's not that much of a difference. I did a video on it on my YouTube channel slash Sunday fun times. That's the one. Yeah.

But yeah, there's some slight differences in the lines around the kind of the torso and the wrists. The colouring's a little different. It's lighter probably. Are they aiming... Because I think they'll probably need to... There's going to need to be more contrast between the Batsuit and the Superman suit.

And since the Man of Steel costume was quite dark, they're going to lighten that baby up. That's it. Probably. Big time. I don't think there'll be a logo on the back again, because they don't do that. They didn't do that for Superman Returns either, did they? Who's to say, really? They had logos everywhere else, though.

He had them on the back of his heels. Back of his heels, in the little S. On the belt. Yep. Everywhere. So many S's. had them on the back of his heels. Back of his heels, in the little S. On the belt. Yep. Everywhere. So many S's. Shaved into the back of his head. Yep.

Vanilla ice style. That's it. He looks bigger as well. Even bigger than he was. Yeah, I don't know whether that's... I'm imagining it. They would have had to add, like, extra struts under his armpits. Yeah.

And then arrange more muscle around him. Because he was... Yeah. To barrel that man in a good way. Ridiculous. Yeah, yeah. Did you say in a good way? In a good way, yeah. Well, yeah, you're right.

You're right. I guess they're both kind of going for that hulking kind of superhero kind of thing because a lot of people complain that people aren't as big as they look in the comics. Right. I've heard that complaint about Magneto. Like, why isn't Magneto a giant muscular man like he is in the comics?

Yeah. Because it would look ridiculous. And also it's Ian McKellen. And it's Ian McKellen, exactly. He's 70-something or whatever. Yeah, yeah. that complain about Magneto like why isn't Magneto a giant muscular man like he is in the comics? Yeah. Because it would look ridiculous. And also it's Ian McKellen. And it's Ian McKellen exactly. He's 70 something

or whatever. Yeah yeah. Fassbender looks alright. Yeah yeah. He probably does Pilates. Yeah.

I don't know. Probably. It's one of those whiz bang Hollywood Hollywood fads sweeping the nation. That's it. Yeah.

And it looks like it's set in Gotham as well. Yes. Okay. So there'll be some crossover there and there's This time Gotham as well. Yes, okay. So there'll be some crossover there.

This time Gotham's getting leveled completely. Yeah, there was a lot of people have photoshopped it as well. There's like one of Superman comforting sad Batman. That's pretty great. I've seen that one. Yeah, a few people have sent us that, so we appreciate that. So yeah, look, I think it's a step in the same direction. Pretty much. I mean, there's very little...

Like the Batsuit, there's a lot you can do they can tweak it so you can move the neck and they can put in heaps of more gadgets and whatever but Superman doesn't have any gadgets

to work with it's pretty much like slight design choices and whatever and colourings and that's it but check out my video Mason and I talk about

the history of the suit but you probably know it so don't worry about it sounds like a waste that's it did you talk about his hair it's slicked back oh I did. Yeah, it's a lot of photo. It seems like a waste. That's it. Did you talk about his hair? It's slicked back. Oh, I did.

Sorry, yeah. It's like the Kingdom Come kind of hair. It is like the Kingdom Come. That could be the rain, though. Could be. Because it's raining. Yeah, yeah. But, and I think that's a very...

It's a design choice. It's a design choice. It's deliberate, yeah. It's deliberate. I couldn't think of the word for deliberate. There you go. Well. We've all learned something.

We sure have. So, yeah, yeah. Thumbs up? Thumbs yeah. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. Way up. Look forward to it in two years' time. Oh, thumbs down again.

Boo. God. I think we've nearly hit the two-year mark. Great. Oh, we may have already. I can't. No, it's May. I think we're past it.

So, two years. So, down. It's less than two years now. Less than two years. Ah, so good. If one of us were to die between now and then who would it be ah well i had a lot of bad food and you're always like threatening big people like on the street like real angry like twitchy guys so i don't know it's a bit of history isn't it though we'll see

roll the dice yeah yeah well there's some more uh batman v superman dawn of justice news makes good is it now did they change it from versus to Dawn of Justice news makes sense great it's good is it now did they change it from versus to V or has it always been V apparently it's to um

Zack Snyder said it to distinguish it from a straight versus movie right like it implies other things going on or whatever

could have replaced the versus with an and then could be yeah sure or a heart well they did that's what they did in the hugging one

the hugging photoshop thing yeah yeah yeah Superman for Batman forever I'd like that Well, that's what they did in the hugging one, the hugging Photoshop thing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Superman for Batman forever. I'd like that. That'd be nice. But you know how there's been a lot of script reveals for this over the past six months or so? It's been said that Warner Brothers have deliberately leaked a script or a treatment that was written by Kevin Smith at Kevin Smith's request

to like red herring the whole thing. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. So has that entire script been leaked? Yes, but like Warner Brothers keep pulling it down from websites and whatever. So look, people throw out red herrings before. It happens all the time.

I don't think I've ever heard it for a whole treatment, though, before. But if you're going to do it on a movie, I guess this would be the one to do it on. True. Where did Kevin Smith... So he wrote this whole thing as a lark. Well, the story... I think it's just a treatment. But I think the story was Zack Snyder showed Kevin Smith the outline or whatever.

And Kevin Smith said, listen, I'll write a slightly different version of this and we'll leak it on purpose and then whatever. What I think might be interesting here is what if when it's finally released in the next hundred years, when it finally comes out, what if the treatment that Kevin Smith wrote is more entertaining than the movie we get?

Okay, yeah, yeah. That's a danger, right? Sure. Well, his version of the Superman Lives is fairly entertaining. It is, isn't it? Yeah. It's much better than Superman Returns. Yeah.

Just FYI. Big time. But yeah, look, I like Kevin Smith. Giant Spider. Giant Spider. Yeah, yeah. Well, at least we got the Giant Spider in the end. Yeah, true.

Eight-legged freaks. You seen it? Nah. It's not good. Not great. Nah. Nah, it's exactly what you think it is. Fantastic.

I've said this before. I like Kevin Smith, but to me, he's more of a fan who observes things than I don't want him directly involved in this stuff. I think in the 90s, maybe, because he did have some fresh ideas then for comic books and everything. But I think you've got a lot of better writers than that coming up from that point. Nothing against him, but I think he's way too close to DC and he loves them too much right that he's crippled by his fandom that makes that probably yeah and that and that i know that sounds like i'm having a go at him and i am

yeah but i like him i do like him but i'd rather not be i would like i wouldn't i would be happy for him to take a pass at the script and like put in some jokes or whatever sure yeah yeah punch up the dialogue a bit or something like that i like his movies some jokes or whatever sure yeah yeah punch up the dialogue a bit or something like that i like his movies i haven't seen the red state yeah i've heard that's good yeah uh but i would not want him to write the script as a whole no like i don't want him to plot it no yeah i even like you read batman cacophony yeah boy did i yeah yeah if he even even scenes he could write individual scenes like know, scenes in the press pool or whatever. That'd be fun.

But the whole plot, no. No, thank you. Do you want a Daredevil-style cameo from Kevin Smith like in the movie Daredevil? Yeah. He was alright in that. Yeah. Do you remember that? Yeah, he was like, check this out.

I'm excited by things. Dude. Dude. Yeah. He's a 90s guy, isn't he? Absolutely. So 90s. Good for him.

More Kevin Smith. I saw a guy was walking down the street and I saw a guy who was dressed exactly like Silent Bob. Intentional? I don't know. It's tough to say. Yeah. Because there are a lot of Silent Bob types out there.

There are, aren't there? Shout out to any Silent Bob types listening. Hello. Email us with just an empty email. Yeah. Be silent. Kevin Smith also, in more Kevin Smith news. Great.

He visited the set of Star Wars oh and he talked about it for 10 minutes yeah I didn't watch it all I kind of read the excerpts from it but he said it's very very tactile and very real

and real sets and explosions and he went inside the Millennium Falcon and he posted this picture of himself to Instagram where he's crying

huh from his fandom so much this is what I'm talking about with the fandom this is what I'm talking about he's too close to everything he's crying huh from his fandom so much this is what i'm talking about with the fandom this is what i'm talking about he's too close he's way too close to everything yeah again like him but he's like to me he's a super fan about this stuff more than yeah yeah so yeah yeah i mean that that that bores well but what would it take for you to cry over a star wars film nothing there is like nothing no but you're on set and it's being filmed. What if,

what if like... If Harrison Ford gave me his vest and said, here you go, kid, you're up. And then you put it on and then like a little kid dressed as C-3PO

punched you in the nuts. That would do it, right? I'm not even saying to be in the movie. Just give me your vest, old man. Yeah, nice. Or your bash.

Nah, nothing. There's nothing. You? No, absolutely not. Yeah, yeah. Well, Kevin Smith, he, nothing. There's nothing. You? No, absolutely not. Yeah, yeah. Well, Kevin Smith, he's... I know he likes the prequels as well. From the perspective of George Lucas made the exact movies that he wanted to make.

And I cannot argue with that because he did. Yeah. He barreled through that criticism and hate to make what he wanted. But then, yeah, he said that these ones are looking really good and really on track. So, great. Whatever. 2015, Mason. Are you going to see those day of like opening day yeah definitely yeah yeah all right yeah you i kind of i'm sure i will yeah but you know the the the part of me that's like holding holding out which will you know that i'll immediately fold yeah Yeah. The one part of me says, I'm not going to see these films until I see multiple reviews

from really cynical sources that say, this is a return to form in a way that the prequels weren't. Kevin Smith. Kevin Smith. Oh, he got me again. Too close to the fandom. Yeah, I'll probably see him opening day. Yeah, yeah, cool, cool.

I'm not an idiot. No. But in many ways, I am an idiot. them opening day. Yeah, yeah, cool, cool. I'm not an idiot. No. But in many ways, I am an idiot. That's right. So, yeah, there you go. Some slightly more Star Wars new Mason. Okay. News Mason.

Yep. They had 67,000 applicants applied for some Star Wars roles, two roles in particular. And so, two people were chosen. Was it us? No. We're unknown actors. I know. I mean, we don't act.

No. But we unknown actors. I know. I mean, we don't act. No. But we are unknown. Yeah. Maybe it's unknown to ourselves that we're actors. Tell you what, we'll pause here. We'll just keep refreshing our email and just see if it's us. Yeah. Okay, who is it really?

Well, the names aren't important. I didn't even write them down. Great. But I'm sure they'll become household names soon. But one of them is a parkour expert. Oh. Is that why they got chosen? I think so. It become household names soon. But one of them is a parkour expert. Oh. Is that why they got chosen? I think so.

It's better not be. It wasn't said, but why would you choose a parkour guy? Unless he's like, I don't know, an amazing actor somehow as well. Yeah. Which doesn't exist. Correct. But I've got here, I know I don't like to pre-plan any jokes, but Hey Abrams, 2006 called, they want their bloody parkour sequence back in a movie for no reason.

Fantastic. That's pretty solid work. Yeah. I wish I didn't pre-plan it. I wish I had just thought of that. Yeah, yeah. Because when I thought of it, I went, I'll say that. But then when you repeat it, not as good.

Is the other actor like real good on rollerblades or something? Real good at street hockey? Street hockey, definitely, yeah. So look, I hope there's not a parkour sequence, but it sounds like there's going to be a parkour sequence. Why even? What? I don't know.

How are they going to... Because Jedi can always leap. Yeah. I guess maybe if he's non-powered, like if he's not a Jedi, maybe it would be impressive. But even if he is... You can parkour through... Say he even is a Jedi, though, right?

Yes. It's better to see a guy actually do flips and somersaults than do CGI flips and somersaults. Correct, that is true. So from that perspective, if it's just like an extended parkour chase sequence, don't need it. Don't want it, don't need it. Bond was good though. Pretty good, right? Yeah, solid.

Alright. Mason. Yes? Planet Hulk is alluded at, apparently, in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie, because it's got the inclusion of the Sakurans. Oh, yep. Okay. Which are from the planet Sakuran.

Yep. I don't know. Whatever it's from. Where Planet Hulk takes place. Uh-huh, yeah. And it's also rumoured that Avengers 2 leads into a Planet Hulk, and there's going to be a Guardians of the Galaxy slash Planet Hulk movie kind of wedged together. Interesting. Okay. This is all rumours. Right, right, right. The Sakurans, or whatever they're called, are definitely in Guardians of the Galaxy slash Planet Hulk movie kind of like wedged together. Interesting.

Okay. This is all rumors. Right, right, right. The Saka-Rans or whatever they're called are definitely in Guardians of the Galaxy. So that's confirmed. But the Avengers thing, not so much. I think if you're going to do a Hulk solo movie, that's how you do it. You team him up with another space crew.

Because presumably this Guardians of the Galaxy will be really successful. Yeah, yeah. They don't want to bank on just another Hulk solo movie again. Right. Even though he worked well in the Avengers. So why not team him up with like space Avengers? Yeah, yeah. They don't want to bank on just another Hulk solo movie again. Right. Even though he worked well in the Avengers. So why not team him up with like Space Avengers? Yeah, yeah. Or not.

Maybe. Okay. What do you think? Maybe. There's got to be like a plucky team of... No, actually that's the Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, team him up. That's fine.

Sure. All right. Do you care for the Planet Hulk movie if it happens or not? I would like to see that, yeah. Me too. I want to see more Bruce Banner if they do it. Because it's just Hulk. Yeah, he's pretty much never Bruce Banner in the Planet Hulk story.

Yeah, I don't think he is at all. Yeah, yeah. From memory. But yeah, but sure, I want to see some rough work. We would... I kind of feel if it's a Planet Hulk film, they're going to have to make him more intelligent at some point. Yes.

Because he's going to have to start talking. Yeah. Because point. Yes. Because he's going to have to start talking. He speaks once. Because he leads a rebellion and whatever. Yeah, exactly. Agreed. Got to find that level. Yeah. He's got some form of intelligence that's shown in the Avengers. Sort of. I mean, he knows who to lash out at. Yeah, correct.

That's true. Yeah. Because that's all you need. Yeah. There you go, Mason. That's the news for this week. That's rarely sometimes the news. What's the news? What's the news, Mr. Wolf? Yeah. Yeah, that's what we're calling it. There we go.

Cool. Now, Mason, we finally did our X-Men First Class commentary earlier this week, didn't we? Yeah. Some people have already downloaded it. We really appreciate that. Thank you. I didn't put it on Twitter.

I'm presuming you didn't put it on Twitter or anything. What's Twitter? Don't worry about it. Okay, cool. Thanksightful, thank you. I didn't put it on Twitter. I'm presuming you didn't put it on Twitter or anything. What's Twitter? Don't worry about it. Okay, cool, thanks. You missed the boat. So yeah, if you go to theweeklyplanet.bandcamp.com, it's right there. Commentary on X-Men First Class. Absolutely.

There's a syncing up issue about half an hour before it ends because my laptop died. So I didn't plug it in because I'm an idiot. You mean our recording studio. Sorry, yeah. Our recording studio caught fire. We bravely got everyone out and we put out the fire ourselves. Producer was killed.

Yeah, but you know, it's good. It's fine. We didn't need you anyway, Quincy Jones. So yeah. That is my most contemporary producer reference. It's what I went to. Could have gone with Kanye West. Nah, forget it.

If you want to check it out, please do. Even if you want to, you can download it for free, rip it for free, play it for free, but I think it's the minimum for downloading it is a dollar, but

there's ways around it if you want to. We don't care if you get it for free. But if you want to contribute to the show, it helps basically, it just pays for this show.

Pays for our studio time, pays for Quincy Jones' funeral. All of that. So yeah, if you want to contribute, do. If not, don't. It's absolutely fine. We appreciate it regardless of everybody who listens.

Even if you hate us. Especially if you do. You'd really have to be fighting your way through to get to two hours watching a film with us just yammering over the top. That's it. Really appreciate that. We do.

Haters, thanks for listening. So, Mason. Yes. This week. Yes. The release of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes is happening. I'm seeing it on Wednesday morning, which I think is Tuesday in the US or whatever. Yeah.

So, I'll try and get a review up Wednesday or Tuesday night for if you're in the Northern Hemisphere. Yet another review that people don't believe for a movie people believe you haven't seen that's right so yeah I'm excited for it because what a heritage the Planet of the Apes franchise has had, do you agree?

I'm making that hand wavy motion where I'm like meh well let's go through them but not really. Yeah, just the biggies. Just the big ones. Well, I thought you've got your three eras.

You've got the original. Yep. You've got your Tim Burton reboot. Correct. And you've got your re-reboot from 2011. We'll talk a bit about the sequels and the TV shows. Reboot. And whatnot.

But we'll hit on those three major eras of Planet of the Apes. Uh-huh. Because they're the ones that people remember. Yeah. Not so much the Tim Burton one. But... Okay. To remember, I mean.

Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. I think remember doesn't matter. We'll talk about it, Mason. People remember different things. Different people remember different things. That's what life's all about. Now, so we're obviously going to give them best or worst movie ever. Okay.

You cool with that? Yes. Absolutely. So, yeah. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it

before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Planet of the Apes, 1968. Oh, heady times. Old Chuck Heston. Yeah. Charlie Heston. Charlie Hesty.

I've just got here. It's pretty weird, isn't it? It's very odd, yeah. Exactly. Can I ask you a question? Do you want to go through the story? I've just got here. It's pretty weird, isn't it? It's very odd. Yeah. Exactly. Can I ask you a question? I'll go. Well, Planet of the Apes has a twist ending. It's probably the most...

Oh, spoilers, by the way. Yeah. There's so many. Yeah. If you haven't seen... Look, at this point, if you haven't seen Planet of the Apes and you don't know the... You know the twist anyway because... You've seen The Simpsons.

You've seen that episode of The Simpsons with the musical. You've seen... Like, everything about movies has made a reference to that. Like, there's so many homages in other media that there's no way to avoid it. No. My question to you is, did you see that film before you knew about the twist? Or did you know the twist? I'm pretty sure I knew the twist going in.

Okay, right. Well, I saw it when I was like 12 maybe okay like on a midday yeah midday movie or whatever

sure and I'm I didn't I hadn't heard there was a twist but I didn't really think there was a twist like

like I know what happens like it happens at the end he sees the Statue of Liberty and he breaks down in tears

and I thought wow yeah he's yelling he's yelling we down in tears. And I thought... Wow. Yeah. He's yelling. He's yelling. We'll get to that. But I thought maybe I'd missed some other significance to do with the Statue of Liberty because the whole way through the film, I'm like, yeah, he's in the future.

Yep. Because he says he's in the future. Yeah. Should we break down the story for those who haven't seen it? Let's break down the story. Yeah. Okay, cool. So basically, three astronauts arrive on what they think is a far distant planet.

Four. I'm sorry. Three and a dead lady. Three and a dead lady arrive. Who is, as I understand it, not credited in the film. Really? She doesn't get like... Not even dead lady?

Yeah, not as dead lady, nothing. She's just... Like, you can find out who it is if you go to Wikipedia or whatever, but she's not in the credits of the film. Oh, wow, there you go. So basically, they arrive on this future planet in the hopes of recolonizing and exploring, and there's something like... It turns out that it's only 2,000 years in the future, so I don't know how all this

has happened or how they went through time and space and then managed to get turned around and come back to Earth. Because they think they're at this other star system. Right. And so they question it, and they assume it's a barren, dead planet. They eventually find signs of life in primitive humans, and they think, sweet, we're going to run this place. Yeah, yeah.

We'll do all these women we can bang, which is a running theme in this movie. It is a bit. I've bedded so many women. So many. Oh. That's Charlton Heston again. That's it. And that's what they brought the woman on the spaceship for.

They were like, we're going to restart the Earth. Three guys and this girl. Yeah, yeah. So we're just going to... I don't know how that even works. Right. Not important, I guess. No.

But it's kind of important. Yeah. All women. That's it. Probably with a K there. And anyway, so it turns out that that planet is ruled by apes. So they're captured. Two of them are taken out for whatever reasons.

Chuck Heston gets his voice box damaged. They think he's just a primitive human, but it turns out they're all surprised when he begins to talk and they realise that... And they sing. Oh, I'm thinking of something else. And that he's this intelligent human being, which the kind of, the upper class

kind of society don't believe to exist and you've got your kind of, your doctors and scientists. Upper class and weirdly religious. Yeah, and weirdly religious, Yeah. Even though actually they know humans are intelligent, or they can be, but they know them to be dangerous. So they kind of suppress all that.

And he's asked to prove that he's intelligent and escape and get away. And then he finds out that it's actually Earth and he has a weird breakdown. He sure does. So, yeah. I mean, it's pretty great. Is it? Because I went through the film going, oh, of course, he's in the future of Earth.

Yeah. Why else would there be apes and humans? Apes and humans, but also all the apes speak English and read and write in English. Like, he writes to them. And it's not like, you know, they have a sequence of symbols to represent their writing. Yeah.

And then he figures that out and then he can communicate that way. Yeah. And they go, oh, he understands language. They're like, where did you learn that? And he's like, I went to the University of blah, blah, blah. And they're like, oh, University of, right. He just writes.

He's writing in English. And then they find the find the doll yep that can talk yep in english where'd that come from we're not another star system we're on earth obviously you make a really valid point and then at the end i'm like oh maybe maybe he took his family to statue of liberty and it's just come back to him and now he'd like maybe i missed that scene so you overthought it yeah that's what happens here. But I think that's from a time when you couldn't put all that stuff in. Like if you release this movie now,

people will be like, not like you just said then. I just let all that pass because it's from 1968. But there are clearly holes in this movie. Also, and I think this is probably the biggest hole in the movie,

is that he does have that breakdown at the end. Yeah. But at the start, he's just in the spaceship just smoking a cigar like hey 700 years have passed since you know blah blah blah who cares who cares like clearly men who are prepared to leave earth forever like leave everyone they know and all the society. They know that hundreds... In the event that they do come back,

all of society is going to change. They may not even be able to understand those people. You don't have that much of an attraction to Earth. You'd just be like, huh, that's a thing. I guess that happened, yeah.

Also, I wrote this down because I re-watched a little snippet of it at one point charlton heston says to one of his one of his men he goes he's talking about the time dilation and the blah blah blah and he's like time has wiped out everything you ever knew and the other guy's a little bit incredulous and he's like prove it you're an act you got how did you get here like were you tricked onto the spaceship? Surely they would have briefed you about what was going to happen before you became this...

Just look at the clock on the spaceship. Just look at the spaceship clock. Exactly. Like, did he think they were just going to go for a jaunt and they got in and they took off? And he's like, actually, we're going to be thousands of years that way. Everyone he knows is going to be dead by the time we come back. Like, why is he surprised? Good point.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, it's fun and dumb, though. It is. It's very fun and dumb. I wouldn't even know if... I wouldn't even say... I couldn't really

wholeheartedly recommend it because it's so weird and so dated. Right. You've really got to have a love for that kind of thing to appreciate it. Yeah.

Otherwise, you'd just be like, this is ridiculous. And it is. And also, we've talked about this before, I'm sure. It's from that kind of thing to appreciate it. Otherwise, you'd just be like, this is ridiculous. And it is. And also, we've talked about this before, I'm sure. It's from that era of acting where there is no acting. It's just men shouting at each other, being stern. What you do, if you want to get lauded for your acting, if you want people to say what amazing acting you had,

you stay stoic for a long time and you just talk casually and then at some point you just explode and you start yelling about how things are unfair and how everything's ruined. And then people are like, such great acting.

I know, right? So good. I put Charlton Heston in the same category as like John Wayne, right? Yeah. Where good screen presences, they're not actors.

They're just being themselves. They're just saying lines and yelling and being stoic. Sometimes they're drunk. They're kind of 55 for 40 years. That's true. I have no idea how old these people are. It's bizarre, isn't it? Yeah.

They could be in their 40s. They could be 32. Yeah. But they don't look that. No, they don't. He, isn't it? Yeah. Like, they could be in their 40s, they could be 32. Yeah. But they don't look that. No, they don't. He looks real weathered. Yeah. Look, I gotta say, though, I still find that bit quite, like, there are some good stuff,

there's some good ideas in this movie, right? I love the bit where the apes turn up. Even though I know it's coming, it's quite startling when you first see the ape makeup. Because the ape makeup, would you say, it holds up for what it is. Yeah, it definitely holds up definitely there's some movement i was gonna say there is some movement they don't really look like they're taught like no they don't look like they're talking no but like you get the gist it's good enough the stat if you look at it sort of instills and stuff like that if you just look at them in action sequences it does look quite good yep absolutely 1968 yeah absolutely they they said at the time they put out like a press release said,

we spent a million dollars on the makeup. It was like a $5 million movie. Turns out it was a little bit less than that, but a million dollars sounds better than $800,000. The budget obviously decreases on the following movies. But yeah, also I read things like some of the actors in the ape makeup, like they went to the zoo and they studied apes and their movements or whatever.

Maybe it's just me, but I didn't see any of that. They just look like people talking who have ape masks on. Yeah, in fact, there's like a lot of sequences where Charlton Heston is like running around on rocky outcroppings or whatever and he'll leap across like a crevasse or whatever. And then some of the apes will jump past, and I'm like, Charlton Heston looked more monkey-like in that leap.

He had quite an elegant leap. Because he's pretty rangy. Yeah, like a rangy animalistic kind of leap, and the other just sort of clambered over. No, not at all. Yeah, you're right. But maybe they've evolved to the point where they're more human-like. I don't know. I still don't understand how monkeys can evolve for 2,000 years back to talking or to talking.

But I guess it's implied nuclear war. Maybe that's how they do it. It's not really made clear. I've got to say, though, the world that they built is quite interesting. It looks lived in. It looks real. Some of the inside sets, not so much. But it looks like the smooth stone

kind of buildings and the jungle and the beach or whatever they're all real locations a lot of it and it looks pretty good yeah

action sequences not so much well it's the 60s yeah but I mean it was you know the pre again

pre-Matrix action sequences very pre but like where you know it'll be a shot of Charlton Heston like just a one shot of him and he's firing a rifle then it'll cut to a gorilla and he's clutching his chest because he's been shot and then it cuts to another gorilla and he's firing a rifle and it cuts to

one shot of charlton heston he's dodging a bullet or whatever like you have no idea what's going on yeah yeah and there's a lot of there's a lot of anti-climactic action yes we're like charlton heston will be like, oh, you're bloody, you know, the classic, you're bloody baboon. And then he runs. He'll run to a... And instead of there being some sort of explosive fight sequence, like two guys will just grab his arms.

They'll throw a net on him. They'll throw a net on him. Yeah, exactly. That's my favourite line. You cut out his brain, you bloody baboon. You bloody baboon, yeah. Brilliant. Yeah, yeah.

So good. So that's your favourite at even more so than Get Your Stinking Pills Off Absolutely because it's so funny because he does like a little run at him yep

okay yeah it's so good okay good point if you haven't watched it people listening there's a clip of that in my All About Planet of the Apes video

so if you want a breakdown of that like visually yeah watch it before the estate of Charlton Heston takes it down yeah what is he dead?

yeah he is okay great yeah yeah throw him on the estate of Charlton Heston takes it down yeah what is he dead? yeah he is okay great yeah yeah throw him on the pile with Buzz Aldrin he's not dead no he's very much alive so yeah I've got

hilarious moments the cut out the brain bit love it the Heston just acting his ass off the whole way through as best he can just like

I love it you can tell he's like smoking cigars on the spaceship he's like he's smoking cigars on the spaceship. He's not fit at all. See, I don't know, but I think he's normal man fit. He looks like he's played some tennis. That's what it looks like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're right. He's normal man fit. You're right. He's not those guys in Twilight, those werewolves in Twilight fit. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. And the sexism is is pretty hilarious but

yeah i mean it touched on some issues that you know you couldn't really properly make a movie about at the time like you've got your um you know slavery although not that there weren't movies about these but like religious dogma clashing with you know scientific advancement yeah and you know evolution and all these other things kind of yeah a nuclear war like yeah it touches on a lot of themes like like a blunt axe but it but it does so it's to be commended for that i mean there are you know the the like dr zaius is like the the sort of the main villain character he's quite he's quite willfully ignorant over like charles hesson's intelligence like charles like he's like what's the number one creed

of the ape people? And Charlton Heston's like, I don't know your culture. What are you... Ask me to do anything else. Look, we're having a conversation. And then Zaius is like, he clearly is an animal.

He doesn't know anything. I'm right here. I'm right here. I'm talking to you. I'm trying to get a bloody monkey university or whatever. You prick. Yeah. But, yeah. You prick. Yeah.

But yeah, I don't know. I have to say best movie ever because I can't not. It took leaps and bounds in some directions. I don't know what directions. Oh, sure. But I really enjoy it. I'm going to go with worst movie ever because there was too much pleather in it, I found. There was a lot of pleather in it.

A lot of brown pleather. I didn't like it. Did you like the bit where Charlton Heston was in the net hanging upside down of pleather brown pleather yeah yeah did you like the bit where charlton heston was in the net hanging upside down that was pretty good did you like the bit where i like the bit with all the all the um all the astronauts were nude for no reason just hanging out nude that was pretty good yeah worst movie ever yeah yeah some iconic lines some iconic moments correct well before we get onto the timber like collectively how many iconic moments okay you've Well, before we get onto the Timber. How many, like collectively, how many iconic moments? Okay, you've got the statue of Liberty.

Like three minutes worth. Yep. You've got the... I'm going to say three minutes. Okay, fair enough. I love the bit where the guy puts the little American flag out. Yep. And Charlton Heston has that big, booming, dubbed laugh.

Right, right. And it's clearly dubbed. Because his mouth like... It's insane. It's insane. Yeah, okay. He is insane in the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's pretty great. Okay, good. Good old Chuck Heston. Good old Chuckie H. Good old gun control Chuck Heston. So, yeah, well, there was no Planet of the Apes movie in 1969, Mason, because they were prepping for the sequels to come in 1970, 71, 72, and 73. Wow.

So, have you seen any of these? I think that I saw... I think when I was a kid, there was a run of like midday movies, which are generally quite cheap or low, low budget, low quality films. Sure. And I think it was Planet of the Apes and then all the sequels. But the only one that's made any impact is the first one. I don't, I mean. Beneath the, oh, the very first Planet of the Apes.

Not the sequels. Fair enough. Yeah. Okay. So hit me with sure well I've only seen bits of these because I'm just like

I'm not watching all of these right though people there are people who are big fans of them and some are better than others none of them I think measure up to

the first one in terms of sheer insanity does the sequel feature a guy who's clearly supposed to be Charlton Heston no no

so what basically happens it's called Beneath the Planet of the Apes and a guy crash was clearly supposed to be Charlton Heston no no so what basically happens it's called Beneath the Planet of the Apes and a guy crash lands on his own on the same planet at the same time looking for Charlton Heston

oh I see how did that happen twice I do not know and they and they knew on that spaceship they're like we're sending you

into the future we'll never see you again but yet they send a guy after him like what happened to him you fucking shot him into the future that's what happened to him yeah so anyway this guy into the future. That's what happened to him.

Yeah. So anyway, this guy turns up who looks exactly like Charlton Heston and he runs into Charlton Heston at one point because he is looking for them. Charlton Heston agreed to do it

as long as he had minimal screen time and he wanted to die. Oh, and he dies at the end. Yeah, well at the very start he goes missing in the Forbidden Zone and then it's the girl from the planet of the apes I can't

remember her name her name's Nova Nova sorry yeah I think actress's name is Linda something who cares irrelevant I'll look it up banging the producer

at the time though that makes sense so yeah that was a that was a big Hollywood moment Linda Harrison that's the one sorry yeah she's also in the 2001 version so

basically there's these humans living underground who have been who worship a nuclear weapon and they've been all scarred. Oh, I do remember that. Yes, okay.

They've been all deformed, like melted from the radiation. So they've got fake rubber faces that they pull off and they worship this bomb and they're like telepathic and they can get into your mind and be like... Okay, I do remember this one. Yes, okay. You know, like that 1970s sound effect. And maybe just like a zoom in on their face. Yeah, in and out. What happens?

Pew! In and out, in and out. And then maybe you'll just, it'll cut to Charlton Heston like clutching his head. And the camera shakes a bit and he's like, rawr, my mind!

Yeah. That's exactly it. Yeah. So basically the apes come up against the telepathic humans. Uh-huh. A battle for the ages. Indeed. A classic draw the ages. Indeed.

A classic draw card. And it ends with Charlton Heston. Charlton Heston demanded this to be part of it or suggested it and ended up coming through. That he detonated the nuclear weapon after the guy... I can't remember the other... That's the other... Charlton Heston 2 gets shot. Sure, yeah.

I don't know what his name is. And then Charlton Heston 1 detonates a nuclear bomb, explodes the planet. Great. And that's the end. Yeah. And the idea was behind it, Charlton Heston said, I want to make sure

there's no more sequels to this. So I'm going to kill myself and everybody else. Yeah, great. So, yeah. That's basically how it ends. Literally, what he has forgotten

is that in science fiction, especially poor quality, low budget science fiction, you can do anything you want. That's right. Ain't no Charlton Heston can stop you from making a dumb sequel. What was I going to say? No, sorry. This budget was...

The budget for the first was like five million. This one was three. And it's clearly evident in a lot of the times where you'll see the apes in the background just have like rubber masks. Right, right. Because in the first one, they made up like everybody like properly but um that this that was in the day where you instead of throwing more money to sequel what they do now they just like do the same thing but with less money right because we know this isn't going to make us not much money and they didn't it's the law they diminish every

every time that's that's how the super. Yeah. Like, four is a lot cheaper looking than... Yeah, exactly. There's no budget in that movie, as far as I'm aware. Is that right? Yeah, it was a zero-budget film.

Yeah. Still better than three. I don't care what anyone says. No, you're fine. So, yeah, look, I guess we'll rate these at the end. Okay.

Or collectively. Yeah, sure. The next one was Escape from the Planet of the Apes, where, do you remember the two scientists who helped him out? Cornelius. And the other one was Escape from the Planet of the Apes where do you remember the two scientists who helped him out Cornelius

and the other one yeah yes can't remember doesn't matter we've got some big fans of these who listen to the show so sorry if we're not

getting every I'm not sorry at all I hope you're filled with rage and send us angry emails so off screen during the events of Beneath the Planet of the Apes they managed to acquire

the spaceship that I can't remember that Charlton Heston one or two arrived on I can't remember maybe itath the Planet of the Apes. They managed to acquire the spaceship that I can't remember, that Charlton Heston 1 or 2 arrived on. I can't remember. Maybe it's a combination of the two. Sure. They fashioned it together and they jettisoned back to like 1970s Earth. So they arrive and the movie starts with they land and they take off the helmets and it's their monkeys. In complete defiance of any kind of physics or time travel.

Because it's been bulletproof up until this point. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. But I mean, if it's time dilation, like, that's not going to work. Doesn't work. Doesn't work at all, right? But I guess if there's like a time hole. They said the nuclear blast of the Earth exploding did it somehow.

Oh, okay, well that makes sense then. Now you get it. So it is the time hole theory. It's the time hole. They just went into it. Right up a time hole. Right up there. Okay, great.

Shooting up a time hole. Great. So, and then they're celebrities, basically, because they're like, oh my God, you're talking apes and whatever. And it kind of, it's a bit like a reversal of the first one. Oh, yeah. But they're media darlings at first, and then they get turned on because they find that apes eventually take over and the fate of the planet and blah, blah, blah.

So they eventually have a baby, which they swap. Probably could have kept that detail quiet that, hey, eventually we take over and we kill you all. Kill and enslave you all. Could have. There's no way for 1970s Earth to know that. That's it. Exactly.

Just shut your mouths. Just shut your damn dirty ape mouths. So it ends with. They have a kid. They have a kid and they swap it out for a circus. And I keep saying monkey instead of ape and whatever and chimpanzee. Monkey's got tails. Yeah, they're all...

I know that they're all different, whatever. I don't care. I'm just going to call them monkeys or whatever comes into my mind because I'm racist in that way. So yeah, apparently it's okay. They say it's better than the second one. Okay, I could totally believe that. Yeah, I've only seen bits of it, again.

The next one is Conquest of the Planet of the Apes. And that actually directly influences Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Yeah, okay. And that sees Caesar, who was the ape that was born at the end, or monkey, whatever. Not his ape, I actually said it right. He ends up starting an ape uprising. An ape-rising. An ape-rising.

And he's the only one that can initially talk. I think somebody says no at the end. And he eventually leads this rebellion. So it very much is like Rise of the Planet of the Apes. And of course, as we know, Conquest of the Planet of the Apes set in the far-flung future. North America, 1991. Man. All those Super Nintendos just ready to go out the stores just apes in hyper color so wrap around shades yeah yeah the original ending's quite dark because caesar's like

i don't know the exact speech but it's basically like listen i'm in charge now you're all dead this is my time that's not the exact words but then there's a weird they weirdly add dubbed an extra bit and it was like but now it's time to put down our guns and that's how it sounds like as i said it then yeah yeah and so it kind of ends more optimistically but then the next one battle of the planet of the apes which came the year after that's set 10 years after which is also influences dawn of the planet of the apes where the humans and the apes are trying to find an uneasy alliance but you've got factors on both sides which are which don't want it and don't trust the other side and blah blah blah right

and it ends somehow it doesn't matter sure that's pretty dance battle dance battle yeah yeah again i think with these there are a lot of good ideas in them Uh huh Like credit where credit's due Yeah yeah yeah But We've all worshipped a bomb in our time A nuclear bomb Sure

Worst or best Mason Of those things I just went through Oh You know what The nostalgic memories have inspired me To say best movie ever Sure Because I love

I love a face melty guy Yep Worshippingipping a bomb. Absolutely. Pretty great. From what I've seen, the bits and pieces, I'm also going to say best movie ever. Because I enjoyed collecting the clips. Often that's really tedious.

But for this, I'm like, there's a lot of good stuff in this. Yes. But yeah, I couldn't say. I wouldn't say go back and see them, though. Okay. I couldn't say. But they do say Conquest is the best. Yeah, Conquest of the Plenty of Apps is the best.

They only say that because it rhymes, though. Good point. Someone was asked for an opinion. They're like, well, Conquest is the best. All right. Now, there was some comics and stuff, and there's sequel books to the movies and whatever that came in between. There was a TV show and an animated TV show.

Do you remember the Star Trek animated show? Yes. It looks like that. So not good. Not good. It's a bad. Yeah. Real bad. Real bad. Just a terrible show. Do you remember the Star Trek animated show? Yes. It looks like that. So not good. Not good. So bad. Yeah. Real bad.

Real bad. Just a terrible show. I mean, can you imagine the budget on a Planet of the Apes movie from this TV show from the 70s? That would have

been pretty high, right? No, you're wrong. You've said the wrong word there, the opposite. Because you'd have to have the ape

makeup. You'd have to main characters that were apes and they'd have to have the makeup. Wouldn't'd have to main characters that were apes, and they'd have to have the makeup. Wouldn't they just reuse all the rubbery masks from... What they would have done is just reuse the rubbery masks from the low-budget films, I would think. You're right. Good point.

Zero budget. The budget of Superman 4. Correct. Yeah, yeah. But, so, you know, things happened, and they tried to get them back happening, and a whole lot of different directors came on board and left, like, Peter Jackson at one point.

So this is the 90s. This is like the 80s and 90s and Arnold Schwarzenegger was considered and a few other actors and whatever. Because I think Arnold Schwarzenegger in the 90s was like the Chuck Heston. Yeah, that's true. And I imagine they did want him to say, get your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape in Arnold Schwarzenegger voice. You better believe it, Mason.

Yeah. But then, 2001, luckily. Luckily. Yeah, and he probably wanted to add another catchphrase to his collection. I'm sure he did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got that one that's like, get off my car. Is that his one?

No, no, wrong. Incorrect. Incorrect on so many levels. Maybe that's from The Expendables? No, also wrong. I haven't seen it. I have seen it. When's 3 coming out?

Sometime, next few months. Alright. Ugh. I didn't see 2 and I barely saw 1. I fell asleep. Alright. 2001 though,

Tim Burton took the reins after the death of Superman Lives. Uh-huh. I think he felt like he wanted to make a science fiction

kind of movie. And so he thought now's a perfect time to relaunch the Planet of the Apes franchise. Uh-huh. This is not a sequel, this is a reboot. Correct. Critically panned at the time. Uh-huh.

Still critically panned. Sure. Did you check it out this week? No, but I've seen it. Cool. I've seen it in the past. I think it's a bad rap. Well, I don't know. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, necessarily. Sure. All right, you tell me but I've seen it. Cool. I've seen it in the past. I think it's a bad rap. Well, I don't know.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it necessarily. Sure. Alright, you tell me what's wrong with it. How about we jump to the story first?

Okay. So basically, it's in the far-flung future of 1991. No, I don't know where the future is. Mark Wahlberg is a spaceman

and they're using chimps for unmanned space flights. Sure. So they're orbiting this planet which has oxygen and whatever, and they lose a chimp in the space flight through a time rift,

and Mark Wahlberg goes after him and also ends up in a time rift. Uh-huh, sure. Crash lands on this planet, and what's basically happened, when he gets there, all his ship that he was on had crash landed, but somehow managed to get there earlier because of time rifts, like thousands of years before, and the apes took over killed everybody and built this society

sorry not killed everybody but built this society with the humans as used as slaves and pets and what not Mark Wahlberg leads a sort of rebellion

he leads all the enemy apes to his old spaceship where he launches nuclear fire over them sure yeah and then the humans hit them with rocks yep and then the original chimp who we lost originally lands because of time rifts and they're like it's a sign he's our god that's right and the war stops

mark warburg's like i'm going back to earth somehow goes back to the time rift lands in modern day earth what it seems yep and general fade who was the villain in that played by tim roth who is an ape is now the lincoln monument with the lincoln memorial yep so monkey statue of lincoln and then the police show up and they're like sorry and everybody on the planet is an ape planet of the apes again uhpes again. That ending is insane and makes no sense. Is it though? Yes, because look, I understand that there are theories that make it work, but everything in that movie

nothing points towards how that could have happened. Right. Because it implies that Thade, who's the villain in it somehow managed to who they're pretty much, they're a primitive society still. They're probably like I don't know, like a maybe 1800s version of, you know, of chimps. Yeah, okay.

Like humans were or whatever. He got, he found the spaceship. Yeah. Launched it through a time rift. Landed. Yep. Somehow made it so every other ape was intelligent in the matter of, say, 200 years. Uh-huh.

And took over and led a revolution and whatever, and then everybody's an ape. It makes no sense. Here's a fun fact about that twist. Maybe it's not a fact. It doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. Is this a Kevin Smith thing? No, but there's a...

You know how all the Planet of the Apes moves were based on a book originally? Yeah. That's how the book ends. Yes. Yeah. It does. So this is actually the most... This is the...

Oddly, this is the most... It sticks to the canon the most. Yes. is actually the most... This is the... Oddly, this is the most... It sticks to the canon the most. Yes. It's the most accurate. It's the most true to the book. But I think they just took a part from it. Yeah. But they don't build to it.

Right, right, right. It's not built to. It's not shown that he could do that. Yeah, yeah. It's bizarre. I think... I get the sense that this was... Because the old Planet of the Apes was a franchise.

I get the sense that they wanted this to be the first part of a new franchise. It was. And then Tim Burton just sort of threw it in there. And he's like, we'll figure this out later. Doesn't matter. Yeah, yeah. Well, in the book it ends, they come back to Earth. The guy comes back to Earth and there's military personnel who are apes or whatever.

Let's just put that in there and hope for the best and if this makes money, we'll figure it out next time. Yeah, yeah. And it made some money, but people genuinely didn't like it. But I don't like it when it sets up a sequel but it's clearly just sequel bait. That's not in service to the story. I think also, well, the original Planet of the Apes

has a pretty big twist, so we need a big twist. And arguably, it makes less sense than the original twist. I think it makes about the same amount of sense. Yeah, I think Tim Burton would have been damned if he didn't, damned if he didn't. If he didn't put in a twist, people would be like, what is the twist? It's traditional for Planet of the Apes,

that one Planet of the Apes movie to have a twist, so why doesn't this one? But if he... Because he did, people were like, oh, it's not as good as the original. But I think the twist could have been the spaceship had crashed and was there thousands of years before Mark Wahlberg got there.

I think that's good enough of a twist. Okay, sure. I mean, it's okay. Yeah. It's a twist. Certainly is. Put it that way. But yeah, he wasn't a fan of that movie because...

Yeah, look. Mark Wahlberg. Well, no. Yeah, probably not. But Tim Burton. But the creature effects, like Rick Baker did them. Yeah, yeah. The makeup is amazing.

Really good, yeah. Tim Roth is a very good villain in this. Like crazy and weird and whatever. But he's interesting. And aesthetically, when the movie's outside, it works. When it's in, like, the ape village, it feels like a Tim Burton set. Yeah, you're probably right. Like, it feels very enclosed in the way that the first one didn't really.

But, I don't know. Can you think of a... Okay, how about this? Can you think of an actor-director combo that's less suited than Mark Wahlberg and Tim Burton. You're right, because Mark Wahlberg... Especially him. Yeah, yeah.

Sorry. Mark Wahlberg is our American hero. Yeah. And Tim Burton does not work with American heroes. He does not. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

He works with American traitors like Johnny Depp who lives in France. Probably. What a traitor. Probably drinks foreign beers. Yeah, probably. Ooh. What a traitor. Probably drinks foreign beers. Yeah. Ooh.

Jerk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's also... Oh, sorry, go on. You were going to say something? I was going to say, I think maybe... I think it's fairly solid as a B-grade campy kind of sci-fi film, like the original is. Sure.

I don't think it's funny enough to be... Or weird enough to be interesting or good or worth a read. Because I re-'t think it's funny enough to be, or weird enough to be interesting or good, or worth a read. Because I re-watched it this week, but I watched it in two parts. Not by choice, I had to go and do something so I finished it just today. And it's just, it's just nothing. Okay. Like, it's

Well, I'll believe that. I haven't seen it in ten years. Sure. There's also, there's a lot of wire work when the chimp jump, there's like really awkward. Well, parkour hadn't been invented yet. That's true. So obviously there's going to be wire work. Like, there's also there's a lot of wire work when the chips jump there's like really awkward parkour hadn't been invented yet that's obviously there's going to be wire work like there's no like you know when the apes turn up in the first one it's kind of like a shock or whatever there's no shock in this because you know what it what's going to happen and they rehashed a lot of lines yeah gotta mention the fact that charlton heston Tim Roth's father in this. Yep. And they somehow convinced Chuck Heston, who hates Planet of the Apes, to put on ape makeup. Correct, yes.

And spout the same lines that he did in the first one. But reversed. But reversed. And it's... I don't understand how they got him to do that. Yep. It's amazing. I think they just...

Once again, I think the accountant just put a number on a check and just said, I'm going to keep writing zeros after the check, after the number, until you agree to be in this. Sure. There's also a really long dinner party scene. I don't remember that at all. It's pretty good. Okay. There's also weird sexual undertones between the Helena Bonham Carter one and Mark Wahlberg.

Oh, that's right. Helena Bonham Carter is in this film. This Tim Burton film. That's where they got together, just after this movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I seem to recall them being together for all of time. Yeah, since like, yeah.

Yeah, like old Gothic London. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Whatever that time is. So, yeah. It's, hmm. Yeah, here we go. Oh, hang on. The cast signed on for a sequel

that would explain the final scene in Washington, but it was cancelled after the film's poor critical reception. So, there you go. Also, Tim Roth, who, again, I think he's a good villain in this. Do you remember?

Yep. He's got the movement down pat. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like the Michael Clarke Duncan wears this full gorilla makeup that looks very convincing. Again, I can't compliment that enough, all that makeup. But Tim Roth turned down Snape to do this for Harry Potter. Oh, that's Harry Potter that is unfortunate but you know there's a million of those stories there's so many

everybody's turned down everything to be in sure but look it's okay but then he was in Lie to Me so who's the winner now? that premise of Lie to Me got old after the first episode. It's like oh you

can tell when people are lying to you. I get it. Okay great. That was like the era when you had to have like a

specific thing as a detective like Monk was a bloody Yeah there was an era where it was cop teaming up with

like weird civilian specialists who doesn't have to play by the rules because it came after like 24 where you could just shoot anybody then it turned out you couldn't just shoot anybody so then it became you had to

be like you had to be a mentalist or you had to be a bones or you had to be a numbers exactly what a great era that was being a specialist you know and you didn't need a warrant because you could just be like, I'm just a guy

who reads your mind or something. Exactly. Castle's that still, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. I haven't seen much of Castle.

People like Castle, though. Yeah, it's good. Good fun. The mentalist is still going, isn't it? Surely not. Yeah, I think so.

All right, I'm going to talk, you look it up. Fine. Wait, who's talking? You're talking. You just said, I'm going to talk, you look it up.

No, I didn't. That's what you said. Go back to the tape. This tape we're recording on this cassette. Oh, it is an American police. Okay, so it's still going. Yeah. You know what's sustaining it? These golden hair.

Yes. Simon Baker's golden hair. He's completely dropped the Australian accent. Have you noticed that? He doesn't do it at all. He's Australian. Yeah, I know that. Doesn't do it.

In the show. At all. Was he Australian in the show? No, but he doesn't do it in life. God, this is interesting for our listeners, isn't it? Sure is. Nolan Barth has written in though, Mason. He's the official Shia LaBeouf of the show.

I remember. Really? Because I think that's the first time he mentioned it. But you remember Nolan Barth. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. He says, my favourite Planet of the Apes movie is the original Planet of the Apes with Charlton Heston. And I also love the Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes because it's great. It's fun to see how terrible it is.

So I guess on that level, he enjoys it or whatever. Yeah, I think it was like a bad combination of, like, Tim Burton maybe was at some sort of creative low, or like critical low point. Mm-hmm. And, you know, Walt Wahlberg. Was he at a low point as well? I don't know.

I think he was on the way up. Yeah. But he was still very much like the 90s kind of... What's the one where he's the hitman, Mark Wahlberg? Ah, the big hit. The big hit. That's what he was known for, that kind of stuff. But, you know, good cast.

Paul Giamatti's in it and whatever. I think, yeah, I don't know. I think maybe... Because Tim Burton's since done Dark Shadows, which was another sort of adaptation of a previous property and I think maybe with

Planet of the Apes he wanted to make it a lot weirder and creepier but he like and he like the studio wouldn't

would only let him go so far they don't want a Batman Returns Planet of the Apes precisely yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah okay fair enough so like you'd want to see like a full fledged Tim Burton Planet of the Apes movie sure as, yeah, exactly. Planet of the Apes movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay, fair enough. So, like, you'd want to see, like, a full-fledged Tim Burton Planet of the Apes movie.

Sure, as long as I don't have to pay for it. Why not? Great. Best of... In this fantasy world. Yeah, best of... Oh, yeah. Also, there's weird...

There's a kind of... You know at the end of Planet of the Apes, Charlton Heston kisses the ape or whatever? Yep. And she's like, you're so ugly or whatever. At the end of this one, Marky Mark kisses the Helen Bonham Carter ape. Yep. But up until that point, there's like weird sexual undertones all the way through it between those two.

And originally, so this ties into what you said about making a weirder one. Tim Burton wanted to make a relationship between those two. But like the interspecies kind of thing, like the audience won't like that. Absolutely not. Which they probably wouldn't. But you can still see it's still in. I mean, certain sectors won't like that. Absolutely not. Which they probably wouldn't. But you can still see it's still in the film. I mean, certain sectors, certain demos would. Sure.

There's entire quarters of the internet dedicated to just that. Yeah. But yeah, it's okay. Very dated. I'm going to say best movie ever because of Abraham Lincoln right at the end. I don't care about the haters. I love it. I'm going to say worst.

I can't recommend it. Fair enough. Yeah. But you know it is kind of worth checking out. Yeah. So whatever.

Don't put a lot. Put five minutes of effort into it. Yeah. If you don't like it in the first five minutes just give it up.

Yeah. Watch something else. Watch one of the sequels to Planet of the Apes. Yeah. Well that series was canned Mason.

Yeah. They stopped it. That's now a footnote in time. Sure is. Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Like tears in rain. That's right.

Rise of the Planet of the Apes, though. 2011. Uh-huh. Rebooted the franchise. Barb, do you want to talk about the story? I don't mean to talk about the story. I think you should talk about the story. Gotcha.

Yeah. Basically. James Franco, right? He works for a company that's manufacturing an Alzheimer's kind of cure, and they're testing it on chimps, and they're finding that through it, they're increasing brain function of chimps. Basically, he wants to cure John Lithgow's Alzheimer's,

who's his father in it all. Indeed. In the process of it goes horribly wrong for whatever reason, but he ends up at the start adopting this chimp from birth and raises him. And that chimp has been genetically altered where it is as intelligent as a human being. Without the power of speech, so we think. Yeah, yeah. As the chimp grows up, like it begins to question its place in the world.

Like, am I a pet? Am I a human? Because it's wearing a leash. Exactly. And it sees a dog wearing a leash. And it's like, am I a pet? Am I a human? Am I a chim? Because it's wearing a leash. Exactly. And it's like, what the hell? It ends up being incarcerated in a sanctuary

or what they think is a safe place because it saves John Lithgow who has an amusing car accident because his Alzheimer's is coming back. In there, he's assaulted a lot

by Draco Malfoy. Sure, yeah. Who I can't remember the name of. Tom something? Doesn't matter. Not important. And through that, he builds up... He builds this ape army in there

and he kills Draco Malfoy. Well, good. In a wizarding battle. Yeah. And then... Has he been typecast? Yeah. That guy?

Yeah, he's good though. Tom Felton, that's his name. There we go, yeah. And then basically take the apes. They have a kind of massive fight on the San Francisco bridge and they run into the woods and the movie ends also

with the new Alzheimer's cure which they built which they made is now a deadly to humans and it's a plague that wipes out most of the world

that's an unfortunate side effect isn't it just a little bit of a side effect just a little bit what did you think of Rise of the Planet of the Apes

Rot Pota well the thing about Rot Pota is... Yeah, it's solid, right? Okay, yeah, I really like it, but you're not sold on it. I... I think the effects are great. Sure.

I think the Andy Serkis as every monkey ever. Killing it. Solid, really solid. I don't know. I feel that... I can't see how, in this scenario, really solid. I don't know. I feel that... I can't see how, in this scenario, the humans wouldn't win. Okay.

Well, I guess it's just because they got wiped out. Yeah, I think that's probably it. That's why they added that bit in. Yeah, I think that's... Yeah, I think originally... I feel that's a bit too much of a plot contrivance. Yeah, sure. Like, unless they put...

Unless this Alzheimer's cure happened to create this deadly virus that could kill everybody in the world. If that didn't happen, the battle between humans and apes would have lasted 10 minutes. Because you hide in the forest, humans have thermal imaging cameras and napalm. So how long is that going to last, really? But I think what would have happened... I think the apes won that initial battle purely on surprise alone. Right, yeah. And then I think there would have been... think they won that the apes won that initial battle purely on surprise alone right yeah and then i think there was there would have been like say there was no disease there would have been a push to this they were in the californian forest or something like

that like there would have been like that's an ape sanctuary just leave it alone don't go near it because they're crazy yeah like i think that's how it would have gone yeah yeah but i think that what really drives this story though though, is the CGI. Yep. A really good use of CGI. And Andy Serkis. James Franco. Just always Franco-ing around.

That's right. And Frida Pinto, I believe it is. They're okay, but you can... They can take or leave them. And there's a reason why they kind of took James Franco out of the sequel, I think. Because he's not that engaging. I was just going to say that. And I feel that James Franco is very rarely engaged in a film. Sure.

I don't think he really cares most of the time. No. Whether he's there or not. Have you seen Spider-Man 3 though? Oh yeah, he's great in that isn't he? Yeah, yeah. Ah, my face or something. Ah, you're right. Yeah. But yeah, no, it's I guess if you see it as a set up to the sequel, I think it's

quite a solid film. But again, it doesn't really, beyond the fact that there just happened to be this weird side effect I see it as a set-up to the sequel. Yep. I think it's quite a solid film. But again, it doesn't really... Beyond the fact that there just happened to be this weird side effect to this thing, it doesn't really feel like it's a real war between humans and apes yet. No, no. It feels kind of... And that's going to be the next one. Yeah, I hope so, yeah.

Yeah, big time, Madison. And I guess you might say, well, the humans created the intelligent apes and the humans created the virus that wiped themselves out. But it's a coincidence, really. It's not really a battle of Planet of the Apes, is it? No. When you think about it. It really isn't. I was going to say, the action sequence at the end is great. Right.

On the bridge and whatever. And the bit where the gorilla takes down the helicopter is amazing. And the bit where the gorilla uses its magnetic powers and shifts the whole bridge over to the other side of the island. How good was that bit? Lucky there was no Professor X there. It's Professor. And the bit where the gorilla uses its magnetic powers and shifts the whole bridge over to the other side of the island. How good was that bit? Lucky there was no Professor X there. It's Professor Exim.

But the sequence I really enjoy in this is when it moves away from the James Franco kind of John Lithgow thing and it focuses on Caesar in the prison building up an ape army and using his intelligence to maintain a dominance over all the other apes and gorillas. Yeah, yeah.

That in itself is very, very interesting. Yeah. And the way that he can use sign language and he can communicate to the other one. Then he smarts them all up with the gas and then he sets them on Draco Malfoy. Yeah. That's really, really great. And you see him go from this kind of like, he's shocked that he's put in there in the first place and he's betrayed.

But then from that, he kind of rebuilds himself as this warrior leader. Right, right. That is the best part of that movie. Because he's found a purpose. Exactly. Because he's found a purpose. And he sees the injustice that's been befort. Yes.

Befort? Is that the word? I don't know. It is now. It sure is. Let's put it on Urban Dictionary. So, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's some nods, though, to the original films that are really forced.

Like Charlton Heston. Like... As Draco Malfoy. Well, Draco Malfoy says, get your hands off me. He doesn't say it as well. Right. And stuff like that was like, didn't have to do it. I'm glad they didn't go, let's do a big twist.

Right. Like, let's tell an emotional story and whatever. Yeah. Let's steer away from this whatever it is, you know, and build to, you know, this new franchise. It is, though, it has nods to the original that it is kind of a reboot because they mention the ship that goes missing, the spaceship. Yeah, that's right.

It's not a prequel, but it's got elements of a prequel, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So, Charlton Heston was in that ship, Mason. And maybe they'll eventually get to that at some point. Do you think they'll bring him back with CGI?

I hope so. And if they do, clean shaven or beard? Beard. Yeah, nice. Big time. I mean, hard to do though. Beard's hair is hard to do in CGI. And they can use Arnold Schwarzenegger's current body. Weird sack body. there was going to be like i'm glad the original ending was that james franco goes to see caesar in the forest you know there's a bit where c's oh yeah so caesar learns to talk in

this and it's amazing it's a really big revelation and i like as well he doesn't just start talking like hello i'm a chimp or whatever like Like, because apes apparently have higher, the vocal cords are placed differently. So they, if they could somehow talk, it would be very difficult. Right, right, right. And that's shown in this movie that he struggles to talk. Like it's not. They've done a lot of research. Yeah, exactly.

Some of the bouncing around stuff doesn't look as good. I think they've improved on that. As the one from the 60s. Exactly, as the Charlton Heston bouncing around. Yeah, yeah. Like, the facial stuff's great but some of the leaping is a bit...

is a little bit off. It still looks amazing. But yeah, the original ending was James Franco goes to the forest and he's like, come back, Caesar. I'll buy you some, like,

McDonald's. Yeah, yeah. You love McDonald's. Yeah. You love polyunsaturated fat Caesar. Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. And Caesar's like,

no, Caesar is home. You know, I'm staying here, whatever. But originally, some people come to kill Caesar. And this is a very Hollywood death ending and I'm glad they didn't do it. And as he shoots Caesar, James Franco leaps in front of the bullets.

Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Terrible, right? Yeah. I like how they've just gone, yeah, he died from the plague like everybody else. Right, right.

So. That sounds like that James Franco wanted to put that in out of because of how ironic it was yeah

imagine if I was in a movie where I leapt in front of somebody I was like no it was a last minute addition like they filmed it like a month before it came out because they were gonna do

the leaping in front of people right right glad they didn't ugh no no thank you so yeah there you go but yeah people would have laughed

in the cinema. Oh, yeah. That would have ruined any emotional connection you have to this ape creature. Yeah. You'd be like, oh, he's like a human. He's got thoughts and dreams and desires and whatever. And a love for McDonald's.

Love for McDonald's. And you would have been like, oh, I hope he finds his way or whatever. And then Franco leaps in front of him. No. And you'd be like, oh, I hope he finds his way or whatever and then Franco leaps in front of him. No. And you'd be like, what a dumb film. So, yeah, it blew me away at the time.

Yeah. And I was really happy. Did you see the cinema? Yeah. Oh, no, you didn't. You haven't seen it, did you? Yeah. Okay, there you go.

Well, Mason, you've got no love for Planet of the Apes then, it seems. You have some love. Yeah. Was there any video games? There was a 2001 one. I put that in my video. It's horrendous.

So it's 2001? But yeah, it's released at the same time as the Tim Burton one, but it looks like it's set in the Charlton Heston era. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'll show you some stuff. Is there a lot of fog of war? There's a lot of polygons. Great.

The clip that I had a look at, you're in a prison and an ape runs in and you pick up a block of wood and as you pick it up it goes to an inventory screen and it says like block of wood great whatever and then you hit the ape 40 times great blocks most of them yeah great it's just playstation one mason let's get some emulators let's do this you know multiplayer yeah yeah jamie the dunks duncan i was written in he, I'd like to say that Rise of the Planet of the Apes... Is that his own nickname, The Dunks? I added The Dunks. Great, great. Now he's with us.

Now he's The Dunks. He's the official The Dunks of ComfortMovie.com. He goes, I'd like to say that Rise of the Planet of the Apes is at the moment my favourite movie of all time. Oh. I've seen it three or four times and each time come out loving it.

Cool. So he's going back to the cinema and secretly watching it? I'd say so. He's probably going in late at night. Sure. And he's bringing his own he's bringing his own reel

yeah yeah his own reel yeah I remember I agree with him though that was one of my favourite movies of 2011 okay for me

name another one Thor okay there you go Captain American oh yeah Batman Begins was it? sorry Batman Forever

there you go thank you I don't know like action movies also Elliot Bufford says though can we talk about how useless every human is in dot poter i'm assuming he means nobody's dot poter no it's right it's right like none of them were actual sensible human beings especially malfoy what a fucking prick so yeah well yeah they're not the best written human characters, are they?

Not really. Or portrayed. But, you know, I'll take any kind of character. In a Hollywood movie, I'll take any kind of character. Any human doing anything. Even a Draco Malfoy. Correct. Thank you, yes.

Best or worst movie ever, Mason? I'm going to go with... Best movie ever. I thought you were going to say... But I'm hoping for more with the sequel. Yeah, me too. Well, by all accounts, it's amazing and better. So, yeah, there you go, Mason. Oh, in that case, worst movie ever I thought you were going to But I'm hoping for more with the sequel Yeah me too Well by all accounts It's amazing and better

So yeah there you go Oh in that case Worst movie ever Ha ha ha ha Wa ha ha ha ha Twist There you go That's my twist

Absolutely There it is Also I should have mentioned this at the start But the Planet of the Apes series Kind of kicked off Kind of merchandising I think that's where

George Lucas kind of got the idea To kind of Make Star Wars Yeah Merchandising kind of kicked off kind of merchandising. I think that's where George Lucas kind of got the idea to kind of make Star Wars. Star Wars, yeah. Merchandising kind of thing. Okay. Yeah. So there was a lot of action figures. None of them good.

No, certainly not. None of them worth anything. Was there some sort of battle van? I'm sure there was. Was there an ape blimp? I actually found my turtle van earlier. Was there a Planet of the Apes pizza party van? I was at my parents' house earlier this week

and my turtle van was there. Someone was rummaging around the roof. It looked real terrible. That was a cheat. Had you left it on the roof of your parents' house? No, no. They've got toys in the roof or whatever. So, if ever I have children...

For your malformed identical twin who lives in the roof? That's right. Great. His name is Malform. Oh. Yeah. So, there you go. I guess what it's time for Mason

Is our favourite segment What's that? What we read Oh What we gotta read Okay great I'm doing the thing What are we reading

Today Alright I'm gonna recommend Rot Pota If you haven't seen it Watch it in preparation for Dawn of the Planet of the Apes but that's

I've got other things to say about other stuff there are Planet of the Apes comics we talked about them didn't we but I couldn't really find any like

yeah more adaptations I think Marvel had the license for a while I googled some stuff and I'm like none of this stuff is really

I'm interested in reading so I didn't I didn't check any out what do you gonna read I'm going to recommend Angel So I didn't check any out. What are you going to read? I'm going to recommend Angel and the Ape, which was the short-lived DC comic series from like the early 90s, about a detective agency,

and one is a pretty lady and one is an ape. How do you like that? I like that a lot. It's good, right? I'm going to recommend Every Which Way But Loose, which is a prequel to Planet of the Apes. Incorrect. If you don't know what it is look it up

that'll make sense to you i'm actually going to um recommend mark wade's incorruptible and you actually recommended this to me yeah because i read irredeemable which is great and i've started reading i'm nearly finished and this is sort of a sidequel yeah it's a sidequel uh it's i don't think it's as good as irredeemable but it's still quite good and it ties in really well when i haven't finished it so i shouldn't really talk about it but basically in irredeemable i mentioned this before is about a superhero who's kind of like superman he is basically but he doesn't have the moral compass no man he snaps born with yeah he's and then he's like the the biggest mass murder genocidal maniac of all time and And in Corruptible, there's a villain called Max Power

who is invulnerable. There's more to his powers than just that. But I won't spoil it. And after he sees the... What's his name? The guy who snaps. I can't remember. It's annoying.

The... The plutonium. The plutonium. Sorry. And he basically turns his life around. He sees the Plutonium Snap, turns his life around, decides, well, look, there are no heroes anymore, really. Well, there are, but not...

But I've got to change my ways because this guy's killing everybody. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it's pretty good. It's serious, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Anything else to read? Nah. I'm going to recommend the movie Any Which Way You Can,

which is a sequel to Any Which Way You Can Which is a sequel to Any Which Way But Loose Wow And a side call to Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Aaron Nichols has written in though I thought maybe I could Include maybe some

Some listeners What we read Okay I'd like to hear that He's the official nemesis And official Nick Mason Of the podcast Yeah fair enough He got in first

He did. It's called Steelheart by Brandon Sanderson and has a world where every single person who manifests powers called the epics turned out to be evil. Oh, that's unfortunate. It is. What's it called, sorry?

It's called Steelheart. And it's basically about a kid called David who wants to be an invulnerable epic called Steelheart and he seeks a group of freedom fighters called the Reckoners. So yeah, well, off the back of Irredeemable and whatnot, I think I might give that a read. Yeah, cool.

Or not. Have you ever read Top Ten? No, what's that? It's an Alan Moore book. A comic, rather. Yeah. A comic book. Oh, I know.

So, yeah, yeah. And it's set in a city. It's set in the 10th precinct of a city. It's the 10th police precinct of a city where everybody has superpowers. Sure. It's set in the 10th precinct of a city, 10th police precinct of a city where everybody has superpowers. Sure.

It's really fun. Okay. Super good fun. Should I check it out? Yeah, check it out, mate. All right. That's what we're reading for this week.

Love it. We did it. We sure did. We did it once again. All right. Got some listening emails this week though, Mason.

I'm going to read this one to you first. I'm ready. Hello, I am Duck, official aquatic life form of the Weekly Planet Podcast. Love it. I'm going to read this one to you first. I'm ready. Hello, I am Duck, official aquatic life form of the Weekly Planet podcast. Love it.

I don't like ducks. Have I mentioned that before? Yeah. I killed that duck that time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, ducks don't

like me because they attack me often. Yeah, correct. Anyway, question. I'm ready. Do you think Planet of the Apes, the next one after Dawn, will

be a remake of the original Planet of the Apes with Taylor and his crew landing and finding the apes? So do you think basically the one after Dawn will be the Charlton Heston one? Do Apes with Taylor and his crew landing and finding the apes. So do you think basically the one after Dawn will be the Charlton Heston one? Do we know if there's a third one in the way?

That's in the works, yes. In the works, okay. It'd have to be, right? I don't think so. I don't think they can rely on there being... I don't think they can rely on there being more than three of anything these days. Sure.

But I think also the main character in those movies is Caesar. And if you set it in the far-flung future, there is no Caesar. That's true. Also, you lose the twist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think they could do a remake. Not exactly. Yeah, they couldn't do a remake of the original.

But I think they've clearly set it up that they might do that one day. Yeah. So it's possible. I would like to see the third one much closer to the apocalyptic Planet of the Apes future. Sure. You want to see the telepathic humans? Yeah, telepathic humans worship a bomb. Yeah.

Yeah. Anyway, he says, thanks from Duck. Thank you, Duck. Callum McDonald's written in, he said, I was thinking you guys should start a Let's Play channel. You know what Let's Play is, Mason? It's when you play a video game you're like

hey look at me I'm playing a video game woo look at this ah he said I was thinking you could play comic book related games

or you can play your favourite games either way I'm sure it would rock would it rock ah it might rock I thought about doing a let's play

and I thought we could do them together like maybe play some like 90s like Marvel DC beat em up oh we could play Superman 64.

Oh, God. Look, we've got a lot of options, really. We do. Yeah. I'd like to do that one day. I don't know if I can do it any time soon, but would you be interested in that? Let's do that. Also, I'd have to get some, like, screen capturing recording and stuff.

I was just thinking that. There's got to be some software we'll have to ask around. Yeah, yeah. Sure. Do you know anything about technology? Also, we'll have to find a TV that's old enough to run a nintendo 64 through it oh yeah good point yeah maybe we do emulators oh what a nightmare we found ourselves into thanks a lot callum callum you maniac you blew it up so yeah would you say no time soon but maybe yeah point, sure. Maybe we could even do a one-stop one every now and then.

Jonathan Serrano. A Serrano? S-E-R-R-A-N-O. He's the official New Yorker with an actual New York accent. I'll argue that we have actual accents here. Exactly, yeah. Is that what he's implying? Yeah, I think so.

Anyway. Anyway, we get to hear his, so let's see what happens. Do you guys like certain anime series? For example, Dragon Ball, Full Metal Alchemist, other ones? Not for a long time. Sure. But I'm not averse to learning about some new ones. I don't know.

I was always a big fan of Akira, but that's not really a series, is it? No. Yeah. It still holds up, I think. Yeah, I think so, too. If you like giant, sweaty flesh monsters crushing cities. Yes, I do. Oh, great.

Yeah, definitely. I've talked about this before. Ghost in the Shell. I was a big fan of that one. Yeah, we watched that. Saw that in the cinema. Yes, I do. Oh great, definitely, yeah. I've talked about this before. Ghost in the Shell, I was a big fan of that one. Yeah, we watched that. Saw that in the cinema. Yeah, yeah. I quite like,

I do like Dragon Ball, or Dragon Ball Z specifically. I love the Dragon Ball Z Budokai fighting games. They're very good. Specifically three. I've broken a couple of those controllers.

My controllers, I remember. Yeah, your controller's playing that. Yeah. Oh, you've kicked the microphone. No, it's fine. It's fine. Yeah, yeah. I love that game. But there's never been one as good, I think, since. Oh, you've kicked the microphone. No, it's fine. It's fine. Yeah, yeah.

I love that game. But there's never been one as good, I think, since. They tried to do a 3D fighting Dragon Ball game where you can fly anywhere. It doesn't work. Right, right, right. You need to be constrained a little bit. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah. So, for me, Dragon Ball Z, but I'm open to whatever. Also, do you like Team Four Star? The YouTube channel? I've never heard of it. They take all the old Dragon Ball Z episodes. They keep the basic storyline, but they re-edit it and re-voice them, so they make it into a comical kind of retelling.

Oh, okay, cool. It's really well done. Really good. Really good production values. For me, it's almost ruined Dragon Ball Z, because I think it's more entertaining. Right. I was just thinking, actually,

because we just did an episode on Transformers and the old Transformers and, like, the old Transformers cartoon episodes. More than meets the eye. Isn't that amazing? Like, when you look back at, like, an old Japanese animation series like Rogotech or whatever. Yeah.

So much better. Oh, yeah. Same era. Yeah, yeah. Why were the Japanese stuff so much better? Why is the American stuff so terrible? Couldn't tell you. Yeah.

Money. Discipline, probably. Karate. Honor. Yeah, honor. Definitely. Those things. Sure. Thanks, Jonathan. Yeah. Good luck. It's a good show. If you haven't seen that. money discipline probably karate honour yeah honour definitely those things sure

thanks Jonathan good luck if you haven't seen that there was a series standalone complex which came out a few years later I don't think it was

quite as good as the film but there you go how many episodes 8 I'll make this easy for you how many minutes if you added them all up oh 8

great yeah I'm probably going to think of 10 more anime series that I really enjoy as soon as these episodes are out that's fine if you added them all up. Oh, eight. Great. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm probably going to think of ten more anime series that I really enjoy as soon as this episode's out. That's fine. We can talk about it next week or edit them in or whatever.

Yeah. He says, this is from the official non-Mexican Ricardo Moltoban. Oh. Okay, he says... I like the sound of that. Yeah. In our X-Men commentary,

I don't remember doing this, but apparently I said, I don't... Even then, I don't think Wrath of Khan is that good. You did say that, yeah. Did I? You absolutely did.

Look, he's right then. I did say that. That's probably an unfair thing to say, which I said just flippantly. I'd say, but you look at Wrath of Khan and Empire Strikes Back, which is better? Yeah, but they're different things. I know, you're right. Wrath of Khan is more like... If you like slow space battles, where you outwit the enemy by going down and then coming up behind them.

It's more like a submarine war game. It is. But I think Wrath of Khan changed that. It is quite slow, but those action sequences, they changed the way we see space battles. Because they were using all three dimensions. Yeah. Like, up until that point, it was the matrix of really slow space battles

because essentially before that, it was just two... It'd just be two spaceships just coming at each other very slowly and just shooting. But then, you know, we realised we've got so many dimensions. Like, if you look at, like, you know,

the new... the Star Trek reboots. Yeah. There's stuff coming from all over the place. Too many stuffs. Yeah, I know, right? Too many lens flares, certainly. But, like, you know, the new, the Star Trek reboots. Yeah. There's stuff coming from all over the place. Too many stuff. Yeah, I know, right? Too many lens flares, certainly. But that's, you know, because we realised that we could operate in that many dimensions. Cool.

Yeah. Fair enough. So shut up about Star Trek 2. Save your hate for Star Trek 5. Fair point. Yeah. Which I haven't seen. It's the worst one.

He says, you'll regret this, James. I should read this thread out. It's only polite. And especially if you come up missing. Yeah, that's right. In a week or so. We'll know this, James. I should read this thread out. It's only polite. And especially if you come up missing. Yeah, that's right. In a week or so, we'll know who to call. I'll chase you round the moons of Nibia

and round the Antares maelstrom and round perdition flames. I'm butchering all those, aren't I? That's all right. We can just play the clip from Star Trek 2. Good point. Before I give it up,

to the last I'll grapple with thee from hell's heart. I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee. Is he dying? Can I take this one? Spit his... Can I?

Sure. Khan! Khan! It's weird that he does yell at because in that sequence, Kirk knows the way out. He knows he's tricked him. He's tricked him already. Khan can't hear him. Yeah.

He just wanted to yell Khan. Also, can I just... It's still a good film. I enjoy it. Yeah, yeah. Khan can't hear him. Yeah. He just wanted to yell Khan. Also, can I just... It's still a good film, I enjoy it. Yeah, sure. You're right. He also says, as I said, he's the official non-Mexican Ricardo Montalban of the Weekly Planet podcast, but I would argue that Benedict Cumberbatch is the official non-Mexican Ricardo Montalban.

Well, has Cumberbatch emailed him to find that? You're right. So he loses out, doesn't he? You're right. Thanks, Khan. I'm sorry I said that thing. I am wrong. I am wrong.

For once. Big call, but all right. Wade Reese, the official David Hasselhoff, he's written it and he says, I know you have a rule about only having Shia LaBeouf news or Batman vs. Superman news in one episode, but what if they're the same? What if Shia LaBeouf is cast or he shows up on sets and acts like a maniac or something? What would you guys do? That's a really good question.

I've got my answer here. Okay, go ahead. I had time to think about this. Yeah, absolutely. I said we'd quit and we'd throw all the recording equipment into a landfill. You know, like they did with the E.T. cartridges. Yeah, definitely. We could steamroll over them.

I'm actually looking forward to it because I haven't used a steamroller before. Did you say you have? No, I haven't. Oh, man. I thought't used a steamroller before did you say you have? no I haven't oh man I thought you had a really good steamroller story to tell no sir yeah so I don't know

I would love that though I'd break the rule for that yeah yeah definitely I mean we've broken it before I mean we don't yeah we don't really have to but there's no rules here man

but I feel we could that would be an additional category yeah I think in addition to we could have a Man of Steel we could have

Batman vs Superman news or Shia LaBeouf news plus Shia LaBeouf crashes the set of Batman vs Superman news

demands to be Robert correct yeah this is from Robert Mason he says my mom I'm going to say mum I've never said it before please do I can't say Demands to be Robert Correct Yeah This is from Robert Mason He says My mom I'm going to say mum I've never said it before

Please do I can't say it My mom loves two things Superhero movies I thought she was going to say us No Okay Superhero movies and frogs

Not real frogs though Real frogs creep her out But she loves frogs In any other medium Anyways I want to get my mom a present And I want to get her A frog Thor comic

But I have no clue What a good Frog Thor comic is Any thoughts? Isn't there just the one? There's just the one, surely I'm going to look up Frog Thor If there's more than one Then it's going to be weird

Because he got turned into a frog magic hammer Oh, actually, no, no Or was there one that I think there was a frog That got the powers of Thor And it touched a fragment of Mjolnir Yeah The magic hammer, and then it became...

Was that in that Avengers universe where Captain America and whatever? Yeah, they all teamed up. There's like the pet Avengers. Pet Avengers, yeah. Yeah, Throg. Throg. Throg. So you're going to recommend Throg?

Look, I don't know if this mom is a real mom or not, or he just wanted us to talk about Throg. But we're talking about Throg, aren't we? Yes, we are. What can you tell us about Throg? I mean, you said some stuff already. Hang on, wait. Actually, no, he was a man. Yeah, he was a college football player. He was injured during a game.

He'd never play again. He was cursed and he was turned into a frog. By who? Like Loki or something? No, some sort of mystic. Okay. Mystic type. Anyway, et cetera, et cetera.

He became Throg. Frog of Thunder. Anyway. Check it out. Anyway, there they are with the pet Avengers. Check it out, Robert's mum? Yeah, totally. Pet Avengers.

And happy birthday, Robert's mum. Lockjaw. Yeah. That dragon that Kitty Pryde's always hanging out with. His name, I can't remember. Draglo. No. Lockjaw. Yeah. That dragon that Kitty Pryde's always hanging out with. His name, I can't remember. Draglo. No. Dragrace.

No. Dragme2hell. Dragme2hell. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah. She's always hanging out with a DVD copy of Dragme2hell. Thanks, Robert. Well, wish your mum a happy birthday from us.

Yeah, happy birthday. And if you want us to sign a copy of it, probably don't worry about it. Yeah, it'll take a long time. It'll only devalue it. It'll take a real long time. Yeah. Yeah. All right, last letter for the week, Mason.

Okay, I'm ready. And then we've got to go. Okay. S. Potter, female nerd of the podcast, official. Cool. She has an anecdote, so I'm going to read this to you. I'm ready. Okay.

Are we involved? Did we meet at some point? Years ago, while at Six Flags. Now, that's like- It's a theme park. For those who don't know, including me, it's like a big theme park, isn't it? Yep. Yeah, yeah. Years ago, while at Six Flags, Magic Mountain, the rest of my family, except me- I think that's like, for those who don't know, including me, it's like a big theme park, isn't it? Yep. Yeah, yeah.

Years ago, while at Six Flags Magic Mountain, the rest of my family, except me... I think that's the best one. Oh, is it? Six Flags of Magic Mountain. Okay. That's the best one. Good, good. Yeah, yeah. The rest of my family, except me, because I didn't want to stop riding roller coasters...

Lockheed is the name of the dragon. What? Continue. Lockheed? Lockheed. Lockheed. Yes. You ever read Lock and Key?

Yeah, I hear it's good. Yeah, it's really good. Anyway. Sorry. Years ago, while at Six Flags, Magic Mountain. The best one. The best one. Yep.

The rest of my family, except me, because I didn't want to stop riding roller coasters, went to see the Batman live show they had. Oh, a stunt show. I know, right? Apparently, the show started and Batman came down on a zip line and crashed to the ground, ending the show, just started. That's... Oh.

Oh. and crashed to the ground, ending the show, just started. That's... Oh! She says, see, I clearly made the correct decision. I would argue that is the wrong decision. That is definitely the wrong decision. Look, I hate rides. I'm not a ride guy. I hate them. I hated them when I was a kid. I love them now.

Except anything that spins. Right. Can't handle that. Yeah, too old for me. Yeah, look, it's fine. You should believe Whatever you want But I would definitely Much rather have seen

I mean it was It was gonna happen anyway There's no way for us To stop it I feel bad that that guy Probably injured himself Quite severely He's probably dead

He's probably dead But Look That was gonna happen Regardless of whether You were there or not Probably should have seen it Yep

Yeah If anybody Including you S Potter Has a copy of that on tape Yep We'd like to see it Put it on YouTube so whether you were there or not, probably should have seen it. Yeah. Yeah. If anybody, including you, S. Potter, has a copy of that on tape. Yep, we'd like to see it. Put it on YouTube. Yeah, definitely.

I'd need, unless it's already on YouTube. Oh, maybe. It's from the mid-90s though, who knows. No, but people are on anything like old, old Handycam footage all the time, put it on YouTube.

Yeah, you're right. Alright. Yeah, yeah. Maybe it happens every week. That's the show? That's the show! It's the Spider-Man Turn Off the Dark

of Batman live shows. Yeah, yeah. When I was a kid I went to Movie World. We have, for those that don't know, we have at Queensland there's a whole lot

of theme parks. Air quotes, Hollywood on the gold. Yeah, that's what they call it. There wasn't a lot of stuff there when I was a kid.

There was more stuff now. They've had like the Lethal Weapon Ride. Do you remember? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they had a Batman. Hang on, the Lethal Weapon Ride was just, you go off. It was a roller coaster. And there was one, kid, there was more stuff now. They've had, like, the Lethal Weapon ride. Do you remember? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they had a Batman... Hang on, the Lethal Weapon ride was just... It was a rollercoaster.

And there was one... I think there was one, and it was just like... I think you're thinking of the Tower of Terror. Right, but there was one, and it was themed like an action movie. It was just, you go up, like on, like, an elevator thing in, like, a plane seat,

and then they just drop you. Like an action movie. Yeah, yeah, like in Lethal Weapon. Yeah. But, yeah, they had the Batman ride ride there where you go into the bat cave and there's batman and he's talking alfred it's the tim burton batman returns and then you go into a room that tilts and you're watching a screen and it goes for like three minutes and it was really awesome but disappointing because it went for like three minutes but they had a police academy live show police academy stunt show you've seen it right right? It was there for how many years?

Forever. 60 years. I never went, but those ads went for like a decade. Easily. Do you remember the most... Long after The Shine came off Police Academy. Yeah, exactly. But do you remember the bit from the ad,

which is the most important bit from that? There was an explosion and people dove away from the explosion. Do you remember the car flip? Yeah, okay, I remember the car flip. Okay. Well, yeah. Anyway, there's a very famous car flip. Well, famous.

Yeah. Where it explodes and the car's on a crate, on an arm. Like a jack. Yeah. Yeah. And it flips. And I'm like, this is what I'm here for. So there's wacky comedy and they take a guy from the audience, but he's clearly part of

the show and he's getting run over and it's jokes and whatever. And then the car explodes. I'm like is it and it didn't move wow i should have been riding rides not s potter that's what i'm saying we both made the wrong choices oh man that's disappointing for everyone i mean presumably though it's still going so i could just go back yeah absolutely that'll never end that'll never do you think the so the police academy stunt show didn't start like it didn't end with stunts but it began with like raunchy back yeah absolutely that'll never end that'll never do you think the so the police academy stunt show didn't start like it didn't end with stunts but it began with like raunchy sex stuff because that's how the police academy franchise began yeah do you reckon that was a time i once

saw a showing of the phantom the opera and they didn't drop the chandelier for safety reasons but that's the point of the phantom the opera i know know, right? So what happened when Intermission hits? Also, one time I went to Euro Disney and they had a Star Wars kind of ride thing and all the characters were speaking in French. I didn't appreciate it. Like C-3PO all talking in French.

It's all civil play. Yeah. Leve Falcon. What a jerk. Was he wearing a little beret? You know he was. I knew he was. I just wanted to hear it

so yeah well Mason have you got any more theme park stories that's about it really they had a gremlins experience which was quite interesting did you ever go to

movie world Hollywood on the gold coast no I never did sorry yeah yeah if you're gonna go probably don't okay good

I met Batman that was cool okay yeah yeah mid 90s man what a time thank you to the Brute and the Basilisk

for the themes absolutely thank you guys love them I do put them in every week Mason you probably don't realise

like I could not be doing them you don't know who knows you may never release these I never download them so who's to say

yeah yeah just making up emails all week yeah check out my YouTube channel youtube.com slash Mr.ay movies if you want to see that plan the apes review and then superman suit one and something about transformers

whatever who cares i consider a lot of comments telling you to stop talking about transformers we get the message we don't want to talk about transformers either i wasn't gonna do i but then you talked about the statutory seed from transformers and i wanted to put that in a video so i built a video around. Fantastic. So I could put that section in. So, yeah. So, in many ways, this is my fault.

Yeah, sure. Great. But, yeah. I said I wasn't going to do another Transformers one, but I did it. I'm alive. Life's funny sometimes, isn't it? Sure is. Where can they reach you, Mason?

They can find me at Wikipedia Brown on Twitter. Sure. I told you this before the show, but people loved the ending to the last episode. Well, I've got nothing this week, so we can't even try. That'd be like a Planet of the Apes sequel. Just less effort put in. Yep. Less poor costumes.

Low budget. Yep. So, yeah, you can find me at MrSundayMovies on Twitter and Facebook and YouTube. Yep. Also, I'm on a WatchMojo list, apparently. I should have mentioned that. There's a top 10 YouTube critics, and I'm like number 19. I'm on a WatchMojo list, apparently. I should have mentioned that. There's a top 10 YouTube critics, and I'm like number 19. I'm not a YouTube critic.

I'm barely this. You're very critical of YouTube. Yes, that's true. And their poor handling of you. That's right. But yeah, if you want to go Google top 10 whatever, you can vote, and apparently they'll make a video of the top 10. I doubt I'll get in it. The only reason I'd get in it is because not enough people know me to downvote me.

Right. That's the only reason I'd get in. But yeah, I doubt that's going in it. The only reason I'd get in it is because not enough people know me to downvote me. Right. That's the only reason I'd get in. But yeah, I doubt that's going to happen. Well, stranger things have happened. They have. But thank you to whoever put me on there and whoever's been voting. Yeah. It's running something thumbs up.

There's no need to thank me. You're very welcome. But if we did... Just staying at home, just clicking all day. If we did get on that right, it's not the be all end or who cares, but that would help this particular show and we'd sell out and that's the dream

that is the dream absolutely sell out to the highest bidder or any bidder ultimately yes yeah

exactly you can find us also at weekly planet pod at gmail twitter facebook that's right exactly

and you know check out the first class thing or don't we're hoping to get another commentary out soon

we're not going to say when or what it is because people will harass us until we do it we're hoping to...

We don't like being cyberbullied, guys. So we'll try, won't we, Mason? Yes. We will. Yeah. And people love the Shia LaBeouf song as well. Oh, yeah. Actual cannibal Shia LaBeouf.

Yeah. It's pretty great. That's good fun, yeah. Oh, you know what? I'm going to mention who sung that because I feel bad that I didn't mention the name of the guy. I'm going to quickly Google it. Yeah.

Someone said on Twitter to me, they said, listen, how many times have people asked you about the... Actual Cannibal Shia LaBeouf. Yeah, and nobody has actually brought it up before. Like, it's just something that I knew that I just neglected to mention, but nobody had mentioned it. Music by musician Rob Cantor. Oh, he does that thing at the moment where he does like 29 impressions in one song.

And it's really... He's got some skills some skills that guy there you go yeah actual cannibal all right that's the show mason got anything else that's it just get out there guys get out there embrace it whatever it is big time yeah pun of the apes okay bye fx is the veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX is the Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.