The Weekly Planet - 42 Dawn Of The Planet Of The Apes & Andy Serkis Oscar Contender

Episode Date: July 14, 2014

This week we discuss the latest DC rumours concerning Doomsday appearing in Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice, Transformers crossing over with G.I. Joe and Brandon Routh's triumphant return to the world of live action comic books. Plus we break down Dawn Of The Planet Of The Apes! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Visit heartandstroke.ca. Red Hot Comic Book Movie News Shooting up your butt hole Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet, official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com. My name is James, editor at ComicBookMovie.com. You may know me as Mr. Sunday. With me as always is my co-host, Nick. Middle name, I don't know, Mason. How can you not know my middle name at this point?

What's my middle name? Touché. There you go. Yeah. I'm going to bleep that out though. Of course you are. Yeah. Because it's a dumb middle name. Yeah. All right. What's going on?

On to the news. On to the news. Yeah. On to barely the news, roughly the news. That's the one. The news. We should probably just call it the news. With a Z? Yeah. Because it's cool. Yeah. Barely the news with a news. Yeah. On to barely the news. Roughly the news. That's the one. The news. We should probably just call it the news. With a Z? Yeah.

Because it's cool. Yeah. Barely the news with a Z. Nice. Yeah. All right. Well, Mason, did you know that the lineup for San Diego Comic Con, the biggest, arguably, Comic Con event of the year.

Uh-huh. There's a few ones. There's the New York one. We have one here, don't we? Oz Comic Con. I don't go. I don't go. Two days down the end of the

Central Business District Of Melbourne It looks shit This year Both the Ashmoors were there Sean Ashmoor Aaron Ashmoor Oh my god

Iceman The other one The other one Who's in something Maybe Animorphs Yeah that's Maybe he's in that Yeah

Look I'll tell you what though They're probably both in Animorphs We should have a new segment Called Maybe Aaron Ashmoor Where we have to guess what he's been in. I bet they're both in Animorphs, though, because there would have been a scene where there's two Aaron Ashmores. Right. Because there's always morphing in Animorphs.

Yeah, that's true. Maybe an alien's morphed into an Ashmore. Yeah. And they're like, which one's the real one? Yeah, good point. Did you know Buffy? Yeah. There's one of the characters Nicholas Brendan

who plays Xander in that show identical twin brother really so there was an episode and again you're right because they always have to take advantage

of that so there's an episode where there's a duplicate and they just get in the twin brother get in Ashmore yeah yeah yeah

they just Ashmore it up well that's the same as Terminator 2 because Linda Hamilton has got a twin sister yeah yeah and that mirror scene where they dig in the chip out of the brain. Yeah, yeah.

Which was deleted and then put back in. You love all the added deleted scenes in Terminator 2. I do not. You said it adds to the cinematic experience. I did not say any of those things. You didn't cry the first time you watched it, then you did the second. Oh, that's actually... Because it brought you to that emotional crux?

Climax. A podgy. Sure. Let's do it, Mason. Okay. So, the lineup has been revealed. Do you want to know the extensive lineup? Okay.

I don't, I didn't do it. Oh. Because it's just like all the stuff. Yeah, yeah, I understand. Interestingly, though, no Fantastic Four. Oh. Trouble in Paradise. Perhaps, yes.

Yeah. I don't know, because there's been lot of rumours that it's stalling and they're looking for new directors and there's trouble with writers and whatever whatever

who knows what of that is true but that's coming out relatively soon or it has to come out relatively soon oh that's right because otherwise

they lose their eyes yeah and also we've recently heard that Marvel are like cancelling all Fantastic Four runs

yeah out of spite yeah they're appearing in other comics but not the Fantastic there's no more Fantastic Four comics for now, that's right. Out of spite. Yeah, they're appearing in other comics. Yeah, yeah. But not the Fantastic... There's no more Fantastic Four comics for now.

Yeah, yeah. As a weird sort of marketing cut-off. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, in the hope... That's weird that they're cutting off their... You know, they're kneecapping themselves. But are they themselves?

Probably not. They're kneecapping Sony. Exactly. Fox. Fox. Yeah, yeah. Whichever. It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. Irrelevant. Well, Mason, it's also been reported that doomsday concept art has been seen by bleeding cool the website oh they said that maybe it was for an early version of this film or maybe there will be a doomsday in the batman versus superman versus justice i hope so much that we've started on the news for the batman Superman Dawn of Justice sequel. Like, so we'll have concurrently, we'll have Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice news and the sequel to that news. Oh, okay.

Running at the same time. Sure. Yeah. Because it's probably... That'll be real good. Do you think it's... Do you think if they... If this is true...

And I also hope that we have Shia LaBeouf news and some sort of parallel universe Shia LaBeouf news running at the same time. That'd be great. That would be amazing. Do you think if it is in Dawn of Justice, that too early when you've got Batman v Superman v Doomsday and you've got Aquaman? It's way too early and you've got Aquaman and you've got Wonder Woman. You've got to also establish Superman as somebody people like. That's true. Before you kill him.

Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah. Yeah, it's way too early. I've said this before what's his name the guy Doomsday not Doomsday

Superman the bloody he wrote Chronicle Max Landis oh that guy he's got a YouTube video where he talks about where people slap him

have you seen that video I have seen that yeah where he was asked to reboot the Death of Superman comic and he thought up

this whole story and then DC pulled the plug on him and that story would be a great beginning to Justice League slash Justice League movie there's some stuff

it's on YouTube just go and look up Max Landis Justice League I mean Death of Superman whatever yeah it's good but there's some things

you'd have to take out but sure do it or don't do it I don't think you could I don't think you could kill him this early on. No, you need to do it in Justice League. I think later than that.

Sure. Much later. His story, though, starts as... It's what brings the Justice League together. And they're all just kind of fighting doomsday. There's no strategy to it. Oh, I see. Right.

And then from that, they're like, maybe we should... Form the Justice League. Okay, right. Form the Justice League. But I would recommend you checking that out, right i will you've recommended before on this podcast and i've said i'm going to check it out and then i don't but we'll see what happens your word means nothing roll the dice roll the dice also i remember that kevin smith thing where it

was like kevin smith wrote a dummy screenplay yeah okay turns out not true okay well he says not true well i mean use the opportunity elaborate double bluff that's it he's he used that opportunity to promote his upcoming projects and whatever. He's like, I'll tell you tomorrow. Tune in. And then he's like, didn't do it, but look at all these things. Look at all these new podcasts I have. Yeah, yeah.

So, you know, like Tusk, he's doing that one about the guy gets turned into a walrus. I do now. Yeah. So. I'll also check that out on YouTube. Yeah, yeah. So, look, people are like, use this opportunity to self-promote or whatever. True.

on YouTube. Yeah, yeah. So look, people are like, use this opportunity to self-promote or whatever. True. But if he didn't do, if none of this is true,

then why wouldn't he take advantage of a situation where people have, you know, put him... Put their trust in him. Yeah, sure. Albert Torres Mason. Yes.

He wrote Henry Poole, or Here is Henry Poole. Okay. Or Henry Poole, Where Art Thou? I don't know. Have you seen it?

No, I have not seen that. Me neither. He's also writing the upcoming Ben 10 movie. Great. Like Ben 10? I'm not really sure what it's about. He's a kid with a watch. He turns into monsters or something?

He turns into monsters. Originally it was 10, or he was 10 years old, or both. Right. And then he had more monsters because of merchandising. Correct. That show made a lot of money. Ben 10 movie where all your previously well-loved monsters were horribly, horribly murdered?

And then they were replaced in short order with a new set? I hope so. Maybe that's what this is. But yeah, Albert Torres, he'll be penning the big screen adaption of Lock and Key. Okay. Which is exciting times. As you're probably aware, and we should have talked about this because we did an episode on canceled-

Locks and Keys. Locks and keys. Locksmithing. We did that locksmithing episode. Absolutely. What was I going to say? Where we were talking about cancelled comic book TV pilots or shows that never made it.

They made a lock and key pilot in 2011. Huh. I didn't watch it. But apparently it's pretty good. It wasn't picked up for numerous reasons, one being cost. I don't know if you've read it, but there's a lot going on there.

There's a lot of special effects and whatnot. So, if this is going to be a movie, that would be great. I would love that. Albert Torres. Yes. Let's do it. Okay. Lorenzo Di Bonaventura. Some sort of producer, right? He produces the Transformers movies.

There we go. That's our movie. And the G.I. Joe movies. Now, Ben York wrote an email uh early this week ben york asking like what do you think about like a transformers gi joe crossover maybe use some minor characters or whatever so you can just retcon it or kill him off or whatever but then lorenzo de bonaventura said i think that it's actually a possibility and i don't but i don't think it's in the near future but it's something um and it's something they haven't talked about yet

because there's stories to be told in both cases. But previously... Stories. We're both doing air quotes. Stories. What Transformers stories have they actually told? Like the ones from the cartoon or the comic book? Yeah, or the comic book.

Like they've taken bits of it, but what actual stories have they told? None of them, I don't think. I mean, there's the cube, and there was the matrix of leadership, so they kind of did the death roll from this Brian. Yeah, I guess so, yeah. But not really. No.

No. So, yeah. They don't really... They have all the stories to tell, I guess. But at the same time, they've been doing well telling no stories, so they're bringing in that cash with no stories, so it doesn't make any difference. It's been 11 hours of no story.

Right, exactly. Would you want to see the G.I. Joes cross over with the... We can make that happen. That's happened before. That's happened in the comic books, certainly. Generation 2. Well, it happened right at the start. The Transformers crossed over with G.I. Joe.

They crossed over with a regular Marvel universe for a bit. Spider-Man teamed up with the Autobots for a while. Oh, cool. And then in Generation 2 when Megatron turned into a big garish green tank. Yes. Bit tacky. Bit tackMan teamed up with the Autobots for a while. Oh, cool. And then in Generation 2 when Megatron turned into a big garish green tank. Yes.

Bit tacky. Bit tacky. Bit on the nose. Bit on the nose. They teamed up again. Oh, great. Okay. Fantastic.

I mean, you know, it'll be as dumb as combining those two franchises together. The G.I. Joe franchise is better. And that is not saying anything.

Does it do well? It does okay. Right. Comparatively, no. But they've got The Rock on board now, and as he calls himself, he is Franchise Viagra, which is true. Yeah, I guess so. So exciting times for franchises we hate.

It's certainly exciting times for fans of things that spin around in slow motion in the air and then just shoot rockets, because there's a lot of that. And whichever one of the Wayans brothers was in that first one and then not in the second one. Let's say it's Marlon. Okay.

Brando. Moving on. It's Marlon Brando. Moving on. Yep. Exciting news for Brandon Routhmason. He's been cast. Wait, is it exciting news for us or it's just exciting news for Brandon Routh?

Both. Both of them. Okay, great. Brandon Routh for those people obviously, everybody probably knows this. He's Dylan Dogg. He was Dylan Dogg. Italian comic book superhero, Dylan Dogg. He was Dylan Dogg, Dead of Night.

That is his full name, right? That's correct, yes. Yeah. Señor, Dylan Dogg, Dead of Night. But did you enjoy that movie? Yes. Did you really enjoy it? I guess so.

I didn't pay for it or, you know, for my zero dollar investment. Yeah, we watched it. Pretty good fun. It feels like a movie from 2003. Don't you reckon? When did it come out? Maybe it is from 2000, maybe 2009. Right.

10, 11. I don't know. Yeah. Anyway, Brandon Routh is slightly wackier Constantine. Yeah. And he's good though, isn't he? I would say like he's in that Zack and Miri movie. Yeah.

At the start. He's quite good. Of course, he was Superman in Superman Returns, in the much-beligned Superman Returns. He gets the cops a bit of flack because he was just cast because of his similarities to Christopher Reeve. Right. But he's probably the best part of that film, right? Yeah, sure. Oh, well, the Kryptonite Island.

Oh, yeah, also the Kryptonite Island, yep. Anyway! That scene where Lex L luther's hench woman is in a car and that's careening out of control she's like yeah that's pretty good yeah okay so he's the third best part of that he has been cast as ray palmer the atom there you go in the upcoming flash tv series okay cool. People say Fall from Grace, right? I would say Sideways.

Sideways. Yeah, because what not to discredit him but he hasn't been doing much movie stuff. Right, exactly. And I think he's a big enough presence

where if he's good in this show he could spin off into an Adam TV series. TV series, yeah. And the Adam also I like, do you like the Adam? Yeah. He's the best part

of the Dark Knight Strikes Again comic, I feel. Absolutely. Yeah. So now the third best part of Superman Returns is becoming the best part of the character from Dark Knight Strikes Again. Yeah, yeah. From the worst Batman, future Batman spinoff.

Great. Let's just email it. Let's record this and then we'll email that directly to him we'll tweet it at him yeah see what his reaction is absolutely yeah yeah because if you remember that comic he is living inside a petri dish that's right and he's been there so long or whatever he doesn't realize what's happening in the world and yeah it's great it's really good yeah that part only uh-huh oh also cj uh cj sharp says any thoughts on this c CJ Sharp is the official Mrs. Doubtfire of this podcast. Fantastic.

Which is ridiculous because you've put on all this Mrs. Doubtfire makeup and prosthetics. Hey, look, what I should have done is before trying to get my kids back in a wacky scenario and before I lit my blouse on fire and had to run around putting it out with saucepans or whatever it is, I should have piped up right at the start of this and said, I'm claiming that. Absolutely. But it's too late.

So, whatever, it's fine. Damn it. Yeah. So, you're okay with it, obviously. Yeah, he does look quite similar to John Barrowman. Okay, yeah. Who's already on that show.

No, no, this is The Flash. Oh, okay. Right, right, right. Okay, I'm a little different then. But yeah. Forget I said anything. Sure, gotcha. All the CW TV shows blend together

They do don't they Yeah Yeah okay I'm on board Cool He's very Like he's very Like he's a very large presence He is

Like he's very tall Yeah he is Yeah yeah Okay that could work Sure I'm sure he's He's probably taller than Grant Gustin

Sure Yeah maybe they'll use Perspective tricks But how tall is he supposed To be in the comics Just a regular guy Yeah that's what I thought Yeah yeah

Yeah I mean And the original Adam's Quite short He. Yeah. I mean, and the original Adam's quite short. He's like five foot three. It's the size of an atom. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Look, all I'm saying is

I don't think he can get the six foot four Brandon Routh and shrink him down to a subatomic size. Okay. I find it unrealistic. I think we could agree on that. Thank you.

All right. Robbie Amell, cousin of Stephen Amell. Yeah. He's joining the Flash as Anton Raymond, the Firestorm. Oh, right, right. Okay, yeah. I said that wrong, I think.

You threw me off there because I didn't know his name. Okay, yeah. Yeah. Firestorm. Okay, I'm on board with that. I would like to see a Firestorm. Tell me some Firestorm stuff. Well.

First of all, how good is TV Fire CGI? Real good. I love it when it's just doing its fire stuff and you can clearly see just regular stuff happening sort of directly behind it, like not burning at all because it's terrible CGI fire. So that's not going to be good.

So basically, in the original Firestorm, there were these two guys. One was a scientist and one was like a cool teen, right? Yeah. And there was this atomic accident and they were fused together in this one guy firestorm right

but then it turned out ah it's real dumb that's horrendous that's a horrendous origin so they so they you guys melted together they melted together

into firestorm and then it turned out that one of them it wasn't an accident it was like in the DC universe there are any given time, there are four elementals. Yeah. And one of those guys was destined to be Earth's fire elemental.

And so basically he turned into like, because he used to be the nuclear man. And then he became like- From Superman 4? No, different nuclear man. Firestorm the nuclear man. Sorry. Sorry to get your hopes up there. And then, hang

on, so then the one guy took off on his own and he became this earth elemental guy and he was all like, oh, the environment, because it was the 90s. I know, right? We've talked about My Hatred for Captain Planet before, haven't we? Yeah, yeah. That's right. I've got a video in progress on it. So, yeah, go on. Yeah. And then he got rebooted like six times six times, and now he's the Nuclear Man again. Great. Yeah.

Well, I hope all that comes into play. So, for a while, what he could do, like, in one of the reboots is he could, like, there was this one guy, and whenever he wanted to become Firestorm, he would, like, high-five, like, another dude, or, like, a girl, or whatever, and they would join together, and he would have nuclear powers and whatever their skills were. and they would join together and he would have nuclear powers and whatever their skills were. So if he teamed up with a nuclear physicist,

he could do crazy science, nuclear stuff. That's pretty cool. So if he high-fived Mrs. Doubtfire, he'd be like a 45-year-old man just trying to get his kids back. And nuclear fire. Yeah, yeah. Mrs. Doubtstorm, they'd call him.

So good news. It looks like they're really expanding that universe. Yeah, yeah. Mrs. Doubtstorm, they'd call them. So, good news. It looks like they're really expanding that universe. Yeah, absolutely. Why? Because a lot of shows make the mistake of... I thought you were

going to say, why? Why bother? A lot of shows make the mistake of not including comic book characters. And we'll talk about

the same thing happened with Constantine. The woman in the Constantine pilot, which we'll talk about a bit later, somebody wrote in a question about it, she's not a character from the comics and

they're basically writing her out and replacing her with somebody who's in the comics okay good just use the comic book characters why wouldn't you you've got decades of lore that you can you've got all the backstory you've got all the relationships people appreciate it like i don't i don't know who everyone is right about but i don't know much let's be honest but like i appreciate little nods to people or then i go and look at that character and go oh that's actually somebody who's existed that's what they seem to do in a lot of media now and it's weird because it's it's counterintuitive at this point is they're like they want to put in a reference and then they go actually we'll take that reference out because kids won't understand what it is yeah but everybody's got a phone

especially a TV property or whatever if you hear a name that you don't recognise you just google it and then you know immediately exactly

back in the day we had to open up the Encyclopedia Britannica probably wasn't even in there exactly Kim Kardashian probably not in there you know

probably yeah yeah that's why I like shows that don't hold your hand through it like your Breaking Bads or your Game of Thrones. I know they're like, the show, they're like the standard shows that people say are great shows. But it's not like, oh, I remember this guy, this guy was this and this and this.

It's just like, keep up, idiot. Like, pay attention. That's how it should look. Anyway, whatever. Who cares? Where were we? What's going on? Firestorm.

Firestorm, great. Whatever. It's good. I mean, because they did, I'm not sure how they're going to do his origin, but they did in Arrow, they did have the Star Labs particle accelerator just explode all over the city. So it would be very odd if the Flash was the only person

who wasn't affected by it. Well, I haven't seen the Flash pilot, as you know. Have you seen it yet? No, I haven't. Both of us haven't seen it, wink. You've definitely seen it, though. You keep saying that... I've, I haven't. Both of us haven't seen it. Wink. You've definitely seen it though. You keep saying that. I've never admitted to it.

You have. And I never will. Okay, fine. Yeah. It's, it's, it's said in that apparently that multiple people get powers across the town. So yeah. That's good. That often happens in a show.

They do it in Supernatural where they're like, all the demons are out of hell. It's like, well, that's the next season taken care of. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Yeah. So yeah. Also Firestorm has has like a big he looks like this torch from the statue of liberty yes he's got big flaming head so boy does that's gonna look great isn't television do you think a lot of it's gonna be him not having that mostly yeah yeah exactly i reckon he'll do it like maybe when he's flying okay maybe yeah yeah i reckon he'll just have a glow about him. Sure.

You know, because he's pregnant. TBCGI is getting better, though. Arguably. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've just got here, Mason, because I want you to explain this. Christopher Nolan question mark? Oh, jeez.

So, he said something, didn't he? Well, we discussed this before the podcast, because I said, oh, there's this news about something. Christopher Nolan wrote an article like an like an editorial piece yeah in in the wall street journal yeah yeah but neither of us could quite puzzle out what it was he was saying is that because we're too dumb for the wall street journal probably yes almost certainly but it was kind of like media is changing i've even got the dumb version here that's on upproxx, which is like the version for idiots.

And I'm still not quite sure. But basically, he wrote an article in the Wall Street Journal. And it's basically, you know how people are always saying that going to the cinema is kind of a shared experience. Yeah. But now that TVs are getting bigger. Yeah. And you can just download anything you want immediately that people are just going to stay home. And what he's basically saying is that movie making won't be an experience anymore.

It'll just be content like a tweet or a Facebook post or whatever, like streaming media. And people won't care anymore. I think what he's basically saying is the magic will go and he'll be out of a job. That's basically what he's saying. But he also says, probably in this thing that I read. Yes. You've made more sense of that than I could. That, you know, there's always been challenges like, you know,

and cinemas have always adjusted. Like, now they've got widescreen and surround sound and 3D, but that sucks, you know. Well, based on my recent experience, what they've done to adjust and bring me back to the cinema is charge me $26 to see Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. So... Not a fan.

Yeah. But yeah. I guess he's right, though, because that's where it's going. But I don't know whether it will diminish content. Because people still appreciate good content. I mean, what he's saying is that nowadays you can go to the cinema and see a cool indie film or whatever. Yeah. But that if we go to this instant content kind of medium that people will not be interested in those anymore.

Yeah. I don't know if that's true, though. Well, that's it. Didn't you also say that then also the profit, like the weekends, the cinema weekends will be driven by what's a popular movie so if your movie comes out friday and doesn't do well yeah that will then get replaced by whatever the popular movie was the previous week okay so yeah god we didn't we we should have done more research on this look all i'm saying is christopher nolan said some stuff during in and you know it just so happens that soon one of his movies will be coming out that's yeah well that's it.

Yeah. And he's probably British, but I think he's not British. I think he is British. I'm pretty sure he's from like Boston or something. Oh, God. Is it British? Hang on, let me find this. I'm just looking it up.

What we should have done, though, is just made the reference and let our listeners look it up. As always. British-American film director. Yes, yes, yes. Early life. Jeez, Wikipedia is great. Yes, yes, yes. Early life. Jeez, Wikipedia's great. Okay, he was born in London. Yep.

His childhood was split between London and Chicago. Okay, so he's not from Boston. But there you go. Yeah. But they're all... Boston and Chicago are in the same country. That's right? That's absolutely true.

Chicago, the windy city. The windiest city. So, so, just windy. So, god damn windy Sure is Mason You go there for a deeper dish pizza And you You get caught in those windy roads

Never get your way out Alright alright Okay Now I'm closing that tab About Christopher Nolan And let's never speak of it again I'll cut that out Great Alright I just want to quickly say speak of it again. I'll cut that out.

Great. All right. I just want to quickly say, Mason, before we launch into Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. Yep. Dotpoter. Dotpoter.

Dotpoter and Rotpoter. It's a little bit confusing. Yeah, yeah. I think I stole that from Red Letter Media because they said it for Rotpoter a few years ago because I re-watched their

review of Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Rotpoter? Yes. Sure. Because I'm waiting for their review of Dot Pota. But speaking of, they're like... The WatchMojo list.

I just want to quickly touch on this. People have voted. It's a top YouTube critics. Uh-huh. Best 10. So the top critics of YouTube. Yeah. The video service.

Yes. So would you say that means something or nothing in life? You're a friend of mine. Something. Thanks, man man it's unrelated i just thought i'd say those two things together just to save a bit of breath sure yeah it definitely means something great thanks man um but yeah thank you to all those who voted for that and if you want to still do that do that because i'm now in the top 10 mason yeah so if they do make a video i don't know how it works or what's the determining factors of that. Uh-huh. Is it a certain number of thumbs up? Way up.

Way up indeed. But yeah, so there's some good people on there. You know, your Jeremy Janzes, your Chris Stuckmans, your Red Letter Media. Uh-huh. Do you like Red Letter Media? Yes. They should be number one, right? Probably.

They put a lot of work into those. Yeah, yeah. I just feel like there's a lot of guys on the internet, and this isn't any of the top 10, but a lot of guys just jump-cutting opinions at everybody. And some people do it better than others, like Jeremy Johns does, and he does a good work, but too many people have copied that. Right. Do your own thing, and Red Letter Media have, which is why they're our guests next week.

Oh! Not really. Not really, no. No. So yeah, thank you to that. And thank you to... Oh, I also wanted to talk about the X-Men First Class commentary. Oh, yeah!

Just wanted to give some quick shout-Men First Class commentary oh yeah just wanted to give some quick shout outs to these people who donated if you go to theweeklyplanet.bandcamp.com Mason I will

you can download sorry our X-Men First Class a series a series yeah thus far all Marvel movies oh yeah

well we're going to do one soon hopefully which I talked about last week which we didn't do during the week but hopefully we'll do it at some point

yeah Till Alston Lincoln Proctor and Lance Becker gave $5. That sounds like a legal team. Say it again. Till Alston, Lincoln, Proctor, and Lance Becker. Yep. Does sound like a legal team. Alston, Proctor, and Becker.

Yeah, that's right. So good. Ben Griffiths, $10. Ooh. Sophie Ryan, she did the same, but she did it from last month on a previous one. So I forgot to shout her out. Love it. Thank you.

Scott Foreman gave $15. Hendrix Hobson, $20. And Kevin Ely, $60. Kevin Ely? That guy, man. He gives us too much money. And Kevin, if you're listening, I assume he'd be listening, right? Maybe he's not.

Maybe he's just an eccentric millionaire. Yeah. I'm happy to refund that. But he said, I curse you both to live out an eternity in that damn windowless box. Keep up the good work. Love it. So yeah, what a good guy. So we really appreciate that.

And any donations or even people listening is much appreciated. Yeah, listen for free. There was a whole lot of dollar ones, like a whole list of them. Cool. Which I'm sorry, I'm not going to go through because it would just be like listing names.

You should though. We'll do it now. Bradley turning to... Tell you what, I'll leave. We'll finish the podcast. I'll leave. Get a sandwich. You can do that additional work

after I've left. Great. All right. FX is the Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London.

One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Well, we're here, Mason, this week to talk about Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. Or as I call it, Rot-Pota. The way we're going to do this this week, Mason. He just gave himself the thumb. This guy.

Yeah, this guy. Thumbs this guy. Now, as we always do this uh we're gonna go non-spoilers then we'll go spoilers okay

by the way I should emphasize I wanted to put in opening numbers and whatever but we're recording this on the Friday so we'll probably

miss some great news as Mason it's gonna be great news yeah somebody's probably crashed their Ferrari yeah

Christopher Nolan probably crashed his Ferrari into an IMAX camera probably Brandon Ralph probably crashed

into Brandon Routh. And then it turned out he was invincible all along. That's why he was cast. Looked a lot like Christopher Reeve. Involuntable to everything except Kryptonite. That's amazing. You've done something. Sure have.

So yeah, we're going non-spoilers. Okay. But it's looking like also, sorry, this is going to do... And we'll say clearly spoilers. But it looks like this is going to do big business, Mason, hollywood it'll knock transformers off the top spot presumably you'd hope you would hope it took a big dive in numbers last week transformers but it still beat that melissa mccarthy comedy that came out the heat from several years ago yeah it somehow narrowly nudge that out. So, yeah. What did you think, Mason? Wow. Of Rotpota.

This guy. Dotpota. Yeah, I know. Thank you. Yes. I enjoyed it. Yes. Wow, that's good.

Yeah. Spoiler time. No, it's not. There's more things we've got to talk about. Good night, everybody. There's more things we've got to talk about. I did on my review, so I think people are tuning in.

They probably want to hear your thoughts, Mason. Okay. Because I did some things okay on about it no I don't mean that wasn't supposed to be an insult I meant as in

wow I can take anything I want as an insult and that's where I've chosen to take everything you've ever said as an insult that came out real condescending

but it was not supposed to be the story yes now did you think it was an improvement on the previous story ah because I know you weren't wrapped with some of the story because you were like shut up was an improvement on the previous story ah because I know you

weren't wrapped with some of the story because you're like shut up James Franco and you're like the apes will be killed immediately the virus was a

very convenient kind of plot point yes and all that kind of stuff I feel that the plot in this was a little bit by the numbers okay sure

like we I feel that they knew where the end game was going to be yeah and then they had to work backwards to get there the end game was going to be and then they had to work backwards to get there. And so they needed to be, without giving anything away, they needed to be the requisite betrayals

or the out of alliances or what have you. And then they needed to fall apart or what have you. To build to the finale. Yeah, to build to what we know is, which, you know, to shoot out. It's in the trailers. Yeah, it's in the trailers. So, yeah. Yeah, I thought it was great.

I mean, you know what, we'll talk about this a bit later. But there was a kind of a sense of tension, did you feel, through the whole building up to that kind of battle? Like it was an uneasy kind of... Yes. A little bit too long, I thought. There was a... Like I said,

there's the requisite alliances and betrayals, what have you. I reckon there was at least one round too many of those. Yep, I completely agree. I think that you could have chopped out... Yep, a round of that. It was 130 minutes or something, right?

Yeah, yeah. Could have chopped out 20. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Could some of them be credits? Credits? Apes? You know what... They credits? Credits, apes.

They could have chopped out some apes. You know what they probably could have cut out? The bit at the start. Though I understand why they needed it, where they showed the world map. Kind of like, and the virus is spreading, and now it's in this country. Because that was essentially a rehash of what happened in the credits of the last film. Exactly. And I understand why they did it. Because I was with a friend of mine when I saw it.

And he said, oh, that was an awesome opening or whatever but you know I understand why it's necessary but how many times have you seen like in a movie like they show

a world map and a virus is spreading or a zombie outbreak or whatever like we've seen a lot of that but then leading into that every Resident Evil film

it just sweeps across the world again like every film and everything's a desert or an ice yeah yeah like is the world a desert

in Resident Evil or is it not at one point the entire world became a desert and then in the next film it was in a city again I think

yeah it didn't parallel universes probably sure would you rather zombie apocalypse or monkey apocalypse if you had to live in one

so monkeys are just killing yeah monkeys or primates So monkeys are just killing? Yeah, it's plants. Monkeys or primates? Because monkeys are small. Okay, it's the Planet of the Apes Apocalypse or the Resident Evil Zombie Apocalypse. Are all the apes just out to get us? Or are there some that are like, Eat with us, James.

You are family now. There's some like that, yes. That one. Yeah, okay. So the dawn of the Planet of the Apes universe. Look, you'd probably... I think you're less likely to be horribly torn apart. Somewhat.

Though the zombie apocalypse, depending if they're fast or slow, would be easy to survive. Slow zombie apocalypse, easy. So you're right, exactly. You can even walk amongst them. Yeah. You can just pretend to be a zombie. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

So there you go. I don't understand how anybody gets snuck up on a zombie in that Walking Dead show. It happens all the time. Like, they'll be in a forest and they'll turn around and the zombie will be

right behind them. Like, ugh! Yeah. It's like, you would have heard that. Right, right, right. Dumb show. Dumb show.

Wasted opportunity. Haven't seen it. It's alright. It's okay, great. Yeah. Where were we? Plos. Oh, well, yeah,

but after that opening scene, and this isn't a spoiler, because this is in a trailer, you get a shot of Caesar. It starts up close, his eyes, and it pulls out, and you really just see how good the CGI in this movie looks. As I said in my review,

to its credit, you just don't think about it. Well, I didn't think about it anyway. That's actually very true. There wasn't a rubbery bit where it jumped, and I'm like, because there was a bit of that in the other one. Yes, exactly. You mean the 1968 one.

That's... Yeah. Terrible CGI. There's... No, and I think we have reached the era of CGI where you only notice if it's bad now. Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

Like, for all their many, many faults, the Transformers movies the transforming effect is generally pretty flawless yeah it was only in the new one with that weird blocky blocky break apart transforming effect that you notice that it's really like that is that is they're just they're just testing that out yeah and it's not working it sucks it clearly does not look like a real thing happening in the real world. Yeah. But these monkeys are flawless. Yeah. Again, we know they're not all monkeys.

Yes. But we're just going to say whatever comes into it. All the zoologists listening, look. Shut up. Thank you. I didn't want to be the first to say, I didn't want to be the first to insult the zoologists on this podcast, but there it is. Bigger zoologists would be awesome, don't you reckon?

Yeah. I mean, I know I just told them to shut up but you're out of the club seems like a good job yeah yeah like little things like hard to get right eyes yep mouth obviously and teeth are really hard to get right have they used actual eyes no i was gonna say have they deliberately done the green flecks in the eyes yeah because that's the carryover from the no i know that but i mean have they invented that for the movies because they it's it is that difficult to in the eyes. Yeah, because that's the carryover from the... No, I know that, but I mean, have they invented that for the movies? Because it is that difficult to get the eyes right. Oh, yeah, it's possible.

So they've gone, well, if we tweak them a little bit, you won't expect them to look so real. I thought you were going to say they just use it in Andy Serkis' actual eyes. Did they? I don't mean, like, pull them out. I mean, you know what I mean, right? Yeah. It's possible, sure. Caesar looks like Andy Serkis, don't you think?

He does, yeah. Or the mannerisms, you can see him in it. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Which is a credit to his performance and whatever. But even things like wet matted fur. Yep, exactly. Stuff like that. Like hands.

Even the face paint. The war paint, yeah. It's all... It looks incredible. And that opening shot where they're hunting is amazing. So, yeah. My brother as well, who I also went with he kept banging on

about the orangutan. Oh yes. How good the orangutan is. Maurice the orangutan. But he does look good. In the cinema whenever the subtitle said Maurice

I went woo woo. I didn't. I thought it though in my head every time. Great song. Yep. Yeah.

What do you think of them as characters the apes? There was obviously more ape characters in the first one and the ones that were there were more defined. Yes. What do you think of them as characters, the apes? There was obviously more ape characters in the first one, and the ones that were there were more defined. Yes. Did you like that?

You hate characters in movies, though, don't you? All the characters. You like robots that break into cubes and then form into cars. Yeah, absolutely, and then roughhouse with one another. Yeah. I think they were good. I think the fact that they were CGI, the fact that they were apes and amazing looking...

It was motion capture because each of them was a person. Right. I think that they were good, but I think they are kind of stock characters for a drama. Sure. And we will forgive that because they're apes and they look so good. Sure. And we will forgive that because they're apes and they look so good. The fact that you go, wow, it looks like they've trained intelligent apes to do this film. Yeah. Forgives the fact that they're kind of cliched a little bit.

Okay, fair point. I thought as well, they scarred up Caesar's son. Yep. So you'd be like, oh, that's Caesar's son. Yes. Because the ones who were the characters, you could tell them apart. They're all distinctive. Yeah.

Like Cobra from the first film. Exactly. He has the chip out, the chunk missing from could tell them apart. They're all distinctive. Yeah, yeah. Like Coba from the first film. Exactly. He has the chip out, the chunk missing from his ear and he has the scar down there. The scar in his eye. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, terrifying. But what I've got here, what did you think of Coba? Yeah, terrifying.

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. He's the worst kind of whatever he is. Correct. Yeah, yeah. Like, I thought maybe, you know, I'll talk about that later. Don't worry about it.

Oh. But yeah, he himself was great. The guy who played him, Toby Kebbell, he's going to be Doctor Doom. So yeah, different guy who did it in the first one. But you could watch these movies back to back and they flow together pretty well. The Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Yeah, well, I re-watched Rise of the Planet of the Apes that day and then I went to the Oh, really?

Okay. Did you appreciate it more the second time or less? Less. Sorry. Well, you watched it twice in a week, didn't you Club. Oh, really? So, yeah. Okay. Did you appreciate it more the second time or less? Less. Sorry. Well, you watched it twice in a week, didn't you? I did, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, watching Cobra, like, you can see where Cobra comes from in that.

Yeah, yeah. In that, from that story. So, yeah, I also liked that they didn't speak all the time. Because that would have been opened up and the chimps are like, my God, this is a good hunting trip, isn't it? Yeah, exactly, yeah. What are you up to? The hand gestures and whatever and the sign language.

It's clearly supposed to be Australian on them. But they did... Yeah. They did for the more dramatic scenes, like the larger pieces, they did speak. Yeah. I think it was a case of, for the slower paced stuff, we'll have them sign.

Yeah. But we don't want people to think too hard. Yeah, sure. The big action set pieces or whatever. Yeah, yeah. So we'll have them. That's it. And sometimes they'd throw in a word or whatever. Yeah, yeah. So we'll have them. That's it. And sometimes they'd like throw in a word or whatever.

Yeah, yeah. But also, again, I'm going to talk about that later. Oh, God. Make a note. Make a note of it. Yeah. What are the human characters? Big improvement on the last?

No improvement. That's a good question, actually. What do you think? Well, I thought the main guy was more engaging. Yep, okay. That's Jason Clarke. He's actually Australian. think? I thought the main guy was more engaging. That's Jason Clarke. He's actually Australian. I was going to say.

He sounded very Australian. What I like about that guy is... Well, he's John Connor as well. He's going to be John Connor. Yet another John Connor. Great. Let's take another stab at that. Don't they know that they perfected it with Edward Furlong? Radical Edward Furlong.

Just bring him back. Just bring back Furlong. Assuming he's still alive. Whatever he looks like. Yep. Bring him back. Just bring back Furlong. Assuming he's still alive. Whatever he looks like. Yep. Bring him back. Yep. Yeah, he didn't grow up well.

Yeah, I thought he was more engaging. What I like about him as well, he seems like a real person. Like, I don't buy James Franco as a scientist. Okay, yep. But he seems like... And also, not that he's not a handsome guy or whatever, but he just looks like a guy. Like, they've just got him in this, like, dumb hat and big kind of windbreaker kind of jacket, which is more practical than, like, he doesn't have, like, a cool kind of...

Vest with guns. Yeah, exactly. And he doesn't have the gun on the side of his thigh. Yeah, yeah. They call it the Henny Solo. Yeah, exactly. Like a Henny Solo. Yeah, yeah.

So I liked him. Felicity, I can take or leave. Yeah, probably fine. But she was good yeah yeah i i always hate it when there's a character who is clearly like he's he's the mcguffin and he's the character mcguffin where he's like the the guy who's gonna set things in motion yeah in a bad way and it's that guy whose name i can't recall yeah he's always like there's one on both sides for that yeah you can see it coming from a mile away exactly that was very in terms of like the things that have to happen

in order for us to get to the finale that was the most obvious I think there's a human character who hates the apes and doesn't trust the apes and you know

he's gonna ruin everything yeah that's not a spoiler right we know it's in the trailers as well and he may or may not, though. Yeah. It's a good point.

What do you think of that? This guy. This guy. Well, look, one more thing before we go into spoilers. The world building. Have you ever played The Last of Us? The game The Last of Us?

I am familiar with it. I haven't played it, though. I think it was a PS3 exclusive. It was. You're right. Do you want mine? Yeah, okay. I need it.

You were supposed to say no. It was more of a kind of a gesture than a... No, I definitely wouldn't. I'll have it, though. Fuck. Yeah. And again, I'm leaving first, and you're going to be stuck in here having to read that thing, so I'm going to take it on the way out.

Sure. Yeah, look, it reminded me very much of that, and I don't know whether that's a coincidence, but that was a really good kind of... People say post-apocalyptic, but you can just say apocalyptic. Am I wrong? Yeah, you are, but I would say because the apocalypse is that initial event. Okay, just that event. I would say so, yeah.

Okay, fair enough. So now in DotPoto, we're post-apocalyptic because the virus is done. What's post-post-apocalyptic? Is that where everything's good? That's a good question. Probably like post-ironic. Okay. Where like you're in the apocalypse

and it's pretty... You just have fun, you know? You just enjoy it. Sure. Yeah, you know, maybe it is a little dumb and everybody's dying but just enjoy it while you can.

Just enjoy it. Just don't put a flower in your hand, you know? Just enjoy that. Do you think there's a lot of people hanging out for an actual apocalypse? For real? Yes.

Like a zombie apocalypse or whatever. We may have talked about this before but I think that a lot of real like a zombie apocalypse or whatever we may have talked about this before but I think that a lot of people want a zombie apocalypse because they just want to shoot people

with impunity like people you know people that sort of annoy them in life because that always happens in those movies where

there'll be like a guy giving out parking tickets and they're like eww and then later on that guy's zombie giving out

parking tickets or whatever and they can just blast his head off and everybody laughs you know you're right you're then later on that guy's zombie giving out parking tickets or whatever and they can just blast his head everybody laughs yeah you're right but i think it's yeah and you can and again it's where all laws have been repealed or they just don't apply anymore you can just shoot anybody and be like they were turning into a zombie exactly what are you going to do test that person to see if they had the zombie virus there's no time oh sorry i'm going to shoot you yeah exactly so yeah i'd prefer not to be honest maybe i'd like a day give me a day yeah true yeah but i don't want to kill anybody no is that weird you are you're the odd man out yes okay yeah yeah that's what i just want also i know this is off topic who cares the purge right you familiar with

the purge the movie is that the one where for one day a year there's no laws yeah we're coming out or it's out. I don't know. Keep on purging. Keep on purging. And then everybody's doing the this guy in the poster. But I feel like if there were like no laws, do you think people would just run around and kill each other?

Do you think people would devolve to that? I don't think so. I think because let's say all the rules didn't apply for one day and then you killed somebody's wife or whatever. Yeah. You'd have a year of passive aggression from that guy. You'd have to live next door to that guy. They'd be putting their trash cans out like real meat and they'd stare you down. Yeah, yeah.

And then... Also, they'd try and kill you next year. Yeah. Anyway. I think that film's full of holes. That film I haven't seen. Yeah, sure. The sequel that is soon coming out that I probably also won't see. That. Yeah. Anyway. I think that film's full of holes. That film I haven't seen. Yeah, sure. The sequel that is soon coming out that I probably also won't see.

That's it. Well, that's dragged out the non-spoiler talk enough. Sure has. We got it. Hang on, where did we end up there? What was the last poem we made? The World Building, sorry. Yeah.

Yeah. We didn't actually talk about that. Oh, okay. Did you like it more than you did? What? What? Stop repeating everything I say. Not doing it.

Okay, good. That'd be silly. I actually enjoyed that, you know, there was so much of the city that had been overgrown. Yeah. That looked really, really fantastic. Sure. Was that all CGI? What did they do there?

I think they did a lot of it, yeah. Like the ape village they made and like a lot of that kind of stuff that they put together. You can tell when it's real and not generally. I think it's getting to that point again where you can't tell. If it's bad, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Because you know when you notice a CGI background in Attack of the Clones or whatever. Yeah, absolutely.

You don't really notice it as much anymore. Until they do a zoom shot and you're like, whoa, they did a zoom shot. Is this real life? Zoom shots always take me way out of a movie. Because I'm like, they didn't really get a crane that can go into space. Right. Because they normally go out to space, you know, when they do that zoom shot. Talking about stuff that we don't notice until it's bad.

What did you think of the music? The score, generally? A little... I thought it was kind of... It's like the original. Yeah, I thought it was quite reminiscent of the one from the 60s. They don't use that at the end. That's of the leading up yeah yeah yeah that i mean that was would have been a deliberate stylistic choice absolutely but that that stood out a bit for me

i'm like this is a little too again for a for a while we know where it's gonna go yeah it's a little too wacky i thought but there you go yeah fair point you don't like a homage i do what else was homaged in this were there any apes yeah definitely were there any other references that uh there was not not there was no obvious dialogue yeah it didn't really it didn't allude to the first or that it was going to lead into the first one too much the first one the original too much i mean we'll talk more about that in future okay the future yep of the franchise but i don't think so okay good maybe there was some hints to battle for the planet of the apes which this is sort of based on yes okay but i

haven't seen that in its entirety neither right all right let's move on you watch it when i read it read out those okay great i'll have plenty of time so on your new ps3 yeah absolutely yeah yeah spoiler talk mason okay let's do this. Yeah, I thought the world was great, though. Very convincing. Very run down. I like an overgrown city. Better than the one where Will Smith is a bloody good guy.

Absolutely. A bloody legend, mate. Spoilers, everybody. Yes. Come back at some point, because we'll be doing other things and letters and what we read. Certainly come back to the podcast. Yes.

Like, as a whole. Yes. Like as a whole. Yes. Like download next week's episode. You don't have to. Where we spoil every film you've ever loved but haven't seen for some reason. I didn't think of that sentence before I said it. I just started talking. Yeah.

So, yeah. Sure. First off, I just want to say, there seems to be a habit that they get these big name established actors like Brian Cranston in Godzilla and Gary Oldman in this. Where they're like, Gary Oldman's in it. He's in it for maybe 10 minutes. Right, okay. Maybe 10 minutes.

Yeah, I'm okay with that. Yeah. Wasn't a lot of Oldman in this movie, was there? No, and I think they attempted to get us up to speed and make him sort of a character we can have some compassion to. Like they tried to fast forward that. With the photo? Yeah, like when his iPad finally charged back up again. And he was like, I'm a family or whatever.

And then we're supposed to feel a little bit conflicted when he... He gave us some sweet Oldman tears though. I can cry. Yeah. He can cry and racially vilify people when he's drunk on the streets. Did you spend a little bit of that movie in that ten minutes where you're going,

is he a good guy or is he not at all? Is he insane? Oh well. Oh well, yeah. Yeah, I guess we got crammed. He also said he did Batman if it was pretty much a paycheck. Okay, that's alright.

Yeah, that's fine. It's Batman. Yeah, this is a paycheck for us. Yeah, yeah. Cha-ching. Cha-ching. I'm getting a free PS3. I'm getting a sweet spot on my shelf where I can put something else.

Yes, that's right. Okay, yeah, they did. I didn't feel a lack of Gary Oldman necessarily. I thought he was in there as much as he needed to be. Yeah, okay, sure. Fair enough. And they also sort of... It was through exposition that we learned that him and our main guy founded the city together.

John Connor founded the city together. Yeah, it's fine. It was good enough, yeah. Yeah, it was good enough. Cool. I was interested in your thoughts. You probably got like $3 million for that. I mean, I don't know.

I'm guessing. Right. I want to talk more about the talking as well. Okay. I liked how they didn't know that the apes could talk. Right. Because when you think about it, I didn't realize this going in, nobody would know that they could talk.

Correct. Yes. Because only James Franco, who's dead, who they sort of, there was a brief James Franco cameo sort of. Yep. Footage from the first. And Draco. Yes.

James Frankia. James Frankia. Doesn't make sense. That's the worst. That's the worst portmanteau I've ever done, I think. But I stand by it. Doesn't matter. And Dr draco malfoy heard him talk as well but then he was electrocuted oh yeah so they're the only ones who knew that they could talk and i like that the original the humans were the human characters are like then there's something off about those

right they're they're not normal and then gary albin's like, shut up. Like, they didn't talk. You don't know what you're talking about. And then when they come into the city, which is an amazing scene, when they start talking, everyone starts freaking out. Yeah, yeah. As you would. I thought it was actually, talking of Gary Oldman, I thought he did say, you know, that's impossible, crazy, whatever.

But he didn't do it in a cartoony way. Yeah. Like, often it'll be like, I don't, you know, in this sort of movie, especially, you know, from films from a few years ago. I'd use him in Robocop. Yeah. He's in that quite a bit, sorry.

Right, right. But like, you know, that sort of character would be like, I don't believe you and what's more, I'm cutting, you can't have any

of these guns and I'm cutting security for this whole place because you guys are crazy and we don't need any of this. You know, he's one of those guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Where he just like, you go to him for help and he just ruins everything. He just refuses to, yeah. He makes everything worse for everyone. Which he kind of did in this movie anyway. I guess so, but yeah. But yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Yeah, yeah. Now, we were talking about before how the plot kind of went back and forth.

Uh-huh, yeah. There's betrayals. There's betrayals. You're right, there was one too many betrayals. Yep. Where it was like, there's betrayals. There's betrayals. You're right. There was one too many betrayals. Yep. Where it was like, there's a misunderstanding. And then Jason Clarke would run up a hill in mud and then apologize to Caesar. Would that happen like three times?

Probably, yeah. I reckon it was probably three. Yeah. I mean, I might be wrong, but it seemed like it happened way too much. Cut out at least one. Yeah, yeah. Why did that guy bring that gun? Exactly.

Yeah. You wouldn't. He's that guy who ruins everything yeah you don't do it unless yeah that'd be fair though he didn't start the war so much i mean he kind of it didn't help but cobra was the one that kind of that's true that off did you like his his arc did you think he went crazy for no reason i think he went very rapidly yeah he didn't feel like he had his you know at the end It was clear that he had his own agenda Right yeah

And that he wanted to take over the apes And whatever But it didn't feel like that at the start He felt like they were friends Did you feel that? Yeah you're right Killed that bear Yeah that's true

That was pretty amazing Yeah okay that was pretty good yeah Yeah I mean Yeah but I mean It wasn't Like you said it was a bit fast But still Yeah I mean if you are willing to, you know...

If you ultimately want to... If it's in your heart to take over the ape civilization or whatever, surely you would let Caesar and his kid die. Yeah. If that was your goal from day one or whatever, you'd be like, oh, here we go. I can just turn my head, pretend I don't see this. They'll get killed by the bear and then I, second in command, will take over this.

Exactly. Right. You're right, I think. But then, you know, from... Again, I wasn't forced. Yeah, yeah. Maybe for a super smart ape, he's not the super smartest. Sure.

And, you know, in his agenda changes that went on when he saw that they had the armory. So in a way, he was right. If they hadn't have got that generator up up and running they would have come up the hill and killed them all or tried to kill them right yeah so yeah do you think they put the dam in there because at one point they're going to break the dam and say damn them all to hell do you think that was no absolutely no no no way when i saw the dam i like, I wonder if someone's going to say that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, I'm disappointed. Yeah. I felt that was also kind of a...

That was a little bit of a plot contrived. That was the point. That was how to bring them together. Yeah, yeah. You need something to bring them together. I guess you do. But I mean, it was interesting that they were like, okay, we've done literally everything. Like, everything is connected here.

We've done all the work to power this city. Yep. Except for the, you know, fixing stuff in that drive room or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. Cool. But yeah, it's a mechanism to get them all together. That's fine, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Good CGI baby chimp. Not bad. One of the best I've seen. Sure. You know what? In the battle right the final battle

where not a single person reloads the entire time sure wait let me think a chimp doesn't indeed at all yeah that's true

yeah because that guy's coming in guns blazing two machine guns that's true yeah it's pretty great but nobody ever reloads that's fine

but it's not if they did that say in the 60s, that's a funny battle, isn't it? Absolutely. And it did not look ridiculous. You're right. It was full on.

It was intense. Like chimps and people exploding. Yeah. I mean, for starters, in the 60s, they would have only had the budget for about six monkeys on horses. So... Yep.

It's just embarrassing. Yeah, yeah. And it would have been on a beach in the daytime. Yeah. Yep. It's just embarrassing. Yeah. And it would have been on a beach in the daytime. Yeah. So it would have looked ridiculous. Yeah. Right.

You're right. Yeah. Yeah. And it would have been that sweet child. You can see them. You can see their masks, you know,

under their chin, flapping up and down. You can see the human underneath. Yeah. Yeah. That battle actually went the way at the start, which you said the battle

would go in the last movie. If chimps really attacked humans, they'd just be gunned down right which is what was just happening at the start yeah yeah they were just being

mowed down like in the dozens you know but then the tide somehow turned Cobra he got on that tank and he crashed

he did crash that tank yeah yeah what did you think of that I felt that was a little maybe a little music video-y he wasn't steering that I don't think so no it just kind of happened

hit the gate yeah yeah it was a bit musical video-y but yeah I't steering that. I don't think so, no. It just kind of happened and hit the gate. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was a bit musical video-y. But yeah. I think we're criticising this a lot, but it was good.

I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was one of the better movies I've seen. I think it's a good movie, but I probably wouldn't see it again.

Okay. Like even on home video, probably, because it was a little long. Okay. I've gotten what I need

to get out of it. Sure. See, I would see it again. I would definitely see it again. Okay. Maybe even tonight. Oh. Not tonight. Okay. I've gotten what I need to get out of it. Sure. See, I would see it again. I would definitely see it again. Okay. Maybe even tonight. Oh.

Not tonight. Yeah. I'm busy. Not really. I was going to stay home. Was there any reference? There was no reference to the Mars astronauts or anything like that? There wasn't.

Yeah, a few people have questions about that. Before we get there, Mason. Okay, right, right, right. Marlo Burge Lopez has written in. Yes. And this is what this person has said hello friend yes

this week I saw Dawn of the Planet of the Apes I really enjoyed the movie except for the bit where Ozzy James Franco finds Gary Oldman in the sewer rigging C4

he holds him at gunpoint and they reveal that he's made contact with the armed services from up north via the radio are they bluffing here wouldn't they have told

Ozzy James Franco as soon as he saw them but Ozzy James Franco doesn't think they're bluffing because he warned Caesar about it I understand this is setting up for a sequel

but I think it could have been handled better I think it definitely could have been handled better that would be the first thing you'd say when that guy turned up I didn't even think of that

but he's absolutely right and I thought it was also interesting in a movie that's 131 minutes or whatever it is that he went straight for holding a gun on those people. Yep, sure.

Like, there was no discussion, right? Yeah, yeah. At no point did he say, hey, listen... He just said, I can't let you do that, didn't he? Yeah, yeah. Is that from him? Yeah. Yeah, at no point did he say, before he got the gun out,

did he say, hey, listen, Caesar's up there. He's going to finish this. Maybe give him five minutes to see how it goes he just pulled the gun on them and was like I'm going to I will shoot all of you

yeah maybe they were at maximum Oldman at that point good point like time was running out on his contract yeah yeah

like we've got Oldman for four more minutes they've got the Oldman meter on the wall yeah yeah yeah sure look after this

he's A he's going to we're going to have to stop paying him and he's going to go on one of his trademark Oldman meter on the wall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Sure. Look, after this, A, we're going to have to stop paying him and he's going to go on one of his trademark Oldman rants. And we cannot use any of that. We cannot. Just editing alone. You catch Samuel L. Jackson on a rant, you can put that in. Yeah. But not an Oldman.

No, certainly not. Marlo's got another question, Mason. Okay, I'm ready. Or comment. I'm with the scene where Gary Oldman blows the C4 early, saying something like... A lot of C4-based questions, Marlo's got another question, Mason. Okay, I'm ready. Or comment. With the scene where Gary Oldman blows the C4 early, saying something like... A lot of C4-based questions, Marlo. What's going on there, mate? Are you part of the bloody C4 lobby?

Are you part of Big C4? Are you trying to sell us some C4? Because I ain't buying. You accused me of being part of the Big Salt Company, the other one. Probably. Look, there's a lot of corporations out there trying to get our dollar. Was it Big Salt? Or give us dollar. Yeah, sure. It was Big Ov. Oh, there's a lot of corporations out there trying to get our dollar or give us dollar. Yeah, sure. It was big of.

Oh, that's right. Age of extinction. I don't know. Good point. Are you part of Big Salt? Are you trying to squeeze in a little salt from her there? I do love the movie Salt. Yeah.

Not really. It's why you're always trying to feed me those blocks of salt. Salt in your tea. Yeah. All of it. But there is enough C4 in the place to bring down those blocks of salt. Salt in your tea. Yeah. All of it. But there is enough C4 in the place to bring down the building, and he knows this. Yes. So his death is futile.

I thought it would have been better if he tried to wrestle the gun off Ozzy James Franco and got shot and killed in the process. This way, Ozzy James Franco, being a good man, kind of comes into question, and it just adds a bit more to the plot. Correct. What do you think? I think that would work better, yeah. Instead of wrestling, why not just shoot him?

Wouldn't that put it more into question? Absolutely, it would, yeah. Did he know that that wasn't enough c4 though because i thought that he just did that poorly because he was like this whole tower's coming down but it didn't i was under the impression that they hadn't finished that yet yeah like that was just one of the struts like they put up enough to maybe you know they were like okay we're putting these up and now the plan is to do the rest of them and or maybe there were more teams putting more up okay he only they'd only put that much up yeah sort of cripple the building a little bit but it was sure makes sense makes sense did you like cobra's um diehard style death hans gruber pretty good

yeah yeah because you need even more so than Hans Gruber, you need a very definitive death for an ape. Yeah, yeah. Because even if you drop him from a great height, he'd probably still be alive. Yeah. But yeah, you definitely... He hit that thing and then he went down. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Because Cobra does throw a monkey to his death. Yeah. I think that was very much like, oh, no, he's definitely the bad guy. Yeah. Like, you've got to get rid of him. Because if you don't put that in, he's just a guy who's just taking shots. Oh, then again, he did shoot Caesar.

Yeah, true. Terrible shot. Does he not know where... He doesn't know ape anatomy, obviously. Yeah. I meant also in the fact that Coba threw him off a... Like, Coby threw that ape

Coby Coby Brian was there Coba threw the the ape over the side there yeah you have to be pretty sure of that because that monkey might have just

grabbed a thing and then yeah jumped away yeah right grabbed onto a banana leaf grabbed onto a banana leaf yeah sure do you ever play Donkey Kong

yes on the Super Nintendo yeah it's pretty good isn't it absolutely yeah so yeah I've got some

we'll talk about the future of the franchise before we do that what did you think of it in general would you best movie ever or worst movie ever and how would you rank it

say compared to the other movies over the year but I would I'd love to know what you think of it compared to say Captain America or Spider-Man

or that 300 movie we sort of watched oh sure yeah okay where am I starting here best or worst best you know why apes on horseback firing guns sure you you it's i imagine it's very very hard to pull that off right and not make it look incredibly ridiculous and they managed it so yeah best movie ever in that regard i'd love

to see more behind the scenes stuff on that i love watching like special effects featurettes and stuff and that kind of stuff. I don't like it when like people discuss like you know the boring stuff. Oh sure. But special effects

big one. Yeah yeah. Couldn't think of anything that's boring. The fruit that they had. Title design. Title design. Maybe.

Sure. That scene how about if they were describing the CGI opening sequence the thing. Boring? Love it.

No. Love it. Oh wait with the world nah shut up I thought you meant the bit with the ape and the rain and whatever

cool okay cool I also say best movie ever definitive best movie ever I really really enjoyed it I don't know if it was better than the last it took a different turn

than the last but the human characters I thought were better and I said this in my review like this works because the last one works yep and because otherwise this movie I mean it works, I think it still works on

its own. Yeah. But a lot of this is built off the back, like the characters of Caesar and Cobra are built off the back of. And Maurice. And Maurice, yeah. He's great. Yeah.

I, you know, I did like the unlikely friendship between Maurice and the kid. Yeah. Sharing comic books and such. He's good. He's Australian as well. Yeah, he's good. He's between Maurice and the kid. Yeah. Sharing comic books and such. He's good. He's Australian as well. Yeah, he's good. He's in the road. Oh, okay.

He's really... I hope he does more stuff. Okay. He's good. I had a thought about something. Let me think. Other movies in the year. There we go.

No, I actually thought... I found Rot Pota, by comparison, a little sappy. Okay, sure. I don't think there was anything... Like... Yeah, I don't know. There was nothing wrong with it. I just thought it was a little... Little John Lithgow? Yeah, a little... Yeah. I'm not going to do his voice. Okay, sure. one it's pretty good yeah what about like would you enjoy it say more than like your captain america's or what would you compare it to as movies of this year what's it closest to

a robo i'll give you some movies okay ready robocop it's not like that because there's apes 300 rise of an empire not like that because there's apes dunstan checks in ah it's not like that because in dot poter none of the elevators work. And in Dunstan Checks In, I'm pretty sure it was all elevators all the time. It was at least one. Yeah. No, I think that this was a whole different animal. Hey, hey. But no, I find the Captain America and et cetera just more fun as a general rule.

Yeah. I would go to to depending on what mood I was in I would see a different one I wouldn't it wouldn't be a toss up between it would be a toss up

between Captain America and Planet of the Apes but probably if I was after a fun film Captain America superhero kind of thing I respect your

it was better than Spider-Man though sure yeah turn off the dark yeah yeah yeah great

yeah I would I'd say I'd put it on par with Captain America It was better than Spider-Man, though. Sure. Yeah. Turn off the dark. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Great. Yeah. Yeah. See, I'd put it on par with Captain America. Wow, okay. Different things. I mean, I'd have to see them both again, but yeah. But I think it's been, compared to last year, I feel like it's a stronger year for blockbuster movies.

That's very true, yeah. I mean, I might be wrong, but I'm not. Yeah. Nice. Because even like, because everything that came out i was kind of like yeah it's good like even pacific rim and like man of steel at the time and whatever else came out like iron man 3 and thought the dark world they're all fine yeah but i feel like this year is a better year for film blockbuster films anyway i think you're probably right though all those films are

a lot of those films in 2013 were okay yeah that, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The Future, though, Mason. Lewis Hurd has written in very aggressively. Oh. No. Steady on, Mace. He says, do you think the threequel is going to be called Age of the Planet of the Apes? I hope so.

They get an of in there. Get an of in there. It's my favourite. Yeah, that's right. Get an of in there. So, yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. I'd prefer it if they didn't. Yeah, yeah. That's my favourite. Yeah, that's right. Get it off in there. So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. I'd prefer it if they didn't. Yeah, yeah. That's where everything's going these days.

Yeah. Well, some people are saying, I want this to lead into the Charlton Heston one. Right. Other people are saying, I want this to be an extended version of this. If you go Charlton Heston, you go into the future, thousands and thousands of people. Caesar's dead. Caesar's dead. Exactly.

All the characters. Pope is real dead. He's so dead. Unless he comes back as a ghost. Oh, yes. Caesar's dead. Caesar's dead, exactly. All the characters. Pope is real dead. He's so dead. Unless he comes back as a ghost. Oh, yes. That's fine. I'll be happy with that. Yeah, exactly.

Which do you want to see? Do you want to see a Charlton Heston one? No, I think it's not clear at this point, but I don't think they're in the same universe. Oh, I don't think so. No, I think they've established this. They've definitely rebooted this. Yeah.

the same universe oh I don't think so no I think they've they've definitely rebooted this yeah I would like to I think the the threequel should be

somewhat further in the future like a few more years yeah and most of humanity is gone and those astronauts

come back okay so it would be it would be original Planet of the Apes esque yep or maybe it's

the apes it's maybe it's a decade later or something. How long do apes live? Oh, I'm sure it's different because they're whatever. Exactly. So you could set it 50 years in the future. Yeah. So he's still alive somehow.

Yeah. He's quite old. Yeah. So we could still have that character. Maybe not 50 years. That's crazy because then the astronauts would be dead. Wild time. See, I don't think they...

It's not a time-travelling kind of thing, is it? Yeah, it's not a time traveling it's not a time travel yeah it's not a time traveling kind of universe i reckon if you said it 10 years let's say they go to mars i don't know how long it takes to get to mars get your ass to mars there we go let's say it's three years to get to mars they stay there for a couple of years yeah three years back it's like eight or nine ten years in the future they've come back they've lost communications they've lost communications it's enough time for their to the apes to spread out a lot further yeah maybe they maybe the astronauts land not anywhere near san francisco but just somewhere in the midwest or something like that and they can't find any humans but they find a lot of apes okay and

it's a classic fish out of water comedy you know what I mean so you don't think they'll go because it's sort of alluded to in this that this is going to go all out war in the next one

oh okay right right yeah that's a good point do you want to see an all out war apes human war kind of thing ah you know actually maybe

if they're going to stretch this to four films yeah and then this is doing well this will go forever right right it's the new it's like the new Planet of the Apes franchise.

Okay, how about this? All-out war ends in a nuclear strike. Most of humanity is wiped out. In the fork wall, astronauts come back. Sure. That would totally work for me. Print it. Cut it, print it.

That's right, we did this. We did it again. Good stuff. I would like to see Jason Clarke again, though. Yeah, okay. I think he was good enough that you could put him back in things. Yeah, yeah. He's it again. Good stuff. I would like to see Jason Clarke again, though. Yeah. I think he was good enough that you could put him back in things. He's going to be John Connor. Absolutely, yeah.

And he'd be like, listen, General, the monkeys, the apes, they're intelligent, blah, blah, blah. And the General's like, I don't believe you. Lock this man in the brig. Switch off all the landmines. Bring the gate down. Bring the gate up. It's fine. That was pretty much Terminator Salvation, wasn't it?

Yeah, it absolutely was. Terrible. Well, Mason, this is probably your favorite section of when I do a review. Yeah. YouTube comments. Oh, yes. Where I take some YouTube comments that people have written. Yep.

Ones that, let's just say, they're worth commenting on. Uh-huh. Okay? Yep. Oliver Child says, I said in the review that there's a bit where chimps are firing machine guns and it's great. Oliver Child says, Cobra is a bonobo, not a chimp.

But Vadim86738 says, A bonobo is a type of chimp. I don't know whether that's true. You know what? It sounds like it is. Don't engage. Just let those two fight it out on YouTube. Absolutely, I am.

Yeah, yeah. Keep us updated next week if they've kept arguing. Get a bookmark in that. Put a pin in that. Next week we'll come back. Some go forever. Yeah, absolutely. I very rarely intervene.

But some just go for a very long time. I'm enjoying that so far. Like weeks. Yeah. There's a few running feuds on some of my videos. Keith Lindsay one says why don't you kill yourself

haha yay why don't you and that's directed at you right yes and that's all he says I double checked

I'm like did he was it a comment on a comment no I went to the video it was there great so I get

because I get an email every time I get a comment yep so I read them so you've got that so you've got that in multiple formats I got that And I went

Hmm interesting I wonder if he directed that at me Went there Definitely at me He wants me to kill myself Not specifically Why Yeah just do it

Why don't you He's wondering Has he commented on anything else of yours Did you check Oh I should check No I haven't I can do that now Yeah check real quick

We'll wait around Because Maybe he just comments on everybody's video Why don't you kill yourself maybe he's part of some sort of weird death cult okay well that's fair i'm okay with that yeah or maybe he's looking for inspiration that makes me feel worse why don't you kill yourself and you're like because i make fun videos with people and he's like oh yeah embrace the day you know i'm just looking through some comments here it's just people arguing i just got a whole lot of people

arguing about Transformers. What have we got here? Let me check. I'm running a search. I'm using technology. With Bing? You know it. Great.

No, there's nothing. Fantastic. He's in and he's out. He's gone. There you go. That's a shame. Maybe I'll check out his page and see what he's done. And next week, we'll start our new segment, Why Don't You Kill Yourself?

We'll call it Keith Lindsay 1, The Exploits of Keith Lindsay. I also got somebody, though this got deleted so I can't find it. I got someone again accusing me that I didn't see it because it's not out.

Right, of course. Came out Wednesday here so we saw it pretty early. But yeah, so I love that. I love it when somebody... Some people accuse me me as we know after it's come out like

well after right like they're like as if you've seen it why would I lie what's I have $26 to spend on this this is my favorite though and I was I showed you this before

the show you did because I was like is this mean to bring this up because he clearly has missed something in the video but then we checked and he hadn't commented on anything else and he's not a subscriber so we're gonna burn him He did. Because I was like, is this mean to bring this up? Because he clearly has missed something in the video. But then we checked and he hadn't commented on anything else. And he's not a subscriber.

So we're going to burn him. We're going to burn him. I said in the... The way my reviews work is, as you put it more eloquently, basically I give everybody the information they need to know about the movie, hopefully without spoiling it. Give my own opinion so you can tell whether I like it. And then for some arbitrary reason, I just name it worst movie ever.

Yeah. Just because. And hoping, like in your Transformers review, you said, I have to give this worst movie ever because there's a character with a gun in his face and he's not called Gunface.

Yes. Right, exactly. And a lot of people lost it. And you would assume that everyone would get to that bit that you're doing and be like, oh, the internet.

But they don't. They're like, the internet? That's right. But I said that it's worse movie because Caesar is named after a pretty mediocre salad. Sure. The Caesar salad. And Ryan Gillette has written, thought he was named after Julius Caesar, not the salad. Yay!

It's not malicious. No. I think he was just trying to be helpful. He's just going to find, he just wants. Yay! It's not malicious. No. I think he was just trying to be helpful. He's just going to find... He just wants more information there. That's okay. Yeah. And also, he gave you the out there.

Yeah. Like, he didn't say, hey, idiot. Yeah. He's named after Julius Caesar if you'd seen the first film. Yeah. He was like, he gave you the opportunity to revise your opinion. So, in many ways, you're the bad guy here. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. You told me to bring it up. I did, because I wanted to paint you as the bad guy yeah yeah not malicious so i appreciate that also thank you to the people who the dozens possibly hundreds of people who wrote really nice things sure so thank you to all those people all right mason you know what it's time for what's it time for what we read in oh yeah maybe i say the what we readin', then you say the what we gonna read. Okay. What we readin'?

What we readin'. They've sung. I'm doing a thing. What are we reading today? All right, Mason. Do you want to go or do you want me to go?

No, you go. I'll go, but you go. Sure. Well, I wanted to... Mine's go but you go sure well I wanted to mine's not monkey related though I wanted to ask you something though yes mine's not themed this week

it doesn't matter neither is mine I'm reading neither is mine ok lock and key I was actually going to bring this up anyway because I brought it up briefly last week

it's a 6 volume comic series it went from I think 2007 or 2000 yeah last year maybe probably I think maybe 2009 not the point Mason right it's, maybe? Probably. I'm thinking, maybe 2009. Not the point, Mason. Right.

It's quite good. It revolves around, have you read any of it? I haven't. People tell me I should though. Yeah, it's quite, and it concludes well. I love reading comics when I know that it's got a definitive end point. Yep. And I know that it ends well.

Well, not even that it ends well, this, that it ends, that there's an ending. Yeah, yeah. You know, and it's a contained thing. But basically, it revolves around this family that goes to this small town, or back to this small town where the parents are from. And in this old house, this kind of Lovecraftian house that they live in. I think the town is actually called Lovecraft.

There you go, okay. So it obviously takes inspiration from some kind of craft, like a basket weaving. I'm not sure. I don't know much about craft. And basically, there's a series of keys that they find, these magical keys that perform different magical tasks. Like one might, you know, turn you into a giant

or one might give you the ability to fly or one might give you the ability to take memories out of people's heads or whatever. It's really... Convoluted's the wrong word, but it's quite in-depth storytelling. But it's very... It's tight

do you know what I mean like it's it makes sense it does that thing that you like where it tells us it has rules and it sticks to the rules

right exactly yes the characters are consistent and you know and interesting and have interesting kind of journeys and arcs and whatever

the villains are quite interesting that turn up in it it's pretty dark and there's a lot of like death and whatnot and terrible things happen to people and whatever.

But I would thoroughly recommend it. If you like something with a little bit of edge, Lock and Key is the way to go. And I'm hoping that this movie comes out because I'd love to see it. I might watch that pilot

at some point as well. Yeah. What have you got, Mason? Well, this is a bit of a plug, actually. Oh my goodness. Not for me. Yeah. You bloody sellout.

I know, right? What are we doing? Well, it's actually something that I am reading am reading uh a friend of mine uh his name is nicholas j johnson okay uh he is uh known as australia's honest con man he's like a uh he's a he's a guy who goes around australia in the world and he he shows people how how people are getting scammed okay and he sort of shows people how to not be scammed. Yeah, yeah. That's a very simple way of putting it. Has he got a way to get out of somebody putting a gun on you?

No. It's not really a scam, though, ultimately, is it? Good point. Yeah. But he's written a novel. It's called Chasing the Ace. Okay. And I went to the launch party the other day

and I got a copy of the book and it's pretty great. And it's sort of about a young guy who's spent his whole life sort of watching, you you know learning about scams and watching sort of you know con man movies and he wants to sort of get into the get like he hasn't he doesn't have any real world experience yeah with it and then he sort of but he wants to get into that game because he it's you know it's a world that kind of excites him sure and then he meets sort of a kind of a guy who is in that world he's sort of burned out on it and they kind of team meets sort of a kind of a guy who is in that world who's sort of burned out on it and they kind of team up.

Sounds like a kind of like the Sting sort of situation. It is a kind of the Sting kind of situation. I love the Sting. But it's super entertaining. Well, I think you should give it a round of applause.

That sounds really good. It's good. It's actually, the Kindle edition is $12 on iTunes. Well. Not iTunes, Amazon. I'm going to download that for reals.

Absolutely. It's real good. Okay. Is there an audio book or do you think there's going to be? There is going to be an audio book. So is it doing well or will it do well? it's been on a it's been on a local bestsellers list okay fantastic yeah but it's out on uh simon and schuster so okay probably get it

what's it called again chasing the ace chasing the ace all right yeah i wanted to ask you another thing mason okay i'm ready last week you brought up ape and the girl no it was angel in the air yeah and i only bring it up because you said something and then I made an every which way but loose joke and then we didn't come back to it. I feel like I want to know what that is specifically. I know you said they're a detective team or something. Correct.

But I feel like I cut that off too short. It's pretty much it. Do you want to look? No, it's fine. Just give me a rough kind of, is it a funny thing? Yeah, it's like a wacky. What world is it set in? It's...

I think... Hang on. Give me one second. I've got time. Yeah, I know you do. You know you could have Googled this, right? Yeah, I know, but I thought you'd do it better. Hey, a guy, the Chris Stockman, the YouTube critic guy.

Yeah. I saw a tweet from him the other day. He goes, people stop emailing me, stop tweeting me questions. I'm not... You could just Google. Right. Yeah. Okay, so Angel, it's one of those ones that was created in the 60s.

And it was wacky only in the way that everything in the 60s was kind of wacky. Like they're a detective team. Because Apes sold comic books. Apes sold comic books, exactly. For some reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Angel is the lady. And Sam Simeon is the ape detective.

Is it explained where he's come from? Where he come from? I think he's from Gorilla Grodd's Gorilla City. Okay, cool. So, it's been a long... He's the... Wait, hang on. Oh, because it's been revived a couple of times.

So, I've only read one version of it. But he's Gorilla Grodd's grandson. Okay. Yeah, hang on. Oh, because it's been revived a couple of times. So I've only read one version of it. But he's Gorilla Grodd's grandson. Okay. Yeah, psychic Gorilla. Gorilla Grodd. But yeah, in the 90s, it had kind of like a... It's more like post-ironic twist. Sure.

It's crazy how... Wouldn't it be weird if... Yeah. Wouldn't it be weird if this guy was an ape and he had a detective agency? He had a whole lot going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, great. Oh, I didn't read this one, but there was a Vertigo version.

So that's probably weird. Sure. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, Mason, as I said, some weeks I'm going to try to include some people who are what we're reading from a listener. I would love to hear that. This is from Cody Stovall.

Remember last week? Yeah, go ahead. Go on. I was going to say last week, people wanted to know if we watched any anime. Well, that's what this is about. See, there we go, because I would like to hear it. Sure. Because I'm sure, because we're definitely not on the pulse of that sort of thing.

No, absolutely not. Somebody recommended, they recommended last week Fullmetal Alchemist. Oh, yeah, yeah. People often recommended that to me as well, so I should get to it. Absolutely. I feel like, though, even though we haven't seen a lot of Adam May, because we have this podcast, we are the authority on it, would you say? Absolutely, yeah.

And if you don't agree with that, email in. Rubbing me hands together. Cody Stovall, number one. Death Note. A must-see. Literally go and look it up right now. Watch it. Okay, I'm going to stop the podcast for a minute.

No, go ahead. Attack on Titan. This one I know about. Okay, yep. I know mostly about it because I saw a team four star who do the Dragon Ball Z one have done an episode

of this and I was like man that looks really good what's it called again sir Attack on Titan the way he describes it is the walking dead but with giants

that's right okay and they're they've mysteriously appeared and there's an even giant there's a bunch of near unkillable giants and then a real giant one

yeah yeah yeah I've heard about that it looks good and the last one is I don't know how to say this Baccano B-A-C-C-A-N-O let's go with Baccano

sure like Meccano like Meccano exactly Meccano is too complicated it's alright for kids get it out of here

alright fine go on very interesting and unique characters so there you go there's some three that we'll look into I mean

yeah I find I'm really restricted by because I do now two videos a week and this and emails and Twitter

and whatever I'm really restricted by what I can watch and job like I have a full time job it's also that part of my life which I neglect

quite a lot because of all this other stuff but yeah that sounds great. So thank you for writing in, Cody. May all your dreams become reality. Is that your new sign-off now? Your new email sign-off?

Even the bad ones. Great. Yeah. All right, Mason. That's what we're reading for this week and what Cody's reading. Good stuff. Let's get into letters. Okay.

I'm ready. All right. Nolan Barth has written in. Now, he loved Planet of the Apes, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, Dr. Pota. Yep. He said, now this has come up quite a bit in the career of Andy Serkis.

Sure. Was he ever actually in the circus? Yes. I was actually going to say that. Okay, great. No, do you think Andy Serkis... Great minds. This guy.

These guys. Both of us guys. Do you think Andy Serkis would ever win an oscar and what do you think will happen in the third film we talked about the third film mason yep so that's so we got ahead of him yeah we did but what do you think um andy circus what do you think about that winning an oscar i don't think he will i don't think i think that the oscar community yeah will not recognize they're all a thousand years old yeah exactly they will not recognise that. They're all a thousand years old, aren't they? Yeah, exactly.

They will not recognise that no matter how good he is, no matter how incredible his mannerisms are, they wouldn't give it to a guy in a monkey suit. They wouldn't give it to a guy with ping pong balls on his face.

If he died, they'd give it to him. No, they would give him an in memoriam, probably. Okay. And it would probably be combined with some other people. Sure. I reckon at least one other person. And it would probably be combined with some other people. Sure. I reckon at least one other person.

One of the Brat Pack who's now dead. Yes, Rob Lowe. The latest one. Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Yeah, I don't think... I think they would say, look, there's too much trickery over the top of it. Okay.

I don't think that. But he... Yeah, look, he has a very specific skill that not a lot of people can do. Yep. And he deserves some credit of it. Okay. I think I don't, I didn't think that. But he, yeah, look, he has a very specific skill that not a lot of people can do. Yep. And he deserves some credit for it. But in all honesty, who gives a shit about the Academy Awards?

Yeah, yeah. I mean. We can see his work. Yeah, exactly. And people remember the good movies. Yeah, yeah. Right? I know Pulp Fiction didn't win

the Academy Award in 94 or whatever, but people remember Pulp Fiction. You look at the, like Crash, I think won the Academy Award in 94 or whatever, but people remember Pulp Fiction. You look at the... Like, Crash, I think, won an Academy Award. Have you seen Crash? Never. It's fine. Right.

Like, it's not terrible by any stretch, but history is riddled with people who should have won Academy Awards. Crash was in that era where people were amazed by all the stories that all came together at the end. Oh, my God, yeah. Right? Everybody had an impact on everybody else's life. Yeah, I thought that's what I figured.

Yeah, I think that... Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, I think they'd get him up if they won a special effects award, I think. Yeah, sure. Or maybe they'd point him out or something like that in the crowd and he'd be like, ooh. I think what may happen, though, is he will, because he occasionally does a live action thing, right? He'll, like, kill a bunch of people. Yeah, absolutely.

Just on a lark. Yeah, he's 50. There you go. Yeah, sorry, go on. I think what will probably happen is he will do a live action film bunch of people. Yeah, absolutely. Just on a lark. Yeah, he's 50. There you go. Yeah, sorry, go on. I think what will probably happen is he will do a live action film at some point. Yeah. And he will win Best Supporting Actor. Okay.

And it'll be one of those things where, you know, it's Best Supporting Actor, but it's really, it's a Lifetime Achievement Award sort of thing. Okay. Where they'll be like, well, obviously he's done all this great work, but we don't have a category for that. Yeah. So we're going to give it to him for this. Yeah.

Supporting role in this film. Sure. Yeah. So we're going to give it to him for this. Yeah. Supporting role in this film. Sure. Yeah. Would you... Crash 2. Would you put that... Would you... See, it's obviously...

Still crashing. What about... Okay. What about, like, like a voice acting role? There's obviously a distinction between you've got the voice actor, you've got your mo-cap and voice acting

for the whole performance. And, you know... Will they give an award for voice actor? Yeah, do you think? Nope. Yeah. No. I think they're all too niche. I think people are going to get... and voice acting the whole performance and you know will they give an award for voice acting yeah no I think they're all too niche I think people are going to get they're going to get

satin awards or whatever okay whatever the site MTV MTV movie awards the surfboard yeah he's probably collected

a few surfboards in his time yeah to be honest I don't really I don't put stock in any awards for anything

no except for WatchMojo's top 10 definitely yeah but like even that, like, it doesn't, you can like what you like, it doesn't matter.

People know when they do good work. Yeah, yeah. People tell them. It is, most of them are an industry congratulating itself. Yeah, exactly. And especially,

we might have talked about this, but the Golden Globe Awards, remember that year that The Tourist with Johnny Depp was nominated for Best Musical or Comedy? And it was like a, it was like a pseudo spy film yeah i didn't see it wasn't yeah but i mean and it was a i think that was the year that maybe bridesmaids came out something like that and that wasn't nominated but so i remember

some a lot of stuff got snubbed yeah being nominated for comedy like some amazing comedies and the tourist was nominated sure which could not possibly be fun no no no there'd be some moments where Johnny Depp is bewildered yeah

in that Johnny Depp bewildered kind of way but it was not a comedy and people were like what it was is like a bunch of people from Europe who wanted to meet Johnny Depp

yeah so they nominate him for the reward so he has to come over that was it tricked yep okay so he's going to

be part of the main cast of episode 7 yeah Andy Serkis he is CGI yeah he's going to be part of the main cast of Episode 7. Yeah. Andy Serkis. He is, yeah. CGI? Yeah, he's going to... R2-D2.

No, that's not right. They're going to jam him in that. I mean, you get Andy Serkis mostly for the mo-cap. Right, right, right. Not to say that he will do that necessarily, but... Do you feel like... You've got your Andy Serkis, right? You've got...

Do you remember Armoured Best? I think his name was? He was Jar Jar Binks. Oh, yeah. And they did things around the same time. Lord of the Rings came out, I think, a couple of years after Phantom Menace. Uh-huh. But...

Short end of the stick. Yeah. Armoured Best did some good stuff with Jar Jar Binks as far as pioneering MoCat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But nobody remembers him fondly. Yeah. It's probably a script issue, ultimately. Yeah, well, that's it.

Exactly. Well, Andy Serkis has been nominated for two things. Golden Globe Award nomination for his portrayal of serial killer Ian Brady in a British television film called Longford. Live action. Yep. And nominated for a BAFTA award for portraying Ian Dury in Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll. Also live action. Okay, right. So I don't think

he's getting any... Doesn't look that way. He hasn't even been bloody nominated for a Saturn award. Yeah. Maybe he has, hang on. But you know,

you've got people like Jack Palance who have never won an MTV Movie Award. Correct. So life is full of injustice. It doesn't matter how many push-ups he does

in a City Slickers film. There's an entire article on the awards and nominations received by Andy Serkis. Okay. He won... Sounds like the bloody Academy Awards or a bloody circus. Oh, hello. He has won two MTV Movie Awards. For Lord of the Rings.

Best on-screen duo with Sean Astin and Elijah Wood. That's really a trio, but whatever. And best virtual performance. Okay. Maybe that'll become a real Wood. That's really a trio, but whatever. And best virtual performance. Okay. Maybe that'll become a real thing. That's a thing now. Okay, yeah. I don't think...

I mean, he would win that every year. He's won two Saturn Awards. I apologise. Then again, Ruffalo's doing some good stuff. Yeah, yeah. He won for Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Saturn Award, and he won for Lord of the Rings. Best supporting actors, both. Okay.

Good for him. Yeah. Good for him. There you go. So these Saturn Awards recognise a virtual character as a supporting actor. So there you go. These are the Sega Saturn Awards. Absolutely for him. There you go. So these Saturn Awards recognise a virtual character as a supporting actor. So there you go. These are the Sega Saturn Awards. Absolutely, yeah.

There you go. Anything else? He's won a lot of film critic awards and that does include for like Lord of the Rings and other stuff. Good for him. King Kong. There you go.

And I know CGI, we've talked about this a lot. You should shut his mouth. You should stop his bloody complaining because he's won some awards. I don't think he's his mouth. He should stop his bloody complaining. But he doesn't. Because he's won some awards. I don't think he's ever complained. No, he's never complained.

Exactly, yeah. CGI is, I know it adds a lot more to a performance, but is it the same as wearing prosthetics and winning an Academy Award because you're wearing prosthetics? Like Nicole Kidman wore it. Yeah, exactly. For the hours. I know it's different. Yeah, yeah.

Where's the line? That is the line, I think. Jake Gyllenhaal won Best Actor for Bubble Boy. He was in that bubble. Correct. Yeah, yeah. Where's the line? That is the line. Jake Gyllenhaal won Best Actor for Bubble Boy. He was in that bubble. Correct. Absolutely, yeah. So I guess that is like, it's like a 20-foot line. Okay, gotcha.

Now, I don't think it'll be, if ever, it's going to be a lot of years. I think they draw the line at makeup and prosthetic, whatever. Sure. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think Virgil's ever going to cut it with the Oscars, which probably is going to mean the Oscars is going to seem less and less relevant so there you go.

That's it. See you later, the Oscars. Mason. Yes? Dean Tarrin has written in I just want to quickly mention this he sent us to a link

where Australians have resurrected gladiator jewels with carbon fibre suits. I know I can't show you that people who are watching but it's basically an armoured carbon fibre suit and people hit each other with swords. What do you think?

I'm in favour of that. Me too. Yeah. It's a traditional sport here, isn't it? We invented it. Yes, that's right. Because Russell Crowe is Australian. Yep.

And he invented it for the film Gladiator. There you go. So he's not Australian? Is he in or out at the moment? What's he been doing? Well, he was in Noah, which was a bit, which was very whitewashed. You know what, though? I saw Noah. I was at a friend's house earlier this which was a bit... Which was very whitewashed. You know what, though? I saw Noah.

I was at a friend's house earlier this week. I saw Noah. It is whitewashed. Right. But it's not... I thought it was going to be like a heavy-handed religious dogma kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. It's really not.

It's just a romp? It's just a romp. There's rock men. There's big rock men. Oh. Yeah, yeah. Golems. Yeah, golems.

Yeah. Oh, something else. I don't know. They're angry. I was surprised. There's some interesting stuff in that movie. I don't know if I're angry. I was surprised. There's some interesting stuff in that movie. Okay. I don't know if I could wholeheartedly recommend it. So it's more of a...

Is it more of like a Greek gods fantasy film than it is? Yeah, I'd probably say so, sure. There you go. But I didn't see Passion of the Christ and whatever. Looks a bit... I don't really want to watch Jesus get beaten to death. Well, I saw... I didn't watch it, but I flicked over the TV one night and it was just Jesus getting whipped.

He's like, and I'm like, oh, I don't care for that. And then like an hour later, I flicked it over and he's just getting whipped again. And I'm like, and he's like,

and I'm like, oh, this is not for me. Maybe there's some good stuff in between. Yeah. Yeah. David Joseph Kwaroz said in. You've almost certainly gotten that correct.

Sure. He said, wow, you were, first of all, you're so right about Dragon Ball Z, A Bridge by Team Four Star. I can't stop watching it. It's like ruined the show for me. Great. It has, it has for me. But he also wanted to make clear that he's the official John McClane of the Weekly Planet.

Can you shout me out? He's a good guy, so I'm going to do it. Absolutely, you do it. You're going to do it? No, you do it. Shout out! Nice, good stuff. Yeah, yeah.

We'll call on him anytime it's Christmas. That's right. And we need some trouble taking care of. That's it. Just say I'm like a hardworking American hero or something. You are a hardworking American hero. As far as we know. Yeah, I mean.

Yeah. Why would you lie? Yeah. Unless you're a hardworking American liar. Andrew Richardson has written in and Daniel Liu has written in and they're both sent in DVD packs. Oh, good. You want to see them?

I would love to see them. I'll read them out, of course, but what I'm going to do is use the power of technology Mason to show you. First of all, I have this picture of Ian Jacker Jackson on my iPad. I saw that, yep. This one, it's a five movie pack. Great. Mr. Bean.

Oh, for those who listen, because we haven't done this for a while. Oh, yeah, sorry. For listeners who aren't aware, I enjoy incongruous multi-packs of DVDs, like where there's no reason for them to be packaged together beyond the fact that it was really cheap to do it. Yeah, yeah. Like it's, you know, like two children's films and then a horror film or whatever. Yeah, yeah. So if you've got any, please send them in.

Please do. I love them. Tweet them specifically to Mason, though. Correct. Or me, whatever. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah. We've got, in this order them specifically to Mason, though. Correct. Or me, whatever. Yeah, it doesn't matter. We've got, in this order, Mr. Bean's Holiday.

Sure. And then it's Mr. Bean the movie. So you'd think you'd put that around the other way around. Also, I haven't seen Mr. Bean goes on holiday or whatever, but didn't he go on holiday in the first one? Because he went to America and he had that painting or whatever. Yeah, but he really holidays it up. Like it's really... Tropical.

It's very tropical in the sequel, yeah. Then you've got Small Sold... Very debauched. Sure. Small Soldiers. Okay, CGI action film. Yeah, which is pretty good, actually. Yeah, it's fun.

Thunderbirds, live action, Bill Paxton. Okay. I'm going to do a worst reboot, and that's going on there. Not that I've seen it, but if you're going to do Thunderbirds, you do puppets, don't you? You absolutely do puppets. Or at least CGI kind of looking puppets. And Mystery Men.

Wow, what an odd combination. Yeah. Yeah, that's... I guess if you had... Comedy? If you had an assortment of children of different ages... Yep. And you wanted to entertain them all at the same time in separate rooms, on separate televisions,

maybe you'd buy that pack. Sure. Love it. Alright, this other one. These two actually, I think, go together. together fight club and memento i would say they do if you that that is the if you already know the twist yeah double pack yeah yeah no spoilers here mason okay yeah nice memento was a ghost the whole time oh my god the other one is classic sci-fi films resident evil the first one the fly aliens

great some of them are good aren't they one of them is good i've never seen the fly i think it's jeff goldman the fly yeah so yeah i think that's all right okay yeah well what about aliens that's

the one oh okay you silly sausage cool thanks guys absolutely appreciate it this one is from byron clark the official rocket racer of the podcast. Oh, there we go. I remember.

On Sunday, I get to fulfill a lifelong dream. Oh, actually, in Congress DVD pack, Daxon on Twitter sent in, he just said, I finally

found an odd DVD set, two really good films and one piece of shit, and it's Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, then Spider-Man 3. That's pretty good.

It's good stuff. Well done, Daxon. He started this whole official this and that. Yeah. Thanks a lot, Daxon. You're a monster. He's pretty good that's good stuff well done Daxon he started this whole official this and that yeah thanks a lot Daxon you're a monster

you're a monster he's a good dude this is from Byron Clark official rocket racer on Sunday I get to fulfill a long held dream

and meet the great Stan Lee there we go as I step up and introduce myself I feel it's necessary to pull out a witty statement of some sort

my question is to you what would you go with in my position yeah this isn't going to come out before sunday unfortunately right we could tweet at him maybe yeah yeah okay or we could just have him hope for the best yeah sure uh look we discussed this beforehand maybe we can we can workshop an answer now okay because you couldn't go too deep with your reference no because i feel he wouldn't know what you're talking about. Yes.

Like, any movie, any comic book thing that he didn't do yesterday, he's probably not going to remember, right? No, yeah, yeah. If you're like, hey, remember that thing

you did with Steve Ditko in the 60s? He'd just be like, I sure do. And then he'd have, he's probably got like a pre-packaged thing that he says.

Yeah, yeah. About, you know, living your dreams and putting your imagination You get a thousand times a week. You get a thousand times aaged thing that he says. Yeah, yeah. About, you know, living your dreams and putting your imagination out there. Because he'd get like a thousand times a week. He'd get a thousand times a week, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What are you going to go with?

Well, I would go with, because I couldn't think of a real one, but I'd say, can I own the rights to your CGI image when you die? Fantastic. Because they're just going to plonk him in everything, aren't they? Absolutely they are. You're right. Oh, that would be a sweet money spinner, wouldn't it? Yeah.

I mean, I wouldn't really say that because I like and respect him. Right, yes. But I don't know. I guess I'd probably get to like... I'd say, nice bucket hat, old man. I'll see you

on the end of the pier when we're both fly fishing. I wouldn't say that. What do you say? You just... Because I just want to say, listen, I appreciate everything you've done for the comic book industry.

You were there from the very start when this was a joke and it's built to this amazing thing. How amazing that is that you were there and you've seen this through. But he probably hears that every day. Probably, yeah. So what do you say? Anytime I'll meet somebody famous, keep it short. Yeah. Like, thanks for all the stories or something like that.

I think that'd be nice. Yeah. Yeah. I think he'd appreciate that yeah yeah or push a portfolio of work on him oh definitely do that

yeah yeah like all your scrapbooks yep I don't know man what do you say yeah just short and sweet short and sweet good luck with that

that's gonna be good that's gonna be very exciting yeah let us know I would definitely like to meet him please if I could yeah yeah and let us know what happens there

yeah also I remember once the IGN I think it was IGN I would definitely like to meet him. Please. If I could. Yeah, yeah. And let us know what happens there. Yeah. Also, I remember once the IGN, I think it was IGN, had an internet gaming... Noodles. I don't know what that site is. It's internet gaming noodles. Okay. Yeah. They put an article once, because they asked Stanley about the Nintendo Wii, and they were

like, Stanley doesn't even know what the Nintendo Wii is. Why would he know that? Yeah, he's the oldest man in the world. Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's not shocking. No, not at all. I mean, if you're that age and you know the Nintendo Wii, it's probably because they brought

one into your nursing home. Yeah. So you could get active and do Wii bowling or whatever. Sure. Right? Yeah, yeah. But he's not in a nursing home. He's a...

He's a... He's out and about. Yeah, he's out and about. Exactly. So why would he know? Exactly. Yeah. He's got stuff to do. He does. He's got fishing to do home. He's a... He's out and about. Yeah, he's out and about. Exactly. So why would he know? Exactly. He's got stuff to do. He does.

He's got fishing to do at the end of that pier. Can't plug in a Nintendo Wii at the end of a pier. No, you can't. Not a good pier. No. Alright. Banshee, official Green Lantern, has written in Mason. Wait, which Green Lantern though?

I don't know. Okay, great. Right in Banshee. Yep. Which one do you want to be? You can be an original one Or you can be Gnaut Those are your options

Yep Those are your two Original Green Lantern Of your choosing Create the backstory It's fine Or Gnaut Yep

The dog The dog Green Lantern The dog It's kind of a weird dog creature Okay Some people think Hang on Let me make sense of this

Well you don't bloody think That's for sure, mate. Okay. Leaked pilots. Yep. Constantine was recently leaked. Yep. Which I haven't seen.

I haven't seen it. Nice. Great. The Flash was also leaked, which we've established I definitely haven't seen. Right. Vanjie's saying, what do you think? Is this a trend from networks to like to see, to test the waters with this stuff? No, i think every

time this happens somebody gets fired really i'm pretty sure yeah i don't know man i reckon this how did you know what i'm not i'm not i'm not playing your game how were the special effects in the flash pilot probably okay would you say because you've seen it would you say that they look like they're completed and this is the final product that's gonna go out on TV or does it look like they kind of maybe I couldn't possibly say basically but if I was to say

yeah it's ready to go okay and same with Constantine right yeah so do you think that they're releasing them on purpose I'd say it's a possibility okay

yeah I guess in the sense that you I haven't heard anything about them going around and blacking out websites

and shutting people down for sharing it so maybe maybe there is some truth to it well what's interesting maybe that's a new because I mean

when they released Wolverine yeah that was not that was not deliberate yeah yeah I mean it was deliberate on the part of the guy who got fired for doing it but the studios didn't release that no so maybe now they've learned well if we give them a bit of sizzle and people feel like they're getting

getting one over on you know it's kind of sneaky and they're part of this elite club that's found it and downloaded it yeah maybe they'll be more on board with the characters like i've been on board since moment negative one or whatever yeah sure well i know that i mentioned i mentioned how they replaced the lead female character in constantine right yeah but apparently and i didn't feel this because i haven't seen it yep that people didn't like that character and now that now that she's been written out for somebody who's in the comics. Yeah, yeah. Could be a coincidence. But it could be now they're using the general public as sort of a mass market research team, I guess. Yeah, maybe.

That could work. I might be wrong, but hey. Well, I mean, there are a lot of film properties and movie properties and TV properties out there. I think movie accident, TV show. Deliberate. Yeah. Possibly.

Yeah, okay. You might be right there. I think movie accident, TV show. Deliberate. Possibly. Possibly. Okay, you might be right there. Because I think they have, maybe in the past, they have made series and people have said, look, this is good except for these, you know, you didn't,

this is not a good translation of this comic property or whatever. So now they can trial it out and see what people's genuine reaction to that is. Yeah. So maybe, yeah. Sure.

Okay. Well said, Mason. Thank you. All right. I say words good. Also, Vanjie says that Star Trek, the animated series is great because I paid it out last week. Look, to be fair, I said the animation is terrible and I stand by that because it is.

But I haven't seen enough of it to say whether it's great. I've heard it's like on path with the original series. or not right that actually got leaked recently what okay good we've been going for a while yeah we have been going for a while there's a series called star trek phase two okay which is like a fan built animation no it's not it's live action okay and it's like because um star trek the original series, was going to be relaunched as Star Trek Phase 2, but that got cancelled. And so some fans have taken on the idea of,

well, we'll do another series of Star Trek. And it looks amazing. It's absolutely dead on. This is recently? Yeah. Well, of course. Yeah. Because it wouldn't...

Fans making that... It was 1969. Yeah, that would not be good. Okay, that's great. Dead on it is, yeah. We've got the ability now, don't we? Yeah, absolutely. As Christopher Nolan says something about information... Yeah, that would not be good. Okay, that's great. Dead on it is, yeah. We've got the ability now, don't we? As Christopher Nolan says something about information. Yeah, content.

Content. Sure. Thank you for writing in, Vanjie. Thank you. Hey guys, Andrew Richardson here from Dublin, the official gorgeous Irish man of the podcast. And I was wondering, what do you guys read your comics on? Do you download them digitally to iPads?

Do you buy collected editions or graphic novels? Or God forbid, do you hunt read your comics on? Do you download them digitally to iPads? Do you buy collected editions or graphic novels? Or God forbid, do you hunt down the original issues and spend thousands of euros on first appearances? First of all, our currency is yen. Yeah, thank you. That's what I traded. I do not buy limited anything. No, I think I would have in the past, many years ago.

I would have tried to get the weird hollow foil cover or whatever. Yeah, yeah. But no, not anymore. It's never a limited edition of anything. Unless I happen to fall upon it. many years ago i would have tried to get the the weird hollow foil cover or whatever yeah yeah but no not anymore yeah it's never a limited edition anything unless i happen to fall upon it like a sword or no if i if i go to somewhere like a bookstore a comic book store or whatever and there's books yeah i know right for nerds don't think about it and there's the basic version and the limited version right next to each other. And the limited version's two bucks more.

Yeah, yeah. I'll probably get it. Yeah, absolutely. I'm primarily digital. You know, I've got a... Well, there's Comixology, but there's also... There's like Dark Horse have got their own and whatever, whatever, yeah. It's mind-called.

Can't even find the bloody thing, all right? Mason, too many apps, mate. Too many apps, mate. You're too much in the digital age. I know, right? That's your problem. Oh, you can view them through Stanza.

That's what I use. Okay, cool. Does that open anything? Pretty much any CBR, CBZ file, whatever. Awesome.

I use Comixology mostly. Yep. I feel those flaws I talk about have gotten better. It's annoying you still get to go to

the website, but they've got the greatest bit of content. But if I can't find anything, I'll get like... That's pretty sweet. Spin, fang, foo. See? Then sometimes I'll get like the torrent of something. Yeah, yeah.

If I have to. Yeah. I will occasionally buy something like a physical copy of something. Yeah. Maybe a trade paper copy of something. Yeah. Maybe a trade paperback or something like that. Every once in a while, I will attempt... Like a new series will come out,

and I'll be like, I'm going to buy a physical copy of that every time it comes out. It's going to be great. Okay. And then I'll buy the first issue, and it'll be great. And the second issue,

I'm like, I'm getting back into collecting comics or whatever. And then... Look at me. Look at me. And then the next issue won't come out for like four months. I hate that! There'll be some delay. It'll be usually some image comic book or whatever and then look at me look at me and then the next issue won't come out for like four months I hate that

there'll be some delay there'll be usually some image comic book or whatever and the creators have gone on holiday or something like that and then four months

will pass and I'm like well I'm done with this yeah yeah I'm done with collecting physical again when you guys are finished with it

I'll download the torrent yeah yeah I do mostly digital but occasionally I'll get a physical I like like a book I don't like individual issues yeah yeah it's annoying to keep but occasionally I'll get a physical. I like a book. I don't like individual issues. Yeah, yeah.

It's annoying to keep. But yeah, sometimes I go to stores. The last time I went to one, a local one to me, and the guy was nice or whatever. And I can understand why he did this, but I'm going in and I'm looking through and I'm like, hold up, whatever. Like a popular thing that I haven't read. Let's say it's, I don't know, Garfield and Friends. Sure.

Like a standard comic book. Let's say it's i don't know garfield and friends sure like one that like a standard comic book let's say it's your dark knight strikes back or whatever even though i've read that i'm like what's that and he's like i haven't read it and then i pick up another one i'm like what's this like and he's like i haven't read it i'm like i i know you've read it because you work in a comic book store but i think he just doesn't want to get into that discussion right exactly yeah so i was like that's very unhelpful yeah that feels like you'd say big i would imagine a lot of people will if you work in a comic book store a lot of people would come in and challenge you yeah like you'd have the spider-man or whatever yeah you go what's this one like you would know what it's like yeah you're like hey buddy what's this one like and he'd be like oh that's pretty good and then the person the the customer would be like i don't think it is i think you're wrong because of this and this and it's not true to the new

writer and the new artist and he doesn't understand the anatomy of spider-man with the you know whatever yeah get in it'd be it'd be eight hours of arguments absolutely i understand yeah i understand it but it was just kind of like you could just say you don't want to talk about it i'm not going to come back and be like, you told me this was good. Right, right, right. I don't care. I feel also, I think a lot of my just purchasing of anything has gone to online at this point.

Yeah, me too. Because I'm tired of... Me too. Anything physical. I'm tired of trying on a shirt and going, this does not work for me. And then going out and somebody be like, oh, that looks amazing on you.

And I'm like, you're lying. So now I just cut out. So now I'm going to walk out with this shirt on i just kind of so now i'm gonna walk out with this shirt on exactly yeah i'm gonna work walk out with this terrible shirt on all right so the last question from the week oh just quickly on the constantine pilot which i haven't seen it felt the bleed guys quite good uh-huh um it felt just like an episode of kind of like supernatural yeah i mentioned that to you before you did yeah if i've seen it i mean right right we live in a mysterious age yes okay. Okay. Does he quit smoking?

No smoking. I don't think they even mention it. That's disappointing. Anyway. This is from Jack C. How's he going to get cancer? Bloody too much watching the telly. I don't know.

I've got no... Carcinogens in his food. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. As the official Nick Mason officiated, official beard of Nick Mason of the official podcast of the official nick mason officiated official beard of nick mason of the official podcast of the official comic book movie.com done i would like to ask i think it was done he was just confirming yeah totally three things you named someone the official nick mason

so i'm the their official beard so are they your beard or his is he the official nick mason's beard or your beard this is your call i think it's his call. Email back. Tell us what you want. We'll make that happen. You've got it. Yeah. Whatever it is. Who are your favourite comic book villains?

Now, I don't want to get into this because this will go forever. We'll do an episode on it. But I just liked his response. Mine is the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. showrunners. Boom. Quickly, favourite villains. Who? The Joker.

Yep. Definitely. You go on I don't know okay different different villains under

different writers you know what I mean that's very true any villain can be made great yeah yeah like for example Stiltzman

that's your exception Stiltzman I've thought about it Stiltzman cannot be made as a decent and I've spent a lot of time thinking about Stilt Man.

I'll be honest with you. You cannot make him an effective villain. That's why. Because he's got stilt powers. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Good point. Yeah.

Like, what was I going to say? I can't remember. Yeah. Villains are good. Ah, I would... There's an example. The Clock Guy from... Clock King.

Clock King. The nothing villain. Right. But then there's an episode of the Batman the animated series where he goes up against Batman

he's got everything timed so precisely that he's a really formidable opponent correct yes that's a great villain yeah yeah

in just that episode right and I would yeah you're right and I think and we're going to talk a lot about Batman villains

because he's probably got the greatest rogues gallery but you know Mr. Freeze yep started as basically a nothing

villain in the comics then he was Eli Wallach in the 60s Batman series and then he was Arnold Schwarzenegger and then

it was animated first right okay there you go but then in various medias he's been awful but in the animated series they gave him a tragic backstory and etc etc

which has moved into the real the real universe air quotes the real DC comic book universe air quotes the real you know the real dc comic universe so yeah now now formidable villain yeah sure well let's do an episode on that one yeah okay cool unless you got anything else to say uh no i look it's like picking your favorite kid no i'm all right yes yeah it sure is yes so i i would i would need

more time to think you hate them all yeah like your favorite kid yeah me too well let's do an episode on that yeah yeah i saw i think if we're talking the joker he's probably he's probably my favorite villain because we don't know enough about him yeah so you can build the backstory around that character we know maybe what his origin is but it probably isn't yeah you know that kind of thing that's why you like Darth Vader so much correct now yeah last question also can you talk about falling skies and alphas

no haven't seen them have you seen them no so no absolutely we can't last thing and this is the main reason

I wanted to read it seen them or read them who knows maybe it's a book I don't know P.S. Alan Moore famous Alan Moore

yes crazy old bearded wizard Alan Moore lives in a cave hates everything hates the comic book industry amazing writer responsible for what

Watchmen other things From Hell Beef of Endata League of Extraordinary Gentlemen The Movie Miracle yeah

Miracle Man one of my favourites Miracle on 34th Street great all of these things Alan Moore lives on the same road as my uncle in Northampton

yes and flatly refuses to sign his copy of Watchmen And my copy of The Killing Joke on a regular basis That's so good That you would keep threatening him with those That's amazing That is pretty good That is some solid work

I know right Yeah yeah If that If you have specific stories about that Send them in Yeah absolutely If you've met oddball that, send them in. Yeah, absolutely. If you've met oddball comic book creators or oddball actors or whatever. Please don't lie.

Don't lie, but we've got our eye on you. But please, I would like to hear all those. We've got a pretty good filter for that stuff. Yeah, yeah. I hope. Maybe. That's pretty great, though. That's from Jack C.

Thank you. Well, Mason, that's a show. It's a long one this week. Oh, well. I hope that was okay. Until you edit it down, and then it'll be... Four minutes. Great.

Yeah. Where can they reach us, Mason? They can find us at Weekly Planet Pod at Twitter, Gmail, Facebook. Yes. I'm at Wikipedia Brown on Twitter. I'm at MrSundayMovies. You can also find me on YouTube at the same thing. I think I'm doing a top five comic book actors who have been

in other comic book movies that you might not know about video. Great. I need a better title. No, that'll do it. Because you need to fit it in the thumbnail.

Yeah, that's true. I don't know what I want to do. But anyway, yeah, I've been working on that so that'll be out at some point on Sunday. And thank you to those people who, for the theme songs,

The Brute and the Basilisk. Love those guys. Anything else? That'll do it, I think. You need some Brute and the Basilisk. Love those guys. Anything else? That'll do it, I think. You need some food? Yeah, let's get food. Do you want to get terrible food or good food? No, terrible food.

Yeah, good point. Yeah, nice. All right. Thanks, guys. See you guys. Bye. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road

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