The Weekly Planet - 433 Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

Visit bigsandwich.co for a bonus weekly show, exclusive movie commentaries, early stuff and ad-free podcast feeds for $9 per month.We're here to talk what will probably be one of the biggest movie rel...eases of the year in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse Of Madness! A wonderous adventure through some dimensions courtesy of Sam Raimi. We also of course get into the news of the week including Fast X and a new Obi Wan Kenobi trailer. Thanks for listening!Dr Strange Post Credits: https://youtu.be/kM1vp-XXoOURanking Multiverse of Madness Cameos: https://youtu.be/UPRpzoj4Gqs00:00 The Start02:59 Fast X Fallout11:04 New Doctor Who13:02 House of Dragons Trailer15:18 Obi-Wan Kenobi Trailer22:53 Avatar 2 Trailer27:32 Darkman Sequel29:05 Dr Strange in the Multiverse of Madness Review (spoilers 49:27 to 01:20:38)01:20:38 What We Reading, What We Gonna Read01:27:15 Letters, It's Time For LettersJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownMaso's Instagram ► https://www.instagram.com/nickmaseauThe Weekly Planet Twitter ► https://twitter.com/theweeklyplanetPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesTWP iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767TWP Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetTWP YouTube Channel ► https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2QbmwGjT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:41 Red hot comic book movie news. Shooting up your butt hole. Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday, and with me as always is my co-host, Nick Mason. Hello. In this very dimension, we something, something, comments tying into the movie we're talking about. Oh, that's very good. That's very clever.
Starting point is 00:01:11 Thank you. If that were a completely thought-through sentence, that would have been incredible. If I was doing a YouTube thumbnail, it might be me, and I'm looking normal, but then behind me I'm spinning out. Like there's different versions of me. Oh, that's great. Yeah, nice, nice.
Starting point is 00:01:24 But it's got the time. No, absolutely not. Yeah, yeah. nice. But it's got the time. No, absolutely not. Yeah, yeah. But I think this is better actually. What's that? It's a peek behind the curtain. Okay. Like if we didn't respect the listeners, we would probably do that thing
Starting point is 00:01:37 where we would do the comment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We would think of the comment. But because we respect the listeners, instead we're explaining to them. We're giving them a peek behind the curtain of what we would have done. But we didn't. We didn't do it because we respect them too much. Yes.
Starting point is 00:01:51 That's exactly right. Man, there's a lot of things that, you know, we certainly seem to respect the listener because of what we don't, you know, provide. It's a lot of layers, isn't it? Yeah, I think so too, yeah. But you know we do provide, Mason. We're not spoon feeding you here these jokes, folks. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:02:04 We give you the structure to allow you to build the jokes yourself. I might save this for the end. I went to a wedding and there was this. Wait, are you hungover? No, I'm fine. And there was a, the MC, he was good, right? But he did a joke about a spoon and a string and a penis. And I might, like, save it for the end to be like, explain this to me.
Starting point is 00:02:25 Oh, so you didn't get it. No, I got it. But I'm like, what is the. I see you're frantically Googling what it means. Is it about wedding nights or something? Yeah, wedding. No, no, it's like wait stuff. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:02:38 I might do it later if I remember. Please remind me if I don't. You know what? I have no doubt that listeners aren't Googling it right now. So by the time we get to the end and you explain this joke, they'll be like, we know the string and the egg or the whatever joke. Yeah. The spoon joke.
Starting point is 00:02:52 We get it, James. Okay. So there are time codes. They're on YouTube right now and there's a guy, there's like a generically handsome generic dude, and he's like, hey, guys, welcome to my channel where I explain various wedding jokes. You're about the one with the spoon and the egg and the string?
Starting point is 00:03:09 There's no egg. It's a penis. Oh, right, right, right. I forgot. Anyway, maybe later. Okay. But speaking of, if you do want to jump to that, Collings who edits these, he always puts time codes in the descriptions.
Starting point is 00:03:19 We're going to be talking about the fallout from Fast X Mason. Oh. We're going to be talking about a brand new Doctor Who, got a couple of trailers in Trailers Ahoy. Ha. Dark Man sequel? Yeah. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:03:31 Maybe. And then, of course, we're going to get right into Doctor Strange in the multiverse of madness. Aye. So let's kick things off, please, the way that we always like to, with some Fast X news. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Mate. So to catch everybody up to date, Justin Lin left the franchise. He directed five. He was a week into doing this latest one. We don't know why it was all like, this is creative differences and we're all friends or whatever. You know, they released a statement. But there's since been some movement in terms of what may have
Starting point is 00:04:06 actually gone down. We speculated that maybe Vin Diesel, Xantix maybe pushed him out. Yeah, right, right, right. It turns out that that's probably what happened. And I know some people, like, messaged and said, you guys are right. And, look, I appreciate that. But it wasn't really, like, a big stretch to be like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:04:24 I think we've got to figure it out. Maybe there were some egos attached to that, sure. Exactly. But this is potentially what happened via The Hollywood Reporter. So Justin Lin was handling writing duties on the movie and believed he had a locked script going into it. Universal and Diesel had other thoughts. A key location that had been secured
Starting point is 00:04:45 was cut due to its Eastern European location amid the war in Ukraine, and the movie still hadn't cast one of its villains yet. On top of that, even as Lin tried to draw lines in the sand, the studio said it would be sending a writer to London to polish dialogue for some of the actors, a move that was expected but apparently not welcomed by Lynn at that time, sources say. The constantly moving target proved too much for the seasoned Lynn, who on April 23rd had a major disagreement with Diesel. The four-person meeting had begun with Diesel having new notes. It ended with a slammed door.
Starting point is 00:05:19 Justin finally had enough and said, this movie is not worth my mental health, says one source. Both Lin and Diesel declined to comment for this story. My goodness. So, yeah, there you go. So basically there was a bunch of changes from the studio and Vin Diesel and he was like, I'm not doing this anymore. All right then.
Starting point is 00:05:38 And apparently the payday he turned down could have been like around $10 million, but also he's made five of these. So he's made $10 million, I would say, at least twice. Yeah, he's probably doing fine. Just the world you could live in to be like, I don't want to see this guy's face for the next three months. I'm turning down $10 million. I love a good, like, I quit story.
Starting point is 00:05:59 It's fantastic, right? Just someone just being like, I'm just fucking, I'm not doing this and I'm going. Give it to Louis Leterrier, apparently. Exactly. Who directed one or two? Two of the transporter movies. Yes, that's right.
Starting point is 00:06:11 He also did The Incredible Hulk, sort of, but Edward Norton maybe took over on a lot of that. Oh, that reminds me. So the last time we talked about this, I read on Twitter that Vin Diesel could not take over as director. So I have been informed that that is because of something called the Eastwood rule. I did read this. Is this your one bit of news this week?
Starting point is 00:06:32 This is my one bit of news, James. A rule legislated by the Directors Guild of America that prohibits an actor or producer from firing the director and then becoming the director themselves. So apparently Clint Eastwood fired Philip Kaufman from the Civil War movie The Outlaw Josie Wales in the 70s. Yes. The two men had artistic differences. Kaufman's insistence on authenticity clashed with Eastwood's spaghetti western kind of vibe. Right, okay.
Starting point is 00:06:57 Also, apparently, Eastwood hired Sondra Locke, who was maybe Kaufman's girlfriend? Okay. He was just like. Yeah, you could do it. Yeah, you could do this. But anyway, so the idea is that you can't wait for the director to, like, put all the pieces in place because a lot of the time that's what the director does.
Starting point is 00:07:15 They kind of, you know. Oh, okay. They set everything in. They set all the schedules. All the hard stuff. All the hard stuff and all the scheduling and all the setups and all the storyboard, all that sort of stuff. And, like, once the movie.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Or navigate it at least. Yeah to be able to do that. Yeah, and for like a lot of movies, I think, especially big budget ones now, like it all gets set up and then the director is just there to be like, hey, it's me, all right, let's go, let's action, you know, what have you. Let's action, everyone. Let's action, they say. I'm pretty sure.
Starting point is 00:07:39 I'm a Hollywood insider. I can tell. And the idea is then you can't then fire that director and they've done all the work to set up and then just be like, but it's me now. I did this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is me.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Yeah, fantastic. Very fantastic. So people also might know Louis Lettier. Remember that Unleashed Jet Li movie? Yeah. I remember watching that years ago. I remember liking it. He did Clash of the Titans, which I think is the first of those
Starting point is 00:08:05 two movies. He did Now You See Me. He also more recently... That was nearly a good movie. I think so. And he also did 10 episodes of The Dark Crystal, which is a show that people quite like. You know that... Oh, the new Netflix one. Yeah, I didn't watch it. I'd never really...
Starting point is 00:08:22 I don't think I saw the original, so I'm like, I'm not watching this new one, but apparently it's very good. My Brother, the one you don't like, likes it quite a lot. And he also has worked on Lupin. So, yeah. Oh, he's a jewel thief. Probably. Okay, great.
Starting point is 00:08:34 He probably is. He's probably a jewel thief. He's either a jewel thief or he's a descendant of a jewel thief. Wow. Yeah, pretty good, right? What a claim to fame. So, yeah, look, he's a good get, especially last minute, because he's clearly, like, he's worked on big budget stuff before.
Starting point is 00:08:49 You know what I mean? Like, I think this is, like, considering that, well, here's some more information. This is via THR also. The budget was creeping up to the $300 million mark, and that is without any marketing and publicity spend, and over 100 million dollars of that was for the the people in it alone your cast because not only you've got
Starting point is 00:09:11 everybody existing then they brought in charlie's theron and jason momoa and you don't they're not cheap you know sure they'll tell you all about it you'll ask them not to how much they made on their latest movie did you know that i did not did not know that. It's true. Actually, that's a Hollywood clause. If you go up to them and ask any working actor. How much they make? They have to tell you the previous one, but not anything beyond that. Wow. You don't have to.
Starting point is 00:09:34 That's true. That's a hot Hollywood tip. That's right. So there you go. That's fun. James, coming along from the Eastwood rule when writer and director Richard Tuggle
Starting point is 00:09:48 failed to meet Eastwood's expectations during work on the movie Tightrope in 1984 the Eastwood rule prevented him from having Tuggle removed from the project
Starting point is 00:09:57 oh his own rule why did he put it in place I don't know I mean he didn't obviously he didn't the director's girl did Eastwood did take over
Starting point is 00:10:04 many of the directing duties for the project, but Tuggle still got the title and stayed involved with the movie until the end. Okay, that's interesting. So there you go. I guess this rule was also, and him wanting creative control was partially responsible for him pretty much directing everything he's in now?
Starting point is 00:10:19 I think so, yeah. Like he's done mostly, as far as I can tell. Yeah, and I guess also Eastwood is, I guess, kind of from, like, that era where it was very unusual for an actor to also be a director. Yeah. I think because they didn't want an actor to have that sort of power. Yeah. They want the studio to kind of own them.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, like, and so we've moved on from that era where a lot of, you know, once people get a lot of star power, they're like, I'm going to direct something. Yeah. Give me a gun also. That's good fun.
Starting point is 00:10:48 That's a good rule, Mason. And what a wonderful one bit of news, a mere 50 years after it came into place. You're very welcome. But relevant to this very day. Yeah. Anyway, I don't think this Fast X is going to be great. And I don't think it's – What's this $300 million spectacular?
Starting point is 00:11:04 I don't know. As I said last week... It's churning through directors. I just haven't really enjoyed the last two to three, including the spin-off, you know? They're just kind of there and things happening. What if there's a puppet section? That'd be great, obviously.
Starting point is 00:11:18 The Fast and Furious crew go through. They tumble their car through some sort of large hadron collider. I mean, the multiverse is hot right now. It's true. They tumble through and they end up in the Dark Crystal universe and they're like Dark Crystal puppets. Hello. Yes.
Starting point is 00:11:32 Give us your car. Who is that? One of the Dark Crystals. Oh. Oh. Do you ever watch the original Dark Crystal? No, I don't think so. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:42 I don't think I've seen it. I can't remember. Anyways, Mason. Go on. This broke actually just before we started recording, but there is a new Doctor Who.
Starting point is 00:11:50 Ooh. Doctor New. That's very good. An actor by the name of, I'm going to pronounce this wrong, but apparently it is Shuti Agatwa. And you might know him.
Starting point is 00:11:58 I haven't watched the show, but he's in Sex Education. And he's, I think he's, I think he won a BAFTA for that potentially. That or another thing. He's a BAFTA winning actor. Okay. He's in Sex Education, and I think he won a BAFTA for that potentially. That or another thing. He's a BAFTA-winning actor.
Starting point is 00:12:08 Okay. He's also in Horrible Histories, the movie, and also he's 29 years old, which means. The youngest Doctor? I don't think he's younger than Matt Smith, but he's younger than me. Every other Doctor Who has been older than me. Oh, when they started. It's the same with Batman, and then Patterson broke that.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Wow. You know what I mean? It's just what with Batman, and then Patterson broke that. Wow. You know what I mean? It's just what happens. You know what I mean? Are you taking this personally? I'm absolutely taking it. This is a slight. When they did Capaldi, I'm like, I feel really good about this.
Starting point is 00:12:34 Look how much younger I am than Peter Capaldi. But now, ooh, Jodie Whittaker, still a little bit older, got a little too close to home, but I was like, okay, that's acceptable. This one, I don't like it. Yeah, so there you go. Anyways, he seems like's acceptable. This one, I don't like it. So there you go. Anyways, he seems like a good choice. This actor I know absolutely nothing about, to be honest.
Starting point is 00:12:51 Let's move on and not check Twitter to see what Twitter thinks about it. I agree. Let me just check. James, no! No! Oh, you're going off. Is that what you want me to check? You are going absolutely ham on this new Doctor Who cast.
Starting point is 00:13:04 No, James, it's not true. James, it's not true. James, it's not true. And, of course, a new Doctor means it's the perfect time to dip back in for an episode or two, which is now how we watch Doctor Who. Yeah, and see if it's, you know, see if it's sort of gone back to its – the last time I went back was the Jodie Weirker episode. Same, yeah. And they seem to have gone back to like that educational route.
Starting point is 00:13:26 Yeah. Remember like the original Doctor Who when it was black and white seemed to be a lot about learning? Yuck. Yuck. How dare they? And the Jodie Whicker episodes that I watched, I'm like, oh, I'm learning.
Starting point is 00:13:35 I don't like this. I don't learn. Who learns anymore? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Waste of time. Mason. Cowards.
Starting point is 00:13:43 I agree. You know, it's not a waste of time. Go on. The trailer's a hoist segment of this show. That's where we go. We break down the new trailers of the week. Now, of course, we've got a long-awaited prequel series coming up very soon, Mason. Like, bit of some controversial, like, you know, endings in the past and whatnot.
Starting point is 00:13:58 It's Game of Thrones, Mason. Yeah, I was there. I was zagged. I was zagged. You thought I was going to zig. Didn't you? Didn't you? I mean.
Starting point is 00:14:04 You're tweeting about it right now. Oh, no, I'm going off. I didn't even. You thought I was going to zig. Didn't you? Didn't you? I mean. You're tweeting about it right now. No, I'm going off. I didn't even notice, but I'm going right off. But did you watch the House of Dragon trailer? No. Okay, so Game of Thrones is back and dragons, et cetera, and Matt Smith and so forth, speaking of Doctor Who. If you were to look at the trailer on YouTube right now,
Starting point is 00:14:20 does it have a lot of views? Are people thrilled about it? No, from the comments I read, the people are like, yeah, it's like I would have been excited for this like five years ago. It's got 9.6 million views and that's just on the HBO website. That's a lot though. Yeah, no, it's good. It's good.
Starting point is 00:14:37 But it's like it's amazing how much better visually it is than other recent fantasy shows. That is probably true actually. There's a lot of money in this, I reckon. Yeah, the top comments are quite popular. And so I just went to the latest comments, and this one said, Try to ruin my another ten years, huh? Fuck off, HBO.
Starting point is 00:14:59 Good point. Yeah. History does not remember blood. It remembers terrible rushed endings to a series that took up 10 years of my life. Is history remembers blood? Is that the tagline for this? Probably, yeah. Are you sure?
Starting point is 00:15:10 The strings at the end brought me to tears. Please, HBO, by humble request, anything less than perfect for this series would be nothing. Nothing! That's you. You're going off on this. I'm going ham on these guys. So, yeah, I think they have a long way to kind of build back. A bit of trust.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Yeah, but I think it can be done, you know. It can be done. These aren't the original showrunners though. No, this is a whole new team and new actors and everybody and so forth. So, yeah, I think the lessons have been learnt, you know, in terms of like rushing a finale and jumping away to make a Star Wars movie that you then don't make. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:15:48 People know that now. It's called the Eastwood rule, isn't it? I think so, yeah. Cool, okay. Scott Eastwood made it. Scott Eastwood made it? Yeah. I didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:15:58 Anyway, of course, there was another trailer this week because it was May the 4th, and we saw a new trailer for Kenobi. Now, Mason, you're a fan of Obi-Wan Kenobi, is that true? Yes, James. What do you like about this particular trailer? Gosh, let me think. Did you see Darth Vader in it where they put him together? I did see that, like a Lego man.
Starting point is 00:16:17 Like a Lego man. Yeah, I did see that. Did you see the chest plates got spikes that go right into him? Yeah. I wouldn't like that. Yeah. Would you like it? Like a USB stick.
Starting point is 00:16:28 Yeah, because they had to keep turning it around. It wouldn't go in, so they turned it around, but then it still wouldn't go in, so they turned it around another, and then it went in. Weird. It's like, this is so painful. It would be, I'd imagine. I'm assuming that's all his, like, fluids and vitamins and stuff, right?
Starting point is 00:16:43 He probably needs a bunch of that stuff to keep him alive. Because I don't know if you know this all his, like, fluids and vitamins and stuff, right? He probably needs a bunch of that stuff to keep him alive. Because I don't know if you know this, but, like, in the comics and more of late, like, he can't be in the suit for that long. Right. Like, they have to, like, take him back and basically, like, hose him down and, like, put him in Bacta. Hose him down in the backyard. Pretty much, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:59 Give him a backyard Bacta. Yeah, and then keep him on, like, keep him in, like, you know, just floating in a thing just until they need him again. Right. So. You know what? I'd probably just get a new guy. Get a new guy?
Starting point is 00:17:11 Yeah, get a new guy. Don't you think the emperor's thought of getting a new guy, Mason? No. Do you think that's never crossed his mind? I think he's been in the management position too long, and he thinks he's correct all the time. Yeah, you're probably right, actually. I reckon if somebody would get in his ear and just be like, hey, Sheev.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Yeah. Or Shmee, whichever one you are, actually. I reckon if somebody would get in his ear and just be like, hey, Sheev. Yeah. Or Shmee, whichever one you are. Get a new guy in. Well, he's got the Inquisitors. Well, that's true, yeah. You know what I mean? But none of them seem to be matching up anyway. We know from follow-on movies that he doesn't get a new guy. That is true, actually. Is that a spoiler? I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Okay, good. So there you go. What else is in that trailer? We see a little snippet of young Luke Skywalker. He's living his dream. He's pretending to be in a fighter plane. Kill people. Pretending to carpet bomb some innocent villagers, sure, in an X-Wing. Absolutely. We see that.
Starting point is 00:17:56 We see Joel Edgerton. Yeah, he's not going to go to time. Looking a little worse for wear. There's a line. Looking pretty sweaty. Yeah, well, it's a sweaty place. It's a sweaty place, yeah. But that's the bit where he's like, I'm going to train this boy.
Starting point is 00:18:07 And he's like, get out of here, mate. You get the fuck out of here. And the last one, turn around, you dumbass. You dumbass. You fucking flog. Get out of here, mate. You know. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:21 Classic Aussies. Yeah. Just at it. That's right. Yeah. You looking at my wife, et cetera. What else we got? Oh, there's some big city dreams.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Oh, yeah. Some whatever. Oh, that's the Inquisitorious. So he's still been looking for Kenobi for 10 years. What is this city? Is this Coruscant? That's a new one. It doesn't look like Coruscant.
Starting point is 00:18:39 No, it's not. It's got a name. I can't remember what it is. I did my first trailer breakdown. But basically, it's like a Vegas-y kind of situation. We've got a little bit of Obi-Wan. He's on a database there. That's like prequel era.
Starting point is 00:18:55 That is. That's the last photo they have of him. And look, they are disproving the theory that nobody can read in the Star Wars universe. How do you know that? That's true. Maybe those are just pretty symbols. Absolutely right.
Starting point is 00:19:07 He's got a gun. Yeah, he's got a gun. Where's his lightsaber for the entirety of this? I think it's like you don't want to use it. If you don't have to, you don't. See there? He can do some flips and some spins, but he's not. Oh, Kamal Nanjiani is in this and he's not animated.
Starting point is 00:19:21 I assume. You thought he was going to be a robot. A sassy robot. No, he's buff now. He a robot, a sassy robot. No, he's buff now. He can't be a sassy robot. That's true, yeah. I wonder if he's that guy who comes to Tatooine and is like, help me, help me, and then he gets hung.
Starting point is 00:19:32 You know, it was in the last trailer. Oh, yeah. I don't know, but yeah. The interesting thing about, I think, this series is going to be, one of the things is that all of those Inquisitors are former Jedi and he's like, so he would know a bunch of them. Sure. You know, because he was one of the guys in the chairs of those Inquisitors are former Jedi, and so he would know a bunch of them. Sure. Because he was one of the guys in the chairs, you know?
Starting point is 00:19:49 Yeah, yeah. Because once you cut a Sith Lord in half, you get a chair. That's the rule. Yeah, for sure. Even if you do it by accident. No, it's you. We shared goss around the water cooler, and now you're here to kill me? How rude.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Very rude. Very rude. Anyway, so that's our uh end of this month i want to say i bought you a cake at the supermarket for your birthday i went down the shops and that's the thing like a lot of them are like were children betrayal from someone i went down the shops for a lot of them were kids or like had to one hate that word. Padawan learners. Not all of them. So like, you know, the Emperor got them young or Darth Vader was like, yeah, we can do something with this, I reckon. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:20:33 So, yeah, I'm really looking forward to that. They're doing two episodes, I think, in the first week. And then it's only six in title. So, yeah, and they're talking already of like maybe we'll do more episodes, but I kind of don't want them. I kind of want them to just do it and like do it well and not like leave it open-ended for more stuff i kind of want to like just lock it down and just but whatever what about if they did it poorly but there was a lot of it yeah well that's that's interesting actually you say that option isn't it so it would never end and i would hate watching every way and and and it would get worse and worse and the actors would get like –
Starting point is 00:21:05 More and more would leave. Yeah, and like Ewan McGregor, like he'd be visibly looking at his watch in some scenes because he's like, you know what I have to go do? I have to do another movie. We're doing The Island too. Yeah, that would be terrific. So basically you're talking about –
Starting point is 00:21:22 The Island goes the opposite of Tropical. It's a different island. It's a different island. It's a different island. Well, there was no island in the first one. That's true, yeah. Yeah. Spoiler alert. The island too, there's still no island.
Starting point is 00:21:32 We looked. We couldn't see it. That's the fear of the walking. Oh, not the fear of the walking. That's the walking. The island too, everybody just has a big bin on their head. They're just wandering around. There's an island painted.
Starting point is 00:21:45 Okay. Anyway, I was going to say, you're basically talking about the Walking Dead model. Like a bunch
Starting point is 00:21:50 of cast just start leaning. It's called The Kenobi Show, but he's not in it. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:21:55 It's called The Kenobi Showbie. Yeah. So that's fun. But it's one of those shows
Starting point is 00:21:59 where, I was just thinking about, there was a show, there was a British show called Spooks. It was called
Starting point is 00:22:03 MI6. Yeah, it's got Mike McFadden, Brian McFadden? No. Yeah, Brian McFadden. Which McFadden is it? Mike, the one, yeah, the guy. The one in Succession.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Yeah, yeah, that guy. He's in it. I think Brian McFadden might be from Westlife. But they did the thing in that show a bunch. It was called MI6 in the US, I think. But they did the thing in that show where one of the cast members left. They just replaced him with an actor who looked very similar and sort of hoped nobody noticed.
Starting point is 00:22:26 They were a different character. Matthew McFadden. There we go. But like, if the blonde MI6 agent, like the blonde lady MI6 agent left, they just replaced her with another blonde MI6 lady
Starting point is 00:22:35 and they're like, cross their fingers the audience won't notice. That made a, they made a movie of that a few years ago with Kit Harington. I remember that.
Starting point is 00:22:41 Yeah. They did, there was a similar thing in Australia for Blue Heelers. Go on. I'm listening. It was a local cop show. Charlie Clawson was in it actually. I remember that. Yeah. There was a similar thing in Australia for Blue Heelers. Go on. I'm listening. It was a local cop show. Charlie Clawson was in it, actually.
Starting point is 00:22:48 I wasn't listening until just now. Yeah. But from ToeFop and FoeFop and various other endeavors. But yeah, he was in that show. But Lisa McCune was the, no one cares about this, was the main actress in that show. And I think it was like five years running, she won the Gold Logie. And then she quit and they replaced her with someone who looked exactly like her. Did she still win the Gold Logie?
Starting point is 00:23:07 She won it again the next year even though she wasn't doing it. Maybe there was some kind of date, like kind of fudgy week and be like technically she won it, but she was. Anyway, that's what's going to happen at Kenobi. It's just going to keep going. He's going to win Gold Logies? He's going to keep winning Gold Logies. Even when he's not in the show?
Starting point is 00:23:21 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Thank you to everyone from TV Week for voting and clipping that coupon out. That's right. They must do a Twitter poll now or something, right? Yeah, probably, yeah. They'd have to.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Anyways, there was another trailer which one of us saw this week because the other one didn't want to get up from his chair. It was me. I didn't want to. I couldn't be bothered. It was. So when we went to the Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Australian, Melbourne, premiere, Mason, a premiere event.
Starting point is 00:23:47 They were showing Doctor Strange in one theatre and on a continuous loop they were playing the Avatar 2 trailer in another theatre. I sat down and I thought, I want to get up again. Yeah, but I said, I guess I better go watch this trailer. So I went in there and they handed me my 3D glasses and I went, all right. So I went in there and they handed me my 3D glasses and I went, all right. And look, and like seeing it, okay, no, look, I fucking hate 3D. I still hate it.
Starting point is 00:24:13 I thought it would be better. It was not better. As soon as I put on the glasses and looked at the screen, I was like, I hate this. I really hate this. Let me ask you this question. Do you think that going to a 2D session of this will be any worse than seeing? No, I think it would be better. Yeah, I mean, there's no advantage. It doesn't seem like, I think it probably, if you had it under the right circumstances,
Starting point is 00:24:35 and I know that James Cameron has been trying to bring forward, like, glasses-less 3D technology, but we're clearly not here yet. So they're basically doing what they did in 2009. And I think you can adjust. You know what I mean? You sit there long enough in it. But look, that aside, yeah, it looks incredible. Like it's a completely crafted world that he's built in.
Starting point is 00:24:55 If you love like blue people swimming with things that look like whales and like, you know, looking full on and holding bow and arrows on each other. Yeah. I did see some screenshots that had been put on Twitter and it did, like there was some sort of like used universe kind of like. I saw some like, you know, military looking headboard and stuff. It was looking very good.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Yeah, it will be like the most like visually impressive movie you ever made or one of, you know. It's entirely digital mostly, you know, for the most part. But yeah, look, it's like 10 years on or whatever and they have kids and stuff and it's the way of water, et cetera. Sure. You know? Very exciting.
Starting point is 00:25:31 I didn't stay, like, twice. I just went, yep, got it, and I left, you know. People were staying twice? I think they were, yeah. Whoa. But, yeah, look, I'm looking forward to seeing it. I just don't like 3D and I just don't. Why stop it?
Starting point is 00:25:44 I don't want to do 3D movies for just don't why stop it i don't want to do 3d movies for the next five years again like we had to last time don't set any trends james cameron no i don't know about you but i did not enjoy that situation and they just post convert everything and it's i don't look also i don't think post conversion is that much worse than like filming in 3d that's probably blasphemous but i don't think like the dip in quality is that much worse than like filming in 3D. That's probably blasphemous. But I don't think like the dip in quality is that bad. It's like what it is. It's like it still to me always looks like one image slightly in front of another image. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:13 I don't need that. Well, to me, it's a whole new world. I mean, I understand like depth when I look at a screen. You know what I mean? Like I get it. If someone's at the front and there's something behind them, I understand what's going on. Like I don't need like a further addition to that for me to be immersed in the world.
Starting point is 00:26:29 I hope it's great, though, really. It seems to be getting a positive reception. I've seen some people who have posted there was dead silence when they saw the trailer, but other people, there's footage of people whooping and hollering. Were those people whooping and hollering dressed as Na'vi? No, they were dressed as Nazis. I don't know what that is, though.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Oh, no. Yeah, it might have been a different kind of event. I don't know. I don't know, mate. I don't know why they played the Avatar trailer at one of those events. Yeah, right. But that's what happens, you know?
Starting point is 00:26:55 Got to rile that crowd up somehow. Got to rile them up. Anyway, we'll see that on December 16th or whenever it's out. Probably. If you had a choice how to say it, how would you say it? Today? Yeah. On my phone?
Starting point is 00:27:10 Horizontal? Vertical? Vertical portrait mode, yeah. Just switching it during. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. But I'm always slightly behind the action.
Starting point is 00:27:19 So I'm like, oh, this would do well in vertical. And I flip it over and then it's like, oh, no, it's gone. Okay. I have a terrible time. Exactly. And then somebody asked me what I thought of it, and I'm like, I don't think it was that good, actually. Yeah, actually, you know.
Starting point is 00:27:33 Third in useful word. No, you know what? I want to see it on a petrol pump. Oh, yeah. Sometimes you get to the petrol pump at the servo. I don't like how you walk past them, and they yell at you now, the petrol pumps. They're like, hello, insurance, hello.
Starting point is 00:27:46 It's a kangaroo yelling at me like an animated kangaroo. I don't like it. Well, I want to see 10 seconds at a time at the petrol pump over several years until I've, you know. Yeah, so it's always a different 10 seconds when you. Maybe, I don't know. I don't know how these things work. It's like a problem, I guess. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:05 If they want you to catch Avatar, they need to work around your schedule of getting petrol once a week. Last bit of news, and I think this leads into or does lead into the movie we're going to talk about this week. This is via The Wrap. They asked Sam Raimi about a Darkman sequel, and he said, Universal is talking
Starting point is 00:28:21 about a Darkman sequel. There's a producer attached. I haven't heard the story yet or gone into it i'm so busy with dr strange but i think it's cool uh he also asked about liam neeson he said i don't know if he'd do it but he'd be incredible i think he would do it yeah what's what is interesting about all that you've just said all those words you've said is it sounds like sam Sam Raimi is not involved at all. Yes. It seems that way. So there's a director called Josh Rubin, and we actually talked, we've done a commentary for The Dark Man.
Starting point is 00:28:52 It's up now. We just did it. Yeah, it's up now. That's right, yeah. So this is quite coincidental, Mason. Maybe you had not seen. No, it turns out. But, yeah, we talk a bit about.
Starting point is 00:29:01 Except on a petrol pump, obviously. Yes, obviously. Well, I'm still working my way through it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's a director called Josh Rubin who did Werewolves Within, used to talk a bit about. Except on a petrol pump, obviously. Yes, obviously. Well, I'm still working my way through it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's a director called Josh Rubin who did Werewolves Within. He used to be a college humor. He's like. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:29:10 Yeah, so he's up and coming and whatever. But he's been talking about wanting to do it. So I wonder if, like, someone like him would be involved. I think he'd be really good. But, yeah, look, if you do want to see our commentary, bigsandwich.co where we talk over the movie Darkman, which is a pretty fun time. James, did you have fun?
Starting point is 00:29:26 I did have fun, actually. I kind of wish I could watch it without you fucking yapping in my ear the whole time. Well, you can't. No, that's true, actually. Set a precedent. That's true. That's how I watch all my movies now. If you try to watch it again, I'll know.
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Starting point is 00:30:42 The time of a multiverse of madness is upon us yet again. Second time for the year, actually. Right? Second time in as many weeks we have been blessed with a multiversal movie. Do you think this will be the end of it? No. Correct. I think there are going to be so many.
Starting point is 00:30:57 Yeah. Forever and always. Yeah. You know what I mean? Or at least the next three to four years. Do you think that we're going to get more and more multiverse stuff? I mean, obviously we are with Marvel. Do you think we're going to get more multiversal stuff off the back
Starting point is 00:31:10 of these two movies, Doctor Strange and everything, everywhere all at once? Or just because the pop culture landscape has sort of been primed in the last few years for this sort of stuff? I think like – I kind of feel like audience – like they've gone, okay, well, let's have, you know, connected movies and all that sort of stuff. I think like I kind of feel like audience, like they've gone, okay, well, let's have, you know, connected movies and all that sort of stuff. And then I think.
Starting point is 00:31:30 People are ready for this next layer. Yeah, I think producers generally and like overhead creative types are just like, yeah, I think we can do this. We can, yeah. Well, it's funny you should say that because on this movie I saw an interview with one of the writers who was like, well, I saw how in Rick and Morty they can do like a 20-minute episode and introduce the concept of like a new multiverse, explain it to you, and then throw the concept away. Yeah, because everybody died in that universe.
Starting point is 00:31:52 Or whatever, yeah. Because Rick and or Morty killed everyone. And they've been doing that for like nearly a decade now. That's true, yeah. So I think that informed a lot of like, we don't need to linger on too much what is happening here. And we can kind of speed through it and people will ultimately get it. Anyways, we're going to be talking non-spoilers and then spoilers
Starting point is 00:32:11 for the Multiverse of Madness. I want to do some box office numbers, Mason, and I'm rolling up my sleeves because this is serious business. Big tough business. I haven't crunched the numbers. That's why I have to roll them up. Yeah, so can you just hold the line for 10 to 15 minutes? I mean, we could just pause the recording.
Starting point is 00:32:29 Hold the line, please. No, okay. So it costs $200 million. Okay, I'm listening. It's looking to have a $190 to $194 million US opening, which is the 9th to 11th, depending on, biggest opening of all time in the US. In terms of Marvel movies?
Starting point is 00:32:47 In terms of movies. Everything. Opening, yeah. It's also going to, I mean, also, you've got to adjust for inflation, so the biggest movie of all time is still something I can't remember. We'll let somebody else crunch those numbers. Yeah, yeah, exactly. No, I can do it.
Starting point is 00:32:58 Hold the line, Mason. Oh, my God, he's doing it. So they reckon that and coupled with, you know, the international box office, it's going to be about a $400 million weekend. My goodness. Now, this is, of course, without a Chinese release. Now, you were telling me about this earlier this week,
Starting point is 00:33:15 but there's a reason, we think a very specific reason why it doesn't. Oh, was I saying that? Yeah, well, there's the Epoch Times. Oh, right, right, okay, yes. It's a look in. So in the scene, well, probably presumably a number of scenes in New York, but specifically in the scene in the trailer where Strange is fighting the big squid monster.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Yeah. There is like a little newspaper box with some Chinese characters. It's yellow and it's got Chinese characters on it. Yeah. And that is a delivery box for the newspaper from the. The Epoch Times. Yes. Yes. Which is a.
Starting point is 00:33:52 It's an anti-CCP. Yeah, it's an anti-Chinese Communist Party newspaper, yeah. And we don't know whether that was an intentional kind of inclusion. Because they are all over the place in New York. Yeah, or it's just one of those things where, you know, maybe somebody put it in intentionally. Yeah. or it's just one of those things where, you know, maybe somebody put it in intentionally. Yeah. Or it's like we need some Chinese characters.
Starting point is 00:34:09 Or I think it might have been just we need to. Something on a newsstand. Yeah, exactly. We need some. We just need a little, you know, authentic New York flavor, and that's what we're going to do. And maybe that has inflamed some anger. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:24 I wonder whether that's going to become the uh i wonder whether maybe that has uh inflamed some anger yeah i wonder whether that has um that's going to become the norm for marvel movies because it used to be like we saw with iron man 3 they're including scenes to get you know to get a wider release in china but we recently saw there was a request to get the statue of liberty removed from no way home which didn't end up happening obviously and there were i saw also there were levels that they were willing to kind of take it down to, to have the film released. Right.
Starting point is 00:34:49 One was to include less shots of the Statue of Liberty because it was too patriotic. Less of its face? And, yeah, and one was to darken it in certain shots. And I think they just went, ah, seems hard. So we're not going to do it. Anyways, what do you think the story was? Oh, right. So Doctor Strange.
Starting point is 00:35:06 Yeah. He's hanging out. He's loving being strange, you know? Yeah, he is a bit. He's not the Sorcerer Supreme anymore. We knew that already. But he's just living large in New York City, just having regrets and doing magic. That's right.
Starting point is 00:35:23 But then there's a bunch of these bloody monster attacks in New York. What's behind that? What is it? Well, I mean, there's monster attacks and they're after a girl. Yes. America is her name, America Chavez. That's right. She's got a special power.
Starting point is 00:35:35 What is it? We'll never tell. I mean, it's in the trailers, right? She's got – she can – I think anything in the trailers we're kind of going to talk about, but obviously there are some major spoilers, which we will not be covering. And if you're familiar with that character from the comic books,
Starting point is 00:35:47 she can punch her way through multiverses to other parallel universes. I mean, in the comic books she can do it easy as pie, but the America Chavez we see in this movie, not quite there. Not quite there yet, yeah. I thought she was really good. Her name is Sochi Gomez. Yeah, I thought she was great. Like they were a good kind of pairing, you know what I quite there yet, yeah. I thought she was really good. Her name is Sochi Gomez. Yeah, I thought she was great. Like, they were a good kind of pairing.
Starting point is 00:36:07 You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. So Doctor Strange, of course, has to figure out where are these monsters coming from, what do they want with her. And what will I do about it? Yeah, magic. Yeah. Multiverse.
Starting point is 00:36:17 Who's the villain? Sort of in the trailer, but I guess we can't really say. We can't do it. No, we can't do it. Yeah. So, yeah. Now, look, I think there has been a mixed reception to this. The people who have sent in their emails and tweets, not all,
Starting point is 00:36:31 but there's been a bit of like this maybe this wasn't what I was expecting. Also, we didn't mention Sam Raimi is directing this. Oh, and Sam Raimi is directing this. I mean, people would know that, of course, but, you know, this is Sam Raimi's first foray back into superhero stuff since Spider-Man 3. That's right, yeah. And, yeah, and so we'll probably get into precisely how Sam Raimi-ish this movie is.
Starting point is 00:36:49 Yeah. We can do a bit of that now. So, yeah, it's definitely, and I found this going in, but I think I was expecting this after kind of the last few trailers and some comments from like Kevin Feige of it's not as multiversal as you might think. It's not like a thousand multiverses and a thousand cameos, you know, and it is at its core, especially on the back end,
Starting point is 00:37:12 it's a very Sam Raimi-esque kind of. Yeah. And then obviously you've got your camera moves and whatever, which you recognise from his work, but the introduction of certain characters and certain tropes and, you know, the kind of ghoulish kind of nature of a lot of this. Yeah, it's grubby. It's a bit grubby.
Starting point is 00:37:28 I mean, for an MCU movie, I should say. Yeah, and I think, you know, something that has arisen over the last couple of days on Twitter as this movie has seen a wider release, more people are seeing it, is that a lot of people, I think, have perhaps forgotten how far PG-13 movies are allowed to go. Yeah. Especially Marvel ones, which I think, you know how far PG-13 movies are allowed to go. Yeah. Especially Marvel ones, which I think, you know. There's some surprising.
Starting point is 00:37:49 They're allowed to have a PG-13 rating, but I think a lot of, especially Marvel stuff, just doesn't really go, like it doesn't go as far as it could. And so I think a lot of people are surprised in this one, you know, the level of. There's a bit of gore in it. There's a little bit of gore, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:38:07 And I think, yeah, I mean, it was kind of a... No F-bombs? Is that the... I think that's still the rule. And of course, you know it's a Sam Raimi movie because Bruce Campbell is in it for a bit. Here's a question for you, though. What do you need going into this?
Starting point is 00:38:21 I don't think you need anything. I mean, I think obviously like WandaVision helps. Yeah, okay, but here's the thing. I was thinking about this because a lot of people are like, oh, my God, this is absolutely impenetrable. I don't think it's that. No, well, that's the thing. I don't think it is.
Starting point is 00:38:34 I think back to when you were like 10, if you went to a – there wouldn't have been a comic book store, but like a newsagent or something and you picked up just a random comic book that had this plot in it, you'd figure it out. Yeah. You'd go, okay, well, there's Doctor Strange and there's Scarlet Witch and they've got magic powers and they know each other and then here's a situation and Doctor Strange has to figure out
Starting point is 00:38:57 what's going on and here's some action sequences and we meet some characters and you get it. Yeah. There's some multiversal travel. You wouldn't be like, what? I don't fully understand all this. I can see you being like, I don't like this. Okay, sure.
Starting point is 00:39:11 But, yeah, I think you're right in terms of, like, I think it does a good enough job to explain the characters' motivations and what is happening and what is going to happen, you know? Yeah, and I think ultimately it is about, you know, it is about Strange and America teaming up and saving themselves from the multiverse. I don't think you necessarily need to understand the – we'll get into it, though, and I think there are some questions
Starting point is 00:39:36 to do with character, I think, that we will have to talk about in spoilers, but I think that's worth getting into. But I don't think you need – I think this does a really good job of just you get in there and you have a fun time. Again, if you are primed to understand the multiverse, which we all are, or if you've seen everything everywhere all at once a couple of weeks ago. Yes. This is – I mean this also –
Starting point is 00:39:59 It's not as complicated as that. No, it's less complicated than that. So I think that's – in this movie in this movie we see sort of a taste of what happens if you tumble through the multiverse, which I think is probably not even as complicated or as the first Doctor Strange where, remember, he just has that sort of trip where he tumbles through various states of consciousness and he sees his hands grow a little.
Starting point is 00:40:23 His hands become eyes and his eyes are his knees or whatever. Yeah, and his fingers grow little hands and they have fingers and what have you. I don't think it's as weird as that. But I think, yeah, like it's certainly not as weird as in the previous movie we talked, multiversal movie, where every universe is where people have hot dogs for fingers or they're rocks or what have you. You know, there's a couple of – there's a scene which is in the trailer
Starting point is 00:40:43 which is they sort of tumble through the multiverse and you see various universes. There's one where everybody's paint and there's a scene which is in the trailer which is they sort of tumble through the multiverse and you see various universes. There's one where everybody's paint and there's a sort of animated thing and there's some various worlds of different technological advancement and what have you and then they spin out and they end up in the universe that they happen to be in for the next scene or whatever. And it's not, you know, it's not, you won't be like, I don't understand what's happening.
Starting point is 00:41:04 You get it. I mean they really kind of rest in really a couple of multiverses and then kind of in between spaces, kind of, that's kind of where the movie kind of takes place. Do you wish there was more multiversal stuff? Because I think there is something to be said for, and Kevin Feige mentioned this specifically, he thought they spoiled too much in the trailers.
Starting point is 00:41:26 I think those reviews in the trailers lead to more expectation. And I know I certainly had these going in of more cameos. Oh, right. And like more worlds. And it's not really that much beyond what we see in the trailer, minus like a couple of pretty significant inclusions. I think those trailers like have hurt people's perception of this movie. Oh, definitely, yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Yeah. I don't know. I don't think I really went in. I reckon probably my expectations of this movie were tempered by a lot of, probably a lot of the Marvel TV stuff and Spider-Man No Way Home where, you know, a lot of, you know, we spent weeks and months going, oh, my God, who's going to show up in this next thing?
Starting point is 00:42:07 No one. Just the main cast. Boo. Boring. No, but I think I don't know. And maybe that is a case of, like, Spider-Man No Way Home really kicked people's expectations up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:20 To expect a huge reveal, but I'm not even sure. I think, though, there are reveals in this that are bigger than that movie, which, again, we will talk about. But I think, yeah, I think those expectations were set so high from Spider-Man and then from these trailers. But I also think that I liked how it kind of went away from that stuff towards the end. I liked that it became more kind of Sam Raimi, Grimey, Evil Dead-y kind of.
Starting point is 00:42:44 I enjoyed that aspect of it. I wasn't like, oh, man, I would have liked to have seen this person, this person, this person, this person, which I can also understand people wanting at this point. But, no, I kind of liked the turn that it took away from that kind of stuff, to be honest. And you know what I loved about this movie? It was restraint, I think, as well.
Starting point is 00:43:02 Yeah. It's a movie where the main character is a sorcerer and there was some cool magic in it. That's another thing I was going to ask you about because you took great umbrage. I did take great umbrage. I was just going to say the word umbrage. It was a Twitter storm.
Starting point is 00:43:14 I was real Dolores Umbridge about it. He was. A big racist. Is that right? Yes, yes. I'm going ham on Twitter. For wizard stuff, though, just to clarify. Where you were like, there's just a bunch of firecracker
Starting point is 00:43:26 kung fu in this and not much else in terms of spells. Yeah, every spell was just that weird orange grid and then something would happen with the grid. And I'm like, that's not what... And there's a bunch of weird orange grid spells in this too. Like he does a big buzzsaw. That's good fun. But yeah, there
Starting point is 00:43:42 is definitely a greater exploration of his powers and there's one sequence in particular which is quite musical in nature. Did you enjoy that? I did enjoy it a lot. I didn't think I was going to, but then I'm like, no, this is cool actually. It was very Fantasia, I thought. Okay, yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:59 If you go into this movie expecting Evil Dead meets Fantasia or, you know, what's Spider-Man? Spider-Man 2 meets Fantasia. Sure, yeah. I think you'll have a fun time. Yeah. No, that's some of the elements that I really enjoyed about that, just saying, like, what else can this guy do?
Starting point is 00:44:14 And also not explaining everything that he does. Like, you know, he'll do a thing and I'm like, yeah, okay, he can do that, that's fine. And also, even though I haven't looked up everything that he's done, I just trust that that's probably a thing he's done in the comics. You know what I mean? Because it usually is the case. Wow, he opened a bottle with his eye.
Starting point is 00:44:34 Oh my god, he pulled his thumb off with his other hand. Wow, and he keeps putting it on and off again. His knees are swapping sides. Now there's one thing that I And I just lean in He can do that in the comics Sorry about that
Starting point is 00:44:48 There was actually an element of this Which I thought was quite noticeable And it all went down It came down to Wong's hair Okay I don't know if you noticed But his hair changes Like scene to scene
Starting point is 00:44:58 Depending on whether it's a reshoot There were significant reshoots In this movie I got a little information here From Sam Raimi on it Okay There's moments where Wong's got like cropped hair And then the next scene He's got like his hair's like an inch long There were significant reshoots in this movie. I've got a little information here from Sam Raimi on it. Okay. There's moments where Wong's got, like, cropped hair,
Starting point is 00:45:09 and then the next scene he's got, like, his head's, like, an inch long. And it happens, like, a few times throughout the movie. But he says, Sam Raimi said, I don't actually remember the length of the first cut. It was probably, like, two hours and 40 minutes, and it slowly came down even though we did the reshoots. We took out material even though the reshoots went in. So it slowly got down to two hours and five minutes.
Starting point is 00:45:28 So the reshoots actually took, like, took a bunch of stuff out of this movie. Oh, interesting. Yeah, to bring it right down. There's no information at the moment about what in particular, other than Rachel McAdams at one point was going to play three variants of her character. And without spoiling it, it's a different number. Yes, it is a different number. That's the first thing we'll spoil in spoilers.
Starting point is 00:45:47 It's between one and a hundred. That's right. We'll tell you how many variants of Rachel McAdams' character, whose name is Christine, I've just remembered. Christine Palmer? I don't know. Yes, that's right. Christine Chicken Palmer.
Starting point is 00:46:01 So that's good fun. But I think one of the strengths of this movie is, like, there's a very significant kind of multiverse moment, which everybody has been talking about, but I think I enjoyed the adventure around that just as much for the most part. Because a lot of this is, like, they're being, like, pursued through various dimensions and sometimes just corridors
Starting point is 00:46:23 or magical hallways or whatever. Sometimes New York City, baby. Yeah, and using magic to keep like one step ahead of this like thing that's chasing them. And I just really enjoyed that element of it, just saying like, you know, what happens if you use the mirror dimension as like a trap basically? It's just like a bear trap that locks you into it. And I mean to go back to like, you know know just a comic book where maybe some characters go through
Starting point is 00:46:49 the multiverse yeah i think they're i wouldn't read that and they got some characters go to a particular alternate universe and see maybe some some characters we slightly different designs of characters from their universe or whatever i wouldn wouldn't be like, my enjoyment of this comic book hinges on those characters from that universe and how they look and their new designs. I guess the difference here is, though, when you're bringing in actors, you've got a history of other movies and you've got, like, certain actors that might be involved. So I think that changes your perception of a story.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Not mine. Not yours. Okay, fair enough. Yes, I Bill's different. But I think also, I think people who are upset about there not being more multiverse stuff in it, I think that's a pretty valid complaint, like seeing how they kind of presented this movie and what's come before it.
Starting point is 00:47:38 I think a lot of that is expectation of like, oh, my God, Tom Cruise is going to fly in his Iron Man and whatever. That doesn't happen. Is that a spoiler? Or he does. We'll tell you. The second thing we'll tell you is whether Tom Cruise flies in his Iron Man and how many versions of him there are.
Starting point is 00:47:52 I think there is like a, you know, manager expectation. Flies in from his character as Cocktail. His character Cocktail, yeah. Yeah. But I think it's. Oh, Cocktail. It's his name. That's right.
Starting point is 00:48:04 I think it's, you know, I think some of that is justified and some of it is like you need to kind of keep your expectations in check, you know, because, again, they presented a lot of stuff of like what was going to be in it and they delivered like slightly more than what we, you know, did see. I mean, it is not, I'm not sure I would describe this adventure as a multiverse of madness. No, I don't agree with that, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:29 There are, I think, certain scenes where characters, whoever they might be, might be in the grip of madness, but I don't feel like anybody, I don't think anybody who was, you know, bouncing between parallel universes was like, I'm going mad from this. It was more a case of like, let's solve this little puzzle and we'll go to the next universe. Doctor Strange solves a series of little puzzles.
Starting point is 00:48:51 Yeah. Anyway, should we do some spoilers? Yes, I'm going to say best movie ever. Me too. Yeah, I mean, but also I feel like if they did just, if this, and I feel like they're building towards something. I don't know. Maybe they don't even know what this phase is going to be yet.
Starting point is 00:49:08 I've got some idea. I feel like if they just, if they tossed in a thousand parallel universes in this one. Yeah. And just cameo after cameo. Where do you go? Where do you go from there, you know? Yeah, you're right. Everybody settle down.
Starting point is 00:49:20 I'll say it now, I guess. I think they're probably going to do Secret Wars. I think that's what they're doing. And different versions of different people from whatever. And that's what I think they're doing. Okay. I don say it now, I guess. I think they're probably going to do Secret Wars. I think that's what they're doing. And different versions of different people from whatever, and that's what I think they're doing. Okay. I don't know that. Right. But at the same time, you heard it at first. Whoa. Spoilers, Mason?
Starting point is 00:49:34 Yes. Are you going to say best movie? Yes, I really liked it. And I think, again, I understand why people wouldn't, but the elements of this movie, for me, my enjoyment of it didn't hinge on seeing as many cameos as possible. Yeah. I think if it was just that movie, I probably would have been like, that was really cool seeing those people.
Starting point is 00:49:53 But also like what else is there to this movie? And I think there's more to it than just the handful of cameos that we do get. Yeah. I think, I mean, I, yeah. Do we know if Sam Raimi was required? We're not in spoilers yet. Do we know if Sam Raimi was required by the studio to put in a certain number of cameos?
Starting point is 00:50:10 I don't know, no. I'd say probably. I know Scott Derrickson, who worked on the first one, left for, like, creative reasons. I don't know. I think he wanted to take it in a more horror kind of element. But then also the rumour was that, or the thinking was, well, because Marvel wants to put a bunch of cameos in
Starting point is 00:50:29 and he'd disagree with that. But that's not what this is. So I'd be curious to know, like, what was the kind of, what caused them to kind of part ways. Anyway, if you're on the fence, folks, I think you should see it. But, again, temper your expectations. Imagine this is like a Phase 1 Marvel movie. Oh, I think it's a bit beyond that.
Starting point is 00:50:44 No, but in the sense that they didn't rely on cameos and who's going to be in it next and all that sort of stuff. Remember, this is just a story. It's a fun adventure story and it's a bit gross and it was fun
Starting point is 00:51:00 and the characters all worked well together and etc. Great stuff. Spoilers. Okay. Anyway. Wait, okay, so Rachel McAdams, there's one version of her character. That's right.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Wait, no, there's two. There's two, yes. I thought you were joking then. I thought you were doing a big joke. And Wanda is the villain. Specifically, there's the main universe one. And there's an alternate universe one who's like a multiversal, a doctor of multiversal theory
Starting point is 00:51:25 or whatever it is. That's pretty cool, isn't it? Yeah. And she's got red hair. Yeah. So Wanda Maximoff is the main villain in this. So the idea is that off the back of the WandaVision series, she wants to travel to another multiverse where her kids exist
Starting point is 00:51:40 because they don't exist in the main MCU timeline. Exactly. Kill the Wanda in that universe and take over that universe. But in order to do that, she wants to find and kill America Chavez and take her power. So instead of relying on her to transport her to a particular universe, she wants to have the power at all times in order to, if the kids
Starting point is 00:52:06 she abducts gets sick or whatever she can go to another parallel universe where where the cure exists or what have you yeah and so that's why she's after america chavez now this this reveal happens quite early on i think yeah it does this is like an act one reveal because and it's in it's pretty much in the trailers and it's immediate which i thought was really interesting yeah it's dr strange goes to uh wander for help and then he's like, oh, wait, you're the bad guy. She's like, I am the bad guy. And he's like, oh, no.
Starting point is 00:52:31 I'm right here. Oh, boy. I thought it was interesting the way that they deal with multiverses and basically now in the Marvel Universe, if you have a dream that is a version of you that is experiencing that thing in at this i guess at that moment in another multiverse and they could so whatever bizarre dream you've ever had there's a version of you having that experience well now we're gonna have to go through every mcu movie and tv show and find all the points where characters had dreams and figure out what's going
Starting point is 00:53:00 i mean well tony stark's like whole thing is is he had a vision about a future where aliens invade. And maybe that was from a dimension where that happened and they lost. Do you know what I mean? Or it could be he's having nightmares in Iron Man 3 about PTSD. And maybe that's all to do with it. I'm not sure. But I thought it was interesting where you can kind of infer what happened with WandaVision and where her children came from. Because in the, so we also know the MCU timeline is called the 616 timeline.
Starting point is 00:53:31 Well, according to the 348 timeline or whatever the other one is they go to. But she created her kids out of nothing. And I guess she created them because she had dreamt about them from another universe and built that house, which looks very similar to the house. Oh, so they are real children in the other universe. They're real in the other universes and she had maybe subconsciously or consciously dreamt of them and was able to recreate them in the regular reality.
Starting point is 00:53:58 Now here's the question, and people have been debating this online, is this character assassination? Okay. Here's the thing, did we when we left her yeah was it at the end of wandavision or is it something else i think it's the end of wandavision she just released everybody from the town and then she is in a cabin yeah and she is astral projecting and she's also reading stuff out of the dark hold or the stuff outside is not real and she's reading the Darkhold or whatever. But I kind of feel like that was supposed to be a portent for stuff to come.
Starting point is 00:54:31 Like I didn't look at that and go, oh, she's going to be an even better superhero now. She can do all this stuff and read from the Darkhold. Yeah, it seemed very ominous. Yeah. And I think a lot of people are saying, well, she learned a valuable lesson from WandaVision and now she should be a good guy. Why is she a bad guy again? I don't think she did learn valuable lesson from WandaVision and now she should be a good guy. Why is she a bad guy again? I don't think she did learn a lesson, really.
Starting point is 00:54:47 What I got from that is she's a bad person and she walked away. Yeah. That's what I got from it. And, like, a lot of people in that are lucky they're not dead. And it's strange that also, strange. Oh, that's the name of the movie. Like, the biggest jarring part for me is, like, she, like, spent a movie kind of zapping people at an airport.
Starting point is 00:55:05 And now she's, like, traveling through dimensions trying to murder children. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And, like, I think that's a bizarre, like, turn of events. But I don't necessarily think it's character assassination. And I know it also speaks to, like, the comics, which isn't an excuse for, like, doing anything, I guess. But she's not an all-good character like the comics, which isn't an excuse for like doing anything, I guess. But she's not an all good character in the comics either. And also in the comic books, whenever they need a sort of large, you know, universe spanning event to happen,
Starting point is 00:55:33 oftentimes they just go, hey, Wanda's gone crazy again. Wanda's gone crazy again. What's she going to do this time? Is she going to get rid of all the mutants? Is she going to make more mutants? The Phoenix Force just went crazy and that's over. So we need another woman to go crazy. Yeah, right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:47 So I guess that is the larger question to be discussed. I also liked that they made a hero a villain. You know? Yeah. And again, it is that case of like, okay, well if they want to do a season two of WandaVision or if they
Starting point is 00:56:04 want to reincorporate him into the movies again as a hero, they can just say the Darkhold made her evil. The Darkhold did it. There is always a way around these things, you know. Just grab another one from another dimension. I mean, she did kill a lot of innocent people, I think. Yeah, but not in the regular dimension. Oh, no, that's not true.
Starting point is 00:56:20 She killed a bunch of wizards, didn't she? Yep. In that weird wizard fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking of other dimensions, the significant one which people are talking about, I've actually wrote it here. It's Earth 838 according to them. That is the you go on radio universe?
Starting point is 00:56:33 Yes. Okay, great. That's right. Can you imagine such a place, James? I can't. Luckily, they had it on screen because I wouldn't have been able to visually interpret what was happening. Whatever.
Starting point is 00:56:43 I don't know. I don't know what I'm saying. But here's what I am saying, Mason. Go on. They introduced a version of the Illuminati. They don't have the Avengers. They've got a pack of nerds running things. And I recently said in a video that, like,
Starting point is 00:56:55 I love watching a pack of nerds get wrecked. And, boy, I mean like a council of nerds, I should say, not just like bullies picking on, you know, nerds. But so we've got Baron Mordo who basically may as well be regular Baron Mordo. Yeah, sure. He's essentially the exact same character. Regular Baron Mordo, we don't know what he's up to.
Starting point is 00:57:17 The last thing we saw, he stole Benjamin Bratt's walking legs powers and went, I'm going to do this for a bit. We've got Captain Marvel, but it's the Maria Rambeau version, presumably because she was in the accident. We've got Captain Carter, Peggy Carter. We've got Patrick Stewart as Professor X. Now, those ones had all been revealed in the trailers. Yes.
Starting point is 00:57:38 And I guess we should stress that, like, the Professor X version is not the one from the movies normally. I mean, it looks like him. Sure does. But he's got the big... We did a video on this, but he's got a big chair. He's got the big levitating wheelchair, the big golden wheelchair. So he is more akin to the animated version.
Starting point is 00:57:59 And his psychic powers have visible effects, which the other ones don't. Exactly. Actually, Patrick Stewart talked about returning again. He said, it's possible and likely that there will be even more appearances. I don't expect ever to be Jean-Luc Picard again, but there is potential maybe for a reappearance of Professor Xavier. Whoa. I think when they do introduce mutants, they're going to recast him.
Starting point is 00:58:22 But I think, yeah, he could turn up again. introduce mutants, they're going to recast him. But I think, yeah, he could turn up again. Now, in our audience, when all the reveals happened, the biggest reveal was for Mr. Fantastic probably. So the biggest cheer, I think, was for Mr. Fantastic. Not for me. That wasn't my biggest cheer. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:39 But, yeah, so they've cast. Your biggest cheer was when it was over, the whole movie. Because I had such a good time, Mason. So, yeah, so John Krasinski turns up looking exactly like all of the fan arts version of Reed Richards. Yeah, down to the costume and the logo, I think. Yeah, dead on to all of that. There was a moment where I saw him where he was, like,
Starting point is 00:58:59 looking at Doctor Strange and it felt like he wasn't looking at him and I'm like, did they shoot all this in different rooms? Maybe they did. What do you think about that casting though? Well, I mean, I wonder like is it because they would have, has the fan casting always been because you would get Krasinski and Emily Blunt together and they would probably be a pretty good. Part of it, I would say.
Starting point is 00:59:24 He didn't come across. Reed Richardson, mean, mean enough. Mean and smart enough. I don't know. Well, he was certainly a dumb guy. Yeah. He seemed more like a. They introduced him as the smartest man in the world.
Starting point is 00:59:37 That's true. And then he gets Swiss cheese or he gets string cheese, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I always see. That's a good question. And it's also based on everybody's assumption of what that character is like. I don't particularly see Reed Richards as mean necessarily.
Starting point is 00:59:53 More direct? I feel like he's – I mean, and it also depends on what, like, Fantastic Four comics you have read in your life. I kind of feel like he is like a nice family man, but he can be quite aloof or distracted because he's always got bigger stuff on his mind kind of thing. Stretching. Yes.
Starting point is 01:00:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a metaphor. I could sit down for dinner with my family, but I've got to do all this stretching. I've got to do this dance. You've got to say limber. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:00:20 I mean, yeah, I mean, he did get killed very, very easily. He certainly did, didn't he? Yeah. I mean, look, personally, I would have liked to have seen Yohan Griffith reappear. Oh, right, yeah. Because that way, like, there's no expectation that he's going to come back.
Starting point is 01:00:34 Yeah, right. Because I think there is an expectation that he's going to be Reed Richards. Well, didn't we even see, I think maybe I saw a tweet earlier, and maybe it was from one of those Twitter feeds that always lies, but I think it was like he's confirmed for Yeah, that's not surprising to me at all. But don't you think it would have been interesting if it was Yohan Griffith? Yes.
Starting point is 01:00:51 Because I guess they do take a big swing here of a character in a franchise that people didn't like. Just before we get to that, I think, and we mentioned this in the video we did, but I think it's interesting you pointed out that when Doctor strange meets reed richards he says to him when you incinerated in the i got that wrong he says um i thought he
Starting point is 01:01:13 said did didn't you get charred in the 60s but he said didn't you chart in the 60s so i think it was just like you're a guy in a 60s band fantastic oh i see that's fine okay right but i also think it could be a nod to like he was a guy that existed in the 60s band, Fantastic Four. Oh, I see. That's fine. Okay, right. But I also think it could be a nod to like he was a guy that existed in the 60s. I don't think that necessarily like negates that he might have recognized who that was. Okay. You know.
Starting point is 01:01:33 But it's interesting, I guess, that there's no Iron Man, there's no Hulk, there's no Thor. Like it's just a. Is that because they died while battling Thanos? I don't know. They weren't there when we saw that. So we don't really know. But no Spider-Man either.
Starting point is 01:01:48 And what's the deal with that? Because Doctor Strange remembers Spider-Man, but America Chavez doesn't know Spider-Man at all. And is that a result of the Spider-Man spell and people not remembering Peter Parker or the 70-odd dimensions she'd been to? Had they not yet? I think all the- They didn't have a Spider-Man.
Starting point is 01:02:05 Yeah, maybe they all died of radiation poisoning. Cool, that's cool. That is cool. Yeah. But, of course, the last. Unbelievable. The most mind-blowing appearance to me was. Who is, strictly speaking, he is in the Illuminati in the comic books.
Starting point is 01:02:19 He is, yeah, which makes sense why they put him in here, but the casting is incredible. So Black Agar-Baltagon. Yes. The king of the Inhumans, as played by Anson Mount, who played him in that horrible TV series. Yes. Not his fault. Chill.
Starting point is 01:02:38 I'll talk about it a bit later, but I watched the new Star Trek, Brave New Worlds or whatever, and he's good in that and other things. But that was like, because I'd heard rumblings. I hadn't seen the pictures, but I'd heard – I'd seen like Mr. Fantastic maybe trending, and I'm like, okay, what's that about or whatever. So I was kind of like semi-expecting it, I guess. Yeah, right. But that one was just like, wow, really?
Starting point is 01:02:57 That – wow. Like that really – that shook me to my core, Mason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a good way, though. I just thought it was really just they just acknowledged it. And they went with comic accurate costume with the little tuning fork on his head. Amazing. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:12 And then they killed them all in very graphic ways. So good. Great. I know, right? So. I wonder, do people generally speaking enjoy that scene? Because, again, it is, to the best of our knowledge an infinite multiverse so you can knock off as many guys as you want doesn't matter yeah doesn't matter
Starting point is 01:03:30 at all i also liked how it was kind of as you know wonder is like killing all these people it's cuts to dr strange just having like a fist fight and i'm like oh you can fist fight good you would you'd learn because maybe someone puts a magic talisman on you and you can't. Well, you learn all the kung fu. Exactly, yeah. I don't know. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:03:48 But I like that he can still do it. Yeah, right, right. He can fight. Well, we recently, for our Big Sandwich Classic Comic Book Club, our comic book podcast, we talked about Doctor Strange, The Oath. Yeah. And in that comic book, there is a sequence where two men, they were going to battle magically.
Starting point is 01:04:04 Doctor Strange expects a magical battle, but instead a little hourglass is turned that means that anybody within a certain radius can't use any magic, so it has to be just a fist fight. And Doctor Strange is just good at fist fighting. It turns out. Yeah. And there were shades of that in the movie as well. And he's probably got metal in his hands, which helps, I'd imagine, to hurt the other
Starting point is 01:04:23 people. And you, when you hit that. But just that first death of Black Bolt's head blowing out the back of his head, just, yeah, really good stuff. And then from there you get Reed Richards gets shredded and then his head pops at the very end. And then you see Peggy Carter just run off, like dart to the side, like, oh, no. And she lasts longer than you'd expect. But, like, oh, no. You know, and she lasts like longer than, you know, you'd expect.
Starting point is 01:04:47 But, yeah, I thought that was really great. Yeah. And she gets cut in half, it seems, by the shield. And then Monica Rambeau, yeah, gets smashed by a big statue. And that's Maria Rambeau. Maria Rambeau. Maria Rambeau. Their names shouldn't be so similar.
Starting point is 01:05:03 I don't like it. I don't like it. But, yeah, I just thought what a fun sequence. I really enjoyed it. Other fun sequences? Obviously the music magic fight. Yeah, absolutely. I liked it a lot.
Starting point is 01:05:16 Yeah. I completely agree. Oh, we didn't even talk about, we haven't talked about the other strangers. Oh, yeah, so there's two. It's true, yes. Well, there's three. There's one we sort of say from the weird Illuminati dimension. He used the Darkhold and as a result it corrupted himself.
Starting point is 01:05:31 But he was like, I'm going to use this to stop Thanos and then you can kill me because I don't want to do any of this stuff. Yes. There's regular Strange and then there's Ponytail Strange. Yes. There was also Zombie Strange. Yeah. But then there's another Strange.
Starting point is 01:05:44 Where's the other Strange? The guy with the third eye guy. Oh, yeah. And then there's Darkman Strange. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah Zombie Strange. Yeah. But then there's another Strange. What's the other Strange? The guy with the third eye guy. Oh, yeah, and then there's Dark Man Strange. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. There's four. You're right. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:51 I completely forgot about that one. Who's not the version from the What If? No, he's a different guy. Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, the point, when we go to that guy's universe, that's really the closest we get to a multiverse of madness. But it's really, it's just that guy in his own universe and he's gone mad.
Starting point is 01:06:07 Spooky, spooky, spooky time. Yeah. But other than that. Doctor Strange's spooky joint. Yeah, that's right, yeah. I honestly thought that there was going to be a moment towards the end where because they bury the zombie version of Strange in the regular universe.
Starting point is 01:06:20 I thought it's going to be Doctor Strange fighting a zombie. But I like how they twisted it where Doctor Strange had to use the body of a zombie to fight Wanda. It all tied together. I thought that was very fun. What I thought was interesting is that both this movie and Everything, Everywhere, All at Once both have a mechanic where you can enter the mind of a body, of your own body in another dimension.
Starting point is 01:06:40 Yeah. And I think it's just because they need a way to say, okay, there's a villain on the way yeah and look out look out exactly oh but you know the idea being obvious if the if the villain can just jump into the next multiverse or the next the next parallel universe it's all over pretty quickly so you have to introduce an element of like well yeah they can they can surveil yeah exactly the power so in in for a time for a time in this movie it's the dark old obviously the spell has that
Starting point is 01:07:09 the dark old has that particular spell and in everything everywhere it's a mystical RV highly technological RV you put on a headset or whatever and some bluetooth absolutely I thought that Wong was great in this I was kind of like are they going to kill Wong in this?
Starting point is 01:07:26 It's probably – and they didn't, which I appreciated because I like that character. But I thought also there was a bunch of like strange implications that kind of – Do you use a different word, queer? Bizarre. Okay. Out of sorts.
Starting point is 01:07:41 Peculiar. Peculiar, yeah. Implications for like what does this mean for like the greater universe, right? So for one, it seems that when you skip dimensions, your physical properties change. So if you go into a weird paint dimension. Turn into paint. Turn into paint.
Starting point is 01:07:56 You go to a cartoon world, you're a cartoon, which could mean that Peggy Carter is the one from the What If series. It could also mean Professor X is the animated Professor X, but he's just come into this universe. That is true also. And he's turned into Patrick Stewart. Yeah, you're right. Also, there's a moment where Doctor Strange meets his former doctor
Starting point is 01:08:15 who's a doctor with him and he says. Mr. Doctor. Mr. Doctor. Excuse me, sir. We haven't even mentioned. What's the name of that guy? Maybe you're about to talk about this guy. The guy who's old doctor mate.
Starting point is 01:08:27 Yeah. Yeah. So he gets like an, he's on the poster, that guy. So he gets an, and whatever the guy's name is, because he's in the first one, right? He's also in the oath. Yeah. Yeah. Which I won't spoil that comic here, but yeah, he's a rival doctor to Dr. Strange and he's
Starting point is 01:08:41 the one who operates on his hands. Yeah. And Dr. Strange is like, you suck at this. I actually do suck at this. I admit it. You got me. You must have signed on for the first one and it was a case of. I have to be on the poster.
Starting point is 01:08:56 And you get a title credit and a poster credit on the second one. Yeah. Because he's in it for five minutes. Yeah, absolutely. Not even five minutes. What is his name? Let me bring that up. His name's Michael Stahlberg.
Starting point is 01:09:10 There you go. So, yeah. So he's Nicodemus West, I want to say. So I guess I'm going to spoil the oath here. Okay, great. But you should read the oath. James, moments ago you said you weren't going to spoil the oath. Now I have to to explain this scenario.
Starting point is 01:09:23 So are they building up to that guy attempting to kill Strange? Maybe. Because in that comic he hires an assassin to shoot Strange with Hitler's gun. That's true. So is that where we're going here? And the other thing is, so are they going to do death? A gun which presumably has done roughly equal amounts of harm and good. That's true also.
Starting point is 01:09:41 Because he shot himself with it. But also as a result of Strange being. Do you think it like killed people individually? No. Did it kill some guys? I don't think so. Do you reckon he would? No, probably not.
Starting point is 01:09:52 I haven't seen the time. Yeah. Yeah. But also, so Doctor Strange also in the comics is currently dead. Ah. So I wonder if that guy would have anything to do with Doctor Strange being killed and then Clea taking over who, of course, makes an appearance in this movie.
Starting point is 01:10:07 But the other thing is he asked Doctor Strange, like, of all the scenarios that you ran through your head of, like, how to defeat Thanos, was that the one that, like, worked? And Doctor Strange was like, yes. And this movie had me thinking that maybe there was a scenario where Doctor Strange could sacrifice himself and he chose not to do that one. He chose to go with the Iron Man sacrifice.
Starting point is 01:10:28 Yeah, right. Everybody snapped and disappeared. Yeah, okay. So it made me think the way that he kind of responded to that made me think that he made a somewhat selfish choice to keep himself alive in the universe. Maybe. And that guy's mad about his cats or whatever he was talking about, yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:44 Also Ultron. Who did that? he was talking about. Also Ultron. Who did that? Who built Ultron? Probably Ultron. Was that previously evil Ultron and they turned him good or was this a universe where Ultron's good and servient? Oh, good question. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:56 You know who I thought might make an appearance if we're talking cameos? Ultron? No, Vision. Oh, yeah. I thought maybe if there was going to be a big reveal at the end, I thought perhaps it was going to be when, look also, first of all one of the things that I did really like was that it, I mean it did end
Starting point is 01:11:12 literally with a bunch of punches but they weren't punches to knock Wanda's head off. Yeah. America figures out her powers and she punches Wanda into back into the universe where her children are alive and the other Wanda is there. And that Wanda says that the children will be loved, so it's okay.
Starting point is 01:11:30 You know, you can't be here, but et cetera. And I thought that was nice that it wasn't just somebody getting their head twisted off or whatever. That does happen. That does happen. But I thought in that moment there might have been a point where like Vision comes down the stairs. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:45 You know, and he's like, hello. Hello, it's me, Vision. Hello, I'm not your version's extra dead. How did these kids this happen? Right? We don't know. Yeah, I didn't really think about that during the movie, but yeah, it's kind of surprising that they didn't put him in. And we know he's out there.
Starting point is 01:12:02 Like, yeah, there's the version that she made made which dissolved and then the original version with the white-bodied Vision who's just pulled off. But also maybe it was a case of if you bring Vision into the final scene and the scene just keeps going because then Wanderer would have a long conversation with this guy. Get back to the punches.
Starting point is 01:12:22 So if we just assume he's also dead in that universe, it saves a lot of time. I thought the – so he kind of uses a bunch of ghoul ghost things as like a cape, and it also was like that Doctor Strange multi-arm kind of thing, but it was all zombie ghoul things. That whole thing about those screaming demons felt very kind of evil dead and horrible little monsters screaming at you. Again, that's everything that's in Sam Raimi's head all the time.
Starting point is 01:12:47 Exactly. And I guess my last thought is like if all dreams are real and you have a dream about Star Wars, does that mean the Star Wars dimension exists? No, that's just an alternate universe in which you're playing Star Wars. Okay. Yeah. I'm playing it.
Starting point is 01:13:04 You've got all the action figures. Okay, okay, that's the universe that's the universe you wish you lived in which is where you collected all the star wars toys oh man and you're alone but you have all the toys those are the entire universe has collapsed into itself and it's just maybe like yeah but it also would mean that like so the toby mcguire universe is real we know that yes and he mentions and there's the mention of superman in that universe so does that mean superman exists in the marvel universe in another dimension maybe probably i guess unless it's just i know it, it's probably just there are Superman comics in the rainy Spider-Man universe. It's probably just Superman comics.
Starting point is 01:13:50 Okay, Mason. Yeah, that's right. I've ruined it. I've ruined your fun. Fine, I guess. Yeah. But mark my words, as soon as these companies start running out of money, they're going to merge universes.
Starting point is 01:13:59 Maybe not even. Maybe they'll just do it anyway. And that's fun, isn't it? It is fun. Yeah. Do you have any more thoughts about this movie? Well, we can do the post-credits. So Charlie Theron shows up.
Starting point is 01:14:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Pretty good. Oh, yeah. Oh, here's the thought. Yes. This was not in the post-credits or, in fact, anywhere, but in the comic books there's a spell in the Darkhold
Starting point is 01:14:22 that destroyed all the vampires. Oh, yeah. And when, and if the spell is destroyed, all the vampires come back. Yeah. Or if the spell is reversed. Yeah. And I think if you destroy the Darkhold, it reverses all the spells that are cast. Or like the weird
Starting point is 01:14:39 kind of, like Waller was written on. Yes, exactly. And all the vampires come back. So I think the destruction, if they, because we are getting a Blade movie, I think they're probably going to be like, the reason there were no vampires for a while is because the Darkhold was. But then that book fell over. And the book fell over. And then now all the vampires are coming back.
Starting point is 01:14:57 Because of the other book. There was a second book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now the, anyway, that's my theory. That's interesting. Which is, you know, like a lot of these phase theories is like. Who knows what sticks. Like maybe it might be true now, but if somebody gets a better idea,
Starting point is 01:15:10 they might rewrite it into something else. Or it might not be true now and somebody's like, hey, remember the thing with the Darkhold and the vampires, whatever, let's write it in, whatever. What do you think happened to Wanda? The thing just fell on her and she went, oh, no, and then it was over. She was sad and the building collapsed on her. She's going to lie there for a bit until they meet her?
Starting point is 01:15:27 Yeah, I reckon she's probably going to lie there for a bit. Yeah. She'll probably be a statue. Okay. Yeah, yeah. When they return to that bit. And see what's up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:35 Good stuff. Do we talk about where this phase is going, maybe? Or what the various artifacts are? I think this is what I want to talk about the post-credits. So Clea, as Charlize Theron turns up, and she's like, Doctor Strange, you really did a big multiverse, and now you need to help me. I do think that that, and I think Clea had something to do
Starting point is 01:15:53 with the Secret Wars, right? The most recent one. No, no, one of them. I don't know. Maybe the first one. I can't remember. One of them. I don't think it was the first one.
Starting point is 01:16:00 Okay. Maybe I'm wrong. So what's Secret Wars? Well, the original Secret Wars was an alien being called the beyonder yep just grabbed a bunch of heroes and villains uh from from the marvel universe and took them to a planet called battle world and made them fight yep like other stuff and each other and what have you uh but it was basically a it was a um it was a big exercise in like selling toys yeah okay ultimately it was it was just uh it was a big exercise in like selling toys. Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 01:16:26 That's what ultimately it was. It was just a very, it was just a way to strip away all the nonsense from all the, like, it was a way to strip away all the personal details from all the heroes and just have them as like action figures fighting each other in an empty world, really. Okay, yeah, well, we have read that. We also covered that for Big Sandwich. And then there was the second one,
Starting point is 01:16:49 which I think had the Beyonder coming to Earth, and then there was a modern day one. Like a 2015 one. Yeah. Which I think had a bunch of multiversal people. Yeah. It was various characters from alternate versions of various characters from the Marvel comic book
Starting point is 01:17:05 multiverse all together on one world fighting. Anyways, that's what I think they're doing. Interesting. Yeah, I think that's when we're going to get a million cameos. Yeah, right. What do you think, though? Great question. More music fights?
Starting point is 01:17:15 Yeah, more music fights. I don't know. I'm wondering, like, because we do have some more artifacts. Do we have an artifact in this? Not really. I mean, a couple of books. There are a couple of books. Yeah. I can't think we had – do we have an artifact in this? Not really. I mean, a couple of books. There were a couple of books. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:27 I can't remember books, really. Books. Yeah, yeah. But we had the Ten Rings, obviously, from Shang-Chi. That's true, yeah. And Ms. Marvel's powers seem to be coming from some sort of bracelet kind of device. Yeah. I'm wondering if –
Starting point is 01:17:38 Those are connected. Those are connected. Are they Kree things or something? Maybe. Actually, no, Captain Marvel said that the Ten Rings aren't Kree. Yeah. Didn't she? Because she's in her post-credits. Yeah. And she's like, I've got? Maybe. Actually, no, Captain Marvel said that the Ten Rings aren't Kree. Yeah. Didn't she?
Starting point is 01:17:46 Because she's in her post-credits. Yeah. And she's like, I've got that haircut. Yeah, nice. All right, anyway, we're still talking post-credits. Yeah. So what do you think about Charlize Theron being like, hello, I'm here and I'm going to be your new girlfriend in a bit and then if in a movie or two.
Starting point is 01:17:58 Yeah. Great. You know what I mean? Yep, fun. She's from the Dark Dimension. I did a video on it. But, yeah, it didn't feel like a super exciting kind of like post-credits to me. There's also the Bruce Campbell one after, of course.
Starting point is 01:18:10 But you made a good point about. Oh, this sounds like me. It's very Sam Raimi where. So the last scene of the film is the third eye opens on his head, which the evil Doctor Strange had. And he's like, ah, ah. And then there's post-credits and he's just like, it's fine. Yeah, life's fine. I've gotten used to this, I guess. I don'tredits and he's just like, it's fine. Yeah, life's fine.
Starting point is 01:18:25 I've gotten used to this, I guess. I don't know. I don't know, it was just fun. Yeah, yeah. Would you like to see Sam Raimi do another one of these? Because I would. Yeah, for sure. I think I've seen some people, like, think that these movies
Starting point is 01:18:36 have kind of grown beyond what Sam Raimi does, but I didn't think that at all. I thought he was a great choice for this. Yeah. Especially considering that they lost a director and they got him to do it. I mean, you know, time will tell, but I'm wondering what the critical consensus on this will be in six months.
Starting point is 01:18:51 I think it will be largely positive. Okay, then. There you go. What is it on a Rotten Tomato? It's on a 75%. Cinema score, it's like a B+, which is quite low for Marvel. It's low, isn't it? Because they love everything.
Starting point is 01:19:03 For Marvel movies, it's all A+, all the time. The only thing lower, it's on par with something, but the only thing lower is Eternals, which is a B. Okay, fair enough. Well, this has got an 87% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, but you know who votes on Rotten Tomatoes in the audience score? Actual tomatoes? Psychopaths, Mason.
Starting point is 01:19:20 Oh, no. No, if you do that, we appreciate your discourse. Like, this is normal, doing this. Right. Me judging others for rating a movie. Ridiculous. Speaking of, though, I've got some tweets here from people who have written in. This is from Molotov Shrimp Cocktail who says,
Starting point is 01:19:35 Hashtag Weekly Planet Pod. Just finished Professor Weird and the cameos of Calamity. Uh-oh. Gotta say that that was the most Sam Raimi film I've ever seen, and I'm not bothered. Interested to see where they go with this. Best movie ever. Kudos to Elfman and Raimi making literal magic.
Starting point is 01:19:49 Oh, yeah, we forgot to mention, but Danny Elfman, of course, does the score in this. That's cool. Eli says, I've seen a lot of people complaining about the cameos in Doctor Strange 2, even Stranger, but I was very relieved that it wasn't wall-to-wall with cameos and fan casting. It would have felt like a clip show. And Strangers in a Strange Land says,
Starting point is 01:20:08 Saw Doctor Strange, spoilers, was kind of peasy that they introduced so many great characters and then immediately killed them all. Anyways, best movie ever. I love that. The Average Pixel says, spoilers, saw Doctor Strange 2, mixed bag. Some nice reveals such as who was in the Illuminati, saw me strange was fun. However, poor pacing and very cliché moments.
Starting point is 01:20:28 Believe in yourself and your powers work. Yeah, that's a fair point, I guess. Some of the dialogue was a little clunky. I'll certainly give it that. And also guitar screeching when Third Eye opens. Just a movie. I liked the guitar screeching. I thought that was good.
Starting point is 01:20:38 And Roderick Henry said, haven't seen Madness yet, but I heard it was good. Heard it was good. Yeah. Well. There you go. Get out there if you haven't seen itness yet, but I heard it was good. Heard it was good. Yeah. Well. There you go. Get out there if you haven't seen it. Get out there.
Starting point is 01:20:49 But, yeah. If you don't have any thoughts, leave them wherever you want. And we'll move on to the next segment of the show, won't we? Write them on a toilet wall. Yeah. Yeah. What is the next segment of the show? I can never remember.
Starting point is 01:21:01 And it's not me padding for time while I find the things. You know what we've never had? We've never had anybody write like on a bathroom wall, for a good time, download the Weekly Planet podcast. Wherever you find podcasts. Yeah. That'd be great. Don't get caught though.
Starting point is 01:21:18 All right, ready? Do you know what it's time for? Oh, it's time for what we're reading. Yep. And then what we're going to read. It is. I'm doing the thing. What are we reading? It's not for what we're reading. Yep. And then what we're going to read. It is. I'm doing the thing. Just to quickly talk a little bit more about Doctor Strange,
Starting point is 01:21:33 and this is not really a spoiler. Okay. I think in the way that they built to. Sounds emotional, though. You're getting emotional. My throat. I think in the way that, like, I think they were kind of figuring out a bit as they went, at least initially in the first phases
Starting point is 01:21:47 of the Marvel movies, I think they have a bigger idea of what they're going to do and we don't know what it is yet. And I think there are little kind of deviations they can make along the way, but I think they already know what the end point is of this. Yeah, right, right, right. And I think it's just not entirely clear what that looks like at this point.
Starting point is 01:22:04 It's just them rolling around in piles of cash. Yeah. Who's this it's just not entirely clear what that looks like at this point. It's just them rolling around in piles of cash. Yeah. Who's this? It's dog time, everyone. Hello. Hello. All right. Dog time's over, everyone.
Starting point is 01:22:14 Pack it in. I'm doing a thing. Westworld? Whoa. Wow. We're back. And not only... Yeah. we didn't stop for you. Don't worry about it.
Starting point is 01:22:28 Don't worry about it. Mason. Yes. What are you reading this week? This is the same one we talk about. Yeah. I watched one episode of each of the two following shows. Go on.
Starting point is 01:22:36 One, The Offer, which is on Paramount Plus. The Offer? What's been on for? No, no, no, no, no, no. American or US? You're deliberately misreading me. Or like there's weird European ones or whatever. It's called The Offer. Office, yes. No, James, no, no, no. What's you're deliberately mishearing me. Or like there's weird European ones or whatever. It's called The Offer.
Starting point is 01:22:45 Office, yes. No, James, no, no, no. What's The Offer about? This is futile, James. No, it's The Office. Oh, yeah. No, what were you saying? The Offer is about the production of The Godfather.
Starting point is 01:22:56 Oh, yeah. It is a docudrama about getting The Godfather made, you know, an adaptation. It is a big-time body cast. Yes, yes, yes. Miles Teller is in it, Matthew Goode, Giovanni Ribisi, Colin Hanks is in it, et cetera, et cetera. There's a lot of subplots going on for this first episode.
Starting point is 01:23:16 I'm like, oh, there's so much. Too many? I need to re-watch The Godfather, a movie I watched 20-plus years ago, and then its sequel, Godfather 2, a movie I've never seen. Whoa. Yeah. So it's good? I don't know yet.
Starting point is 01:23:28 I mean, there's a lot of subplots and that has me very intrigued. Yeah, right. What's another thing that you're watching? I'm watching an episode of Chapelweight. What's Chapelweight? Chapelweight is a- The Office. Sorry, go on.
Starting point is 01:23:41 James. James. It's a new adaptation of Satan's Last. Oh, the author, 45% Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I'm going to commit to it. There's four episodes out on Paramount Plus right now, and I'm like, boy, what is this?
Starting point is 01:23:55 Good cast. Great cast. Incredible. Good cast, Mason. And executive produced by Dexter Fletcher. I like Dexter Fletcher. Once again, a lot of stuff going on. I'll also. Big audience score, though. I like Dexter Fletcher. Once again, a lot of stuff going on. I'll also.
Starting point is 01:24:05 Big audience score though. I've just noticed this actually. Miles Teller's character is Albert Ruddy, who was like a producer from that era. He's like the main guy. Having a Ruddy good time. Executive producer on this show, Albert Ruddy. Wow.
Starting point is 01:24:18 So you always, yeah, I don't know. I've immediately lost faith. Is this interesting enough to be a movie, a series? I don't know. I don't know yet. I don't know. I've immediately lost faith. Is this interesting enough to be a movie, this series? I don't know. I don't know yet. I don't know. Are there like, is anyone ever like, I've got a great book. Did anyone say that?
Starting point is 01:24:33 I've got this great book and we want to make it into a movie. Who plays the author? Oh, Mario Puzo. Yeah. It's bloody, hang on. I'll tell you. It's bloody Patrick Gallo. Okay.
Starting point is 01:24:43 Yeah. What do you think about that? I don't think anything about it. No, you think about him. Well, I will now, certainly, Mason. He's one of the guys in The Irishman. Okay, so you've watched two shows. Anyway, Chapel, yeah, I watched two episodes.
Starting point is 01:24:58 One episode each. Chapel Wait's got Adrian Brody in it. It's Salem's Lot again. Oh, okay. Is it good? Yeah, I liked it. What's that on? What's it called? It's on Stan. Chapel's Mates. Yeah, Chapel's Mates. What's it called? Chapel's Vampires. What is it? Chapel Wait. Slick up Adrian Brody. You look him up. Okay, I will.
Starting point is 01:25:14 You tell me what you think of him. Oh, he's handsome. 63% Rotten Tomatoes. I liked it. This is not how you should assess series, by the way. With one episode and then look up the Rotten Tomatoes score. No, it's a bad idea. I think I'm going to commit to Chapelweight, though, just because. Did you watch the Netflix thing?
Starting point is 01:25:32 What Netflix thing? Oh, The Office? Oh, you don't. I think that's gone off the Netflix. It is, not it? Is it here? I don't know. We've got Superstore at the moment here.
Starting point is 01:25:41 No, the Netflix vampire one. Midnight Mass. Yeah. Yes, I liked it. It was very good. All right. You and I watched Strange New Worlds, the new Star Trek series. So it's Christopher Pike, Anson Mount.
Starting point is 01:25:54 And he manages a paper company, is that correct? That's correct, yeah. This is the American version of Strange New Worlds. The British version's a bit sadder. The Enterprise, the walls are very beige. That's right. But it's getting a lot of praise and I think it's
Starting point is 01:26:14 justified. It does feel like an update to original Trek where the first episode at least, they go to a strange new world and there's a weird little conflict they have to deal with and they have to deal with the diplomacy and not's like a weird little conflict they have to deal with and they have to like deal with the diplomacy and like not having themselves seen and you know but often they'll just be like oh fuck it this is what we're aliens you know and like he's really good as like um the captain and he also knows that he's gonna get all burnt up and put in a chair at some point
Starting point is 01:26:41 like he knows that's coming off the back of Discovery. Yeah, yeah, right, right. So, yeah, I really liked it. Very good. As someone who's watched nine episodes of the new series of Picard and just might not watch the last episode, or I might, I don't know. I don't even hate it. Oh, you're nine out of ten on that show. Nine out of ten, mate. That's a nine out of ten.
Starting point is 01:26:58 Well, I looked at Rotten Tomatoes and that's when I knew to stop. No, I haven't looked at it. I'm not like, I don't care enough about Star Trek to be like, this is the worst. What an absolute treachery. What have they done to Picard? I'm like, I don't care. I don't care at all.
Starting point is 01:27:13 Really? You know? But I have other opinions about other things. I mean, not firm opinions. No, that's true also. I'm pretty lax on a bunch of stuff. Yeah. Anything else, Mason?
Starting point is 01:27:23 Or should we just move to the next segment of the show? No, I've been pretty busy this week. I bet you have. I've watched Doctor Strange. Yeah, I bet you have, mate. I bet your body's been busy. Oh, shout out and thank you to all the nice people we met there. We met a bunch of listeners at the Doctor Strange premiere.
Starting point is 01:27:36 That was fun. I met people on the way out. I met people on the way in. Whoa. It was really nice, yeah. I met people during. You know, the guy who was standing up and I was like, pleased to meet you during the screening
Starting point is 01:27:46 that was me and then I sat down and I'm like can you believe that guy James can you believe that guy but it was me every time I met a lovely couple who I assume they were a couple, maybe they weren't who were like who came up to me afterwards and said
Starting point is 01:28:02 that we got them through lockdown which I really appreciated because we were dying. That was brutal. We're glad that some people got joy. We brought some joy to at least two people in that time period. We'll take it. That was really cool to hear. Anyways, Mason, what is next?
Starting point is 01:28:19 They subscribed to Big Sandwich? I don't know, to be honest. But you know what? I'll take compliments and then you don't have to subscribe. I won't push anything on you. You know what I mean? Biggest compliment gets a free month at Big Sandwich? I don't know, to be honest. But you know what? I'll take compliments and then you don't have to subscribe. I won't push anything on you. Wow. You know what I mean? Biggest compliment gets a free month at Big Sandwich?
Starting point is 01:28:30 No. Yeah. All right, sure. Why not? God. How awful. What an awful man I would be to be like, to accept that. But I accept.
Starting point is 01:28:42 Wow. What's next, Mason? The next segment is the letters segment. Wow. And there's a theme to the letters segment. I hope so. If I click this button, but I accept. Wow. What's next, Jason? The next segment is the letters segment. Wow. And there's a theme to the letters segment. I hope so. If I click this button, you get to hear it. Yep.
Starting point is 01:28:50 I think. The classic one was, The letters, oh letters, we love you. Some letters, they're only a day away. We're going to hear it right now. We're going to do letters. Now, James. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:04 I play that off YouTube, obviously. I know that. And then underneath it suggests me many things. And one, in this instance, it has suggested our Inhumans video. So that's a bit of fun, isn't it? That's good to see that back in the universe. I actually just saw a tweet and I lost it immediately. But it was something like Sam Raimi asked the question,
Starting point is 01:29:23 what if the third act of a Marvel movie was actually good? And it's got like 16,000 likes. Whoa. Here's an email from Nate. Well, if you do want to reach the show, email the show, weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com, send through your compliments, or hashtag weeklyplanetpod at twitter.com, send through your compliments.
Starting point is 01:29:38 Wow. Go for it. Wow. Nate says, I got Kevin Smith to say month beers. Oh, okay. Hey, mates, on last week's episode of Fat Man Beyond, Kevin Smith said the infamous words, it's monthbius, and I would like to claim responsibility.
Starting point is 01:29:52 I make the artwork for the podcast, and when I sent Kevin the Morbius-themed art for this week, I told him that monthbius is not over. I must have Morb-cepted him because he later dropped the line on the podcast and the rest is history. That's really good stuff. There you go. I hope you guys got a kick out of hearing Kevin Smith say it's a month,
Starting point is 01:30:08 Biers. Oh, we did. From Nate. I mean, he was late because I'd already declared month Biers over at that point. Yeah, it's unfortunate for him. So if you could just email him again and tell him that month Biers is officially cancelled. Not just over, cancelled.
Starting point is 01:30:19 And he's cancelled and he's fired. Yes, that's right. Tell him that. And tell him if you could wear fulllength pants for once in your goddamn life, Kevin Smith, if you wouldn't mind. What would you want those pants to look like in your mind? Oh, jeans, jeans. Regular jeans.
Starting point is 01:30:34 Yeah, but like wide and maybe like a little bit short. Just jean shorts if he could. Just continue wearing his jean shorts. You talked yourself back around. I did, yeah. I just couldn't picture him in regular length pants. Well, that's what I was thinking. What do you want him to look like?
Starting point is 01:30:49 And I couldn't figure out what that would be. I guess the answer is, yeah, just tell him, keep wearing those jean shorts, bro. Yeah, cool, man. Good stuff. I've got a tweet here from Thomas who says, hey, hashtag weekly planet pod, here's a letter. G'day, you cheeky weekly boys.
Starting point is 01:31:07 And what do you think this first half of Phase 4, Thor 4 is halfway through this phase, would look like without COVID interrupting? They had to shuffle a lot of release dates around, do not dismay. And it sounds like Kevin had plans for a lot more interaction between these series and films, especially for Loki, Multiverse of Madness, WandaVision, and No Way Home. I think that is probably true.
Starting point is 01:31:31 I can think of one, for example, there was some America Chavez concept art where she was going to be the one introducing the multiverse in No Way Home. Ah, I see. And through their various reshirts and reshirts? Reshoots and shufflings about. I can't remember why, but they ended up changing it to what they ended up doing in that movie.
Starting point is 01:31:49 But, yeah, it does feel like there were some other things that they were supposed to film that they haven't. I know Kingo, they wanted to get him for Moon Knight. Oh, yeah, that's right. I don't know whether, I don't think that was necessarily a. Yeah, they tried to make that happen, though, but it was scheduling. Speaking of all the Moon Knight, all the Moon Knight recaps are done. We did it.
Starting point is 01:32:05 Uh-oh. Collings just finished up the last one for Episode 6. That's on our YouTube channel if you want to check it out. But, yeah, what do you think? Do you think it would be a more like – Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess it's a – I mean, it's certainly like a fine line to tread in the sense of like maybe when Endgame
Starting point is 01:32:25 finally hit they were like, can this work again? Are people going to? Yeah. Because I think a lot of – I saw a lot of sentiment on the internet. It was like I loved everything up to Endgame but I am exhausted now from watching so many movies. I'm sure the feedback has gotten to them and they're like, look, if we tie everything together.
Starting point is 01:32:45 People hate that. And if you want to see Kingo, your favourite character, you've got to watch Moon Knight and so on and so forth. I wonder if people, I wonder if they're like, let's loosen it up a little bit. I mean, it seems to be working to some extent considering the opening of Doctor Strange, you know. But, yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:33:01 What's next, Mason? This is an email from John. John? Who says, I got stuck in an elevator at work and it's Nick Mason's fault. I knew it. Yeah, I pushed him in. Yeah, good. Crow barred the door.
Starting point is 01:33:11 John says, I work at the library at my college and I was bringing a cart of books down to the first floor the other day while listening to the new episode of the podcast. Mason was talking about El Muerto, the movie that will not actually be made. Yes. When the elevator just stopped in between the second and third floor. I spent the next 40 minutes waiting for maintenance to send someone over using the podcast to distract me from the weird situation. About halfway through, I got a call from maintenance,
Starting point is 01:33:33 and the guy told me not to worry about it and then had me out of there before the end of the week. Wow, that's great. It's good, right? So he's out? I mean, he's taken a photo of himself in the elevator, so I can only presume he's still in the elevator. It doesn't say he got out.
Starting point is 01:33:47 At least he's got phone reception. Yeah. Do you reckon there's a Wi-Fi in that elevator? Do you reckon there's a phone charging port? Do you reckon he's got a charger with him? Probably not. At least he's got a bunch of books to read. Always keep the charger with you.
Starting point is 01:33:59 Also, a bit of an issue, no smoking in that elevator. Oh, God. Because, I mean, that's the perfect place to start up. I'd immediately want to start smoking. You see that sign, you're like, oh, my God. no smoking in that elevator. Oh, God. Because, I mean, that's the perfect place to start up. I'd immediately want to start smoking. You see that sign, you're like, oh, my God. Stuck in this elevator. I just want to fill this room up with cigarette smoke. You know?
Starting point is 01:34:13 Yeah. Yeah, that's a very gold elevator as well. So gold, wasn't it? Why is that so gold? Because it's a bloody, bloody, those institutes of higher learning, you know what I think? That's true. Getting all those grants and funneling it into a golden elevator.
Starting point is 01:34:24 That sounds about right. Everybody's always doing their gender studies, and that upsets me, I think I mean? That's true. And all those grants and funneling it into a golden elevator. That sounds about right. Everybody's always doing their gender studies and that upsets me, I think, Mason. That's right. You know that thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's always like education. You mean gender studies?
Starting point is 01:34:33 Yes, the only education that there is now, gender studies. Fucking hell. Anyways, Mason. Yes. Hashtag weekly planet pod also from Ninja Dude who says, as a father, what do you think about dads wearing fanny packs or bum bags, cool or uncool? I think any kind of utility that gets you through the day is okay,
Starting point is 01:34:52 especially as a father. But I think as a fashion accessory, it can work. Well, young people do it across the chest now. That's cool. They've given it a different name now that I cannot recall. It's just a bum bag. Yeah. They put it across.
Starting point is 01:35:08 Well, I have a bag kind of like that kind of thing. Remember you saw it the other day? Yeah. And then when I took it off, you were like, were you wearing that the whole time? And I was like, yes, I'm amazing. And I was. It's incredible. I agree.
Starting point is 01:35:18 Yeah. So whatever it takes, basically. You got anything else? This is from Julian. Okay, Julian. I'm Julian. Atlanta does not have any Vikings. No, I couldn't know. Hello, james and mace i was listening to episode 431 of the podcast couldn't help but be bothered by the misconception that outlander has vikings in it as my mom is the number one
Starting point is 01:35:34 outlander fan in the world she has read all the books and watches every new episode as they air weekly so to clear up the confusion outlander does not have any vikings but then again i have not watched the show myself and maybe one appears in an episode or two. Interesting. Yeah. Makes you think about the future of cinema. Doesn't it though? Yes.
Starting point is 01:35:50 Right? We still don't know what it is about, the show Outlander. That's Vikings, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Vikings in time. Time-travelling Vikings. Time-travelling Vikings.
Starting point is 01:35:59 I just saw a tweet here from Tom Holland Updates. Whoa. It says, six years ago, this is from May 7th though, six years ago we got our first look at Tom Holland as a new Spider-Man. That was six years ago. My God. Man, six years ago.
Starting point is 01:36:11 That means in that time somebody has gone through the entirety of high school. They were 12 and then they were 18. Imagine being an age and then a different age. Can you imagine? No. That's good stuff. I've always been the age that I am now.
Starting point is 01:36:22 What's that like? Youthful. Very, very good. Good and youthful. I've got a note here that I am now. What's that like? Youthful. Very, very good. Good and youthful. I've got a note here that just says wedding spoons. Do I have to do this? What? Up top.
Starting point is 01:36:31 There was a wedding spoon. Oh, yeah. I mean, you could have just gone. I mean, somebody would have called you on it, not me. Somebody would have called me on it. Wow. All right. Oh, here's an email from Cheetah Lookup.
Starting point is 01:36:41 And then I'll do wedding spoons? Found your partner on here. James, you might want to check this out. Is your partner being faithful? A simple search can unveil the truth. Oh, really? Put your phone number on this site and find out. So I give them my phone number?
Starting point is 01:36:52 Yep. And then they find out whether my partner is. No, enter their phone number. Oh. Yeah. P.S. This site uses deep web tech, and the results can be very surprising. Be prepared. Okay.
Starting point is 01:37:02 Yeah. Send that to me. To stop receiving messages, please visit here or mail your request. Do they have an address? There's an address. It's a PO box in New York City, baby. Wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:12 Very good. Incredible. Wow. Well, that's good to know. We didn't even mention there's a new still of Thor and Lady Thor. Oh, that's true. That was just released today, I think. They're looking great.
Starting point is 01:37:22 She looks taller. Than Chris Hemsworth? That's not true. No, taller than she normally is. I think you're looking at it askew. You're looking at aske think. They're looking great. She looks taller. Than Chris Hemsworth? That's not true. No, taller than she normally is. I think you're looking at it askew. You're looking at it askew. You askew. Jorts.
Starting point is 01:37:31 Yeah, no, it looks good, right? I agree. Yeah. What a pairing. Yeah. Do you reckon they're going to get back together? There'll be love in the air. Yes.
Starting point is 01:37:38 Hammers will collide? Correct, yes. Very good. Anyway, wedding spoons, Mason. Okay, all right. Okay, so the joke that you told, right? I'm listening. And it was also a joke over, like. Very good. Anyway, wedding spoons, Mason. Okay, all right. Okay, so the joke that you told, right? I'm listening. And it was also a joke over like many minutes.
Starting point is 01:37:49 Wait, I wasn't entirely listening, but now I am. I've put my phone down. So when I said earlier I was listening, I wasn't listening, but I am listening now. So he's like, here's the thing at the wait. I'm going to check my phone, though. That's fine. He's like, here's the thing about the wait staff at this reception center, right?
Starting point is 01:38:00 They're really efficient. Okay. There's something like this. And so there was a moment where like a spoon fell on the floor and then straightaway waitstaff came in and they're like, here's an extra spoon and they put it on the table. And straightaway obviously I'm like, this is not a true story, but okay, let's see where this goes, right?
Starting point is 01:38:16 Anyway. I think I've heard the setup to this, but I would love to hear where it goes. Right. So then he's like, what do you have a spoon? And they're like, well, it's sufficient. So basically if anybody drops in, you know, it's good to be prepared for all the situations. And then later went up to the bar and the person had a piece of string
Starting point is 01:38:31 coming out of their fly. They're like, what's with the string in the fly or whatever? And the person was like, well, you know, this is for efficiency. So when I go to the bathroom and I want to, you know. Doesn't have to wash his hands. Well, no, that and you can get it out quicker. Okay. Which is like, you know, as opposed to we're taking 10 to 15 seconds,
Starting point is 01:38:49 you can just pull the string. Okay. Like 10 to 15 seconds. I'm like, your numbers are way off, but all right. Yeah. And then he's like, oh, and he's like, well, how do you put it back in or whatever quickly? And he goes, oh, that's what we use the spoon for.
Starting point is 01:39:03 Yes. But I'm also like, what do you mean? Like you get the spoon. Why would that be quicker? I mean, the hygiene thing makes sense, right? Because then you don't have to wash your hands. But he didn't specify it was hygiene related. Do you see what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:39:15 Yes. So it's just people using a string and a spoon to go to the bathroom for time purposes. I think it's a good joke. Is it? No. Okay, good. Was that worth me bringing up here? Yeah, I loved it. Oh, I have a good joke. Is it? No. Okay, good. Was that worth me bringing up here? Yeah, I loved it.
Starting point is 01:39:27 Oh, I have heard that joke before now that I... Was it told like that? More or less. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, if you've got any jokes... How many more ways could that joke be told? Well, the hygiene thing makes more sense.
Starting point is 01:39:37 Right. There should have been an emphasis on the hygiene, and there wasn't. Yeah. Anyway, tough geek, man. Wedding reception. I mean, and you booed him. And I booed... I had to. I don't get it. I mean, I get. Wedding reception. And you booed him. And I booed. I had to.
Starting point is 01:39:45 I don't get it. I mean, I get it, but I don't get it, you know? So what are you, spooning your dick back into your pants? That's what I mean. Yeah. Anyways, Mason, it's the end of the show. It is absolutely the end of the show. Thank you so much, folks, for listening to whatever this is.
Starting point is 01:40:02 15 seconds to 15 seconds. Yeah. What are you doing rummaging around in there? Does it make any sense? Sorry, go on. It's probably because the string is in there, so it's probably like untangling some headphones. I mean, that's worse.
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Starting point is 01:40:47 child's birthday party. They showed up and edited a podcast. I asked if they knew any tricks and the Australian one kicked me kicked my shin. The podcast was pretty good too. That's just in-app. Can you believe that? Incredible. And this one's from The Doctor144155166, who says,
Starting point is 01:41:04 bananas. This podcast is absolutely bananas. Like the fruit. My goodness, I want a banana. And you should get one. That's good. You a banana fan? Yeah. Me too.
Starting point is 01:41:12 Yeah, oh, my God. What a delightful fruit. I mean, you have to plan in advance, obviously. Having a banana. You need a couple of days. That's true. Because you're going to buy me. Speaking of which, I've got to put a banana in the freezer
Starting point is 01:41:21 for my smoothie tomorrow, Mason. Thank you for reminding me. You're very welcome. Oh, you know what? I have been reading. What have you been? I'm going to put a banana in the freezer for my smoothie tomorrow, Mason. Thank you for reminding me. You're very welcome. Oh, you know what? I have been reading. What have you been? I'm going to add this in anyway. Okay.
Starting point is 01:41:28 I know we're outside of the segment, what we're going to read. It's fine, Mason. But if people want to subscribe to this, there's a newsletter called Dracula Daily, which I mentioned to you a while back. Oh, you did? Which is for people who haven't read the original Bram Stoker's Dracula. Yeah. It is, of course, a series of, like, journal entries
Starting point is 01:41:45 and, like, newspaper clippings and all this sort of stuff that sort of builds a story. It's based on The Office. Yeah, it's based on The Office, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they span from, like, May to November, I think. Ooh. And so you can subscribe to this service called Dracula Daily,
Starting point is 01:42:02 and whenever there is an entry, you don't get it every day, despite the name. It's full of lies. But whenever there is an entry on a particular day, you get emailed the journal or the what have you. Today, Jonathan Harker's journal. Jonathan learns that shaving can get dicey. Oh, I've seen that in the movie. He does it and Dracula's like, give me that.
Starting point is 01:42:21 Give me the blood on your bloody neck. Anyway, people should subscribe to that if you want to get a little dose of Dracula. I do want to get a little dose of Dracula. Anyway, folks. That sounds cool. Maybe I'll just read the book. I mean, good luck finding a copy of that. That's true.
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Starting point is 01:43:49 Wow. Dark Man, Doctor Strange. We've got it all covered. Dark Universe. Yeah. What are we going to do next for a movie commentary? Well, I think we said at the end we'll do something real, just a real normie thing.
Starting point is 01:44:01 Spider-Man? A Spider-Man? Star Wars. Haven't we done every Star Wars? Yeah, we've done all the Star Wars, yeah. Star Wars. Spider-Man, I guess we could do a Spider-Man. What's something normal? What's something a normal person would watch?
Starting point is 01:44:11 I think our gauge for normal broke a long time ago. Tell us what's something normal, guys. What's a normal thing? What's something your dad watches? No, not that, no. Something your folks watches, you know what I mean? Outlander. Outlander, yeah.
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Starting point is 01:44:36 Yeah. Oh, yeah. But also, sometimes I lose track, especially when it's late. What people don't know about us is that one of us has a brain that only works after a certain time of day. Yep. And one of us has a brain that only works before a certain time of day. That's right. So if we find ourselves in the sweet spot.
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Starting point is 01:45:14 Why wouldn't you? Get trapped in an elevator wearing a Weekly Planet T-shirt. Absolutely. Why wouldn't you? Anyway, that's the whole show next week. Next week, what's out? I don't know. Is it Top Gun yet?
Starting point is 01:45:26 I don't know. Something's out. What's out, Mason? Let me check the website of Movie. Let me go to Movie.net. Okay, check Movie.net. Are you actually going to go to Movie.net? No, I'm going to go to Movie.net and see what comes up.
Starting point is 01:45:37 I wouldn't if I were you. No, I'm going to do it. No, no, you don't want to go there. I own it. I did something terrible there. No, I didn't. Okay, Doctor Strange 2. No, we've got a week break and then League of Super Pets
Starting point is 01:45:50 and then Top Gun. So we've got a bit of a window there to do some other stuff. If you go to movie.net, first of all, the connection's not secure, so watch out there. But you've got three links you can click on, Best Online, Online, or Free Video. Best online. Yep. Online. Wow. Or free video meetings online. Oh, free.
Starting point is 01:46:07 Imagine if you're out there, Ben. Imagine at this point you're like, God, I just – my business just needs some free video meeting software, but where can I find it? Well, guess what? You can find it on movie.net. That's right. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:20 All right, everybody. I'm just going to check movie.net.au. Please. No one's got that, surely. No, somebody would have, actually. It's probably someone we know. Probably. There's somebody making it big in the world of online.
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